The Deep 3 Podcast - Early Season NBA Teams We're Worried About | TD3 Live

Episode Date: November 4, 2025

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this is what stream three of the regular season something like that essentially week three yeah we've been pretty positive we've been talking pretty sunshines and rainbows where all the teams are surprising us

being nice that teams we're undervalued under respected coming into the year I think today we'd talk about teams are going the other way at this point in the season hell yeah I'm too friendly to those

I'm too aware and too just I've been around those words a lot though my entire history of a basketball fan sadly I hate it this is the worst time of the year I actually don't like basketball right now actually thinking about being full on football guy I'm actually thinking about putting my position

my spot here on this show up for sale up for grabs email me I wonder why Mo's was saying that we can go ahead we can start with the reason that you feel so down and bad right now chat let me hear some rip the hawks in the chat because the first thing we're going to talk about today trae young is injured triang has a sprained mcel on his right knee and will be re-evaluated

in four weeks mo how are you feeling right now as a hawks fan uh man man i don't know if you guys realize but i haven't been on twitter at all recently why because i'm less i'm left speechless it's not on purpose i haven't been avoiding the internet at all i've just been so depressed You know, like when I watch the Hawks, I watch despair on the court. I see what Zachary Rich to say, not knowing how to dribble. I see John Johnson playing like zero defense effort-wise. I see my dribble penetration, my main source of that coming from Nikila Alexander Walker in Dyson Daniels. Brother, that's disgusting.

I'm in hell right now. Yeah, it's not a fun time to be a hawks fan, I'm sure. Obviously, you don't want to lose trail for any sustained period. Four weeks is kind of a long time. They were already starting off slow. They were already looking up and seeing, Dan, the Bucks are overperforming us. You know, we're in this group preseason

in terms of projections with the pistons, the magic. They're starting off a little slow, too, but they're performing better than us. The Raptors are a little sneaky with these wings. I don't know. The Sixers are fun? The Snicks are winning lots of games of EJ Edgecombe. Oh, wow.

What are we going to do? I don't know where to feel, but how to feel about your has long-term implications now. This is obviously four weeks early in the season is never a death blow. If it was ever going to be, though, this Hawks team is kind of the team that's easy to death blow now right now as we speak i think where the standings don't mean too much

but we're the ninth seed right now floating roughly around 500 and that's honestly all i can hope for tray got hurt a couple weeks a couple nights ago when i think it was mo gay was pushed by some nets player and he fell along the side of his knee thankfully right after that tray got up and he was obviously like wincing in pain but it didn't look too serious we all know something was going to happen And we were hoping it wasn't like no ACL terror, ACL like irritation or anything like that. But this is MCL. So terrible news nonetheless. But it could be a lot worse.

Could have been a lot worse when you got a 250 man coming at your knees like that. During the chat talking about Project Boozer is officially on. Say hi to AJ DeBonsa. Hey, hey, trust me, regard to Trey Young playing, Trey Young not, Hawks not. Yeah, we're in those conversations regardless. Thankfully because of Joe Dumars. I appreciate the Pelicans. That's true.

And I guess the interesting part is we're talking about Project Boozer is officially on. They don't have their pick. Their pick goes to the San Antonio Spurs. So Project Booter is on for Victor Wimbunyama and Spurs fans' agendas. That is the most interesting part of this is the, the Hawks will probably be fine. Four weeks sucks. They'll probably be fine. But if they're not.

But if they're not, this is how we kickstart a dynasty. This is exactly what we were talking about preseason where we had, like, I was the lowest on the Hawks. And I was, I still had them in like fifth in the conference. I was like, yeah, like they'll be all right. But what if, what if the Hawks are just the Hawks? And they're just, they're just mid. They're just 41 and 41 or 42 and 40 and they end up as the eight or nine seed. What happens?

That, that feels like exactly what we're trending towards right now. Because even if trade does come back, we once again, like normally we get a good trade year, bad trade year, haven't necessarily been getting the good trade year on the bounce back. So now he's going to be hurt coming back. Are we going to get a good tri-young? I don't know. I don't think so. If this just keeps on going for the rest of the year, welcome to purgatory again.

We have your coat. We have your stuff in the back, right? Your room is made, bed is made up. Everything's there just like you left it the same way that it's been for the last like 10 years. So I think, yeah, I think the Hawks are in serious trouble because it really was, can you make a deep playoff run this year or not. And obviously, like, you can still do that. things have to break well, but in terms of being upper echelons, being that surprising

Hawks team, that's not happening. Bro, we're six games in the years over already. We're talking about Tray and Tray Young. Bro, my God. Trade, Tray and Tray Young once the fucking season starts. Like, well, I don't know what to do. I don't know what to say. All my expectations of hopes are not completely

down the blender, of course. We still have a chance to go ahead and recoup time lost this team with Tray Young out. We should be very, we should be decent, defensively. It should be decent defensively. That's one thing that we're going to like hang our hat on. I feel like a lot of pressure now will be on our coaches, Quinn Snyder. Like it's time for you to show us what you're made of. Be real creative with this offense because you don't have a bunch of nothing on this roster. You do have like a ridiculously talented playmaking for in Jalen Johnson. You got KP, Richie says they're trying to develop.

Like we have players here who are not complete ass. We're talking about the Brooklyn Nets or the wizards when i'll talk about the new orn's pelicans like we got guys here who actually have somewhat of identity and can play no matter what's no matter what um situation there is on the court and so i'm just interested in seeing how our new identity will be formed and what we're going necessarily can to be our superpower some of the chats uh jalen johnson to san antonton yeah i'm going to kill you specifically i will murder you how dare you yeah If there was no lottery, I would low-key say maybe that makes sense. You trade both of them and you're just fucked.

And then you could actually be bottom three and get a top three pick like if it was the NFL. But with the lottery, you can't do that. You got to keep Jamond Johnson. Like that would be nonsensical. You know what's so frustrating too? Janelle Johnson's fine offensively. I mean, he's still developing offensively. The defensive.

Also, real question. Yeah. How many more years do you have of letting Jan Johnson just develop? Because we've had like, we've had a couple years where it's like, okay, like this is the year like leaps gonna happen leap's gonna happen and again i'm not saying that he's cooked i just want to know like where your patience level is at he's good he's been performing really well yeah yeah but like obviously like you're expecting leap leap i just want to know because i say how many how many more years how many more months are you going to say we have jalen

johnson but you know he's still developing yeah yeah he's not because jane johnson's playing great this year but it's like if that's the one thing you have to hold on to if the tray young thing is just painful he's not there maybe he's training one day How long will you have this endless optimism around Jalen Johnson being your one saving grace? Because it's like Tatum being like, he's only 19 and he's like 30 now. Like, I think the thing for me is that knowing how the last four years of Hawks picks has went, whether it be A.J. Griffin or it'd be, okay, rich, say great player. But before that's great. Bufkin.

Okay. Then we have Vinyaka Kongwu. In the 2020s, Jailen Johnson is by far our best player. who we drafted and no one really had like expectations for him so i'm taking whatever i can get from him of course like highly tighter prospect come from duke and all that so this sounds like forever cope yeah you haven't given me an answer yet you could call it i just want to be an all-star i think you could be like a low-level all-star that's not the question good defender at all that's not what i ask that's all i want to happen i don't i don't care about that answer my question

what you care about how many more years or how much longer will you give jalen johnson before you say This is probably, like, where he's going to be, and it's not... Jaylon Johnson, yeah, he's still developing. Okay, so probably until he's 30. He could be retired. I'm like, yeah, man, but, like, give him some time in the big three league. He'd go ahead and develop that pull-up jump shot. And he's all coming to fruition.

All right, Chad, let me see. One to ten, how cooked is Mo? How sad should he be as a Hawks fan? It's pretty funny that this was a one year. They were all high on the Hawks. And, like, they're finally going to be good. They're going to be the best version of mid. And then everything went poorly.

Also, Richie Shea, I am not impressed. He looks so bad. You called him great, a great young player. Richie She looks like the midst of mid. I'm not going to lie. Obviously, we can get more substantive with our analysis of who Richie Shea is. I think mid is just the perfect word. That is just a role player.

