The Deep 3 Podcast - 3 Things We Learned From Every NBA Team's First Game | Ep. 60

Episode Date: October 26, 2023

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Yeah, man. Let's get straight into it. The cranium is crazy. Oh, my God. I mean, I don't know what to see. So I think the way we're going to do this, some of the bigger games we're going to dive deep into and talk heavily about outside of that once you get past the biggest stories we're going to kind of rapid fire through each game and to you know match the title where each of us

are going to say one thing we learn from that game okay so good reminds you back when i was in middle school we're going to see who's dumb it's kind of like popcorn reading see we see see which one of us has to read with our finger offending some people, some non-readers. Oh, no, for sure. The crayon ears, they're furious right now. My bad, y'all. You're still valuable.

First game we're going to talk about Lakers versus Nuggets. That's, I think, the one that had the most discourse around it for a variety of reasons. Donovan, what did you learn from Lakers versus Nuggets? I learned that Anthony Davis to still Anthony Davis. And that in one game, we were able to see everything. We were able to see great defense. We were able to see a first half of dominance offensively. And we were able to see a second half where he just does absolutely nothing and has everybody

on the internet telling him that he needs to go get his CDL license. Stephen A is telling him that he's a disappointment that he's not worth the money and all that type of stuff. We got the full Anthony Davis experiment in 48 minutes. And so he is who he is. And so my expectations have not changed at all. I know who he is now. Yeah, we're going to dive deep into that.

Mo, what did one thing you learned about the game? One thing that I learned about the game is that Anthony Davis is Anthony Davis and Nicola Yolkich is, I almost want to say he was by far away the best player in that entire court for sure. Easily. But yeah, the Lakers have ways to go. And one thing that I've taken home and I've just like, the ship is sailed officially for me if Anthony Davis is the best player on your team or you want to be the best on your team

your team is just waiting to have a disappointment later in April bro just how it is tough yeah listen we're going to talk plenty about the Lakers negatives and what happened with Anthony Davis but I don't even really want to focus on that what I learned is the nuggets are going to win the fucking championship again they're still the best team in the league and I think the fact that Anthony Davis looks so poor in the second half is a greater testament to the Nuggets defense and Nicole the Oka's defense too and I think this team was just on a string

and rather than him completely choking which no he didn't do a good job the Nuggets just completely shut him down like it was more than being extremely good than it is Anthony Davis being a choker I think yeah I agree they figured them out the Lakers are a really good team one of the higher class teams in NBA

S you're probably a S team whatever range one put them just so that they're good you know but the Denver Nuggets are on another level the type of cylinders that they were clicking on offensively. Offensive they're going to do their thing, but defensively to me, it almost feels like that was even more impressive. Yeah. So I guess we should give people a little bit of context of what happened

where we're alluding to in case they somehow didn't see it. Game started opening night, you know, Lakers played defending champions, Nuggets. There's some animosity in the room because the Nuggets were talking a lot of shit after it ended. And LeBron and A.D., quote-unquote, had conversations about it and didn't like it, whatever that means. And the first half came, AD came out. Looking great, I think. Would you agree, Donovan? in the first half?

Yeah, for sure. He had 17 points in the first half and looked as mobile as he's looked since like 2020. Yeah, he was really agile. I think also another thing that we, like, and we're probably going to get to it, but another thing that I think we all learned is that, you know,

the Slakers team is going to be very different because if LeBron is actually only going to play 29 to 30 minutes a night, like Darwin Ham said after the game, like Mo said, if Anthony Davis is now going to be your number one option offensively, a lot of things change in terms of like how your offense is going to flow and just our like

perception of what that means of having an AD led offense rather than a LeBron led offense you know yeah yeah one thing I noticed was LeBron in the half court was just like deferring keeping the ball moving and he really got his in transition I noticed a lot of times anytime it got a rebound he's pushing that bitch diving straight to the rim knocking everybody out of the way because that's where he can still get a full head of steam and be basically unstoppable but it's hard for him to have that birch consistently takes a lot more effort in the half court so it seems like the goal there is to like let reeves and ad run the half court offense and then lebron easton transition and then obviously at the fourth quarter comes around and he has to be more of a surgeon

in the half court then he'll probably exhort more effort but i agree it's just going to be a different type of team building around him in the half court and i don't know if lebron likes it there's a there's a clip circulating right now he was he walked up to assistant coach fell handy and he was like those he did he walked up to delo too but also he spoke to fill handy and he was like you know I can play point guard right to like I'm just he said that elbow I sort there's a clip out there Nikkii you can pull that up he was like you know I can play point guard too right and there's like clear frustration to what you're alluding to I just like yeah they're trying to give Delo the keys and also let

Austin Rees take that next step we all believe that he's going to be the third option not see this but this does not sit right with LeBron and I just know that there's no way in hell they can continue to play like this that's what I'm saying like no one LeBron I don't know him but seeing how he plays there's just no way in hell AD could be a big man especially that could be the forefront and face of your offense it's not possible this is crazy I did not see this see they were showing it on the screen right now 80's LeBron saying I'm just floating around I can play point two interesting I think a lot of us kind of thought that him being more passive was like probably his choice but it sounds like it's not that that's

interesting it's this is like an in-game load man I mean listen they have three and especially like for the for like the early part in the season if you have Gabe Vincent Delo and in Austin Reeves you have three other guys who can you know in theory create offense kind of run the show a little bit and so like it makes sense why game one of 82 Darwin Ham's coming out and it's like okay we're going to let these other guys like see let's see what they have let's see let's see what we can actually do and yeah you know like how can we steal minutes with LeBron not giving four effort at point guard and stuff like that so i mean listen we're going to have to see what things

look like in in like 10 games 15 games i i don't think that the lakers are going are going to be able to consistently play lebron 29 30 minutes the way that they plan and be at the top of the conference eventually he's going to have to wrap up and it's probably going to be sooner rather than later so i'm saying i have so many thoughts when it comes to the lakers like construction and comparing them compared to their championship roster in 2020. And there's been only two players in NBA history who's been able to average nine, 10 assists per game and win an NBA championship.

Usually when NBA teams do that, that tells you like they're so top heavy and there's some player who's OD ball dominant. You know what I'm saying? And the team lacks ball handlers, playmakers. And those two players are, of course, LeBron James in 2020 and then can anyone guess too late ding ding ding magic Johnson two of the top five players of all time you know what I'm saying and now LeBron doesn't have to play that way

or do those things but at the same time like this is LeBron James he's pushing fucking 40 if he can handle the load give it to him what do you have to lose you know what I'm saying I'd rather lose well do you have a lot to lose though you have a lot to lose if his foot pops in the middle of the season it's it's it's a rap so like I can understand and especially coming off of of last playoff where he was hurt the entire time and they kind of felt like they had a ceiling on them because LeBron was hurt. You probably want to say like we're not going to tank our season

because we're trying to prove something to the nuggets in game one. But at the same time, who's not hurt, who is barely 30 years old, again, Anthony Davis, you're going to have to show up. Let's talk about it. You're going to have to do that, right? If this is the plan, if this is the plan, and I'm pretty sure that they told him,

Anthony Davis before this game that LeBron is probably going to be some type of limited you have to go into this game you have to go into the second half understanding what your role is and how much weight is going to be put on you and you're going to have to you're going to have to score like that's just I know he's not a creator he's obviously like not Joker or M. B when it comes to offense you got to you have to do the same thing you're going to have to score buckets yeah let's talk about Anthony Davis just get into this we've alluded to it 17 points the first half look great really agile he was attacking off the dribble like he used to do as a ball

handler when he was younger past couple years you know he put on weight and there's been a lot of talk about how that wasn't good for him and that kind of turned him into more of a power down low score we saw him go back to what seemed to be in good shape and he's being more agile off the dribble like you know those guard skills he was known for it second half all that shit disappeared and listen the talk is going to be like it always has been ad just isn't that level creator because it's not like you said he's a big man and the talk is always like he doesn't want it bad enough he doesn't care he doesn't got that dog in him all that shit which to some extent you have to you have to get a bucket right he's not the first player to ever

be double team in the second half it's not exclusive to him you have to be able to be good enough to fight that fight away from that and still impact the game when they don't want you to but man the Nuggets just did a great job on defense that's what I'm saying there's only so much someone like AD can do and I think when it comes to the discussion of Anthony Davis and what we all expect him and want him to be us fans will have a lot easier of a time to just accepting the fact that like this young agile agile 80 that we saw back in 2018 2019 type shit hell maybe even 2020 some could say it's gone it's over this man hasn't played over 60 games since like what 28 2018 or something like that or 2020s it's fucking crazy and he's 30 now and someone who's had

so many injuries changed up its complete game play style gained hello weight, it's like this is not the same Matthew Davis and you cannot continue to push those, in my opinion, those type of finish my sentence for me. My mind just went blank. Yeah, those have expectations. I know what you mean. But even outside of that, I think most games will be fine. He's going to average 26 points for game again and be the AD he was last year, who was largely dominant. We agreed it was one of his better scoring seasons. The problem is the Nuggets just fucking own him. They just, Yokic just has his number in every way possible. Obviously, you can't defend Yokich, he makes AD look like a scrub on defense because Yokish is that level offensive

player. You can't stop one-on-one. We don't really fault AD for that. It's Yokch, right? But even on the other end, Yokic is really good at defending Davis because he's so big and a lot of A.D.'s game is just like getting around people using his size. It seems like he low-key kind of struggles with Yokic, who's good at just doing his best, putting his hands up, being big and defending him without fouling. And then you have Aaron Gordon helping on the nails. PCP helping on the nails, is a really smart defender, and Michael Porter Jr., who last night was defending his ass off helping at the rim, the Nuggets are just so good at swarming him and forcing him to pass out double teams, which is never his strength. Yeah. I just think that Yokish might just be his dad.

He probably is. I think for Anthony Davis, the best thing is hoping that they play the sons and that he... Exactly. And that they're able to go up against Nerkich rather than Yokic. Exactly. Well, I mean, here's the thing He even like in the Western Conference finals, AD was up and down

But he did have several games where he had a lot of success Throughout like throughout the entire game So I do think that there There are going to be moments where he is going to be able To assert himself offensively And again, this is, we're talking about one half of basketball Right, exactly We're talking about one half because he still scored 17 in the first

And so obviously like that's a different thing LeBron's playing a little bit different the whole dynamic is there but there are things that Anthony Davis can can do in places that he can put himself to where he can be successful also oh for six like listen he takes a couple shots at the rim like some of those are going to go in he's going to like be better it's just and that's the problem though you said oh for six it's the volume right he just couldn't get shots up that's fair yeah because they're just excellent like look at me I take away from this game lucky defending AD right well But let's see, I'm not going to, I'm not going to.

My takeaway from this game is the Lakers will probably be as good as I expect them to be come playoff time if LeBron gets there. But I also think they have zero fucking chance of being the Nuggets. I think just they have 80s number and that's kind of just what it is. LeBron is not the old LeBron to do it to make up for it. And like, we can switch gears looking to talk about the Nuggets a little bit and how great they were. But yeah, I just think the Lakers have zero chance of being the Nuggets in any series. And the Lakers can make a conference finals if they play the Sons or if they play the Wills. or if they play the Warriors or if they play the Kings

or someone else like that. Yeah. But there's just no chance they're getting past the Nuggets that's currently constructed. Yeah, it's just all, when it comes down to it's going to be about how the standings and all that

fizzles out at the end of the season. But now I agree with you. And it's like I'm thinking about the last time that they did beat the Nuggets. Of course, like the Nuggets are a different team. But having them big ass trees in the paint and just have big bodies, big hands, long, lengthy people just helps, bro.

You know? and also the defense is different too they have someone like the angel Russell who likes to hijack a lot of things so it's like he just looks like a completely different that's a whole other issue too Austin Reese who looks lost on defense and it's just a whole lot to get into

and this team is so different there's so many things like to work through and man the nuggets are just on another level and maybe like this is slightly blown out of proportion but man the Nuggets are just the Nuggets You see 2020 they beat them with size and stuff

That's also before Yokic became back-to-back MVP Like I think I remember I think it was Yokic Yostar Joe Star I saw him make a tweet about it one time Maybe it was a TikTok where he said 2020 Yokic was closer to the current day DeBontas a bonus than he is current day Yokic And I think that's facts

Like they beat Yokish in the bubble Before he actually became the caliber player he is today Where now we're just like He's unguardedable AD is going to be one of the in the running for defense player of the year. Doesn't even matter because he gets pissed on by a player who's unguarded.

That wasn't the case in 2020. And also, they didn't have Aaron Gordon who was just physically dominant in his role. Like the fact that he can play off with two stars and just do all the dirty work while being his level of athletically gifted.

He looks like a monster out there. When he catches these dunks in the dunker spot and goes up with it, I'm just like, how do you compete with the team that has that luxury as like the fourth option? It's crazy. I'd like, obviously,

Like the negatives are great. They, at least from game one, they're not interesting right now because they're just rolling. Like I can, I can already see, I can already see what's going to happen for the next, you know, four or five months. They're just going to roll through everybody. And it's like, listen, obviously the Bruce Brown stuff is probably going to show itself maybe in the playoffs, right? But at the same time, Christian Brown last night played really well. They got a lot of good contributions off the bench. And so for them to pick up like nothing happened, like nothing changed.

it's it's just a testament to them so like yeah they're going to be the number one seat and that's just that's just how it is yeah man I think I'm going to say they're going to win the title I think until proven otherwise they're going to win the title I think that's fair to say like that's not a bad take whatsoever and you're meant to touch on Christian Braun he played great and then on top of that Peyton wants in the most random

not most random may be a play who was a pre came out of the draft like a couple years ago from UCLA didn't get any minutes last year for obvious reasons and he came out he had a big ass block i forget who against who i think it was against delo maybe and then on top of that he also hit a pretty nicely timed three in the second half of the game and so if they can get ounces and glimms from him and christian brawn and whatever reggie jackson's able to produce they're going to be just fine because all of their starting lineup i think every single player hit 20 points so it's like that's crazy yeah yeah or

They're a bus off. They're a bus off. Yeah. And like I said, Donovan, you said earlier, like, it's just one half. Maybe Lakers will be fine. I think that's how a lot of teams are going to feel when they play the Warriors. Fan bases are going to play them early in the season. I mean, the Warriors, the Nuggets.

