The Deep 3 Podcast - Every NBA Team's Most Underrated Player | Ep. 115

Episode Date: November 15, 2024

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Yeah, man, let's start. Let's give the people what they want. What do they want? A three-hour yapsesh. That's what they want. They want us to talk about when beginning 50. They want us to talk about what else happening. They want us to talk about NBA, the NBA Cup courts.

They want us to talk about the city jerseys getting released. They want to talk about fights. You want to talk about the Celtics. You want to talk about everything that's going on in the NBA world. Heavy on the city jersey. They definitely want to hear us talk about that. And you know what y'all? We're recording this on Thursday, November 14th.

And they have finally officially released them. So it's going to be a good TikTok time. We're going to talk about that. Talk about everything else Donovan is mentioned. And as you see by the title, we're specifically going to frame this episode around the most underrated player on every NBA team.

We've done a lot of talking in the last few weeks about teams, who's great, who's worse than we expected, who's going to blow it up eventually, yada, yada. And next week we're going to have a big episode really talking about that. If you can assume what that is if you've been around for our history.

So this week, we're going to take a break and we're going to do something player-focused. You know, players that deserve more love, deserve more shine people to fly under the radar yeah we've been kind of negative we you got to balance it out right you can't just you can't just hate all the time then then there's just no fun now you're just a mean person right that's not that's not who we are right and and and nothing else we are fair so we got to show love at the same time says the least fair person on this podcast facts i'm very fair i'm very fair all right okay i'm different i'm i'm extreme on both sides

right there in the middle. You will glaze and you will hate both equally? Yep. Okay. You're a man of dichotomy. Fair enough. You know, it's not fair? The duality of man.

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you're going to hell. Be ready. I'm at your door. I'm dragging you. All right, man. Without further ado, let's get into talking about the most underrated player

on every single NBA team. The cranium is crazy. Oh my God. I mean, I don't have done a, don't know what to say. Pray on eaters, rejoice. Before we get into the underrated part,

we have to do one quick segment that I'm going to start, you know, a few weeks ago, a few episodes, we started a segment where we did the best take of the day, where I showed you guys what it sounds like.

I showed you a take from, I think Twitter was, and we talked about it and we patted the guy in the back for having a good take. Today we're going to talk about the worst take of the week, the dumbest bullshit I saw all week.

And we can call this dumb bullshit without being mean because it came from an anonymous source. which they're not putting a name to it so we can berate it all we want and that take came from Timbontems not okay I'm gonna say it didn't come from Timbantams not his opinion

but on his podcast he reported that an anonymous NBA scout says Victor Womenyama is not an impactful offensive player he said he's absolutely awesome on defense and not impactful at all in offense he just looks like he's playing with a whole lot without a whole lot of direction

and you know this was said and it was echoed by a lot of of people on Twitter because for the first six or seven games of the year, Victor Women Yama kind of alarmed people with the amount of three-point shots he was taking. It was over half of his shots were from three, which is outrageous for somebody his size, and people see big guys shoot, small guy shot, and they get pissed. But since then, those shots all go in now. For the last three games, he's making over 50% of his threes.

And as you mentioned at top of the show, Donovan, he scored 50 points yesterday with eight made three-pointers. Sounds like a pretty impactful offensive player to me. how do y'all feel about this conversation you go first mode i mean it's just like regular regular season talk about regular initial season slumps it seems to us that wemby is one of those players of course like the three-point shot and at the rate that he was taking was a little alarming but players testing out new things tweaking their play style figuring out ways to be the most productive and impactful to their team on the court and the spurs was like particularly are a team that, from what I see since this new NBA era started,

they're a particularly team that like to experiment a lot, offensively, especially. Last year, we saw with Jeremy Sohan, and he was the lead point guard, and this year we're seeing Victor Roman Yama take all kind of threes. And I want to say it's like starting to pay off because it's just three games yet or whatever.

But it looks like it's freaking starting to pay off right now, and he looks real unguardable. Just regular off season or regular early in the season overreactions. Yeah. And I understand why it alarms people. Like that's the wording you use is alarming because it's weird. It's not something we're used to. And all the conversation on Twitter is also about like, perhaps NBA ratings are down because there's too many threes and people don't like it.

Neither here nor there, whether you think that's true or not, whatever. But people have grown a sort of like hysteria around three-point shooting in the same way they have had like free throw shooting for a few years. I've talked a lot about people being super dramatic about free throws. That's becoming a thing about threes where people think threes are like an antithesis of fun, antithesis of anything good. So, you know, the biggest guy on the court is taking the most threes. Oh, my God, that can't be good. And I think people will have failed to account for the fact that Wembe is not normal. And perhaps we should understandably expect him to not play normally.

You know, he's a strange talent that isn't going to fit into whatever box you want. I know some people were like, I'm glad he's choosing to be KD instead of Hakeem. He is neither of those guys. So I understand it's weird, but I think it might not be bad. It might not be bad in terms of, like, his overall production. But I do think that there is something to like, bro, like your seven, six, you don't need to be taking step back after step back after step back. You know what I'm saying? Like it's not it's not the fact that he's taking, at least for me, it's not the fact, it's not the fact that he's taking a lot of threes.

It's the types of threes that he's taking where like, you know, they're, you know, bagward threes or, you know, he's trying to do it off the dribble instead of catch and shoot and stuff like that. Like I would rather than be more in the flow. of whatever is going rather than you think that you're a step dame tray and now you're seven six because at that point that is where people are correct where you kind of are bailing people out because again you're the tallest person on the on the floor and you are and it's not it's not like he's zach edie where you're seven six but you're also not like super you know like nimble or agile in that way where wendy does have that so you can be close to you can be closer to the basket and still be productive there.

And so if he played like dame for the rest of his career, I would be frustrated. That's really easy to say when the shots aren't going in. But if the shots go in like they go in for game. Yeah, yeah. Now you have a seven foot four day. Yes. And so the argument against it is like, yeah,

what if he scores 50 points and shoot 60% for three? Like, of course, if you're going to shoot 60% from three, do whatever you want. Nobody in the world is ever going to shoot. shoot 50% 45% from three consistently like even like like like like exactly unless you're like step curry so it's like it's when we like there's there's rules that step can do and then there's rules for like every other basketball player on the planet and exactly exactly and wemby's going to be one of the guys that has his own set of rules that defies conventional logic no I agree he's not

he's not going to shoot 50% every time if he shot 38% he would have had like 39 points this game it would have been great. I know exactly what you mean and the logic checks out, but I think it's mostly because we haven't seen it before. And it's frustrating, like you said, when he's playing like Dame and he's making 15% of those shots like for a few games. It's not frustrating at all when they go in at a good clip. And as part of it is obviously he's not going to have the same shot that he has now. Like they're working through it. He's developing. They're trying to figure out the balance. Right now 45% of his shots are threes and only like 31% are at the rim. That's not enough. It has to find a slightly different balance. But that's,

idea of building his shot from the outside in and making him the best most lethal stretch big of all time who can also be a lob threat can also attack do high post passing all this stuff but it's built off of the three point shot and having the most space for everybody else ever and making everybody else better that way is not some awful way to go about your game that's not some stupid idea for a player who's extremely unique i i just don't i don't need him to i don't need him to be out here looking see the moves that that we're seeing right there that's that's where it's like that's where it's fine instead of you take that spin and now you're taking you know the double step back and now you're taking that that three i it's the it's

the hard off the dribble threes that i'm not that i'm not a massive fan of i don't really care about any any of the other threes it's those in particular that are that for me i'm like you there is at a certain point you are bailing the defense out when you're doing that yeah i understand until you made 39% of them then it's not a bailout it's a lethal weapon like the difference is just does it go in or not

if you're on the if you're on a heat check do whatever you want but I'm saying before for an 82 game like season for the playoffs like that's that's like one of those players who doesn't make any sense last year he's one of the best

step back three point shooters in the entire NBA I think it was like top four in that category in terms of efficiency also considering volume and so if it goes in which is like historically hasn't going in there's nothing that you can do about it

but just watch it go in continuously And I think something I will say is that with him stepping out a lot more, it feels and seems to be really beneficial, like Isaac said to, like the rest of his teammates. And surprise, surprise, because they can't shoot. Like, they can't shoot, but they right now, they are at their, they have a six and six record this last year. It took them like 35 games to reach five wins. They surpassed that within two, three weeks of the season. It's working right now. There's unlimited driving lanes when you're seven foot five guys out here.

opponent's big man has to guard him like that. It's the same argument of why we like Christoph Frizingis. Why we like Miles Turner, Chad Holmgren, whatever. No one says Chad Holmgren take less threes. It's only Wembe because we have this idea of Wembe being this dominant big and he still can be. It's just probably going to look different than what you expected. He's still driving to the rim. He's still being hyper-efficient there. He's shooting 81% at the rim. Now, I want him to get there more. I'm a big fan of rim pressure with anybody. So I want less mid-ranges, more rim shots, but I don't have an issue at all with them emphasizing threes at a high degree and figuring out what the balance is.

See, you're just going to say, get your big ass in a pain over it. No, no, exactly. Exactly. We know you want to say that. Thank you. Listen, listen, I'm trying. I, listen, I try very, very hard, right? I try very, very hard.

But at the end of the day, get your big ass in the paint. You are seven, six. What are we talking about? What are we talking about? You're a modern man. No, tall man, stay there. Like, I, it takes so much. And again, if you are.

If you're shooting at a very, very high clip, that's cool. I just, I don't want to see that be a majority of a shot or even like, I don't know, like a more than like a consistent part of his shot die. Like if he, if he really starts to think that he is, is Tray Young, I think that that is and will become an issue rather than being, you know, I have all of these tools and I can use them equally instead of, okay, now I'm leaning on on this. instead of, you know, going down and driving and really just abusing the fact that you are 7-6

and as athletic and as new boys you are. Again, he's not not doing that. I think it would be cool if the best shot blocker we've ever seen is also the best shooting big man you've ever seen. If that's the final outcome, I think that'd be pretty fucking awesome. What's the point of being 7-6? Like, you know, you know, no, but like there, you know when like when you're little and like you see people dunk in,

you're like, man, if I could dunk, I'd never take a jump shot. like he he doesn't have to do that he just he doesn't you know you just he does it you know why no i know i know i know i know all the things you know when big man comes up when big man comes up you love chad homegrin you are seven you're like nah nah get down there because think about how tall chet is and then add a couple more inches and like wendy is that he's like and now his shot is even more impossible and i'm like it sounds awesome to me i need you to get down i need you to get down I don't need you to try to be, you know, pat you and just banging the people all day.

I don't need that. I'm sure the balance is going to get there. It's going to get there. It will. That's all I want. It's just balance. Okay. Well, let's move on to the main topic of this episode.

Let's talk about the most underrated player on every single NBA team. You guys know how it goes. All three of us have 10 teams to talk about. All three of us pick 10 underrated players to talk about. We're going to go one by one and to reach every team. Now, I saw the comments last week. once again i think mo forgot to talk about one of his teams and it was the pistons pistons fans felt very wrong the last episode just know every time we do this mo's gonna forget

a team this is a third second time in a row it's gonna happen so whoever it gets wrong this time i'm sorry that's hilarious 30 teams is a lot of teams i'm sorry exactly bro just like y'all i'll be ready to get on all right mo you go first who is the first underrated player you want to talk about this year we should just start with the pistons whoever has the pistons we should just do that as a business but it's not going to be a fun conversation okay let me let me start this off okay the phoenix suns okay they have been they have surpassed a lot of expectations earlier this season i believe for just a quick second they were the number one seed in the western conference obviously things have changed just a little bit because the best player katie went out with

injury and we're going to get them back in a few weeks i believe but through the first 10-ish games watching them fully healthy the most underrated player who's seen them to not get enough conversation because of the way hierarchy is an NBA is Bradley Beal. So far in this season he has fully adapted

and bought into the okay like I am the third guy on this team and he's been doing all the needy gritty things focus more on playmaking a lot less on buckets, focused on rebounding, defending at a good enough rate

and he's been an essential piece to just like filling in all the games. He's obviously like super talented. We've seen him at spurts play point guard for the Washington Wizards have to get rebounds and defend really well at a high level back when he was teammates with John Wall and stuff like that. So seeing him fully like adapt and be bought in and not be overly focused on buckets and just give effort on all other aspects of the court has been also been making this team work on

all, work on all levels. Like Tyos Jones is there of course. Mike Boonehozer is there to like set up all the plays and just put him in perfect spots. But Bradley Biel's mindset shift is what makes them super overrated to me. Yeah, and I think Mike Boodenholzer with all my heart for making us see one of the best versions of Bradley Biel I've ever seen. I think this version of Bradley Billson this year is probably a more productive player than when he was averaging 30 is one option on the Wizards. And, you know, we talked a lot about Boodenholzer is going to get this three point volume up. It's what he does. He's a modern player who gets, I'm not a modern coach who knows how to win in the modern NBA, which it really comes down to the three point volume battle.

is a big part of the game in the regular season at least and they in turn have been a top five three point volume team and those threes have to come from somewhere Bradley Bill is currently shooting 46% of his shots from three point range that's way higher than he's ever shot in his life his highest is when he was really young

in 2017 he shot 39% of his shots in three so substantially more than back when he was a fucking sharpshoer next to John Wall and he's been insanely efficient he's shooting 78% at the rim just picking and choosing his spots being lethal in that role I love it yeah exactly

Yeah, I think this is like, this is like the interesting part about a lot of teams because like coming into the year, you see the suns and a lot of us like, yeah, like that situation is messed up. Like they're probably cooked for the decade and you look at how they went out in the playoffs and then boom, you get a competent coach and now things like get to get to fall into place and then you got you add Tyos Jones. And now like Bradley Beale doesn't have to play out of position. Devin Booker does that have to play, you know, crazy out of position. And there's there's a difference when you have like bad systems and good systems where people do play out of position, but it's because they are like versatile. Now you can play more like position this rather than I'm trying to fit a round peg into a, I'm trying to fit a, what's the thing?

