The Deep 3 Podcast - Every NBA Playoff Team's Most Disappointing Player | Ep. 211

Episode Date: May 7, 2026

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Isn't it crazy that we're here today to react to the first few games of the second round, the NBA playoffs, talking about the teams that made it out of the first round, kind of like the main characters of the league, teams that probably are going to define this season, at least two of them. And we're not talking about the Boston Celtics. We're not talking about Beesol's team. And he's got to sit there quiet for like an hour because there's no Celtics talk for him to glaze over. Good. I was done hearing them yet anyways. Yeah. And I want to jump on YouTube, but you know I can't talk.

I don't even got to talk about no hawks talk. We don't expect that in the second round of the playoffs. Yeah, of course, it's fucking hilarious. We've got to see that shit. Hey, I will say this. Gotta give credit when credit is due. The three and one joke was fire. Oh, yeah.

I almost forgot I made that joke. Damn. It's strictly. It was off a dome. It's just light to me. I deal it every week. Yeah, right. But like I said, we're here.

To talk about the beginning of the second round, talk about all the things have happened in the first two games for some series. It's Thursday morning. So some series have only played one game. that being Pissons versus Cavs and Lakers versus Thunder. So we react to that first game, talk about game two what's happening tonight. And we're going to do it by telling you guys

who we think is the most disappointing player for every single playoff team. We'll pick the player for each of the series that we think is disappointing. And afterwards we go through all four series, we'll talk about the teams that are already eliminated and which player disappointed us a little bit before they got eliminated.

Hell you. Okay, let's do it. Q the intro music. We're throwing it back. Whoa. That's crazy. He was bragging. I'll eat his shit.

The cranium is crazy. Oh my God. Crown eaters rejoice. Okay, let's get the part of the show out of the way first where Donovan gets to be happy. Let's talk about the Knicks versus 76ers series. Thus far, Knicks up to zero. After the first game came, they gave premium belt to the 76ers, who looked very much like they were coming off of a hard-fought 3-1 comeback.

7, 48 hours prior, came out and just got destroyed in every single way. Offensive Masterclass by the Nixon game one. Game two, Joellen B misses the game. As expected, we did our preview, and we said, if things were equal and we could imagine Joel and B's there, it'll be a long series, but we cannot imagine Joel and B being there the whole time, so we're going to go Nix in a long series regardless, right? He misses game two. Closer game without him.

Nicks put out in the end with some good execution at the end of the game. What did you learn about your team in those two games? One, also, Mitch didn't play last night. Mitch was sick, too. So just need, just, you know, just have to let them. Who cares? Who cares? It's actually a very big deal.

No, it is. Yeah. And the biggest deal is, it is, it is, it is, it is, it is, it is 958 right now. I still have no idea if O.J. And Ninobe has a hamstring injury right now. That's in the air. And that's the, that's the biggest thing that I am, that I'm worried about, that I'm concerned about because we're going to get by about sixers.

I feel if OG, one, if OG's there, I think we, we can still beat the sixers if he's not there, but just looking, looking forward to the rest of the playoffs, the rest of the series, obviously, if OG is hurt, I'm devastated because he is hooping at the highest level that he has ever, that he has ever hooped at. His three-point shooting is fantastic. His defense is amazing. His offensive creation is as good as it's ever been. And when Kat, especially if MB comes back in the series, Kat being unable to stay out of foul trouble and him, getting three fouls immediately. You need somebody to be able to guard up and play bigs.

And regardless of who the big is, if it's Kat, if it's Mitch, if it's Huck Porty, if it's Jeremy Sohan, like all of these guys, none of these guys are going to be able to stay on the floor legitimately and either not foul or defend well. Oji is the only one who can do that to that level. He is very critical. And that's the biggest thing I'm worrying about. They were on Twitter and they were saying, hook 40. doesn't have the basketball IQ to jump at a Joel and B pump fake.

So he might be the Embedstaffir. Brother, he didn't even play seven minutes last night. And he damn near filed out. He had like four files, bro. He feels crazy. Yeah,

he had four files and seven minutes. Yeah, Mike Brin is talking about what's the fastest anybody's ever filed out in the game? Because he just could not keep his hands to himself. That's a hilarious tweet. It's crazy because, like, you know when young players get drafted and they're like,

oh, it's so great. Like, he can learn from this great player. And then everyone obviously like immediately, thinks, oh, they're just going to take whatever skill this great player has and add it to their game, he's learning fouling from cash. That is so frustrating that none of these bays can stay out of foul trouble, whether Embed is there or not.

O.G. I know he has been fucking revelation. He's been so amazing. In that first game, I guess we can talk about both games a little bit for this team. Offensive Masterclass, like I said, the sheer amount of size and mismatches that they could cause with OG playing the way he's playing on ball, finishing over those guards, finishing over their forwards being too much to handle down low and the way Cat completely won that match up with Joel and B in the first game. When we talked about the preview of this episode on, I mean, the series on Monday's episode, we talked about the fact that we know Joel and B will get Kat into foul trouble. And we know Kat is an undisciplined defender. How Kat holds up on that end will

define the series. And on the other side, Kat is incredible at attacking slow-footed bigs off the dribble. That's his greatest skill is stretching you out with a spacing threat and attacking off the dribble, attacking the closeouts. That's what makes him good at his best. Joeline B's the slowest-footed center in the playoffs right now with how he's currently playing at his physical level. Cat won that easily, offensively, by attacking him over and over again with that speed, with that spacing. That combination of Kat being such a threat at the five and given that spacing and OG being able to attack a smaller defender, you can't stop them at that rate. With those two things going at the same time, as Dylan Brunson being amazing, it's an unstoppable offense. Yeah, OG's just so special.

He covers, he covers up so much that this Knicks team needs. He's so big. He's probably this outside of LeBron. Maybe he's the strongest at his position. And then at that, too, he's one of the best rebounders on this team. He's the best defender on this team. He gets the most minutes overall on his team. But he's like the value that Ogenre Novi provides, I can't really put into words. So if there is a situation where he is like not the same, that damn near really takes

all hopes for me because he covers up things that McCauberger should be providing. He covers up things that you would expect, Josh Hart, to be. better at, you know? And I think you guys still will probably win this series, but as time goes on, depending on what happens to Duel and B, it'll get muddier. Yeah. And even McCaul Bridges is playing incredibly well in the series. Every Nick is incredibly efficient right now, which happens whenever you blow the shit out of a team in the game one. So we'll see all the numbers progress over the course of the series. Yeah. Everybody's clicking right now, though. The number one thing that's on the Nick side right now, too, that a lot of teams in the, well, in this specific

match that the Sixers fucking just desperately lose that is that the Knicks have depth and they have guys that they like solidly rely on in Jordan Clarkson and the Holesi Alvarado and that's just something that the Sixers can't say at all. I don't know last night they relied on some depth last night their game was close because they had Dominic Barlow small ball five minutes in the second half that that switchable look was giving the Knicks some trouble like at the end the Knicks kind of out-execute them the last two minutes had two big threes to blow it open but in a six-point lead they couldn't come back from. Mostly because of 70-6ers' offense went completely dead.

Tyrese Maxie and Paul George just missed shot after shot. Dude, Tyrese-Mexe played like the whole entire second half. And you could tell. 46 minutes. And you could tell. They were dead tired. Paul George was having difficult off-striple-shot creation burden on him for the entire game. Those last few minutes, they really just flamed out.

But Dominic Barlick is interesting looks with those small ball five switchable units. The switches, the doubles, all the pressure that they were putting on the next. it did feel for a moment I was like it's this gonna be one of those stupid games where you just have two turnovers and there's like there was multiple plays at half court where you're doubling

Brunson you get the ball out of his hands the ball starts going everywhere and it was like a sequence where it was a loose ball Knicks go ahead they take a timeout then we come back we do it again it's a turnover six just take a timeout because everybody's fighting for the ball on the floor there definitely is something

there and it's something that's needed because Bona can't like as athletic as he is he was getting fried by cat all night. Yeah, he couldn't decide whether or not he wanted to to play up or play back and he was getting beat with any decision that he was making. So them having something else that you can go towards was good. But also Paul George at the start of this game, really this entire playoffs, but these first two games, Paul George has been outstanding. And he's at the point where now whenever he puts up a shot, I think,

think he's going in. He's been he's been awesome. We were jokingly talking before the series like Paul George versus OG who's the best 3D player in the league right now. Paul George is not playing a three and D player. He's back to having to create a lot and playing like a star creator. And it's just fun to see him actually have that still in his bag post suspension. Yeah. So I that's a suspension loki did him wonders man. Saved his goddamn legs. Not loki. Not loki. That should save his season 100%. Yeah, man. He was in there doing Pilates, cold plunges, sauna for two and a half months over there however long it was I can't remember how 25 games is yeah it was a vacation to get his body right so now expensive one but a vacation

to get his body yeah it works yeah he'll be all right I think the it's a lot of money 25 games he'll be I mean he will but yeah it's a lot of money what is that 25 million dollars damn yeah where is this game check let's pocket watch for a second man that's probably he doesn't make 82 million dollars so that's probably like 17 million dollars or 15 million dollars no way he lost i don't know much money for 25 games a game check probably right yeah i don't there's a little under one third of the season and what was his salary now so he's making he's making 54 a year okay so so so 52 million 25 divided about 82 apparently it's roughly 645k a game damn so i don't know how many games he was suspended for 25 so 600 4500

You need that, Matthew Bues soles? I need to calculate. I can't do this right now. All right, you know what? There's no Pilates class that's worth $16 million. It's $16? Yeah, it's $16.

Damn. Very expensive. Pilates trip. However, it worked. I think to get hit, to get his rope. Also, it is. $16 million. He'll be right, though.

That would have been potting the whole time, at least. He wasn't potting He wasn't right on It's crazy Damn Jeremy Green would have been potting He's he's doing He's season ended

He's on ESPN immediately Understands got to get in when you can Paul George didn't take advantage that window Yeah Also I have no I don't know if Embeded is going to play in game three I don't know if Embed knows When Bees going to play in game three

Yeah nobody nobody knows that I kind of think Basically every other tweet that I see On my timeline Is a different Knicks fan Breaking down the video trying to see if it's like if it's either a hamstring injury which obviously took him out of the 24 playoffs or if he if he got a thigh contusion because they're saying some people were saying that

his quad like bumped into Tyrese maxi's knee and that could be it it it didn't like look as bad when I looked at it because as soon as he got hurt he was still able to to go back and attempt to dunk on the same play and still and still fan out he walked out under his own power so hopefully at this point, the fact that it is no news is like he's day to day and it is a thigh contusion. But if it is a hamstring injury, that is, that

really does change the series because if Embed comes back and you know Kat's going to be gone for half the first quarter, he's going to have 3,000 in the first half. Now you have this next team that is going to be like is going to be super, super small. You're not really going to have a big out there.

And that is the exact situation that for the Sixers, is going to allow you to get back into the series. Yeah. It's kind of tough to have the very nuanced of pains about the series other than the fact that the Knicks are just proven to be the more deep, well-rounded team through the first two games. They did what they need to do, protect home court,

one in the way that they need to win, right? Whether offense has enough mismatches that you can't stay in front of them because you can't shut down the actions that involve Carleton Towns and Jalen Brunson. Very few teams have a big that's going to have the foot speed to stop Kat while also having a guard that's going to be able to stop Jalen Brunson in any meaningful way. You need to have Dyson Daniels plus Wemby, or not Wemby.

That's doing a whole lot for cat. But a fast-footed big. You need to have BAM and Dyson. Not many teams have that combination. And if you're not going to have that, you need to be clicking on offense. And in the first game with Dwell and B when he was there, presumably you'd think that'd be when they're at their best offensively. They weren't clicking at all because I think it's fair to say they had to come back

from a pretty tiresome game. In Game 7, didn't have their legs under them. They didn't play their starters in the fourth quarter because they just punted it and knew they needed the extra rest. they started the game just with a bunch of Joellen B, mid-post touches, a bunch of jumpers that didn't get the offense in the offense, just not the best showing overall to imagine the best case scenario for the Sixers' offense.

Kind of nothing to point to other than the fact that the Sixers just have to play better offense. Yeah, man, like the Sixers at this point, I don't even, I don't know if there's much they can do to really punch back other than like try to manage Tyrese Maxie better. Like he has words in his game. And for the entirety of his like Sixers tenure, I feel like people have been pointing towards him.

and wanting him to be this one aim. Maybe he's not that, but really what I think it is that he legitimately needs another playmaker alongside him to help alleviate certain struggles. Yeah, they need Joelle and Bede there. Exactly. They need to get the best-case version of the guy in the final three games of the Celtics when we said, okay, you just showed us an amazing version of Joel and Bede as a post-physical prime, smart ball handler that can make these wreaths throwing these dunkers-spot cuts to Kelly Ubrey,

attacking mismatches when necessary, not doing too much because he can't play through him with the highest usage, but at the right times, giving you instant buckets against mismatches like Vucevic, when we said this is going to be a long series, it's off the idea that they get that version of him. So one, he has to be on the court. Two, they just need to have a much better showing. Yeah. And I think, I think for right now, the maxi in this series has been the most disappointed, just because he hasn't, he hasn't been able to give you star production. He's shooting 11% from three through two games. And that's kind of where it starts to stop with him. Like, those difficult three-point shots are vital against his team.

Yeah. So if Maxie isn't going to do that, then the Sixers have no chance, especially without Embed. So at this point, again, we're just waiting for two shamst tweets. We're waiting for the one telling us if Embedit is going to play in game three. We're waiting for the other one to let us know what's up with OG. Yeah. But as far, Knicks are taking care of business. Again, it's a long series. Not going to declare anything yet. You just saw the Sixers come back in three one. Not going to write them off by any means. It is two games and the home team won. So nothing crazy, right? But if you're a Knicks fan, you have to be feeling extremely confident. This is your year to make the finals. It should be. How are you feeling right now, man? I feel, I feel good. I feel solid. If everybody's, again, if everybody's healthy, I kind of, I feel good.

Detroit, again, they're mean. They're super physical. And the way that they played us in the regular season, I am a little bit nervous of a situation when they just come in and just beat, beat the whole team up. But the way that the defense has started to click over the last couple of games is giving me a lot of confidence. So we should make the finals. I do think that we would still be the favorites in that series and I would pick us. But I'd, yeah, I don't know.

I'm probably seven out of ten right now confidence. Yeah, I feel pretty confident. It should be. You never know what happens, but it should be. With OG playing this well as a scorer. And from the last two games of the Hawks series on, Mikhail playing so. well again offensively. If both those guys are clicking like this,

I don't forget to Troy, bring me O'KC. All right, slow down. Let me get San Antonio in the finals. That's my, that's my dream scenario. Is we play San Antonio in the finals? I'm feeling a nice,

respectable six game, OKC finals went over the Knicks. So respectable. Two good wins. I wanted to say five, but I respect Bruns in too much. You get six. Two good wins.

You can get six. Five. can get two, I can get two more. All right. I can get two more. Bees-so many, man. Yes. Does this feel good?

Oh, my, my, oh, no. Hell no. Does it feel good to see your ops down? Uh, no. In this heavy six years? This is, this is horrible. I thought you were on our side. But both of y'all are like succeeding in your own ways.

Who do you want to see when this? The team that beat you last year? The team that beat you this year? Um. Who has more smoke? I've, I've been rooting for the Knicks more than Philly. I'm not going to lie. There's just too much history with the Philly Sixers rivalry.

They just got you out of there. Yeah. So, yeah, I'm rooting for the Knicks, though, but I'm feeling good about it. It is what it is, though. I really do want to see New York in the finals specifically. Yeah. So too much aura in that finals match. Yeah, it's 100% the best, like, for the league, the best narrative of the Knicks to get there.

Yeah, yeah. I'm rooting for the betterment of the league. With it being so wide open? I'm ready for the association, actually. I'm a basketball fan I think we all need to care about the health of the province What was I going to say?

Oh yeah so basically if the Knicks don't make the finals It's a great disappointment of the year And everybody should be traded Because it's so wide open, right? It is a big disappointment I would be sad I would be disappointed if they don't make the finals Pistons versus Knicks

If it does go the way, it will be cinema I'm excited for that next round If we do see the series go as they seem to be trending Yeah elite match of both physical ass teams went against each other in the first round last year and then the next one in what six or five six six games yeah

I need that who's the most disappointing next player it's hard to be disappointing nobody right now it was Macau Bridges by a landslide for the first three games of the Hawk series yeah but now he bounced back over the last three games that he's played you know no it's Huck-40 man you can't be nothing it literally

has to be everybody else is firing like I what are we gonna say Jalen Brunson like Are you satisfied with a Comey Doughtier's minutes? Are you satisfied about Josh Hart for a few? Yes. Okay. And he's doing what he should be doing.

What he's known to be doing. He's being Josh Hart. I legit am upset at Hookporty though. Because it's like, though, you can't come in and stay on the floor for 10 minutes. Like, dude, what is your problem? Please stop fouling. Like, it does get to a point where you just can't be that undisciplined.

And for one, One guy to be on discipline, it's like, okay, he can shoot 40% from three. He can be a passing hub. You are run and jump, man. You are only out here for energy. I need you to stop following people. And also through two games, again, we haven't had a lot of low points. He's the option for me.

I really heard you all be plays again, man. I really hope he's back to next coming game tomorrow. Yeah. And when he comes back, I'm interested to see what they do defensively because he can't go to our cat right now with that. He's too stiff. Yeah, and with that, the importance of cat right now. And like, this offense, like, feeds so much off cat getting going

and being able to provide that spacing and floor attacking at the five that I feel like you just have to let Kat have the matchup everybody does where they put the center on Josh Hart, put a small guy on Kat, see if Kat can beat you one-on-one attacking a small guy. You just have to let that happen, I guess. And it's hope that it takes more energy out of him, hope it gives him less rhythm than blowing by Jewel and Bede and blowing by Bona. It's not great because with OG and with Mikhail Bridges playing. so well, it's pretty hard to have like three sized mismatches out there.

But I think you just have to try it. Thanks. So I was raised by wolves. It's tough, man. Who said that? That's what Kat said when he was mocking and beat, like six years ago on the tweet. Oh, yeah. All right, next series to talk about, let's jump over to the other Eastern Conference series.

The game, game two will be happening today. So let's talk about just game one. Detroit versus Cleveland. Detroit obviously protects home court, wins that game. and what was a, I don't know, not dominant win, but like, were you wired to wire, you feel good about the Pistons performance? What did you guys think about that first game,

relative to expectations before the series? Well, I think we all expected a pretty long series. I probably still do, right? I still expect to be a long series. Like, knowing to know that three, 14 turnovers came from the Cleveland Cavaliers, three main guards in James Harden, Donovan Mitchell, and Dennis Schroeder.

That's disgusting, though. And I think the Pizons scored like 30 points or something like that off of their turnovers, that's absolutely ridiculous. So with that alone, like, you would expect this game or next game to be a lot closer. But James Harden doing James Harden stuff alone, he had like seven turnovers himself. Donovan Mitchell still feel like pretty murky about him. And I don't think this is like the best matchup for the Pissons. And I believe in our Monday episode, I did lean towards slightly like the Pistons way.

But overall with how like the Pistons are like engineered, They kind of let teams take a lot of threes. The Cleveland Cavaliers are one of the more, they're one of the better three-point shooting teams in the entire league. They outshot them this game. But they're just like nitty-gritty things, like letting Jalen Duren get like seven offensive rebounds that like kind of closed the gap by quite a bit.

And it's that going their way. K doesn't even have to shoot crazy. I think he shot like six for 19 or something like that. And that doesn't matter because his game is really predicated off of that. But that doesn't matter because of all the other shit they're going to do. So this game is, this series is really wonky for me. But I think the Pistons are going to like end up taking it away. Yeah, I'm, I was happy for them.

They scored 111 points. Shout to you guys. They broke 100. He broke 100. And honestly, at this point for the Pistons and looking at looking up and down the roster, especially on a night where K does shoot 6 for 19, a team constructed like this, that you can still score 110. that is a very, very good sign that you can find all these other ways to create offense.

