The Deep 3 Podcast - Every NBA Team's Most Disappointing Player | Ep. 118
Episode Date: December 6, 2024Today we pick the most disappointing player on every NBA team! #nba Check out the TD3 merch: https://the-deep-3-shop.fourthwall.com/ Listen on Spotify!: https://open.spotify.com/show/3elbbqVumwqz8wl...IdknsLW Listen on Apple Podcasts!: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-deep-3-podcast/id1657940794 Follow us on TikTok!: https://www.tiktok.com/@thedeepthree Follow us on Instagram!: https://www.instagram.com/thedeep3podcast/ Isaac's twitter: https://twitter.com/byisaacg Muhamed's twitter: https://twitter.com/Mojo99_ Donnavan's twitter: https://twitter.com/Dsmoot3D 0:00- Intro 1:53- Lakers 19:55- Hawks 25:15- Jazz 27:55- Trailblazers 33:10- Warriors 38:55- Raptors 41:20- Kings 43:33- Pelicans/Magic 47:50- Nuggets 52:05- Rockets 57:20- Grizzlies 1:00:04- Pistons 1:05:24- Wizards/Heat 1:13:08- Hornets/Bulls/Spurs/Cavs/Celtics/Nets 1:16:27- Thunder 1:19:35- Knicks 1:22:30- Bucks 1:24:40- 76ers 1:29:45- Clippers 1:33:33- Pacers/TWolves 1:37:58- Suns/Mavs 1:41:25- Tiktok time Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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You know, every year we come in the season, we have agendas.
Everyone likes to pretend they're not biased.
We are very biased and we don't run away from it.
Everybody has them.
And you know, there's players that we're really high on, players are really low on.
And as soon as somebody comes out and meets our expectations and it's great when we say they are,
we're always the fastest to run a victory lap and say, I told you Franz Wagner was going to be a star.
I told you so-and-so was going to do great.
Today, though, today we're going to talk about players who have been incredibly disappointing,
players that we expected a lot from and have done the opposite this year.
just players that aren't having a great season
incredibly disappointed
not just mildly disappointed
not just like it's been a few bad games
they've just been stinking it up
that level of bad
yep okay and you know
the title of the episode
is every NBA team's most disappointing
players this season so some of them will be that
some of them will be incredibly disappointing
some will be just a little bit with some context and so on
but we're going through every single team
and if you're watching this and you're a fan of one specific team
we're going to tell you who we think you're selling
you who's ruining your team season and we'll see if you guys agree all right let's get
to him well what's on you what's on you what's on you're at what's going on um you see where i'm at
right now this is what happens yeah when you're on the road and you're trying to get it out the
mud and you're trying to do as much as possible to make these crown you're satisfied with
content this is what it looks like right now yeah you're important from some grandma's basement
wherever you are
we'll figure it out later
if you guys are here
drop a like for Mo
to get him back to his home
see if we can get him back
across the country
he's stranded right now
and yeah man
let's get into the episode
The cranium is crazy
oh my god
I mean I don't know
what to say
Pray on eaters rejoice
We're going to start
with probably the guy
that I probably put in the thumbnail, probably the guy
that has been the biggest talking point over the past week
in her disappointment. We're going to start with
the most disappointing player on the Las Angeles
Lakers. This feels weird.
I am leading the
most disappointing players of season conversation
off with LeBron James.
It's over for you, O'May.
It's over. I've been waiting on this
for 10 years since he was 30.
The fucker, you can't go on any longer.
What's his name on Twitter? He said it when he was 28.
10 years later, father time has come to have a little bit of victory.
He hasn't fully won yet.
LeBron's not cooked like some people are saying on Twitter.
But I think this season, I'm going to pick LeBron as the most disappointing player in the Lakers.
And not because it's like his fault, right?
We're not saying that he's like a huge disappointment because he's done less than expected of him or whatever.
He's just old and finally looking like it.
We expected this three years ago.
And we're finally getting the season where I think is definitive that he's not a top 10 player right now.
Wow
Okay
Yeah
I think we're there
I think we're there
We might be pushing
Top 15 narratives
By the time
Christmas comes around
I don't I don't know
If LeBron's top 15 right now
Okay
Okay
What makes you guys
Go ahead and say that shit
Oh man
What do I begin
Can't just
I guess they talk about
My goddamn king
And not back it up
With any real statements
Or facts
Okay so let's talk
About the Lakers
In general then
Right
Because I think with the
Obviously
the Lakers have been disappointing as of late.
They started off as like the goddamn three seed,
we came up here and did our power rankings.
And as a Lakers fan, I said,
I'm not ranking them as a top five team
or anything like that despite that placement.
They're clearly fake demons.
They had a very even
0.2 net rating despite being 10 and 4
because they were barely beating teams
by the slowness of margins
even though the teams were bad.
So I think we saw the riding on the wall
that seems not very good, right?
You guys agree?
Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah, we saw it.
Yeah.
For sure.
For sure. And now the fakeness is just gone
or the demons are gone.
and there's trash. They're just bad.
And the biggest part of that, as we've talked about all season,
is their defense is atrocious.
Their bottom five in defense that have been all season.
And a big part of that is LeBron James right now.
I think it's clear that his offball defense is really bad.
And this isn't a team that has a defensive personnel to hide him.
You know, in some years past, like maybe 2018 or whatever year was,
he was coached by Tai Liu and had some good defenders around him.
He could kind of meld in at times and then turn it up when necessary.
This roster does not allow.
that when you're starting next to god damn de angelo russell dalton connect and ruri hachemora three
bad defenders so lebron's bad defense has really shown the team's defense is six and a half
points worse with him on the court right now and that matches the eye test i think i've never it's
it's really really weird like i think yes that the defense is bad we've seen this for about like
six years now like i would say starting in like 2017 2018 around
that range you you started to really see lebron like conserve his energy on on defense and really like
pick his spots and he was never you never trash but you can see like i'm he's not going to go out there
and be d p oi guard your best player right do all that stuff but he can still turn it up in spurts
obviously yeah like like you said the fact that the fact that nobody is a good defender on that team
outside of anthony davis and the fact that like in the fact that like you say is all the
the time. AD's, one of his biggest false defensively is that he doesn't get back. And so you
have a lot of guys who just don't play defense overall than somebody who gets beat in transition
defense. And that leads to them getting destroyed by 40 points on, you know, like that.
Pitiful. By the fucking Miami heat, he doesn't stink. Those performances come to like when you
have this. JJ Reddick looks like he wants to quit already. He looks like he just can't take it
anymore just because of how bad they are. I mentioned defense to start. Defense isn't even the
biggest issue. I just want to get that out there first. Their defense sucks. They are running a very
switch-heavy scheme that is doing a lot of instant switching off-ball whenever there's anything
close to a screen to not let teams even get into the flow of the action, right? They say if you want
to run a off-ball screen, if you want to run a backdoor cut, whatever it is, we're going to switch
it to not even allow you to create an advantage. That's something a lot of teams have done over the
years but it only works when you have good defenders who have the high enough IQ to make that
happen they have not not that we'll say that but that's fine call the point of this team coming
to this season was that they're going to be an offensive heavy team right they started the season off
with a third offensive rating they're down to seventh and again this is the first time it's ever
happened in lebron james's career not even as a rookie this happened the team's offense is significantly
worse than him on the court they are currently 13.6 points per 100%
session's worse at LeBron James on the court. Now, that is ridiculous. Trader. Dude,
at his peak, that's, like, the stars have like an offensive rating like 10 points better.
To be minus 13 is one of the worst in the entire league. Granted, there's probably some noise
there, but he just has not been consistently good. A few games ago, there's a stretch where he
missed 24 straight three-pointers. And we all know at this point of his career, he is extremely
reliant on his outside jump shot. Obviously, he's not finishing the rim like he used to.
He misses a lot of bunny layups. He almost never dunks. He really,
relies on bully ball in the half court and finding shots of the ribbon transition so if his jump
shot isn't falling he looks old as hell man it's it's so funny because i like over the over the
past a couple days i've been seeing a lot of people like put massive massive money on like lebron
10 points at at least in like in the like parlayer or whatever and it's like it's like a thing now
We're going forward, like, it's not, it's not as much of a guarantee as you think that LeBron is going to show up and get 10 points, especially the way that he's shooting.
It's crazy.
I look at this situation and I'm just like, yes, like LeBron looks like he slowed down a tad bit, but I'm not going to go as far just yet to say he's the top 15 NBA player because the fact that matter is like if you put him around shit, he's going to look like shit.
That's what the Lakers are at this point in time.
So it's amplifying and making things way worse.
You're making a good point.
He won 24 straight missed threes.
That's not going to happen forever, right?
He's going to have, that's an aberration.
He'll get back to his normal shooting from three,
which will make him look better like he has the past couple of years
where he really relies on that.
But the margin for error is so small.
If his three-point shot is not falling,
if he has a cold streak like this,
life is incredibly difficult for him.
We talked early in the season about this new JJ Redick offense,
the running off of these screens,
this high amount of actions.
It's so different than what we've seen in past years.
The past five games or so when they've been on this skid, that hits completely fallen off of the cliff.
And people are going on Twitter and they're quick to blame JJ Reddick.
They're saying, you know, rookie head coach, yada, yada, yada, part of it is probably that he's not motivating the team right now.
They're not listening for whatever reason.
But part of it is when Anthony Davis, LeBron James, and dealer get the ball, they're stopping the offense.
The team is simply not executing the game plan.
They're falling out into a rhythm and getting back to old Darwin-Ham looking habits where they just have a slow isolation-based offense.
don't work out. And that's making LeBron
and Anthony Davis's life harder. There's a reason
they've played so bad for the last seven games and a big
part of that it's just not putting the effort to execute and make
those easy buckets happen for him. Look at Darvindham
having a lasting impact on
grown men's lives. Darlingham out here
leader of men. You know what I'm saying?
Like it doesn't matter if he's in the bitter or not.
They're still following him. And that
for him, I love that for him.
Yeah. So I saw something
on Twitter the other day.
I think it was after, maybe it was
after last night after the loss of them, to the
Miami he or the loss before that some Lakers big Lakers page I don't remember the name was like it's
time to have a conversation and then below that was a picture of JJ Wright looking miserable as
ever and as usual you like his fans are trying to find someone to skate to skate go and at that
point in time what's that what we know the truth who you put in the label we know the
truth we it's rough i mean it's rob lincoln the roster that's been correct the same exact
mid roster that's been around for the last two years you know i think at the at some point in time
there's a famous quote by alan i i said allan i said albert einstein such an insane like mishap
said some like expecting change with no change is insanity and that's exactly what's happening
We're doing the truth of that.
You're right.
Yeah, I'm not the quote.
That's not the quote.
It's not the quote right now.
It's doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity.
No.
When you said, that's how Alan Iverson would have said it.
That's not the Albionstein version.
That's a different.
But to your point, to your point, despite the butchers, you are on the right track, though.
You were 100% right.
Yeah.
Listen, Darwin Ham lost the locker room.
lost the locker room, he had to get fired, right? It wasn't, it wasn't surprising. We don't
need to look back and say he shouldn't have fired, but the same errors are still here,
because Rui Hachimora still can't set screens, he still can't switch screens,
D'Anger Russell is still the terrible defender offball, Jared Vanderbilt still doesn't play
basketball games, they still don't have a backup center, they have all the same issues,
and coaching can only fix so much of that. So you're 100% right. While they had to make a change,
JJ Redick is not a fucking miracle worker. We see now that maybe some of us got excited, and we thought
that there could be some marginal changes
that make them better
they're just the same team
that's why I picked them to be seven seat again
like last year because I think they're the exact same
team and Rob Polinka
is just the worst is the takeaway
we've talked we've talked
a lot about how
your perception of the Lakers has changed
and I'm looking at them
right now and I'm
thinking to myself are they
going to be in the top ten
because
I think that's a bit dramatic but I know what you mean
That's not crazy.
Because just because the rest of the Western Conference is super, super competitive.
And obviously, like, I'm not going to sit here and say, like, they are definitively not going to be in the top 10.
But the best case scenario for the Lakers was always we have LeBron and AD.
If we are, if we're now looking at them and LeBron is teetering between that top 10, top 15 range.
And then you have AD and no defenders around them.
It's clear that, and whether if it's his fault or not, it looks like there's a disconnect
between what JJ's trying to preach and trying to get everybody to do, not even from a supreme
execution.
We're going to outthink these guys, whatever, from an effort standpoint.
The fact that that's not happening, how long does this slide last?
And something that like we've seen from LeBron, at least for the last two years.
the playoffs is that he can dial it up from time to time and still be a quarter and still be like
lebron he could do it for a quarter he could do it for a half but something that i saw this year
and i saw last year was especially like in in series against the nuggets if he gives you a good
first half second half is going to be bad he had he had a game this this year where lebron went
crazy i think it was he had like a 30 point triple double and i was like yep next next game he's
going under that that point total and he came out and had like 12 because the
It's just so hard to do it consistently.
And so if that's the case, I don't know what the ceiling is for the-
Yeah, you just said a lot of things that all need to be addressed one by one
because you're on the money.
I think first thing you said was if he's not going to be a top 10 or 15 player
that changes things, you don't have that.
You can't fall back on having two top 10 players.
That's why I picked him as the most disappointing player.
I could have picked Gabe Vincent, who offensively is playing like shit from a butt.
He hasn't made a shot and I don't know how long.
He shoots like 12% from three for his legist's career, obviously disappointing.
but LeBron
his let's call it a semi falloff
or just aging
if he can't
if they can't have that fallback
they have no no ceiling whatsoever
they have no floor so even though it's
yeah it's gonna cave it
even though it's not his fault
it's disappointing because
the window is over
if he's not a top 10 player
they just don't have a shot
and that is literally the difference between
maybe this team could do something
and make a conference finals if they get hot
the right time like over years ago
versus it's being dead in the water
because you just have to have two elite players.
Exactly.
Listen, as much as I love LeBron James and I want the most success for him in his career,
I'm looking at my chops right now as we speak because I remember, we have you guys pick.
And by we, I mean, the Atlanta Hawks.
And if you guys somehow, some way, if you guys are, you guys are like our Anthony Davis ankle injury or ankle roll away from being in the lottery next year.
And I'm looking at my top.
I guess.
You can say about anybody.
going to be a you're not going to get a top 10 pick calm down relax you're not getting shit when
it happens flipping this and then i'm adding you yeah sure if anthony davis breaks his knee in half
or maybe they're too good for that but uh don't another thing you mentioned was um j j reddick
they're not listening to him and he's talking about that in conferences and he sounds so frustrated
yes and it's crazy because his schemes are good the ideas are good but the roster just does not fit
it at all.
You guys got to listen to him, man.
God, he knows
what he's not even that,
but if you're,
he's the coach is right guys.
You have to play hard.
But no,
but I think a big difference
in a rookie coach
and the established veterans
like a Tailu
is you have to have some ability
to bend your style
to your talent.
You cannot ask
Rue Hachamora and Delo
to switch everything off ball.
These guys do not have that
in their bag.
They are not equipped to execute it.
It seems
like they're not listening to him. I think they just can't do it. I think they are not equipped
to execute this and they're they gave up on him right like that Milwaukee Miami game they clearly
gave up in the second half. LeBron and AD gave the fuck up and the role player is followed and I think
it's just frustration because they simply cannot do it and it's frustrating when you you're starting
to get off you're trying but you're not equipped to play this style it leads to that it's a fucking
snowballs and now it looks like he loses locker room for a game but they're just ejected.
Yeah and I I think for the Lakers
another thing they need
Rob Polinkin needs to be on the phone
instantly right
not not not only
well yes that too but not only
just because you have to
you have to make a change in the
roster
you know everybody's trade stock is going down
if you watch the if you watch
the Lakers over the last two two three weeks
and you're watching
you're watching Dilo one get called out
multiple times over effort you see the entire team
quit like that what other
team is looking at that saying, yeah, we're a DeAngelo Russell away from getting better.
If you look at at Rui, outside of the crazy three-point shooting street that he had two years
ago, you look at everything that he's been doing. What team is saying to themselves, yeah,
Rue would be a really nice addition to what we're doing here. Like, I don't, I think at this point
right now, if you are trading for any of these guys, you are trading for the opportunity to get what
they were two years ago at their best but they're not putting that on film right now and
if I was an opposing GM I would be very worried and I wouldn't make that call for them like
mad picks would have to be attached to to the deal do you guys remember that episode we did last year
I don't remember which one it was but I think there was at some point where I said I'm ready for
this error to end that I'm kind of kind of okay if they move on from LeBron and AD at some point
yeah I don't remember why I said that but I still feel that way
And the rebuild is on the way.
Maybe it's retooling around Anthony Davis.
LeBron's probably retire for next year.
They're not going to do this for many reasons that practical in real life has to do with business, the team.
LeBron's desires, how perception works for the NBA, how you treat your stars and so on.
If she has a fan even further, I would not be disappointed as a Lakers fan if the shit got blown up by the trade deadline.
What does the blow look like to you?
It looks like Anthony Davis.
and the Hawks, give us that goddamn pickback
LeBron James, let's go home to the Cavs,
let's get you a fucking title,
let's dominate the East,
let's go back to rebuilding.