Fanbases are going to face this team early in the season, watch Jokic eviscerate them and be like, oh my God, are we screwed? Are you not going to be a top five seed? That's just life of playing the best team in the league, I think. Exactly. One thing that I want to touch on to, too, I remember a couple of years ago, before step like won I believe his

maybe it's after he won his unanimous MVP whatever the case may be people are like are like one of the greatest shooters of all time one of the greatest shooters of all time consistently and they didn't want to stamp him as that and I think we're going to be in that we're in that same exact era and phase when we're talking about Nicole Yokic

and his of course greatness and also his passing ability and just how effortless it is and people are saying one of the great big man passes of all time no bitch he is the greatest big man passer of all time let's skip the steps he's that you know so nationally we need to cover that listen people call me a glazer

for saying this early we're gonna reach the point we're gonna say he's having one of the best offensive peaks you've ever seen maybe people need to see another title see another MVP maybe just time has to pass he's in those conversations for me already I don't think we need to wait any time for it yeah for sure yeah man I love it

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Oh, I like that. And he might be the best player on that team, bro. I, okay, well, I'll go next. I think my thing I learned is Devin Booker is certainly the best player on that team and I think I learned that Kevin Duran is old not to overreact to one game but I've been saying it for the past year and a half

he is declined in a way that has been largely ignored because the numbers are still there in the regular season because he hits his mid-range buckets and does Kevin Duran things but man he cannot get to the room at all anymore we've been saying it for a year and a half it just keeps getting worse like he looks old man yeah yeah he's

listen it's it's really crazy because if you can't get to the room like obviously the warriors are still a good defensive team but like without draymond on the floor and without a real rim protector last night was one of those games where if you're kevin right because do you remember a couple months ago when kd was in that that twitter space with low yeah and so they they were asking him about like getting about his decline in terms of in terms of like you know attacking the room scoring at the room and katy was just saying he was like listen like like I can get to the room if I want like I'm just I'm choosing not to do this I'm choosing I don't want to okay right yeah he's like listen if I wanted to get a layup every play like I could

that's just not a big cap because it's just not it's just not happening anymore and I think shout out low man Twitter eviscerated him and was like this is the guy yago arguing with kD because he was in there telling him rim pressures why you're not top five anymore he didn't do a great job of explaining that because it was in the moment lots of people were like fucking yapping at him he was so right and Twitter just cloned him and made fun of the way he looks. He is so vindicated. There was no need for that.

There was no need for like the person was shot. It was so mean. And there's, y'all letting him argue with an NBA player. He was so fucking right, bro. One of the worst narratives that will soon die the second that someone who's capable of getting their thoughts like out to an NBA player and not be frail at the moment is NBA players saying,

yeah, like what do you do? know about basketball you never played in high school you never played in college or any of that bro like that's one of the worst line stigma's ideas that people can ever have just because you don't play something or do something well that means that you have no right to speak on it that's crazy people study to be astronauts they don't go to space until they've already learned everything but they still find a way to learn things you know what i mean like you can learn anything if you put in a time into it and study it acutely enough it's a dumb talking point you're right a hundred percent can i tell you guys what i learned from this game please time would you learn i learned that

chris paul is going to love toronto he does not fit he does not fit in golden state he is like i think that like okay he did he did improve their their bench unit i feel like for the first time in a while their bench unit had some direction and they actually played like the bench unit played really well but when him and when him and step are on the floor and it's him step and clay and especially the way Clay has been from last year and it carried over into last night the offense was clunky

and it just it just it didn't it didn't flow you didn't have a lot of movement I thought it would work a little bit better because like you know step and Clay they're so great off ball and you think that if you have the point God there that it'll work I think I lost faith

in like obviously it's going to get better but in terms of being like a championship formula I think I lost faith in that last night Yeah, I have a few takeaways about the Warriors Similar thoughts It's just They have to find the right balance Of letting Chris Paul play his game

Within their offense And then letting him be more of a guy in their cog And last night, especially in the first half It just felt too much Like the ball was in Chris Ball's hands And Curry was doing his off ball So I have to try to facilitate that And let Chris Paul get comfortable

And I think there's some valid validity to that Where if you find the best balance of that possible it could be a new look warriors to have a different type of variety that we're not used to but I think it's also going to frustrate the fuck out of some Warriors fans because they're going to watch a lot of games

where they're watching the far inferior guard dribble a lot while the best ball hand in the world is sitting on the corner setting screens and they got to find that balance without diminishing the greatness of curiam ball I think the balance what does this look like

whenever and I'll ask you this what do you think this looks like whenever Dremont comes back. I think things will look a lot better and you will, I think they'll run a playbook that that has already been proven to work in the past. The last type, the last player of CP3's

archetype that they had was fucking Sean Livingston, you know? And going from Sean Livingston to CB3 is like, they're not the same level type of players at all because CP3 is just like a enormous basketball name one of the most winning players all the time or whatever. but like I think putting him in a similar role of course the like the mid-range game

and all that you can envision how that's going to work but I think once Draymond is on the courts it'll be a lot easier to realign things because they don't because they'll more so play warrior ball and they need to figure out how CP3 will fit into their scheme rather than figuring out how the entire team can fit into CP3 scheme because at that point then you're screwing yourself and you're losing your identity and you're bending too much catering towards him. Yeah. And to be fair, that's some, that just comes to time, right? Like, there's, there's no way they were going to figure that out in night one. CP's far too unique of a player for their system. So you can give them benefit out and think that'll come with time. But I don't even

think that's their biggest problem. I think watching them last night, maybe it's because I was watching Chris Paul and then watching Corey Joseph come in and look exactly like the same guy. They're just the same six-foot guard. They got two Corey Josephs. They're just such a small fucking unathletic team it's crazy it looks like they have a team full of Max Struces out there running around playing one through five just like no verticality and like and I mean that specifically

to Max Streets because he's a very good player he can shoot the ball well does this well but he has no pop right he's not like a physically imposing player I've watched that team after I watched the Nuggets and what I said about Aaron Gordon coming out being physically dominant and being able to exert it in the perfect way as a role player

the Warriors need that so bad they have no No pop, no size that he's able to play with strength. I guess Kaminga and Wiggins are supposed to be that. Wiggins was not playing with any fire last night. Camiga looked good. But like maybe Dremont comes back and helps that because he is their interior defense and pushes the pace and stuff.

But they're just like, just weak. I mean, like literally physically. Just weak. No, I mean, listen, it was true. Listen, Josh Okie was doing whatever he wanted. He was getting, he was getting every offensive rebound. He was getting several and ones. They couldn't stop him.

And it's like, they, they go to stop. You some Nerkich who, and I still think moving forward that Nerkich is cooked. Nerkis was out here looking brolic. He was getting rebounds. Any, anytime he wanted. Brolic. They called the Bosnian beast for a reason. He actually did well.

Like, no, he lived here. We'll get to that. He does good. Yeah, he looked, he looked good. And maybe we could take this and transition over, over to the suns a little bit. It's just like, I, Phoenix, and like Mo said, if Booker is passing like this and he's like underappreciated and he's playing this way, they are going to be a little bit better than what I thought. And adding Bradley Beal to that lineup is, I think I underrated them in the in the preseason because they're going to be nasty.

I have a hard time imagining what's going to look like of Bradley Beal. I just feel like he's such a player that I can't imagine a fit. So like I don't know how much better he's going to make them. probably a good amount I just can't like envision it in my head before I see it yeah it's just no bucket that's that's what I see you right now that's that's super fair to say but something that I will say is like I can I already know I sense the regret slightly in both of the guys's voices you kind of overlooks just how connective use of Newarkis feels to this team does all the dirty work and so they

saw like two three or he shot two three's made one got a block got four 13 rebounds. Now, yes, it's against the Warriors. But Kevon-Luny's very capable of getting 20 boards. You know what I'm saying? Not on the consistent basis, but he's done it before. You know what I'm saying? Those are talking about those aren't. Talk about words. Those aren't fake boards. Yeah. And then Nazir Little came out in three. Uh, Josh Okie. He's a very good connect connected piece. He does a lot of dirty work as well. And point D book is something that a lot of people saw actually, um, a couple of years ago back in the Tyler Eulis days what a fucking crazy name but there was a specific year in dbooks career where they had literally no guard and he went out and averaged the most random

seven to eight assists per game in his career and after that she was shut down because they brought in CP3 and they restructured the game a little but being around CP3 and also having that past experience of being the main dude with the ball in his hands we're seeing all those things flourish and be the main reason why he's doing things like ending the game with his passing ability which scouts would have never saw to this day bro or would have never assumed

for sure yeah I think two years ago I made a video essay on my channel about Booker and I talked about how he's like low key underrated as a passer she doesn't get to show it that much now we're seeing him have the opportunity to show it and you said he averaged seven assists back then but back then I think that seven assists

was more about usage I don't think he was like what anybody would call it a great pastor then definitely but like the tweet we see right now where you said it on Twitter yesterday he continues to mold and evolve his game he's added that to his bag over the years he hit a pass

where he came off a pick and roll went for his midi pump faked it and had a jump pass to the corner that is a play Luca Donchich Maze routinely and we all are like oh my god

one the best pass that I've ever seen not Devin Booker's doing that shit because he has to be the point guard and that's why I agree with your take that he's probably gonna be better than KD by the end of the season yeah because that's a level

different level of dynamicness from a guard no it gives them it gives them like one it kind of solves their problem of who's of who who's running point and the the fact that like he can be this guy that like and I think on any night Booker is going to be able to come out and get 30 whenever he wants right and so like if he's there and he's passing that way and again you you insert Bradley Beale for Grayson Allen per chance who went 0 for five in the second

half last night or insert him for Eric Gordon who went two for seven last night there's going to be a lot more there's going to be a lot more assist opportunities for Devin Booker like is he going to average like if we set the over under at like what we'll say six and a half six and a half assists for Devin Booker this year what are we taking are we taking the over or the under that's a that's a good that's a good number I think it'll be like around that actually Yeah, I can't, I can't comfortably say over, but also I don't want to say under either. I think I might take the, I think I might take the over. Like Isaac was saying, that jump past to the corner last night was crazy.

And the fact that like the fact that it's in his bag now and even at the end of the game, the pick and roll that he, that he ran to get, I think it was, it was either Nirkage or Eubanks, the shot at the rim. If he's able to manipulate pick and rolls like that and he's at the top of the key and he's running it, And again, you have Beal and Durant. There's just going to be so much space for him. I think he's probably going to be close to like seven or eight assists this year. I can see that seven won't be shocking.

Yeah. And also on when we're on the passing subject, you know, we talked about like, it's still the weakness of this team is they don't have a point guard. They don't really have passing. It's kind of just bucket getters. Katie looked like pretty good in the passing element. Couldn't score it last night. But he's moving the ball well.

We know Booker comes, is going to come and bring that. Beal isn't a black hole and Nurkich like Mo said he was providing some good passing out of the high post like I know not everybody was a fan of that trade when it happened I think I said I don't love the talent there but getting some it's an

addition by subtraction getting somebody there who doesn't need his touches doesn't need to be a score can just do the dirty stuff and provide you more by providing you less I think we saw it from Nurkish specifically because he was clearly just focused on defending grabbing rebounds and slinging dimes and I think I like the passing he showed

Yeah, exactly. There's a lot of good things about Nerkitz that doesn't get appreciated enough, you know, and that's for like good reasons, of course, but centers like him have true value in the league, but you just don't get to see it or at least get to appreciate until, you know, you're not there or he's not there. Yeah, he's dope. Yeah, we're looking at the team comparisons just now. And listen, the Warriors are known for having the best ball movement there is. Now they have Chris Paul, a high level passer who had like nine assists in this game. they had 19 assists for the whole game as a team Suns had 23 Suns at 23 if the Suns are going to be moving the ball

listen no team assist isn't just like this one stop metric for passing ability but it's at least a basic sign that you're moving the ball well if you're having a higher amount of assist and I don't think anybody expected the Suns to be a team routinely having more assist than their competitor now something that

I will say was there had there were moments in this game where a lot of the random role players like sometimes Eric Gordon definitely Alex or out what's that white boy's name again Grayson Allen yeah yeah he just didn't know what to do and things will just be like really awkward and they would just like give the ball back to Devonbook and he would have to re-orchestrate that entire offense for 0.2 seconds or whatever it might be yeah but as time goes on this is very encouraging to see as a Phoenix Suns fan and you must trust and believe in

you know what I'm saying the vision that they have with bradley beagle yeah my main concerns though will be listen like I said they played the warriors without draymond who's a miniature team with no rim defense I'll be interested to see how much offense they can consistently drive against teams that actually have an interior force because it's like listen they're playing the lakers next you got anthony davis down there one of the best room defenders in the league and this team's offense will only go as far as his room pressure allows it to go because listen they're going to be a good jump shooting team you can't be a consistent offense without getting into rim. The only ones we've seen do that in recent years is the Warriors and they want a

championship. And they're the fucking warriors. Yeah. So time will tell. I guess we'll learn a lot from this next game. It's the Lakers about both teams. A hundred, hundred percent. A hundred percent. Let's move on to the to the East Coast and talk about the game we just watched earlier today. Nicks versus Celtics. Donovan, we saw your team fake comeback and lose in sad fashion. What is one thing you learned? I learned that I learned three things about the Celtics. I learned that one, well, maybe not learned, but one, Jason Tatum. And then I'll hog all the things.

I have, I have. Listen, Tatum, fire. Porzingis, fire. Also, when those two are going, when the whistle that they got is going the way that it was. Here we go. Oh, yeah. They're going to win the chip. Listen, I'm sorry. I'm going to stand on something real quick. The second

half whistle that the Celtics got was crazy. And there's no reason. I mean, they were getting some bull. calls man I'm so I'm so frustrated because they really really were able they were bailed out several times by the latest whistles I've ever seen shout out to them right you you you won on the road da da da da da da da you got bailed out you got bailed out thank you thank you this tweet's hilarious yeah I see what you mean the one thing I learned is shout out to the zebra christops porzingis is a better fit for Jason Tatum than jaylon Brown ever could be

The spacing I saw Jalen, I mean, Jalen Brown, I just said the same name twice, the spacing I saw Jason Tatum operate with because of Christos-Worzingis in the five-out offense unlocked him to a new level. He dropped over 30, and I swore after the first half ended, I was like, he might go for 50. Like, this is nuts. Every play, they ran pick and pop. The Knicks were running a deep drop and, like, low-key switching it. Jason Tatum just attacked Mitchell Robinson with no help in sight because of five-out spacing,

and he just terrorized him. Like, I swear, probably 17 of his 34 points were on Mitchell Robinson, just putting him in hell because he had no help because every other Celtic is beyond the three point line. It's great. He was cooking. One thing that I learned is that my hypothesis was right. Big white man in Celtics jersey equals abundance of buckets. I don't, listen, I don't make up the rules. It is what it is.