And I think that they like the three point shooting, it's going to come. It's going to go. I'm happy that Duncan Robertson got like had a very nice shooting game. But K2 for five, Tobias one for five, Dennis Jenkins, O for three, like, Javante Green one for three. It's not, it's not a lot. And that's not going to be the strength of their team. So what you said about Jalen Dern's offensive rebounds, I think is very key. That's obviously a good sign because I just don't think we're going to, I think for this

playoff run, I'm completely over any type of idea of Jalen Dern being the all NBA, in the like NBA version of himself that we saw in the regular season. That's not coming back over the next month and a half. Can you still find a way to use your physicality to impose some type of impact on, on the series, on these games? the offensive rebound is going to be the number one way that you can do that. Outside of that, I think for Cleveland, it's kind of still the same thing where it's like, I really can't win these games like 418, 418,

because they, offensively, you think that they should have the pieces to go out and score a little bit more. And they were talking all this in the regular season. Oh, we're not scared of Detroit. You scored 100 points. You didn't execute down the stretch of this game. and I feel like from last series and in game one, they've had a lot of games where they could go and take them

and the game was to be had and they could not execute down the stretch. Yeah, the lake game offense is the thing for me. That's embarrassing. And it's interesting because the numbers, if you look at them for the four factors, kind of look exactly what you'd expect between these two series. Cleveland was more efficient in terms of making their shots. 54% of effective focal percentage versus 50 for the pistons.

Makes sense. There's more shooters for the Cavaliers, Donovan Mitchell, James Hardin, obviously better creators, great play finishers in Mowgli and Jared Allen, obviously didn't have a better offensive game because they got bludgeoned in turnover percentage, offensive rebound percentage, and free-door rate. Detroit basically doubled them up on every single one. Detroit, free-throw rate 41%, Cleveland 20%. You can't let Detroit get to the free-door line that many times.

I know they're a big physical team down low. It's not like they have these crazy, crafty finishers. You need to do a better job of defending without fouling versus a bunch of slashes that you know we're going to slash. They're not exactly spacing the floor. you know they're going to halfback dive, be disciplined, put your hands up, and then turnover rate. You can't turn the ball over twice as much as the pistons. And obviously that's what the pistons are so good at, force and turnovers. So you expect them to win that every single time.

But the cats have to turn them over more. You can't let the pistons have such a good game protecting the ball. Yeah, I agree. And then another big takeaway that's kind of like a major red flag is, of course, Donovan Mitchell, bro, he's attempting like two free throw attempts per game. And that's the lowest of any mark throughout any moment in his fucking career, bro. Two free throws me it confirms what I thought a couple of days ago. It was like, yeah, this guy is like not moving the same or like getting to the rim with as much of velocity.

And of course, like everyone's dealing with injury deals with some form of injuries. Fucking Cade Cunningham is playing with a fucking life vest out there right now. We speak, bro. So that happens. But to see it hinder again, smaller guy like Donovan Mitchell changes almost everything for this team. And when you take Donovan Mitchell out of this equation when it comes to guys who are going to get into the teeth of the deep. defense and create looks and add another layer of advantage for your team. When you take that away, who the fuck else is going to be like creating contact?

Mobily? Yeah. And so as far as the most disappointing players in this series, Donald Mitchell is the most disappointing player in this series. And it's disappointing, but not, like, sometimes players play disappointing and we're going to get up here and say, you need to play better. I know you're capable of so much more. I know I've seen you be able to carry a team and do these type of things.

You're playing below your level. Yeah. I do not think Donald Mitchell is capable of that much more. I think he's showing us the limitations of his current playstyle and his current age curve as a small guard. So not to say age curve like he's like old and fallen off, but he was talked about as if he's above the small guard allegations that some of other All-Star guards are being pinpointed with in this year

where teams are kind of like, not teams, the community of NBA fans is saying we're dealt with small guards because with that size, if you get a defensive lineup like a raptors, like a pistons, with lots of size that prevents you from getting to the rim, if you're a small guard, you don't have the floor of being able to be physical and create those paint touches to create shots for others than yourself. DeMitch last year, if you guys remember,

started the season off, cataclysmically bad scoring at the rim. And we were talking about, maybe it's because the rhythm is bad because he's deferring to Garland Moore. You know, they have this amazing offense last year. DeMich's numbers aren't very good, but we'll see what happens.

He's clearly giving up some scoring for the better of the team. Playoffs came around. He unloaded the clip. People kind of stopped talking about it. But that was a big part of last year's story as he wasn't getting to the rim. Now this is happening now,

two playoffs series in a row where it's not necessarily surprising that you can't get to the rim against the Raptors or the pistons. But if you're going to be a superstar player, you have to be able to do that and create good looks against top tier defenses. And I think that's kind of just not his game at this moment, if it will ever, will be again. It is, yeah. I don't know if we've fully pressed like the red button and started to sound the alarm, but the last two years, DeMitch has scored 29 and 29 in the playoffs.

And then now he's scoring 23 this year. And the only other times that he really has scored like under 24, 25 points a game is whenever his team gets flamed out in the first round and they lose. You played the Raptors in the first round. That's not really going to happen. But you got as close to losing in the first round as possible with this level of production. And so we've seen in the past when it's like this, then your team normally ages out. That's kind of why Cleveland is like, okay, we have to we have to go get James Harder. We have to go get somebody else who can alleviate some of the ball handling and playmaking

pressures off of you so that you can just go ahead and do your thing. And I do think it is super, it's not encouraging that your job is just to score at this point. You know that James Harding can handle every other aspect of the offense and you can't, you can't get that. That's the part, though, that I don't like is that his job isn't just to score. His job is to still be a good playmaker, still be a good star player. And you know why you feel that? Because in the line,

James from James Hardin isn't out there, he has to be the lead guard still, and those lines are bullshit. He has done a poor job without James Hardin on the court, being able to facilitate, and at the very least, you got to do it in parts then.

Like, obviously, when James Hardin's out there, okay, you can focus on scoring, there's plenty of minutes where you're the lead ball handler out there without Hardin. And in some ways, that's been the difference

in the last series in this one. Those minutes have not been precipitous wins for the Cavs offense. Yeah, I agree. Another disappointing thing, too, for me, is he's not a player, but, you know, Kenny Hackinson, man. not playing Jared Allen at the start of fourth quarter in like really giving him key pivotal moments.

And also like I feel like he's been misusing not only the rotation stuff, but timeouts is kind of disgusting. And with how knowing how close this, how close that game one was and it was within reach, they didn't beat your ass. They did have their way with you, but it wasn't like you guys got blown by fucking 30 or whatever. I think if those those things, Jared Allen gets more minutes and he doesn't finish the game with like 18 minutes and still four fouls or whatever. and then I'll talk about that too. If James Harden just starts playing like less lackadaisical,

that'll fucking help a lot. It's so interesting that James Hardin as a score and playmaker when he's not turning the ball over has been good, but my God, he can't stop turning the ball over. And I guess that's understandable as an age thing.

We talk about that with LeBron a lot that his handle and ability to get by people and not turn the ball over has kind of disappeared as he gotten older. That happens a lot with ball handlers, I think. So maybe that's his new biggest playoff war that he will not overcome that he might score efficiently,

but like that handle is going to be loose. He just can't, can't put it all together ever. Yeah, that happens when you're, what is he, 36 now? Something like that. Yeah, it happens. More turnovers than buckets. Tough. Super tough.

That's the same. Very tough. Now he had 22 points in this game. How many free throws did you have? Yeah, it's nine. Nine for nine for three. Yeah, he still got it. Yeah, exactly.

That's never, that's never going away. 14% from three, though. That can't happen. You can't turn the ball over seven times and shoot 14. percent from three. That's not a winning accommodation for James Hardin Basketball in 20206. Thomas Bryant got nine minutes in this game, bro. He cannot play

in this game at all, bro. He was getting torched. He has a minus... He has his plus minus minus three. It feels like it should be minus 50, bro. Yeah. Like, he's just that bad. What are you guys most curious to see tonight in game two? People are going to be listening to this after game two already happened probably. What do you want to see

and what do you hope that they saw in game two? It's the turnovers. I think in the magic series, one Detroit there was like three games straight where the first possession they came out turned the ball over immediately and they also like they they can be had into being able to force them into into turnovers I think that if you can if you can keep that that aspect of their of their playbook away and you you can make sure that they don't get out and run they don't you know win the when the possession games and now they're able to get back into

into the game despite, you know, not shooting more efficiently from the field overall. If you can just play actual offense, you can beat the, you can beat the Pistons. But obviously, Detroit is very, very good defensively and it's very hard to do that. But I think that Cleveland, like, that should be the number one thing on their mind. I don't feel like I learned much in this first game by either team. Like, they both had the rewards kind of, the game won as expected. And the Pistons were a little bit better, like we all expected. I think, did we all pick Pistons in seven?

I did, yeah. I landed on Pistons and seven, I believe. Yeah. So, like, it went kind of as expected, right? Both teams come off of game seven, going to be a little bit worn out, came out here, was a little bit sloppy offensively in terms of both teams not shooting well. Game two is where we're going to learn because teams are going to go back and make adjustments. This will be the game where next episode on Monday we'll have real opinions about the series.

I guess the only other thing that I do have to say is that like some notes that I'm taking on Cleveland is that I knew they were like kind of a frail team. And the only like real two players who play with real intensity that you could feel through the fucking screen is guys like Max Struce and Jalen Tyson or whatever and at times, Autumn and Mitchell. But other than that, like, they play, you know, really fail, really frail basketball. And if it's going to be like that, then, okay, like, at least try to have decent lineups or rotations out there. I don't need to see no, like, fuck-ass three-guard lineups at all. It's like sometimes when I watch this Cleveland Cavaliers team, I just feel like they're made

up of three guards, Mowgli, and then there's Dean-Wade out there. Just do Dean-Wate things. And when it's not D-Wade, it's another frail guard. Yeah. Between Merrill, Keon Ellis, and Max Drews. which maybe Max Drews isn't quite as skinny as the other two guys. But those sad, Merrill and Keon-Eless minutes, when that's your small forward essentially sometimes.

Brutal. Tiny-ass lineups. Yeah, brutal. They're small. They're small. And if they favor, if they were facing a team, like the Knicks right now we're talking about,

they have these big wings that are attacking. They're getting beat. Food. Yeah. Munching. Yeah. Getting munched on. Okay.

It's obvious the Pistons. Most disappointing players so far is still Jayland Dern, right? Oh, 100%. Yeah. Yeah. There's some moments in the first half where I was like, okay, he's getting a little more the muscle advantage that he has

over Mowgli and Jared Allen. You're seeing that. Didn't end up having an efficient game. Very interested to see how that goes as a series goes on. Because that's something we talked about in the preview that the Wendogh Carter Jr. matchups brought him a very specific level of physicality that just completely

evened out his strengths as a gigantic dude. Evan Mowbly and Jared Allen aren't quite as physical as Wendellon Carter. They're much more talented defensively. And the question was, is that going to even out? Are you going to have a better opportunity to succeed in this year? because you can do your strength stuff

or you can do worse because now there's more talented of defenders that can hold their own physically while giving you a better technique. We will see. Do we got to revisit the DeMitch Devin Booker conversations? Hell nah.

That conversation is like six years old at this point. I could not bring myself to give a fuck less about a player of comparison right now. Two players that have clearly been laughed and aren't needle movers to the level of other championship one A's.

Yeah, I'm just convinced there this generation's like Paul George, Jimmy Butler, debate. It's going to go back and forth Forever. I agree. That's a good comparison.

That's where every year it's like, okay, this is the year. One person clears the other. Yeah. At the end of the year, oh, it's a toss-up again. Yeah. But at least when Jimmy Butler was clearing those conversations, he was making the finals. Yeah. And like he was like really, really, really clearing those conversations.

Did he ever lose that title after he kind of took it back? Like post-2020, did anybody ever say Paul George is better? 21 when Paul George led them to the conference finals. There was a little bit pushback. Fair. The year after Jimmy took him to the finals, people were saying that Paul George was better. Like, I think for Paul George in 21,

it was like, okay, cool, you finally did it. Like, you finally showed that you can get back to this level that you were at seven years ago. But I don't think Jimmy, I don't think he passed Jimmy in that moment. Well, you know how it goes. You know how I fell out basketball goes. It's very, like, what you do this week? So I'm sure the convo was had and people were saying, yeah, yeah.

Whether or you would have said that, I mean, we had rankings at that time. I don't think we ranked Jimmy Buller head. I mean, Jimmy Buller behind Paul George. Fuck, no. But I'm sure people were. saying that. Yeah.

Yeah. Also, the three-point value of it all. It's always going to lean towards Paul George, but... Yeah. It's just annoying. It's just an annoying conversation. I agree, but... I guess DeMitch is still better.

Well, actually, I don't know. Demit should be ranked higher. I don't know. I'm really not moved by you those guys right now. Yeah. As far as, like, the ceiling of the reputation... It is becoming a mid-off. I will say that.

It went from, you know, who's the best shooting guard in the league right now. It is kind of a mid-off. So... Yeah. Tough. It's quite the gap. between the first shooting guard and the rest of the guys right now.

Yeah, it's disgusting. Okay, we know the two disappointing players there. Like I said, Game 2 is tonight. Much more interesting combo after we see Game 2 and how it goes. Let's talk about a game 2 we just saw it last night, which went very interesting, Spurs versus Timberwolves in game 1.

Actually, let's go back before game 1. In our preview, we talked about this series, and we said, God damn, it is unfortunate that Anthony Edwards is injured, that he might not make it back until game 4 or game 3 at the earliest based on the reporting we had, Monday morning.

So we said, fuck, I love what the Timberwolves did in the first round. I love how they physically punk the nuggets. I would love to continue to support this awesome team

that just turns up at the right moment and say, this is going to be a long series. If Ant was fully healthy and Donton DiVincenzo wasn't hurt, we would have said this is going to be a very intriguing series that we all would have went to Spurs

because we respect what they did in the regular season. They've proven to be an elite team, but we would have been like Spurs in six or seven, right? That wasn't the case. As far as we knew, Ant wasn't going to play

the first three games or so. So we said, I guess there's no chance that Timberwolves are going to win these games without and so I guess we're going to see a relatively like sure Spurs pick. All said that. An hour after the episode went up, we get a tweet, Anthony Edwards will play in game one. Oh, changing everything.

We still would have picked the Spurs, obviously, because Anthony Edwards is not going to play 100%. But he came out, he played in game one, and they stole game one in part because he gave them exactly what he could and what they needed in those 25 minutes, 11 fourth quarter points to help seal a 104 to 102 win. but he wasn't really an Anthony Edwards the siding factor game

outside of those 11 points like I said Julius Randall 8 the fact that the Spurs don't have big wings really showed in this first game Julius Randall attacked mismatches left and rights in the fourth quarter they ran Nasree Julius Randall lineups

to space out Victor Mormon Yama and not let him continue to get blocks after he had 11 in the first three quarters that helped make that fourth quarter victory happen Tarrant Shannon Jr. give them very good minutes as a slasher with that spacing that helped.

But the moral of the story was, the Spurs played their worst offensive game of this season. Deer & Fox was a fucking atrocity in game one and Wembe also couldn't get going at the rim, missed I think it was eight threes in that game. Terrible showing offensively from their two-star players,

especially Deeran Fox, was truly, truly horrific in game one. It was bad. It was terrible, man. It was worse than terrible. Making me think that all the Fox hitters, damn, bro. Is he needed?

Maybe Lois cooking. Oh, God. Yeah, I know. But then game two comes around Greg Popovich helped them watch film between game one and two Had them lock it in and say what the fuck are y'all doing Give one be the ball down low Do all this double team Anthony Edwards

Why are you not doing that? And in game two they came out And they looked exactly like a team That needed to get punched in the mouth one time And make all the adjustments Because in the beginning of game two Every single adjustment you'd want to see They were doing with immense immense immense effort

And they came out and they beat the shit of them in game two Yeah make sense what they lose by what's the official count 38 damn it ended up being 38 38 once it's like a 25 a 30 point league going in the fourth quarter

I check out mentally I'm like whatever it ends it ends Yeah 38's nuts so 38 point point win 95 offensive rating from Minnesota Throughout the series now Yeah man after that first quarter They just fucking gave up right They had no energy no effort at all And it feels like they just accepted their fate

For that night Yeah for that night And it was a typical basketball What you think right because Minnesota really stole game one. For much of that game, it felt like San Antonio was still going to win and in the second half,

the cumulative effect of the Aaron Fox horrible turnovers, the switch to the fireout spacing lineup with the Timberwolves to neuterize Victor Wimiyama's room pressure, him missing all these threes. It all kind of caught up and then they really clutched up at the end. Almost didn't clutch up.

Like they were one Champaignie missed three in the final possession away from still blowing that game. The Timberwolves did just enough to still game one. Game two, which is kind of a course correction to what you'd expect to see. Yeah.

And I mean, game one, they, I know that they won by two, they won by like 10. They should have won, they should have won by 10. Whether you want to count it. Yeah, you're right. Whether you want to count it by like the collapse that they had or the fact that when we had like a million goal tens that they just did not, that they just did not call in game one.

Like they, they played extremely well in the first game. I think, yeah, yesterday, it's very classic. We came in. We did our job. We got the split. And now we're going to go home. And if they can, they can defend home. court, you go up 3-1. I think at this point, like, the fact that Wembe's 3 is still not falling

is awesome. And they have done such a good job of doing the same thing that they did in round one, which is, we think you're soft. And we are just going to be overly physical. And there are so many times, regardless of where Wembe's at, if he's at the three-point line, if he's fighting four position down low, they have done a very active job of getting their work done early, doing all things really getting into wimby's chest pushing him out being super physical with him and i think especially on the on the threes it you can see it you can't see that it is it is working because a bunch of his threes have been deep yeah and he's like the first time i'm getting this i'm putting the shot up i'm not putting in any effort i'm getting these these threes up everywhere else he's he's being

wendy he's still you know affecting shots at at the room he's still rebounding at a super high clip i think you have a way if you can continue this physicality with when being the three does not fall you have a way to to get that three one lead to go out and win two games at home and even de ron pox is bounce by game it's five for ten 16 points is a fine game so it's okay it's what you want to see but he hasn't been outstanding to the point where now the other the two star people on the other team are overwhelming you and so i think that minnesota still has a very good chance of staying in the series, even as aunt comes off the bench and it's, you know, starting to come back. They're fine.

Yeah. I think you said two things at the end. They have a chance of staying competitive in this series. I think that's true. They're fine. I think it's not true. As far as fine, like, they don't need to worry at all. I would worry a little bit after this game.

I was, listen, you're worried as soon as you walk into the series. You know, so like, yeah, fine in terms of like, oh, it's all good. Yeah, that's not necessarily the. I'm very encouraged by what the Spurs did in this game. They made every adjustment you'd want to see, honestly. Harrison Barnes. big first quarter minutes to go out there and guard Julius Randall and give the guy that at least has the height to be able to stay in front of him.

That was the story of the end of game one was Champany, Vassell, Harper, Fox, all these guys. Randall was just finishing above them. And that was like my biggest concern about this team before the season started and why I didn't see this second best team in the West leap coming because they just don't have the big wings or just wings in general. It's constantly three-guard lineups. That's fine because you have Wemmy behind you so you can survive and be a great defense still. But that's an issue to not have enough tall guys.

that bit them in the first game they come out. Carter Bryant's available in this game. He gets serious run. Harrison Barnes gets serious run. And it's a pretty good job against Julius Randall relatively. You know, still got some buckets, but didn't let him decide the game in the fourth quarter. Well, it helps when the game isn't really a game in the fourth quarter. But, you know, it was a good first quarter. Lots of trapping on Anthony Edwards in the first quarter. That's encouraging. They played very straight up in the first game. And with the state of aunt's health in the minutes he's able to give, he gave enough to be able to blow by guys a couple

times, hit a tough three over Victor Woman Yama. He succeeded there. With the way he can't move right now, if you throw traps in him, he can't run around it and split them right now. Like when you see the Lakers trapping Shea, he's fast enough to make quick decisions and get there to his spots before the traps come. And can't do that. So if you trap him in the half court, he has to just defer and pass the ball. And that's exactly what you want because now you have Ayodosum, Terran, Shannon, Jr., Julius Randall, these guys making the decisions. Perfect way to defend against the start as a little bit hobbled. Lots of wimby post touches and wimby four slabs in the first quarter.

That's exactly what you want to see after the first game. I just think Mitch Johnson checked all the boxes and I don't really see like clear counters for that with how the timbrebles are undermanned. Yeah. The only clear counter is Colts Fitch is going to look in the mirror and be like, look to all you guys look in the mirror and be like, how bad do you want this shit? Are you a bitch or not? And that's what it comes down to at the end of the day.

