The Deep 3 Podcast - Are You Buying Or Selling These NBA Stocks In 2025? | TD3 Live

Episode Date: October 16, 2024

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we're rolling and we're also live oh who word are we late no we're about 35 seconds early so for at least one week we're in the clear the chat's going to say late on time let's go saying late already doesn't even their time's not even right is what I'm learning yeah the clock doesn't even give us a chance and that hurts my feelings the thing is they want us to be late that's the thing they're preying on our downfall actively they do you mean they they want reasons to hate us all I want to I just want a chance. I don't blame.

Hating is a little bit fun. Donovan does it all the time. It is. Listen. I ain't a lie. I do hate. I have a confession to make. Okay.

I have a burner account and I'd be typing in late too. Oh my God. It doesn't surprise me at all. You should be shamed. I'm one of them. Where to real eaters at? Welcome back. As you got to see you out title today, if you're here early in the first few minutes.

Welcome. We appreciate you. We are going to be doing a stream based on which NBA stocks we are buying and selling. So you guys know how this works. It's a very common sports media trope. You know, we talk about teams, players, abstract ideas across the league, whatever may be. And whatever it is, we're going to talk about things that we're buying stock in, meaning we believe in it long term or even if it's just for this year or selling stock,

which means we're lower than, you know, the consensus on a certain matter. Okay. I have a couple on my list. Really? I feel like you're... Just a couple, just two. I'm sure you're selling many, many things. Actually, it's actually a pretty good mix.

Okay. You got some positivity for once today? Yeah. Wow, okay. We're starting off the stream hot with Joaquin 37. I'm looking at this. I'm looking at this. I actually have more positive than negative.

That's crazy. I can have more stuff that I'm buying them. Okay. So we're starting off the stream strong with Joaquin 37, tip in $3.97. Said, I'm hungry. What are your guys' favorite fast food joints? Chipotle and Wingstop.

Is Chipotle and Fast Food? If it's not, it's quick, then Wingstop. Chipotle, Wingstop is not quick either, though. You're right. Yeah, Chipotle and Chick-fil-A are probably top two for me. Yeah. If we're going on that route, though, if you, I'm going to, you're going to count Wingstop. I'm going to go ahead and say Waffle House.

and that's a waffle house come on it's a fucking whole watch house is fast as hell what do you mean you have waiters you're a waiter if you can count wink stop then you can count wafiles too the wait time is the exact things the time is the time doesn't matter because sometimes fast food drive-thrues are long if you have a waiter you're not fast food you don't have to have a wait you can just go up to the counter and i don't have a waiter then boom problem solved you're so nah that come on they still no really it's the exact same process as you when you go to wink stop you go to the guy sure, I want this, and the person in the back is doing what he does, and then you're out. But if you sat down in a Wingstop, nobody's coming up to you and asking you what, they're not handing you a menu at Wingstop. Because Wingstop doesn't have a good customer service. They're saying, get out. I'm not soliciting.

No loitering. But all right, man. Wingstop and Waffle House aside, as you guys know, before we get to the main topic of the stream, we're going to go through the biggest news stories of the week. And the first new story is something that I know that Donovan saw it and it brought him immense joy. Joel and B doesn't plan to play in back-to-backs for the rest of his career via Tim Bontemps he said if I had to guess I would probably never play back-to-backs the rest of my career

as you guys know these guys are prioritizing his health trying to make sure that he can have a healthy playoff run for the very first time in his career no more limping around with bad knees with your eye falling apart they want to save him for the playoffs the load managing him and that includes no back-to-backs maybe forever what was your first thought one my first thought was i told you guys of a long long time ago you guys like about a year ago got upset at me because i didn't have joel and b and my top five and i was telling you that i didn't have him there because he's not playing games and so if this is if this comes out to be true right

when we just talk about the overall hierarchy of the league i'm correct on that that you cannot be top five if you're not playing back to back to that way two i also want to just see if this is true like obviously for the career i don't i don't believe that at all like let's let's be realistic for this season though that's that's pretty drastic that's minimum 15 games out the door and so if you're already saying hey we're going to start the year with 67 games of joel and be without getting into any like regular wear and tear i'm very very skeptical that that is going to be like a legitimate thing that that's going to happen so i just i just want to see if if they're actually, like, real about that.

That's the first thing that came to my mind. He's probably being a little hyperbolic when he says rest of his career, no back-to-backs. But I bet to keep him out of far more than he plays in. Maybe if it's, like, end of the season, they need to win a game for a playoff seating, he'll play. But I'm sure, at least for the first four months of the season, they're going to try as hard as they can to make it

so he doesn't have to do that. Which I think is fine. Seems to me. It's fine. I agree. It seems to me. A lot of people don't remember, but Kauai Leonard back in 2019

team was not like playing hella back to backs and the toronto raptors themselves were an elite team whether he's playing or not they were just simply like that because of their depth and not to say that the 76ers are like that in terms of their death but without him for the most part they should be at least bare minimum serviceable and manageable that's why you go in the all season signed the paul georgies of the world even though he's hurt signed the Caleb martins of the world recoup with Kyle Lowry and all those other guys. Yeah. Now, will this

recipe work? I don't know because Joeline Bede seems to be the single-handedly most unluckiest NBA player over the last five to seven years. But I like the process of it. Yeah. Yeah, I like the idea. You're white, though, is that a lot of his injuries are just crazy stuff. Like, I can't, whether or not you play in a back-to-back, that doesn't control

whether or not comminga falls into your leg right that doesn't that doesn't that doesn't control whether or not somebody's elbow comes down and breaks your face so i like i i get it and i understand the logic but what happens in game 57 where the sixers have been off for two days and then imbid comes in and he's going for for a ball and he lands wrong and now all of a sudden he's he's out like i mean yeah no one's suggesting this is going to fix the injury issue all completely but you do what you can and i like it because somebody in the chat said what does this mean for the 65 game rule, it means to well and B is not going to fucking win another MVP. And that's fine, because clearly they've made the clear decision that if he goes for an MVP

at temps to play 82 games, there is a significant enough of a likelier chance that he gets injured that it's not worth it because he doesn't care about those awards anymore because he hears all the slander. He sees what everybody says about him. He's a team guy. He wants the winner ring. He knows he needs it. He knows the 76ers need it. So they're punting the individual accolades for a small chance of being healthy and making it through a healthy playoff run. And to me, that's a good amount of self-awareness that I like to see. The reality is he's not going to be healthy for 82 games and then 16 playoff wins. It just will not happen. So you live with that reality and you play less games and hope you get lucky and make it through a whole season.

Yeah. I'm just, I'm curious because I, like, Mo mentioned Kauai. Kauai played 60 games in 2019. That's, so that's saying that if, let's say that they are 90% true or whatever it is, and that instead of 15 games on a back-to-back that he misses, Embed doesn't play in 13 back-to-backs. Is Joelle and B. going to miss another nine games? Is he going to miss another 10 games just because of random wear and tear? Because once you start getting into like 55 games, that, that I think, puts a lot of pressure on Maxie and Paul George, because the rest of the east is not super easy.

Yeah. It's not like Boston, New York is there. Speaking of pressure. messed up. Speaking of pressure on Maxie and Paul George, Paul George hyper-extended his left knee in yesterday's preseason game. It was a scary injury. It looked crazy.

And everybody was like, oh, my God, a meaningless preseason game. Here they go. Here goes, 76ers luck already. Came out today. It's not all that serious. He's going to be re-evalued in one week, and you'd rather see zero injuries. But it seems like they've dodged a bullet,

and it's not terribly serious. But you don't love to see it. Yeah. Yeah. No, bare minimum, he's going to miss, like, two, three, weeks. There's no need to necessarily rush him back into the season. Of course, like, it'd be nice

to have him starting out, but at the same time, too, you're playing the long game. Similar how they're treating Joel and Bede, they need to at least bear on and start having some worries about Paul George, because he's very, he's just as, like, not just as, like,

like, he knows how to say. We can say that. He's getting up there. You know, he's a healthier then, Joel. Don't be scared. I don't want to say that he's injury prone because, you know, me and Paul George, that's my guy. But they need to have more precautions around him so that you can prevent this, what is he? 34 years old now and he has a contract the last three, four years, they need to be super cautious and have implemented some of those rules that they have with Joe Embed on to Paul George damn near.

Yeah. Shout out to JR for tipping $3. He said, ever thought about making a tier list or ranking of NBA coaches? We did some ranking TikToks before about it. I don't know if enough people care about coaching Manucia that much to sit through a full 30 minute video about coaches. So I've always been kind of cautious

about that. I don't know if I'm going to sit here and break down like what the Pelicans coach does and how you know that moves in mountains. I would love that, but I don't know what the crown of yours would. Yeah, exactly. Shout to horse of Yokic for tipping $4.20.

All right man, next new story. One that is very near and dear to my heart, an agenda that I have been on since draft night. Zach Eadie is already eating, dominating in the preseason. Last night he had 23 points, nine rebounds, 10 and 15 from the field in 18 minutes,

and he looked absolutely unguarable. He made Miles Turner look like a little boy. Glorious. Isle Turner has not been good at basketball or at the defensive basketball, defensive end of basketball for years, so I mean, cool. Yeah, and he's also like,

as good as he is, he's only good defensively at blocking shots. Outside of that, he is a very like very poor defender technically in other ways so exactly he was going to dominate an NBA center it's going to be Miles Turner but it's good to see you can get up to a good stuff 7-5 this is exactly this is exactly what you want to see in like the preseason game from edie and this is also one of the reasons every like we've talked a lot about the potential chemistry between edie and jai and like their screen setting and him catching lobs and stuff but if his offense can get going a little bit let we know that job is going to miss a couple games as well. This is a nice option to fall back to where when you start playing, you know, like basketball by committee and it's like, okay, we can get, you know, a seven, eight minute stretch out of Zach Edy,

where we can throw the ball into him and he can go dominate for a quick second. Like that's, that's massive. I saw a tweet earlier about this outside of just his Ross stateline. In the preseason, there's only, you know, they have tracking stats or different play types. Zach Edy has had 24 post-up possessions by far the most in the NBA due to the preseason. preseason, which is only a few games, one point four one points of possession on those plays, which is outrageous. That would be by far the best in the NBA. That's like better than Prime Weekem, so it's not going to stay there. But it makes total sense that right away,

he's dominating down low, as you'd expect. And it's just preseason. I'm not going to tooth the horn yet, but it's looking good for anybody on E.D. Island. Congratulations. So far. I don't know. We have a predictions episode this week. I'm grappling. No, I'm trying not to say too much. I'm trying not to be limited. We've got to be limited. I'm grappling a lot with my Grizzlies hype versus reality.

