The Deep 3 Podcast - Every NBA Team We're Buying Stock In This Season | TD3 Live

Episode Date: October 14, 2025

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Yes, sort of. Someone said I got a soccer dad outfit. Do you? I wear a collar shirt one time. And apparently like a soccer dad, which is also very racially charged. Honestly, no, no, no, no, you know what you look like a terrible substitute teacher? Hey, no kids listen to you, bro. Shut the fuck up.

Do you think I'll be a good substitute teacher? I think you would be chill. Not me. Do you think you would be a good substitute teacher? Oh, me. No. I'd be terror. I'd be, the kids will love me, man.

But yo, here, we ain't doing shit. They're going to get no work done. Yeah, he ain't doing no work, man. What? No, I feel like Donovan would, they'd walk over him a little bit. They would try to. They would walk over him. They would talk so much.

They see Donna and they sigh. We're like, listen, when I get the teacher next door to stand in the room, you know, be like, guys, your teacher would not like this. Yeah. It's all funny games. So I started writing names on the board. Exactly. It comes in. That's funny.

I have never ever in my 15 years of teaching had a class act that bad with the substitute teacher. I had that happen to me all the time growing up. Yeah. Did I tell you about the one time I got a substitute teacher telling my leaving a note saying I was making racist to her? It was a Mexican lady. You were being racist too, racistly. We were saying that I was making fun of her accent because I was in class and me and my friend were just giggling a lot

because I had a friend in there and we just like weren't paying attention and for some reason she thought we're laughing at her accent because she spoke broken English because she was like Mexican. So what did you do? Like what was she was just bullshit and like I guess we like didn't hear we're like talking over here because she was like a meek substitute teacher I got a note the next day a teacher pulled me on the hallway

and she was like I heard you were being racist and I was like what? Her name was Ms. Gonzalez. What do you mean? My last name was Dutierrez. What are you talking about? That's crazy.

Yeah, that happened. That's hilarious. Okay, what am I going to? Oh, my gosh, man. That's funny. Okay, I had to change the chat up real quick. It was a little boxy. But okay, like you guys see, by the title,

appreciate y'all here listening to my, uh, racism accusation story. We are going to talk about the NBA players and teams that we are buying stock into this season. Really what I mean is, I had to put that because I signed a better for a title. We are here to talk agendas today. We're going to talk about the teams that we're high on. the players that were on, expecting a Star Leap, everything that we will be arguing for as the season goes on.

Who are you planting your flag on? It's one of your agendas for the season. Perfect. Because I do have a list. You do, good. Before we get to that, though, we got to do what we always do. We got to talk about the news. What is going on in the NFL?

I got two brains right now. They're both merging to win. We're going to talk about what's going on in the NBA. It's only right that we start by talking about the main character of the NBA. He's been the main character for our entire lives. We have LeBron James News to talk about, specifically. LeBron James is backhirts real bad and he's going to miss the start of the season with sciatica

Oh! Approximately 3 to 4 weeks is going to be out Probably missing the first 5 to 10 games at the season And just answers the question Does this change everything for the Lakers? Is their season derailed? Oh my God! Is this a sign that maybe the contract negotiation stuff that's going on in the summer

is leaking into this season and their relationship is broken? What is to be taken away by the old man having a nerve injury in his lower back? This is a nightmare. You know why? Why?

This means that now the fate of the Los Angeles Lakers rest and the palms of one Dominating He has to pick up the slack Austin Reeves Austin Reeves is going to be Who Austin Reeves is right

He might play a little bit better But he's just he's going to do that Luca he's going to do that The X factor The guy who needs to step up The guy who needs to lead the Lakers And let them Allow them to reach their potential

Being the top three seed In the Western Conference That's dominating It's officially over That's what that means The ball is going to To be in your hands, that two-man game with you and Luca, Star, that's going to be at the center of Crypto.com Arena every single night. I need to see it.

So this obviously is the first old man injury, I think. The first old man moment of LeBron's career. This is an injury, a sciatica, that happens to senior citizens quite often from bending over wrong and pinching a nerve. So hilarious on that note that damn, this guy's really, really old. The reason it's a talking point is because this story came out from Dave McMeneman a couple days after, where apparently LeBron is monitoring the Lakers situation while he is out. He said, LeBron's got to be watching while he's out. If they're struggling, that could lead to the next step.

When Rich Paul said the LeBron will be watching the Lakers every move, because the priority is to win, if they are not winning, maybe the bra might have to go somewhere else. I just hear old man babbling at that point, like leave him in his corner, but he loved, you know what I'm saying? Like, leave him there. So, yeah, obviously I think this is a little bit of a projection and like, duh, LeBron's going to be noticing the team like he always does. No shit.

It's not exactly breaking news. whether or not he has some like timer on the lakers given how they perform while he's out i don't know sounds a bit of a stretch but outside of it being dramatic it is worth talking about how this injury is going to like affect the start of their season yeah this is this aspect is very funny because it's it implies that like the lebron still has mad power yeah and it's like we we literally went through this the entire summer of of lebron and rich paul monitoring how the lakers were moving in, you know, that we have the story about that the Lakers are prioritizing Luca in the future. And it's like, oh, wow, would they prioritize their future with the 26 year old as opposed to

the 40 year old? I'm really shocked that that's happening. Yeah. We had all of that. There was, there was the pseudo, you know, LeBron, like, I kind of don't really want to be here. Who want me? And nobody really wanted LeBron because it's just hard to trade for LeBron in this, like, in this time with, with his contract, with the, like, weird evaluation of how you see.

LeBron being a player on your team in this season as opposed to giving up assets and all this stuff. So really, like you said, go sit in the corner, oh man, go watch your stories and just heal. Just get better because I don't think that whatever Rich Paul was talking about, like, of course, it's all just common sense. But I don't think it's anything actually revealing or anything that the Lakers should be worried about in terms of, are we going to change how we're moving up? You know, like we're fine. It's okay. Yeah. I think the interesting part is what does this have to do with their start of the season in their standings?

Because obviously this is going to be a season where we see the mid-come of more lucca-centric team on the court too. Even outside of the off-course, if you talked about, they're going to play through Luca. Increasingly more as the season goes on. We saw it last year,

but it was weird given the injury he was coming off of, given the fact that he got thrust into a team that was already existing. I am sure the majority of the off-season agenda on JJ Redd's board is how do we move this team closer and closer to what makes Luca work. Now I feel like we're going to have to go 1,000% into Luca basketball with LeBronga.

Yeah. And when it comes to Luca basketball, how do you imagine at least like the first week or two weeks, three weeks into the season, depending on how much time, depending on when he'll be back? Like, who's going to be filling up that spot? Is it Jake Laravia? Are you going to kind of go small and expect some like Mark to Smart? We haven't seen just yet. Or are you going to like go all in when it comes to Vando? I was going to look like. Chad, who do you guys want to see start for the Lakers in these first? Let's call it 10 games the season. Let's assume he misses that much time. I see all discussing the Hennessy. ad and how that affects his legacy. Let me know who you guys think should start because I think it's an interesting conversation because at one point this summer I was really not passionate but like preset and I think Marcus Smart

should start in some way that was before LeBron was out. I was thinking maybe he should start in place of Rui but now that LeBron's out I feel like there's an argument that maybe you should maintain that size and start Vanderbilt is you can make the spacing work with him in Aiton

who's like not a three point spacer at all but Aten's still like he has a deep floater he has a mid-range shot. He's not so he's not like a Gobernon shooter where you can't play anybody on the court with him that I can't shoot you can maybe make it work with Luca and Reeves being such good shooters but I don't know I'm torn still yeah I think because of the versatility that Aiton has you you have to keep you have to maintain someone like Rui who has size and can shoot three pretty well um I want to usher in

Vando to just like go all in on sides and hopefully if Vanderville who I guess in the past has had like inklings of being a decent passer and connector if he can go into that role, I think I'd be pretty comfortable when I feel decent about Luca carrying me throughout the first like 10, 12 games of the year. Yeah. Yeah, I don't, it's, I also don't really care like who starts just because that specific, that specific role with LeBron out is obviously going to be a rotating spot. And so you're going to, you know what I'm saying? Like, we're at the beginning of the year anyways. And so So JJ is going to be out there trying out different lineups, seeing what lineups work the best. And so you can go and start Vando and he could play the first five minutes and then, and then guess what?

Boom. What the hell? So I'm a line of me, man. Tell me why I went ahead and I looked up what is, what's injure called? Skadio. What the fuck? Try one more time? I don't even know.

I don't remember what it's called. Scatio. Scatio. What is it called? Seattle. Seatica. I looked it up and the first thing that I saw

was that it's when a sharp shooting pain, it's a sharp shooting pain travels from your lower back or your butt down to your leg. Someone said that Georgia Southern education Georgia Southern not even I wish but yeah it is an

old man injury for sure and I wonder if so I don't care too much if you misses five games or 10 games even which 10 games is kind of a lot So that's probably not what he's going to miss. Let's call it 5 to 7. I don't care too much about that as far as their long-term outlook.

But I do wonder if we're already dealing with this and there was kind of talks all summer that he is dealing with some small stuff and this is kind of like a continuation of that. Is it going to be like finally low managing LeBron like in a meaningful way? You know, they talked about the past started last season. He like rejected the idea. It was like this is some bullshit. Or was I two years ago now.

It was two years ago. It was Darwin. Yeah, it was Darwin. He's like talked about it. But now we're really an old man of Brown where you're having sciatica. I wonder if we really do see some load management and that maybe you should like affect how we view their like place in the standings

because I think for this thing to be really, really great you need like peak LeBron. Yes. This is what we were saying last year where like you can go into these series and like again I thought that they were going to run all over the Minnesota in the first round

and obviously that didn't happen. But I never thought that the Lakers were going to have a deep playoff run because I didn't believe that LeBron could be a that LeBron could be at his best for two months, right, two and a half months. That's a lot of basketball. And so even if you take that away from playoff basketball, and then you go to just the regular season of 82 games,

even guys who are 25 in stars, they don't play 70, 65 games at this point. It does not make sense for anybody to have the expectation that LeBron would play 65 games and that he would just be, you know, regular LeBron in that sense. Like, of course, he's going to have to be load managed. He's not going to be the same. He's 40.

He's going to turn 41 during the season. It was always going to get to this point. Yeah, I don't know where I heard this from, but I did hear LeBron. I don't know what platform he was on, but he talked about how his main focus is just making sure that he's healthy for the playoffs. And it feels like he's admitted himself to a degree that he is ready to just like beyond damn your cruise control for the entire year to make sure he's healthy for those 16 games in the playoffs. Did you all see the terrible last joke that Matt Berry?

We had on ESPN. He said, I have an idea. Maybe he could roll some Hennessy on it. And everything will be fine. This was the lamest joke I've ever seen on TV. He just, he thought he got a bar off. He's like,

got him. If you're like, he got it. No, he did not. He got him. The most low-hanging shit I've ever heard in my life. Of course, it's low-hanging.

It's like, you got it. Terrible joke. But yeah, it's because you're king. No, it's not. This is so late. I just not respect

to the gross of any. buddy if it's good exactly but I wonder if um yes you said to the point that it sounds like he's already priming himself to be focused on the playoffs completely but what does it actually look like like every time we said about lebron he still comes out on average 25 and even last year after they got luka he was playing off ball a little more a little more focus on defense rebounding was doing a lot of good stuff there still had the ball his hands a good amount like I don't know what it actually looks like for lebron to be focused on his body like is he going to buy into actually being like the draymond green role like everybody says

I don't know if he's in them. Like, there's only so much that he's going to do to lay off the gas, you know? Yeah. I honestly think that we always hear this, but this year it might be actually different because, bro, like, he's, he's going to be 41 soon. Not even 40 anymore. That's crazy. Yeah. And so, like, I think genuinely at this point in time, what's most important, this, who knows how many, how much time he has left.