Keep trying. The square peg into a round hole. There you go. That boy wants a crown eater university. It's been a while. But, yeah, so, like, I think, like, figuring out how to maximize Bradley on this team, and it's also, it's also year two. Like, we take for granted a lot of times when you throw three stars together,

year one is you're almost never going to win a championship when you just throw a bunch of stars together. It takes time to, you know, to develop chemistry. So it doesn't, yeah, it doesn't shock me that they are, I guess, better this year or that they feel more comfortable playing off of each other. especially with bud there so i'll i'll i'm too shocked that you picked brad bill too because i thought that like you were going to go with like ryan dunn or something like that but that's a really good pick yeah and i also like how whenever no i was really high on them in the preseason and a big part why is good coach plus three stars with good depth like that's a good formula

and i think we saw that in the first game a couple days ago when katy went out they played the jazz who are the worst team in the west so no easy lick but as expected they have these three stars and enough role players that when one's missing they can slide around the rotation and still be a very good team. Bradley Biel scored an efficient 24 points your game and just became that second option with Katie gone, where Devin Booker at 31, you know, except the first option rule.

And they looked great. It looked like they hardly lost a step. They lost this game to the Kings. You know, the Kings are a good team at home, so they're not going to beat every team without their best player. But it's nice that they can remain a float. Also, Bradley Biel didn't play this game,

so irrelevant. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I feel like whenever we talk about Bradley Bill on this pod over the last year, year and a half-ish, It's never been, like, with great joy because it's like, oh, Bradley Beale, $50 million, no trade cause, cancerous NBA contract. Like, that's how we would like.

No, we don't think of it. No, who thinks that up here? Nobody's that extreme about it. It's just like, no one wants Bradley. No one will want Bradley Beal on their team. We have talked about him. Yeah. I think he was good last year.

I don't hate Bradley Beal. We didn't hate him, but it's less like, we never had like pep in our step talking about Bradley Beal. There was never a super positive situation. Not an exciting situation But now it's super exciting I would want a guy like that on my team Being super connected

And just like not being really selfish at all Not being woo killing back Like we're killing bass On all that like sign me up He's doing right Biggest problem last year was he was injured He was honestly nearly this good last year too Just less three point volume

But he just couldn't say healthy And that's really fucked him The second half of the season Yeah I agree I agree Who's your first team Donovan Uh My first team

Let's go with the Milwaukee Bucks, actually. Okay, who was underrated on this terrible-ass team? They got this dude fitting into the role, fulfilling every stereotype. Man's name is A.J. Green, and he is a sniper. The Great White Hope for Milwaukee. AJ Green, right? The Bucks had tweeted this out the other day.

They were, you know, they're bigging up their guy. he said AJ Green is shooting 59.4% from three this season. He is, I think for them, when you have, when you have Janus and, you know, he's running fullback dive and doing all this, like, you do want spacing behind him. And you thought, like, hey, maybe Gary Trent could be that. And that's going to be good on the minimum. Gary Trent was playing awful. Torin Prince is, you know, he's getting run.

But your idea is we are going to have this dynamic guard. with dame we're going to have janis who is you know top two top three best player in the world and we're going to surround them with shooters brick lopez is one of them and when that happens it forces people to make a bunch of decisions and having somebody as efficient who can come off the bench and having somebody who can be in in your lineup and in your rotation like a j green and instantly provide offense and provide spacing that's massive and so like they suck and they're going to lose a lot of games this year but having having somebody like that like that is a bright spot and so while we're all talking about the you know the fit between yadis and dame

be you know be watching for a j green on the highlights they're on screen he just got scored on twice in a row i didn't i didn't say i didn't say notice i didn't say anything about his defense i say he can't i say he comes into the game and he shoots that thing no i like players like i love when i look at a shot chart and like look at the shot distribution and it's like nearly 100% three-pointers. Yeah. It's like, that guy has a job

and he knows what it is. AJ Green, 98% of his shots are from three. I love that number. That's just hilarious. That's a Duncan Robinson type archetype, bro. That's, he's the first player where they got really disgusting. Like, he just straight up,

only shoot threes. That's like, right, bro. You can get to room a little bit. But I love it. Some people have a role. Yeah. I like it.

Okay. That's the spirit of the underrated players thing. Like some guys, I'm going to pick some, like, kind of star level guys, too. like he picked Bradley Beale. A.J. Green is the spirit of why we do this. That's a good fun pick.

Yeah. Also, I don't know who else you pick on this fucking team. I suppose you didn't have much of choice now, did you? No, not really. I have a couple like that where it's like, I honestly don't know who to pick. So you guys are just going to give whatever I give you. Well, let's talk about a team that I know exactly who to pick. Let's talk about perhaps currently the most underrated player in the league based on how he's playing.

I'm going to go ahead and mute Moe's mic so I can talk without. ejaculation. Dyson Daniels is the most underrated player on the Hawk. Dyson Daniels is so unbelievably good. I watch most of this game against the Boston Celtics

the first game to play in tournament and dude, he is such a fucking demon defensively. His defensive playmaking skills are outrageous. It's like the Atlanta Hawks formerly the Pelicans,

formerly the G League, formerly wherever he played in high school, school. Ask the bold question. What if Alex Caruso was six foot eight? That's what he is at this point. He has that type of defensive ball hawk and ability. He's he has some wiggle getting to the rim. His jump shot's terrible. Maybe that'll come along. We're not going to talk about that today. But he has just filled the role that Dejante Murray left behind so perfectly. And I say that Dejante left behind. I should say he fills the role that Dejante Murray was meant to provide when he got traded to the Hawks. The defense was supposed to be the calling card next to Tray Young. We have a

locked down, big defensive guard next to him that can make Tray Young insanely easy to hide defensively. Desjante was never like that. Dejante said, I want to be Tray Young. I want to take off the dribble jumpers and I want to put the ball on the motherfucking bucket, and he was not focused on defense like that. All Dyson Daniels has ever focused on in his goddamn life is defense. He's never woke up and thought anything other than I'm going to steal that ball. His block rate is the highest in the NBA among guards. His steel rate is the highest in the NBA among guards. He's just incredible. He's exactly what the Hawks needed. And if you're going to have if you're somebody that wants to buy stock in the Hawks, one of the biggest reasons you should is

because Dyson Daniels is going to be their next to trade on for a long time. What did I say? The Atlanta Hawks are not going to have not only one most improved player of the year candidate, but two on this team. Jalen Johnson, I got bad news for you because Dyson might steal your award. Jail is not those talks anymore. He didn't know. But Dyson is. Dyson is. Dyson is. in those talks for sure. Yeah, man, 3.6 steals a game right now. That's ridiculous. He shoots 69% at the rim

and 45% from mid-range. Those are just great numbers. Those are very good tertiary score in numbers. The Hawks defense is 8.7 points better with him on the court. The season is today, he would be first team all defense. He'd probably be like third in defense player

of the year voting even. He has been the best guard defender in the league right now. I love it. Now Landry Fields, if you're watching this, all we need to do is find three more Dyson Daniels and then our team is set. Three more of those guys

than we're good, bro. Cologne his ass. I know what that is. That makes you the Oklahoma City Thunder. That's Caruso, J. Dub, and Casey Wallace. Just like the most

ball hawking guards of all time. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. He's fantastic. He's everything you can hope for. Yeah, I agree. He's been, when it comes to,

I would say, a semi-disappointing season for the Hawks because no really expected to seem to be roaring over 500 injuries and also like the talent on the team.

relying on a rookie like Zachary yesterday so far stuff but with what dyson daniels has sewn alongside the progression that jalen johnson has sewn also is just like a new element of just like holy shit we could be cooking something here we might have like found another foundational piece through like the consistent failure after failure to failure foundational pieces that we've had that we've experimented with since we had train young we've got we've had no guys to be a part of the train young regime so far and in his year seven I guess we have two guys now. It's just stumbled across by him.

So he's going to be one of the saving reasons for this team if we ever do something interesting. Yeah, once they trade, Tray Young this summer and really reset. Yeah, yeah, all right. But you can build it on Dyson Daniels. Anyways, next team, who do you want to talk about? They really could do that. They really could do that. All right.

Next team, all right. Let's talk about this is a real shitter. Let's go ahead and get out the way. The Portland Trowlings is this is a team that I 100% forget. Yeah, real shitters. Man, when this guy was placed on this team, I believe last year, I think he was part of the KD trade or something like that too. I was like, who the hell is too many cameras? And why is his name like, why is his name on my screen right now?

His name is too many camaro. He is a two-way demon on the Portland Trail Leasers. Now, if you're a Portland fan, you would know that there's not too many things to be proud of in that city, basketball-wise. I'm not sitting on your economy. Who knows? You guys might be... Your economy. All right.

Who's the fuck about the economy? Maybe it's... Listen, man. I've been... It's political moment. They're timber exports? The divorce are great. Political moment.

Get a grip. Political blows in the building. Tomani Kamara, bro. There's nothing... You would know if you're a business fan. There's not that many things that you would be proud of when it comes to that team.

DeAndre Ainsie and... He's DeAndregana, not doing too much. Anthony Simons's hat up and downs. Shaden Sharp has been injured for a chunk of the season, but he just came back. And your number two pick overall two years ago or whatever has, our last year has not been great in the slightest. To Mike Kumar is a bright spot. Shout out to him. He kind of reminds me of Keegan Murray.

I feel like he's there, Keegan Murray. Now, they don't have the Deer in Fox yet. They don't have their Subonis yet. they don't have their De Rosen yet they don't have their Keone Ellis yet but they got their Keegan Murray they don't have the Mike Brown yet they don't actually got Mike Brown yet

they got the furthest thing but no he's good he's a 6-8 wing that is gonna take threes and he's gonna be a very active defender he knows that he uses size he has that length to like really disrupt plays he has a very high steel rate like he's the perfect player

to like insert into a young core next to stars it looks like Klingan's gonna be the dude it looks like Sharp is gonna be the dude as like they're two core starters right now TB fucking deep with school Henderson, but whoever we insert into this year, whether it be Ace Bailey or, God forbid, Cooper flag, whatever it may be,

there's like a hundred percent chance that too Monty Kamar will fit with whoever you insert into that role. There's no chance he's not going to be a good part of this rotation. Yeah, exactly. If you're a Blazers fan, take that home with you, be happy about it and you can throw away you the rest of the season. He was out there giving Anthony Edwards buckets in his face.

Next week, we will talk about those two fucking games and talk about the Timberwolves. They are Huh, I don't know to say. Yeah. Interesting. Let's, let's, listen, my next team, let's actually, let's go to the Minnesota Tim Wolves right now. I guess for them underrated, Nikaa Alexander Walker, like, nobody else is really, like, Andy Edwards, we already know.

Like, there's no way that he's, you know, underrated, Rudy Gobert is doing Rudy Gobert things. Julius Randall. He's been kind of ass. I don't know. I mean, everything, everything about like that next week. Yeah, yeah. Everything, everything about like that situation is kind of just weird right now. the one thing that you can kind of look at for them and be like, oh, like this, it's actually pretty

good. I would say is Nick Hill Alexander Walker. And because while they are trying to figure out their, you know, their one-two punch offensively with Ant and Julius Randall, having guys on the perimeter, especially when Dante Diogenjo is not knocking down shots at the, at the rate that you thought he would, Nicky Alexander Walker is shooting pretty well from three. And he is like a bright spot for the, for their spacing, for their shooting. And so I think right now, like that's that's what that's there's a lot of issues and again next week we would talk about a lot of them there's a lot of issues with the tim wolves mikhail alexander walker isn't really one of them and especially because coming into this year we saw the draft picks that they made and we're like

oh they you know they drafted stuff for instant offense and you know for some more offensive juice in uh rob denningham and uh and in uh new man uh shannon they don't play like You know, so Nickyne Alexander Walker is kind of like the guy, like that extra offense, especially like, you know, when my colleague comes out. So shout out to him because he's also there. He's also their like, he has been playing well. He's their only point of attack defender of the roster. They have like two good perimeter defenders, Janna McDaniels and N.A.W.