Hey, Anthony is what we need
and he will fix all of our problems.
I will be more than glad to go ahead
and have that conversation with you at a later time.
Whatever it looks like, I don't know.
It's probably not that extreme,
but I won't be upset if they decide
to give the team a chance and trade the picks
to like make this team salvageable.
I won't be upset if they do that and they get a Cam Johnson
or whoever may be with those two first-time picks
but I also will not be upset if they just throw the towel in
and move on to the next area.
Yeah, because it's clear as they, this is just,
it's been a crooked product for two and a half,
three years or whatever you want to,
whatever it may be.
There's no way out other than unloading the talent you have,
which is AD and lighting with Bronner right through the sunset
or trying to unload the clip and get a Cam Johnson
or Dorian, Smooth, Smith, or Zach Levine or whatever.
it might be the sad reality is they're probably not going to do either and they're probably
going to be mid for the next two years before lebron attires and just be a 45 win team which is the
worst ever seeing lebron go out this way like the wizard's mj is just disgusting but that's where we're
at that's sick well well that's that's all you can say just well sucks to suck yeah well
here we are perpetual playing team as always i'm not surprised i'm just disappointed
Listen, I'm taking exactly what you said, and I would like to talk about another disappointment on a perpetual playing team.
Let's talk about the Atlanta Hawks.
Let's talk about five win streak Atlanta Hawks, the hottest team in the NBA, Atlanta Hawks.
We do not care.
Let's talk about Trey-O.
And let's talk about how Trey Young, specifically his shooting, is failing the Atlanta Hawks this year.
because you can you can you can talk a lot about about the role players and it's kind of similar to
to lebron in in the sense that like yes there's other people who aren't playing as well however
none of this works if trey young is not trey young and we've seen tray have up and down shooting seasons
before we've seen him go go back and forth he's showing 30% from from three right now right i
I understand that he's averaging 12 assists.
The whole idea, though, behind this is you are going to be offensive engine.
We are going to have long, light skins who can defend around you.
And then we'll have whatever big we can find.
And that's kind of going to be the thing.
And if Trey is not shooting the way that he needs to,
Trey's not scoring the way that he needs to,
then you are not five-game win streak or whatever.
You're not going to get to the places that you want to go.
And so that's why for me right now,
Trey Young is very disappointing while I watch the Hawks.
Yeah, I can agree to that to a certain degree.
Like, all this doesn't work in the long term if Trey's not being Trey.
But in terms of overall Hawk basketball,
this is the best that it's been in years,
considering, like, the style of basketball that you're playing.
You see Trey's usually dropping.
And meanwhile, while you see that.
Yeah.
Yeah, this is, in terms of like, conducive basketball.
No, listen, in terms of like actual winning basketball, like there's a real vision that a lot can be bought and we're more of like a modern team than ever since we've had Tray Young in terms of like.
I believe you.
I believe.
Yeah, exactly.
It's just sad.
It's just pitiful.
It's the best has been in years.
Listen, man, if I wish I had lineage to be, to let me be a Lakers fan or a Warriors fan or a Celtics fan.
I'm dealt with these cards.
And I'm appreciating them.
And for right now, what I am appreciating is the Dyson, Daniels, the Risha says,
DeAndre Hunter, literally being the front winner of the sixth man of the year race right now.
I'm appreciating all this, but long term, you are correct.
I think Trey's...
This year.
He's facing two things.
There's, like, his Achilles is genuinely bothering him.
And then on top of that, too, he's giving up the ball way more than he's used to.
and I think he's slightly struggling.
Binmore has been picking up his dribble a lot more.
Floater isn't in.
Obviously, nothing is really going in for him on the offensive end.
And he's just like learning how to capitalize in this new role
while doing a little bit less.
And that's why, and that's why for me,
that's why it's kind of disappointing because of,
because of the way that everybody else is playing.
And for so long, for so long, like,
Trey has been labeled as like an empty stats guy.
Like, he's, you know,
he's not a quote unquote like winning player and now that the hawks have some pieces to where
you can play winning basketball now that jalen johnson is picking it up and he's starting to do
the things that we thought that he could in terms of like handling the ball playing defense being
extremely versatile on offense it is kind of disappointing that tray can't either isn't or can't
immediately fit into to this role where if if he if he was like on it they would they would be much better
especially in this situation right now.
Okay, so it's disappointing clearly.
Like you want to see him make his shots
because like how good could they be?
Five game, one streak could be even greater
if he's scoring well.
But is it worrying.
Like he's shooting 29% from three
on 6.4 pull-up three is a game.
That is not Trey Young.
Like he's had cold streaks before,
but this is the least efficient year
even worse than his terrible rookie season.
There's going to be positive regression at some point,
whether it's because the Achilles
you Donmo mentioned or whatever.
He's going to get healthy and play better.
Are you worried long term
or just disappointed on what we've seen
so far because that's a big difference there yeah i don't i don't think i'm i'm worried but i am
disappointed yeah that makes sense yeah yeah that's fair to say i think the only slight
things that tell me like nah no worry about it is that it's not like he's been not shooting
the ball he's been trying to get his shit off just last night against the milwaukee bucks he took
nine threes none of them all's went in he put up an absolute fat zero if he wasn't getting those
three's up then I'll be like oh my god like what's happening he lost his aggressiveness that made him such
like a potent offensive force along with his passing ability but because he's getting those stuff off
I think that at this point in time there's none to really worry about is just an insane
really a disgusting shooting slump that you've seen from him and throughout his entire career
so I'm not worried about it makes sense again disappointing what we've seen so far but I think we all
think the hawks will generally be fine things are trending upward so it's not too doom and gloom
yeah exactly you know what is what is kind of like doom and gloom right now i don't know i bet
you're going to tell me all right the utah jazz we don't have to spend necessarily too much
time on this but keontay george has been one of the most disappointing players second year players
that the NBA has to offer us right now i think it's clear his day that he's been forced into
a role that simply just doesn't fit him being the lead guard he's never been that throughout his
entire playing career, not only in the NBA or college or high school.
And I think Will Hardy's been forcing him upon that role, thus making him like one of
the most inefficient lead guards in the entire association right now, especially starting.
He's probably the worst.
To start off the year, I think he shot like 32% from the field for his first seven or 11 games.
And overall, his efficiency is just disgusting.
his ability to bring up the ball comfortably,
up court, even with the slightest of pressure on to him,
is a battle.
And for that to be your lead NBA guard at times,
it's very concerning.
The turnovers are absolutely disgusting.
I believe, fun fact, the Utah Jazz,
they lead the NBA and transition points to giving up, I believe,
which is like at 31 points per game,
and that's the most that we've seen.
in like 20-something years.
It's ridiculous.
And a lot fall on his shoulders.
Now, I will say, over the last seven, nine games,
he's been a bit better shooting like 43% from the field.
But it's clear that he's super disappointing.
He's not the lead guard that for that organization.
He could be an off guard to an Isaiah Collier.
He looks a lot better and more comfortable with that responsibility off of his shoulders.
But as a now, he's definitely slightly disappointing because he's not a lead guard.
he's more so like a con sex and type of player yeah Dylan Harper you're ready to speak Utah jazz
I know your dad doesn't want you to go there but they need you get ready it's gonna happen
his dad was just tweeting about how he doesn't want to see him in Utah he made a joke about
requesting a trade they need a Dylan Harper in the draft it's clear they're tanking so you kind of
want to empower some young guards to try to make those playmaking leaps while you're trying to tank
because you know it helps both ways they might get better at it and you might lose some games
So overall, it's a win.
But yeah, you want to see him get better at that.
And I'm not out on him yet, but I definitely see what you're seeing.
Can't be too excited.
Yeah.
Do defensively, with him on the court, the Utah Jazz have a defensive rating of 127.
And with him off the court, they have a defensive rating of 109.
Yeah.
Let's talk about another similar situation.
Let's talk about another guard who was drafted to be the league guard of his team.
And the rebuild kind of hinged on his.
shoulders no and none of it has gone well no the most disappointing player for the
Portland Trailblazers is none other than Scoot Henderson no yeah yeah yeah so
last year no I don't want to talk about it he was bad he was bad and everybody rushed
to call him a bus and make fun of them and we came up here we preach not caution
what's the word patience we said young guards have rough seasons often no it's best to not
overreact yet let's see how it looks in year two let's see how the skills begin to develop
as the time goes on, give him a second before we make too harsh of a judgment.
I still feel that way in principle, but I think we've seen enough through the summer 25%
of the way through the season and all of last year.
I think it's safe to say Scoot Henderson is not a star by any means.
That's clear.
I am beginning to be worried if he's ever going to be a starter.
Like, there's a world where he goes a good player still.
He's not, nobody's done after 100 games.
But the idea of building around him is done, I believe.
oh man that's not not going to be a starter is such such he can be a starter he can be a starter
i mean that's dramatic but it's not a guarantee he has to develop still it's not a guarantee
at all and it's just such a such a heel turn and it's it's very unfortunate because it's he's in a
situation that is like i know that they have guards in in portland but it's also tailor made for him
you were the third pick in draft and we i think i think a lot of
people got fooled by or relied to about how athletic he was he's strong right like he he he looks big
but he's not like as fast as powerful as some of the other guys that people were comparing him to
and so and so because of that like there probably were some expectations on it but also just
outside of that like regular point guard duties just haven't been his thing and it's it's kind
it's kind of not kind of the regular guard duties aren't your thing it's regular
disappointment which is also wild and this is what i never understand about like just the league
in general you have chaunty billips as your coach like it's very it's very weird it's very
weird that these like older guards can't foster younger guards in that in that situation especially
with chaunty because he bounced around so much as a as a young player so you can
you can understand and be in that mindset of a young player trying to figure out his way
and he can't help and it's that whole situation is very weird to me what makes it what makes it
even worse is like the Portland Trailblazers have been a lot better than any of us
as expected to have like eight wins so far into this 2022 game season that we've entered and it has
absolutely nothing to do with scoot Henderson this team is tanking they're they're a lot better
than they even want to be themselves and it has nothing to do with
with you. In order to make Toronto's fans happy, which is to, for them to get the highest
pick possible, they probably need to pick Scoot Henderson or play Scoot Henderson a lot more.
That is incredibly sad to say and to think of, bro.
It's alarming and I'm starting to sound the fire bills too.
Are we selling stock?
Are we selling? Like, how much of you stock are you selling?
I've been sold. I just didn't tell you about it. I did it behind closed doors because I didn't
want you to. I'm still in on it. I'm still in on it.
Yeah. I wanted you to hold the bag so I can get out before the whole.
whole market crash.
And maybe the market
ass crash and you're just caught holding it.
Now I'm holding.
Yeah, yeah, you're fucking cooked.
He does not shoot well from three.
We know that, 32%.
Not, I mean, it could be worse, I guess, but not good.
28% from mid-range doesn't really have touch there.
Doesn't have a first step to beat people consistently and get to an open shot.
So it shows it doesn't really generate any open looks from either level.
And only 54% at the rim, which is not particularly good, especially if you're not a good shooter.
There's no scoring strength to hold his hat on.
The processing speed is a passer.
Clearly is an issue.
end of the day
if you don't have
the athletic system
to get open
you don't have
high level passing
to create advantage
even without getting
super open as a score
you're not a strong defender
you're not big
and can serve
some defensive versatility
with rebounding
there's
we've literally not seen
a strength yet
which
tough even better
like that's that's
tough
it's looking like an old school
bus story now
that we haven't seen
in a while
that's true
we haven't seen
we haven't seen
we haven't seen
we haven't seen a bus
yeah just like
someone who's just like
straight out for me complete miss yeah completely miss i wasn't going to say that but a complete miss
we've been let us straight for sure he's listen he's gonna he's gonna be great in the euro league
it's gonna be awesome he might he might win he might win MVP it's gonna be awesome yeah and again
there's a world where he finds a career like markelle fultz did where you find like a bench
roll and you know develop those skills over time but he's a lot of time a lot of reps and a lot
of patience and a lot of recalibration of expectations man no this is so cooked you just brought up
Mark Hill Fultz in the big year of 2024.
It's going to be 2025.
And that man plays for what team?
I know, but he had a couple years where he found a role for himself.
All right.
What's the next team?
It's on me.
Let's talk about the Golden State Warriors.
And let's talk about how Brandon Pajemski is stinking it up.
They don't want to hear this.
because we've heard so much and to the Warriors credit they are right they have a lot of depth
and that is something that has propelled them in years past and something that's that's propelled
them this year brandon projemsky is not a part of that he he is missing threes left and right
he is not scoring at all they have now that the anthony melton is out you have an opening
for brandy progensky to come in and be that guard and be that
that, you know, be that, be that guard in that role. And he's just not taking it. And you, like,
you, you expect him, you expect him after a really good rookie season to take, even if Warriors fans
were like crazy and they thought that, oh yeah, like we got, we got another star on our hands,
probably was never going to be that. But to be a very productive role player, he's the
antithesis of that right now. And he has by far been the most disappointing player on that team.
Yeah. So obviously he's not making his threes, which is like the most important thing to do for a player in his current role playing next to Steph Curry as like an off guard. You have to hit your three. It's like baseline, obviously, to stay on the court. 22% is, I can't even say not going to cut it. It's abysmal. I'm also disappointed with his defense. I didn't think he was an amazing defender, but I thought he was cool. He was a solid enough team defender. And there's been some games since the Anthony Melton got hurt. And pods has kind of been forced to really have a big.
defensive presence, where this team is constantly in rotation.
And in this game against Nuggets, when Dremont wasn't there to just hide and save
everybody, he is a walking blowby.
Specifically, like on ball, I'm sure he's okay enough, but specifically when he's closing
out on a shooter, he's so easy to blow by on a closeout that it leads to so many issues
with their defense having to rotate behind him.
And this whole Denver game, they were just constantly in rotation, constantly creating
open looks with Aaron Gordon cutting off of Yokish post-ups.
he's not playing good on either end right now.
Pods, man, looking back at it, I'm sure.
Dude, we need to start having a real conversation
about how badly the words have missed for years now
when it comes to these NBA draft picks.
They haven't had a singular.
I mean, if he plays like this,
it's looking very mislike.
Sure, he's a 19th pick in the draft.
He had a good year, now he's struggling.
I'm not preferred to call him a miss in the draft.
Right outside of the lottery.
Listen, it's miss adjacent.
Dude, it's a close stretch.
I'm not going to write off Brandon Pajemski.
I'm running him off.
I'm over.
I'm over it.
I'm selling myself.
Oh, my God.
I like pods.
I like pods.
I think when it comes to like most disappointing player talk, that's completely
fine.
Me personally, I think I would lean towards Jonathan Camino because expectations are
higher.
I feel more about him strongly than some like pods.
I'm not, whenever I think about like the warriors and their roles and downfalls
or the warriors and their successes, I'm not thinking about.
Pajemski. He is Pots. He's there to do the simple things and be like an accessory
cord whenever needed. The passing, a little bit of defense, spreading the floor and beating
players off the dribble once in a while. I look at Jonathan Kaminga and I'm just like continuously
disappointed in him and how Steve Curry's handled that situation since he's been drafted.
Moses Moody, great player doing what he's supposed to do. PODs, he's doing what he's supposed to do,
but Kaminga hasn't been able to like find ways.
not doing what he has to do.
I agree with you.
I agree with you.
Because the two that I was deciding over were between Kaminga and Pots.
And the one stat that stood out to me where I was like, oh, yeah, now.
Like this guy, he's thinking it up.
Pods.
Pods has had three games this season with two or more threes out of 19.
That's insane.
Three, three games.
This is coming from a player who shot 38% from three last.
year he has three games this season with two or more and mo you mentioned that that your
expectations are lower and i get that why you say that but this team's expectations were not lower
for brandon pajemsky it was reported that the jazz desire to have him is why they didn't
get loud of marketing because they refused to trade brandon pejemsky because they viewed him as a
neck young cornerstone they didn't view him as this ancillary guy like oh go do everything
pause we'll handle everything you just do you no they viewed him as an important piece that can be
the off-card of the future next to Steph Curry
that can be an important part of their defense
and their offense. And he is doing either
three nor a D right now. So
I think his disappointment, especially
with the Anthony Melton injured, is
immensely important.
Exactly. Exactly.
That is one.
Because right now they can play
buddy healed and have good offense but no defense
or they can play Gary Payton
to second and have good defense or no offense. They're back
in that position where they're picking if they're going to go either
side. And the Anthony Melton was
the key to having a two-way backcourt.
Pods needs to be that now, and he can't be.
I thought Pods will turn it around now.
He should turn it around.
Yeah, yeah.
I'm not out of him, but he's playing like fucking garbage.
We know he can be better.
That's why we're calling him out, but yeah.
He needs to get better fast because they're on a five-game win streak with
losing streak.
No end in sight.
Oh, yeah, losing streak.
And they need some fucking lifeline into a better run of the season.
I agree.
They need different looks.
They need different looks.