The sooner you look sent it, you won't be surprised. We're just simple observers of the game, and it's an undefeated tactic by the Celtics. sign the biggest best white you can find and you're gonna be cooking facts I've never seen someone like Luke Cornett be actually useful in a fucking basketball game but he proved to be useful last season

look at Christops proscenous he's playing he's having an out of body experience he's going to this season bro all-star proscenous for sure yeah man that five out spacing is just so good and like I love the lineups whenever it was Horford and

Christops both out there with Jalen and Jason because you get the five about spacing still and you get two big bodies defending the rim like in the first half I think the story of the game

was their defense was just locking the Knicks down we saw them in the second half come back because the Celtics kind of went cold in the third quarter which you know their team with two new quote unquote stars in the mix

that's going to happen you're going to have some cold spells while you get used to each other but that defense man what did you think of that Donovan listen I think I think that they have the best defensive back court in the league

easy and the fact the fact that they're able to put white and holiday so far up i mean they were able to just trade off ball handlers whenever somebody's bringing the ball up the floor and then just line up porzengis brown and tatum just all on the back line so it's like yeah you can take 10 seconds to get up the floor but now you have 14 seconds and just all this length right there at the frito line that you have to get through and it makes everything extremely tough and like for for a team like the nix and jalen brunson who's very like first

off the offense is very is so heavy as it is and so for brunson who's undersized and you have to go through all of that all that pressure and then julius randall who you know has as you know similar no i don't even you know i'm looking at this team comparison right here and at the points in the paint thing at the bottom boston had 42 and the nicks had 24 that's going to be the story of why the southwarks are going to be incredible this year because like i said five out spacing tatum is going to eat at the rim every fucking play and with that duo of horford and christops locking up the paint and then tatum helping at the at the nail which means sliding over to the free throw line to defend drives he's the best at that in the league i think that trio of defensive players

is going to make them have a really good rim defense while having a really good rim offense that that's how you win games in the NBA look at look at the blocks they beat the nix in blocks 11 to zero right you can't block a shot if you're setters outside of the paint it's crazy 11 to zero on blocks and those were immediately those blocks and their steels were immediately able to turn into transition points they beat the next 18 to 7 and fast break points they're able to turn defense into offense so quickly that it's going to give them an advantage every single night just because of the pressure that they're able to put on with their guards it's they're going to be fantastic this defense is going to carry them like they're going to be top five in both categories

seeing these numbers and just how like disruptive they seem to appear to be not it seemed to appear they literally are disruptive is very frightening you know what I'm saying for so many teams and there's only like maybe one or two teams out there that are built to counteract all the elitness that's going on for the Boston Celtics on all four fronts of the defensive line back line front line whatever you whatever way you're want to slice it it's going to be a hell of a task to try to consistently get quality looks off on this team when there's just so much length so much lateral quickness and all that surrounded everywhere bro yeah this game made me see the vision

more I've been very tentative to like crown the Celtics over the bucks because I think the bucks are going to be incredible too which you know we'll see tomorrow I a few more games like this I'll quickly be like alright maybe they'll be better in the bucks unless we see the bucks also dominate, like we think they could. But I'm more receptive to it now than I was yesterday.

Same. They're going to be good. As for the Knicks, tomorrow, we're on the line. We're running. We're running. They also missed. They were 14, 26 from the free throw line. You missed 12 free throws in this game.

Quentin Grimes had a crucial free throw that he missed on a four-point play. Julius Randall was 1 for 6 from the free throw line. I need everybody on the baseline. 6 a.m. I'm going to have the whistle. I'm going to have the whistle. on hand. Up downs. Up downs. Until somebody can make 10 straight free throws and do what Ben Simmons was doing in practice, we're not leaving the gym. It sounds ridiculous. That's crazy.

That's ridiculous. Yeah, I don't feel that bad about the Knicks if I was a Knicks fan. The first half offense was horrific. They were playing a great defense I've never seen before. First game of the season, Russ coming off. I think I saw Pierre from Through the Wire's tweet. He was like, this offense is just everybody watching one dude cook while four of the people stand around. That's exactly how I felt. Jalen was doing Jalen stuff. Well, everyone else is like,

damn, look at Brunson Cook. It was just like not good. That's what it is. It's an is so heavy offense. And it's like when you play teams, when you play teams that one are able to switch effectively. And then every single like,

again, like bringing, bringing that amount of pressure to the ball with Holiday and white, it just makes everything so much harder. And it's, it's, it's, It makes the NICs, like, you look at them and you're like, okay, they are a move away.

And there's been rumors about, you know, going out and getting Embed, it's being cat talk, right? We'll see, we'll see what happens. But, like, they have, they have to get another piece to kind of make this offense a little bit more dynamic. Structurally, I think we all agree and understand that this team has a specific ceiling. They're a tough kind of grinded out team with the type of players that they have and also their head coach and how their head coach tends to stylistically play. there's going to need to be some roster reconstruction before anyone like places any serious expectations around a team like the New York Knicks

you know they like a lot of hard nose grimy ass players and all that which will take you a long way and you'll fucking win a lot well win a lot of tough games or a few tough games at the very least but you can only go so far with that with that play style you know

now we sold tonight I think CAD is exactly what they need I know Donovan would hate it I would love to see Carl I think we can transition this to talk about the Timberwolves game a little bit But I think cat would be perfect for Jalen Brunson Having that pick and pop threat that can pop and then catch the ball attack closeouts Would give them the type of dynamicness they need

So listen, Mr. Robinson's dope I like him a lot I like him a decent amount He's not dynamic with the ball in his hands Or dynamic is a roll thread either So when the run and pick and roll it quickly devolves into an ISO Because you just got to sell out on Jalen Because he's not going to have a set up can partner in that in that action to like make you like respect the cat would fix that problem

i think i'm not i'm not i'm not talking about that i'm not i'm just not going to manifest that listen all right man i'm not talking about that okay let's fly through their game and then we'll get to wemby i learned from the timbrewills played the rafters a team we don't have high hopes for the timbrewows are a team that we have mixed amount of hopes for i predicted them to be the team that falls out of the plane at 11 seed. You guys have had him a little bit higher. General NBA consensus is that the Timberwell should be a good team. I think everybody who thinks that there will be a top five team in the West

simply has a crush on Anthony Edwards. Watching this game, it was the same team I watched last year be fucking nonsense on offense because they have two centers who want to stand the same place. I learned from this game that Carl Anthony Towns must be traded because you're never going to find an offense that works with him and Rudy Gobert in the same team. Never.

Listen, it's what we've been saying. It's what we've been saying for a year now. And, listen, Aunt, it had a, you know, Aunt had a good game. And this is kind of the story. This is what we thought. He took 27 shots and hit 20, he had 26 points. That's gross.

Listen, what do you want him to do? What do you want him to do? There's two trees in the pain. He can't do shit. Now, he had a portion game, but it's just, what makes Carlin Town's good is you run a pick and pop with him. If the center goes down to the paint with the guard, kick it up to Kat, best big man shooter in the league.

If the center comes up, Kat is really good at using his ball handling and attacking them off the dribble and getting to the rim. He scored 60 against the spurs simply because he just terrorized Jakopoto and ran past him every play. He can't run past anybody and get anywhere when Rudy Gobert is standing in the dunker spot

going like this. There's no way that team can work constructing themselves around Kat's kills. They have him standing on the perimeter like he's Kevin Durant just like spotting up about to fucking go that boy nice ball and that's not cat's game he has to be going up and downhill getting the ball fed to him like that could be his game if you want to win 38 games a year but that's not the top of trajectory that they want to go ahead and head towards as you said like

i think i said this last year they're going to in order for them to write their wrongs and not look horrific as a franchise you have to get rid of the guy who once thought was your franchise player car anthony towns in order to enter this next wave next phase of the Minnesota Timbles and you know what I'm saying it's just a hard pill to swallow it's a hard pill to swallow and they're going to force this

I wonder how long they're going to force this but hopefully it's not much longer hopefully you know they go ahead and get an appeasing enticing offer because this is holding back their entire Rossbro Anthony Edwards can't just Mike Conley's old as hell what the hell do you want to do He just gave

McDaniels 136 or 46 million dollars You know what I'm saying It's a heavy investment Just re-sign Nas Reid Like all their moves are Indicating towards Or at least it feels like it

One of these big dudes have to move And Cat might be that man out Bro they're gonna be a second Luxury Tax Apron team Which means they can't There's a lot of limitations To your roster building

When you hit that level of payment And there may be gonna be a playing team because like you said because they gave Jay McDaniels 27 million a year the team is too expensive to keep together unless you're going to be

contending for a championship which I don't think anybody after tonight is disillusioned to thinking that's going to happen no they they you know what

I'm staying on until they trade cat and fix everything they will miss they will be out of the playing race let's go you know that's my night one declaration

that's hard I love that I agree with you too but something that J.J. Reddick pointed out on his podcast I was watching earlier today. Carl Anthony Towns and Rudy Gobert went ahead and played, I think they played like 119 minutes together in the playoffs last season and like 127 minutes together throughout the entirety of the regular season because of Car Anthony Towns's injuries. And we haven't seen much of them together. And he was holding on to you the belief that they will figure it out. They will make things work eventually.

and I'm just like the math again is like not mathing no matter how long you're holding on to it you're diminishing Carl Anthony Towns trade value because the whole leagues and look at him as trash when he's not really that trash so it's like listen I respect JJ Redick saying that he's a good dude he's positive he's a player comes from the perspective of wanting to respect players and give people benefit of the doubt because he knows what's like to be in a locker room and be shit on by people like us in chairs that just be like oh you guys suck you can't do it when there's a lot more complicated than that and there's no personality aspects X as a nose all this stuff

it's his job to get people benefit for the doubt it's not my job to fucking care about that there's no I don't care like how many minutes you watch this team together there's no indication or any positive sign that they're going to figure out that fit just by giving themselves more time I think that's just going to be more time to run into a brick wall

and like you said eventually see that they have to trade him while he has trade value yeah we've we've seen everything that we've needed to see and this experiment We knew before the trade happened. That's true. That's true.

It doesn't matter. Wow, they really fumbled. They fumbled like crazy. We can move on, but at the end of the day, it doesn't matter how good Anthony Edwards can be. Because stylistically, bro, you're holding him back at the end of day. And he'll never be the superstar. We want him to be with just how clunky that offense is. Facts.

And listen, bro, it's just one game. Maybe we're overreacting in the sense that it is one game. Maybe they'll come out and prove us wrong. I'm if I'm going to overreact anything this is what I'd rather overreact to I'm willing to stake the claim here that they're not going to be good if I'm wrong

Coltakes expose me I'll live do want to talk about Thoron Rafters at all anything y'all learn no no I don't care I don't I don't care either they're a mid-team who beat a bad team so it's like congratulations

honestly know what's crazy the Raptors should be the team that the Timberwolves should have the best chance against. The way you expose the Timberwolves is by stretching out cat, attacking him with speed and ball handling on the perimeter. The Raptors don't have any of that. They're a bunch of big dudes who get to the rim and have like a game based on like length rather than speed. That should be the perfect team for the Timberwolves they expose and they still got clapped. It's crazy. Yeah, they suck, man. They suck. Yeah, I will say Scottie Barnes look good and I know

we like to make fun of him a lot and the fact that he might be Tiger Evans. Mostly joking because We don't care about the Raptors because Raptors fans have like an inferiority complex and it's funny to play on it. But part of the reason Kat was so shitty is because Scotty Barnes locked him down. So props to him. That's very funny. I'm already tired of talking about the Raptors, bro. That was the craziest thing. Mo hates the Raptors.

I just don't know why I do, bro. I just, you're the reason they have that complex because people were just like, fuck them for no reason. I didn't game much than that. Shruder had a good game. he's a tough player that can cook against two slow-footed bigs and not a lot of good point guard defense so i i honestly was watching closer to the timber wool so i didn't get a lot of takeaways on the raptors so i wouldn't say i don't care i just know how much to say about them i don't i will say i don't care i don't i don't care we can move on we can move on to the real

star of the night to wemby whose game whose game just finished star of the night yeah yeah i mean Listen, it's, it's what beats his night. It's his league now. Like, it's his world. We're just living in it. You know, this guy's crazy, man. This guy's crazy. And like, if it wasn't for foul trouble, he scored nine points in the fourth quarter

and everyone's like, is he going to single-handedly, like, win the game for them right now? Like, this is insane. Like, if Kelton Johnson didn't feel like running his head into a brick wall for four straight plays, they probably could have got that game. Yeah. The one thing I learned from this game, I'm worried about the Mavs. Oh, yeah. Spurs, listen, Wembe was in foul trouble, and the first half had six points.

It was a close game, the whole game, and the Spurs were leading most of the game, led by mostly just Devin Vassell and Jeremy Sohan going sickle mode. Like, the Mavs do not strike fearing me in any way. I think they all have, it's similar to the Warriors, where they just have so little size and tenacity defensively or athleticism from any other lineup outside their two lead guards. besides Derek lively who's very impressive I think most of that top of the show

I just don't know where they're going to get juice from firepower on either end to the court man I said this in my season's predictions this is going to be the team that misses out in the playoffs the fact that they had to fight for their life against a team

who many of us believe aren't going to make the playoffs because of the current state of their organization or the rebuild or whatever you know it took a luka dagger the luka dagger a luker and a clutch Kyrie Irving thing for them to go ahead and like seal seal everything shut that is alarming now yes grant williams did his thing put up 17 points kary irving did carrie irving things derrick lively was phenomenal chef kiss type good you know but at the new day he's a rookie

i don't know how consistent we believe he can be when it comes to this and yo they have by far the worst front court that yeah by far there was front court in the NBA or not in the NBA my bad in the Western Conference specifically and I don't know how things how they'll be able to hold up when they go against the 80s yokeches jaron jackson juniors etcs of the world you know they're they're not they're not going to be able to hold up because listen they gave up they they gave up like what was that I think they gave up 68 points in the first half and again wemby was in a little bit of fat so he wasn't even dominating like that And as great as he was, he's not an interior force at this point in his career.

I don't know if he's ever going to be like, you know, dominant like that, like that whenever you think about Wembe. And so, it's a one, like most of it, like most of when you start playing those interior forces, like a Denver, a Denver, a Lakers, right, teams like that, they are going to get cooked and embarrassed because their front line is just not good. And it's going to take triple doubles from Luca every single night for them to even be competitive. And so, like, Isaac was saying he's worried. I'm worried too. We put them in the last spot of the playing just out of respect for Luca. But they are, they might miss this. They might miss this.

