The Deep 3 Podcast - Every NBA Team's Biggest Offseason Problem | Ep. 223

Episode Date: June 18, 2026

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I'll eat it The cranium is crazy Oh my God Crown eaters Rejoice So let's jump straight into it Going every single team We'll go division by division

Let's start with the division That has the Boston Celtics As the first thing we talk about today What is the biggest priority For the Boston Celtics is offseason? Fiesel's what do you think As a Celtics fan in here. Very easy.

Let's get 34 in the building. Yeah. I'm not talking about Paul Pierce, man. Let's lock this in, man. I'm tired of the rumors. Who the hell refers to Paul Pierce is 34? Me. You don't only want.

You just like numbers a lot. I just like numbers. I don't know. But yeah, we got to get Janus in the building, man. That is priority number one. Mm-hmm. I have the Boston Celtics is one of my teams. We all have 10 up here.

I wrote, win the Yonis sweepstakes. That's the biggest priority. We've got a lot of smoke in the air about Janus in the last few days. Seems to be as a bidding war between the Miami Heat and the Boston Celtics. At first, there's rumors that the Boston Celtics trying to get him meant the assumption of Jalen Brown being traded was becoming a reality. Past couple of days we're getting rumors to try to find a way to get it done without trading Jalen Brown, which I don't know how the hell you could possibly have the contracts of Jalen Brown just and Tatea Mignon. Mignonis. That's three of the top 10 contracts in the league.

That seems unrealistic to me. So I tend to lean that it probably does mean Jailen Brown will get traded and they're maybe putting that out to save his feelings or something in case doesn't happen. Nevertheless, I want to see it happen. And I think as a Celtics fan, B. Souls agrees, I think if you're a Celtics fan out there, I think you should be very open to the idea of Yonis coming and changing up this team. They, so there's two things that happened yesterday along with the reporting that let me know that he's probably getting traded. Yeah. The Celtics put out a tweet with a picture of Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown from 2016 and then a picture of them in 2026 and they said,

they grew up so fast. You're trying to play on heartstrings right now. He's getting traded. So you think they posted that because he's feeling away and they're trying to be like, Yeah, like, yeah, you're, you're looking back on, on the good time. You're trying to, you're trying to soften that blow. That's going on. Number two, Jalen Brown, you know, he had his streaming university application out into the world.

We've already talked about what streaming has done for him and this team specifically. Those two things, I think that the Celtics are very, very locked in on Janus. And then when you add the fact that like Brad Stevens and all of his comments, of like, you know, I'm not trying to lose, like, I'm not trying to go out in certain ways. Like, he probably is gone. Yeah. I think Jaylon Brown's gone. Yeah.

I'm not going to lie. And I guess we can just co-op this and get the Milwaukee books out the way too. You know, Janus is Janus. And this thing has been going on for, feels like, 12 months now at this point in time. And someone like Jalen Brown is a perfect pivot in terms of making your team relevant, considering that this team ain't got no picks. for the next one, two, three, four. Like, they don't have control of their picks until the year 2030, 2031,

which is ridiculous. And for a team like that, who has not much young town outside of, you could say Ryan Rollins, who is very promising, a damn near one most of the player of the year. You have that. You're walking into the outseason with Jalen Brown, who's a ready-made star already, who can keep your team somewhat relevant.

And then you have the 10th overall pick. This is the best case scenario for them in terms of being team that's absolutely left in the mud with no real assets at all outside of Ryan Rollins in this 10th overall pick. I think this is the best case scenario for them. Yeah. And I kind of think they might, if they do that trade, let's say the Celtics win that bidding war, right?

Focus on the Celtics for this park portion. I almost feel like the bucks if I probably reroute Jalen Brown and try to like, like you said, maximize assets, maximize young player timeline things. You can get a lot for Jailen Brown in the open market, I would imagine. Yeah. There's a lot of reports being set out there. but I do see the similar theme of like the bugs don't want Jalen Brown, but they want to involve like a third team in this

so that they can get younger assets and draft capital. And that is, that opens up a whole different category of teams that we're not even thinking about as being big players for a superstar player, which I think we'll call Jail Brown a superstar for the sake of this combo. He can fit anywhere. You know, the money's the money, so that makes it complicated for a lot of these teams. But in terms of the on-the-court product, one of the more malleable stars in the league,

obviously has put offball a long time next to Jason Tatum, next to many other players have come through there that need the ball on their hands. Clearly show this year he wants to and can do some stuff with the ball in his hands as a score at least, which even if you have another lead playmaker guy like a Kate Cunningham,

having an all-ball score next time that doesn't got to focus on playmaking. That works. Jaylon Brock will play for like 20 teams in a league. Yeah, I agree. If you're the bucks, though, how much, especially like, like how much of just relevancy

do you want? Like, I do you crave that a little bit? I would think they're not in the position to care about that, but I don't know their owners. Because the reality of the roster, craving relevancy to me implies that you have an opportunity to be an average team, is I think what you're describing. I don't think they have that in front of them, do they? What's all you honest, they're going to be bad. And it's like, I think there's probably smart enough people in the smart offices to know that our attempt at being average will still be below average. So maybe we need to bite the bullet.

I don't know. I would be, in my mind, I think it would be more enticed to bite the bullet if you had something worth biting the bullet for, which is their own picks and stuff like that. And unless they like traded them to, let's say, Portland who has like majority of their stake, then yeah, I would like bite the bullet because that means you could potentially earn your picks back for not free before Jalen Brown. And I would do that. But outside of that, I would, me person, I think I'd like, I'd see the value in keeping someone like Jalen Brown who can have a run of three, four years, whatever of being the main guy. and it was like winning, I don't know, 43, 42 games or something like that a year compared to just like having, I don't know,

some random mid-tier young player who can, who can like give you some type of hope. I don't want that. Yeah, because I do think, especially with the lottery changing up, and we'll see how it goes because if it doesn't go well over the next three years, then by the time you get done with like this,

like if the Bucs do get Jalen Brown, by the time you're done with the mini Jalen Brown era, then there is a potential that things can just go, you know, back to the way that they were. And you really are prioritizing, like, just future draft picks, young players, all of that. But let's say that it stays and that everybody that the league operates in a way that Adam Silver likes. Having Jalen Brown and keeping you just in the middle, I think that's a, that's an okay

place to be in because then it just sets you up to maintain being in the middle moving forward. That's a good point. And so the draft lottery changes things. Yeah. And so I think this, like the way that that team. build teams now is completely different than what it was last year. You're right. I'm glad you mentioned that in the first combo because we do need to think about that in every single

combo for the rest of this episode, that this will be the first offseason that teams plan around these new rules that are implemented, I think next year, right? Yeah. 2027 draft we're going to have this new lottery. So, yeah, there's going to be a lot of teams that look at that and realize we need to be the Bulls. And the Bucks might be the team best set up to be the Bulls next year if they really want it. They might want Jailen Bound in that case.

You're right. Maybe they do want that. Okay. Now, for them, it wouldn't necessarily pay off because, again, they don't have their picks for the next few years. So when they be the Bulls, it'll really pay off by the time 20, 31 hits or whatever.

So I guess what I mean by that too, for them specifically, is being the Bulls doesn't have to mean your picks. It could be a Jaylon Brown trade still. It could be whatever moves they make to go get average for show and picks. In previous years, maybe you'd want premium draft capital for moving off a guy like Yannis,

moving off a guy like Jalen Brown. Now if you take the, who's a team that might be in that mix for Jaylen Brown, you can take the Hornets pick or whatever it might be, and because of new draft lottery rules, that could be a mid-tier pick. The Hornets would be better than the 7th C.

But I'll use them as an example because they were just that. That can immediately be a top five pick now with these new rules. So maybe that impacts the type of assets they're willing to take in return and not necessarily needing a pick that is a Nets pick or something

in previous years where we say that's going to be a great pick and a deal. You know, we're going to for mid-picks and bad contracts and we're going to get to 42 wins. And that's exactly where the middle is going to lie. And so if you are, Like, if you are Portland or somebody like that, this is, I think Jaylon Brown adding to Portland, the West is hard.

So it's, it's difficult to see them, like, making a real road, like, push forward. But you're really in that spot of where you want to be at in order to get the number one pick. Like, you're a team that won 42 games last year. You were the seventh seed in the playing range. Like, you can do all of those things. So there's, there's a couple teams that are, like, really, really bad. And the ones that we saw this year in terms of like Utah and Washington, and it's like, why would Utah just go out and randomly get,

uh, Jerry Jackson? Why would Washington want Anthony Davis? There's some really, really bad teams that I think may be able to get involved in the Jalen Brown, you know, sweepstakes just to be in that middle portion. The Hawks have been linked a lot.

The Hawks have been linked a lot because Jaylon Brown's my liner. Yeah, Mo. No. Getting Jailin Brown. No. You're above getting Jailen Brown? Get that camera off of me. No.

So let's zoom out real quick. Let's talk in this first section about every team linked to this Jalen Brown saga. We'll go to those teams before we go division by division. Let's throw the Hawks in there. Why do you feel like the Hawks are above adding a Jalen Brown? I feel that's kind of ideal, isn't it? I mean, I'm like halfway joking. I wouldn't necessarily like, that's not my main offseason move moves.

That excite me. But only because like he makes so much money and like realistically speaking, how good are we if we unload, I don't know, Dice. and Daniels or something like that. And our eighth overall pick potentially is what it might cost to for Jalen Brown. Where does that lead you to? Are you like a top three team guaranteed in the Eastern Conference? Potentially, that's a nice duo between him and Jalen Johnson.

He is like a very good creator in the Halfport specifically, which is what we like need direly. It just depends on like the asking point for me. Let's go with this proposed framework right here. Okay, read that out for us. So Boston gets Yannis and Miles Turner. Atlanta gets Jalen Brown and Sam Houser Bucks get number eight overall Number 27 overall

Dyson Daniels Jonathan Cominga and feature first via Boston So it's Caminga Daniels eight overall pick for Jalen Brown and Houser which okay Okay if from the bucks I like I love this Because you have like three young assets And then Cominga who can do

You know eye popping things to keep the fans in your seats Jalen Brown and Sam Houser is like directly What we need for this team considering spacing. Samhouser changed with you? I'm not going to lie. That was kind of crazy. What is it? That was kind of crazy. It's spacing. No, Comingo put him butts in seats. That was kind of wild.

I mean, shit. Like, he could dump really iron dust. Some old white racist man. Oh, y'all is still there. You know? It is what it is. Yeah, I do teach me. That is a good, like, tank commander type of player that's going to be entertaining. He low key is busting seats. I'm not going to lie.

Yeah. For sure. A rebuilding team in the middle? Loki. I guess. kind of wild. Give you get more time. Is that low key is kind of an exact butts and C separate role player?

Okay, so Boston, this type of deal that makes sense, right? You get Miles Turner and Yannis, you're not changing the nucleus your team entirely. Like, you know, two players going out, two players coming in, it's not like it's just crushing your depth

or anything. The beginning of this conversation was what's one thing the Celtics should focus on this year? It's changing up their team in Yannis. Does anybody see a reason to be against this to just run it back and say Janus isn't the right choice

right now at 31 years old? coming off with three show years of injuries? Maybe. I think the argument would be Tatum was coming off an Achilles injury last year and was immediately ramped up to 40 minutes a game and then you saw the effects of that within two months of him playing.

And he had a very, very quick recovery. Shout to him for, you know, being able to get onto the court. But if you actually had a full year of everything, if you're on the side of consistency, that would be it. And I think from a basketball person, perspective, there is reason to say we've, we know that Jane and Jason Tatum can work.

My biggest concern really is if Jaylon Brown is just, I don't want to do the second banana thing anymore and I should be the, I should be the number one guy and you don't want to deal with that. I understand that. And I've been a person that's been like, yo, you have to trade him for that reason. But basketball wise, they can, they can definitely build around the margins and keep Tatum and and keep it moving. I think you're right.

I agree with all that. I do also lean Jalen Brown probably has it in his head even if you won't say it and it's probably smart and proactive to address that if you have the opportunity and I think this is a perfect opportunity because I think in any year of their lives any context I would rather have Yonis and Jalen Brown and the margin moves that it takes to fill in the value gap there aren't that substantial and for that proposed model two for some picks you have Houser get back Turner which maybe you're taking on some bad money if you felt that's the case for Turner but you need a big man to pair with Yannis so I do think that's actually like another useful player there that's

Probably just as useful as Sam Hauser. You're just a better team to me by having Janus and Jalen Brown in almost every way. The only argument against it, I think, would be the fact that Yonison is never healthy anymore and that could concern you, especially when Tatum is coming off of an Achilles injury. Don't know if that's going to cause lingering injuries

and he also becomes injury prone. There's some built-in risk there. There's built-in risk with every player. I don't know if I'm willing to say Janus is like always going to be injured now. I don't know if it's the type of injuries that I should be that concerned. You need to acknowledge it, but I don't know if it's like a degenerative knee where you'd say it's a reality.

He's not Anthony Davis, you know? So I kind of just think you're getting one of the best players in the world to pair with one of your best players in the world in Jason Tatum. And that simple element above all might just make it worth it. Yeah, I agree.

I think the upside is ridiculous and we haven't seen like two guys who are clearly like top 10 players in Tatum considering how he was getting back into shape when the towards the end of the regular season and had like a good playoff run within himself too.

And Jan is just like people, I guess it's weird to say now, but he's still routine. like a top three player in the world and whatever like whatever order you want to put them in. We haven't seen this like type of star duo or dynamic like join up with each other in my in my opinion. Since like maybe like Katie and stuff, you know, like that's the level of like stardom that we're talking about right now. Yeah, like Lillard and Yonis is another close one. But Tateham was better than Lillard assuming he looks like Tatum next year.

For sure he is. And maybe the gap isn't gigantic. So maybe Yonis and Lillard is an example of a comfortable duo. A lot of the problems people had with the Lillard and Yonah's duo, while it was never quite as good as you hope, Tatum doesn't have those problems. Tatum doesn't need the ball in his hands. Yoniston, like being a screen setter, Tatum will play off ball.

It works more naturally, I think. That's not even to talk about the defensive side of the ball, which is obviously a beautiful fit. It does, but I'm not going to, I am nervous about the injury stuff. Fair, fair. Yeah, you told us that before, I believe you. And the, if it was like different injuries, like a wider rate, I think honestly I would feel a little bit better.

The fact that it's been consistently a calf injury, where there have been a majority of the reason why he was out for this year. Part of the reasons why he's missed playoff runs in the past has been for calf injuries and then just knowing that he is aging, knowing how explosive his game is. I am worried about that. And like, are we going to get to another situation? Their season literally, like, if Tatum is there in game seven, do they win? Maybe.

We can say that they probably win in game seven at home if they have Tatum on the floor. their season once again gets altered by a calf injury and I just think that from the Achilles injury to Tatum being out there to once again if you go into the playoffs next year and Janice is not there because

oh my goodness we're in March and he's playing 29 minutes a game and still the calf is a problem you're going to feel extremely bad about the move that you had that you made. Yeah I think for me a part of that is also my concern but another

part of this that I am concerned about is like we're trying to fix a problem with the Celtics and why they can't get back to the top. And I'm still not fully convinced that it's purely Jalen Brown. Like I, you know, the last two years, there's been a lot made about Joe Mazzula's coaching. And when we lost to the Knicks, when we lost to the Sixers, it was, you know, why can't Joe Mazzula stop shooting threes? Or why can't he stop having the team shoot threes? If we go and get Yannis and we still have those same issues, it's kind of like, yo, we still have the same issues even though we have

better personnel Yeah the problem is not Jaylen Brown I think that's a good way to frame it he's not the problem he's just an avenue to be able to fix the problem

and he might represent an incoming different problem and you can get ahead of it when you have the opportunity to swap out for another star I do think Janus would help the live and die by the three thing just by the simple nature

of having an elite slasher that you know does not shoot threes so he cannot die by the three it is not possible for Yonis to die by the three nah Missoula gonna make him get him up You honestly rather die than do that.

Listen, he's taking minimum three threes a game in Boston. But I also, maybe four. I also don't think that you can. I also don't think the South's biggest problem is living and dying by the three. I think it's easy to point to that and be like, oh, Missoula, same hard-headed coach. That's not why they lose, I think. I think they lost last year in large part because their big man group just wasn't good enough. Like we thought it wouldn't be preseason.

They had a great regular season. We said, okay, I guess you've proven to us. It's not a problem. It became a problem. Joel and Beaton fucking alive, having Janus and in this scenario, Miles Turner, fixes that. That's their biggest problem to me is that they don't have any force on the interior. This is directly addressing that biggest flaw. Yeah, they tried to go ahead and do that with Nicola Vucevich, but, I mean, we all know what happened.

Repeat that name. Repeat that name for me. Ooh, Nicole of Usovich. Yeah, that's tough. So, yeah, I think I'm in favor of the Celtics getting Yannis. If they don't get it, I understand. The downside. If they don't want to get rid of J.

I understand. But I would like to see them do that. bucks we talked about it their biggest priority for the off season is clearly just getting the most for yonnes right yeah is pivoting off of the honest era in the best way possible we talked about at length whether it be star like jelm brown maximizing draft picks getting the most for yonness and ending this horrible era that's a need yeah 100% and it's more important than ever that they nail they absolutely nail this at year's the NBA draft because they don't have their draft picks again going into the future and yeah of course like they would have loved to aim higher but the 10th overall pick is not the worst at all

and there's going to be a couple of guards who are going to be available. That could legitimately, like, change your franchise and keep you above water regardless of whatever, like, you might get for the Yonis package. And you might be able to trade down, too, if you want, and get multiple young players, since you're not going to have control of your picks, get more bites of the apple, get 12 and 17 from OKC or whatever might be. There's options at the table that this can be a transformative draft if they do well. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

One more team we'll talk about as linked to Yannis before we move on to division by division talk. I mentioned there's two teams, one of which is the Celtics. The other is the same old desperate Starhunger team that's in these combos every goddamn year that Miami Heat are the betting favorite to get Yonis right now.

I saw somebody tweet, I think it was no, was BESA that tweeted that Tali Hero is the new THT in a first round pick. He is. And he's being dangled around for Yonis,

which makes sense we talked about before it became like the obvious thing that we don't see the vision with Norm Powell and Tali Hero. They clearly cannot be the best versions of themselves together. Got to trade one. Tyler here has more value.

Yonis makes a lot of sense next to BAM, who's now a stretch five. I kind of like it. Is that their priority? Is it getting Yonis? Or is it non-Yonish trades you see as a bigger option? No, they have to get Yonis. Yeah. Just off of reputation alone.

Like, they've been involved. They've been linked to so many big trades and just have not closed the deal. Yeah, over the last couple of years. And you have been patient and patient and patient. and just waiting for the right time to strike. And this feels like, Janus, in terms of the way that he plays and the way that he operates,

feels like a very, very good match in terms of culture. But I got to see the heat, you know, make a run. Because the hero and the norm pal in those conversations and everything that we talked about with their team building construction, it really is, all right, what are we actually doing? Because you still have Pat Riley, you still have Eric Spolcher,

have bam, those three guys are pillars of your franchise. What do you want this to amount to in the next couple of years? Do you just want to keep spinning the wheels for 41 seasons and first round exits? Like, I'm not sure what they actually want. And I think that Yonis would give them a, or would signify to everybody else exactly where the heat lie and what their plans are. I think you do know what they want. And I think you just told this. I think you don't want to admit it because it's a little weird that they want this so much. But I think they admit it abundantly clear they would like to spend their wheels and get 41 teams every year until a yonness becomes available i think that's precisely what they want to do and so this is the perfect time so you have to

go out and you have to to capitalize like i was very hard on them when they didn't get dame because i was like because there had been two other stars that they were linked to and they didn't go get and i was like all right pat like i think you're kind of washed but if if this is if this is the ultimate move that you were waiting on fine but i just don't want them to keep like you know waiting to actually jump in and do the thing. There's also reports that do not get Janus. Let's say they pick the Celtics package. They're linked to possibly trying to get Tray Young away from the Wizards if he's available.

Let's say they go and get, let's say they pick Peterson first of all and they feel like he could be a league guard for them and now Tray Young is expendable. There's reports that he are talking trying to get him. So it does sound like by any means necessary. They're going to walk out of the summer with a star player that they're determined to figure out what is they got to buy low, high in between. They're going to find a star. here this also says

John Morant and Kauai Leonard or poorly players are thinking about These boys desperate man Desperate Desperate you might call it desperate Call it motivated They agree that they're mid And they're tired of being mid

And they're like We gotta get out of this shit However we need to At some level I do respect it The fact that they just stay ready And they're like If there's a start available

We're gonna get a shot on goal I don't know if they're gonna pick us If we're gonna pick our packages We're gonna goddamn try every time Yeah It's not desperate resourceful. I guess.

It's a team with a vision. Whether or not they're good at executing that vision, time is told or not. But they do have a vision. Yeah. Based off of this report, I think for me personally, the most enticing, outside of like obviously, like Janus or whatever,

and maybe even Kawhi if he's, like, truly available, I think I'd rather lean towards someone like jaw over Trey because I think Trey would be maybe a little bit more expensive considering, like, I think, and no matter what, a case scenario, whatever way the draft pans out, if you do even land on Peterson, I think trace playmaking is still absurdly valuable, considering that's not necessarily a super strength of Peterson's game at all.

It's a weakness. Yeah. And so I would rather prefer someone like John Moran, considering the price would be lower. And the PR is like, I mean, not the PR, but the overall values are at all time, all time low. And that's someone who I could look at and work around his strengths. Hopefully, you know, Bamshot, like, what, 29% from three, 30% from three, whatever. but I wonder what that three percentage was like after like the big old 83 point game or whatever

probably better I'd assume and I bet the off the dribble versus captain shoot is different too he was shooting a lot of off triple threep and I bet if he's next to somebody that can be more a creator I think he's showing enough shooting talent that I kind of do believe he can be a respectable spot up guy I just don't want him taking like step back threes which he had to do a lot this year without any playmakers yeah I agree I want to see them get zionne as wellinson like I said a few weeks ago. I said that as a joke. I've been thinking about it more. I think Zion is a very good bylaw right now. No one's not have faith in him to view him as that. I'm not holding on to the idea of Zion as a top 10 player anymore. Like I'd be foolish. I still have that faith in him.

I do still have a lot of faith that he can be a all star and like a very, very valuable player to some team as a top 35 guy or whatever that might amount to. I do think putting him next to Bam out of Bio is a good way to hide his defensive deficiencies. I do think he could be a good playmaker there, could play off with the shooters that they have there and the big movement system they have, running in transition, being a weapon attacking creases in that system they run, I would like that a lot.

And when I say I like that, all that stuff also fits a description of guard Zion, John Morant. So I think one of those two guys would fit a lot there. Yeah, I think after, honestly, out of all of like the, the by-low guys, Zion probably is the best option.

I want good teams that I care about, the Bailo and Zion. And I don't feel like I'm, I don't think that's crazy anymore. I think he played enough. games and we can like have just enough faith that I do think we can say good team should buy low on him we had a conversation about this was it last week or maybe two weeks ago recently since then lebron came on on some podcast or show or something like that and he was like yo if you're 25 years old

i would not recommend you going to my name is guess how old zion williams is precisely 25 years old again super hell no i'm firm on my stance okay fair fair that is that is a very relevant detail here that they surely are thinking about. So yeah, addictions aside, you're right. BBL demon going to the BBL capital. Yeah,

can't do it. Maybe can't do it. We've talked about that before, though. It's, it really is like... We know where we stand. Yeah. I think it's an overthink,

though. I'm not going to lie. Listen, with something, I think with something as tangible and something as, like, real as whatever is going on there, we're in a very desperate time

of his career. Desper time calls for desperate measures. We can be a little. to outside the box a little bit abstract in our approach. You know what I'm doing? The Wire season three, sorry, catch you off. In the Wire season three, there is a police chief of the Baltimore City police named Bunny Colvin who decides to make two blocks of the Baltimore Salones be an anti-police zone

where drug users and drug sellers can go there and operates freely without police interference. They called it Amsterdam. You can go there and do whatever you want. No police will interfere as long as you stay in those two blocks. the idea was that addicts are going to be addicts regardless they're going to be all over the neighborhood doing their drugs selling their shit put them in one spot we can control it and the rest of the city will be clean

and that's a realistic approach to policing because you're not going to solve the issue let's maintain it who's to say that Zion Williamson's Amsterdam is not Miami and then that's how we keep him controlled that we keep him focused by giving him a taste so he stays under control that's all you need so you're saying once you enter his premises his house no phone

no cameras, NDAs are being signed. You're getting patted down, all that, no mics, no nothing. Then you hit Southbeat to do what you want. No Wi-Fi. Okay, I understand it. Or if that approach don't work and he wants more like free reign because he's a grown man, okay, cool, anchor monitor. You got to attach up.

I see that heart rate ticking up for no reason. You're not like hooping at all. Hey, man. It's 11 o'clock at night. Your heart rate's going on. What's going on? But clearly the biggest priority film is to go out there and make a start. trade. They've made that clear. That's the number one goal for this

off season. Yeah. My juice is Dr. Pepper. So that is the Celtics bucks and heat before we get into the rest of divisions. Donne, what team do you want to do next before we get, pick a division to start with? Let's start with the Southwest Division. Okay, who you want? We will start with the Houston Rockets. I think good vibes is their number one I think that's the number one thing that they need for the offseason.

I think that between Shangoon not making the leap between Kevin Durant and his, you know, in the KD files, Reed Shepard not being up to task, Amin Thompson not taking the leap forward that everybody thought they were, EMA Udoca and questions about his, you know, coaching. All across the board, this team, we thought, was going to take a step forward.

And that didn't necessarily happen this year. Obviously, Van Vliet, Stephen Adams were hurt. But the feeling around this team and around this young core is a little bit lower than what it was coming into last year. And I feel like they need to regain that magic. Part of it is one. I think trading KD is there. And it's on the board. And the more that I think about it, that deal that I said the other day of like Fox and a Picker or trying to get a guard for KD, that's really where I'm leaning.

because I just I even if they don't get anything and even aside from just like getting a guard back even aside from that I do think that Kevin Durant has to be gone from this time. I don't think they will though so I can see your point we talk about at length that it makes sense that they want to trade him we've heard nothing of the

sort of them wanting to trade him so let's assume they do keep Kevin Durant right what's the other answer then to you I mean if that's the case then we have to we have to go get like a Kobe White type We have to go get a Collins Sleck. Go get another guard who can go out and be somewhat dynamic.