Someone said, don't let this distract you from the fact that Clay went 0 and 9 in a preseason game. I'm glad you brought that up in the chat. Oh, my gosh. Try to say it. The next news story we got, I'm not super low on Clay, but good transition. Daleks Mavericks GM, Nico Harrison, says that after watching last season's finals, he felt his team just needed a Clay Thompson-type player to. take them over the top and he said honestly after the finals we felt that we were close

we all knew we were close and i kind of say this it has a good ring to it but we were a clay away and we feel like he's the guy that can take us over the top boo boo boo so i brought this up yeah interesting that they watched that finals and their thought process was one more shooter is that what you guys thought when you watched them play the celtics I mean, yes, but also like a little bit of no, I think they need more, they needed more like offensive pop in general, whether it be like Kyrie playing normal Kyrie basketball or more consistency from guys like PJ Washington. But in general, like, yeah, they need more guys who can hit top of the key threes and all that and give them another just like surge of offense. That way you're not literally relying on PJ Washington to be Clay Thompson like. just have Clay Thompson right there instead. So I see what he was saying. I see what he's cooking.

I understand. I understand too. But I also think that this is this is one of the reasons why I'm very hesitant to jump on the Dallas bandwagon and why I'm very hesitant to to say like, oh, this Clay signing is massive. It does so much for Dallas because you're going to get inconsistent nights with him at this point in his career. Like he's, yes, he's still going to shoot a high percentage, but it's going to be a very volatile. Like, you're going to have days where he's like 7 of 11 from 3, then you're going to have other nights where he's 0 for not. And in a playoff series, I can, we already have the meme of we already have the tweet.

You know, Clay Thompson went 0 for 10 in an elimination game. That might happen again where he goes one, you know, one for nine. And it's just a reality of where he's at. Overall, I think it might be helpful just to give Lucas some more spacing, some more knockdown shooting, but it's going to be. some nights he's not knocking it down and it's going to people are going to be very upset. And you know what? In comes Najee Marshall,

in comes Quentin Grimes, it'll be fine. I do agree with the sentiment that they just need more offensive firepower. The PJ Washington shooting variance was the story of their playoff run against the Thunder. He shot 50% from three and they were able to make the Thunder look like a bunch of little kids

and that's great if PJ Washington is going to continue to do that. But he didn't surprise, surprise to nobody. You go against a better defense. You get less good luck. and suddenly their shot making just wasn't up to par with the team like the Celtics who are obviously loaded one through five. It makes sense to me that they believe

that they just simply need at least one more guy that can give you that dynamic offensive, you know, punch like Mo said. Now, would I make, Kay Thompson, that guy? I don't know, but I hope he can be that guy. Yeah. I mean, if you can't be that guy alongside Kyrie and Luke who's going to alleviate so much pressure

and he's going to get, I don't want to say more old. open looks and he got in Golden State, but pretty similar quality looks, I don't know where else he can be that guy. Yeah. Is this looking like Celtic Shack here? I hope not. I hope not. No, no, not Southwick Shack. Maybe like, uh, what's the one that came? Was the Phoenix Sunshack the one that came right after Miami? Yeah. Oh my gosh. Maybe Phoenix Sunshack. Maybe maybe we're there. A step away. A step away from me and a while. A little bit of Cav Shack in there. Okay, The cash shack is very useless.

That's, I mean, useful. Very useful. Yeah, exactly. Still a useful role player that isn't going to make a breaker team, but he can help. Give you another look. He's productive at the end of the day. But many times they close games at Big Z, just like they're going to close games in Najee Marshall. Man, I was 10 years old looking at 2009 check.

I was like, yeah, LeBron's going to get it done this time. Boy, who was I wrong? Next news story. After missing two straight NBA seasons, Chicago. Chicago's Lonzo Ball is expected to make a return to basketball on Wednesday versus Minnesota. Sources told the ESPN, y'allie's back. Hallelujah. This is what streets have been waiting for, right?

If you have been, like me and you've been listening to Lonzo Ball mixtapes for the last two years, hoping that eventually enough Lonzo energy will get him back on. Mix tapes? Like, his music? He has bars. You know about Zos? Ooh, Zio, Zia. Dude. Get off.

Oh, wait. Oh, wait. I'm on my neck and wrist. They get off. Come on. Oh. You're bringing back some memories right now. Keep going.

You don't know. You don't know about it. I can't give you everything. I'm not trying to get shit down right now. But he got some stuff. I would go in and play his music right now, but I'm not trying to get the stream clapped. Bad, man. Shout out from Lanzobal coming back.

Obviously, no real expectations. We'll see what you can get. out of his leg this season, I hope he can come back and have a Sean Livingston Redemption tour where he can get healthy and have a second half to his career that maybe looks different

but can still be useful. But at this point, you just got to hope you can play games, you know? Yeah, they were talking like he was never going to walk. No, Stephen A. Smith went ahead and I think he said like last year. He was like, yeah, Lonzo can't even stand up properly or something like that.

And then Lonzo, he made some Twitter video and showed a video of him just like walking around his school or something like. And he was walking slow as hell. It didn't look great. He still had a chair. Fresh off of Perks, dude. He did not feel nothing.

The video only showed him standing up and sitting down. He didn't even walk. He couldn't do that at that point. Stephen Able was right. Yeah, man. Okay. My question to y'all is what are your expectations for long as a while this season? Triple single.

My expectations? I think. What do you expect on? I don't know. 18 minutes a game. And by the second. second half of the season. Hopefully he can be good enough to be a trade candidate and they can ship him to somewhere

like the Los Angeles Lakers to come in and give him a punch of the deadline. You're so shamed. I should have never asked him that. No, I'm joking with Lakers, but I do think that's what to expect. He starts off low minutes, ramping up. They have a fuck ton of guards in Chicago, so his spot in the rotation isn't like a big minute thing. Yeah, maybe if he

looks good enough and stays healthy, he can be a trade candidate. You know, that makes sense. Let's get him in Orlando. But you're talking about Chicago here. We're talking about Chicago, so they wouldn't do that. They probably just keep them. Good for the brain. I actually like, I was joking, but like, would you be shocked at the Lakers trade for him? That's a Lakers assing to do.

Trey for the broken version of Lanzo Ball because of the name. And to bring him back? Yeah, that's the Lakers asked him to do. Austin Rees and Lonsol Ball, like Lons Ball we all know the last time we saw him would be a fantastic duo. Well, if it's a Lonsel ball, we knew last time we saw him, then they're not getting him because that price is going to be high. He's going to be an amazing role player. You say that, but Alex Caruso. went for Josh Giddy.

You're right. So you don't know. It's the Bulls. If he's all laws, listen, Dilo and a pick? You want to pick? Just say Dilo. I can't hear that. I can't hear that.

That's not impossible. I'm only kind of joking. They're dumb. Exactly. It's literally not impossible. It's not even dumb, but it makes sense. But okay. Next thing.

This one is a very funny to pick. This is a very funny news story. The NBA is creating a policy where players are not allowed to use their phone from the start of hip-off to the end of the game. So Kevin Durant can't go back in the locker room, look at his phone, see what his line is, and look at his Twitter responses

of everyone flaming him for not hitting 16 in the first half. Not allowed anymore. Who is this? High school? Yeah, my thing is, what are they going to do about it? Are they going to have, like, hall monitors in there in the locker room? They're like, hey, burr! Get your phone!

Get your phone! Get on the ground! Like, what are they going to do? Yeah, I'm on the ground. That got really militant real fast. Like, what are they going to do if they, see you one of your phone. I'm guessing it's more like if there's a... No, shoot you.

I think it's more like if there's... Jesus. It's more, um... If there's like proof of them like liking a tweet or something at halftime, they're going to get fined. All right. Who's the first player that's going to get caught on their phone? Daniel Russell.

Some young... Jordan Poole. Some young and yeah. That was my guess too. I was going to say it. No, no, no. Kuzma. Scoot Henderson.

Why? Would you say... Every time I hear Scoot Henderson. that guy is a child that Scoot-Henderson I meet a day to ask him what he looks back on

his rookie year finally he was like all the good food I ate high as hell he was fucking toasted ate a lot of good food and that was it

that was the answer leave alone let's go alone bro people were cooking him after his first preseason game he came out looked horrible. I saw so many tweets

they're like, I'm telling you, screw fucking sucks. Sell your stock. The next game, he had a completely good, completely fine stat line and all the tweets disappeared. Yeah, yeah. People want to hate him so bad, y'all. Oh, yo, chat is right. They're saying we're not going to be able to get the halftime TikToks

from Jeremy McCain. Damn. Pooring out. Damn. I actually wasn't looking forward to that. What? Half time they're talking about it. All right, what's the next new story?

I need to pull up my handy-dandy documents. Let's see. Why my browser is messing up? I'm selling the transition. Oops, oops. Tragic. It's still not working. Okay.

Oh, we're going to get it soon. Just wait on it. Okay. There we go. You're doing a great job feeling tired. There we go. Okay. Billy Donovan is the favorite to be the first head coach fired this season.

Per Bavada. It's Billy Donovan at one, Willie Green at two, Chauncey Billups at three, and Quinn Snyder at four. Listen, man. Willie Green hasn't done a fantastic job. I think he did a pretty job last year. They were a top ten defense with the stupidest line if you've ever seen with Jonas Van Junis at center. But they have made crazy moves this summer. We've been talking about it all summer that their team makes no sense.

if they start terribly, they're going to need a scapegoat. But, but come on, though. Willie Greed, like, guys. How many, dude. Coaches can you fire? It doesn't make sense. The Billy Donovan one, do the Bulls even fire coaches in season? No, because then they've got to pay two of them.

They don't like that. Exactly. I don't, I don't. Like, you have to cross out the cheap, the cheap organization. You can take them off the list. yeah yeah uh doc rivers dog rivers is five too low

did you imagine if they fired doc rivers after giving him that big ass contract that's a disgusting I don't know why never mind who else is too low on this list

uh and I guess if we're not hammering Chaunty Billups at plus 600 I know too that's good money what are we doing free money but the only thing is

Chauncy Billups is on an expiring deal. They didn't give him a new contract, which is fucking crazy to see for an NBA head coach. He's not getting a second contract. They're just going to let him walk and hire somebody good this summer, so they might not bother firing him. But, well, it may get, it may get to the point where maybe if they see somebody like internal or something, they fire him in the second half of the season, you bring in the new guy, maybe try to start the culture for the next, you know, for the next phase or whatever. You have Chaunty, do his job, get you to be bad enough for long enough and then you fire him.

But somebody's getting fired. Somebody said, where is Steve Kerr? Second to last. Plus 12,500. Apparently he has job security. Eric's Bolshra is above him. What? That's interesting.