You need like all your role players like Jane and, Jayne McDaniels to step up. You need guys like, I don't know what you want to expect for Julius Randall at this time because you know what he is, but you need him to be like a little like 10% better. And then really also like an underlying story is too. Like I-O he's, he only paid like 10 minutes this last game. Yep. And he got ruled out because I believe it was another injury that was somewhat related to his initial.

It was a calf injury, right? Yeah, exactly. It was a calf injury. So like that's like really concerned because it's like damn, bro, like Terran Shannon Jr., good player elite athlete he when it comes to like being able to match up with the spurs guards athleticism there's not a lot of people in the NBA

who can say we have an answer for that and he is that relying on him just kind of feel shaky so it's it's a it's a tough pathway yeah it's where you're at though yeah it's it's where you're at and is Chris Finch exactly who Amy Adoka wants to be yeah he's white you may yeah a little bit he's a little better he's a little better

I like you asked the question that he's in look in the mirror and look at the athie Edwards eyes looking jim and daniel's eyes and be like are you a bitch-made or not. Yeah. He's the best are you bitchmate or not coach I've ever seen? There is.

That's so true. There was, I just saw this postgame interview and a reporter told aunt that yeah, Chris Finch said that you guys got punked. And then he was like, got punked. That's crazy. And clearly like he knows what's happening.

So you're right. You're right. He knows his personality. He knows if I question their manhood, you know what he is? He's going to let him talk to you like that. Yeah. He's just like, hell no,

I'm not. I'm going to go out there and dung. So you're a pussy, huh? Yeah. Okay. James Daniels with me I'm pussy and it works because all his players hate that Rudy Gobert chip on his shoulder from being hated forever and obviously we know he's not gonna let anybody do that he has a fire on his shoulder Jamie Daniels might be the most

you can't call me a pussy ever he might be the most motivated to emasculate his opponent player I've ever seen like all these guys check all these boxes and Chris Finch knows how to get them motivated yeah I also there was there was a moment where one the spur of were already up by like 25 at that point. The Vassel 3 that he had in the corner. Oh my God. Oh, that was dumb. I feel like the broadcast didn't do enough, a good enough job, but initially happened. Because like, and whenever

he did it, I was like, he didn't just do that for real. And then you see the replay. And he, he jumps before he catches the ball. No dip three in the corner. We can't show the clip sadly because it's a broadcast angle and the fucking copyright nukees. But yeah, he jumps up as if Bass is heading to

him. Not even a no dip because, like, he's mid-air. It's like, that's another level to no-dip. Like, know what that felt like? That felt like that one time James Hardin tried that one leg three. And everybody was like, what the fuck is he doing? And then four years later, La Mello Ball does a twice a game. Wentby tries and all these things. You're like, is that where we're going?

Is that the next version of No Dip? Mid jump, catch the ball? I think it is. That's a lob, ain't it? A lob to a jump shot. Pretty much. Yeah. Yeah, that's a lot.

It's tough, bro. A lob three? Yo, we're lob in threes. Yo. It's like an ad. Wait, hold on. Is this the next step? I feel like it's something they probably do

I've never watched like a sports anime But I imagine there's scenes in basketball sports anime Where they throw the ball up And somebody jumps up catches it And like shoots a lot of feet up There's one specific basketball anime So unrealistic I can't watch it Yeah

The basketball fan of me like I bet they do stuff like that Where they catch it all high in the air And like shoot it That's what we're doing We're doing basketball anime moves And definitely of a trailblazer Yeah

Let's workshop this man We have to Off of pure like Just skin And ability, I think that might be the greatest three-point shot I've ever seen. That's crazy, right? It's nuts. Like, it felt like watching somebody in the Matrix where you're just so perfectly timed up

that you can jump in midair and get everything lined up. Do you think it was an accident? Or is that a plan he had? Or did he just like off? I think he knew because the clock was running down. So I think he was like, I just have to get this up as fast as possible. But do you think he knew? Do you think he has a conscious mind that when the time is going down, I can jump and

and catch it mid-air and shoot? or did he just pull that shit out in flow state? Probably flow state. They were up by 26, so like everything is rolling at that way. Like, has he ever worked on that today in his life, you think? Probably not. Who the fuck in the right mind? Work on that.

Like, what is it in a scenario? But he might. You might end practice with that where it's like, oh, let me just try something real quick. I guess. But he's not spending time in the summer on that shot. Yeah. But like, now that I see him and do it, maybe he does work on that. And maybe he should work on that.

Like, maybe it is more conscious or get him going to. for it. Well, I don't think it's super like important. Yeah, I don't need you to do that all the time, but like in the case. Yeah. It's a good tool to have when you need to do it. That's crazy. Hold on. Fast break, Wemby running down. He jumps from the free throw line, catches it, jumps from the three point line, catches it at the free throw line. Is that a three? Yes. Yeah. Oh my God. We're breaking basketball. We're breaking basketball. Let's work shop this, man. Please. Yeah. If you jump from from the three. it's a three-pointer.

So basically, he wants him to do like a volleyball tip. Like he jumps from the free throw line and like tips it in. I mean, from two-point line, he's so long that his hand touches the ball at the free throw line

and he like tip it in. Yeah. Like his release point would probably be at the free throw line so it would be technically shooting the free throw. I don't know if he has the long-term capabilities

because of his body type. It's a catch floater. Type shape. Type shape. Oh, you're running in the game, man. We can't do this. He can do it.

He can do it. I think he's a full head of steam note because how long he is the momentum, I don't think he can jump from the three-point line to the frito line just off the strength. He probably needs a running start. His hand... Yeah, he's going to need a running start. His hand can get to the frithal line. So like when you're saying this, I'm picturing, you know, the the, um, the D-Wade game winner? Yes. Yes. I'm picturing that because D-Wade lands super far ahead of it. And so I'm picturing like a game winning scenario where he's doing that

catches. He probably lands like his, I don't know what his broad jump is. Let's just say it's like nine feet, which is, it's probably much, much more. But like, actually, maybe not. But nine feet can get you to about the free throw line. His arm extended can get there. He can take a floater from inside the free throw line if he jumps foot the three. This can't happen. It will happen.

In the next five years, I'm betting on it. We always think about what's the next game breaking development. We just figured it out. It's lobs from away from the perimeter. What the fuck, man. Just like James Hardin's step back is like, the two steps going backwards. He like changed the trajectory of the game.

Yeah. We're doing that with Lobbs now. We're throwing lobs backwards. I will be upset though when I see it because it's going to be like a three. It's going to be a three on one fast break. Yeah. And somebody's going to have a wide up a layup. And they're just going to throw a lob to the three point line.

I'm like, what are you doing? It's going to, it's going to be like that. You got to patch that immediately. Yeah, I'm silver. It's slam ball. That's crazy. They're going to have to push back the three point line after that. Especially if it becomes a man.

Yeah. Shelds first, taking care of business, doing what we thought they should do. As far as the Timberwolves game back into the series, I think the main thing for the Timberwolves is kind of just like, how does Anthony Edwards' body respond to this minute's restriction? Is it a thing where we thought that by game four he'd be cleared to return and be 100%? Is he going to be 100% by game four, or is that recovery slowed down because he's playing through the not 100% stage?

How was he going to look toward the end of the series? If he's like this still the whole time, kind of still find it hard to believe they're going to have. have enough juice to be able to win this series. But if by game four, Anthony Edwards can play like Anthony Edwards and play 35 minutes, it could be a very long series still. I think, I do think this is going six. Like, I don't think we're getting a reverse, a reverse suite from San Antonio.

I think that they've, Fox and the way that he's played between game one and game two and the fact that he hasn't really elevated to a high, high level. I am a little bit concerned. I think game two you played pretty well, though, to be fair. It was fine. I really want to see, and maybe that's just something that I'm just looking forward to

to and it's not necessarily a disappointment, but I want to see one of those games where Deer and Fox does take over and like you leave the game. It doesn't even have to be a crazy like, oh, Deereon scored 40. I want to leave the game thinking like, yo, Deerr really like put his stamp on the game.

And I don't feel like game two. I don't feel like game two. The thing is though Mitch Johnson doesn't seem to want him to. He shot 10 shots in this game. Stefan Castle shot 10 shots in this game. They were also Dylan Harper shot 10 shots in this game. They were by 26.

I feel like a lot of that. Like if it's just a normal game, you know, maybe that goes up to 15 shots. Maybe. And he did exert himself in the first quarter. They did make an effort to get him going and he did a very good job.

But I think this version, like, it is a weird game, wonky. I think that Mitch Johnson in a perfect world would love for Harper, Castle, and Fox to all take 10 shots a game. Like the story of Deer and Fox's season is the fact that they don't want him to be a heliocentric,

all-ball playmaker that does all this stuff. like they want him to be one of the guys. All the guys are dope. I think in the case and scenario where that does happen has to happen in Minnesota. And you have to, Dunn Harbor should remind us that he's a fucking rookie. Stefan Castle is going to look like he achieved all the worries that we had about him, which he hasn't at all. He's been playing fantastic too, by the way. But that he looks like a second year player who has shooting woes.

That's just here where I can kind of see that happening for happening. for it happened for Deerrin Fox and that's when you want it to you want him to cash in more but at this point like they don't need it like these guys are talented they i don't want it to be like that either right now yeah all right so most disappointed players in this in this series still has to be fox just because that first game was such a disgusting showing that you'll still get the disappointing tag into your good continue continue to carry that torch because we talked about it before the series before the playoffs i should say we did our playoff pressure rankings did a bracket of the players are the most pressure on their shoulders. We talked about that every single game for Dearen Fox is a job interview to prove

they shouldn't trade you for a wing because they have Dylan Harper wait and take your job. Game one, it was, oh, they need to trade him for a wing. It was you must. That is the dynasty starts after you player. Game two, you, you know, got the momentum from going. Continue. Every single game will be an indictment on your place on this team. So much pressure. Right or wrong. Every single game people are going to be having these combos. Yeah. That's way too much. There ain't no pressure on anyone in Minnesota for real. You just go out there, try hard, man. That's it. Well, who's been disappointing from Minnesota so far?

They put their pants on just like you. Yeah. Like, Rugo Bear's been, dude, he's done as good of a job as you can on Wemby, bro. So it's like, he can't say he's disappointing. If you want, you could say Julius Randall, but I feel like that's kind of like, you already know who he is. I'm going to finish him. Mike Conley.

All right. Who the fuck is disappointing on Minnesota? Bones Highland, all right. It probably is Julius Randall just because you need like. Four for 10 in game, too. Yeah, you need star, star production from him. And four, four, for 10 is not, not going to get it. it done. The three-point shooting that he's had is not going to get it done.

So it, but by default, it's probably him. Okay. I also as a whole, I think I want more from Nazaree, but it's not just like a this series thing. Isn't life? Not scoring. Basketball. No, I think he's a great man.

You know, good guy. Good guy. All right. Speaking of a player that people probably want more from if you look at Twitter. We've got to talk about Austin Reeves. The Los Angeles Lakers versus the Oklahoma City Thunder. Game one happened. Game two was tonight, so you guys will know what happens by the time you hear this most likely.

But as far as we saw in game one, we saw the perfectly expected level of belt from the thunder and resilience from the Lakers. The Lakers fought hard. They kept their close game. It was exactly as you'd expect in this season of LeBron James scaling up and doing what he can to attack mismatches, keep the offense going in a good way. J. J. J. Reddick, doing a good job with defensive principles. But we just know that when we get to the second half of these games, they don't have the talent level.

The defense will take over for the thunder. The secondary playmaking of all the guys around Shay when they trap him will take over. They play finishing of Chet. And what we saw him do to that trapping coverage that Shay got will take over. And it'll be a close game, but kind of wire-to-wire dominance for the Thunder. And that's what we saw. This series is over. I feel so bad, man.

This has been over. They were within 10 for so goddamn long. And then all the floodgates just happened and feel like they just gave up at that point. I feel so bad for LeBron. He put up like, what, 27 or something like that? It is jump shots. Motherfogers are on TV talking about, why do you only take 17 shots? We need more shots from LeBron.

People are bored. I think it was Rashomacal saying that. He's like, you need to take over the game. They're bored. Tonight is the Had them Shook game. Yeah. I'm feeling it. Lakers is going to keep it close?

Yeah. No, I think they're going to win tonight. Oh, they win tonight? Yeah, yeah. No, I think it's a complete opposite. I think Okie's going to hold up back now. The right. I think the best game to pick a surprise Lakers win will be game three when they go back home down 2-0.

That'd be the one where they shoot a million percent from three. That's when everybody's expecting it. True. You got to catch him off guard. Okay. Is Austin Reeves? Do you think he's going to play well tonight? Yeah, that's the only combo, really, about this team.

Yeah. Yeah, because yesterday, this is what he put up. Is that Stone Cole, Steve Austin? That's Stone Cole, yes. He said he has his own version of Austin 316 now. Oh, my God. Yeah, so that's the only conversation here, right, is that we know the Lakers are going to lose. We know that without Luca, they have absolutely no chance, right?

There's no talk of a upset from us, at least. The question is, can Austin Reeves fight his playoff demons that started last year when he got completely punked by Jamie McDaniels and out physical an series where the whole team got punked? Lots of the point at him because he looked physically overmatched by elite defenders. Come around to the series, coming off of an injury, you're expecting to be rusty, but he's playing and you're facing elite defense that you can be understanding. But the fact that he's probably going to get punked, We said it before the series started.

Nevertheless, that's what the money's for. People are going to want to see you be able to perform. That's the only takeaways. By the end time we get to the end of this series, do you feel good about Austin Reeves and his capabilities as a second option next to Luke long term in the playoff setting? That's tough. You know what sucks?

We're not going to have an answer right or wrong. People are going to pick an answer because that's just how we react to playoff basketball. There's not really going to be any way to know because of the annoying obliques stuff that came before this. Exactly. That's what makes this conversation so much harder. And that's how I want to give him a deal. decent amount of grades because, bro, you haven't played in a minute and you're coming back

off of one of the worst injuries you could have in basketball. You use your oblique so fucking much. And then I'll talk about that too, it's like, bro, it's okay. See, case of ball is going like this to your. Yeah. That just happened it constantly, bro. This is the worst game you can play. And Nick, I feel like oblique injuries aren't very like, when you tell an average fan, someone hurt their oblique, they're just like injury. That means nothing to them. Yeah. They don't understand that like it's like, it has to do with the way you turn your body, he draw contact, move in general. That's all you do in basketball.

And especially a guy like Austin Reeves, whose whole thing is his unique movement patterns that make him hard to stay in front of. He draws a lot of fouls because his weird start-stop. His ability to contort himself. Yeah, it's special. So like an oblique is going to fuck him up in his rhythm. His shooting touch has been so bad.

And I think it's in large part because of that. He can't get to a midi right now and do his slowdowns and get up to a shot. Like his side's clearly hurting. End of the day, though. We see multiple playoff runs. People are going to give you a harsh criticism, regardless of whether or not it's understanding.

You're not the first player to play. through an injury against a good defense. You're beginning of the season, when you were averaging 29 before you got hurt, you were playing like a top 20 player in the world. Yeah. These are the criticisms that come with it. He has to tell the team doctor, give me the finest pills you have. And which, like, I got to figure it out.

And it's the whole thing, everything you guys are saying is right. And we knew it from the start. It's the, it's the legit worst case scenario to be coming back from any type of injury and playing the best defense that we've seen in the last 10 years. And a team, a defense specifically built off of perimeter defenders and perimeter guards. So three for 16, can we get to five for 16? Yeah. Right?

Six for 16. What's the line? What are we realistically asking for? Because if anybody who's saying like, I need Austin Reeves to take 25 shots tonight and score 30 points, that's not going to happen. And because, one, because that's not going to happen, again, this series is over. They have no chance. Two, I don't know what success looks like. I think we do have to redefine success for Austin Reeves in this specific case.

And I don't know what it is right now. I mean either. I just want to see competency, obviously, not three for 16. I want to see him perform well, push offense well, even if the shots aren't falling, not turn it over so much. And just like, I want to see progression over the course of the series as he gets more healthy hopefully and as he gets used to it. I just want to see him by the time he gets two game six but it's not going to be six games. But at time we get to game four, the last two games

game three and four, I want to see him have reps where we can say, okay, you're succeeding against his defense. Because it's all it is, it's a try out for him and just to see what your opinion is about him going this coming year because they're going to pay him, right? I would never come up here no matter what and be like, because he had his worst series ever against the thunder, you can't pay him 30 million. You got to trade him. You got to say he's not the guy long term. I'm never going to do that. But I would like to feel encouraged going into the summer that he can fight through the adversity

and have some level of success. I'm kind of with you on that. Like I think this series isn't really indicative of anything for Austin Reece specifically. However, I do think there's genuine long-term conversations to be had though. Is he losing money? Probably not.

Yeah. If he was healthy, maybe he would. Yeah. One, I don't think he's going to be out here demanding $50 million regardless. So if he wasn't get $35, he still can get $35. Whatever the number is, I don't think it's going to make a big difference. Yeah, I just felt like for the Lakers, building around two average at best players.

That's like, I mean athletically? At, not. You said average at best players. Defenders, defenders, my bad. Oh, okay. Average, building around at best to average defenders. My concern actually isn't the defense. Because I think, I mean, Jalen Brunson, like, you can build around a bad defender clearly.

Yeah. You're seeing that. I'm more, we talked a lot in defense. in the first round about physicality being such a defining factor of these playoffs as of late with how the games officiated how everybody's skilled now.

Every offense has shooting has role players that can make plays. Now physicality is once again a big difference. Awesome of reason. It's very physical. Luca is physical,

but not defensively and not in that same way. Yeah. So two non-physical ball handlers, which let me not even say Luke in that. Just Austin Rees is a non-physical ball handler. I'm a little concerned about that element.

Yeah. Especially if you're going to lose LeBron. If you have LeBron still, who's obviously very physical, I'm sure still will be next year. It's cool. But the idea of LeBron leaving and you replace him with some role players like Peyton Watson and Tarisan or whatever, you're going to need to have some real punch on ball physically. And it's so weird with Austin Reeves.

Like he can get to the room. And one of the bigger developments with him is this pasture as to why we thought he was a top 20 player, is his ability to get to the rim and get to the free throw line and all that. And it requires a certain level of the physicality. But when it comes to even like in the series specifically, and whenever going back to what you said, he does face the case in Wallace's and Jane and McDaniels, that becomes a real issue even like starting the thought with him to do that. It's like he doesn't have the bandwidth physically to do that at all.

And that's like, that's almost like a non-starter when he comes to thinking about how he can progress and excel in a playoff setting. Maybe things do look a hell of a lot different when Luke is there. But this is multiple years in a row now, man. Yeah, that's an annoying part. It's like there is creeds to it, obviously. Yeah. Like you didn't perform well last year, night didn't perform well this year. It's been several years since we saw you begin the playoffs.

So I understand the criticism. I'm not saying it's crazy. In fact, it might be right. We might prove years on the line. He's just a playoff guy that isn't built for that right. You just can't really, you can't solidify that thought

after this series specifically because the confluence of factors. It's just not great. It's not great all around. And it sucks if you can't make any type of real takeaway because of the injury. All right. So you think they win tonight?

15 and a half point spread. Are they losing about 20? Probably. They get swept, yeah. Yeah, I don't know. Okay. So obviously, Austin Reuse is the most disappointing. player of the Lakers this playoffs.

It just has to be him. Whether fair or not, right? Who's disappointing on the Thunder right now? Because they're goddamn clicking. In this game, JJ Reddick, from the start. So we are double teaming the living shit out of Shea. And he didn't have a good game. He turned the ball over a lot.

It was for a playmaking standards that he showed us this season, terrible playmaking game. Scoring was all right. He had like seven turnover. It was just crazy. Yeah. For his standards, far below. Fine.

I'm sure he'll bounce back from that. He did such a good job as the game went on as a score. attacking those double teams being very fast and decisive, which is what we saw in the first round when Jordan not tried to do the same thing. They throw doubles at him, so he just attacks very quickly get into the mid-range off the catch

before they can even try to make sure he still gets his buckets and isn't forced to be only a playmaker. That's great. I feel fine about him long-term in this series. Chet Hongren was a beast in that first half. Every time they threw the double teams at Shay, the ball found him and he was just fantastic.

