The Deep 3 Podcast - Every 2023 NBA Prediction We Got Right & WRONG! | Ep. 22

Episode Date: February 2, 2023

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So the NBA season is officially like 60% over with, which is wild. It doesn't feel like it's nearly that much. But I feel like at this point of the year, we should look back at our takes from earlier in the season and talk about the things we're right about and the things we're wrong about. Damn. Let's do it. Donovan, I know this is going to be hard for you. You don't like to admit that you wrong.

Well, first of all, I'm not wrong a lot. So that's one. But the stuff I'm right about, the stuff that I'm right about, I'm extremely excited to like just take my victory lap right now. Yeah, that's really much it. I remember some of those things. I know you're going with that, but I also remember some things you're wrong about,

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by this time this comes out we'll be super close to 100k subscribers yeah don't a party at isaac's house fly you in let's get into it donovan what is the first thing you were right about Okay, so listen, I've been saying it all year And I know that I've been sounding like a hater But this is truly just how I felt about this team It's no, but I felt this way about the team coming into the year And I've been sticking to this take because I wanted to be right And it's kind of coming into fruition.

But I was I was 100% right when I said that the Hawks were going to be mid And that they might not even make the playoffs That they're going to be that I said that they were going to be a playing team and that they might lose two games in the playing and not make the playoffs. And that's been my- No, Mike, you said they will. You said they will not make the playoffs? That is also true. But that has been my entire thing about the Hawks this year.

And if you look at them right now, they're 8th in the east. They've lost two games in a row at the time of this recording. They're a game under 500. And Trey Young has taken a step back. The fit between him and DeJante Murray in the back court just hasn't been as like seamless offensively as you would like it to be like Atlanta thought they thought that they were going to get something revolutionary they were like oh we have this they're like we have this great shooter and now we have this great defender who's who's really longer and he can handle the ball as well

we're just going to kill people with our back court and it just hasn't happened they're really really mid i'm happy that they're i'm happy that they're mid as a nix fan i am as a as a You would still kick your ass at the end of the week. As a Knicks fan who, listen, first off, Mo, shut up. The Knicks are ahead of the Hawks right now. But the Hawks, they're the definition of mid. They're a game under 500 at the 8 seed. And right now, I'm right about that.

And I really don't think that they're going to go on some crazy win streak to end the season. So I'm checking that one off as a win for the entire season. Listen, that would have been on my list as well Because I agreed with you I didn't go as far as to say They won't wait to playoffs But I was like They're six to eight seat at best

They're gonna be mediocre They said we have a really good small point guard How do you compliment that? Big point guard And it just never made sense to me So I'm with you Well, why do you talk about this Naturally I was wrong

This is the biggest thing that I was wrong about I said they're going to be like a top four C and I never said top three I was never that outlandish But I said top four five seed they'd be buying in that spot with the cleveland cavaliers and cavaliers are doing their fucking thing but the hawks haven't held up to their end of that conversation so isaac you were right about both of you guys are right about what you said

when it comes to the hawks and why they would fail but when it comes to like in dispisit like specific niche things that the alina that the lena hawks have going on which no one just about no one knows what's going on with their organization from top down they're fucked up. They're screwed up. And when it comes to on the court things, when it comes to on the court things, it's our star point guard who's just having his basketball philosophy and his basketball mind just might be like getting exposed. He doesn't, it seems like he's not playing winning basketball this season. And something else that I want to say that you're wrong about, Isaac, is that this man, Dejante Mary, he's holding up to his end. He's shooting

the best, he's having the best shooting year of his career. He's averaging the most points per game that he's ever had in his career he's doing his fucking thing let's talk about this but there's just something specifically about his game that the hawks completely missed on that's pretty vital in terms of just like how you would imagine a trey young like peak tray young offense being ran

i will tell you can't tell you something mo can't tell you what the hawks miss he's not a finisher he's not what you say yeah go ahead here's what the hawks missed out on they they were box school watching when they saw exactly that's what they were doing they looked at the box fantasy basketball they saw a whole bunch of really good numbers and they say he has to be amazing at basketball but they

but they did not take into account they didn't take into account fit at all and it's like if if djante murray didn't need the ball in his hands if he was just a good defender and a good shooter that would be the perfect person to put next to trey young right to get another shooter to to to have another person in the back court who can who can overcome his um deficiencies on defense but for de jante to be successful he has to be successful he has to be successful in the same way that Tray Young has to be successful. And so there's just, there's literally not, there's just not enough ball to go around. And so like, yeah, for the stock, something has to give.

You mentioned that Dejante is having his best shooting season, that it's not his fault. He's doing his end of the bargain. That was never in question. I don't think anybody thought Ajonte was going to come in and stink it up that he couldn't exist next to Tray. The problem is, like Donovan said fit, but not even just that like they can't play with each other. It's that they don't elevate each other at all and don't elevate those around them. They don't have the ball. so like sure you can plug in

jaunton murray on a trey young play where trey young is doing his high pick and roll thing playing normal tray young basketball but for what they invested into him asset wise you ideally want somebody who makes people around him better when he doesn't have the ball and just fundamental things that tray can do

to make someone like de jonseranter or not even de jonte but clenkapella john collins and d'andre hunter and hunter better is that simply fucking move around our offense why when I watch TV you're out of my goddamn screen it's fucking four on five right now and you're out of the corner chilling damn there at the half point line like what the fuck is going on at this point you know

little things like that and there's nothing that makes the situation better when we have a disgusting head coach who's never done anything in his career other than make the Eastern conference finals thanks to the fucking generational town that I still think that try young is he's having a downsize but regardless of the fact we all know where we stand on him at the end of the day

and like him not playing a j griffin him having jay johnson come off the bench and be a fucking p.J. Tucker s Shooter, he's not a fucking shooter. He's great entrenched and he's a good... This is the most fuck for a minute I've ever heard. It just makes it all screwed up, bro. It's all screwed, bro. Yeah.

It's all screwed. But I was wrong. Terribly wrong. Duh. I think we were talking too much about the offense. The offense isn't even the biggest issue. Like the 14th in offense, which isn't good enough. It's an issue.

It's an issue. But we're glossing over the other side of the ball, which is just as important to talk about with this team. Whenever they traded for Dejante, everyone knew this was an elite offensive team that needed help on defense, right? There were 21st in defense last year, if I remember correctly, like 27th in rim defense, which I pointed out when the trade happened that that rim defense is far more important

than their guard defense and said DeJante Murray is not going to fix that. He's not out here blocking shots. He's not really good bear. And people like to argue with us in the comments and say that I was missing the point because the rim defense was so bad because they had nobody that can stay in front of perimeter players and that by getting Dejante who can strap up with the number one option, that would help solve that along with Oneeca making a leap, which hasn't really happened. but we're seeing there's a 20th defense again that just yeah like we said didn't fix the

issue at all yeah exactly and at that point in my mind it all falls back to the type of head coach that they thought they were getting Nate McMillan you're fucking supposed to be a defensive minding coach that's what you're known for you're not even doing it's yeah exactly if this is what you're known for then fucking do it you can't even do what you're good at bro so at this point why that's fair like why you're there we don't if you look at our roster we don't necessarily have like a great defensive roster but for our starting lineup and we put around Trey Young, John Collins was a much improved

defender, DeAndre Hunter, he's known as a good one-on-one defender and shit like that. And Klingapela he's had a reputation, but I think he's hanging by the threads of his reputation considering like his health and also inconsistency around that end of floor. Like there's a whole lot of question marks. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot, there's a lot of question marks because the Hawks,

listen, the Hawks overall got tricked by Ben Simmons. If Ben Simmons goes up, if, like, If Bentham's goes up for that dunk and the Sixers end up winning that series and the Hawks, you know, if they bounce out in the second round, rather than going to the Eastern Conference finals and thinking that they're a piece away from making that kind of run again from being a finals contender, being a player in the Eastern Conference for like years to come, then I don't think that they, you know, make a move with the draft capital that they did for DeJante Merck. Like this is still very much a building, they're not a rebuilding team, but they are a building team and they're There's a lot of steps. Yeah, there's a lot of steps that they needed to do. They think they're rebuilding team.

I think they think they should win it all. Exactly. They think that. They are clearly not built for that. And so, like, with Moe, Moe doesn't like Nate McMillan. I'm also, of the opinion, McMillan should go.

I think this is, because now this is two years where they have- somebody else should go too, though. He should. A lot of people should go. We got to shake some shit up, not just Nate McMillan.

It's not just his fault. They need to make a major, move but they just traded away all of the draft capital for the next you know a few years for jaunte so damn which is why john collins though is in the trade block because that's the only way they improve for years to come at least at least one more i'm looking at their numbers real quick so the biggest glaring flaw i see in their defense is their room frequency is insanely high 37% of the shots they give up is at the rim it's 28th in the NBA bro and what that sounds like is that they still don't have good perimeter defenders that stop people from getting to the rim

Dejante is not prime kauai i don't know what people expect it he's not going to come in and plug all these holes what dejante is great at is fucking deflecting with them big ass long alien arms that he has he's great he's a great disruptor and i'll overall i would say like defensively it's been up and down for him this season it's way it's not we expected as hawks fans or i expected as a hawk fan and when it comes to just like having everyone on the same page and having a fucking plan because right now looks like nat's like all right y'all I'll always ball out and let me know when you need a time out. That's what the top of basketball that it looks like.

I can't tell you what the fuck our scheme is on defensively whatsoever. I can't tell you what we like to do or don't like to do, bro. Neither can I honestly. That's a great reference. I'm pretty good at understanding teams, X's and those philosophies. I don't know what type of defense they run honestly. Like maybe it's just me not watching the fox. I could not tell you what their plan is and what the flaw is.