I'm assuming next year he's going to retire. Who knows, maybe is this just this year? but I think because of the fragile state that the Lakers are in in terms of there's not too much room for error. You're not like incredibly deep. We haven't seen this team play fully at all during preseason, whether it be Luca, whether it be, of course, LeBron, Marcus Marisand played too. Darren Jaden has had some weird games when no one can walk away with real takeaways. It's so vital for him to like genuinely be there during the postseason or else they have zero shots. I think this year we'll see it.

We're going to see Luca play tomorrow, Tuesday in Phoenix against the Suns for the first time. That's going to be our first look at him this season with Aidan, no LeBron, obviously. I wonder how this is going to factor into the blooming Luca MVP argument that happens every single year, where it's always, this is the time where Luca finally takes that mantle as best player in the world, best guard in the world at least, as an MVP season. This would help the argument if he has to start off aggressively, opposed to trying to figure it out with the new system. He's not to come out guns blazing.

we we talk about it all the time if you want to win MVP great great first 2025 games yep great last 20 25 games it's about the bookends and you just do it do whatever you want from from December to March that's okay before October and November also have a good Christmas day game and we're we're there we're so we're so in there to get to get the MVP I I like it for for Luca and for his case also to go back to what you said about um lebron and the Vermont Green Roll. I actually think he'll be fine in that. I actually think that he will embrace it because I do think that throughout his career, LeBron has shown that like he'll do whatever he needs to do for the team to be successful. And for a majority of his career, that's just been, oh, I just have to

have the ball in my hands. So, and even like at the tail end of the Cleveland years, in the regular season, we saw LeBron not necessarily be a defensive like goon because he knows, like okay have to save energy for the playoffs i think it'll probably be the same thing here where he conserves energy he picks his spots in which he's already been doing for the last you know two to three years so um i i trust i trust lebron to do what's you know needed in that sense and since they have awesome reeves still like i think luka and reeves especially it's only seven to ten games that's enough ball handling that's enough scoring points that you can make do now they have aiden and they have uh jackson hayes they have two competent centers for 48

minutes like they have the skeletons there that i still believe luca ball can keep them like above 500 without too much of a struggle they have a pretty favorable start to their season it starts off pretty easy so i'm not worried about it for the lakers i think there's some silver linings for lucca getting going fast some silver linings for aetan getting going fast there's enough there to make up for the big the size discrepancy without lebron the lineup overall i think it's fine if there's ever going to be a time to miss lebron i think it being early in the season when rhythm matters for the other guys because lebron's going to come in and figure it out regardless this would be the time to miss some games I think.

Yeah, I agree. More important story. We're talking about LeBron. We're talking about the goat. We're talking about the guy who's talking about the most. Obviously, this is important. Obviously, this is going to be top of mind. But there's something even more important.

Now that I'm looking at the dock, I should have let off with this. I'm kind of mad at myself for not leading off with it. I'm kind of mad at the chat for not clamoring for it and not demanding I pull it up. Trey Young dropped a song with two chains in Cuevo called Where I Stay. Mo, I assume you've heard this. Did he get that shit off? Now, listen, I will say, we got scammed. Trey did not get anything off

He was just ad libs for the entire song He did not give off any real Like lyrics he didn't show Case his other skills at all But did two Taze and Cuevo get this shit off Hell yeah They released a video Trey was promoting it on his socials

And he just showcased himself Like with the headphones on saying Yeah Uh huh Damn The whole entire time With his adlips And that was his song

And that's what got him Just enough to put his name down as a fucking feature. It was hilarious. So is that all the adlib said was just that? Can I hear it? Can you one more time? Another reenactment.

Chia. Uh-huh. Quay. Then that's it. Trey Young bar. You were saying Quay? Yep. Okay.

Yeah. And he also had a, uh, yeah, sir. Yeah. Apparently, I'm the only one not tapped in. Chad, let me get a one to ten. How good was his Trey Young song? Let me get a judgment. His outro made the song it even better, though.

He said, run that back quay run that back all right that's it all right that's what I like that okay next thing to comment on GM survey came around we didn't make this

we should did this last week but I completely forgot to put it in the main episode so look at it today this is always interesting 80% of GMs think the OKC Thunder are once again going to win

the NBA title fair I guess like this happens every year with the team that won last year everyone's like oh my God they're set up so well they're going to win it again How can anybody stop them?

So it's not shocking that everybody, like look, the Celtics last year were 83%. That's crazy. But yeah, I mean, these two teams being the Celtics and this year's Thunder seem like they've been the most set up to go back to back. So I guess if there was ever going to be a year where it's like a resounding consensus they're going to win again, this would be the one. Because we talked about before the cameras went on because this week we're doing our predictions episode. Donovan was like, have y'all thought about your championship pick yet? And I was like, I have no reason not to pick a thunder. Nobody else has emerged and gotten that much better

where I'm going to say like that's the clear favorite in the same way the Thunder did the year prior getting Hardinstein and getting Caruso. So yeah, it kind of feels like just go chalk. Yeah, I can definitely understand that. Me personally, I don't think I am picking the Thunder because I'm just going by with what history has said over the last five, six years or whatever.

It's not a lot of history. It's not a lot of history. But it's six years worth right now. So that's all I'm just like, yeah, I'm not going to go pick, go ahead and pick them. But am I going to look at you crazy if you believe they're going to win? Absolutely not.

like this team is young, this team has decent depth, in my mind, like, this is not crazy at all. It's interesting seeing the Denver Nuggets only 7% though. I thought they would be higher. I mean, time for a second. So, I mean, that makes sense, I guess. I wonder who else. I guess it makes sense

considering, like, they have to go ahead through the these three teams is 94%. So that's a pretty big margin. But it's also weird because, like, and you're right, like, the Nuggets have to go through O'CC, so I get it. But then being at the same percent is as the Cavs, it's like,

like, come on now. You know, like, I mean, someone has to win in the East. Yeah, I don't know. I feel the Cavs, that makes sense to me because the Cavs have a much weaker conference, much better chance of making it,

which gives you a much better chance of winning it. Yeah, I get it. Honestly, even outside of that, I feel just as good about the Caves as I do the Nuggets. I mean, obviously, Yokch helps in terms of playoff setting. I get it, but. Yeah, like, I do think, and we are moving into,

and we've kind of already moved into a space in the NBA where just because you have the best player in the league doesn't automatically mean that, like you're going to be in the conference finals but it's still that's still worth something it surely doesn't hurt to have yokech and i do think that the upgrade from or that the trend the the switchout of mpj to cam johnson i think that's an upgrade so yeah i i would have Denver a little bit higher than 7% people in the chat saying uh sleeping on the nix yeah that's fair i mean the nicks are obviously the second best team in the east so i think a lot of people

are going to view them is like neck and neck one a one b with the calves yeah we're not tms though. They voted Shea, the best point guard at 73%. The previous year was Luca only 37%. So now they're saying

it's resounding Leashay. You do what he does, what he did. And you have one of the best guard seasons of all time. Yeah, you can have it coming into this year.

That's the, that's the class that we're in right now. And it really is, can Luca snatch his chain back of being the best point guard? And if he can't, then, I mean,

Shay's going to... I honestly do envision like over the next five years They're just going to see a constant seesaw between Shea and Luca as to who's going to be the best point guard for each and every single year. And last year was Shea, the year before that, it's probably Luca. He's actually that chained away from Steph. And me personally, I think Luca's going to have a season of a lifetime. So I hope you are correct.

I hope so too. With that being said, even if he does, Shay had one last year. I feel like you will again. Like, I feel like, especially with one having a title on when not. MVP, one not. It's going to be hard for Luca to snatch that title back, I think. Unless you think Shay is going to like

return to some sort of normal and not be... No, fuck no. I feel like he's going to keep having legendary guard seasons. Yeah. Next up, who's the best head coach in the NBA?

Still Eric Spolcher, beat the 2%. I wonder how many more years it's going to last if they keep being irrelevant. Well, it's about to drop because he, last year was at 69%

and it dropped 17% in one year. So if the heat don't, you know, overperform and do Miami Heat thing, and get into the playoffs or win a series or something. I can definitely see Mark Dagnall getting up to one. I can see... I'm surprised Rick Carlisle isn't like...

He got votes. Yeah, but he's not top three at all. That's kind of crazy to me. Tailu's a hard bar to clear. For sure. After last year in the playoffs, Rick Carlisle, like... I think he deserves a top...

If it was like a year-by-year power rankings, I'd put him above Tailu. But also, if I'm projecting to this year, I imagine Tailu will have like a better coach of your candidacy, so I get it either way. Yeah, I think it's... It's hard when Tailu has his hands tied behind his back in every game seven because, like, you know, your star players just either just aren't there or don't show up.

Chad, who do you guys think is the best coach in the league right now? Knowing that he obviously, like, extract the most value from random players year after year. But it's also been a few years since we saw them make a serious push. Probably won't this year. Is Eric Spolster still keep the title for you guys? Or is there any argument for somebody else? Also, no, no, Missoula? Damn, that is disrespectful.

You're right. I mean, top three? you're gonna mean no but like he he even wasn't he wasn't even in the little thing that said like also was even votes yeah it was like dang who is the most promising young core obviously thunder are going to be one given the fact they want a championship with the young core after that spurs number two by a wide margin of course it should happen for sure after we saw it at dylan harper during his preseason debut like that's the that's the young core that's yeah but also like you had a number two pick like you know how hard it is to have a prospect like wemby that comes

in as a top 10 player right away and then you see that you still get a high top three pick last few we've seen like this that come in this great like wemby they're immediately too good to continue stacking picks the fact that they got a rookie of the year after wemby and the number two pick it's pretty rare he's saying shout out to blood clots oh man you're terrible oh no no no no no no oh man we're not shot it out blood clots i'm simply acknowledging a silver lining here but yeah this young course is ridiculous that's crazy that they got maybe three straight rookie of the years if it's a good year for Harper

that's on the table that'll be so crazy that'll be nuts man that'll be crazy now the castle one's a little bit different given the year in the year he won he won rookie of the year's a rookie year

all you could do is play the basketball that is in front of you and he did that is compete with the clash you're in yeah sure next thing what is up next on our on our hawk should have been there though

I will say that what you should have been there when it comes to Promise Young Corps's yeah promise you on court between Dyson Jaylon Johnson Rishishishet

A Kongu's there A Kongu's still there and he's young I think a Kongu aged out Nah He's he 26 now No he's like 24 So I think he's just right there Anyway

Juelele B is Duncan Does that move you Hey Yeah it does Hell yeah it does This is good stuff Good Good for NB

Now it doesn't move me But like good for him though I wonder if he's gonna play To start the year Or anything like that Like there's been Nothing said about him Yeah

I think a couple episodes ago, a couple episodes ago when we did our one thing you need to know about every team, kind of like a recap of the off season, I said we have no news of Embed being injured. That's good. We're, you know, last year at this time, it was like, oh, fuck another injury. Then I read some more about it. I think it's just like, yes, we have no news of him being injured. We also have no news of him being healthy. I think it's like true net neutral. We don't know anything about his current space right. I don't know. Maybe he is just, you're right. If he was 100% unhealthy and ready to go they would put that news out there yeah but also this is like an open practice with fans around so it's like why would you put him out there yeah they're put him out there to build hope up too so maybe they're just like not to setting up those expectations for the sickest mental health and every other like sixers fans expectations as well yeah we're probably at the point where it's just chronic like you know you get to to like march and april and it's like all right well you know everybody's heard everybody's dealing with something that's just joel and b for the rest of his NBA career is like we're going to start the season his sciatica is you know

one spin move away from acting up his knees are are cooked like it's it makes sense schrodinger's superstar is tough nice several people oh no shout out dj ampu he's the one that said schrodinger superstar that's a good one uh someone said i believe in any team with a blue color scheme okay don't quite understand that one blue color scheme the hornets count you you believe in them the nix count you believe in him the nix count is blue i don't know if that's what they're getting at anyways we finally have more yonness news uh you know in a whole preseason process that's been mired with will he won't he tray talks what is what are the team going to do to convince him to stay sounds like he's he wants to be convinced but he's not

a hundred thousand percent loyal anything can happen well the haymaker from the bucks as came in they pulled out the big guns and they signed his brothers both of them all right Two of the three. I'm not going to lie. What is it? This is egregious. This is egregious. And like we spent and not like we've,

but just like the collective week, spent multiple months and really all of like Bronny's rookie year hating on Brown. Like how dare he you spend the 55th pick in this? That's fine, right? Brony can be an actual NBA player. The fact that the bucks are using not one, but two roster spots on a team that is all

not great that on a team that is already so so devoid of like actual talent and they need actual players that they're using two spots on his brothers who are not good NBA players that's actually egregious i kind of understand the thanassas one you know like just because we've heard so much that story jefft talking about like yonis needs thanassus like he said he was bugging out when he was gone like he's a big part of keeping yonis grounded and like saying i get that i mean a lot of brothers get contracts eudanus has him a contract for a long time because he was like a coach in the locker room. Let the Nassas be that.