Neither one of the right. Neither one from are getting fired. Like it's both a zero percent chance. Yeah, their legacy coaches. Like at this point in time, there's nothing that you can do to, like, fire him. You don't fire him. You don't fire Steve Kerr until he wants to be fired. Like he's, even, whether or not. not he deserves that, he's another question, but he's earned that right as a championship coach.

And as for Eric Spolster, he doesn't even deserve to be on this list, point-blank period. Yeah, if you've been on Eric Spolcher being the first coach fired, you are like terminally stupid. Sure, just an insane hater. Terminally stupid. No, you're just terminally stupid. There's no saving you. Like, your brain doesn't work. There's no prescription that to help.

No, nothing. Modern medicine has nothing for you. You're simply done so. You're simply done. You're finished. Give it up. Um, shout out to, uh, N-E-D-A-9 for tipping one dollar. Appreciate you.

He said, it is part of my daily vocabulary to put leh in front of everything. I say, valid. Welcome to lit, look on the less stream. Let Tuesday. Uh, shout out to Noah Harper freaky balls for tipping $4.69. Next new story. This one is hilarious to me. J.B. Bickershaft plans to create a new culture in Detroit and says,

Because piston players are not allowed to wear hoodies during practice. His quote said, Just the last shred of that old school mentality. Just growing up with my dad, you don't wear anything on your head during the game. You don't wear jewelry. You practice how you play. Man, just because your daddy had no swag.

Don't mean that I shouldn't. What the hell? He said nothing on your head. He said nothing on your head while you play. So is he fucking banning headbands? What do you mean by that? We can't wear a hoodies. This is Coach Carter.

He said these young guys had, lack discipline. We're getting those grades up. Listen. And where do they go? To the state championship? They made a run. So maybe,

maybe J.B. is on to something here. Maybe you should wear it. One thing. He can set the table. Someone said, Jacob Miller and chat said, they have to earn it.

That's such a daughter. They got to earn that headband. Earn the headband. If you do, you have to do at least 100 suicides. Every day, for a week and then you can wear a headbed. Just for us

headbed? God damn. You got to earn your swag like a man. A shooting sleeve? 200 suicides. You want another tattoo during the season? 400 suicides. Oh, damn. We're running a tight ship here.

We will be perfect in everything that we do. You miss a shot, you run a mile. You miss a screen. You run a mile. All of that. Jimmy Butler said When asked about his upcoming contract extension

And looming lack of a deal with the heat He said If we're being brutally honest No matter what Nothing I do now is going to get me paid any more money Even though I don't care about the money All MBA None of that is going to matter

I'm at the point right now That I got enough money I'm just here to win I feel like he said two things here I feel like he started off saying Yeah Listen I can make first time all NBA The Heat don't want to pay me

And then you can transition in the second half to be like, oh, but I don't care. I just want to win. I feel like he kind of said the quiet part out here a little bit. To me, also, the third thing to me that he said is that, like, he,

whether it's in Miami or anywhere else, like winning is all about, is above else all. Like, he doesn't care about being in Miami, whether it's Indiana or somewhere in a place. He sounds like he's ready to pack to me. If they don't, you know, makes them happen this year.

We'll see, but obviously people see this, and they're like, so you can take less than, the offseason to go to a contender or probably not but i don't know there there's there will be one team that offers jimmy like max money and it's all jazz congratulations listen it'll be it'll be worth it like for what jimmy has done over the last four to five years yeah he deserves that that contract but we've talked about it so many times just like it's so clear that pat riley doesn't like him right now and Jimmy probably doesn't like Pat Riley so we won't like this iteration of

the heat is probably in its last year like they're in their last dance for sure yeah okay well listen that's all the new story we got talked about today now it's time for the main part of the episode we're going to do the NBA teams or players or agendas or whatever we have in mind that we're buying and selling we're going to take turns picking one thing that we're the buying or selling in chat I want you guys to spam up whether you agree right if you're you're going to be buyer or a seller on this topic. Someone said Moe's too quiet, but I'll turn his volume a little bit.

You know, he's a whisper. Yep, yep, yep, yep. Let's go. Okay, so, Donovan, you go first. Since you said you're feeling real positive, what is the first thing that you were buying this NBA season? First thing I'm buying. I'm buying Franz Wagner stock.

Okay. I think I've been very high on Franz for some years now. And obviously, the shooting is not where it needs to, where it needed to be last season. but he got paid. The magic are clearly going in a very specific direction. They want him being a ball handler. They want Palo to be a ball handler.

And if Franz, listen, if Franz can knock down threes at, what, a 35% clip rather than like the 29, 30% that he was at, this magic team is different. And it, like, they would have won a playoff series if he didn't forget how to shoot. And I think that their ceiling is much, much higher than what some people might think it is, and I think that Franz gets back to where we thought he was going to be last season, right? Chad, are you buying or selling Franz Wagner stock?

I'm in on Franz Wagner this year. Hey, the chat is... I think we're going to see a very productive year. Chad is spamming sell. They're selling this shit out of Franz Wagner. Chat, tell us why. Someone said he didn't forget how to shoot. He doesn't know how to shoot. They're saying that his good shooting year was a fluke, and this is who he is. That's crazy. I've seen a lot more sell than buy.

Yeah, knock on. Yeah, not going to lie, that's actually shocking. That's actually shocking. I thought Franz Wagner was not a fan favorite, but someone who fans looked out for like that. Not nerds look out for him. Average NBA fans need a lot of convincing to like a European player, and he hasn't done that for him yet.

Okay, so chat, so look, so Franz's first two years shooting, 35 and 36% and then drops down to 28. That's a nearly 10% drop off from one year to the next. Again, I'm not asking him to be 38%. Can you get to 35? Can you get back to where you were your rookie season? I think that's reasonable.

And I think that if you can get back up there, then you're going to see a different Franz Wagner, and you're going to see a much better magic team. I'm shocked. I'm shocked that you guys are saying so. Yeah, to me it's reactionary. I mean, if he has another poor shooting year, then sure we can start talking about it.

There's so much shooting variance. I'm not overreacting yet. Just because this isn't a guy who's like a young project player, and then the shot just falls off and you're like, oh, what is he going to do now? he's still fantastic driving to the room very good passer good defender can do enough other things that i'm like if he can just shoot league average and get back to being passable there he's going to be a great player like fantastic you're not asking for a lot he's not a guy that needs to be a sharpshooter

it just has to not be detrimental to palibankero i'm obviously going to buy that yeah i agree i'm buying the hell out of that give me three of four of them five of them i don't care um at this When in time, yeah, I got, I need Franz in bulk, bro. But at this point in time, at this point in time, there's nothing that he can do to hurt them, to hurt the Orlando Magic actively. Like, he can still have the same shooting year that he had last year. And they'll be, I don't think there's a world in where he hurts them because they got a KCP. Assuming also like Jalen Suggs is able to maintain his level shooting, Powell and Carroll sees the same growth as well and all the rest of those guys.

but I'm buying overall. Hopefully that's all comes around. And they do need him to be a good shooter if they want to have like a ceiling. You said it's not going to hurt them. Sure, but one of their only ways to being helped to like make a big leap this year I think is if he can become like a legit great shooter.

So I wouldn't, I wouldn't down by the importance of it. Like it's definitely important, but it's not going to be like the end all be all. You know, they're not screwed as a team if you can't shoot. Yeah, I agree. Just because it's not going to help them. It doesn't mean that he's not. With that deal that he has?

Uh-huh. Yeah. With that deal that he has, yes, I agree with you. Like, it is, it is kind of detrimental, though. Yeah. Yeah. Just because, I mean, like, I think if he's not able to elevate his shot again, then he'll just be, like, an okay player that will help him be in an okay range.

Just because you're not hurting your team doesn't mean that you're helping them. And at that point in time, too, are you really helping your team if you're not, like, hurting them? You're just there taking up space. Nice. Get philosophical. cool. What is?

It is. Nothing. To be or not to be? To hoop or not to hoop? Tis the question. Okay, but chat is not very high on Franz. Someone said Franz to Atlanta. So here's the thing.

I like Franz, but I'm also, if he can't shoot. So here's the thing, you're not giving up on him any time soon. You're going to see it through and give him time. Him and Palo are your foundation. but if it doesn't work I could see a world where like listen Franz is nice not super nice to play with Palo Vain Carroll

let's try to swap him out for another promising young piece that is in a similar situation so I can see a world where maybe one day it does make sense to trade him but it doesn't necessarily mean he's like bad you know yeah yeah yeah exactly that's crazy though y'all you guys just sleep

you guys sleep it's okay someone said Franz's game is boring see that's what it is y'all just think he's not fun you don't see enough hesy-tween pools he hasn't been on your house to highlight speed enough Franz is nice I'm making a cousin to you fools

I may as don't be watching All right what is your first team buying or selling whichever one you want What's the first Okay agenda you have

Now I understand That this is pretty unpopular But I'm going to be The Odd Man I am buying stock In James Harden And his Performance this season

Specifically he's unleashed apparently this is the healthiest he's ever been according to him he has no hope on his team i'm going to sleep 23 and 10 24 and 10 again so it said jesus christ i say all nba james hardin i need that for the low jesus christ i am shorting whatever mo is buying now listen now wait wait wait wait wait wait wait Do you say all MBA? I said, dare I say. Yeah, how much you, I dare you don't.

Let's relax. Now, James Hardens for a low. He's on the discount right. He's on clearance. He's not like an expensive. It's a penny stock. He's a flop. Yeah, if he flops, then he flops.

Like, he's not heard in my pockets. But if he bangs, boy, it's going to hit like Bitcoin back in 2009. Oh, my God. It's going to hit. So I'm buying on James Hardin. Shout out to Kevin Gallickey for coming back for the first time in a few weeks and donating $60.

He said, Seltis going back to back, get the thunder up out of here, J. Deb got nothing on Jalen Brown, Abe Lincoln got nothing of my Dominican King or my Unicorn, and Shay got nothing on my King JT. I'm actually a glaze.

Congratulations. You should be proud of yourself, Kevin. We appreciate you regardless of the guys tonight. Kevin Galicki, the number one glazer of the Boston Seltz community. We are going to have a live show in Boston. oh yeah precisely a week from now am i wrong no i'm so glad you mentioned this we're going to be in boston uh let me see and pull up the link yeah we're doing a live show from boston from the mb a on tn t

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But okay, man I rock with Shibuzi Okay, back to James Hardin's talk Chat, are you buying or selling James Hardin's doc? I saw a lot of sales. Obviously, you guys are not high on James Hardin right now. Can you explain why? So tell us why in the chat.