Yeah, that's the best way to put it for him. He's a good role player. He can maintain the starting spot. He can be like our, I don't want, I hope it doesn't get this bad, but our junkyard dog, Damari Carroll for us. He could be that. Good Lord. Kill me.

Like, he could maintain that starting spot for us for a long time. Mind you, last year when y'all drafted him, you said he was Harrison Barnes. Going from Harrison Barnes to DeMarie Carroll. No, no, no, no, no. He was saying Clay Thompson at the end of the season last year. He said this is a French Clay Thompson because he had a couple weeks where he shot 42%. I did forget about that. They said you're, I never like basketball kind of cooked.

Listen, listen, listen. It's been, of course, like, again, it's only been, what, six games, seven games. so far this year hasn't gone off to a good start at all. His ball handling when Trey, when he's left to make decisions more than just like pull up and shoot or take a wonderable shoot, it's all fucked. He can't do nothing. He can't do nothing after that. We need us to be a grown-up.

It's fucked. But yeah, I just, my hopes are in the gutter right now and expectations are in the trash. Poor one out for Mo. This is a good way to start this episode where we're talking about teams that we're trying to figure out if we should be panicked about. because honestly it's probably no we probably shouldn't actually be panicked about the Hawks just because they're just going to be mid again like we always thought

I think because of the trade thing because of some other lack of development in Jalen Johnson's defense Risha Shea's offense so forth they're probably not going to hit the expectations we had for before the season I think you put him with a three seed I put him at four or five something like that you had him a four yeah they're probably not that

they're probably going to be back to six to nine range is what it is they'll probably weather the storm of Tray Young being out and stay in the play in probably get just out of it when he comes back if things go well, they will just be the hawks again. And that's your life forever. So I guess just the absence of hope is where we're going now. Yeah, man, that's why if you want to be a part of the deep three and take my spot,

you are free to do so. Go ahead and comment. We'll have open tryouts next week. Exactly. Let's go on to a bigger story here. We have to talk about John Morant because at last episode, we did one thing we learned about every single team. And in that episode, I talked about how John Morant's,

I'm kind of concerned about the style of play that he's kind of developed into. And when I say developed, I mean like the absence of developments, how we've kind of seen his room pressure go down year by year. The jump shot isn't here. The team's kind of mediocre around him. Felt like they're going nowhere fast. And we kind of had a come to Jesus moment

talking about where we're at with John Morant as a star. Well, the day after we recorded that, he got suspended for one game. Because apparently they had a game where we played the Lakers and he seemingly quit on the team in the second half wasn't putting in full effort. The coach called him out for the game. He responded with, quote, unquote,

a tone that was deemed inappropriate. So it sounds like he said, fuck out on my face. I'm not trying to hear all that. And they suspended for one game or conduct detrimental to the team. And that has led to endless discourse now in the last two or three days

about should this team trade John Morantz, or not even should they? The real question is, are we just on a path that obviously ends with John Moran being traded? Of course. Of course. I think the,

if you ask me right now and you say hey john morat has because where is this this is year six of john morat jama has has nine more years 15 year year career does he spend the next nine years in memphis i say no i i don't think it i don't think it ends up that way and we've already had one instance last year of we picked you over the coach yes this is the new coach we are not games into the season you are beefing with the new coach we're going to get to a point where we start saying hey man it's you right where you start looking around at everything and you start saying that it is job moran's fault and this stuff stuff like this and stuff like like what happened is very controllable yeah from a certain player and whether or not it's fair of like of whether

like he should have been told this and in the in the manner that that it was or in front of whoever it was doesn't matter you are the best player on this team you are the franchise player and seemingly quitting on your team again not 10 games into the season that's just a bad look yeah and he got suspended for what is i'm pretty sure behind the scenes conversation in the locker room with the coach and then this obviously happened in the media a separate incident in the same hour long span where they asked him a question about what they should do differently to stop the lakers in the same way that they lost if they saw that again how would they go about defending it he said go ask the coaching staff. Then when asked what could have been done differently, other than asking

the coaching staff, he said, according to them, probably don't play me. The vibes are an all-time bad. This is just, I don't even know how to describe this other than bad vibes. Like, this is the definition of bad vibes. You are just bringing the whole mood around your team down. And I think maybe some people make too much of it. Maybe some of us overlook it. It's obviously important to be the vibes leader as the best player in your team making $40 million a year. I think we're witnessing the end of an error or at least the end of a like superstar era that john morin once was on just a couple years ago when he was averaging 27 points a game when the memphis grisies were the him the memphis grisies and also

dylan dylan brooks were the face of just like this tough gritty annoying out the mud memphis grisly team and since then everything has been on the decline whether it be the off the court stuff whether it be him and like the constant injuries that he's been faced with over the last few years nothing's good right now and i think that slowly when it comes to the play style of how a lot of teams tend to or are varying towards currently it's starting to look like his expiration date when it comes to being prioritized as the main talent while also not like necessarily being the best run finisher league anymore or not necessarily making your presence at least bare minimum felt in the in the paint anymore is going to hell and win with that all like happening all like happening all

that once you're being prioritized less as a as a main piece yeah like like i said we talked about this on the last episode of the show the day before this lakers game i implore you to go back and watch that grizzlies section of our episode 165 because the fact that we had this conversation a day before this happened we got in depth about on the court why it feels like the jaw moran approach is less effective these days we that that's a whole conversation right so on the court there's reasons to be concerned about him being the best player on your team specifically concerned about him being the main scoring and playmaking engine of your offense. That feels like it has diminishing returns.

He can still play some more and be extremely impactful, get back to all start level. I'm just concerned about really making him the number one engine. If he could play an exo player a little bit better than him and focus more on playmaking and not be so relied upon on the half court, obviously there's still a path to John Morant being a very, very good impactful player that can contribute to winning championships one day. That's not out to question. But everything else, when you combine those already small question marks that could find the best case scenario where he's still effective, then you add the off-the-court stuff.

and you're at all that, we get to where we are now where apparently there has been reportedly tension between John Moran and the head coach over the past several days and teams are now monitoring the situation. So according to Shams, there is active motion behind the scenes of teams thinking this may end. And I 100% believe it. Like, yo, you know how crazy it

is to get suspended from your own team? Over the last few years, the only times I remember that happening is very much last year when the Miami Heat were like just constantly suspending Jimmy Butler. That's exactly what this feels like. precisely what this feels like.

I think year before that, not to this degree, but Dylan Brooks was fucking dis suspended from the Houston Rockets over some goddamn bullshit. Someone said, Isaac downgrading guys, his secondary creator might be the new of the world from Mo. I'm glad you said that because that is actually a thing I tweeted about that I, this fully is a pattern that I'm sensing a lot. We've talked about this with him. We've talked about it with Trey Young.

We've talked about it with Lamello Ball. I think we're going to see an era where a lot of these lead guards that I think their play style was kind of inspired by that era of James Hardin, Damien Lillard, Steph Curry to some extent, having these guards that are the main scorers and playmaking engines of their team. We saw a lot of era, I mean, we saw a whole era of guards kind of play like that where they're not quite heliocentric because they're not luca, they're built like that, but they really are the end-all be all they're playing through.

I think we're going to see a shit away from that because it just doesn't lead to great offense a lot of these times. I feel I think he's a perfect example. Yeah. I feel like that's already been the case over the last few years in order to be like high level electric guard you have to be one of the best shooters or passers in the goddamn world

Yeah and I think the Hawks know that That's why they're trying to empower Jalen Johnson They would like that to happen Trey is still their leading score But I think if they had it their way Jalen Johnson would average 25 he's just not quite there yet They obviously before the last coaching staff Wanted this for John Moran

That's why they empowered Jaron Jackson and the other system Then that didn't work out guy got fired So obviously teams are sensing this And I say that like it's a big overarching thing I'm very focused on these few guys But I just think you'll see if John Morant were to get drafted today, I think they would make it a point to try to find a major score to play next to him. Yeah, that makes sense.