I understand it. Two-way contracts are valuable resources for a team with no young talent that can try to find somebody to fill that void and give them some glimmer of life from a young player to convert. A lot of diamonds in the rough are found with two-way contracts. Alex does not have the value of the Nassus from what we just talked about. This is pure, please don't leave me. I learned a new word the other day.

The word is ostentation. basically means what yonis is doing right now popping yo shit i don't know a singular NBA player who has the pull the power to go ahead and not sign only one brother and give him free checks but having two brothers in the league bro you're showing your ass off right now yonis you're showcasing how important you are and how much pull and how much like real estate you own in wisconsin apparently to like news i don't know if we said this on the pot or whatever but apparently his wife wants to live in Greece or they're looking to like move out of Wisconsin permanently apparently she already is living him and her and her family is living

in Greece apparently exactly and this is just like just more cherry on the cake for yannis and just extracting as much valuable viable stuff as he can from this bucks organization chat let me see you guys spell ostentatious ostentation also same word also they are the nastas already has a podcast we've done enough right right We've clearly done enough for you. If we do not look into the NASA's podcast deal and look at that as cap circumvention, oh my goodness. This is crazy.

Someone said Austin Reeves. Fucking dummy. No, but this is ridiculous. This is actually wild. Oh, wow. That cat is tweeting. Yes. And so, listen, the cat will be here.

The cat will get calmed down shortly. We will see that. yeah i i i really don't like this i really don't like that what are the odds of them finding some like that that's so where we only see see that happen maybe like that's okay but you know that alex can't play NBA basketball it's worth it to actually have another at least another dart throw to but what if it's empty then what which it's empty for the most part then you had an empty chance at something that actually at an you know you know what i'm saying at an unknown and like Once we get to January and you need a two-way contract

and Alex is using it and you don't have anybody. It's spelled for shit. It's Austin Tacumpo. Australia. Oscar Robertson. Damn. The cat just ran away.

It can't spell for shit, bro. Nepitism goes crazy. Yeah. I mean, listen, do what you got to do. Keep you honest. It doesn't really matter. You know, it's not like it. They're shooting blanks.

Who cares? Yeah, yeah. It's a sign of a desperate team doing desperate stuff, which is, understandable why they're dead fit. What? Andrea left and the cat's freaking out because she doesn't know where she's at. This cat is insanely clingy. We hear. Okay, next thing. Did you guys see the latest Jason Tatum update? What happened? He's Duncan. Seven months removed from surgery. I think he's rising up. This video looks fake. Does it? It does. It does. It was like AI.

Yeah. It looks like, you know those old, uh, the old NFL commercials where they would have like people like catch footballs through a brick wall or something like that it looks like that didn't know like someone jumped over a car and then be it commercial was that coby yeah cooby yeah they had one where coby jumped over a car they had one where like adjo johnson was catching multiple footballs on a on a jugs machine greg olson like ran through a brick wall or something i can't believe this what do you guys think about this whole notion that he wants to come back this season and the seltics are at least like appeasing him in the media by saying it's a possibility dude if i'm brad stevens i'm i fucking hate this

so much. And I'm pulling out my hair. Like, you spent the whole entire summer trying to put together and piece together this very intricate plan of just trying to figure out ways to improve your washer. A buffer year was like very much needed. They weren't going to be as good as last year or the year before that at all no matter what. And Tatum's injury made the blow so much easier to digest because it's like, okay, now we really don't have any expectations. and I can really just like name their tank the ear and figure out parts as I'm on this way to just like retooling. I hate it so much. You can still do that.

I actually low key. But if it sets him back though. I kind of like it. So for a couple of reasons. One, obviously like they know more about Tatum and his and his recovery than we do. And so if they're in the building every day and they're seeing that it's actually going well and not just one, but like multiple doctors are out here saying like, okay, it actually looks like he's on track. This is some some crazy recovery. That's cool.

that's one two he's still not going to play before christmas so they can still like you can still do the tanking thing where you are competitive trade off trade off any of the pieces that you want to trade off get assets and be a bad team in the second half of the year and then when we get to the last 10 games and we're playing fake march basketball if tatum's ready let him get just a just a taste just a nibble of NBA basketball again just a nibble and if he plays bad guess what it's the last 10 games for the season who cares and then we can go into next year and you've actually played NBA basketball when we're actually ready to start being a real a real team again you know yeah this is the most nonsense story I ever heard I think I just think it's complete bullshit I think he just put it out

there like it'd be real cool to come back I want to do it and they're like sure thing Jason I would be baffled if you played this year just for every obvious reason I would be too but if if it's like okay we talk so much all the time about like modern medicine is crazy let me see modern medicine show up like you're in a legacy game modern medicine this is what I'm saying this is what we talk about all the time are you are you a man or a mouse and I'm ready to see modern medicine actually do something so that we can see just how far we have come who's a face of modern medicine uh I think right now it would be Adrian Peterson which was 13 years ago yeah we're a generation removed from modern medicine

having a hit album it's about it's about it's quiet for modern medicine it's about it's time for you to come out here, lock in, do a jazz album with The Alchemist, and let's see you. I need 10 songs. I need 10 songs straight rapping. Is modern medicine an industry plant? Oh shit, we got to talk. Maybe. What did AP do again? Towards ACL and came back over a summer.

In six months, ran for 2,000 yards. It's ridiculous. So, but yes, I am ready for modern medicine to come out here and actually show the strides and advances that we have made. So I'm cool. Okay, last new story I talked about real quick Keegan Murray is injured You guys talk about this I'm gonna go see what the fuck is up with this cat

Try to get her to calm down Oh my God, Donovan, what does it say? Jesus He can't read It says that Keegan Murray This is the medical update And that Keegan Murray is set to miss around 10 to 17 games And the King's early season schedule is brutal

He had an MRI that revealed a torn owner collateral ligament of the left thumb and he'll undergo surgery and be re-evaluated in approximately four to six weeks. Jeez, this is a fucking blow. Like, this team is already depleted of, like, real talent.

This team don't have any pieces who fits together and someone who could possibly make this work in your wildness of dreams. What is making, what is making it work mean? I don't fucking know. It probably means being competent. He was their only shot of that

considering the level of defense and, I guess, decent spacing. that he provides. But man, this is a shot of the fucking heart. It is Moe actually illiterate.

The screen's real smart will be tough. What the fuck? Yes, I am. How about that? They can't see it. Oh my gosh. Yeah, I mean,

it's tough, right? Just tough. Like already a team I was going to struggle. Just very tough. The worst player you could possibly have get injured.

Yeah. They had like four people on their, on their team that can get into a defensive stance and now one of them is gone. Four is high. Name all four.

I don't know. I was just talking. I was trying to be generous. Are we giving Dennis Schrooter the past? He's getting the defensive. He can get into a stance. Does Dennis, it was Keegan, Kian Ellis, Devin Carter.

Maybe. We didn't even see him play, so we don't know, but he's supposed to. Okay. That's it. Okay. Four. Fair enough.

Some of those are generous, but fair enough. They can get into us at the stance. Mo can't spell Atlanta. Someone also said that I didn't pass third grade. And guess what? That was a mod. Your channel beast and edged.

And you have been fired live on the podcast. Sorry, DQ, Semphi. You got too comfortable. That stuff. Somebody keeps spamming Thomas Sorber stock up 500%. Somebody who will not be playing in the rookie year. I got some band. Yeah, he tore his ACL or something like that.

But, okay, that's all the news stories we want to talk about today. I think it is about this time, 39 minutes into the show. to get to the main topic, let's talk about all our agendas for this season. So this is going to be as either somebody we think is going to be really good and take a leap, somebody that we're higher on compared to consensus. Maybe consensus is there too.

We just want to make it clear that we agree. Can mean anything, just somebody that we are buying stock into and we are going to argue for them all year. Unless shit changes week one, then I will change their mind immediately. Yeah, okay. Donovan, what is your first agenda for the year? We're going to stay on the Kings. The Kings are going to be a bottom three team in the league.

Okay. Bottom three in the league. They, listen, I hate the Kings. We're leading, but hey, okay. You guys asked me before, like, oh, do you have any, any agendas that are really negative? And I was like, no, I'm really trying to be positive. I lied to you. I hate the Kings.

I really don't see a silver lining for them at all. I think, like, especially now that Kiga Murray is legitimately hurt. Like, they're one path to having a somewhat respectable defense on any given night that's gone to start the to start the year. I think that you are the Chicago Bulls West with still a terrible fit. You still have Levine and DeRosen that are three years older than what they were whenever the Bulls were the one seed for 36 games. That is way past there. You still have some bonus that is there. And I have no idea how on any given night you think that you guys are going to are going to be anybody. I think that the Kings are going to be awful. I think that they're

going to get to a point where with De Rosen, who's been talking, he had a clip where he was like, listen, I'm willing to do anything, you know, that the team needs you know, for us to be successful and for us to win, except if we tell you to change up your shot diet and to defend. Those are the two things that we have been asking

you for a decade to do, and you have not done it. So I think that we're going to get to the middle of the season. People are going to get traded. Your defense is going to be bad. And we're going to, anybody's going to be able to walk into Sacramento and get a win. I think I'm with you. I don't like the Kings. I think I'm with you. I also don't like the Kings. I think last year we did our predictions. I think I gave them like

19 or something. Something in a plane race. Something respectable with the Aaron Fox there. It was like they're going to be the Kings, right? We're a couple of years into this now. After that glorious run to the three seed, they've just been one of the mid teams in the West and it is what it is. But I agree. This is the year the floor falls out from Under Room. This year, when we do our predictions, I will put them bottom two in the West, I think. And it's not even because I think they'll be bottom two in the West as of now. They're a little too good for that, probably.