Who do we feel bad about in this team so far? Jayne, why are you not here right now? Disappointing because you're hurt. Why is your hamstring not better, man? figured it out. History is on, they are on the precipice of making history and you're missing out. I'm so disappointed in J. Doug. There's nothing really talk about for them when it comes to disappointing, bro.

Like, they're fin to sweep their way in the first round, the second round. Who knows it's going to happen in the Western Conference finals? I guess you can point out like, I don't know, case in walls and his three-point shooting. It's not the best still. But outside of that, it was just like, everyone's hidden, bro. Lou Dord is, I think he's from like 40% from three or something like that. So far this is so far in the playoffs. Let me see.

Caruso's shooting a career high in the playoffs right now. You should have 42% Caruso. That's insane. All right. So the Thunder are the only team that don't get a disappointing player. They just not lost the game. It is what it is. Only team they can say that.

LeBron, give me one. I'm asking for it. Let's put it down, man. It's crazy watching these games to the Lakers fan. I just like, what the fuck? What do I even care about? Like, they don't have a chance. Their best player isn't there.

I can't even feel sad because, like, the best player isn't there. So, like, I'm just so empty watching these games. I just like, don't care, which is crazy because my team's the second round of the playoffs. Do you feel happy that, like, you can still see LeBron? I guess. I don't know. I don't know that means. I'm trying to find a silver lining for you.

It's like your old dog is still there. You can just see them on your screen. So, yeah, he's still here. So inspirational. It's like you're talking about I'm like an old dog who should have died a long time ago. Look at him, man. He's still going. Still going.

So we don't expect that to be a competitive series. Let's talk about the teams that are eliminated and talk about disappointing players real quick from those teams. Who was the most disappointing player for the Boston Celtics B. Souls? Man, I got a lot of choices here. I'm not going to lie. Most disappointing player, I'm still going to Derek White, man.

I am still a friend of believer. We just get one average Derek White series. I think it's fair to say Derek White because it's a full season and a full playoff run now of him not being able to shoot where it's like, damn, do we got to sell? Do we got to like pivot? That's a fair question.

Post live streams, though? Ooh. Might be seven. Yeah, I'm right. Apparently he's very unhappy with the Celtics organization. And T-Mack said that. This is like when Chris Haynes talks about Damien Allard. You know it's directly from the source.

Team Mac is his fucking big brother, essentially. Yeah, and then he addressed it last night. And he specifically, I think he's very careful with his wording. He said him and Brad Stevens have a great relationship. so him and Joe Mazzula do not. And because he also had those comments where he said, I think we should have stuck to our play style earlier. It was another shot at Joe Mazula.

Yeah, possibly. Are they going to pick Joe or Jalen Brown? I think they're picking Joe. Should they pick Joe or Jalen Brown? I think they should pick Joe. It hurts me to say that. Even Bill Simmons was on his show talking about like, damn. He was like, as somebody who's always defended the J's and the fact they should stay together,

he said, maybe this is just how the league goes. And you give a guy a taste of first option hoops. And he just guessed that, ego in his head and has to be the guy now. Maybe trading is needed. I will say, finding the silver lining in things. If the gap year raised Jalen Brown stock so much, we can just trade him one for one for Yannis, maybe it was a great year.

I don't know. I don't know. Silver lining. I wonder if they're going to trade him. I really don't know. They obviously don't need to, but they very much could and we'd all very much understand. Yeah. Very, very interested.

That's so fucked, man. Ego's man in basketball. That's so crazy. It is Jalen Brown. He's intolerable. Yeah. I can't stand this live stream shit, man. Yesterday, I had to say something.

There's an inconsistency and it's there. You called me for all these offensive files and that's not the reason why we lost. But SGA is about to win his second MVP with the same move. You stay with Shay's name in your mouth. He does. He's on it, just bouncing. He cannot go three months without saying something about Shea. And it's such a dumb comment because, like, the answer is you are not Shea.

If you were as good at the other stuff as Shea, you could do that too, because it's harder to guard you. Like, it's so, it's not a good point. It's a shameless lane point to hear from your star player that you don't like to hear as a fan. And it's not even smart or clever. It's just pandering because you know the live stream viewers watching you hate Shay. So they're going to be like, yeah, yeah, yeah,

W. Wobherst, you got it. She is shameless. Raising up a whole cult of dummies, Brian. It's dumb. What makes it even funnier to is that he made it seem like, yeah, like, that's why he gets his MVP's. He's allowed to get away with this stuff and I'm not.

And he's not saying that, but he's alluding to it because he knows if he gets fuel that fire the live stream chat will big him up like it's so fucking silly it's the only way to describe it and i saw yesterday and i didn't believe in when i saw it that his assist the turnover ratio in the in the series disgusting point nine so more turnovers and it's yeah more turnovers than this is you don't believe that i completely believe that from jane brown yeah have you have you seen jenn brown play basketball for the last 10 years i was like not what it's not it's not just dead even i'm sure that's happened another playoff runs too oh it's like come on man yeah that's not the first one

That's not the first one. I think in 23 alone he had like seven turnovers in game seven. Yeah, that's very believable. God. Anyways. So yeah, at the very least, just like banning him from Twitch. Put it into his next contract that you can't stream. I told you.

We have to shut it down. It's so bad. Get rid of the go live button, man. I'm tired. Also, wasn't KG supposed to be on the stream with him? Yeah, it was originally it was supposed to be an IG live at 3.30 Eastern. And then like 30 minutes later, he tweets out, oh, we're pivoting at 730 on. Twitch. Not without KG.

Kid you're like hell now. You're not going to attract me into this. If you're going to ask me about shade slopping, I don't want to answer that. Yeah. Yeah, okay. So obviously I think we have serious questions about Jalen Brown and about Derek White. Yeah. Who is the most disappointing player on the Orlando Magic?

Probably Jalen sucks. Yeah. Oh, 100%. I think he's going to be traded this all season. And not because, like, he's been, he was so bad. But if I was in a domestic, I wouldn't necessarily want to. do that because I'm not sure if Anthony Black is necessarily ready. He didn't look the best, but he also wasn't the worst player out there for that series.

But you just can't exist with having two guys and Franz and Paulo and having John Suggs run around shoot like 29% from the field. Like that's a non-starter. You can't you nuke any chance of possibility of you guys winning it. 29% from the field. I do think they'll trade Jailen Suggs. I don't think it's smart. Yeah.

I think that's the button they'll push. because they have to change something. And what have you done for me lately? You shut the bed. You shot 29% from the field. And we can't have you, Franz, and Palo was all not good shooters out there, right? I don't think it's going to be something we look back on

and be like that was a great deal for them. I agree. But it's like their only pivot and that's still like the only player for real that teams would want to jump on. Apparently the one that we can't speak about, but okay. I mean, who's going to do it? Listen, this is a discussion-based platform. Hey, man, Janus is on a trade block.

Who's going to do it? What they want to do that? We don't think teams are smart and proactive and think without emotion. But the option's there. The option is there when Yannis is available and you have a certain young star that might be a good one for one swap. Would that even be worth it? For who? I think for for Orlando.

To get Yon-Sys for Baltimore? I think your team's amazing. It would be such a good out. Dude, with this, depending on who they're in ex-head coaches. I actually, I'm unsure that they would be like, like, obviously they would be better because Janus is a better player, but I'm unsure that it would be like, oh, yeah, they're, they're top two

in the Eastern Conference. I don't know either. I don't know either, but like, it would be a smart move. Yeah, dude. You're like, you're basketball hell right now. But like, if you, if you do that, Fron still can't shoot,

Suggs still can't shoot. And then Bain, obviously, is good. Yonis can't shoot. So like, you still have, you still have. You still have. Get a shooter. Okay, okay.

Then that, trading Palo and Sugs, I think is very different then just trade in Palo or just trading something. Yeah, you can do whatever you want after that. If we're blowing it up, we're blowing it up. And I'm on board. Yeah. We can get there. Because I do think like that four of

Suggs, Franz, Bain, Palo, you're not getting to a conference finals with that. That's not going to work. You should change whatever you want. But the idea of Franz and Janus excites me a little more. Yeah. You know? Now, they're not going to do this. We're just talking. We've already fired Jamal Mosley. All of y'all sell your houses. Everybody can go then. We're just talking in theory.

They're not going to do that, obviously. They're not going to trade. They're a cornerstone player right now after he playoff rose again for a few games. Jay's Richardson, break your lease, man. Jets Richardson. He said, break your lease. God damn. You can go to.

Jay Howard, you can break, you can break your lease. They're not bringing him back. Yeah. No, they turned down his final year option. Exactly. Yeah. He might have a couple months left on that. Just go.

Break your lease. Hit the property manager. Yeah. This ain't happening. He's already taken. Jamal Kane, hit the long-term Airbnb. No, he can stay. Long-term B-A-B.

Him and Anthony Blacking me in the long-term Airbnb. The next person that... Y'all ever tried looking at those options? I've looked at it. I've never... I got out of curiosity, yeah. Yeah, I was in the tricky situation one time. Could not afford a long-term B.

Let me tell you. See, I think Jalen sucks is the most disappointing relative to expectations. feel how you feel about the guys up top Jalen Sugg is the one that you want to see better from and change it might happen because of it Toronto I was going to see Yacopertil he just fucking sucks now

he just cooked I think Brandon Ingram was pretty disappointing in terms of players that people have expectations for it nobody's out here expecting better from Yacquitl he's just cooked Ingram people want to see him do better when you make an all-star this season oh for sure and he average 12 points tough and he got hurt it's because he missed a game

that neutered his averages because he played like eight minutes But even then, too, when you watch the Tartero Raptors on the court with or without them, this team varies. It feels like a completely different team and they're better without him, right? Like, they're far better without them. Better without them. Yeah.

I mean, they're better in the series without him. It's, if this team's going to do anything, they need that role for the on-ball score to be good, right? Feels like the Ingram one was a swinging to miss. It just, to get the most out of a Scotty Barnes co-star, you need someone who can either pressure the rim or shoot threes. The fact that he does neither. it's so hard to be a mid-range specialist. You have to be so unbelievably consistent and ideally gives more passing value

that just feels like that's not going to go anywhere. But they're stuck with them. They just paid them. Nobody's going to trade for branding them right now. Everybody else saw the series too. So I don't think there's anything to be done about it other than hope next year is better. Hope the shooting outside of those two guys is better

and you can just get a better version that's closer to the best version we saw in the regular season. But I'm not very hopeful, honestly, about that duo. He scored 20 once. And it was on 6th of 23 shooting. He just can't jump anymore. Dang, he took 23 shots to get 23 points.

Yeah, and it's bad. He can't jump. Like, he can't drive and finish the rim above any type of contest anymore. It's just straight, no room pressure, no threes. Yeah, it's not a good problem. It's not looking. Is there any team that would,

that's desperate enough to trade for BIA? Yeah, if you give them picks. The Kings, maybe. Yeah, give the Kings Ingram and two first shot picks and we'll take them. Yeah. It's a long contract still. Like, it's not like it's an expiring.

Super negative. How many years? At least two left. Because the game a three-year extension, right? Yes. Really? Oh, yeah,

because it just kicked in. Yeah. So is it two or three years left? Because I don't know if this past year was the extension year or if it was the last year of his previous deal. But I believe the game of three-year extension. Oh, next year is the player option. Oh, next year's a player option?

Yeah. Oh, what the fuck? So I'm just completely misconstrued then. Wait. Time on. Never mind. Never mind. So 26-27 and then 27-28 is the player option.

Okay, so two more years. Yes. Two more years. Okay. And guess who's not turned down the fucking player option? Brandon Ingram. For $41 million. Yeah.

So two more years. Like I said, 100%. There's two more years left. So who would do it? No one. Stop thinking about it. Why are you trying to poison other teams in the league? Which have wishing Brandon Ingram on him.

No. Stop. Brooklyn? Fuck no. Fuck no. No. He's been to be a Raptor for two years and it is what it is. Yeah.

They have to die with all those bad contracts on the team. He is a raptor. and they will be a slightly better version of what they are this year next year, probably. Yeah, no, it's bleak. Who is the most disappointing player in the Atlanta Hawks in this playoffs? I was looking over at that series

and I was like, wow, man, the most shocking stat was that, guess who was our leader in blocks this series? Jonathan Camigley? No. I said. Cedem and Colin. Nice.

He led the series with 1.2 blocks, right? Nice. Absolutely fucking disgusting. Jalen Johnson average 0.3 blocks Yaku Kong Tony Bradley average 0.8. That's all. Tony Bradley was who been.

Please don't ever other than me please don't. Please don't, man. We signed him off the streets. So I don't think Jaylon Johnson was disappointing

because we kind of assumed he would eat his warts in this series, right? We assumed he wouldn't be too good wouldn't need to, you know, get used to being a first option in the playoffs. CJ gave you some moments.

It's to kill Alexander Walker. Yeah. I think with Jalen Johnson like overall and what he's supposed to be yes disappointing but we all expected it like you're right everyone knew and saw through his weaknesses and everyone kind of expected this struggle from someone who thrives in transition but for someone like to kill alexander walker to see like literally like half of his game get

neutered and to just turn into if he's not shooting three what is he doing offensively for you nothing which is kind of kind of crazy that's what's like super disappointing not being able to like break down defenders and really like show off the the new isolation skills that he gained in the offseason prior is massively disappointing. And that's like a non-starter in like any situation or scenario with him on the basketball court. Yeah. Okay, Portland Trail Blazers. Who is the most disappointing player here?

Screw Henderson obviously started that series off incredibly hot. Throw us some goose egg to close. Denny was Denny. I think Denny performed as you'd want. 22 points, six rebounds, 4.6 assists. League average shooting. Cool. That's what you probably expect from Denny as a first option against a very tough playoff defense.

Drew Holiday was Drew Holiday, you know, very standard. I think Tim Lord looked pretty good. Shaden Sharp averaged 7 points on 48% true shooting. And Donovan Klingen averaged 7 points on 36% true shooting. Which one of those two young players are you more concerned about coming out of this playoff series? I think if I'm from Portland, it's Shading Sharp. Yeah, you just extended him. And now he couldn't even get that.

He played 13 minutes a game in the postseason, right? That's truly crazy. That's like disgusting work. And he's damn near unplayed. that is easily like the more disappointing. Yeah, he's the latest young player that for about four years you get, oh, next year is next year, next year, next year, next year, next year. Why would anybody feel like next year is the year, Shaden Sharp makes a leave?

Also, extension hasn't kicked, it's kicking in going into next year. How many years is it? Four. Oh, love to see that. Four years, 90 million dollars. So I think for them. And with a cheap owner, they're going to salary dump his ass soon. For them, like, they put his ass in the cafeteria.

You have to do too. jobs earned that money. Facts. And a coach of Judy team, you got to earn that. They have like, you have Denny on the wing, you have Klingin who, even if his offense never becomes like amazing and he's just American Rudy Gobert. That's, you can work with that. But you can't though, unless he gets to actually be Rudy Gobert defensively, which in theory he's on the way, but like nobody becomes Rudy Gober defensively unless you're

like Hakeem Elijah and Tim Duncan. Like we're talking about one of the best defenders ever. Klingin has a long ways to go there. He's nice, though. I like him. I like it too. And you'll sell, you will sell yourself and you can live with that a little bit more than we have thrown picks and assets at guard after guard after guard to see if we can get somebody to consistently score for us, create for us. We gave you almost $100 million in between you and Scoot and Drew, who's 37 and Dame who's coming back from the Achilles. We still have no answer to who's running guard for us.

We still have nothing going on. And the fact that you've already committed this to Shady Sharp and that he had the playoffs series that he had, it probably isn't. They have one of the least interesting features to me, like one of the most bland features. Not the worst because they're a good team right now. But in terms of next year,

they'll be better for X reason. I can't point you to anything. And the worst team isn't in a league. I'll point you to the lottery. They're about to maybe get a top pick and they're rebuilding the right way, yada, right? This is the way to go though. The lottery's going to get changed.

They're going to be in the middle. Yeah, in 2009, when that finally comes into effect, they'll be eating. But by then everybody on this team that's there now will be gone. Yeah, do Donovan Klingin shot 30% from the field. Yeah, that's like, fuck, sunned. I'll just cling it. He's 21.

He's fine. He'll be here. 2029, yeah. Klingin and a number one pig in 29, 30% from the field, man, has a big. Yeah, both of these guys can be comus, disappointing player. I want to look at their draft history now. You're not going to like it. Denver Duggins, who was the most disappointing player on this team?

Is Jamal Murray or Nicole Yokic? I think both. Poster boys, Jamal Murray, looking at it, like, the further lens, it has to,

like, I think Jamal Murray takes that. No, I think it's Yoch. You mean to say poster boy with Nicole Yokich, but Jamal Murray's a real answer?

Yeah. I'm going Yokic. Dude, Jamal Murray was even more disappointed. I think he had the worst series. You're not the better player. Yeah, disappointing is relative to expectations.

So, Jamal Murray was worse, and it's a bigger problem because I think we can pinpoint that being a big problem every time they play the Timber Rules, John Murray is constantly getting locked up. So that's a real issue.

But disappointing, we can't really divorce itself from the emotion of it all. And Nicole Yolkich should be the best play in the world and having your 2011 Mavs series pretty goddamn disappointing She has a title now

like you just lost the title of best of the world to most fans. You lost, they don't have a back court. Their starting backcourt is out and you got walked down. They're not even walked down.

You were down 3-1. You got eliminated by Bones Highland. You would think back against the wall this type of game a team of Nugget should win and extend the series. Got game of Boat Island. I can't,

I can't respect that. I can't condone that. It is, it is extremely disappointing. And the direction that the Nuggets were going in last year, this probably would have happened, had they not fired Malone.

And obviously like they got, they got whatever boost that they got, everybody locked in for two months. It was like, yeah, we actually can do it and got to the second round. But for a, for basically two years now,

we've been looking at the Nuggets going into the playoffs and the ceiling. we've probably been overselling what the ceiling is for the Nuggets for two years now. You got damn, right. I feel like if Jamal Marie played like this at least 20% better, like they win this series. He was that bad. I doubt it. Honestly.

They got their ass whooped. They got their ass whooped. I don't know if 20% Jamal Murray does it, honestly. Can he give me 25% more than what you did, Jamal Murray? He was that, he was that bad. I think they won't, they'd go away with this. They might need a 60% job for Jerome Murray. They might need him to play twice as good.

Just be regular. They were they were aways, man. They were several players playing twice as good away from winning the series. They just got no juice from him at all. Fucking Nicole Yolkich, man. What a blight. Houston Rockets, most disappointing player in this series. Reed Shepard.

I think Reed Shepard currently is a terrible player. And that's something we have to grapple with after this playoff series that young can give him credit, had his strengths as a prospect, expected this year to be a year where he's a pivotal player. He was downright terrible in the series. and not in a bad matchup way. It was a fucking great matchup in many ways. They need your shooting.

Not in a poor shooting season. Maybe we can expect some variance. He just got unlucky. No, you are bad on both sides of the court in ways that aren't guaranteed to get better going to the next year. You're going to stay small. That's going to impact your defense.

You are going to continue to get picked on. You're never going to be not a target. And you haven't shown me that you're good at making up for that. Some small defenders have the skills to make it so it's hard to throw your guy at the ball because you're good at denying the pressure and like doing the small smart stuff

to make yourself not at on ball target. He's not good at that. Size-wise, he's not a good passer at all. Like, have you ever seen him make a good pass? He doesn't have the vision because of his size isn't a good driving kick playmaker, isn't a good interior passer, doesn't have a good enough handle

at the size to make up for the lack of pressure. He's building the worst player ever. Can't finish the rim because he's small and doesn't have the handle. Can't drive, can't pass, can't defend. You're a streaky shooter that needs to be an amazing, time great shooter make up for all those values he's prime he's currently not a good player

the my god Jesus this what I'm saying you say have you ever seen him make a good bad that's what an insult man like right now you got to put the ether uh instrumental behind that shit that was crazy I'm saying that because I love reed shepherd as a prospect he hasn't lived up to anything that we wanted to see from him in this series like it was a really, really not bad showing. It was a type of like hope killing showing for Reas Shepherd's prospects. Mm-hmm. That there's no reason for you to be a Rockets fan and going to next year

assuming he'll be better. Yeah. I think you see in vast improvements that aren't to be assumed. I think if you are a Rockets fan or come from Turkish descent, you're down right now. And I think like, I think Shengu for me is, is the one where, oh man, they don't have Luca. They don't have Reeves. You guys had had a win locked up. Right. Obviously, mistakes weren't like every single mistake wasn't made by you. Why are you not, why are you not dominating? Why are you not taking steps forward to fully cement yourself as this number one

option that you and your friends claim for you to be? And you have, if there was ever an opportunity for anybody, go out there and dominate Diomé. Andre Aiton for a series. Go out there and dominate Jackson Hayes for a series and you couldn't get it done. And for me, like, that's, that's a big, big issue. Can we ever acknowledge the fact that you're Andre Ait and just kind of good at defense? No, we're not going to do that. We're not going to, we're not going to be a post offender.