I think it's a little bit interesting, though, because he's a decent pass. He's fine, right? But I would never look at John Moran and be, like, you know, point guard, like traditional point guard, right? And also, like, that's kind of just the way that if you look at, like, the history of the league, it's been like Steph Chauncey Billups Isaiah Thomas and like

there's a very very short list of point guards who are 6 4 and under being the best player on your on your team that's actually doing everything so I do I do agree with you it's also just like

John's in a different category though because of the off the court stuff someone said it's an anomaly then yes him and Luca are an anomaly because because they are two of the greatest players to ever live. She's also not 60. She's 6'6. Exactly.

He's also. He's more of a shooting guard. He's closer to Kobe, Jordan, Anthony Edwards, that archetype. He just happens to be the lead guard in his team. Luca is the outlier. Luke is the guy that can play hard and ball. The rest of that guy is in this era that, you mentioned not a lot of teams have been successful with players of the size and the best player, 100% right across history.

I think because the game was very different back then, they didn't really try that very often. I think the 2010s into 2020s probably saw the most amount of teams try to play that way. And I just think now we'll go back. a little bit towards the other version yeah i can agree with that and then going back to what you said about job being flawed as a first option bro he's even flawed as a second option which makes it even like tough harder to try to figure out what second or what main star you want to build around him with or at least use him as an adjacent piece because okay like we all know he is playmaking tends to

be one of the more underrated aspects of his game and for with how their offense is being ran he's not allowed to showcase that as much or be prioritized as that and then then when it comes to his all-around deficiencies when it comes to the shooting, I think so far this year, shooting 15% from the 3.1. Yeah, it's not, it's not great. And honestly, and like, for real, for us, we can have, and we obviously, we had the conversation last episode, we can have it right now. None of that really matters because two minutes ago, which you said in terms of, you're just

bad vibes. Yeah. That's the, that is the ultimate biggest thing. And I think, like, the closest or the most that we should talk about his play. is in relation to you are not this good to be acting like this. Like you cannot be out here doing the things that you do, moving the way that you move when you are not like Anthony Edwards and the Timos, I've said repeatedly,

they have taken the spot that the Grizzlies were, right? Like they were the young team with the very fun young star that was ascending and doing all this and going to conference finals. The Memphis Grizzlies have one. playoff series win in basically the entire time that John Moran has been there they've been laughed by everybody they they have not won enough he has not been good enough to do any of this and even with how much the the grisdys have stuck by him through not one but two suspensions because he was brandishing weapons online right doing doing all of that stuff and the team still

being like no you are our guy yeah to be out here moving like this is it's ridiculous Another thing about Jock, too, and you've had your own personal experiences that can maybe attest to what I'm saying. You know, I can get into that. And you've seen, like, just how things have played off off the court to when it comes to, again, like, random stuff that he's dealt with off the court. I think we're also witnessing how much, like, of athletes have egos, that's nothing to be shocked about. That's normal. But with the level of ego that someone Jha, like, appears to have when it comes to being the face of the team and organization and whatnot, I don't. see him. It's hard. It's very hard to

for some like him to average 27 and 7 be top 10 in MVP votes back in 2022 or whatever year it is and now you're being asked to like be de-prioritized and kind of just see the death of your your

ego take place. I think it goes to show you how difficult it is to be the face of a franchise for a team. It's not always just about ability. It's about ability, desire to continue to improve availability to be able to keep improving, keep in developing the mindset to be the leader of a franchise and, you know, like, take the unfair criticism that comes with that, like the whole gun thing.

That was legal. He wasn't in the wrong necessarily in terms of like what's actually allowed in the world, but there's a different standard when you're an NBA star leading a franchise. You have to be okay with that, not take that criticism and then like lash out because of it like he did. He obviously didn't take that well ever. There's so many combined factors that go into having the position he had and maintaining it. And I think just a lot of those things outside of the play, really including the play that

we talked about he just hasn't really been there for and so now like if you're if you're memphis because especially after after both of the of the gun incidents and both of those of those suspensions you made the choice like it doesn't matter you're still our guy we're going to continue on with this core of you bane triple j and then we'll see what happens you've already moved off of of desmond bane you've signaled to the world that hey we're kind of open and our our situation is very very fluid i don't really know what to do if you were made emphasis right now would you trade them well i don't know so there's just multiple factors here everything we're talking about it makes sense to trade them if you were just sick of this experience right

we can't really know i think how much appetite they have for this when they're smoke there's fire so clearly it's causing some riff other part is as we see by this this report which i don't know if it's more speculation and informed speculation by brian winhorst but he says or thinks he's not expecting a robust trade market if the greases were to shop them that probably makes it hard to trade them you don't want i really want to get rid of him for nothing i saw someone make the comparison that might have to be like when the Maverish traded KP and they basically just dumped him and split him into two smaller salaries. I mean, them a little more flexible. If that's a type of trade, probably not. You might as well keep running it back. You've already fired one coach. You're

invested in him. You have no real path forward outside of that. So you might as well keep it running. And there is an element that I saw a lot of Grizzies fans talking about this. The city does love him. He is a big part of the franchise. The fans aren't giving up on him. So if you were to do that, you would be ripping an era to shreds and like just deciding it's not worth there for us as a franchise when I don't know if the temperature of the team and the small market is ready for that. Oh yeah. Best believe if you trade John Morant, you're going back to Vancouver.

You're not allowed in the States no more. It would be. It would be a, it's not a Lucas situation. They wouldn't be like outrage like that, but I think it would be a hard pill to swallow for their fans. And that's fair. But like, I could go to a Memphis game or I can watch. You can just watch what is going on with the grizzlies like this from afar and be

on and just be like damn you live like this like that's that's tough right i would i would hate to to be in this situation where even the last time that we saw jah and you know him like feeling feeling good one there was another like finance and suspension because because of the of the new celebration and then afterwards they were getting ran off the floor in a in a playoff series against the thunder where there were moments in that in that series early on in that series where it looked like Jaya quit and so I I get it it's your guy you drafted him number two overall it was supposed to be like him and Zion going number two and up until this point he's been better than than Zion so like you kind of feel like you have a win there but if you finish this season

especially with how competitive the West is and you are the ninth seed yep and you get 60 games of Jah a bunch of them taken away from either suspension or injury every other night And to his credit, he was playing a majority of these first, you know, six, six games. But if that is ultimately what your life is going to be for the next three to four years and you know, okay, we'll be in the playing, we'll maybe get up to the seventh seed, we'll play Denver or OKC in the first round, losing a respectable five. Yeah. I don't know if I would want to do that. And I think the Memphis Grizzies are a very smart organization. I think they're one of, if I also like have a ranking of top.

10 smartest front offices, I would 100% put the grisies there just based off all the smart out of edge moves that they've made over the last few years. I would agree. And I think this team specifically would be smart enough to do what you said, which is just be middling, be somewhat relevant or whatever, have a nitty gritty five game playoff series or six game playoff series or whatever it might be and just stick it out for the next year, maybe two years. And the second that his value seems the highest or there's like a clear out.

outlet to go ahead and trade him do that like get rid of him when his value was the highest because right now you're right like there's no team that would really trade for him and like give you up any give up any real assets in the back end yeah they're certainly considering it right like you said they're smart for an office they understand everything we're saying that on paper it makes total sense to get rid of him and writ the band it off for the leadership reasons for the on-court product for the team does not being good enough and there's no path in them being good enough like it totally makes sense I guarantee you

they're thinking about it but I also think it's probably not as simple as some people were like get them out of your trade them just like you said timing reasons value reasons

like it's not an easy choice if people are making it out to be no it's not and especially when when the fan base is like super connected like I do get it and you're in this new experiment

where even if the vibes are wrong you still want to see if it's if it's gonna work right you still want to see it is only six games yeah we can we can get to Christmas and we'll be okay that that's the point if this if this is this bad and like the vibes

up doesn't get any better and they're just still having issues with a second coach by Christmas oh he's coached if this is the case by January 1st I will up here saying I'll be shocked if it doesn't get traded a hundred and ten percent like because at that point if that's the case then what are you going to do fire your assistant coach who was then brought up to be the head coach you can't do that fire the GM just keep finding people that are not jama rant to blame yeah that's OD you can't do that He said, you knew you're trading. He's like, what would I do? We already, Desmond Bain had to die for this already.