I just feel like I'm watching a very regular team that doesn't do anything X's nose-wise. That should inspire you. Without Trey Young, we let the Portland Trobladers, who are a great team with offensive firepower. I'm not sure where they rank in the NBA in terms of, yeah. We're going to talk about the Blazers. Hold on to that. I don't know where they rank, but without Trey Young,

you would assume that the Hawks, okay, we only got Trey, we don't lock down and they're not going to score over like 110 points. They fucking dropped like 130 on us, bro. What the fuck? What am I watching? So at that point, you can't even bitch on Trey Young. How many fucks Moe has said during this hawk segment? It's got to be in these 30.

He's been against him monetized. Yeah. Why didn't any of y'all check me until now? I'm going to joke about it earlier. It's so funny because any time you talk about the hawks, that ends up being like our longest segment of the episode. Yeah. We'll just get going.

He gets into the back. I'm with that. Keep going. Cook. I'm going to let you cook. Rent about this team. I'm glad we'll talk about them first. The hawks are burnt.

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And we had a video where he talked about which teams are most likely to make the finals. And I was like, listen, the nets have a very low floor if this Kyrie shit explode, the Kevin Durant requests a trade. But if things work out well, you see an elite team there. And, you know, after the first month of the season,

we were like, oh, fuck, you're wrong as shit. They're horrible. Both things happen this year. They imploded and then they came back together and now they're actually a good team It's the weirdest thing I've ever seen watching basketball. It's crazy.

Gotta be the most remarkable in season turnaround that we've seen in recent years. They've kind of fallen off a little bit now because Katie got hurt, but you can't really blame for that. When Katie was healthy and they were cooking under Jacques Vaugh after they fired Steve Nash,

you saw exactly what we predicted, and I'm going to take the dub on that. When they're healthy, this team is legitimately great. You don't see exactly what you predicted. You didn't predict Nick Claxon to be fucking damn near playing defensive player

of the year type basketball. You didn't expect fucking Ben Simmons to be had to have the same talent level as Omir Asik, all right? Listen, listen, listen, irrelevant. They're a good team, that's all I said. I said they'd be a third seat. I think they're in a third seat right now. So I'm not taking it.

It's in a weird, twisted way where they found success. It's not what you envision at all, but it's still beautiful. So Claxen has basically just been the defensive stopper that I thought Ben could be if he got back into Prime Ben. So listen, the avenue for which we got there was kind of a wash. Yeah, I mean, basically that was right. I mean, I'm going to take that around. Yeah, no.

I think we've talked at length about them being a disaster early in the year. We talked a little bit about them since they turned it around. But just the way that they're able to deploy these lineups that has tons of shooting and tons of wing versatility with Yuduadanabe, T.J. Warren, obviously, Kevin Durant, Royce O'Neill. It's just such a well-oiled machine on offense, such a modern basketball team with the size and so versatile. It's been everything we could hope for. Exactly. And when they go ahead, this is a wild prediction, but when they go ahead and either trade for

Seth Curry or Joe Harris in return for Nas Reid and get an actual offensive center who's a threat, bro, it's going to be, it's going to be different. It's going to be nasty. It's going to be nasty. Interesting. They have pieces, they have pieces, and they're not done moving pieces around. I guess he knows. Yeah, Nasreed is fucking nice.

I'm a big Nazaree guy. If Nasrude gets a starting spot on a rebuilding team, if you put him on the piss-ins or whatever, they don't need to be more. to draft Duren, but if he gets a spot where he plays 30 minutes a game, he could be like sub-all-star really good level player. Like, he's so underrated. Yeah, absolutely. That's interesting.

Why does everybody want to trade Joe Harris? I think Joe Harris is good. Every Nets fan wants him out of there. Is it just like an avenue to get better thing? I guess simply because he's limited, out of their both two sharpshooters, he's the most limited in my mind. Over Seth Curry. They're both ass on defense.

No, he's not. He's a fine defender. He's better defensive than Seth Curry. I won't say fine defender he's bigger but he was good defender last year since he came back from injury I feel like he's probably been a little slower but that's that he's not a bad defender that's probably what it is he had a lot of like ups and downs and his recovery from from that from that injury and so I bet to a lot of next fans are probably just over it and they're just like listen get get healthy so we can send you it and so we can send you anywhere else to actually get somebody who can come in and play consistently

no facts that'd be kind of cool I mean who says no me why I don't want him on my team I got AJ Griffin I'm good Listen if they What Now they're here nor there

But I think The hawks should be interested In a sharpshooter The hawk should want a shooter I'll say that We just need to play our fucking rookie That's all we need to do God

That's funny Was anybody here So none of us were down on the nets right So I think actually not I think about it What I should have done Is watch our predictions this podcast so like we could be on the money with these type of things i remember i believe now i think about it i was lower on the nets and i think i had them around the seventh you did or 60 or something

i want to say you had the hawks right above them yeah i saw the vision yeah i saw like i think i think i said best case scenario they would end up as like the two seed and then worst case scenario they would miss the playoffs so i mean listen again they did i don't think we've ever even boston even boston turn around last year from being mid to being one of, you know, the best teams to being, yeah, to being one of the best teams in the league, we've never seen anybody make this turn around. It's the same reason why I have Jacques Vaughn as my coach of the years just because he came in and turned everything around and they actually looked like a competent basketball team.

And if there's any, if there's any reason for anybody to be like, you know what, we should stop being so mean to Kevin Durand on Twitter. It's because he tried to get Steve Nash out of it. He tried to warn us all summer long, and he tried to tell us, Steve Nash can't coach basketball. He doesn't know what he's doing. And we saw that for the first half of the season. There's no footwork. He can't commit a move to memory.

Exactly. And so, listen, shout out Jack Bond, shout out, shout out the Nets, especially because they're not just doing it on offense. It's because Claxton's holding them down on defense. Shout on that, Claxon, man. Right? And they're actually doing it on both ends of the floor. They're, right now I'm looking at the numbers.

It's their 10th in defensive rating on the season. Crazy with the personnel they have. That's really, really freaking good. So shout out Brooklyn. And without Ben Simmons being good at basketball, like at all. Jesus. God, man. Shout out of Brooklyn, man.

Mo, what is one thing you're right about? One thing I'll write about are the Sacramento Kings. I remember one thing that I hold to my heart is like, yo, I was typing up the Kings like crazy. I was the one believer, bro. I was the one true believer before they even start. the whole beam town team or whatever the fuck they did bro just beam team

yeah for you're you're obsessed with you're obsessed with deer and fox so you're speaking to existence I'm not obsessed with deer and fox I just like the sacchargingoamunch you're just like the Fox much that's crazy relax

relax all right before this tomfoolery was out of your mouth I was talking about what what gravitates me towards the sacramid kings is your fucking fan base and how deep they are

And in regards of how trash they are, bro, they show every game. And they've always had one of the strongest supporting base in my mind for absolutely no reason, bro. And with the pieces that they've put together, the Malik, amongst of the world, the Kevin Herders, I knew Kika Murray is going to be nice. And I thought he was going to fit perfectly alongside DeMontas, a bonus. And they got Terrence Davis and Davian. They're just a, I won't say a deep team, but they got bodies on that team. They're pretty solid deep team.

And with, I forgot, I forgot their head coach's name came from the word. Mike Brown. I feel like an idiot. Yeah, with Mike Brown coming in fresh off the warrior system and having another chance of being a head coach, I'm like something could definitely be brewing. They are going to be cooking this season, not defensively because I don't really have any bodies for that,

but offensively, goddamn, they're gas. And I don't know what they are offensively, but also they for sure been top. They are number one, technically two, but they're point two behind the nuggets. They're tied for one, essentially. And those two teams are like by far number one. They're a full point above three, four, five.

Which somehow the Utah Jazz is the third best offensive rating in the NBA right now? What the fuck? When did that happen? Who let that happen? I don't know, but shout out Larry Markman. But anyways, yeah, the Kings have been teetering with first and second offense all year.

Earlier in the season, I was like, all right, it's cute. We'll see what happens. They're just legitimately extremely good. DeMontesabonis is an all-star. De' Aaron Fox is on the cusp. If there's enough alternates, he might make it. Kevin Herder is that fucking guy. He is one of the best shooters in the NBA.

and a legitimately talented offensive player beyond just the shooting He can listen as someone who drafted Keegan Murray in fantasy and promptly dropped him because he hasn't been doing anything I'm a little bit disappointed by him because we all thought he'd come in and fuck shit up right away But he's contributing to a solid team

We can't be mad at it Yeah, yeah Yeah, there's a good team I'll take the L on this one Because I thought And this is this would be my first one But I thought that the kings were going to be trash And we were talking

We were talking about them early on in the season thought they were going to miss the playoffs i thought they were going to be closer to like the 13th C potentially 13 yeah you're you're a wilding i was i was very very low on on the kings i didn't have a lot of faith in mike brown coming over uh based on his his previous since i didn't think that the defense would be there which technically it hasn't really been there this year but they've just been able to be incredibly efficient on offense yeah so but i was wrong about them I admit it now, I admitted it a couple weeks ago

I am officially being team I'm rooting for Sacramento This is the craziest switch up in history No it really is I'm rooting for Sacramento Like I want good things to happen for the Kings Yeah I have both the Air Fox

And so bonus as all stars this year Like the third seed The third seed In the West I think it was a great assault Because you know how volatile that is But yeah they're in the mix Which is amazing

Listen 60% And again by the time The Allstar game comes Which is extremely late but that's that's crazy that's crazy that they're not even like in play and talk they're in they're in top six yeah they're they're they're in honkwood advantage talk right now it's crazy they have one more win than the nine seats like the we got to take the seating right now with the grain of salt because the defense the west is so insanely tight but again you got to give them

their credit right yeah if you were to tell anyone before the season started like yo the sacramento kings are going to be the top three seed in the in the western conference book that shit you would have looked at them and handed them like yo you would have handed them like a drug house a fucking drug house ticket to call that number and check yourself in because something is not right with you bro that's crazy as hell you don't thought the NBA something disastrous had to happen and half the teams

just fucking ran to diabolical injuries but no they're just like that simply good side note the Knicks and Lakers are currently battling I'm watching my other screen when you guys are talking it's a close-house game really four minutes left Lakers are up by two is LeBron who's going to break the record? He has 117. Yeah, he scored 118 points tonight.