Yeah, we're not going to do that because also. Because we hate him. No, but it's not like, he's not really going to bear. Like, you're not going up against the best, the best post offender in the league. You are going up against somebody who, if you. You are that guy. If you are an all-N-B-A talent and an all-star, an all-star level guy, perennial all-star guy, you should be able to have somewhat success, not shoot six for 19, not shoot

nine for 20, not shoot tour dates in a playoff series. And what's so funny, too, is that no matter what way the playoff bracket's like, Philip shook out, he faced, like, the worst set of defenders. Outside of Phoenix, that's even worse, but he faced the worst set of defenders. You got the best-case scenario? Yeah, he got the best case scenario and he couldn't do it at all. And I've just like completely, the ship has sailed when it comes to Alfredson, for me.

So it's like it's not even worth talking about. The only hope that I had was Reech Shepherd. And yeah, I do agree. He needs to be in the goddamn lab with Payton Pritchard, man. He needs to look, look up and be like, who is like me in this league? Payton Pritcher, that's his best fucking shop. And, you know, Richard, he's still young. So if you tell me next year, yeah.

Reach up and come on next year and prove all this wrong, right? But he has to prove it. I'm no longer like assuming growth. And that sucks to be a young player and to have I can't assume growth anymore. I don't see the signs of you head in the right way. I'll be optimistic as hell about a young player if I can have any reason to. To kill my optimism, but a guy I like pre-draft, you have to stink it up in the series. That's how I feel about Sengun though, too.

I don't think there's any chance of like the improvement conversation with them. Me neither. But there is, it is at least, I mean, I'm not going to defend that at all with Shangoon, but at least you can say this is a bad team environment for a post score with the lack the spacing and no Kevin Durant. So at least there's that angle to give Shingun some credit. But I also just don't rate Shingun as like a future superstar or anything. So I'm with you.

Yeah. Yeah, man. Shooting 30% from the field and 29 from the point line. It's just a non-starter with Reed Shepard because that's all you're supposed to do. And again, we had Rui Hachamora picking on you every time because the size defensively. It's too many, too many seriously anchor weaknesses. Yeah, man. To be among the worst in league at three things at once.

You need to be curious. shooter. It gets crazy. He's not crazy. And there's a report a couple days ago that the Rockets view him as a Steve Nash that level prospect. He doesn't do anything in a similar way to Steve Nash. What the hell were the rockets and the fucking hawks on. Talk about some of my homes.

Fuck, man. Steve Nash is the greatest passage to ever grace this game. What is, Breed Shepherd isn't remotely similar other than the fact that he's small and white. You rather Castle or Rishishish. I mean, uh, uh, uh, Shepard or Rishishish.

Risha Shay because that's just like funny Rishap, it's not even funny It's just like damn There's a chance to the Ritchie Shepherd becomes an average player I don't know if I feel the way by Risha Shay

I'm yeah and it's just funnier Like if we're gonna walk away with somebody It looks like hey man I get some laughs with a laugh at Yeah Salana Rishishay Come on That's the same shit to me

Sounds better Salon is way more upside. I'm honestly taking salon just to see what happens. Just because if we can tap in a little bit, I'll see what happens. I'm taking a richard. There's nothing to see what happens at Ryssafe. Is he better than Anthony Bennett? Rishishet?

He's going to have a longer career than Anthony Bennett. Are you sure? Are you sure? How many years did Anthony Bennett play in the league? I don't know, but Rieshay played two minutes in the playoffs. Has Anthony Bennett ever sniffed playoff minutes? No. Bro, that's your number one overall take, though.

I will give Richie Shea credit because every time he got in the game, he was like, I'm going for mine. And he would get a shot of regardless if he's playing 30 seconds, five minutes. He did have some level of like. Dude, he's way better than anybody. He's out. He's out of here. I've even looked up his fucking stats. Get out of my face.

It's way better than anything. Fuck out of here. What's you looking at? Like what's the, what's his French he's telling you? But I don't. Brother, I'm looking at 41. 29, 42, and 35% from the field.

Get the fuck out of here. What was Rees-Shay? Oh, I thought you were doing research. No, that's Bennett. God damn it. Richie is probably not worse. No. I mean, probably not better.

Come on, man. Get out of my face. Get out of my face. What was I shoot this year? 45% from the field. 36% from the three-point line. Just average nine points. Okay.

Okay. He's way better. He clears Anthony Bennett's career. He's way better. It's not even close. Who these confosers. meant with an elite for four fucking years. I have them a lot to say he's way better.

I mean, listen, we only have two more years till we get to, till we get to that for reason. Our team is just ass, right? That's what it is. We don't know how it is. You know, not too much of mine. You could have to have Faw Castle.

It is what it is. I can't even say that either. It's just sad. All right, man, that's the end of the most disappointing players in the playoffs right now. Why don't fuck y'all always talk about wrist shake? Why?

What are you game from this? this. But you just mention them for no reason. Anytime, if the 24 drive comes up, get ready. You think we're, we think I'm supposed to get over it. You got to talk about so many other things, but it's just Rishishay. Like, you got to, you could have talked about how fucking Dillingham and Dillingham and Reed was like, so, they were supposed to be.

We talked about them fairly often. I just said, I just said, I just said, I just said, I just said, me shepherds not good at anything. What more do you want for me? What more do you want for me and Reed Shepard's Lander? Stop talking about Zachary. Stop talking about Zachary. Stop talking about Zachary.

you gain nothing from it. It adds no value. I feel like I'm getting pretty good value right now. Just like him. Pretty pissed. Fuck. I see the value in front of my eyes. Just stop.

Take it. Keep him alone, bro. Never the little one. He will always be. Always a little one. He's going to have a great year next year. Y'all watch, man.

I hope so. 12 points. Watch. You sure? I think he's going to have a good year next year. You said 12 points? Yes. Don't a bit $100?

Does it ever get 12 points? Okay. If we bet money on it, let's take that down to the cool like nine. Nine dollars? What he averaged this year? Nine. He might have on a different team. Nine points on a different team.

I thought he was trying to bet $9. No. There's a bet a box combo? Box combos are not $9. Oh, shit. He was tapped at. He was like, they're not damn $9.

Don't even joke about that shit. The question is not funny. Mad. It's not. It's not. I'm furious. How do you feel about McDonald's $3 under three menu? Shout to them.

What? That's the thing? Yeah. What do you get for $3? With doubles, with chickens. I'm seeing a lot of talk about Burger King McDonald's in my timeline lately. Recession indicator. So bad.

Recession indicator. We're so bad. A lot of people on Twitter are talking a lot about the McDonald's app and the Burger King New Wopper. It's literally recession indicator. I got a type of it. I did. I'm lying I did

You did To the Whopper I had a Wobber like last week Really? It was good I haven't had a Woffer a minute Alright be souls What are we talking about

Today's producer corner This is another fast one related Producer Corner Yeah Producer Corner time That's your new song? Yes I like it

So I really need to get into the lab And make this beat But Activity for it today Prompt for it today Let's put our tin foil hats on Oh, conspiracies. Yes.

What is a conspiracy theory that you believe in? In life? In life, anything. You know what I'm saying? Obviously, the rabbit hole can get deep. I got some lighthearted examples to get the blood flowing here. All right, let us go. Number one, mattress firms are a laundering scheme.

Oh, I believe that. 100%. I believed that 100%. I walked into there one time in my life. It was actually last year. Shit was dead as hell, right? I touched a bed. I like dust in here.

It's like, damn. What's going on? Yeah, all right. Another one of mine. The closed door button doesn't work in elevators. I think sometimes you're right. They don't. They never do.

They just close automatically, in my opinion. And when it's like spamming the button does nothing. Yeah. No, that's not true. It's real. No, some, they literally don't. Like, it's not an conspiracy theory. Sometimes they literally don't work.

I've never been in an elevator. Like, I know that the spamming doesn't, like, make you go faster or whatever. Yeah. But I've pressed it and it's closed like that. Like I've written the same elevator multiple times and it's closed as I pressed it more so than if I just did nothing. Yeah. I'm going to see proof that those buttons work. I'm going to need to be in the elevator with you.

I got you. I'll take you to my favorite elevator. We could try it out. Yeah, what is it? Oh, there's one at a moment. That was very nice. Why did he just freeze up on me? I didn't hear what you said.

All right, well, what are your guys conspiracy theories? I don't know. Conspiracy theory. I don't know why Don't know I was acting like he does have 100. Go on, start going. Nah.

We know he was going to buy NBC. You keep going. I mean, wait, what? What did you say? Keep going. I learned it was NBC. I don't, I didn't hear the rest. Um,

I'm trying to think He got so many He's freezing up Where to go with this What do I want to put my name to? I brought it up to Isaac earlier Apparently this is your bag allegedly Chipotle when they had their

E. coli scare that was government mandated What does that mean? Government mandated E. coli? They started going away from GMO foods. they were getting away from from big food they said no we can't have that e coli give it to them all of them yeah uh that's that's a deep cut he's clearly in the streets of the dark internet what was that how long was that that was like mid 2010s 2016 as soon as it

happened i was like i was not slick i know what you guys are doing man chippole's too much of disruptor in this field yeah i got to take them down ridiculous um obviously i do believe that that the draft lottery was rigged in in 84 and in a couple several other years. Do you think it stopped at a certain point, the rigging? No. I don't think every single year is rigged, but I do think that sometimes a little, like a fingers on. Why would they rig half the drafts and not all of them? If they had the capabilities of rigging it without being caught, why wouldn't they do it every time?

I think if you do it every time, then it becomes too obvious. But then rigging the believable way. Yeah, exactly. So it is rigged every time You just don't always know Maybe Maybe Okay fair

And you know what I've never thought of it like Respective Yeah I've always given them a little bit Of like credibility That they have That they're like you know what

We're nice guys We're not gonna rig this every time But it does make sense now So yes Every NBA in your have lottery Ever has been rigged I agree Why would you even open it up to a lottery

So you can have that power and influence So what do you think is the motivation behind this new lottery formation more rigging yes you can really do whatever you want whenever the odds are flat yeah when the odds are flattened you can justify whatever now everybody has has 8%

yeah bro Adam silver has a plan so yeah this could be a good one though I don't know I think the only thing that I've ever like really questioned and I actually went on like a mini wormhole I didn't fully dive in is like aliens are real you guys You heard about the

the scientists who just like disappeared and died or whatever and there's one lady who's like I don't have suicidal thoughts and she just disappeared and then she went on

this whole spiel talking about some like there's actual the aliens from aliens are here but the aliens aren't like guys from a whole other planet they're just us like 40,000 years from now

or something like that lizards is it that one that's I'm not a lot huh us but like 40,000 theory where we're lizards.

They call them P-47s. That's so lit. Yeah. That's so cool. You know what's crazy? It's funny you bring that up. Apparently the White House is about to release UFO files. I 100% believe in it.

Man, they're not releasing them files. Hey, listen, that's a whole other conspiracy in it of itself. But allegedly, they got the clearance to release them files. Just saying. One that I don't believe in, but I do think it would be very fun and funny. if it were true, if the moon landing was fake and there was just a studio that they worked out of, that would be hilarious. That's crazy.

I go to the White House myself, man. That's crazy. You're going to stand for the moon landing being fake? And do what? Charge it. What do you mean? Stepping through. Because it's a moon landing, okay?

Lie to me? Yeah. I mean, if it was fake, if the moon landing, if it was, bring me PXS right now. Yeah. Yeah. If the moon landing, like, was, if it was like, confirmed fake and like they were just working out of a, out of a studio. That is pretty big.

Like that is a big storyline that they've basically taught everybody since they were children. It absolutely would be. I just wouldn't be charging the way. I wouldn't give a fuck. Damn it. I'm like, damn it's wild and I wouldn't think about it again. I'd support anyone who does though. Like salute, you know.

I'd stay home. I'd say home. I'd stay home. Chathar our brave soldiers in the front lines. Yeah. I'm in the crib. Yeah. Go with the good fight, man.

Listen, if it came out today, May 7th, we'll go down in infamy. We're going up there. Over the moon landing. I can't trust them. We got that football helmet back there. I had that shit on. I'm pulling up. What else are they lied about?

But also, if we pulled up, we're dead. They're killing us on. You think we can have like a decent game playing? I actually don't think. I think 100% like if it was you and me and people. who are our skin tone and we try to make like May 7th a thing they'd see us from 30 yards away they blow us up before you leave the house yeah they're listening now you're on the list buddy down that's all the mic's everywhere they're tapped in they know what we're saying

I just think you're not serious I think you got anything not really realist at heart okay I can't think of anything I'm trying damn you're actually right they wouldn't We're fucking If you tried to do that offline, like, where are you going? They're going to see my first name. Be like, ah, he'd been playing. My last one. Have y'all ever been, has your thirst ever been quenched by Desani?

Desani? Yeah, Desani water. I think Desani gets too much hate. I don't think it's that bad. The actual worst water, the Nestle Pure Life, that's trash water. That water sucks. That's filtered water, right? It's, I don't know what they say it where it comes from, if it's filtered, if it's spring water, whatever.

That's the worst bottle of water. I consistently like, and I drink a whole bunch of different different waters I like to, you know, have my water palette be expanded. But the Nestle-pure life, that's the one where I will be very, very boozy and I'm like, I'm not going to drink that. Really? You won't drink it? I actively try to steer away from it. Really? But like, it's also very cheap.

So like if you go to like events or somebody's like handing out like selling cheap water, there's a reason why they're selling the Nestle water because they got it for cheap because it's bad water. It's not good. Bad drinks. Yeah. In my opinion, it's much worse than Desauntary. You think if I had three cups of water right now, no labels you'd be able to point out which one is Nestle? I think the Nestle, yeah.

I doubt it. The Nestle one, every time I taste it, there is something very distinct where like it feels a little bit as I as I drink it. As it goes down the esophagus, it's a little bit grainier than the other one. Graniar? Next first corner. Next Thursday, we're doing this. It feels weird. Right.

I don't, we're doing it. You're doing a blind water taste test. I normally don't like Desauntis. I mean, uh, Nestle. That's great. I don't think you call it out of it. I can call it. I'm confident.

You can call out Desaini? Yeah. Okay. Both of you are doing a blind water taste text next week. I don't. I don't know. Yeah. I'm coming with six bottles of water or four.

Maybe I don't want to do too many. We're going to pour them to cups. you're going to blind sip them all let's do this let's do this i've ran this test before someone literally last year they got all of them wrong they're like oh yeah i know exactly water's stuff yeah i seem to do like sodas and stuff you can probably do it with like dark sodas you know like pepsi versus coke water is incredibly tough pepsi versus coke i think is i think that's easy yeah how many brands of water do you have at home right now at home me i mean just what just the the costco one that's my that's my main one it's not even expanded man yeah i can get 40 bottles of water

at costco yeah For $3. Yeah, I know. In this test, I'm going to need some more variety, man. Where's the core water at? I do. If I'm out at a gas station, core water is the one that I go to.

But that one I like purely for Brandon. I just like the bottle of course. Like, I will admit to that. I just like it. Okay, sir. But like I tried. It's a vibe. Yeah, we were at the airport in Philly.

I tried Gatorade water. Yeah. You're right. They do so water. It was fine. Is it flavored? No, but they sold it in a it tasted a little bit different because they sold it in like the aluminum bottle So you got a little bit of that like metal is Gatorade is owned by Coca-Cola, right? Yes, I guarantee you that shit's the same as Desani

It might be they said it had like electrolytes in it or whatever That sounds like the sani. The sani tastes like it has electrolytes Yeah, I wasn't I wasn't sure So within brands if there's ever the same product sold under a slightly different sublabel, but it's owned by the same company? I'm company. That's the same shit. It's going to stay scammed in different ways. They put a little bit of salt in the big batch. Now it's an electric, light water.

Great. They got us. That's your conspiracy. All right. That's like, yeah, sure. They're selling the same product. That's just like capitalism 101.

They definitely sell the same product. And with that being said, that's produced a quarter. Yes. Let's get on to TikTok time. Yes. Welcome to TikTok. time. Today, we're not going to begin with a draft actually. Give us something else a little more interesting. I'm going to show you guys something we haven't done in quite a while, but we had to

bring back. I'm going to show you some NBA players with their hairs swapped with their teammates. We have to grade it A through F. Decide if you like this look for this player. Okay. You're going to see a player with the teammate's haircut. Then after that, the next slide, you'll see that other player with that teammates hair swapped. We're going to do back and forth a pair for each team. First off, what we got first B, B, souls? first one Franz Wagner with Palo Ben Caro's hair

A through F D It don't look terrible That's all I'll say It's not the worst Okay So for a white boy With Braye standards

You could do worse Yeah like If Obviously Don't condone this Don't go out Don't do this I do think

It would be worse If he had dreads Okay Brad you can live with I will live with it Don't know Brades a little better. Yeah.

Brage are a lot. Is it definitely a Travis Scott fan? Yeah. It's just music, man. Like, we all listen to it. You think he says the word? Yeah. I don't think so.

Has said it. No, maybe he has great respect for it. Maybe he does the side of aberration. I don't think he does. I'm so respect to your coach. Exactly. It's like a 2017 white boy that's like really fucks with you guys and the things you're doing. Dude, my best friend's black.

I'll give it a C as far as appropriation goes. It could be. Yeah, give it a C. It's not bad. It's cool. Also, this haircut, blue eyes like that, but I don't like that. Mom, I don't know. That looks like. That's scary. Who's that one? Who's that one rapper that makes a Republican rap that did that song? Tom McDonald's. He looks like Tom McDonald's. If you know, you know, you know, I guess. If you know, if you know, I'm sorry. If you know, I'm sorry for your loss. I do not know. It's destroyed. Yeah. It's the words music. It kind of looks biracial with this, too, so. He can get away with this, I think. Has me questioning his difference in a little bit. I'm trying to think of what you're looking at when you say that. He has like a fuller face. Okay.

Sure. Yeah. All right. Next one. Type sheet. Type sheet. Next one. Palo Van Kiro with Franza there.

Man, he looks disgusting. He looks. He just doesn't look disgusting. He looks disgusting. Yes. He looks terrible. This should never happen. Oh, my God.

He's going. Never happened. No, this looks terrible. He's just a man for Honduras. No. That's it. He looked Dominican. Yeah, he doesn't look to be a minute.

This is just a regular is a bad man. It's bad man. And you over here, he's disgusting. This should never happen. Horrific. Bro, he don't look. Mo does actually whole country

guys looking like this. They got a bunch of them. Yeah. They got a bunch of Horhe's looking just like this. No, I'm sure they don't look like this specifically. Yes, they do. They must. I promise you they do.

Bro, go to Brazil. You're going to see him 100 times. I'm going to Brazil to this. I'm going to see, bro. You want to take pictures and send it to us? For real, bro. For real. I get another scene.

This is a fucking F. Hell no. Hell no. Maybe it was better for like growing out more. Just hating on Central Americans. They're cool, man. I don't got no beef. What?

They're like me. They're us. We're all one for real, you know? All right. It's just terrible. Touch it. Maybe it could have been like styled better.

Now we're all just the world. We are the world. We are not the world. We don't see color all of a sudden. Okay. He looks like 50. Victor Women Yama was the fall in Castle's hair. I can see a friend dude looking like this.

Do you want to see it wouldn't be growing up? Dude, he looks like the worst NBA player ever with this hair. He looks like a money beats. Not that far off from what Moj said. He looks like a fashion kid, though. You said you can see a French kid doing this. Yeah, and they all go to Fashion Week and wear wide pants and all this tidy shirts.