I know Fred's coming back, but Fred's not some, some like crazy. You have trade Fred then, I think. Yeah. Because you have Fred and you have Reed Shepard. You have a $40 million contract and a number three pick. You devoted a lot of assets to point guard already on this roster. I'm looking at Reed Shepard. If you pop, cool.

I'm not, you're not involved in my plan. No suncost any more. Yeah. Okay. You're not involved in my plan. like that. So I'm thinking that Fred's going to be there and I'm looking at another back court spot that is open. If Richepard, if he comes back and he works this summer and he can fill that spot, cool. You're not walking into the summer with that spot being yours. So I think that

they can make a move for somebody like that, even if it's like a Colin Sexton or again like a Kobe White type of type of player, just somebody else who can who can every once in a while give you 25, but most nights they're probably going to give you 14. I think that would be more intriguing to me. Creating is one thing. The thing is shooting so bad still. Like, one of the bigger problems than just not having a point guard, they couldn't shoot the ball at all.

The fact that the Lakers could play such ridiculous gimmick defense on them in that first round series, because they just could not make them pay from three. They got pawed by Luke Kennard. It's ridiculous. So it needs to be a guard that can do some dribble creation, like you said, and be able to shoot a three respectively. Be a floor spacer. They can't get this guy because he's too expensive.

find whoever the diet version of this guy is then of Tyler Hero. That type of players is what they need. Yeah. Okay. I can understand that. I think I've been on the trade Kevin Durant boat for probably like the earliest I remember. As soon as they lost, I was just like, why is he here? The only reason why you trade for someone like Katie is because you think that these guys,

specifically in Alfred Schengun, is ready to take the next step. You thought his shooting was going to be better. It looked like that for like maybe two weeks at the start of the regular season this year. And it's clear the day that he's just. it's not simply ready to win at that level at all. And I think I probably want to take advantage of the new draft lottery rules and take a step back and not saying purpose like be mid. But hey, man, let KD go. Go ahead and try to get an extra pick for him because at this point in time, you do have all of your own first round picks.

You do have also swaps between you and the Brooklyn Nets. You also do have that 2027 Phoenix Sun's pick as well. There's nothing wrong with admitting yourself and being like, Yeah, like no matter what, we're clearly like a tier two, tier three team in the Western Conference. Let's take a step back, give Katie away to some team who's willing to give us the best package available. And you might luck yourself into a top three pick next year just by accident considering the new draft rules. Yep. Very possible to go either direction there with or without KD, but they clearly need more shooting and ball handling.

And they got to deal with the chemistry concerns of Kevin Durant and see if that really is a healed wound or not. Next team is this division sticking in the southwest. Memphis Grizzlies, one of my teams. Very simple answer. Same answer as we gave the books as far as their biggest off season priority of pivoting off of Yannis. How do we pivot off with the John Morant era?

How do we send us in our new direction? Is the number three pick in the draft? We're going to get a star player or star prospect. We don't know what the outcome is going to be, but there's three to four guys in this draft that we feel very, very confident we'll be stars. They're probably either going to get Boozer or Darren Peterson.

You're very happy either way. Those guys both could play with John Morant if you just, there's no market for him. This does feel like a team and a relationship that you just need to rip the bandit off. Enter a new era, I think. Unless they can just do a great job of re-killing that relationship,

he can get healthy, find a way to get the most out of him, and we're all good again. Maybe we're no longer prioritizing him or prioritizing Boozer as the face or whatever and Jock can still exist there. Maybe. I think it's probably more likely you need to let him go and just enter a new era, turn a new leaf and let him go.

Finding how you get the most value out of him if you can get anything that's good. that's the only priority really and nailing number three pick obviously but I think they're in a spot where they're gonna get the whoever's left there of three great prospects there's not much thought there what's like the worst

type of asset that or worst like group of assets that you would take that you would like have to be offered in order to like keep jama ring in like what if you were in like a train young situation all you got was cedar mccolm and cori kisper i would take cichmcicicicester mcclory i guess mean that's expiring money so that's a deadline deal

you don't take expiring money in the offseason as much but would I take two solid role players and no picks? Yeah, I mean. I think at that point, I might rather like keep Jha and let him like grow through this new young era with the rest of these guys. I could be with you if we saw a little bit out of Jha last year where I could tell myself he'll be better next year.

You know, he fits these guys. Maybe he's not a superstar anymore, but okay. I didn't see a player last year that I have any faith in will be good. And when I say good, I mean, he can be in the league and stuff. I'm not saying he's like a bad basketball player before the standard of a highly paid. player. I feel like many of the issues I saw with him and why he wasn't the same level effectiveness he was in 2022, 2023, kind of did look physical. Like he just doesn't run as fast,

jump as high, be as quick as he once was. I don't know if that's going to reverse himself. So I just don't know if I have the faith enough to be like, if I need to hold on, we can make it work. Maybe he just can't make it work. Maybe he just kind of lost that. Damn. It seems he seems like a deadline guy where if you're not getting Because I don't think I would give up a bunch of picks or a lot of picks for Jai. As another team? Yeah. And so I guess we're going to ride this thing out.

And because I would like to see, if I'm another team and I'm acquiring Jai and I'm thinking about giving picks, I would like to see a couple months of job play solid basketball that I feel comfortable, you know, pulling the trigger. So we'll go into the season and see what happens. If that's the case, and if Jai Kee continues to play bad, but for some reason in your mind, you're like, I just knew the stock was going to take. We're going to fix him. We're going to wait until the deadline. Then you can get him at the deadline and you don't have to give up any picks and you can do the expiring deal stuff.

So honestly, he might not get moved this off season. That would be crazy to me, just because we said he should have been moved last deadline. They couldn't do it. There wasn't a market for it. When he was on a market at the deadline, the assumption is there will be in the summer. Yes, but even the teams that need a point guard are like the two teams that we think about like, oh yes, they need a point guard like Sacramento and Brooklyn and those two teams. They're at the top of the draft or in Brooklyn's case drafted five point guards last year. And they're probably going to take a cuff.

Yeah. Everybody's about to make investments at the point guard position. So I don't know where. Sure. I don't know where the spot for Jod to be traded to is. We just talked about it. Miami. Todd the hero for John Moran straight up.

I am looking at a lot of these I'm looking at a lot of these trade packages for Jaya right now. They are so mid. I mean, again, all of these are rumors, but like this one right here, the Grizzlies get Isaac Akoro, 28 swap in a second.

See, like this is, if this is the case, like, what am I, if I'm, if I'm Minnesota, I mean, if I'm Memphis, O'Coro on a 28 swap? You're not understanding this. He might be terrible. you might not be looking at a player that is still drama rant

and that's the point on why he's worth salary dumping. He might not be able to jump high anymore and might not be worth anything close to a max contract. This is,

I understand that this specifically is stinky. This is stinky. He might be a player you at the pace assets to dump if you give it one more year and he looks the same. If he looks the same way

and cannot jump at the same level, you'll get to the deadline, you'll have to give up a pick to get off that contract. But I don't even think that would be even worse worth the case to get off that contract necessarily.

Just let it play out because you're not in the rush to do anything. You're not in the rush to create up competing and contend at all. I think if that's the type of asset I'm getting, yeah, I'm just keeping you. What if, like, also, situation plays out and you do, like, try to get ahead of it and trade him in the summer summer. What if he just looks good again and better again? Obviously, like, he'll probably be motivated to be better once he gets out of, if he gets out of Memphis. But I think I'd rather, like, I'd rather die with him on the roster than see him thrive somewhere else if the, if the cases like this. I agree. That's like,

That makes sense logically. Did you see a player that you're just going to motivate himself and it being good last year? I did not. I don't think his problem is motivation. I think his problem is he can't move the same. Unless he's going to just figure it out. And maybe there's injuries we don't know about

and he gets healthy and he looks stupid because he looks back to the same. It's been a long time of him not looking the same. I just don't feel the faith. I don't have any reason to assume the best version of him comes out to play next year. Yeah. At this point, listen,

I don't need a coro, but if you can convince me and somehow get me an aspiring vet who can help, like, in great shape this new next era, then I can, like, I could bet that. That cap space might be better at this point, just having it, getting nothing for it in return and being able to take on contracts and figure stuff out. Just to get them out the building?

Yeah, like it might be at that point. We'll see. Okay. Wow, man. San Antonio Spurs. Who has them? That isn't me. They need outside of, because I don't mean, the DM Fox stuff, I, right?

We'll talk about that. That's not even the biggest thing because there is a world where you can go into next year and you just figure it out with the guard situation. whatever. Well, I think, do you believe that should be the case? I think we should talk about that if this is. So I think, I think number one, honestly, and most realistically for them, you need, you need back of bigs.

You need, you need power forwards, you need centers. It was very clear that Wembe could not play, you know, 45 minutes every single night, every other day. Like, that's an issue. And even like that expectation, which a lot of stars do, right, the minutes go up in the playoffs, you should be able to have a powerful. that you know as soon as he goes off the court, it's not going to be complete food.

Cornette, as good as he was in the regular season, the moment he got on the floor, and part of it is a mental boost from other teams knowing when he's not there, we're going to be ultra-aggressive. We know that. You still need to have a little bit more resistance there. And if you do figure out to have a lineup

of Castle, Fox, Harper. Harper is tall, Castle's tall, right? Like the lineup has a little bit of size. I would still like to have some size if you are, if you are playing those three guards. So that's why I'm going to lean for them. If you're just going to tell themselves, Fox was hurt.

We're not doing this. Like everything's okay. Okay, fine. You go out and you get back of bigs. Back up bigs, starting power forward. Champaign, you should be your six man and be very good. They're very valuable. You can't have four, six foot four to six foot five guys next to Wemby.

You can. You got to the finals. So I guess I suppose you can. it would have made a big difference to have a six-foot-nine guy next to him. Yeah. Go get PJ Washington. He's probably available. Yeah.

Yeah. I think, and for them, like we're doing, obviously, there's been so much conversation about Deer & Fox and his performance in the playoffs as a whole and in the final specifically. But I think it is going to be hard knowing that his contract hasn't even started yet. Yeah. And what are we going to get? And so if you're the spurs,

best case scenario is like oh yeah we can move off of d r fox you really want to who right now is like that's the guy i need to get me over the hump this guy who played his absolute worst series of all time shooting wise made bad decisions and his contract is one of looks like one of the worst in the in the league right now it may not ultimately prove out to be that way but that's how it looks right now i don't i don't think you're getting great value for that in this moment and they probably just run it back. And so I do think bigs and power forwards and centers and having a more traditional lineup is probably something that they should look at. I think right now my favorite pick at when it comes to guys who you want to envision slotted next to someone like

Wemby and Cass and all that, PJ Washington, I think he'd be my number one overall pick for sure. Outside of that, John Collins is a free agent. I don't know how the league looks at him right now. I don't think he's like a 28, 25, or even $20 million player. And I do think they have like their mid-level exception or whatever. Someone like that who's just big and knows how to use their size and also can stretch the four out to like a consistent degree considering they don't have any like reliable pull-up shooter, which is like insanely valuable for this team. It was supposed to be Darren Fox.

That's never necessarily been his MO, but even better at that throughout his as time has gone on for his career. and obviously we've seen what we've seen over the last two rounds I mean not even in the finals but the last two rounds of the NBA playoffs yeah like you need some type of shooting for sure they actually have a ton of flaws and a tons of things to address for a finals team just as when you're able to cover up so much you rebounding and spacing from power forward to give you size and starting lineup

backup center pull up shooting for sure and then there is the reality of you've got to figure out if the question is the biggest problem you got to solve this summer the problem you got to solve is that Dylan Harper knows he's Dylan Harper and that he deserves to be Robin immediately. And you're not in the position to make him robin because you have Darren Fox and you probably don't want to sell him at his lowest. So you've got to figure out how to massage those relationships,

distribute minutes, get the best set of those guys. It's a real problem to figure out. Castle, you're on the bench. Nah. It's impossible. If that was an answer, it's not because he's so valuable. So much to figure out for the Spurs. That's tough.

For sure. New Orleans Pelicans. Who has them? I have them. And the number one thing that I wrote for them, is that they just simply need to reset and reboot. They're in this debacle because of the new, the organizational changes that they made last year from top, from the top.

And I fear that there's nothing that they can do to necessarily improve for real other than like reboot around, reboot Zion and send them somewhere else so you can really get into this new era because it's clear as day that the guy who you sold off two years of your organization for in Dairqueen needs to be prioritizing. And that just like can't happen at all in any productive way with Zonon. simple for them. I don't know if it has to be Zion, but I hope it is Zion for the same reasons. I think they have to trade two to three players.

Of their choice, they have too many guys. One, Zion and Queen like you're alluding to, don't really fit that well together. And you have Missy. That's a weird combination of big men groups, right? They have all their guards now. Dejante, Fears, Pool. Trade one of those guys. Probably pool.

They have so many wings from the last front offices rebuild. Trey Murphy, Sadiq Bay, Herb Jones, I guess, George. Hawkinsick throw in there. Trade one of those two guys too. So it really to me you probably trade Jordan Poole, Herb Jones and maybe Sadeek Bay selling those guys where they have value and just strip this down and be able to rebuild things in a way that makes sense. Because right now they have there's a hodgepodge of parts at all levels. Yeah. Like they really need to, didn't they just hire a new coach a couple weeks ago? Who did I hire someone? Jamal Mosey, right? Yeah, they had Jermal mostly immediately after you got fired. Yeah. I think they

fully need to commit to some type of retooling around those guys. I 100% agree. They're not in a bad position at all as a organization. They have literally all of their picks except for this year, sadly. But nonetheless, like, they just simply need to retool fast as possible. Figure out what your vision is, with your new coach and which parts need to go, because those guys have trade value. You can get some for Herb Jones. You can get some for Tray Murphy if you want and just figure out how we're going to build this team because whatever path you go down, you have guys that will fit that path. It's not all of them. Yeah. I feel like Tray Murphy can be some teams in McKell Bridges. And they can get a lot for them. Maybe. Well, yeah, we'll

see. Not five first round picks or whatever. Yeah. Two or three, though, maybe. Maybe two in a pick swap? Yeah. Okay, we did Grizzlies, Pelicans, Rockets. Oh, Mavericks. Last team in the division, I have them. I wrote, can we get Cooper Flagg his lead guard duo? Mm-hmm.

They do not have any lead guard to pair with him that I feel good about right now going to the future. Kyrie don't move you? I forgot to have Kyrie. Never mind. New biggest problem. Are we going to trade Kyrie or not? Okay. Because that's what we talked about.

I forgot to say that because we talked about that before, but we're talking about the pistons and their problems. Are we going to trade Kyrie? and even if we don't, get him a young guard duo to pair with him. Because even if we keep Kyrie, I can't imagine you keep Kyrie for more than one or two more years. He's getting older. Eventually, the time line just won't match, whether he's trading Kyrie now to a team where he can go contend or keeping him around and drafting an heir apparent point guard that can be the long-term partner with Cooper Flag. Figuring out the present and the future of the point guard position with Cooper Flag specifically,

who I think very much will thrive next to a guard that can create, that's a priority to me. Yeah, I agree. It sucks that they ended up with the ninth overall pick they fell. And because right now they have like no control of whoever this future point guard might be. They just have to pick whoever they feel like is best after all these guys get taken up ahead of them. So whether it's like Kingston Fleming's or if A Cuff somehow fucking fall, just hard to believe. Or McCle Brown Jr. One of those guys like straight up.

Yeah, they have to straight up get them. Listen, they have a lot of expendable big pieces right now. They could trade up. Maybe. That's true. If Kyrie gets traded, they get picks back, which they didn't have to trade Kyrie the next 48 hours, which I don't think they're going to do. We would have heard about it by now. Unless

crazy trades happen. I don't know. They could trade Peter Washington to move up to six or whatever. Like there's right ways to go about it where they, if they really, really loved A-Cuff,

pretty much him specifically, they can get up to that range or take the best that falls to nine since there's like three-point guards in that range. I'm assuming one of those teams above them will take a non-point guard. Somebody will follow them. Like they'll draft Kings and Filming

if they like him. He'll be there at nine. So that's an option. It doesn't even necessarily got to be the draft. It could be acquiring somebody that, maybe it's a drama, We're talking about all this stuff around jaw. Maybe they feel like Jaws are answered.

I hope not. But stuff like that, there's other options out there. Getting a guard for next year that even if you're not a great team yet, having a guard you feel good about can facilitate Cooper Flags growth is important to me. Yeah, I agree. And it's also, this draft is super important also considering, you know, like again, when through the Luka era, they literally unloaded the clip and gave Luka everything that they could, they could possibly need and they have no future picks.

So now is the time to absolutely cash in And really like get the guy Who can be around Cooper Fly for the next like Seven years or so Another reason to Cherrie Can we get two picks for him? That's in conversation

I'll take whatever salary you got Give me two picks Yeah I would What? Carries 34 now? Yeah 34 off in ACL Terry Give me two picks That don't have to be good first

Give me two first round picks You can put protection on one if you really want If you want to feel good about winning the deal Whatever salary you got Yeah man That thing will have to be protected go for it protect one whatever you want i just need two pick you you want unprotected not too yeah it can be the 17th pick in a draft that's good enough okay they have to be in their

bag this summer when it comes to their free agency you know i wish was a free agent for them i wish ty jerome was this class i would love ty jerome with cooper flag that's like that's such a great player to sit down and build with the young cooper flag and now he gets a build with i didn't mention that with the grizzlies that's why i also want to get john marat the fuck up out of here because we have ty jerome to come in and step in there so we can get him out of here and like, Hill those shoes already. No, bad it got to be

for John to be like, you know what? We got Tide Jerome. I think Tad Jerome was really good. I don't even think that's crazy. I think Tad Jerome is, I don't know how to feel

about John Moran's stature to say who's going to be better next year because I don't know what he doesn't look like. I don't think the gap is big enough for me to lose sleep. Stand on. And say Tadroam is going to be better.

There's a good chance. There's a good chance that's going to be better. We'll see what John Rand's health is like. I don't want to write off his jumping ability 100%, but I'm writing it off like 85%.

And if he looks as Washington did last year, Tadero might just be better. That was just on West Division. He crashed on it. I respect it. Yeah. See, I'm not going to stand on something I just thought about two seconds ago. It's a new thought.

I haven't thought that much enough to know if I'm going to stand on it. I'll consider it. That's funny. Let's finish out the Atlantic Division. We already did the Boston Celtics in our Yonis portion of this conversation. Nix, what is one thing they should address this offseason? Oh man, I have the Knicks and the number one thing that I said is that y'all need to provide every New York Nick fan with EDM therapy. Do you know what EDM therapy is?

I do not. Let me go ahead and read out the actual definition for you guys who are out of the week. A specialized evidence-based psychotherapy designed to help individuals heal from symptoms for emotional stressed caused by traumatic or highly distressing life experiences. They all lost their fucking mind when the next one of the finals, man. And in the NBA, I've never seen so many fans be as violent or just as like ferocious as they've been through wins or even losses. Through losses, I get it. I understand. But wins you beat people's ass off of winning?

For what? Where is that aggression coming from? That's just New York and New York culture overall. So I can like somewhat get it or whatever. But still, therapy is needed. Now, it comes to the basketball side of things. I mean, like they got their core locked up for the next few years still. The only like pivotal piece that's like actually going to probably be out of the building is Mitch.

And that sucks because he's really damn good and valuable for the 15 to 20 minutes that he can't provide. And I guess they got to like really just get in their bag when it comes to the draft shit for real or try to find the replacement. But even that will be like pretty hard. I know Mitch is going to get it back. So many teams are going to want to want to get him after seeing the type of job that he did against the spurs. And throughout the playoffs for real. Yeah. The biggest priority is just replace Mitch probably.

figure out if you can keep them or replace them yeah that's really it other than that bow parade have fun enjoy your summer yeah it could be fantastic yeah they could just keep mention be like a second apron team yeah they could do that too decide if it's worth it or not you know and that's that's a that's another you know conversation like if they actually want to deal with all of the restrictions but for you can for one year like yeah and for the reason that you said like your core is is locked in you know you've already invested so much in getting mckell bridges or o g all these guys um i think I think it's okay if you go into the second apron and the stuff that you do need

like you still need I would say a little bit more shooting from like the wing position I would like to introduce you to Mo Di O'R No I know you gotta keep him you got to resign him and so he would he would be one of the one of the people that would that would fill that role if you are like you know if you are if you do become a second apron team and try to really just retain your guys

not go out and make a whole bunch of crazy moves. That would be, that's the, that's the play. Yeah. Okay. I have the Toronto Raptors. This is very difficult. The problem is the roster is not good enough right now. They don't have the juice around Scotty Barnes.

The Ingram, Barrett, quickly, pertal, starting combination around Barnes. Just straight up isn't good enough. And basically every way, it's hard to identify one problem to solve there to make it good enough. Other than, you know, we've got to replace. we need two new starters, ideally, if we can get something for these guys. You're not getting shit for Yacopurals, so that's tough.

So that's already won. You're probably stuck with him where you're going to dump them for nothing. Ingram, I don't know that, I don't get the sense that they're ready to give up on Brandon Ingram.

I don't know if anybody gets the sense that they are. No, but they probably should. Yeah, that's a different conversation. But will they? I don't think so, just because it's not like he has he's screaming's value, you know?

RJ Barrett, they like him, and he fits most of the configurations you want to do around him quickly? Are we going to upgrade that spot? That'd be nice. Can we? I don't know.

They're running it back. Probably. So then how do we improve on the margins? You empower Colin Murray Boyles. They have a lot of good young players that you feel good about. I kind of think you'd like... I do a world you'd like to configure your team

so you can start or close games of Colin Murray Boyles consistently, which means him and Scotty Barnes with spacing around them. You also need a center around them because Yaka Pertil is not the center, but you don't want to have Scotty Barnes to be like small ball five

as any recurring thing that you do as like your main move. That kind of comes back to trading one of Ingram or Barrett, I think. Trey Brandon Ingram. No one's, he has the lowest. Yeah, like we can say that, but like, what is that going to like to do what?

Yeah, like no one wants him. Now, I got to think, man, we're trying to be, the whole league is trying to be mid. I'm going to go get Brandon Ingram. You will be on my team. And so, like, for the, for the Raptors, I think if it obviously frees you up a little bit, to have a little bit more flexibility. If you get off of Brandon Ingram's contract And if you're somebody else, you can have a young player

that you are thinking about. Basically do the exact same thing that the Raptors just did, which is we have our young star. We have somebody in our young core that we feel pretty decent about. Let's go get Brandon Ingram to help him out and to score a little bit. If I was a Sacramento Kings, I'm shipping Zach Levine for someone like Brandon Ingram immediately in a fucking heartbeat. Are you sure?

Yeah, for sure. Simply because he's a nuclear shooter. That's the only reason why I would do so. No, I'm saying if you're the Kings, why would you rather have Ingram? Yeah, I mean, you have nothing else. What do you mean? Like, Zach Levine's like 30, 31 years old or whatever.

And like he's just sitting rotting away on your team. So you want Ingham to rot in his space at 29? I mean, I think he is more of a, he gives you like, I don't want to say a decent for whatever, but he's better than Zach Levine. He can do more things. I don't know, honestly, if he's better than Zach Levine, he just doesn't play for the Kings.

I think when it comes to working on, working with like nothing around him. He's probably better until because he's a better creator. I don't know if any of this is true, honestly. Listen, man. Listen, man. The Yadden has begun. He doesn't work. He doesn't have been.

I don't think Ingram Gap's Levine in any way. He's a better creator with the ball on his hands. I for who himself? And it goes in kind of, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. I'd rather have him than Zach Levine because Zach Levine just. I think I'd rather have Zach for a lot of teams.

I don't know. I mean, for a lot of teams, yes, before the kings. Like, I'd rather have Ingram. And for Toronto, I would rather have Levine. If I'm trying. Your biggest goal for this all season, Trit Ingram for Levine. But like that's,

they both just, ass cheeks in summer, clapping together. You're doing nothing. There were linked to Trae Young at the deadline before he became a wizard. If he is available, I would like to see them revisit that. I think Troy Young, I don't know.

Again, the Ingram contract is two years. years, $40 million because of the player option. I don't know if you can even move that. I don't know if anybody wants that after what we just saw from him in the playoffs. If you can move him in some way, you can move maybe quickly to, quickly Ingram, whatever picture got attached

in a three-team deal to net getting Tray Young back. And Tray Young can be your point guard to enable Scotty Barnes and Colin Murray-Boils and Ingram, I mean, RJ Barrett, as your winged scorer. I kind of like that configuration of the team, I think. Ideally, you also get a big that's worth anything. I don't know if that's possible for them right now. But I think getting a Tray Young type,

Or are you just getting Trey Young if he's available? Could be a move. For sure. If that's like a real thing and for whatever reason the Wizards do want to move off him, which is not crazy for me, but like I wouldn't want to do that for the Wizards. But considering like the type of team that you have and how you're just massive all around, you have Colmarie Borough and Mark Colmarry Bowers and also Scotty Barnes who are like all class defenders. I think Colomery Bowers is going to be a top 10 defender, possibly soon as next year in the league.

He's that, he's that scary and special. Trey is the perfect type of guy you want around him. Yeah, but that means you probably give the wizard your 2026 first-on-pick for Trey Young. Give them some reason to get rid of him. Sure. And then probably give you your 20-27 first-on pick to have the 13 minutes that's taking all this bullshit money off you. I would. Two first for two first, Ingram and quickly for Trey Young and probably another part for salary.

Another role player. If I'm the Raptors, I would do that because that's like probably one of the only avenues to get yourself out of this hell. Okay. And let's say the third team is like the Bulls or something. They take your room's money or the Nets taking room's money. and you get role player X-back. So you have a eighth man on your bench plus try young for two first-time picks and two starters.

Okay. It's not the greatest deal, but I guess, I mean, it's really hard to figure out what they should do because you're kind of stuck with the mediocre-ass team. And I don't even, I think Raptors fans will hear this and not love it. I don't know what else to tell you, honestly. I'm trying. I give you as much thought as I have.