What's your next?
all right next up i guess we can go ahead and breeze over a team like the toronto raptors
i think plenty of people has felt this on twitter specifically people are talking about how this is
one of the most ethical tanks that they've seen in quite a while you know if you're a tonal
ropers fan you should be super happy with what you have in front of you scottie barnes is back
starting to ramp things up a little bit i've had a great had a great game last night or two nights ago
Grady Dick has slowed in, slowed down as of late, but still has, like, maintained a level of aggressiveness, which is what you love to see.
And then R.J. Barr has completely changed the trajectory of his career.
He looks like a real foundational piece.
Now, when you think about disappointing, disappointment for this Raptors organization, it's hard to pinpoint one specific, someone specific player, but other than they're, like, guard rotation.
Ochoibaji, can't say anything about him.
He's doing his job averaging, like, their team.
points, efficient as hell.
Cool.
I'm looking at Emmanuel quickly.
I guess you could say he might be
a little bit disappointing, but he only played like
three games. So at that point,
I really can't really call him that.
After that, my attention goes to someone
like Davion Mitchell, who was
a lottery picture just a couple of years ago.
They got him for practically nothing from the
Sacramento Kings, and this is
the most amount of opportunity that he's ever had
in his entire NBA career. And to see
him still not
to be as efficient as a
shooter when it comes to what this team needs around their star players and Scotty barns and
god damn i can't believe i'm saying about r j barrett that's slightly disappointing is the world
ending and crashing burning no it's not the end of the world whatsoever but if you're going to place
disappointment on a player it's got to be him yeah you said a lot of words to say there's not a big
disappointment on the raptors i think it's you got out of davy on Mitchell on your list the answer is
they don't have a big disappointment things are going great they're not even going to be tanking anymore
Scotty Barnes has come back starting a point guard
and been amazing playing like a star again
so things are going well for the Raptors
Raptors fans are always commenting you as when talk about us
yada yada today's the day we're not going to say a single
more word about you because things are going good so you shouldn't want us
I try to go ahead and give them their love and give them like
you know a brief hierarchy of how their scenes is going right now and you just
try to shut them up I try to find
things are going very well right now we don't got to pretend
they're doing quite well all the young players look good
we can move on except for Davion
yeah sure whatever it's not high on a priority list
let's talk about a player that you love to shit on mo for no reason over the years
whoa and not shit on but you like to say that fans have too high expectations for him
that you never saw the vision well your anti agenda is currently aging amazing
because the most disappointing player on the sacramento kings is kegan murray
okay yes yes yes let's talk okay and for him it's real simple it's he is not making
threes. And this is a team we talked about last time we did our power rankings that does not
win the three point volume battle at all. They are currently 24th and three point volume and 25th in
efficiency while giving up a lot of threes because they don't have any shots at the rim to try to
hide them on to Sabonis. So this team is built around Dearen Fox, Sabonis, and DeRosen, non-three-point
shooters besides Fox, who's a good three-point shooter, but not great. But, you know, not a lot
of volume there. And the Kings desperately need Keegan Murray to provide some shooting. They desperately
We need Kevin Hurd to provide some shooting, Malik Monk, etc.
And Keegan Murray is by far in a way their best shooter.
He's supposed to be the guy that provides a three and the D
and he is completely lost to three right now.
29% from three, 30% on catch and shoot threes,
11% on pull-up threes.
And 96% of his threes are open,
and he's still shooting this terribly.
That's the most damn end stat about it.
That's crazy.
Every shot that you take is open and you can't make one.
And you shoot 28% on the,
open threes it's probably just a cold stretch he's had a career of shooting well so he'll probably
get back to it but they're the goddamn 13 or 12 seed right now i don't know where they're standing
because it changes every day and this is a big swing factor of what is going to be the thing that
can maybe save them yeah you better make some shots my guy yeah we can keep this quick but i've always
not a fan of teams overly relying on role players who are just simply role players and are good
at being good they're not great but they're good at being good and so such
to see but hopefully they think it's better yeah again this isn't one I'm terribly
worried about long term but it's a big problem oh for sure with how they're built
but tomorrow's in there I'd be terribly worried yeah they have a ridiculous amount
of heavy weight on his shoulders yeah I agree I agree all right I'm I'm doubling up
I'm going to because there's one that we don't really have to spend too much time on
and that's okay easily the New Orleans pelicans just because this is a loss season for
everybody's everybody's dead the only thing is that
that one of the people that is hurt is Zion,
and you just never want to see that from him
because it always gives you some more, like,
concern about can we build around him?
Can we do, you know, can we ask?
Those home recesses are out the door.
That's what I'm saying.
Like, we've been having that so many times,
but like this season, again, it's like he was just,
it looked like he was having the breakout year last year,
and then now we have to go through another year
of, like, injury stuff.
So that stuff is not, it's not great to hear.
Yeah, we've talked a lot about Zion
being the big disappointment.
We don't got to beat a dead horse.
Exactly.
It's looking tough for his future.
Obviously, we don't got to say too much about them.
What's your second team for this?
The second team that we're going to talk about is the Orlando Magic.
Listen, you may think that everything is good, right?
Because they, listen, Franz Wagner has turned into a start.
They've maintained while Palo's out.
However, the one kind of weak spot that you can still point to is KCP and his shooting.
Because he's, no, I'm going to give him a little bit of credit over the last week.
He's had a couple of good games, right?
It's starting to look like he turned around.
However, right after that good week went back to being.
you know, the struggling KCP that we've seen for a majority of the year.
He's already had seven games this year without hitting a single three.
He said seven overs this year.
And the big, the big big thing, obviously, why everybody was excited with when the magic
signed KCP is because last year, they needed shooting.
KCP is known for being a shooter.
And if he's not there, being a shooter, then it's a problem.
Right.
So that's the thing that if you're looking at the magic, it's kind of disappointing because especially when Palo comes back, if Palo can come back and be at the level that he was, if Franz can continue to play at this level and then you get KCP and his shooting can get there, the magic are they might be the second best team in the Easton Conference.
Yeah.
There's a big theme here going on.
In the age of the three-point shooting era and the volume of three is needed from every team, a big running theme of most disappointing.
players is going to simply be people who are there having an extremely cold shooting season.
And KCP is a poster boy that his edition was talked about like it was damn near a star
edition because his shooting was that desperately needed on a team like this.
So the high-end role player adjustment that they could add to that offense by adding in KCP
shooting could have a star type of leap for their offense.
And they just have been robbed of that.
Exactly.
And it's like we kind of hinted or people were kind of pushing back on the idea that, you know,
KCP is going to come in and completely change the magic because he did have a bad,
a bad playoffs.
He wasn't a knockdown, knockdown shooter for, you know, his, the second half of his career
in Denver.
But there's certain guys that just like on defense, you already have the reputation of being
a good defender, you can have that as a shooter.
There's certain guys that are labeled as shooters and you have to give them respect as such.
And KCP is kind of one of them.
But he's not knocking him down.
So Orlando, they're going to need some shots out of him.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He hate to see it.
You just hate to see it.
Actually, in my opinion, too, if you're going to talk about, like, most disappointing
players for the Orlando Magic, KCP, salute, he's one of them.
But I also think, like, someone, like, Cole Anthony is easily one of the most disappointing
players, too.
His role has just continuously, like, dwindled over the last few years.
And people have always complained and talked about how they need lead guard, crates and shooting,
and all sorts of stuff.
Meanwhile, you drafted the guy
who's supposed to fix all those issues
and wells just a few years ago.
And he's average career lows across the board.
So it's like, I get that.
He had an opportunity to kind of lock that up.
And he, when he was getting major minutes,
the team was getting better.
And they still said, yeah, we're still going to need an upgrade.
So I don't, I don't feel as bad
because I do feel like, oh, Anthony has had opportunities
to show exactly how good he can be
and how much he can lead
an offense and lead a team.
So it's like, it is what it is, but they're,
they're just going to keep taking shots.
Yeah.
All right.
What's your next team, Mo?
That's fair.
All right.
So my next team is going to be the Denver Nuggets.
Sad to say, this is not really shocking whatsoever, but Jamal Murray has easily been
consistently one of the most disappointing players in the league, one of the most
disappointing players that the NBA has to offer because he has a chance to do something special
with one of the greatest, people keep on saying it might be one of the greatest
offensive players at all time. No, like Nicole Yolich is one of the greatest offensive players
of all time. He's in all types of conversations. Don't care what names you put up. He can look them in
the eye when it comes to what he is offensively. And you have Jamal Murray, someone who you had
the opportunity to trade away back when he was injury riddles, towards ACL and all that. But you decided
to keep him. Stay 10 toes down. Great. I love to hear that. Love to see it. And you won an NBA
championship. You did that once. I was a couple of years ago.
and Nicola Nokia since the NBA championship had done nothing but just like loved up his game even more than what it once was.
And so you have this generational player who's just stomping every defense that tries anything up against him.
Meanwhile, your sidekick, whose job is to really just be, empty the clip, hit tough shots, hit clutch shots and be ultra aggressive on that end, has looked like a shadow, a cast of himself.
on a consistent basis this season.
And so with him being this level of disappointing,
if I'm a team like Denver Nuggets,
I'm looking to trade him immediately
so you don't continue to waste any more time
and give yourself an opportunity
to maximize on Yokic's peak and prime.
He's been so disappointing.
So, that's interesting.
I didn't think that you would go there with him.
Because obviously, like, I'm with you.
I do think that he is the most disappointing.
And it's clear, I guess, like, from the outside looking in,
it's clear that he's not 100% healthy.
Is it?
I think so.
I think that he has moved very, very weird since the cap injury.
And it's been kind of clear now.
Whether or not you think that he's healthy and that stuff is gone, that's a different
conversation.
And if you think that, then I am with Mo.
You have to move on, like, immediately.
Because obviously, like, everything that you do is around Yokic and you need the pieces.
Yeah.
I think it seems, again, listen to Nuggets fans, seeing the reporting, there surely is lingering issues.
There always is with this type of stuff.
So I don't want to say that you're completely wrong, that he's not fully healthy.
I'm not going to claim he's fully healthy.
I don't know that.
Yeah.
But at a certain point, if there seems linger forever, you have to start to wonder if maybe these are injuries that just have a permanent impact on your athleticism and this is just going to be who you are.
And if that's the case you guys are right, that I don't know what means I think you're rid of them, just because I don't know if the value is going to be anything that can make them better.
But I think it's safe to say that if he can't reach the playoff levels we saw a couple of years ago where he was playing at a top 10 point guard level, we were saying he's the best non-all-star in the league pretty clearly.
Like we were saying he's essentially another all-star.
The talking point is always Yokis never has an all-star teammate, but we know Jamal Murray can rise to that when needed.
If he can't do that, then you simply don't have a title ceiling.
And we can talk a lot about KCP going, the bench sucking, yada, yada, if Jamal Murray is not the Jamal Murray of old, the title window does not exist.
Yeah.
depth you can have all the depth that you want everything in the NBA still does come down to
can your top two players be like elite elite in the playoffs and then everybody has to fall in line
from there but that is a very big foundation that you need to have and Jamal just isn't he's just
not showing him right now yeah and I don't know what they can do to retool around that if that's
the reality if he's not going to give back the level which he might we could be wrong he could
make a see crow you never know but if he can't you don't have a ton of young assets to be frank
the pick situation
it obviously gets better
over a year as they replenish
but they've made trades
their second apron team
there's limited flexibility
to go out and get
a true second star
unless a miraculous deal
happens and a team
just really wants
Jamal Murray
I don't have a ton of hope
for this problem changing
anytime soon
I agree
the only hope is
Jamal Murray
getting it together
and being the
demar Murray of the old
yeah
all right so is my turn now
yes it is
once again
let's talk about a guy
who is no we've done a lot of team a lot of disappointing players on here
who just like aren't we've mentioned a lot of players who are just having cold shooting stretches right
that that's disappointing they're playing below their obvious previous expectations
I want to talk about a guy who's playing exactly at his previous levels and has not gotten
better in any meaningful way offensively that is jalen green
jason green is a disappointment for the rockets because it coming after the end of last year
when he had his annual insane March and April,
we were like, listen, man,
I don't think this is going to be the case.
I don't think he's $6.5.5.000 of Mitchell now,
but I think there may be a world
where he's somewhere in between
that some of these skills that are developing
can carry over to next year,
and maybe he can be the second star
that they're paying him to be in some capacity.
He has done none of that same stuff.
That stretch where he averaged
damn near 30 for that month
is because his three-point shot was absolutely insane,
and because of that,
people had to respect them,
and he'd be able to get to the room
really well coming off of that. And the whole offensive package really started to click because
he could not goddamn miss from three. He is back to shooting the exact same averages he shot
last year, the year before that and the year before that at 34% from three. And that's really
what he needs to be a star. He should do a little bit better at the rim, which is cool. His
athleticism is helping there. And he's defending better. So he's made some strides and he's a part
of why they're so good. He's not selling them. But there's games where he gets hot and he goes
with 30 because his three-point shot is falling. And in those games, you see a brief little
glimpse of what this Rockies team could be with an elite off the dribble shooting threat
next to Alper in Sangoon. And you're like, oh my God, if they had March Jalen Green for a whole
year, they would be ridiculous because that skill set is exactly what this team needs.
And his inability to do that consistently on a night and night out basis has to be the biggest
disappointment for a team that otherwise is going really, really well.
We should have made this episode a year ago.
because that's that's that's what I did the same shit that's that's what I consolidated all of my
disappointment for Jalen Green because it's the same like you said it's the same thing year in
and year out of what you want to see from Jalen rather than what you are getting from him on a
consistent basis and so for me I'm not that disappointed I am more vindicated you are who I
thought you and and that's that's it I think for them I think I would be more
disappointed at Reed Shepard because he was the contingency plan in case Jalen
Green did the same thing that he does over and over and Reed Shepard is not looking good.
Reed Shepard is not showing you flashes and that's for me.
That's the more worrying thing if I'm the Rockets because this like damn like I had two chances
to get a guard and right now it looks like that's still going to be a whole moving forward.
But yeah, I'm just I'm never going to pick a rookie on this type of list but I know what you're
saying like yeah we all have high hopes of read so it'd be nice to see.
him come up on a hotter rate but yeah it's a rookie guard shit it's the same thing sometimes it becomes
sometimes it becomes trey young you never know but it's hard to it's hard to like trust in the rookie
guard like reed shepherd who's naturally like you said schooer trey young or whatever rookie guards just get
off to a tough time in general it's hard to want to give him that opportunity to get over those
bumps on the road when you have preferably i'm in thompson tarry easton and all these guys
playing the best team basketball for the Houston Rockets that they've seen since the James
Sardner. It's so hard to want to give Re-Separd that opportunity and be like, okay, it's okay,
like play through it. There's no such thing that's play through it. Why? Because they're winning
right now. Yeah. So the Rockets most used lineup by far over 600 minutes is their starting lineup.
That is Fred Van Vellee, Jalen Green, Dylan Brooks, Jabari Smith, and Alperin-Sengun. That lineup has a
114 offensive rating and 103 defensive rating. So plus nine. Very good, right? We know
It's because of that defensive rating is ridiculous
The offense is like a little bit below average
Their second most used lineup
It's the same five starters
Except you swap out Jalen Green for amend Thompson
That lineup has played a little bit over 100 minutes
So not the biggest sample size in the world
But it's their second most used lineup
Wow man that team is plus 36
They have a 128 offensive rating
And a 91 defensive rating
By doing nothing
991 is ridiculous
128 is even stupider
That's it.
128 offensive rating is ridiculous, unsustainably good, obviously.
But listen, you swap out Jalen Green for your best bench player and you become the best
defense in the NBA, bar none, and your offense looks better.
Again, it won't be, it won't sustain to that level.
It won't be plus 36 all season that's out as asinine.
But it matches what we've seen so far.
You know that it looks like the writing's on the wall.
Ryan might be on the wall right there.
God damn right it does.
Amend Thompson is coming, man.
just might have found a clue for me right there.
Okay, bar.
Yeah, man.
We'll see.
Jalen Green has made developments.
He's better at the rim, and the defense has been noticeably better.
So I'm not here to say, ha, ha, Jalen Green, you stink.
It's, ha, your three-point shot kind of stink.
And I need that to be the saving grace of this offense.
Okay.
Okay.
That's tough.
That's tough.
You know who also stinks?
Who?
Market Smart for the Memphis Grizzlies.
Okay.
They hate that man.
They hate that man.
The other day, they were in the end-season tournament.
Now they're limited, of course.
I don't want to say thanks to Marcus Smart because there was a few other things.
Yeah, NBA Cup.
There you go.
My bad.
Get it right.
The Ambrates, the NBA Cup.
Show some fucking respect.
Show some respect to our corporate overlords.
Exactly.
All right, you're right.
Respect oil money.
Point is, Marcus Smart.
threw away. It felt like he threw away the game in multiple occasions, and it's not
only this specific game that I'm over here bringing his name upon. It's basically throughout
the entirety of the season, the entirety of the season for the Memphis. He's been nothing
but disappointing. Going back to what you're similar to what you said about Janeline Green and
his inconsistency from the three-point line, Marcus Smart has been nothing but that throughout
his entire NBA career outside of maybe one or two years where he was just like, okay.
He's not giving you much on that end.
