The Deep 3 Podcast - Every NBA Team’s Most Underrated & Overrated Player | Ep. 52

Episode Date: September 1, 2023

EVERY NBA Team's most underrated & overrated players! #nba Check out the TD3 merch: https://the-deep-3-shop.fourthwall.com/ Join the TD3 discord!: https://discord.gg/RUkjpMPp7E Listen on Spotify!: https://open.spotify.com/show/3elbbqVumwqz8wlIdknsLW Listen on Apple Podcasts!: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-deep-3-podcast/id1657940794 Follow us on TikTok!: https://www.tiktok.com/@thedeepthree Follow us on Instagram!: https://www.instagram.com/thedeep3podcast/ Isaac's twitter: https://twitter.com/byisaacg Muhamed's twitter: https://twitter.com/Mojo99_ Donnavan's twitter: https://twitter.com/Dsmoot3D 0:00- Intro 2:03- Pacific Division 18:25- Northwest Division 34:12- Southeast Division 45:50- Southwest Division 1:02:50- Central Division 1:13:05- Atlantic Division 1:30:45- TikTok Time Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Today's going to be a real interesting episode, because on one hand, we're going to do a lot of hating. On the other hand, we're going to throw a lot of praise. 50-50. Today we're doing the most underrated player in the league from every team and the most overrated player in the league from every team. Let's be a fun one. Let's be real. It's probably going to be like 64 hating. We're getting some hate on.

That's what we do. That's kind of our back. I am here to praise and tell you about all these young players that I think y'all should pay attention to you. Boo. There might be a couple of people that I'm like, listen, it's not that nice, but more praise than hate today for me. I don't know about y'all. I'll compensate for you. I'll pick it up.

This is all you do, Donovan. Aside from, you know what I'm saying? The greatest of all time video, this will probably be your second most favorite podcast ever. Haiti is your middle name, bro. Me, I don't say I don't thrive in it too much. I don't have a lot of agendas to a push other than like pushing for mid role players like Davey on. See, I got agendas to push. It's just like respect these players I like a lot.

Yeah, exactly. And also, there's also, y'all are going to see random teams throughout the list where I'm like, bro, who do you want me to call underrated or overrated on this team? They're all ass. What am I supposed to do here? Well, you got to pick somebody. I don't want to hear any cop-house. You better throw a name out there.

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I think so After this overrated and underrated list We're going to react to some of the Top 20 list from the fans And we got this list from the Discord So we're going to be doing a lot more of that Where we React to your eyes as questions

Like you said Rate your top 20 list stuff like that It's always going to be in the discord so be sure to join in the top of the description join the community get talking sometimes we'd be in there yeah man let's do let's get in teased list and we're going to start with the pacific division get these cali teams out of the way first so you see my teams right now on the screen i'm going to say the underrated team first and then overrated for the audio listeners so for lakers

i have jrador and d'angelo russle the clippers k j martin and bones island the kings kevin herder and de montes sabonis interest to see which i'll say about that one the warriors i have Draymond and Clay and then finally the Sons I have Jordan Goodwin and Bulbul what do you all think Jordan Goodwin is the deepest cut of all

cuts and I like it deepest cut it's a huge it's a huge W nothing really that's much needs to be said about you know Bobol I think you know universally everyone's like yeah this dude isn't good

was an interesting player coming out of college looks super nice coming out of high school was like a top five prospect or top three prospect in the world you know but he just looks nice that's all it is you know on the court's a different story looks like a 2K player

yeah exactly the herder pick is really interesting I know you we've talked a little bit with like when we were doing the ranking stuff about like your feelings on some bonus so like it makes sense to me why you would put him there but I think the herder aspect is really really interesting because

like spoiler alert he's on my list as well as underrated so I like that pick I don't think that Jared Vanderbilt can be classified as underrated. I feel like he's very perfectly rated right now. I agree. It was one. So a lot

of these I put a name because I didn't do any copouts. I didn't put like two names or nobody or anything like that. So sometimes I had to pick a player even though I don't really think anybody Liggers is underrated. Really I could have Anthony Davis because that's, you know, I fucking love Anthony Davis, but I'm like he's not. He's a top 10 player.

It is who he is. So I thought Vanderbilt was the closest thing because like Rui's not underrated. Maybe he's a little bit overrated even LeBron is not overrated Austin Reeves gets plenty of love I didn't really know where to go so I was like I bet there's a lot of fans out there who don't know who he is so I threw him on there

Yeah, it's very hard to do it for A lot of these super popular teams Like the Lakers and also The Warriors but overall I can agree you know He does a lot of stuff that Is not highlight worthy like what Austin Reed does or AD does or obviously

Anybody of that caliber Or anybody who has that same type of play style. But more so, the only gripe that I have on this list is like, I don't want to say for real gripe. I ain't going to go to war with it. But, you know, I don't think Kevin Herder is underrated, you know. I think he's perfectly rated. No, no, it's not. It is not. It is not. It is not. I love Kevin Hurder. If I could, I, right now on this Atlanta Hawks team, I would probably have him over Desonte Murray just,

Fit wise and also just flow of offense wise. Wow. If you think you'd other have Dejante Murray, I mean, Kevin Hurd than Dejante Murray, he's overrated. He's not underrated. Listen, listen, listen. That's just style of basketball play. That's all I'm talking about right now.

But back to, yeah, back to Kevin Herder. Where was he added in the playoffs? Why was Malik was going crazy in the playoffs? This is this, and this is why, this is why I think that he's underrated. and his underrated goes hand in hand with who I think is overrated for the Kings

and so if we can let's just go to my 5 and then we can like kind of center in on the Kings right now so I'm going underrated and overrated as well so for the Lakers Gabe Vincent is underrated

and Rui is overrated Clippers Clippers is KJ Martin Terrence Mann very fair for the Kings Kevin Herder Malik Monk

for the warriors Kavana Looney Clay Thompson We're pushing agendas here We're pushing agendas here We're pushing agendas And then for the sun And then yeah

For the sons We got we got baits And then Bobo as well I couldn't decide Between Bradley Bill Bobo But like I guess I'll go with Bobo Just

Really Yeah Why do you You go ahead and cook About Herter first Because I have some thoughts About one of those picks So I think that he goes

Hand in hand With Malik Monk being overrated because monk had a like solid playoff series but even in that series he was fairly like hot cold he that's one thing he was very streaky he wasn't crazy efficient and everybody sees just like the volume scoring that he had and was like oh like he's he's he's so much better plus he had the year with the lakers where his profile really rose and so everyone's like he's he's one of the best you know six men in the league he's so streaky he's this he's that and the shooting that the shooting and the moving that kavan herder provides for the kings

unlocks a lot of what they do and he goes hand in hand with Subonis and they're able to play off each other and so they have this really like wide open Warriors light type of offense that they're running. Surprise, surprise, because Mike Brown's coaching him. But that style of basketball

only works when you have a really good shooter who can kind of create a lot of gravity everywhere, create plays off the ball with his screens and stuff like that. And Herder does that. He unlocks a lot of stuff for that. So that's why I think like that's why I think he's underrated.

So you think strictly based off of the archetype. This is what I said earlier, too. Like, you know, for his archetype and his play style, I would rather have someone like him on my team and someone like Desontemarate, whatever, cool. But I'm looking at that, at his archetype and actually what he does on the court.

And I'm like, when, I don't want to say when the moments are bright as he sides away or whatever, but when the Kings needed him the most and when we really needed those deep bomb three threes and a little bit more ball handling aggressiveness that he showed randomly throughout the season for the Kings. It was a big part of them changing everything around along with Sabonis, of course,

and Deerrin Fox and all their voice. I don't want to say, like, I'm not, I don't think he's underrated in my mind, but I guess you can say for the general consensus of NBA fans, that's perfectly fine. I don't think Subonis is, yeah, yeah. On the flip side, I don't think Sabonis is overrated necessarily. I don't think anyone's over here saying, cornerstone of the franchise. Yes, they are. Dear and Fawson.

Listen, I put them in top five in my sentence list. And I understood, like, at the time that that was just an overreaction. That was just like a respect play. But what he did last season and the King's entire season, there's a lot of people on that roster that's going to get love. And if they don't match what they did last season this year, oh, it's going to be a lot of hating. And it's going to be a lot of like, oh, y'all were flukes. People talk about Sabonis after this past year because he had a great regular season, right? was averaging like seven assists a game to 22 points per game pretty efficient like he was a

great offensive player for the regular season people talk about him now like he's one of the best offensive players in the league they call him like baby yokic say he offers you the same time of things all this bullshit he was all NBA he deserved it because you know it's a regular season award he performed at that level but no matter what i feel like i've said this on four episodes now you're never going to be a successful playoff team with de montes subon and his center his style of play offensively and defensively is not conducive to playoff basketball granted he had a hand injury, but you saw with the Warriors, any smart team that can make basic adjustments and strategy will shut you down.

His passing in terms of his hypo stuff is going to be shut down in the playoffs. We got a smart team with the Warriors. His offensive skills, his lack of perimeter shooting, going to be exposed. Defense, obviously not going to be a strength of his makeup for that. I just don't think his regular season success is enough to put him in the caliber player that people like to do. Like, I got flamed in a TikTok for saying that bam is better than it's a bonus. I would take BAM with a thousand times.

Okay, I see what you mean. I remember back in the day before, you know what I'm saying? Miami went on their playoff run. There was actual conversations about BAM versus the bonus. That was actual TikTok frameworks and Twitter layouts and all of this stuff. And that's just not. So I see what you mean. I was the bozo for picking one of the best defensive players in the world over fucking mature San Goon.

Yeah. Yeah. I can see that. I can see that. All it tells me is, hey, you know. You need to get a little bit trigger happy with that block button on TikTok and also change your algorithm. Change our algorithm. So we can roll into my last group.

I think we have a lot of things in common. First off, like, you know, we can just go ahead. And I think probably the craziest thing are the most outrageous thing that may be having KD there instead of Bowl Bowl. All right. Well, let's more for the audio listeners. For the Lakers, underrated, Torian Prince, overrated, Gabe Vincent. Clippers, underrated, Russell Westbrook, overrated, we all agreed pretty much. Bones Highland.

Yeah, not you, but. Yeah, not you. Sacramento Kings, underrated, Davion Mitchell, overrated. I don't really have a player in mind. Say, Sabonis, I don't really have, I can't really say that on my chest. I'm not a glorified hater. Golden State Warriors Underrated

Andrew Wiggins I don't think really anybody can come out of my neck for that He does a lot of valuable things Overrated This is a sweet Clay Thompson

Poor Clay I don't even hate Clay I know I know I know It's about like Brow like What have you done You know what I'm saying

Especially in the playoffs Phoenix Suns Underrated Devin Booker Specifically when I talk about that I just talk about him And being a primary Ball Hander

I can agree It's a Jordan Goodwin thing I can agree with the uh with your pick also donovan overrated i have kevin durant and that's very contradictory so what i did a couple of weeks ago or a couple of days ago with one of the segments that we did so any gripes i mean i mean katy being overrated is is weird i see what you're cooking though i mean i wouldn't go that far but it depends do you think people still view him as like a top three player i think most people will realize that ship is sailed yeah um

people, I never viewed him as a top three player, but I had since never did that, not never. I'm talking about like, you know, over the last year for real. I never viewed him as a top three player. Um, but I really had internal battles myself between Tatum and Katie and viewing what they've done over the last few years and just what Jason Tanner brings the table versus Katie and also the stuff. And just seeing what he's actually done on the court when the lights have been brightest and when teammates need him the most. I, witness, KD, go ahead and have Hell of inconsistent games, shoot fucking tour days, 10 for 31, 8 for 24 type shit, 4, 5 turnovers against Denver Nuggets in a series that a lot of people had, you know,

the Phoenix Suns and Kevin and Rand, especially just demolishing them, not demolishing them, but winning pretty handedly, you know? Yeah. So that is what made me sway that way. I'm not going to like puff out with my chest. Katie, most overrated player in the league. I have one of those. I have maybe two.

or three of those but Kevin Durant is not on my list of so well okay yeah I think a lot of people look past Kevin Durant's failures in the last couple years like that series against the buck I'm a series against the Celtics when he was selling the next year before last was exactly an all-time exposing job like that was equally as embarrassing as LeBron's 2011 finals we just don't give a shit because it wasn't in the finals and it's KD and we're just like best score of all time it doesn't matter they pick and choose well like yeah yeah like in his older age he's had a lot more moments like that where he can be taken out of games because he can't get to the room. And if you take away that mid-range shot, which, you know, take away is being generous

because he's always going to shoot over people. But if you make that more difficult on him, he's more schemable at this point of his career. So I get that. I don't think the general consensus has realized that. Some propaganda that I want to push that no one cares about, but I do, mother effort. Davion Mitchell, trade that man away, set him free. Off night. That's what they call him. Bro, he's gotten less minutes. It's overused as hell, but it was one of the coldest until it got overused, of course. But this man improved in every statistical category, became a better shooter,

improved his field goal percentage, three points percentage. I'm not sure where his point per game, proper game was necessarily. But I just know overall he was a more efficient score across the board. But the minutes for him dropped, of course, naturally when you have someone like Kevin Hurd on your team, the league monk. The opportunity is just not going to be there. And overall, it hasn't been there for a team like the Sacramento Kings who drafted three point guards in a span of like three, four, or four or five years, just things that normal teams don't do. But they did.

And so I feel like Davion Mitchell needs to be freed onto another team where he can actually be a part of a part of a future. He has that type of potential. And right now he's just hidden, stashed away, and no one really cares about him. So I think he's one of the most, one of the more underrated players in the NBA, for sure. Yeah. I tweeted it today. How I know no one cares, my tweet only got eight likes that hurt my heart. And this is why all y'all need to follow us on Twitter.

No motion for real. My dad texting me today. He's screenshot that he's like, get a job. You should listen to this Twitter ad revenue isn't paying the bills. Step it up. You don't do step up. tweeting, who's your favorite player growing up?

Oh, his engagement date. That's hilarious. So I see nobody has Daniel Russell in their underrated players. Is that because you guys feel like everybody knows he sucks or what? Yeah.