Donovan, you tell us why you hate him. Because he's old. What are we talking about? Like James Hardin, James Hardin has declined over the last like three years. And I understand, yes, he's 10. taken a lesser role and he's been more of a facilitator and he's gone into situations where you have a clear other star. But that's kind of the point is that everywhere that he's gone,

there's been a clear other guy that James Hardin is just not matching at. So I think like we are now three, three and a half years removed from James Hardin, the score. And I think that even as talented as he is, I think that it's, it's hard to ask for him at 35, 36 years old to now go into a situation where Kauai's probably not going to play a lot of games. And you say, hey, here's the offense. Like, let's play 2019 Houston Rockets basketball, right? Let's get 2019 James or even let's get 20, 21 James. And for him to be extremely productive, efficient as a score and a passer and both of those

things on a night in and night out basis. So I don't think that the clippers are going to benefit massively from getting this old school James Harden. I think it's a lot to ask for him. I mean, it's either that or they witness Norman Powell Isols for 35 minutes a game. Get ready to witness Norman Powell Isos for 35 minutes. We've seen injuries and age catch-up to guards across league history. I do not think that James Hardin is going to be the guy to break that.

No, I'm not buying James Harden stock. I might hold at best. I might hold stock. When you say buying and selling stock, it's like relative to a way. what everybody else thinks. Exactly. What does everybody else think? Is everybody like Moe or is everybody else like Donovan?

I think everybody might be like Donovan. I think everybody's kind of written him off as being irrelevant. So I think I'm buying a little bit. Like, I think he can be solid, but I'm not buying to the extent where I think it matters. I think he'll be like, if you're playing fantasy basketball, pick up James Hardin. He'll put numbers on the board. But if you were expecting the clippers to be good off the strength of James Hardin basketball and his style of play, the lead factor.

That's where you get lost at. Now, you're sure going to be disappointed. And that's what we're talking about here. Because I know Mo's not talking about fantasy basketball. I know he's talking about actual NBA basketball games. And James Harder is not a, like, do you think that the Clippers are going to be? I don't believe in the Clippers whatsoever. I don't believe in the clippers in the slightest.

But I believe in James Harden and the individual production that he potentially could have. Last time we saw him be a number two. Masqueraded as a number one option. Damn near, basically. yeah the last time he had like real opportunity to do his thing and rock out was kind of in philly but even then he was behind joll and be force treating him getting him to all his spots and also had to like you know share some love or give give some of the ball to tary smacks as well he had options opportunities to like he had real options to give the ball to other people and he had to play a

specific way here he's back in a houston days where he has none but like an eric gordon type type player around him Patrick Bev who is in this case like Terrence man you got Zubotch who's like Clint Capella he has a whole lot of like nothing and he is at this point in time he's asked to make magic shake and those numbers are going to be inflated again now man yeah I can't I can't see it I think I agree with you that yes his numbers will go up but I I purely think that that's going to be we move I think no but I think it's going to be a product of just need but like like you said like I don't think that the clippers are going to be better for it I don't think that they're going to all of a sudden be in the mix for like the five or four seed out west because

james hardin is out here you know scoring you know doing what doing what he does they're not they're just not going to be be great so I think I'm I'm selling on both james hardin and I'm selling on the clippers yeah I'm definitely I'm 100% selling on the clippers that's my first sell so we can go ahead and say that so I'm selling the shit out of my clippers super stock if I had any I think oh here's the thing when they're healthy I'm buying I think people are underestimating how good they'll be when they're healthy so those first 20 games or whatever it is that Kauai's available and James Hardin's available they're going to come out and be like I don't know 13 and 7 or something like good and where you'm like up yeah same old

clippers Thai loo coach of the year candidate they're fantastic put these guys both them in the all-star game and then she's going to go left real fast and they have absolutely zero insurance for what happens when Kauai misses and damn sure zero insurance for what happens when James Hardin misses games. You're asking two older injury prone guys in Kauai's case to handle more load than the did last year with less to work with, less assistance. If you're looking across the league and you're seeing all the other teams in the playing race, all the other teams vying for the six seed, the five seed, they all have at least some modicum of death, some ability to withstand a single injury. Clippers have none. So I'm a

betting, man, I'm bending against that. I did not say that James Hardin is going to be healthy. I don't know how healthy he's going to be considering to start the season, but when he's on the court, expect buckets, expect stepbacks, expect lobs. Because he's going to give it all to us. Yeah, there you go. I'm off. I'm off of both.

I'm sorry. First one that I'm buying. I said this last week. I think I said the week before that. I'm buying the shit out of Phoenix Sun stock. I'm fully on board the Phoenix Suns because I have bought years ago, actually. Like, I'm four years into this buy.

It hasn't been great the last year because it's been MIA, but I put all my life savings into Mike Boonehoser stock. It tanked whenever they fired him for no reason. I never stopped believing. Mike Boonhoser is a fantastic coach that was scapegoated from the bucks because they had no other path to changing

because they had put themselves in a bind as a team where they're like, something has to change, I guess is the coach. He was never any sort of an issue. He's a fantastic coach. I think the preseason were already seeing good improvements

in the way they're trying to attack the game. They're taking a lot of threes. They're making more sense. They have good depth now. They're actually deploying their guys in ways that fits their style of play, not making book to be a full-time point guard, all this stuff.

This team wasn't super far last year. They were six-seed, even with injuries. You give them a way better offensive mind. You get them Ryan Dunn, who was maybe the still, Oh, my gosh. Maybe this deal with the draft because he's just nailing three he's left and right while already being one of the best defensive prospects we've seen in the last couple of years.

If that hits, their bench is going to be legitimately, extremely good. Don't be surprised you look up in there a four seat. You mentioned Ryan Dunn, Donovan said he's extremely good. Bro, he looks like someone that I've seen on your team. They just got OG An Obie out of thin air. Like, how? I'll play up his highlights right now. Dude, he's looked at me.

Again, it's preseason, so. Yes. Keep everything with the grain of salt. But when this guy was drafted, he fell into, I think it was like pick 24 or something like that, or 17, whatever it was, and it was thought to be a good pick because he is a tall, rangey defender who can defend down low, defend on the perimeter, be a real Swiss army knife, but couldn't shoot. And that was obviously a big concern. If that concern is gone, if Ryan Dunn entered the draft process with a sure thing, three point shot being competent, he would have been a top 10 pig easily. 100%. That was the case for basically the entire draft, where everyone's like, yeah, like, they're, you know, they're an interesting player, but they can shoot. We're hitting. So, what's out?

I'm just saying, interesting fact about Ryan Dunn. Throughout his entire college experience last year, guess how many threes he hit? For the whole season? Probably. Whole season. whole entire season 12 no I know it's less than he hit yesterday 4 he had 7

damn he had 7 for his entire college career and he already surpassed that in the few games of preseason that he played yeah that is absolutely absurd and yes Isaac you're right it is preseason but preseason does nothing but give us just a little bit of information and intel of characteristics

in bad advancements and like what may happen in the future. And seeing the type of shots that he's been pulling off and being able to get off the dribble. But look at this, it's like, yeah, there's a shooting leap. This is real. Look at this. He pulls up.

He wasn't doing that in college. Step back on Yokic. Nails that. What? And the next play is just the smoothest catch and shoot three with a tough close out. Nails it. Those aren't, he's not hitting threes because he's left wide open.

These are difficult threes that if you're willing to take those threes, you have some confidence in your jumper. And I'm not sure he showed confidence in his jumper during college. Not at all. He was the complete opposite of confidence in his jump running in college. This is moving me right now. I'm not going to lie. This is moving me to go out and buy some sunstock, especially regular season sunstock.

Because we all know, like the criticisms of Bud were mainly in like the playoffs. Because it was mainly like, oh, you know, we get into the series. He's not adjusting. And now you end up losing. Even though he ever. weak-ass criticisms, though. Yeah, but nobody ever questioned, can, if you give Bud some talent,

can he get you to 50 wins? No, we all kind of have a baseline level of, like, respect for what he can do during the regular season. You give him Devin Booker and Kevin Durant, and now Ryan Dunn, as your big three, oh, it's, you're going crazy. And then Monti Morris comes in on the bench,

Tyos Jones comes in the starting lineup. So on the bench, you have Monty Morris, Grayson Allen. Bradley Bill, a nice seventh man? Oh, man. Type shit Like they're nice Like they're gonna be good

And like I think their floor is a six seed They're not gonna go lower in the six seed Their ceiling is like three Maybe two of things break right And their ceiling in the playoff setting Is extremely high I think you know

When this team's put together Even before we saw them Play the game Bradley Beal We were like it's kind of weird But in a playoff setting Where you got to make tough shots hard to bet against

Devin Booker Bradley Bill and Kevin Durant Now that didn't work out at all last year The Thunder punched I mean the Timberwolves Punch them in the fucking mouth But they also had Frank Vogel Who

We all respect We all didn't like seeing him get scapegoated But they needed a smart offensive mind To make this work And for everything Frank Vogel does fantastically The creative offense isn't necessarily One of those things

So now they have somebody in there Who's a very, very modern offensive coach understands a value of high-volume three-point shooting can not only tell them take threes but implement smart X's and O's to get them open threes I think we're going to see a team that is really carried by that star power because they have the competent assistance

from their coaches and from their role players to let them really carry them. Yeah, so tons are going up this year. I agree. There's one thing about... I believe in it. The second I touch down in Milwaukee, they're one of the worst three-point shooting teams

in the entire room. by attempts they were towards the dead last and after year one with them got them up to believe top 10 or something like the three point attempts it's just in his routine bro same thing for the alana hawks back when he was a head coach in the 2013 2014 days and i expect the same thing to apply here for the phoenix so i'm buying phoenix stock too i need that i need that's go great investment shout out to anonymous for tipping ten dollars he said grad school has you missing the streams this one's for all of us vod watchers And listen.

Oh, grad school. You want a blender. Facts. Shout out you. Shout out an educated guy. But listen. Shout out the VOD watchers just as much as live stream watchers.

I appreciate y'all. Y'all are real eaters too. And once again, shout out to Kevin Gillickey for another $40. He said, Thunder fans, I mean no hate. I just get upset when I see people glaze them so hard. But when the Celtics looked like this five years ago, nobody was giving them credit.

People kept saying prove it. But your boy ate a gummy or six and got mad. All love from me. a gummy or six listen if I wish that I believe in Jason Tatum five years ago

as much as I believe in Shakego just Alexander I would have thought that the Thunder Celtics are you went a title a long time ago but also

they were the title favorites when they got Gordon Hayward they did get this hype they just failed because they're Gordon Hayer's ankle fell apart and Kyrie was a torpedo and people had

and people had agendas so listen it's not our fault you guys weren't together hate the game I don't hate us. All right, Donovan, let's hate it a little bit.