Like, if he was to have this haircut, I'd be like, wow, man, like new gen scylla Bissiere. Like, he just looks so bust ring all over him. All right. So this is now the goal of our summer. We just have to travel the world and see if we can find these specific people. We have to go to France and find this guy. I'm going to give it a B though. I don't think it's terrible.

Maybe it does make him look less serious of a basketball player for some reason. You're saying it makes them like bust the Jason, I guess. Low-coded. B. It's not a terrible haircut. It can work. Why do you examine that a little bit? It looks like a grown like Jaden Smith or something.

Yeah, not a good cut, but it's a B. It works a little bit. You know what? If Wimby did this, I wouldn't hate it. New plan. Last 10 years, we have to go through doing analysis. If you come into the league with dreads, what's the bus ratio? of coming of being drafted like that top 15 top just lottery picks not if you have that haircut

are you are you a bus there's not a first of foremost I don't think there's enough like data for that enough in the lottery in the lottery I actually do think extended draft yeah lottery not the last 10 years I think over under 50 there's only like one guy in this year's lottery like Kingston Fleming I think he's going to be decent. I will do the research. Okay, we do the research. Get back to us. Yeah.

Next up. Ooh. Stephard Castle with Wembe's hair. Chopped it off. This is Norm Powell. That's like Jane McDaniels. Yeah. Yeah.

Exactly. Very soft. Very just regular NBA player. He just got hella attitude. Rotational player. Hell of attitude. Is it an upgrade or downgrade to his look? He looks like a worst player too.

So keep the hair? Yeah, she probably keep the hair. Adidas. Next one. Joella B. With Tyreta Maxi's hair. This is I get paid Udo, bro. He's on the Hawks bench and I was assistant coach.

Hasn't he had this cup before? He's had braids, but so this is what he's going to look like when he's like 60. Oof, man. When the hair line starts to recede, he still gets, gets braids and everything like that. So I guess B for like proper aging. But as for right now. You can't walk around like that. No, it looks like Hardin if you hit him with a bat.

That's Hardin now, brother. That's literally big Hardin, like you said. I'm going to D for Joel and B with Tyre's Max's hair. This is awful, me. Not an F. I'll go see. See. I go see.

Next up, Tyre's Maxie with Jovola B's hair and beard. This is a B-E-T character. every one of his features look so strong right now like the black on his hair looks so black this is that dude from insecure who's that second boyfriend he said oh uh daniel's like daniel's like daniel's like daniel's like dark hair big teeth sharp-ass chin it's either that or he's some just like disappointed stepdad from beat t bro so it's an actor yeah yeah with the with the bad budget though yeah with the bad hollywood budget Does he look too old for this haircut?

Yeah, he ate at least 15 years. I keep in mind, Joe Lombie's about 60 years than him. Well, I'll give it a C minus.

Kind of looks like Kel. Like who? From like Kenan and Kel. Kel. I'll give this a smooth C minus. I'm gonna give this a C. Looks like a real person.

Kind of looks like Mall from Rory and Mall. at us. That's crazy. Like mall? No, no, no, no. Never mind. I'm not saying he looks like mall.

Oh. But you did say that. Never mind. Never mind. Sometimes you miss on the jokes. It's okay. Oh, oh, oh, okay. Cock and I'm gonna'niple with Lamella Ball's look.

There is a dude on TikTok who makes jokes about, um, about kids from the suburbs, like cosplay in it. And he's, he's from, he's from Chicago. I don't know what his name is. He looks exactly like that. looks just like that dude he looks like crazy

dude he looks like that one white rapper from Atlanta I forget his fucking name a white rapper from Atlanta yeah well that is what he looks like so whoever you're talking about probably accurate

he looks like a criminal bro he looks like a low level petty criminal he looks like he sells weed and drives his girlfriend's car to go drop off he looks like

the worst type of low level who is him who is that I don't know who this is I forget his name is that guy even white yeah well no he's He's black.

He looks all vinyl. Yeah. That's him, no, it is not. I'm like a lie. You're missing today. What?

It's a miss. You're missing today. No, that is a miss. Yeah, this looks like the worst type of a white man I've ever seen.

He definitely stinks. He looks like those AI Mr. Beast edits from a couple of them. Good Mr. Beast. What Mr.

Bees? Oh, con concan nipple. I'm going F minus. Bro, the cross tattoo on his throat. That just makes it so much worse.

so much worse can't tolerate the tats the tats make it he put it in red too it's like ah man yeah those are lamello's tats I know I know

I have holy throat lamello ball with con's look he looks French he definitely yeah he looks like like he's from over there he looks Italian too

do we like it this changes everything about him man it's a different person entirely you wipe the tattoos off of him too it's concadip was entire look It's like Franz Wagner or something.

Do I like this? He's just a good boy, man. I don't know. A good boy. It doesn't like violate anything. Like, he's a good Samaritan, man. He drives a speed limit? Good boy.

Good boy. He said he looks well-behaved. Yeah. So he's not a basketball player. He's like a cyclist or something. That's a soccer player for sure. Yeah. Yeah.

He's in, yeah, he's in the World Cup. Yeah. From world country. Yeah. Probably Italy. I'll say France. One of the two. He's too light for France's national team.

Lamello ball andino. Do we like it though? Is this worthy of a good grade for the look? Yeah, I give us a B. Yeah, he could be a real person. I would say B plus. Yeah. So you want Lamella B to look like this?

No. It's been words in your mouth. It's not what I said. B plus so you want him to look like this. Okay. So you like that. So you think he needs to clean up a little bit. I was like, do I need to be clear with my words?

So you want him to be proper? You want him to speak clearly? Go pod, man. Go ahead. Don't put the camera on me. I do not practice that shot. I'm passing up that opportunity. Oh, next one.

Time about, time. Next one. Oh, no. We got Nicole Yolkich with your mom Murray. Yo, what is this? Crazy. Short beard. Ooh, fuck, man.

I've never seen his head look this squarish before. He looks kind of dope. Shut on. He looks like caged black hair. No, he does not. Don't? He does not look cool. I need to see this.

This is like Addage of Jaze. This is a Brazilian man. There's a white. Brazilian man. He does not look dope. Yo, I got nowhere. It's real. It's right now.

Motors fire? This is a 2K character. This is a 2K character. This is not fire. No. This is a real personal. Very real. Seen this before.

You've seen it before? Where? Atlanta. Do facts? He had no pride in saying that. Obviously, this one dude on TikTok. Who's from about? Atlanta who people are like recording him in parking lots and he's a white dude that talks like

you close your eyes you would never expect to see a white dude and people are like oh he's so funny yeah that's what he looks like yeah some of them has got face tattoos and shit yeah got a ski mask in his pocket hanging out for no reason yeah okay so if nicoe yoke just in Atlanta and look like this well great we give him i'm gonna give it a C I'm giving it an ass real you know what this looks like it looks like white druskey it does that no I'm giving white Drusky in A plus. Next up, Jamal Murray with the Kolokis.

Yo, that's a Spencer Jones right there. Oh my God. Yeah. Shit. That's crazy. It looks like some NFL player too. Looks like a fullback. Oh my God.

He looks like a fullback. Yeah. That's a new person, bro. Yo, he looks like a wrestler. It's big and mad physical. Zero skill. I can definitely imagine seeing him at a pickup game I like LA Fitness

Yeah Walking up to everyone bothering you You want to run? Want to run? I'm like, No. One of me one. I'm like looking for a double chin

That isn't there for some reason I don't know I'm going D here For realism? Let me give this an A. For realism A plus next up Yeah

Jared Allen With James Hardin's beard and hair This is why no one takes that damn team seriously, man. It's cheeszing all the time. Sweet. He looked like he works at a grocery store, real person. Super nice guy. Yeah, great guy.

Super nice guy. He's really pivotal to the community. I'm going to give us an A. Yeah. Yeah, I'll go A. We need to cut the beer just a little bit lower, but we can go A here. I'm going to give this. This one.

It looks like a SpongeBob character. He really does. I don't know, bro. He looks like a cartoon. Like we drew the beard on. Yeah, I'm going to give this one a D. This is a kid with a fake beard. That's what I'm saying.

The beard is too high. But if you trim the beard down a little bit. But that's how high it is on James Hart and two. Different faces. It's okay. But if we were like legitimately trying to make this work on Jared Allen, we're good. No, fuck no.

We can never. No, we can never do that for Jared Allen. Why? He said, fuck, no. No. Damn. I'm giving this an A. With the Afro?

I'm giving this an A plus. I like the look. He looks like a guy who drives motorcycles and I like him. He works on cars, man. He looks kind. He's kind in the face. I like him. Next up, we got James Hardin with Jared Allen's look.

You know, what is? This is just Ricky Hardin. That is Ricky Hardin's chin. It was pulled from a picture of Ricky Hardin. That's the Afro so small. That's Ricky Arden. Rick your heart with a pro A plus

A plus No That person existed No man Not like this Dude his mouth The nose don't align He got John

Before this picture Looks like he has like an underbud Or something Got John He did James Hardin's teeth Before he got into the league That was like

His first purchase He got his teeth His mouth It's shifting In his mouth He's fucking slapped He talks from the side of his mouth

Oh This is not good Hey Jared's ice cream Chicago Chicago The worst NBA player I like it I am not playing for

Darrell Moore Oh next up Is it J.B. Not This is a regular person Jalen Brown with Derek White's haircuts There is

too much head though going on. It's too much. Do you think Jaylor has too much head? Come on. It's a lot of head, man. There's a lot of skin back there. Like, it's overly exposed.

I don't know. Overly exposed? Overly exposed skin. Doesn't that go for like every ball person? Yeah, but it's like heat. Are you saying bald people are a walking target? Because they're always exposed. It's an easy target.

Well, everyone said they want Jelan Brown to embrace it. Do you like it? It's not a bad look on him. A plus? Yeah, I give us an answer. This is just Jalen Brown in like four years. Yeah. I see six once.

Next one, we got Derek White with Jalen Brown's look. What is this? That's fucking. That's Garrett Temple. What's that? You know that's Gary Temple? He still got a job in the league.

Good for you, man. That looks like fucking Carlos Boozer. It does. Anybody who doesn't have a beer that we put just like a full beard on him? Yeah. Yo, this thing is a brolic. That's crazy. No, this is Carlos Boozer in a Hulu show about the Bulls.

That's how they make him look. It would be a small guy that's not thick enough. Doesn't have the right skin tone, but has this beard. It's like you're being Carlos Boozer for Halloween. Clip season three. Get on it, man. Miss Casset, man. He has so much joy in his eyes, too.

He does. He's so happy. Because his hair line is back. Poor guy, don't know. It's not going to last two days, man. swooned off yeah you're used to those videos of someone that's like clearly

their hair's fucked and the barber like saves their life and they're happy as hell that's what that was having a great day I'm safe I'm safe for now right next one

yo we got B souls with Jason Tandem's haircut he looks like ish from the Joe Butter podcast I don't know why big ish But you look like, what's her name?

You look like North. You look like Northwest when she tried to dress like Condé for Halloween or something like that. Oh, no, she goes like Kaisanaat. Kaisanaa, yeah. You look like a 12-year-old girl dressed like Kaisana. Are those really my cheeks, though? Pause. You tell me.

That's how you look. Man. I look kind of good, though. I'm kind of glazing myself now. Hold on. You're definitely giving out bad financial. on a podcast right now. No, most definitely.

You look Puerto Rican. Also true. Kind of look like Tatum. I kind of just look like Fat Tatum. He's taking it too far, man. No, that's that. That's just me. Damn.

Damn. Damn, damn, I look good. He said, do I need braze? Would you get braids one day? Nah, no, I can't do that. Why? I guess some appropriation allegations. I'm good, man.

It sounds like Moe was giving me. you the blessing. Yeah, trust me. Anybody have harm with you? They got to go through me. I got you. I'm good. All right, next one.

We have Moe with Tray Young's hair. Oh, man. Ooh, that's tough. That's bro. Yo, I'm homeless, bro. I'm on my ass. What's going on on that, like, left edge? I don't know.

This is really Trey. Fuck, man. He's to cut that damn beard. He fucked me completely. like the hair's the hair it goes unevenly on the top of your now the beard honestly is saving it I don't think the hair is where it's at you're right

yeah the right side being too too long it's crazy yeah I think if you just had the beard and you were bald with this I think I think you can make it work but that hair is very singular to Trey Young I don't know if a lot of people can pull his hair off I just look like a bad criminal man Like I don't get me with anything

Don't got no job Is there a criminal? Yeah Your hair got worse And I look like Look at my beer too It's so bad And I don't do anything good in life

At all Bad You don't shoot three is good Don't shoot three is good Don't pay no defense I'm not in the league Hell no Damn

Super hell no Otherwise if you had a regular hair You would be the league Yeah Yeah naturally F Last one We have Donovan

With Kobe Bryant's hair It's just your daddy, man That looks exactly like his time You don't have to complicate this And this is why I've said plenty of times Y'all will never ever see me like that You'd rather go to Turkey before that

Yes I'm taking a week off If you guys see, listen In like three to four years There's just a random week in the summer Right where maybe even two weeks It's like oh where's Don I don't know.

I'm in Turkey. I'm over there. I'm getting a vacation out of it. I'm not coming back. But you got, you kind of got some lighting in the back, though, so never mind. You don't even look happy in the picture.

Because I'm bald. No, I understand. I wish you. Don't worry, man. I'd be pissed, too. If you weren't worrying that fucking beach shirt, it would look like a mugshot.

You look so mad. You're going to play. that you're held against your will I look like I'd be saying Wallahi You're a taxi driver You look Dominican as hell It's me and Ack in the bodega

Just testing recipes Sloping sandwich Hey Halaloni brother With that being said It's exactly like you're dead It looks exactly like your dad. Are you going to say your dad looks terrible?

No. So you got to give it an A. He ain't got the beard. Hmm. So what's that mean? So it looks bad than your dad? I don't know. This is not real. Not real.

I got to go home, man. I got to see these people. A plus. No, this is enough, man. I wonder if I'm you said my dad's chop. No. you.

So you said my dad's shot? I got to see him too. I did say my dad's shots. I did not say it. I wonder if I'd be higher on it if you were just smiling. You know what I'm saying? Like maybe the vibes would be better.

Like he looks like an anti-bald campaign. The face of me, anti-bald. It's a rogue and commercial. Me for him. So you're saying Kobe's hair shopped? At that time, yeah. It was so far back.

All right. All right. Take this off screen, man. And that's the last one. You got to put you in here, man. What the hell? Everyone got their legs off. They'll get creative and make one.

Chat. Make one of Isaac and send it in Twitter. They have a ball. of you. Make another one. Yeah. Make another one, chat. You got to get these looks off. Whose hair would look craziest sides? Craziest.

Jeremy Lynn when he had those Asian dreadlocks. I was singing the Mohawk would be hilarious. Birdman? Yeah. The Mohawk would be fucking hilarious. Did they make a picture of you, Baldwin? Mm-hmm. They did.

I remember. I don't think I can't find it fast enough. You printed it and framed it and gave it to me. The fuck? I did. Oh, I did. Yeah. For Christmas gift.

Yeah. you still have it I have the picture on my phone No he doesn't stop Yeah do you have that still or no I fucking doubt it I've moved since then I'm sure I threw it away

Fuck Donate to Goodwill Somebody out there's a picture of me involved Next thing we're gonna do We are gonna try to do An 82 and O draft together This time drafting NBA players

From random years and random teams We did this as a draft separately Now we're gonna try to do it together And see if we can build the perfect team Okay. So spin this team. We'll pull up the rosters. Beesoles, hit it first.

First team. 2009, Phoenix Suns. Steve Nash, right? Yeah. Yes. Cool. I'm pulling up the exact roster,

2009. The 2008-2009 season. Yep, you had Phoenix Suns. Steve Nash. Last year, Shack, or one of the last years of the Shaq? We take your Steve Nash easy. 34-0, Steve Nash, though.

Amari? Steve Nash wasn't in all-side that year, and he played 74 games. Yeah. He still had 16 and 10, but... Shot 44% from 3 and 52% from the field. I think we can get Florida General Steve Nash and surround him at stars.

Actually watch Steve Dash might be perfect because then we're gonna have a guy who doesn't need the ball in his hands. He can... We're gonna get some star scores, you know? Yeah. So, yeah, let's go 34-year-old Steve Nash a point guard.

All right? That's a good start. Yeah, it's not prime Steve Nash, but he'll do. All right. Next team. Here we go. Team number two,

2024 Pacers. Fuck, we just took Steve Nash. No, this is perfect. Halliburton is six-man. We always have a Steve Nash variant on the court at all times. If we get star scores, they're getting fed 48 minutes a game. Okay, bet, bad, bad, bad.

Easy. Perfect. Yeah, we're eating right now. We're eating good. Next team. Are we gonna do it? Are we going to eat, no? We've never done before.

Fuck. This is the pre-this is this prime Sam Hickey era. Fuck, man, we're going on. Wasn't Brett Brown the coach this time? Is Drew Holiday here? He might be. And Iggy. Potentially.

You have Drew and Iggy are here. Ooh. Then we probably want An Nicole Avusovich, by the way. Iggy's the All-Star. I didn't hear that. Iggy was seventh in D-P-O-I and All-Star. Put Andre Goddala at our small Ford.

Small Ford. Okay. We're eating. You know what? Iggy as Small Ford works. It's coming together. We have all the elevators. We need the star scorers and we're cooking.

Okay. We have the perfect supporting cast so far for a Kobe. Hit it. Please. Give us a superstar, please. We're building it well. 2013 Cavaliers

Kyrie Yeah, Kyrie at the 2 and just tell him Go cook That's fine Our defenses Yeah, maybe we're better off one for coach Who was a coach at this time?

I forgot who the coach was right after 2013 Cavaliers the coach was Byron Scott's Yeah, no They won 24 games this year Hell not I think Kyrie at the 2 might be the play We're not going to need to know

what Kyrie is the two at 20 years old. At 20 years old, Twain and 2.2 point for game score. Yeah. Unless you want to start Hallie and put Kyrie out the bench? But also, no, I don't really want to do that. But that's okay because we don't have 26-year-old Kyrie where he feels like the team needs to be his. But the team does need to be his.

We have Iggy and Steve Nash at 34. Not yet. We're about to get some star front court. We're taking Kyrie regardless. Are you sure? You don't want to go coach and wait for a more better-fitting shooting guard? You want Byron Scott leading this team? Hey, if we have a good enough roster, Steve Nash can lead the team.

Byron Scott can hold that motherfucking clipboard. Hear me out. Steve Nash as the coach. Worse coach than Byron Scott, by the way. I think we should go coach and wait for a, we need a superstar shooting guard. Is it illegal to start Halley and put carry on the bench? No. I think we should do that.

I don't know. Halle's not a good fit with Steve Nash either, though. So both point guards who need the ball in their hands? quick passes 20 year old Kyrie Irving I don't think we need 20 year old Kyrie Irving We don't need them

There's players better than 20 year old Kyrie Man I'm gonna let you cook Okay I might regret it I might regret it We'll take this so 20 year Cary was good

But I think we can do better Damn okay we better have a fire six man Come on We need a fire shooting We need a superstar score 2013 Kings Oh my fucking God Oh wait was boogie there yet

Has to be But he wasn't like great yet Yes, but he should be booked. 2013 Kings, man. Yeah, now we're cooked. Oh, this sucks. Tyreek Evans. They have Isaiah Thomas.

You know for a year. DeMarcus cousins. I guess we got to pick 2013 to Marcus Cousins, who was averaging 17 points per game. Yud. 23 years old, actually no wrong name. 22 years old, averaging 17 points per game. I guess.

Buggy at our center. Hey, we have Iggy. Help of the defense. We need a great defender of power board, though. Okay. We need a superstar score, a shooting guard, and a good defender of power forward. We need a generational.

Power forward, man. 2013. And they gave me Kevin Love, fuck, man. 2013 Timberwolves. Yeah, guys, this is not going to be an 82 and no team. This is tough. We lost. This is not going to be a profitable thing.

Kevin Love is still here. Yeah. At his beat. At least, right? Got 100 carolingo. Yeah, 26 and 13. But if you have Kevin Love and Boogie, like, Iggy is the only person defending anything. No, this is 18 points per game, Kevin Love.

Yeah. Miss K. Love before the leap. All right, 24 y'all Kevin Love At our power forward. 18 points, 14 avon to game. Oh, come on. Give us a superstar shooting guards. I don't sell us.