Yeah. The jokes are just going to fly all season long. Anytime that he has a bad game, they're going to post a meeting saying like the answer to the Russell is getting shots up after this. He's gotten to the point where he's, his inconsistencies have caught up to him and it's not something where it's like oh it's just one bad playoff run it's even

two bad playoff runs he's just not good in the playoffs he has he has a lot of limitations he's very streaky and i think especially with the contract everybody kind of expects the lakers to move on from him and they're like he has a very tradable contract so it's not anything to be underrated about yeah he's he's properly rated yeah we know what de angelo russell is we know those guys, not good. Facts. Yeah. That's funny.

Okay, fair enough. I see you have Russell Westbrook there for the Clippers Mo. Cool. Yeah, he had a, I think people love him. So, like, obviously he got shit on for his Lakers years, deservedly. Like, he was really bad. But I think it was very quick to flip around. Everybody'd be like, see, I told you he's still good.

Yeah. So y'all were not believing in him. Y'all did not believe in him two months ago, two weeks ago. So I feel like he's probably ready again. People were like, see, he told you. He's good. Yeah. Which is good for him.

He played really well. One thing that I want to say is that I absolutely love the Martin love for the Los Angeles Clippers, bro. He is a fantastic player. Insane rebound or athletic as hell. He's just like, and he's a perfect glue guy. So I love this. How do you all feel about me putting Terrence Band there?

Because both of you guys went both highling. Oh, I agree. Especially, he's overrated simply for the fact that the Clippers are treating him like he's Tyrese Maxie. in these Hardin trade rumors. Thank you. That's literally the only reason why I put him there because it's bothered me

because I'm like, if there's only things standing in between you pairing Paul George and Kauai Leonard with James Hardin is Terrence, man? Idiots, bro. Please. Get over yourself. You know how they're reporting this? They're saying like the clippers are hesitant

to give up their blue chip young assets and draft picks. Young assets! He's 20! He's pushing 30! I thought it was 24, 20. They fooled the world The man is older than us by like five years God

Yeah It's just got not a hint Trade him Get James Hardin in the building And then maybe you have an actual chance At getting a chick this year Yeah, it's ridiculous Yeah

Alright man Let's be want her next division We have six divisions to fly through We can't spend too much time on any of these Let's go to the next one Next up What's the division called again? The Northwest

We have the Northwest Division We have For the Nuggets you know again saying underrated first then overrated so I don't got to say those words a thousand times for the nuggets I have Aaron Gordon and Michael Porter Jr. The Timberwolves I have Jaden McDaniels easiest pick on this whole list

and Carl Anthony Towns Jazz Walker Kessler another easy pick and John Collins Trailblazers Damien Lillard and Anthony Simons and then the Thunder Josh Giddy and Lou Dort Nice how y'all feeling I like

First and foremost the Dame pick I just nobody else underrated on that team i feel that yeah i saw that i listen i know what the game is i know what is wow he's not underrated but their team's ass so i'm like what i can say shade and sharp like i honestly think that this might be the best combination of underrated and overrida i like your list more than my list if we're being real so i think i think you did a great job i think all of these makes sense yeah i think yeah denver nuggets on the money i think i had the same lineup gordon is just overall a peak he's pleat glue

peak glue guy in the NBA does all the dirty work for you he can of course expand his offensive game when needed because he got that reputation reputation when he was with your own ender mag Orlando magic in the trenches love it um Michael Porter judger he's just a sharpshooter bro who had like a lot of hype coming out of high school

in college so it's like I don't even think he's that overrated either it's just like it's a really good team with not a lot of guys and like he fits the billing the most just because like he has a tantal mentalizing skill set that probably some people out there probably say he's better than erin gordon or like he's better than kCP but like i'd rather have both those guys honestly but i don't think he's that overrated he's just not got yeah he's great yeah i don't think he's

that overrated so it's no no hate to him like also cat at this point i don't think he's that overrated but you got to pick somebody i mean he's overrated he's overrated from cat like i think i think if anybody's overrating cat it's him it's him and himself yeah that's understand Lou Dort was another easy-ass pick. It's so funny because, like, even, like, me early in this off-season was, like, his reputation from, like, four playoffs ago

when he was, like, in all the shots, like, stuck in my head forever. But his offensive numbers are so hilariously bad. He has a 46% effective field goal percentage. He shoots 35% on spot-up plays, which includes threes and twos-outs.

That's 32nd percentile on the NBA. He's in the bottom third of players as a spot-up player which there's a lot of fucking bad players out there yeah you look at his like cleaning the glass stats

and they show like percentiles for each area of the court the lower the percentile it's blue the higher percentile is red for like hot and cold straight blue

shit is frozen he's bad at everything give this man a blanket God are you serious cold as shit but it's funny because you look at

Walker Kessler on the other hand he's my underred player for the jazz straight red that man is underweight at everything. I was looking at his,

his number is like, will fucking blow your mind, especially like defensively. Let me look at this. He is, he has a 4.8% block percentage. 99%tile, second highest in the NBA for a big man.

As a rookie. He blocks 5% of the opposing team shots. So they shoot 100 times. He blocks five of them, which seems like not a lot, but per game, like it's,

I'm not going to lie. That was a very anti-climactic I know, I know, I know. Bad way to phrase it. No, honestly, I thought I was going to say a bigger number. That I did the math of my head. I was like, oh, wait. But 99th percentile, he, dude, he gets an offensive rebound on 13.7% of his own team's missed shots.

Now, that's crazy. Over one at every 10 misses, he's grabbing that bitch and you have another chance. Yeah. That's absurd. 93%thal. As a rookie, he, that man's incredible. He's insane, bro. He's in.

Listen, that's one of the reasons Why he's already on this World Cup team Is that like he's just already fantastic And like obviously you have to bring some some young talent into the game And everybody at least team USA and their whole staff They already see how talented he is. So I'm I'm with it I'm with it I like it

The only gripe that I have is Anthony Simons being overrated Can you explain that a little bit for me? Because I have that completely flipped not a little bit overrated but just an free Amphreys Simons I don't view them as

overrated at all again it's another thing with that team I don't read things that are overrated I had to pick somebody it was with him or Jeremy Grant

whatever and I was like people probably have a higher perception of Simons listen if I'm being pessimistic I think people are quick to say

Simons it's on a certain trajectory because of style of play and he hasn't had the touches yet to like see if see if this

hypothesis is correct but I have a feeling he'll be the level of ball handler if he got to be like the guy in a team that's like makes you a decent not great team because he just like isn't great enough in any of the core things

like you know being the off the triple playmaker passer off the triple shooter and his negatives like on defense finishing at the rim or whatever aren't going to are going to be substantial enough that the overall impact isn't going to quite be there enough for him to be the lead ball handler on a team

okay but again he hasn't had the chance to it maybe it will prove me wrong I'm just saying if I got to pick someone for this team is overrated I'll pick him just because you see conversations of like best young guards in the league and it's like start one, bench one, cut one or whatever and he's often in those

and I think some of the people that compare him to are just better. Okay. Okay. All right. All right. Let's get into my next five because I have Simon's on my list as well,

but it's kind of flipped. But for the Nuggets, I have KCP is underrated. Jamal Murray is overrated. I have Nas Reid as underrated for the Timberwolves. Love it. And you can pick either big

for the for the team you can pick cat you can pick old bear and i'll be okay for underrated for the jazz danny ange wow i'm at this point of his career overrated i have a t ht underrated for the uh for the blazers simons and then overrated and then for the thunder isaiah joe is very underrated i'm a huge i love that i'm a huge isaiah joe fan and then also for overrated like you guys like i have Lou door. Oh, Isaiah Joe can shoot that is a real shooter.

Sniper. I'm a huge Isaiah Joe fan. The Senate stickers underutilize him for years. Yeah, bro. So how do we feel? Bro.

I like your list. I like your list. You were cooking with the Isaiah Joe thing. I think he's one of the, I don't want to say next prolific shooters in the NBA or anything like that

and not fit to put those standards on him. But he's going to be one of the next best like potential journeyman maybe over. pay one day who knows when it comes to just what teams expect out of him what a destiny yeah well I mean it's great right I love it he has one bag he love it he has one bag to get he better go get it sign me up 16 MZ here you got it hey man Danny Aange love the pick he's great

THG I probably nobody rates him anymore so I'm like I guess that's fine I had to I had to pick so I really don't think that anybody on the jazz is is overrated and so that was just one of those ones where I had to I had to pick someone um I think for for the nuggets though and I'll I'll you know I'll see Jamal Murray I didn't even notice that ever yeah yeah the only reason why is because as soon as the nuggets won the title and I feel like this entire offseason we are already an anointing Jamal Murray as like an all-star and he's gonna he's gonna get a boost and like hey maybe Jamal Murray should be you know all NBA like once the once like if the nuggets have a very successful regular season and they're on pace to win what 59 maybe even 60 games it's like

is jamal murray one of the five best guards in the west is he one of the three best guards in the west like what are we doing here and i just i already see that talk coming and so i'm getting out ahead of the overrating and i'm going to say that you guys are already doing too much with jamaal murray so let's let's bring it back wow and so that that's why i have him there wow okay yeah i mean i i think he's getting his due, but that's a very fine line. It can easily become overrated. Like, there's so, like, the week of the championship, there was

definitely some takes out there. It was like, listen, Hammer Trey Young, I don't know. Yeah. Relax. Relax. Yeah, them takes existed since way back in the day when the bubble was a thing, bro. A lot of people were, yeah. That was a solidified thing right there. Well, I mean, listen, Bubble Murray kind of,

he earned those comparisons. Bro, playoff Murray in general. He, I think with what he does being quite literally probably I think statistically the greatest playoff riser that we've ever seen step on the court it's ridiculous a lot of people go ahead I mean a lot of people go here we go here we this is how it starts I understand I understand down the road and it's like y'all don't understand Jamal Murray it's just he's just different you just have to be there it's like okay okay hey maybe it's true maybe they read off another title or two maybe it's just facts

yeah I mean like I don't know I understand I don't want to go ahead and discredit him for the person he's playing next to it's it makes his life so much easier but with that being said his job is still fucking hard and you can't go ahead and discredit him or discount him because and rate him lower than the next guy because the next guy just has more attention around him and whatnot like that's not to Jamal Murray's fault he's doing exactly what he's supposed to do and he's excelling thriving being the best at anyone can be at their role you know so I can't really put him in overrated now If you, like you said, if you go ahead and put them in conversations with like, you know, I would say like a John Morant or train young or, you know, guys like that, I'm like, okay, we probably need to relax a little bit.

He's like that. Yeah. But there's things outside. He deserves it. He deserves at least an off season of overrating. Okay. Like you could, you could propel somebody when they do something that amazing. He gets six months of that.

That way. If he doesn't do it next year, it comes on the regular season, average 19, then we'll have to talk. That's fair. Okay. For now, it's just rating. It's just rating what he just did. It's not over or under yet. TBD.

Let's go ahead and put my list up. All right. So for the Denver Nuggets, just like Isaac. AG, MPJ, MPJ, I think that goes without saying with Aaron Gordon. I think the greatest school guy in the league, probably MPJ. He's cool. Jana McDaniels, Cat, like you said, Donovan, go ahead and pick a big. Utah Jazz.

I have John Collins. I am feeling a little bit up the mystic about him. Hopefully, I'm thinking, I'm assuming that his finger will swell down a little bit and eventually some team might get swindled into throwing this man a bag. All right. Under overrated, Jordan Clarkson, I see what he does. It's good. It's great, but I don't think, you know, like, I don't think any team is feeney for him necessarily like that.

They understand his role. Anthony Simons, that's something I could touch on later. Underrated and Shaden Sharp. I have a little bit overrated then for O KC. I got Josh Giddy and Trey Man. All right. So off back. Do you guys anything to say? I wanted to go Shaden Sharp Overrated too. I was just like let me not say this about a rookie in a given time, but people definitely maybe I've also probably done something like this in the past too have definitely propelled him to be compared to some of the rookies in the class that did more than the rookie year just because like he's exciting and like we hope that he can become the

player with his role tools but yeah really that's about it it's not a great shooter yet not a great finish yet jumps for high obviously not good defender's a rookie yeah we definitely propel him until like oh listen you might pick him top five in the redraft and shit like that it's a bit excessive so i get it but i was just like i'm not going to say a rookie with promises overrated yet to give him some more time yeah exactly it has nothing to do with him and what he's actually done on the court you're a fucking rookie i don't expect you to do too much everybody just licking his balls right now because they didn't see this man playing college. The last time we saw him play was an AAU in high school.

Now y'all want to go ahead and act like Anthony Simons don't exist. Y'all want to go ahead. Oh, I want you to go ahead and trade away. Damil Lidd. We can have a backcourt of school in Sharp. What are you talking about? We have someone who's who has a direct path of being a borderline fringe potential all-star in Anthony Simons, who's a sniper.

a lot of qualifications from hell that what you just said hold on hold on what you just said is why I put Simon's in overrated potential to be a borderline something something something maybe potentially if the rain is not too bad that week

All Star it's only there because he shoots off the drobo a lot and people think that's a fun skill set that's like listen a lot of other All-Stars is going to do that I don't think he's done anything at a high enough level yet to think he's going to make an All-Star leap it's always possible he's young but that type of stuff is

Like, I don't, what has he done so great that you think he's on the path to be an All-Star? That's not the question that I am going to answer. The question that I'm going to answer is, what hasn't he done? The question that I have to answer is, what hasn't he done for you to go ahead and put him on the trading block for any type of assets and not build a future between school and also, you know? If you're building, if you're building your team around Simons. That's a crazy question. If you're building your team around Simons, you do recognize that your team is. is in a very bad position.

Like, he wouldn't be one of like, same with Sharp. Right now. No, I agree. Listen, I didn't say anything about shit.

I just didn't say that. That's them. That's not me. I'm saying that for Simon's. I'm saying that for Simons. There's 15, 20, maybe even 30 guys that I would rather build my team around. For sure.