What is the first team or player that you are selling your stock in? I've said it as long as I can. I'm selling Jalen Green stock. I think that it is going to be extremely clear by December that Jalen Green should not be in the starting lineup and that Reed Shepard should be in the starting lineup

and that we should be looking at places to trade Jalen Green so that he can go be their instant offense, Jordan Clarkson type, you know, guy. Because every March, Jalen Green looks up and he sees his bank account and he sees a lot of charges for bills and for different things that he is. And he's like, oh, I have to start playing basketball again.

And he starts to go crazy. Last year, we thought he got the boost because of the bills and because of the new baby, we thought he had, like, you know, the dad strength. Some people think that that's going to carry into this year. I am not one of those people. I think we're going to see the same Jalen Green that we see for the first, you know, six months of the year. I think we're going to see a guy who gives you a lot of flashes of like, oh, wow, he can jump really high. Oh, wow, he has, like, he low-key does have a bag, but you're going to see an overall inefficient score.

You're going to see a guy who isn't an amazing playmaker. you're going to see a guy who isn't great on defense and I think that in a team in a room full of exciting young prospects, I think we're going to start getting clarity. Jalen Green's going to be out that door and Reed Shepard's going to be walking in. So I'm out.

I want to be officially out of the Jalen Green experiment in Houston. Wow. Someone said I'm selling 80% of my Jalen Greenstock and keeping 20% for the January spike. There you go. That's smart. That's how it goes. Sell it all, but hold on to a little bit.

Just hold on a little bit But I know he's gonna have A good second half of the season So keep that in mind But I'm with it Yeah, that makes sense Reed Shepard is gonna be better I feel safe about that

I don't necessarily think Jalen Green is doomed Like you do per se I think there's a world Where he's a good starter I don't really see a world Where he's the star score That we wanted to be

Like I don't think there's a world Where he's marched Jalen Green for a full season And I just think that someone Like Reed Shepard Well, they could play together But they have a lot of other guys too I think someone like

ree Shepard, someone like a man, if he can learn how to shoot one day, these guys are just going to impact the game in more ways that it's going to be pretty easy to see Jailen Green get squeezed out when he also has to get paid pretty soon. Yeah. I 10010% agree. He's not getting my knowledge. Whether or not, like, Reed Shepard is a star or anything like that of that nature, like even if he just is a high-level elite role player, he still is way more valuable than whatever is feeling that J-Ling Green is because Reed is more. much a much better fit than every he's a much better for than jengranted period in every single scenario that you can envision the houston rockets being like successful so i'd go ahead and sell

that jane green stock too chat what do you think i'm i'm seeing split i'm seeing some buy some sell tell us what you think what is the chat's temperature on jalen green because and if you're buying to what extent are you buying like yeah how high how yeah how high do you think that the ceiling is still out for jalen green like do you think that he could still be the star of a of a like a really really good team that's making deep playoff runs i don't i can't imagine you feel that way like that's crazy like i get it the highs are really high but come on literally the only human on the planet of earth or team or front office or whatever however you want to put it that should like be wanting to buy jellons green stock

is a team with no aspirations of success right now is a team that has nothing to go for them, but like model deals and sponsorships. And the team that I'm thinking of is like a team like the Brooklyn Nets. Like that is the only team fan base, whatever, that should be down bad for someone like Dan Green. Oh my goodness. Could you imagine

Cam Thomas, Jalen Green, starting backcourt? Jaylen Green at point guard? Who! Negative negative turnover percentile. I can't think of a, just more disgusting pair of words than Jalen Green point guard. That's just four words.

it's a yuck, ugh, be out of my fucking face. But yeah, man, I'm personally, I'm certainly not buying stock. I have a little bit of Jalen Green just, like, left over. Just like, I sold a couple years ago, but I kept a little bit for safekeeping in case it pops one day. I'm going to keep that in my pocket, but I'm not going to, like, gloat about it, you know? I'm not confident. I'm not confident it becomes anything. I was very excited about Jalen Green as, like, a prospect in him, you know, coming into the league.

I'm fully out. I want no shares. Do you know what I think you should have shares in probably? Do you know, Isaac, what I am confident in this season? Do I know the Atlanta Hawks? Zachary Ries Cheshay. No, not yet. Another trash team.

Do you want to talk about it first? Pistons. Okay. Oh, first, first, before chat right now, spam, are you buying your selling Pistons? But in the meantime, shout out to NV-1271, before I forget, for donating $20. He said in the upcoming predictions episode, y'all should do a segment where you look back and see who did the best job last year

at rankings, awards, or whatever. Trust me, we will. Because last year, our predictions were fucking horrendous. So we're definitely going to go over them a little bit. Okay, Moe, tell us about the Detroit Pistons. Yeah, the Detroit Pistons. Seeing Cade Cunningham have the amount of space that he was able to work with.

Just now again, it's preseason. But still, the spacing and the sets that J.B. Bickerstaffes has implemented. I don't know he's looking like Coach Carter or whatever you said, Donovan, it's working. No headies, no headphones. Listen, ankle socks only.

Where did you look at that? You get a little bit of discipline in the organization. I'm absolutely in love with it, bro. Like, Cade Cunningham is actually operating his face for the first time as comfortably as possible. And on top of that, too, you actually have a dude next to him

who's alleviating pressure in space and all that in Jaden Ivy. He's been fully just like given the reins and see and on top of that too what's more like shocking and jarring about this whole preseason pisses experience is seeing the shooting leap specifically that jaden ivy has taken coming into college he was viewed as like a job morin as pot like prodigy prospects in terms of like yo super athletic but jump shot broke his shit now still has that athleticism that jump shot is no broke he rewired it and it's working like shit. So far. So far. This is preseason. The mid-range is looking really good, but I'm not-

But in terms of the mechanics of it, it looks so much better than what it's used to. I'm going to need some more time before I believe it, just because like you said, broke a shit at one point. So I'm going to need some real basketball for like 20 games, but it is promising. So I'm buying a little bit of business stocks. And I'm buying, buying them to this extent to where I'm saying that they're not going to be the worst team in the Eastern Conference this year. Oh yeah. Now, yeah. And of course not. Of course not. Have you seen the Washington Wizards? The unsurious organization.

Dude, they're losing about like 30 points a game in preseason. How do you do that? That's the like point differential or something like that? It's either like the point differential or the net rating. It's their margin. It's not a scoring margin. Yeah.

It's how much they've lost by. It's crazy. But yeah, I mean, I think buying those piston stock is like the most safe buy you could make. You can't get lower than the worst team in the league. Like it's only up for me. here. So I'm with you. It's buying stock and the worst thing you possibly could in praying

there's at least some improvement. You're probably going to make a little bit of money at least. Who, Tobias Harrison's venture leadership is going to be such, it's going to be appreciated so much. And as far as Tim Hardaway Jr., I mean, he's just there collecting money. Shot to a backtacer. He's there taking shots. Every time he touches it, it's going up into the guy. Yeah, exactly. I'm very high on them. ESPN did their annual

Top 100 rankings, and we're going to react to it on Friday for the episode that comes out this week whenever the top 50 comes out, because they just release 100 through 51. And I'll just tell you one that we're not going to discuss in the TikTok. They put Kid Cunningham at 67. That's insane. And I get it.

He hasn't been that great. He hasn't been a number one pick quality star that we once hoped he could be. 67 is fucking dumb. Like, what are we talking about? 67? Get out of my face. They looked at all the starters in the league. A couple of bench players.

And they're like, yeah, no, like, Kate Cunningham is worse than this dude. Oh, yeah. That means he's worse than every single starter in the league. Pretty much, yeah. And a couple of dudes off the middle. It depends on you look at it. Bad math.

No, no, no. It's not correct. That's terrible math. There's 150 starters in the league. Oh, there's, wait, there. Oh, yeah. Let me get the top two guys. Like the top two guys from everything.

yeah that's yeah that's still disgusting work whatever math whatever matth you want to use yeah i don't know why whatever mad you want to use this is a terrible thing to put out there thank god i thought about it for a second after believing you for a split second i was like wait a minute hold on hold okay well let's get to another positive one as i alluded to it a little bit ago I'm buying hawk stock You did it again I'm doing it I did it last year

I did it last year And it burned the shit out of me I'm doing it again I ain't a lot I'm doubling down a couple bucks You were down bad But it was my fault I never sold you a dream

I sold you a dream And I had lend you a hand Tell me why you're buying a hawk sock I just think that if you have a star guard And you got a bunch of six nine dudes Who can dribble pass and shoot You're probably gonna be better

than people think Because people are thinking and they're going to be, like, horrible because they trade to Jonté Murray. They seemly take a step back, and they're, you know, kind of in limbo. The only talking point for the beginning of the summer and the free agency was,

where the fuck are we shipping Trey Young off to? Because he's not staying in Atlantic because they got nothing now. And I think despite losing a, you know, borderline all-star level player, they're simply going to be better next year. And to me, that's a buy. If you're going to get better

when people will probably expect you to get worse, you buy that at least a little bit. You put a little bit of investment into that. Donovan is over here throwing a fit. Now, let me say this, Donovan. He can pitch whatever fits he wants. Simple as this. Sometimes less is more.

Sometimes less is more. And with DeJante Murray being thrown into the wolves over there in the New Warren's Pelican territory, that allows not only Trey Young to go ahead and do what he does and be like a top six, seven offense alone with that six, that's six. that 6-1 frame. Jalen Johnson continues to grow. Dyson Daniels, humongous point-of-attack defender that we've been begging for for years.

He is what we thought Desonte Murray would be on the defensive end, and that was furthest from the case. And on top of that, too, for who? Oh, Dyson and Trey? For Dyson, Riesce Shea and Jalen Johnson, the 6-9 Lightskin Coalition, we need a nickname for these three guys because they're going to be shackling people. That is going to be a good-ass defensive trio While also all of them can shoot

All of them can dribble All of them get to the rim in varying levels It's extremely versatile And that always should have been the vision Around your small point guard Yeah, exactly. I 110% agree. Now, and on top of that too,

we have, there's a little bit depth to us now because there's names that I would never dare to mention to you guys Because you'd be like, who the hell is that guy? But bit, Vitt, Greshi? Oh my God, that brother I saw that bounce pass. I saw that bounce pass.

Oh, my God. He's been like that. He's been like that. But who am I here sitting here talking about last round of a podcast about some dude who wasn't even on a guaranteed contract? Well, damn it, it's guaranteed now. When he's such an important connective wing, six, seven dude who can swat, sling it like he's magic. Oh, my God. You don't believe it now, but trust me, you will.