But to me, I will be baffled if they don't blow it up this season. yeah oh be prepared to be baffling like get the baffling ready get gathered together get ready to exude baffling this just feels like it's it's going to come to a close pretty soon we had that thing over the summer where subonis is apparently monitoring the team situation and talking to the front office to see what's up and like going to be like yo are we trying to win what's going on here what are we doing that already starts from a guy's quiet and as loyal as a bonus it just feels that there's smoke that this isn't going to work obviously right they're not going to be good, I think, barring some kind of jump from a young player, which is always possible, but does feel seem like a team that will be out of the playing race or at the

best case scenario, nine or ten in the plane, probably? So, yeah, it just feels like we're heading towards trading the good players and starting over. Yeah, genuinely. I think it would be smart for them to do that, but I generally don't think they'll do that because I definitely can see a world and wear neat Clifford, the rookie who's like 24, 25 years old is going to come in day one and be able to fill in the shoes of Kegan Murray, which, is not super hard to fill in, which is just be like, he's going to be decent on defense. So what good players for us?

So they're going to train. Yeah. I think there's going to be, Nick Kiefer's going to come in. I think Devin Carter, who I really liked two years ago coming out of, I forgot what school he went to. I think he is a super nitty, gritty guard who plays great defense, can do some things offensively as well.

Dennis shorter being there, Dario Saris, oh my God, it's 2025, salute. He's still in the league. I think these, I think they have a couple of good. who will be able to put things together and yield them into like 34, 35 wins. Okay, I think that that's very lofty. And like, I'm not trying to step on the predictions episode right now, but the bottom five in the West last year, Suns, Blazers, Spurs, Pelicans, Jazz.

Like the Blazers, we all expect to take just a little bit of a step forward. The Spurs, obviously, we think of that. Skinny Zion is back in effect. The Suns, even as ridiculous as they are, they can be a 34 win team. and so now I'm looking at Sacramento and I'm looking at them with the bottom five teams in the West and so okay Utah fine

they're tanking they're going to be bad outside of that I don't think it's a guarantee that they're going to be better than any of those bottom five teams yeah I don't think it's nothing's ever a guarantee in the Western Conference but things pop up out of the woodwork always injuries always happen and who knows maybe this could be like a team where Sabona's goes down with the injury it's fucking cooked

absolutely but assuming all those things kind of go towards there way something happens to one of those teams you're talking we're talking about the pelicans the whole team just died last year we're talking about the san antonio spurs i had me specifically last year i had real lofty expectations and i thought they're going to be decent they weren't they were trash maybe that'll happen again too who knows but i do think this team has a lot of like good NBA players who would play decent minutes on every single team like this roster is not trashed it's just super super mid super mid below mid actually and i think that could yield them to

shit you don't like 34 wins how about 32 wins they can't they can't they keep it together for sure i just like it's they're on pace for that in the west right now like i don't know it's it's not doing nothing they are the kings they could always just run it back in mid forever that is a prerogative to never blow it up so yeah i guarantee you it's either going to be unique or it's going to be devon carter popping up and they're going to be like you can say this and i'm like i like those players but like it's not enough yeah it's not enough the rookies they aren't one is it old the rookie so i get it one's the second year player maybe they can do some good there even if they are what you want from them and

nick is a good 3ndy wing and devon carter does provide some like davion mitchellesque defensive value from a guard i don't give a fuck that's not enough that's not gonna change this conversation it's not changing it at all they're gonna do just enough though with levine de rosa and it's a bonus and their random master forms oh yeah they i mean it would help a lot i mean they not minimize it if they had two more good defenders that would do a lot for what they where they're at with like it's king murray versus the world so that wouldn't matter i don't want to say it's nothing But I don't think it would get them into, like, relevance in the West. Like, it wouldn't affect the angle of being out of the conversation.

Unless, you know, some teams get hurt. So they could make the plan. They could do something. Like, their spots to be taken because people always get injured. Yeah. But they won't be meaningful, really. Yeah, I agree. This is not a team to be looking out for at all.

But in terms of hating them, I agree. This is a nasty party. Yeah, I will be purring on the downfall each and every night. Okay. Mo, what is your first agenda that you were buying into this year? My first agenda that I'm buying into this year. Anthony Edwards MVP season Okay

All right I don't like to stamp a lot of flags Do I believe in this one? No, absolutely not But is it a flag That like I'm willing to You have the worst person in the world You just take at

Yeah I think we should talk about things We believe in Says something Do I believe in no? But if I was to believe in something It would be this right here Voter fatigue. People don't like Shea at all It's clear as they

I think at least the fans Don't fuck with them like that The media I think they've slowly like got over the hump but still it's kind of spot it's kind of spotty there i don't know if nicolioch is going to have the numbers necessarily because his team is like they re-upped a little bit during the off season now obviously like this is not like a super team none like that no but they have a lot of pieces in which they're not asking to yoke it's like asking for yokech to save their lives okay next up in line is luka people's been kind of waiting he's the only one who

i really fear in these conversations but i think outside of of that. I think Anthony Edwards is in line to at least bare minimum be like top three in MVP. So pushing an agenda you don't believe in should count his market manipulation. And that's what I do.

Great. I mean, I do buy so you don't believe it. I do believe it that we can get at Anthony Edwards MVP caliber leap. And whether he wins it who knows how the season goes and where the arguments lie. But I do buy that he can make the type of leap and be in the conversation for the first time really. Yeah, I think he's genuinely

going to put up like 30 points this year maybe like 31 32 and he's also going to like take a certain you what's going on dude the cat is tweaking yo she's fighting shadows right now she's just looking for and she's like where is she yeah but yeah i generally think it's going to be like an explosive year scoring wise from anthony Edwards and we're going to see an uptake when it comes to playmaking as well and this is going to be our first year into real life like prime anthony Edwards yeah this is this is definitely the the year and especially as you've seen like we we were talking about about guys for the for the timbos who like have an opportunity to really take a leap um in terms of like rob uh and terran shan junior what if they

just don't and like they need anthony edwards to score 30 32 a night that's also very very possible like i think like we're pretty high on terran shan and junior i know you are for sure but like every every off season we go into into the season and people have their guys and things just don't happen. And so it wouldn't shock me if we're at Christmas and Rob Dillingham is playing 11 minutes a night and averaging, you know, 3.2 points per game. And it's scoring, you know, 34 points a night. Like that's, that's very much in the cards. Yeah, I could see that. And obviously, Anne's talked about, or not Ant talked about, somebody reported on behalf of him that he's working on his post game as his big summer leap this year, like 50-point shot the year prior. And I do

buy that if he's focusing on something like that, that is probably real. Like, I think he's proven that we should trust his ability to continue to improve his scoring. bag year after year. What I think the bigger catalyst that will be is if it's playmaking improves. Because Mike Conley, year older, listen, we'll see what we get from Rob Dealingham when the season starts.

From the preseason, which I don't trust as Bible ever, I don't love what I'm seeing as far as him taking like a playmaking burden off of Mike Conley's shoulder. We'll see what we can get from him, if anything. It just feels like we're heading down the path that we really were on last year, but they found ways to use Jules Randall as a playmaker to kind of mitigate it.

But they really do need Anthony Edwards to be like a, really, really consistent late game playmaker, and for the regular season, just like 48 minutes lead playmaker, like make that like Jason Tatum passing a leap he made a couple years ago where he's not the point guard or anything, but he's elite as a playmaker for his position. That to me is going to be like the really big thing for him if you can do that. Yeah. And I think if those things happen alongside like this Timberwell team actually being elite in the Western Conference from start to bottom of the year like they were just two years ago, I think if they, if Anthony Edwards is able to pull this team while also

making all those things happen that we just talked about to the second seed, I think he's winning MVP for sure. Second seed, okay. Yeah. If he, if he can pull them to the two seed, I believe that if the Timberwells for some reason are the two seed by the time, I don't know, March or April happens and the season's over, he's winning MVP. There's no way around it.

Okay. I don't know no way around it, but I do think that'd be a good argument. Really, he also, the mid-range stuff has to be real with the post game because like the big thing holding back a lot of his advanced metrics is that he's a dreadful mid-range score in terms of deficiency he gets some shots up but they do not go in the post game would help that a lot in like overall races advanced stats that would like give him like some type of competitiveness like as yoakish and shea who are advanced as gods yeah so i can see that okay my next agenda you guys are talking about actually no you hated already so never mind i guess

i'm also talking about irrelevant team i'm not hating though but i'm talking about another relevant team like the Kings. I am buying stock in the Utah Jazz offense specifically. But the reasons I've talked about since draft night, I love Ace Bailey playing next to Larry Marknin, specifically playing for Will Hardy. As soon as the draft happened, I said,

oh, Ace Bailey, this kind of maligned prospect who people say, like, wants to be this ball in his hands bucket getter, needs to go to the right situation to get the most out of him in his huge frame and kind of mitigate the downside of his like potentially bad habits, right? To me, immediately, as soon as I saw the jazz pick him, I said, that is the perfect place to go.

Will Hardy made Lavery marking the star by taking the ball out of his hands in some ways and utilized him as an offball weapon, gigantic wing defender who can be a lethal score without the ball in his hands and do stuff with the ball in his hands in a motion offense. I think having two of those guys now in Ace Bailey, who's Danny at the same size as Lowry is going to be lethal. Bryce hands a ball doesn't know how to miss a shot. They got a stretch five. They have some good playmaking prospects. This to me will be a top 20 offense in the league.

that's my agenda okay that's really good considering like outside of lorry and ace bailey you don't have any other like solidified offensive players isa cawyer great offensive player but he's not necessarily like near his you know he's got he has cogs in his game yeah so i i can imagine that happening yeah i just think lowry plus ace bailey will be incredibly hard to deal with will be versatile will be able to exist while making those other young prospects still get their games off Kyle philipowski can play off of them collier can play off of them if counte george has a leap him he can do it. Walter Clayton can play off of them. That's just such a good offensive nucleus to fit everything they have there. I think this would be the year they look competent after last

year, which was an utter disaster. Yeah, it makes sense. And I'm glad that you said that because one of my agenda is that Ace Bailey is going to be one of my guys. And I think like, I officially all I wrote down was Ace Bailey is a all caps hooper. And I see a lot of discourse with him having a good preseason. Someone's asked me if I'm Mormon. The first time I ever said something good about the jazz. Okay. Obviously, there's a lot of combo with him having a good preseason and people being like, how did he fall so far in the draft?