Before I get to him. And so I, I have, listen, I have him as underrated as well, but that's more just because of the way that he's been discussed in these trade talks and people kind of talk about him like is like out like a kind of like a throwing piece and it's like hey well the the blazers just need to get rid of him because

they have scoot and because they have sharp and I agree they are they are forgetting about the things that simons can do but when you say borderline fringe potential all start that's that's what he can that's what he can be that's what he can be at his peak you literally are reaching with those three adjectives to try to put to all start you see when I say that when I say that when I say that of course I threw in the word potential no shit he's not that right now come on now let's be real but we see a real world and where he can become things of like that we see a real world where he can be in the same tier as a la fucking Zach Levine you know knowing you want to build your team around knowing you're going to go ahead okay listen listen yeah look I'm not I'm not gonna

fight you over over Anthony Simons like with it just I'm just like I'm just not gonna do he's just not on that level we don't have time for this argument today we don't time for that but I haven't seen anything. It doesn't move me that much to the point where I say he's going to be a top five shooting guard in the league based on what I've seen him do on the shitty Blazers team.

It's possible. I'm not willing to say I think that's going to happen first. I won't be shocked if it does, but I don't think it's like an endeavor. We can move on. All I'm saying is that he should be one of the main sticking pieces

for the Portland's Overs. As it instead of a change and start. All right. Let's hit the next division. Let's go. We got a speed. through some of these we don't want this to be another four hour pod next night we have the

oh we got the east right here the southeast division that what's called yeah yeah okay yeah I don't know shit about these division names same right in the bag again underrated and overrated I have for the Hawks Tray Young and Dejante Murray you're part of the problem

the magic I don't know what that means we get to it the magic I have Franz Wagner and oh I wrote nobody oh I didn't put anybody to my sent to come out wow Damn, I bitched out, fuck.

Okay, let me think, I'm going to put, let's put Cole Anthony there, I guess. At the heat, we'll put BAM out of bio and Tyler Hero. The Hornets will say, oh, this is marked wrong. He wrote Tyler Hero on there. Yeah, I was like,

I was going to tick my wool. That's funny. I put lamello ball for underrated and Gordon Hayward for overrated. Okay. I like it. I knew you go with Lamello. Yeah, Lamello's underrated at this point.

very underrated okay okay I like it what do you think that is that's not bad I agree with you wholeheartedly on the Hawks on the magic and and even even on the Wizards um so yeah listen you do it you're doing really good I think this is this is one of the first like list type things where I think you and I have kind of seen eye to eye would normally on normally on opposite side so this is kind of new love yeah yeah trained is Dejante, easy picks. Traean's got shit on way too much for a down year last year.

Everybody is so reactionary to what you've done for me lately. He's going to bounce back and be fine. He's still Tray Young. Dejante, very overrated because he put up numbers on a shitty spurs team.

I think he is the definition of good, not great, always will be. I think he doesn't do nearly enough with the ball in his hands to be so special that it should mean his hands that much, and he's just straight up

not good with the ball out of his hands. Franz Wagner, most underrated player in the league, him and Jay McDaniels. I love it. I was like, I guess. not a lot of underrated players in the heat they're very hyped

and uh don't just says you fucked it up again to kill he put Anthony in uh in Miami it's supposed to be a Tyler Hero there I don't feel like Tyler Hero is that overrated but you know it's got to be somebody yeah and I think the mellow ball is

one of the more underrated young players in the league right now people just forget because he was so injured but he's on the path to legitimately being a special lead guard who can be pushing to like superstar territory obviously he's already an all star but he can be like a centerpiece of a team and that can actually contend one day. Yeah, absolutely.

I like this. I like this. Yeah, I mean, I don't have too much to say. Lamello, on point. I'm not going to go to bat with you between coups and pool. It is what it is. The Hawks, of course, I agree. I think, you know, the Trayong hate has just been insane.

Team USA basketball, him crying about it. This is just nasty talk. And I'm happy that we all see pretty much eye to eye with that. So it's cool. all right cool all right we'll get to my five isaac same exact with you i think trade's a little bit underrated right now i think dejante's overrated i think franz uh franz vagner is underrated i think jonathan isaac is overrated not by a lot of people in like NBA in like the NBA

but there's a lot of people who watch a certain news network that still think that he's an NBA player because they always put it on the ticker he hasn't played a game in four years people have entire careers since the last time i think played a game so that's really ridiculous. Ben Shapiro loves him. Yeah, for the heat. I'm Tyler Hero as both underrated and overrated. It's a little bit of both. This really just depends on I agree. I agree. Yeah. For underrated for the Hornets, it's really nobody because for me, I was thinking about Lamello in that space and he is, at least in my mind. I don't know how to gauge him because on one hand, I do think that he is underrated and that like,

He was hurt a lot last year. He is a very good playmaker. He can do a lot of things to really elevate the hornets. But also, I look at him, him, Tyrese, and Ant all got contract extensions this summer. They all got the same, like, you know, Super Max deal, da-da-da. I think that Ants and Tyrese are in a different tier than Lamello. And so, but when I think about, okay, these are the guys who have the max contracts moving forward, Lamello is kind of lumped in there

And I don't think that he quite belongs there So that's what I'll put that's all put him at overrated Okay I think that's but also like and then like I think you think there he's not in that tier Because he missed your three and didn't give a chance to prove it Well no I've had I've had a couple questions about Lamello Just as like a high as as as a score His defense

You guys joke about me but we've seen two We've seen two Talking about them damn playing games for In high leverage moments And it hasn't been great And 19 and 20 Yeah Let it go

God Geezer shit They've had questions They've had questions Okay That's it Anyways overrated for the Hornets Kelly Ubrae

He's too pretty He's too pretty They think he's like The prettiest play in the league He's not that anyway He's past his prime And then for the Wizards I think Denia

Is kind of underrated I think he's a really good He's a really good defender and people really just they don't care about the wizards so I like I like him as underrated and I just had to pick somebody

as over as overrated for the wizard so Landry Shammett you are a streaky shooter and I think that you caught fire in last year's playoff so people think that you're a better shooter than what you are

so you're over there Langee nobody fucks with Shammett bro damn fuck it is what it is every Sun's fan hated his ass last year

you got so much P.T. Monti Williams loved him and they were just like, why is he on the court so much? They loved him. He was not a good shooter in the regular season. Wow. I wouldn't know that, bro. I guess Shama deserves it. Oh, well, I was standing back when he was in college. It is what it is, though. The only thing that I have you shavan in college. Look, let's not have these conversations because what I'm about to say is even worse. I was going to have a whole dialogue about Denny Abdiya, but we don't have time for those conversations on when I say is that he's on defense of being just a me, bench, bench,

player who can do mad things who really can't shoot and those really aren't really ultra valuable in the NBA but he's a cool player anyway just go ahead into my list speed run um underrated of course I wanted to put Trey young but I had to put some sign on Jalen Johnson if you go ahead and look at his stats god damn bro they're not that pretty but when he was on the court when he was on the court he showed some connecting things that would help bring in Trey Young and Dejonte Mary and also AJ Griffin and Dionne Trencher just B he would clog a lot of holes that we have as a team because a fucking fake freight train he has hops he's that he's a vertical threat And then on top of that he has vision now I'm not thinking listen listen listen listen he ain't done shit yet But he could exactly exactly now I think Jalen Johnson is going to have a fantastic year and he's going to be a big part of

not a big part of the reason. Let me slow down, okay? He's going to be one of the key reasons why the Hawks have a turnaround season because of the more flowy offense. And if we do involve more ball movement, it's going to be mainly because of him because he's such an unselfish player.

Desonte Marie overrated, whatever cool. Franz Wagner, Jonathan Isaac, we locked in. Kyle Lowry, Tyler Hero, Charlotte Hornets, Mark Williams, and I also put it in Lamello because, like you said, Isaac, he just hasn't played

and no one really remembers how good he was and how generational I feel like his passing has a potential to be overrated bro who is good enough for me to call them overrated they won like 20 something 30 games I'm not doing that okay it gets hard it gets really hard Nikiel can you out in my list can you put Jonathan Isaac for the magic for me I don't need to throw Cole Anthony strays

I just pick the name on my ass I don't think Cole anything's overrated at all John Isaac deserves all the strays clean Sleep. We're lost. A live update just to kick Jonathan Isaac's ass. I love it, bro. Oh, man. Jonathan Isaac is so irrelevant.

I spelled his name wrong, and I spelled it as if how I spell your name, Isaac. He's just so gone, bro. He just doesn't exist to be wrong, too. Well, no, I know my name like John Isaac. You just don't know how to spell. Hey, spelling me, me. Say it again.

Say it one more time. I won. I'll do what. See me. this video. And then watch the Wizards, JP for underrated and Denny overrated.

We don't have to have real conversations, but I think JP's going to show its value because he has not a lot of pressure and he can just let that motherfucker fly with no judgment. Yeah, I can see that. He's probably got a little too much hate. People are saying like he's absolutely useless. So he'll look better this year, but prove that shit first.

He was not good last year. That's fair to say. I think he can easily prove it with a team like the Wizards, Who rates Denny like that? Listen, I will have nasty conversations over here about Denny. All right? Look, no, that's why you've been a shot at you, bro. I had high hopes.

Back in 2019 or 2020, actually, I said that this man's NBA draft comparison was Ben Simmons Light with a jump shot. I was misled. I was delusional. I was dead wrong. Yeah, it was a crazy comparison. That was ridiculous.

Yeah, that's on you. Let's see. Yeah. Yeah. You always on to hear some Dejante Murray. so I can tell you why he's super-operated. No, God, let's move on. Do it quickly, I guess.

So, like I said, not good enough of the ball in his hands to be somebody that can really drive your offense at an elite level, future with the ball out of his hands. On spot-up plays last year, which, no, is real important when you're playing next to somebody like Trey Young,

he was in the 29th percentile. Bottom third of the league as a spot-up player. When he had the ball in his hands as a pick-and-roll ball handler, 0.96 points of possession. Decent, not great. Trey Young is at like 1.04. That's like a great pick and roll ball handler.

You look at his ISOs take up 16% of his plays. Big amount. 50th percentile. Pure mid. Literal definition of mid right in the middle of all guards. He cuts on 1.5% of his plays. 33rd percentile. Bottom third of the league.

How do I feel, Mo? He runs off screen on 3% of his plays. 23rd percentile. There's not a single element of off ball play that he does at an above. average level embarrassing but you know what you can do though overrated you know what he can do though talk about that grind talk about the trenches talk about he how he got it from the mud that's important good for him all right i'm sure he had a really tough upbringing and i'm happy he

made it to the NBA he should not be playing next to tray young it's ridiculous he's a terrible fit with trey young he's a very good player that should be in a team that doesn't already have a star point card yeah exactly the hawks have upper management issues and that's the only reason why he was a to this roster um wrestler go to hell that's what the next division yeah which one's up which one's up next we have the south

southwest division yeah this would be a fun one so unrated I have for the Rockets Tari Easton is underrated and Kevin Porter Jr. is overrated I don't think people really rate him like that but it's like who are you going to pick spurs I have Devon Vassel and Kelden Johnson Pelicans Trey Murphy and Brandon Ingram

the Grizzlies I know it's a weird one I love Brandon Ingram but it's got to be said Grizzlies I have Jaron Jackson Jr. and Marcus Smart and then the Mavs

Green and Kyrie Ooh okay okay nice I'm trying to see something that I go ahead wait okay talk to me

about Tar Eason yeah because the Rockets have a lot of guys and this young chorus especially now that like Van Vleet and Udoca are there. Everyone's like, listen, they have a young court that could be molded. And Isan is a name that's been popping a lot. What are you seeing with Tar Heeson?

Why is he underrated? Yeah. He is just a bulldozer to the rim. Great finisher. You see him in like Summer League and stuff like that, and we're playing against lower level talent. He looks like fucking LeBron. He puts his shoulder down and guess wherever he wants.

And you still see that in the NBA. He's a great finisher at the rim. All his room finishing stats are above average. He has that. Doesn't have the outside shot yet, but he profiles as a really good ribbon finisher. But even on top of that, he's just a playmaker at all the little things.

In terms of steel and block percentage, he's in the 93rd percentile in steel percentage and 98th percentile in block percentage. So he's a top three shot blocker as a forward in the league. Pretty incredible. The fact he only does this without getting a ton of minutes. It's impressive. He gets an offensive rebound on 10% of his team's misses.

For a forward, he's six eight a forward he plays the three sometimes four ten percent offensive remount percentage that's absurd Isaac the analytics assassin he will get you with all the percentages all the angles of all the deep cuts

you want to on their podcast this is what he will provide you with you ain't never hear anybody talk about torres and like that he's just a perfect role player to play next to players that have more of a high usage and will be the scores for you he'll come out here and be the defensive playmaker who clean the boards

do all the small things you need, which is essential when your team like the Rockets who are building around bigs and guards, having that guy in the middle is going to prove to be incredibly valuable as his core starts to develop into a winning team. Absolutely. I agree.

I'm with it. I'm with it. And Kevin Porter, Jr., he just dribbles real good. Yeah, he just dribbles real good. Yeah. The highlight of Kevin Porter Jr. is when he put 50-something points on Drew Holiday's head,

and when he got traded to the Houston Rockets initially, and a lot of people are going crazy with the James Harden love. So anyways, that's all I'm going to say. Yeah, very fun player. Miss Cass is a point guard. Once he gets to a role as being a shooting guard, probably off the bench, I think we'll be solid. Yeah, these are nice.

All right, let's roll into my five. For the Rockets, I have Jalen Green as underrated, Sangoon is overrated. Ooh, okay. For the Spurs, I have Zach Collins as underrated, Kelden Johnson as overrated. For the Pelicans, same as Isaac, Trey Murphy, Brandon Ingram is the one that's overrated.

For the Grizzlies, I genuinely feel, and like, I know this is a cop-out, but I genuinely feel like nobody's underrated. I genuinely feel that way. And I think that Desmond Bain is just a little bit overrated. And then for the Mavs, I think Seth Curry is a little bit underrated. And I think that Luca is a little bit overrated. Wow. Lucas overrated. He was, he was his MVP pick last year, huh?

I remember. No, no, no. We have TikTok about you telling me. me when we get our award check-in around February. Oh, okay, okay, okay. Yeah. You're on evidence. You're trying to lie like that.

Yes. Yeah. That's right. They were like the 19 when you said that. Preseason, it was M-B. And then we saw all the stuff that the Luca was doing. And you saw that 9-seat Luca and you were like, give it to him. Hold yourself accountable.