He's like, what I have to do? We're looking around, we're fighting bodies to drop. Yeah, exactly. And I think regardless of the situation for Memphis Grizzies fan, but fans, like, you have to understand this is probably not going to be the best version of your basketball team. The best players on your team who will, who you hope to carry you to a Western Conference finals or whatever it is. Some players may be here, but you don't have like the guy necessarily yet. But you're very well in position to do that because they have, like, they have, like, like five first round picks or maybe four first round picks

from the Orlando Magic. You have so many assets around that. You have a star rookie and subject coward as well who's making noise. Sharon Jackson, you're still there as well. Go get the job whispers, right? There's always like therapy. The job whisper, there's like the job stopper, right?

Somebody who can fix him or who can stop him on the court. The only person who is able to get into the mind of John Morant and keep him level is somebody who is crazier than him and that's Dylan Brooks. you have to go get Dylan Brooks honestly you're right also I saw I saw the tweet

you remember when they let Dylan Brooks go and they were like Dylan Brooks would not be brought back to this organization under any circumstances that's so ridiculous and he's been great I really want him in the Lakers

like Dylan Brooks is one of the more promising assets from that era he's going to be on winning teams for a while they're surely going to trade him yeah that's what they need they need again someone who will set the tone

you need someone who will go ahead and build back your culture and do the dude get the dude who started it with John Moran and Jared said some of the chat said

honestly I like the trio of Cedric Coward Jalen Wells and Zach Eadie more than the duo of John Moran and Jaron Jackson Jr. That is what I call

Terminal NBA nerd brain because I totally see what you mean if you have a team led by those three you fucked you're going nowhere

and fast I do like those players a lot I love that as a supporting cast but like if we're going to trade Jaron and John Moran we got to find some stars to lead those guys

that's nasty Also, if I'm Brooklyn, I'm picking up the phone tomorrow. Like, I understand I just drafted 18 million point guards. I'm trading 17 million of them. Yeah. I would do that. That's a fun thing then. Let's pivot to that real quick before we end the John Morant talk.

I'm going to name you some NBA teams. You let me know if you think they should be in the market for John Morant. So asset, fit, contracts aside, just like, would you want to see them consider a John Morant trade? Do you like the fit in theory on the surface? Miami Heat's. No. You don't want to see them get their star. paring with bam pairing with tyler hero bro they don't even treat colo ware right right now and they

have them they have them locked up yeah they got no appetite for malfeasance for their play yeah if the heat traded for john morrant it would be like an episode of scared straight well pat pat riley's just pulling up to john moran's house every morning suicide suicide you better run that's it the funniest thing is the assistant coach that brought in that off ball no pick and roll offense last year now works to the man he and they're not running it if we said john morant you hated this offense last year we the coach because of it, but now we're going to send you to the heat where you've got to do it again, and they're mean. That would just be hilarious.

It's like that video of him with the hand up and then they switch angles. We got you. You can't escape Noah LaRoche. This motherfucker is Freddie Krueger in your jeans jaw. So yeah, I wouldn't like it for John. I'm out on the heat. Wouldn't like it for jaw at all. The relationships would not work there at all.

That's not the, unless he needs that. I don't think he's the type of guy that responds to that. So I don't think he doesn't need that. Not at all. I think he would hate Pat Riley. Orlando Magic. No. No.

Hell no. They already have their own internal issues that they need to figure out. They already have the biggest Palo Ben Carroll questions that they need to answer immediately have to prioritize

Franz Wagner. You're trying to get better shooting. Why would you go ahead and draft or trade for a 15% shooting? Exactly. Every scouting department has their template of what kind of guy

that they want in the building. If you are the Orlando Magic, anybody who shoots under 36% from three, and you're off the board at this point. Like you said, we have too many of them. I think to do this for this size of a contract

that I have to trade one of their most important players and they just got Desaum Bain, they're not trading Palo Bancaro. If this Orlando Magic for an office trades Franz Wagner for John Morant, oh my God, we need a storm Orlando. We need to tear things down. That would be the worst trade of all times.

Trading away? Oh my God, Franzren, oh no, they can't do that. That would be the worst trade of all time. And I don't know how else they would do it. Unless you want to have four massive contracts, that would be a terrible team construction, Houston Rockets. That is interesting, but I think ultimately I might say no.

I'm saying no. Damn, we can't find anywhere they should get him. Who wants me? Boston Celtics. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Dude, him and Joe Mazur, cinema. I would need to be a part of those practices. I would need to see those.

I need to see it. The money, again, four big contracts counting Derek White. That would be an insane Russia construction. What the hell would John Moran and Jaylen Brown talk about? What would their conversations look like? Speaking different languages. How upset on a daily basis would Derek White be? Derek White gets upset?

He'd look like he can't have a bad day. I would find a way. I would say no. Portland. That is very interesting. Do you want to give up on Scoot and have John Morant come in there be their point guard of the future? Okay.

So if you asked me two weeks ago, I would have said yes. Okay. However, due to recent circumstances, I think they have too much going on to bring in some more stuff. I don't think they can handle it right now. We have enough on your plate. Their PR team is already stressed to the brim. No more conflict. We can't do it.

That is a fair point. Timberwolves. Pair him with Anthony Edwards. Get these two dynamic creators that can create a paint touch every five seconds. That is very popular. Get Rob Dillingham over there in Memphis. Give me a chance to get some touches.

Get him a good screener and Rudy Gaubert. I might like it, but I think I'm just going to pass on it again. I think if you do that, you probably have to move Julius Randall. Otherwise, you have too many big. contracts or Jada McDaniels and I ain't doing that. I'm damn about doing that. No, you yeah, you have to keep. Oh yeah, Julie's would be gone. So

even if you traded Randall, I would kind of be okay with it. Unless you should gobert out, but I don't know who wants him at this point to get in this old. Gobert represents too much for your team. He is the backbone of that. Yeah, I think I might do it. He has looked horrible this year. The clock is ticking for Rudy Gobert. He looks slow.

Yeah, I think I would do it because that problem at point guard is so it's so glaring and you know that like Aunt can be good enough but I don't want him to I don't want him to force Ant to be in a

Devon Booker situation where we get to next year and now we're like hey you developed a three point shot you're working on your post game play point guard for us I don't want to do that I think the logistics are complicated for Timberwolves you have to get rid of one of your really expensive bigs I don't know how that would work but on

paper being next to Anthony Edwards is probably the best case scenario for John Morant That's probably like the one place we can send him that I think would be good for him. Yeah. And that would really so much stress off in Anthony Edwards. He would give way more effort. I don't to say he's bad defensively, but he could be legitimately like one of the best defenders because he has some like John Moran literally handing, handling out the pick and roll offense and being offensive in his own. That will change Anthony Edwards life.

But I wouldn't want to see it though. Phoenix Suns. Do you think they want to restart this rebuild real fast again? I would do it. And I think if I'm the Suns, they for sure have already had three meetings about it. they're dying Mind you one of them has just been

in Isbia's head I'm sure he's talked to himself about it plenty of times but I would do it I would I think that they are at this point

what do we have to lose like I'm What are you trading for Jah though? I don't know I don't think it doesn't matter you're right I'm not talking about the sun's asses

I would do it I would try it Sacramento Kings do you want to see them bring John Marant and pairing with a bonus why not what do you have to lose

yeah I want to see them do the opposite of this. I want to see them ship all the good players elsewhere. If they get John Morant, you're sending him to hell. You're sending John Morant to Sacramento to die slow. And if I'm Memphis at this point, it's like, hey, man. We had our time, but I got to let you go. Yeah, I would do that in a moment.

If you really love me, you'll come back, you know. But I, if I was Sacramento, dependent on who I was giving up, yes. It doesn't matter. What do you have to, like, hold on to? That's also true. And we talk a lot of. about, dang, like, can you really just live like this? I can't live this entire season.