And, you know, Jamie Daniels is awesome. He's a big wing defender. You want him being able to like help with the nail and be the big wing role you expect. Do you have exactly one good premier defender that can be the point. attack defender on a point guard and fight over screens and that's to kill Alexander Walker. Not that Mike Conno is a cone. You know, Dr. Vincenzo has some chops there. He's

gritty, sneaky athletic and all that stuff. But to kill Alexander Walker is genuinely a very good defender. I agree. One of the most elite league has to offer at the backup position specific. The tumbles have pissed me off so much. Me too, man. They've upset me so much. We will talk about them at length next

week on the big episode is coming next week. Big episode. who's next isaac who would you like to deem as underrated in this show uh let's talk about cleveland cavaliers who interesting it's probably the last time i can call this got underrated because the tides are about to fucking turn i'm about to be a rich man because i invested all my stock in the last three years into darius garland and it is coming i love it's been great it's been fantastic last year a lot of people were mean to me because i kept

saying Darius Garland is better than your favorite young player. We did our young players ranking the last year, and I still ranked Darius Garland ahead of Alper and Sangoon, and Rockets fans were on my ass. Maybe I was wrong, neither here nor there. I guess they're similar close players. I like Sangoon good enough. But people were mad at me because Darius Garland was having a very terrible year,

coming off of his broken jaw. He lost 10 pounds, clearly lost a lot of confidence. There was question marks about his ability to play next to Donovan Mitchell. The offense they were running with their former coach was terrible. It was a nightmare scenario for Darius Garland, a player who I'd been hyphen up for years. The first year of this show, I had him in conversations

with some of the best young guards in the league right now because he was a young All-Star, and I fully believe in that trajectory. Did not go well last year, and people kind of forgot about him. He was written off, yada, yada, yada. This guy is back. And not only is he back,

he looks better than he's ever looked. Even when he was good, he was a pretty bad clutch performer in terms of, like, his scoring ability. And it was often kind of a disaster with the ball in his hands with five minutes left to go down by five or whatever.

This year he has been so unbelievably amazing in the clutch. He is currently ninth in clutch points for game in the league and he shoots 80% from the field of these situations.

It's amazing. He's so good. He's back. You know how I mentioned with Bradley Bill that they have a new coach who's making them do a high three point volume

that shooting has to come from somewhere in the starting lineup? Same type of deal with Kenny Atkinson. He came in and rescued this team and people may be wondering how are they such an amazing

offense, top three in the league with two non-spacing big men playing 20 minutes a game together. And that's because Darius Garland is shooting 47% of his shots from three and shooting 45% from three. He's a fucking sniper.

He does not miss. He's everything this offense needs. Yeah. It's about time. Yeah, it's about time. I remember like two weeks ago, hasn't it been two weeks? I don't know.

A while ago I tweeted out while Darius Garland was having. Another heater, one of his many this sees, I was like, I feel like I had Bitcoin in 2008. Because this whole, this whole pot, all of us have stayed very, very steady on the fact that Derrick's Garland is still a very, very good basketball player. And the fact that, like, it's so crazy just how fast things move in the NBA because

this off season, we're like, oh, yeah, Dary's Garden is getting traded. His agent came out and they were like, if Donovan Mitchell resides, we're asking for a trade. And so, and he, you know, DeMitch immediately got the contract and we're like, oh, okay, I guess that's it, you know, two straight playoff exits, you fire the coach, I guess it's going to be big changes, and now the Cavs look like the prime team. It's them in the Celtics as the only two actual good teams in the Eastern Conference. Isn't this cool? They told Rich Paul to beat feet. Get the fuck out of here. We're going to stick with our duo. We'll figure it out with the new

coach. And none of us all this coming. I wasn't, I was like, okay, I mean, I guess you run it back, but I'm skeptical. It'll work with a new coach just because you wanted to. I'm skeptical that Darius Garland won't eventually get traded. I was fully expecting for it to not go great. I thought they'd be like when I picked them I think I said four or five seed yeah I think of a four seed so I thought they'd be fine but I fully expected another playoff flame out and fully expected Darius Garland to eventually be on a new team because Rich Paul wanted to be so which probably means Darius Garland kind of wanted to be so

at some point now it's not the case everything is well they're playing great the young core finally is growing into each other they're all playing really well if I was a cast fan I'll be nothing but optimistic right now you haven't lost the game where exactly there's nothing to be pessimistic about this is one of the best starts in franchise history that you guys have had so yeah it's not just they haven't lost the game it's how they're winning these games

and how much Evan Mobley is growing to his role a lot of the issues about him and Jared Allen are being alleviated because Evan Mobley is just a crazy aggressive score finishing over people with his length so it almost doesn't matter as much if there's no spacing because if there's a guy in front of him he's just gonna put it over his fucking head and it matters

less that Darry's Garland is playing next to another kind of sort of point guardish player because he makes all this spot up threes so these guys just fit now as long as that stays the way it is there's almost no issues yeah I agree I want to touch on what you just said

like it's not even about it's about how they're winning really like they're winning handily they have a recipe a formula that I don't want to say it feels unbeatable but literally it's unbeatable right now especially when all these guys are shooting hyper efficient now can we expect that

to maintain throughout the entire season no obviously but which in the way that they're getting the wins and the game plan of Like having Evan, having Evan Mowgli be, like, roam around on an offense and seeing him be more aggressive while also Darius Garland, he doesn't, being more so relegated to the three-point instead of dancing on everybody between the mid-range and in the paint is beautiful. Meanwhile, you also have Donovan Mitchell doing the same exact Donovan Mitchell things. And, like, the other guys, the Dean Wage of the world, Max Trues is not even there yet. The Dean Wages of the world, the, what's that dude?

I forgot about Max Trues. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. they're going to be even better when he comes back. Isaac Carole is doing his thing. And then they have, what's that dude? Cares avert. That's that dude.

Cairnsavert being extremely well. Tygerome. Yeah, they're loaded. They're loaded. They're loaded. They're loaded. They would have no weird. If the Celtics didn't have the best team we've seen in the past however many years,

I would fully expect the Cavs to make a finals right at this point, based on how they looked. I would feel so okay if a Cavs fan told me they should be the fairies in the east. Sadly, Celtics exist, so they're not the favorites in the East. But if they didn't exist, I would be with you Cavs fans. A, a couple podcasts. ago I said that I misspoke I said the Cleveland Cavaliers could look the Celtics in the eye they can't look them in the eye but they could look them in the nose for sure you're on my eyes

they can't look them in the eyes I'm like bro they can take them like five six games for sure absolutely they were the hardest scene that they faced throughout the entire that doesn't mean five six games that doesn't mean hey it means so if you're a Cleveland Cavaliers fan it means something it's taking somebody five games doesn't mean anything it means something bro you're right Nick a look at in the eyes I'll take that back you're right right they can look them in the eyes i don't know if that means a thing they can look real confident in their eyes i don't know if that means a win but that means something because like 95% of the NBA especially in the eastern conference can't do shit against these guys

yeah they can look they can look all right boys the cheeks the eastern conference is awful i know i went your next team okay so my next team it's another shitter let's just go ahead and get it out the way all right how many shitters the toronto raptors oh god a little bit of amount, but yeah, there are other shiters that are actually fun to me, but Toronto Raptors are just not that fun. Now, Raptors fans, they're probably having a lot of fun because this is a real tanking year and they're starting to see and have like a lot of pieces on their roster, start to come into one, whether it be Grady Dick finding his own, being a 20 point per game score or like

Emmanuel Quickie doing his thing too. I'm messing with my eyes. Look at this sweater. One people calling them like. Scotty Barnes got that shit on. Look at this sweater. Did you see that? No, they was saying he was Arthur.

Oh, Arthur. There you go. Yeah. They was hating on it. Wait on. I don't have the glasses, but I fuck with a sweater. Hmm. All right.

Okay, well, who's the most underrated player on the Raptors? Because they've had some good young pieces. I'm interested in which one you think is the most underrated. Can you change? Yeah, so. Get over it, old man. So the most underwear player on the Tarantor Raptors has to be Olcheabachi. Yeah, there you go, right answer.

He was, he was drafted. back in the year 2022, I believe, like, originally by the Cleveland Cavaliers, but ended up being Utah Jazz. And for the Utah Jazz, he was performing or living up to any real expectation. And he was one of those young 3-and-D role players who just had to find his way and take his time to, you know, find his real strength to get used to playing NBA basketball. And since then, he's done that as his second year now, as a Toronto Raptor, the Steelers traded their last year.

I think this year he's averaging just about 13. 13 points shooting hyper efficiently from the three point line. And he, it's fair to say, like, he actually has a spot in this team, and they are starting to build a foundation. He's not like a super, he's an important piece, but he's not, he's not like one of the, the guys. So far this, he's putting up, like, 13 points on 47% shooting from the three point line on 410s per game. He's hyper efficient. Obviously, it's not going to, like, maintain. But considering where he was at last year, totatoly at, total.

totally averaging like six points per game on just me efficiency 33% from the field he went from like just a usable role player for like five 10 minutes per game to like no like we probably have to play this guy 20 minutes a game to increase our chances to win he's up the status whenever they made this trade last year we all liked it i don't remember your eyes is exact enthusiasm for it but i was like hell yeah you get rid of kelly olinick and you get this guy in who's a young player that could be like you know, he's like an untapped potential with a team that hasn't used him super well, hasn't used him very much.

Like he was not getting a ton of minutes with the jazz. And it worked out exactly as hope. It was a great, you know, swing. What do they call it? I think Bill Simmons coined a second draft guy, the guy who needs to go to a second team after being a high pick and get a second opportunity essentially drafted a second time

by a team that wants to take a new swing on them. That's precisely what this was and it worked exactly well. I'm very excited for when they're fully healthy and especially when they draft another top five person let's say they get the best big in the draft which would be ideal you have your point guarded quickly and Grady Dick is a fucking sniper now so he's great too

to be able to have the versatility of Agbaji Barrett and Barnes as like a wing trio with different lineups that's gonna intrigue me very fast if they get another star star there that's what that's exactly what I was going to say because they are like like most said like they're in a very like prime tanking place where they actually are like the fun tanking team

where you can see like you know like you can see the pieces of the foundation and especially now the Grady Dix is just like yeah like you know I just won't miss like I'm just good now I don't do that so I yeah I actually really like the Raptors I've paid down on the Raptors in the past listen might have to be an honorary Raptors fan in the next couple years who knows oh yeah you take Canada no no I rock with Canada you rock the Canadians run the tapes run the tapes run the tapes he does not rock with Canada it's them who What was that? I'm going to pull up.

It's the Raptors. It's like them specifically. I kind of like the Raptors as an organization. Toronto? I don't know. No, I didn't like the Raptors whenever they kept fucking running back mid for all those years

when Maasai was being hardheaded. I hated that. But listen, I like the Raptors' aura. They have really good jerseys, really good branding. They have a hardcore fan base. They run a country.

I hope they're good one day. I like the Raptors as organization. Yeah, that's not bad. They're cool. Is it my turn? No, it's Donovan's turn. This is Donald's turn. All right.

Once again, another stinker. Let's get him out the way. I had a very, very hard time figuring out who was underrated for the New Orleans Pelicans because everybody that would be underrated is now in the starting lineup. Like, they're all playing. They're missing all of their key guys. They don't have any space for anybody to be underrated. So, yeah, that's really it.

Like, they don't have something for you. They got something for you. They don't have it. I will say. Mo, I want you to answer. Wait, because I want you to answer mine too, because let's do both these teams together. I have the Pistons. I, who the fuck is underrated on the Pistons? Not anybody. Like, not to say they're all bad, but who's underrated? All their players have high draft cachet, so they're rated or they're old and not interesting. So, Mo, I want you to take this moment to give us an underrated player for the Pelicans and the Pistons because me and Donovan have failed their assignments. Okay. So for the Pelicans, someone who I view is underrated. And also someone who fits into, that Bill Simmons second draft team guy I think his name is

Brandon Boston. He's from Atlanta. His name is Brandon Boston. He's someone who was drafted, highly tired. It came from Kentucky, came from Kentucky and was a man guy because he wouldn't be getting a lot today. He's a guy who didn't get any

playing time back when he was in L.A. I bury back. Simply because he was playing a, he was playing behind kawai leonard and paul george westbrook and hardin back in those days he didn't get no burn no matter what and time is when time is fizzled out picked up he got picked up by the moron's pelicans because everyone got injured the goddamn injury slim murphy came through so slashing everybody's hamstrings knees ankles wrists and all that and he's been a very very bright spot but also i don't want to say like a little bit of a curse but once everyone starts

to get healthy again, it's going to kind of suck because it's going to be like, damn. Now we got another wing who's also very good and also deserves a good amount of minutes. And knowing them, yeah, and knowing them, they're not going to like trade him or play him or do anything. They're just going to, you know, that.