I was just going off a precedent. That's all I was doing. However, what I think with Luca. And I just watched the, I watched a video, a thing in basketball video the other day. And he's doing this series on like, on like, um, like irregular you know like offensive engines right so he had this he had this episode on alan iverson and he's talking about how alan iverson you know like people look at him as like the shot chucker and and his play style even whenever he went to a team with better offensive players it didn't

necessarily translate to like a better offensive team and that his style is kind of built for teams that really don't have anybody and that he's more of a floor razor than a ceiling razor and i i loki am starting to get the same vibe with luca i i'm they trade for karee last year and like i think that one the fact that the vibes were completely off in the moment they they got luka i mean from the moment they got karee they missed the play in he feels the same way as like hey if you give him nobody and his play style which is very ball dominant he can do everything you're obviously going to have to get the right pieces around him defensively shooters that type of stuff, but I don't think, I don't think his shooting is good enough to say like a prime

James Harden to where you can realistically ask him to, you know, go on a whole bunch of other different teams and kind of mesh with a lot of other people. And so I, I feel like there's some limitations with, with Luca. I think you're crazy as hell. You out of your mind. You out of your fucking mind. I think you're insane. I knew what you guys were going to say, but there's, I get it. I get it. I see why you say that it's not it's not crazy i'm joking you know i don't agree but i see i see the signs that you see and why you reach those conclusions i think the difference is it's just it's just starting to feel that way not not what you mean not even that this is like my definitive you know take on lucca no i get okay but it's like the difference between like let's say the alan iverson comparison the difference

there is alan iverson was if you want to say luca's an inefficient shot chucker to some degree and you compare that to allan iverson sure difference is ai was a slightly above average passer for being generous and Lucas is the second best passer in the NBA. There comes to setting people up, he is the best out of outside of Nicole Yokic and maybe LeBron James. That's the difference there where it gives him that ceiling of why he's talked about as one of the best offensive players in the league. That is like truly a difference maker with him.

Yes. But there is some flaws in his game that he has to come around and fix. He has to get better off ball, let Kyrie Cook to maximize their ceiling. So if you want to say he's overrated because he hasn't fixed those flaws yet and people talk about like he has, I understand. I just wouldn't project. for that to be a long-term issue. But, I mean, I think, I think the projection is, is fair because I don't think that there's

anything that Lucas has shown in his time in the NBA that, that says, oh, he's good at at playing off the ball. He's good at giving up control of the offense. He's good at being a wingman for another primary ball handler. And so if you ask me, hey, how's the next decade of Lucas career going to go? He's probably going to go kind of similar to this. Like, he's going to be very ball dominant. And again, not even like to hate or to start anything, but a lot of the stuff that we're seeing like with Tray Young we're probably going to see with Luca.

It's going like there's a difference though. There's a difference because I will say as an Atlanta Hawks fan, we did a pretty good job of building a team around Tray Young. And we have every almost every exactly whatever pretty. That's why I said pretty good. But over there in Dallas, they did the most horrendous job anyone could possibly do. do he's never had a young core like trey young he never came up with anybody bro the the only player that you know he kind of liked playing or uh mark human kind of had him playing playing alongside just a little bit and then he shook his ass out of there was dennis smith

junior bro he's never had anyone remotely around his age that he can actually run with build with mold with or anyone who can he's never even had an opportunity until this past season to play with someone like a kai river ring the closest thing to that Prior is Jalen Brunson, but Jalen Brunson is like, it's a sticky situation with Jalen and also Spencer Dinwiddie. So I think he just needs more opportunity, more of a team. He needs a legit center who can fucking slant who's a vertical threat and actually block shots. I don't want to see him fight for his life with Maxie Kleber and fucking Dwight Powell. Like if you put that core alongside any other young player in the NBA, they're struggling, they're in mud, they're in hell.

and they're not even making a buyout. I understand that they're struggling. And I'm not saying that, like, Lucas's not top 10 or whatever. Like, that's not, that's not where my gripe is because I understand that Lucas, Luca's ability to floor raise because of his passing ability is amazing. I'm saying when we start talking about, you know, I feel like for the last three, four years, we've come into the seasons. Like, hey, this is the year. Like, Luca, he's made, he made all NBA last year. He's probably going to win MVP this year.

like the Mavs are going to do it, they're going to do it. And it just hasn't happened. And obviously part of that is team construction, but we also haven't seen Luka make sizable jumps in those holes in his game. I don't think I'm part sure. And I think, and I think, yeah, let me explain. No, I'm saying in terms of like the holes, I'm saying specifically with defense and off ball and off ball play.

I just don't think it matters because I agree with your points in general. Trading is a good comparison because I think those flaws matter. him. It doesn't matter for Luca because he's legitimately going to be one of the greatest ball handlers of all time. In terms of offensive production and being a lead guard, you say you don't know if he can be a secondary playmaker next to someone like Irie. It doesn't matter. Luca is one of the most talented players to ball in his hands of all time already. It's ridiculous. 32 points per game on over 60% true shooting percentage while being the second best passer in the NBA. The only people that can compare are LeBron James and James Hardin.

James Hardin isn't in that caliber because every year in the playoffs, he falls off a fucking Cliff and can't perform with his style of play, we don't have those questions with Luca Donchich. We look at his playoff series over his career, 31 points for game, 35 points for game, 29, 32, 32. He's risen in the playoffs every single year. He's continues to be a better and better score every single season while maintaining that level of passing. You don't see that downside when it comes to the production that you see with someone like James Hardin or someone like Trey Young, who's too small and can be attacked in the playoffs like you saw the Miami Heat do. So it doesn't really,

really matter at the end of the day if he can be a secondary ball handler when he is the best primary ball handler in the entire league it does matter though and it does it does it does matter if you are because nobody's going to be able to win a championship by themselves right like that's that's true if you anybody can it's going to be him i i just i just i disagree i disagree dude james imagine the best year regular student james hardin if he did that in the playoffs you would be like this that's crazy and that's what luka does like you give him the proper team i want to say by himself i know like that's hyperbolic he can't do it by himself but that comes down to team building and finding a team that can succeed around his play style

he has that type of play style and has risen to the occasion every single time and challenged teams with a far better depth chart than he has i think he has a style of play that he can overcome those weaknesses i don't i don't i don't know i'm i'm unsure i think i think to close this off real quick, you'll get all, all your answers will get resolved when they put a competent rat, real ass center next to him instead of pairing up Max Creebrier, Christian Wood, and all them boys, and just fill out the roster alongside Kyrie. So we can move in. Yeah, they fucking suck, bro, and it's ridiculous.

Like, the bigs are so important. It's some of the easiest points that I'm not going into it. Let's go ahead and bring up my list so we can let's like speed through this shit. It's a good debate, though. I appreciate that off the wall pit because there is a lot of nuance on the Luca discussion at this point of his career

this type of season coming up is where he's going to answer those questions so I don't think it's crazy. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I'm excited for them. He has a lot to prove and let's just roll into it. So for the Houston Rockets,

I have Tori Easton, overrated. I have Jalen Green. I don't think he provided, I didn't see, in the areas that I wanted to see growth, I didn't see that at all. and I think he just stayed basically the same player

who just took the same or took more shots. We can talk about that later if you want. It is what it is. San Antonio Spurs underrated, Devin Vassel, overrated, Keldon Johnson. Overrated for Keldon Johnson is pretty much a clean sweep. We are right here.

Norris Pelicans. Underrated, Trey Murphy. We are right here. And overrated. I have C.J. McCollum. Memphis Grizzlies. underrated Marcus Mart and

Tillman I'm a big Tillman guy and then when it comes to overrated when it comes to overrated I have Zaire Williams Dallas Mavix okay yeah right it's like he does not deserve those 15 minutes again

yeah I'm not I'm the worst person to talk about basketball his ass to the French Dallas Mavix underrated Josh Green He's hard as hell Nice

And then When he came to overrated Grant Williams He's great But I don't You know Maybe my algorithm Is tweaking

But people are talking about I'm like he's a third star Such like that In my opinion So I'm not really You follow some Numb skulls Grant Williams is fine

Facts He's just Grant Williams Yeah he's all right So Which anything I love what we all put Calvin Johnson Yeah

Let's talk about The Pelicans Real quick Before we move on We both put Ingram You put C.J. I don't think putting a C.J. is crazy. Yeah.

I'll let you I'll explain why I put Ingram and you can tell us what you didn't. Yeah. So I put Ingram because I'm scared that he is becoming. Listen, I'm the biggest brand Ingram fan of the world.

You go to my Twitter, put my ad and type Ingram you're going to see so much love. But I'm scared he's becoming the exact player that I don't like that is decent with the ball in his hands but not good enough to make you a top offense and doesn't do a fucking thing

when the ball's not in his hands. I'm worried that's becoming him. Yeah. What do you think though? That's fair. My thing with Brandon Ingram, like I almost put him on my list too, but I didn't want to because I just felt like I had more reasons to put someone like C.J. McCollum on my list. When it comes to Brandon Ingram, like, I think he's a better score than C. McCollum. And also, he's a better facilitator than C.C. McCollum, better defender. But I'm not really sure if that's saying too much because they're both not the greatest of whatnot. But C. C. McCollum is just that bad on that. And so when I look at someone like C. C. McCollum,

I'm like, you just got paid a big ass bag. David Griffin, suspect GM, by the way, as of late, just extended him for fucking no reason whatsoever at all. So I see CJ, you're a fucking great score, a three-level guy, and we love to see that the Hesies are immaculate, some of the greatest heroes. Very good score. We don't got to give him the great title.

He's not- Whatever. Whatever. You know exactly. Yeah, he's not looking. You know what I mean now. Yeah. But when it comes to the other things that I'm looking at, I think that he doesn't add as much value as you could say someone like Alonzo

Ball did a couple years ago or Jew Holiday did a couple years ago for a team like the New Orleans puck is what they need. All he does is shoot and do really cool driven moves on that court. He's not playing no defense. He has a huge issue of playing making. That's a big part of the reason why the Portland Trailblaers just always fell off a fucking cliff when Damelaer went off the bench. CJ is not, that's not his go-to thing. Getting people involved. It's not his back. necessarily. And that's why I had him over Ingram when it comes to just saying he's overrated. Okay. I think people know that more. And I think people have higher expectations for Ingram because of

the style of play. Everybody loves a big wing who can get a bucket. And I think people continue to project forward for Ingram to continue to develop like he's still a young guy. He's 25, about to be 26. Yeah. He turned 26, I think this week. Yeah. He's not young. This is who he is. And I think he's a very useful, good player. Sneaking in a couple more All-Star games maybe. But he's just not going to make that next level lead people want him to make, I don't think. He was supposed to be, he was supposed to be big bro, main guy on Team USA. Can't even get the shine on there. Maybe the ranch?

Really? He got bench today for Josh Hart. That is embarrassing. Pack it up. Pack it up. That is embarrassing. The superstarship is sailed. God, yeah.

It's over. Psychic status. He's still really good. It's just not quite as good as people think. Let's go the next division. Next one we got going back to the east. Central. Central division.

You got to say, well, I'm never going to know this. I got to you. I know what is called Atlantic. I guess that's the east we haven't done yet. That's only one I know.

I know Atlantic. I know Pacific. Other than that, it's just a bunch of words. But yeah, underrated and overrated. For the bucks, I have Brooke Lopez.

And overrated, I have Grayson Allen. For the Bulls, I have Zach Levine and Patrick Williams. For the Pacers, Andrew Nemhard and Buddy Hill. For the Pistons, Jalen Dern,

Joe Harris and the Cavs, Darius Garland, and Karas Levert. Oh, man. Solid picks. Love the Brooke Lopez love. We are a very pro, we are also a very pro Brooke Lopez and a very pro Darius Garland pod. So I like those as well. Very pro Darius Garland.

He's getting so slept on just because Donovan Mitchell came and took the shine. And there's been a lot of point guards exploding last year, Dierran Fox, Tyrese Halliburton, et cetera, Jamal Murray for that matter. Jalen Brunson, just a lot of other guards to talk about last. year while Darius Garland became a side kick he is just as good as those guys gonna be better than some of those names I said I won't tell you which ones I don't want to get y'all that but he's in that mix and people don't realize it I love it I love it I love it I also love the Andrew Nemhart thing very good yeah very good very good guard off the

bench for the Indiana Pacers he literally came out of nowhere in my mind but he's such a valuable asset to have when you know you have a star player like Tyrese Halliburton who's missed time this last season so I fucking love this shit dog the only thing I don't like it's Patrick Williams we've had that conversation before it's kind of wash or whatever

yeah did that one for you again there's just nobody overrated on the Bulls everybody on the Bulls get shit on all the time people talk about them like they're just like a steaming pile of wet cardboard like it's just like nobody gives a shit about them like what I'm like whooosovich nobody likes Vucevich like I don't know

yeah that's fair that's fair Division. I think this is the least interesting group. Yeah, for sure. The door names out there. All right. So, for my underrated for the bucks, I have Pat Conantton, overrated Chris Middleton. For the Bulls, I have Javon Carter underrated. Patrick Williams for overrated.

For the Pacers, Obey is underrated. Yeah, no, no. Obey is underrated. Benedict Matherin is overrated. For the Pistons, for the Pistons, Sadieck Bay is underrated. Whoa, whoa, whoa, pause real quick. The deep bay is on the Atlanta Hawks, my brother. And that's why you were lower on the Hawks. Exposed.

Yeah, that's why you're alone on the spacing is going to be crazy. Yeah. That's on me. That's on me. That's on me. That's on me. I'm tripping. Dang.

I'm really a bear side of. We need plumbers. Overrated is Cade Cunning him? Yeah. I still have some questions on on Cade. Um, and then for the Cavs, underrated is Darius Garland. Overrated is, uh, Evan Mowby. You just don't like tall guards who can pass.

He don't like tall, licekin guards who can pass, bro. That's what it is. I don't like tall guards. I don't like tall guards who aren't efficient at the rim or shooting threes. Like he's not, he's not great. His rookie season, and that's the only one,

actually, no, he's only played two years. His first year, 58% at the rim, 28th percentile in the league. In the short amount of time, in the 12 games that he played in the second year, 54% at the rim, 14%, 14th percentile. For threes, for all threes, in his rookie season, 31%, 19th percentile in the 12 games last year, 30% from 3, 13th percentile. He has a lot of questions at the most efficient shots in the game as a big score.