That was such a funny tweet. Free, I don't know, Legion Hoops tweeted. LeBron is 117 points away from breaking the record. Will he hit it tonight? It went viral because they baited everybody and they're being mad. It was so funny. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. The keys of them. I think my biggest takeaway is, one, it's time to talk about Kevin Herger is one of the best role players in the NBA. He's like truly an incredibly impactful offensive player. He does way more than just shooting, like I said.

And secondly, seeing DeMonte Sabonis be freed from playing with another center and really be able to eat and be this mini-yokish hub of an offense incredible there was earlier there was a point like a couple weeks ago where he had 10 assists in three straight games like this guy's a legitimately extremely good passer and even though he has his defensive deficiencies the things he can do on offense make him so much better of a player

than I ever thought he would be he needs all the flowers facts yeah yeah so much more room to breathe and now that he doesn't have another big body in the fucking paint like the vision is just otherworldly now and honestly when we talk about the best passes in NBA I don't know why I almost never hear DeMontas abonis mentioned okay one of the blacks because he's not like one of the better past he's not one of the best passes in the NBA one of the better of first for Biggs absolutely bigs absolutely and he is a legitimately good playmaker I see your point but yeah he's yeah he's incredibly

impactful with the playmaker I love that he's going to be an all-star again yeah deserved it bro shut out Donovan we talked about We all thought about one thing we were right about. What's one thing you were wrong about, Donovan? Okay. On top of the Kings being trash. I thought that the Miami Heat were going to be closer to the top of the Eastern Conference rather than the bottom.

And they are also, they're also mid in terms of like, in terms of, like, in terms of. They are, they are. But the heat, I thought we're going to be able to have just enough offense to put them in the top. for and I was giving them that respect just because it seems like it seems like we look up every single year and Miami's just good and we we get to this point in the season and after everybody's been hurt and they start bringing in guys from the G league we just look up and we're like oh snap like Miami's in Miami's the one team Miami's the two seed and they just figure it out and I thought that was going to happen this year it hasn't defensively they are they're just

as good as they were last year in terms of like ranking among the league the top five in defense right now the offense which is already a problem last year has completely fallen off a cliff right so last year in points per possession yeah in points per possession they were 11th in the league this year they are 25th per per clean in the glass what a fall off they are trash on that end of the floor and i know that jimmy butler's been in and out i know that they've had a lot of lot of injuries but yeah that's what it is. They just haven't been able to get that spark. I also thought that Kyle Lowry was going to have a really, really good year. And while he's been, well, he's been better in some cases,

he's wooled and he looks like shit. He's a shell of himself. He's barely, he's putting it on to 40% from the field right now, bro. He is washed. I'm trying to cap for, I'm trying to cap for Kyle because I really want that. Let's not. I really wanted that to work out. That's the old man that I'll defend him, him and Eudonis has him. But, They just haven't been good on offense. And it's just led to them falling in the standings. And so now they're going to be fighting for playing, play, you know, like not being in the play and they're in the six seed right now.

They're going to try to stay out of there. So, yeah, I thought Miami was going to be much better than what they were. So I was wrong with you in that I predicted that be a pretty high seed, but I didn't believe it. Every year, I'm like, yeah. People call me in the comments a lot of Miami hater because I guess I kind of am a little bit. I'm always, every time we talk about Jimmy Butler, I'm like, yeah, I think I'm a little lower than the rest of y'all. And just in general, I never have anything good to say about Miami.

Every year, I'm like, I just don't see it. Their average team, but like you said, we look up and they're the fucking one seed. So I was like, I'm not going to be fooled wrong again. I'll put them as a three seat. They're got to make it somehow. I didn't believe it. I was like, this team is mid. They don't have a power forward. I don't believe in Caleb Martin as you're starting power forward. I was right, but I wasn't brave enough to say it, so I was wrong. Yeah, exactly. I feel like whenever at least the three of us i was right up there with y'all i i didn't like believe in them 110 percent but i was the main one in that conversation driving like you have to respect this team because they were literally one game away from the NBA finals last year

and this team is slightly different because they're just different pieces and there's just so many i feel like there's so many more randoms now who i've never heard before in my life or seen before in my life that's on the roster where we're getting quality minutes which kind of throws me off and it's a part of the reason why they're just not that good anymore this season. But, like, they're Miami. You have to respect them. And I feel like a lot of NBA fans just tend to gloss over them because they're not the flashiest team.

They have, like, the same remedy and formula going on waiting for Bam to go ahead, pick up ahead of steam, you know, and they... BAM's been great. Unfortunately, yeah, BAM's been a solidified All-Star. Bam held the fort down when Jimmy Butler was hurt and did his thing. I think you talked about it last episode, or the episode before that, he's finally averaging 20 points per game, doing his thing. shout out bam he's the one bright spot

and jimmy's been good but he's always as always jimmy butler just misses games all the time and no one talks about it yeah exactly so Jimmy bull is just irrelevant in the regular season it feels like and when it's a playoff it's like okay now it's for real watching my meat no one's really watching them on a regular season bro at least I'm not

you know tell me you don't watch heywood high smith basketball that doesn't excite you a healthy dose of Victor World de Depot for 710 minutes this season that's disgusting man yeah yeah then the thing is though we're saying all this they're healthy now and they're looking decent they're back up to the six seed and they were like 11 earlier in the year so

maybe we're gonna see the 16th year right now and there are four wins behind the three seed maybe we'll look up and they'll be the five seed again maybe four seed they're definitely trotting along bro you really can't write them off they're sliding a little bit I see the calves sliding down just a little bit because of injuries and whatnot or whatever and Miami we'll talk about the calves a little bit yeah we'll go and talk about the calves a little bit, but the Miami, they're doing anything. You know, let's talk about the cabs now. It's my turn. One thing I was right about, the calves are fantastic.

Early in the year, this is another thing I flamed in the comments for in the off season. I said, we're talking about grading teams as contenders. I gave the calves an A-minus. I was like, there is a ceiling here where they will be one of the very best teams in the East. Donald and Mitchell will come in, clicking on all cylinders, finally freed from the shackles of Rudy Gaubert,

and they will be off with the best small back court and the best big front court. It'll combine to be beautiful basketball. that's largely been the case they're technically the Ficey right now I think but the top four are so bunched up that like they're in that stratosphere they have the same amount of wins as the 76ers

I think we can call them a tier one East team no okay besides the hater who was on the opposite in the conversation not too no you're right you're right you're right you're right the Celtics are tier one by themselves they're tier two they're in there with the sixers the nets the bucks

no they're not they're not in there with the bucks they are when healthy they are when healthy they are yeah that's well duh i'm not talking about them when they're missing no no i'm not i'm not i'm not talking to you i'm talking to moe i'm talking to when health when healthy the calves are tier two like they're they're there they're as good as anybody in the east when everybody's there see this is where we're at because for for background for because we had no way love a lot of new viewers when we said this original conversation i said they'd be one of the best teams in the east

actually i think the verbiage i use is they'd be closer to the best teams in the east and they would to play in team. Mo thought that they have potential but potential for next year is the wording he used that it would take some time to gel and next year we see them be good. So obviously they're better than you expected. Why is that? Yeah. So they're they're better than I expected because Donald Donovan Mitchell is just simply him. I think a lot of people just forget just how goddamn good. A hundred percent. And like how great of a star player he is. He's absolutely insane, bro. He is insane. But a part of the reason why I didn't think they're going to go ahead and like Be as dominant the way you were talking about you were talking like they're going to be a two three seed and just like and there would be a gap and they would for sure be tier one with the Boston cells

That those are those are the vibes that I was getting from you damn you're and in my I'll stand by like they are dude they're fuck they're four they're the fifth seed right now like I I thought one less win in the three seed and two less wins in the two seed it's so what I said what I was not wrong what I would I admit it do be like that sometimes like that like the one game I don't give a shit about the one game listen the one game difference the two game difference well I seem small a lot of times that's the difference between great teams and just good teams it's the small it's the difference in healthy teams and non-healthy teams that's the difference it's the small margins I understand

I understand what Mo's coming from I disagree but I understand I just simply don't see envision them in the same light as the Milwaukee Bucks and the Boston Celties because they're all solidified and they have pieces and they know what their pieces are going to do and they have no kinks nor holes they're fluid as fuck and after the cleveland cavaliers they are the same thing but they have a kink they have a couple of kinks

how they not how the bucks don't have kinks this year do you think the bucks don't have well of course they have a few kinks but at the end of the day in a playout series you're taking the bucks over the cleveland cavaliers i don't you have to ask you yeah because i thought the bucks would be a two seed and the calves be a three seats so i'm with you yeah exactly again that's not the point the point could you see a world where the hawks with the calves are in the Eastern Conference Finals, would that shock you? Would that shock me?

I would say yes and no, because it's like, like, I'm not going to say that there. I can't get behind that one. My thing is, like, they're good, but they're not like runaway good and there's not a humongous gap. Nobody in the East is,

unless you want to be on the Celtic side, nobody in the East is runaway good. That's the point. Is there just as good as these teams, the nets, their flaw? While Nick Claxton has been great, We'll see how the defense holds off in playoffs. Kevin Durant's never healthy.