You're going to trade Brandon Ingram. Brand Newark's getting traded. That's the, okay, so I didn't want to put, I didn't want to put B.I. But I think that like, you know, if we talk about like our earlier conversation about Bradley Beal. I think Brandon Ingram is kind of in that space

where like he just needs another situation and he needs a coach that's going to optimize him because he's, you know, it's just be out right now. You know that he's never going to be the best player on a championship team. But why can't this guy who is averaging, you know, in the mid to high 20s, why can't he go somewhere and be productive

for another really, really good team and help them? He definitely can. You know, like I think the pelicans talked all summer. about okay we're going to make major changes and we're going to you know trade people and like bi like you should probably be you know be looking for somewhere else to live and nobody bit and now going into the second half of this season second half we just started but going into like the rest of this season and then next year somebody probably can take a swing on bi and you will get better like he's a weird fit but there are there are some teams that are going to be out there who need a wing

who can just get buckets and that's exactly the role that bi needs to to be in. And he's doing, he's doing that right now. So I feel like from a general sense, B.I. has become underrated in the league. Yeah, B.I. is a good pick because, yeah, he's underrated because, like, even we probably subconsciously underrate him, even though we like him fine enough, just because the only reason we talk about him ever is because we say he needs to get traded, which is no fault of his own. It's not because he's bad or because he has been anything other than who he is. He's fine. It's just a fit issue, right? So probably just the cloud of going to get traded probably makes us forget how good he is.

I'm about the pistons. Who's underwent the pistons? Because I like Cade. I'm getting kind of scared. Because even when Cade does well, man, his turnover is ridiculous. Yeah.

This man cannot stop turning the ball over. His handle is not very good. His passing is good, not great. Yeah. I'm getting worried about Cade as like a number one guy. I think he's good. People shed on him a little too much sometimes. I think he might be a tertiary guy more than the lead offensive type of guy.

Exactly. So I don't think he's underrated. Jaden Ivy, I wanted to pick him. That hot shooting. from the midrange kind of kind of fizzled out as time went on and he's still not a good passer just jaden ivy he's fine durn can't defend a fucking thing as much i like him as an offensive player who's underrated here bro pissing's fans are gonna hate me because again i have

no guys for you just for all the reasons you said there's no real guy who's underrated jb bickerstaff i mean i guess it could go he could be and there's solid team so pissing fans i know we forgot to talk about you guys last week so we don't hate you guys you guys have been very very impressive for your standards. You almost beat the terrible bucks, almost, but you look competent in a way you certainly did not last year. So no slight to the piss-ins. I like their trajectory.

I just think for the underrated conversation that only haven't been that fits the role. Last year, I would have said Simone Fontechio. He hasn't done shit this year. So I'll still say him. I like Fontechio. I liked him a lot last year. We'll wait to see him get going,

but macro sense Fontecio is underrated. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. That's a good one. That's a good one. All right, cool. Sad day. What's your next team, Mo? All right. So my next team that we can go ahead and again, I have a lot of get it out the way teams. But actually, maybe you guys might want to get it out the way. But this is kind of fun to me talking about the Chicago Bulls. They started off the season on a really fun tip. And they are playing a different, more enthusiastic style and brand of basketball. And something that tends to just get overlooked is Nikola Vucevich, aka Vucci Man. He's been playing some,

of the better basketball that we've seen over the last few years, really since this entire, like, Chicago Bulls, like, era, shooting it really well from through, I believe. And he's, like, I don't want to say the helm of this team, but in terms of the consistency, like, that's that guy. I have fun watching him now. And that's something I wasn't able to say at all about the Bulls or anything like that.

So shout to Vucci. Yeah, I don't, I don't hate that pick. I think both, I think for Vooch and for Zach Levine, like Levine would have been my pick because I think it's it's kind of the same thing as the Brendan Ingram conversation where we spent all last season and all offseason saying this guy needs to get traded he has to get traded and nobody wanted to take a swing on Zach Levine and you get into the season and he's played really really well and it's like oh yeah he also can be a very like high level score and he can go to a contender and make it and make an actual

difference and the fact that you are playing this much more like open flow you know free flow and style of basketball that leads to that's exactly you know how you use you know exactly who's still who's still very athletic who can you know if we're just out here running and gunning and getting up shots Zach Levine likes to get up shots and so he like he fits that very well so I think Levine and I think Vucovich who last night against the next I mean him and Kat were going back and forth he was hooping so yeah I like those two picks yeah Vucci man right now is averaging 21-10 he's shooting like 45% from the three-point line.

He's just been ridiculous for his standards. Ridiculous. Shout to the Bulls, man. There you go. Don, what's your next team? We will go to the Los Angeles Clippers, and we're going to talk about Chris Dunn because I like Chris Dunn a lot.

I think Chris Dunn is a very, very good defender, and I think that for the Clippers, we know, like, their offense, it is what it is. And even with Norman Power playing out of his mind, I think that like their foundation for this season is going to be Chris Dunn is going to be their defense and Chris Dunn certainly does help that and so I I think that like you're when you try to like build these these teams especially around like a very I guess like ball dominant guard

whether if it's you know James Hardin or Tray Young or Luca or guys like that the formula kind of is okay we're going to have this you know like the offensive guard at the one and then we're going to have somebody at the two who can go in and do that and even though that Chris Dunn does it he only plays like 20 minutes a game I just think that he's a demon and that you can you can have these lineups with him and with James Hardin and eventually like it's going to make a lot a lot of sense he just has to shoot more right if he if he can ever get his like three point volume and three point consistency up to a decent level Chris Dunn can be a like legitimate legitimate play who's playing like 30 plus minutes right now he's not really in that role but he's been really really good this year and i just

think that you know we should get some shine on him great sorry y'all hate y'all hate criss done there's no love for you're done i mean the clippers are just like a such a stale team i'm just like i do cool oh man isaac you got your next team up i do uh which one do i want to do next Let's do the Dallas Mavericks Let's talk about him I think it's Clay Thompson Oh I love to hear it

I love to see it And I love to see Donovan clinch's face Why is it Clayton Clayton? Clay was kind of written off as Watched as fuck And I was I like the signing for them

Because I said The issues he had in Golden State Has more to do with the fact That he's been in the system And doesn't want to change How he plays in the system You know, he was taking too many hard mid-range shots, doing too much back work off, running off of these screens,

trying to play like old-school clay. And that part of his game had left him behind. What hadn't left him behind is his spot-up three-point ability. And that's what he's doing now in Boston. No, he's still running off his screens. I said in Boston, in Dallas. He's still running off his screen, still doing typical clay stuff. But so many more of his shots are coming from three.

He's shooting over half his shots from three-point range this year, which is way hard than it was last year. And he's been honestly exactly what we said he would. He's a new wrinkle in the Mavs' offense that gives him a spacer that has a quick trigger. You can't help off of him. You have better spacing you ever had before. Their offense hasn't been great so far. More of a loop of Donchish and Jason Kiddish issue.

If you ask me, I think Clay is giving him good minutes. He's a good role there. It's been perfect for what you expect. And I agree with you 100%. And so for that, that's what I'm saying. I don't know if Clay Thompson is like the underrated guy. Because I think, because I do think that he has, he has. stepped in there. And everything that we talked about in terms of, hey, you played a certain

style of basketball for a decade. It's very hard to be in that system, in that place, and then Steve Kerr would be like, yeah, actually, we need you to, you know, turn all of that off and be this specific girl. Like, he could do it. He just had to be somewhere else. He just couldn't be the place where he did that. And now that he's in Dallas, yeah, he's going to have nights, against the wars where he's six to 12 from three and he's you know he's he's shooting really really well the two games before that he didn't shoot well he's like one for seven and one for six i think that's the exact point that we're at in clay thompson's career so i can't really call him i think he's inconsistent at this point but that's that's what i expect i'm not i don't like want to

hate on him i don't want to like overpraise him i just think that he is clay thompson 34 year old NBA player and yeah that's kind of just what it is yeah and So I don't think he's like a needle mover for like you get clay, you're a super team. We're winning a championship. But people were talking about him all summer. Like he was left or dead. Like why would you give him this money? He's not going to do shit.

He's not going to. There was a big conversation on Twitter. I think there's live I pick aside about does he make them better at all? Or will the Mazz be better? And he was a big part of that conversation, his impact versus Derek Jones. It wasn't necessarily him alone. But you know, his part of the equation. I think, yes.

I think he's a weapon at this point. He's a role player in the same way you look at a champion. team adding Kyle Corver in 2017 or whatever when the calves of that we were like oh shit this new dimension to their team they had this new shooter who had run off the screens who uses gravity and just add a new wrinkle to their offense that's what Clay is at this rate and he's probably going to be one of the best of that for the next three years before he retires he's going to be just a lethal gravity creator a shooter it's going to be great I think it's yeah I think mostly not that I think Clay is amazing it's just that he was treated like he was nothing that that's

fair yeah because there was also and I've I've fallen into it too it was like Clay Thompson were 0 for 10 in an elimination game. Like that was also like a very, you know, prevailing part of the narrative around them. So yeah, that's fair. I do think that like having,

having Clay here and having, like, especially when Lucas decides to turn it on from three and having that amount of like shot making and spacing, that's going to be massive for them. All right, Mo, what is your next team?

Y'all want to talk about one more sitter. How many of these terrible teams do you have? Don't worry about it. Pay attention, look at your own damn list, all right? Okay, who's next? The Utah Jazz, P-U. You got them. I'm pushing my mic away.

Threw up. Okay, so when it comes to the Utah Jazz, obviously they're super disappointing. I know they're going to be asked, but I guess the masses assume that they're going to be okay. That's what their track worker told you. But that's just not the case. They're just trash in every single way imaginable. Keonti George's second year so far has not been good. But he's a second year sophomore.

point guard. He's shooting like 32 or 31% from the field. Yeah, not nothing too much good you can say about that. All right. Walker Kester, he's re-incerting himself into being an important NBA player or useful NBA player, and you'd love to see that. But outside of that, you know, John Kahn's doing his regular veteran thing, same thing that could be said about Jordan Clarkson. Lorry Mark and has struggled a little bit. There's no real underrated player here unless you want to talk about their rookie Kyle Kovsky. He's averaging six points, seven points per. game. Great, great.

That's the Utah Jazz and we can move on. Shout to y'all. No, I think Walker Kessler's underrated. I think he had a rough year last year and they benched him a lot for John Collins and he seemingly fell out of favor

after a rookie year that was like, I was like, all this guy's a good defensive player. Like he is promising. He is high in my redraft. Kind of fell off last year. I think he's been good again this year. And I think a lot of fan bases

have convinced himself that he's available that because he fell out of a great his last year that they can go and get him for like some random shitty player they have or a first round pick Lakers fans where they're going to get him for like D-Lo or something or maybe a protective first you're not getting Warker's not going to get traded I think he's good and I think Danny Hange knows this

he was just dangling to see somebody to overpay because he's not untouchable but people seem to think that he's just another guy and Walker Kessler is a very good center that's going to be around for a long time I love it I love it I hate Lakers fans that's next I have another stinker that I want to talk about real quick It's still a good team

It's too many stinkers No no no No real quick It's the last stinker And then we'll get to the good teams I want to talk about the Los Angeles Lakers I don't know I don't know

I'll fuck yourself Ha ha ha ha ha ha He said thank you Like he's a comedian I don't know I said that up well I'm very proud of myself for that one I'm saying, listen, I'm saying the young white boy, Dalton Connect is underrated.

I like, I like Connect. For everybody else, I think everybody else is like basically having, you know, about, like, who we thought they were. I think Austin Reeves is playing really well. But I think that Connect for them, like, especially coming off the bench, gives them some shooting depth and gives them some spacing. So I like, I like what Connect has been able to provide it. in the small sample size this year.

Yeah. He's been really terrible defensively, and he can't set screens to save his goddamn life. But man, is that boy a bucket? But again, but like we knew coming into the season, he's not a good defender. And so, like, I saw a daunting connect. I said, you have one job, knock down threes.

He's knocking down threes. And I think that for everybody else, like, Delo, we're already like, yeah, you're getting traded, buddy. Rui, yeah, yeah, you're getting traded, buddy. AD's playing out of his mind. LeBron, we're not going to talk about that right now. And then, you know, do you have, you have Reeves and connects.

So I like them. Reyes have, I guess it's not underrated because he's Austin Reeves and he's obviously not underrated. He's very, you know, well-respected, I guess. He's a good. He has been. You can't underrate Austin Reeves because he was overrated so quickly that now it's like, okay, like, we're good. Yeah. But no, he's had a great year.

J.J. Rack has done really. good stuff for him. He's scoring extremely efficiently. I score every off the dribble three he takes come off a screen or just step back. I'm like, it's going in. He's been so reliable. And I can't wait until they trade Deelow so we can just fully have LeBron and Austin Reeves as the main creators there, which hasn't been the case since they benched him. But his shooting uptick this year makes me very okay with trading Deelow shooting. Absolutely. I can agree with that. Shout to Dolphin Connect and the Lakers. I wouldn't have known who to pick for these guys either because everything is already set in stone, like he said,

said me, Troiline is a Hawks fan. I would say, Cambride just came in there and saved LeBron's legacy. Okay. Let's talk about the Houston Rockets. This is similar to my Dyson Daniels pick where maybe two of the most underweight players in the league. It's very obvious. It's very easy without a single thought.