They let San Antonio score 43 points in the first quarter. They haven't done that in ages, like two years, three years, whatever it might be. Still feels like ages. That's really us know how cook they are. And they won this game in the fourth quarter. They pulled out a tough win. Like you said, a Luca dagger.

And it was honestly like a typical Luca masterclass. Yeah, that was a 37 point triple double? Stupid. Or what was the points? I don't remember. But it was a triple double. It's 33 points, 13 rebounds, tennisis.

Great look at a game. Still barely beat the spurs. And what was Carrey Irving's that line? See, he was 10 for 24 from the field for 22. points one of eight from three so like that's going to that's going to come up obviously but what do you what do you need from kairi on consistent basis if lucca's going to look at things average his near 30 point triple double what do you need from kairi to make up for the rest of this roster and can you get that while luc is doing his thing honestly i think probably 25 to 28 because

i'm not going to rely on derrick lively to give me 17 or 16 points and also grant Williams to give me 15 to 17 points a game and shoot four for eight from three he did great did his thing but there's just like you're so reliant you're they're super frail and they're extremely thin on the front lines so they're gonna need a lot from kairy especially on the defense events which is hard to ask yeah it's it's a it's a lie tim tim hardaway also had a had a bad game it's weird because you kind of see everything with the mabs in this game like you saw you saw their deficiencies on the front line but then you also saw a little bit of good and derrick lively you saw a really good grant williams game but then tim hardaway was three of ten

from three right kairy was doing was doing some things offensively but then also there's like the one for a thing and and like the defensively he wasn't um he's like not you know stout and everything so they while they clearly have like improvements that they can make i feel like the average of the season is probably going to be a lot of what we saw tonight and that's a problem because like we keep saying when you play teams who are better than the spurs which last year was like 13 teams

you are going to have issues and so yeah I'm actually really worried about Dallas I think that might be my biggest overreaction yeah it's the it's the most discouraging win of any of the teams I want tonight it's like you want but there's no way you feel good about as a mass fan

Or could that be us underrating how good the Spurs might be? I don't know. I don't think personally. Yeah, I do think the Spurs will take a step in the right direction. The Rebo, Devin Vassell is going to continue to prove, you know what I'm saying? He can be one of the cornerstone pieces for this organization. He better be. They gave him this fat ass bag and he had a fantastic performance.

Jeremy is going to be doing fantastic things for them as well. Keldon Johnson is Keldon Johnson Whatever you want to make out of that Do you, bro But the spurs are good They did their thing But at the same time It's not that hard to do your thing

Against a front line Like this at the end of the day Man let's talk about Wemby Let's do it Enough of the Mavs Let's talk about Victor Wim and Yama I'm so obviously It wasn't the most

Exciting first game First half only six points He had two threes early on I was like oh nice Got into foul trouble How to come out for most The third quarter Like you said

He had a nine point flurry In the fourth quarter I think this was kind of Quintessential Rookie game We just kind of got conditioned By the preseason To expect him to be a star immediately But we saw everything you expect

From a rookie That dropped the first right Flashes in the first quarter Inconsistency you're trying to find his way Getting to foul trouble Because it's a hard speed to adjust to Then the flashes again Are you all surprised by this at all?

Not really Like I don't I don't know what my expectation. I mean, actually, I do know. My expectations were, were high. But honestly, but they were higher on the defensive end than offensively. Like, Wembe can come out. He could score 10 or he could score 20 and I wouldn't be really phased.

I think where I'm really, really impressed and just like, wow, is that every other night he's blocking a shot where he's faced backwards and, you know, from the 3.4 line, it's just something stupid like that. And he had a, he had a block early on in the game while I was like, oh, yeah, like he's he's going to be making a difference defensively but i don't know it's it wasn't like you said it was anything crazy it was good he had some good moments he had some bad moments i think game two when he's not in foul trouble we're going to basically see the whole spectrum he also he did a very good job i think offensively he did a very good job filling the lane in

transition and being like a very big target obviously at the at the rim San Antonio missed him a lot And I think that that's something That we're gonna see moving forward Is he's gonna get six points a night Just running the floor Catching a lob and you know Turn it around and putting the ball in the basket so

Yeah I'm amazed at how good he is at running the fast break already And his awareness to just fill the lanes is ridiculous You know what I'm saying? Like you don't see this type of awareness that often And his feel for the game is ODI high So Wembe did exactly what Wembe should be doing. I think as his teammates get better specifically learning to feed him. And like you said earlier, Donovan,

whenever Keldin Johnson just doesn't decide to be 2038, Russell Westbrook and just run straight to the paint with like no intentions, no hops, just like just running. You know what I'm saying? They'll be better. You know, when Jeremy Sahan knows to just pass a ball to Wembe towards the late end of the game, They'll be better, so.

Yeah, I agree. But I mean, those are the four main games we want to talk about. I think, we talk about five now. I think after this we should, we're going to hit every game right now, and we're going to talk about our takeaway from each. Let's rapid fire out through the rest of them because, you know, we can only watch so many games in one night.

So a lot of this was just pieces we're able to gather. First game of the rapid fire round. Shade go to South Alexander and the Thunder beat the shit out of the Bulls and force them to have a player's only meeting after the first night. How embarrassing. It's what did you learn, Mo?

Yo, I learned absolutely nothing other than, yo, they are cut. They have not learned their lesson. That's what I've learned. Yeah. I learned that Shea is not overrated. People were quick to say that he's getting too much hype. People are pushing him in the top ten conversations

before he, quote unquote, does anything in the league. And I think we're going to see the same Shay this. year come out and be one of the best scores in the league leading a playoff team. The Bulls are on pace for 82 players-only meetings this year. That's a hilarious tweet. Great, great tweet. Yeah, I'm with y'all. I think we learned that the Bulls need to blow it up right now.

Find any trade partner that you can. Whatever they've been doing for the last three years is just destined for mid. And it's just at this point, it might be worse than me because, again, players only meeting on night one that's that's turmoil somebody's getting fired and somebody's not coming back next year yeah it's not going well but listen we're all pretty high on the thunder i think me the least of all i think they'll probably more like an eight seed a lot of people i think maybe one of you guys project them to be like making a top six seed type of leap if that's where you're going with the season predictions good first night for you it's a it's a great first night for the thunder

everybody everybody did also they they got they have to make a move they're going to have have to make a move because having Shay having Shay and then the other three kind of like wings on top of Chet and listen Lou Dort I'm looking at you. I'm looking at you Lou Dort. You might not be here next year. I'm just saying it right now. Enlighten me a little bit more. Why do you think they have to like make a move like so soon? So I think that this lineup of like having basically four wings and Chet I think that it is. it has a ceiling and I think that they can get a little bit more more dynamic and like if giddy is it like giddy what did he shoot tonight he was he was two of three from three so like not bad if he can take that leap then maybe somebody can stay but I think that they're going to need more shooting because like she is not a shooter like that and he's going to be on ball I don't I don't think giddy is ever going to be knocked down right we'll see we'll see how how jdubs three um how his his shot develops, I just feel like they're going to need a little bit more space and it's like

if you have 37 first round picks or 37 draft picks over the next five years, you can afford to overpay for somebody to get somebody in there that maybe fits your lineup and gives your team a little bit more, you know, dynamic. Yeah. I don't know what the word is. Dynamics. I don't know. What are the word? I think I made that word up actually. It sounds right though. And lucky sounds right. You're right though. Whenever the Raptors blow it up, this team needs to go all in and get OG and Anobie. They need a big wing in space a floor. I was thinking of the same thing.

I was thinking of the same thing. Yeah. And you know what? Masai, you're just going to say as soon as they offer up six first round picks. No. Go to hell. Blocked.

Never talk to me again. They can do that. They can do that though. Bro, the Thunder can give. They can give Toronto six first round picks and still have like 27 draft picks. You can't even use all of that. Go ahead. Overpay.

for somebody. It's fine. Also, a player on their bench, Uzman Dang or Jang, I don't know exactly how you say it. He was three for five from three. He's a big wing type of player. I don't have a good feel for how good of a defender he's going to be yet, but there's a tall guy who getting in spacing tonight

and that was a relative question mark, I think coming into this year is can he fill that role? First night, he's doing a well. Yep. Also, my guy, Isaiah Joe, three of six from downtown. He's going to be the same thing. he did his thing

He'll be the sniper All right man Next team we got The Atlanta Hawks Lost to the Charlotte Hornets Mo you go first This is your team What did you learn about this game

Um Takeaway one Trey Young Reverted to playing Like Julian Newman Take two That I learned Jalen John

Has basically LeBron James But on a serious note Nate McMillan can go to hell Okay, for real Sorry, for real, sorry I ain't need it I mean, I ain't need it, but Um,

the Atlanta Fox Bro, you had Jalen Zonson on this roster for like three years And he didn't get no burn for real, bro. The slightest glimpse that we saw last year fans like me were yelling out Jalen Zonson and he's coming out different I couldn't say shit for real

He averts like three, five points a game who might have to yell out some random ass real role player who looks like every other player in the NBA Jalen Johnson like you know what I'm saying it's just so random but seeing him put up 21 points and just

beat that brute athletic force that every team in the NBA seems to need nowadays feels so many gaps in a reason he feels so good that this team is making a step in the right direction you know of course

I want to say that Quinn Snyder has made emphasis towards having emotion offense and all those other stuff and tonight's nights like this we reverted to 2021 2020 23 hawks basketball trey young just deal wise like i saw this one play where he just took the ball off rip and he tried to get a foul and he was looking around and just chucked that bitch up and it barely hit the front of the rim bro when he missed hair it was just like a terrible game everyone else played well at except for him and Dejante,

just like, they just need to swing that bitch more, bro, and then they'll be fine, like. Yeah, I don't feel like you can take much in this first game. I think a lot of times you see a lot of teams have cold starts this season

because you got to knock the rest off, get into the groove of the regular season. I think that's what he saw tonight. Dejante and Trey were just horrendous. They're not going to normally be horrendous. So even if you don't like the team, I don't feel like you can take a lot from tonight because you're in your game,

you're not going to take anything away from a game where you're two best players are absolutely non-factors. Exactly. Good or bad. You can't learn shit. Exactly. Listen, they shot 17% from 3.

You're going to have these. You're going to have those fights. So it's fine. However, for the hornish, though, Nick Richards, Nick Richards, he looks solid tonight. He looked very good.

You know, well, I said, PJ Washington. He looked fantastic. Yes. He looked good. He played like Rent was due tomorrow. I don't know what's shooting splits.

I like what I saw from Ben and Miller. He looked like he fit, fit pretty well. The way he was moving, getting his shots up, it was good. Can you see his stats? See exactly what he scored. I like, I liked his confidence at the end of, at the end of the game was fantastic. He hit, 13 points. He had like two really big threes for them towards the end.

God, I cannot talk. He hit two big threes for them towards the end of the game. Exactly. That's how I'm feeling. I'm feeling. Man, someone else who I liked. Someone else who I liked. liked yeah it was it is a late night for me let me go ahead and expose this information it's

almost 2 a.m. that we're recorded this podcast right now if you haven't liked this or giving this a five star you should be ashamed of yourself we are grinding you y'all love the game yo we do it for the love of the game Isaac and donovan and producing a keel trying to give me out the hood and you should be too making all these rap notes but you ain't standing on business trying to get me out the hood what is wrong with you man I see what type of person you are and anyways be edited and ready for you guys tomorrow morning god bro exactly we're on our grind bro on our grind speaking of grind mark williams i fucking love the way he played today bro or last night bro he is proving to be one of the cornerstone pieces of the charlotte horn is one of the young players that they should

definitely absolutely roll with and package up with lemo and full focus on what other players will be complimenting to these guys game you know what i'm saying so he I think you put up like 13 points of 15 rebounds and absolute menace on the defensive end being disruptive while also making all the easy plays and catching up catching all these offensive rebounds when Clint Capella and all them boys are sleeping he did great bro and he is a player that I'm looking forward to just continue to do great things a season yeah shout out of Mark Williams listen I predicted the Hornets to be a surprising good team to some people I think they'll be like the nine seed or something good start let's move on

the next game we got a rapid fire through like six more games the Rockets man they played the magic ass what were they cooking in this offseason they look horrible tell me tell tell me did you guys have to watch this game no I was I was locked in on a whole bunch of

great I watched the first quarter I watched the first quarter and then I was no skipping through all the games tonight but I watched the entire the first quarter it was a four o'clock game for me the first thing I watched they just fucking suck right now got you got Fred Van Vleet was a big addition.

He went into it, clearly starting the game, wanting to be the point guard facilitating, moving things around. Oh, by the way, I forgot to say, my one takeaway, they fucking suck right now, that's it. Fred Van Vleet came into the game, wanting to be the point guard facilitating, wasn't trying to get his own shot, ended the first half of two points.

He came on third quarter and got his because he had to step things up. He was trying to clearly put the ball in Jalen Green's hands, Alperin Sankoon's hand. One of those players are good. It was not Jalen Green. Jalen Green started the game

with two turnovers, bobbling the ball and dropping it out of bounds. They played through Sangoon more, which is nice. Their old coach refused to do it. He thought he was a gadget role player. IMA is playing through Sangoon as a hub, and it looks good. That's the best stuff they do is when that happens. Outside of that, nothing looked good.

A men look like a rookie. Fred Van Vleet looked too passive. We'll see that and get better. Jalen Green looked like old Jalen Green from last year. Dylan Brooks is Dylan Brooks. There was no positive signs tonight. Wait, does this say that Dylan Brooks was the leading score? At 14 points.

That's not a big number. That's trash. That's trash. Shout out Orlando, though. We're all, listen, we're all magic hive over here. They did the thing. I didn't know. It sounds like fantastic.

Yeah, I caught a lot of highlights on my timeline on Twitter and just read through the lines and all that. But one thing I can say is like, yo, if Palo Bancaro is only getting up six shots and they still blow this team's back out by 20 points, there's some serious issues over. over there at Houston Houston we have a problem quite literally they beat him by 30 oh 30 oh my god that makes my heart so sad for them that makes my heart so sad for them but one random thing that I want to say that I saw from this that I saw online that came from this game is Jonathan Isaac just came out of fucking nowhere I forgot that I always forget that he's an NBA player I think of him as a pastor he's on he's a Fox News like rotating anchor at this point in my mind. I forget that he's actually

being playing he's a defensive menace, but seeing that block that he got against, Dailing Green moves me and that just made this team even more dangerous in my head. Yeah. Franz Wagner looked really good in the first quarter. He had three plays. He hit two pull-up threes and threw a dime to Wendell Carter on the roll.