You will. All they need is a center. And I believe they got a first round pickback in the Dyson Daniel trade, right? Yeah, it's the Lakers. it was Dyson oh yeah the Lakers pick they have that I don't remember their other pick situation after the Dejante trade but it's been some years now so I'm sure they've recuperated some of their assets they're not going to be chasing a title any time soon

I'm not under that type of disillusionment but if they can go out there and get a center if God forbid the Nets blow it up and they get rid of Nick Claxton which I think would be a mistake but if he was available imagine adding him to the Leiskin Coalition that got two through four and put Nick Claxon at the five that's just they're one good sense are a way that can defender a way that can defend and have hands that aren't of amidst like

some of the chat said that's all they need and they're going to be a complete team that is you know competitive that's a fantastic that's a fantastic competitive and then on top of that too competitive for the 60th not exactly we're taking steps in the right direction that's all we could ask for at this point in time does this team year after year after year we've been disappointed i have this question for y'all and i'm asking chat i'm asking right now do the hawks break 40 wins this season. Yes. Yeah, they're the Hawks.

They're going to have 41. We know what they do. They're going to be 500. What you said? They're absolutely breaking 40 wins. They won 36 games last year. Yeah, they'll probably be like 41 to 41 this year. Do they break 40 wins this year?

I think so. Let me know. They break 40 wins. I think they're going to be the eight or nine seed, something like that. Lower half of the play-in. They're not going to make any type of splash, but they're going to be in that mix. Yeah, solid nine seed. Once again, they can't be worse.

we're talking about a team you said eight or nine C that was the the 10 C last year like I understand the idea so I'm buying it they're going for 10 to 8 that's a nice little less little profit right it's too minimal it's too minimal but but what I mean is I'm buying them long term too like this year I think they'll be solid and I buy the long term vision of jalen johnson risa shay and trade young I think that's something to invest in for the next three years let trade get hurt now it's a whole entire different discussion, but we're talking long-term future. They're on the right there.

This isn't about their line. Yeah. I don't care if you guys hurt in the end of sucking. That's not the point. Let anybody start get hurt and they're going to be disappointing. I know. I'm just trying to hate. All right. What's your next team, Donovan? Let's do, Donovan. Let's do one more team before we move on to the draft. Okay. I actually have two. because the first one is very

it's actually not a team we will talk about it when everything gets finalized but I think I'm buying city jerseys this year you're buying him cut off his mic cut off his mic cut off his mic from the leaks that I've seen

I'm kind of impressed I've hated city jerseys for years now I don't hate them as much as I normally do when the leaks come out I think I'm kind of okay with it. And I think, I think, I think of maybe like 10 off the top of my head that I can like remember seeing and be like, yeah, that's pretty decent. I think I, I think I'm in on city jerseys, especially now that they are like the in season tournament thing and you wear them on like Tuesdays and Fridays and stuff.

And it's kind of like. Yeah. Some rules to it now. Okay. I kind of like it. I kind of like it. It's not bad. No, I'm also buying the in season tournament courts.

Have you seen them? They're way better this year. They took away some of the ones that are way too bright. team the courts. They're the same. They don't have that stripe down the middle. They're one color. And a lot of ones that were too intense. No, trust me better now. Like, it's like a light blue. That's just all light blue instead of a big yellow stripe. It's much more pleasant on the eyes. That weird contrast isn't there anymore. But it's very colorful. And they learn some of the harsh ones are gone. Like, they look clean. Are we getting no more red courts? Because

that was tough to watch. I can't watch. There's one red court still that I'm like, did you not learn anything? I want to say it was a rocket, I think. And one, that's like a light red. It's like a soft like pastel red which works okay all right cool yeah i i i don't know what the course look like so when yeah i'll check those out soon but the jerseys kind of been on them so that's one two i am in on the minnesota timblewolves i was kind of i was kind of i was kind of skeptical after the trade because i was like okay like you you trade cat you bring in you bring in uh you bring in Randall, not really sure how the fit is going to be. Everyone's been talking about, you know, Randall playing with another big, like O'Bair,

who's a non-spacer, that doesn't really scare me. But I'm looking at the way that Anthony Edwards has played in preseason. Listen, this man, this man is here for the throne. We've talked to the last, like, year and a half about who the best shooting guard in the league is. Andy Edwards is showing up this season, making sure that we know. it's him. I'm with you. Dante DiVinchenzo, walking in, pulling up from 25,

cashing stuff, talking mess, I'm in. Julius Randall, adding another ball handler and scoring, I'm in. Rob Dillingham, listen. Shifty? Exactly, Shifty score off the bench? I'm in. I really like the Timberwolves this year,

and I think that they are in a really good position to repeat the great season that they had last year. Yeah. Real quick, for it. it goes by. Shout out to not Tray Man for tipping $1. He said can we talk about the Hornet success in the preseason? No.

But I'll talk about the other part you said. Success in the preseason means that I've seen nothing to me. But I do like the Hornets a lot this year. You said Mellow MVP, Trey Man 6 man of the year. Brandon Miller, most improved player, Mark Williams, D.P.O.I. And Charles Leaco to the year. Damn, that's the greatest season of all time. Y'all are losing a damn game.

No, I don't care about the preseason success, but I do really, really like the Hornets this year. I'll say that real quick That's another one of my buy Honestly I'm just running back The place from last year Where I was high on the Hornets And I was high on the Hawks

Once again I'm believing in the vision Because they both got a little bit better I think Hopefully they don't burn me Losing no ad is finest I love it Because I'm the same way

But if they're healthy I am in on the Hornets Also being in the playing race Okay Okay Okay How do you feel about the Timberwolves And chat

Spam it up Are you buying or selling Timberwell stock Post Carl Anthony Townshade so I'm so in on the timber rules the second this trade happened I think you guys are more like what the hell the timber rules do when I was like yeah I get it

did what you had to do just rip off the mandate get over a quick and I was just immune to like you know all the sad feelings of the whole thing and all that and I was looking at yo I was looking at from besides of things like you know like they freed up so much money Yeah exactly I were emotional

Oh my God that was kids man That was Anthony Edwards man relax All right, they feed up so much money. And on top of that, too, over the last year, last podcast. They didn't free up money. They dodged the second apron. They dodge paying more money. Julius Randall, yeah, they did free up money because Kat's contract lasts over the next four years.

And Julius Randall is a free agent, I believe, after this season. So they paid money. They duck the tax. They're not going to have cap space like that. They're going to have more money to give to guys like Noz Reed, which they didn't have prior for Cal or Anthony Town. So they freed up money. To duck the tax. They duck the tax.

They can be cheap. They freed up the ability to be cheap. That's what they did. So, yeah, and they freed up money to be cheap. Point blank period. That's fair. He's right. He's right.

Yeah, but like, you can't. No, make sure we don't frame it like they are going to be free agency buyers. No one's saying that. Their team's not getting better because of it. That's your fault. Their teams not can get better because they got rid of the money. They are allowing themselves to hold it together longer. They free up money.

It's like for the sake of Nazreid and the Jada McDaniels of the world and all that other stuff. Freed up money to be more. flexible. They're repayment gain and stuff. Do whatever. Yeah, exactly. So, point is, boom, okay, I then start to think of like, whoa, like, Dante Tim and Chinzo, I don't know a lot of people aren't thinking of him,

thinking of him as one of the best sixth men, just two guards, and one of the better two guards in general of the league, one of the best role players, this is the best way to put it, in the entire league. Okay. Human flamethrower, 40% from three on like seven, eight attempts per

game. Not a lot of players, are doing that in general. And considering the Timberville's struggles and woes, this is a humongous W for them. And I'm sowing on them. I'm so on on them. I don't know if they're going to surpass their win total from last year, but I think they're going to be around the realm of like 50-ish wins,

which is huge, considering how much better the West got. They're worse still, but not a huge amount. Like you said, I think even if they don't pass their win total from last year, they're going to be relatively the same, which is a dub, whenever you can make your non-second apron savings and do your thing and keep the rest of the team together you can kind of play the middle ground with it and so that's cool i i don't think they really have a first seed ceiling like i we saw them do a lot of last year before injuries at them no yeah but they'll still be top horsey

for sure which is good no they're hooping they're hooping this year i yeah i think after after after about like what has it been like two weeks since the since the trade I kind of, like I still understand it for the NICS, but long term and short term, I really like what the Tim Wolves did. And it makes a lot of sense. So, yeah, listen, you guys will see on Friday where I have the Two Wolves, but I am in on Minnesota this year. Yeah, man. Stay tuned for the prediction episode coming this Friday. It's going to be a good one. We're predicting all the standings, all the award winners. We're picking our agendas for the year. We're going to look back at our terrible rankings from last year. It's going to be great.

You say it's going to be a good one. Dare I say it's going to be a, T2-T3 Classic. You know, it else is going to be a good one. The draft that we're about to do right now. Shout out everybody who stuck through for the entire buying and selling portion of the episode. Now it's time to have some fun. We are going to draft.

Where's the first pick? Mojo 99 has a first pick. Woo! It's been a month since I got a first pick. It's been exactly two drafts. Those lottery pick, those lottery balls went my way. Oh my God, let's do it. So this draft is going to be fun.

We're going to do another build a player draft where we draft body, shooting, defense, playmaking, and finishing to build our ideal man. And this time, we're going to build men that have won a DPOI. So building the perfect DPOI player. This is a fun one. Honestly, the DPOI winner's out history here, it's just like amazing players. So it's a fun mix-ups when we've been drafting scrubs recently. the building my ideal man let's do it let's build some dudes let's do it mo where we're going with the first pick and then build your own dpo i draft

okay build my own dpo y draft so for body go ahead and talk uh huh don't know that's my pick all right i can take as long as I don't want, right? No, you can't. So, for body, watch me. So for body, go ahead and give me Janus Attentacumpo. I need to be seven foot long as possible, can stretch from anywhere. There's no such thing as a mismatch for me. Okay. Listen, one of the best bodies of all time. Okay, not bad, not bad. All right, I'm going to start off. Listen, a lot of these guys

are centers. So give me some shooting. Give me. Give me. give me Kauai letter oh thank god I don't know how this happened give me Michael Jordan shooting eh not a great three point shooter Luke cares is the best midway shooter of all time give me Michael Jordan shooting

it's 2024 brother just as a shooter just as a shooter I don't mind that give me Michael Jeffrey Jordan shooting you got it you got to enjoy enjoy his shooting enjoy 301% from the three point line

He has some good three-point shooting gear Trust me Oh, nice, three times per game That's perfectly fine We did the best mid-ray shooter of all time Like, of all time I'm happy for ever, Demar And for body

Give me David Robinson's body Oh, see, that's good That's a military man right there That is government-created That's good End-up citizen, we love it That's good Can't hit on that

all right for playmaking give me gary peyton okay that's yeah i was really thinking about picking that the only point guard on here it's it's the gary payton playmaking or mark your smart playmaking you got to here we go you got to pick your battles okay so for playmaking give me draymond green serri will pass it for his size i need okay not bad I knew you were going to do that. It was obvious. Yeah, of course. There's three good passes here, so I'm fine being last.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then, so I got shooting and defense and finishing left. There's not that many good shooters left here. So, I'll bypass that for now. For defense, go ahead and give me Kevin Garnett. Ah. Yeah, big personal. I just don't know why you would pick defense anything last.