And that is Tari Eisen. Tar Heason has been the most productive bench player in the NBA, I think. and I say that and it's not necessarily when you hear productive bench player you typically think like six men of the year type probably a fucking bucket

coming out of the bench averaging 20 and that's not what he is he is a defensive demon similar to Dyson Daniels he is the most active

perimeter of a active wing defender I've seen this year off the bench he let me look at these numbers if I wrote down because they're hysterical he's a bench player

he has only played I think like 26 minutes per game which is pretty high for a bench player highest steel percentage of any forward in the league highest block percentage of any forward in the league third and offensive rebound percentage of any forward in the league

insane he's gotten better from three point range every single year of his career he's currently shooting 39% at the rim and 70% at the rim let's think about all the things I just said elite at steals elite at blocks elite at offensive rebounds good at threes elite at the rim

where's the weakness and why is this guy not starting he is currently on the bench because Jabari Smith Jr. has the cachet has the clout has the vision of the best version of him being really good in the starting lineup as a big that can shoot the ball none of those things have occurred this year he doesn't play big he doesn't shoot the ball well while tarry easton has been a demon he is so clearly one of their five best players he needs to be a full-time starter yeah politics politics ruining a good lineup for email and eventually eventually like you think that you may is

going to get to a point where he's like all right i will i will start tarry because we've seen like we've seen him bench other people before we've seen him bench jalen green we've seen him bench shangoon all these guys who have you know the high draft pick cachet all the guys who have the the big contract stuff last year udoka came in and it looked very clear he's like oh i don't really it doesn't it doesn't really matter right what your standing is if you are one of the five best guys ume is going to play you and now you're looking at the rockets and they have two guys right between between Tari and a men

that are like oh yeah they need they need more burn but yeah Tari's Tari's a he's a dog He's insane man And if that three point shot is real He's gonna shoot 39% from three

There's no justification For not starting him Like that means he checks every box I cannot wait until the consolidation trade Happens for the Houston Rockets is going to hit like crack from the 80s And they're gonna go not flying In the West Conference

Because everything is going to be so tight And compact but man they it's going to be almost impossible to not see them as one of the best nine eight teams in the western conference impossible impossible later in the year and there we go shout out the houston rocket shout out tar he said dude they're so weird of a team because they've been like they have some wildly disappointing players but they're still really good their defense is so real yeah i can't wait and so sangoon and everybody else starts really clicking and starts to like positively regress they're going to be good i agree i agree i agree okay let's talk about another team that's semi young in the Indiana Pacers for my most underrated player on this team I think it's pretty clear he's been my guy since day one benedith matherin your name appear and has came out of my mouth once again and I love to talk about you dude what's new all right through all of this disappointments and

just the constant frustration the Indiana Pacers have had throughout the entire year of the season, whether it be Rick Carlis and it's like militant type ways or whether it be Miles Turner and his ability to be allergic to grabbing the rebound and Pascal Shiacom and his lack of touches or consistent touches. And I could even start at Tyrese Halliburton too. He's been more up than down as late, but still has been fully, fully there as we kind of expecting to be. Benedict Mathuron has been one of like saviors of this entire season for them. he has had a very up and down career whether it be through like health reasons or whether it be

through like nice way to put it yeah health ego reasons or just like yo we find a guy who works a little bit better and uh what's that dude's name again nemhard nem hard yeah Andrew nemhard put him in place dude and just like yeah no he was my guy too I have a lot of guys on the paces for some reason I love the pacer so much no I don't don't ever call me a paces fan Indiana love you You have some connection in Indiana. You have some roots there that we don't know about. I do not have no roots in Indiana. You hush your mouth.

But Bennett Mathron, on the realest end, too. On the real end, Beded at Madrid is that guy, and he is there to fill in some holes that Tyrese Halliburton and needs of standards that Tyrese Halliburton doesn't necessarily have in him, which is just being a straight-up dog, grabbing Hillary bounce,

putting his head down, diving towards the rim. So, Betid and Mathron is, bro. I got a text in one of our group chats over the day, one of my fantasy basketball chats with obviously NBA fans in there, and somebody said, nobody on the Pacers can dribble besides Benedict Mathuron,

what am I watching? And that's how it feels sometimes. It was a game, I forget who they just played, The Magic, and Tyrese Halliburton was in jail. He hit the Suggs slammer, and you felt that.

He was like two per ten from the field and clapped. He had some, he didn't know he's playing well, but he could not score to save his life. Benedict Mathman's ability to create his own shot has been so essential

to them this year. They haven't been great, but they would be even worse if Benedict Mathen was playing how he did last year when he really had almost like kind of fell at the rotation at times last year. He had completely lost the trust of his coach. And I don't know, I feel like he's probably on a short leash all the time just because he doesn't defend or pass the ball. But if he's going to be scoring this well, like, this is the vision you had for him as a rookie when you were hyping him up as like maybe a future all-star. And they need him to be this version of himself, especially with how wide open and down bad the east is right now, because because you're able to just go and, like, with Orlando and their injuries, Philly, Milwaukee, right, New York, looking bad.

That's four teams right now. Before the season, we thought that Indiana was going to be at, like, the five or six seed, right? Maybe even seven. I think I had them in seven. They have an opportunity right now to really, really rise up. And if they can get, you know, Benedict to play like this and Tyrese to just relax and, you know, play somewhat of what we thought he was going to be like coming into the year. they can really skyrocket and we it wouldn't be shocking to look up and there are like the the third seed in the eastern conference oh yeah the east is so shitty you can that's what's it

everybody everybody's bad get you the three seed everybody's bad but they do literally the brooklyn nests are a three game win streak the brooklyn nests are a one good week away from me the three seed that's how terrible the east is right now and bened and matron please come see the save the the eastern conference y'all remember when bened was a was a rookie and he was like i think he I'm like, I don't think anybody's better than me. If LeBron thinks he's better than me, he's going to have to show me. He said, you're going to show me? He's just insane, bro.

And the patients need that type of insanity injected into their, into their backward. He said, you have to show me. What fuck? You're going to talk about the Miami Heat. We're going to talk about how it is a white boy winter. I'm glad you picked him. And Tyler Hero is underrated. once again we go through these cycles of trade talk and there's a piece that gets dangled out

and when the heat were trying to get dame they're like hey listen tyler hero can be the center of your of your team and you can have all this and the and the blazers is like eh it's just Tyler hero what does that mean and a year and a half removed Tyler here is out here hooping he's averaging 25 5 and 5 shooting 48 percent from three and with as bad as Bam at Albio and Jimmy Butler are playing right now. Tyler Hero is the offense in Miami. He is carrying the offense. And when he is not out there, their offensive rating is 106.4. They have one of the worst offenses in the NBA when Tyler Hero is not on the floor. He has grown and he has developed his game. He is knocking down a crazy amount of shots. And they should be lucky right now that

he is out here and that he is healthy because once again with how bad the eastern conferences Tyler here is one of the only reasons why they are still competent right now because the other two stars that they are that they were banking on you know carrying them to win that's not that's not happening this is this is Tyler Heroes time and this is Tyler Hero's team right now he's having a great year this is the version of Tyler Hero everybody wanted and expected after that bubble run and he was snarling making all his faces looking like he had all his white boy aura whoa do that again

make the noise again he's been fulfilling that he's been fulfilling that like he's scoring at all three levels pretty well obviously he's never going to be a really good rim finisher

but he has enough shooting that he can like create some penetration he has some attacking keeping the ball moving they have a very swing swing type of offense

and he fits into that as a play finisher and play creator shout out of him man because he is he's preventing bam out of buy on Jimmy Butler

from getting a lot of bad conversations around them by keeping them just afloat enough that people's not people aren't noticing the whole team is falling apart bro everybody's watch eric spolster called a time out when he didn't have a time out we've never seen her expulsion make him this thing like that that's how you know it's going down hill in miami everything's falling apart and tyler here is the only reason why they're like competent right now it's it's ridiculous we've seen we've seen their offense for the last like

four years just be real okay i'm gonna get out i'm you know i'm gonna get out the mud is gonna be real It's going to be real hard, hard to get. And they've never been, you know, like the Celtics or the paces and this team that's just going to, you know, run up and down and get all these easy buckets like that. But over the last couple of years, it's gotten worse and worse and worse and more mid and more mid. And right now we're at the point where they are completely depleted in terms of offensive juice. And Tyler Hero is the one person on their team that has legitimate offensive juice. And he right now he deserves all the person.

can renegotiating a contract right now he should because he get him max i think he already has damn here max run it back get the get the next max more more give him 50 million dollars good god he's playing like it he's playing so well this year my next team let's do the warriors they're uh hard to pick the most underrated player in the warriors because everybody's just playing exceptional right now they're on top of the goddamn world i will check in next week with you guys every week i give you actually do real quick are you guys ready to accept the warriors are good i'm every i've been i've been on the hype train for three weeks and you guys keep give me reasons why they're not good are you in reality have you seen the warriors are a good team

i told you i was gonna wait until after the stretch where they had boston dallas uh the thunder grisly all that they've knocked them all down i am back i'm back warriors nation Dev Nation, what is good? I'm here. Yeah. And listen, the Mavs win was the most impressive one, because that was a tough game where they lost the fourth quarter lead and came back with defense and shot making in the fourth quarter. Thunder, I didn't really give a shit. Chet went out six minutes in and they played 48 minutes with, or 40 minutes with five guard lineups. So I didn't really give a fuck about that win. But this Mazz win was so good. They are a very good team, man. They're, they're great. They're playing really well. It looks like 2022 all over again. They're just fully back to that form. So with that being said, Who's underrated when you have a bunch of players who we didn't expect to be good and are not playing well? I think Draymond's probably the DPO-wise and maybe he's underrated.

Andrew Wiggins was terrible the past few years he's really good maybe he's underrated and the Anthony Melton had the back of an 80-year-old man I saw a Sixers fan shoot that this morning last year he's out here giving them good minutes but there's only one person I can go with as a real most underrated player on this team

and that's Buddy Heald. How? How does it buddy Heald? Anytime Buddy Hill's name has been mentioned in the last four NBA seasons. It has been a great shooter. He's Buddy Healed.

We've seen this experiment. We know how it goes. He has some flashes, but he can never stay on a court, can never stay in a rotation. Damn, Moe is gulping. He can never do anything well for a coach because he can't defend Jack's shit.

His offense creation is very limited with the ball in his hands. He just never stays in rotations for obvious limitations he has. So the idea of Buddy Heild has been great, but he hasn't had impact to any team he's been on the last four years. When they signed him, none of us gave a flying fuck.

We all said, oh, cool, you got diet Clay. He can probably shoot like Clay now. We'll see if he can play stay on the court because he hasn't been able to anywhere else. So I'm not going to get my hopes up that he can do that. And he has done way more than stay on the court. He has absolutely thrived. It looks like he's finally found the coach in the system

that's perfect for him. Defensively, he's been fine. I actually saw this breakdown on Twitter. Let me find the journalist's name because it was a really good breakdown. That Draymond Green had a quote where he said, We know who Buddy Hill does as a player. He likes to chase the ball.

And has always been his flaw, is he's a terrible off-ball defender because he will ball watch, he will go for steals, and it's just an instant open three for whoever's guarding him. That's why he's never had an impact on a team before. The Warriors install the system where when Buddy is on the court, he's a ball hawk, he goes for steals, goes through the ball, and everybody rotates around him. They go in knowing that let him be a playmaker and will fit in around him.

That's been their explicit goal. Dremont talked about it. Great. That's precisely what he needed. Now he can do all the shooting he does, coming off screens do all the clay thompson stuff he's been lethal in transition he's the six man of the year right now without a doubt like easily he's a six man of the year right now and i never would have expected buddy hill to look this good a day in my life yeah everything you said is facts

i listen i yeah i'm with you i didn't expect anything from from buddy and i think even even at this point when i am now officially back in with with the warriors and i'm on double nation i'm on the band I'm still like, eh, we'll wait and see. Like, we'll see if Buddy Hill can keep this up because we know, we know what we've seen from Buddy Heald in the past. So, yeah, I think that that's fair to say that he's underrated because he's probably going to be underrated from that logic. He's going to be underrated for the whole year.