So he needs to answer those before I truly think that like, Kate is going to be this insane franchise cornerstone that we think that he's going to be. Yeah, I understand that. I'm throwing last year out the window it's only 12 games poor shooting it's fine but I agree he still has to do it but do the small sample size

I think he will I see no reason to believe he won't if he doesn't I'll be wrong but I have all the faith in the world that Kate is going to become a great player yeah I also think like he's become he fell out of the conversation like he's the most forgotten number one overall pick

because he's on the pistons and missed the second year so like I don't think people would like rate him highly yeah and I think it's kind of like in line and on top of that His game is not necessarily the most, like, insane or exciting. He's going to throw some fantastic passes, but no one's calling one of the best passes in the NBA. He's going to do some shit really nice with the ball, nice three-level score.

He has a potential to be that at least. But, you know, he's not one of the best scores in the NBA. He's just a very solid point guard who's, you know, like, I don't want to say can be the franchise piece of your team, but he can definitely be in that, like, second tier of. He definitely can be a franchise player at some point. He's still so young and has played so few games. He still has a chance. Yeah, he has a chance. I think, but that three-point shooting has to come back around.

He has to come back to college shooting. That's the biggest concern is that it has not been there in the NBA. The rim scoring, I can guarantee, is going to go up there. I don't have, just no part of me I think he's going to be a poor rim finisher. But that three-point shooting, that's the scariest part. If that doesn't come around, he'll never make the true start leap. Yeah, I can agree to that. I can agree to that for sure.

So, yeah, let's go ahead and move on to mine. Shot to Pat Connington. Let's see Mosulis. for the Milwaukee Bucks Overrated and are underrated and Overrated Brooke Lopez podcast We said it and I'm standing 10 toes down on it Overrated a little bit I'm not

You know staying staying Drew Holiday Chicago Bulls Underrated Zach Levine Whatever overrated Lanzo Ball I just don't think he's going to change The entire trajectory of that franchise Indiana Pacers

underrated. He's nice though, but whatever. Indiana Paces, underrated. Obie. Overrated. I'm not no single player from that team because they're extremely young and there's not too much there. Detroit Pistons.

Underrated, Cade. I think a lot of people forget how good he is, but I'm not blaming that on anybody because he literally hasn't played basketball in ages. Only played 12 games. That's the year. It's insane. and overrated. I don't know why I put James Wiseman there. I think I just put that there to hate genuinely, bro,

because no one thinks he's overrated. Everyone thinks he's ass. Yeah, exactly. Cleveland Cavaliers, underrated, Jared Allen. I know this day will come where he eventually gets traded and, you know, Caves at the folks front of us to realize, you know, until Evan Mowgli gains a jumper, our ceiling as a team is capped with them playing together

because it's naturally in the NBA and also with how their team has been constructed in the past. I don't know if Max Truce will change lives for them 110% but they just need more spacing for Dary's Garland and Donald Mitchell to cook and I think Jared Allen will definitely be

the odd man out rightfully so but with him being the odd man out I still think he can be a huge plus and a defensive anchor to any team that he will probably get traded to in the next I don't know to maybe two and a he's good people definitely he forget he was an all-star year before last like he's a great player

yeah yeah for sure and overrated carous lover it's so funny lonesome wise man you're just punching down yeah yeah i just have to like i'm not i'm not going back and forth your leg doesn't work bum bum yeah but other than that the only thing that is the craziest thing that people will probably have to say is maybe the drew holiday thing i love me some drew holiday No, I think that's fair. I think that's fair. There has to be... Let me say some numbers.

Go ahead. Go crazy. Wait, before you go, before you say your numbers, let me say my just general knowledge things. Offensively, Drew Holiday, you are wildly inconsistent. It's like he can have 20 plays where he's a straight-up brick offensively. He's shooting six for 20. But he has that one defensive highlight, two, three defensive highlights.

Everybody forgets about this shit. And it's easy to forget about when you have someone like Janus on your team and Chris Middleton whenever he decides to be. healthy as well so yep he in his last sixth playoff series we'll go seven so it's the last since 2021 through now so which is the year they won the title through now 40 and i'm gonna say is a filigal percentage in each series first one we're starting for 2021 48% good series in the first round of 2021 next series 36% 46% 36% 40% almost every single playoff series besides the first round 2021 and the conference finals,

he has been under 40% from the field or just barely touching it. Like you said, wildly inconsistent, we give him a pass because he's the best guard defender. One of the, like, maybe five to seven best guard defenders in the history of league, probably, top tier truly. But offensively, nobody else gets that kind of pass

for that inefficient shooting. And it's not even that he gets a pass. We just don't talk about it. Don't one cares. And they should at least a little bit. Yeah, exactly. I don't know what it is, but Drew Holiday,

at least in the players association I feel like that has had a lot his respect the immense respect that people have for him are not saying people shouldn't have for it have the respect for him but like there's just so much that people don't look at because the defense like you said is some of the best we've seen and so like he can get away with those inconsistencies but in this podcast I'm just calling it out like he if he performed a little bit better the bucks would have had a hell of a lot easier time getting through the teams that they had to get through over the last few years so yeah 100% for so long he was he was the guy where he's like oh drew holiday so underrated he's so underrated exactly and so now nobody just wants to

make the overcorrection back so like we're not giving him that slander but yeah he definitely deserves it for sure all right let's move on the next division next up we have the atlantic I know this one. I've been waiting for this. Underrated and overrated. Celtics, I have Derek White and Jalen Brown. I almost had a brain far. I had his last name for a second.

What the hell? 76ers. I have De Anthony Melton and Joelle Embed. Raptors, Yacopodal, and Scotty Barnes. Nix, Jalen Brunson, and R.J. Barrett. And Nets, Dennis, Dennis, Jr. and Spencer Dinwiddie. The Nets is so hilarious. No one's talking about them.

I'm not mentioning them at all. I'll mention them. Smith Jr. has quietly become a basically elite guard defender like legitimately. He's 85th percentile in block percentage, 90th percentile and still percentage, and their defense is 10 points per 100 percent percent better

when he's on the court. That's a difference between having 110 offensive rating and 100. That is 99th percentile. That's the second best guard in the NBA. That's very surprising. How much better they make their defensive? In terms of how much better they make the defense when they're playing? That is very surprising. Wow. Yeah, he's legitimately been a

shout out defensive stoppers shout out Dennis yeah good for him good for him we love that um

and scotty barns overrated he has a 49% affected effective focal percentage it's disgusting you can't put the ball in the

I'm not real like scory scory points in the basket type guy but he just can't do that shit there was a

TikTok last year Isaac that we made don't even talk about it Kenny and I asked you a specific question I was like

yo would you trade Victor and Benyama for Scotty Barnes You said no I don't know what Donovan stance was But you were pretty hard as you were hard as hell You know scheming with your chest Be net your chest like a damn gorilla

Why you see what I was talking about Scotty Barnes has no motion like that Although yes Ooh big 69 dude who can pass 6 9 potential point guard Just be he's a connecting piece Not a point guard Just because you can pass a little bit

No one's calling you a point guard People fool themselves The Colin Yannis a point guard Because he's big as hell That's not a point guard Graymond can do the same shit. Yes, he can go ahead and make passes that the average dude his height can't usually make, you know, but that don't make him an astronomical wildly different player. We've seen this dude before plenty of your time in the league, you know, and that was supposed to separate him.

His defense was supposed to separate him from the rest of the group. It hasn't, bro. So I don't understand how someone like Scottie Martin consistently say, oh, yeah, I'm a point guard, a point guard in high school. And also this stuff, when you struggle in the most simplest point guard play in. the entire NBA, which is the pick and roll. Like, it doesn't make any sense. I'm giving him grace a little bit. Point guard thing from.

He doesn't even play point guard. He doesn't even play point guard. He calls himself a point guard. He calls himself as a point guard. It doesn't even play point guard. I know, but his passing overall was supposed to be one of the main strength of his NBA career along with his defense. Okay, that is overblown and overrated as well.

And I've been on the film and this is one of the propaganda that I'm pushing during this podcast, bro. I think his passing might be underrated. He's just not the type of passer that you think, when you, apparently you hear the word point guard and you're just like play like Gary's Garland. But like he's a good passer. He's just, you know, a high post passer in transition from hit cutters.

Like, he's okay. He's solid. He's solid. But he's not like someone who you'd want to consistently run your offense through. He's not a number one option or number two at that as well. You see what I'm saying? So that's what a lot of people thought he was. If you would rather have Victor and Binyama or over or would rather have Scottie

bonds over Victor and Bionnet than you expect to. to be number two three type option or number two one type option but he's just not that you know now i'm giving him slight grace because his team is not constructed around him the best but at this point i'm like why would i i don't know i'm on the fence of if i'd rather if i'd want to build a team around scotty born sure i might put a complimentary player here there but i don't know if i'm leaning all in on scotty yet listen i say he's overrated i think he's a little bit overrated you're making me want to defend him as underrated because you're like listen this guy's a bitch he's Michael Carter Williams, he's terrible.

I'm not. He literally just called him solid. Like, that was your word. Nobody said that. I don't think he's that bad. I'm just kidding. I think he's, I probably still think he's going to be better than you do.

But I agree. He might. Rookie of the year hype. He should never want rookie of the year. And I let that sway me. I like people convince me that he was going to be that good. And I was like, oh, listen,

he could be blossoming into one of these most unique ball handlers, who can do this passing thing, his connective tissue, while being a very, versatile defender and I rose in in glasses because I saw that award in his trophy case he doesn't deserve to be in that caliber

player. Yeah. He's a good streamer though shots in. Real funny guy. Yeah. We'll see Donovan's tears. All right. For underrated for the Celtics I have Jalen Brown. Overrated I have Robert Williams. For the Sixers Anthony Melton is underrated

and as somebody who had him in fantasy basketball last year, shout out to you. You got me some hard weeks. Pete Tucker extremely overrated. Wow. For the Toronto Raptors,

Scotty Barnes, I think is a little bit underrated. Okay. Wow. And for overrated, this is actually supposed to be O.J. and Inobie. I think O.J.

and Inobie is overrated for the Knicks. I think that Josh Hart is underrated. And I think that absolutely nobody is overrated on the New York Nix, for the Nets, I think Doreen Phine Smith is underrated and I think that

I actually think that Camp Thomas is overrated when we talk about the Nets. Wow. This list is all fucked up. Okay, so you have OG should be in the Raptors. Yeah. Nix is nobody. Yeah. And then Nets is Cam Thomas. I'm not slandering anybody on the Nix today.

We bias. We might have time for that. I don't know. OG is definitely, OG is definitely overrated. Yes. People were like, the Raptors we're asking for three first round picks. The packages we're talking about is like calm the fuck down. He's a really good wing, has a little bit of creation chops, emphasis on a little bit,

great defender, can shoot really well. Very viable piece you want on your team for basically any construction. Not going to be a star. Exactly. Calm down. Isaac. There's no way a team like the Memphis Grizzies offer for first round picks, right? For OG under no.

I mean, listen. And you say no. If they have it, they should go ahead and do it. but if you're like a grizzly should yeah like if you're the grizzlies or if you're the thunder or somebody like that if you just have an excess amount of picks and you can just do it then you might as well but if you are a like legitimate just like regular team you have all your picks maybe an extra one here maybe an extra one there yeah you should not be trading three first round picks for oj and and no my thing is like no no no the raptor saying the raptor

shouldn't be turning down exactly that's the biggest thing I don't go to fuck about what the team's value him at, it's about the Turner Raptors seeing an opportunity to swindle the fuck out of a team and get more, extract more value than what this actual player is that way you will reap the benefits.

So that's my only thing with OG. I don't think it has nothing to do with on the court more so it's what this organization thinks of him as. That's it. Yeah, that's very fair. Let's see your list, Mo. That's good. Yeah. So my list, the boss of Celtics underrated and overrated

Chris Osphrazinius Overrated Jalen Brown Whatever I'm not saying 10 toes on it He just needs to prove things A little bit to me more And make me feel better Philadelphia 76ers

DeAndre Melton We are right here Oh De Anthony Sorry De Anthony Melton And we are right here I made a video by him back in 2018 I was in the NBA trenches For Real bro

Overrated Joe Enbeed Tornor Raptors Underrated Seaccom overrated Scotty and OG New York Knicks underrated Emmanuel quickly I love that man's game

Overrated Julius Randall I just need to see you do it in the playoffs I'm not holding you against injuries The playoffs against Atlanta A couple years ago was bad but your team was super ass still I got to see a little bit more And the Brooklyn Nets Cam Johnson's cool I don't really think he's necessarily underrated

He got a fat ass contract And he's on team USA so how can you be underrated overrated. I will say that McCall Bridges is starting to come a little bit overrated in my mind. There's no way in hell where I'm picking someone like Brandon Ingram over or McHall Bridges over something like Brandon Ingram. I need to see you do it a little bit more. For real? And the playoffs. Oh no, that's easy for me. That is for me. Give me bridges. I yeah, you can say that. But if I can take you out of the playoffs by simply taking away one aspect of your game and you're cooked you malfunction you glitch you don't know what to do and

it's just like I have to see a little bit more I have to see a little bit more for you before people crown you as this top tier next level mini Kauai S player you know I know I'm saying that you're gonna do the same Brandon Ingram not Kauai and I can listen and I can do the same thing with Brandon Ingram if I put another good player next to Brandon Ingram

he's not doing anything he's not he's not being a good second star no also wait real quick I'm I'm very curious because you guys got me on you guys got on me for the Luca thing. Even after this postseason and all the hate that the Sixers have gotten, do you guys still think that Joelle and Beat is overrated?

I don't think enough people talked about the fact that his he's like a playoff dropper. He's James Hardin. I think people, some people are hard to realize it, but it's not the narrative. We're not going to go next season and be like, I don't believe in the Sixers because Joelle and Beat is going to fail in the playoffs again.