The nerds overthought it. He went five. There was two players went above him. That was a conversation. So he didn't exactly fall very far. And I do think everything that the critics said about him isn't necessarily proven wrong by him doing well with the jazz. Because at least of the preseason, he's been killing it as a cutter, killing it running off

the screens, shooting well off ball, like doing all the stuff that people said he would have to do to be good. So I think we're going to hear a lot of like, I told you guys he's good, you guys are stupid, but really I think he's just like playing the way he needs to play and the way everybody said he should play. Also, a part of that conversation too that feels like everyone, including the nerds as well, like gave people more fuel to just be more down on Ace Bailey rather than up is how the situation happened when it comes to his agent and telling teams just go ahead and fuck off, piss off. Not a good taste in your mouth necessarily when you are a rookie coming into the league. but overall I agree with you I think this is the perfect place for him to hide all the words in his game and to just

highlight all the elite things that he does on the court and this is just like surface level this is like the worst version of him that we're going to see so I'm excited this is a perfect place for him okay perfect what is your next agenda Donovan we are going to go with the fact that I think that the that Modis Buzellis is going to win most improved player okay I also wrote

modest bezelis is a star that's one of my agendas we've been on it since this is rookie year he is a star i also said modest mizzez is on the scene the modest mizzoz breakhead will be here we did our episode uh of the breakout stars two two weeks ago and we put them on there right for jumping to elite role player i think so yeah yeah man listen as a weeks go on i'm like we should just stood on it that's an all star maybe you're too maybe we're gonna see all start level jump this year i am all aboard the train yeah i yeah the all star leap is just like it's a crazy jump so that so I was like maybe not yeah but elite role player definitely most improved definitely and

I think that as the season went on every every 10 games and so you were seeing something for modest that was like oh he's going to be so good at that next year oh this is this is actually you know happening and so I yeah man I'm I'm all in and from the from the moment he looked us in that in the face and said that Carmelo was a five level squad I said listen you're my guy right So at every turn, I have to, I have to come out and I have to say that Modus Bezellis is going to be great. And I think that like the numbers and the highlights are, they just back it up. And every time, like he already looks much bigger this year than he did, than he did last

year, the dog factor off the charts. You can just tell by the way some guys move with that size and that burst and he has a good handle. And it's a very like downhill efficient handle. Like that's such a good floor to be a good player. we saw that as a rookie, it just makes all the sense in the world who continued to build off of that, especially with how well he shot in three,

which was obviously the question there. He shot him incredibly well as a catch and shoot guy in the corners last year. Yeah. I have no reason. I really don't have any, like, hold a poke to say, like, it won't happen this year. Like, I feel like he's not flawless,

but there's not really an argument against him as being at least a good player. Yeah, I agree. Dude, going back to what you said when it comes to the shooting, which is like the biggest question mark as a prospect for him coming out of, not college but I guess the G League

and I damn you G League and I and what you did to all these fucking prospects coming out of there he is like the one coming out of that and going back to what we said like he was a great elite shooter when he was in high school terrible year when he comes to the G league night they don't exist no more for a fucking reason

I think he's going to prove to be like the number one guy on a lot of team scouting report and he's going to just like damn near bring Chicago basketball back genuinely no like literally he could be that type of lifeline for them if it works i think like the also like to win most improved you know like you got to you got to have some numbers behind it with how fast that the that the bulls play and how wide open that they play the opportunity is going to be there for him to get easy buckets from it

to get all the that to have that very specific points per game leap that you need to be considered in most improved so i want it last year was it kate or i think it was it was i'm not forgetting who almost improved last year it wasn't dyson daniels He was like number two. They can't have won it. Then it might have been. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah. But so like that, that's going to be the, the stuff that you need. And so I think that he definitely will make that leap. So I'm with it. Okay. Shout out, too. I missed two donations. My bad.

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haves. Okay. I love that because that leads me up to my next point. My agenda that I'll be pushing stamping this year, the Atlanta Hawks will be a top three seed in the Eastern conference this year. Now, Isaac, you go ahead and did say you don't treat the preseason as your Bible. Fuck that. Go to hell. I do once again. Has it let me down before? Of course. Has I let Trey Young playing off ball let me down? Hell yeah. But I saw him do it again. I'm going to fall for it again as well. Seeing the way that we've been able to use someone like Chris Hoppersing is, seeing

Janlon Johnson bringing up the ball and seeing all this pressure just be released off of Tray Young's shoulders because we actually have players who can do stuff with the ball in their hands. Dyson Daniels, I'm not saying he's like taking another leap, but based off what we've seen during preseason, he looks like he genuinely improved his ball handling, which has always been

like a catalyst for his game. Seeing all these things come together. Stretch five this, stretch five that. Jaylon Johnson just continues he ascending and the ceiling just feels like it's never ending. This is a top three seat in the Eastern Conference. I'm sorry. I'm sorry to break the news.

I'm sorry to be the first guy to break the news to you, but it is happening. Stamp it. Book it. Put your money on it. Put your rent money on it, bro. Put your college,

your kids, college tuition fund into this money. And I'll be here to think. You're going to be homeless and stupid. No, I mean, that is a ceiling, right?

I don't think it's crazy. Number three? I mean, that's obviously ambitious. As fuck. But outside of the Cavs and the NICs, which I think are clearly going to be one and two, barring good health,

I guess they have as good as an argument as anybody. You do. Because the other two teams kind of in that range that you would say, like, have a legitimate chance to be the 3C would be Orlando and Detroit. And for Orlando, we've talked about it plenty of times. Can your offense actually be functional?

Can you be an above average NBA offense? We'll see. And can people stay healthy? And can your top two players play their best at the same time we'll see all that and then for Detroit I know it's a lot of questions and then for Detroit it's also the thing of how good is Jada and I be going to be this year can your offense also you know survive um in those in those non-cade minutes is the defense going to be enough are are people taking leaps like everybody has questions so I understand why you feel the way

that you do as soon as the season ended I was thinking like yeah the hawks are going to they're going to be in in the conference finals next year and that was that was one of those you know just random thoughts. I don't, I'm not sure if I 100% believe that now, but if they did get there

to the conference finals. Yeah. If they did get there right now, I don't think I would be completely shocked if that happened. I feel better about three seed than conference finals.

Both are possible, but I think regular season their set up well, assuming KP stays healthy, which is always a big assumption, assuming that he plays 60 games, which is like the high end,

right? We don't really expect to play 70 to 80, but 60 games, I think I can say, see a three season in your guys's future yeah if i think if we end up being the seventh or 60 that's actually that should be a disappointment like something went wrong some player you should be top five yeah we should certainly be top five but given given jannon johnson's health history giving kp's health

history there is a world where they're seventh like they could have a real injury issue there so i i don't think they're like stamped you're going to be three in the same way that like the nicks are stamped two or the caps are stamp one or vice versa but i do think that's the range it's like three to seven i don't see them like falling into like outside of top of the playing race yeah they should not be in those territories those conversations at all i wonder if the treyong offball stuff was going to be real we say it all the time yeah i don't know if i believe it or not but even if they are just still treyong centric in the same exactly way they always have been they can still be really good like they have all the pieces needed to play that way

and have it actually work i will say two years for the last two years something that would piss me the fuck off would always sing try young um when they're taking the ball out to go up the up the court for their possession. He's always like, oh, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, like always every single time. Like when Jaylon Johnson is trying to like get it cooking and trying to like operate offense initiate on his own for a second,

Trey's like here, bro, here, but always. And over the last few years, it's gone less and less. I've seen less and less of that. But in the last preseason game or these last few, two preseason games that we've seen, like he hasn't been doing that at all. And it's almost been like a 50-50 split when it comes to how often he,

brings the ball up now he still ends up touching of course because he's like our best player at the end of the day but seeing how creative Quinn Snyder has been and how willing tray young has been when it comes to diversifying the offense has been just like just a huge sign for us genuinely okay so it might be real chat we'll see do you guys think the hawks are going to get let me see all his prediction while we move on to the next topic somebody said hawk 17 seed run the fuck out of here okay Okay, my next one, I don't know if this is a hate or not, or if this is just like reality. I'll be the judge.

Okay. My agenda for this year? He's a bad judge. He is a bad judge. It's going to be prone to hate. Maybe it is, though. Yeah, I guess it is. Forced Anthony Davis to play center.

That's my agenda. The Anthony Davis needs to play center. Quit with the identity crisis. Quit with this. I'm a power forward nonsense. Quit with the power forward nonsense when you come into a team training camp, 15 pounds heavier than you ever have been and said, I'm going to play myself into shape. It's what I always do.

No, it's not. We have the measurements you've never done support to this extent. He said, get on the block tubby. You are a center. Cooper Flag is the team's franchise player.

He is best equipped to be a power forward. You are amazingly equipped to play next to him as a center. I understand your desires to stay healthy by playing less five and yada, yada,

how you envision yourself? I really don't give a damn. This man needs to be a center. He needs to get a reality check and he needs to stop being appeased and this team traded for him and they said, you're our guy.

We made you with the present over Luca Donchish, we believe in you and we can do everything you want to feel comfortable and get the most out of you. That is some coddling bullshit. Tell him to go defend Lucas, I mean, Nicole Yokic. He needs to play center.

He needs to defend other centers. Be a drop coverage defender. Space the four from the five, not stand the corner from the four. It's all nonsense to me that he should be a full-time four or even like majority of his minutes for. That is not hate. Okay.

I don't think that's hate. I think that that is something that he's also acknowledged that like it helps whenever he plays the five like it's not it's this is not something that everybody's trying to convince anthie davis is a good idea i think he he understands and acknowledges that it it's good his argument is just that i don't like it yeah i don't i don't like it and it's just very taxing on the body crazy to me that any of these teams give a fuck if he's like yeah i'm probably best of the fog but like i don't fuck with it like that's so fucking see it's so silly that it's a little thing

I don't fuck with it the fact that he'd be entertained like I guess there's probably a health element he does get banged up a lot playing the five he's a very aggressive defender so sure he probably gets hurt less

it's not like he's gonna get off scoffrey at the four I don't know if there's really data that he gets hurt less at the four I feel like that is like pretty minimal outside of like I think it's probably more like stamina and like the battering and the bruising

is like tiring when you have to do a lot of offensive output I really don't I don't think I buy that he's gonna get hurt substantially less playing the four I don't know. I don't know how to view that just yet. If that is the case, and sure, like, I'd rather have AD out there than him out there for 50 or 45 games maximize fully.

My most important thing as to why I, like, I back that up is because I watched their preseason game in detail. Cooper Fagel is so good already. Like, his game is coming in as a college prospect as with how complete his game is, it's so fucking rare. like the shot looks there the playmaking looks there his ability to attack and run the filling the filling the lanes and transitions all fucking they use a demon when it comes to all those things but what makes my eyes hurt so much is seeing him go ahead and like drive to the drive to the paint and the defender just in their waiting for him because anthony davis is preoccupying certain lanes and certain zones of the fucking court that makes his life harder as a

score and you're expecting him to of course like he can like do the mid-range stuff. He can do floors and all that cool stuff, but you don't, you want him to be stress-free as possible as a rookie because you guys have a legitimate chance to make, not, I'm not going to say make a run in the playoffs, but you guys can like solidify yourself as a real-life steady team, but also like ingratiating good, healthy habits for some like Cooper flag. I think they can make a run in the playoffs. I think that's super possible. This is a great roster. And I think this roster could only be truly great with AD at the 5. Because they can be good with 80 at the 4.

I'm not saying they should do no minutes with him in the center. They have to. They have two good centers. They will do sometimes that. My argument isn't like he should never, ever play the 4. There's a value to do these jumbo lineups.

We saw it with the Rocket Slasher. You can get some very, very good minutes out of that. But you can get some damn good minutes with PJ Washington 3, Cooper Flag at the 4, 80s to 5. I forget PJ Washington's there, man. You're still big as shit. He's ruining everyone's eyes doing that. You have so many big defenders.

You can go, quote, unquote, small with 80 at the 5 and still be a goddamn massive team. Like, they're not exactly sacrifice. pricing size and defense, it's just a clear to me to better two-way team. Like, to me, it's a no-brainer. It's, it's always been a no-brainer. Correct. And in the, in the most recent interview where AD was talking about it, he was, he was saying,

well, you know, when I was in LA and we won the title, Javelle was there, Dwight was there. Yeah. You also had the best shooting that you've ever had in your life. And, like, that's also not there. So, so we can, we can be real about what happened in the bubble and why you guys won that championship and you know we still be there was we had the greatest player to ever play the game at his week still one of the last years of his peak yeah so much is different from your current situation than what the 2020 lakers were and if you were in new orleans and they were like hey

you should play five sometimes and then he was like yeah okay i guess and then you go to l.a and they're like you should play five sometimes and then you get here and they're like have you tried have you tried the five before it's kind of it's kind of cool whoa now like dude Come on. Like, just lock in because for all, like, the fact that Delos there really, it's crazy to think about it. But it really does move me for the regular season and for this first part of the year whenever Kyrie's out.