These are all DPO-wise. Yeah, they're all DPO-wise, but it's what I like, bro. Like, don't question the logic. Stay on that side. All right. Okay, okay. How about that? All right.

Oops. For finishing, give me Hakima Lajuan. Give me the, damn. I want the dream shake. I want the post me more all of that. That's exactly what I was going to do. I need that. Damn.

Okay. David, Robert said with the dream shake? Oh, my goodness. So what I'm going to do is, give me a high-flying dunker to go in this David Robinson body. Give me Dwight Howard finishing. God. That was going to be my body. That was going to be my body.

Give me the most dunks in NBA history, Dwight Howard. High-flying dunker. That is good. Yep. And then, see, I got defense and don't have got to pick passing yet. Defense, which DPOI do I want to pick for my defense? Who's most optimal for your body? No, I want to be, I want to have David Robinson size with crazy versatility.

Give me Dennis Rodman defense. I want to be able to guard perimeter. players. Okay. You're killing me right now. You're killing me right now. I got to figure something out. I got to figure something out. This guy's filthy.

See. I wish I got to have Draymond. I was going to have Ramon there and be that type of point guard defender, but I'll settle for Dennis fucking Rodman. See? Got him. And your question of my Dremont swipe. No, I didn't question Dremont. I question Kevin Garnett. Dramon's a great drink.

If you didn't pick Dremont pass, thing i probably would have for body for body give me a guy who just swole give me a lonsa morning that's a random ass body you just want a big body that's it that's all i need that's all i need okay is his body better than ruddy go bear's body i'm rudy go bear right now is different come on those big old feet

stumbling around no he can't move he has on the offensive side he has absolutely no coordination yeah i won't know okay okay i can't hit on that okay so you got alonzo morning kawai painting and the king so these are my last two picks who shooting and finishing okay so for shooting is just logical give me the most modern player here who's one defensive player of the year give me jaron jackson junior for finishing yep he said for finishing he said for finishing oh no no no no he fucking Hold it again. You can't talk and it keeps

fucking you over. You folded. No, that was valid. We got a seller. We got a seller. Jared's Sajer for finishing is so bad. Two cells in a row.

No. James Jones strikes again. Jaron Jensen Jr. is right there for shooting. He can't finish at all. If it wasn't for this miss. speaks, mishaps, then I would fry

you guys. Maybe not fry you guys, but I wouldn't be cooked. I wouldn't be cooked. Ah, no. Okay. Marcus Marys shooting, welcome to Moe's team. Shit. I've got to had Janice Body, Jerry Jackson, Jr.

shooting. But you messed up. Defense, Draymond. This is beats everything, bro. Yeah, we have to sign. him up for speech class. Not even speech class.

I got too damn excited. Oh my God. Shout out to Ashton for tipping $15. He said, Love the Pod. Out here watching the live while also stressing over calculus two exams I got tomorrow.

That's not a life I miss. We appreciate you, Ashton. Hey, man, just don't go. Don't say that. Don't, oh, my God. Don't give him that advice. There we. Okay, anyways.

Back to this draft. Okay, I guess shooting five. I have no choice but to select Marcus, Mark. Damn it. Most inconsistent shooter here. See, that's tough. Yikes. Yikes. Yikes.

Yikes. This team sucks. All right. Now listen. You guys also have versatile defenders. So let me get the most versatile guy. Let me get somebody that can still guard wings. And just with his defensive mentality, I know that I can put him into anybody and it'll work. I won't run our test for defense.

Hmm. Okay. I want my defender to be a maniac. But now you have a big man that can't protect the room, though. But okay. What do you mean small? I have Alonzo morning. But you can't protect the rim with them.

So what's the point? How? Because you have Ron Artax defense. You don't think Ron Artax at seven foot is going to be able to guard anybody? All right, man. Give me joking Noah playmaking. steal of the draft Joe Keel Noah

I don't understand Joe Keem Noah was out here leading the league in triple doubles with four in a year he was different generational talent Hey wasn't he in MVP MVP ballots too

In the same way that Saboos was this year All right right All right don't disrespect No it was leagues above Sabonis all right Leagues I don't know about that But okay, my player is David Robinson body, Michael Jordan shooting, Dennis Rodman defense, Joe Kim Noah playing, and Dwight Howard finishing. All right.

My player. Nobody wanted the best part of all time. I have a Lonza morning body, Kauai Leonard shooting, Ron Arte's defense, Gary Payton playmaking, and Hakeem Olajuwon finishing. Yeah, I got it. I got it. Yeah, you probably have the best. You probably have the best. So I got Janice Body, Marcus Marcia shooting.

KG defense. Don't be hurt. Play making a dream on and I got Jaron Jackson Jr. finishing. It's not bad he's big but if you know, Jared Jackson's... Come on now. I get excited. I get excited. I get excited. I'm like, oh my God, bro. Chad, spam it up, who wins? And why is it Mo?

I'm seeing Don wins, Don the goat, Isaac clears. Well, we all know who's in third. I think game recognizes game. I think everybody understands that I did win this draft. I don't know. You picked Alonzo Morning body.

There's so many better bodies. People are overlooking that because they think bodies are just bodies. There's so many other athletic guys you could have picked. Alonzo Morning's body is regular. When I body you, straight up. Understand what's about that.

People don't understand. I don't know. I don't know. You're talking about athletics and shit. I'm talking about the defense's specific skills. Oh, he also picked the worst. He also picked the worst defender here, by the way, so let's not pretend that's not a thing. Who? You?

I don't understand. I don't know. You got the worst body and the worst defense. A lot of defense is just about it's about energy. It's about effort. It's about want to. You didn't get a lot of people. Not a lot of people who, how does he play defense? Dangerously. We're on our test. Dangerously. That's how

he plays defense. You think Rod our test goes brain empty? No. he's crazy but he's also smart and that smart leads to him playing good defense we got to implement a category for mind that's what we need mentality yeah yeah yeah we need a mentality section

that's what we need for sure yeah yeah listen that's really listen that's really what we're picking from DPO wise and to have a defense category from dPO wise yeah I just want this guy's brain and how he approaches defense

Yeah, mentality would be a nice addition to this. That would be a big separator here. Set out to Austin for tip of another $10. I hope I'm saying that right. He said James Jones and Jaron Jackson Jr., Moe's two biggest nightmares. Jaron Jackson, Jr., row. James Jones, and I feel like I've done that before, too. You have.

Exactly two times, which isn't a lot, but it's weird to happen twice. James Jones, bro. Next thing we're going to do, we're going to go on NBA Reddit, and we're going to look at the best hot takes we can find. and the worst ones from NBA Reddit. Let's go. I don't know if y'all ever been on here before, but there's a lot of terrible shit on Reddit

across every niche. I think the NBA will be no different, but it should be funny to look through it. Talk to me. What are they talking about? To do this, I found a thread somebody made two months ago that said, what are your hot takes for the 2025 season? So we're going to see what all these people

submitted as their hot takes. The first one is from the guy who made it, Curry for real. He said Denver's going to get upset in the first round. are we given that a W take or an L take that's an L take there's no way this happens unless Denver like

it depends on who they see in the first arm but even then it's the L take this is L this is one of the 13 one of the 15 best players of all time living and your roster is still like very capable this is the L

I don't think it's crazy to say it so we're just writing as a hot take it's a W hot take you think KC Pete is that much of a difference maker? To make your team fall off? It's not that. It's not that specifically but I'm as we've been going

through like as we've been revving up for the predictions episode I keep thinking about like okay who's going to be in the top four and then there's always like two teams that get left out of the top four and I just keep thinking like okay who's going to be there who's going to be there and the nuggets

listen they were down for a lot of the series against the Lakers they just knew how to win because the Lakers were like incompetent but it wouldn't be it wouldn't have been crazy if that series and it ended up going like you know four two Lakers because of a couple plays like they they can get got they're not unbeatable I am certainly not going to predict it though everybody can get got though any any series can be any given teams day I'm not going to come out here and predict the Nuggets are more likely

to lose in the first round than they are to get out of it listen when it when it when it happens I might have to steal this for my own I might have to do that Wow. Dyson Giddy says, Giddy balls out in Chicago. I'm going to go ahead and give that an L-take. El-take. I'm not buying any Josh Giddy stock of any sort.

Ignored. Yeah. Oh, this is a good one. This is actual hot take. A team that missed the playoffs will be in the conference finals this year. Since 2020, the West Winter has missed the playoffs for the five previous years. That's interesting.

So who missed the playoffs? last year that has a chance of really breaking into conference finals this year. Can Tray Young carry the hawks back to the conference finals? Pelicans? Ooh, the Pelicans. The Pelicans would be they have the best chance of doing that. Oh, wait, no.

It's looking us right in the fucking face. It's the Memphis Grizzlies. For the West, yeah, that's probably one of the most obvious. It's so easily the Memphis Grizzlies. The Pelicans would be a good pick if they didn't spend the summer. I identifying all the weaknesses and doubling down on them,

proceeding to make them worse. If they had done something to relieve their front court log jam, make less playmakers and more supporting players in the roster, then I'd be with you. But they did the complete opposite, and I'm easily the Grizzlies. I'm leading the Grizzlies. Outside of the Grizzies in the West, who else, who you might lean to?

I guess the Rockets, if they find a star. You believe in the Rockets more than the Warriors? I don't believe the Warriors fucking at all. So by default, yes. I'm not picking the Warriors to do anything substantive this year Unless they make a big trade Which I guess is never impossible But I'm fully out on the Golden State Warriors in 2024, 2025

Oh, I did forget I did forget that the Pelicans made the playoffs Oh yeah, yeah They got stomped in the first round by the thunder My bad, it was a forgettable experience My bad Okay, so who in the east? I guess the Hawks, I guess

No, no, it would I only know the Heat made it. Yeah, the Heat made it. We're not going to pick the Hornets. We're not going to pick. It's not the Bulls. I guess it is the Hawks. Woo!