Defensively, like, he is a playmaker,
and when being a defensive playmaker,
that comes with, like, being risky
and making boneheaded plays,
when you're trying to be witty and all that other stuff,
hasn't worked out on that end as well.
He's been pretty much an absolute zero for this team,
and I haven't looked at the stats yet,
but I'm sure the minutes that he's playing are absolutely disgusting,
and it looks like all Memphis Grizzies fans out there
want him out of the town immediately.
he's by far the most disappointing player yeah when he's on the court they currently have a
117 offense and 110 defense so they're one in those minutes by nature of the memphis grisies
being fucking fantastic but his on-off numbers they are two points worse than him on the court
checks out so you know he's just surrounded by great players on a great team so he's not going to
be this like disgusting catapulting black hole that ruins him but he's not making him better like
they hoped right the idea was to have this ability to have a lockdown defender next to
John Morant and also be a backup point guard.
And part of its injuries, but part of it is just the three-point shooting that he saw in 2019
has consistently gone worse every year.
He's not getting any more athletic.
He's getting old.
He's getting old.
Yeah.
You just said his three-point shot from 2019.
That was five years ago.
That's a prime, right?
That's a good amount of time.
That being said, to stream to the Lakers.
We need a defensive guard.
It's safe Marcus Sports.
Did everybody?
Donovan, he got next.
Let's go to Detroit.
And let's go to a guy who...
We didn't forget you guys this time.
Last time we needed underrated players, we forgot about you.
We got you this time.
I know I was in Detroit because I would have forgot him again.
Yeah, you probably would.
I should have you to trade me.
But every time I watch the Pistons, I'm always left saying,
man, Jalen Dern is getting on my nerves.
because Jalen Dern has not expanded his offensive game.
Jalen Duren has not improved his defensive game.
And it has led him getting, you know, less minutes.
Shout out to J.B. Biggestap for seeing him play,
seeing him not improve on the things that they need him to improve
and saying, I'm not going to do what Moni Williams did.
I'm not going to keep you out on the floor for as long as it is.
You can still be out here because you can do some things,
but you're not taking the steps.
forward. You are not progressing the way that we need to. And for the Pistons who are obviously
in a rebuild, just want to see young players. Jalen Duren should be a guy who every year you see
something. And it's just not, it's just not there. It's not clicking. And so he is the most
disappointing player on the Pistons. People like him because he has like, or attacks for him
because he's like swole as hell and dunk for hard. So people assume he's like really good.
You know, he got Dwight comparisons early last year. And you mentioned hasn't expanded his
offensive game. I don't even
fucking care about the offensive
game. He can just be running Duck Mountain his whole career.
The defensive effort and
IQ and ability to make
smart pick and roll coverage reads has just
not developed at all. And Isaiah Stewart
oddly enough has been fantastic defensively
after being dog ass last year
when he's playing power forward. He's moved back to center
and he's been a saving grace to them. He has been
exceptional defensively. Yeah.
I agree. I agree. When it comes
to Dylan Duren, like
okay, you have Oracle, you can get away
and steal NBA minutes.
But if you're going to have ORA and you're not going to play defense, you might want to work on your offensive game, okay?
You're not going to do that.
You're not going to have a little shot.
Your passing is a little interesting, but bro, you're jailing during.
No one's ever going to prioritize that.
Let's be real.
What is the point of you starting on my team?
If I want you starting on my team, that means that I want the number one overall pick.
The pistons are past that rebuilding phase right now.
They're trying to get things together and build some self-respect for each other.
they've done a for their organization and they've done a fantastic job this entire season they aren't
they aren't embarrassing they aren't the washington wizards they're not the utahs that's
so actually a team that you got to be like oh shit like they're kind of irritating to play against
and jane d's he's he's the anchor on this team holding them down in the worst ways possible
bro yeah i mean okay i'm not i'm not you guys been real extreme with your hate today what do we
I think Jalen Duren is still
I think Jalen Duren shouldn't be
He shouldn't be given up on
Because I think he has the potential
And athleticism that if you can let him develop
And hopefully get him average defensively
You just think he's sexy
No, it's the tools
Oh my God
Hey man, he's hot
What can I say?
If he can be
Confident defensively
Literally a same
There's a reason they're still playing Jalen Green
Because if you can get them competent
At their weaknesses
The strengths can be huge
And if they can make him a decent defender
That man can dunk a basketball
It'd be nice if they could play them enough.
No, these guys go to practice.
They start biting their lips and the coach is like, all right, you got it.
Like, I'm not, I'm, no, I don't, I don't have, the same way that I don't have much hope for Jalen Greeter.
I don't think that I am super optimistic is the word that Jail Lerner will end up being, you know, the, the idealized version of what, of what he can be.
And so seeing that and just like,
said they're not they're not in phase one of the rebuild they're in phase two where you actually want to
start being respectful winning games you need people to start taking those steps forward and now it's
more of just like oh let's see you know what you can do and then we can build around it no we kind of
have a vision and you need to fit into it and you need to start doing some things and he's not so that's why
yeah yeah you're you guys are right i'm just like they should probably see it through a little more
and like see if he can develop because the potential's there but i don't
I'm going to believe you for not being optimistic. It's not going well.
Yeah. I can never be a gym.
So you got, you got one and a half years.
And I'm calling people up. What can I get more?
I see what they want to see out of him. But yeah, you guys are right. It hasn't been pretty so far.
I will see you, Jalen Green. Will I see it through? No, but I will see you on that bench.
Absolutely.
I wonder how it feels to be somebody like Jalen Dern and like somebody sent you this clip and
these guys are like, yeah, your defense is not good right now.
I'm worried, but they're also like, you're kind of hot.
But you're also sexy.
I mean, you know, when is a win, you know what I'm saying?
I mean, I can only do what I can, you feel me?
You think I'm hot?
Oh, my God.
Rushing the way.
You know the playbook.
You know the movie.
okay what am i going to do next let me see i'll knock out two at once all right okay first one i'm
gonna say yeah i'm gonna get over with real fast and how much to say about him kail kuzma you're playing
like piss and i like kai kai kuzma a lot i like kow kuzma a lot but god damn has he been
detrimental to the wizards it's okay because they're tanking so detriment is welcomed around that
town but he missed a first few games and man that ball was moving ball cool a ball you look great
jordan pool looked great kisper was doing his thing everybody was looking at
and fantastic.
He comes back.
He shoots 27% from three since he came back,
is dominating the ball,
getting his touches because he wants to be Kyle Kuzzo
and put up his numbers,
be a score.
That's what he'd get paid to do.
So I understand he wants to assert that.
The shot's not going in.
He went from having 4.2 assists
per game last year to 1.9 this year.
He's not passing well.
He's not scoring well.
He's not defending well.
He's not rebounding well.
He's not doing Jack's shit well right now.
But he also has 2.4 turnovers.
More turnovers than assists.
That is the sign of a bad basketball player.
Cal Coulouse was not that. He'll be better. But right now, for these first 20 games, he has been a bad basketball player. And I'm sure he'd be the first one to admit that.
Kyle Cousman, I think you've been playing fantastic basketball. I like what you're doing. I told you what the goal is. The goal is to get Cooper Flagg and you've been trying so hard to go ahead and do so far. Isaac, you are wrong. Isaac, your analysis is Dogwater, dog shit.
Those match are skewed. They're not real. They're fake. I swear to God they are. Kyle Cusman, keep on.
And it annoys me because he's a guy that I want to put into trade talks to put on a good team because he's a big wing that can do some.
things with the ball. But if he's not going to be shooting the three well and he's going
to be a black hole offensively, why the fuck would you trade for him right now? So maybe he wants
to stay in Washington like when you could have gone to Dallas last year. Maybe he's
tanking a stock on purpose. I think he's just trying to, I think if you're a team, this could
easily be a trade that you just simply have to see through and buy in that yeah, like everything
just sucks over there. They're starting two rookies and Alex Sahar and also Bubb who's like having
they're both having okay rookie season
shout out to them
I'm at the seat if I'm a team
if I'm a contender
who needs some type of gap filled in
or some type of sixth man or whatever
I'm 110% like getting off
like as low as as as as as least as possible
for some of Macawkusen.
Okay yeah we'll keep the Okieucus in one brief
he just needs to play better
that's clear day
all right let's talk about another one that is
serious that this is something
we actually have to think about
serious players standing in the league
Oh, wow.
What is wrong with Bam out of bio this year?
Oh, my gosh.
Tell me that, because he is,
the Miami Heat are full of disappointments.
Jimmy Butler looks like he's taking a step back,
but I won't give him the title
because he's getting old.
It's fine.
That happens.
Bam out of bio looks awful.
And this is a player that we have all been high on.
We've put him high in the center rankings.
We've said after those three superstars,
he might be the next guy up.
He's number four, five at worst.
He has played nothing like a top ten center right now,
at least offensively.
I don't have a strong feel for the defense.
Maybe that's still being DPO Y levels.
Miami Heat fans, you tell me.
So great.
Offensively, what the fuck is he cooking offensively?
It makes no sense.
Two and a half years ago when he had his best offensive scoring year in 2022,
50% of his shots came from the rim,
37% came from Florida range and 12% on long-made range jumpers.
No threes, right?
We know this year he's really added some threes.
That's kind of been a two-year transition.
Fast forward a few years later this year,
18% of his shots come from three, up from zero.
So that's a pretty, you know, that makes sense.
we'd like to see him stretch the floor a little bit, right?
Tell me those nasty sets.
I know you got him.
But where the fuck did those shots come from?
You would think he's turning long mid-range jumpers
into threes doing the smart,
efficient thing that every big man has done
in the modern NBA?
Tell me about his touch.
Please tell me now.
Why would he?
Why would he do that?
Instead, he's shooting 38% of his shots at the rim now.
He's down over 12%.
He's not getting to the rim.
He's taking almost all of his shots
from Florida range and long mid-range
jumpers and a little bit of threes.
And he is shooting piss from those spots.
He's shooting his career work.
First, 58% of the rim, down from 70.
He's shooting 35% on floater range,
despite that being where majority of his shots come from.
Every time he gets the ball down low,
he doesn't want to use assertive athleticism
to dunk on people to get into dunker spot range as anything.
He wants to hit his flutter game,
and he wants to be modern-day David West,
modern-day Lamarcus Aldridge,
do this little mid-range game
where you get these tough shots off
because I'm assuming he thinks that'll help him
have longevity as a score.
He can do that for a long time
and not be reliant on his athleticism.
Make sense in theory,
but if you're going to suck at those shots,
I suggest you get down low
and dunk that fucking ball
because that is what you're really athletic
and really good at
and it is not going well
with this soft-ass jump shot approach.
Yeah, tell him to be big
and get in the paint.
Let's please.
I love that.
I love that.
Put your shoulder in somebody's chest,
god damn it.
Use that wingspan.
If I don't see a drop step
a night, please.
Please.
Now, yeah, I don't, I don't know.
It's very weird
because like I we've talked this whole episode about guys who have had bad shooting seasons but it's been from three
I can't remember off the top of my head guys who have like bad shooting seasons from the rim and they just like lose their they like you lose your touch and then all of a sudden it comes back so that loki is kind of worrying to me that that bam isn't shooting well at at the rim and like I don't yeah I don't I don't have a great grasp of
as to, like, what, like, the pinpoint thing it is that's causing him to miss all these
layouts.
I just know that every time I watch the end, he's missing these bunnies.
Something I'll say is that the Miami's offense in general is absolutely disgusting.
Like, they are one of the, they try to feast when it comes to the mid-range game.
Three-pointers, they've been trying as a late, and it's just not been working out for them
obviously over the last few years, might I say.
And so this team overall just sucks their game plan, sucks. They're all in the mud.
Eric Spoltsch is still in my mind. He's worldly renowned as one of the better coaches,
head coaches in the NBA so far this year. It hasn't been a great display of that.
And when he isn't on his piece and cues and the shot diet is just not adding up in the big year,
2024. And then on top of that, too, your best player in Bam out of bio, someone who's supposed to, you know,
take the reins from Jimmy Butler isn't performing as well. It's a quick product.
And that's what...
I think I have an idea what it is.
What is it?
I think.
I don't know who trainer is, but I bet he has one.
And I bet it's on some Drew Handling shit.
And I bet he spent all summer working on, pull up jumpers, doing those hangpools.
And I bet he came into the season with that as a large part of his priority to get better as a jump shooter.
Like I said, to prolong that longevity and build that out of his game.
And when you spend all summer working on something, you want to pull that shit out in the game.
and it's been just too much
he hasn't found that balance
it's okay to prioritize
becoming a better shooter
and working on that
but not at the detriment of your strengths
and that's been the biggest problem
as well as the Miami Heat
as well as the Miami Heat
just having nobody
to set up open rim shots for him
so he has to get it out of the mud
and create the shots by himself
and he just doesn't have that type of skill set
he needs to be finishing pick and roll lobs
and stuff like that to get to the rim
if he's creating face-up opportunities
he's gonna be taking jumpers
because it's not blown by people
you're setting us up right now
Because Drew Hanlon been on these internet streets fighting for his life the entire time.
Oh, he saved Janus.
Shouted Drew Hanlon.
He made Janus a goon this year.
Yonis is a mid-range demon because Drew Hanlon was in his back.
And Alpsom positivity.
I love it.
Drew Hanlon, we're not coming for you.
In fact, I would like to get in the lab with you soon.
Yeah, let's get him all right.
Maybe he should get in the lab at Bam.
Apparently, Bam needs saving his mid-range jumper right now.
So Drew Hanlon, hit him up, please.
Yeah.
Please.
I agree.
I agree.
All right.
Dude, okay, so I have a few teams here that are kind of irrelevant in terms of who's the most disappointing player.
Few of them.
I'll go ahead and just write them off.
The Charlotte Hornets, how can I say anybody is really disappointing?
The Mellow Ball is currently out within dreams having the season of his goddamn life right now.
If you want to say Brandon Miller is disappointing, disappointing, eh, cool.
I think you start off a little bit slow, but really, signs are there.
They're just a team that has a lot of gray areas.
He might be it, though.
Okay, next team, the Chicago Bulls.
The Chicago Bulls are the Chicago Bulls.
No one has any real expectations for these players.
Nikola Wutchevich playing good basketball.
Zach Levine doing the same thing.
Josh Gitties being productive.
Who is disappointed on this team?
If you want to say Patrick Williams,
cool.
He's shooting like sub 40% from the field as a power forward.
That is absolutely disgusting.
No one cares.
Okay.
Yeah.
Okay.
So let the segment be the ones,
the teams who don't have a clear disappointment.
and let's let's speed run through these
I have the spurs
who I think also don't really have
a disappointing player
Jeremy someone got hurt
that sucks
that's kind of disappointing
Wemby has been fantastic
of the last 15 games especially
he's shooting over 40%
and 3 on ridiculous volume
not a disappointment
Chris Paul has been great
for his standards
at this point of his career
not a disappointment
Harrison Barnes has been shooting the three wall
not disappointment
Vesel came back
he's been shooting the shit out of the ball
not a disappointment
like things are going well
maybe there's some bench players
that fans are pissed off at
I don't know how they feel about Malachi Brandom right now, whatever, but overall, I don't have
anything to pinpoint for the Spurs.
Okay.
Nice.
I think for me, the, the Cavs, I don't see, I don't see anybody as being like a massive disappointment
for the Cavs.
Like, I know, I know DeMitt hasn't been like, you know, best shooting guard in the league, you
know, like it hasn't looked the same.
But I watched, I watched them and I watched the way that they performed.
I watched the way that he's playing.
And it doesn't seem like a massive disappointment.
So that's why I'm not going to give them anybody.
And then for the Celtics, I put down Jalen Brown, but I don't really feel like it's
kind of the same thing.
I don't feel like Jalen Brown has been a massive disappointment.
He isn't shooting the ball particularly well, but he's also doing some things better.
Like Jalen Brown's getting to the free throw line like seven times a game, which is huge.
Yeah, it's a huge.
It's a massive upgrade.
So you can, you can either say Jalen Brown on that.
Sam Houser, you got your whiteboard chain sats by Peyton Pritcher.
Like he's the guy now.
like maybe if you want to go there but but yeah for the captain the Celtics there's really nobody
on those rosters so i'm like yeah you guys just thinking it up okay okay and that's a little speed run
i got another one one more the brooklyn nets no one cares brooklyn netts no one cares
brooklyn netts yeah everybody everything's going well for these teams either well or two
expectations so it's not that we don't care about your team many those things are good
many of those teams are interesting it's just in terms of disappointing nothing to
say yeah yeah exactly nothing's really disappointing okay which again if you're ever going to get
written off on an episode this is the one this is the one where it's okay exactly don't be upset
your team is either like met expectation or like no one's really has like or exceeded you know you
can't you could put the playing game on nobody that's cool so how many how many i've i've i've
have three teams left i have a few more left i have a few more left and a player that i want to talk
about next okay belongs on the oklahoma city thunder again it's hard to point to anyone
being disappointing
but if there is one
he sticks out on
like a sore thumb
on one end specifically
and it's obviously
Alex Caruso
his shooting has
like been evaporated
I don't know what has happened
I don't know what juice
I don't know what like
black magic juice is out
he can't score anymore
he can't score for anything
his offensive chops
has like completely evaporated
or it's like
pass his head boy got sucked up
now he's awful
I don't know what happened to you
They had sucked Alex Cruz
My boy got trained, man
They don't slurped his powers
Isaac, I know you got the numbers for me
Do you have Alex Cruz those offices stats?