If you guys have better ideas, please drop them down below. And if you have good ideas, you should be a part of their front office. You should not be in the comments. Who is Brooklyn Nets? What should they do? What's their biggest priority? Brooklyn Nets. I'm with the six pick, right?

Yep, six pick, A-Cuff. That's it. That's the priorities? Move on. Do you like A-Cove for them? Yes, you need to, like a seat. I'm not going to say, I'm not going to, like, disrespect, Yeager Dimmitt at all. I think he had a really good, maybe some could argue, a slightly underrated rookie season,

considering how well he's shot from the three-point line and how he's this bigger guy who can make plays and all that. I think you need someone like A-cuff, someone who can, again, he's the type of player who can put butts in seats and you guys, you need a guy who can be a legitimate, like, franchise altering player, star player. And that's what he is. If not A-Cuff, then whoever it is, whatever situation is, you need to hit because best believe next year, I don't think you're going to be like a consistent, solid team, a middle and middle of the pack team who's going to somehow find their way into the top three or top two of the NBA draft.

I think they're going to be, like, directly fucked because they're not going to be mid. What do you mean? You think they're going to be worse than mid? I think they're going to be ass. So you think they're going to be in the relegation zone? Exactly. Oh, 100%. They're not like, they're going to be in the relegation zone.

With Michael Porter, Porter, Jr. taking 30 shots a game? You see they're going to be a bottom three team? Michael Porter Jr., and who's your third best player after him? Well, how do you feel about the Darius Aikov? Yeah, not. Are they off you about the Austin Reeves rumors to the Nets? Yeah, I mean, the Lakers are going to match whatever. So it would be cool for the Nets if they can get him.

He's got to be a Laker, like, for sure, unless they facilitated a signing trade, which I doubt he'd want to do. So they're not going to let him walk for nothing. Yeah. Would be cool for them though. That would be very nice. That'll be great. That'll be not necessarily save their organization, but it's a good pivot.

This is put out by Austin Rears agent to let the Lakers know what the price needs to be. That's funny. And the Lakers are going to do whatever they got to do. Yeah. This is what it is. Okay. They also need to trade Nick Claxton. It's about that time.

It's been that time, actually. It's about getting out of here. Yeah. He's losing value year by year on a team with no creators that doesn't suit him. He's looking more and more mid as time goes on, right and just remember what he was with good players around him. Because he's that type of guy that needs to be in consistent. It's a good situation. Free him.

What's the next team in this division? 76ers, last team in the Atlantic. Oh, no, we got two teams. Oh, actually, no. Nope, we do not. 76ers, big depth. They have, you know, you know what your guard, you know what your back court of the future is.

You know that it's Maxie. You know that it's VJ Edgecombe. Paul George had a resurgence in the playoffs. Sucked for the last part of the playoff series against the Knicks, ha-ha. but they they know and at this point we all understand what the situation is joel and beat is going to play anywhere from 36 to 45 games a year can you survive the in and outness of joel and bid and once we get to to the playoffs like they were counting on a dembona right they were they were they were counting on

on andre drummond to play serious minutes for them they they just need bigs to come in that that are going to be basically full-time starters. Like, this is going to be part-time plus for a lot of these guys, and they have to be able to not get killed on the boards. They have to be able to not get killed by opposing bigs. They have to be able to have bigs that can set solid screens and help out your guards that are smaller

than some of the other guards in the league. That would be the biggest concern that I have for them going into the next year. I agree. In general, yeah, more size than front court, because the bulk your players are perimeter oriented. Fair enough. Pacific Division up next. Los Angeles Lakers, who has them?

They're not on my list, unfortunately. Me, me, me, me, me. And the simplest thing that I have is, of course, like, number one thing is, of course, you have to sign Austin Reese. Like, no matter what by all cause, he's like the number one, the number of priority.

After that, I mean, LeBron would be nice and figuring out what he would like, how much money he would like, if he can get a discount, sure. But outside of that, outside of the too obvious, you need to find a center with one personality.

You find a sinner who's like better than DeAndre Aden. I don't think you can afford to walk into the season again and have him be like the quote unquote answer. Shout to Jackson Hayes, you know. He's now a actual like civilian of Slovenia. He got his passport or whatever. Got a citizenship. Citizenship.

Yeah. Like shout out to him. But man. No, not shout out. He can live there. That's the crazy. He can live there. I told you.

He just added on like a. year. He can get health care there. That's crazy. He can get whatever there. He's going to be the mayor. He's going to be the president or whatever they use over there. He fit around him.

Yo, that's, be like doctor dude. He's top tier. He's right. He's right. That's crazy. Glazer. Yeah.

That's incredible. Getting citizenship with the country so you can try to have job security next to the future Hall of Fame Point Guard. I might, smart, I suppose. He'll be the third string center on the, Lakers for the next 10 years. Yeah.

Because Luca fucks with him clearly. I guess. Yeah, it's been better. Got a respect. Man. He's been better in the regular season than every year the playoff comes around and he's worse than a pumpkin. Worse than a squash.

True. True. But who are your like center options for realistically speaking? Walker Kessler, who reportedly was offered $28 million to year from the jazz and laughed at them and said I need more. If they want to offer him $35 million and the jazz want to not match, beautiful. That would be great.

because we know they can have about $55 million a cap space more if they decide to like wave and stretch Vando and really strip the roster down, they can go big and try to pay for Walker Kessler. I'm almost certain they will send an offer whether or not the jazz match we'll see. They'll probably match, right? So they're not going to get Walker Kessler.

If the Cavs blow it up, they can try to trade a couple first-round picks and get Jared Allen if they're going to pivot. Don't know that it's a guarantee the Kaz might just run it back. Nick Clackson is probably super available. They can get him for a first and a swap or whatever. that's probably what I think is most likely who else is available in free agency

Hartstein has a player option I'm a team option we don't know if they're gonna let him walk or not or restructure his contract and try to keep him around that could be an option there as time lord there as well time lord I think they probably will get time lord actually

as the backup big ideally because he can't play huge minutes yeah I think is also quite likely they're the team that offers Mitchell Robinson a lot of money it could be both of those guys and you have a good duo

that plays halftime for both of them that type of configuration is probably what's most likely Yeah. I think out of them all, I love Walker Kessler and what do you provide on defense, but when it comes to Luke, I really want to see him play with some moves like a legit vertical threat and get easy baskets because that's just not a part of Walker Kusler's game or bag at all. And I think all those other options are perfectly fine. Obviously, they're not as the same level or stature or tier of defender, except for Nick Klaassen when he's at his best, you know, once upon a time ago, he was in DPLI conversation, which is crazy as hell. But yeah, I agree. I think I'd rather those like two guys, Nick Clackson, specifically over walking grasser, considering how much cheaper it would be. Yeah.

And the general takeaway, their biggest priority is just using this cap space in this moment to be able to lay your foundation of what your team around Luke is going to be. I would love if the outcome is, let's say LeBron leaves because he wants to and feels disrespectful by the fact they can't give him $50 million a year or whatever. If he's gone, Claxton, Time Lord, Jackson Hayes is your big man group. I'd be satisfied with that. Then you give money to Marcus Marcos. to stay. Hopefully you can go get another wing out there. I've always said I would love Tar Yeson

as a big wing that can defend. Don't know if you can fit all those guys into that cap space unless you really strip things down. Maybe it's go get Dean Wade and then retain Rudy, stuff like that. I would be fairly satisfied with that outcome. Okay. Yeah, that sounds like a good idea. I like that. Yeah. I think you just try to replicate the 24 maps as much as much. Pretty much. Yep. So you need multiple athletic bigs and then some multiple athletic wing defenders. Yeah, because they did add the formula to how to build a run. around Luca. So. And awesome reuse doesn't play that different from an older Kyrie.

So like you have the archetype of secondary creator there. Got to do everything else. Yeah. I feel very certain. Not certain. I feel very confident. The time Lord is going to be a Laker. That just makes all the sense in the world.

I just get into 22 Celtics on your team. Not a bad, not a bad idea. Not a bad idea. Marcus Smart did miracles on me last year. Sure. In the playoffs. Yeah. Yeah.

And if you replaced 22 Day in with Luca, can get someone with that. All right. Yeah. Stop. You can. You can, but stop. Hey man. Jaylon Brown's on the move.

Austin Reeves, get ready to be signed a trade. Let's be the 2022 Celtics. That's insane. And Joe Missoula, JJ Reddick? Hold on. What's our homework for doing this summer?

You still interesting now? No, but he's going to see Celtics. Yeah, finally way to spend that money. The LeBron thing is also a major thing that we, I guess we do at the talk. about said that the rumors are right now they're currently negotiating and the rumor originally was

that there's the starting point for LeBron and Rich Paul and the clutch people working with them is Max contract. He's ever starting this combo saying I still deserve a max. Tell me why I don't. Surprise, surprise. LeBron wants the most money you can get. Yeah, or at least he's going to start framing it that way, you know, like he knows he's not getting a max contract realistically, but you know, you got to start that way because he's fucking 40 million years old.

I don't think there's a single team in the league that would want to. like give LeBron. Nobody would. But like, but if you're probably, if someone does, I'm not. We were just three,

we were up three up. Like I won a playoff series without, without Luca. Great. The Rockets fucking suck. He's, he was not a $50 million

year player this year in any facet. He was still very good. We still give him the props for being a also level player. He was not a 50 million dollar. I'm just saying if you're brown and you're walking in, you're like, you don't have to negotiate you down.

Yeah, why not? I agree. I agree. Like we literally got, got to, to the second round because, because of me.

No, you got to the second round because of the Houston Rockets. LeBron did a great job. We got there because the Houston Rockets were a fucking joke. And somehow they lost to the worst team in playoffs being the Lakers. So I appreciate what LeBron did. I'm not, if LeBron wants $50 million a year, enjoy Cleveland, we'll be happy to sign and trade you. Like, that's the starting point in any serious manner.

Enjoy the Golden State Warriors. Like, that's just not reality at his age right now. Enjoy. So I understand he has to start convos there. Enjoy where else you're going then. That's so funny. I'm going. I know, man.

I know, man. Ungrateful. I would lose my mind than giving $50 million. That's for a year. I mean, no. No, no. There's no, no, there's no,

just for, just for six months, nothing. It would be asinine to give LeBron $50 million. You might as well trade Luca tomorrow. Oh, my gosh. That's the one way. And we got to speed run this.

We got to get Brian's money. Then we're selling high on Luga because there's no chance you're building contender with the bra on $50 million at $44. Yeah. dude's fucking 52 it's not gonna happen

who has it going to say Warriors I do man man man okay so I think the warriors are in a very interesting situation that leads me to like really say they're not an inching situation because they don't have any move to make

it's interesting that they did never let you know your next move they did extend Steve Kerr for like another two years and a lot of people were like very skeptical as to what could happen with that. But outside of that, yo, J.B. Tours A.C.L.

You know, Jemann's, Jemont, Steph is still Steph, but he's slowing down. You have, I think, the 12th or 11th overall pick in this year's draft, which is very good, and you can do some with that. And there it is. What are we going to do with that draft pick? That's the real player where you hear. Yeah. That's all that matters.

You need to impact players, someone who can make an impact day one. And right now, Yaxel Lindivore is the main option considering his age. He's like 23, going to be 24 suit. which is, you know, interesting. Let's assume the Thunder trade up to snipe him at nine. Then what do the Warriors do at number 12? And, you know, like you said, trying to balance maybe a win-down player, maybe also got to balance a reality.

Who's there? Who would you want to see the draft of 12 if Yaxel's gone? Or is it a trade-to-pick situation? Like, what's the move there? I think if you wanted to trade the pick, sure. I'm not sure how valuable, like, whatever play you might get to return for that. Maybe you get, again, like a P.J. Washington or whatever. with me personally i if someone snipe the axle that's that'll be tough shit that sucks but i think i'll

be very happy with hindsteinbach um he's super big and he's what six 10 he can spread the four a little bit he is great when it comes to cleaning up the glass you need talent and i think someone like him is like day one impact and no matter what situation he'll be super viable alongside someone like step defensively i mean right now he's not an all world-class type of defender at all but he's not per se like a liability at all. So I think I'd be very happy with someone like that, considering their big man rotation again is like very Al Holford, you know, there's KP there. He needs some pop. Do we retain KP? He's a free agent. I mean, sure, why not? But like you're not, no one who wants KP at this at this day in age he's 30. I think they should. I think they should. I think they

should retain him. I kind of like the idea of Jaylem, of Jimmy Butler and KP. And like, like you also mentioned, draft another big two. So we don't want to play KP too many minutes. I kind of like the idea of keeping KPU, hopefully on a reasonable price. KPee just can't play consistently anymore. So it's just like it's a fairy tale to me. Yeah, I like to dream too. Sure, KPie can be here. But not for that price for like an insane price that got all.

He's getting like that minimum for sure considering how. Whoa. Yeah. He doesn't play. He's getting more than a bit minimum. Maybe a little bit more baby based off a name. He's getting 10. Sure.

Yeah, he'll get 10. I'm being just 12. He can get 10. He was crazy. I'll work with a bit minimum. He's getting 10. he's getting 10 yeah i think getting giving him 10 mil and then drafting a big that can play for you right away at 12 that's a successful offseason for the warriors yeah i like han steambach very much for this team

if they don't get yaksin yeah i like that so prioritize the 12th pick get a player that can contribute and help close up stuff curry's years or if there's a high ceiling player you like there that's just the next area cool whatever nail the 12th pick and bring back kp on a cheap deal how aggressive do y'all want them to be pursuing lebron oh yeah we're going to talk about that do they get lebron is that their biggest priority. I'm glad we got out here. That 100% should be what they do. Yeah.

They have to go out and get Brian. This deal, offering the taxpayer mid-level, I mean, non-taxpayer mid-level, 15 mil. This is just a question of will LeBron accept that? Does he want to be a warrior? Hell yeah, they should offer it. Why the fuck not? Yeah, part of my notes I did say, pray for LeBron, but I just, oh, I fucking hate, I hate that Alcommon scenario because it doesn't feel right at all.

Me too. It's nice, lame for LeBron. For the Warriors, it's cool as fuck. So for the Warriors portion of this episode, Yeah, go get LeBron. You're really running the auction to the ground, man. Just go, yeah, you already are. Just do it all the way.

It's fun. This is bad for NBA history, I think. I think it's bad for- I guess they were with LeBron and KD. On his squad. They could. They could. Let's say they, I don't know

what their castaway situation would be like. I don't know if they could have K.P. and LeBron because they might give KP the mid-level exception. I'll have to look. Let's say KP takes the vet minimum or the bi-annual exception which they probably have, like 6 mil k p lebron draymond jimmy butler stuff curry bpods yo if it's 2016 2017

this team is going undefeated but this is 2026 did you say bpots bpots slip that in there no one realized fuck out my face i'm done pretending bpaws isn't a good basketball player the jokes for 20 for a year he's good and then draft another rookie like it's a it's not a bad team it's a 53 win mad load managing next maybe if we come to playoffs though roll the bowl the Ballout. Let's roll the ball out, man. Bro, if we can win next year in the Twilight and these old main career, that's a good outcome. I'll be happy with the Warriors, fan.

They can do that. They can super do that. I mean, the next one, they won the finals. Who's to say that can't be the Warriors? I mean, we're, it's different. But it is like, that is something that I want to see. Purely just for entertainment reasons.

I just want to see all the Instagram lives that have been, like, afterwards. And it's just like Bronis and stuff hanging out. It would be fun. Can we sign and trade and get B pods back to the Lakers? No. I'll take B pods.

Bro, you take anything. Bro. He's easy as hell. I'll do Bpots and Porzengis. I'll take him. Two deals? You think, okay.

Prisengis amending his relationship with Luca, good storyline. Yeah, yeah, I'll take them. I need rotation players. I don't got any. He can't handle no more Jake Loravian. I really can. B. Pahs is way better than Jake La Ravio.

There's an insane gap. That's true. And Porzegas is better than Max. Axie Kleber. That's also true. I'm making upgrades less than rights. I would like to see a... One percent better every day.

Exactly. I would like to see a Curry and LeBron last dance on some Usherer Chris Brown shit. Yeah. I don't know about the comparison, but I would like to see it. It's just the closest I can pick up. That's a horrible comparison.

But I'd be fine seeing it. It wouldn't be good for LeBron, though. Like his legacy, his storyline. That's a weird way to end it. Like, do you know... Two goats going on tour. That's where I was going with it. Chris Brown.

Go. Oh. I'm thinking about different different I'm a different guy But I am thinking Is he the broader curry In this comparison

Of them And we have this season And both of them Have in $1,000 meet and greets Before games They haven't brunched mean greets Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Who's the

I think the rose Is Chris Brown? There's people hanging off of them at being greets it'll be cash nasty VIP tickets Hell no

could you imagine how much would you pay for a meet and greet with Ron? Yeah he's so locked he was so locked How much did you pay

Okay I see for for dinner dinner with Bronn Dinner? Dinner with brown or 100K 100K

Now you ask me Okay 3K or dinner with a braun I might take Dinner of LeBron. Yeah, I think I'm taking dinner with Ron. 50K or dinner with Brian?

50K. 50K is a lot. What if Bronn gives you a clutch chain at the dinner? I don't need. What the fuck am I do to clutch chain? I don't know. Now I'm wearing on the show. I look like on the mouthpiece.

Moe didn't say anything. I could do a lot with a clutch chain, man. That's what I can do with Drake, man. I'm not going to. Do you know what that would do for my status? Yeah. Honestly. I'm outside okay.

Honestly. But when I clutch chain the Magic City? What? I'm untouchable. The clutch chain will probably be worth at least like 40 to 40 to 50k in itself. That bitch's going to be dancing, man. Yeah. Yeah.

I might have to take dinner in the clutch chain. Okay, well, that changes things. The clutch chain is fucking iced out. It's worth something. I'm going to sell that. I'm going to just like, I have Drake making songs about how. How are you making the chains? What did he say?

He said, he sold the only. that ever mattered. I could never forgive such a nefarious action. That's going to be a rich ball talking about me because I'm selling that chain. I'm not a nefarious.

All right, so clutch, brunch, chain and dinner with brown or 100K. Man. Look at the book. I might have to pass upon that 100K.

Yeah. If I can, if I can, if I can, if I can, just that clutch chain too and like have a picture of me LeBron and have like spin around two. A custom clutch chain would go crazy. Was it spinole?

It would go crazy. It would do numbers. I'm certified. You can get something for that. And if I'm on my ass too, I can melt that bitch down and sell it 200K. Now what? Two o'clock. How big?

How eyes out is this chain we're talking about. Just add some gold into it. That never keeps getting bigger. That was a two and K chain. You got Jalyn Hertz out there spinning? It's a Cuban. Yeah. Yeah.

Cuban clutch chain. The Cuban. width of your fucking wrist. It got to be a gold chain, you know, appreciating value. You're getting platinum, iced out, bullshit that all the rappers get. Yeah, let's do it. And the overly iced out baguette. It's all ugly.

Nothing maintains value when we're talking about chains. It's got to be bullshit. Those ain't Rolex diamonds. All right, so we did Lakers to Warriors. What an elite conversation to lead us off in Sacramento Kings. Fuck. Who has them? Me.

Yeah, and Brandon Ingram. We already talked about it. Shit, lame is up. I guess. Heyko. Dude, Deid. Sabonis wants to know what the

fuck is going on and no one cares. I've never seen him start playing at no interest. Like, not even fans we're talking about. He's been available for like eight months. No one can. I forgot. He was on the team.

I'm not going to. I don't know what. You requested a Trade. Nobody reported it. We just don't know. Like maybe Daddy Hades knows. Nobody knows. He's on blue sky.

Guys, I want to leave. Nobody cares. Nobody's on that. Oh, shit, so on Bornis on threads. Oh, so that shit on LinkedIn open to work. Y'all Snapchat say, free me. You got the green shirt on his LinkedIn profile. Trade

Trade Trade Zalcina I guess I mean trade a subonis Again Get rid of the niggums Please Just get Brendan a nigger monitor team

I suppose they could trade Subonis But like I haven't even I haven't even thought About the king To who Don't ask

Follow up questions I don't want to talk about It I just yeah I don't know where he would Where he would fit I don't know He's weird

Because like he is good I spent so much time saying why I wouldn't want him On my team But like Surely there's a team I thought he could make better y'all know it

no no oh no he's a big strong guy stop he can play next to those wings if they bro if they bring in

somebody else sucks for mad sucks for some bonus I'd actually murder Mickey Mouse if they did that they

they can't they can't they can't do that they can't they can't do that because they have absolutely no

they have no shooting whatsoever. I know. I'm saying names. So, yeah, so, yeah, Sabonis would not be the one. Maybe, like, Horace would be interesting, I guess. I'd rather have a defender at center for them, just because they're so wing-oriented

and those aren't the strongest defenders. Yeah. I really want a good red protector there. Brooklyn? Milwaukee? I don't know. Seems like Brooklyn can just have whatever they want, because they have nothing. So, like, if you want to sell them, they just like them, and he's the next era, I guess. They want the Aaron bet? Oh, Raptors.

Can we get rid of those shitty contracts and get it's a bonus give him some picks take Yaakovabov for hands give him a fair amount of picks to make it you eight second round picks I'm sorry I can't be asked I can't be asked we're back to Brandon Ingram all rows leaves your brand name assessment like two million bucks

for eight second off pitch yeah Phoenix Suns I think to decide what your big man group of the future is going to look like because you have Mark Williams who I believe is an understrict the free agent You have Mala Wash, who you drafted last year. Did you like what you saw from Mark Williams so we want to pay him?

Or is it just time to make Mollah Wash a starter for next year since you're still in this kind of quasi-competitive rebuild thing? And you have this next guy to elevate. Do you want to keep Mark Williams or not? And also decide what you're going to do with the point guard position. Because I definitely don't want to see Devin Booker have to be the point guard every year. Are you going to pay Gillespie and have him continue to be your guy there? I'd rather pay Gillespie than Mark Williams. Is it Gillespie?

We've been saying that. I thought it was Gillespie. I have no idea how to do it. has fucked me up several times. He says it strangely, like, in three different ways. I think about it every time. I don't know what the right ways anymore, because he says it three four ways. I think his name is just calling Gillespie.

I think it's Gillespie. Man, girl, man, hold this of account. Don't go off of me. The hard part is he says Glepsy. He switches the S&P sometimes, and I look at him for like three seconds every time. And I say, am I stupid? Or do I, how do you spell this name? Yeah, it's Gillespie.

Yeah, it's Gillespie. Yeah, it's Gillespie. There's no like G. It's not Gillespie. Also, slight breaking news related to the sons. Devin Booker is changing his jersey number. Whoa.

From 1 to 15 pulling a Kobe. Oh. Pulling with Kobe. Now, Tatum did that. Okay. Me personally, I don't think I would be wanting to reference Kobe Bryant and my number changes. Quite the bag of worms.

Okay. Good for Devin Booker. Okay. I just want to bring that up. Number 15, Devin Booker. Devin Booker. See, I think figuring out what they want to do. They're still going to be in this portion in those space they've been in since last year where they're doing this like get it out the mud, win on the margins.

We don't have our picks, but we're finding a way to be competitive. And you know, we have our Dylan Brooks, Devin Booker, Nuclius, Jalen Green, presumably is it a fit into that. What do you want to do around inside that with your big men, between Mark Williams, Oso, Molly Wash, Richard Fleming, who was going to play some five, and then obviously Gillespie. I think I'd want to for sure figure out more ways to empower Richard Fleming because he was, he was good. He was so good for them with certain sits and runs when he got his opportunity. made away through the second half of the year. And honestly, like, I'm not opposed to resigning, resigning mark at all because it's like, yeah, I think Khamman is going to be the future of this future center of this team for a long time, but no need to rush him. You won 45

games last year, which is stellar. No one thought you're going to do that at all. Keep on doing that for the next few years. Yeah. So, no, your biggest priority, resign Colin. I think he was good. And somebody will sign him. He'll be a soft for free agent. Keep him. I guess there is a question mark of the Jalen Green thing. I don't really know at this point. I don't know what the finger on the pulse opinion is on if they like Jalen Green or not. He showed flashes but was hurt the whole year.

You probably just give it another year and see what happens. Yeah. It's the best thing you do. Yeah. So running back and see if you can decide who you want to maintain for this nucleus. Los Angeles Clipper is last team in the Pacific. Go out and get a big.

Because they're probably going to draft a guard to go alongside. Is that a guarantee? Derrick Carlin. Maybe. I've seen a lot of the smoke that I've seen with them has been tied to Wagler. And so if that is the case, and I'm really operating off of that assumption

because I've seen it a lot. So you have Garland, you're a Wagler. Maybe Kauai is there after this suspension. That's really the biggest thing. You've got to figure out what the punishment is. Whatever the outcome of this investigation is, you need to know that. On the court, though, Zubach is gone.

You have Yannick, Brooke Lopez is older. John Collins is a free agent. agent like you can go into next year with a super super thin uh center rotation big man rotation so you you have you do have to replenish that so that's what i would say for on the court i would like them draft mara i would love to see that it's high maybe you trade back a little bit or just take them like i kind of want to see that wow i'll fucking hate that for obvious reasons but could you want them yeah okay yeah 100% 100% that's my number one that's number one on my draft board personally but what's a three big difference just take them

it's hard because like just take them i don't know it's it's massive it's massive for them because do you 100 and 10% want a mortgage like not necessarily your entire feature or build around darius car but is it worth passing up on like i do though you do that's why i traded for him i traded for a 26 year old guard so i can build around him yeah and you're still kawai you're still building on kai at this point we don't know that he's been traded you know he could be at the right thing came around presumably pivot to garland plus whatever you get for kauai i think they have to right you don't have a garland on your team without building around him unless you're going to move him you don't yeah i think i'd rather personally pick again someone like kelly waggerton's probably like the best

fit around him and also he's for sure right now outside of akuf like the best three-point shooter out of them all and also the size makes a difference too even though he doesn't necessarily like play like that but he has like the best chance to survive defensively alongside derriss gone so that's that's fine to me yeah but i agree getting a starting center is clearly there number one imminent goal for the near future. I wonder if I want to be causing a punch or not. Everyone's waiting on that. We really don't know.