Hey, either Grizzlies or the Hawks, you're going to be in the conference finals. The math is the math. I love it. You got it. That's my favorite saying. Here's a hot take by, let me just keep scrolling because that

LeBron average is 30 a game. That's not an interesting hot take. The Bucks defeat the Celtics in the playoffs. that's a little hot let's assume yon this is healthy let's assume yon this is healthy would it blow your mind if the bucks came back for blood

and were able to you know make a finals definitely at this point in time no one nobody and their grandmother believes in the Milwaukee bucks whenever somebody talks about the Milwaukee bucks

and the biggest threat or whenever somebody talks about the top teams in the Eastern Conference you're mentioning a hundred times out of 100 the New York Knicks before the bucks

you're mentioning a team like the Philadelphia 76ers before the bucks So it's like, it'll be a surprise because everyone's pretty much down on them. I think it's a good hot take, though. I don't know if I believe it, but if you told me there's a world

where Janus is fully healthy, Dame has a clear and present mind comes in, he's in shape, he plays like Dame of old. Last year when the season started, we were all saying the competition is Celtics or Bucks, not Celtics'omp everybody.

So they clearly have the ceiling. We once believe that to be true. I wouldn't be, crazier things have happened and then a bucks bounce back. Yeah, I would love to see it. It would be shocking. Now with that being said,

I'm going to predict the Celtics to make the finals, but it's possible. Yeah, as any logical man should, but this would be, this is a W-take in my opinion. I like this. Good thing I'm not logical. Shea becomes a first player

since Steph 10 years ago to win the MVP and a title in the same year, but he doesn't win finals MVP. That is so specific. I love it. Who the hell made this post? You see the future?

Yeah, listen. I think that the Thunder are going to win like 65 games and Blitz the West. I think the Thunder have a very good chance of beating the Celtics in the finals. I think that Jalen Williams is good enough to maybe have a crazy series where you look up and he's averaging 26 because he got hot from three. And you're like, I guess he's got to be the MVP. I could totally see this. This is oddly specific.

This is like, I'm not even thinking about like, yeah. whether or not this is happening. I'm thinking about why would you wish this on Shaco's Alexander is like that weird about like, do you know the stain,

not even the stain, what the aiders would do with this information? What is the thing? Do you know the hell that people gave Steph Curry for years upon years upon years

never winning that final as MVP? Come on now. It'd be hilarious. Don't do this. Another good part later on in this taking the thing says the Thunder get the number two

pick in the draft and get Cooper flag presumably through the Clippers pick they own. That would be fucking hysterical. I would love for that to happen. That's going to happen. That's going to happen. Dude, think of the top eight pick

from the Clippers. Anything of the sort would be so funny. Clippers fans would have nothing to live for. Ace Bailey, welcome to the Oklahoma City Thunder. Ooh, a third good part here. The Knicks are the Minnesota Tim Bulls of this year, where their entire purpose

is to take out an injured Celtics team in the second round in order for somebody else to win the East. That's good. Last year, the Tim Bulls were built almost exclusively to beat the nuggets and they accomplished that because Jamal Murray was on one leg. The Knicks had these two defensive stopper wings presumably put together to stop Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown.

Imagine they'd knock them out just to get curbstont by Yannis in the conference finals. That would be hilarious. This is what movies are made up right here. Facts. Write it. This is what movies are made of. I love it.

We call this a third act callback in the biz. We call this foreshadowing. Settled foreshadow. We call this historical symmetry. I like it. A lot of dame going off. Boston, not making out of the East. A lot of basic ass takes here.

Zach E. Ricky the Year, not really a hot take. You know that. Maybe a little bit of hot take. I mean, that's just a fact. It's just going to happen. Bam, drags the Warriors.

I mean, Steph drags the Warriors to the Western Carpins finals. No real evidence to support this. Just vibes. And honestly, that's how the best hot takes are formed. Just a feeling. You would have to average 3840 doing that. W take.

He's going to do it. Someone said Lakers lose to Denver. Once again, not a hot take. At this point, the history says it's a certainty. Soutics repeat. Sons will miss the playoffs. So I guess people think that people are going to get hurt. That's an L take.

That's a L take. Yeah, I've said it many times. I'm buying all the sunstock I can get. It'll be pie in my face if this happens, so I'm going to hope this guy is terribly wrong. They're just too, dare I say, deep now of a team to just completely miss out on the playoffs and things make a lot more sense on their team,

they're not going to miss the playoffs. It can't happen. There's no way that happens. He's a real hot take. Clay has a bounce back season and is the second best player on a really good Mavs team. So the hot take is Clay will be better than Kyrie Irving.

No. Sorry, fan. Those days are over. Those days are over. No. That's a hell take. That is a horrible take, but I, could you imagine?

Let's imagine a world in which this happens for a second. And we get vintage Clay Thompson next to Luca Donchich. How do you feel as a Warriors fan if Luca is able to revive him and Steph Curry can't? If for all these years, for all these years, Steph Curry fans are like, me including, he are like, he's the best riser of teammates ever. lifts all ties you play next to him you'll get better

you'll get open shots because of the gravity but then his number one teammate gets washed and only Luca Dantra's can save him that would hurt

the agendas no I would have hurt the agendas it would just bump up Lucas true he's a better floor raiser than Steph Curry yeah talk about

he is James he is James Hardin's production with Steph Curry's floor raising of everybody else Is she just the goat at that point? I hate narrative talk like this.

I hate it. I'm just what the people would say. I wouldn't say it, but they would. I'm people. Looking for a top five. God, get off of Luca, man. Damn. I don't want to.

Get off of him. This is a good hot take. Nas read, period. Nas read. W. Take. Big if true. Nasreed.

I love that. Nas read. Next hot take. Luca will be fat, comma, media won't call it out. Here's the thing, here's the thing. How old this guy? We got to ignore that. Here's the thing.

Luca may be fat. He is known to get out of shape. The part where he's off is the media will absolutely call it out. They love talking about Luca being out of shape. That will not go ignored. Media loves calling anybody fat. Facts. If you come into camp five pounds overweight, you would treat it.

Stephen A. Smith is having a field day. what did he say the last time he saw someone big he said he said listen I literally have people on my phone saying and this is a quote he will eat the table that he said about Zion who's he talking about Zion

Stephen A is just very happy that he's in shape in his old age and he just loves to fucking smash in people's faces and fat shaming anybody fatty fatty fatty fatty such a little kid the chefs sit in New Orleans They love them. They're looking for them.

They're looking for them. Dramatic as hell. Alprin Sengoon will be considered a top five center in the league. Sorry, but you're wrong. What would it take for Sengun to make the kind of league? Because the top five, just in no order, or loose order. Obviously, Yokic and B, AD, top three. Assume victim woman Yama and BAM are the next tier.

So what would it take it? You can't bring into that. What is Sanghaung got to do to get into BAM conversations? In order to get a BAM-Colns. You got to put, no, okay, let's let's- Okay, I said BAM conversations, not LeBron conversations. Yeah, in order for-Average 27. He could put up 25, have passable defense,

and on top of that, too, we need to see, like, that playmaking take another league. We need you see you bend offenses a little bit. And then you can entertain a combos. And he has to just, like, become a really good defender, or at least, like, above average, which. above average passable he can be average i don't know if singoon can ever be above average as a defender i don't think he's ever going to be out here impacting shots at the rim like that yeah i agree you're just not gonna break

into that five yes it's a really tough five not to mention chet hongren lurking there at number six we got bear i forget about set and we even talk about rudy there's cat too oh yeah i mean well he he's in those comments he's on your team now donovan what are you talking about He's not immune to San Gung conversations because he's a Nick, I'll tell you that. So bonus? Here's a fun one. Here's a fun one.

Cv3 traded at the deadline to come off the bench for the bucks and win a ring. He loses to the bucks in the finals and then comes in with them and potentially helps them push as their sixth man. Now I'm going out of take.

I refuse to believe that the bucks. It's a shamelessly ring chasing right here. Are just like, yeah, let's trade You can't decide. True. But then again, if you're already old, double down. Just be like the best old you could be. Just like collect all the old Infinity Stones.

Nah. CP3 got to go to L.A., bro. He knows he has to brawny a thing or two. He wants to go ahead and... He's the only one who hasn't played me. True. Yeah, exactly. He needs to go to L.A.

The hottest take of the day from Grid Iron K. And Bid makes the ECF. Yeah, right. Okay, too far. This is what dreams are made of. Yeah, right. And this is why he doesn't want to play back to bags. He's tired of trolling people like this on Reddit.

Come on now, man. This is what I'm talking about when I say Reddit is full of the craziest things in the world. Like, some people are logical and have fair, nuanced takes. Some people just about impossible bullshit. You can't really separate it. It's never happening. Let it go. He's not making the conference finals.

Anthony Edwards wins MVP. Now, he's obviously, we're not going to predict that but do you think he could be in that mix like would it shock you who's we all right never mind he could only be in that mix if he's like top three in the in the west and he's put up like 29 bro and he makes like a playmaking leap on top of having an insane defense come on now you know none of that sounds impossible i'll say that you're saying very reasonable things yeah i can't like i expect you to say this is a lot more difficult than like just do what you did in the playoffs

Playmaking, no. That was a major, yeah, in the playoffs, so. I saw signs of improvement. I don't know how high those signs can carry him, but I saw, what you're telling me, based off of your standards, Anthony Edwards might be MVP next year. Oh, okay, that's not happening. Zero chance overshy. The Warriors Land Cooper flag. I'm not going to lie. If Adam Silver is ever going to rig a draft, this might be the one to do it. This might be really good for the NBA. Let me see how good of a commissioner are you, Adam. Let me see.

Are you willing to put your integrity on the line for the betterment of the league? I need to see it. How bad do you want it? Because if so, Cooper Flagg will be a Golden State warrior. And that will be decided tomorrow. Fix the sins that was committed by this previous regime front office of the Golden State Warriors. We need it. Streets are saying that Adam Silver is in Roger Goodell talk, that he can never be David's turn.

Nobody believes in you. What are you prepared to do? to do about it. Will you do a Patrick Ewing to prove yourself? Damn, I dropped my phone on the left. That's how you, sweet, Adam. Well, the five of Cleveland. Pelicans trade Ingram, yeah, boring.

Let's see. What else we got before we get out of here? It's going to happen. Do, do, do. Somebody predicted the Julius Randall would get traded during the season. This was he once ago. He called it. That's hilarious. Let's see. Any more interesting ones? Jimmy Butler forces his way out of Miami Would you be shocked if the deadline came around

And Jimmy Butler was on a new team Oh absolutely, yeah, I didn't call this But I'm 100% for this Yeah, I was like, yeah, like this is his last stint Miami their voodoo, their black magic Has seemingly run out And yo, it's over, they're cooked You can only get so many chances to like strike

And they ran out Zion stays fully healthy this season and is in the race for league MVP. All right. All right. This is where we pack it up. This is the worst take.

I ran it there. Again, we're talking crazy. I wish it were so. I wish it were so. But I wish lots of things were so and I'm not necessarily going to stake a claim on it. Come on now, man. I wish.

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