Ben Simmons is scared of basketball. The 76 years have James Hardin. The Bucks can't make shots this year. Everybody has a kink, and the calves have much of a chance. Hey, listen, my pick, though, from Milwaukee, they've won four in a row. They're coming on. They are. They're doing some things.

Yeah. I just simply think that they're going to have to go through it. Like, every squad in the history of the NBA, they're going to have to go through one playoff series that really test their gangs and how real they are. and I think the next season is when I'm going to be like that boys can win the finals not the finals the finals I'm going to hold off on that take that you had and apply to them next year just not now I want to see what I think of Corro is going to be about what the fuck is caroliver going to be about type of shit like that or they're replacing for you question for you mo let's say right so

everything plays out right now let's say the playoffs started today Cleveland they play the nets in the first round are you taking the calves or the nets in that series is kevin durand healthy healthy Healthy KD I would take the I would take A healthy Nets in like seven It'll be tough It's a toss-ups

Damn near a toss-up Okay Let's say Let's say Cleveland advances past that They play the one seat They play They play Boston They get that ass bounced

In what In five games In nine In like six Give them respect six I have Okay I'm very confused On your point right now

Because now Because like either they take So either they take a team To seven games games like they either take him into seven games or the the best team that's a whole tier above them has to fight through six games to beat them but like they're not that good the nets are weird in the equation if you're to tell me like the team like the Philadelphia 76 or some of that just feels a little bit more for sure James Hardin's James Hardin I understand that but

like I trust them a little bit more in the playoffs and the Brooklyn Nets because they're just ups and downs I don't fuck with the ups and downs but in general I feel like the team Is there? There's just certain things that I need to see proven to prove to me that you're there. And it's not there yet. I feel you. It's a lack of vibes in Cleveland. Yeah, exactly.

I just need to prove it to me that you're there. On paper, you look, they have one of my favorite rosters, roster constructions in the NBA. Probably, like, easily one of my three favorites, bro. Fun as hell. They're damn near indestructible in my mind. Well, if they were indestructible, you wouldn't think they're tier three. so let's not go too far but yeah I got you

it's not crazy this is semantics I think they're Tier 2 you think they're tier 3 who's to say what these tiers even mean it's to you're own

either way the calves are really good and part of my prediction was me saying also that Donovan Mitchell has weirdly become the most underrated player in the NBA

because after the playoff meltdown everyone was like oh he sucks you can't play defense is a one way player people were talking about him like they're talking about Trey Young now

and I was like what the the fuck are y'all talking about donovan mitchell is fantastic the jazz just had fatal flaws like so i'll add that into there something i was right about dmitch is absolutely him yeah take your take your w about that i i can't believe that some of the discourse that was talked about when it comes to donovan mitchell you're right they're you hit it on the money they're giving him the trey young treatment currently right now just hilarious yeah oh ad just three seconds left anthony davis just got a charge driving to the rim it's a tie game at three seconds left

They call the charge in AD. I hate the charge. We need to take that out of basketball. Brunson drew a charge, bro. We need to take the charge out of basketball. That is a terrible, terrible. It's not a basketball play. They threw two bodies in him and he got a charge.

It's so awful. Just a random side note. You run to the spot and you don't try to. And you don't try to play any type of defense. You just try to stand there and get hit. Jump up. Let's actually be basketball players. Let's try to defend the shot.

The charge is terrible. If the challenge is going to get reversed, Jalen was outside the restricted zone, and he hadn't even stopped yet. Side notes. One of the most disgusting things that I've ever seen in my entire life is someone in a in real life basketball pickup game tried to take a charge. What is wrong with you? Ners. Took a charge? Take a charge at 24?

At L.A. fitness? Nah. I can't do it. Yeah, no. Who's respect to that? What's one thing you were right about? Yeah. So, one thing that I was right about.

was the Indiana Pacers I felt like that they yeah so this is me giving my followers to Tyrese Halliburton you know love it there's not a humongous one I feel like this was kind of obvious but seeing Tyler's giving Tyrese Halliburton all that spacing in my mind like I felt in knowing the type of player that he was in the type of player that he wasn't allowed to be when he was in Sacramento I didn't think that he was i didn't i didn't think that he was going to be able to you know fuck i think i'm fucking on my words tyris halberton with freedom and somewhat respectable shooters being around him and also fucking bed in a mather and coming out of fucking nowhere

and being the flamethrower where that he is still doing it is beautiful to see and i was right about the indiana pacers but i was a counter on the screen oh my god yeah you're right a hundred percent the pacers were really good when tyrese was healthy because he's in incredible and Miles Turner freed from DeMontes Sabonis was eating as well they were a legitimately good team and you definitely if you called that I don't remember what you thought said about them if you were thinking they're going to be good shout out to you because they're fantastic I thought they're going to be straight not as good but I knew that they were going to do something once Tyrese got hurt they fell off a cliff so that should tell you his all-star can

is here right there shout out to you I for real thought they were going to be tanking for wendy this year I thought I thought I thought it was going to be Tyrese and women yama next year Listen, I thought Buddy Healed and Miles Turner would be Lakers by now. So I wasn't even thinking about the Pacers as a competitive entity. Yeah. I wasn't even thinking about them as a, they were a social construct. They were just a team that was there to supply the Russell Westbrook sweepstakes. Facts.

Yeah, they've been good. 2K do. Yeah, Tyrese is absolutely him. Yeah, so. I want to say something I was wrong about it real quick. Okay. I want to hear it. I thought the Warriors were going to win the finals.

Oh, no. I don't know what you thought I was going back to say, but I thought the Warriors are going back to back. I thought they would be, maybe the best team in the West again, be fantastic. The young guys would take a step, hopefully. We saw something from Camunga last year. We thought he would see a little bit more. We saw Moses Moody lie at the G League, be too good to play for that competition. So we thought maybe he'd be decent in the NBA now.

He could be a rotation player, but they don't play them. I thought James Wise wouldn't do them something. He's in the G League. I think all of us underrated the loss of Gary Payton and Autoporter, because, like, how could we not? It's just Gary Payton and Autoporter. but that team is not the same yeah but regards I think they would have been

a little bit worse because neither of them played this season Gary Payne just started playing recently but um like the Warriors they just won like two back to back road games of the first time this season or like 50 games into the season which is kind of crazy to say ridiculous but uh and also they have a little like an inch of breathing room now in the Western

conference I think they're like a top five seat or something something like that so you never know this year so fast they're 10th a day ago they're so right so right now the words are fifth but they are tied with the sons in terms of games back of the one scene we need to ignore

the standings for now yesterday the Timberwolves were the six seed and I saw Timberwolves fans gloating about it that the validate in the Rudy Gobert trade by the way the Lakers game just went to overtime the Knicks missed the shot with the game on the line okay but yeah the Warriors aren't them

yeah I had that I had that down as well I thought that the words were going to be elite. They are not. They had that really weird stretch where they couldn't win anything on the road, but they listen. The first 40 games of the year? Exactly. Listen, they've won, they've won three in a row though. Steph Curry's back. So maybe they're only two and a half games behind Sacramento for the three seat. Like they might be able to get up to three and they might be able to do something in the playoffs. Like, and when I say do something, I mean a Western Conference finals appearance like they might be able to they might be able to play for finals appearance again and

i don't think i would be shocked i'm ready for the warriors grisley's playoff series though i that's come that's coming this year and we we need that and that's going to be super fun but yeah they're they're they're not this they're not this juggernaut that's you know that's rolling through everybody yeah partially it's been because step curry's been hurt but even before then they were looking garbage because when curry was on the court they're starting five really good as always But when Curry left the bench, zero playmaking, zero defense outside of Looney and Dremont, Jordan Poole was looking like a shell of what you'd want him to be. I think he's been better as of late.

You've covered a little bit looking more like Jordan Poole. But still wasn't taking a star step that some people were thinking he was going to be because of his playoff performance. Yeah. I don't know. Like you said, the West is so close and you don't ever want to see the Warriors veterans in the playoffs. So they have a puncher chance, I suppose. But I think we're all at this point. Yeah.

Andrew Wigs is healthy too now. as well. True. That was a big part of it. They were missing him. which was underrated in the conversation. Yeah, so maybe this is the time that we go ahead and see the turn for the Warriors and now that they finally got one of the biggest

elephants in the room about their how they perform on the road out of the way. They went two in a row. Whippy, they're still fucking trash, but still two in a row is better than 0 and 2 recently. So this could be the turning point. Yeah, hopefully.

The next few weeks are going to be big for them. Donovan, what is something you were wrong about? That I was wrong about. Oh, I just said it, that the wars, that the words would be an elite. Tell us another thing. Yeah. That is the, my three things that I was wrong about were the wars being elite, the kings being trash, and that Miami was closer to the top.

We've hit your whole list. Yeah. Mo, what were you wrong about? Oh, I was definitely wrong about the Boston Celtics. I think we covered it in one of our recent videos. I thought they were going to like be a six, seven seed and just go through this weird ass lump because of all the. That's so wild.

Why did you think that? that organized bro robert williams is hurt they have to go ahead and they're in one of the nastiest controversies in the NBA that we've seen in the last like six seven years and they bring on an assistant coach who not many of us knew about or knew too much about whatsoever and nobody knew about jomasulu we can say that yeah exactly so they're just like those are three major things that are going on within this organization and then on top of that there's extra like random-ass drama that drags other people into it as well that doesn't easily be discussed but because it's because i heard these type of things i don't know why i assumed that the nets will be better or

anything like that but seeing how they just like pick took the left the mark that they left off of and excelled in my mind they're performing much better than they were last season because individually jeline brown jason family got better margaret smart playing smarter basketball and one of their biggest key additions that I gloated about, but yet I, like, still, I underrated them like, shit. Malcolm Brogden, he's fucking fire. He might be the sixth man of the year. It's him and Westbrook that people are arguing about right now.