No, but they're bad, I'm sure.
I'll pull them up.
I'm sure they're disgusting.
Last time I took you shoot
like 20-some percent from the three-point line
and over the last few games, I'm sure that they did not improve whatsoever.
Oh, 21% from 3, 15% from the non-corner 3s, 30% from mid-range,
62% at the rim, which is down a little bit, but not terrible.
41% overall effective field goal percentage.
This is a non-threat as a score.
That's what that is.
That is a guy who is doing absolutely nothing for you offensively.
At least it's a score.
We know he's a good passer and keeps the ball moving well.
He's the guy that the box score never tells the full story of Alex Caruso,
which maybe is a little bit of nerd cope.
but he needs to shoot
at least a decent
at least average
or at least a little bit
below average
not non-existent threat
now tell me
real quick
while Moe's talking
Isaac can you tell me
or can you look up
what Josh Giddy
was shooting last season
dog ass as well
but better than that
better than that
he saw actually well
quote unquote well
but those stats are so fake
he had 52%
effective football percentage
34% from 3
and 60% at the rim
so below average from 3
opposed to nothing at all
Granted his defense is piss
And Alex Caruso is still an elite defender
So I'd still rather have Caruso
But yeah
This team
We thought they were gonna push
Fucking 70 games
Win 65 because they had
Iheart and Chet in the back
And Caruso
As this lockdown guard adding to this team
Their white ball rotation was dangerous
It was the deepest as week
And sadly those white boys have been broken
All those white boys have been sucked
Chet has his fucking
pelvic is broken that's crazy
Alice Caruso's hurt now
it wasn't performing well
this team is still at one seed
but we're kind of be wrong
but breaking white more is the O KC man
break
Collison your only saving grace
please fix it what has happened
it's a little bit disappointing
it's a little bit disappointing that we've been robbed
to this insane season
but with that being said they will be fucking fine
Caruso will shoot better
the bigs will get healthy at some point it doesn't matter
but what could have been
could have been historic
yeah exactly
I agree.
Okay, what's my next one?
Next one I'll do.
McHale Bridges for the New York Knicks
has not been worth six first round picks.
When this trade was happened,
Donovan was hype.
He was, oh, let's go.
New York Knicks basketball Knicks tape.
And I was like, I like it.
I won't rent on your parade.
But I think I told you they gave up a lot.
I was like, this is a lot of picks
that value-wise, it does not make sense
even a little bit.
It's outrageous.
for a role player.
But I understand it because they're so close
that you have to overpay to get over that
to hit that next little nudge
to get to the championship level.
It makes sense to overpay
when you know that overpay will make you them.
And it has been.
They're the top offensive league for the last two weeks.
They're running it up offensively.
They're good.
Number one offensive league.
Now that we know they did the cat trade though,
it makes this trade look a lot less essential.
Because we thought, okay, you overpay
because you need a little bit of talent injection.
You got it.
Then you got it again with Kat.
So it makes it seem like you maybe didn't need to give up all this picture,
Mikhail Bridges, who the whole selling point was that we can get his defense back to the levels it was with the Phoenix Suns when he was not just good, not just great, not just very great.
He was third and defensive player of the year voting.
You know how outrageous it is to be a wing defender and be third in DPOI voting?
That shit does not happen ever.
He was amazing defensively.
We commonly came up on the show and called him the best role player in the goddamn league.
Then he went to the Brooklyn Nets
Got a little big for his britches
He started taking a lot of shots
Being the one option
Abandoned defensive intensity altogether
And we thought maybe he would come back
This year with a smaller role in the Knicks
We'd see some kind of hybrid
Where the offensive skill set he gained
Would make him better than that end
But the defense would return a little bit
And kind of have him be even
Has not happened
Their defense is not particularly good
When he was expected to be the guy to make it great
So that's a little bit disappointing
No man I hate the Nets
I hate the Nets
I hate the Nets
They sucked up McKale's D
now he can't stop anybody it's ridiculous
why did they suck of his d
i hate the nets man
he's shooting 46% on corner three
if he's in the corner and he's standing like this and he shoots it's a bucket
but if he shoots a non-corner three it's a brick every time
unless it's a fade away he's killing the fair ones
there you go he's not getting to the rim at all either
which might be by design of the offense a career low 50s
percent of his shots so he's been great for mid-range like he always is that's been nice that
part has carried over from the you know the development he had with the brooklyn nets but he you
have to have the wing duo of ogy and macaille be great defensively for this team to win a
championship the fact that's never going to happen again i think we can write off mcale bridge's
defense it's never going to come back so this is a very good team that's hard to imagine them
hanging with the boston celtics yeah i just don't want i just don't want to talk about it
All right, we can move on.
However, I'm going to stay in my sadness a little bit because I want to talk about another
guy who is near and near to my heart.
We're going to talk about how Bobby Portis is one of the most disappointing players on the Milwaukee Bucks.
And listen, over the off season, I put him kind of high in our power forward rankings.
And I was only off of vibes.
And I was out of lawyers because I love Bobby Portis.
And as somebody who is one of who's on the leadership committee of the Bobby Portis fan
club i have to do this to me i have to let him know you're not you're not playing well uh but
listen damn it bobby i mean the defense is just awful it's just it's just nothing you know
like he just can't guard anybody and there's so many times where shit the offense isn't there either
listen nothing's there nothing's there and if the if the bucks weren't a second apron team
who had limited resources to go out and get everybody and didn't have to go and find brand new
know, point of attack defenders and somebody who can cover up for Dane, they probably would
have spent one of those assets on getting a Bobby Porter's replacement. But they are stuck
with Bobby Portis and they have to keep playing him. But if this was a serious, serious team,
he's unplayable. He's not like that. Yeah, I, Bucks fans hate him with all their heart. It's
like comical because he used to be like a fan darling. And there's some games where he gets like
cheered from the crowd at the game because they so love him. But people on Twitter are like,
the fuck are you idiots watching he's playing so bad why are you cheering like yeah he got like so much
yeah he got cheered last night and that's honestly the best part about the bobby for this experience
because he got into some like scuffle i forgot with i think it was with with uh risha shay um it was
one of them light skins tangled up bobby and you know they went they weren't they were falling
into the stands and then the whole crowd was like bobby yeah like he was about to fight
That's the best part about the Bobby Portis experience at this point,
is that he might win the fight, and that's it.
But as for basketball, it's not looking good.
You know what else is, oh, go ahead.
No, I don't got shit to say.
No, okay, cool.
You know what else I don't got you to say about?
The Philadelphia is 76ers.
They got nobodies.
When he comes to talking about disappointment, bro, you could say MB is not there,
not playing.
What else is there to say?
I'm going to say MB.
Let's talk about that.
No, it's not write that off.
We haven't really, we referenced it.
Let's talk about the-
I'm gonna say PG-G-G-G-G-Bin-pick.
Sure.
Yeah, PG's spot-bine-pick.
Yeah.
I think Joellen, we might have reached the end
of the Joelan B. Prime.
I think that hasn't been confirmed,
but it feels like we're getting to that point
where the injuries are stacking up,
and he's, you know,
just think about the timeline of what's happened.
We referenced it in the past few episodes,
how disappointed it is. He's out again. He came back, wasn't that good, went out again immediately.
We haven't really unpacked the big picture thing here. He played in the Olympics, and immediately
after it was reported that he's dealing with an injury. Made it seem like he probably shouldn't
have been playing in the goddamn Olympics, especially coming off of a playoff arm where he wasn't
healthy to begin with. As soon as that was reported, it was real, real quiet kept about how
severe this injury is. And out of nowhere, before the season started, we were like, oh, he's
actually going to miss the entire beginning of the season, and we don't know for how long.
He comes back, obviously, after not having a training camp at all and being injured all summer, looks garbage.
How could he not?
He's coming back from so much rust, and he is a rhythm-based player.
Then immediately gets hurt again, like three games after, you know, when these players like this have these injury issues, they fight through for their whole career, think about Brandon Roy, think about Greg Oden, think about Yao Ming, Tracy McGrady, all these guys.
I think Tracy McGrady is a good example, where there's a few big injuries, it happens, they get robbed, they come back, and they come back, and, and they come back.
you know, to kind of rinse and repeat and get to themselves,
once they reach the end of this cycle,
their body breaking down,
they quickly get to the point where they're injured every five seconds
and can't stay on the court.
Same thing happened with Derek Rose.
He had two major ones, came back,
and then like the third year after that,
every five seconds were injured.
I fear that we maybe reached that point with Joel and Bede
and it sucks because he was so underappreciated in his prime
for all the reasons we've talked about on the show for years.
I fear the era domination might be over.
Okay.
that was a lot to say that was a lot to say i'm not going to go to that extent when it comes to
i'm scared i'm scared like you're scared when he comes to his prime being officially over but i can
i wholeheartedly understand for all your for all your reasons good points but i need to see him
ill i need to see him on the court in order and i need to see the effects of those injuries
genuinely slowing him down for an extended period of time and sadly like that's a problem you're
not going to see him on the court that's the issue that's the issue but eventually whenever it does
happen maybe in february when he's on the court on a consistent basis and if he has like a
15 game stretch of just not looking then that not looking like that guy i'm ringing the bells of
horror because at that point like it might actually be over and if it's over at that point then
like you have to look at oh shit we just gave this guy paul george who's like 35 years old
a fucking insane bag and now the main hub of our offense and defense isn't even like
that guy anymore, it's over.
You're cooked. Now, they still do have
Jeremy McCain. Amazing. Love the vibes.
Love the energy. Still do have Tyre's
Maxie. Love the vibes.
Love the energy again. Both, again,
are bundles of joys. But
the
storm that Joel Embed
is, no matter
how happy Tyre's Albert and Jeremy Kane
may make you, like they cannot
like overshine outshine
what Joel and Billet is at all.
Yeah. Again, and
I'm not saying I seen him be cooked.
I'm saying I fear he is cooked and I sense the pattern arising that happens a lot
with players at this stage.
He's 30.
And I know we've seen a lot of guys have crazy longevity.
We have not seen a lot of guys that have his size and his style of play and his injury
issues have longevity.
Honestly, him making it a 30, he's had a good run.
And we're hitting that point now, he has.
That's such a lot of same as any.
no i mean like literally like the way he overcame those early injury issues and got like six
amazing years that's not that's not a given like if it's reached that point it makes sense like
we've had a long sample size that we probably took for granted as a fan base that spent those
entire six years fucking slandering him for being unlucky but i don't know if we're going to see
another 35 point per game stretch anytime soon if you hear the words he's had a good run culminated
together. Oh shit, it's fucking over, bro. There's no more turning back at all. It's over. It's so
over. I hope you're wrong. Yeah, I might be being dramatic. Well, maybe, maybe it's not as
serious, but you said the, the Rockets thing, you said, what does that sound like? The writing
on the goddamn wall. I've seen some more riding over here in Philadelphia and I don't like
the way it looks. Fear. Fear, fear, fear, fear, fear. Donovan's hate an ass, been quiet.
I know. I'm just, I'm just letting y'all. Let me give you a little bit more to hate a
about to my next team and i think this is my last team or the los angeles clippers same exact
things going on over there of course they're a little bit they're a much better of a team
led by their defense but there's no real conversation to be had other than like how like good
vibes kind of going on over there because they're overcoming the obvious in kawai lander not being
there and the same exact vibes happening philly in terms of mbeats happening over there
with kawai lander and the clippers so it's just like the right might be able to
on the wall. Yeah, I mean, first
all, I think it's been, exactly.
It's been more on the wall for
Kauai than it has been for
Embed. And I feel
I feel bad for
Clippers fans more
so than Sixers fans just because
they, yes, because they saw the run
happen. Like they saw it about
to happen.
2021 Kauai Leonard
is an extremely special.
player. It is, he, at that, at that moment, Kauai Leonard was one of, like, I feel like he had to send it to
another level, you know, above, above 2019. And the way that he was playing in that series against
the Mavericks, like that was extremely special. Also, that team got to the conference finals
without him, right? They were so solid around him. If there was ever going to be a team that made a run,
it was going to be that one. And so to see them have that level of team success and then
have koalander be hurt there that that kind of sucks and so that's that's why i feel bad for
for them whereas like for the sixers you never really had it like you never really had the dominant
joel series the dominant joel run like that so i do feel bad for for clippers fans in that sense
but you know it's funny it's kind of it's kind of it's kind of it's what's funny for the clippers
last stream we're talking about the clippers and i said i feel bad for their fans because i feel like
I feel bad for the team
because the team has gotten it out the mud so hard
when they were in such a bad situation
after Kauai got hurt
and they just pulled their bootstraps up
and just fought their way to the six seat right now
have been well about 500.
I said I feel like I feel bad for them
because these players are owed an opportunity
to contend with a healthy Kauai Leonard.
I talk about how annoyed that makes me for their fans
and how bad I feel for the players
and the team and everything.
And Donovan was like,
I don't feel bad for those bitches.
They deserve it.
I know you woke up feeling better today
because now you're talking about
you feel bad for the fans.
fans last time you were like fuck clippers fuck the fans fuck the staff i say this i said that i
feel bad for them more so than the than philly fan on a relative scale yes i feel bad if we're
talking about absolutes i don't care about them right i don't right i don't i don't it is it is what
it is but get because at the end at the end of the day they are both they're both hanging on to a
thread right that's that's all that's all that they that's all that they have no this is
i feel back to the clippers they deserve a shot they are so good right now and i respect them
yeah i did too shout out to ty lu he's one of the best coaches in the NBA i don't know i don't
know if any coach out the jimbo hardin but he said the first name person can go ahead and do
this shit bro oh you said james who harded i love that prediction that i made earlier this year
It's aging like wine
There's not a lot of my predictions
In terms of James Hardin looking
Like similar-ish
And having being like 50% of prime James Hardin
Ah
Yeah, he's definitely having a good year
For what he can give you people right now
Yeah, exactly
I have two teams left
One is the Pacers
I don't know if I feel the need to say it
We know is Tyre's Halliburton
We've had many talks about his play this year
How I am done predicting him
To become a top five point guard again
that ship has sailed.
He does some good games as of late, some get right games.
But then they're always immediately followed with another three for 15 from the field game after.
So there's some ups now.
It's not just down, but it's very much still up and down.
It's the beds, man.
You know what it is.
You said it earlier before, too, like a couple weeks ago.
It's the beds, bro.
The hotels that they'd be having him sleep at.
He got a bad back.
Too hard in his back, man.
Yeah, well, we know Tyre's Halliburton has been a disappointment for the pastures this year.
We talked about that at length.
last thing I have though is a Minnesota Timberwolves
and for them I have
Jaden McDaniels
Tell us why
Jaddeny McDaniels was paid big
A couple of a couple summers ago
We all thought you deserved it
It was like oh good deal
You lock down your young 3&D wing
Who's looking like he's developing
Into one of the best role players in the league
He was looking like a little
2021 McHill Bridges-ish
Didn't have quite the scoring impact
But we saw the skill start to develop
And we kind of said
I think he has the opportunity to take a big leap
and get more on ball chob
start to do more with that frame
do more with that defensive baseline
really develop
since then he has developed
absolutely zero
the defense is I'm sure still good
he's not quite like a Herb Jones type
locked on defender he's a little
skinnier a little easier to push around
by a Luca type so he's not like the one-on-one
lockdown but he is still a very good defender
could make an all defense team any year
whatever that hasn't gone anywhere
but offensively
there's no real
no real development he currently has his lowest rim-focal percentage since his rookie year he's not finishing well he's 40% on mid-range the lowest of his career 30% from three the lowest of his career simply put we have to stop predicting that every promising 3 in d wing that has a long wing span and is below 20 years old we have to stop predicting they're going to become stars because some of these guys can't really dribble and if you're like jimmy daniels and your handle isn't the strongest you're not going to become a high-level offensive player the development is going to stall out because you need to have a base
line good enough handle to create advantages doesn't seem like it's ever going to happen for him it'll be
great he'll be a good defender but the next level i don't think it's coming yeah it's very it's very
disappointing especially now now that like cat is not out of there and you bring julius randall in
you you knew that you were going to play a different style of basketball and you were like okay
we're getting rid of cat we're getting rid of our spacing five even though that julius randu can't hit the
three he's not a shooter like that but we have dante and you were hoping
We have Jada McDaniels, and you can have enough three-point creation.
And on top of that, when you add the fact that Anthony Edwards is going to take over 10 threes a game, yeah, we can live with that.
But when Dante is shooting bad and when Jaden is shooting bad, it leaves your offense in a place of just like meh.
And you don't really have any direction from beyond the three-point line.