I think he looks incredibly comfortable as a ball handler, seeing things as they happen and dissecting a defense. I'm real excited what it looks like whenever him and Palo get into games where they're actually competitive and they have to try hard. that combination with Wendell excites me ah man that big three

is going to be one of my favorite big threes and I think like if many you saw on the season previews I see them being a playoff team this year same too right man let's keep the rapid fire going one game that I didn't get to watch it all so this would be extreme rapid fire

Miami barely beat the pistons and the only thing I can take away because I didn't get to watch the game I'm glad Kate Cunningham looks like he's making that leap in the first game at least 30 points nine assists I so badly need Kay Cunningham to be the star I came into he came into the league thinking that he could be

I have a lot of stock in him and I hope it pays off Yeah this is this is one of those games I'm gonna have to go back in and watch I didn't get a chance to see a lot of it What I will say is I saw that Miami was up very big in this game And they blew the lead at home Listen you only score 103 against the Pistons You're already starting the season off Scary hours for Miami

These are the games that you're gonna have to win and be very comfortable in and if you're squeaking these out against Detroit it's the same thing that we're talking about with Dallas is it's going to get a lot harder from here so I was very very down on Miami coming into this season they got the win right this I guess this is what the heat do right they they grind things out but they're going to have to figure out a way to actually score because 103 is not going to get it done yeah also they started killing Hayes over jade and ivy which I know something they toyed with in the preseason I get it they probably want jaden ivy to get more touches with the second unit i think that's how you

maximize him instead of playing him next to kade you might as well play the guard next to him that doesn't need the ball in his hands as much you don't need killing to get killing to get his touches but like why the fuck would you draft jaden ivy if not to play next to kade this is don't understand that move like just one of those things to where you can't really fault them because they did they did a good job with bringing him monti williams he is a good coach or at least he's been proven to be a good coach over the last few years but there's a clear disconnect when you just draft someone last year as a top

four or five pick and you decided to bring him off the bench for someone who's been memed on TikTok as a certified bust and he's known for nothing but looking good and also giving you a ton of bricks on the court, Killian Hayes. He does not deserve an opportunity

to be honest with you to start and there has it's been better. Has he even though he's not a decent preseason I don't want to shit on Killian. That is true. He's been all right. I think the first half you said is what I agree with it's a disconnect that like clearly Monty doesn't have that

he doesn't care that Jay and I if he was drafted high he didn't make that pick and I felt that's a disconnect you're talking about listen we saw if Monty did the DeAndre 8 and he doesn't give a shit about draft capital I think you should I think you should you should see if Jay and Ivy can start next to K before you just throw it away

I don't know man I just I just disagree with just putting Jane and Ivy on the bench because the entire goal for him if you're a head coach and you should be like projecting towards the future you have nothing to lose what the fuck like why are you yeah I want to go ahead and I want kids but have the ball like you're not going to lose anything by starting jaden ivy alongside of him like yeah sure you got to see what you got right exactly if it works first exactly I think my biggest thing is

like young players and opportunity and stuff like that and this is just like Kenny he's just one of those young players where he just doesn't deserve to have another chance anymore at starting at least. He just doesn't deserve it, bro. Jay and Ivy does that. He was playing up all these tweets about all these pissing fans that are like, oh my God, Killian sucks. Shout out, Kofi. Kobe said, Monty Williams has picked

the Killian Hay's agenda, which means we're in for a long season. Yeah, man, exactly. I just hate it when organizations or coaches, whoever you want to pinpoint this at point, this too, the situation of the coach just puts young player like Jayon and I have in the

worst position possible for him to grow and develop as a player but it is what it is yeah yeah let's move on oh one team i just want i don't even want to talk about because i don't i didn't see a look about it the pacer's lost the pacers blew out the wizards i saw daniel gaffer was in foul trouble he only paid 19 minutes that's all i know about this game listen i didn't even watch this game listen i learned i learned that if you are playing the wizards that night is your night go get your career high because they will let you score eight people had double figures tonight against the wizards you you will have a good night you would be able to go out on the on the club and say that you did something that night and you

will be able to have a productive game if you're in a slump play washington you'll be all right there you go man that's our takeaway the wizards suck surprise surprise everybody one 43 in regulation is devious this is dead one 10 they're at 110 bro in the third quarter before the third quarter even ended. That is crazy. Irregulation? Come on. Devia is such a funny word. Like, it just has to be intentional.

I like the Obie Topin look. He only paid 19 minutes because, like you said, a lot of guys are eating, a lot of garbage time has had. I thought Obi looked good in the little bit I saw. Yeah, he looked good in preseason two. Yeah. Shout out, Obi. I'm very, very excited for him. Oh, yeah, Bruce Brown went nuts and 204 points. And looking like, fucking prime Clay Thompson is the most unexpected thing ever, bro. What did he have his baby with Lana Rhodes?

Is that recently? Is he still on the dad strength wave? Like Fred Van Villeet? I have no idea. Did he? He had a kid? I didn't even know that. Yo, the rumor is that he's Lana Rose's kid's son.

All right. What? You're a nasty guy. You're a nasty guy. Whoa, what's up of Isaac? What do you do at your off time? Yeah, I'm a nasty guy.

Oh, my God. I'm on the internet. People thought I was Blake Griffin's kid. People were clowning him. They were like, oh shit, Bruce Brown actually. I was out.

The whole internet was very much type in. Bro, I thought you were going towards another route. There's like, speaking of this for two seconds, some random ass, like some random ass girl hopped on a podcast talking about some,

yeah. Oh, I saw that. Oh, no, no, we got to go. We got to go. We got to go. No more that Ew He said she got a pink guy bro

Next game Oh Oh my god bro Next game The Cavaliers played the Nets And pulled out the win The Nets gave him a push They really did

The Nets fumbled this game Do you know why Nets game A push? Tell me why Cam motherfucking Thomas Jump 35 points He is He's

Listen we got to get him In just like a pro-am Like if he can play pro-am basketball I feel like that's where he thrives Because if Camtop Either in a pro-am On teams where nobody thinks that Like anything is going to happen

Which I guess is the net So like He's just going to have One to two week stretches Where he's just scoring 36 every night And it's like Why doesn't this guy play 36 minutes tonight like why why are we not running him in the starting lineup is he

devon booker yeah when it comes to cam johnson you're all you're either getting two points or 36 points there's no in between with him bro you're either getting a ton of buckets or he ain't getting no burn it's so weird what is this one this tweet mo can you explain this consistently you think they need bruce brown why did you capitalize penetrate my iPhone likes to capitalize things

in the middle of sentences no that was intentional at first tell me what was you thinking he said this should have hired I misspelled the word penetrate at first and then I did autocorrected it made it the P capital it's not me I'm blaming it on iOS we can't let Bruce Broad ever play for IMA doka it's going to be a scary site

oh my goodness What are we talking about? Hey, yo. What's going down right now? We're in the deep end of the pond. Oh, my God. It's going to be treacherous. You're my treacherous little twilight.

Yo. Oh, man. Yeah, my head hurts. Tom is joking. Yeah, my head hurts. Oh, my gosh. He's having a coffee. Oh my gosh

You know I'm about to die Oh god Oh god If you still here Comment Bruce Brown is devious You're so disgusting bro Oh gosh Comment Bruce Brown is a nasty guy here

This is a nasty guy hosting our pod This is crazy Wow What's the last game? Two more games. The Pelicans played the Grizzlies. I got to watch some of this one. Pelicans look good.

They had a very spread-out offense in the way. We know we always talk about them having a lot of cooks in the kitchen. I think you saw the positive of that tonight. They won without a single player dominating. C.J. McCollum was their leading score. I think he had 24. It just looked like exactly what you want from an offense. There's a lot of creators.

And then the Grizzlies just looked like a team that didn't have the firepower with no job. Listen, Desmond, Bain, you're about to earn. all the money you just got paid because now if you were ever going to be a star now is the time for you to step up and show us what you can do listen he had 30 tonight so for the first you have 24 more games of this please enjoy it and five assists yeah he had to be the primary facilitator with no jaw there and no ties jones there and i think he did a decent job at it the problem is jaron jackson was ass i think he was like two for nine from the feel for the beginning of the game i don't know what he finished with he finished eight points five rebounds and

three assists bro he had five which is monstrous, but he did not look good attacking Jonas Valchunis off the dribble. He's on that team USA grind. Going against those big, body, bigs like that, isn't his thing. He just, he doesn't get a lot of lift when he attacks the jumpers. When he attacks the rip, he doesn't get a lot of us off the ground. I'm sorry. Have some shame.

How far is he about it? No, I'm so sorry. I looked up And Nick Kew was like And we're like Like last This spot is going off to deep end Oh my gosh

Jared Jackson was trash They lost to the pelicans If you're scared of the gris Not being able to do good enough Without Jaws Tonight's the reason why They didn't have facilitating Didn't have any creation from anybody worth a damn

And the gris And the pelicans look solid Yeah, shout out to Zion. Big Z is back. Shout out Big Z. Nobody's ever called me that. No, I for sure has. Now, I for sure. Someone on T and TNT, bro.

We know about Zion's actually. Okay, okay, okay. We're, we're wild, we're walling. Listen, guys, it's late. It's late. This is the end. Everybody's just delusional at this point. One more game.

The Los Angeles. Clippers versus the Portland Trailblazers. There's two more games, actually. This is another two more games. To be clear with everybody, we start recording while the Trailblazers were playing the Clippers. We can't comment on it. We don't fucking know what happened. Do we've been recording while it's happening?

That is true. And the King squash the jazz. Real quick, Russell Westbrook was doing Russell Westbrook things and he looks like he's been continuing the positive production and the old Russ Westbrook things that we saw on a lower scale. uh since last season with the good good for him i hope we're supposed to have a good season nice yeah i'll take that out tomorrow i'll see what's going down that's the end of this section of the podcast it's time for tic-tock time time and today's to be a little different because we had to record ticot time yesterday because we knew tonight it was going to be a late night pod because we're going

to try to react immediately after wednesday's games so we're in time travel a little bit and i'm about to clap my hands and send you back to yesterday crayon eaters let's go all right so welcome to yesterday we're here a day before the first half of the podcast and now we're going to hit out some tictox y'all ready let's do it i love time travel tictox to be me too it's the best i love breaking the fourth wall as always we're going to start with the draft you know we got to get the blood flowing do our bread and butter and this time we're going to do a draft of NBA players that i've won rookie of the year let's go i'm going for back-to-back wins everybody said that won the last one pretty pretty convincingly i'm i'm coming for it coincidentally this time

number one pick so you're off to a good start love to hear it you're going to make it work you start a dynasty so yeah exactly the order as you see on the screen donovan first me second mo your third honestly not a bad one to be third in so i guess it's not the worst thing in the world i ain't trimmed too hard i'm ready to cook so let's draft NBA lineups with only players who have won rookie of the year where you go first donovan all right so with my first pick give me LeBron James. I'm surprised you didn't pick Jordan. Oh, okay.

That's crazy. I need, listen, I feel like I know where kind of everybody else is going. I'm trying to, you know, project forward on what I'm going to need on the back end. So I had to get that all around playing. This is the first time. I wanted Jordan over Braun giving to me for second pick. Where are you going, Mo? All right.

Cool. So for the third pick, go ahead and give me, give me KD. Okay Versatile pick I believe Versional pick I see it Yeah and then

For the Sikas O D space Damian Lillard What the fuck Yeah I need a lot of space There's a lot of bigs in here too But I see the big I want So you just gave Isaac

Okay you got it Isaac Go ahead Go ahead All right So Give me Tim Duncan Give me an all time great Oh

that's not where I thought you were going what do you want cream no I was I was going to take the most dominant player ever give me shack in my center oh you can have them wow okay yeah give me give me shack at my center and then hmm you know what we're going to put lebron at the point guard because at my at my three give me larry bird okay I see it for my center you got the most dominant center. I'll just take the best one. Give me Kareem. Wow.

Okay. Nice. He's not, he's not guarding a drop step. I'm letting you know that right now. I'll let Tim Dunk and handle that. He'll be fine. You got me.

You got me. My bad. I'm dead. All right. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to actually put Katie at the four and at the five. Give me David Robinson. It's a good pick. Okay

Yeah Solid And then I got my two I need a two And I need a three So Dame is still crazy By the way

I just I just want to put that out there He's nuts He's gonna have A generational season Trust Okay All right

All right And then Yeah And then At my three You go ahead And give me Vince Carter Okay

I see that There's not a lot Of wings left I respect that Listen I don't think I need a strong three i don't think i need a lot of size at three so i'm going to push jordan there and put luka at my two i've i was wondering when you were going to go look it because i knew you were

going to get him but that's okay that's solid that's solid all right at my at my two give me the dynamic duo that's already played you know i love doing this give me kairi at my two okay and then at my four see this is tough i need a little bit of everything i feel like i need a little bit of everything i feel like I need a little bit more defense. This is, this is going to be weird. It's going to be weird. Don't sell, don't sell. I feel like, dang, this sucks.

I feel like I might sell. I feel like I might sell. You know what? Cat is right there. Just do it. No, I'm just, that's, that's even worse. You know, just give me Chris Weber at my four, but just going to keep it rolling.

Ew. I know. I know. I guess she didn't sell, but it could have been better. It could have been better. I got no room to talk Let's go And my point guard

I got plenty of size Got plenty of buckets Got the best rim defense Possible I need three and D in my point guard Give me Chris ball I knew you're going that You're too readable

Damn it My squad is filthy All right A little bit more shifting I need I need another ball hand there And I need more defense Someone who fits that mole

perfectly Is Ben Simmons So I gotta shift my entire lineup This is Ben Simmons and did me a little like Come on man I did it Meanwhile we all have five Hall of Famers I did it

All right You did do it You did something I promised you that Listen put me in 2K And I probably have the most fun lineup to play with Fun? Sure for sure

I'll give you that That's what I was for I don't know if Ben Simmons is fun to play with in 2K but I guess, no, like he, listen, he's 6-10, right? When he's out there, he can run and don't. Like, this is, exactly. This is a very good black top team. This is peak Ben Simmons.

We're talking about rookie of the year, Ben Simmons right here. So they ain't much better, you guys. That's peak Ben, bro. I don't know what is peak Benz? You lost me. You lost me right there. What else is peak Ben, bro? I don't know.

All NBA Ben Simmons, 2019? Like, there's better versions. I don't know, man. They didn't have no magic comparisons back then. It was all in this rookie here. After that, she went down a little. I love it. All right.

So my full team, Chris Paul, Luca Donchich, Michael Jordan, Tim Duncan, Kareem Abdul Jabbar. Nice. See, that's good.