Yeah. Northwest Division. Oklahoma City Thunder. What is their biggest priority? They need prime Jordan Clarkson on their team. What the hell? Jordan Clarkson. Yeah.

Oh, okay. I need a straight bucket get her off the bench. And like shout out to to McCain. I would like somebody that is slightly taller than him. But like they're going to come back next year. And, you know, hopefully, like Chet is, Chet was healthy this year. We'll see if J. Do can stay healthy for the entire year. You're hopefully going to get, you know, another year of AJ Mitchell.

So you have ball handlers, you have wings, you have your big man. All your other guys, though, in terms of your wing rotation, you're Andrew, not Andrew, you're Aaron Wiggins, your Isaiah Joe's, your Lou Dorts, who's up in the air, all those wings. I have no idea what we're. getting from that combination. I would like to get somebody who is not just catching shoe. If your threes are not falling, then you really don't have a lot of value.

I would like to have somebody else that we could put on the floor and let's say we have Chet and everybody else can handle the ball. I would like to see that. They don't really have that option right now. No, it's unfortunate. They do. They just got hurt. And we wouldn't be thinking this way if AJ Mitchell and J.D.b didn't die on us.

It's unfortunate that we have to talk about this. And you're right, because, you know, those guys were hurt. Certainly would help to have another one. I think what they're probably going to do is get rid of Lou Dort and re-sign Hardinstein. I've had to guess those two guys are free agents. That's their baseline is what do they do with those two team options. I hope they just trade up a get yawksal. And that's the pivot.

Is we keep Hardinstein, replace Dort with Landenberg, and that's our pivot. That would move me a lot. You think they'll do that even with, obviously, towards ACL, but they drafted Sooburg last year. You're saying as far as keeping Hartenstein? Or drafting Yaxil Because you also have this other big that you just drafted last year That now you're going to be like Oh, you have this opportunity

Yeah well yeah I think they're going to use Yaxil more like a big wing Like PJ Washington-ish But he can defend threes as well So I would love for him to be the starting three Put Jad up back at the two long term Yaxil's a rookie so he wouldn't start right away You know they probably start Kaysen or whatever

In this scenario which I get rid of Ludoort Yeah But that vision of closing with either one or two bigs And having Shea, Jadab and Yaxil out there That size shooting in defense is just crazy Yeah Yeah, or for some reason, Yaxel's not there. And if they really like, honestly, I'm telling myself one of them getting Braden Berries,

who's very met well, like he feels like an OKC-ish guard. What part of the game is you say that? Because he's all around and he is probably the best guard defender right now in the lottery as we speak, who also can get his game off offensively. He doesn't have as much like creation juice. He definitely is like lower two when it comes to that and also creating for himself and others. But he has that a part of his game and skills. set and I feel like getting more guys in the door

like that who can give you like a little bit more creation I would value that if you don't get someone like Yaxel but if they reach and trade it up and went for Bradenberry's then that wouldn't like surprise me at all and I would like love that but more creation in general and shooting but also like that

I could just like chalk that up to health because Jada was assuming not there. Yeah I want to see them of a big wing though I'm sick of all these goddamn guards they have so many small players on this team that like Caruso is their big guard or a big big wing whenever they want to do this playing Yokich and put the big wing on Yokic, center Rome, they got to use Caruso.

He's 6'5. He's granted he's good at it for being 6'5. But having a 6-9 guy, like Yaxel who could do that, that would be in addition to a team that would be. Or if they don't get him, Dana Swain is interesting as hell to be from Texas as well. Like, he's a matter of thing. Obviously, like,

he's not like a day one play him type of guy, considering his shooting is not there yet. But he's a creator. He can get to the rim. And he's especially like a long-range. defender who can switch off from one to modern day fours so it's super valuable too okay uh Utah jazz who is him oh I do uh figure out what to do with all these bigs you have Larry marketing Jared Jackson and Walker Kessler who is apparently a distressed asset because he wants all this money they're not trying to give them I also think there's a lot of smoke which not even smoke just a lot of

like obvious scenarios in which they could pick Cameron Boozer at number two overall that's a lot of big men if they do pick Cameron Boozer because Darren Peterson we're poorly is not going to work out with them. Which that hasn't stopped them in the past. They picked Ace Bailey even though he had no desire to be there. Don't know. I can see if the question marks around Darren Peterson and the extremely high floor and really high ceiling, too, of Boozer, who I think is underrated by a lot of people.

If those guys are close enough and one guy's not trying to be here, maybe that makes your answer easy, that you prefer Boozer. You pick Boozer. You have four gigantic men on your team. Can't really close games at all of them. Figure out what to do with that scenario, I think, is the main priority for them. Yeah. I like the trade for Jerry Jackson,

but it also put them in a weird position where it's like, okay, we're just going out, we're just making moves now. Like, we do have to have some type of direction. And for a team that has been bad, I like the idea that you went out and got talent, but now that you do have your last top pick before this entire lottery system changes,

I do think that going out and getting somebody who is going to, obviously, surefire like franchise culture center can give can give you that do you guys think they should keep Walker because I will walker were showing in the in the brief time that he that he played last year before he got hurt I liked it and I and I think that that Walker is really really good yeah and I don't think they should start jaron jackson and center so yeah they should definitely keep him I think I suppose if you don't want to give them 35 million because those guys I described are expensive to you can sign and trade them to the lakers or bulls or whatever I you'd live no get some good stuff

from return, but I do think I'd rather them keep them. Yeah, I agree. I say, fuck, let's get weird. Get Kambuzer, man. Figure it out. Yep. Get real big. Have Larry Mark and Beard starting shooting guard.

Good Lord. And who's your point, Gardeis, Bailey? Do you go fuck it? Sixth out all around? No, no, no. I can't take George still there. Yeah. I just want to bring this up.

Apparently, the Utah Jazz are not expected to reach an agreement on rookie extension for Keante George. Wow. So, yeah, so basically, the number one goal is obviously nail your number two pick, right? There's four great prospects in this draft. You get the second pick there. Maybe the best place to be in this draft because your decision, all these guys are very close. It's one person easier for you.

Nail that is priority to one, obviously. And then figure out what you do with this hodgepodge of talent that you have now. You probably got to move somebody. Decide who's that man out because you have like a seven-man court now of soon-to-be expensive players. Yeah. Portland Trailblazers. Soon-to-be expensive players. You timed this up all wrong.

You guys still aren't good. You wasted a lot of marketing is reasonable. Yeah. Now, for the Blazes, who has them? Not me. Do I have them again? Oh, I do. I fucking forgot I have them.

What the hell? So, group think. What is the trip was his biggest issue this season? Get yon. Yeah, I do. They're into Jalen Brown soupsakes, too. Go get Jaylon Brown. Bro, it's just so like,

this is like the worst nightmare for someone like me. Like, can you imagine, like, spending years just tanking or whatever? or not being good moving off of the Damila sweepstakes, just for him to be your best player probably again next year and have all your top picks just like not paying out in any type of fashion at all. Like that sucks. It's terrible.

Oh, never mind, my bad. So that is true. That is suck. That's terrible. Their biggest issue this season to figure out their biggest problem, their biggest priority is figure out which one of these NBA coaches will accept minimum wage. Oh, yeah.

1750 an hour. Who's trying to work? Yeah. Figure out which NBA coach in the world right now. basketball coach in the world because he's probably not going to be an NBA coach it's probably going to be a guy currently in like I don't know you go Utah high school basketball yeah figure out which one of these

coaches from around the country is willing to live off of food stamps while he works for you yeah apparently this guy's the leading candidate Tyler Lashbrook Why he'd look like KOC Lasch were rapidly with the ranks in Boston since being hired in 2023 okay youngest coach in the league at 34 if he's hired cool so figure out if he will take minimum wage

And if not, who else? It's not even going to be minimum wage. It's going to be like $2 an hour. You work off tips. Every game that you win, every game that you win, the fans will tip you. That would be your salary.

I don't even know that's going to be the case. Honestly, it might be an unpaid internship. Bro, they got to find these Portland Trugglers fan have to like, if you're true fan of this organization, you have to be literally in the mud, pair up with the guys from TMZ and find out the best scandal possible for your owner. You have to get them out the way.

I don't know if you need hardcore evidence. get him out to paint. Hardcore evidence. Another combo. Minnesota Timberwolves, what is their biggest issue or problem to solve this off season? They need a star. They need another star. And their depth has been

so depleted over the last couple years. And then now that you have Dante with his Achilles injury, Nicky Alexander Walker is gone, Julius Randall, everybody on the team looks to just be like, hey, he kind of has to go. It's, it's, and Rudy. against the world.

And I would like, it's crazy, but I would like for NDAWRs to have somebody else that can pick up the site because asking them to just go replenish your depth and, hey,

go get a lot of really good rotation pieces for the low. That doesn't happen. They are going to have to really, to make another push in the Western Conference, I think that they're going to have to add more star power

because from your second best, like, offensive player standpoint in Randall, he's just not the guy, he's just not good enough. And so if you can work things out to where you upgrade that position, that's what you need. It could be a star, it can be role players, I don't know.

I think the way I'd phrase it is make sure you nail this offseason because you are 18 bad months away from being the bucks. Yeah. This roster is rapidly depleting. They still are very good, you know, continue to make playoff runs, which is upset the Denver Nuggets. They're a very good team. Anthony Edwards was injured. Don't need to overreact too much to their failure.

to make it deep into a run this year, right? Their best player wasn't healthy. That is the outcome that you expect. Everything you said is true. We could look up. They had to get rid of Randall, and let's say that outcome, when they trade him, it's for some role players.

It's not a need a moving outcome. Dante is missing. Maybe they have to trade that salary. And all of a sudden you look up and you have like four good players. And maybe these young players they have to come up next, don't all work out,

which you tend to see with these teams that are not selecting in the top of the draft. It's very easy to miss out and more picks than you expect. when they're rookies and their second-year players, you imagine them being the heir of parents, maybe they're not, and maybe Taryn Chan & Jr. never gets better.

Don't wish that for him, but you never know, right? You could look up and this could be a team that has their star player and a bunch of pivots around them and the pivots don't go anywhere. And now we're like, fuck, how could we possibly contend to run Anthony Edwards? Yeah, I think they're very much

at the inflection point of their, you know, rebuild, retool around Rudy Gaubert and Anthony Edwards. You sat down and you witnessed just a couple days ago, Carl Anthony Towns winning an NBA championship. And part of the reason why you went ahead and cashed in on him or got rid of him for Julius Randall,

it's not because you thought Randall was better or Donchia Dimitiv was better, anything like that. You wanted flexibility and now was the time to really like showcase what that looks like. You thought Kat wasn't worth that money. You're going to be a second imprint team. You have that flexibility now. What are you going to do around that?

And I think that if they don't hit on this, you're right. Like they're a couple of years, two years away from being in the exact situation as the Milwaukee book. So what that means is like, okay, you know, can you somehow find a way and can you stomach the fact that you're going to have to unload even more picks again to get someone like him. Now maybe it won't take like three first round picks or anything like that. Maybe it'll be a pick or two, but can you stomach that?

Because whatever it is, like this offseason is, in my opinion, your last real move to make a difference and be like a heavy, heavy hitter in the Western Conference. You know what this probably means we know they need to get better next year and continue to get back to the level they're at when they're at their best right in terms of talent there's no obvious outcome randall isn't worth the whole lot so there's no clear present go get this guy and we think it'll be a contender next year like for some teams like the celtics it's like go get yannis we think we can imagine this you're in talks we understand that the reality is you probably just got to do something brave and something we don't see coming which might be trading

jane macdaniels might be trading ruddy go bear something that we don't view as an expendable player because they're so important to this current version of your team you might have to have a new version in your team and complete chances up and get rid of a viable player to bring a viable player back. And we can't really predict that because, like I said, we would not say they should trade in J. McDaniels. We would not say they should trade Rudy Gaubert. Those guys are the important parts of the team outside of Anthony Edwards. We probably need to look up and say, whoa, they did that. That's crazy. And have a debate on whether it's smart or not. They probably already needed that type of brave move. Yeah. They've been heavily linked to Jai and Karee. I know how we feel about Jai, but does Kyrie move that needle? I think so. Yeah. Yeah.

He would be their best, the best creator they've had pretty much since Anthony Edwards and I guess Jimmy Butler. And this would like definitely move the needle considering how much pressure he would relief off of someone like Anthony Edwards who doesn't have to rely on. Jada McDaniels again, like taking the step and being a 20 point per game score. It'd be filthy. They would be nasty. And Kyrie would be so filthy together. Yeah, I think that's enough. I think that's for sure enough to like be better at least.

Okay, so you can either do something crazy and change your direction or stay on this direction. Trade Randall and picks for Kyrie Irving. Which? Trading Randall's stuff. I'm with- Not when it's for Kyrie. Like I told you the Mavs. We'll take any salary you have.

Give us them picks. We can do that. You can let Randall ride. And you're right. Trade them somewhere else for whatever the fuck you want. That just makes sense, considering the Mazz are like pick starved right now. Give me two first-on picks. Kyrie's yours.

Denver Nuggets. I have them. Tough situation again, considering how. They're tied up in all types of money. We see them go out in the most disappointing way possible that we've seen in probably like a few years now considering the context of how they went out and players like Anthony Edwards not being fully there

or non-sative in Chindonzo as well. They went out on the craziest way possible. Now they're at a point where they are not in like an identity crisis at all, but they need to make some changes happen. Peyton Watson's there, in my mind, he has to be paid. You have to keep him. You have prioritized someone like him. outside of that you're looking in the NBA draft you're trying to make some move and again

dailan swain is up for grabs okay cool i think he's someone like him would make sense you need a backup point guard too something needs to change yeah they need to completely change your starting line up you mentioned a lot of issues those are tough issues man the fact that you basically got a salary dump a wing pick which one you want a salary dump whether it's brown whether it's Cam Johnson, whether it's losing Payton Watson, well, those guys got to go. Just for money reasons.

Hard to get better with that reality, right? You can't really improve when you get the salary done somebody. Apparently Aaron Gordon is guarding trade interests. You look on Twitter, there's rumors that people are talking about him.

Haven't seen a single rumor about Jamal Murray. I guess nobody wants his ass, but you might have to consider moving him. They had to like, you're not going to be a better team by losing one of your wings.

So you're going to have to trade one of your valuable players in pivot. And basically their biggest problem is they need to have a new look version of this offense next year. And that's tough. We've had one look for this team for the past five years of dominance. So you're saying to trade Aaron Gordon?

No. I'm saying to trade Aaron Gordon or Murray or somebody because simply dumping Christian Brown so you can keep Watson won't make you a better team. And you've got to give to get better. You know, like this team, we just talked about when they lost. This team has reached a point where them running the same thing back, running their dribble handoff game with

Murray and Yokish and hoping that gets them to late games and they can dominate is not working at this moment. Now maybe we can get a better health of Aaron Gordon and that could be the difference there. I think we saw plenty of reasons to say that this version of the team has gotten stale and they have to reconfigure the way they want to play on both ends. And just salary-dubbing a guy to keep Watson, isn't that?

Watson is quickly becoming incredibly overrated. We're acting like he's this like amazing two-way wing because he showed a little bit of something. I'm not putting all my faith in him being the one thing that'll make is that different. So they're at the To So to you they're at the same

Like inflection point that the wolves are Worse for sure They're further than their timeline I don't like And the expectations are greater For them Yes the expectations are greater The Timber Wolves can just go get Kyrie

And just like be additive there That Nuggets aren't in the position To just go get somebody And they become a better version themselves Because of the wing glut they have right now And the fact they have to pay Watson And get rid of one of the other guys to do so They legit have to sacrifice

Some meaningful part of this team If they want to get better Yeah also if they trade Jammar They're gonna have a big hole at the point guard position. So they got trading for another point guard of a different look and or something like that's

I don't even know the answer is what I'm saying that that's incredibly difficult. John, welcome to Denver. Fuck. No. In my mind,

honestly, like, yo, if you can, if I sit down and call up the Orlando Magic and like, yo, I got sucks for you, Christian Braun and whatever else

to match the salary for Suggs, I would absolutely love that. I think you need someone who like is starving and someone who is like, anti-bitchmate like Sugs. Wait, who do you want to trade for Suggs? Braun. Why would the magic want to do that, though?

I'm giving you two picks and you just unloaded the clip for someone like Desmond Bain. You're retooling. I don't know. That one's tough. Brown is a bad contract. Yeah, he is. They're not going anywhere with Suggs right now. Let's think.

Let's think. And I'm giving you picks. You need picks. At altitude. I'm not looking that bad. That's tough. At altitude. Okay.

Can Jaws vertical come back? No, he's even more tired. The air stander, he can fly. He can fly a little more. Air dynamic. Plus five vertical shoes. Right? The gravity's a little weaker.

Yeah. And you're cooking. Maybe. Maybe. Well, if he just starts dunking. He goes back to Denver. He's in the space jam. Yolkid's jaw logs?

All right. We're playing 2K right now. See, I don't know. There is a lot of talk of Aaron Gordon being available. I really don't know the clear pivot of who's available right now. I don't, I understand why Aaron Gordon is like one of the first options to be traded. I would not trade Aaron Gordon. The problem is Blattie might be breaking down

and you might want to get ahead of it. I get that. Literally every single championship team, we come up here and we're trying to project every other team. We're like, how can they find their version of Aaron Gordon? How can you find your version of this 6-9 guy who can defend down, can be very additive

and be the best, quote-unquote, amplifier in the league, do all of those things? So I feel like his archetype is very, very hard to find. And I wouldn't move off of him where there's guards out there that can score just enough. And then if you say you're playing next to Yokic, you can get yourself a little bump there. If we're, if we have to pick between the two to make a move, Jamal Murray would be my pick to, to trade. I just I just feel like you can't see that. The team is stuff.

And also like we're at this point where they, they just lost last. year. It's just like, oh, we have to, we have to hurry up and, like, make, make something happen. Rebuild and retools and retools are not over, overnight. So we probably do have to have some type of buffer year where they can actually get a clear picture of where everybody's value is and who they value and then start making moves. Yeah, I feel like now that we're talking through it, the best option might just for them to run it back. Just thinking about the returns that they can get on their assets, just comparing that to just running it back. And just don't this.

But they can't just run it back, though. They have to either dump the starting shooting guard or let Payne Watson leave or dump Cam Johnson. I'm specifically talking about the Jamal Murray-Aaron and Gordon situation. I'm leaning towards just keeping that. I know what you mean, but I'm just saying that's the reality. Running it back means running it back with the lesser version of your supporting cast. And it's like, are we going to feel, can we look at Yokic and say

we're going to next year with the same team except we have one less starting player? I'm getting Christian brought out here. Yeah. And you get better? I got the problem. It's just no way. You're just better about losing him? So sometimes I he's not that bad.

He's not that bad. I'm saying, dude, that contract is, that contract makes him so much worse. But you're not getting anything back for the contract. I'm saying you're basically you're keeping Peyton Watson by jumping him. You already have Payton Watson and Brown now and you made it this far. And granted to Peyton Watson was hurt.

So maybe that's your answer is that you just think another year of Peyton Watson empowering him another year of improvement. If that's your answer and say he can be a starter now and that's a difference for us. Okay. I don't know that I've seen that. I don't know that I've seen that at Peyton Watson to feel good about that. If you roll out next year and you have, have those three and you have Peyton Watson who was taking a small leap you have second half of the year version of Cam Johnson compared to the first half of the year Cam Johnson I do think that's

a different team than what they put out on the floor right now and if but why because it's literally not I want to brown was not good last year he was not he was not a he can't be here again and who's replacing his roster spot I know what you're saying I agree but we're not talking about trading Brown for somebody that can come in and give you a better version we're talking about getting jacked shit for him and just having less depth. That's not. I know they could be better. You could be right in Watson's enough.

If I'm looking to Chloe O'Kitch in the eyes and I'm saying you're the best player you've ever had in our life and every year we're trying to winning championships with you. And I say our route to getting better is getting rid of a guy who you probably don't feel is a black hole because he's your teammate. And we're just kicking Christian Brown to the curb. And we're better now for having one less player. That doesn't entice me if I'm a Nuggets fan. So one, let's not get caught up in teammate evaluations.

Because those are going to get tricky a lot of times. That's one. Two, I do think however much we want to say, maybe the knee injury did affect Yolkich in the second half of the year. And internally, they might be telling themselves that. And they probably are listening to all of the noise. And they're saying, I don't even get it. Yolkich was actually messed up. And he's going to come back and be healthy and be the Nikoliyokis that we know.

And the team looks completely different. And they are going to lean on. I do think when you do have a court like this, they are going to lean on continuity. Yoki was hurt, Gordon was hurt, and we're going to empower those two guys. And last time we gave a contract extension to the wrong guy. We're giving an extension to the right guy this time

and the team is going to click. I can see that be in the path forward for them and what they tell themselves. Me too. I can see it as well. I just don't think it'll be inspiring. Reality is like whatever type of, whatever like universe we're in they're in a tough situation regardless yep they fuck themselves

completely precisely that's definitely the outcome is yeah it's a tough spot yeah it's a tough spot and we're just outlining that none of these options are good is basically the takeaway i think they're my favorite options getting trading um brown brown to the magic zikagi julian strother you have pretty much all your first round picks except for 2027 make a move do that for Suggs. I think the magic specifically would not mind having another first on pick considering they are also like one of the teams who are kind of

fucked considering the new draft rules and they could very much be like in the middle-ish team again next year and for the next few years having this pick and my mind is value. If you're a magic fan, find Mo's address, attack him. Yeah this is multiple talks. You're trying to mess them over.

But they should do. Julius is rather the shooter man. Let's trade Aaron Gordon. Get give whatever things you need. Let's go get Brian. Let's go get Brian, man. All right, man. At this point, let's try Yolkich.

Southeast division. We have two divisions left. Long-ass episode. God damn. Southeast, we already did the Atlanta Hawks. Charlotte Hornets, who has them? Not me. Oh, that's me.

That's you. Scoring from the big position. I think they obviously have, obviously you have Colin, you have Brandon Miller, you have Lamello, you have scoring everywhere else. From your four position and from your five, I would like to get a little bit more scoring from those spots. You have a guy right now that Mr. Bridges is also there. I would like to get a little bit more out of that position. But I think they're so dynamic from their guard wing.

I see the Hornets I see like what Khan can do off ball you can see the playmaking and the creativity from Lamello I really want them to be in this like full long like five out type of type of offense to maximize everybody because I think if you can get that

and you have Brandon Miller in his athleticism and his ability to get to the rim you can really just be disgusting offensively no no maybe I see what you're saying remember that that's kind

That's kind of the archetype of team that I want for them. Remember this. With the guys that they have. Remember this. Close your eyes. Remember where you were. Play in tournament. Second game.

Orlando Magic walked through those doors. Remember how you felt when you saw a mellow ball getting pressed at half court every time, given the ball up. And remember how you felt when you said, these motherfuckers are soft. And then think about that feeling. Internalize it. Feel it in your chest. Yeah. And think about how you'd feel if you added Miles Turner into that court.

We can't do that. We can't do that. So who's the big tough motherfucker you want to come out to this team to fix them? Because that's what I want to hear. We need strength and we need toughness and we need physicality. That's-Robinson. Mitchell Robinson is the answer. That is a good answer.

That can happen. The big strong tough, that can happen from literally any position. If you want to have a guard that comes in fights, that's cool. If you want to have a big that comes to fights, that's cool. We can address that. James Johnson, where are you at? How much money they got? Lou Doort and Mitchell Robinson, bring them both.

Yeah. And like, if we're talking about in like 1995, because I'm, still do believe that having fight on your team is important. I think in previous eras of the league, the fight was more on the forefront. I think that now it just needs to be a weapon in your arsenal and you still have to have competent basketball and then have the sublayer of being able to fight. I would like for them to have the competent basketball, this very, very disgusting offense. And then whoever is getting 12 to 13 minutes a night, make sure that they are an MMA fight. fighter and then we can then we can move forward yeah but I don't actually just mean like literally

gonna fight you need guys oh I do that too they these guys should fight as well but you need guys who can get tough rebounds who can box out who can run in transition defend the rim and not get ran through be tough premier defenders have like actual tangible athleticism on the court too that's super important all these guys are skinny they're all young they don't have a lot of cumulative BMI on this team kind of skinny he's a fucking rookie he's not strong he doesn't he wasn't he wasn't exactly. Yeah, he got a nice base. I mean, I get it.

But like, did you watch that game? He wasn't exactly being the guy that stopped me being punked. I mean, that's here. Sure, sure. And that's not. I love this. The point is that every single guy is a twig, but they don't have plus athletic strength guys there. Like, Kahn isn't exactly a flower, but he's also not a brick wall.

Yeah. So, like, they need those type of guys. And I think a Lou Dort and Mitchell Robinson, those type of guys would make a big difference. Bro, imagine those Pistonsonsonsons, Hornets, and Mitchell Robinson. Oh my sense. So again, at least one of those guys I think is very important to bring physicality to this team. And then on top of that too, speaking of physicality, Moress Johnson Jr. out of Michigan,

yeah, I think they have the 14th overall pick or so. Mad muscle, bad physical. Okay. Yeah. So in the draft and in trades, go get a lot of muscle. For sure. I better see girth on that court around just getting you guys. And I bet you see Brandon Miller in the weight room.

Well, I would say lamella ball in the weight room, but I don't think it's going to happen. Yeah. Yeah, it's never this point. Not at this point. Oh, we mentioned Miami Heat already. We did the Hawks. We talked a little bit about the Jaylon Brown thing. Do you have, what's your actual thoughts around the Hawks and what they want to see them do quickly?

I mean, we can keep it, we can keep it brief. I mean, other than like getting some advanced creator and drafting Ademora, considering his size, passing and all that he provides, I think I'd want to keep that alive. Really, just like relying on internal growth too. And it's like more ball-handing playmaking. It's a fairly simple offseason. keeping your options open and being flexible. Yeah, I'm improving however you can while building around these guys. And I think getting a center like Mara is a good, good vision.