But you have to... With the Rosen and Levine hoops again. I can't do it. Yeah. The alternative, Jai isn't the only other option there. We can do some other stuff besides DeRosen, Levine, and Jha. But you know that they always try to trick themselves into thinking that they, like, can be sneaky competitive.

And so they're like, listen, Jha, Kigin Murray, Sabonis. So, seen this story before. Eight Seed. So is it, Sacramento is the shadow realm, Vax. Rims tremble and fear when Janus and Jha come to the pain. Would you trade Ryan Rollins for John Moran straight up? Right now, that's crazy. But I would tell you no.

All things considered, I don't know. All factors at play. Honestly. No. Oh, I say that's kind of a half a joke. But you have one all in move with this Yonis thing to try to save him staying? John Moran's not where I'll push those chips in. That's not worth it at all.

I'm good. We're looking real good with a lot of shooters. This is not the player I want to put next to him. Exactly. I have a good shooter making four million. Why would I trade for a notch you to make him 45? I'm not doing this? Nope.

I want anybody else, actually. It's like, I think you asked before, do the bucks want Cam Thomas? I said that's the worst fit I could possibly imagine. John Moran's the second worst fit I could possibly imagine. But okay, that's a lot of talk about the disaster over in Memphis. Let's talk about the biggest disaster in the NBA. The Pelicans are now 0 and 6. My second favorite team in the league.

Yep. As a Hawks fan, I'm sure you've been enjoying the hell out this week. because they are 0 and 6 everything is going wrong this is the biggest disaster in the NBA and it's only getting worse day by day because of the fact that traded their pick to the Hawks when it happened we said this team as dumb as rocks what are they doing how could they bring someone in and let him do this as a new GM right away it made no sense in the moment shout out Derek Queen fantastic prospect I have no issue with them wanting Derek Queen making the move to trade your unprotected 2026 pick in a loaded draft class where you're not even

going to be a good team after this pick going all in out to make the playoffs by drafting Derek Queen was asinine and now we're here six games later winless it looks like the worst offense in the NBA I think it is statistically the worst offense in the NBA it is will the greens can be fired any day now Zion looks like they're rolling the ball

out there and saying figure it out he can't nothing about this is going well you don't understand you guys know I don't celebrate Christmas every single night they play this is my Christmas you tell me I get Christmas 82 times over the calendar year I love my life right now I'm fit dead ass

something to order me a throwback Joe Dumart's Piston jersey tomorrow, bro. You don't understand the numbers he's done on my life. Joe done miracles on me. Yes. And you're a fan of a different team. Yes, exactly. Yeah. And, okay, so we have a lot of stuff to digest there.

The first thing I meant, one of the things I mentioned we can start with, Woody Green is on the hottest seat to ever exist. This man should, I bet, I bet if there's betting odds out there for the first coach to be fired, I'm sure something like that exists. He must be number one by a mile. this is a stream happening on Monday, November 3rd, 5.10 p.m. Central time. 48 hours from now, if you tell me Willie Green is no longer employed, I will believe you. That is true. Also, you said earlier that they went, they drafted Derek Queen as their

only move to make the playoffs. Then two months later, the guy who drafted Derek Queen to make the playoffs, then said, yeah, you know, we're not really a playoff team. We're just building steps. So it instantly went back on that. I think, um, listen, I think the, I think the Pelicans, we have talked a lot about relocation, about banning them. They at this point should not, like, they're not an NBA franchise. This is the best argument that anybody has ever made for relegation. Yes. This is it.

I agree. So going back to our last episode, we talked about relocation. Me specific assets, I send these guys to Poland, man. They can go ahead and cultivate a great fan base over there. zooming out from the new world's pelicans before this year hell before even joe dumars became the president of this team i looked at them as a team that always could have like a sneaky move up their shoulder up their sleeve because i knew like yo like a d trade happened not that long ago six years ago now they traded away drew hollay again six years ago now and they

should have like remaining picks and all and i went ahead and did my research and i've seen what David Griffin cultivated through all these assets that he was given. And the list of those guys, Trey Murphy came from that trade. Herb Jones did. Dejante Murray did through liquidation of assets. He's Missy, Jordan Poole, Sidique Bay, Derrick Queen, and Micah Pet Peavy. That's the assets that they got from trading, a generational star in Anthony Edwards or Anthony Davis and Drew Holiday. And they squatted it.

Two smithereens, and this is what Joe Dumars was left to. do they asked him he would david griffin dug them six feet in and then joe dumar said how about another 12 feet that's the reality that they're living in right now yeah this is tough so we can talk about on the court right the offense is terrible the offense lacked structure the line I'm still throwing out there the lack of spacing around Zion Williamson the lack of I guess that offensive structure to put it simply feels terrible they bench Jordan pool started fears we can debate the merits of that Jordan pool didn't seem to respond well to that there was some Some comments made that, you know, some body language observed that made it seem like he wasn't too happy about that, which I can understand.

He's a veteran five games since the year. You start the rookie over me when the spacing that Jordan Poole provides is pretty essential to the long-term outlook at this team. I won't say it's indefensible because fears have been playing fantastic. Yeah. Questionable decision, though, this early in the season. Everything else around that hasn't gone well. They can't defend me and you running a pick and roll. That side of the ball is non-existent with the lack of bigs they have, with Zion's defense, with Trey Murphy's defense.

Everybody has been playing poorly. So on the court, they're just a bad team. Off the court, the Pelicans are an embarrassment of a franchise. This is the cheapest organization in the league. They make Sacramento look like Mr. Bands. Like they're just thawing it out, being supportive of the team in every way. This team is barely a team. We saw a thread we were looking at earlier where these Pelicans and fans are talking about.

It seems like they quietly quit on the fans this season. They have no promotional calendar for this season. If you look here on their website, promotional calendar, no games found. It's just a blank page. Highly unusual. Highly unusual. That doesn't happen. They stopped having open Pelicans fan draft watch parties

and quietly start hosting closed door local food influencer ones with like 40 people. And there's no marketing for the team slogan. Just Pelicans up. Every team has one of these besides the pelicans. There's a lot of things they do that are very cheap, right? This is not a team that is out here spending lots of money as a small market.

We've known that about the business forever. And then we got this tweet. They're trying to get invited to TikTok meet. Yo, they're so cheap. We got this comment from a, I think, a Pelicans writer from on Twitter, Shamit Dua, I'm sure I said that horribly wrong, sorry. He said, Dumas was instructed by ownership to cut costs because Griffin asked too much of them. A lot of what you're seeing is a result of cutting corners.

Also, promotion of stuff required sponsors, which the Pelicans are struggling to retain. All this slows back to money. Yo, they can't even pay. I've never seen. this before dead ass i'm so this is this is some of the the brokest behavior we came in NBA history

they can't even pay minimum wage to folks over here you can't be no they have to pay someone to sponsor the jerseys a promotional calendar is honestly ridiculous that not having a hashtag is little league baseball teams have hashtags like the the team moms go out and they get oranges and they make a hashtag

like and the two people on their Facebook pages will click it and all the pictures go there the fact that they can't have that done like if you don't get zion's mom or like or jeremiah go get somebody's mother to go make a hashtag please that that's that's that's one to the level of cheapness that they're at i've also seen several people are like hey is this an inside job from the NBA because now that like because remember a couple years ago 10 for a now very like this is three levels of tin for a hat that i saw where people were saying

a couple years ago the NBA was very very high and very vocal on the fact that that they were going to expand to Vegas and Seattle. That seems kind of dead now. Are we trying to make the Pelicans so bad that we're going to sell them and then that person is going to take them to Seattle. That level of conspiracy, that level of cheapness is where we're at right now

with the ones. There in the chat talking about Free Zion. Yeah, I mean, so this happens a lot in sports. Maybe it is a conspiracy. Who knows? He need to lock into. Keep his ass there. What you mean for him?

This happens a lot in baseball where some teams are very cheap and they just try to sell tickets and exist because they know they can't compete with the heavy hitters that can spend money with the lack of salary cap.