I'm attacking your back court every time. I'm attack. C.P. He can't hold Kyrie. He can't do it. He can't do it. He couldn't guard step for a decade. He doesn't know what to do with Kyrie.

All right So I'm a point guard I have LeBron I have Kyrie at my two Larry Brett at my three Chris Weber at the four And then Shaq at the five It's not teres

Weber and Kyrie are You're not winning The talent war But it may be fit You got it Chris Weber and Kyrie That's interesting All right so my one

I got Ben Simmons At my two Dame three Vince Carter Four KD And I'm my five David Robinson It comes to fit

This is probably the best fit here yeah then you just notice that there's Ben Simmons in the lineup all right let's relax all right

Ben Simmons look I don't like the way you talk about him right now and I don't want to back him up

God I don't want to stand on them yeah I'm probably no sir not me but when we're taking

the 15 best players of all time damn here I don't know what Ben Simmons should be sniffing a lineup

You should be I'm looking at the rim pressure. The spacing is art. Is it? It's okay. It's okay. Listen, either way,

you didn't win. So it's going to be okay. I won in my heart. He said, listen, we all run our own race and I'm finishing in first place. Corny.

All right, next thing we're going to do, last or two weeks ago now we graded some NBA City jerseys when they were all just leaks while yesterday they all well let me not say released they leaked but like the official leaks

the official images so we have access to all of them so today we're going to grade 12 more NBA City jerseys it was a terrible day yesterday because I saw a lot of them this was tough it's not a good collection of uniforms

it's not a good collection of clothes or designs colors anything nothing's good about it but they're here the only thing good about it is the fact that we get to make content on the back end of us that's literally the only thing

because these are trash he's the trash alright man let's grade more NBA City jerseys where we see first first up the Denver Nuggets come on man

come on they win an NBA championship and they get a rewarder like this it's disgraceful bro take back the championship numbers on numbers in the front that's come on yeah exactly if I was a fan I wouldn't be able to enjoy the ring anymore like the ring ceremony is going to happen tonight and I'm just going to be sad because I know this

is coming in two days when I saw to see my team wear this jersey it's terrible this is like this is like the heat culture one where they lean too far into it Denver we understand you guys are very high up above the ground relax relax we don't need to see this on the front of the jersey you don't need another exactly 5,280 feet high honestly nerds you nerds you nerds He did it off the jersey by 20 years. This is definitely a nerd thing. Who thought this is cool? The number,

everything about it is bad. You can't see the mountains. Number on number, it looks like crap. The numbers on the top are too high. It's just awful. F. This is worse than an F in my book, bro.

Disgraceful. There might be worse, though. So I'm going to hold off on that like worse than F. There's like five jerseys on here that we can honestly argue are the worst jersees in the league and some of the worst of all time. Has it ever been this bad?

No, no, we've never had this many badgers in the league at once. I ain't going to lie, bro. They're shooting like peak, hardened playoff numbers, bro. Like, they're going 8, 4.30 type shit. Is that egregious? He's blocking the shot from the back. That could have got weird. Next up, the New Orleans Pelicans.

Another egregious one. What the fuck is this? This is very topical, though. It feels like a Halloween jersey. Exactly. Right? Why is New Orleans getting a Halloween jersey? You know, voodoo.

That's all I have. That's all I have for you, you know. No, this shit is shredded at Coraline. This is awful. Have you seen Princess and the Frog? They'd be doing the, you know, the little magic stuff. This kind of plays into it. They have the green.

I'm trying to see the vision. I don't know. But this is so far off the path. It's awful. I don't even know how they could have even gotten here. There is no identity in this jersey whatsoever Zero That's one thing I could say for sure

Yeah zero identity The identity is Ninja Turtles Now that is dope Now that is dope Listen I'm kind of a Ninja Turtles fan So I'm not gonna give it an F So I'm gonna give it a D Yeah your mind

You gotta say this is a C to be honest You shouldn't have said anything about the Ninja Turtles Those are my guys We've seen it Have you seen the movie? Have you seen the movie? Put this bitch on a Ninja Turtle and we said All right, next up

We got the Los Angeles Lakers I think How do you feel about Because you love black jerseys And I feel like they fumbled right here I'm gonna say it Three P for Fs This is horrible

This is terrible I hate this jersey as a Lakers fan Why is that end so high up Look at that shit Look at the end in the top It's so high Please get into your graphic design bag Tell me more about why this

trash. Black Lakers jerseys only work when there's no purple. The best one, the Mamba jerseys, just black and yellow. Black, purple, and yellow together looks terrible. The text placement is all jumbled up together. The N is stupid high. Nothing about it flows. Nothing about it looks smooth. It's just all trash. Another F. This man be on camera working. He knows the thinking too about this graphic disaster. This is terrible. Well, what do you think? Oh, man, it's like, I feel like when I look at this jersey and the placement of these words, you ever like had those magnetic, the alphabetic, alphabetic magnetics on your fridge? I feel like I've been placing that shit.

That's so good. Like it's like so misplaced, so unorganized. I'll get my ass beat as a kid if I did this shit, bro. Yeah. My mom used to punish me if I didn't put my words in order and this is all over the place, bro. Let's dissect that a little more. Let's talk about my childhood trauma. No, this shit is giving me childhood trauma

Fucking after the fact I hate this It's like this is so close to be ass But it's not an F to me There's worse, I feel like This isn't There's depths of F This might be at the top of the F tier

But it's still still left here I just do it Fucking F dear Next up We got the Atlanta Hawks I I saw something yesterday Is that Times New Roman?

this is this is straight just like a high school a high school paper this is an essay like that's the font this is this is weird and also why is the ATL a different color than the five like just make it the same color on the front just keep it together it's no I don't I don't see the vision with this Martin Luther King two chains

take off little baby future young thug nobody in the history of Atlanta Jimmy Carter, throw out names. They're rolling in their graves over this, bro. This is crazy. What does this mean to an AT alien like me? This is disrespect.

This is like a Memphis, O.C. Jersey. You just call yourself an AT&A. Appalling. He's a Mars Luther King. Jimmy Carter. What the fuck is this jersey? No. Can't stand.

Oh my God. Y'all want to know something? I kind of like it. Of course. you do. I kind of like it. Of course it's unique, but it's like not for the culture of Atlanta, though. Like, it's cool, but not here.

You don't got shit to do Atlanta. It's kind of boring. I get it. I kind of like it. I don't know what it low key reminds me of. It looked like, and maybe it's just the color of the five. It kind of reminds me of the cream city jersey that Milwaukee had a couple years ago. Because it's soft.

It's kind of the same. It's probably just because of the color. Because it's soft. You're saying this jersey's bitch made? Yeah, exactly. Like, what are you trying to say about? Like, who, someone who made this jersey has nothing to do with Atlanta, bro. I don't know who was in charge of this project, but they need to be out of the building.

Yeah, it's a lowercase ATO. Don't type in lowercase in Atlanta. This is definitely a corporate jersey. This is made on a spreadsheet. Charlotte's Web jersey. It's not asked, though. I have to say, I can't lie. It's not trash.

It'll be much better if it was another city. But for that, I think this might be a seat. I'll give a C minus They should have just kept the MLK jerseys, bro We're set for life That was all time Said up Martin Luther King Little Tucci

And then immediately he said take off Baby No Jimmy Carter threw me for a loop What the fuck MOK and take off Same impact Next up The Phoenix Suns

Every year we talk about this, the NBA does something to offend the Mexicans this is it. This is it, right? They keep trying to big up, you know, the Hispanic population. They keep messing around with them. This is bad. This is bad.

This jersey is modeled after Devin Booker's cars. Are you serious? Devin Booker likes old schools and that pattern on the side is from his car. But that's lame. Oh my gosh. The pattern on the side makes it worse. That's terrible.

You ever see in 2K when there's like expansion teams, like fake teams people make And they make like custom jerseys with the 2K builder This is the type of jersey that pops out just hell of colors Hell of colors No, this is bad No direction Just where is this baby blue coming in from? Why are why have the sun started to introduce this color into their color scheme? I don't hate it. It's fine

I'll give it a C I think it's decent If the 35 ain't have no dumbass gradient and instead it was white then that would be a C for me. I think the text looks cool is that's the only thing saving it from being asked to me. If this, I don't know. I don't know.

I feel like if this color away was on like a shoe or something, it might be a little bit better. But everything put together on this jersey just isn't, it's not coming together for me. I'll give it like a C. Out of all the jerseys

that have been pandering to Mexicans lately, this is the best one. 100%. I, listen, what did the Clippers do this year? Because they are notorious oh my goodness.

For trying to offend the Mexicans. They left us alone. tell you that they've been done they don't want to play with us anymore next up the Washington Wizards yeah I don't think any of us have words to describe how bad this is I have words

the single worst jersey in sports history this is insane this strange things ass jersey fucking runescape ass jersey world of Warcraft all that awful this is world of world the Warcraft jersey. This is in

D.C., dude. The federal, the government needs to investigate this. Fuck, all the other issues we have in our country. What is going on at the heart? This is it. Kyle Kuzma looking like he serves the Lord of Light. Like, you shot to win the game with him. This is crazy. Here he, here he.

Ew. I just imagine that. My lady. Unhand me when someone follows his ass. Trads, bro. I don't even got to say F. It's obvious. This is just like the purest of F. Yeah,

this is by far the worst of the year. It's the worst of all time, I think. I don't think you've ever had a worst city jersey than this. I don't know. That Mavs graffiti one. I'd rather, bro, there's dotted gradient.

Look at that shit. It's the worst gradient you can imagine. It's grainy gradient. But here's the thing, is this worse or is that heat culture won worse? That one was actually bad. This, look at that falling. Y'all are arguing over.

Y'all are arguing over trash and garbage. I don't know which one to pick. Give me anything over this wizard jersey. This is atrocious. Let's move on me. Next up, the San Antonio Spurs. Ooh, this is a Scooby-Doo type jersey. This is kind of hard.

This is kind of cool. This is hard. I'm fucking a heavy. I'm giving it an A. This is my favorite one of the bunch. Honestly, if the whole 30, this is number one. It's easily an A? Yeah, we'll do that.

We'll do that. I'll give it an A. This is good. Yeah. It's got like that 70 show fog. It's real retro looking. I fuck with it heavy. It feels Western.

with the little font. I'm not going to do it. The font kind of gives me SpongeBob vibes. They can have Wendy. It's so simple, fun. You don't have a great day.

Great game if you wear this jersey. Exactly. San Antonio knew. They said, listen, Wemby's coming in, we can't play around. We have to have them looking good every single night.

And if they have a matching court with this, it's going to be gorgeous. You thought Adam Silver wouldn't get the city right, bro? Trust me. This is probably like V-80. All right, next up The Boston Celtics Not bad

I don't like the little Like wood paneling on the on the side I just put it in a straight line Oh is that wood That's what I think it is It looks like a little hardwood type thing That's interesting But yeah I think it'll be better without it probably

If you just put it in a straight line Instead of like the little You know bent thing But it's not it's not bad The little 42 A little like you know Irish font or whatever At least it's just as yours

she looks normal. Most of them look like complete bullshit. This is a regular jersey with their regular colors and regular designs. So it got to be a B. It's so hard to mess up a Boston Celtics Jersey. And I'm happy that I didn't do that. That would have been a fucking insane effort to this is so simple. I like it. It's cool. I like to drop that minimum. They didn't come out here with bikini bottom bullshit. So it's decent. Be for competence. All right next up. The Cleveland Cavaliers. People really hate this one. How do y'all feel?

What's that on the... It's like some of a regal pattern. It's almost like it's a majestic looking. Honestly, if the 4-5 was just in a straight line, listen, I might have to be like Mo's mom. You put those numbers in a straight line. You're going to have a problem. Because if they change that to make the 4-5,

just very simple, I think I would like it. But it looks very childish. fish. I kind of like this one. People hate it. Like people really hate this one. And I don't know why. It's not terrible. It's not terrible.

It looks like regal. It looks dope. It looks like kings. Like it looks dope. I don't know. It's, it's all right. It's not crazy.

It's like bottom of the B tier. Tauvin a C. High B or low B for sure. Yeah. I'll say. It's not trash though. It's simple. As it should be.

I thought with it. We'll go B. Next up. The Utah Jazz. This is nice. This is nice. This is how you make a city jersey that actually feels like it's representing the city and the franchise of history and is a modern rendition of something classic. This is what every team should be doing.

Not a lot of people are proud to be from Utah, but if I was from Utah, I'd be proud of this shit right here. I am repping it every day. This is a game something to live for for another year. Absolutely. What? That's hard. Listen, listen, those, the frat boys. BYU are rocking this heavy

Listen They're gonna be dressing They're gonna be They put on They're putting a wilt numbers With this jersey on And I can't hate I can't even hate

Game recognized game I'm sorry Hey This is easy A bro Maybe S actually Should be S actually To be honest Compared to the competition

It's up there With San Antonio For the best one I think I think this is better That's fair All right next I agree We got the Clippers.

All right. Barf. Move on. This is like a wizard's jersey. It does. Was Michael Jordan wearing this? This is nuts. They don't know what they're doing out there.

They don't know how to construct a team. They don't know how to build an aura. They don't know how to make jerseys. They don't know how to be a cool or competent franchise. So once again, to the Clippers, you get an F. This is terrible. It looks like a toothpaste. brand I'm just like yo how can you go with the clips and then completely change up the

font of the two like that's so much it's so fucking angular it's just so like I don't know why but I feel like this this shirt gives me Futurama bender type vibes just like I don't know why it's so it looks like a dentist office this is crazy it's like someone said it looks like a local barbershop it's so true this is a local barbershop sign oh facts it's not great clips this just clips it's hard yeah oh god I can imagine this being the little thing that they put over me when they cut my hair for sure that'll be hard

haircuts yeah F easily yes F all right next up the Philadelphia 76ers this is why Joel and B's getting traded in like a year bro this is why he's gone big facts big facts

this made him give up hope for the city creed would be disappointed why are the text so little and they're so stupidly placed why are they both shifted to the left on top of each other

like maybe do one top left one bottom right something this just looks awful this this is one of those jerseys where whenever we make our argument for why city jersey shouldn't be a thing

this comes up on the PowerPoint right this is this is what we point to and we're like hey you have millions of people trying to wear this every night you have to stop the embarrassment, right? You have to save yourself and give yourself some pride, something to stand up for, something to believe in. This doesn't make me want to do any of that. We have to

get rid of this. You have to abolish city jerseys. Why the hell what I wear? That's terrible. That's bad. I'm actually like disappointed in my soul. Like this is a real concern for the NBA about how bad these jerseys are. This makes me agree with the old heads and think that we need to abolish graphic design and just go back to jerseys with big blocky letters of one color. Just keep it simple we need to get rid of Photoshop oh he said

yo motherfucker's too dumb stick to the basics yeah I don't know why I'd wear I don't know why anyone wear a jersey that states City of brotherly love on it what does that mean

that should be in the locker room thing why is it all my jersey that's their city slogan but like it doesn't it's too many words for a jersey it's ass I think that's our last one

so we can move on, but these... Thank you. We're going to react to the next 10 next week. We're going to go... I've suffered enough. I've suffered enough for today. So the next thing we're going to do, we're going to do another staple of the show.