Yeah, for sure. Washington Wizards. What do we do with the team has a number one of all pick right now? Throughout this episode, I've had YouTube up. I've been watching AJ DeBonsor highlights. Okay. This is the guy. This is the guy.

They need to Bonsor. Just make sure that you draft them and everything's cool. Yeah, nailing the first overall pick. Apparently, bro, Sarr, like, hurt his foot and he's having off-season surgery, which fucking sucks. So, I mean, yeah, DeBanza helps that even more, considering you not have to roll on, you know, Saar and him being super duper prioritized anymore. That just sucks.

Breaking your foot in the off-season is big already. It's tough. It's the summertime, man. You're supposed to be the clubs. Thanks. You got a castle on your foot. You got a crutches. The hell.

It's supposed to be at Miami on clubs. crutches. Amy live in D.C. Listen out. And brunches? Tough. He can't work on his game for his game. You can still be at brunch. He still get sitting down. Yeah, but you're limited to

cities because you can't go to the actual beach. You can't. Getting sand in the cast is awful. You can't be there. Yeah. Damn. Your summer sucks. You're inside. You're a night. You're a night time. You're a summer night demon. No day parties for you. But yeah, making sure they draft the future of their franchise

and a more overall. Deciding if it's DeBanza, if It's Peterson if it's Boozer. The feeling around everybody is it is DeBanza. This is a year, unlike when I can remember in recent years, they have no clue in a solidified way, who the top three are going to be in what order. It's very much up in the air. The draft is in like fucking four days.

I've never been at this point where we have very little feel for which one of these teams likes which one of these guys. So funny, just a couple of days ago, Darren Peters's dad has been reposting. Darren Peterson in a fucking Washington, to Wizards Jersey, which is absolutely hilarious. And then Peterson himself, like, hasn't interviewed with any teams other than the Wizards. So it's like, they have like a back and forth that we haven't seen before.

It's hilarious. It'd be nice. We went there. If I was him, I'd want to go there too. Yeah. And like, come man, you guys want you have the Mormon thing. AJ's already there. Like, just go.

Just let him go to Utah. We can just, this all keeps, keep it civil. They want him. He probably wants Utah. Pick me. Let him go home. Like, boos are good of Memphis Grizzles. We all win.

Do a proper recoupling. Yeah, exactly. Like, why are we going to make this difficult? And why are you going to put the other teams in a toughest position? Look out for your fellow men. Let's do the mailbox challenge. Yeah, yeah. I'm like that.

The Wizards. Central Division is our last division today before we get to TikTok time. What should the Cavaliers do? What is their biggest problem to solve this off season? Get there, you're going back. Pretty much. That'd be real nice. Undue what you did.

Actually, they made the conference finals. They probably feel better. They probably feel all right about the James Hardin thing. Man, somebody had to be there. I agree. I don't go fuck about it, but they probably internally feel all right. Yeah. I would feel awful.

But the pathway, how you got there, having to go seven games at the Toronto Raptors. Yeah, I wrote trade one major piece. Make a pivot. I don't want to see them running back. They could. You know, they didn't make the conference finals in the spirit of the Knicks winning on continuity. I suppose they could run it back. And given the strange situation they're in, I guess I won't, like, lose my mind and hate it

if they'd just run it back and like maybe add one bench piece or something. Like, all right, you know, we'll say boring, but is what it is. I don't want that though.

I don't know care who you make your piece is. Are you going to have the foresight to trade Donald Mitchell and rip the bandit off and get the most for him before he falls off as he gets to be

a small guard in his 30s? Great. I don't think you can trade James Hardens. I won't even say that because like how the fuck are you going to do that? You're not going to keep Jets Harden around.

He just came from jail. He's not going nowhere. What do you mean? True. Yeah. his lawyer lives in Cleveland you're going to stick to him. Yeah.

I think it could just be trading Jared Allen and putting Moby at center, pairing him with a big power forward and figuring that out. Maybe it's bringing LeBron back. I don't know. Whatever it is, make one major piece gone.

I think the LeBron thing is actually the answer. Okay, so are we going to get him for the minimum? Are we going to sign and trade fucking Jared Allen and make my, Mike, my summer amazing? It's funny because I'm looking for

Kaz's rumors right now. The only thing I see is they're looking to move Dennis shorter. Dude, he's always on the move on, fun, man. Feel bad for professional renter.

Yeah, for sure. I don't even know if he's, he'd be on an Airbnb's, man. You have the hotel rentals. Yeah. Yeah. Sucks. You got rewards at Hilton.

Definitely. For sure. Fuck, man. So, I mean, do we think it's LeBron? Is that just the answer? Is their biggest part of this off season to bring LeBron back? Because if there is a vision,

it doesn't even got to be trading Jared on to Lakers. Let's say they trade Jared on somewhere else and they can convince LeBron to come home for the minimum or mid-level except taxpayer mid-level something for he's coming for love of the game. If we can make a pitch and convince him on that, the idea of trading Jared Allen and making Evan Mobya's center, which brings his own set of complications that he needs to develop the summer to do well. But let's say we can sell ourselves, like he can make those adjustments, add some weight and be a good center.

LeBron as a powerful, power forward next to him could make sense. It could, but you just laid it out and it's like, I'll take him the minimum to go back to Cleveland. Well, if it was going to take a minimum, it would be to go retire in Cleveland. Yeah, but I don't think he's going to I just don't know if he's going to take the minimum at all. So it's probably going to have to be

with the sign and trade. Okay, then call it that sign trade, Jared Allen. Congratulations. Sure. Yeah. Let's go. Let's go. Jared Allen.

Yeah. Days are gay. I knew Jared Allen bad. Okay. You won you alone. I might be the most thirsty human on earth with Jared Allen in my life. He keeps on going.

I've been talking about. for like three years. Okay. When we had AD, I want to Jared out next to him. Okay. I don't let me. LeBron,

can you do one more solid for me? Can you force your way to Cleveland? They're so greedy. Can you force you way to Cleveland? It's a greedy guy myself. I don't blame him. I want you honest. Everybody wins.

Yeah, man. We some LeBron. You're saying, I don't know. You want Vando? I'm thinking with you. You're being greedy. I don't stay. I just want you to fit with this eternal pain

with Vando. Hey man, they're going to wave and stretch his ass. They're running. He hates him. As he should. Yeah, so I think they needed, I think, mix up their lineup in some way, whether it be big or small change. Could be LeBron, could not be.

But I would like to see they make some kind of adjustment to the way they operate with their core. Yeah. Next team. Chicago Bulls. Number four picking this draft. Pick them out, pick the one of the big four that remains. They got their head coach and Tehago Splitter.

Their office season is pretty simple, I think. You signed a GM? You signed a head coach? you're going to pick a core player there should be a star level prospect unless you do some stupid and trade back you're kind of chilling Chicago set on getting Caleb Wilson

specifically yeah at least a vanza Caleb Wilson Tiago Splitter new GM they're kind of chilling kind of cooking kind of just works so your biggest priority take Caleb Wilson resist the urge to trade back and pick Max just take them yeah I think they're going to take them I hear all these rumors I think they're going to

take they're going to keep simple yeah I have the Indiana Pacers they made their offseason happen already with the Zubach thing. They cashed in their bets. We already talked about it. They got no lottery pick. Tough seam. And they already have their core pretty much wrapped up for the next two years

at least. And they just got to pray for internal growth at this point. That's all they can do. Yeah, like I said, they're all season already. Not much to be done now. I can't believe they move like that. That's it. They have no more moves. Okay. And we're talking about the books already. The goal is obviously to trade

Janus. Detroit Pistons. Last team today. That's me. they need hezy tween crossers and what's his name? Anybody Carrey Irving literally anybody and it's not just Kyrie

it is anybody who can perform multiple hezy tween crosses in a game because it's not just that they need shooting it's not just that they need you know somebody else who can

who can take the the responsibility off of Kade I want somebody that has like actual creation for them you want a filthy bag Yes, that can go out there and really create for themselves because this playoffs showed that not only do you need the creation because K just needs that to have the best version of him, Jalen Durenne's shrunk to an immense level throughout the playoffs.

And so having somebody who can make up for his deficiencies and his lack of offensive on-ball scoring, that is something that we've screened from the mountaintops, from the moon, from any star in the galaxy, the last year and a half that they've. they need and it remains to it was their downfall and it remains to be their biggest issue. So you have an open tryout and have Cohn's sit up and have everybody going. Hesie Twin Cross. You have

to complete 50 in a row and then you could be on the team and that's what is looking like for them. I think we trade Duncan Robinson, Karris Thivert and Ron Holland which gets us to $40 million and then attached whatever picks you need to go get Kyrie Irving and then you retain Tobias Harris and Kevin Herder's free agents.

they pissed me off man and jalen durran which that makes him a very expensive team pretty quickly well when you have when you have kate and you have somebody who did make you know first team all NBA and um and you start to have like those expectations you were the one seed like you need start you know being an expensive team that's a big three you need to start doing stuff paid jillandr 35 million probably kairi what's kaird make like 50 45 million right now let me check for you sure yeah yeah i'll be on 50 million dollars next year that's a that's a that's a that's a that's a big three. Yeah, and they need it. I'm tired to like, small, minuscule

like moves. Carries 42. Their big move was like in the regular season was bringing in Kevin Herder. He's someone who could do the Queen Hesie Cross. I don't know if that bar like is good enough anymore because we got him through the door. Can he? Yeah, he can. Yeah, he has a little more with wiggle than you think. Tell me.

Well, who you said? When's lost to me? See Kevin Herder. He's talking about Kevin Hurder Wurter. With Wiggle? Yeah, he can do with Hesie Twin Cross. A big can do it to you? Can he do it? Can he do it in Casein Wallace? He cannot do 50 Hezzy Tween crosses in a row. Man, listen, stop that.

I don't know if there's Hawkbice, Hawkebice or what. He can do a Hezied tweed grass. I know you're talking about earlier in his career. He wasn't in his bag a little bit. Those are the old days. Exactly. He scammed them. He showed them old highlights.

Yeah. Get him an open gym, put Donovan in front of him, who has he tween cross all day. I put J-Dubb in front of him. Hey, man, pass the rock. Keep him moving. Not going to stop disrespecting me. J-dub?

No, for Kimmer. He said, I never heard her with Dice him up. Kevin her. Mo, you think you j-dub? You would never heard her. Yeah, we've been begging for... Stop playing on my name. We've been begging for a secondary creator forever for this team.

Another shooter. If it's not Carrey Irving, I don't know. Go get Trey Murphy. I don't... See if Michael Porter Jr. still available. I can slide. Root of puppies. I can slide, man.

Pat Bev's mentality. I can slide. What I'm saying? Pat Bev's not. live. Yeah. Amagherk who are going to feel like Yonis is going to be. That's a great bar for me.

And with that being said, that is one priority for every single team. This NBA off season is now time. Welcome to TikTok time. For usual, we are going to begin with a draft, you know, actual NBA draft. It's around the corner. Okay. I figured we do a NBA draft related draft today. So on our spinner, we still have teams per usual.

We are going to spin it. and we're going to get a decade. And you had to pick a player that was drafted by that team in that decade. So in this instance, as you see on the screen, a Trailblazer drafted in the 1990s. So you might get deep in our back.

We might have to pull up the history of team draft picks if we get these 80s and 90s decades. Drafted? That's going to be tough. And no draft a trade. So if you get the Hornets, you can't pick Shay and Kobe.

We'll be reasonable about that. Oh, man. Nope, nope. If you get a shitter, you're taking a shitter. Okay. It's nerving. So draft order is,

Actually, they make sure because the draft To have to get the Mavericks to get Luca? Yes. Okay. Yeah, the Mavericks you get Luca. And is it? I forgot to update the draft order. Who went first last time?

Let me check real quick so we can make sure that we continue to do this the right way because lately these middle picks have been killers. They've been quite bad to have. I've been getting cooked. You haven't been cooked. Okay. Last one we do was Keeper Sabotage. I think Donovan went first.

Okay, so this is right. Yep, no, mind. That's right. So, spin that wheel. What do I get first? All right, here we go. 2010's Timberwolves draft pick. Anthony Edwards, 2020.

He is 20. God damn it. All right. You can get an NBA champion here. I can. Give you one Carl Anthony Towns on my center. And you can win a champion. I can.

It's improving. History says like I win a championship. Yeah, it's law. History says if I get a small guard, especially, I'm going to win a chip. That's the problem. They never had a small guard. I'm going to find one. God damn it.

I don't know who you want. Good. Was that Clavine action? There's Zach Levine. There's Aaron Wiggins. Andrew. Aaron. Or you can have Aaron.

I'll allow it. If you like Aaron Wiggins, you can have them. Didn't even get drafted by the. Executive decision, you can have them. Wesley Johnson's right there. What? Derek Williams. Ooh, okay.

So, Larry Marketing doesn't count because he was a draft night trade. Yes, no draft night trades. We'll be honest about the actual teams. Tough scene. Tough scene. Okay. Kevin Love doesn't even make the cut. Oh, yeah.

He was 09, yeah. That's tough. So. Gay love went away from the end. Yeah, I guess. Go ahead and give me Wiggins. Over Zach Levine, interesting. Wiggins.

Yeah, NBA champion. Oh, we both had NBA champions. Look at that. Look at that. Jimmy Butler could never. Do you're 2010s? All right. That's cool.

I would take Zach Levine at my two. That's good. Honestly. Getting the best version of Levine's not bad. All right, spin number two. Where's Donovan going first? We got 2010s again. Maverick.

And I will take Luca Donchit at my point guard position. God damn it. Draft night trade, but he went to the map, so we'll allow you to have them. Damn. Hey, they draft nobody else good this whole decade. Yeah, I don't think so either. Like outside of that, who we talk about, man? Dennis Smith?

Oh, stinky. Kelly on it? Oh, no. Kelly was a draft night trade. Yeah, this is bad. There's an honestly bleak. Oh, Derek lively. Oh, no, that's 2020s.

Oh, tough scene. I'll take Jalen Brunson. Fuck, I don't know. We forgot. Damn it. I was hoping you wouldn't look at the second round. I was like, oh, they all suck. Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep.

Go ahead and take your guy. I actually don't know who my guy is. Who's the best choice left? I actually. Dennis Smith, Jr. Yeah. Wow, is that really the best option left? Let me see.

Is that really the best option I got in front of me right now? That's crazy. No way, that's the best option. You got a champion, you got champion. Well, I got two champions on my team. You know, they had like no draft picks for most of this decade. Go ahead. I'm actually like, I legitimately do not know.

Again, we told you. Dennis Smith is right there. It's hard. You know, it's tough when you look up draft picks. It doesn't show you the draft picks. So I can't tell like for real who are the draft picks sometimes. Justin Anderson, he's right there. So I got to look at rosters to make sure I don't get shafted.

Somebody that should have been actually there. But I can't remember what other picks they got. We're telling you who. Is it actually Dennis Smith? Like, yeah. I'm going to take my time. if nobody's somebody's lying to me. I'm going to find out.

I'm not lying to you, bro. He's filibustering again. I'm not even filibustering. I'm telling you. I'm going to take my time and figure this out. Well,

this is a draft man. Come on now. Yeah. This is crazy. Surely there's somebody in Ben and Dennis Smith, right? No. Not really.

Like, we're being 100% real with you. Surely? You know? Who did you have in 2017? Dennis Smith. Okay. He's going insane. I'm like, there's no fucking way.

He can't escape. These boxed firmly. You're not going nowhere. Wow. We try to give you the best advice, man. Wow. Again, the filibuster. We have to stop this.

At this point, I'm just looking out of, like, astonishment. Because I know I'm picking Dennis Smith. I'm just looking around. Like, wow, they picked Justin Anderson in 2015. Yeah, right. Wow. I'm astonished by the names I'm looking at right now. Yeah, I guess I got to do it. Dennis Smith? I didn't say that yet.

He's thinking Dennis Smith. All right. Come on, man. All right. Hurry up, man. Wow. Wow. I couldn't have Bruns and a cat together.

Why didn't you take Trio? Draft my trade. Because you have Luca. We went over this. Uh, if you know, next team. 2000s Miami Heat. Let's go redemption.

Give me Dwayne Wade on my shooting guard. Okay. And they got to survive me Dennis Smith when I got cat, Dway. damn that's not fun yeah it's all fun it's all fun to watch me suffer huh yeah it's all fun so I get redemption yeah it is okay so I got solid

options here I think the best option is bam out of bio yeah it's not two thousands that would be best option though if that 2000s I forget fuck okay shit I would like that 20 10 match for the 2000s

yeah they had to wait they were good pretty fast yeah You guys are fucked. I got two options. Make my choice for me. I got one real option for real, man. And it's not bad. Give me Corona Butler.

All right. You made my choice. My two. Solid player for many years. Yeah. What you want, Michael Beasley? Of course I'm going to. Michael Beasley at my three.

This is the worst team construction for Luca. Oh, God. Beasley, LeBisley, LeBisley. Veed. Look at that's bullshit. No defenders. Yikes. That's bad,

man. That's real bad. Spin that wheel. Let me get Cavs. 22,000s. 2010s. You want to pair of Luca and Trey Young together?

I'm like. You kind of have to. Oh, 20s. Hawks. Hawks. Let's see. Let's see.

Not terrible. They had a lot of bad years. Yeah, there's some players here. in the 2010s Cambrideish It's not looking amazing Kevin Hurder again Known Hooper

Known Hooper I mean I could listen I need a defender I could take Kelly Ubre You know what Killy Bray was not drafted by the Hawks Was he? Kelly Ubre

He was What are you talking about It was a draft my trade He was originally drafted by the hawk He was originally drafted by the house You got to stay on the right It's the opposite side You have Luca

Because it was the opposite Either way I'm taking Trio We're gonna slide everybody up We're gonna slide Levine to the 3 We're gonna slide Levine to the 3 Not just that he not had to do that

He shouldn't have done that Yeah you didn't have to do that at all man I don't know what you're doing Oh my gosh Okay So This is tough But at my 4 give me John Collins

I was gonna do that 40% three point shooter Give me rebounds as well Damn, oh, Nick is 2022. Fuck. Deontra Hunter's right there. In 2020 as well, I mean. DeAndre Hunter is there.

I guess I could have DeAndre Hunter. Wait, Hunter was drafted. Wait, hold on. He was traded to the Hawks on draft night, so. Yeah. So we get Deandre Hunter counts. Okay. This is confusing everybody.

No, I just remember, like, the whole cast. Yeah. I forgot. I generally forgot about that transaction. Yeah, yeah. I can pick Dennis Schroeder. I could pick DeAndre Hunter. Wow, that's about it.

Mike Scott wants some emoji tattoos on my team. Yeah. That really... John Jenkins. Amari Spelman? Hey, don't sleep, but I'm Marysbillman. You suck, man. Kevin Herder.

The problem is... I would just take Kevin Herder because he's good, but I don't want... I need some size on the wing. I guess give me Deandre Hunter. Yeah, I'll have a power. I'll also have a small forward-sized guy. But D-Wating, I can survive that pick. I guess.

Yep. Who's our last team? 2,000 Spurs. And I get the third pick. I was 2011. Yep. Duncan was 90 something. Duncan's the 90s.

Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Wow. And I have guards on guards on guards. Mm-hmm. So I'm going to put, I'm going to have to put D-W8 in my fucking small four.

This is not fun. Let me see, 2010, 2000s is. A Tiago's split rich after this decade. I was thinking Tiago. He's kind of, whoa. No, in the 2000s? Yeah. Oh, Manu's 99.

Damn. Can't even take Monu's 99. I already have guards. I mean, I guess I have to take Tony Parker, don't I? You can take Tiago. Look me in the eyes and tell me I take Tiago. Tonyi Parker. You can take Tiago.

Don't look at me in the eyes. Your eyes lie. Your eyes just see you. Put Cat at the four. Put a DeAndre Hunter at the four. Way, way, at the three. Tennis Smith, Jr. Get ready to speak three.

shooting guards. I'm picking Tony Parker. Wow. What a weird ass team. I know. It's not bad, though. Yeah, I mean, that's fine. Dennis Smith is just kind of, if I can have any other person there plays defense. Yeah. Because of Donovan's team, Tony Parker at the one is not the worst. True. And he has Karam Butler and Runceton. So it's not like it's crazy. Okay. That's how you feel?

Okay. I'm pussy. All right. You're right. Nobody's locking you up. Yeah, two point guards. It makes sense. Okay, so give me Tiago Spitter on my file. Oh, your team is horrible, bro. Your team is horrible.

It's not horrible. Coram Butler College is a little. Coralm Buller's not bad. What do you mean? It's cool. It's all service of players. He's your second best player. I got Brunton.

I see him carry worse. Bronson, Spitter. This is the team fits really well. Aaron Wigg. Not Aaron Wiggins. What the hell? What is my fascination? Andrew.

Your fascination? Yeah. Yeah, the Aaron Wiggins fascination. Yeah. Tiago at his best, 10 at 6. I'm not doing too much. Technically, you do have three all-stars because Andrew Wiggins made an all-star one time.

And Caron brothers also like to squeeze into an all-star game a couple times, have a guy. This is a good team. Technically, you have three all-stars. Fit-wise, I think this is the best fit team together. For sure. They do fit better than my team, for sure,

because I have a million guards. I got three all-stars. Yeah, you have three all-stars. And my all-stars are legends. I mean, Runson's a legend, too. Okay, why now? Okay, he is. I got three of those guys.

He has a legend, by the way. I'll take Luis Scola at my five. Who did you say? Louis Scola. Okay. Ooh, you got Louis Scola. Your defense is, this is the worst defense I've seen in my life back. His teams are stupid.

Shout out Scola, man. Scola? I love Louis Scola. Argentina legend, man. He's a hooper. Wow. That's a gold medalist. So Donovan loses.

It's not even close yet. All right. His team is the hardest to stop offensively for sure, though. Your team is balanced and you do have size around Brunson. Yeah, it's a good team. I have Kat. Katz can't obliterate Splitter. You got to stop hating on Splitter.

No, I don't. You hate on them way too much. What the fuck? What am I hit on Splitter before the past two minutes? You hate on him. I've never talked about Splitter. I've brought up Tiago Splitter before in a draft. He's like, oh, he's food.

You got to relax. He's food. He's food. You got a. He's not complete food. You're doing a lot. He's not bad. He's serviceable.

You're really doing a lot. Why do you let you have splinters so much? I'm just saying. Yeah, like he couldn't like, bro. Trying to get a splitter interview. We don't want that for real either, but still. I mean, you're the champion, I guess. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, which 10 points one time. Exactly. Tennessee. Wiggins, Colin Butler, Ronson. To just act like he's just like, you know, garbage is, it's wild. He's garbage, but Cassieckon. gonna I've no no issue saying I'm cats gonna cook him you go only got like one real suitor on your team have hunters fake shoot nests yeah hunter's wildly he's he's a fake ass

he had one good year wait was there a late career Dennis Smith junior year where he wasn't on anything but he was in threes no if there is I want that year was playing defense actually I know he was but was he shooting just wherever was there a single year when she was making three's for hell no let's see oh wow super hellnaw is the right answer yeah He was not doing that at all. 2023, he was on the Hornets and he was playing defense. 21% from three. Yeah.

You got it. You got it. You got the best team, man. You got it. Three all stars. Collins, splitter. You got it. Got the live threat.

Yeah. Love threats. Oh, Collins? Yeah. Okay. Come on. That you went Tiago. I was like, apparently Tiago's my Howard.

No, he's good. Serviceable. Yeah, he's mad decent. And here I am, apparently a Tiago splitter. For no reason. Never do that. He's just, he's Luke Cornett. He's just a guy.

Luke Cornett. Don't do that. He's way better than Luke Cornyn. You have these childhood memories of him blocked the Bra and you think he's amazing. First of all, no, Brown blocked him. Yeah. Oh, my bad backwards. There you go.

There you go. What do you mean? Yeah. I tried giving him props for something that I misremembered. And you were like, no, stop it. Tiago splitter hater. That's crazy. I know.

What is wrong with you? Therapy. What the hell? What did you do to you? This is insane. He's a random backup big that was on a good team. He was a starter for one year. For one year.

No, two years, actually. Two years. Those are important years. They were in the finals. Yeah. He was important years. Got to give him. Shout to him.

Shout to I, yeah. He's not like a whole affair, but you were dragging it a little bit. So it's like, I'll obliterate Tiago Splitter. I don't know about obliterate. You were doing just a little bit too much. Cat will cook Tiago Splitter. I'll continue to do too much then. I don't think.

as controversial. You got the other back. Just like, stop respecting cat. Maybe like, no, no, like five percent less disrespect

on, on Tiago. I'll give five percent more if you're like, yeah, like he's like, damn boner or something like that. Just a dude.

I'll give you five percent more if really want it. Come on. Yeah, we can start there. Like, it's just, just a lot.

Like, it's just unnecessary. I didn't know you were such a Tiago's hundred fan. I don't know. I said, no, no, he's not even a fan.

He's just like, respect this all. There's a lot of, just be a real a lot of a guy that's you he's not like he's Jackson Avers

and like he could you can play with him but he said cat would cook him to like that's not too much and drawing attention to it

and now it's a thing anyways next thing we got today I'm going to show you some NBA players draft comparisons from when they were

coming up in their draft class you had to guess the player done this every year around the time of the draft here we are

again. Most of these are pulled from the ringer. So keep that in mind. It's from the ringer draft guide. Some of them are from other sources. But mostly the ringer draft guide. Keep those biases in mind. First off. Kevin Garnett. Who got Kevin Garnett Combs in 2001 specifically?

Oh, in 2001. I don't know if Chris Boss got him like that. Wasn't it? It was a bad draft class. But one guy was getting Kevin Garne Garnett comp. 2000. I'm going to say the best guy. Is that Kenyon Martin? Nope, not Kenya Martin. See 2000? Probably.

Might have been, yeah. I got to look at the 2001 draft class. Nope. Don't worry. It'll make it too easy. I don't know, honestly.

I forget who the number one pick was anyways. Elton Brand? Nope. No. This is the guy that people saw in college and they said, you can be this dominant post big, do it all,

block some shots probably, do the creation. What did you say? The beat? No, the beat's like 2007. Yeah. Man, that's way later. Yeah.

Our knowledge on 2001 draft classes is a lapse. Fair. You do know this guy. And when I say it, you'll realize you're saying the right type of names. The same Kwame? This is Kwame Brown.