Because last year, like, especially after Kyrie got hurt, you would just look at, you would watch any game, you're like, who's playing board for them? Like, you know, what's going on? And the fact that you have all of this time for them to actually gel and you can potentially have a playoff lineup. of Kyrie, Flag, AD, and then fill in the pieces wherever. Not to say that I condone it, but, like, if you told me that, like, this was the finished product, I can squint and take two shots of liquor and be like, and be like, okay, like,

I can understand what Nico Harrison was cooking, you know? Yeah, I just, yeah, it could work still, like I said. It's not, like they should never do it. I just don't see how you can defend Cooper Flag and AD as a four or five combo, if you, especially if you get Kyrie coming back full health. Forget about how do you defend him. How do you scoring on them? That too.

Like PJ Washington needs to be out there, I think. But again, offensively, like, that should be filthy. With the floor stretching of a Cooper flag at the fore and the passing he has now, like, his feel for the game is already clearly amazing. That sounds like, and with the spacing of Clay and Kyrie, like, that should be unguardable. Yeah, you're genuinely fucking with the ceiling of your team when you do that. Like, it's so irritating, so irritating. Now, of course, like, Harry has to come back and be himself, which I feel like I have no reason to not,

to not believe he won't be able to do that but overall it's like a whatever thing I think regardless are going to be okay I think last night or not last night but when I was watching the preseason games over the last past week they did run lineups where AD is exclusively the five but I kind of would like to see that ratio like kind of regress back to the mean in terms of what we we're like used to saying exactly it's all about the ratio like they're going to do both no matter what they're going to be versatile that's the whole point of having this many good players with this many different size combinations it's just like let's make sure that the minutes that matter we have the best players out there

and not the best players that like appease Anthony Davis yeah Donovan what is your next agenda for this season my next agenda is that that Anthony Simons listen that clip moved me his preseason has moved me

and he had he had a game most recently where he scored 21 he had six threes the jump shot looked exactly like Dame it was I mean it was guess what we got a dummy in our hands

We got a mark. This is exactly the best team is wants. And that is why. And that is why. And that is exactly why I do think that the Celtics. And so I guess I'm buying stock in Brad Stevens' ability to sell high. Yeah. Because I think that Simons is going to come out.

And I think that he's going to play well. And regardless of whether or not, like, we can get into the conversation of Simon's a winning player. I think we all know that he's not like a franchise player. You're not going to build your franchise around him. He can go to other teams and still be very, very productive. And so I do think that he's going to start the season very well. I think that regardless of how the Celtics try to run their offense, even if they are a little bit less three heavy than they have been in the last couple years,

Simon's going to get them up. He's going to give them that ability to have off the dribble three-point shooting. And I buy that the shots are going to go in and that they're going to be able to... Oh, for sure. Yeah. And that they're going to be able to flip him, get some assets, and be able to make this second run whenever Tatum gets back. What if he's just like good now when after facing...

many death threats from Joe Missoula about like you lock in on defense learning from Derek White he's just like good now that's a pretty good win now they still have issues when it comes to their if Simons becomes like a legitimate plus defender just because Missoula is like listen it's either now

or never you either die or he either blitz the ball handle or die yeah blitz the ball handle and blitz you with his fucking brick in the locker room you choose dummy exactly like if what's your name is true and that actually works and now he's just like a two way demon all right cool then we'll just keep you but like that's also

I doubt that that's going to happen that Simons is going to average 22 and also be like a really really good defender he's so many years into his career now he is who he is defensively I think but I agree with you like he's going to have a good offensive like production wise season he's going to fit like that that'll be the thing

do we get a team to think like that's enough for us with the defensive concerns that guess that's a question is like our team's going to know like they're going to see like oh we're trying to sell high we know what we're doing what do you think a team's in a buy in on that and be like what we need to get to the finals and hurdy simons so okay so obviously so we all believe in the offensive floor and ceiling i'm kind of with you that i loki and maybe this is just

me being foolish but i loki do think that he is gonna gonna buy in a little bit oh for sure defensively yeah and it is going to look a little bit better than what we've seen because i do think that do you think it's buying his issue i think he sucks at it i think he's just like isn't a physical defender and it's like obviously there's always a level of buying you can do to be better like There's always some level of effort defensively. I kind of feel like it's not a good defender. I don't know if I feel like he doesn't try. They had a good defensive infrastructure last year.

I don't feel like he wasn't trying, per se. And listen, maybe Missoula in the way that he coach is just going to... True. Right? It's just going to fix it, and he'll tell him everything that he needs to know to become a fine, like, team defender or whatever. But I think that we might see the most complete version of Anthony Simons this year. And I kind of am buying it into that.

And I do like what he's, what he's going to be able to do because there might be like a little, well, listen, I don't know how many people are doing wink-wink deals at this point in time. But maybe there might be a wink-wink of Simon's knowing, I'm not going to be here for the long term. Like, I'm really here to audition for everybody else. There's an acknowledgement from Brad Stevens that, you know, everybody kind of understands what this year is. And so if Simons can go out here, put on his best performance, get to a spot where he actually can be a little bit more long-term. I think, I think that that's very plausible. So I, I really like Simon's coming into this year.

Okay. I'm sure it'll be very good for fantasy basketball. Yeah. Oh, hell yeah. I'm sure that'll be helpful for people who happen to draft him in round 13 or whatever. Hell yeah, he's a demon. Chad, what is your guys' agendas you're buying into? Spam your agendas right now.

We'll react him as we go. I got another negative one. Okay. Or my first negative one. Okay. Huge side because I don't like to hate too often. Cap. But I do.

think the ship has sailed on Scotty Barnes and the I don't know top 17 top 20 player potential that we once thought he had like if you go ahead and just do a temp check on a lot of Raptors fans and how they feel about him obviously preseason is preseason but before the pod you did say he was on bullshit I will say he's been on fucking bullshit what I said specifically is I don't try to overreact the preseason but if I were to be someone who overreacts a season, Scotty Barnes is on bullshit right now. That's the last game I saw was gross as hell. Yeah. But it is just

preseason. I don't react to preseason after last year when the sun's burned me. Yeah, exactly. I agree. But... Fuck preseason. With that being said, I feel like if he doesn't show somewhat of a bounceback season when it comes to his shooting or when it comes to like his

craftiness in between the mid-range game and attacking the paint or being like a demon on transition, then I just legitimately don't see a world and how he turns into this perennial all-star, you know? I just don't, I don't feel that. Yeah, I'm a top-17 player. Maybe I agree with that.

I think top 30 players still going to happen, I think. But yeah, I'm certainly leading closer to 30 than I'm 17. Yeah. And if that's the case, then it puts the Toronto Raptors front office in a, I'm not in a tough position because, oh, boo-hoo, you got like a 24-year-old budding star, whatever. But at that point in time, it's like, what are we doing right now? Yeah, you shouldn't try to win a championship. with the 30 best player in the world on your team like that's not exactly the the guy yeah you

went ahead and invested so much money on unproven talent like emmanuel quickly um you gave yacopold a ton of money brandy ingams here you resigned him as well you have so much money on the books rj barrett's there as well too who knows what's going to happen with him you just have like a bunch of middling players on your team and is this really is this what you're selling your fans on for the next like five years it's tough yeah i'm seeing a lot of calillo air hype the chat right now when they're spamming their hills are dying on oh yeah collo where leap someone said he's a wemby east like if we're what the fuck if we're reacting to preseason kalil where is a superstar and we we made it be on our breakout players list we said he can

be on the elite role players but we're making the first cut just because it's all theory and we don't really have a reason for it we're just like that guy should probably get better yeah hey if preseason is real that guy's gotten better that's an elite role player dude hell yeah i'm i had them on my list i said not him necessarily but he's a part of the of the reason why. Positive is an agenda to push for me. The Miami Heat Resurgence is here right when you think they are dead. Dude, seeing Yakuchonis and the level of playmaking, he was able to put in day one.

He's mentioned Yaku Chonis so many times in the past three episodes. I don't love him. I don't love him at all. He loves him some Casperus. He's a solid player. And I think he's someone who will day one be able to alleviate some stresses of playmaking that they'll lose through Tiharo not being there. and Kelle where

I have no way to gauge him I don't know if he's Anthony Davis I don't know if he's Christian Wood He just looks like a good player overall and we're just trying to see Like what level of player Will he like He's also like the exact type of player

That should dominate a preseason This big that shoots And he's like gonna have a high motor Like going against backup players Like that is the preseason superstar That makes total sense to me But I also think it could be real I don't think it's crazy if he has a leap

Yeah I don't know how to I don't know how to gauge Because he's seen players like this before, like Christian Wood, who like came up out of nowhere after being on the most random teams, like the Bucks. He was on a fucking Houston Rockets. And then he really popped on the Pelicans a little bit too. I have no idea how to gauge him. If Wyrton did it to Christian Wood, he vans. Miami-Hickisholwood. Stop.

That's a good player. Miami-Hick, Christian Wood? Yeah. Like, can you imagine Christian Wood if he was on the Miami Heat and actually like locked in? I don't think Kulowar is going to be like a low motor bullshit defender that Christian Wood was. So if we had that skill set with some like more competent effort on defense, that's a good player. I can see that.

Yeah. Ben Dude, is that the name? Bend dude 9463 said Vijay Edgecombe is going to be flag's main rival for rookie of the year. Hmm. Main rival. So I get the real question is like is Vijay Edgecom going to have the usage with Tyrese there, with Jeremy Kane there after the first couple weeks of season? I don't think so.

Yeah. Well, actually, he could because Paul George. They're going to need someone to take care of some ball-hanging responsibilities. Well, George plays, though. Like, yeah, he had injuries last year. But I think he'll play. Wasn't it all he'd be good or not. I don't know.

I mean, when you're outside and I don't know. I think we all think he's good enough. It's just like a matter of like, is the usage is going to be there as a rookie? Yeah. I think ultimately to match flags, you should obviously know. Because I think flag is walking in there and he's going to be one of the few people in that lineup that actually have the freedom to to dribble the ball where you go to philly even if paul george is out you still have 40 games where you're playing with joel and beat and you're playing off him you still

have tyrese maxi you still have jeremy mccain who was playing well last year like there's just so many now to start the season so maybe he's cooking something well yeah you see out 40 games at least with mccain so there's just so many people that you have to jump in the in the hierarchy now maybe he does what jerry mccain did last year and he starts the season he's just going crazy and then all of a sudden whenever mcane comes back now we have to figure it out and he just has to play those minutes but it's a it's a tougher road for him to get there than anybody else i i was thinking that ace bailey obviously was going to be flag's main main rival yeah he's baleigh or dylan harper yeah i think dylan harper might end up i have the same i have the same

kind of thing with with harper where you just traded for box and you paid him like it's going to be very, very hard to see Harper be that in that realm of the other two. I think we see Fox lean into Playmaker, Harper lean into score as like the dynamic there and Castle lean into six man. That's what I'm assuming happens at least.

I don't know. I think D.R. Fox is going to try to prioritize helping Harper. Yeah, that would be ideal. I don't know how likely it is that it happens. Yeah, I mean, we're really just fine for second place assuming Cooper Flags is healthy. He's clearly going to win it.

So it's really just who has the best chance to win number two. Yeah, I think Harper has the best chance to win number two. But I know like Aceved he's going to get those numbers for sure. Yeah. But how many would it be considering those eyes that Wembe will have alongside Harper? I don't know. I see someone in the chat said that Franz Wagner and Paula Benkerra are going to be on all NBA teams this year.

That would be difficult. The magic better be a one or two seed. That would be tough to get both of them in a positionless all NBA world where it's top 15 players. That's tough. two top 15 players That doesn't happen often Like you're legitimately one of the best Little duels in the league

I don't know man No yeah you're gonna be like a top two or three D one league Damn that's tough Also we impossible though No Also we talked about those other two Being rookie of the year

Trey Johnson third in the odds For rookie of the year Ah He's gonna get lost Feel about Trey? Feel anything positive about Trey Johnson? Sure Like I like Trey Johnson

As a as a main rival Going toe to toe with Cooper Flag? No, like there's so many bodies there and the offense will be bullshit for the most part that won't be a good environment for a young shooter. How do we feel about white on white? With Flagg versus Connipal? Yeah. Hell no. I don't, sorry, I love Conn, bro.