We're going to hit our tier list for the week. We're going to put NBA superstars into a tier list and just get a lay of the league and see how we're putting that best players in the league up against each other. Okay. Let's do it. It's going to be interesting convo. Exactly.

Probably be some slanderous takes in here. We'll see how it goes. Oh, listen. We're getting the hate off. That's what we do. So one thing about me. Exactly. That's a major part of our bag.

It's superstars slanted. So let's get into it. Yeah, man. Let's put these NBA superstars into a tier list. First off, which one we're going to do first? First off, Steph Curry. S tier. S tier.

Still cream of the crop even when he's 35 years old. No matter the way you slice it, bro. He is one of, if not the best player in the NBA. On any given night, he could be the best player on the court. spicy so yeah he's step curry it you can't there's no way you can exclude him out of the conversation after year after year after year and how much he's improved his game in different aspects especially has since he's been older so for sure next up nicola yokech oh this is this is the best player in the NBA yep the actual best player this is the conversation step's in the conversation

steff's in the conversation he's number one right now 100% listen to two MVP's in three years coming off of a finals MVP championship. We all have Yogid rising up our all-time list. He's 100% S-tier, superstar. Exactly. He's in the middle of an all-time peak right now, and we're seeing it continue in real time. You've got to give him the recognition.

Max. Next up, Joel Embed. He's not S-tier. Can't be. He can't be. He can't feel the A-tier, either. He kind of felt a C either. Really?

Okay. I mean, MVP season, he deserves to be, like, above average for a superstar, but, you know, he's never succeeded in the playoffs, not once. Not once is crazy. That means a lot. I'm cool with it. I'm cool with it. We've, because this is consistent. We've established that that was a Mickey Mouse MVP.

And so I'm good having him at C in this tier list. Even if you think it's a very well-deserved, like, super respectable MVP, literally every year fails in the playoffs because his body can't hold up, because he chokes, whatever reason. it is until we see him do something productive in the playoffs he can't be hired than Z. That's fair. Shards Joel, though. Everything against you. All right.

Next up, Luca Donchich. This is hard. He might be A. We'll go, ah, we'll go B. Listen, listen, the Mavs, they got Kari, and they started losing more games last year, which is insane, right? On paper is crazy. Exactly.

All the other guys in the S and A. A tier, they are like the cream of the crop. Lucas still has a little bit left to prove. So I'll put him at B for now. Yeah. He's not there just yet. He's one of the few players where you can put him around shit and he'll somehow still be an okay team.

That's just the nature of his game. So he should be no lower than B. And also, he's had plenty of fantastic playoff moments. So, you know what I'm saying? That lines him at B for sure. Yeah. And we all know he has talent to probably hit S eventually. We're just kind of waiting for the accomplishments to match that.

Exactly. 100%. next up devon booker he was an MVP convos a couple years ago so that's not an MVP that's not an MVP

this guy might deserve to be third place is an MVP convos so should you be in C because that's the range I'm kind of feeling no way in hell he's I don't think so he's put he's made deeper runs than Joelle and Bede what that's right

he's also gotten blown out every single time that he's on the on the Because if they are in a if they are in a knockout game, you can count on Demen Booker and the Suns to lose by 25 or more True. We're going D. I'm going D. Listen, he's like the 10th or 11th best player in the league. He's barely a superstar. So I think D is fine B is so kind of crazy to me. I'm not going to lie, but I mean, we're ranking him against other superstars though. Exactly. Yeah. It's not like he's standing in the league. It's yeah compared to the cream of the crop I think sometimes he deserves to be the cream of the crop. Oh.

Sometimes. I mean, like, listen, when he's on, yeah, but like, again, you're losing by 25 every time it's an elimination game. So step up. Lose by single digits and you can be C. Yeah, but at the same time, that's like every, literally everyone around him is not like he completely sits the bed. Like Joelle and Bede, he actually rises. He tends to rise to the occasion more often than not. We can agree to that

So for sure You know like him covering up a lot of his holes too in his game and improving in a lot of those weak areas I don't know I feel like he deserves C he deserves C in minimum but I digress we could do D I digress good word Alright next up Janus Antona cumpo also S also S tier Yep He finished with him Curry and Yokic are the best three players in the league whatever order you want Facts yeah it's it's a it's a

simple. We don't even have to talk about it like that. Exactly. He's Yon. Everyone, everybody respects Yonis at this point of his career. He's him. Next up, Paul George. Also D-2. What? He should be F. He should be F. Oh, okay. I love

him, but he should be F. He's not on the same level of his D book. Sure not. You ain't got to tell me twice. Okay. Him being consistently hurt over the last few years sets him back, not seeing any type of success. The stats are not like that either. So it's like, What has he done to be in the same range as someone like Devinbrook or Joel and B.

You know what I'm saying who's... I mean, he finished third in MVP voting a couple years ago. That was like 2018, bro. What? Holy shit. That was two presidents ago. Oh, my gosh. Holy shit.

Yeah, nah. Uh-uh. He don't deserve that for sure. Yeah. I love him, though. You could argue he's not really a superstar. So I guess I mean you got to be. yeah he's not a superstar in my

yeah I'm good with that okay next up Kevin Durant I would say A tier I don't I don't

A tier what is he done since he left the Warriors to be A tier I mean there's Kevin Durant so I don't want to disrespect the talent he's obviously one of the best players

of all time but current day old man Kevin Durant that always gets hurt that hasn't led his team to anything of significance since he left the Warriors he might I mean, Kevin Durant is still, though, he's still one of the most malleable

superstars in terms of you can put him anywhere, he's going to improve any offense, and you don't even have to like change anything that you're doing to fit him in. He's just going to go in, give you 30 on 50% shooting. It's just going to be one of the most efficient bucket getters of all times. And he does, listen, he does have the rings. He has some finals MVP, so and no one cares about that. We're talking today, though. We're talking like current day. season. When it talks, when it comes to thinking about Kevin Durant, like, including today and also like what he had done over the last few years.

If he's to do not see, he's too far. The highlight of his career is being number one seed before it all imploded or looking nice for like 15 games with Kyrie and Hardin. Like that's the consistency of this career. I don't, to me, he's a B. Listen, I don't blame him last year for losing to the Nuggets. They got outmatched by the best team in the league. He played up and down, but largely fine.

year before that, when he got curbstomp by the Celtics I blame him for that shit That shit was not impressive I think I think obviously he's S in his prime A as of a few years ago I think this year What is he 36 years old

He never plays full seasons anymore Can't get to the rim I think he's B Okay I was trying to give people respect We're out here hating my bad My bad I have to step it up

I have to step it up I know that's all me right next up Damian Lillard F tier now I'm playing nah probably what

B like same level maybe C I'll probably say C or B to be honest with you probably see though I think C's a fair range like obviously no one ever thinks

he's going to have any type of playoffs success because he was in the pits of Portland and then on he's a great player you know what I'm saying but he's he hasn't done

to show for it Over the last 10 years of his NBA career, what has changed? Absolutely nothing. He just grew a beard. Yeah, not really his fault because, like he said, he was in those pits deep. But, yeah, I mean, you can't put him on the same tier as KD. I don't think. I think KD is just a better player, even at his diminished age.

Same thing with Luca. And B's also a better player, but he's down here for being a fraud in the playoffs. I think he works. Yes, he's perfect range of him. No one has ever had those type of expectations for Dane, sadly. Yeah. All right. Next up, LeBron James.

This is hard. LeBron is, is even, even right now, and I don't care what anything, like, I don't care what he looks like this year. He's above S. He's in a different category of superstars. He's in a different tier. So let's put him in that, so let's just keep moving. Like, I'm okay.

Wow. And realistically, it's just different. It's just different. Outside of the, he's the goat. He can't be S. He's not top three player in the league. Can he still be A? That's the conversation.

Would you rather have him Playoffs come around Would rather have him Than Luca Donchich When he's healthy Absolutely Like that's the only Of course pivoting the conversation

And when he's healthy I would probably Rather have him Outside of maybe two or three players In the entire NBA And those two or three players Are an S tier So I think A is like the perfect range

For him considering literally Anything and everything He brings to the NBA court And you know I'm saying Defense he's not a liability either People are gonna hate this Because people were like, after last playoffs when he was playing injured, clearly, people were like so quick to be like, oh, he's done. Maybe he's not a top 10 player anymore.

And sure, the injuries have become an issue. Maybe they'll keep happening. Maybe we'll see this year that he just can't say healthy anymore. Maybe he's on KD time where I'm saying he can't play a full season. But when he's healthy, we all still know that he is S-tier level good. So I think A is fair, but I give him credit without too much credit. That's fair because I'm on both sides of that argument. I do think that, I do think that, like, he can't play a full season and that, like, that expectation is done.

But if we come to a seven game series and everybody's healthy, I would trust him as much as I do, Steph, Yonis, and Yolkich. Yeah. So that, like, that's why, like, if we're, and it's, it's LeBron. So that's why I'm just like, all, let's just put him in us. But A-Sue. Yeah. And it's hard because you're just, you're getting credit off of, like, fucking aura vibes. But, like, it's LeBron.

Like, it's hard to, you can't look past the intangibles with LeBron, you know. I mean. Exactly. All right. Next up, Jason Tatum. I'll go A. I'll go A.

Obviously, like, listen, obviously the championship is not there. But outside of, honestly, consistent runs there. Out of everybody on this list, his team has consistently either been in the finals or the conference finals in each of, like, the last five years. Like, the consistent winning that he's been able to contribute to

is you just, don't see it a lot these days. So I'll give him that respect. I'll put him at A. I think he's probably more, it's probably besides Yannis, the most consistent two-way impact. Yeah, I can agree.

The defense is always there on a consistent, on a consistent basis. Of course, he's going to get you his routine 25 to 30 in night, whatever way you want to slice it. And I think he does, I think A is a perfect spot for him. Now at this point in his NBA career, people are waiting if he'll ever get to that upper echelon

of the S tier. So I don't know But at the same time I don't feel like he's better than Luca Yeah you're oh that is true That is true I definitely don't think he's better than Luca I think damn

Well Luca But we know We've already said Luca has S tier talent But he's in B because The wins have not followed The wins have followed for Jason Tatum So he gets that bump

But at that point we're penalizing him For organizational issues And I don't think that's right I mean part of that is always Part of that is, he's the difference. The difference here between Luca and Joelle is they failed largely because of his inability to play at his level in the regular season.

That's never been the issue to Luca. So I don't know if we can ding him in the same way we do, Joel or something like that. Yeah, exactly. I honestly think we probably shouldn't move Luca to B now because I'm so happy to roll. They missed the playing. But it's not his fault.

Come on, we know it's not his fault. It's a new team. They added a dynamite and Kyrene to the mix. It didn't mesh. the first 11 games. We know that's nothing to do with Luca's ability. They're relying on Dwight Powell.

What do you want him to do? I understand that. The Thunder made the play in as an under 500 team. You didn't even have to be 500 to make the playing and you missed it after getting Kyrie Irving.

You can't be an A this year. Maybe you can be that the All-Star break. Not right now. You put Luca on that OKC team take out Shea and they're probably in the second round of the playoffs at minimum, bro. That team is great.

Great. Listen, if Chris Middleton doesn't get hurt, the bucks win. If KD doesn't get hurt, the worst. We could do ifs all day. What I know is that the Mavs didn't make the playing after getting an all-star player. Yeah. You're saying getting an all-star player like it was a pro when clearly it was a negative for the time being because they couldn't mess with that and like it just threw a dynamite into their team.

So I don't necessarily think that's like a you should automatically be better with this. That's why they got worse. It wasn't because of Lucas. Not even better. Maintain. Maintain. You literally got worse. You got worse.

And it's y'all too. Like, you guys should be able to win a game. I just, it's hard for me to see a lot of other teams with much less talent who are also under 500, make the play in and you are not able to do that. It's not about talent, though. It's like, if it was all about talent,

then the fucking Lakers West or Westbrookuto went to the NBA finals and shit, you know what I'm saying? But they just added the wrong type of piece immediately, you know? I'm saying so it's like okay so here's the thing do we want to move Luca up or move Tatum down we keep it as it is what do you mean no no we cannot be the same we cannot be the same you think I think Tatum is better than with this way that's what you're saying I've told you that I think Tatum is winning MVP this year so for this season yeah see the thing is Luke is obviously better than Tatum whatever keep your MVP's take

it doesn't matter Lucas obviously better than Tatum but Tatum's also obviously better at winning with this current team he has than Luke is so I think that puts him on the same tier you know each one gets a rung for each so are we putting them both in A or both and B let's put Luke up up bump him up one

I think that's that probably makes it but then I feel like we're doing Katie a little wrong now you're disrespecting Kevin he deserves to get disrespectful bro he's looking he's going from super team to super team to super team and you're still failing on a consistent basis now somebody that is not your

fall you old you 36 pushing 37 with that goddamn hair but at the same time it's like bro like you're in control of your future and you just haven't done Lucas in control of every game what are we talking about he holds the ball more to anybody he's in control of every single game if you say that if you say that KD has control of his entire situation right and you're not giving Luca the same thing what do we like Lucas should not be on the he shouldn't be on level and and we can skip Tatum he shouldn't be on LeBron's level so drop him back down I don't know I mean LeBron's old I don't know I think it's fair you cannot tell me that Luca has control when they fucking his wing pieces his key wing pieces Reggie

Bullock out there again 35 minutes a night that is sick you kidding me bro that Luca would be blessed a lot of young superstars a lot of young stars in NBA are jealous of what Tatum has and what with the Seldiff had built on a consistent basis, bro. He had that opportunity. Just take Luke off the board. He's TBD. He's TBD.

We don't know yet. I think we're out voting, Donovan. I think Luke was A. This is terrible. There we go. Let's do it. This is awful.

Last one, Anthony Davis. Solid B tier. B tier, okay. Yeah. I mean, Embed passed him up. He's in the MVP conversations every year. I don't care about that.

Embed B fails. And B fails in the playoffs every single year. But he also fails in the one option and Anthony Davis gets to play with LeBron James. I don't care. He fails. They're both very similar. Like, they're both brittle.