Yeah, because, yeah, you have to see it to believe with Buddy Heald because you've been burned so many times. And similar things with Andrew Wiggins. Like, no, that's the, I've talked about it in the past episodes. The biggest reason I was wrong about them is because I've been burned too many times by Andrew Wiggins and by Buddy Heald. so I just had no hope in them and they're both been very good

so you can say either one of them are the most underrated player on the Warriors and I kind of think they're both real and here to say and I think this team is going to be great all year shout out to them

shout out to them man I never I never saw or wanted to accept the Warriors being like a pretty good team at the Western Conference that was none of us came into the season predicting that

we also heard specifically Isaacs heard like all the Warriors fans saying oh my god this is the deepest you've ever been depth depth depth all this and that and it's paying off and it's working and through that depth like there's been there's in specific standoff pieces and the standout piece of that team is buddy healed i think last week i said some something similar to you about buddy hill specifically and seeing him just like yo like can this dude stay on the court like consistently why is his defense not like looking so terrible right now and like you said it's like the team is just camouflaging into him and all his

flaws and they're molding their entire defense around them, which is Steve Kerr's way, by the way. Yeah, he was unplayable in a playoff series six months ago. Like Steve Kerr is coach of the year. For years, I've been seeing Warriors fans be the most fucking entitled babies in the world around Steve Kerr. They hate him for the most superficial reasons. He has flaws. He does. But the strengths of this man and his coaching staff, because it's not just him, it's people around him. Shout out Jerry Stackhouse. Shout out Terry Stotz. The strength of this staff year and year out with cycling associate head coaches that coming throughout the door. They have the best system in the NBA by far. Now,

did last year, they didn't quite have the pieces to fit that system super well. They had some off-the-court issues that made it get muddied up and we forgot. But they are back. Steve Kerr is still Steve Kerr and Buddy Hill is a perfect fit with a coach that knows how to use them just right. I agree. I agree. All right. Shot to the Warriors, man. Next team that I know. So crazy. That I have to talk about are the Denver Nuggets. Now, since the, it felt like the Denver Nuggets had a really shaky, up and down season and all of us had to come to terms with the Nuggets, potentially not being like championship favorites or maybe not even like the second, maybe third best

team in the entire NBA. Since then, like, they still haven't been like elite, but they've been pretty good. Whether it be through, you know, MPJ and his inconsistent struggles or whatever, Russell Westbrook having random 20 point games here and there, there's two things I can say about this. I have two options when it comes to who's underrated on this team. I could say like Christian Braun he's been playing fantastic yeah Brown playing fantastic averaging 16 points per game shooting like 38 or maybe 40%

from the 34 line he's made a genuine leap but fuck that man Nicole Yokic is underrated god damn I don't give a damn go to hell if you think otherwise bro it's Nicola Yolkich I just saw a stat earlier today saying that Nicole Yokic is putting up numbers. Right now, he's averaging more points than Shaq than Shaquille O'Neal has ever averaged in his entire career. Shaquille O'Neal has career high, that's what Nicole Yolkich is at. Tim Duncan's career high and rebounding, that's where Nicole Yolkich is at.

Chris Paul's career high and assists, that's where Nicole Yolkich is at. Across the board, he's surpassing all these all-time greats and he's doing all-time great thing, having an all-time great season. and he's by far in a way the best player in the NBA I haven't seen this type of disparity since like LeBron back in like 2013, 14, 15

that's how big the gap is No, I'll have a better take I'll have a crazier take This is a bigger gap than LeBron ever had LeBron's a better player Let me not make that clear LeBron's a better player

Yeah, it's about the landscape Always was LeBron second and third best players behind him were Kevin Durant and Steph Curry Behind Yokich is Janus and Luca There's a bigger gap there I don't care, especially with how Lucas been playing this year.

I know a lot of people want to crown him second best player in the world. I still think it's Yonis. But Yokic isn't a different fucking strategy for your Luca. Like, I feel so fine saying that. The way that they've been so good, you mentioned Christian Brown, you know, Julian Shrop's playing better, Peyton Watson, playing good. Shout out of the young guys are coming into their own. The biggest thing they did is they stopped playing Dario Sarich,

and they start playing Nicole Yokic 40 minutes at night and saying, go be goddamn Superman. And he has answered that call and more. he's the most aggressive scoring we've ever seen from him still insanely 11 assists a game the the way he's in this late execution in the fourth quarters it's amazing as it always has been despite the bigger load and probably more stamina needed that would make you think maybe he could kind of you know could gas on fourth quarter he hasn't he's handled this just fine like i've seen some people say they need him to be a superman for all a year for them to be good with his roster i think he can do it i think if you're ever going to need somebody to be superman for 82 games It's Nicola Yokish. His ability to handle a whole entire load and take it and really output is insane. He just, he can handle anything. Wow.

Okay. Lord. Where have we gone as a podcast society? No load is too big. Like he can play 40 minutes in playoff game. Like he can do that. He can play for Tibbs. Oh, Tibbs would love.

He'd never leave the floor. He never leave the floor. Yeah. Yeah, I know. I know. It's not even, like, it's crazy just thinking about how big the gap is, bro. It didn't hit me until then. And then you just broadened it like a motherfucker.

Really? Damn. Yeah, there's a real gap. Yeah, it didn't hit me. There's a real serious gap. And the serious gap, let's say, Janus is closer, I think. I think Yonis isn't that far away. But let's say the Luca comparison, because that's what everybody likes to do.

I think more people with this rate think he's the second best player in the world. Well, I think that more people are wrong. I think that Yonis is, yeah, I think Yonis is two right now. Okay, even then. Let's say it's Yonis. I love Yonis. I just tweeted last night. I think he's still number two

and like I have no problem picking him over Luca right now I had some hesitation last year in the playoffs and Luke was going crazy I was like okay maybe you guys got me maybe he deserves to have this title because Janus can't stay healthy

but Janus is better I don't care and with that being said somebody replied to my tweet and said the difference in defense between Janus and Yokic is bigger than the difference in offense

and like sure if we're talking like 2K ratings like maybe his cumulative 2K rating defensively now is like a 95 down from what it used to be like a 99, whereas Yovitch is like an 80, sure. But that, whatever you call it on offense, 10% difference between them is the most important difference you could possibly have in NBA history. To go from a really great, really great score and really good offensive player in Janus, to potentially the best offensive player we've ever fucking seen side by side with LeBron James, that small difference

means everything. To me, that means more than any defensive difference they have, especially with Yonis' defense slowed down a little bit since like 2019 age, the ability to be the perfect decision maker, the perfect efficient score, the perfect passer, amazing off ball, amazing screener, amazing offensive rebounder, he's getting a shit off right now, amazing pick and pop shooter, like that little difference, all those small differences. To be a God in my eyes, that makes a bigger difference in the defense of Yonis. Like, he is so clearly the best player in the world. It's not a conversation whatsoever to me. Yeah. All right. You took the cake. You got it. You got it. We're going to my team.

You are the number one. I love it, bro. You are the number one glazer. And you know what? I'm honestly not glazing enough. I could get crazier. Okay. Oh, okay.

Well, we're going to keep this PG. I'm going to go to the Oklahoma City Thunder. There you go real quick. We're going to talk about Aaron Wiggins because I think that Aaron Wiggins has been fantastic. I think his versatility on defense. He's a really good defender. He's knocking down shots. and the Thunder, like they have a whole bunch of just very, very versatile wings that they

could put alongside Shea and J. Dove. And listen, Isaiah Joe, that's my guy. He's not playing well right now, and that is all I have to say on the matter. Cannot confirm or deny. But in the offseason, Isaiah Joe got the contract extension. Aaron Wiggins both got the contract extension for the low low. Like both of them could have got more money in other places. And we both said whenever they signed the deal, like, that's crazy because these are

instantly two of the best contracts in the league because of how good and how valuable these guys are. And now that the Thunder, now that Chet's gone and you are playing these lineups, like very, very, you know, like these five guard lineups and you need depth and you need versatility, and Wiggins is out there doing exactly what he needs to do to hold down the four. And Shays is doing his thing, right? we're seeing j-dub get get back into his rhythm looort is leudort but those fringe pieces where whether it be you know erin wiggins or case of wallis or alex caruso or isa jill like that

like third wing that third slash fourth wing that's where aaron wiggins lives and he's been doing a fantastic job yeah i'll say uh this guy isn't underrated anymore he's got plenty of hype but defensively i think j-dove is underrated dude the way he's been able to slide into that five with Chet gone is so impressive. This stout motherfucker is defending fives and fours like it's nothing. We talk a lot about

Dort and Caruso being his defensive duo and their crazy hands and like this defensive playmaking from the perimeter that makes them have this legendary defense so far. Jada is just as good

as those guys. Like he is just as active of a defender as Caruso. His hands are ridiculous. That wingspan is insane like he knows how to use it just right that he can play up in position with that strength too.

he's an elite defender and I don't think he's really thought about that way no not at all you see you see j dub and it's like it's scores like you know that he's not like a cone or anything but it's the offense is definitely like the first thing that that you think of

yeah his his high-end skills like are just insane okay they're so good man they're ridiculous get well soon chat when's supposed to come back in like 10 weeks or not or something like that yeah, a long time.

He's been re-evaluated 8 to 10 weeks. It's going to be a long time. It's going to be warm outside by the time he cuts back. Yeah, they're cooked. Okay. Tater might be dead by then.

But Arches is coming back soon, so it'll be fine. That's great. All right. So my next team, the San Antonio Spurs. This is kind of hard. No, I'm not going to pick up.

I'm not going to do. I'm not going to glaze like that, but back to back. Can't do that. Just a little bit of glaze. Keep it healthy. It's hard to think of a super underrated team. Daily glaze.

I always my caloric amount when it comes to glaze. But it's hard to think about an underrated player for this team again because sit here and you look at like Chris Paul's, Chris Paul. Here's Martin's Harris and Barnes. Do your job. Cool. Go home. Wembe is the star player. There's no underrating about him whatsoever.

Devin Fasel just came back. Want to give him a little bit more time. Could look at guys like Kelden Johnson, I guess, and Malachi Bronham will have been like useful players. but I think I might go towards the guy who's not playing right now and just so happens to be hurt and Jeremy so on he, when I last saw him on the court,

being the cutter that he is and making the most out of his limited offensive bag is what's important to me and also more importantly like, you know, his defense is genuinely special and that's what's keeping this team. That's what was keeping this team alive

and they're still chugging along throughout this NBA season. His ability to defend, He's their best perimeter defender And by far in the way It's like not close He is that guy He has the footwork

And also the strength To be able to like Collect an impact Whenever someone's trying to get to the rim He just has the combination of everything And I think it's fair to crown him As the most underrated player Even though he's probably like

The second or third best player On that team so far So yeah And it's mostly because his PR is just like Forever dead After the point guard experiment He's the poster boy For Women Yama's teammate suck

They're like Look at Many Star Oh, Wemby versus Palo Bencaro. Palo has Franz Wagner, Jalen Suggs, Anthony Black, all these dudes. Who does Wembe have? Jeremy Sohan, the blonde dude? That's your big homie?

And then also he had beef with LeBron, so now people just fucking hate that guy to the core. And that's the PR he has. It's like, ugh, that's all he got. But he's good. He's a very good defender. He's got just labeled as a bad prospect because of this dumb PR, Wemby bullshit.

But he's very good. He can pass a little bit as we saw that's why they tried the point guard shit which didn't work but as a secondary passing power forward that's a nice role for him yeah i 110% agree okay i 10010% agree he's he's a he's a he's a toolbox where he has everything in his bag except for shooting hell yeah okay what's your next team monovan uh who we said monovan where'd you guys crazy uh let's talk about the memphis grizzlies and let's talk about scotty pippin junior okay that that's a good pick and let's talk about in the illustrious words of Gino Smith was written off, but he never wrote back.

The Lakers got rid of him. He goes to Memphis, and he's been playing really, really well. And for a team that you already know, hey, we're just going to pencil in our StarGuard being out of the lineup for minimum 20 games. Having Scotty Pippen come in and be able to fill in that role is awesome. He's averaging like 12 and 5 right now. He's shooting the ball really, really well. And I just think that, like, we're just not talking about the Memphis Grizzies like that on a nightly basis.

And we're for sure not talking about, you know, Scottie Pippin Jr. Who, listen, he had a triple double the other day. Like, he's out here doing stuff. And so when you think about having Scotty Pippin Jr. And like Gigi Jackson coming back and all like the rest of the young talent, like that's going to be the version of the Grizzlies that we were like, this team could be at the top of the conference because they have a lot of depth in a lot of these places.

So shout out to Scottie Pippin, Jr. Shout out Scottie Pippin Jr., man. Like, it's such a good story that this summer, Cato Drake has told him, you can compete for this backup point guard spot. If you want it bad enough, it can be yours. He came in, he just earned that shit.

Like, he's been playing so well all the time in the G-Leod, all the development time when Darwin Ham didn't want to give him a shot, as he told everybody, Darwin Ham didn't believe he could defend because he's too small and all this shit. He put that chip on his shoulder and developed, he's so well-rounded too from that position like he's a good he's a really good

playmaker for a backup point guard he i think he can defend just fine i don't think he's a terrible defender he can score he can put the ball in the bucket keep the ball moving he's fast like just a really ideal backup point guard yeah and when we saw the grisley's at their best a couple years ago part of the reason was because you had you had you had job but you also had tithes jones and you also had a backup point guard who can who can keep the who can keep the ship steady and so whenever job was out yeah that team is still 500 that team is still winning games because you have a competition point guard right now he's averaging 12 points per games averaging six assists he's shooting 50% from the field he's shooting 44% from three he's doing he's doing

a lot for this team and so once again like the depth for memphis they just keep finding these guys and they just keep adding them to to their rotation so once we get to december and once we get to january do not be shocked if you see the grisly start making their their run then whenever they get all their guys back and they have you know a really really good bench yeah shout out santi aldama no sultan dama's great bro i would have picked him you should have picked santi el dama look at that i should have had no if it's gris i was i was voted i was i was thinking about it by like like scotty okay my next pick uh let's see the wizards i'm getting all the picks that had the most obvious pick in the world first it was dyson

then it was tarry and now for the wizards is none other than balal kulubali Cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool. That's racist. That was crazy. Ow. You can't really be racist to the French, but you'll find a way. Yeah, man. He's really fucking good.