Like we do with James Hardin. You will say that because you, you know that. the prevailing narrative will not be that he's gonna continue to get benefit of the doubt because his issues are more health related but he cannot survive a full season in the 16 playoff game playoff run and he is legitimately one the biggest

playoff droppers of all time he's with James Harder in that category now you say he's with James Hardin you say he's like James Harder I think he's worse than James Harder because you can't even be on the fucking court bro at least James Harder will show up you know I've seen I've seen he was there this year he was his ass yeah exactly I see exactly but I want to

say show up, I mean, like, are you on the court? Yes or no? Are you playing? Or do you have a stomach food? Yes or no? Just let me know ahead of time, bro. You know? And that on top of on the court performances and all that, like, it's just, yeah, that's my only thing. That's my only thing that would be. He has to prove it to me. He got to me. He got to be a

field, I guess the Celtics this year. Best score in the NBA, scoring title winner, MVP, 42% from the field. And that's higher than it should because he had a couple good games. If you look at some individual games right now, I'll pull it up. He had some fucking stakers.

Don't do that. This is going to get real scary in here. Yes. Y'all's about it. Britch. I knew, listen, we all knew that Embedd is like this playoff choker and he's done it for years. I got the stats.

All right. Run him. Game seven against the Philadelphia 76 years. Close out game. Your playoff legacy got on the line. Not really, but you know for the current narrative. 15 points. 18 field goal attempts.

Five of them went in. 27% field goal percentage, 0 for 4 from 3, 2 turnovers, 4 turnovers, and was that 1 assist? That shit stinks! You stink! Yuck! P.U. Get him out of here. He had three personal fouls to one assist. Yuck.

P.U. Get him out of here. Great googly. Game score of 3.7. His plus minus was negative 28. Oh my goodness. Are these PJ Tucker's time? What are we talking about? That's horrendous.

That's just horrendous. Okay, yeah. Granted, he was doing with a knee spray that he's playing through. I see it. Maybe, listen, you don't have to tell me twice. I will up the slander on Joila for the rest of the offseason. I'll come in, I'll come into the regular season hating at an all-time level on the Sixers. I'm with you guys.

Yeah. Love it. Listen, regular season, I was defending him a little bit early in the season. I was like, I get why there's people that are like, Jokic absolutely should be MVP. I agreed, but I came around to it and I was like, I understand why he deserves it. It's not like crazy to me to give him the vote,

even if I wouldn't have gave it to him. He's still, you know, an incredibly talented score and the creation he can do with the ball in his hands as a big man. He can run the fast break a little bit. He can be the hub of your offense, do enough playmaking for his scoring to be something you can go to. Legitimately one of the more talented offensive picks we've ever seen. Except when it matters in the playoffs.

That shit goes out the window. I just fool me once. Same on me. I'm not going to fall for this shit again. He is fundamentally broken in the playoffs, bro. Dang. That's all it is. And there will be a serious investigation.

He will be, his stats will be swatted. The gameplay will be swatted next year, bro. If he goes ahead and does this again. Jarrell and B, you are a suspect. Exactly. Oh, man. That's funny. I see none of y'all put Jalen Brunson as your next pick.

Do y'all think you got to just do or what? Oh, I think so, for sure. Okay, okay, if we're being real. Oh, God. I had Brunton on my list as overrated. I just didn't want to slander. Are you out of your mind? I had him just a little bit as of ready, but it was just because, like.

You hate so much. You hate the, you're hating on the hometown of your own team. It wasn't, it wasn't even hate. It wasn't even hate. I just, there was, we've gotten to the point with Brunton, And especially now that he's like on team USA, we got to a point where it was like, oh, like he should be starting and like leading the team. It's like, listen, he's really, really good and he had an amazing season.

There's still like levels to this and he still has like another level to get to. So like let's not act like it is. But I think that Brunson right now, if anything is more like perfectly rated, like I say, I say overrated. Isaac says underrated. That's one in one. puts him right at the line so he's probably it's probably good. Do you realize how incredible his playoff performance was?

No, I... The numbers he had? No, I... I'll meet you two stat lines. You don't have to. First one, 28.2 points per game, four rebounds, four assists,

62% true shooting percentage. That is Donovan Mitchell's regular season. 284 and 4 with 62% true shooting. That's all NBA. Second best shooting guard in the league. Jalen Brunson, in the playoffs, and the hot against good team, on the biggest stage

were the game planning for him as a lead ball handler. 28 points, 5.6 assists, 5 rebounds, 5-rebound, 59% true shooting. Better than D. Mitch's regular season stats to earn him all NBA. He's truly a playoff riser in this past series

and legitimately looked like his, look at that 28, 5 and 5, that's as good as any of these star guards that are coming up that were giving props to all the time. He looked better than Deer and Fox, as good as Jamal Murray, better than Trey Young, all these guys.

He was on that level legitimately in a full playoff run. Oh, man, that's so crazy to say. I will never be down there's better than Troy Young thing. Listen, listen. When, go ahead. I'm not, I'm not going to say here and say that Jalen Brunson sucks. So like, listen, you got me.

You got me. I'll say that you go down, talk to the best player in your best team, your favorite team. Yeah, the one thing that's like, I'm so happy that a lot of people have realized is that Jalen Brunson is one of the five best ISO scores as a point guard in the NBA. And I would say, Probably, I don't want to say one of the 10 best sizes scores because just in general, because size and all that, it factors into it. He comes to his position, bro, he plays the best brand of bully ball and he is so unique with how he gets contact and just bounces it off right off of him, bro.

He's so sturdy, stocky and all that stuff, and he's ultra quick. And with that, he has every, almost every move in his bag and manage imaginable when it comes to with. thin the paint and also in the mid-range so it's just like bro the only thing that anyone can really like poke a hole in his game is that okay he's not the best facilitator or or anything like that but in my mind when you're that level of ISO scoring you don't fucking need to be it doesn't matter go get me a bucket he's a good pass to do he's an underrated passer I think um what was I going to say I just read a text on my lost my train I thought yeah Matt he's great we we move on the next division Donovan you just fucked my train

thought. My bad. We're actually done. We've gone through all the divisions. This was the last division. This was so fun, man. No.

This was so fun. Yeah, this was great conversations, man. And now, so we got through that, we're supposed to react to the top 20 list you told people to drop in the Discord. It's already a long episode.

I think we should do that next week because we're going to have a shorter episode next week. So that gives us an even better opportunity now to say, everybody listening right now, join our Discord, go to the question of the day thread, and go to the part that says

leave your all time top 20 to listen there you'll see the thread, double click it and leave your top 20 list in there. We're going to react to them next week. I want to give more of y'all a chance to go ahead and get your list in there. If they're really bad, we're going to roast you. If they're good, we're giving you your pops. If we're reacting, we're more than likely going to roast you, so be

prepared for that. Yeah, man. We'll do that next week. Sorry, guys. Guys, I think it is time for TikTok time. Let's get into it. Crayon eaters rejoice! I love that. That sounds like a running thing where If there's ever an episode where you don't call them crayon eaters, I'll be concerned. I'll just know the light isn't in your eyes today.

Something's going on at home. We need to check on you. It's probably because you're in the hood. We've got to figure it out. Yes. Yo, is the right gone? Is the right gone? I ain't go why.

No. I called an exterminator yesterday or last week. Nikiel, you sent me to a fraud. This man did nothing but put a poisonous fried chicken all across my house. And all these bastards are running around mindless. I could have done that myself That's racist That's crazy

I meant Yeah I got scammed Let's just say that Yeah I did not deserve that But if I said it I said it I'm trying to catch me

He was trying to catch me So, the first TikTok we got today. As always, we're going to start with the draft. Today we're going to draft only players that currently play in the Western Conference. So the draft order is me first, Donovan second, Mo third. Okay, let's do it. I'm proud of that word. All right.

Let's drive NBA lineups with only players who play in the Western Conference. First pick, give me the best player in the world, Nicole Yokic. Damn. Okay. Okay. That's good. That's good. I will take, I guess, yeah, I'm going to take the second best player.

I'm going to take the second best player in the conference. Give me Steph Curry. Okay. It's very easy to pick. Very easy. Only natural. Only natural. Okay.

So Yokic is off the board and Steph is off the board. That just leaves me with Luca Donchitz. And on top of Luca, let me go ahead and... You compare him with a lot of interesting guys, so let's see what you take this. I know. I have so many interesting options. But one thing that I notice is like, yo, the... I'm not going to do that.

I almost fumbled. Give me AD. You got the best, you got maybe the best pick and roll ball handling in the league. Maybe the best pick and roll finisher. It's a good start. Let's see if you fumble it. All right. Listen, we're just going to build...

You know how I like to do. I like to build teams that will already go. great. Give me Kevin Durant. Okay. Okay. I know this works. I know this is a successful combination. You know what? Give me his teammate that's better than him. Devin Booker. Ooh, it's a hot take. Okay. I like it. I like it. That spicy. That's spicy. Damn, Devin Booker's gone. That's sick. You got Robin. Give me Batman. Oh, it's my turn still. Yeah. Yeah.

This is why I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. in the TikTok just to get who I'm at me for picking Booker. I wasn't even going to pick booker. I did that shit for the moment. I don't even know where I'm at now. After that, give me, give me Kauai Leonard. Damn. Okay. Listen, we're in the third round of this, and this is insane value. Give me LeBron James. Oh, shit. I forgot about Brumont.

Fumble! What are we doing here? Fumble! I'm over picking Devin Booker as a joke and I forgot about LeBron. Oh, my God. Okay. Okay, cool.

Damn, my headphones sound weird for some reason. Anyways, go ahead. I got Anthony Davis and Luca Donchich. Go ahead and give me Damien Lillard. My offense is O.P. as fuck. Defense, non-existent.

Hey. He got AD. He got ID. He can do something. Relax. AD at the five, give me Jaron Jackson, Jr. at the floor. Now, let's move on. Ah, shit, never mind.

Okay. You stole my pick. Let's go. Okay. I take it back. I spoke too soon. Hmm. Let me think.

Let me think. Damn. I know that was, that was going to be my next pick. I'm really struggling right now. Actually, I'm not struggling. All right. As you took Kauai, I'm going to take his running mate. Give me Paul George.

Okay. Okay. Fine. Okay, fuck Who do I want to go with here Losing Jaron and AD for the four really sucks I got a stretch five Give me Zion Williamson to pair with him for the inside threat

And then I'm a point guard Um Ooh I can go a couple ways with this De' Aaron Fox is right there Yeah, I'm gonna take the better Deerrinx, give me John Morant Okay, okay, okay That's nice

that's nice spacing is but I digress I think I'm about to make history in this pod make history I'm going to do something you're not going to do it

you're not going to do it and you guys exactly you guys know exactly where I'm going to go no give me Rudy Gaubert at my fire oh my god I need a legitimate center

and he was the only one that I felt comfortable with his defense his defense is going to be valuable for me I had to do it listen top tier character development I had to do it

I'm tired of fumbling drafts I'm sick of it I'm not doing it this time I'm picky I choose me I choose me listen fair enough counterpoint any team that has Rudy Gobert defending Yokic is guaranteed to lose

so you might have folded any team any team to ask the guard joke is just pretty much guaranteed to lose these days bro. He's cooked regardless. Damn, okay. Guess to finish this up, give

me Anthony Edwards at my three. So, I'm happy. I'm happy. I did what I was supposed to do. Yeah, you're four and your five. We're going to be defending their asses off, keep it up for everybody else, but it's a good team. Sure. So I got Luke at my one, or Dame at my one,

Luke at my 2 and at my 3 Triple J at my 4 and Anthony Davis at my 5 I got Helen link on my team A D combination is nice Your front court's disgusting My front and my back court disgusting

You can't guard me bro And then I got Anthony Edwards on the sideline Team is unbeatable My team sucks I got caught up picking Booker For a bit And then my team sucks John Morant

Devin Booker Kauai Leonard Zion Williamson Yokitch You hear that whole lot of ass You got Yokish though You got Yokish though Yeah

My team is great Like this fantastic players It's just weird Can't fuck with me though I've Steph Curry Paul George Oh your team is worse

By the way Kevin Durant Lebron You're hype And Rudy Gaubert Thank you What? Yeah you got hype

for no reason Now my team is not ass Yoak's better than AD Zion's better than JJJ Kauai's better than A Zion don't play Booker's better than game Booker's

Okay Booker saying Booker is better than Dame, that's a, that's a serious conversation that we have to have. Yeah, anyways, I was just talking. I'll probably pick Dame. I'll just rattle them off, see if you notice. All right, man. We love it.

Next one we got, we're going to do a, we're going to something topical because, you know, the NFL's coming back this week. We're going to tie that into the NBA in our own way. And we're going to talk about which NBA players would be better as football players. Oh, I'm ready. I'm ready. Who you got? They'd be saying certain stars Just do half-back dive every play

So we're gonna put that to the test Let's do it So which NBA players Would be better in the NFL Let me say it again Which NBA player Would be better in the NFL Steph Curry

Or LeBron James See I want to say Steph Because his like hand-eye coordination Is crazy You could kind of just put him anywhere But Lebron James is like Actually a football player He's a freak.

That's what I'm saying. He's actually a football player. He would just be a more athletic Rob Grinkowski. I'm taking LeBron in every single sport. LeBron could be playing cricket and I would take him. It's him. I don't know. I feel like Steph could throw a football through a hoop from like 100 yards away, though.

I feel like he would just be deadly accurate. When I imagine Steph Curry as a football player, I just see Patrick Mahones, bro. Just that light skin effect. The resemblance is uncanny. But I'm still taking LeBron, though. He's a freak. Yeah, well, you put LeBron on the edge, put his hand in the dirt, he might be Killow Mac, I don't know. Put him anywhere, he's straight.

Next up, Zion Williamson versus John Moran's. Zion, I think it might be Zion. Zion might be Aaron Donald, but John Morant might be a nasty corner. I was literally going to say the exact thing, bro. His corner, his corner game would be insane. You throw a jump ball or jump around He's swatting it every time Oh yeah

Listen he's just sauce gardener with dreads Like that's it Sauce Gardner with dreads But do I want to take job Nah Zion's just too big Zion I know I know Zion growing up He grew up in South Carolina

He walked around everywhere And they're like You play ball don't you You play ball don't you You have football football Every anytime he walked on the hall In the eighth grade Every football coach was like

You're a son Let me talk I've seen that story a thousand times That man is Ray Lewis Next up Lamello ball versus Anthony Edwards Oh Anthony Edwards

Lemello was like carefully crafted by LeVar to be a basketball player He doesn't have the football stuff in it I trust Anthony Edwards to be successful or anything he does No, for sure. They made lamella ball in a lab

with all the perfect traits for a basketball player. He put him on a football court. He's in a malfunctioning. He's lost. Slow as shit. No expulsion. No hops.