I think Anthony Davis has to be C at best, I think. I think C is the perfect range of him. He's the only one here with the luxury of being the second option. Besides Booker now, I guess. Yeah, exactly. I think C is a perfect place for all the wild inconsistencies whether it be your organization

is too damn wild and you have no expectations or it's just like you're that volatile as a player for X amount of reason. I mean he's also the second best defender on this list though so like second I guess you have yeah arguably the first him and Janice are neck and neck is like two of the best defenders in the league that's what I'm saying so

the imb playoff failures is just it really stinks it up and we the only reason why he's at sea is because he got that in which we all have agreed is like probably should have went to yokech and so if we're just looking at like last year and even what we're projecting for this year i think anthony davis might be on a different level than mbd no come on i can't get right with that i can't get right with that i want

to but that's just you're being a little bit with that you be a little bit i don't care a little bit I don't care of the time I care a little bit though Think about what Think about everything that we're saying right now Joel and B Average like 30 in 10 last year Had a whole bunch of like

In and Out stuff with Maxie with Hardin All of that And he is one of the rare people in NBA history That makes you not care about the MVP award It's literally the best player in the league for that year And because he got it, you're like Nah like it just doesn't it doesn't mean as much that's true

he's doing that that's because of him needless to say I think Anthony Davis has to be C at best just yeah he hasn't doesn't it's a one option that that means a lot I can't believe you're having that conversation

Donovan that's so crazy to me I'm so low I'm so low first of all I told you guys I listened I came in I started slow I didn't know we were hating like that I had to ramp it up I just step up

my game you guys inspired me so thank you I think this is pretty perfect That's the tier list I don't know why we put Paul George on here Looking back We just shouldn't have put Paul George on the list Kawhi should have been on here

I forgot to put Kawhi So comments I just forgot about Kawhi Leonard It's the only reason that on here He's not a super sorry Oh my god Whatever man There it is

We can move on to the next video I've got a few more left in us Before you get out of here Next thing we're going to do Run back at the old topic We've done a million times Old versus new. This time, we're going to talk about some shooting guards.

So, real simple, which NBA shooting guard is better? Old or new? First off, Devin Booker versus Vince Carter. Listen, Vince Carter, he has all the highlights. He's not Devin Booker. He's not the score that Devin Booker was. I have to give DeBook his respect. Yeah, I agree.

Vince Carter is one of the most talented players that accomplished basically nothing as one option. It's true. Well, look, that is, that is some impressive feat to reach. You're one of the best in the league, but you've done absolutely nothing. That's so hard to do, but that's a predicament he was in, bro. That is the Joellen Bede recipe. One of the best.

Has it done anything? Yeah, and listen, it's not like Devin Booker's been out here winning rings either, but I think, you know, production for production, they're close enough. Devin Booker did have the finals run, which I think was impressive for his age. I'm comfortable giving him the nod, especially when we think that he's going to keep getting better. Yeah, exactly.

Agreed. Love it. Vince Carter wasn't on those next team that made the finals, where is he? I don't think so off the top of my head. Am I talking out of my ass? Did he make the finals?

I think he did, though. Look at us, casuals. I know. I just remember, like, am I talking on my ass? That'd be hilarious if he did. I'm pretty sure he did. Let's see. Did Vince Carter make a final team?

No, we didn't. We're good. We know ball. All right, next up. Donovan Mitchell versus Manu Genoobli. Oh, man. This is so interesting. Manu was so impactful for the limited role that he was given.

And he was the best at what he was asked to do. You know what I'm saying? And Donovan Mitchell, I don't think he has been the best at what he's been asked to do. but what he's been asked to do was so much harder to do exactly and Manu could have did more if he wasn't going to be and Manu easily could have stepped up and had a bigger role too if you wanted to chase numbers so I don't know

I'm going I'm going to manu I know that the stats are going to say Dimit's the athleticism is going to say Dimit and all that but like you guys said Manu Manu purposely went to the bench to do what the team needed right to help to help the team out if he wanted

to and if he was in another situation he could easily put up some some of the numbers comparable to what DeMitch is doing. He could have been an All-Star all the time, too, if he wanted to. If that was his goal, individual production, he could have found that somewhere. But he's a winner. That's so crazy to say. Now, Donovan Mitchell, I feel like if Donovan Mitchell didn't go out as sad as he did last season, then we probably have slightly different conversations. If they at least make the second round, or wait, yeah, if they at least make the second round, then, you know what I'm saying?

We're having different conversations, but yeah, I think I might have to rule with mine. It feels kind wrong, though. Donovan's fantastic. He is great. So, that was Manu. I'm going Manu. It's it should be money. Fuck, Donovan. He's there as I respect. Just a while straight. Like, we're being

wild respectful. We got Prime Hardin versus Prime Tracy McGrady. This is Prime Hardin. As much as we don't like Hardin, yo Prime Hardin is genuinely one of the best

offensive players of all time. Speak for yourself. I love Prime Hardin. I'm bringing him easily. Give me the guy who's not only one of the best scores of all time in the regular season. I chose my words carefully, but also one of the best passers at the same time.

That's such a rare combination. I think it's him easily. On an actual NBA floor, give me Prime Hardin. On the 2K floor, give me Tracy McGrady. I can score 60 with Tracy McGrady like that

I'll take team back Tracy McGrady Cadood and 2K Hardin was doing that every other night in 2018 Fax, bro putting a what

36? Crazy as hell That man had multiple 50 point triple doubles in like a month long span It was ridiculous

As if that was normal bro A whole time That's insane We were so desensitized to it He legitimately broke the NBA

Yeah Our perception of points And assists were just completely out the door Because of James Hardin

Yeah exactly I never seen team back bend and break all the rules and have the NBA literally force rules into the game. I don't know of the fouling stuff, yeah. I forgot about that. All right. Next up

Anthony Edwards versus Ray Allen. This is tough because this is two very like different styles. He ain't no time. Get a bald ass head off of my screen. Give me Anthony Edwards. That is not tough. It is not tough. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I just kidding. Jesus shuttleworth was pretty nice.

Ray Allen was great. So thinking about this, projecting Anthony Edwards by the end of this year, Willie, I passed up Prime Ray Allen. I think it's very possible. Very possible, but we got to see it. I think Ray Allen maybe gets the, maybe Ray Allen still gets a nod, but I won't be shocked if another deep playoff run from Edwards, I said another like he's done it before.

But I won't be shocked if a deep playoff run from Edwards convinces me that he's better than Ray. Yeah, I can agree with that. I go, ah, this is tough. You know, I'll go aunt. I'll go aunt. Already? I don't know. You can't see Anto.

No, I'm like, not already, but I am projecting and I do, like, believe in him. And I do think that that's going to happen eventually. Maybe not like this year for the deep playoff front, but he's going to make a conference finals eventually. He's going to get to the finals. Maybe. I agree. I don't want to project, though, because Ray Allen is literally solidified into one of the great, into into the history of the NBA and multiple facets, whether it would be the shot that he made back in 2013. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah. And then doing what he did in Boston And just being one of the greatest shooters of all time But young Ray was probably as good as Ant was last year And wasn't like already top 10 players level I think Ray deserves it for now Yeah let's do it Ray Shout out to Ray Allen man

Shout out Ray Alright next video we got I'm gonna name two NBA players And you guys are gonna have to tell me Who you think is gonna score more points this season You know we're guessing who's gonna have the higher average by the end of the year higher p pg this is my bag your bag is points

per game yeah you're points for game that's crazy that is like peak crayon eater how to basketball guide how to indulge in basketball

you don't look at I can read basketball reference real good fuck that just going to points for game who average more you don't need basketball orphans if you're crown eater you just go

you just look at Google nice all right so which NBA player is going to average more points for game this year. Shea Gildas Alexander or Luca Donchitz. Ooh, this is tough. I'm going Luca just because it's him and Kyrie that are scoring the ball on that team.

Shea, they have a lot of other options. We think Giddy's making a jump. Chet's going to score a little bit. J. Dub's going to score. Lucas going to need to score for the Mavericks to be good. So I'll take him. Facts. Maybe Kyrie's taking some touches.

Maybe he's going to score. He's not going to hit that 34 points per game mark with the Kyrie there. They're both average 34. No, they got to make for, they got to make up for Derek lively, Grant Hill, and all the just that they have around there, bro. There is a lot of non-threats out there on the court with him. Yeah, exactly. And Shea has so many threats around him. Josh Giddy's going to give you anywhere from 15 to 18 points per game.

Lou Dorsa, pencil, a limit for a solid 8 to 10 points. And then Chet can give you 15. I don't know, I mentioned Lou before J-dub, but yeah. Yeah, I think J-dub is going to take like a star leap this year So maybe that maybe that'll slow down Shays production a little bit Pencilin, 17 points for J-dub At look at out just it is Next one

Anthony Edwards or Anthony Davis I gotta go with I have to go with With the number one option on a team And someone who's just better from the perimeter And is gonna is gonna take more threes Have more opportunities to be like the number one score every single night it's kind of easy for me

I don't know man Darwin Ham said he wants Anthony Edward shooting or Anthony Davis shooting 6 3s a game He won't want that once he sees the percentages He average 26 last year LeBron's only getting older

He's only going to want AD to carry more and more of a load I don't think it's crazy to think he's an average 26 again Do we think Anthony Edwards is a lock for 27 or more Yeah Is it? That's hard I don't know I mean, listen, I know, I know it's hard, but like,

full season of cat. Oh, day, I forgot about that. Yeah, I'll take AD. I'll take it. And it's not even about cat. I just like, no, I just like forgot about like the space. Yeah, you missed a last time last year. Yeah.

Yeah, that's true. Yeah, let's go ahead and go. I think Anthony Davis is the safer pick, but it won't be shocking at all. If Anthony Edwards comes out and average 28 or something. Yeah. Pencil me for AD. I think Edwards is a higher ceiling.

I'll say that. Agreed. Yeah, he could, if he put up 31. one, that would literally shock nobody. Not even a little bit. Next up, Steph Curry or Kevin Durant? Ooh, this is pretty easy in my opinion. Is it?

This is pretty easy, yeah, because Curry has like nobody. I don't want to say nobody on his team, but this team is definitely going to be more reliant on him than the wars or then the sons will be reliant on Katie as a score specifically. You know, they're going to rely on Katie for all the ball handling duties or for a lot of it compared to, you know, I'm saying, what they're going to rely on Steph for, you know,

they have CP there. So I think they're going to try to use him more as a buck getter a little bit. It would just make sense. Yeah. Actually, not. I disagree. I'm going with stuff. I'm going with stuff.

Steph, like, they, the words are going to need him. They're going to need stuff to be a score, like, per usual. And then especially now that like CP3 is there instead of Jordan Pool, CP3 is very past past first Facilitating first. Steph is getting them shots up this year. And can Katie average 30 with Beal and Booker both get than they're 25 plus?

I don't know. That's hard. That's hard to hold that many high level scores to continue to get the normal averages. Not having Jordan's a team Looky Woff anytime does a lot. It does a lot, bro. That, Curry it is. Speaking of the devil, Jordan Poole

or John Morant? It's probably going to be, it's probably going to be job, though. Probably a job. Average more points. Yeah, it's going to be job. I think, listen, Jordan Poole, in the same week that everyone was like, oh, he's going to show everybody, he's scored 41 and three points. What happened the very next night? He's going, he's going, he's going five or 17.

He's going to be so up and down that I think he's probably going to average around like 24, 25, somewhere around there. Once you try gets, gets back into that mix, he's scoring 27 a night. it's going to be his team, his offense, he's driving everything. I'm taking jaw. That's fair. I think, yeah, it's going to, we're going to need to see, like, an all-time great jump from Jordan Poole for him to be, like, easily the right answer here. And I think the key to, going to 20 to 26 is hard.

Yeah, and I think the key for him to that is to get to the rim a little bit more. And if you get to the room, then you invite more contact. So if he can get his free-to percentages up or his frito attempts up, then that might be. be a different conversation and I might lean towards Jordan Poole, averaging that nasty 28 points per game on 39% shooting from the field. Nice. All right, next one, Nicole Yokic or Damien Lillard? Ooh.

I normally, I think I'm... I think I'm going to still take game. I think I'm going to still take game, though. This is going to be, they're running the offense through them to. He's going to be as wide open as, well, is he going to be as wide open as he's ever been? maybe he's gonna be mad efficient though that is what I'm banking on I'm banking on the efficiency for for dame and so even in the second row I think he's still gonna score a lot I think dame is probably gonna take a little bit less shots because of the attention that

he'll garner even though he'll be more wide open I think yes this efficiency will jump but those attempts will go a little bit down so I might lean toward jokka to be honest with you I'll go dame but just barely I think yokech is going to have like a really strong scoring season from everything you've heard in the preseason it seems like he's going to come out like I just got the vibe he's going to come out more scoring oriented than he usually does so I think it'll be like 26.5 for yokitch and like 27.5 for dame that wouldn't shock me either yeah I think if anything yonis averages come down a little bit too not just dames I think they'll both average like 28

instead of over 30 yeah that's fair yeah and I mean if yokech was to you know what I'm saying score a solid 26 and a half or 25, then expect the dead Jamal Murray, like, official All-Star Leap coming, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, exactly. You don't surprise me. That one more. Jason Tatum or Janice, Antenacumpo.

I'm taking Tatum. Janus. I'm taking Tatum. Tatum? I think Tatum has a chance to win the scoring title this year. Yeah. Interesting. So he's got more offensive weapons and you think he's going to score more points? Yeah. What?

I think that's backwards thinking. It's going to be easy. It's going to be too easy for Jason Tatum. In baseball, you're playing a plumbers when say Trey Jim's Hardin for bag of chips. I think it'd be in my score 35 a night. I think Tateau has a legitimate chance to be up there, though. So I'm all late on Tateham this year.

Yeah, you are. I think he has a chance, but you have Drew Holiday who can easily give you winner from, he could easily give them like 15 and night, and then Perzingis is going to look, white man in that green. Jersey, you already know what happens. Plus 10 attributes across the board. He's not missing. So it's like, I might lean towards Luca. Like outside of, outside of Dame Middleton and

Brooke Lopez, he doesn't have to pass it out necessary to anyone else. And I think he's going to eat so much. So I'm going to go to Janus. Nice. Well, that's the last one. We're done here. The episode's over. Mo, if people were still here, tell us what they should comment. What should they comment? Subscribe to Isaac Gutierrez, Donovan, your YouTube channel, and also me. There you go. Subscribe to all of our personal laws. Don't comment that.

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