He's just outright, fantastic. Racist. Party listeners. Tap in. See what I look like. Is Mo racist to the French? So, that's the little homie.

We get. So, come on now. So, you know, he's an interesting player because he was drafted. He's like the most

raw draft prospect possible. The year he got drafted just coming off a season where he played on Wemby's team, retro 92, and he started the year playing for their B team. And then towards the end of the season

before their version of the playoffs, he got elevated and had like six really interesting games playing next. Wemby. That's it. That was his scouting profile, was half a season with the B team in France and a handful of games at Wembe, and he was drafted at Top 10 off of his raw athleticism and tools and hope that we can develop him. And my God, he has developed so insanely well. This guy is obviously a very good defender. He's long as hell. The positional size is ridiculous. Wingspan,

I don't remember what it is, but it's gigantic. And he has the burst. He's a very good defender. That was the reason he was drafted. You build off of that skill set and go from there. now he's just like one of the most unstoppable rim finishers in the league I don't know what the stats are after this wizard's game I haven't checked I pulled up right now before this game he was shooting 91% from the rim for the year oh my god he was like 23 of 25 at the rim like that's not the biggest sample size but it's not nothing like through 10 games he was shooting 90% at the rim he just can't be stopped and he's shooting well he needs to be you we have to slide him up the like

hierarchy of young players because at this rate when you think about how good he is based on how much development time he's had, his age and his tools, he has one of the higher ceilings of any young guard in the league. Easily, easily. And the only reason why I was never... Oh, my bad. Real quick. The rim, the film full percent is dropped.

It's not 91 anymore. It's 90. Damn, bro. Bum. Fucked on my whole vibe, bro. God damn. The only reason why I never believed in Bilal was just because he played on the Wizard. and they have such a bad track record of actually developing guys.

But it looks like, hey, we might actually be in a good situation now. They might actually be, you know, turning the corner. And I'm with you. Like, how high do we want to go with Bilau? I think it's our potential. Because I'm buying, I'm buying stock. And if you, listen, if you know us, you know, we bought stock. And right now, we're insanely up.

We're very, we're very much breaded from all the stock we bought. in players. Yeah. Buy stock in whatever we tell you to if you also want to be bredded. Oh, no, here's the thing. So listen to us when we're buying stock in young players. I'm exceptional with that, I think. I can identify a young player.

Do not buy stocking us when we tell you preseason predictions for teams. That we are horrendous at. So listen to us on some things, not the others. Young stars, we got it. We know who the dogs are in the league. We got that. Record predictions, not so much. But young players, this is our back.

I agree, man. I agree. Also, shout to Jordan Poole. Jordan Poole's playing really well. He got fucking overshadowed by Wemby, but he had 42 points yesterday. And that was a good shooting night, good for him. I don't really care about that.

I've been impressed by his passing. He looks like an actual point guard that's playing within a structure and, like, getting a ball moving and like setting other people up. And I think last year was such a disaster year. The coaching was terrible. Everything was just nonsense.

And he's clearly a player that needs to be within a good structure. He lives and dies, but the coach that coaches him, I think. I 100% agree. I'm happy you mentioned Jordan Poole because I wouldn't, if I had the Wizards, I wouldn't have made him the most underrated player out of this, most underrated player out of this group. But I also show him so much, like, admiration for how much he's grown and the patience and all that that he's had in this new system. I feel like this season for Wizards fans has to be one of the most enjoyable seasons in years since like the John Wall era probably.

Because since then it's been nothing but bleakness and just like not serious basketball or serious anything over there. basketball-wise in Washington, bro. So, yeah. The more of the two and eight. I'm very excited for the Wizards. The rookies are great. They are great, too, bro. Bub?

One of the better rookies. Kishon George. Saar, like, Saar sucks ass as a score, but he's, I like the way he moves, he can defend. I like seeing him run the ball

in transition, so he has some good feel. Hopefully he doesn't always suck asses to score, but I like the other stuff around that. Yeah, exactly, bro. This is easily one of the most enjoyable seasons and years for these guys. and I love to see it.

All right. How many teams we got left? I got two teams left. I have three teams left. All right. Double up. Okay. No, actually, the rest of mine are,

I'm going to speed through all my teams right now. Talk about it. Yeah, but let's all speed through our last team so we can keep moving. The Nets, I have Dennis Schroeder. Like, how could I not pick Dennis Schroeder? Dennis Rutter has been an absolute bucket. He's making the Nets win too many games.

I've always loved this guy when the Lakers had him. I was so mad to let him walk because through that whole, thing. I was like, he's the point guard you need to keep. He is the solid defender, can create penetration, can hit a catch and shoot three. He was the ideal point guard the I think they should have kept over DeAngelo Russell.

He has gone to the Nets and he's been fantastic. He, dude, he's shooting 50% on non-corner threes. And that matches the eye test so well. He's 30 for 60. He shot 60 non-corner threes in 11 games and he's hit 30 of them.

That's not a small sample size. That's a lot of fucking threes. He looks so good along. side Austin Rees and LeBron right now. Don't even tell me those words. It matches the eye test. Every time I watch them, I'm like, how many threes has Dennis Schroeder hit?

And it's always a higher number than I expect. Okay. The dog outside barking. He fucks the Dennis Schroeder too. Chats of the dog. And last few teams I have, the Boston Celtics, one of those teams,

who the fuck is underrated on the Celtics? I don't know. I put Nambia's Keda. Because he's been real big, real effective down low. It's been kind of cool. I guess you can put like Sam Houser or something if you want.

probably still drew holiday but we were so past following him under him ew those are 2017-2018 conversations and we're still having but okay and then my last team to fire off the rest of my list

Charlotte Hornets got Grant Williams he has been playing well I like that another player who's in the toilet their defense is six points better with him on the court and their offense is a hilarious

20 points better with him on the courts he gives him such neatest ability at the power forward position and it's mostly because Miles Brady just fucking sucks. He's terrible and he's been tanking their offense with terrible inefficiency. So you put in this guy who's just going to be normal and be baseline

is made them so much better. They've done some interesting stuff with him at center. Some lineups and there's been some flashes. There's an early season game where they played the rockets and came back against them because he was defending Sangu really well. Now those lineups have terrible defensive ratings but that's because the people around him

are really bad. Oh my bye bye-bye. got that backwards. The ones that center are good defensive ratings. When he's at power forward, they have a terrible defensive rating. And that's because he's playing next to some really bad centers. But once that comes around and they get Mark Williams back, I think it would be a really good piece

that they're probably going to close games with. Okay. When we get Mark Williams back, that seems like something that's like routinely said in Charlotte. I hope you're not one of these fans again. And he's never back, perpetually not there. Okay, I have two more teams left.

One of them in the Sacramento Kings, I have absolutely no idea who's underrated on that team. If I'm being neutral, I might just say, I don't know, Keegan Murray, because I feel like people can easily don't understand how important he is to their infrastructure offensively and defensively. So I might say that. You have a name? Go ahead. It's DeMarter Rosen. I literally wrote him down on my phone because I'm just like, Damar is just like, he just continues to surpass expectations. We weren't like super high on the move, but we didn't hate it. We were like, yeah, they'll be better for the regular season. It'll make them good. It's not going to like, not going to win a championship with it. But like, it makes sense. Some people, I think it was low who was big on Twitter about this, who went viral. He was saying they should bench DeMarer Rosen. They won't make them better at all.

They need to bench him before the season started. That was like a non-small segment of people that thought that. And that was crazy to me. Tomorrow is a very good basketball player. Yeah, benching is crazy. I definitely didn't think DeMont make them better. I picked him to be the eight seed, so I thought they'd be like about the same. And I thought like their offense would be better, which I think is, that's about what it is.

Like he's been their best players so far. and he's been good not to the point where they're going to be like contender but he's been very very good for them yeah I mean it's what you'd expect a best case scenario Damar Doros and subonis and also Deeringer Fox Lake team being

and it's happening right now yeah yeah they're just the Kings but he's been good yeah last team in Sacramento are the Philadelphia 76ers everyone is out everyone is injured and so far they have the best rookie in the NBA and Jared McCain just I think last night friend of the program

and 10 bro he's absolutely feasting and eating he's looking like by far in a way the steal of the draft and he's been the best rookie in the NBA so far because of because the opportunities and finally handled hand to hand to him and even when Tyrese and maxi comes back you cannot just diminish this 20 year old's minutes bro he's doing surprising things things that need to remain on the court on a consistent basis you don't know what nicknors has to do but he has to consistently touch like 25 minutes per game bare minimum even when Tyrese swims back. He's right. He's like

so simple so effective. He shoots the ball well, moves well off ball and you pass as well. Precisely what you need. Play next to Joelle and beat in Paul George. Yeah, exactly. There's no like special spazz or like insane bag to the game at all. It's just like

yeah. It's real simple and it's real effective. It's perfect role player. That's what he was saying the other day in his press conference because somebody asked him like how, you know, how he was trying to be effective playing next to Joel and B. And he was like, yeah, you know, the exact same thing that you say is like, you know, it's real simple, you just pass guy, you just, you know, provide spacing, move around so that, you know, like, clog up anything.

And somebody had quoted in was like, wow, he figured out in 10 games how to play with Joel and B would, like, nobody could do in like five years. And like his, his ability also to just, I'm going to just simplify right now. He's a dog. He goes into, he, he. He has, like, the confidence that he plays with is so apparent. And there's so many spots that he gets to that are just, like, him making, making the decision. I'm going to get to this spot.

I'm going to rise up. I'm going to take the shot. Like, there's been a lot of moments in these, like, late game situations where for a lot of 20-year-old rookies, and granted, not every rookie has these opportunities, but for him to be taking some of the shots that he is taking in the situation that he's taking him, like, you know, fourth quarter, much games, all that, and he's not scared at all. Like, that's, that's awesome to see. Yeah.

Shout out, Jared McCain. Yeah, exactly. Can you getting back on the show again? Facts. Yo, if anybody's listening right now, go ahead and DM Jerry McCain. TD3 wants you back. Let it fizzle out. All right.

What are your teams left, Donovan? Last two teams. The Orlando Magic. We just, until the season is over, we just need to give Jalen Suggs all the flowers we can. he's just fantastic and I like I know that nobody's there and now might be the time where we're like oh yeah like you know he's stepping up he's doing well he's still a defensive demon he still gets you know makes every every player that he plays their night is just over the moment jalen sucks the size that it's going to be over his shooting is is fantastic he's

taking leaps like he is a legitimate building block for the magic and their foundation and he's a part of the reason why they've actually been able to you know stay somewhere solid without palo and he's he's just been awesome so yeah so jalen suz is still one of the most underrated players in the entire league yeah shout out shout out franz wagner who's been playing really well since palo went out and then i love jalen suck so much i'm telling you if i could have any role player in the league on my team on the lakers it would be jalen sugs he's he's precisely what my team needs he's like that and my last my last team the new york nix i said last year um i told this Oh, that OG and Ninobe is the most important African man in my life.

And you still don't stand by that. You need me. I'm telling you right now, OG right now is saving my life. He is amazing. All right. Is there miracles on you? Bro, the defense that he has provided this year. He's the miracles on me.

Has been awesome. His shooting has been, has been great. And especially because, Coming into the season, you thought that the next were going to have, like, two elite, elite, wing defenders. They have one elite elite, elite wing defender, and that's OJN and OB. McKell Bridges has not been that. And a lot of times, O.G. is picking up for not only Jalen Brunson and Carl Anthony Towns, but also McHell Bridges. And he is carrying the defense right now, whatever exists of it.

But OG has been, has been awesome, and it's been like that this year, and it's even been like that last year. whenever they had him. He's consistently at the top of the league in plus minus and on off stats because he is that impactful to what the next do. Yeah, I think first team all defense right now is like Dyson Daniels,

Draymond, Wiggins, Mobley, O.G. and I knowby. Draymond and Wiggins, okay. Take off Wiggins put on Wemby. Wiggins second team. But like, what the point is, OG needs to be on there. OG is a crazy carry job right now.

Yes. I agree. I agree. Is that all of our teams? Yeah, that's all my teams. I think that's actually 30. Wow, nobody forgot one. I bet Mo did, but we're just going to ride with it.

Yeah, man. Y'all guess who I forgot. What time was it, Mo? Crown leaders rejoice. It is time to march together and defeat this TikTok time. Who? Who, who, who, who, who. That was a crazy series of noises.