Happens a lot there. Happens the NFL. The Bengals are talked about a lot for being broke or everybody, not having the cash on hand to compete, barely getting to the minimum. Sure, but they just have a broke owner so they can't operate quite as similarly

to the Eagles or to the Rams or whatever, right? This doesn't happen a lot in the NBA. The NBA teams are profitable as hell. They play 41 home games a year, 41 games of gate revenue, your local TV deal, your split of the national TV deal, your merchandising. The volume of NBA games makes these teams highly profitable and really hard to behave like this. You got to be broke, you got to choose to be broke, and you got to have no desire to do anything differently. This is negligence by choice. What's going on, man?

Like, do they not have any other, like, creative funnels to go ahead and diversify their income? Are they just like booming out of nowhere when it comes to how they make their money outside out of basketball, does young boy perform there like every other month? Is that how you are just continuously like booked out your venue? Like, what's on? If I remember correctly, they're owned by Gail Benson who, I think her husband is the one who owns the team for long time and he died a few

years ago and she's the majority owner now and I think she's really old, doesn't care and they don't have like the structure of leadership that some other teams have, like the high effort. You know some people who I think Bill Simmons popularized it, the whole idea of like ownership being the biggest advantage and people need to realize the owners are like a huge impact on how the teams operate.

This is a definition of that. They need a owner real bad right now the according to to four the pelicans are the 29th most valuable team the only team less valuable than the pelus is the is the grislies that's hilarious that's that's remain consistent genuinely over the next over the last seven to six years it's been on that back then too it's it's been like it's been like that for for a while and i said mr crabs is the owner yeah yeah yeah so i i i i do do think that at this point we do have to once again the league has to step in and in the in the league the league is going to have to take take ownership because this is this is really really bad yeah you say that i think i'm not i'm not i'm not joking at all yeah like the league might have to step in and i don't know what that looks like because the league doesn't do that because this is a these are independent businesses that exist like they're owned by people you can't just make them sell it unless it's a don't sterling situation feels like we're there lokey people don't really know no this this at all outside of New Orleans like nobody knows that the pelicans are this much of

a disaster people were just like ha ha zion fat zion don't play they suck like that's the extent of the passive observer's idea of why the pelicans stink it's so much bigger than that way bigger i remember a couple weeks ago or a couple months ago actually dizante murray was out on i think the pivot podcast and he was talking about how piss poor treatment he was received receiving or not treatment necessarily but how inaccessible the training training was over there he couldn't go ahead and book training sessions in with the trainers and, like, get his normal stretches when it comes to rehab. That's insane.

That's bare minimum from a professional athlete who you're paying over $20 million to. You want to see something real funny, Sha? Please. One more. Underneath that tweet, I just showed you guys. Going back to this. We got somebody said, the emails are atrocious. Like, they can't even get real pictures of the stuff they're trying to give away.

It's like the sketch of a shirt and it's all the stuff they gave away last year. This is an official email promotion from the team. Good afternoon. Hope all is well. pelicans basketball is right around the corner now is the time to secure your seats look at the structure of the email it's just written there's no graphic it's just written now in an email form and we got a picture of this mock-up of a shirt even the creative director is shooing this shit in over there each ticket purchase includes a pelicans one-quarter zip pullover and it's a mock-up of like kind of a pullover kind of a design shirt it's not even fully shirt I've seen people who are trying to the Hawaii shirt was that man that's just that's just a bad thing shirt bro there's no graphic design inside they wrote it out in an email with hyperlinks every other like emailing and the technology behind mass emails is so advanced you get beautiful emails

all that people are like hired to design emails because there's that big of an impact for these big organizations and big businesses this is insane this is like somebody's niece did this they didn't even like go through the AI route and have chat GPT write this up this they can't even afford chat GPT print they can't afford the $20 a month free I promise you You went down to whichever college is in New Orleans. There's a dude who's trying to start a clothing brand who can make better mock assistance. I don't know what they're doing here. This can be some kind of shoddy programming.

Oh, God. This is a scam. This organization is ridiculous. I can't believe the things I'm seeing about this. These needs to be talked about more. We need to get more. We need to get poplatoria on the case. On God.

We need to bring down the Pelicans organization, man. Their fans deserve better than this. And the worst part about all of this is that you are on six and you don't have your pay. Someone said snap cuts are hitting the Pelicans hard. That's true.

They're for the haves on buying his own lunch. No draft picks out of this fucking whole shit. Yo, that's the thing that makes me. We're going to get the number of an overall pick. Oh, my goodness. They're reaping no benefits from this experience. Dude, every single fan of Louisiana in general can escape this tomfoolery. Their basketball team ass.

Their football team, worse has been in years. Their college football team just fired their coach, too. Jeez. Yeah, it's, it's, it's really, really, really, really bad skinny. Disaster draft coming A disaster draft happens when the team dies That's what you do in a team playing It's like building

You got disaster that can wield a team Oh, the pelicans man Y'all winning it up with the pelicans Their fans don't deserve this man Oh my God, man The NBA doesn't need to expand It needs to remove the pelicans No fact

Just redistribute their talents This is so insane Because it's like We need to socialize the pelicans Every single time of players Trade it out of New Orleans I'm like oh my God man I can breathe

New turn of life Ra Fuck this is so bad I've never seen this foreign organization Oh man Free Zion Free Trey Murphy Free Herbert Jones

Send him to the Lakers Dalton Kinnett can go over there And suffer Let's figure something out. Everything good that's there. Let's ship it somewhere else so we can enjoy it a little bit more. Joe Dumas, you deserve this. You can rot there.

It's crazy because, like, in some places, like, the team means so much to that city that, like, whenever they're in, like, people have done studies, like, the team is doing so, so good. The, like, crime drops in the city. New Orleans is unsafe right now. Very. You will get ran up on in New Orleans because of how bad the Americans are. Everybody's just upset. between the Pelicans and the Saints and like honestly

who's going to win more games first right you have no idea they might win 10 games combined this year cross-port 10 games stay inside if you are in New Orleans we got hoping Tyler Shuck Joe Dumars

kill me now it's a basketball Bishop Sycamore yeah LSU's fucked oh my god cross-sport 10 win season is crazy It might happen. We might get like nine wins.

Yeah. But at least the Saints are going to kick Caleb Downs. We're not getting anything for them. I keep going back to that. There's no light in the tunnel. I've never seen something more grim than this. But the Saints are going to have the number one overall picking a back quarterback draft too.

So yeah, I have no idea. But they, this is tough. Adam's over step in. What did they do to like deserve this? Shock there becoming soon. What? That's hilarious. Oh, my God.

What do they do, man? They're so down bad. So down bad, man. If the Hawks get genuinely get the number one overall pick, oh, it's cooked. And I do think your thought process of the league potentially is being like end it over, buddy will probably happen. Let's move on to another down bad storyline. Funny quote, checking in on the Brooklyn Nets who are bad were expected to be bad. Nothing's different here.

Michael Ford Jr. is currently their leader in assists. They employ 17 point guards in the roster. Do you know how many assists he's averaging right now? Like 3.2, I think. 3.5. Oh, shit. Heater. We got a fucking do-it-all-wing in the building. Jordy Fernandez was asked about the outcome in recent games.

They've been really terrible. They just got blown out this weekend. He says, I'm failing at trying to get my guys to play hard. I'm trying to ask questions. Ask some questions. How can I do it to get them to play really hard? That is weird grammar because he's just rambling

He doesn't know what to do He's down bad Jordan Fernandez is an amazing coach The glimpses we saw last year When they had Cam Johnson They had all those other guys Before they traded out of him They still had Dennis

Canne Thomas is playing good Nick Claxton They had some veterans They were winning more games They're supposed to He is clearly an elite coach If this guy was playing For a team that had talent

We'd be talking about him It was like one of the next Up and coming grades His defensive schemes Top-notch They got him in the blender They got him questioning his abilities That's how down bad

This franchise is Everybody talks about whenever they get drafted how important their vets are to their career. Look at his eyes. It looks like he just got done crying, man. And that would be too. Yeah, the light's gone.