Give me Kobe. Kobe. 2023 Celtics. Hey, Tatum, a two card? Okay. J.B. No, give me Tatum. Hey, 2023 Tatum is better than 20-year-old Kyrie.

I didn't sell us. That's first team all-in-bbae Tatum, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. I just don't like the way this shook out, man. If we got a better defender than Kevin Love, this team would have been filthy. Not going to lie. Steve Nash, Tatum, Iggy, Love, Boogie.

Yeah, I love. Howelley does that 802 and O? It's not 802. It's real close. It's not. Our defense is a 71 team. This is a great team. It's a 71.

Tatum and Iggy, that's a good defensive start, but Kevin Love kind of fucks us. Yeah. Pre-all star Kevin Love fucked us. There's three bad defenders. The most pivotal positions, yeah, we're cooked. Ah. And we have a bad coach. And we have a stupid coach, yeah.

But we have an amazing six-man. Our offense is going to be unstoppable. Is Barron Scott going to think to let Hallie do what he does? Steve Nash got us. We have a coach on the fort. No, man. If we got Jaron Jackson instead of Kevin Love is a Duno. I hate this.

It's tough. Can't say we don't got spacing, though. Oh, we have hell of spaces. Mad spacers. Our offense is crazy. Defense, though, man. Cripling, bro. K-loving,

buggy, just food, buffet, 24-7. At least I wasn't wrong about Kari. I'm glad I didn't come back to buy us. Now, we try to build an 8-2-0 team. Next thing we're going to do,

we're going to redo it, do the same exercise. We're going to spin that wheel, see a random team pick a random player from that random team. Putting through point guard through center, six-man coach. But the goal now

is to build an 0-82 team. Let's see if we can do the inverse. Can we build a team that wins no games? Spin that wheel. Who's a, the first team of. No games.

No games. 2009. That's exactly. That's exactly where we needed. Perfect starts. There were asses here too. Yeah. So this is 2009.

They won 24 games. That's what I like to see. Love it. Calvin. Calvin booted for this team, Sebastian Telferry. That's rookie Kevin Love. Rookie Kevin Love would be a funny way to shout out with no games. Oh, wait.

Time about. At the two, we got Rashob McCann. Oh, let's go. We got Rashop McCann. We got Rashon McCann. Let's go. He's a difference maker. Mr.

Out the mud himself. He's right here. He's a great way to start to win no games. It's going to be the opportunity to go get your 81. Let's do it. Let's go.

He scores 81 and lose. Oh my God. He shot 36% from the field this year. 2023. Dallas Mavericks. Dwight Powell. Dwight Powell holding down the front court would be hilarious.

Let's see. Who else on this team? Might be a bit too much. They have a really terrible young players at this time. Maxi Gleebue. Faku Campazo is on this team. He's too feisty. He is too much hard.

Theo Pinson, a small forward or Frank Needle Quina point guard? Theo Pinson. Or Frank Nile Pinson point guard? But Theo Pinson's vibes coming off the bench would be tough. That would be tough. All right, Theo Pinson's six man. Yeah, that'll be tough.

We're getting straight podcasts by the way. It's so true. It'll be funny if we landed a podcast every round. Let's try to see me a podcast every round. Next spin. Give me a guy with a guy with a podcasters, by the way. the mic please 2011

uh Washington wizards john wall wizards okay no one was not a podcaster but he does do media uh is there any podcast on gilbert arenas is here

he was yeah he guess we play for this team John lawn oh that's information we can go China at center oh that's my god

that's a first stretch four 2011 There's just a lot of bad players and team obviously We're talking about What the best robins Kirk Heinrich It's Nick Young is there

Nick Young is there I mean do you not want to pick your guy Mo Mo you mentioned them several times In the show who You just said it your guy The First Stretch 4 Oh E Gianne I don't know

I don't know I think we should go Nick Young at the three Maybe you see your dude Damn Mike baby played two games for them I think as many members of Gil Zerina that we can get I think we Oh yeah you're right

We said we're getting all the podcasters trying to win no games. Nick Young at her small four. There you go. Yeah. Okay. That works. That works.

Perfect. Okay. Next thing. It's funny, Gilber Rinas is on this team too. I know. 2016 calves. Fuck. Delo double holding down a point card.

Hey. Chene fries right here. Oh, yeah. Podcast. Let's go. Jenny fry. You road tripping. Hell yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You are we going to successfully get all pods? And guess what? We're still sticking to the core of this. They ain't winning no games. Next up.

You know, this is amazing. Okay We gotta get a coach With a 2019 Utah Jazz Should I resmond this or no Yeah spit it again I can't even tell what it is Okay

All right Next up 2013 Rockets Ooh is Patrick Beverly here Or is it too early I think he's too early I think he might be there

He might be He is He's here He's there Pat Bev is here Another podcaster Pat Bev at point guard That's great

Guess what He's not even to be there Wait time about Can we secure This 0 and 82 we put Pat Bev as the coach We put Pat Bebvre as the power for No, no, no, no, actually

If we really want to secure this 0-82. Dude, this locker room is also disgusting as well. Yeah, they'll be boxing. The whole team listens to Pat Bev and his offense. But let's see if we can get a podcaster coach, actually coach?

Yeah. All right, we need power forward and coach left. Okay. Can we go 0-82 of pots with podcasters? 2013 calves. Can we just take the guys? Terrible team. Okay.

Do they have a podcaster? Is the question? They might. Let's see. I don't know. 2013 Cavaliers. I don't see a podcaster. Oh, fuck.

Okay, let's, do we take their coach? Wait. Got to pick AB. Biner's Scott's a coach. Do I see a podcast? It does. No. Does Tristan Thompson have a podcast?

No. He was on reality TV. He was on reality TV. It was on reality TV. That is true. He never did a pod, though. No, but I think that counts. I think being that close to a

to a Kardashian counts. It might have the same amount of reach. If not more. If not more. Who else is on this team? He probably tried to launch one before. Who else on this team? We might have to.

Sean Limison of a podcast? No. No. You never know. He works in the league office. Dion Waders ever have a podcast? D.O. Waders ever had a podcast? That feels like he would have had a podcast.

I'm going to Google Diann Waiter's podcast. I'm telling you. Tristan Thompson is our pick. Oh my God, he did have one. Deion Waders? Yes. It was called Field of 68 after dark. After dark?

Yeah. Whoa. What's he talking about? Where do you see that? I don't know Paul Pierce got an after dark podcast too. Freak. Oh no, that's not his right. He just showed up there.

Yeah, that's what I said. I don't see anything. Who's in that mode and was like, I need to hear Paul Pierce right now. What the fuck? Him. So, the only way just never had a show. Do you just want to take a coach? Let me make sure.

Who's their coach that time? Yeah, we probably should. Byron Scott. All right. Byron Scott again on both teams. Is this not the Anthony Bennett year? Am I tripping? Wait, did Byron Scott have a podcast?

He works on TV, doesn't he? Oh, no. Oh, he does. He do be on pods. I think he does have a podcast. Dude, Byron Scott has a basketball podcast called Byron Scott's fast break. We can put Byron Scott at coach and still have all podcasters.

Let's do it. Let's go. What's the next team? I'm so glad we thought to look at that. Byron Scott's, Fast break. Power forward. Last player.

2009 clippers. Okay. Now we can't go Blake Griffin because he's too good to go 0 and 82. Mm-hmm. 2009 clippers. See, Marcus can be. Damn, who's on this?

Marcus Canby, Ricky Davis. If we put Baron Davis at the fourth? Oh, that counts. That's a bad team. Does that count? That's a pretty bad team. He shot 37%. You would have.

Zach ran off. I think he's too good. On the clip. I don't know, just, you know, he had 20. He had 20. Yeah, it was 21. Yeah. Now, they did win 19 games that year.

So I never fucking knew. With him scoring 20, so we could say that. Also, that's a landing in the Blake Griffin, right? Yeah. But a Pat Bev, a Pat Bev, Zach Randolph picking a roll. Okay, well, listen, Baron Davis does not play Power Forward. We put a point card of Power Forward.

We will suck. And he has a podcast at one point. Barron Davis is our Power Forward. He was on Jermont Show. Yeah. And he's, he's stout though. He can, you know,

you can muscle up. Yeah, yeah. There you go. And these are all podcasters, 082 team. Can you imagine a big ass room, seven different mics with all these guys? Cinema.

The most cantorous thing ever. I need it. Pure cinema. They're going to see this. You didn't even play the game. I don't even understand how you could talk about my career like that. Who are you? It's like,

We just give anybody mice these days, huh? Yep. I'm not putting it down. Now what? O.J.N. Nobi has been diagnosed with the right hamstring strain and will be day to day. Okay. Could be worse. Could be worse.

Does it say what grade? Oh, actually they said they're going to put him in hospice care for his hamstring. All right, brother. Okay. No, it's day to day. It's nothing bad. Okay. So it's probably grade one.

Yeah, if that. Grade one's like week to week. So it's probably just like a very light strain. He's all right. If you're trying to hope to live. Don't play him in game three. Well, I'm sure he's not going to play game three. They say he's questionable.

Yeah, that would be shocking. What happened last time, it would be shocking if you tried to push him through to play game three. Yeah. Next thing we're going to do, the Athletic recently did an NBA player survey in which they asked the NBA players to give them the most underrated and overrated players in the league amongst other categories. We are going to try to guess who the players picked for the top five was underrated, overrated, And like I said, several other categories. Okay. Beasol's hasn't pulled up.

Let's see if we can guess them. And after that, we'll react to the full list. But first, see if we can nail the top five. All right. Let's start off with the most overrated NBA players. I think we'd start in the most obvious place. They certainly said Rudy Gober is overrated, right? He's my number one pick.

He's going to retire being on every overrated players list because the players hate him. Yeah, he's my number one pick, easy. Is Gobert on here? Gobert is on here. He is on here. He is at. I don't know if he's number one. You think he's phased out in?

Number one territory? Probably, yeah. The wolves weren't that good. Whoa. He's always top three. Number one is Shay on this list? Do they hate on Shay like that? They hate on behind closed doors.

Are you think they're going to say he's overrated? Is this an anonymous source, though? Yes, it's anonymous. I think players respect it. I think Shay might be top five. I don't think put Shay top five. Maybe he's like, maybe he's like 15th or something. I don't think they put him top five.

I think they respect him enough because the MVP. Yeah, she's not here. Players respect him for sure. He is not in the top five. Yeah, that'd be crazy. No. Do you think they're not, turning on Kevin Durant, are they?

They're going to respect Haiti forever. They would never turn on. Yeah, they would never. No. Grim on Green? Nah. He talks so much, many players have something to say about it,

but he's a winner. What is, is Tray Young still? You think Tray is still on this list? He barely played this year. At that point, is punching down. Why would he be on this list?

Yes, he is. Oh my God. For what? Three. Trey Young's number three. Who the fuck pulled him, bro? Who the hell voted for Trey Young?

His team traded him to the Washington Wizards. They traded him to the worst team to the league and you're still going to call him overrated. I think we're done with that. I think he's rated now. Yo, whatever players voted for him,

they got some real beef with Trey. This is the whole Nix roster. Just victim. Okay, so we got Rudy Gober and Trey Young. We need somebody that made maybe like a quick rise up the ranks. Because maybe people are just hating on that. You think they're hating on Austin Reeves? Fuck, no.

There's Austin Reeves on here? Laker? No, he is not. Okay. No Austin Reeves. Is Amanda Thompson on here? Are they hate on him? Nope.

Shangoon? Why would Shangoon be here? Sengoon is number one. Oh! Wow. Whoa. Hey, the players cook. The players no ball.

Wow. Big Goon. The players no ball. They know hoop. They know defense. They have bronze back. That's crazy. They say everybody in the league can talk.

Not you. Not you, though. Wow. You don't say that. If Shingun is here, it's Paulo here. Yeah. Yes. How he's here?

At five. Whoa. The players are starting to be awake and right now. The players no ball. That's crazy. I didn't think he'd say that. I thought that he'd give Apollo credit because he's like playoff riser and gets buckets and stuff. Yeah.

Okay. But now, the players said not, get back and rotate on defense, buddy. Switting the Rockmore. Is Jot on this list? No. Close, though. Jerry? Jaya is close to the top five.

Okay. Is James Hardin here? No. Okay, give us a hint for number four. Donovan. will have strong reactions. Is this Janele Brunson? No.

Carleton towns? Yes. Okay. Cat number four. Interesting. The players don't respect cat? Interesting. To me, this is just the most hated list.

Pretty much. Yeah. That's really interesting. But you know what? Overrated? Besides Gobert. That's crazy. I get it.

We're at the point on Gobert is obviously not overrated anymore. I kind of get the list, though. I think they mostly cooked. Yeah. All right. Next category. Well, show us the full overrated list on the site.

Show us to who else got votes. All right. All right. Here is the list for the most overrated players. One second year. All right, here we go. This is the whole list. Got some gobert,

Colbert, Trey, Cat. Oh, John was tied with Palo. Yeah. Okay. I'm surprised Denny wasn't. Denny's number seven. What was he, Tyrese Halliborne there? No, I'm surprised he's not like Tyreys Halliborne played no games.

Why is he here? You can still be overrated. For what? He didn't do anything. That's overrated. It was a hyper. That's crazy as hell. Beep pods.

Pete Pards is here. B pods and Everett Moby being the same level of overrated. That's funny. Two percent of those. Dude, I'm being players loading on this. Somebody voted Siacom and Scotty Barnes. Someone who,

that most be players were bad defenders. Seacum. Bro, that got to be a Nick player who did that. That got to be a Knicks player who did that. Sabonis got on the list. Yeah, he's lucky he didn't play much. No Celtics players. Let's go.

Who is this? Pure hate. Come on, man. Scotty Barnes is kind of disgusting also. Yeah, how could Scottie Barnes be overrated? No one talks about the Raptors? Yeah. Pajemski here is so hilarious.

That's so good. They don't like them. Tyler Hero gets a vote. Respect. Okay. Sure. Most of his list makes sense. Not surprised that this is a group that the players are all kind of like.

Shengu ran away with this. Yeah, that's crazy. And you know what? It's correct. Does he talk that much? I don't know. Yes. No, he does.

Yeah, he's a shot her. There's a reason LeBron said what he said. Yeah, no, he's, yeah, he's, I think he does a little theatrical. Like, he does the flailing stuff while acting like he's above it complaining about calls a lot.

So that's the thing. Well, also not being like that. Like Luca does all that, but he gives you 35. Yeah. So, like, I can see why he's annoying to players. I guarantee Josh Hart had a vote and voted for Tuyves Howard Burton

and also fucking Tiaco. Guarantee. I guarantee Josh Hartville for Carltonty Towns. For fun. Yeah, I guarantee. Just a clown. Just fucking everything else. Actually, no, I think he understands

like cats a target so he wouldn't do that, he voted for Brunson. Makes sense. Josh Hart joked around voted for Brunson. He knows better to attack cat because he knows the stigma around him.

All right. Next category. Most underrated this time. Most underrated. Super respect. Yes. Okay. Underrated to league right now.

This is a nerdy pick. I don't think the players to say this, but is Franz Wagner on here? No. No, he's not. Okay. No Franz. Okay.

Jaylon Johnson on here. You know what, Mo? Yes, he is. He is at number one. Whoa, it's crazy. Okay. You know, first time all-star of the players all said he deserved it. It makes sense?

Yeah, there's a clip of Yolkich. He was interviewed right before the Hawks game. And he was like, yeah, I like watching Jalen Johnson. He feels like a little deer running around. Just figuring out of his powers. Yeah, it was hilarious. He said, Jaylor Johnson's game is cute. He's Bambi.

Okay. Is chat on this list or J-dub? Nah. The player, The two envious of the Thunder to put him on here. Nah. No, no thunders in the top five. Is Stefan Castle on here?

I bet players love his branded defense. Nope. Surst surprising. Assar? Nope. Is somehow like one of the rookies here like Cooper Flagger Khan? No, let me let me say this as a hint. I would be very happy with these picks.

Jailen Brown's on here. Ew. Jalen Brown. Or pay and purchase. Yes. Jalen Brown is at. Ew. Is Derek White on this list?

Yeah, Jalen Brown is at three. Okay, yeah. Not my list. I wouldn't say that. But, okay, I understand why players respect the season he has. Players definitely are always going to respect somebody elevating the first option when they weren't doing that before. They're always going to respect that. You have former players on TV saying he's the fucking MVP.

Like, yeah, that's how to get respect. Okay. And Donovan actually got another guess. Derek White is at two. That makes sense to me. That makes total sense. Okay. You think Eric Gordon is on this list?

Did you say Eric Gordon? Aaron. Oh. You're about to spit on him. Most underrated players. Eric Gordon. Okay. Aaron Gordon.

I think coaches would definitely say Aaron Gordon. I want to players will. Yeah, is Aaron Gordon on here? Aaron Gordon is not on here. Okay. That's a coach's pick for sure. Talking about players who rolls this past year is Nikkel Alexander Walker here.

No. Maxie, maybe. Tyrese Maxie. Tyris Maxie. Yeah, he's a good option. Nope. No? What?

Players stripping. I gave us a hint. Give us a hint. a hint. Oh, I'm still very, very happy with the rest of this list. Tatum? No. Is it Pritchard? Yes. Payton Pritchard is at five.

Okay. That's respectable. Yes, Peyton Pritches is kind of It's just a glazed list? It's a straight Celtics. Two Celtics is nasty. The players just love the Celtics. Is it me as Kada number four? No. Samhous. Y'all are still on the right line, though.

I ain't going on. What? Right. Motherfucking Jordan Walsh. Let me say this. He's a former Celtics. Oh, former Celtic. Robert Williams? Very recent though. Very recent.

Very recent. Droliday, yeah. Yes. He's routine. Yeah, okay, he's always underrated. Yo, this is a Celtics Glaze Fest. Jaylon Johnson.

Fucking four guys for Celtics and Jaylon Johnson. All right. Who else do the players give votes to? Yeah. And then the rest of the list is so here we go.

Okay, Nikola has underwalkers here. Austin Reeves. Oh, okay. I'm telling you, the players really respect when players have to elevate to bigger roles and awesome reasons i love to do that early in the year without luke and lebron i love sense i love chris done okay brandon ingram colespe's on this okay that's fair i like that jada mcdaniel's very real oh g's mentioned yeah oh j me mentioned seduce bay yeah

resurgent year okay now we're looking at 1.3% of the votes quit in grimes this is looking this is what's for jordan miller this means one person voted for them so it's just their fucking friend or them. Or them. Who's stopping you from writing your own name down? I bet Ryan Rollins wrote his own name. I guarantee you Ryan Rolls wrote his own name.

That's funny. Okay, I respect it. It's a little bit of bad monobiles on there. We're getting one vote. I've just coordinated. Bam. Just one vote. Was Asia Wilson actually.

One single vote. Exactly. All right. Next category. Most impressive NBA coach. Impressive. Joe Muzula got to be. Joe Missoula is puppy number one.

Yes, Joe Mazula is number one. Yeah, makes sense. Absolute masterclass season. If only it transferred to the playoffs. Absolute astroclass in the playoffs. J.B. Bickerstaff has to be on here as well. Got to. Yes, J.B. Bickerstaff is at three.

Is Spolster on this list? What? Spolstra is on this list. He is at four. You guys are on fire. Yeah, it's just like a coach of the air ballot, essentially. Yeah. So what patterns are we seeing that makes a player be impressed with these coaches?

You think your team should not be as good as they are. Do you think players are more impressed by like X's and O's coaches or like work hard? Is E-Mail on this list? Yeah, I'm sorry, are they impressed by E. Hell no, they got to hate E-May. E-May is not on this list. They're impressed by E-May telling him he's a bitch, lock him up. Is J-J. J.J. Radic on here?

That'd be funny. He should be. No, he's not far from the top of them. Okay. I think Jordan A. I might be too dirty. No, Jordan, I got to be on this list, I think. Jordan is at five.

Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, Jordan. You think Steve Kerr still gets a spot being grandfathered in? Nah, I think everyone's like, man, I could do his job. That they're not depressed at all. Yeah. He did Camiga dirty. Man, I don't know about that, but yeah.

You know the players, Sao Kaminka and that beef? Players would. Players fucking would. Cam Thomas is like, yeah, man, they did me just like. Number two, who are probably blanking on someone off, John Mosley? No, no. Y'all are mad overthinking this. Doc Rubers.