So I definitely, I definitely get that of why he's the most disappointing for them.
yeah yeah he's jem mcdaniels and if you recalibrate your expectations that he's just going to be
a role player and like be a guy for your team that's part of your core but not like somebody you're
looking to to raise all tides i'm sure he's okay obviously he's to shoot better from 30% from three
that'll come around but i had a lot of stock in him really making a leap and i'm just over that
yeah i feel like when it comes to these specific role players in the same archetype as jada
McDaniels, I could always look at another situation adjacent and be like, yeah, this is the exact same thing going on just in different cities.
Keegan Murray, some people just simply buy too much stock into what this offensive player could be, whatever peak version of that, and they surpass what he is right now because of like the tantalizing opportunity and potential that they might have.
So because of the youth and the signs and flashes they're able to show once in a while.
You know, so we just, we need to start looking at these young players, specifically wings,
as what they are versus what they could be a lot more often.
Yeah, and I mean, I don't really forgot about it.
Could have been right.
It wasn't.
Sometimes it's a Michael Bridges, and he does develop into offensive player.
Sometimes they don't, you know, is what it is.
Fair.
All right.
I got two teams left.
I have two teams left.
One of the Phoenix Suns.
We are going to talk, not for a long time, but use of Nirkage.
Hey man
Usen Nargid to be pissing me off too
I was like
You watch you watch him
And there are just nights where he just does not have it
He does not have it as a finisher
He does not have it as a defender
You can see it on the floor
Kevin Durapy get mad at him sometimes
Right?
Making KD act out of character
And he's done some things to try and be
You know more effective
He's stressed out his
His offensive game
He takes more three
but at the same time he's seven feet tall he shoots like 50 something from the ring it's not
it's not great and there's just him being there at the five limits them to a certain extent
and if they had somebody else there who can maximize either one of the skills either be an actual
like plus offensive player or a plus defensive player the sons would go to the move but that's
you know that's kind of they had zubotch they
would be on they they could be in the finals if they had too much they'd be they yeah they'd be
legitimately they'd be as good as the thunder if they had zubatch uh i wouldn't go that far but
they'd be close they'd be as good i will i will i will say that if they had it somebody who
can actually defend the room yes they would they would be that good with this with this with this
court with this court and the way that budalha has them playing and if everybody's healthy
granted that's that's a big ass because katie once again is hurt however power rankings
I would I would I would like that
But yeah but you said
He's been cooked for a while and it's it's kind of clear
And he has flashes he has some games where you know
It looks okay
Most of most of the time he's not doing
Things the way that you want him to
And then my last team the Dallas Mavericks
I'm going
Listen he doesn't play a lot a lot
But I'm more magically but just because
The just because the mavericks are once again
In talks and trying to find like a backup four
and another backup you know big and you like they've been trying to fill this hole for so long
and you've had this guy like trying to play in that role and he's just not living up to what
they needed so now you have to go and make another deal and give up more access to go and find
this piece so for me i would go there i thought about clay he's fine it's like it's not as great
as you want but it's not the hate so bad no no it's it's just like not he's not as bad
in a cold stretch is what it is yeah and like and some of the stuff that he does like he's still
his gravity still means some some stuff to that to that offense so even if he's not knocking down
shots or if he looks a little bit hesitant that's something that i've seen a lot of mass fans talk
about you know like his unwillingness to shoot the ball sometimes he's still creating good looks for
other people so it's not he's not a disappointing player yeah i think the mavs is by the nature
of how glaring that hole as you mentioned cleba has to be it p j washington is
like their most important player right now besides Luca
when he's healthy they're dominant
when he's not that hole is
exasperated and they just desperately miss
that athleticism at the four on both
ends you got to get somebody behind
him because at any point he can turn
an ankle and your playoff run could be over because you can't
win without him yeah
p.J. Washington's defense feels so good
been great
with steel man and I think
I think that's every team
and I think that means that we are heading into
TikTok time
The first TikTok time in December, here we go, bro.
Let's do this shit.
I'm ready.
Oh, I just realized you're wearing the hat because it's the first week of December.
I didn't even like that.
Oh, yeah, that never clicked.
You guys don't have to know a goddamn holiday spirit, bro.
It's crazy, bro.
I ain't in front of this country.
What?
I'm big Christmas.
No, not really.
I was expecting the Christmas tree or at least some lights for you, Isaac.
Ain't nothing.
I'm not even from this country.
I don't even celebrate this holiday.
And I got this hat on my head, bro.
I do this for the real years out here.
Happy Hanukau, whatever.
You're from Atlanta.
Happy, happy Kwanza.
Hey.
Happy Kwanza.
Let's go to TikTok time.
Welcome to TikTok time.
We're going to start with the draft.
Okay.
This time, we're going to do a draft of NBA players who never made the finals.
I think in the past we've done who didn't win a finals, but now there's people who haven't even made one.
Never got there?
Never got there.
It eliminates some of the popular.
picks like you know James Harder and Chris Paul Barclay they at least made it once or twice
these guys are all right even close I got the first pick you do the draft order is Donovan
mojo 99 me oh see this is this is interesting this is very interesting because I don't know
where I want to go it is a tough one of the first pick on because there's no like there's a lot of
good players yeah a lot a lot of good players now you're on the spot you got to do it where
we're going with the first pick of the no finals appearances
his draft.
Listen, man, you know me.
Give me Victor Wenimama.
First pick.
At my center.
At my center.
Oh, my God.
All right.
Okay.
All right.
Go for it.
I am put in the worst position in this draft.
Easily.
I don't know why I'm set up to be this way, but I guess the basketball gods never
want to favor me or the draft gods never want to favor me.
Okay.
So you got Wemby.
Fine.
Whatever.
It's just Isaac.
This is the draft gods
He's just Isaac
Okay
So
Considering the lack of talent
From this field
From this position right now
I need to get Joelle and Bede
Immediately
Fuck I was hoping you didn't pick him
No
I need him on my team so bad
Malin A Zonovan
How the what the fuck?
Why did you not pick Joel and Bede?
I don't want him on my team
What do you mean?
I have a I have a culture that I want to build
Joel and B does not fit into that.
You're disgusting.
Get the head out of your heart.
Whatever.
Now, I am in a weird spot.
I really thought I was going to Joel Mb.
Moe.
Can you answer this question?
Why hasn't Joel M.B.
been to the finals?
Because he hasn't even...
How can you get to the finals when you haven't even made the conference finals?
Thank you.
All right.
As I continue with your pig?
No, I think he has, actually.
But I lied.
Give me Steve Nash at point guard.
Makes sense.
Who?
Give me Steve Nash.
Okay.
Steven Nash.
Okay.
I assume his name is Stephen.
I actually don't know that for sure.
And then I can go a lot of places with this.
I can probably get them next time.
I'm in a weird spot, man.
Clock, clock, clock, shot, clock, shot, clock.
I'm gonna go double guard.
Give me Shay at shooting.
That was a great pick.
I was hoping to see if I'm in my lap.
I feel like Shay and Nash is a good fit.
Yeah, very different.
Yeah, very different places.
Canadiates?
Oh, double, double maple.
Let's go.
I'm going to win.
Oh, shout out to the youths out there, Farn.
Shout out to the youth.
Smoke that food.
Okay.
Find out you got bread?
You love your mom?
You let your mom's in the food?
Ah, you make me sick to my stomach, farm.
It's a girl, shut up.
Shut up.
You're a little boy.
At my point card, I want Dame Dala on my team.
A Dame and Joel and B-B-B-L should, in theory, be great.
Theory, Tony, take you so far.
All right.
At my...
Ooh, I'm trying to figure out.
I'm trying to figure out what to do.
I guess I kind of messed up because I picked one and be at my center.
At my...
You know what?
Let's just do it.
We're going double big.
at my power forward give me yow ming
oh my god
I thought he was in a fall to me
this stupid ass
7 5 and 7 6
yeah
both of them can hit 18 footers
oh yeah space now
at my 3
give me
Carmelo Anthony
Nasty
Loser pink
Yeah loser your team is disgusting
Team makes no sense but it's huge
so I'm sure it could be fun.
It's some nonsense, though.
Yeah, no.
I would love to play with this team in 2K.
It's amazing.
I would hate to watch his team in real life.
Everybody's on the block.
Okay.
At my three, give me Paul George.
I like his defense alongside Dame.
That's a good pick.
I was probably going to pick him.
oh well damn i can't believe you took all the centers fuck
what am i going to do
yeah he got all the centers i love that you don't have been lost he's like you know
if i can't win what are you going to lose nobody
first of all i didn't i didn't even lose
i haven't lost you did
no i did it okay
give me blake griffin
and
don't want where do i want to go with this one next
I can be George Gervin.
Blake and George Gervin.
Okay.
He got me.
You got me.
Blake and George Gervin.
You got me.
I have nothing if not bucket getters.
Okay.
Speaking of bucket getters, at the two,
hmm.
Yeah, at the two, go ahead and give me Dominique Welk.
No!
One of the greatest, co-cah, what does Shaq say?
Uh-huh.
Whatever.
Oh, no, I have to go back to the drawing board
Because I actually don't know what I'm going to do
Because that's kind of everybody that I had
No
I thought I was going to get one of them
This is very, very tough right now
See J. McCollum is looking you in your eyes, brother
He's right there
He really, he really is
You don't want the president of the NBA Players Association
Right there
Well add to your team if you ask me
All right, here's what I do
For my point guard
I'll take Derek Rose
Okay
Yes I would like that
I would like an MVP
At my point guard
And at my two guard
Once again
Here we go
Got it
Give me
Give me Vince Carter
Nice
Vince Carter
Okay
Nice
Okay that's cool
That's cool
All right
So my point
Listen I'm GM of the year
I had to come off the dome with that
You have zero playmakers on your feet.
Who's eating in buckets?
Everybody.
So I got Dame, Dominique, PG, and I need a four on my team.
Doesn't necessarily have to be a fantastic defender, but I'd like them to be playable.
Someone who could stretch the floor, give me Lari Markman.
That man hasn't even made the playoffs.
He's been at least for eight years, and he has to be able to eight years, and he has to be played.
hasn't sniffed the playoffs bro it's kind of sad all right well you guys have the biggest teams in
the goddamn world i need a strong defender give me rudy gobert rudy rudy rudy he's getting
killed by wendy he can't hang with wemby all right man he's getting he's getting he's getting
he got bent for wendy in the olympics don't let don't make me turn this into fever rules
Rudy Kang.
Oh my gosh.
No, Rudy is a demon in people rules.
He's a demon in people rules.
He was a demon in people, he was 17 years old.
What do you mean, cooking?
They're on the same team.
He saw one video of Wembe playing one-on-one basketball.
And the workouts?
Cooking him.
You saw it.
You saw it.
All right, so I don't even know who won this.
Like, maybe, maybe, Mo.
Yeah, his team makes sense.
So, I'll go ahead and say it out first.
I won this crowd eaters.
This was for you.
audio listeners shout out to you point guard i had damien little shooting guard dominie wilkins
at the three paul george four lara marking at the five i had joel and bead perfectly balanced
i have stephen ash shay george gervyn blake griffin and ruddy gober i have derrick rose
vince carter carmelo anthony yow ming victor women y'all i'm killing y'all i got it
i got it let's go spot by spot who is the best point guard i got it uh probably me
No
Are you out of your fucking mind
But also like
He's probably
Shut up
It's prime Steve Nash
What are you talking about?
Yeah it's Nash
Who is the best shooting guard
Probably
It's probably me
Either either either
Neek or Shay
It's me
It's me
It's Dominique Wilkins
All right
He's the most accomplished
He's just because his career's over
But
It was Dominic's best year
Better than Shee's best year
Come on brother
This is let's not
Let's not drag this
Let's not drag this
Who is in a small Ford?
Me.
Is Mello better than George Gervin?
Yeah.
Yeah, I'm gonna take it.
I'm taking that for me.
No, he's not.
I'm taking that for me.
I'm taking that for me.
I'm making that.
When it's all set and done it's even going to be better than Paul George?
Shut up.
Shut up.
The George Gervyn, I can accept.
PG, shut your fucking mouth.
Power forward.
I mean, really, Lissy, Wembe's your power forward.
So I guess Wemby's better than Lowry and Blake.
Actually, no, it's prime Blake still better.
Well, actually, no, let's keep it here because I'll take Yow over Lowry and Blake
and I'll take Wemby over and B to Rudy.
Wembe is not better than NB.
Get the fuck out of my face.
I'm taking that.
I'm taking that for me.
All right, man.
That's right in the draft.
I got the best team fit.
Let's go.
Is that what we're jacking for?
Who fits the best?
I have bucket getters.
This is team basketball.
Does my team fit well or terrible?
I can't decide.
It's the George Gervon pick.
I'd pick the best player, but that might mess up to fit a little bit.
It works.
It works.
I mean, I think it probably does work.
I don't know.
Blake's got to kind of be a stretch forward, which he's not going to like.
But if you can knock some three, it'll work.
You got it.
Next thing we're going to do, we're going to do our cheer list for this week.
And for this week, we're going to start our yearly cycle of putting every position into a tier list.
today we're going to do 15 of the 30 starting point guards of 2024 2025 okay we've done this for
two years in a row we give it a couple months or about 20 games into the season and then we rank
the standings of the most relevant guards and you know really most relevant players every position
okay okay let's go ahead and do this here yeah let's start with the point guards where
let's start at the top where are we putting luca dantsich yes he hasn't been like healthy lucid
a donchist as he's seen but it's he's eating up now yeah he's hitting him now i think luca's one
of those players that you have to account for how you have to count for him getting healthy
earlier in the season it's a plane in shape and him getting it in shape yeah he starts over
year but we know he's still a top three player in the world got to run off all that hookah
that for his lungs all that patron exactly that nicotine it'll be that'll be fine that October
you remember that one video i think it was at the when they won the western conference finals and
oh yeah he had a beer in his hand and then i think mark cubit or someone like took it away and he
was like ewes michael finley oh g michael finley it's hilarious okay let's go with another big dog
where we're going with step curry also s tier i'm not i'm i'm i'm never stop it stop it i'm never
dropping step curry below s tier until the day until he starts looking like lebron then i won't
drop him below ST.
What?
Look at you.
Come on now.
What do you think
Steph Curry's averages
are right now,
mister?
I know what I watch
and I still see greatness.
He don't even
You're watching,
I'm missing missed layups.
What are you talking about right now?
I miss it.
I'm watching Steph Curry
look like he's really
struggling to carry the ridiculous
low they're asking of him,
which isn't fair.
Oh, my bad.
My bad.
I forgot.
Who's he playing with?
Oh yeah.
Pajamski,
Kaminga.
Buddy Heald had to get hot
for a couple games.
Thank you.
Thank you to Andrew Wiggins
for coming to save Steph Curry.
Put that man in S
and give him his respect.
Please.
22 points per game.
I don't care what the numbers say.
I see him and I say,
they're looking like LeBron.
They both look and they take a step back.
That boy nice.
Put him in S tier.
Stop it.
Mo, what do you think?
What do you think, Mo?
Steph clearly is not on Lucas lover right now.
I don't want to say
pretty clearly.
I just catch up to him or whatever,
but he's done.
not he's not at that tier he's probably going to be an a maybe b depending on who we want to
no b's ridiculous b's ridiculous let's put him in a cut you my no he's still amazing he's just
being asked to be this number one option like 2022 where he carries all the offensive load and you
said until he looks like lebron he looks kind of like lebron he can't handle that offensive load either
they're both looking old and need more help than they have he'd never missed 24 straight layups
24 straight three whatever the best he might miss a little layups
no the problem is he just can't take as many shots as before he just can't quite get there
just in some fourth quarters this year where his legs look cooked he looks like he's struggling
to get through that high usage a is fair yeah I hate it no we're not telling the truth
I don't want you guys listen at next week step Curry fan club meeting I don't want I don't
want to see you guys there security looking out my key card what security
me all right I thought I'm gonna get in there trust
We're going to the Mello ball.
He's in A tier.
I don't know about that.
What?
Get out of here.
He's great.
I mean, he's averaging 30.
The volume is crazy, but I don't think he's better than Seth Curry or on the same level.
Even though Seth Curry can handle the usage, we know the awful impact.
We know the playmaking he brings.
We know all the other stuff.
Lamello is still the worst defender than Curry, too.
I think we should separate them.
I'm sorry.
I have to go A.
I have to go A.
Yeah.
I think, yeah, if the hornies didn't have...
Look at it, he's dope.
A's here it is, I guess.
If the hornets didn't have Lamello, they wouldn't be anything.
They already aren't great, but Lamello's, he's at least doing something.
I guess.
They're right to 10 seat when you got hurt for sure.
This guy does not respect buckets.
19.
You were just fucking crying a new one for Steph Curry not being S tier, but now I can't say that there's a difference to Lavello and Curry.
I feel like that's a bigger gap than Lamello than a currying Luca.
I don't know.
I think the aggressiveness.
that the rest of this
that we've seen
Lamello take in this year
and with how many buckets
he's been getting
he's keeping them
brothers aflo over there
in Charlotte
I think he deserves
18
we can move in
we can be flexible
with our
no we won't
we won't do that
we won't do that
we won't do that
okay so Lamello's A
where does Tri Young go
that's why I'm saying
we gotta be flexible with it
right now
that's probably we got to be
flexible with it
Lamello's been better
this season
I mean, yeah,
he has been, but has you been...