Roggey should win it. Russ is going to win it, and it's going to be a travesty because he's actively hurting his team, but, you know, he's going to win it. Yeah, you're right. 100%. The Celtics have been a pleasant surprise. I guess, like, I marked that's something I was right about because I think I had them as the one seed.

Yeah. and I said Joe Mazzula might win coach of the year because people are going to be surprised that they don't lose a step even amongst all the controversy I didn't know shit about Joe Mazzula I'm not going to pretend that I was like oh I thought he would raise their offensive efficiency

by two points because he'd implement more three points per 200 possessions I know all that but because he was on Yudoka's staff and part of that thing I just assumed that all the learnings I took from the second half of last year would just continue and they'd continue to do the same thing as a wild machine

it's basically what we've seen right Joe's done something differently Like I said, they have a higher three-point attempts And they didn't have Robert Williams So he had to improvise with Al Horford But they're the Celtics still, you know And he also put his game plan on Quizlet as well Who would have known now what happened?

That was funny That was good That was fucking hilarious, bro I'm sure there's so many other coaches We do the exact same shit But he just got exposed Yeah Donvin, what were you on the Souththex before the year?

I think I thought they were going to be Not as low as seven But probably closer to like four or five. I thought the controversy was going to get to them. I thought they were going to take a hit. And it was a combination of that.

And just how sustainable that turnaround was. Like, they became the best team in the league after January. Yeah, after January 1st, after January 2nd. I didn't know, you know, if that was just like an in-season thing, if that was just going to happen for last season. And maybe after an entire offseason, we come back and look at, We look at everything that this house he's doing. Maybe the defense takes a little step back.

Maybe the offense takes a little bit of a step back and, you know, everybody else kind of steps up. Because, again, I thought that the heat were going to be really good. I thought the Bucs were going to be really good. I thought that the Sixers were going to have a good regular season as well. So I thought Boston was going to still be, you know, fighting for home court advantage, but not one seed. So I'll take the L on that one. Okay. But, yeah.

I just, I thought mid for Boston. Yeah. I just understand why you would think that given the turmoil it wouldn't have been surprising if things fell apart for them I just had a little faith in them based on just come out of the finals, but it wasn't the worst prediction for y'all to make, I'll say that. Yeah, absolutely. One thing that I have to call you out on, Isaac, and this is something

that not only you, but I think it was probably me and you, and I think Donovan felt opposite. Something that we were terribly wrong about are the Minnesota Timberwolves. They were a good defensive team last year, and then all of a sudden they fought to fucking hell, and now they're just like in one of the nastiest situations in the

NBA currently. I'm glad you said this. This is similar to the heat for me. When that trade was made, I made a video on my channel where I was like, why the fuck did they do this? This is a horrible fit. This is not going to be a good team. As the off season went on, I was manipulated. I allowed myself to be convinced by everybody else.

Yeah, I like the NBA media gaslighted me into believing this would be a decent trade that it would work and it would solve cats' issues. So I was like, man, everybody's so sure. Maybe they're seeing something I'm not. I was like, I convinced myself it could be solid in the regular season and then bad in the playoffs. I never really believed it

But I gave him the four seed I was like Listen Rudy Gaubert teams Win games I lied and I was wrong Because I played myself I played myself That's funny

Rudy Gaubert led teams Rudy Gaubert He's overrated Okay let's not We're not rewrite history Let's not rewrite history It's not working there Because he's playing

A different scheme That doesn't work for him He hasn't fit with the team The chemistry is terrible He was still fantastic With the jazz even even when cat was out and they went back to and they went back to like you know regular rudy gobert style they didn't though they didn't though they don't they're not

running the same thing they're asking him to come out of his comfort zone a little bit they're not just running drop coverage or not he's having to come up on this higher level of the screen which you could say maybe he's showing a lack of versatility which sure but there's a playbook to make which is which has been which has been one of his downfalls for a majority of his career yeah and that's why he's not that's why he's not just rudy go bear he's not one of the the best defensive players ever he's just a really good defender that was great for his era he has his flaws and wait wait wait time time time time time time time do not don't do this don't do this for years for years you have defended rudy gobert let me finish i'm still defending him

let me fucking finish no no no no because you you did something very very slight and i know you i know you and this is what i'm going to say it you just said he's not he's not he's not he's not one of the best defensive players ever, when for years you have been calling Rudy Gaubert one of the best defensive players of all time. Yes, you have. You think I said he was a top five defender ever? No, let me tell you what I said. I said, let me finish.

He's not. If he was a first top defender, he would be honest, he'd be Anthony Davis, he'd be in his top five of Hakeem. I never once said he was a top five defender ever. You are, lost your mind. I said he's like maybe like the 18th, 20th. He's among the best defenders ever, which he still is. Absolutely. But he's closer to who

we're putting in this category. I don't know, it's a slight to Ben Wallace, whoever you think is in this 15 to 20 range, which is still, of all the players ever, damn high, right? Like, I'm still saying Rudy Gobert is among the best defenders ever. And I'm very frustrated right now. No, I'm not. I've never said, you're confusing, you're confusing it. I've said Draymond is a top five defender.

I'll stand by that. I never said, I said Rudy Gobert was. I said Rudy Gobert is like top 20. We agree on that. We don't have to talk about Dre. Yeah. You're confusing how it takes. I said Rudy Gober is a 20th defender of all time, which maybe I sound stupid saying that now.

Maybe that's wrong. But that's what they're. range always had him in yeah even if even if you want to say that rudy gobert is one is like 15 to 20 all-time defenders right yeah prime gobert i still think that's true you're you're talking about this guy who's one who's one defensive player of the year and when i say when i say overrated i'm saying you you talk about about draymont and draymond only have been one to two like defensive player of the years and rudy gobert being this multi defensive player of the year and and you know And he does this, and Rudy Gaubert-led teams, they win games.

Yet, you get him in the playoffs. His lack of versatility. What does the guy do with a defense player to your word? What does it do with anything? There was the one team and Ben and he was angry yet. He's two steps up. He's two steps up on offense outside of Ben Simmons. He's seven foot two.

He's the one. What does I do with a defensive player in the year? What does I got to do with anything? I'm saying over, now I'm going to overall, but you made the joke earlier about the Carmen Brown. Rudy Gobert, he's the center who doesn't have a post move recorded amendment. He don't have anything on offense. He's overrated on defense.

Minnesota thought that they were getting something generational when they were never getting that in the first place. And I don't want to hear anything about, oh, Rudy Gobert was supposed to come in and do all this. Everybody knew. The Timber was in the same situation, in my bad mode, as the Hawks, and they thought that they were getting something different. They thought that they were doing something revolutionary. They gave them way too much. It was ridiculous at the time. They thought that they were getting something revolutionary

and they weren't because they got this overrated big who's not versatile and they messed up their entire scheme and their entire building. I agree 100%. And that's what that's what it's trash. Even the best version of Gobert is not worth five first round picks. I'm talking about Rudy Gobert like he's all that. He's overrated.

It's so easy to say this now in the moment though. I've been saying this for years. I mean, he got ran off the court by Terrence Mann. Terrence man ran him off the court That's such a stupid argument I'm not getting back into this He's not getting around the court by Terrence man I'm not going to drop 39

Okay Because the game plan We should leave Terrence man And make him beating with shooting The coach said don't guard Terrence man That's not a Rudy Gaubert problem Because they can't do anything else Because Rudy's on the floor

Because he's there Because he's there Neither here nor there Either way By the attention Back to the Minnesota Timberwols whatsoever In general

Rudy's not the only issue Should he not get a defense player In the year Because he lost in the playoffs It's not a defensive Is this not a playoff award? The defensive player of the year. Is it a playoff award?

You were literally able to scheme the defensive player of the year out on defense. No, they didn't. That's such a simpleton way of understanding basketball. That's not true. You were able to scheme him out. You misunderstand why the Clippers won that series. It's that simple. That, stop.

You do not understand defense. Donovan, I just call you an nibatode, man. He can call you a nincom, basically, man. He can call me every word that he, that he, that he, He wants to. Rudy Gobert and his limitations. And the fact that you were able to take one of the five best players, five best defensive players in the game and literally say, like, we can, we can take whoever and just 2K this and play five out and get you off the floor and make you a non-impact on defense.

I think that, I think that's over. I think that that makes you overrated. You can do that to any big. If you're going to make him not stand in the room, of course you can't block shots. You can't do, you can't do that to just any big. you're telling me if they simply decide that joel and b can't stand by the rim that he's still going to be an impactful defender yes well that's just not true that's not joel joel and b can defend on the perimeter much better than rudy gober can't the problem against the clippers was not that jrude gober can't defend ruddy gober is a solid perimeter defender

he's not a good high pick and roll defender playing high on screens but he's not people will talk about him like he's fucking hasan white side that wasn't the issue the issue with the clippers why they lost is because In that game, they said, our plan is to not let them stretch us out. We're going to let Rudy Stain the paint and make Terrence Man beat us. Terrence Man just made a bunch of threes. That has nothing to do, Rudy Gaubert. The coaching decision was to not guard him, and he made his open shots. Please, please, next week, next week.