No, it's Mark Dagnol. It's Mark Dagnol. Okay, yeah. Doc Rivers. I was going to see. And they cooked here. This is probably the five, the top three is like the best coaches of the season.

Yeah. And their exposure gets it forever, Jordan, not the newcomer. This is a perfect list, honestly. Okay. Yeah. This is the rest of the list. Mitch Johnson should have been on there.

I think Charles Lee should have been higher. For sure. David Adelman. Will Riley. Well, Hardy. Oh, Riley. What the hell? Out of 146 votes.

Okay. We're Kyle. Didn't get a lot of votes. It's surprising. Tyron Liu, I thought people would expect him more. It was a gap year. Yeah. E-May all the way at the bottom.

Receive one vote. E-May Doka. Hey, Mike Brown mentioned. Mike Brown mentioned. Tyrone Loo should have been higher for sure. Remember when everyone thought Quinn Snyder was like a genius? Yeah.

The game passing by. Rudy Go Bear Merchant. A lot of those late 2010's coaches were genius at the time. Shit changes real fast. Now all of a sudden, Mike Boontholder isn't too smart. Quinn Snyder isn't too smart. Yeah, I'm glad Brad Stevens got out of their question. Tyron Loo.

Tyrone Lose another one. Yeah. He's still solid. He's still solid. He adapted. He adapted. He adapted. All right.

Next. Least impressive NBA coach. Doc Rivers. Yeah, 100%. Doc Rivers is at two. Ryan Rawls stuffed the ballots. He made sure. The Doc Rivers got a lot of votes.

I may Udoca. I think the players if I respect him a little bit. He may actually is not on this one. Yeah. No, he's a work hard type of guy. Is Chris Finch on this list? Nah. No, no, no.

Steve Kerr here. Steve Kerr is. Yes, he is on here. Wow, the players don't respect to Curry anymore? They'd be like, bro, anyone could do his job. You got Steph, Dre. Curry made. Yeah.

Shit's easy. She's slight. You think they're hating on JJ Reddick? That would be surprising. No, they're not. They're not. I mean, I don't think this is really, we should have said this to first place. They definitely put Jamal Mosey on here, right?

No, they did not. Wow. They're not that tapped in. It should be. Respect. He's up there, though. relatively least impressive coach least impressive so

now San Antonio who's more unimpressive than Doug Rivers is Jason Kidd on this list Nah yeah y'all are thinking too good of names Who's the worst coach that's gonna be less respected than Doc Rivers? I don't know Who are these terrible coaches? The bad bad team man oh uh fucking what's his name Why am I blinking for the king's coach

Doug Kirsty Is Doug Christy on here? Doug Christie is on here though Yeah, okay. He had to be. Dock or Steve? I'm just making sure he is the Kings coach. One in five, one and five. Damn. Are these actively, like, tanking teams like that?

Yes. One isn't. One isn't. One is. Is Brian Keefe here? Yes, he is at one. That's unfair. I can't tell you a single thing about Brian Keefe. I'm not going to lie. I can't give you a defining trait of Brian Keefe as a coach. The only thing that I know about Brian Keefe is that his wife has, like, some, like, housewife show. and he'd be making appearances here and there.

Good for Brian Key's wife. Income, I love it. The more you know, dual income. Saloon. Oh, but yeah, listen, man, when you have 83 dropped on you, you're not very impressive coach. He's the face of it.

Five is a veteran coach at this point. Veteran coach, been here for a while, dog shit. Okay. It's past him. Terrible coach that has been here for a while. But I will say, his team's record is not dog shit, dog shit.

Yeah, but. It's Billy Donovan. You are correct. It is Billy Donovan. Interesting. Players don't respect mid. Yeah. Wow.

Interesting. Okay. You know that it's not his fault. I like one, two, and three. All right. Yeah, they're hating on the bottom, man. But one, two, and three, they did well. Damn, Brian Keith.

Oh, my God. Brian, see, I said, I don't know much about Brian Keith. He must be dodged. They must all know. They must be sitting whispers. He got 22% of the votes. That's crazy. There's a lot of the votes.

Nick Nurse, Mike Brown. We know what that means, though. They definitely remember 83. And they're like, had to other happen. That's definitely it. All right. He made JJ and Jamal. I got the same amount.

Okay. Mike Brown. People are starting to notice, man. I'm just glad Doc Rivers at the top. Fing it to get to the conference. All right. Last category. Best defender.

Ooh. Wemby? Yes. Uniteity number one. Yeah, Wembe's obviously number one. After that, though, you don't think it's going to be defenders that players respect. Ass. putting Chet on here.

Is Asar on here? No, I don't think they're put... A Saar has to be on here. Yes, he is at 5. Okay, Assar makes sense. Okay. But yeah, they're not gonna put... They're not gonna put Gobert.

No mind. Assar is not on here. Oh. Is Jani McDaniels on here? Yes. He is at 5. Okay. Assar is at 6, though.

Assar's at 6. Okay, sorry, six. So he's tied with Jamie Daniels. Is Chris Dunn here? Yes, Chris Dunn is here. Yeah, he got the... Interesting. He gets a lot of consigns.

Yeah. That makes a total sense. Probably, I'm sure, one of the more underrated players in the league to players. Is Drew Holiday on this list? Perpetually, he's going to be Drew Holiday forever. Drew Holiday is not on this list. Okay, good.

It's a good thing. He aged out of this part. He got votes, though. He got votes. Yeah. I mean, did they put Ridicobar? I doubt it. No.

Yeah, they're not going to find him impressive. Is Derek Ward on this list? Is Derek Ward is not on this list? Okay. Do we want to try Chad? Okay. Is Chad Homegren on this list? No, which I find crazy.

Okay, is Kason Wallace's on this list. You know what's crazy I'm looking at? He's not even on the list. They don't respect it at all? Damn. Kays and Wallace is not on this. Do it, but Lou Dort? No, wait.

Lou Dort and Kays and Wallace are on this list, not in the top five. Okay, okay, that makes sense. Oh, Caruso. Is Caruso the top three? Caruso is, no. Dude, he didn't get votes. No one are who didn't get votes? The players are going.

That's crazy. Wow. Wow. Wow. Okay, so they're all salty, but okay, say they all be fouling, man. Exactly. The best defender. Scotty Barnes.

Is he on here? Yes, Scotty Barnes is. at four. That makes total sense of players to respect him. You know what it is? He's just strong

as fuck. And if you face him one time as a player, I guarantee you they don't forget it. Is OG on this list? OG is not on this list. He did get votes.

Okay. Moby's not on here, right? No. Hell no. Better respect that DPOL. Darren Jackson on you? Yeah. I'll give y'all a hint.

It is a legacy pick at this point. It's a legacy pick. Yes. Dremon? No. Oh, Jeremy should have been a legacy pick at three. That would have made sense.

A legacy pick for defense? Maybe legacy pick is the wrong word. He's an older name though. Veteran. Veteran defense player. Is Paul Dorge here? No. No.

Oh, is this Kauai Leonard? Yes. Yeah, okay. Legacy pick. He can still strap up. He's still not a bad defender at all. Yeah. It's a legacy pick a little bit.

A little bit of a legacy. Yeah. Third best defender. All right. And this is the rest of the list. Look how big of the gap is. Wemby, Wemby, Wimby, Wimby, Wimby, Wimby, Wimby. That's outrageous.

And then Tumani-Kamara. 41%. Wow. And it's interesting because I want to know if they knew that they were doing a ballot. Because if it's just, hey, who's the best defender? Then it really should be 100%. But I guess everyone else was like... Yeah, I don't know if it says, I'm sure it says the top of the article, the methodology,

if it's, you give like a top five or what. Yeah. It makes sense. They fucking hate Rudy Gober, but... They do not respect Rudy Gobert or any of those OKC defenders, though. Yeah. Game's a game. That's nuts.

Blue got it. Blue got it. Yeah, they all got two. They all got two. Hey, shout out to Balal Kulubali, man. Kiyon. Yeah. People just born for the friends.

Wait, keep scrolling. Yeah, keep going. Evan Mowgli got the same about it. The last year's DPO. They don't like Evan, man. Belal Kulabali. Good for him. Damn, man.

They don't fuck that. Shout to Herb Jones still being in the zeit guys. You know, still around. Oh, shit. You forget that a year ago. year and a half ago. We say he's the best premier defender in the league. How fastening changed?

That's crazy. I'm really surprised Chris Dunn is having this much respect. He's elite. No, he's like that. Shout out Chris Dunn. Yeah. And that's it. Those are all the categories to hope.

All right. All right. Next thing we're going to do, I'm going to name you guys, all three of you, some NBA teams that failed, and you have to blind rank them one through five. Okay. So blind rank these failed NBA teams. First off, 26 Rockets.

By how bad they failed to just the teams? combination of both. KD wasn't healthy. How bad they failed, I guess. Steve Adams, Stephen Adams was out, Reverend Lee wasn't healthy. I think I'd give them probably a five because they got newts before the season

to start. So you think it's a respectable failure? It's not their fault. Man, you went into a series with no Luca, no Austin Reeves. Hope, you should have won next. I feel like just off of this season alone, you can argue it's three.

There's going to be all-time teams in this. I'm going to say three. I understand. We don't think about Shangoon like that. We don't think about men Thompson like that. This is an all-time sell. It's pretty bad. There's no Luca.

Yeah, you're right. It's pretty bad. Let's put this at three. They were down, they were down 3-0. I know. I know. You got nuked by Luke Knar twice. Is this a bigger cell than Denver and even Boston?

Yeah, I mean, this is the worst. Kind of. Yeah. Yeah. Because Denver at least played like a game with Ant there. Yeah. Luca was never there. Austin Reef.

Austin Reeves wasn't there too. You're right. Yeah, Austin Reeves wasn't there when they were going down. You got put down by 41-year-old LeBron and then DeAndreirae one-two-five. What are you doing? Let's go three. Minimilar. It has to be a top three.

Okay. 2024 sons. Nobody really cares about them like that. 2024 sons. That's in the first round. They got destroyed by the Timberwolves. Oh, yeah. And they were famous.

We all came up here. At least me and you came up here. It's all awesome. Yeah. They're going to win the finals. Their finals-bound team. They had Aton there still. Katie was there still too.

Booker. I think that was Chris Paul's last year. Got swept, correct? Yeah. No, Aiden wasn't there. They traded Aiden for Bradley Biel. Whoa, Bradley Biel was there? Yeah, that was the Biel.

Bradley Biel, Devin, Devin, Booker, and Kevin Durant team. Oh, CPS was in. Okay. Yeah, the first year they went to that team, yeah, the no Chris Paul, no DeAndre adieu, the three-star ball handlers, went to the playoffs. Everyone said, oh, they're perfectly built for the playoffs. Got punked by the Timberwolves.

Yeah, no wins. I'm sorry. No wins is up there. That has to be at two. Yeah, that's two. Top two failure? Top memory. What the fuck?

Swepped. Okay. 2021 Nets. It's just KD teams. Damn, Katie. He took them as far as they could go. It is a very respectable. Yeah, it is a failure, but like people were getting, people were getting hurt throughout

that run. It's not like they were all there together and they just lost. So we should probably go five. Yeah. Yeah. The most respectful of failure. Yeah. Crazy.

One of the best teams is not winning a championship. And Katie went out swinging as well. so five big ass foot only thing to stop them yeah curled them toes suck the no Tito it's okay it's okay

we want to talk about that far no one talk about that okay okay okay okay okay okay okay Kiti a break 2016 Thunder oh they do a 3 in one lead the fuck can we give Katie a break

pull that boat right out hell no ooh that's bad bro Katie that's one That's one For sure

We already have someone We had the Suns at 2 right Is it 2? Yeah we put the Suns at 2 Because they got no wins You have 4 and 1 left Yeah Honestly they're 1

It's a bad It's a bad way to go out But if you were gonna sell You lost to a 73 and 19 Like the wars are Being loose to a champion though True True

Is it at 1? You lost to a team That also was shitty enough To blow a 3-1 lead Katie That means you're as shitty as Dream I got suspended. I'm banking on the last one being

2016 finals. I'm gonna say four. Nah, this is a KD themed one, and this has got to be one. This is disgusting. He was shooting toward dates, but they're in the conference finals.

I don't give a damn, 11 for 28. Wait. Also, yeah, in terms of how bad they sold, because KD did play bad in three straight games.

He was ass, bro. He couldn't give him one game at all. All right. 2016 has to be one. Yeah. It's a big sell. Pretty big sell. Last one.

2026 Boston Celtics. Oh, fuck. We should have used them at one. Oh, damn. You know what? I'm fine with my team

being at four. It was a gap year. I'm not fine. It's a gap year. No. He did this guy with a hammer. It's a gap year. Let's get some pitchmarks.

Let's stone them. Let's put this guy in a t-shirt. What are you supposed to be here? Wasn't supposed to be. Yeah, we'll go four. Yeah. And that's that. Damn.

Last thing we're going to do today. How confident are y'all on your knowledge of white point guards? Decent. Decent. Comes a ghost. Not completely deep. I can name three white NBA point guards. All time.

All time. I can name 15. Damn. 15? Yeah. What a jump. Let's start real. Let's get raw.

Let's get nasty. Call your eyes. So go ahead. 15? You can name 20? I think I can name 20. You name 16? Can I name 16.

Yeah. B. Where are you going? I don't know. I'm making you name. You should name a lot. I'm worried about freezing up again. But low key, that may be a good clip, though.

I don't know. I can name 25. No, you can. What the fuck? No, you can't. No, you fucking can't. Whoever offense, run that. shit.

You cannot hit 25. Go ahead. Run that shit. I'd probably go give you the chance. No, no, no, no. Run that shit. You got it. You said 16.

You're good. 25. He said 25 for no reason. Shut the fuck up. Come on, go on. Go ahead. Give me a shot. Give me shot.

Is there a time limit? No. No time limit. But be fast, though, please. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Don't take too long. He's so. He said 25.

All right, here we go. Bob Coosie, Payton, Pritcher, Steve Nash, John Stockton, oh shit. Jason, Jason Williams, okay, Faco Campazo. Hell yeah. Okay. We're counting yours. Yes, yes, please. Oh, shit.

He's Argentinian, he counts. Yes. Wherever they're from. There's white people in South America. I'm at six. I'm at six. Especially in Argentina. No, I can't get.

And they might come from a certain place. I cannot guess. Jason kid Nope You're at six You're at six He said 25 Oh my god

You ask for this battle Fuck man 90s point guard Who's that 90s point guard You haven't named a single one playing today By the way Yeah he named Oh oh Luca

Luca Oh my god Seven Luca there's another White point guard This is getting spooky V This is one of the greatest Foles of all time

Again at this point Can we get to 10? The bar is lowered. You have three left to get to 10. White point guards. Damn, I really thought they'd start flowing by that. Oh, my God. You need some random these ones like five.

Pete Maravitch? Sure. Yes, sure. There's no, sir. That's hell yes. Hell yes. I got it out. So, yes.

Yes. Yes. I already said Jason Williams. Yes, that's eight. Mm-hmm. Is there another Jason Williams? If you need to, you can look at team logos if that helps you. Team logos, okay, okay.

That helps you pull up to the team logos. Hold on. This is horrible. You might have to phone a friend. Come on, man, you got it. Oh, Kirk Heinrich? Kirk Heinrich. Hell yeah, can't be Kirk.

Okay, let me just get to 10 at this point, man. 9.25. Come on. There got to be another white Celtics point guard. There's probably many. Probably many. 2010, 2012, 2012, 2015. This guy.

You're unfolding. I ain't go lying. You can't get to a 10? Why'd you unload the clip? I thought they'd blow, right? Why didn't you say 20? You want to tap in and give him 25 since you were so confident?

Let me. I could, I could phone a friend. Attack him in. You're good. All right. All right. All right.

All right. So randoms. We're all need. Cool. That's 10. Bino Udry. Cool. That's 11.

We're getting nasty right now. Tyler Kolic. Dan DeKow. Hell, yeah. I don't even know that is. former Hawks point guard. I have no clue that it is. He's a coach now.

Okay, good, good pull. Hell yeah, let's do it. You name Bob Cuisy, all the holes. How much is that now? 12. Yes. Got three more in me. Okay.

So Jason Williams. There's one notable one playing today. Maybe where we live that no one's named yet. Oh, yeah. Josh Giddy. There you go. And then did you name, you named Jason Williams already?

He's cooked too. No, no, I'm not cooked. There's a couple old you guys. Let me look at, let me look at logos. No, no. Matthew Delvendova. Yeah. Let's get it.

Oh, Pablo Brigioni. Yeah. Hell yeah. Add more to that. Yeah. Okay. Keep saying the name's wrong. It's our very part.

Bridgione? It's pre. Bridge. Bridge. Bridge. Keep going. Keep going. Bridge.

Giona. Let me look at more logos. This is all you need. Okay, cool. Can I go ahead? No white point guard on the Warriors. Oh, kind of. Yeah, there is.

Steve Kerr. Hell yeah. There you go. There you go. Hell yeah. Give me that. That's 14. Maybe there's another one that he's coaching.

White point guard. Potts is not a point guard. Colors is a point guard. No, those are two. I have a, combo is, aren't they like? No,

Tyler is not a combo. You think he's more point guard than pods? I think pods is pretty point guard. He just plays in Steve Kerr system. Tyler is not a like how much. No. Okay.

Oh, last one. Give me probably one of favorite white point guards of all time and I'm reaching my quota T. Jim McConnell. There you go. I don't know how we took someone to come up. There's Reed Shepherd if we want to count true this Mark Price there's Steve Blake there's so many Steve Blake yeah yeah I forgot about so many you should up me man I'd be so I got you to 18 can you keep going Including the ones Donovan said yes yes okay okay we do you we do you we do you mad lobs all right jerry west

Not a point guard That we can give it to him We play it more times Combo Come on Why are you being strict We can give it to him Come on

Come on Like seven years That's a point guard Come on Make it to me Pause Um She said pods

For no reason Yeah I said give Mows got a crazy No 2000s Who was in the 2000s I think there's a lot

In the 2000s Come on now You're at 18 Oh Oh Oh I guess 19 But Jerry Yeah

Why do I keep Go back to Jason Williams Bro my All right I'm going to attach you with five because I'm going to give you one more. Scott Sciles. And now five more.

Is the assist record? Five more. Bro, you asked for this battle. You wanted this. I tapped out the battle, though. Stop punching out of you. You grab the barrel and put it to your forehead. God.

Please. Show me something. Scott Skiles. Okay, let me look at these. I don't even know who it is. We're cooked. I got one more for you, maybe. I got a million more for you actually

Oh God That's not a point guard He was listed as a point guard Yeah but come on He's listed Well you know what If we let Jerry West slide Yeah Jerry was literally listed

As point guard too Jay West played a lot of point guard He was a lot of point guard He was two though Dude he has so many years He played point guard at times Arguing what he was in the 60s Come on

Sameless To be to be fair The 60s you probably did have more set roles than Yeah He did play point guard at times Some of those years You know I just help just finish it

I want you to get it he can't do it I can't do it He can't do it I'm gonna bezos tapps out of 19 With a lot of help He fucking failed man We got to 20 with help It's

You want a little Ty Jerome action Yeah Okay Could I could have JJ Barreya too Could have JJ Berea too Could have JJ Barreya Ty Jerome Okay

Here you said Matthew Delvedova Couldn't get to 20 It's embarrassing It is embarrassing Is Malachi Fleham black Malachi Yeah he is

Yeah, okay. Yeah, he don't count. Wasn't sure about that one. Come on, man. Damn, man. I had way too much dip on your chip. He said with this one for a little while. Yeah.

Way too much dip. That's tough, man. Do you have any final statements at the end of this episode? I apologize for my performance, man. He said 25, man. And what are you going to do about this to make sure it doesn't happen again? I'm going to research more white point guards once I get off. Next time we do this exact same activity.

I'll be prepared. We will never do this exact same activity. Damn it. Isaac. You look like you read kids' books for a living. Yeah. Wait, what? Look at this fit.

Looks like he reads kids' books for a living. So there's that. Nice good time stories. Yeah. It's another miss. It's time to wrap it up. Wrap this. Somebody wrap it up.

Everybody's trying to get a little something off. It's time to write this stuff, man. Things just come to me randomly. We'll see y'all on Monday. It's time to go home. All right, Kim Possible.