He could pass. But who is he in the NFL? Who's a weak-ass quarterback in the NFL? Who's this comparison in your head? If you put a lamell on a court, he'd probably look like a kicker trying to play tight end. Oh, that's so bad.

Brandon Whedon. He'd be Brock Osweiler. Just tall and bad. Oh, Brock Osweiler. Yeah. Just throwing out deep cuts. No, I feel like Anthony Edwards can be a mean, strong safety. He might be Jamal Adams, low-key.

Yeah, he's like that. That shit. He got that shit. All right, next up, Trey Young versus Chet Holmgren. Both ass, dude. Listen, the only, unless they are playing punter or kicker, they would both suck.

No, I think, I think Tray could get away of playing QB. What? He is, he's a, he's quick as hell. He is light. He's too small. If he takes a Vaughn Miller sack, just a routine sack, he's going to snap in half. Clavicle is broken. So what is that?

What is Chet doing? What is his seven-foot ass doing? Playing center. Snapping the bitch? Playing center is just snapping out. Shuffling his feet. Protecting the blind side. That's good technique.

That technique is too good, Isaac. Hold on. Oh, you did play football. I forget. Isaac got 100% play football. Yeah, he did. That's muscle memory for him. Oh, man, you still got that in him.

Your coach, proud of you right now. Give me Chad Holmgren. No, that's gross. Oh, Chad Hungry and go bull rushed by Aaron Donald one time and fucking find God. Cracked ribs in half, bro. he's going to be converted to a different religion he's not walking a day in his life again

all right Dylan Brooks versus Kevin Durant it's Dylan Brooks easy this is a perfect sport for him bro this is what he needs to be playing he's not good at basketball he needs to be playing football go try something else

He needs to put in that dirt rush that edge exactly you want to go be aggressive go be fake tough there's a lot of them in the NFL you would fit right in Bro, I just imagine You and Nick Bosa

would get along just fine I just imagine he'll get into the most egregious fight slapping the shit of helmets and shit Yo Nick Bosa would not like Dylan Brooks I would tell you that right now

What do you mean by that? He's like him when he straightens his hair He's like him He'll tell Dylan Brooks Like every time you watch him Do anything athletic

You can just tell he's dying To put a shoulder in someone's chest Oh yeah. He's out of here. Yeah. Yeah. Perfect football player.

He's like six, six, six seven. Six, six seven, one of those. He'd be a good tight end. I can see you. Tight end. He's on defense. I mean, he would sell tall so many times. He's not, he's not a star.

He's not a fast catcher. I don't know. He might be George, get a lookie. No, he don't got that kind of finesse. George kidding. You'd pancake him. All right, next up. up in this picture that i never noticed that chain that db chain he's kind of cooking

kind of cool yeah that is cool right next up we have jimmy butler versus draymond green this is hard as hell this is my draymond i'm taking jimmy butler i've seen the tape i've seen draymond's highlight tape from michigan state when he tried out he didn't know what he was doing what have you seen it have you seen his violence tape yes he has the i the tiger he will fuck somebody up on a football field put put shoulder and pads on can somebody please bring up the tape some I've seen the evidence we have we have it you are sleep it's not him he was a kid back then bro put this version of draymond in the NFL he might be yeah yeah he might be all pro he might be all pro he might be all pro he

no I'm joking Jimmy Butler would be a heat seeking free safety he would be Troy Paul and Malu. This picture of Dreyman. Troy Palu Malu. Look at Dreymar. Look at this. He don't look right.

He don't look like to be longer. This is exactly what Isaac was talking about earlier. This is the kid who walked, who walked in the hallway in eighth grade and the co-said, come here, son. Let me tell you something. No, he does not belong here. No, he doesn't have the football player build.

That's what it says it needed to be in the NFL field. That is true. he ain't got an ounce of quickness. You get Jimmy Butler six weeks he's going to come out looking like Patrick Willis I guarantee it dude he's he's black

Luke Heakley dude are you kidding me that's what I imagine man's god he has the great determination he'll put on 25 pounds and be out there playing middle reed zone

he'll be killing it let him man the middle of the field in the cover three he's super good this guy I just been playing madden look at all this terminology the fuck is a cover three

he's in it he's in it That's hilarious Jimmy Butler Imagine Draymond Green in football is so funny Just imagine Draymond Green Going head to head with Derek Henry

Oh my dad He would die He would get his chest caved in Internal bleeding All right that's funny Next thing we're going to do Next video We're going to do a tier list

And we're going to do it off of Something we promised you guys This last week When we did our video where we were talking about which NBA moment is funnier. A lot of those moments were about LeBron James. So we decided today we're going to do a tier list of the funniest LeBron moments of his career.

This is the most comical superstar of all time. He's not a real person. There has been an NBA player. Facts, there hasn't been an NBA player who has accumulated so many memes throughout his entire career. This is only a portion of it. Let's put the funniest moments of LeBron's career into a tier list.

Okay. So first. up it's the classic LeBron lion meme and this one right here he was talking about how we envision Kobe scoring 81 points before the game

he saw him he said that's a Raven Vision listen this one has made for not being around for a long time this one made to skyrocketed up

I honestly have to put this at like at least a this is hilarious Yeah, this can go A tier This meme came out It was a late bloomer Like 10 years after it happened Everyone found it and realized

This motherfucker'd be lying A lot And like now it's a whole new part Of his personality That we're never gonna look past It's gotta be A tier Facts It's funny

It's just an extension Because you know You know where this started It started because everyone was like Oh look at the books That LeBron's read Before games And he's always on the first page

It didn't matter If it was game one Or game seven of the same series He was still on page one He was not reading them books That man has read the foreword Of the autobiography of Malcolm X A thousand times

Facts, dude Never hit chapter one Facts dude Straight up liar man all the time I think shortly after this moment A couple of years Maybe a couple years after this moment He went ahead, went to a Steph Curry game

And he said Obviously a couple years after Steph became an all-star That yo I seen it since the day one I went to go watch him playing in person I knew he was the one. He just straight up lies all the time. It's great. A tier.

Hey, for sure. All right. Next up, we got the infamous 2018 NBA finals meme, bro, where J.R. Smith just lost track of time when LeBron was like these. Didn't know what to do with his hands. I've never seen an easier S-tier. Put it on the board. Not even worth the debate. One of the greatest NBA memes of all time.

By far the funniest meme of LeBron's career. This will stay on the test of time and be a generational meme easily. Look at the disgust on his face. It's so many feelings in his face. Oh my goodness. It's not only disgust, it's confusion. It's fear.

He's furious as hell. He wants to put hands on J.R. Smith and also he's sad too. LeBron just put a 50 points. LeBron just put a 50 points against the greatest team ever assembled. To no avail. And J.R. Smith messed up the way he did.

He wanted to leave the clemen. leaving Cavaliers that night. Yeah. Now, LeBron is the most media trained man alive, pure professionalism holds his emotions back on certain times. Not tonight. This time, this is the most raw we've

ever seen LeBron James. We've never seen anybody be more real for a split second in the history of the mankind. God, man. This was crazy. S-tier. Easily, bro. This is a generational meme, too, which plays part in this tierless.

Yeah, it's very, very versatile. enough to use it for a lot of good jokes. Ooh. Next up, we got Lance Stevenson blowing into LeBron's ear. Oh, man. I feel these are all S-tier.

These are incredible moments. I got to put this at a B. I love this moment. It's hilarious. But it's something happening to LeBron, not LeBron doing something. So in the grand scheme of things, I'll drop it.

I feel like it's got to be A. This is the funniest moments of his career. This is hysterical. This is the ridiculous. Anything involving on Stevenson automatically gets a tear jump because he's the funniest man of all time. Like, how could this be anything lower than A? Not just crazy.

He blew in a grown man's ear during a playoff day. In a playoff game at that too. Like he's trying everything in his heart to get this man off of his game and the best thing he could come up with is blowing in his ear. That's mad uncomfortable, dude. Are you kidding me? It might have to be an S. We can't put S in everything though.

A? I don't know. Meet him in a middle. A? We'll go ahead. Okay, cool. Post game of the 2018 NBA finals, LeBron's walk off. Oh, wait, I don't even remember this one.

Why did he walk off again? Because someone asked him a stupid-ass question about J.R. Smith fumbling the game. This is after his 50-point performance. He pulled up in a suit. Remember when they all wore all gray suits? He had drunk cars all up and there were serious business. Dude had a little case in him. He probably has toothbrush and the deuterre in it.

He doing all that for. what reason I don't know, but he just walked off and it looked just like, O.D. serious. I think the fact that they all wore suits makes this moment funny because he was so mad at the Cavs, they never wore those suits again. He never gave anybody another suit. He was like, I'm done. We're not friends anymore. Yeah, he was trying to build a carwara. He pulled that out of his rotation of team building tactics. He's like, that one is bad juju. Never again. Exactly. Yeah. I got a good. I'll get that a good. I'll get that a good. see. It's a decent moment. Yeah. I think this definitely is a C tier. It's more of an extension

of the, um, of the John Smith meme. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. All right. We got LeBron James IG story this past season of him doodling Bart, Bart Simpson. Ooh, this is a good one. Oh, man. Bart got a big ass head though. My bad Bart. He said just doing around, miss doing this all the time. Used to be my escape. Yeah, no, this is so odd. No, bullets be real, it's not that bad. No, it's not bad. It's just, why, you know?

For somebody who doesn't draw like that, it's not that bad. Do you want to do this? Like, Frankenstein. Are you kidding? It's just funny because it's LeBron. It's like, why are you doing this? Like, you want us to compliment you on your drawing skills and be like, oh, you're so talented. Like, bro, relax.

Like, it was so jarring. Yeah, it's like, oh, okay. You don't expect to see this from one of the greatest players of all time story. It's like, shit, okay. That's hilarious. Wait, talk about, is Bart wearing off white shorts? Oh my god,

he's wearing off white socks too. He made Bart Simpson a hype beast. Like, come on, LeBron. Come on. I didn't even notice that. Wow. This is like those pictures people used to have on their phone screen savers in like 2007 of SpongeBobbing like the mafia gear.

Oh, shit. Spon Bobby Supreme. Yeah. Oh, my. What is that chain? Bart Simpson is wearing a LeBron champ. Okay Oh, this is just off the rails

This is just a ridiculous drawing It looks like a doll car It's like that picture of Fred Flintstone Or says, I know what I got a yabba dabba do I would give this a good B This is hilarious I want to see C almost We can do B

This is funny as shit This is ridiculous I go B Listen with the LeBron chain Am I at the B A? Nonsense All right

What's nice? We got LeBron's classic singing to songs that he doesn't know the lyrics of. Yeah, but I do old name. And there's multiple times. There's like five songs since he did this to, bro. The old Navy has to be eight here. This is incredible. This is incredible.

What was the original song on this? Does anybody know? It was some Roddy. What was he trying to sing? I forget. Because I think knowing the actual song would make it fun here. No, this is before Roddway started popping. What was it?

It's not the first. day out one what was he saying oh yeah it was the the six lakh song yeah oh shit you're right you're saying along the six like on i g that's like the sunglasses on sipping on wine god but no this is great he just be making shit up because he's lebron and he doesn't have the obligation of knowing the words because people are going to fuck with it regardless so he can say whatever he wants this man is washed so is a or b this is a for sure it's a old navy Yeah, but he's drunk off that wine, honestly. Facts, just talking.

Yeah. You just making noises. Yeah. All right. This is classic. This is the infamous 2017 NBA finals loss after the Golden State Wars. He lost his mind. Went ahead and started.

He was who was bopping who? Tori Lanes. No, it was T. Grizzly. No, you're right. It was T. Grizzly. You're right. It was T. Grizzly. T. Grizzly.

Personally, I think this is. tier. I think this is hilarious. I think this was one of LeBron's like funniest moments of all time on top of just losing the finals coming out with the bald head. Yeah, the bald is what makes it funny. Yeah. I'm gonna come up bald. I'm making the goat transformation. Everybody He's been telling me to do it. First day out is popping. This is equivalent to a white girl crisis of them just changing their hair color, bro. Like, just completely cut in the hair after get your ass up to the finals.

He had to do all that now. No, I'm going to give this an A because he thinks he's so much cooler than he actually looks that it's pure hysterical. It's got to be right. He for sure was in the mirror after he went bald. He's like, I'm not playing fair this year. He's like, I'm moving different this time. That was the most aggressive lyrics

I've ever heard anybody fucking say too That's the only part he enunciated It was hit the roll he stole with the world of y'all And then he started mumbling Yeah Get away, Jack, go, the fucking go He used all the strength of his ones to say them lyrics Yeah, A too for sure

All right, let's put this A for sure I agree, I agree Alright, next video we're going to do We're going to bring it back Do another draft But this time we're going to do a player draft You know we did this before plenty of times now Where instead of drafting players

You'd have traits to build a player Which include body defense Shooting, passing and finishing This time We're going to build a voice crack You hear that? Yeah I was like burping

This time we're going to build The perfect center with only retired players We did that with a point guard last time So you're fun This time we're doing centers? Big men. Cool. Big man. Power for it or center. Yeah, we'll say big man. Love it. Let's build the perfect NBA big man with only retired players.

I got what I said. I got first pick, Donovan second, Mo third. Damn. Okay. Okay. So only retired players. First pick. Give me Shaq's body. Okay. Give me the frame, the big diesel. Cheek code. That's fine. That's fine. All right. For body, I see no, not even for body. Give me Hakeem Elijahon's defense. Okay. I don't feel like you do that. You know how to go by drinking. Cool.

So for shooting, give me Dirk. I should have thought of that. Yeah. And then for defense, give me Kevin Garnett. It's a great pick. That's disgusting. That's disgusting. That's disgusting.

All right. For passing, I have to get the man, the myth, the legend. Arvita Sabonis. I wanted to go in too. I wanted to go him too. I like it. Okay. I feel like I got to get passing now

before all the good ones go Give me a mark just all passing Okay Damn Solid Okay Damn That was my pick

But whatever I'll let that slide And then Hmm This mark can go a lot of ways Defense finishing passing Are we counting post moves Is finishing

I think so Probably yeah Oh Well I wish I would have known that before I would take Okay It doesn't fucking matter I mean, what, like, where else a postman's go?