Let's all go home after this week. And let's watch the highlights of Rudy Gaubert doing freaking spin-arounds on the floor. And that's your problem. You don't know what. Because he doesn't know where anybody is and he's just, you can play freaking clown music or Rueholtz. Rudy Gobert in that series, and that's what it was. You're making me get into a Rudy Gobert defensive bag when this whole segment was

about me saying he sucks this year and that that was wrong about them. All I said, all I said was that he's over, I said that he was overrated. And I think that he's been overrated for years now. And those issues have piled over to Minnesota. And it's a major reason as to why they suck. Kat has also been hurt. Anthony Edwards. Anthony Edwards has also not, not taking.

the leap. DeAngelo Russell is very... He's very... DeAngelo Russell is very mid and you have all of... And you have all of those things put together. But I would like to... I can't believe I got caught arguing about Ruego Bear.

I don't even get a little bit of Ruego Bear. But I would like to focus on the person that they traded basically six first round picks for, right? And that's the major story when you're talking about what, like, why Minnesota has been the way that they are. Because he was the major change.

I don't disagree at all. gave him way too much. He was a bad fit. I don't disagree. The only thing I was saying was that we don't have to rewrite history as if he wasn't an extremely viable player on the jazz days when they were built around him and he was doing great things in the regular season. We just don't got to pretend that didn't happen, which is easy to do

when these narratives flip about players. That's all I'm saying. I agree. He's ass now. He's been, his bi-language has been shit. They have shit fit. He has not been trying hard enough. He's been bad. Man. Isaac, if you think you've been fighting for your life now, wait until 15, 20 years later and revisionist history really starts to kick in

you're going to hate Twitter your life is going to be hell and you're actually going to be a Rudy Gober fan I'm not going to argue about Rudy Gobert in 15 years I will argue to death about Draymond Green in 15 years they're going to call me a stupid old man for saying he was a great defender and great player he averaged six points

for game in the finals he was irrelevant and I'm going to be so mad that's the way it should be that's the way it should be away but to finally go ahead real greatness last Rudy Gober's greatness it would go away

to touch on base about the Minnesota Timberwolves. Like you guys were saying, they're just all around a lot of disappointment going on with this organization, and it starts with Rudy Gobert, and then it trickles down to what the fuck is going on with the Angel Russell.

County Towns has hurt. Anthony Edwards struggled early on in the season, and there's just a lot of random-ass question marks about, is this a good fit? This man stated in a random-ass interview. Like, oh, I never really played with the center who doesn't know how to shoot. And that just puts the Minnesota Timberlals

in an awkward-ass fucking angle, you know? And again, I want to touch on DeAngel Russell Because what the fuck, man? I thought you were going to be fully loaded this year. He's like 28 years old. When is that shit happening, bro? It's never happening. He's done.

You're 28 years old. I know who you are. In the next few weeks. In the next two weeks, I feel like Donovan, or not two weeks, I think the trade deadline's like nine or ten days away. So really soon, I feel like DeAngel Russell is going to get traded because this is last year. I hope so that would be interesting. Yeah.

That's the only way, like, you can free it yourself. up in the hell that they're in right now future-wise they're cooked man they're absolutely cooked yeah yeah I mean there's a few more teams we could talk about but we're already at an hour we should probably move to TikTok time oh ass that's all I want yeah Toronto suck let's just quickly talk about them real fast Toronto's been massively disappointing the clipper is in massively disappointing because I think like me nobody expected quiet Leonard to be out this long and still be unhealthy so that's been weird obviously Ben Simmons now though so we've talked enough about

Ben Simmons. We don't got to bully him anymore. He's been bad. The Blazers, I'll say I was right about. People got really high about them in the beginning of the season when they're the three seed. They were always going to be mid. I think we all agree on that. For sure. Absolutely. Hit it on the money, bro. Hit it on the money. They're back in reality now.

Also, also when Zons healthy, New Orleans is very, very good. I was wrong about New Orleans. I said they'd be like the six or seven seed. I was like, they'd be like the seventh seed. I was like, these pieces don't fit super well. It's not the playmaking. wrong as shit

Zion's just him CJ McCollum's been a solid pseudo point guard they just have a lot of talent it's just talent won for them yeah exactly almost a little bit too much talent but they're gonna adjust that

during the offseason can we go ahead and do TikTok time man let's start TikTok just text me when the fuck are the TikTok's happening bro he's getting crayons as you speak listen to this combo that's funny okay so this first one

go ahead and pull up your NBA team logos because you're gonna need it because you're gonna need to think we're gonna do a draft a way Listen, you guys know, this is what we do. We start off TikTok time with drafts. This time is going to be different, though. We're not going to be trying to draft the best teams possible.

I'll say that. We're going to draft the worst teams possible with current NBA players. Current NBA players, okay. Yep. The goal is to create the worst team you can. The middest team possible. Just draft absolute shit. Okay.

Oh, I got it. So let's draft the worst line. I can't even say this. Let's draft the worst line as possible with current NBA players. I got first pick, right? Yeah. Damn, I wanted to save my first pick for a different draft. We were playing nothing before this.

Now I've got to waste my first pick. Who is the worst player in the NBA? First pick, give me Kendrick Nunn as my starting point guard. Ooh, Kendrick Nunn? As a Lakers fan, Kendrick Nunn is worse than Satan. That's nice. I'm so glad I was a little too far. I'm definitely winning this with my first pick.

Give me the Nasus Antenacumpo. Oh, shit. I should have picked that. Star of my team. Star of my team. You know. That's hilarious. Let's go.

To go back to your pig, Donovan, real quick. You know Kendrick Nunna's ass when immediately the Washingtoners go ahead and trade for him. And the only highs that they can pull up of him is, from fucking preseason and they pull up just a couple of hives of dunking bro it's preseason are you kidding me so you got you got the nassus yeah i like that so in terms of the worst player in the fucking league damn i gotta be in the trenches for real to know this one bro this is so funny this is hilarious job worst player shits who's someone who's like who gets a meaned out like quite often hey man this is your picks you better

Yeah, these are my picks And I ain't do no goddamn research Because that's just not my thing All right Let me go ahead Someone who's been Just really getting on my nerves Give me Johnny Davis bro

Oh, I was gonna pick him next Any fucking average more Turnovers than assists This fucking in the G league He's disgusting He's terrible wizard roster Boo boo boo-boo man Johnny Davis

Johnny Davis is garbage Yeah, he was aspir. I thought he was going to be. I thought he was going to be what Benedict Matherin is right now. But he's terrible. He's feces, man. Fuck, it irritates me.

I thought he's going to be the next Devin Booker. Where number one had the similar release? You like mid-range shot. What the fuck is going on, man? You were out of your mind if you thought that. Yeah, man. That's good. Trenches.

Oh, David your turn. Oh, wait. Oh, it's my turn again, right? Yeah, you got up a lot. Give me PJ Tucker, too. He asked. Give me PJ Tucker. He's trash

He has a fire shoe collection And that's gonna add to our You know Overall team swag team drip But outside of that He ain't doing shit But cardio So give me PJ Tucker

I bet Okay I'm taking another six Give me Daniel house He hasn't done shit Daniel house is not good For his career End of the day

He got kicked out of the bubble He doesn't anything since That's nice I like that God Isaac's on you For my two guard Give me James booknight. He's been so

disappointing. Jay's booknight hasn't done shit. Hey, at least your team is protected, man, and never hungry, too. Got a Glock and Dorito with him at all the times. Holy shit. Jay's booknight hasn't done a thing. Yeah, he's been fucking terrible, bro.

Oh, is my pick again? Yeah. Who do I want next to these guys? You know what? For my power forward, give me Wancho Hernon Gomez. Bo?

She's a funny guy. Give me Bo. That's screwed. Okay, okay. All right, let's see. So I got, I got the Nassus at my three. The Nassus is crazy. I have the Nassus at my three.

Daniel House is two. Give me Frank Nilekena at my one. That's the definition of Fisi, man. Running the show. Yeah, this might be the first draft that you're good at, man. tell you to do something bad and you'll win it's crazy okay okay I see y'all alright so for my center

oh man give me Dwayne Dedman he is terrible I should I know who I should have picked man Dwayne Deadman is terrible yeah give me Dwayne Deadman I should have picked someone else god damn it but yeah give me Dwayne Dettman he's fucking ass bro shouldn't be playing anymore okay you're done all right

I'm laying out Wait, Moj you pick twice, Mo? Wait, did you? No, I picked it once this now. Okay, okay, okay, you're right. Pick twice? Yeah. Okay.

All right, so I got Dwayne Debman at my five, then I have PJ Tucker at the four, then I have Johnny Davis at my two. So I need a three, and I also need a one. So who have been like some of the fucking just worst point guards to watch in the NBA so far this season? Oh, man. there's not

there's not a lot of bad point guards in the NBA there's I think that's like the best position in the NBA because they're just just so well rounded Kendrick none I mean that is who's gonna pick Russell Westbrook who's gonna be brave

I can't do that he's gonna I can't do that I can't do that if I'm trying to lose you know what go ahead he's he's he's not as bad but give me Cameron Payne he's ugly as fuck I need him on my

Cameron Pays and solid. He's solid, but he's ugly, dude. I need him on my team. I just think of that ice age meme, bro. Him and getting to the hair can't the ice age me. I need him all the team. I just don't expect anything out of it, man. Yeah.

You're right. No NBA players is going to want to come on this show. We just calling people trash and ugly every week. Yeah. Yeah, you tried to say that it's not happening. We're not player friendly. But in that same vein, it's not my pick. And I'm ready to lose.

So give me Kevin Knox. The Knox is horrible I forgot he was in the league Yo he just won this draft for real Donovan you're in your bag I'm in my bag I'm in my bag Counterpoint

Give me DeAndre Jordan as my center Oh He should have been at the league years ago That's great Yeah that's nice And for my last position That's nice Give me for my small forward

Admiral Schofield Admiral Schofield Okay What team is he on He's on the magic Tell me one good thing what admiral okay okay listen we're going back to the washington wizards on this one damn for my five i feel so sorry for wizard the fans bro they get targeted i just won

i just won you two's crazy the nascent the nascent kevin knocks taj gibson there's not a nasty or front court ever no we're done i said i got it We never had a chance I got it I got it We never had a chance Oh my god All right

Who's your last pick Damn Yo I have to be deep in my back When it comes to looking for my last pick And there's not much that I can fucking do All right For my

I need a three So Damn I really can't do anything I really can't do anything to win this draft to try to succumb to this, bro.