He was expected to be the next Kevin Garnett. Good Lord. Good Lord. That was way off. He said the 2001 Scouts did not cook with that one. Good grease. Good. That's bad.

Even if my, Kevin Garnett was in what, like, year five, he was blossoming being as elite player. We got the next one. Kwame. Yeah. Good grief. to miss. Next one.

Offensive-minded Andrew Bogot. What does that even mean? Good screen setter can fairly athletic. Andrew Bogot can jump a little bit. He could move around.

Yeah. Offensive-minded, but like, what's that mean? Like, he just get buckets. I think it's probably coded language for not as good at defense. I would guess.

He's offensive-minded. Motherfucker, can't move his feet. I don't know. the fuck this is. Who's just like big can get buckets, not playing defense? Yep, you know that there you go.

Kevin Love? What the hell? No, no, this is a true center. A true center. In the mid-2010s. They said, this is cat. This is Carl Lenthe Towns of Draft Comp, correct.

This is, oh, wow. Offensive-minded Andrew Bogot. That offensive-minded, backhanded is hell. He's just not defensive-minded. He's just not defensive-minded. Yeah. Andrew Boggart, they just picked the most random big dude They didn't think of.

Yeah. And I guess Andrew Boga was a skilled big that could be a score. Like Cat was like, you know, number one pick two. I guess it wasn't the worst comp. Now, they didn't see him becoming the greatest three-point shooting big man of all time. They didn't anticipate that. Yeah. But I guess in the moment it's not horrible.

Yeah, who Kat was supposed to be was so off, off of the player that who he actually turned into. Yeah. Yeah, he's supposed to be a defender that could do post moves. Yeah. And now he's stretched the field, stretch the court, attack off the dribble. Bit of a surprise. Yeah.

It used to be a Jolal Okafoy guy. Mm. Tough. You died on those hills? Yeah. See, I thought they would just like pull some random white big man. Like Zach Collins. That was my guess.

Mm. That'd be high praise for Zach Collins. I mean, they didn't think he was like that. They did. That's the blazers man, whiffing on dress. I love to see it. Blessing so many other teams. Next one.

The second coming of Tracy McGrady. Oh, this could be anybody. Oh. Is this Andrew Wiggins? Nope, not Andrew Wiggins. Damn. We're talking about, I mean, he's not as, like, crazy, crazy athletic, but like mellow. I'm just thinking about, like, elite scores.

Yeah, no, it was not mellow. And keep in mind for these, keep in mind the time in which somebody might be saying this. So second coming, so this is probably like, 08. It's like Beasley. He's a little bit too big, I think. Too big? Okay. Yeah, because, and again, T-Mack was just, like, T-Mach.

I could jump over guys as as well. The second coming in team back is somebody that like, listen, can go toe to toe to with anybody. Great, great bag. I'll say Beasley isn't the worst guess. Or this? Worst player. Worst player than Michael Beasley?

Yeah. Whoa. Hold on. Not too much. There's not a lot. There's not a lot. Why are you a Michael Beasley hater? Here we go again. Wow. man, worse than Michael Beasley.

What's the next? 10 minutes of my beat up Woodrow. I don't know what to say around this guy nowadays. He's stressed. Yeah, I'm saying. He doesn't let shit fly.

I said I said John Brett was Martin Day D. Rosie did the same shit to me. He's like, whoa, chill. I mean, I'll get ahead. That was specifically

He rose with MVP of the league. Like, it was, it was a different level. But for this one, I don't. This is a player you'll most know for 2K. You'll most know this player for playing with him in 2K. It's like a Gerald Green. This is Gerald Green. He was called the second coming with Tracy McGrady in his class.

Oh, we got high hopes for everybody. Just feel, just filled with potential. I'm uncomfortable, man. This is made. We isn't, we as MAA fans. There's optimistic guys. Like, I'm disturbed. You disturbed.

So imagine, like, so you had a lineup of Bogit, Bogit, KG, and Tracea McGrady at your 5,4, 3, and then you have, you have Kwame, Kat, Gerald Green. I'm like, I look at that and I say those are the same. I think he's better than Beasley as well. He had a longer career, way longer. He's a better NBA player than Beasley. Yeah.

These are nasty debates right now. Talent for talent. Yeah, Beassey's more talented or gifted. Beasley didn't have a long career though for other reasons. Yeah.

So. You're not a better hooper though. Okay. You got it. Better basketball playing. Not a better hooper. What I meant was worst prospect. Was that BZ was number two,

I think, right? And Jero Greer wasn't number two. Yeah. Wasn't, I don't know why he got T-Mack columns. He wasn't like a top guy at his class like Biesley was. Yeah, I'm like, what the hell?

That's what I meant. Disgusting. Somebody saw him. It's like, found a diamond in the rug. Yeah. That's Tim Mac. Yeah.

Something to make my name today. All right, next one. Shack with a jump shot. Oh, my. Oh, my goodness. This is, um, Kenny Lofton, Jr. No.

This is a guy that, again, keep in mind of when this comp was probably made. They're looking for the next shack. This guy was definitely. Kendrick Perkins. Nope, not fall off.

Big with a jump shot? Mm-hmm. It's bowling ball. If you're, if you're, if you're shack with a jump shot, there, you have to go number one overall. Like if that's what they expect, you have to be a top pick.

This is probably when they were looking for the next shack and using very superficial ways of deciding the next shack. So who's big? Who's the biggest? The largest. Who got that good? Who's humongous? The largest.

Is it Big X to plug? Jack would have jump shop. Big X to block. Correct. Who are the overly big players are on that? This, okay, this is an overly big player for that time. It's not Glenn Davis? No, nope, nope, nope, little bit before that.

This is what we've never really talked about him. You'll know who he is, but like, you're not going to be like. Oh, yeah, I love that guy. Yeah, me? No, nope, nope, this is a guy that looks more like Shaq. So he's black. So he went, I'm assuming he went high in the draft. DA's lottery.

I don't know exactly where when. Let me check. Let me check. Because it is kind of crazy because if your comparison is Shaq with a jump shot and you don't go top five,

you're trashed. He was a fourth overall pick in his draft. He's not trashed. In 2001. You know that draft class is best. This is Eddie Curry. He was a 300 pound prospect

that they said you are massive, you are Shaq, and you can shoot a little bit. Makes sense, makes sense, damn. I didn't even though I had a jump shot. I don't think he ever I don't think he materialized I think he was shooting mid-range jumpers in college

and they were like yep jump shot Eddie Curry he actually never shot any threes his entire career every year his average three point temps is zero point zero they've seen a couple mid ranges understand yep he probably took like one a year if that actually two of the years has 1.0 so he took a three that year the rest of years there's no input so he took zero

he almost never shot jump shots what was his college stats look like he must have been filthy in college Probably. He's 300 pounds. Throwing it around. Nah. You didn't play college, actually. 17 and 12. I'll bet.

Damn. Okay. It didn't play cards. Solid guy. All right. Next one. High energy, Hassan Whiteside.

Isn't he? Assan Wyside, I got low energy? Okay. Listen, once he got paid, yeah. Facts. All right, so Hassan Wightside broke onto the scene 2016. Mm-hmm.

So I'm assuming this is like 27, 17, 2018 range. We're saying it's a shot blocker, high energy. It's like Moamba range. You're not super far off. It's not Moamba. Derek Glythe. No, Derek Glevy's too good for this.

No, I think, yeah, died out for sure on that. Yeah, by 2020, people weren't coping Hassan Whiteside. I was saying Jackson Hayes? No, Jackson, this is a guy that has the frame of Hassan Whiteside. That's why he says that. Hassan Whiteside is a huge guy. Jackson Hayes is kind of slight.

That man got biceps. Yep. Okay. So is this guy and he's long and as again, that same type of frame with the length. It's not jailing during again, way too. No, it really has to be like a two year span where anybody can call it a four year span. Let's call it at the end of that four year span. So we can get to 2019, 2020.

Let's get to exactly 2020. Here we go. Let's get to the second pick in the draft. Yeah, Dan, this is this was Wiseman. This is James Wiseman. Bro, this is nasty. High energy, Hassan-wide. There was like the T-1 million.

It was so scarce. Wow. No one knew what to think of him because of the whole suspension stuff that he faced in Memphis. And a lot of people weren't high on him. A lot of people knew that it was going to not go too well. And I guess the ring of draft guy was one of them. They just relied on Nike, IBL and A.U footage. Tough.

Very tough. Very tough. Is this a terrible comp? Not really. Yes. 100%. For who? Both.

I'd be so mad if I also saw on Whiteside. Man, please. Look at defense is all life. What the hell? remember one time we had many of these moments too where I said something like that about Weissman

you guys were like he's alright I remember that I can't remember why we had that combo I remember going to jump for saying Weisman sucks at a track I think maybe it was like after

I don't know it's probably a low point in this career it was like six months ago he was injured yeah alright next one Shay Gildilus Alexander

mixed with Sam Casse Whoa my god this guy's good. So this is going to be Sam Cassell. So this is going to be this guy rocks. Sam Cassell is in there for like point guard stuff controlling the game. Shea's in there because you're

a bucket from the mid range. Good footwork. Shea the last, I'm going to assume this is like the last three years probably of draft comparisons where people really start to use Shay as like a building block. She's got a bit of big comp guy for his entire career though because early on he was that like long guard that can be slithery type of comp then he became MVP comp so there's a different a few areas of shay comps is this early shay or

later shay middle tier shay closer to early shay it's not tyree saliburton this is tary saliburton they see see him as a long guard that was slithery and did point guard stuff like his own see like the second they see like a tall point guard who is just not explosive at all she and they're right at 2021 before she was him this is a good good cop who's they i don't know rick your draft guide them they were right i know i don't know

for 2021 this is a perfect cough not gonna lie eh i don't know when she was just a long slashing guy that like could move well but wasn't he wasn't the best mid-range shooting elite at that point you know yeah but he was like

somewhat more like stronger i don't know sure it's not one to one but i think the signs of there that slithery body type and Cassell point great stuff? I guess. It's decent. I'm just going to be like,

no. Yeah. I don't like it. I don't like it. I don't know. Not too much on Sam. Not back, man.

I think this would make more sense for someone like Kate Cunningham out of him and like, okay, I could see more of those. Terese is like, hips are high moves a little differently um hips are high long ass legs man

skinny skinny john wall shay not she uh all right so like solid passer crazy athletic skinny jaw this is jaw moran's correct

good you sniped it easy one that makes sense you know what kind of worked out kind of was skinny john John Wall, too. Yeah. Oh, yeah, Pete. Pete Jod?

Kind of Skinny John Wall. He was like that. Yeah. They're a little different players, obviously, but skinny John Wall is mostly correct. Okay. Athletic guards like that are always the easiest people to comp. Yeah. If you're athletic guard and you run real fast and dunk, we know what you're going to be.

You're a John Wall variance. We know it's. You're some level of Dennis Smith Jr. What is this? Alpha male Andrew Wiggins. Is Anthony Edwards? What the hell? No.

Alpha male Andrew Wiggins. I don't like this. It's so disrespectful to Andrew Wiggins. I don't like this. I think Andrew, but what if he's like more alpha male? Yo, I cannot have any conversations with this scout ever. Whatever Andrew Wiggins is low cortisol. It's so rude.

How is it not antho? It came a little bit before. Right. A little bit before ain't. Wiggins is a six, nine, super athletic forward, can jump out the gym. I'm assuming at this point, we're starting to, well, he didn't get traded to. I will say there's one characteristic of Wiggins that drew a lot of lazy comps, and this is one of them. Canadian. Oh, this is R.J. Barrett?

This is R.J. Barrett. Yes. That's great. It's not even for real true, I guess. He plays nothing like Wiggins. This didn't materialize at all. What do you mean by Alpham? He's seen, he's seen R.J. Y.L. once. Just because he thought He thought that he was the best player on Duke. He wasn't alpha. He was going to take them layups.

Yeah. He was going to slash. I guess. Was I on Goose? Yeah. Regardless of if he was like getting hit or anything, RJ Behr was going to try and finish through contact. Maybe he is Alpha Andrew Wiggins.

How about that? Sure. You with the ringer, man. You with them. Next up. Rajan Rondo with Super Soldier Serum. This Russ? Nope, it is not Russ.

I'm assuming that they're saying this because it's still like you have the brain of Rondo but you're in a bigger body. So if we're thinking about like point guards. This is Ben Simmons? No, it's a good guess. It's not bad.

Is it in the era? Kind of. It's more recent. Maybe this is a guy that some people might have said is going to be the good Ben Simmons and that's going to work out. Josh Giddy?

No, no, no, no. What kind of super soldiers here but Josh Giddy has? I don't know. Some fucking Kmart super soldiers. Serum. Cade Cunningham? Nope.

Ben Simmons, if he worked out, these tall point guards? Not worked out, like, but like... Yeah, yeah, yeah. One might have thought in his draft class, this would be a Ben Simmons of a player, but better.

And maybe it was because it was this guy got drafted just after Ben Simmons fell off. And maybe they're taking age well in terms of exact comps. See, this is Lonzo? Nope. Right after Ben Simmons fell off.

Not before he was drafted. So that's like 21? Mm. Maybe he is in the 2023 draft class Maybe he plays in No way They said this is

Scoot Henderson No maybe this was after that Oh a man Thompson Oh okay okay Maybe this was my take That was wrong Maybe this is what I called him

In our draft comparisons episode that year Ooh Ooh Maybe I thought he'd be an elite passer And he said this for him I did Fuck man

I thought he'd have to handle In passing That it's not materialized He is a wing Yeah people thought he was a point guard at the time they did I was people yeah

yeah I haven't seen him do a great pass in a while he still does have super soldier serum but I was wrong about Rondo he's just a soldier that's it you got that part right let's go one is a win

next one washed Carmelo Anthony this is the pre-draft comp they said he's gonna be the bad version of Mello Rui Hachamura yes I got to stop.

Boom. I guess what? They got it exactly right. Yeah. He is Washmelo. Yeah. Made sense. Him and those gazade days.

That is how he plays. He loves walking into middies. Can't run super fast, but we'll get to his midi. Get you a couple rebounds here and there too. Your career is Portland Mello. Yes. That's not that far off.

And like it is. Literally is. They cooked. That's crazy. Yeah. It's not bad. Not bad at all. Next one.

Pascal Seacom. Consumed by the symbiote. What the fuck? What does like consumed by symbiote mean for real? Like you're just a demon? In Spider-Man You know he wears the black suit sometimes

Yeah The symbiote takes him over It makes him more aggressive And he doesn't have control his motions Quite as much So he's This is Wembe? I don't know

Well, I don't know The symbiote makes you grow 10 inches Okay Scottie? Nope Consume by symbiote It's hilarious So it's a

It's a big four or just a four which is a big forward of some sort yeah it's not obviously I don't know bad guess when was he drafted

2015 perhaps he is not he is not a guy he's not a guy he's drafted before Seaccom so certainly not him maybe this guy hasn't been drafted yet oh it's DeBonsa

this is a J. DeBonsa this is a really good comparison for him right now I'm not glad that's not a bad comp at all it's actually quite good yeah people are laughing at it

because like what the fuck that's consumed by the symbiote if you're the type of nerd that knows what that means it's a good comp yeah In an interview, he said that. He does feel like venom.

You give venom. He said he likes to listen to murder music when he works out. So it's like, okay, I can see that. They definitely got that from that interview. Yeah, he consumed by the symbiote. That's not bad. I see the vision. It's really not bad at all.

They actually. On Twitter, they're flaming this. He's got to know what the symbiote is. It's actually a good comparison. They kind of cooked. They cooked, okay. Next one. Large Louie.

Williams. Dionne Waiters. Nope, not Dionne Waiters. What's somebody who just score? That's all they're doing. But they're a smooth score. Somebody who can get... Is there like a modern day professional score?

I'll say this. You don't think about him in this way. When I say it, you'll be like, oh, maybe he is Largely Williams. But his place in a league right now, you don't really think about him in that way. Jordan Clarkson? No, it's a variant. Is it Jordan Poole? Nope.

It's not a Jordan. Not a bad. It's not the variant I was speaking of. Damn it. But it's kind of a long time. He's a super Jordan Pool variant. In fact, a couple of years ago, there was some debates

by him versus Jordan Pool they were compared a lot, randomly. Okay. So my, circa, 2023 debates that were happening. Pool versus who in 23? Or 22.

I don't know exactly the year. Okay. So how you give him you right there. Hmm. That's a, that's a weird time period. Mm-hmm. And he plays like pool. They're quite similar players.

I can't think of somebody. Somebody like, because it pulls already, how tall? Like 6.3? He's like 6.2. I think he's listed at 6.3. 6.3?

Whether he really is, I don't know. He's listed at 6.3, I think. Yeah, because he pulls already. I think this guy's like 6.4. Might be a little bit bigger. Large. No, I'm tripping. He was drafted to be the heir parent

to learn from a star guard. Didn't really work out that way. I don't think you learned shit. Okay. Kind of does his own thing. Yo, I'm going to be so mad at my story now. This is Amfordy Simons. Oh.

I'm so mad. I had him in my mind. You're right. I can't see that. It makes sense now. I can't see that. Yeah. Okay.

Yeah, he didn't really learn anything from Louisville, but he probably learned a little bit from Jordan Pool. I hate that, man. I mean, he didn't learn anything from Lillard. Damn. He probably learned a thing or two from Jordan Poole. Okay. This is not a bad count.

Kind of makes sense. Yeah. He might be destined to be Louisville. He just hasn't really been a six man for a team yet. Yeah. I like this. He was for a second. And they traded him.

Sure, sure. Yeah. He hasn't, he hasn't a six man for a good team yet. But maybe he's destined for that to be in that role. He was. And then they traded him. He traded him. And then they traded him.

Brad, that's your one miss gang. That's your one miss. Sorry. Yeah. Shout out Busovich. No. Don't shout out Vucevic. No.

Expired O'Shay Mayo. Okay, is this Dion Waders? No. Deon's got to be fired. Why does Dio got to be somewhere. It's not good. What do you mean?

Expired OJ Mayo is so disrespectful. Terror is here. Nope. Damn. Here's the thing. When you hear expired blank, what do you think about? Milk? Milk.

If I were to call somebody milk, what would you think about them? White. Correct. So a white O.J. Mayo. I guess. I think it might just be an expired joke, honestly. It might just be calling him expired milk. Call on Gron Dr.

What? Oh, hell, no. Going into the draft, you were expired milk. They might have wrote this for a love of the game to get a joke off. Because I don't understand the comp. Luke? Yeah, just tell me to call it. This is Grayston Allen.

Doesn't say. Expired mail is funny, though, for Grace and Allen. Yo, they let Bill Simmons let anyone say anything over there. It's kind of funny. He loves an analogy. He was the ball. I don't know. He's playing a little more awful.

He's not OJ Mayo. I know. I ain't right this. That's not how he plays. But if we're writing down draft comms and you have the opportunity to call Grayson Allen expired Mayo, that's funny.

You got to take that. I would do that 10 times over. You got to make sense a little bit. Who says? Fair. Yeah, they're leading. No pushback at all. That's what.

I don't want a pushback. What? Mark. Jackson mixed with Derek Fisher, mixed with Luke Rittenauer. So Jalen Brunson. Wow. This is Jalen Brunson.

Oh shit. That's nice. You know why you said that? Because you look at these faces and Mark Jackson and Derek Fisher kind of look like if you combine their faces in BJM and Brunson. They just thought he was going to be a scrub. They both got the round,

Lineskin face. They look the same. And then Luke Rittenauer or two. Yeah, he's going to have a place in the league somewhere. Yeah, yeah. It'll be a second round pick. It'll be a guy. They'll be really doing homework for a second round pick, though.

Yeah. I know three players for a cop Yeah I'm saying And they're kind of like They're kind of on to something These aren't horrible You know the body type of Fisher That kind of movement

The point guard skills of Mark Jackson Luke Rineauer can shoot and score a little bit All of them like literally like Smash together Made their attributes like plus maybe 40 better Yeah this Brunson Did put him in the hyperbaric time chamber He becomes a star

It kind of worked out Yeah I've never This is so weird Because I've never thought about any one of these three individuals being like a part of jana brenson's game yeah and like the fact that the combination of those three makes the best player in the world oh my god is weird he's really gonna be saying anything this summer we can't say a damn thing about it he's he's he's the best all right

he's moving like fuck yeah say something he got seven trophies in a year seven what trophies he got the the NBA the Cup MVP the Eastern Conference trophy Eastern Conference MVP title finals MVP and then

he won the shooting stars at the All Star game I want you to leave you on he got seven trophies all right man that was two separate trophies who won the Eastern Conference finals he's disgusting they got they hand out two trophies that people are eligible for

OG could have got it cat could have got it. They didn't. Ben Simmons with the jumper. Oh, this is Denia Villa. No. Hell not. This is Lonzo? Hell no. Lonzo, once again, drafted right next to Ben Simmons. We're going to

space it out a little bit to make it so Ben Simmons is a common comp. I'm thinking... This is Luca. Could have been Luca. I would say the person that this is is the closest thing to Luca. But it's not Luca. Cade. This is Cade Cunningham. Correct.

Fair. Kind of Benson's a little jumper in some ways. I mean, different players, but I kind of see it as a prospect. It's a big, license can pass. Yeah. That's good enough. Yeah. Yeah. You can shoot, yeah.

He's gigantic lights get point guard. Okay. It's about all the similarities you need. Benson just moves entirely different, though. Yeah. Like the speed, I thought it's just different category athlete. So it's not a, it's really not good comfort. No way.

I think about it. I don't like this. Ben Sims with a jump shot, LeBron. Yeah, literally. way more explosive than Cade Can you imagine if you had been Simmons' exposed with this?

That's LeBron James literally to a T. Yep. Next one, we got Gen Z, Powgasol. Mm. I'll say this was a pretty this is an understandable comp

as a prospect. Is it like Derrick Queen? No, no, no, no. If you gave Derrick Queen Pau Gasol comps, Glazer. Larry Marketing. Nope.

Gen Z though. Gen Z. Yeah, that. Is that marked a millennial? I don't know. I don't know. I think he's Gen Z. He's not 38, is he?

I think he's. No. We're Gen Z, right? Yeah, we're, you don't know? No, I don't know. Yeah, you're Gen Z. I don't know what the line is. It's like 9.95.

Okay. Oh, this is Singoon. No, not Schengun. To get a Pau Gaukamp, you probably got to be a higher drafted prospect. You got to be Spanish, too. You got to be foreign. You don't have to be that. You do have to be pale skin.

I'm thinking about the pale guys right now. I see. You don't have to be Spanish, but you cannot be black. Okay. Hale? Evie's not that. I would say this is quite easy

since I've laid out to you. That he can't be black. Correct. There's not Chet. This is Chetonger. Bro. That's crazy. What?

That's not right. They move so differently. When you think about him at Gonzart, early Palkasol was also a little more mobile before he got like a big post guy with Kobe. Yeah. And Gonzaga, Chet wasn't so limited. He can move a little bit.

Yeah, but if we're putting all these. It's a modern version, it's Gen Z version. So, you know, you imagine a little more shooting-oriented. Like, I kind of see what they're cooking. Yeah, it was like blurry vision. Yeah. Like, hit me in the head with a back. Yeah, I feel like you have to put more qualifiers on here.

Yeah, because they both were putting the ball on the ground a lot whenever they were prospects. They were both bigs that could take you out the dribble. It's just in 2000s you're going to be huge. And the 2020s you're going to be skinny. Yeah. This one could have been better. Okay. Miss?

Big miss. Well, there's been several misses. Next one. Last one. Not Nicole Yokic. What's that mean? It's not Nicole Yokic. Opposant every single way possible.

He's not Nicole Yokish. Good Henderson? Also not Nicole Yokic. So, actually, you're correct. Shangu? Not Shangu. This is not Nicole Yokich. We're going to go.

Come on, man. It's not Nicole Yokic. Camboozer. This is not Camboozer. It's not Nicole Yokich. Nicole Yokich. Neathe. myself it is not

Nicole Yolkich it's bone to you put a cop and said not Nicoliochi it literally could be

everybody else in the league but not Nicole think about the complete opposite just think about

not Nicole Yoki honestly Rudy Gaubert no it's not Nicole Yokitch all right this player is

Nikola Yovitch Nicole Yovitch Nik I Yeah, man You think you're funny for that too I didn't make this up You gotta investigate the ringer

This is the ringer This the ringer's bag, not mine I'm just facilitating the joke For reaching a wider audience You snuck in the Rondo with Super Soldier Serum Yeah, to show a take I was wrong about Come on, man

Salute Not a fan Sorry the ringer Mo's not approved and that's your cross of bear if you don't get the mojo stamp you're fucked you're fucking

find a new job I don't know we go to Peru or something next thing we're going to do all we've been talking about for the last week is the Knicks one of the biggest highlights

in Nix conversations is that Jalen Brunson has the crown as the most clutch player in the NBA undoubtedly what we're going to do today is we have about 20 stars

We're going to put them into a tier list Based on how clutch they are When the ball comes down to the end of the game They have balls in their hands Do you trust them? Okay S through F We got up first B, souls

All right, let's start with LeBron James At his old advanced age How clutch is LeBron Being honest What's been rough Don't see it keep it moving It's been rough man

I ain't seen a clutch shot in a minute It's tough He gets tired in these games I know It's probably lower That's what have been CDB. Salute. Salute.

Salute. All right. Next. Friend of the show. Palo Ban Carroll. Oh, my God. Stop saying that. He doesn't know us.

D or F. All right. Last shot, who trusts more of the broader, Pallow? I trust Brian. More faith always. And honestly, listen, I'll let it right. We put Brian and C.

You probably should be B. B? I think B. You always going to feel good about it. Even in the rocket, It's like you still had moments at the end where he's still being in close. Not really.

The Rocks just sucks, man. I can't lie. He's got to be C. Put him back down to C. I love it. I'm experiencing muscle spasms right now my right shoulder or my left shoulder. Are you really?

Yeah. It's like moving weirdly. He moving erratically? I don't know. It's weird. Oh. That is doing it for the big. I thought he would say he can't be contained

because he's sad to see LeBron or something. Nah, no, no. He's like, nah. I'm being with a serious, I'm actually a serious injury right now. Let's continue. All right, next. Luca Donchidge.