Yeah, okay, whatever, we can do, we can do that.
Trey Young and B makes sense.
He's on a cold-ass shooting stretch right now
that'll probably get better
by the time you're watching this in a few months,
but right now he's playing out of B-tier.
I can agree with that.
You know what's funny?
I think when we did this last year,
he was also really low
because he started terribly,
but he came up.
I think when we did this last year,
he was like C-tier,
but he ended up recovering,
so I'm sensing a pattern.
Hopefully, listen,
hopefully Trey Young can get back to what
Trey Young does,
but right now, yeah,
he's not playing as well.
as the other three.
Yeah, that's fair.
Deerrin Fox.
Hmm.
She's playing.
He's not.
See, this is hard.
I guess he's on,
I guess he's on the same tier as,
as Trey.
Trey might be at the bottom of that tier.
Deerr or maybe,
well,
I don't know.
Dear,
Deer and Fox is back.
The focus is messing up again.
Yeah.
DeR Fox is back with his superpowers in terms of like
finishing ultra well at the rim,
not shooting as efficiently with the three-point shot this year, but it's hard to say.
I wish there was a space in between A and B and put him right there because he's been better
than Trey on the season objectively.
And I think we're giving Trey a lot of grace right now.
So we can put him in-B.
But we'll know, like, Deiaron is at the top of B.
Trey's at the bottom.
I don't think there's a big gap between Lamello and Dierre.
Why aren't they in the same tier?
I mean, one has, like, I'm giving Lamello a little bit of credit for the carry.
job that he has to do every single light.
Dearon Fox might actually have to be in the same tier.
You say that.
He's not carrying them to a three seat.
Why are we giving them carry credit?
They're where they should be.
They're mid.
Deeran Fox is special.
He might need to be,
ooh, this is so nasty, bro.
Carrying the Charlotte one, it's two mid is hard.
No, it's not.
Their roster isn't the worst in the league.
They're where they should be.
I mean, if you want to keep the mellow in A, that's fine.
I feel like Deeran should be right next to him.
So you want to drop Lamello into B?
It's either we drop Lamello or lift up Lamello.
Yeah, you pick whichever one you want, but I think they should be together.
Fine.
Lift up, lift up D'A.
I'm cool with that.
Deeran, welcome to A tier.
Yeah, okay.
Okay.
James Hardin.
See, he's wildly inefficient.
Don't care.
He is unloading the clip and carrying that offense, though.
Yeah.
Which is hard.
Don't.
I do not care about.
James Hardin's efficiency right now because it's not like, it's not like in the gutter.
So anything, yeah, so anything above that is, is fine considering the offensive talent around
him.
I'd give James Hardin like a B.
If we're grading off of expectations, I'd put him in A.
Okay.
A is too much for show, but I'm sure in terms of expectations.
So B is fair because in terms of inefficiencies, he's having the same exact inefficiencies
as Trey Young, a little bit worse to start off the year.
I'm fine with putting in B because he's carrying that team
with all the playmaking duties and shit.
He's fairly beat.
Yeah, and they're actually a really good team.
So I think they actually deserve carry credit
for keeping that offensive float
and lend the defense win games.
So for sure.
Yeah.
Where do you want to go with Jamal Murray?
D.
2024, Jamal Murray.
D.
D.
This is...
That's a good sound effect.
But yeah, I mean,
we've seen Jamal Murray be as high as like B
or A in a playoff series,
but it hasn't been.
consistent. It hasn't even been
infrequent. We just really haven't seen a high level this
year. That was years ago. I don't
think we will ever see Jamal Murray get back to that
level. He is indeed tier.
When Jamal Murray
Jason goes right now. When the Denver Nuggets
won a playoff past.
It's over. He's cooked.
When the Denver Nuggets won
an NBA championship, folks were telling me,
Jamal Murray is better than Trent Young. Jamal
Mary is better than Darry's Garland and also the
He was. He was not. He wasn't
lit. He was just having a
a moment. It was just a moment.
Okay, now you're hating.
Play after Mom, where it was real. We don't
got to pretend that didn't happen just because it's not happening anymore.
He's not at all sorry. He was supposed to be one, though.
Put him in D. It was next.
For now. We'll see. Maybe we'll come back. We'll see.
Where do you want to go with Darius Garland?
See.
A sweet prince. Very comfortable.
There he is.
He is not see. Are you out of your mind? He's definitely
he's been at this level right now.
Darius Garland has been probably better than Tray.
You know what? Just for that, drop Tray Young into C.
Get out of you.
Get out of here.
Get out of here.
You ruin his rep.
Now,
but Darius Garland's been on the same level as Tray Young.
I agree with that.
I think Darius should be B.
Trey's a better passer,
but Darius has been the far better score,
especially off ball.
Okay, fair.
Fair.
Listen, he kind of locking up, too.
Better than Trey Young is.
You saw him, you saw him guard Jason Tame just one time in the post.
Listen, man.
Hey, he did a job.
He did a job.
He did a job.
Okay, where do you guys want to go with Cade Cunningham?
I think he's...
I'm pretty good efficiency.
The turnovers are a problem, though.
I think he clearly hasn't...
He's not in the same...
He's not the same caliber player as Day or Strait
or James Harden as to be at two carriers with the ball.
And you can't be a high-level point guard
and not an elite passer, but still careless with the ball.
Those three things...
He's been nine-assisted game.
His passing is legit, but the turnovers are a bit much.
And the efficiency has to be a little bit better to make up for it.
So I'm cool at C for now, but he's on the up and up.
Yeah.
I will be shocked at by the end of the year.
That stuff normalizes and he's looking like B.
I hope so.
That'll be great for him.
Yeah.
All right.
Fred Van Vleet.
He's been solid.
He started off horrible start the year.
He was chucking shots.
He was looking like Drake hooping out there, actually shooting like Drake.
But he's come back around.
But he's okay now.
And he's, he's very serviceable.
He's doing Fred Van Vleet things.
I don't think
I think I would still go D though
I don't think he's been as good as Kate
Especially considering his
Slow shooting start
I'll go D
Yeah
He's not the same level of the player at all
Yeah and D makes it sound bad
But these are all good players
So even like D is still like above average
I didn't include any terrible
This is all top 15
Ish
Exactly
These are good people
Okay
John Morant
Oh see I like the way
Josh's been
so I've been playing
I like
he's changed his game a little bit
he's not as aggressive
of a score anymore
I mean I said he doesn't want to dunk anymore
yeah he said he didn't want to
fall in soldier
RIP to highlight real
oh my god
but he's passing out of his mind
the passing is the best has ever been
he's at nine assists per game
he's even though the scoring isn't as high
it's because he's not just not taking
as many shots he's a better player though
still a yeah bro
a lot of people play don't know
a lot of people don't know this
but he's going back to his old
college play
playing days in terms of his playing style super talented as a pastor and he went away from that
because he saw that he could like the advantages in the NBA are insane but the tradeoff
isn't worth it considering the injuries that he's like accumulated over the last few years
he's 18 now he starts to dunk again he wanted to draw charges and hurt him it was ridiculous
if he starts to dunk again estier he doesn't want to dunk though it's not coming back they don't
want them they don't want him to start jumping Mike Conley F F F F
damn no other words just put him
I'm sorry don't say anything alright don't say anything
just put him in F Isaac please okay
respect our others
thank you
the lips are sealed
Jalen Suggs
who this is fun
best defender on the list
that's for sure
can we put him
can we put him in B or is that too much
no no you can put him in D
or maybe C if you might be generous but
the shot making really fell off
after Palo got hurt it was a crazy start
but the lack of that extra attention is getting them a little bit.
So probably still D, but the defense is outrageous.
Yeah, D is fantastic for him, though.
D is fantastic.
Jalen sucks, top 15th, poor guard, and NBA, sign me up.
That's all they need.
You could put them next to Cade if you want, if you want to go see.
Best defender on this list by far.
And you want to put them in D.
All right, let's go, let's go, Jalens.
I mean, look, D is good players, though.
Like, Fredman Elite's good.
Yeah.
I can go see, though.
I'm fine.
I'm fine recognizing Jalen Sugg's defense.
and the offense has made strides
I'm okay with it
but it looks crazy next to Ked Cunningham
because everybody has biased towards
lead offensive players
and people have such a bias towards that
because the guys that dribble a lot
and while offensive value is important
so is defensive so I'll accept
Jalen Suggs and see
we might need to revisit that
you might need to
no no we don't
where we go with Chris Paul
D maybe
he's at a good year
good year for his old man standards so yeah if he was playing like a regular old man he'd be
with mike connolly and f but again he's better than that so we'll put him in d yeah is he better
than mike he definitely is mike he's shooting like shit from the field yeah he is he has he out
a rough shooting year but i mean is chris paul as good as brother i'm bleeding he had to say that about
mike i thought we were respected our elders shit god damn it's you're right my bad
Chris Paul is almost Chris Paul is at 10 points eight assists
Running the offense smooth double double
Or above expectations
We can go we can go D
Yeah positive you are
Yeah if you are 39 years old
And you are under 6 3
If you have 8 assists I'm rounding that up to 10
I'm giving you that credit
He's averaging a double double this year
Yes
And last but not least
Shea Gildes Alexander
Mr.
Stier.
Ain't nothing else
as you said.
Simple as that.
Luca's better.
So Luca might be
like the top of S here for sure
but Shea's better
than the guys there in A
we got to give it to him.
Yeah, I agree.
I agree.
S tier is for MVP candidates.
The guys like could win
an MVP any year
and Shays in that.
You can win at any moment.
I agree.
I agree.
So let's go through this list
to see what we got to revisit.
The comments are yelling at us right now
like they always are.
Luca and Shea and S tier,
that's fair.
We don't got to change that.
Steph, Lamello,
Deerran,
and Jah in A tier.
I'm with that.
I guess that makes sense.
Deering, Steph's number three.
Steph's the third best point guard.
John Moran's the fourth best point guard.
And if you want to say this year,
Lamello and Deerner are like fifth and six,
that makes sense to me.
I like that.
I don't think eight tier needs to be changed at all.
I think it's perfect.
B tier we got Hardin,
Trey Young, and Darius Garland.
So that's 8, 9, 10, or 6, 7, 8.
That makes sense to me.
Sure.
Yeah, okay.
Yeah.
Trey Young, 6, Dary's Garland.
seven, Jimbo's eight.
Okay.
And granted,
we don't have every point guard in the league on here,
so there's probably some other people
that would be top 10 we're forgetting about.
Yeah.
Kate,
I think this deal is fine.
I think we don't got to change anything.
We don't.
Once again,
another perfect tier list by TD3.
People are going to look at
Jaylen Sugs and Cade like so crazy,
but completely different players,
but they're both special in their own right,
but they're not stars,
like B.
I would not apologize for loving Jalen Sugs.
I don't care.
his defense is amazing and I won't feel bad about it
So go lock up
Go go try to get a bucket on Jayland Suggs
And you come back to me and tell me how your experience was
And then we can start talking
I'm not going to have a good time
I was wrong
That's into that tearless
Next thing we're going to do
We obviously do a lot of guessing games
I put you guys through the ringer
Having you try to guess teams
Guessing players
You've done all these different variations
And last week we did a matchup
of all the guests of players,
but we combined a bunch of faces.
It was crazy.
Today we're going to do a mashup
of all the formats
we've done from guessing a team.
So I'm going to show you a,
you know, the team graphic we always show you.
And before we've done colleges,
2K overalls,
heights, flags, all that shit,
you're going to get a hodgepodge
mix of all of them.
Okay.
Okay.
Shit, let's try this shit, man.
It's not even a category.
So, can you guess this NBA team?
So creative.
I know, look at that.
First off, which team is this?
okay a is a bastard uh the point guards a bastard he's mad at so no reason calm down holy shit
i feel his energy through the screen right now yes all right but the four man the four man went
to kentucky so we have to start talking we have to start thinking about the the bigs who have come out
of kentucky okay so there's julius no yeah julius turned who went to kentucky um who else when
came from there.
Oh, we'll look at everything else.
I'm to focus on Kentucky.
Talk to everything else.
No, we have to,
we have to lock in on Big Blue.
You have to lock it.
Yeah, that's the easiest.
7-9 overall.
And who's like, who's, who's,
who's mad at that foot guard?
Who's aggressive?
Who's angry?
I'm just sick of shit.
I mean, Chris Paul,
Chris Paul is always, always yelling.
I know Fred Van Bleet just got, you know,
he just got fine for yelling at people.
But it's not, though.
It's not.
Because, because the center is American.
Yeah, you're right.
Javari Smith is a war eagle.
Yeah, he went to Auburn.
He went to Auburn.
So I'm trying to think of these, these colleges.
Normally I feel like we're pretty good.
I honestly, I feel like you're pretty good.
Who are there 79 overall wings?
Who is this mid?
Please.
This is so weird.
I think we're in hell right now, but is this the New Orleans Pelicans?
You know it's not because Zion with the Duke.
but he's not even starting though he's not playing we've seen exactly one game is on probably
are you guys cooked are you always done no no no no we're we're not cooked we are not cooked
you beg it get that last guessing we're not we're not cooked 79 overall three who the hell is this
bro we have to we have to think if you think about teams like like the clippers the lakers
the suns the this just west of conference it's not the blazers please please help me
Help me.
Yeah, I think this is fried for me.
Oh, wait.
Is it the Dallas Mavericks?
What a buzzer beater.
This is the Dallas Mavericks.
That's Lucas complaining ass at Point Guard.
PJ Washington at Power Forward.
I sold this so hard when it comes to Kentucky, bro.
I sold this so hard.
I was about to make you throw in the towel and you got it last second.
Look at that.
They stick out like a sword thumb.
Fuck.
I forgot.
Okay.
Thank you.
One of one.
One of one.
So, Walmart.
Brown.
You got more to come.
You guys can bounce back from this terrible show.
next up which team is this
dang kentucky dudes man another kentucky guy
and you got the 12th
who are these kentucky wings
88 overall center
and then we got a brick wall
noticing
brick wall
you got an 88 overall center
this is one of the best centers in the entire NBA
and what i have 88 overall screams that but okay
yeah he's one of the better centers
it's hard to be
I know who this is
oh
huh
man
88 overall center
that screams to me
that you're okay
12th pick
you're an okay player
brick wall
I don't know what that means
but this is the Miami Heat
nobody's not
oh my god
it's not remotely close to Miami Heat
I don't even know what you're getting at
I'm gonna buy 8 overall and that is not
and didn't
didn't Tyler here will play for Kentucky too
but under but understand there's mad there's mad mad mad mad oh i got you this is the sacramento kings
there we go no it's not there we go is this the oklahoma city thunder this is the oklahoma city thunder
and that is kason wallis who's currently the starting shooting guard okay that's it threw it out
okay the brick wall is lewd dorts sturdy ass yep doork chamber so bonus so makes sense at 88 and i
assumed that oh man that cooked me okay y'all we got mowing a blender next one which team is
this this is all sleepy oh it's the Utah jazz because we don't like them we don't watch them
nobody cares this is not the Utah Jazz but you were close this is specifically tailored to
Donovan the Clippers I don't care about them yeah don't care about them hate promulence again
Taxes Donovan Hayden the Clippers
We can't avoid them
If you see Zoubatch is very impressive to me
That's good
Next one
Which team is this
The goat
What is that
It's just a brown circle
It's a color of someone's skin
Browns
Now you're a wild boy
You're a wild boy
wow okay that could either mean like yo that's your last name or
wow boy
I'm throwing off I'm sorry I'm rattled
okay this is crazy
all right so we have an American
the 14th pick in the draft as the as the three
oh I got this in the heartbeat
you have to realize
Spit a few heartbeats.
Who made this graphic?
Isaac.
Mm-hmm.
What is, what is Isaac known for out of the three of us?
Glazing.
Blazing.
Who particularly?
Who's his goat?
Nicole Yokic.
Noticing, 14th overall pick just a year ago.
Michael Porter Jr.
Christian, what's his last name?
Not Brown, but Braun.
Ooh, this is the Denver Nuggets.
This is the Denver Nuggets.
That is Christian Brown is a shooting.
the white brown great pick yeah it's pronounced brown not brown finally finally because i had the first
oh shit there we go now we're even now we're even there you go death has to show respect to the one
and only and me just blitzering words there we go this is the Denver nuggets that that was easy
next up which team is this okay a u s u s in a heart
beat. There's not that many
USC guys in the entire NBA.
One of them is Bronny James, but I
fear Bonnie James does not play the
power forward position.
I know who does, though.
No, you don't.
I know who does. I know who's the fifth pick overall for this team,
too. In those long arms,
I know length. I see link from
anywhere. Lengths come from all sides
and angles. A length spur. Yes.
Who is this? This scurance to me
that this is the
Cleveland Cavaliers
This is the Cleveland Cavaliers
Donovan Mitchell on his length
There we go
That man got length for days
Not gonna say it
Not gonna say it
Don't say it
Don't say it
No
We out meeting Shay
Oh my God
We just did
It's fine
We can admit it
We can admit it
All right man
Last one
Which team is this
Is that maple syrup
I feel so old squinting at this screen right now
Come on, Unk, you got this.