It's out of it. Yeah. There's no light. There's no hope. He's frustrated. We need a free, Georgia. And how could you have light too when your GM is Mark Spears,

who, I mean, I used to, when I saw how well they mounts back from the last era of... Mark Spears? Is it Mark Spears? No, that's a reporter. He used to work. He actually did he used to work for the Neds.

That is not their GM, though. Who's your GM right now? Bobby Marks. No, no, Black Marks. Sean Marks. Bobby Marks is the other Eastman guy. He used to be a guy. Sean Marks.

Jeez. Getting mixed up. But like, looking at how they've addressed things. They all would suck as a GMD. No, that's a reporter. It doesn't, it doesn't matter who is. They, like, they haven't been able to do it. That's a pun break.

That's a talking. That's an around-the-horn contributor Yeah, it's what to do with this No, I don't think donations are working I've seen y'all talking about the links broken Can't check it right now, so No giving us money today Keep your heart and bones

But yeah, just had to check in on Joey Fernandez's vibes It's not going well, he is downtrodding right now How good to go well, man? People are asking us, are we going to speak on the Webby Disaster Class? Ooh, yeah No It didn't happen? How about that?

How was that, buddy? How about I don't? Propaganda is well and alive, and we're carrying it right now. Yeah, shout to the Phoenix Suns. I actually watched this game because I'm disgusting. They did a fantastic job of just double teaming the shit out of him, not letting him get any paint touches. It's all around great job.

Kind of look at what you expect from a window when you first got in the league. You couldn't like put the ball on the floor and it was easy to blitz him and all this stuff. It was a clear off night. He was very lethargic out there. Didn't have it and they got the best of them. Yeah. And speaking about doubling.

That's like not a new concept especially when he comes to Wemby, but the timing of how they got those doubles off is what like throw off the entire Spurs offense. Yeah, shout out Jordan. Hopefully he's one of those coaches kind of like Georgia Fernandez that we can look up and say, they're doing a lot of really cool defensive stuff despite being dog shit.

That'll be a fun little storyline to see what happens when his team gets good. Yeah. Still got four blocks, though. Shut up. And B got fined for hip thrusting. I think he must have hit three pumps instead of two.

Yeah, because he was doing the DX chop. Yeah. And they got him for it. And he got fined. You said, y'all better start finding the refs for doing that lewd blocking foul gesture since I'm not allowed to do it. Hashtag the NFL. Which? Why did he hashtag NFL?

I don't know. Because Rico Dowdo got a flag thrown because he did, he did two pumps. Oh, yeah, you did. And apparently you're supposed to get three pumps before you get a flag. He said they were watching film time. Make sure he got the perfect amount of pumps. And for the first time, in a long, long time, I'm on the Bede side here. This is what did it

Yeah I agree They should not have fined him I think he should be able to do Any DX chop Thrust into Oblivion and Bede That's he He should be allowed to do that

Some of the rest is not a real pumper Yeah I'm like every other team It's a crazy word It's pumpless Don is evolving Yeah This is the one connection

God to have sympathy For Joelle Mbid One of the most sympathetic athletes in a long time This is what did it? Pro Pumper. Oh, no. Okay. He said, listen, fuck him, but when we get in the pumping,

I'm going to defend the rights of a civil man to pump. Someone's got to defend the civil liberties. You got to do it. Because that's what they start, right? They start with the right to pump. They're coming for you next. You can't pump in peace. This world is ruining.

They just created a thousand joel and beads. They just created a million pumpers. Oh, God. bro, hey, I will say we should go ahead and do a fan meetup and we should go to the next. Stop that. Stop that. And I'll pump throw the entirety of a game and make them feel it. Just continue.

Pump, pump, pump, pump, pump, pump, pump. Then we storm the quarter of half time and just start pumping straight into the cameras. Also, if I was sketchers, if you are trying to get back into the mainstream, you do exactly what Nike did 35 years ago and you pay and beats fine every time he pumps. You

take every single dime that you don't know this kid just can afford i promise i offer shapeups alone they can afford it forget him take every dime that joe montana has made you from the shapeups and you put that into joel and bids pump fund i promise you your backup i promise you your backup what is going on no but yes i am i am very much on on the b's side oh my god bump on look at that comment from cucumber what's all

oh what's this last link we have in here projected final standings we got the projected final standings of the league

I guess Chicago Bulls are destined for 39 wins what do we take away from this Chicago Bulls 309 that's actually shocking

OKC's projected 64 and a half wins at this rate okay where are the Hawks why would you do that I'm scrolling. 42.

Nice perfect mid. That makes total sense. Okay. You're right there. We got the Knicks right above the Lakers, 48.9. Okay. You got the Pelicans. Honestly.

The Pelicans aren't last. 24. If the Pelicans get to 24 wins at this point, miracle. My life is going to be so good ones. So the three worst teams will probably be like the Nets, the Wizards, and the Pelicans. They have the Pelicans right above the jazz. in his projection oh i forgot about the jess yeah we hey man we got to talk about them

for a second i was like hey maybe maybe utahs actually out here maybe they could do something and then you know three straight losses you lose it to the hornets without lame mellow ace bailey not not looking great he's put on APB i haven't seen him at all this whole season but he apparently he's dealing with the sickness

that he's been recovering from like he had an illness that's holding him back holding his conditioning back so the mormons got him man that mountain air is different I hope he died I think it'll be fine but he said then to give him some grace in terms of its conditioning

getting back on track so fair enough there that's extended my jazz thoughts I have no thoughts about the Utah Jazz right now okay before we end the stream what are some other teams or players you guys are panicked about chat you guys tell us right now too what are other teams or players that maybe it's not over maybe it's not it's too early to sound the alarms

completely but you're noticing some negative feelings Obviously, the first guy is Palo. Palos also got to the point where, and things that flip so, so, so fast, because at the end of last year, like, he still had a playoff run where he had, he scored, like, 37 in a playoff game against the Celtics. He played, like, probably, he played decent, right? Still did the Palo things to where you can feel decent about where they're going. And then in the offseason, I do feel like Isaac and other people who. hate palo we're able to to spread their agendas because now every single palo game is very much dissected and anytime that he has a a non-efficient game which is a lot of the time

everybody's like see this is this is this is exactly what i'm talking about franz better all this funny i think i was pretty early on the palo truthers about him being a little overrated given where he's at in his development curve it's everywhere now there are so many white podcasters that are being so overly critical and so just like veiled in their agendas and why they're being hateful to Palo that is making me want to stop.

They're making me want to like Palo because they're so corny about how much they hate on him and like people can't have nuance. People can't be like Palo is currently inefficient and his pace of play and the speed in which he dissect defense is too slow to warrant the usage he gets

relative to Franz and we got to figure out a better balance for him to hit his best ceiling but he'll be good one day. no we can't have new ones like that like I've been saying it's this guy's a bum he's Josh Smith he shouldn't be on this team let's ship him out for spare parts dump his contract he's a loser like it's so aggressive and so ridiculous that I don't even want to criticize me anymore because now it feels lame yeah yeah and you're back on our side let's go I'm not though like I still think that this is all true but like I think he'll be fine long term whereas these guys want him dead

yeah like if he wasn't getting to the room as much as he is this year or if he isn't like necessarily getting the certain spots where he's shooting his shots at. If that shot diet hasn't developed, which I think it did a little bit, then I think we're getting to the point where it's just nasty conversations had about him and just nasty mumbo-jumbo. And again, people were talking comparing him to, you said who Josh Smith? Yeah. People are throwing out Carmilla with these relax. Relax. Relax. Relax. Relax. Relax. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I think I've always said that the people that say he is looks like the closest thing since brawn he's low key a top 15 player y'all just don't watch the magic and all this like needless hype that's where i was like relaxed he's a

young player that has a very unique set of strengths and weaknesses i think he's behind schedule in terms of what you want for number one pick compared to like the guys you're hyping up compared to but he will be fine ultimately i think and maybe that my version of fine is just i don't think he's ever going to be a top 10 player probably i think he'll just be a very good all-star that's like you know a good player maybe not ever going to win a championship as elite guy but like he'll be The magic will be fine building around him fronds. But yeah, apparently some people just think he's like worthless. It's always funny when people are like, you don't watch my team.