Gotta be Estuary. A or S. Like, how's what do you ever being with Esther? Are we going to say you had to have been like mega clutch this season or something to like give it an exclusive crown? Nah. Because if we're doing for who do we know what it would be,

he's clearly yesterday. Yeah, for sure. I don't, I can't think of like five other players who you want with the ball in her hands league game other than Luke. We'll see. But yeah.

Five more players. Wait, he's easily top five. If we can, if we put the, once we're done, if we're crazy. We're looking at it. We'll see. He's top five ever. How about that? All right.

You know what? Respect. Like, you're standing on it? What are you talking about? Just feeding his delusion. I'm kidding. Well, what are you guys see all time in like clutch ball handlers for last shot? I don't even care if it's right.

But like, he's just wanted to stand on it. Is he a top 20 most clutching ball handler all time? Probably. Top 20? Maybe. You could say so. Probably. He's upper tier.

Whatever. whatever that means in the history of the NBA, as far as ball handlers, you want making a decision, whether I be passing the ball, shooting the ball, driving the full package, and the history of not folding under that pressure,

he's probably top 15 to 20. You got it. You got it. We can live with that. Okay. All right, next. Chat. F.

What the fuck? He'll trip over his own feet. F. It's so unfair. Like, we have all these, like, decent ball handlers. You got Paulo who's decent And then they're just

Six seconds left Chet top of the key Screen coming for him What does he do? Ball game For the other team Yeah It's over

He sent that shit to the stands Man It's over On accident Honestly even with six seconds left The shot's not getting off You're right It's too slow

That slow jumper He's not getting a shot on Yeah And pickpocketed You got late release Crazy Damn every time Every time

Straight right You'll discuss the jump shot Put it on very slow He's all alone in the perimeter. Contested heavily. All right next. Janice. Let's go B.

He's a clutch player in ways other than like taking the last shot though. He had one clutch fade away. Game winner actually. A while ago. One of the most famous clutch blocks do. Like he's very,

he has a lot of tenacity at the end of games on defense too. I feel like you can rely on him to make a big play even if it's not him taking the final shot. Yeah. What ruins this is just like When it comes to talking about Clutch, people think about closing games.

And when they think about Yon's, you immediately attach, like, Chris Middleton. Because he was taking those shots. So it's like, hell yeah. Come on. John was. Shut. I just said, he was. Chris Milton might take that shot.

Yonis is to grab that rebound. Yeah. What's more value? The process of clutch. Grabbing the rebound or set up the shot or taking the shot? What's more value? Taking the shot and making the shot. I'll say, you're not putting the ball in his hands to end the game.

Yeah. But if he did, though, he can still like... Like, sometimes, because he can still get downhill. Exactly. I want to go A, kind of. I don't think he folds under pressure. He does have the 50-point close-out game, which is clutch as fuck. Granted, half a decade ago.

I think A could be fair. Half a decade ago is... Do I believe in, like, having whole clutch games? Yes. Yes. I think that is one of the most clutch games of all time. That's what I'm saying, because I think game six against Phoenix, that's a clutch game. Exactly.

Yeah, so we're talking about the 50-point close-out game is... We were in mass whenever he did that. Okay. Like that was a long time ago. That was a long time ago. Yeah, it was a long time ago. Bera. Based off that fadeaway against some Pacers that he made, I'm going.

This is a dangerous president. Because if we put Deera Fox on here, that's the clutch player of the year. And that happened two years ago. Yeah, but DeNor Fox isn't moving the same. Yonis is still Yonis. You show me some back work? Yeah, exactly. This is his fade away against the Pacers.

And look at it. This is last year? Come here. Yeah. Last year? All right, you can be eight year. Gamed. All right, he can be eight here.

All right. All right. Okay, y'all. A tier. All right, next. Kate Cunningham. What do you do with Kate? Ooh, man.

Kate is incredibly reliable. He's C. He hasn't been crazy clutch yet. In fact, in the Knicks last year, playoff series was very unclutch. Granted was the first time in the playoffs. Ah, too bad. This year.

He wasn't crazy in the fourth. We could put him in the season. He's moving different to summer. I do think it's, I think like even even Yannison for all the things that you guys said, he still has more of a resume of being clutch over and over and over again than K. So yeah, I think middle of the tier pack. You don't think B's fair? No.

No, because like even when he needed to show up in that game seven against the Cavs, too, just didn't happen. Terrible shooting performance. He shot five of 16. Put up 13 points as well. Oof. Yeah. We can put him in.

I guess Max Drew. Yeah, we'll go see. Yeah. Does it feel right though? They see him in LeBron nice to each other? I think. No, I was trying to move Bronno. Okay.

But I was like, yeah, drop Bronon. Okay, sure. I mean, it's fine. I'm more, man, like, does KDBB because he's better, but no. You don't feel like the clutch factor is part of why he's better. That's fair. No. All right.

It's not him right now. Lamello ball. F. Hey, man, I remember the playing. I remember seeing him and thinking, I hope this summer. He gets in the lab and bench press. is the whole time because he is getting pressed into a Bolivian by Jalen Suggs. That wasn't very clutch of him.

Okay. Yeah, you would think he's like a clutch player based off of like his shot diet and how he can just like be anywhere at all times on the court. But he's not. That's a funny sentence. You would think he's clutch because he does a lot of crazy shit. Yeah. He does the unthinkable.

It's like, holy fuck, man. I didn't even think that I didn't even know that existed. The unthinkable. Why did you do? Yeah. Oh, it went in. But I don't know about Lamello. He's probably D though.

I don't, F is. He's not. F is too much. Yeah. You can put him in D. Sure. You know what? He has a game winner.

Yeah. So okay. But outside of that, all the other biggest moments, he's, he's not playing well. Yeah. All right. Arguably best player in the league. Victor Rambiama. He was not clutch in the finals.

In fact, they lost many games because he was literally the opposite of clutch and single-handedly sold big moments of missing two three throws. He's drilling off his foot. He's at like D right now. No, no, no, not D because he did hit that one deep three against O KC and the West Conference Final. Final. So I don't think it'd be D because he's outside of the finals, he had plenty of clutch moments.

Yeah, the finals didn't go well for him. But over and plus he's making clutch defensive plays, which does matter. I think he's C or B. You could debate me. It is not B. It is not B. I'm fine with C person. No, this is. This is like when we talk about the debates when you hold it against someone that made

to the finals and lost rather than losing the first round is better. That's the exactly we're doing here. He was clutched before the finals. Or

counterpoint he had a moment and then we saw who he truly was. All right, man. He had game after game after game where he was not clucked. He's not B.

He's not B right now. I think that's insane. Okay. We can go see at the highest. Insane? He got to the finals. You don't get to the finals about being clutch.

What do you mean? in that first game outside of outside of game one for the rest of the for the rest of the series he had a very unclutched two weeks I agree I don't think before that we were talking about fourth quarter choker Wemby

the Knicks just embarrassed him yes and then you saw more data and then you see oh yeah so you think next year he's gonna be a fourth quarter choker he has to prove that he's not at this point okay I guess he's seat here fuck it all right next

Anthony Edwards B He wasn't clutching his last Playoff series He's got to prove it at the moment See This is the issue Since we only care about last week

See here we go Man Not okay A or B They're gonna try to prop him up again All right Wemby I think he's B For sure

Can't go A just yet He's had very cliff moments In the playoffs in recent years It's tough because he was injured just now Maybe you're right Maybe he doesn't He also had clutch defensive moments Where he'd like

Fucking slap the ground Pull the shorts up And try to lock up in the fourth quarter Yeah. Is he clutched then the one B? Honestly, probably there's a lot of people above that

so above that line. I think we can go B. Okay. I feel like he should be next to the honest. Really? A? He also has his bad moments where the idea of how clutch he was

like shades us and we kind of like assume he's always that. And he has plenty of low moments so maybe you want to say he's not consistent enough. He has a lot of highs when the games matter in the playoffs. But even like the, some of like the biggest clutch moments

that people think of him, like even like game seven in Denver. He didn't shoot particularly well. He did a lot of other things, but that's why I think it is kind of a mixed bag with his clutchness. So that's what I would be. Yeah, I think B's.

That's fair. James Hardin. F. Yeah, easiest F ever. You might have to move Chet up to D. Are you sure we don't want Chet to be alone? We'd rather have James Hardin be alone? I think James Hardin,

I think him having all the shots on goal and having every single attempt that he could possibly have in this lifetime to B clutch. And to fail consistently over and over and over again, I think that's okay having to matter. There might not be a bigger sample size of anybody doing anything poorly than James Harder being clutch.

If you did something that bad for a lot of years, they'd fire you for the job. You wouldn't have the opportunity anymore. You know? He'd got to get 40 million. He's going to get 40 more opportunities too. There literally might not be a more proven opportunity to see someone's true colors than James Harden in the clutch.

Yeah, man. If I messed up, if I messed up like a big deal at work and now I got arrested two weeks later, I'm fired this. Like it's just over And like if they put you on TV If you got an ESPN spot Every time we went up there

And you started stuttering And doing terrible And couldn't get your words out You wouldn't get 40 more opportunities We would just say you're not ready For the moments Yeah Yeah go back down to ESPN too

But ESPN2 ESPN2 Go on ESPN TikTok live Yeah Get the reps All right next Jason Tatum

Here's the thing Jason Tatum is not going to sell in the clutch but he's also not going to be some like crazy all-time mega bucket guy. He's going to be cool. Play past Jaylen Brown. He'll do his job. Sounds like, see?

Pasta Jalen Brown. He'll set his screen, grab his rebound, do exactly what you want to do. He got some underrated. He'll show up during club's games too, though. Hit that spinning layup? Yeah. He had a big game seven. He has moments for sure.

Yeah. I think he had like a side step three for the win this last playoffs. I don't know. 46 against the bucks in game six. I think by the simple nature if he's never going to fuck up in the clutch. B, it's probably

warranted. Hell yeah. That's a very safe clutch player. Okay. I'll take that. I want to push wouldn't be up so bad.

He should clearly be B. But it's fine. Why? Today it's fine. I'm looking at his like clutch numbers right now. He's clearly B. In the last five minutes

of the game. That's why. Yeah. In the last five minutes of the game, he's shooting like throughout the entirety of the playoffs.

Not only the final. It's seen 50% from the field. 52. He's clearly B. We're just going to allow him to hate because the next round the championship We got to let him get a shit off.

The finals are the finals. But come on, man. If it was one game, then maybe. But even like for the rest of the playoffs, you probably have, what, five or six clutch games, whatever. We have literally every single game in the finals was like, it's five games. So we're probably going even sample size to even sample size

in terms of just games played. And, well, I'm sorry, can, what? All the games in the finals, but only the clutch games in the regular playoff series. Not all the games in the regular series. Yes, because you're only the ones where clutch moments happened. We're talking about clutch games, yes. Okay.

Because like if you're up by 20, that's not a Clutch. Yeah, yeah. That's not a Clutch game. I don't remember. We're getting bogged down, but okay. How many Clutch games do you play in the playoffs? Uh, it depends by the minutes. It has this weird filter, but between the last five minutes.

You're on data baller? No, I'm on NBA.com. Yeah, they have it too. Yeah. I felt like you didn't have much until the OKC series. Yeah, but the OkC series was. Yeah. That, that Clutch series was.

Clutch jumper is why they won the series in the end. Yeah. And defense every time late game, he was extremely clutch defensively. You can run him. We're arguing between B and C. This is so pointless. Anyways, yeah. Tyrese Halliburton.

I mean, coming off. Yeah. Coming off the run that he came off of. You still got them battle scores? Yeah. Nightmares? Not nightmares anymore. Because now I know it was just a step to the process.

But you drew Jalen. Yeah, but like you look down. The scar's still there. But it's not like. And the body remembers. Yeah. It's never going to be the same. Where do you feel it?

I don't know, but like if I went to a yoga class I started stretching, I would release the trauma You start crying? Yeah. Yeah. Crazy not. I guess it's got to be eights here, honestly. I guess it's got to be eight.

Like four game winners, that one. Why not? Okay. Next. Kauai Leonard. I've had that many Kluswell-in's moments as a late.

Yep. Not since the Obama administration. Been quiet. But you can put him seed Silver to LeBron just based off reputation. You feel good with the ball on his hands.

And also, you know, he is going to show during big games too. Is he? Does he? Yeah. Yeah. He was a playing game.

And like shit the bit. They lost the playing game. They had game seven against the Nuggets didn't show up didn't show up and that was like

healthy Kaua and it was like you know we were doing all the revision of the history I think C's fine yeah

I think C's fine you put him C yeah okay all right let's move on I guess he's fine sure

all right next Jalen Brown I can't see right he's had a lot of bad moments in late games and big games but it's nice because he doesn't

have a lot of responsibility so we can look past it but I think think it probably does there probably is more bad moments than you think so i think c's are yeah or d honestly and man you just blew a three won't leave ah d tears come on yeah but it should tate him be two tiers above him no that doesn't feel right at all two tears jop tammes no oh my god damn it no hey remember we're being stingy today why is b tier so exclusive it's b this is not a bell curve.

I hate you two. We're this far aske-Bating. Nicole Yokic. Uh, A, for sure. Not a clutch year. Not a clutch playoffs here is he just played. But he is still Nicola Yokic. Yeah.

It's still A-tier. If Yonnes can get a pass for his injuries, Yokish can get a pass for shit in the bed this year. He has so many cluzzlement still minus this year. You just put down Tatum and Bramford voted through a lead. Yeah, that's because we hate this Celtics. Oh, my God. And also, are you insinuating that before the 3-1 lead that we'll be.

we can compare Jalen Brown and Yokic? Like the previous experience is much different. Listen, listen, let me make this clear. I don't care about the Jalen Brown part. I care about the Tatum part. We don't need to move Tateen down. I don't know why we did that. All right, thank God.

Thank God. I don't think we need to. Ah, geez. You can breathe. He's asleep well tonight. All right, next. Jalen Dern. F.

He shouldn't be on this tier list right now. You even mention the word clutch around him. He's going to have an allergic reaction. I'm not putting the ball on his hands at all. first through fourth quarter. Hey buddy, catch these lobs. Grab these boards.

Maybe. Maybe. Can you do that? Get your own board to put it back up. I don't think you do that. I don't think you do anything last minute or with like urgency for real at all. Urgency.

He's right. Yeah, he's on the store last minute. Hey, this is the most hatred field tierless who had in a minute. Now it was looking like a bell curve. I like this. Next.

You love a good bell curve. Shea. S. S for sure. Yes. 100%. I mean, the Spurs series was rough, obviously. But I mean, like, no J-dub, no A.J. Mitchell.

We didn't get one being new excuses. Listen, don't do that. But also, don't do that. But again, even with, it's different one because it was consistent every single game for five years. And Shay wasn't losing them games in the fourth quarter specifically. Okay, so it is different. But I just mean as far as he wasn't clutch in his last series.

The last game was good. too little too late. Yeah. And that's a clutch game. He did his job. The team didn't help him. And if Shea was throwing the ball off of people's backs and missing fritos. It's different.

It's not the blight to the same level. I know what you mean. I still think he says. He has so many moments. Even like the game that potentially sealed him MVP against the Denver Nuggets earlier in the regular season, he had a damn near a game winner. I feel like he might be closer to Yokic and Janus and he is to the top guys above. And just clutch factor.

Like he's better than them. I think. I don't know. I don't know either. stuff. Shea's clutch is a little bit different because like you're not, I don't feel like we've gotten the game winners, but the like clutch games and like walking in and like you're down to one, Shay's going to step up and have performances like that where for the full game,

like he's not holding under pressure in that way. Okay, that's a good example. That's a good explanation. Not game winners, but clutch games. He does as well as anybody. He's as consistent as anybody of showing up when it matters. Yeah. Okay.

And Yokic is too, but he also just had a shitter. So he's dinged one tier for that. Okay Last, definitely not least Jalen Brunson Put that at the top of Esteer A head of Luka

Head of Tyree Head of Sheet please All he cares about the order For Jaylon Brunson He's the clutches Player in the league right now You know what Fuck that

He's the clutches human To ever exist Say that Take him off this list Actually He don't belong Yeah he does Transcane Clutchness

He's beyond The guy who made the call To stop the Cuban Missile Crisis From escalating Less Clutch than Jalen Brunson Mm-hmm.

Could have learned a thing or two. He could have been stopped it. Yep. He could have hit that in the butt before it began. Got to think ahead, man. Brunson would have seen that shit coming. That is crazy, though. I need Tyrese back immediately, bro.

Brunson went to let Castro get that far. He would intervene. Game winner. Hell yeah. We got go-ahead buckets in game one and two, game three, all right, whatever. Game four leads the comeback. I don't think Brunson would have let World War I happen.

45 in a closeout game He's already reminiscing over two weeks ago Or a week ago even I can't believe it I'd be two Two weeks It's amazing It's instant history

I'm not reminiscing I'm basking Yeah That's true Still in it I'm bathing in it Still in that moment Yeah

There you go I'm drowning He's the guy man He's the freaking best player in the world I can't believe this Got it Whatever Is there anything we should tweak

Does it all look good Um I personally would want to put wimby up smith higher but i feel good about it when we can't even be in tatum talks no we're not putting him in talks of the best players in the world keep his dumb ass down i just hate wendy and d man i'm not we're not moving them up why are we letting it be should night right now is this hatred purely just from the nick series because dude yes 100% he never said wendy won't remember how you were talking about what be

bro before the next series he was glazing here's why here's why though it's a it's a it's a a combination of, I do, I think that, I think that it was kind of wild for the, for the, for all of the non-suspensions and non-fines. I think that was kind of crazy for, for the league. So they, that's more, that's more league driven than specifically Wembe driven. But and then throughout the series, the punching or really shoving of Brunson, that really, that, that, that, that said a lot of things off. Okay. But now, it's specifically in this conversation where I don't think that I'm wrong. you have you have game two the issue you have game one the the collapse in game three you you went ahead and run you blew and spearheaded a 20 a a a 29 point comeback your team blew that

and then in game five you also you also lost and you're missing free throws all of all you know across the series i think in every single game you can look at at wembe and you can look at the fact that this team was up by double digits in the fourth quarter of like all the these games. They were up by 8 to 10 points and he's at the at the he's the head of the sake of this thing that's that's failing every single time. Your reason is clearly not wrong like he clearly had a extremely unclutch series so you're certainly not wrong in any way. It's just are you being is there any grace been given? Fuck no. And you know you know you don't have to. No no no because we were saying he was the best player. No I get it. I'm saying you don't have to give grace. After game one of

the conference finals. I agree. I'm not you I'm saying you were very it's very fair. It's very far. You don't have to get grace in this moment. It's 2011 brought all over again. You can have the summer to shit on him because you won't have it for long. So you might as well destroy him this summer. We say that. Game's the game. He got to prove it. Sure. Games game. I get it. That's being a star. You get slanted in the worst moments. I will say what does make it worse is he went up after a post game interview. He was like, yeah, like we're winning every single game after this. That does make it worse. See, it does. This is a different combo. We like it when people stand tent toes. They stand two tent toes. We're like, stop it. Get on

your knees. Like, nobody's ever happy with the wit a star says after a loss. There's no pleasing everybody. Just created a bigger target on his back. Yeah, that part is true. Yeah, which is fine. But like, after every, after all of the, of the games and all the like, you know, we're, you know, we're dictating how these games are coming out.

We know we're the better team. We've dominated this, this series. Did you? Did you really dominate? You know, it's funny? Did you actually do that? You know what's funny? To prove your point, they did until Clutchtime game.

Until Clutchtime came. And then they didn't. But it's not, but it's not even like, they dominated first quarters. But like, no, they're up in every fourth quarter and blew it. Like, this is proving your point. You know what I mean? We're agreeing. We're agreeing that they did dictate the games every time until the moments that mattered.

So that's the best example of not being clutch. So I get it. It's three quarters of just failing every single game. I saw a stat. If they games were all 46 minutes long, they would have won three, they would have won four one. Oh, dang. So until close time. Until clutch time.

That's a cool stat. Until clutch time. So see. fair. This guy's a bunn's, man. All right. Isn't that crazy, though? Yeah.

46 minute games. They would have a gentleman swept them. But they're so bad in the clutch. I love how he can just say it's a cool stat now. It is literally. It is a cool stat. No, it's crazy. When was dying for Deer and Fox's sins too right now?

No, it's both of them. Disgusting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Disgusting. Yeah, exactly. But like, you're really dying for his sins. Like, you could have had some. If Deer and Fox had made a couple shots, we would have, like, forgotten.

You had some bad moments because you would have some good moments to try to get back. Nope. No, we'll march for error. You better be amazing in the fourth quarter. Man. No help's coming. Don't throw the back off. Don't throw the ball off the castle. You keep going.

We're not disagree. Don't miss a jumper. This is not cope. We get it. Don't miss a jumper to win the game. We get it. We do not disagree. Oh, my gosh.

I'm telling you, man. He's fucking irate. It's so different levels of this, man. He's going to clutch the players of all time. You don't get it. You put him ass. We do get it. We actually do get it.

You don't get it. At best, my best, maybe it's two tears below Brunson. That's what we argued for. He said, no,

four. You don't even want to be on a list. No. We just got to let him do this today. Again, EDM therapy. No, man. The rage is coming out to be fast at.

For no reason. First of it was Tiago. That is, Wempe, everybody's getting emotion and praise today. Passion is filling the room. Now listen, Tiago's a little bit different. A little bit different. Tiago's a little bit different.

Like we're treating Tiago like he's like Kendrick Perkins. He actually like made his two suck. He said gas cooking him. That's not insane. Mind you, cat cook Yacquipurto will get him 60. Yacupro was good that. He was top 10 center in league to you. Maybe I think that's Tiago.

But I think cats a monster Giacos way better than Yaka No, wait, now you guys are insane Peak for peak Oh no Yacob is so much better These off-season talks I'm doing too much

We're in day one of the off season Yacob makes $30 million a year That's inflation Man never do too much Come on Yaacob is Yeah for a second But

I don't lose my voice Put Yaakov in 03. He's making five. Like in a 30. He's better because he's breaded. All right. My stomach hurts. Man, what sucks is we're not done with this tone yet.

Okay. It's only going to continue. All right. Next thing we're going to do, we are going to rank the last 10 NBA finals MVP's. Okay. We're going to see them all on the screen. Start from 2017 on to 2026. ranked them 1-2-10 based on how good we are, how impressive the run was,

how impressive the final's performance specifically was, all this combined to rank the last 10. First off, 2017 Kevin Durantz. He averaged like 35 on high efficiency against LeBron. Don't care. Put that towards the bottom. Shouldn't have been your finals of VP. That is Stephs.

It can't be. Nah. It can be 10. Not that year. Not that year. He averaged 35 a year. 18 was a debatable one. That one, he was owed.

He deserved that one. Ode. That was ODKD run out of time. He had 35 points on high efficiency and shot that shit on the bronze eye twice. Yeah, they would double team and Steph on the week. He could run them wide open. So be it. Someone had to make the buckets and it was him.

But yeah, I do think, I do think like it or not. I think it's going to be on the low end, obviously, because the level of difficulty isn't anywhere near as high. Some of the other guys who had a backpack. I do think even if we apply that, we don't give him enough for just how insane he was. Even with the caveat that, like, you know, there was some help there. 35 on elite efficiency is fucking crazy. Like, he was a God.

There's a reason they were unbeatable with him and not without him. Yeah. Nah, it is crazy. I mean, he had to be a pod. What do you mean? It's ridiculous. I don't even know what's happening. They got sweat.

Anyways, I think eight. Yeah. I don't know. That's crazy. I don't even know what that was funny. I just lost it. 2018 and Kevin Durant. A step below.

We can put that in nine. Fair. Just because the only reason why this one was was like a little bit Closed the worst team too. Yeah, he faced the worst team. If Steph didn't have legitimately like the worst game of his career in game three. Three. Then then then Steph is probably finals MVP but he had that game. So you know, Katie gets it respect.

But it is a little bit 17 he was like much much better. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 17 for both of these we're going to apply the caveat of it was like quote, quote easy. 17, it was impressive

even with that. 18, it was cool. Okay. 2019, Kauai Leonard. Feels like five, anywhere between four and six, you can convince me. Five, my, six, six or five is perfect to me. I go six. Really?

Of the last ten years, I feel like because there's, there's been, like, like better, better performances. We do have to account for the fact of war he's got injured. So I'll say six because of that. Instead of five. Okay. mostly he didn't have

two of the three best players in the other team getting injured halfway through the series so that's take away from Kauai still be number six but that does matter

This is finals MVP not the postseason MVP from that year so okay Well we can We can care about that too If that's like a tiebreaker If it's that

Then I'll put him I'll put him in top five The run does matter to me I think Yeah I still think He had so many clutch shots And I mean obviously

He had the shot But it extends like Beyond that From the first series And second series No he made the magic See God on the court That's a first round series.

He's fine. He made the Sixers see God on the court. That was in Game 7. He ever took 32 for the series? He was ridiculous. I think six. They saw somebody. Maybe it wasn't God.

They saw someone. Yeah, I think six is okay. They saw someone with some force. They saw some spirit in the air. Pick your choice. 2020, LeBron James. Five. That's tough.

Or do we have to jump because? Not fine. Because AD was crazy. Crazy. Crazy. as well. I saw Loki think it should have been the team.

So was LeBron. They were both insane. Yeah, they were insane. And LeBron was clutch. There was like no doubt in these series because they were so clutched down in the fourth quarters

being able to walk teams down and make the right decisions with point guard LeBron. The only thing is they didn't have like a great opponent in the finals of that matters. Yeah. But also Jimmy in the bubble

was going nuclear. So like... Yeah, like we say that they took them a six. Yeah. And like it could have went to seven game six, you know, it got away from Miami

towards the end, but that game was somewhat close. Yeah. seven though just because of how dominant 80 was throughout that that entire run and throughout the playoffs seven seven i'm gonna want to go five i think or five or four because also just like aside from the context this is one the greatest players of all time playing his best basketball of all time this singular player in his abilities were some of the best we've ever seen he averaged 30 12 and nine jesus and he was defending his ass off for the whole playoffs and the whole season while shooting

59% from the field and 41 from three he put him four he put him four I think he's top four, yeah. He's a crazy year. We'll go four. But he can't be top three because the carry job wasn't quite as crazy, but this is an amazing year.