He's great player, but I think eventually to start out the year, they should prioritize Colin Sexton. Concexon should be starting. He is starting right now. Yeah. So far in the preseason, he is starting. Oh, there was a game where they like... Oh, they'll be something else. Yeah. Oh, okay, okay. Well, maybe maybe they won't. But yeah, I agree. I think Sexton will probably starts the year.

Yeah. But I don't know. If Cinnip was good, though, he should start if he's good enough. Like, in terms of, like, organizing the offense that makes most sense. Like, and obviously, like, long-term development, it would be ideal if Sexton was push a six-man because Cinnip was that good. I agree. But is he that good?

Yeah, I don't know. Yeah. I have one more agenda before we keep going with the fan ones. This is one that I'm obligated to put on here. Despite me, despite me actually having a rather lukewarm take on the situation, I just have to continue down the hill. DeAndre 8 in redemption My last agenda is DeAndre 8 redemption season

To some degree I'm not here to say it's like superstar or anything Or anything ridiculous But like quality starting center on a good team That gives them the defense they need Gives them the rebounding they need Gives them the lob threat dynamic score they need Like whatever that looks like

For $8 million I think it'll be worth it I get to smack you so like I had to do it like I'm obviously going to be the guy continues to say DeAndre Aden is a little bit underrated I actually don't think he's going to be like amazing or anything I think he'll probably be like good enough for $8 million that's a great deal

for what they need but yeah I think he'll be not garbage like most people will expect and to answer this question okay next year ESPN puts out their top 100 the ringer puts out their top 100 is DeAndre Aidan in the top 75

of the league. Nas Reid was like 79 this year. If he has a good season, yeah. If he plays like very solid defense. Do you think it will happen? Yeah, I think it'll be 69 or so. Like he'll be just around there, which is like where a lot of like good role players are.

They're like not huge new movers, but you want them on your team. I can see that. I think it could happen. I can't stand on it. Again, I don't stand on shit. If the PR around him is good, he's playing solid defense,

that mid-range game is working, putting up like 14 to 16 in the game for sure ESPN is going to view him as a top 75 player Yeah I just think it's very very easy To be a good center Playing nice to Luca Donchich It's even easier to be a good center

Playing nice to Luca Donchich And LeBron James Yeah so like it's a it's a Incredibly softball scenario for him And I I implore you guys To not underrate the value And the motivating factor

Of a contract year This man is making $8 million this year That is a 25 million dollar downgrade from the previous season do you think he wants to make $8 million next year not I guarantee you he doesn't want to make $8 million next year he wants to get back to 30 he will be trying his ass off he will be defending with more effort than you've seen from him since he was 19 years old by pure means of wanting a bag yeah and that is so important I don't think he'll be amazing next year I don't think

amazing year for that I don't know anything about that but this year I promise you effort will not be the issue for the next eight months effort will not be the issue I promise you. He can eat and brides. Now, it would it be an issue that he's a soft rim finisher that wants to finish with Fennesse doesn't get to the free throw line is if he transitioned defense effort and all this stuff like the skill sets that won't be entirely fixed. Yes, there will be flaws in his game.

I promise you'll be trying hard because he wants money. I guarantee it. Okay. You sold me. You got it. Don't ever underrated back. He wants money. That's the best way.

That's all that matters for a player in a situation. And you know how unique it is to be in your physical prime, number one pick? That's not a bust per se. and you're making $8 million after making $30 a year prior like this is a rare situation where like you have more pressure in terms of like long term money making

than anybody in the league because he can either become a league minimum guy next year and be making like at best taxpayer mid-level exception or he can get back to a team wanting to give him 20 plus because he showed he's worth it still

like this is truly do or die for his wallet I hope so man I hope so shit maybe he's like already satisfied it is like he will be making so little money

He doesn't, it truly is do or die for his long-term financial health. Nobody wants to talk about that. What if he's content? He's just like, yeah, I already, like, what if he's content? He's like, yeah, I made my first big contract, like, he said during his, like, 2018 interview. What if he's just straight? You are the same age as John Dr. Aiden. Do you feel content with the money you've made so far?

Do you want to make more? I want to make more. Give me a hundred million dollars in that. If I'm like, I'm chilling. Like, the human psyche, you're going to adapt real quickly. He's going to make the $100 million and be like, oh, there's 300 more. for me, I got to get that. You adapt real quick as a human being.

Give me $100 million in the eyes. See, we're doing the psyche to 8 brain now as he speaks. He's the most psyche needed player analysis ever. You need to analyze Aitin's psyche to have any type of conversation about him. That's like level one to DeAndreate in conversations. Then we can get into transition defense. Then we can get into fruit throw rates. But first, we're going to understand that motherfucker's mental well-being and where he's at in terms of efforts.

What's important to you right now? And what if he said, no, I'm chill. Well, then he's different. he's divorced himself from material beings divorced himself from monetary gain he's an anti-capitalist good for him I hope for the best consider me dubious

that he's not a back chaser I hope for the fucking best when it comes to Hayton jeez man someone said when am I getting the dominating tattoo listen if they win a finals you're on your left cheek if John Jain wins finals MVP I will get some sort of

I won't have his face or anything. No, no, if you guys win the finals, you get an Aiden tattoo? No, because I mean, he could just be alone for the ride. If he's, if he's... No, if you guys win the finals, that means he's the port, like... Okay, I can't say finals or P, that's unfair. Yeah. What do I have...

What's a good line here? If you guys go to the finals. No, if I just make the finals, I'm not going to get a goddamn D'Andre Aton. Fuck, okay. Win the finals. But he has to have, like, a meaningful part of this. Otherwise, it's not worth it. They're not winning the finals if he's not good.

Yeah, he's the thing. And they make the finals, and he averages at least 12 and 10. I will get some sort of DeAndre Aton tattoo. Let's stamp this. What a way to be back. It won't be his face. I'm not an idiot. I'll get something small that's like a reference.

Yeah. If they win the finals and he averages 12 and 10, I'll get some sort of going on. That'll be the same thing. Right here on the side of your hand to have dominate. In cursive? Yeah. I'm dominating right there. I got to figure out what that would look like.

Yeah. I don't even know 12 and 10's the right number. Like, what should I put it on? Not 12 and 10 is. Okay. Fair. Whatever. Like if that happens and he's like

You know he's serious part Yeah And like Yeah I don't know I can't think of a better way To you got another another MVP Brett what Or another championship What?

Somebody say Get a dominating throat Teton Dominating throat Was a 15 8 in one Maybe maybe you should be 15 And 10 12 and 10's already said

Yeah I don't know That's not a very high bar I can't think I want to be a high bar If he went I mean winning the finals The highest bar Sure we have Luca Donchish on my team

And LaBron James winning the finals. I know, but I'm just saying, like, this is about, this is about the Lakers. This is about Deandre Aden. So I feel like this should have more of a Deandre Aden's stake to it. Sorry, man, Tovinton's already written. Me is written. I mean, I'm, can you swear anybody?

12 and 10 in the finals or 12 and 10 for the whole playoff series? See, that's a good thing too. Okay. What matters more? His long term averages or his playoff? Because he, I think long term because he helps you get there in general. So he's like a pivotal plan. 15 and 10 for the whole playoffs, not the regular season, because we can give him time.

We'll go 16. 16 and 10? 16 and 10? Yeah. Okay, 16 and 10 for the playoffs And they win the title I'll get a dominating tattoo of some sort Okay

That's so funny 16 and 10 for the playoffs That's a good line Okay, I like that That's fair 12 and 10's too easy We can't make it too easy on them Okay

You can just But Luca, you can fucking be trashing it Jackson Jackson Wait, let me see what he average 12 and 10 What do he? Wait, let me see what he averaged in the In the

I probably he averred We should have stuck The 12 and 10 man God damn it I know he didn't I don't think I can make you stick to anything That's a problem

You better take what you can get For this bullshit All right that year that they went to the finals he averaged 15.8 points and 11.8 rebounds. Okay, so what's it? Well, add one point,

take away one rebound. Yeah. 16 and 10 for the playoffs and they win championship, I will get a DeAndre Tattoo. Okay. I'll get D.A. on my body somewhere. D.A.

I get on my finger. When D.A. Stanford. I'll get it right here. I'll do a salute with D.A. Oh, my God. Does D.A. stand for it.

That was it Bald Donovan and Isaac Tattoo. Oh, yeah. What do we bet? baldness for oh it was it's the Lakers win the title

wasn't it no no it was the Chargers oh it's the Chargers oh it's the Chargers oh it's a lot writing on my team hey man these are looking up

yeah dude that'll be so did you imagine in one year I saw both my teams win I get a tattoo that he is a bald

dude you're so up fuck the tattoo you're up oh my god this is a year your life because your golden for those who don't know

if you haven't been tapped in to house call if the Chargers win the Super Bowl Donovan has to shave his head and we do it on camera. I get to shave his head.

It's a charge of the Super Bowl after having their entire offensive line decimated and so many other injuries. If they somehow make their way to the playoffs in the Super Bowl, he will be bald on camera.

Oh my God. This is not going to happen. I need. It's not going to happen. I need it so bad, man. Okay, that's all the agendas I have for this year. I had five.

Do you guys have any more before we get to the final segment? I am good. I got some more that I can save for the, well, I got some that I'll save for the, thing uh quick going ahead both thompson twins make first team all defense first team that would be

tough first team is insane that'd be cool though yeah i like it okay very doable okay last thing i want to do today before you end the stream let's talk about expectations for current NBA players I have a hat right here with an assortment of NBA faces in it I'm gonna draw one and I'm gonna show it to you and you guys tell me one thing you want to see from this player this season let's do it so whatever that means to you if they're at random I got like 20 players in here First off, Victor Wembenyama, what do you guys want to see from Wembe this year? Chat, you guys let me know too. I want to see All-N-B-A-W-A-1-1-1-1-1-1-5-1-B.

I was going to say all-M-A is too low-ball. We can get there easily. All-N-B-A-1-1-1-1-I-Bee. I believe it's positionless this year, or it's been positions over the last year or whatever. A couple years, yeah. He needs to cement his spot as one of the five best players in the entire world. If you're, like, genuinely on-goat trajectory, it should start now. Sorry, it's not fair.

But, bro, like, with the type of expectations, with the type of dominance he's already shown in preseason already, you look like one of the five best players in the world. Prove it to me. Yes, I think. And also, actually, it's not unfair. It is completely fair. It's 100% fair. And, like, everybody has all of their rankings and preseason rankings that we've been pushing out, all that stuff. Theory can only take you so far.

Facts. I need to see the product. I need to see you average 25, 12, and 5 with three blocks. Like you need to have one of those yonest type of stat lines. Correct. And we need to have an actual season, an actual season from front to back of you being the, the guy that everybody has thought you were going to be

for the last four years, right? Yeah. It's funny because it's like we're in year three, but it's time. Yeah. I want to see clear DPOI and averaging so many points on such efficiency that you have to be in MVP combos, blitz your way into MVP convos by pure two-way

for us. Also, you can't put a bad rap on the monks because you were out there hanging hanging with them for a month and you can't make it seem like the monks messed up your game. Dude, if he wins all in goes to make all NBA first team, that would mean that. No, God. No, other way around. That would mean that, yo, Wemby's on the team.