That's the basketball equipment. Like, you know, you just don't understand what I'm saying. I actually understand what you're saying very clearly. And I actually do watch your team. And that's why I feel this way. I know. Every time people say that to us, I'm always like, you have no idea how much I don't enjoy watching this team. And the fact that I have to do it should tell you something because I wouldn't be speaking about

this team if I didn't watch them. And it's sad. Like, I'm not enjoying this on the off nights I'm speaking of. And I'm really not. That's not really a magic thing. That's about other team. that give us that criticism. Yeah,

the only difference between like us and the fans of all 29 other teams that we watch is that, yo, like we're not hardcore fans

and we don't have any emotional entitlement or attachment. Someone said, don't lie to me, you don't watch those damn wizards. No,

here's the thing. But teams like the wizards, I watch the hell out of them early in the season because I know come March and April, I'm watching the motherfuckers once every three weeks. Yeah.

So at this point in the year, I'm actually watching a lot of wizards. Come April, don't expect me to talk about them because I will not be watching them at the end of the regular season. They're actually one of, like, my five, not my five,

one of my 10 most exciting teams to watch this year so far. And then it drops off as time goes on. Yeah. You don't find myself. I'm finding myself get old in my NBA brain. I've been so long. I hear sentences like that and I'm like, you're a fucking liar. You dork.

Like, we're always like these young, interesting teams are so fun. Yeah. Ten most interesting. Yeah, for sure. Just because I don't know necessarily what's going to happen. I can like. I know. They can be trash.

And hear out the storylines from a. couple of other teams like you know what to expect from the wars you know what to what you're going to get from the miami heat you know what you're going to get from teams like that that are necessarily that are seasoned yeah both from the wizards you don't know what's going to happen that's i think i'm i'm aging out a little bit of my like endless optimism around mid young cores of like they're so interesting wait till the shade and sharp leap comes stuff like that where like i'm still like i'm not like these guys stink this core is bad but i'm no longer like this is one of my most important league pass teams like i'm like sometimes these young cores

we need to have a little more reality and not endless optimism yeah i'm very much like that where i'm like all right man you you got to do something but no i'm with you i'm also locked in on the wigs they played the nix tonight last week this i'm maybe too locked in found myself betting on the wizards oh god i found myself found myself doing that i'm like okay i'll back i'll back off here betting on the wizards mind you this is and i probably that's why i was so heated about that C.J. McClellan game. Bro, bro, oh my God. I was so mad.

I was so mad because it was like half. You got to check you win, man. First of all, listen. It was half time. Mind you, he's betting on the woods before we even have a new gambling sponsorship. He's doing this for a love with the game. Listen, it was half time.

They were up. They were up on Philly. I liked what I saw. And I got him at plus odds. And so I was like, okay, yeah. Like, I'll do this. They were up by like 14, midway through the third. then they said CJ McCollum take us home and he bricked shot after shot and I was like

bro what is happening right now well we've done gambling sponsorships in the past they give you like credits to play with like post slips of yeah next time Donovan gets next time we do a gambling sponsorship and we get credit to play with he's gonna be an issue we're gonna have to send to the hospital we're gonna have to watch I was so I was so because again they were up like eight with two minutes left I was okay listen just make some free throws we can get out of here everything is fine and then here comes here comes CJ McCollum ha ha ha ha brick this every single time do me a favor and check out what i just sent you it's in the group chat and also let me see it to you personally as well so you could not cross

your mind all right he sent me please he sent me the link to the national problem gambling help line on the wizards yeah i'm i'm deleting your number and you know what's funny uh for those you guys who watch house call i'm gonna keep doing me rob that If I had a gamble, probably I'd be, I'd be hocking my watch. I'll be, it's a hobby. For those you guys who watch Housecall, beginning of the season, we were doing two episodes a week, experimenting with different formats. And when we did two a week, we had extra time from our segments.

And we did Don's picks of the week for the first four weeks of the NFL season. Every week, Don would get up there and he'd give five picks he has gambling for that week on the NFL. Those are picks he actually did in real life. And we just tracked it as we went, seeing how, you know, proficient of a gambler he is. Somebody said lost so much money. So did Donovan. He got almost zero right.

Mind you. We stopped doing it. We stopped doing it because we switched back to once a week, so we didn't have the time in the show. We might have stopped doing it for his own credibility. Hold on, hold on. In my defense, in my defense, the, I promise, the week we stopped, I went four and one. I was actually kind of upset that we didn't have two episodes because I was like, finally. Like, I've been embarrassing myself for the first quarter of the season.

I finally had a good week. He went out of five, a one and four for six. several weeks in a row I stopped posting the social graphic I was like y'all got to tune in for the show man he's killing himself I'm being for this yo man got so bad to the points where you might have to start sleeping on the set man that's how bad it might have gotten

thank god we stop so as we need to go back to that schedule I like seeing Donovan gamble and lose yeah that might become a segment on the streams for this show in the future because we're gonna Donovan's gonna find a way to get some credibility here because so far it's been up on the losses I'll take it out right now I'll take it out right now

I'll see what I like right now Oh my gosh, man Put some little Monday afternoon lays in You know what I'm saying? You know what I said y'all should be two episodes Again on that show I don't like it I felt so bored by the preview

and recap formant that every NFL show does I felt like y'all got enough of that There's a million shows that do that And it was just like uninteresting to me To do a same recap every week I'd rather just do the same thing we do on 2D3. We have once a week one like overarching topic like we do on the mainline show here. That felt much more like our tone to me than just trying to do the like weekly cadence

everybody else does. Yeah. I like it was cool like having to go ahead and be more buttoned up and have like a super strict concept that we go through every single Monday. But it was very taxing considering like all the research that we had to do through every single game and be super buttoned up. Yeah, it's got too repetitive. And I like a, I get two in the weeds.

Having a title every week of reacting to week two, week three, week four isn't our bag necessarily. That's kind of stale. Yeah, very predictable. Yeah. But here we are. End of the stream talking about the most disappointing teams in the NFL, well, NBA. See, I like stuttered twice and I said the right one. I still saw the wrong one.

One thing I will say, the other day I was genuinely pissed. I don't remember who had the Miami heat. It may have been me on our last episode. but I found out that Bamadabio was taking 7 3s a game I knew it was taking a lot I thought it was gonna be like 4 maybe 5

but 7 3s a game Yeah, that's a lot What the fuck? I feel like Hamai Hawke is Dunkin 7 times a game So it's okay The spacing's amazing Hamai Hockes is killing it

At the room finisher He was dominating Making the Lakers look like babies As a driver He's a goo now But 7 3's a game Brother that's ruining your efficiency But I guess I just have to

I don't give a damn about Bamahedov's efficiency Yeah he also wasn't like crazy efficient anyways. I guess. But also, it's been, it's been two games, right? It was a weekend. Not going to call anybody actual names.

But Golden State, get it together. Get it together. Yeah, I sent the checks in the group chat. I said they're dying to be on a fraud watch. Yeah. I genuinely was, was disappointed with that because obviously you can't, you shouldn't lose to the bucks if Yannis isn't playing. You let Ryan Rollins go for his career high.

That happened. And then the Pacers and all of the injuries that they have, you go there and you lose that game too it's not a great start to the to the road trip first three games they're looking like oh wow like this warriors team is actually it's actually like that and now you know two games we got we got to see them bounce back so i need them i need them to lock in so i was disappointed in them because that was tough we'll see how they bounce back i'm disappointed in me drafting stuff curry in my fantasy league because he has been on bullshit the past week after an amazing first week two was not pretty for me yeah i would like to see him do

well for my own self-interest and with that being said that's the end of the stream we will see y'all on friday for our next episode should be a fun one appreciate y'all coming in for this stream see you guys on monday for the next stream after this one goodbye