Am I allowed to, to, to, my, no, you're not. I was not aware of this prior. Where else we supposed to go? I was supposed to go. So, it's okay. I see how it is. I see how we're moving. I see how we're moving.

It's okay. Keep going, keep going. Give me the best finisher big man of all time, the sky hook, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. Now, this is whack. I've been robbed. I have been robbed. Pain. I don't like this.

Oh, yeah, I went twice. Your turn. I'm hurt. I'm hurting. I'm not going to lie. All right. Let's see. Defense, defense. Actually, let's see. So I have Hakeem's defense already. Give me, give me David Robinson's body. Very athletic guy. Yeah, that's a good pick. One of the fastest big men out there. Okay. Donovan not going to like this, but give me Wilt's body. That's a great pick. And then, so I need finishing and I also need passing. now. So for

passing, go ahead, damn, bro. Go ahead and give me Palgasol passing. Okay. I feel like I've done that before. Yeah, you definitely picked Palisal passing several times. I've done that before. Yeah.

All right. For finishing, I'm going to just get somebody that's just stupid athletic. Give me Dwight Howard's finishing. That's a good fact. No touch. Most dunks in NBA history. Yeah, no touch at all. Yeah, no touch. It is okay. I put one tall guy in front of you.

You're going to be backboard. It's okay. I'm making the greatest room owner of all time. You know, that's fine. Give me the perfect defender to shut that shit down. Give me Tim Duncan. I can't believe Tim fell this far, bro. I can't believe he fell this far.

I'll take it. Wow. And then, hmm, shooting where don't want to go. There's a lot of guys who could shoot middies really well back in the day but weren't really. You know what? give me for shooting give me one of the

oh I don't phrase this give me one of the best stretch bigs that could do nothing else besides stretch give me channing fry weak nothing else besides stretch is crazy

all I need that part of my player to do is strap it from three and we're good wow okay that's the sentence right there That's a sentence right there. Okay. Whoa.

Exactly. Who you got? You know what? I'm going to just double down. Look, I'm not going to have a three-point shot, but give me the most unstoppable turnaround midi. Give me Lamarcus,

all you just shoot it. That is fantastic. I love that shit. That's a weapon. I miss Lamkus, man. Damn. All right. So to finish this off,

all I have is finishing left. Yep. Give me Patrick Ewing finishing Okay It's not bad It's not bad It's nice It's not bad

Not bad at all Not a bad choice It means Yeah so for shooting I got Dirk For defense I got KG For body

I got Wilt Passing I got Pau And finishing I got Patrick Ewing If there had been somebody A little more impressive

In that finishing You might have got it Yeah Still a solid big man though I think guys I got it though Body got Shaq body got shack the best one

defensive got tim duncan the best one finishing got kareem the best one passing on marcosol and shooting at chanin fry shooting chaining fry's name like it just feels like so jarring take out all the attributes like what does he do on this list why is he in this list

he's there he's right he got range he got it he got it I have david robinson's body hekeem alajuan's defense le marcus is just shooting are Vita Sabonis Passing and Dwight Howard finishing

Listen I don't have a jump hook And I don't have a three But everything else I'm really nice Right listen I'm good what I'm good at Okay I know what my skills are at It's not bad

Get you a smart coach And I know so deploy you wisely We're good Yeah You know what this is? Who is this? This is just 2020 AD I was waiting for it

I was waiting for it I was waiting for I'm like I feel like I know that player, but I can't put my finger on it. It is AD. I know that player. That's funny. All right.

One more video we got. We're going to do something we did a while ago. We're going to say, did this NBA player live up to their draft comparison? So I don't deep into the internet streets. Me too, they're hilarious. Most of these are from the ringer from their draft guides over the years. So, yeah, I won't even say anything else. We'll just jump into it.

Y'all know what's up. Did this NBA player live up to their pre-draft comparison? Harrison. First off, Christopps Porzingis being bouncy dirt. I mean, obviously not. Obviously not. This man was shipped out of New York within, what, four or five years? No. No, he was not like that. He was not the cornerstone of a franchise that we thought he was going to be. The unicorn was supposed to save the garden. Sounds like there's a little bit of heart hate in your heart. Oh, of course. I sure is. Of course.

I have to tell you, Isaac was there the day he was trading. I'm going to include this. I have a video on my phone of Donovan in his dorm room bed. He was in his dorm room bed just distraught that they traded Christopheuse. I'm going to put that in the video right now. He was, no. Listen, I had just, we had just skipped class, went to Keynes, and I told Isaac on the walk over there

that if the Knicks trade Christop's Porzingis, I'm burning down Madison Square Garden. all for Dennis Smith all for Dennis Smith Jr. Damn, you were down bad that day. That year. Listen, I'm not convinced he's recovered yeah, honestly. Yeah.

It's kind of fair. Some wounds never hill. Yeah. Next up, Donovan Mitchell to Norm Powell mixed with Gary Harris. Norm Powell and Gary Harris. is insane.

That is disgusting. Who is that? What was the vision? Exactly. Terrence, man. I don't even know. What was he cooking? The fuck?

Norman Powell. Brother's been Donovan Mitchell was barely a lottery pick. He's so far exceeded all expectations. That's crazy. Yeah, facts, dude. It was in his rookie season and came to a point to where people were comparing him to D. Wade and Russell Westbrook, bro.

Crazy. He was like that. He was like that. Nobody thought he was one of the most dynamic finishers, off the dribble shooters. you know, on-ball creators. That's what he is now. Norm Powell with Gary Harris.

What a departure. Yeah, exactly. He was a lottery pick at the back end of it. So, I mean, not that bad of a comparison, but is Norm Powell and Gary Harris combination even like a high-level starter? Norm Powell used to be, or Gary Harris used to be so good. So let's not forget that. Listen, yeah, prime Norm Powell and prime Gary Harris. Like if you take them at their peaks and if you take, and if you take Gary Harris, and if you take Gary Harris,

for those 55 games where he was lighting it up locking people down too you have something no we're doing player rankings I was like is Gary Harris the 40th best player in the league in 2017 I was all hype on him oh my goodness bro top 50s to Gary Harris yeah that's hilarious all right next one Darius Garland to Damien Lillard uh man it's kind of unfair it's it's unfair to compare somebody to Damien Little bit because he's that good. So I guess he technically failed because he's not as good as Dame, but Darry's Garland is still really freaking good. So like we'll give him a pass for not living up to that comparison. Yeah, it's comparisons. It's all supposed to be unfair. I would compare to just how it is in general. Sure, he's in the same vein. I guess as you can

say his Dame. He has a long-rate shooting. He's a better facilitator from what I see. He's an engine offensively so I think he passes he's not dame he's an all-star level guard who's a dynamic off the dribble shooter and creator for others I think he's been what you want him to be coming to the draft yeah facts maximizes potential we can say that confidently yeah honestly he's being really underrated since de match got all the shine last year yeah there is Garland's one of those promising young guards in the league facts okay okay I can live with that and next one too much positivity Marvin Bagley to Amari Stademeyer and Michael Beasley. Hey man, I'm putting

this Michael. Amari Stadamire that man failed. That is a crazy combination to imagine. Amari Stadamar I mean, he's built like Michael Beasley, he's wiry. He's just a lefty. He's just a lefty.

He's lefty with the slightest bit of handle. That's all it is, dude. He's like 6, 9, 610 and he's a lefty. So you're just going to be called Michael Beasley. Ah, man, that was so gross. He can't shoot like Michael Beasley, can't get to the brim like Michael Beasley, he can't jump like a Marri Stademeyer, can't block shots like a Marri Stademeyer. He's not as cool.

He's not as cool as Michael Beasley. He's not like. So what does he do? He rides the bitch. That's what he does. No, he failed. Injuries heard of him. He was drafted a two-ass team.

He wasn't supposed to be drafted that high, but folks are overrated the hell out of him. It's not his fault. Yeah, he was doomed by being. pick number two over Luca. He was never going to have successful career for that. Folks are calling him the next AD. It was disgusting. Next AD and the Chris Bosch. It was gross out there. No, college Marvin Bagley was a phenom.

That man was a legend. High school Marvin Bagley? You could, bro. You heard wilt type stories, bro. He was different back then. Most of the things he's that. Moe ranked Marvin Bagley in his top 30. Oh, no, no. Go back to 2018. My

videos are still up on the board. I did not want that man on my team. Okay. Yeah. You still think he's nice, though? I mean, did you see my Power Forward Ranking video? You tell me. I can't believe you put him your top 30.

That was so nasty. That's the single worst placement on any of our lives. No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no. Chet Holgroom has to be worse than that, bro. I refuse. He didn't even play a game. He just put some drip on and that's it.

You said what? It might be Isaiah Thomas at 12 all time. Oh, yeah, two-time champion is terrible. Let's keep moving. Oh, I'm dead. Overwilt. also two-time champion next one we got

stats merchant next one is Trey young to Mike Bibi and Trey Burke Mike Bibi I mean I don't I don't think that he can

like facilitate a team the way that Mike Bibi can and he really doesn't get as high as Trey Burt can so I don't think that he's I don't think that he's lived up to this if we're being real Have you seen Mike Bibi lately

he's so much more swore than Trey Young it just puts him on a whole other level Trey Young will never have that type of muscle have y'all seen bro Trey burke back when he was in new york what was the year 2017 you remember that you remember them days look like AI bro

exactly he's like that expectations yeah Trey young can't compare honestly let him will never look like Alan Iverson he can't he will never have the ability he will never have exactly he will never have the ability to get cornwalls he'll never play in 2011 heat it's just not

going to happen for him. He failed. Exactly. So, I mean, if we're going by that standard, Trey Burke is closer to Allen Iverson than Trey Young. I will stone you guys the next time you see me. He's going to pillager homes. Now, shout out Trey. He's doing good. Crazy. Okay. Next one. Devin Booker to Clay Thompson. Surpassed. I think a lot. I remember back in 2016, 2017, people try to imagine what Claytonso would look like if he had his own team. It's literally Devin Booker.

But Clay doesn't have that back to him. Absolutely. Yeah. So obviously Devin Booker lived up to this. He's better than Clay right now after Clay's injuries. Is Booker right now better than Prime Clay? Yes. It's hard to say.

Booker's pushing top 10 player in the league status. Yeah. The defense has improved. Yeah, the defense. Hell no. Top 10? No. Top 20, 15.

guaranteed but 10 who the hell God no no he was never top 10th Prime Clay is like incredibly valuable to any winning team but Booker's so much but Booker's capable of carrying so much more of a load I don't know he's way

more dynamic and of course the defense is valuable for Clay he's Iron Man literally but you have supreme supreme scoring on all three levels you got he's an underrated facilitator in my opinion and then on top of that his defense has improved drastically over the years, give me

Devin Booker. He has no issue. I mean, but if you gave Clay, if you gave Prime Clay his own team, he's probably, he's probably looking somewhere close to like Reggie Miller. Yeah. And I think, you know, like, and Devin Booker now is probably better than Reggie Miller. What do you think? Yes. It's,

it's comparable as an argument. Have we ever seen Clay Thompson and Phoney MVP conversations before? But like, but think about that. Reggie Miller with defense. And that's what, and that's what Clay Thompson would have been. So I'll say yes.

Like, listen, Devin Booker is like all MBA. He's, he's made more, all MBAs. He's like surpassed this expectation. But in terms of prime for prime, who's more valuable? That's definitely a conversation we can have. For sure. That's a hard one. Convo for another day.

But yeah, Devin Booker definitely lived up to it. Next one. James Wiseman to being high energy, Hassan, Whiteside. Hassan Whiteside. And what's crazy about that is that he failed because he has low energy. He has no energy. He's low energy, Hassan Whiteside. And I don't think that there's anybody who could have had lower energy than Hassan White Side.

But he managed to do it. He defied all odds. Generation. Low energy, Hassan Whiteside. What do you even do at that point? He's a powder. He's a generational powder. Why?

Oh, man. If only they would have picked Lamello. Pain. Pain for our Warriors fans. Oh, God. I just, when I think of it was on White's out, I was just thinking about the meme where you're just running your round the heat locker. So it's like, man, James We can even provide us with memes, bro. Like, what do you do?

You just provided all fans of disappointment. And what ifs? Damn. You know Pistons fans, I already hate the guy that already turned on him? They're like, stop giving him. Lendurans minutes. Yeah. As he's cooked.

He's cooked as hell. All right. Last one. Tyler Hero to Devin Booker and C.J. Miles. Used to be a bucket. Oh my God.

He used to be different, bro. I fell in love with his game. Real hoops right there. I hope with his silver card in my team a lot. He was a shooter. He was deadly.

Man, I used to get him for the vet minimum back when I used to play my league in 2K-14. Steel. Listen, Tyler Hero is somewhere between C.J. Miles and Devin Booker. He's in that wide range. That's a wide range, but I think this is the perfect comparison. I couldn't hear anything better than this. Yeah, you get all of Devin Booker skills and then just make them worse. And then you got Toller Hero.

Exactly. There you go. Fair enough. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I love that. I love that. I don't know. The closest thing that Tyler Hero has to Devin Booker is a little bit. I don't know. The closest thing that Tyler Hero has to Devin Booker is his skin color and even then it's his skin color still not close to him Tyler Hero looks in the mirror and definitely sees Devin Booker though

100% For sure bro It was written He does he probably thinks it's darker The Devin Booker He's like listen you get me in the right tan I don't know He sees his tongue on game day

He just puts his wrist up to you He's like I live in Miami I've seen Tyler Hill We're a du ragboard that's seen Devin Booker wear one It's disgusting We've seen Tyler here

With braids too right Cornrows Yes We need to get out We need to get him out of Miami He's doing too much That man thinks he's yes drools He's the NBA

He's the NBA Rachel Dolazol That's hilarious This is crazy There's a picture for it What the fuck? Yeah Yeah there is

This is insane This is so accurate Somebody else has made this joke I didn't know this was the thing I thought we were the first one No it was dead ass a thing I remember this I thought I was cooking

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Yeah don't say that Like it's a 69 video Can we get 3,000 likes on this podcast, bro? Please. Please. Please. Pretty, please. At least, he's begging you because he wants to get out the hood.

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