I'm assuming Yonis is going to be there, Yolk, she's always going to be there, she's going to be there, and Luca probably will be there. Where are Americans at? where are the Americans at what's wrong with our country let me see you get a triple double with blocks in the season two come on that's actually like pretty reasonable

I think I think he could do I think he I think he can the only reason why I wouldn't is just because everyone does the turnaround whenever they see him so like he has to get a lot of blocks

on the perimeter yeah okay I agree next up Luca Donchich show me that your weight loss was not just

just for the magazine, right? Show me that everything that everybody has talked about since you got traded. He's going to get skinny. He's going to be motivated. He's going to prove Nico Harrison in the Mavs wrong. I need to see Luca set fire to everything that walks in his path

this year. Fuck that. Give me back to the finals. Let me see my Lakers be the finals. He's so greedy. Give me 60 wins to the finals appearance. He needs some, man. Give me a championship. How about that? Let me see that. He needs to feel something. Me personally, I genuinely believe that Luca Donchitz should, would, and probably will prove that he is one of the five greatest point

guards of all time. And if you're going to go ahead and do that, you need to etch your way into NBA history this year. You already let Shea win MVP, won finals MVP. He won regular season MVP. His team won the championship. The whole night, he did what every single guard dreams hopes to do in a singular year. Everyone thought coming into the, after your first year in the league, that you were the one,

you proved to be the chosen one. I need you to like genuinely stamp that top five is crazy but listen I'm asking agenda you should have said true fuck it let's making sure you're gonna go how about that yeah I need to see it he's done all these 70 he scored what 73 points or was a 77 oh I don't you remember the number just fine something something like that I don't know yeah I need to see prove you are a legend get an MVP or get a championship finally stamp it let's do it yeah next one Zion Williamson we get all the heavy hitters right away once no pun intended what do I want to see you

65 games that's all like that's all like you will fuck about display yeah well prove your skinny and prove you can maintain that for the entire season you've come into the year in shape before do it for the whole year don't let the traveling get to you and get you back into bad habits traveling getting all the best food in every city and stay healthy because of it that's what happens that's what happens it's hard to stay fit while you're traveling

the best food in every city it's tough like he's Keith Lee just traveling that's literally what happens it's very tough but yeah like play the whole season and be the best version of yourself that's all that matters don't be Keith Lee please do not be Keith Lee keep the muck made to a minimum we don't want to hear your opinion on the barbecue in Texas we don't want to hear what's good with the keto diet

that's what you're funny as hell next one Shay Gildo's Alexander how does he follow up his legendary season man listen just proved to me that you're not a liar okay and do it again because you told me my whole life is consistent you know from the way i eat to what i sleep to how i trained i just like we're at a point in shay's career where you've already done the hard part everybody always chases like the ring and having a good playoff run you had they really had one year of them being the

number one seed and having playoff droughts and then they just went and you know won the title could have won 70 games like they they had the the thunder had one of the best single season years of all time and so now how do you follow followed up so I guess the thing that I want to see is actually I don't want to see because obviously I want the Knicks to do it but go back to back right this this new era of the NBA nobody goes goes goes back to back you shut everybody up if you are if you go back to back in your industry I comments are crazy they all hate Shea next one dude devon booker what do you guys want to see from the lonely man in arizona damn i want to see a smile

i want to see you have a good time this year yeah it's good i want to see the light and dry how about that it's gonna it's gonna be tough you're gonna lose games the team is not gonna be good but i i just want to see that twinkle in your eye that saw five years ago whenever you were getting buckets that's all i want to see him freed man i want to see him demanded trade we're gonna march in Phoenix shit I will be with you when he comes to that as well it's like from like in Selma you did everyone around behind you with that LeBron picture in that commercial oh fuck that's so old I remember that all right next up LeBron James what do you want to see

you from the oldest player in the league I want to see you on the court fair enough I want to see you be the best second option in the goddamn league I want to see you march in the playoffs throttle every single team that comes your way but really beyond the court that's all that matters at the end of the day I want to see average 25 again I just want to see how many years you can do it for I think it would be cool if he never drops below 25 for the whole career I think it's career average right now oh he didn't do 25 last year my bad did he no he didn't he I think it was 24.2 or something like that

but stay high up there stay in that range let me not see you ever go below 23 or whatever the number is yeah I need to see honestly the greatest season that we've seen from LeBron like today what does that mean what does that mean it means that we're getting the best memes, the funniest moments. There's only so many more years that we have with LeBron and obviously he has all his basketball accomplishments.

His contribution to the meme game to just being funny, I need as many LeBron means as possible. I figured it out. I want to see Brani throw him a lob. We need that one time before he retires. I don't care if it's in the preseason. Actually, you won't play the preseason. I don't care if it's the most meaningless garbage time game. I need to see a clip of

Bronny tossing it up and LeBron finishing it. That happens. going to go on chat gbtie right now if that happens man I'm putting that picture that poster behind this wall bro and I don't give a fuck what no one says leave me alone it could be a lay-up lob I don't care he just needs something I need you something in warm-ups that'll be enough nah nah not not not I'll live it's not not warms it can be in the all-star skills challenge oh they should do the skill challenge together that'd be fun oh that would be fun I feel like you probably doesn't want to do that kind of like bastardization of the

something though he probably doesn't want to like do anything it's like too cute like that just because like you know the context around brownie and brawny and everyone talks about them. They probably don't want to put him on that stage. But it would be cool. I guess. You think they would? Hell yeah! I think they're pretty conscious of like Bronny's whole like image and how people treat

him. Maybe someone like Bronny wouldn't want to do that. Bronny, I don't know if Bronny would want to do that. Brony can't be in the skills challenge before he's in a rotation. I think they know that. Danesis was in the skill challenge and also Danesis has way less criticism on his shoulders than LeBron James Jr.

Alex. He wasn't. he was in a skill shot on too. Fuck the out of the Gumpos. They're completely different. Next name. Bradley Bill. What do you want to see you from the new clipper?

Tailu apparently told me that you were like a great defender back in the day. I found that to never be true. But prove it to me. Yes. Yeah. Lokey.

Yeah. I think I know he can get buckets. Sit down in your stance. Yeah. I know that like you're genuinely a good NBA player. So like people act like you're the worst thing to ever step on a planet of earth. you're not fucking that like you can walk into easy 15 16 points a game show me that but also

play defense yeah i think what i want to see there's obviously like the infamous clip of him yelling at at his a u squad and being like everybody can't be a score you got to have a roll this and yeah all right like on a night-to-night basis you might not be the score yeah you might have to do something else bradley bill so i want to be able to see on any given night especially if kawai's there can you do the other things that the clip is need you to do. Okay. Next up, Anthony Edwards.

I want to see you win MVP. Oh. I want to see you start your prime officially peak Anthony Edwards. I want to see you win MVP. I want to see you drag your team again for the third time to the Western Conference finals. And not losing five games. Exactly.

Can you lose a six? Can you go out respectably? Yeah. How about that, even though he has? Okay. Next one. Joel Embed, what do you want to see from the ailing MVP? That's the number 55?

55. Can we get 55 games? If it's 57, 58, this is a very successful season. So happy with what compared to like what has happened to the best. Let's set the bar at 53. Because I think anything closer to 60 is too high. If we, yeah, right over 50 games, we'll get 53 and a half and you'll probably consider that a successful season. Hell yeah.

Yeah, that means that the sixers are at least like a top five seed in the East. turn conference, major success. Yeah, 53 and a half as well, I put the line at. Mm-hmm. I just want to see him have a good time. You just want to see him happy. Yes. Next name.

Kyle Kuzma, what do you want to see from Janus' co-star? What have you worked on in the off season? What do you do during the off season? Show me what you... That's new piercings, some new tattoos. That is hair. Looks like you lost some weight. That's true.

basketball let's let's show me what you're asking for too much you're asking for too much i gave you the answer it's not my fault you don't like it be a third option please i'm begging you or at least a second option sounds like get out of my face sounds that i can't say on youtube all right next one what do you want to see from austin reeves playing next to luca donchich yeah what's success for austin reese this year i've already thought 20 he already did this last year i think you average 20 last year. I don't, I just want to, for Austin Reeves, I want you to have as good of a performance as you can have that set you up to get the bag that you deserve.

Yeah. That's, that's really it. I see all our homies get paid. Austin Reeves get paid. Yeah. I don't want Austin Reeves to take a dime under what he can. Okay. Okay.

I see. Make Rob Polink his pockets hurt. That's what we want to see. Make his pockets hurt. Exactly. Make the Lakers trick. I don't want to see. Oh, man.

Yeah, I feel like Awesome is who he is. I don't really have any other, like, on the court things outside of that. Just be a really good secondary ballhand of Luca. Yeah. Can you not be a walking lick on defense, too? Oh, can we see you score well in the playoffs at the first time? Yeah, but a couple of playoffs runs where those elite defenders come around

and shit gets spooky real fast. Yeah, he looks very small at times. And he's not a small guy necessarily at all. So listen, when Jaden Daniels is crossing you with fucking 26 feet of arms, everybody looks small. Jayne and Daniels. You got long arms? Jain and Mick Daniels.

There you go. It'd be like that. It'd be like that sometimes. Next up, Blake Griffin. What do you want to see from him from his first year on TV? I just need solid commentary. I need every five years, I feel like some new people come into the game. They always say, we're the new media.

And then, you know, we get like 30, 30, 45 games into the new media stint. And then they start doing the things that old media does. Can you be the true new media? I need some. Fuck that. Can you be hilarious? We know you can be funny. You do stand-up comedy.

Can you be the air of parents inside the NBA? Can you be hilarious while not being an old man that hates on everybody? Can you be both positive and funny? Yeah. Well, like, sprinkling in like a little bit of actual intellect in the basketball world. Exactly. Can you like fulfill that and like be like the next actual new media's darling? I think that used to be J.J. Redick, Lakers coach now.

Now all eyes are on you. The cake is to be had. Be entertaining and not an asshole. challenge level impossible I agree let me see that I don't know if it's possible from a former player

but if anybody can do it is Blake Griffin hell yeah last name kid Cunningham what do you want to see from the young star I want to see him

score 60 this year what the fuck that's tough I like that okay I like that I want to see him score 60 oh that's tough

that's hard as hell for him to do on that I want to see him get 20 assists how about that yo in the same game I'm sorry

I want to see you be prime James Hardin. Some of the motherfuckers is Luke and Jay's Hardin. Not even prime. I want to see you be prime Chris move. I want to see you be prime Chris move. That's funny as hell. Let me see you put out of the MP stateline. Obviously get to the second round.

Can tell you be all NBA. Someone said be better than Shea. Hell no. No. What's the high bar? But honestly, I was. And this is for this is for Cade and for the Pistons as a whole. Lead your team to a top four season.

I want the Pistons. to have home court advantage. Because, like, out of everybody else, they do have the most continuity coming in, in terms of, like, the Hawks changing up their roster. You got the magic trying to bring in Desmond Bain. Everybody on that Pistons roster, a majority of them were there last year.

You made it to the playoffs. I need to see you guys take that leap together. And then let's have a game one in Detroit this year. Splash. Shot clock cheese. And that's all the names I have today. It's everything we want to see for about 15 stars or whatever. And that's the end of the stream.

For all y'all that are still here, we appreciate you coming through for the first and redition. Well, I shodd to say addition and rendition the same time. So I said like, we're edition. For the first edition of TD3 Live of the season. Many more to come. Great season starting. The next one will be next Monday, which will be the opening night preview, which

should be a fun one. Got some good games coming up there. This week, we have the official TD3 predictions episode coming out on Friday. It's going to be big one. we always say this last year we did solid year before that god damn cataclysmic we'll see which side we go on if you sag off your swag's off and with that being said we'll see y'all next week