This is ridiculous. That's the, he is not that different from 2018 LeBron in 2020. He didn't really get slower at all. We only talk about 2018 is the peak brawn. 2020 is just as good.

Why do we do that? Why do we act in early Lakers LeBron wasn't the same guy? He didn't lose a step at all until Solomon Hill came. He had a groin injury when you first got there. Yeah.

True. Maybe that's why we had that year of him missing that kind of was in our head. But he came back to fucking fine. Yeah, but then around then, Yonis started to go crazy to, and that's when the conversation really exploded. That's what it is.

It's because he didn't have the best in the world belt, so we think about him differently in 2018, even though he was the same. Yeah. Okay. That's a good explanation. I remember around like 2019. Was it 2019 or 2020? Remember like that late night bucks versus Lakers game or whatever, and then the Bucs ended

winning. Yonis was like, that might be 2019, because 2020, there's one right before the COVID happened where they beat the Bucks. Yeah. They beat the bucks in the clippers back to back. And we were like, hey, LeBron, if you push. Yeah. He really might, it really might have happened if the COVID shutdown didn't happen.

Man, that weekend was cinema, man. Can you imagine if you'd want MVP that year? Man, pull LeBron three. Not really. Man, y'all, that weekend was cinema. I know. It was so good. The buildup between AD versus Yonnes.

That's the one good basketball year I've had in my fucking life. Yeah. I think that's top three. The final performance is up there. Yeah, 20. Hold on. There is a mix-up. Yeah, 22 is stuff.

22 is supposed to be Steph. Oh, 21 is John. Wrong years. This is wrong years. Okay, just drag it up. Either way. We can do Yonis first. Yep.

Yonis is, he's top two. 20-21 Janus. 50 point in a close-out game is fucking crazy. He's top two. Clush blob and clutch block in one game. Showing why you're the two-way superstar. Coming back down to, yeah.

He might be one. Off a hyper-extended knee. I'm not going to why. This is one. in terms of finals performance carry job how much you need from your team the fact you contribute elite basketball on both ends this might be one it's up there I think it's one

I think it's one I'll be fine okay when this happened I felt like I was watching the crowning of a legend in real time like I just watched your moment where you went down in history none of these other ones feel quite like that yeah actually a couple of them do but not quite to the same level yeah yeah this next one's gonna

2022 Steph Curry okay also similar where I felt like a crowning achievement crowning moments yeah pointing at his finger It's like, oh, Steph finally got his. Was the playoff run quite as impressive, though, as the finals was? I can't remember the numbers. I mean, they dominated the Grizzlies. Yeah, they went Nuggets, Grizzlies, Mavs in the three rounds.

I would still say three because they were underdogs in that series going into. Was he better than Bron? I don't think so. I don't think that version of, I don't think it's a better player than 2020 Bron. I don't think he was as dominant in 2020 Bron. He might have beat the better team in the finals, but it's close. Yeah. their underdogs all the road scoring 43 in a game four yeah that's that that'd be the case

you know they weren't supposed to be there the 2020 lakers were they got a d they're supposed to be one of the best teams in league this championship came out of nowhere and it was fueled by a lot of things we can so here's the main thing was step hurry so we can the only reason why i would say we drop him below brown is just because there was a bad game game five in the series was bad where he had i think he didn't make a three and it was like the first time in his career that he didn't make a three in a playoff game. And so it was like, thanks, Seth. Like, you always got to have a game like this.

That would be the only reason why I'm, while I would put him behind Brown. It was because you just had that one blitz. Is this the only finals MVP on this list that's like by an underdog? No. No. It might be. Uh, no, one just happened.

But yeah, but I do think 20. Yeah. LeBron should be above Curry. We can put Curry at five. Okay. 2023. Nicole Yokicch. Put that seven, keep moving.

Seven. Yeah. I mean, I guess it's not more impressive than the other ones. I mean, the run wasn't, like, he obviously was great, but like the run overall wasn't overly impressive. The heat weren't going to beat them. That wasn't going to happen. Yeah, that was the one in the final series

where I felt like there was no chance they're going to lose. And it really didn't. But that was because of Yokish, though. Yolk was killing teams in that run. Yeah, he was that unstoppable. He was unstoppable. Maybe he should be above Kauai. That's sort of thing.

I think we should flip them. Put Kauai down to seven and put Yokish at six? Yeah. Maybe that's fair. That's wrong with it Yeah, that's fair Because Yokic, it wasn't a crazy run But that's because he just made

He was inevitable Okay There we go 2024 Jalen Brown Put that at 10 Yeah There's no room from here at all I'm not mad

What is there to say Jaylon Brown's clearly the worst fondance of VP on here Yeah I should have been Jason Tate on my screen right now But here we are Don't remind me I'll remind you every chance I get because it still bothers me to this day. Either way, even if you was here, you're still getting 10.

Facts. Doesn't matter. You're right. You're right. You know what? I'm fine with Jill and Brown now. You don't want to see Taylor in the last place. 2025, Shea.

This is not more impressive than Braun. I think, yeah, we've got to move Braun up. I don't know if this is more impressive than Curry. When you think of the underdog of it all. Move step up. Yep. And I think that the fact that the Thunder were these like this dominant favorite going into the series, got pushed to seven.

You were down to one in the series as well. You had to come back. Down to one in a couple series. Yeah. So they did their job. It's still an impressive run. He was very good. I think you can put him right above Yokic.

The Patriots team they played is better than the heat team. Five is okay to me. Yeah. Okay. 2026, Jalen Brunson. This is an interesting one. Kat was the more impactful player for a lot of the run. He did shoot tour dates the beginning of the finals,

but had the most clutch game ever to close the finals and kind of erased all the terrible shooting performances and a couple of those terrible shooting performances he was still clutch at the end so it's it's not higher than Braun I don't think it's higher than Curry

Oh what's that I don't know It could be higher than Curry I just considering how dominant that run was How dominant that game was He didn't have nearly as much to do with it As Curry did with his team

It was a more well-rounded team approach You know For what game For the whole series For the whole run He wasn't as important As Curry was his team And to me

It's between him and Shea Who's higher I mean, it's hard to do that when you're beating people by 30. Sure, sure. And that's point. Like, he had a lot of help, which is not taking away from him. Yeah, that team all around was way better than 21 or 22 words. It's a lot lower.

He's not better than Yokic. Can he put him next to Kauai? He's above Kauai. I don't know what that's a given. You can give him above Kauai. That team was dominant. It's a team thing. And shout out again, shout out runs in the last game, one of the most clutch games I've ever seen.

We don't got to pretend the whole run was that. We can give him his props without going that for it. So you want to bump everyone. going up and then squeeze him in at seven. I think so. What do you guys? This is top five. This is,

this is, it's a top five. Okay, so clearly LeBron and Curry are going to two and three. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. So put LeBron two, Curry three.

Okay. Now. Put Brunson ahead of Shea. I don't. Why? Why? I think performance wise, I agree with Isaac.

Like, there are players on this list that are lower than Jalen Brunson, but I am holding a lot of stock on getting the Knicks of this championship. specifically. And I don't know if that's fair or not. I don't think so for this list. I mean,

I mean, the whole team scored, especially in the closeout game, the whole team, which is also another like notch in Janus's thing, which is like you have 50 in the closeout. You do. Whole team scores 94 points

in the closeout game. You have 45 of them. The closeout game is carrying him. If it wasn't for a closeout game, he'd be 10. I think for... Or 9, 9. 9, sorry.

Not Jailen Brown talks. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. 10. If it wasn't for a closeout game, he'd be 9, undeatably. And the first like, he might still be. The first game and a half was rough.

He turned up in the second half of game two. Correct. And started going. And then even in game three, found his, he got better and better as the series went on. And for all the reasons that you said, even whenever he was shooting poorly,

I'm still, I'm still super clutch. And I'm still, I'm the one that was able to, to recover the stolen ball, be at the free throw line, put the team up, up one,

do all those things. I think it's above shit. I guess, but It's tough, man It's tough with the recency thing In my head I can't decide I can't decide

That's fine I will We can put it about four We can put him above shit It's very easy To put him above Yokish too Feels like crazy glazed to me It does Yolkish was a machine

That whole run They just obliterated teams Yeah, it does Would it be fair to switch SGA and Yokic Put Brunson at 4? No Because Bruns has nothing to do

With that conversation I'm not high on that G8 run Bro, if if Cat wasn't like As good as he was During the first two games You guys lose those

First two games for sure Now Cat has two points And fouled out in game six I know But I'm talking about the first two games Which again we're putting that in there If it wasn't for game six

It would just be a very different combo It would just be nine and it's over Yeah So we agree that that game six moves us Game 5-me? No I mean nine If he didn't have the craziest clutch game in a game to close it out.

If it was a regular game and they went to like seven or whatever and they just won, like Brunson wouldn't be anywhere close to these other guys because he has so much more help, you know? Yeah. Above him. I keep saying this. Besides Jaylon Brown. He'd be above Jaylon Brown.

But he would be, I think he'd be in below KD. He's fucking Katie. Like the lows that he had during the first two games specifically throughout the first quarter, the first like first quarter, second quarter, third quarter. Like it's bad. Like none of these guys. She had multiple bad games. He did.

I don't know if they're quite as bad. That was bad, that was the gimmick, though. She had bad games and then bounced back. And he always bounced back. But he did have plenty of bad games. They were also, that's why they're close to each other, I think. I think it goes Shay, then you could do. I think Shay, Yolkis and Brunson.

The Yolkish thing, I'm struggling with the most. Why should I say that Brunson is above Nicola Yokish in 2023, the clear-cut best player in the world who just had a whole playoff run of just killing people? With no real downside, like ever, he just had no resistance to him mowing team. down. I think it is that more impressive ring factor. But it's just impressive they were the underdogs. They played a better team. Yeah. They were big underdogs.

Yeah, that's fair. That is the biggest difference for sure. Yeah. That's why I was struggling. And they got them out to pay in five like. But he again, but to make up for that, he had more help. He had a legit, like, well-rounded, dominant team in all facets. Everybody was cooking. Everybody else, especially So I don't want to make it sound like Yokch carried in 23.

The the clutch corn that he had, it was him and OG basically all series. And everybody Like Josh Hart was not scoring in the fourth quarter. McHill Bridges was not scoring. Kat wasn't doing it. It's him and OG are doing it.

But they were defending and it was a great team defense too. So like I'm not taking any somebody else didn't do enough convos for Jaylon Brunson. Everybody did their part. Like it was truly well-rounded. You know what we're closing off the championship highs. You can put Brunson for. Fuck it.

Be recency bias? Yeah. 45 and the close-out game is nuts. Let's that recent bias decide. That's what we do every year. Let's just keep doing it. For the summer, you get the praise. Yeah.

When we do this in two years, maybe we'll change it a little bit. and put it for now. That's test a combo for two years from now. It's fine. Fair enough. But that is it here, right? Those three are kind of looped together. Yeah, for sure.

You can go quiet there too. It's probably similar quality. The KD one is weird to me. Because we keep having these convos and when we're laying things out, 2017 KD is a fucking monster. Put KD in Bokua. But you see, that's the only thing

that we could talk about. Like him being a monster in those specific two years. After that, there's nothing else. And that would really like makes you question everything about you. Yeah, I know what you're saying It is the easiest one

So I guess we can still We were right It just feels a little strange When we do all this Different factors for everybody And then we're like Yeah, but you had curry Yeah, it's the easiest one

And then also looking at it on paper too Like this is outside of Yokic He went against the worst teams as well Well 2017 that team was amazing 18 the team was buns The 2017 Cavs were better Than the 16 Cavs They were incredible

In any just universe where Kevin Durant goes to the Celtics, whatever the fuck in 2017, we'd have LeBron on here for 2017. Yeah, the 17th of the 17th. The 17 calves are better than the 24 maps.

Oh, way better. Like, way better. Yeah. That's the year of Kyrie was at his best. 2016, he had the, he had the finals push, but he started the year injured wasn't quite dominant.

He was still inconsistent throughout the playoff. Yeah, 2017 is the year Kyrie average 25 and was like an all-MBA player. Right, but 25 turn into like 14 in the finals. Oh, was he terrible in 2017 finals? I don't remember. No, I'm talking about Kyrie in the

24 finals. Yeah, Kyrie was bad in the 24 finals. He was good in 17. I was talking about 17 finals. Okay, okay. Yeah, or 17 year is the year he was all NBA.

Okay. I guess this is right then. We're doing a lot of Brunsonson, but we got to do a lot. They're the rating champs. He got it, man. He got her for the summer. And that was our rankings

for the top 10 finals. I'll need you to tell me that either. E.D.M. Therapy. We got to get him some fucking help. Yes. any means possible these guys have issues he's running around

like fucking a dictator first he was bogged and he was shook night you're Kim Jong-un buddy oh my gosh next thing you guys are going to blind tier list these number three overall NBA draft fix all right

so here we go first off Reed Shepard five or at the bottom tier yeah four yeah two four easy the worse. No, not the worst. The worst.

Scoot Henderson. Again, four. One of the worst. What are they all bad? What are you going to do? They're all bad. They're all bad. That's your fucked up to your list.

Not mine. All right. Luca Donchich, changing it up a little bit. Oh yeah, we can put Luke at one. He could be one, but what if like Michael Jordan was there or something like that? This is just all time. I guess. Like, what's the parameters?

We could put them in one. I don't feel. Could be any. If Jordan's down, it would be sick. If Jordan's there, I would be sick. You want to put him to you two? But there's no other guy who was third who I'm like, yeah, unless you want to do Tatum.

That's like nasty. So you can put him one shirt. What my God do today, man. If it's MJ, I feel so bad, but I got it's Tatum insurance. Put him at one. Take him to talk to you. Okay. Yeah.

Joel Embed. What is that? Like three? Yeah, other MVP caliber player. I think he's top. If we're sitting in other MVPs? I think he's number two tier. He has an MVP.

Yeah. He doesn't. Second tier. Lucas is better. Lewis in the finals. Joel hasn't. Hasn't made a conference finals. Were you putting in?

Three? Two? Two. I think two for sure. So many Jensen has won this year, man. Okay, two. John Brusson made the conference finals. Okay.

Did you have Brunsons made the finals? The President won the final. You're fueling this guy. You're giving him the Coke addict and more cocaine. Bradley Beale. I think he's tier three. Made an All-Star. Yeah, he's better than Reed Shepherd.

We can't disrespect him too much. But you don't know how many stars are going to be here. You don't know how many Bums are going to be here. Bradley Bill is still a good player. He was a good player. Yeah. Whenever you think about like all-star level players, even like at his peak or prime, he's always like, yeah, he's the All-Star.

Give him a nod. Never like surefire. He averaged 30 in a season. Do you do it twice? I think so. He made it did it twice. I think he did it back-to-back years. He ever, like,

32. I know because one of those years he was on my on my fantasy team. Yeah, he averts 30 in 2020, 31 in 2021. Yeah, he was hooping. Yeah. Yeah, let's put him in tier three. promptly fell off. Who is that? I think it's OJ Mayo. OJ. Mayo.

Tier four. Yep. Who is that? It's hard to see. We say it's every episode. People don't know the pain we were in. Carmelo Anthony. That is tier two.

That is above. Bradley B. No, we could get a better player than Carmelo, though. But he's like, but he's also like right on that line where it's going to be, it's going to go either way. I feel good about putting him top of tier three. I'm expecting a Tateham or something like that. Yeah, Tatum clears Mello.

Yes. Hell yeah. Yeah. Let's rage bait the comments. Come on. All right. Tier three it is. He couldn't guard him.

Lamello ball. Tier four. You better than Bradbill? Question mark. What? Question mark. No, he's not better than it. Okay.

I'm just raising discourse. I don't, I don't think he's better than Bradbill. Okay, you can put him in tier four. But again, Bradbill was all NBA 13 in 2021. Yeah, okay. So it was like Brad had a moment. And then like you said, it did fall off very quickly.

But harsh. He was still there. He led the league in football attempts for two straight years. Does Mello have that stamina? Mellow can do that. Nope. All right, tier four it is. Okay.

Tier four. Jalen Brown, two three. I think. Hopefully like we shouldn't it we got Mello out here with Jalen

It's not bad That's a champion Let's a VP Let's put Jaylon Brown T2 Yeah You got the finals MVP

I just lie to you We spent every moment Since 2024 Discrediting his finals MVP I wish Mello had a finals of AP for me to discredit

That's fair You know what that's real to hell Tier 3 Yeah. All right. Last player. Oh.

Jalil Okifur, Tier 2. My bad, y'all. I swear to God, I thought Tadim was going to be here. Why? I just expected it. He felt it. He said we were due. You weren't kind of do, though.

I lied. Misled, y'all. My bad. You were kind of due. It's not your fault. If Tadem was there, this would have been perfect. yeah I guess so damn who should have

why are you operating on ifs it's a grown ass man what's wrong with this what do you mean I have awareness why you're a mad asking questions it's not alpha male like

to just see like no not at all why you're not based in reality embarrassing why don't you go change your reality never heard a foresight before embarrassing last thing we're going to do today

playoffs are over let's pick the point guard two center lineups of the best players in the NBA playoffs and then the worst. Okay. Starting, point guard for the best players. We're going Jalen Brunson.

Yeah, I mean, She can't have it. Didn't make the finals. Had some stinker games, but it's not his best run. I guess Brunson has to be the point guard. It's Bresden. Yeah, let's do it. Lucas had those one out.

Brunson, you got the crown this year. Couldn't make it to the dance, Luke? His leg was in pain. I do, I did for you. No, my bad, Luca. My back. Give him a break. Give him break.

I'll be back next year. Skinnier. Shee, I was waiting for you. You didn't make it. that'd have been real cool to see them face off it would have been fun if only

shooting guard if if who was the best shooting guard in the playoffs this year Donovan Mitchell did make the conference finals he did McHale Bridges didn't miss a shot

for like 10 oh no for like three rounds he was he was sure like 70% hell no he really was is it low key

Stefan Castle you know he didn't do good job in the finals like that he had some bad games some yeah I can't be aunt because he was on one leg

he was in one leg I don't want to give to Dee Mitch I mean, he was could still be in. No. If it was like 18 points, it can't be in.

No, no, it can't be in. Stefan Castle has a moment. We can put Kate at shooting guard, I guess we want to cheat a little bit

to recognize the best players. No, no cheating. Yeah. So it's either D Mitch or or Stefan Castle.

Okay, can't be Jalen Brown. No. Three one blow with three one lead. No, Luke can R. Put him at shooting guard.

In the first round. Put him at shooting guard. Luke Knard. Look at our Carried LeBron for two games. This goes to

Far Castle. There's a castle. Yeah. Small Ford. Is it OG? Yes. I was thinking OG at the 4. Because Kevin Durant got hurt.

LeBron won one playoff series. He did do a good job. If you want to put LeBron at power forward, I guess we can. But I think OG is more of a small forward. J. Jim McDaniels did a good job in the first round. Tatum was hurt so he can't be there. Can't be there.

Can't be Jailen Brown. It's OG. It's O. Yeah. As long as we have OG on the list, then we're one of the greatest shots in NBA history to tip in and make that comeback happen average average 20 on like 55 55 crazy it's just oh gee and we can't

that tip in is one of the greatest shots in NBA history in the greatest comeback in NBA finals history had a career high playoff career high game winner seven to nine for three yeah he was killing wow wow he's like the 25th best player in the world okay probably I mean he's top 35 we got to give OG a team a team in like three years he starts to play on the Knicks See, that's what you want to not happen.

I don't stay at top 25. If he has his own team, he's not going to be top 25. You don't know what he's capable of. I know damn sure what he's capable of in that regard. Give him a team, he's leaning you to the bonson, man. All my head's infinite potential. Power forward. Also, OG.

Oh, G, oh, D. Who do we have power forwarded this run? Scotty Barnes was great in the first round. Oh, for sure, Scotty Barnes. He's in the combo. If it would be a true power forward and not cheap? Yeah, he averaged like 23, wildly efficient. Unless he don't put cat at power forward.

You sneak him in? No. Because he's not going to be center. No. I think it's. Can't put Randall. Can't put shit. That's for damn sure.

Hell no. It might be Scotty Barnes. It's Scotty. Tatum. Not Evan Bowley. Super hell. Did you just whispered Tatum in my ear? What is wrong with you?

It's like a spirit. I look you whispered into mine. With our setup. It's kind of weird now. I whispered in my own ear. Freaky guy. No one even heard it. Give you yourself sweet seradais.

We can go Scottia at the four. Yeah. Okay. So we don't want to cheat. Yeah. Yeah. So no cat on this list. Because center got to be victory woman yama still.

Even though you shake your pants in the finals and get outplayed by cat for two games, still got to be victim yama. Now if cat could have had like at least three games. Yeah. One more game. Yeah. If he had a whole series about playing Wemby. Oh yeah. Kent got it for the summer.

Yeah. But that was like a 48 hour conversation where it was like, oh, Whamby can't hang. Webby started hanging pretty fast. Yeah. But he couldn't. I mean, listen, that's half the series. Those two days mattered. That's half the series.

Those two days mattered a lot. But Wembe also hit one of the best clutch shots I've ever seen against OKC in game one. So, yeah, it's over. It's tough. He had a moment, though. Kat did. And when it comes to rankings. He didn't have the round of the game.

Cat had weeks, especially after you flip up the, you flip the offense around. Cat had a month. And he played like four games in that month. It felt like, it was crazy. Oh, yeah, we can go NBA at five. There we go. Shouted OG. Now, who are the worst players in the NBA playoffs?

Point Guard through center. This guy, I mean, for a few rounds, he was fine, but the finals that happened. Does Deer & Fox have to be point guard? Nah. You could do Deer Fox or you could do Harden. I kind of want to lead to her. It's hard enough.

Are we put a Reeshepard at Point Guard? Yes, Reeshepard at Point Guard. That's mean. He was an absolute liability. Bro, they lost to the fucking Lakers with no Luca. The whole starting five here should be Rockets. Okay. It's assonine that the Rockies didn't win a playoff series.

Let's go Reecheper at one. Reechper at one. Which Rocket can I put it to? Fuck it, Jabari Smith, walking the shooting guard. No, no, no, he was fine. He was fine. Yeah. Worst shooting guard, this playoff run.

Let's see. John, Jamal Murray got clamped again. He's a point guard. I kind of want to give him recognition. Booker didn't have a great series. Yeah, but they played like, what do you expect? What are you going to do?

I mean, even Dill was horrible. Even Dillow was kind of game. Ingram was like, we lock an ingram in after three. Okay, small board is Brandon. Yeah, 100%. He can't go nowhere. The second you got hurt, your team got better. What's going on, man?

Is there anybody else? Another lock we got just put on there. Chet Hongren S.B. Center for after the complete... Oh, we can't put Chet at 4 and Jail and Dern at 5. Jen and Duren has to be on this list. Hey, Jeff Stardardard's 4. They can be our big men. We're cooking. So really is just, who is the worst shooting guard?

You don't want to consider Shangoon over? Jalen Dern. Dern was... No. Yeah, Dern was like unspeak. You couldn't do anything. You don't consider Randall over Chet? No.

No. Okay. I was thinking Randall Chet is my one, too. But we can go, Chet. Maybe Randall? Maybe Randall. Because Chet had two series where it was solid and then the conference finals

was just such a bad series. But Randall was for both series not really on anything. So maybe we go Randall Dern. But I think in the spirit of this, people want us to recognize the Chet Hungren moment. Then Chet Dern.

Dern's a lock for me. Okay, Dern's a lock. Julius Randall, welcome to shooting guard. He was shooting. Fuck it. Ingram met the three. Fuck it. He got hurt. Maybe that makes him not get the, maybe it makes him not get on the list.

He was terrible, but then he got hurt. Randall was healthy. So Randall at the three? Randall was available. We can run a big lineup. There was some shivers in here, boy. It was a lot of performances. It was bad.

I think he would Randall the three. You got to show some recognition words, do. Okay. Yeah, respect. Rendo. Respect. I won't forget about you. Don't worry.

No. all we have is a two guard left with Rich Sheparder's off as his own spot already Derek White was bad Derek White I think was worse Oh Derek White was horrible Deerick White was horrible

Devin's a guy The Air Fox lost in a ring It was a combination We go Fox Winby as well Miss Johnson Derek White man We're talking about Fox blowing

A final series He blew a first round series To the fucking Sixers They put a three-on lead to the fucking Sixers We just asked him to be like Is that on Gailin Brown? It's on I think Derek White

was a little on the series Derek White is shooting guard, I think. He was running smoked offensively and defensively. And that's all thing. He was kind of fine for that series. Yeah, I'm looking at it right now. He still average like 26 points. Yeah, Jim Brown was all right.

He had some bad moments, but he was like, all right. Is he Derek White or Suggs? Or Fox. I don't think Foxx. Then I think Derek White is the one. Yeah, I think I would personally vote Derek White. I'm looking around. Who else might be available?

Do you want to pay respect to Jamal Marie for getting put into a casket by Jamie Daniels again? This is like the second time. I'm in a row. This is kind of what he does. Maybe we've got to reward the consistency. The consistency or the... May I remind you that they had no Anthony Edwards, no Iodosumu, and who else did they

lost in that? I can't remember one more. Dante. No Dante. And they lost a close-out game. All their defenders were gone. You're right. They were at home.

They were at home. Terran Shannon Jr. sent them packing. That's tough. May it reminds you they had 12 points in that game. Four for 17 from the field. It sounds like you really want to get this. Go ahead. thing off.

I'm a Philo I feel like it regardless. You guys don't have to follow me there. If you guys want to reward somebody else, I'll stand alone on Jamal Murray Island. You got it. You got it. People are going to scream wise and Fox there. But, man, they got first round it.

I'm sorry, Jamal Murray has to be here. Yeah. Six man, Deer and Fox. That might be the future. It might be with the future holds. Oh, shit. Y'all spin. That's good writing, man.

Hell yeah. Hell yeah. What's that being said is the end of this episode. People are so here. Jesus Christ. It's caressing your ears.