All right. Oh, yeah. You're not winning. I won this. Yeah, you definitely won this. You definitely won this. For my last pick,

I need a four, I need a three. And so go ahead and give me, is his name Jaylon McDaniels? Jaden's brother. Jaden McDaniels, he's a solid.

So give me Jailam McDaniels. They're both solid. Give me Jailon McDaniels. They're both solid? Yeah. Your team's way too good. Really? You lost.

Your team's actually like Your team is the Houston Rockets I guess I'm not good at being ass Oh man, it's a fatal flaw That's hilarious Okay that's gonna be a classic draft Yeah, for sure Next thing we're gonna do

I'm gonna send you guys Some team names You guys are gonna have to guess the player Based on the teams they played for Okay So let me pull up this group chat I'll have it on the screen guys If I remember, if I don't remember

scream at me in the comments because I never remember so guess these NBA players based on the teams they played for here's number one alright who is this man Detroit L.A. Washington and Denver this is

that's KCP yeah okay that I guess that was too easy I got that super fast yeah yeah shout out KCP man fucking great player he's one of my favorite role players bro all right I don't know you don't have loved that much I do

man, he's from Georgia, so I got to. Next one. Philadelphia, Denver, Golden State, Miami, and now he's... Oh, that's Andre Igwood Dollar. Yeah. Wow, yeah. Give me Igual. Yulgin, he's quick.

Yeah. Okay, let's get you a little harder one. Let's do it. Hopefully... I got this. This is Donners in his bag. Who is this man? Toronto.

That's Taryn trust. Bro, Donovan isn't this bad. Dude, he's automatic. You can't, yeah. You can't play with these games, man. I was about to say, he must be a big African dude, bro. I was about to say some wild shit.

Please don't. Please don't. Man. Who is this, man? L.A., Milwaukee. This is Sergei Baca. Okay. Yeah, Sergei Baca.

There you go. Yeah. Sergei Baca. Y'all say some other stuff. It was a TikTok. Y'all just saying the names. Wait. Is this Sergei?

Surge was in Orlando, too. So you got that wrong. Damn, I'm in my bag right now. Oof, forever Orlando. I didn't even see him. Oh, shit. See, that's why I got it. That's why I got it wrong.

That's why I didn't get it. It wasn't accurate. What about this guy? The first one is going to say L-A-L. It's the Lakers. Lakers, Pelicans, and now he's a Nick. You should know this one. This one isn't that hard.

I should. I said. Lakers, Pelicans. Nick started there Oh, that's Oh, Julie's Randall No, Mo got it first I don't know why that was

Mo beat you there by half a second That's the lag I really got it first I really said it before The internet's just slow Who was this guy? All right Memphis Houston

Oh, that's Kyle Lowry Damn That's Kyle Lauer Did you even read What was on the screen Or you just throwing shit on the wall You did that throwing shit on the wall Donvin just murdered this game

I don't even think of a post is It was too easy. Yeah, listen, we can't play these tough in guessing games. I guess we're two elites. I got to pull us in deep cuts. Yeah. All right.

Next thing we got... Let's get a little more in our analysis bag. Let's get serious. Okay. Damn. I'm going to name two NBA teams. You let me know which one you think

is most likely to make the finals. All right, that's a little too long of a hook. Which NBA team do you think is more likely to make the finals? First up, 76ers or Nets? Give me the 76ers. They've been on a tear, and they have found some consistency this NBA season. And with the Nets, they're just unpredictable. This time, health is fucking them over.

Earlier in the season, Carrie, everyone was fucking them over. When Katie is healthy, they were looking good. True, true. But surprisingly, I think I'm taking the Sixers on this one. I think we're getting the, I think we're getting the NBA playoff run this year. I think we're finally going to get it I think if he can stay healthy We're getting

We're getting like 37 and 12 every night Man This comes down to James Hardin right Like is he going to melt down Maybe because you haven't been It's okay if he melts down You know you guys a little more of a buffer with him And you have Maxie

If I guess Maxi off the bench is a huge difference That's what I'm saying I guess if you don't need Hardin to take shots If you don't yeah If you don't need Hardin to take shots And he doesn't take the shots then you're okay.

So I think I might take Philly on this one. Okay. You say they're not as reliant on him anymore. I see that. Yeah. Right. The grizzlies or the calves? I think I'm going to take the grizzles on this one.

I think I'm going to take the grizzlies. I think the West is a little bit more wide open. Yeah. They have an easier path. Yeah. They don't have a real juggernaut to go through like the calves do with the Celtics. Like sure the nuggets are great, but like they're probably more beatable. Yeah, and the Memphis Grizzers are one of the very few rosters in the NBA that have, like, no kings, and they match up very well against every single team in their conference.

Yeah. And there's not a player that I worry about Jurassic other than, like, Dylan Brooks and his fucking four-for-19. Yeah, my lose his fucking mind. The side is Dylan Brooks time halfway through a playoff game? Yeah. Other than D. Brooks, they solid. I definitely. Listen, I'm going to go Cavs.

I'm taking Donovan Mitchell on the playoff series over a lot of players and give him the arguably the best defensive front court in the league. I think this team has really high potential against most matchups. Listen, I don't know. Listen, you have John Morant with Jared Jackson, Jr. Yeah, he is a defensive player of the year. The two C for the reason. Yeah, that's tough. Yeah, I'll take the Grizzlies.

But it's just some people forget about playoff Donovan Mitchell. This man turns up every time besides last year. Vives was off last year. Brees are off. Blame Gaubert. Always. Okay. Mavs or Pelicans? I'll take the Pelicans.

Yeah, give me the Pelicans. Luke was just in the Western Conference Finals, though. Yeah, they literally just came from the Western Conference Fathers, but they had Jalen Brunson on their team. True. Unserious. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I'm taking the Pelicans.

I see a world where the Pelicans might be a little bit easier to scheme against in the playoff series against a really smart defense. But most teams, it would be kind of. hard because they have so many creators so I guess because Luca has no help you got to go pelicans yeah exactly his no help is outlandish compared to

what it was last season brunson makes a difference yeah brunson was a huge difference so I'm definitely taking the pose there's just so many options in that on that roster definitely pelicans okay

Celtics or nuggets ooh You know, Jokic has help now. Last time we saw him, I'm helping him in the conference finals. I'm taking the nuggets. Because, and I'm still sticking to it, I think the bucks are winning the title this year. And so I think Boston would have to go through Milwaukee.

I think that's going to be extremely tough. Denver, Denver, like we said earlier, number one offense in the league. Everybody, their defense is starting to, like, click there. Like, they have moments. Jamal Murray is back. Yokich is Yokich. Wide open west.

I think that the Nuggets have a better chance. Yeah, the best argument is because the conference is weaker. But, like, the Celtics are insane, man. They're so good. Yeah, I almost want to say the Celtics, but the Nuggets just feels so, there's no answer for them in my mind. There's no answer for Yokic.

This is a season of Yokic. Finally has some help. So I got the Nuggets. Okay, I'm rocking with you. I'll say Nuggets, too, just because the conference is wide open, but I think the Celtics are the better team. Okay, fair, fair. Can't get on that.

Next one. The Oklahoma City Thunder Or the Atlanta Hawks We just beat the Hawks I mean we just beat the OKC Thunder So I'm taking the Hawks We beat him Didn't ask

Don't say The Zonte Murray swatted the shit out At Shaky Los Angeles Alexander Did you don't not see that? You fell the shit out of Shakeda Los Angeles Alexander I'll say the Atlanta Hawks Just because they have They have a little bit of playoffs

Actually no They're not going to make the playoffs Give me the Thunder What the heck What the hell? Give me the thunders. Give me Shay. You just let your intrusive thoughts.

You thought, you just give me J-Dubb. You thought to win you over, Donovan. Today on this podcast, never, never. Oh, man. Oh, man. You just let your intrusive thoughts takeover on that one. Hawks are better.

Sorry. I have more pieces. I let common sense win. We trust J-Dub over here. Yeah, okay. I love me some J-Dub, but let's be fucking for real. Okay. Okay, last one.

Warriors or Lakers? All right, come on now. I mean, come on now. I feel like I said that a little bit too quick. No, you said it too slow. You said it too slow. The Warriors easily have a better chance to make the finals. Let me change this.

The Warriors are better now. And I wrote this, they were faltering. They were still ass. The changes. The Lakers or the Timberwolves? Oh, the Lakers. The Lakers. Ain't nobody trust the Timberwolves.

The Lakers are five games under 500, man. Yeah, who cares? It's the Timberwolves. I'm Gavin. I'm so Gavin. You did not move me with that at all. It'll be 10 games. I'm still taking LeBron and AD over Rudy Gobert.

Facts. You think cat coming back is going to sway me? Fucking cat. Yeah, nah. They're scared of that, man. They don't move. They don't meet me at all. Don't get me wrong.

The Lakers suck. But it's the Timberwolves. Yeah, I'm going to son this trash. It's abysmal over there, bro It's a nuclear warfare over there Shout out Anthony Edwards, but he's not a superhero Yeah Man

What's next? Nice thing we're going to do Let's redraft the 2016 NBA draft Let me pull up this draft Yeah, let's type this in 2016 NBA draft Yeah, I know I have bad memory When it comes to these drafts

But apparently you have a good memory When it comes to every fucking team Every player's played for once they've been in the league for seven years it's great in his mind 2016 what's they've been around the block 2016

that was seven years ago low key oh lot of people's best year in the life oh we're getting old Isaac when do you turn 24 March damn damn

It was so unnecessary. Sorry, I was right. Oh my God, that was funny. Okay, y'all ready for this? All right, for my six, man. Give me Drew Eubanks on my team. The draft of Drew Eubanks.