Help me out, Unk.
Some people, sir, what is that?
Okay.
I got this in Harvard, too.
That flag is a dead giveaway too.
What flag is that, Mo?
What's the flag is that?
I know, I see this flag and I know this player.
I don't know why.
Name the country.
Tell me the country.
I can name the player, bro.
Name the player.
This is Yakopoldo, and this is the Toronto Raptors.
Correct.
This is the Austria flag.
Boom.
And Yaquipotel's team, the Toronto Raptors.
There we go.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I don't know if you see Austria.
I just see the flag.
I'm like, oh, Yacopoldo, this is how I think about it.
And I carry out all my day.
That's crazy.
That's crazy.
My mind.
And there you go.
You guys got through them.
Only one loss.
Okay.
Actually, no, Donovan clutch up at the end.
So no losses.
Yeah.
There are you.
there we go undefeated never lost
Big ball of bread
Next thing we're gonna do
We're gonna do a blind ranking
I haven't done one of these in a while
I kind of forgot about them for a bit
But I'm gonna have you guys
Blind rank some NBA championship teams
Okay
So you guys know how it works
Blind ranking 1 through 5
Yeah yeah yeah
Rank them blindly and the chips fall
Where they may
Yeah yeah yeah
Alright let's do it
Who's the first team
First of the five teams
We had last year's Boston Celtics
See I'm good people
putting them at three honestly three yes three because i understand i understand what the number say i
understand what the stats say but i also know what my eyes watched and i know that there are other
championship teams that are better my eyes watching dominance you're you sir are a glazing that's why
you feel that way i'm okay putting them at i'm a solstice glazing you know what iziger you wrote it down
been out voted apparently put them in three no you can disagree i'll leave him at three if donovan
screws this up it's because of that placing right there okay next up the 2020 lakers
the 2020 lakers are not better than that self-esteem like oh hold on hold on hold on hold on
let me not let me not hold on hold on that's what i'm saying that's a good that's a good debate
let's have a conversation here let's have a conversation we're here for discourse right the fact
that you had still a prime lebron james you had anthie davis as mobile and as much of a
a real-life uter the fact that you had those two guys alice caruso
Kyle kuzman was out here whooping playoff playoff rondo you had a lot of guys on that team
they were the best team from start to finish their defense was amazing I think that in that
situation I think I would take the 2020 lakers over the 2024 boston Celtics but was
would their defense be amazing enough
to stop all those threes raining in?
I do not know.
I think their defense would be amazing enough, though,
to do something to Jayson Tatum
and, like, prevent Jam Brown from having the series that he did.
So I think I'm okay with that because their two best players
can't fuck with the Celtics two best players.
So we could put the Lakers at number two.
I like that.
Okay, 2020 Lakers are at number two.
Liskers?
I can't spell it all.
I'm trying to do this while looking at the screen.
Yeah, put the 2020 Lakers at two.
Okay
Number three
We got the
2007 Spurs
See they could have
Went ahead
The 24th six
But this
This wasn't the
It's not the beautiful
game
San Antonio Spurs
So we would put them
At 4
But we respect
Tim Duncan on this
podcast though
And this is when
Tony Parker
Was a bucket too
Yes
Hmm
Y'all don't respect
Tony Parker
Me personally
I put him
Never mind
We should respect
Tony Burke
Go ahead
That's one at 4
Never mind
For it's fair
I can see them
versus something
going either way
Next up
The 2006 Miami Heat
We can put them at 5
That is one of the most
Not not the most
But
There's a lot of context
That goes into that championship
And we are putting them at 5
So you're telling me
Dirk is a choker
I mean yeah
He was
He was
Yeah man
I mean, listen, shout out Dwayne Wade.
Amazing, amazing young player in that year.
Obviously the worst team here.
Easy.
Okay.
Now, Donovan, you can make or break my entire list, depending who has a number one.
Drum roll, please.
The 1985 Lakers are number one.
Yep, we're good.
We are good.
Has a perfect tier list been created?
I think so.
Has a perfect blind ranking been created?
Well, yeah, as a blind ranking, I think we did the best that we could.
If you want to put the 24 Celtics at two, fine.
I, I, I, I disagree right now, but I do think it is a debate.
But after one, four and five, that's fine.
Yeah, I'm happy.
I'm happy.
We did it.
I think this may be one of the first, you know, we used their ass at this.
That's true.
Yeah.
We did you do.
We don't know pretty bad.
We're normally pretty bad.
There you go.
Comeback season.
It's fine.
But we never left.
To be expected.
But we never left.
The next thing we're going to do, I'm going to have you guys guess who has all of these NBA
all-time records.
It's a little trivia game.
I'm going to say a record.
You should tell me the player that currently holds it.
Shout out nerds.
Let's get into it.
Chat out, let's do it.
First off, who has the most personal fouls in NBA history?
This has to be either LeBron or Kareem.
It has to be somebody who's played a long time.
I'm going to go with them.
And I'll pick one
I will go Kareem
Okay
Okay
I'm going Kareem too I guess
Fuck it
It is Kareem Abdul Jabbar
Makes a hell of sense
Lebron doesn't foul that much
A big man is always going to foul
It's because LeBron don't fucking try sometimes
That's why
Senators they're in the mix
They got a foul
Yeah yeah
Smart big
Okay listen
I threw you a layup to start
That's fine
You gotta get the ball rolling
Next one
Who is the most field goals made
In NBA history
Again
Is this either LeBron or Kareem?
I think it has to be Kareem because
LeBron had threes to make up the space
Between them for scoring
So we're mathing right now
I'm gonna go Kareem
Okay Mr. Algebra
Yep, it is Kareem okay I thought
That I'd make you overthink it but it is Kareem again
Now you pass basic algebra
You know what I'm about basic algebra
Number three
Who is the highest three point percentage in
history?
Uh, I got this, I think.
Go ahead.
Well, I got my bid.
Is this Seth Curry?
Hmm.
You know what?
It's tricky.
Okay, so I, so I have a couple names.
I feel like Steve Curry's name is up here.
It definitely is.
It's top three.
Yeah.
I feel like Steve Kerr's name.
Seth Curry wouldn't, wouldn't shock me.
Um, if Kyle Corver was on this list, it wouldn't shock me.
He's up there.
I'm going to put.
going to put my faith in you and i'm going to trust you as my partner and we're going to go
with set curry oh that was dumb as hell never trust mo it is steve currie i know set
currie's top five though shit probably our next one who is the most playoff steals ever
all right so honestly if we go playoff anything kind of have to go lebron
though. Can't go steals. Why? But if you're but like if you're if you're if you're talking about
somebody who's been to the playoffs consistently like it has to be somebody who either was a
steals demon or just has the sheer volume. And so like LeBron's going to be up there might be like
John Stockton. I think he's a good answer to this too. You think for a hell long long. He led
the league multiple times. He's up there all time at seal. So I think John Stockton might be the
Yeah.
I think he might be the answer for this.
We'll go. We'll once again lose because we listen to Mo.
It is LeBron James.
Do it's LeBron?
What the fuck, bro?
Sorry, go.
He went to the finals 10 years in a row.
He's playing like 20-something playoff games every single year.
He's averaging at least to steal a game or like 0.9, whatever.
This is the only time that you ever seem to believe in John Stockton.
Never again.
There you go.
He sold you for one last time.
Who has the most points in Celtics history?
I'm going to shut up, Donovan.
You cook.
I mean, I don't know the Celtics like that.
I guess the easy thing to say would be Larry,
but Larry only played like 11 years.
Bill Russell wasn't a score like that.
No, he wasn't a score like that at all.
We could say like Sam Jones.
I always confused Sam and Casey Jones.
I always forget that.
but we will take the easy wait but paul pierce played played for them for a long time
that is true is it paul pierce i don't know i don't know i'm not i'm not i'm not i'm not sure
i'm gonna take a guess i guess yeah i'll go paul pierce oh three ls in a row it is john
havelacek figured yeah that makes sense i skipped an old look at you had to be one of them
Figures
Typical
Who has the most
Sportsmanship Awards
I think I got this in the bag
I don't know why
But this got to be
Good old unc over here in Minnesota
This is Mike Conley
This is a new award too
Why do you know that
I don't know
Why the fuck do you know
What this is this a new award
I don't know
Is this a new award
When did they start handing this out?
I don't even know
Sometime in the last like
Seven years or so
Mike Kong
Is listed on the official NBA
your website which is hilarious yeah adam service NBA sportsmanship okay there you go
who has the highest field goal percentage in NBA his has to be something stupid like
DeAndre Jordan yeah yeah yeah yeah shout to Chris ball man holy shit oh he was a merchant
Did he make first team all NBA too?
Yeah
He did.
Shout out Lobster.
In the dead era.
In the dead era of centers.
And we were in a recession in the NBA back then.
He looked.
He looks like Dwight Howard trying to be Deonti Jordan in this picture.
Like he's Dwight Howard.
Yeah.
Playing Dejantre Jordan in a TV show.
Professional hair and makeup.
He's on the FX show of the Clippers.
Yeah.
Effects.
Effects got the movie.
what nice you never heard that intro before I do I know you're talking about yeah next one
most playoff blocks in NBA history LeBron James anything playoffs it's either I guess for
blocks it's either LeBron James or Tim Duncan and I'm gonna go Tim Duncan yeah I'd go LeBron
but I'll let you rock with Tim Duncan Timmy D oh you played for a long time too got to be
Tim Duncan yeah yeah
Yeah.
Hey, Mo, anytime you have an instinct, go against it.
Yeah.
No, I just kicked in like, oh, shit.
Yeah, he was an old man in the NBA, too.
Old ass man.
He played for hell long.
Last but not least, who has the most steals in NBA, in Lakers history?
Okay, so obviously, Kobe played there for 20.
I'm going to go.
We can go Kobe.
Simple as a day.
Let's go Kobe.
You could.
Yeah.
Mo, you agree?
Got to be Kobe.
It is.
is Kobe. Yeah. Yeah. There we go. Shear ball. It's common sense. Yeah. I thought maybe you'd
overthink it by the end. Nope. It is Kobe Bryant. Okay. You guys should have done better, but you didn't
do horrendous. What you mean? We only missed like two. I sold us. I sold us like twice.
And that's because I was listening to him. If it was just me, I would have done better.
Listen, man, listen, man. I will never try to see you wrong. I just happen to see you wrong.
We got one more segment to do before I get out of here. You know, a few weeks ago, we did a
a game where I asked you to
I named two NBA teams
I wanted you to combine their players
and see if they could beat
the Boston Celtics
that was this year
you know we talked about current teams
we're going to do it again
but you guys are going to combine
NBA teams
and see if they can beat
the 2001 Lakers
okay
Kobe Shack
at their
at their peaks
combining
how do we upend the best duo
of all time
okay
let's do it
so first teams
the Cleveland Cavaliers
and the Denver Nuggets
Okay, so we would have Darius Garland
Donovan Mitchell
Okay
Right, it's current right
Current to be all the time
Okay so we have Darius Garland
Donovan Mitchell
At the three
We need some defense
So
Just get Lebron
Just we have to get the
No no we're going current
We're going current
What the fuck are you talking
Oh current cabs
Current Nuggets
Okay
So, Garland, D. Mitch, who are we putting at the three?
Michael Porter, Jr., I guess.
Are we given, I took a quarrel the call?
Or are we giving Michael, Gordon, he's been, hey, he's been shooting one from three-point line.
That's what I'm saying.
We are giving Michael Porter-June.
Are we putting Dean Wade?
Are we giving Dean Wade the call?
And now we're talking.
Now we're talking.
Now we're talking.
Anybody, Max Trues, Max Trues, Sam Meryl, Sam Meryl, anybody about MPJ.
Is George's Nien getting the call?
Let me know.
Oh, my God.
Let me know.
So MPJ and his tinfoil hat, go to the three.
Obviously, Yokach is the five.
We know the Aaron Gordon connection at the four.
Do we want to go there or do we want to go Mowgli?
Mowgli.
I love his defense.
I love his defense.
I don't know, though, because...
Aaron Gordon fits so good.
If we had...
Because, like, imagine if you had Aaron Gordon,
you could put Aaron Gordon on, on Kobe in some scenarios.
Like, if they start running some...
Like, I would not feel...
Yeah, but he's getting burned.
We saw...
By who?
By who?
By who?
By who?
By who?
No, but you have two guys.
So, like, it's going to be Yokic and then it's going to be...
You're going to have Yokic who's guarding Shaq, and then you're going to have DeMitch or Aaron Gordon
who can guard Kobe.
Every Mobley, if he tries to play Shaq, he's getting put in the blender.
Obviously...
It doesn't matter.
He's not being the Lakers.
I need as many hands in the room.
I need as many hands in the room.
That's it.
But, like, but, okay, but like, Aaron Gordion.
is getting put in the blender as well
but he how do you do you want to get cooked by
20 or 30 you choose right now
we can get cooked by 15 either way
they're not being the Lakers
it doesn't matter
I believe in you I'm in
Evan Mowgli I believe in you
we'll take Mowgli we'll lose by 30
all right whatever
I'm on the way around
okay next team
the Warriors and the Celtics
all right
Steph Curry
cool
at the two
Derek White
Not Jalen Brown
Oh we have a lot of options
But the three
Okay
So you want to go
Steph Curry
Jalen Brown
Tatum
Dremond KP
Ooh
Hey last year
South Xelix plus
Steph Curry
That might be
That might beat the
Laker
Listen
We may have done it
We may have done it
They
You think we've done it
Until Chris
Topps, Brazil is
had the weirdest injury that you've seen in your entire life
and then our goal defense is gone out the window.
Some shit you've never heard of.
Yeah.
But I would love to see Shaq,
Shaq step above the free throw line
and do something to KP.
Because if KP gets too wide open in a row,
it's a wrap.
Yeah, and Shaq has to come out in defense,
F. Curry and KP from three, it's a lot.
And if that's our starting lineup,
as long as we have five guys on the bench
who are ready to use all six of their fouls against Shaq,
I'm okay with that.
We'll bring Luke Cornett with this as a six-man
Fowlchack
Cornet and TjD will be on the bench
and they can use their fouls.
There you go.
Okay, next one.
The Bucks and the Thunder.
Bucks and the Thunder.
We're definitely going to Shay.
We're going to say at the one.
I like that.
I would like to make J.W. to play's natural position
and put them with the two or three.
Don't make a play power forward.
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, so don't.
We don't want to put, like, Dame at the one.
and then Shea at the two?
No.
I don't think you need both.
I feel like you have to pick one,
especially because you know,
you know we're getting Yannis,
so you're not going to have this like math,
this like crazy perimeter guy at like four or five.
He's not going to provide you that level of spacing.
So I'd go Yonis at the four.
So we're obviously going to go Chet and Yonis
to have that crazy fit.
We're going to put Shea in there.
JDA but the three or Jada bet the two?
We can put Jada by the three.
Then who do you want to?
put next to these guys you guys alice caruso you guys are doing dame so dirty
i just go yeah i just don't think at this point in time want to dame in there you want to
go dame shay jadab yannis chet dame jade of yonis and chet is the best lineup to me i don't
think listen that's a lot of all handlers it's i feel like i just want to shoot it he
clearly does he clearly minded it so much he listen he's he's he's
Tell him to shut up because they're trying to win right now.
All right.
It doesn't matter.
We got Shea and MVP caliber player and we got Yonis.
It doesn't matter.
Clearly, he doesn't vibe with the already MVP candidate that's on his team.
Do you think that adding another one would make him be like, yeah, I'll stay in to the corner?
So you want to put Alex Crusoe in place him?
By that logic, give me Isaiah Joe.
Give me Aaron Wiggins.
If we just want somebody to be in the corner.
Does this team beat the Lakers?
It doesn't matter.
We're missing the point here.
Probably losing.
I can't say that.
I can't say that.
well it depends on we put in dame at two because if we put dame at two then we're losing we put
Isaiah Joe there we might win say a Joe shot out Isaiah Joe okay anyway let's say they lose
we're getting caught up on these niche arguments that are not the point who's guarding
Rick Fox I need to know the 2020 Lakers plus that 2020 Miami heat oh so what's her
not using anybody but like jimmy and bam that's it yeah jimmy and bam onto the 2020 lakers
so she got bam ad lebron jimmy kCP i had because bronze playing point uh all right yeah
i'm with that that meets the 2001 lakers yes
2020 jimmy butler yeah 22 jimmy butler yes 2020 jim buggler was looking like kobe himself
It was crazy
Yeah
But that
Added on to
LeBron
And the shooting AD
Yes
Oh yeah
I need that
And AD and BAM's
defense
Oh yeah
I need that
Apparently
It's easier than I thought
Apparently
We'll give a tune
Just because
Mone knees that shit
You don't understand
I was just
It's elevating
bro
We're imagining
That
Say, oh, if that brother had a couple more inches, oh, don't get methanizing and salivating.
Have you never seen that Stephen A clip?
No.
Never.
I forgot who he was talking about.
I hope it's real.
If you're still here, this is the end of the episode, comment.
No, it's real.
Oh, I need that shit.
True.
Need that.
Hashtag need that.
Yeah.
I will see y'all next week.