It's crazy. I'm going to keep going. Let's redraft the 2016 NBA draft. First pick. So first pick, are you going Jalen Brown or Pascal Ciacom? I'm going to pass. See, we've, we've had, last time he picked Jalen Brown. Did I?

It's tough. They're nice. They're close. It's tough. It's so interchangeable. It is. Wait, wait, wouldn't I pick Jalen over Pascal? Uh, I think you picked him when it comes to who would you rather build your team around or something like that?

That was some. You were, we all ranks Pascal higher than Jalen Brown in the league right now. Yeah. I think so. Yeah. So, I think I would take, I think I would take Pascal. It's tough. If it's in a draft.

Actually, no. If we're talking about a draft, like redrafting, I think, I think Jay, well. Well, I mean, which player we'd rather have, right? Because it's just like, you're basically ranking the players. This is tough. Give me Pascal. Yeah. It feels wrong to not pick Jalen, but I'm not going to be a coward about it.

Give me Pascal. I just feel like Pascal is so much more certain. So give me Pascal. It's tough, though. Yeah. So obviously, Jaylon's number two. I don't even got to talk about it. it kind of feels wrong he's not number one but so be it number three do we go

brandon ingram or de montes sabonis give me ingram over subonis give me ingram over subon i'll take give me give me subonis in theory in theory ingram's better than subonis but subonus is going to be an all-star again i have not you let him injured ingram like derail just how good he was the last time he was healthy he wasn't that good last year he wasn't i mean he wasn't better than simonis this year he did it for a stretch i haven't seen him do it an entire season. I think y'all are chirping, man. I don't know.

I don't know. It's tough. I'll go Ingram. I'll go Ingram. I think it's a lot easier to build around a player like Ingram rather than a center who doesn't Yeah, that's why. Playing elite defense. Exactly.

And also isn't like a top five offensive player. Yeah, I'll go benefit for the doubt and give it to Ingram. Best case scenario, he fits into a winning team easier. Ciponis is close. He's right number two. I don't even want to look at the rest of the draft. He's number two. Easy.

I mean, so Sabonis is. number four. I mean, he's after that. Yeah, four. Okay, so it puts the bonus of four. Donovan's mad. He's not at three. I am. Okay, so the bonus is four. Next up, Jamal Marie is an option. Yacopoldo's an option. Jamal Murray. Dejante Murray. Oh, Dejante Murray.

So next up, we pick Jamal Murray or Dejante Murray? Jamal. Over Dejante? Yes. Yes. Why is that easy for you? Yes. I get. I think Dejante Murray DeJante Murray is big stats, bad team for a majority of his career. I understand his defense has been really good.

They both have like an injury. Before Jamal got hurt, Jamal was playing at an exceptional level. Yeah, they're saying that man was better than Tray Young. And we've seen Jamal Murray turn up in a playoff series and go bucket for bucket with Donovan Mitchell. Like we've seen Jamal Murray play at a very, very high level when it matters. the most. I like Jamal I can be mad at that. We can do Jamal.

Okay, I got out voted. Jamal it is. So, then at six, we're going to go Dejante Murray? Yes. For sure. Okay. Seven. Buddy healed, Yakopodal. Is Zubak in this draft? Yeah, the Zubak. Oh, yeah, he is. He is. He is. Oh, there's Malcolm Brogden, too.

Brogden? I think at seven, we should go... He was the rookie of the year, too. That's crazy. I think we should go Yacopoto at 7 He slowed down this year Because the team is ass But he was really good last year I'd rather have Malcolm on my team You'd rather have Malcolm than Yacopo

Yacopo's a really good defender There's Yacopoto Buddy Healded Malcolm Brogden Yacopoto's the best player there He's again he's had a slow year Because the team is ass But last year when he had a competent point guard He was legitimately really good

I'd rather have Malcolm Broughton I'd rather have a good guard Than a good center He's so much better than a month I'd rather have Buddy Heald than Malcolm Brogden. I don't have Yacupo other than both of them. Buddy Heald is one of the greatest three-point shooters in NBA history, which sounds crazy to say every time, but it's just facts.

Donovan, where are we going? Yeah, it sounds like we have to lean towards a guard because you're out. We'll take, we'll take, we'll take Yacup here. Let's go. Yacobut 7. It's kind of crazy to me. It's not crazy at all. You're tripping.

Defense matters. so at eight oh bro we forgot ben simmons no we didn't did it did we are you all taking yacopoto over ben simmons

yes yeah i didn't i didn't forget ben simmons you forgot about ben simmons okay okay okay so next up is ben simmons at eight nah give me buddy hill no buddy hill for ben yeah for sure

he's averaging six points a game the fuck he'll be better eventually okay so buddy healed at eight nine, are we going Ben Simmons or are we going Balcom Brogden? Brogden.

Come on. No, come on. Ben Simmons. Brogden was the rookie of the year. Ben Simmons was the rookie of the year. Ben Simmons be getting double singles. Yeah. Ben Simmons is going to be better.

Eventually, I hope. I hope. Give me Denzel Valentine, man. Yeah, I was about to say, give me Denzel Valentine, Marquise, Chris. Give me fucking Henry Ellison. Give me Caris Lebert.

Dianj Brembre, bro. Oh, my God. Okay, so if Roggins 9, can Ben Simmons at least be 10? Sure. All right. Well, actually, no. Actually, no, give me Zubach. Oh, my God.

What about Malik Beasley and Kerossovert? Like, who's number 10? I'll be 10. Ben Simmons is 10. I'm trying to go to this track. Okay. 10. No, give me Zubat.

Dude, do you get, I need George's Neyang before Ben Simmons. my gosh that's funny these are some names on this list do y'allelabissiere yeah scowl was supposed to be fucking him bro that gal's hilarious thought that man was a d wow scalabissier okay so next up let's do one last thing let's do these haircuts you were talking about well cool send these pictures how you want to oh these are very terrible so to say which Which NBA haircut do you think is better? Yeah. Oh, God.

Yeah. God damn. All right. All right. You already? Yep. I guess. So which NBA haircut is better?

Let me read you that one more time. All right. Which NBA haircut is better? Say do y'all think is better? Which NBA haircut do you all think is better? Yeah. If you want to ask people so they get that subconscious thing or they want to answer and comment. Yeah, they want to join too.

Yeah. Yeah. Hit us with it. Which ones are we talking? All right. So first we got Kevin Durant, the Taco Meat Classic versus Jimmy Butler's extensions. Which one you talk. And he shaved his beard too, which makes this picture more crazy.

Yeah, he looks crazy with no beard. Yeah, bro. Oh, my gosh. Give me Jimmy Butler's locks. Listen, they look crazy because he just got him out of nowhere. He's rocking him better than Kevin Durant's rocking whatever the fuck that is. you y'all know how i feel about man extensions i don't know if this is a respectable feat but

give me the man weave golly that's terrible i guess i say give me the man weave i'm sorry but i can't do whoopee goldberg bro i can't do it sorry i can't do the whoopee give me give me the taco meat because i can wear a hat comfortably and yo you know i'm screwed if i'm screwed i'm screwed so what crazy this was tough I was next I can't do the

bro Jimmy's such a troll for this that's hilarious he did this for one day the one day that took pictures all right next up we got Chris Middleton versus Carlos Boozer oh my gosh

damn Chris Middleton needs to give it up cut that shit off so much worse is that Chris Middleton has the worst head shape in the NBA But look at Jonathan, Donovan can't breathe.

Like, this shit is extended, bro. He has an extend-o to him. This is so nasty. Looks like a boost, bro. It's crazy. On the other end. It's crazy because you know Chris Middleton asked for the spray, and he legit asked for that to spray in the middle of his head.

That's crazy. Bro, he looks like a mighty bean. Oh, my God. It's tough. And on the other hand, Are we going to pick Carlos Boozer spray? paint hair? He looks like a bowling ball, bro. Polished.

He looks like an anvil. Yeah. Look like I can forge a blade on his head. Yeah. He looks terrible. This man, Carlos Boozer is deep in Dominican Republic culture. Give you Carlos Boozer. Chris Nelson needs to give it up. I guess I'll say Carlos Boozer.

Wow. Man. Just because it's fucking hilarious. Yeah. Chris is cursed. Give me Carlos. Bro, as a sharpy head. All right. So would you rather have LeBron or Dennis Schroeder? LeBron. LeBron.

LeBron's just balding, man. LeBron's just a man of age. It sucks, but so be it. Dennis Schroeder, this is a crime against humanity. Whoever cut this man's hair needs to be locked up, 25 to life. Guantanamo Bay, waterboarded, all of it. Yo, whoever took this picture on Getty and posted this, you did Denetro. So dirty.

Arrest this photographer. Like, he's spot to come in and steal all my fucking. Christmas presents bro this is terrifying he looks terrible he said he's a gremlin yeah like we've seen Dennis Schroeder this picture

Dennis Soto from all different types of angles but this one right here face on oh my god yeah give me LeBron this this is for like Dennis the Menace type stuff

this is nasty this is literally Dennis the menace this is nasty yeah I'll take LeBron yeah yeah man that's hilarious you know what else that is

it's the end of the show that's a great tradition that was good if you're still here comment arrest his barber I want to see arrest his barber

in the comment section so nice yeah I ain't a lie this is a good podcast see y'all boys see ya