Nevertheless, let's go on to TikTok time. Let's roll. well I smell like ass right now I need some Tijuana keep that in keep it in yeah keep it in

dude I I reek right now holy shit fucking musty welcome to TikTok time you know this has been a

long awaited section on the podcast for many weeks now since mid-September actually whenever the NBA city jerseys for this year leaked And as soon as they leaked

Everybody came to us I was like Are you guys gonna react to them I need to see you grade them Yada yada yada yada you got blah blah blah Because every year we do it right I wanted to give you guys What you wanted

For the past month and a half But when they leaked They leaked with no numbers in the front So it was like half a jersey And we figured We might as well wait until they actually release Yeah Luckily today this morning

They actually dropped all them at once So we are finally here to rate The 2024, 2025 NBA city jerseys Here we go Exactly you this listen don't think we're not giving you some ratings off the back of the truck no we're not we're not doing that we're not doing that we're gonna actually wait till we get the full jerseys and i've been waiting i've been i've been thinking all day about these jerseys let's get into

i still have no idea what some of these look like so this is a raw reaction bro and this year instead of rating them we're going to make it mixed up a little bit okay grade though a letter grade Okay, let's do it. Adam Sylvan, you are welcome. So we're not doing all 30 right now because that's a lot of jerseys. We're going to do the Western Conference this week and Eastern Conference next week, split up in two episodes. But yeah, right now, we are going to rate the 2024, 20, 20, not right, actually, I said it wrong. We're going to grade the 2024, 2025 NBA City jerseys. Let's do it.

Let's jump straight into it. First off, we got the Los Angeles Lakers. Boom! Boom! Boom! Boom! Shut up, shut up, shut up, stop, shut up. No, not only is the gradient bat.

The Lake Show, this, this is a T-Moo jersey. Yeah. I hate this. I hate this. I'm not going to lie. How dare. Stop it. F.

I hate, one, you know I hate gradient. Yes. I could get past the gradient. But Lake Show is just as corny as when heat did heat culture. You don't need to put that on the jersey. This isn't a target jersey you get at a random city in Los Angeles. This isn't some knockoff bullshit. We don't need to play into it so much and we put the slogan on the jersey.

F. hate this. How dare you besmirch the name of one of the most iconic franchises in NBA history with Lake Show, with this kind of jersey. I'm giving it enough. I don't like this. It might look decent on court. The colors are striking and bright, yada, yada, but I hate it nonetheless. Now, I will say, Lake Show sounds great before our basketball team doesn't sound great. The branding of it, like, if I was, if I was like a boat owner or I was like renting out like yachts and stuff like that Lake Show

I need this brand this advertising attach it to that company right there this is fantastic I like the lake show that's what the Lakers are you just don't gotta put it

on the jersey it's just corny yeah very cool like one of the Warriors that says strength and numbers like you just don't need to do that

it's embarrassing kind of no I say alright bro we get it y'all y'all are the it team and the NBA leave us alone never go full heat culture I think I'll give this

a B though I like purple you're out of your mind well with that being said this is the worst one they're actually kind of decent so this is this the worst one on the whole list nah you're sure you're crazy for the western conference this is the worst one I'm telling you

let's go I should never mind never mind I take that back yeah for sure close second one we have the Minnesota Timberwolves oh the ore is bleeding from this photo right here bro oh my god this is hard

I agree this is hard I'm all in I don't I don't think I like this one last year when it was in blue but the ice it looks very icy and it's it's doing what it needs to do yeah i'm giving this a make you feel some type of world the dilling animal war plus the jersey word so the ice is icing i'm giving in the name real ds2 vibes for the second year in a row i liked it last year i still like it i'll give it an a you said real what what vibes ds2 dirty sprite too of course uh i just had to spread the word for the noers out there

For the non-nors? Yeah, for the non-nors out there. But no, it's a great motif. I like when teens have a good jersey and they give you a slight variation of it. Sometimes it goes poorly, but this time it works. This is hard across all fonts, bro.

I love it. This is an A. And Anthony Edwards wears it, so, yeah. Extra point. Hey, I mean, anything he wears fire, so. It's not really a bar to. Not really a body. You want to be like aunt?

Relax. That's crazy. Next up, we got the Oklahoma City Thunder. What superheroes wearing this? We're going to save the day. Ugly ass. Get away from me. He's kind of looks like a costume from the board.

Oh gosh. This does look like a PBS superhero jersey. Yeah. I'm not with it. I don't hate it. I mean, the black is cool. I like the yellow with the black. I don't love the whole design on the side panels.

But it doesn't kill it for me. I'll give it like a C plus. It's not bad. I want to. like it. It feels like this should be a soccer jersey and not a basketball jersey. You know what works? The branding the loves works with it. It doesn't take

away like it can sometimes. That gives it some points and keeps it afloat for me. That's true. But that yellow and red combined with the navy blue and whatever blue that is, it's just too much. It's too much inconsistencies with this jersey. It's doing a lot,

but the core of it's good enough. It's not terrible. I'll go B plus. okay generous I guess all right next up we got the Houston Rockets H-town and gigantic ass letters damn

barnhouse wives what the hell we get it bro shit H-town this is almost really cool but it's so big oh my gosh I see the vision

I see what they wanted to do and it's a good idea bad execution yeah like the design elements work the colors look good the text is kind of cool but i don't know i just i don't like what these are too on the nose just like h town like it's so it's so corny i think yeah yeah i'm not i'm not i'm not with this not with this i'll give this about a c c minus i might give this a d to be

honest it could have been i think if the jersey replaced the white with the red and have htown be white it'll it wouldn't be so loud in our faces so yeah i go d i don't i really don't like it Also, what is this, what is this, what is this picture? Because if Fred Van Bleet was, like, looking up and was like, you know, like, like, like, mewing at the camera, this could be an Instagram ad for, for, for, for, oh, my gosh, if he was mewing at the camera, that's what that's what that's, that's what that's, that's what this, that's, that's what this, that's, it's definitely deep fry. Why is something so saturated? I, yes, some, something's going down at camp. This is a D. Something's going down at camp. I know it. Fred Bede. Next up, we're at the Portland Trailblazers. This is great.

No, they got this pasty white boys looking oralist. No, it's cool. It's great. What you mean? How's it bad? I don't know. They got these little half-tone dots in the background. It's fine, I guess.

The picture looks bad. The jersey's cool. The jersey, not bad. Not my boy cleaning, though. What? He's flexing on him? What you mean? Don't come into paint.

Are you telling me, dumb, you would try a layup attempt on this guy right here with this jersey on? I dunk on him in reverse. Kling Kong He's disrespecting you This is a very safe jersey It's not a lot going on

Simple, cool, fine B Yes, it's solid I agree I agree And that's all you could ask for With city jerseys When so many teams do something

So disastrous Yeah, the Blazers do have a very high floor Especially with the colors Like listen black white and red That's hard to mess up Yeah You have a cool little pattern on it I'm sure it means something

For their city They always have a nice little themes for their jerseys Like before they did the airport floor or stuff like that So Portlandians whatever it is I'm sure it's cool to you Shout out to Portland Driving economy Shout out to

Next up we've got the Memphis Grizzlies Hard Hard hard This is an all-time city jersey This is a classic immediately Before I've seen it a single time on the court This is an A plus I need to see

Duke Deuce in this jersey in a music video. Who? You're no Duke Deuce. I thought you said Duke Dennis. I'm like, what are you talking about right now? You fucking cry. I'm going to say, God, man.

That's my life I'm right. This is so hard. The font is just so good. I can wear this on a T-shirt. Understand. Crunk, Crunk ain't dead. Crunk ain't dead. And this Memphis jersey is keeping it alive.

I love this. Man, I would hit, bro. I would hit a mean cat daddy with this jersey on, bro. Just. Cat-daddy. Cat-T-T-T-T-T-A. Cat daddy, cat, oh my gosh. Getting crunk on a Tuesday with this jersey on?

Sign me up, brother. No, this is great. Memphis always has good jerseys. They're reliably great. Yeah, no. A plus for me. We're starting out strong. This is a lot better than most of you so far.

Okay. Okay. Next team. We got the Clippers. Okay. Once again, you have failed. I thought I liked this in the rebrand. I thought I liked it in the rebrand whenever they showed us all the jerseys.

I don't like it right now What? It's a cool color I like the bright blue The whole clips thing Kind of grew on me It does still kind of look like a barbershop But I like it

It's clean I agree It's solid It's not special This is a barbershop jersey Yeah still is And you know what Two years in a row

But it's a cool barbershop Exactly I would get my hair cut Over here Over here at this barbershop Yeah it's a barbershop You don't take the family to Barbershop with aura

No stupid NBA ball talk Just straight cuts bro Yeah, the barbers have good takes Which actually might mean it's a terrible barber It's kind of a bad man Yeah, maybe you're right This is the barber This is the barbers shop from the movie

With him I mean my barber's with the stupidest NBA takes imaginable I need them to show me dumb-ass Instagram really No, you're in line Shout to a while barber From Elena man, I miss him

He said shut up on barber He was dumb Nah, no disrespect No disrespect No disrespect You don't disrespect Barbers are out here. My God.

All right. How could you? All right, next up. Ooh, the Phoenix Suns. This is terrible. I like the jersey. Why is the, the word, literally the word, the, the, why is it so high on the neck? Yeah.

It doesn't bother me. It's raining A pluses for me. This is another one. This is incredible. This is top three for me for the whole year. This would be hard as a shirt, but not as a jersey. It's. You're insane.

It's even harder as a jersey. This is some 90s vibes, getting the pop bar. adding some character into it. I love the star behind the number. I love how things are not super, things are like asymmetrically placed. The other numbers to the side. This has character.

Again, it's just that one word. It looks like he's choking, Kevin. Yeah, and I don't like that. I don't like that for him. I would like for him to be able to breathe it. I know, I know that that's impossible, but it looks, that's what it looks like right now. Maybe he just doesn't look.

That, yeah. A minus. Yeah, I could be a plus. Okay, I'll take an A minus for. a small technicality. Yes. Maybe it just doesn't never let it

on Katie. You're choking to have like a broad like broad shoulders or whatever. Put this shit on like Bradley Beal or something like that maybe I might take it on mine.

You just think Bradley Beal is harder than Kevin Durant. Oop. I'm just kidding. Okay. Next one. The Dallas Mavericks. This is normal.

Bro, right is also tough. This is another A. I'm not going to lie. This is hard. I like this a lot. The silver. over and the white always goes together.

I'm sorry, this is an A. You can't go wrong. I don't make the rules. Nah, you got it. Mavs fans love the black version last year. It's an instant classic for them, and now we get them the opposite, the white-hot rendition.

It's perfect. Hard. I told you guys, you guys know how I feel about the city of Dallas. I'm not rocking with it. C-plus. What? Because you hate Dallas?

Oh, yeah. You know where I'm from. Okay. Well. I don't I can't I can't respect Dallas a lot I can't do it all right well well not you talk like you bang it's all you know I'm from I can respect it that is that is not but I was grown up to but I that is that is not me I do not associate with that but I was raised to hate Dallas okay so I'm giving this a C plus we got to New Orleans Pelicans this is hard this is hard I like this bad. It's fine. It's a little goofy, but it's not terrible. I think if they only wore this yeah, if they only wore this on Halloween, I think I would like that. But for every other, for every other day of the year, I'm not, not too much of a fan of it. Yeah. I mean, I see what they're going

for. I like it more than lashes, I think, but just having bones on a jersey, like it's cute, I guess, but it isn't, it's not my style. It's like cute. You don't understand New Orleans culture. That's It's what it is. You're from New Orleans. I love this shit. I'm not. We're south. Close enough.

They over there down the street. Who's that? This goes real good with a pot of gumbo. Not something I'm partaking in. I'll give it a C. No, I don't rock a gumbo. You can keep that. I'll give this a C.

I'll give this a B actually. It's really good. Wait, did you disrespect gumbo? Do you like gumbo? It's elite. What are we talking about? Let's trade him, Isaac. Let's trade this guy.

I will trade Donovan I don't have to pay you know how long I've been waiting for this opportunity Oh my God I will trade Donovan for new Wi-Fi and a new Oh my God You just want to get that off So bad I was trying to extend this New Orleans second

So long I love that line I love that line so much Where I play NCAA with LSU Every time I score a touchdown Oh, I'm about to make a name for myself here. Every time. Every time.

All right, man, that's a C. We got the Sacramento Kings. It's cool. It's real. It's not bad. A long-gated, basic. It's fine. It's solid.

It's not bad. That is a long one. Yeah. It looks like a Kansas jersey. The Texas is very tall. It's all right, I guess. I think it's a throwback to the Royals. Cool.

Shout out the Sacramento Heritage. Solid C. Cincinnati. Solid C. hate on it. It's fine. You haven't seen terrible ones yet. We saw the Lakers. Come on, man. But I think most people are going to think it's cool. I think we're going to be the minority hating on it. You too. I'll be that. I don't care. I don't care. I'll be that every day

the fucking week of these jerseys. We've got the Denver Nuggets. This might be the worst one I've ever seen in my life. This jersey sucks. This is almost great. If you took away the stupid ass second year in a row of 50 280 and doing double numbers, if that just said like DEN, this would be so tough. The top of graphic colors is awesome. Yeah, I love the, the colors on the side. I love the weatherman type shit or whatever that is. But 5280 is irredeemably ass. It can never work in any circumstance. You get an automatic F for putting double numbers no matter what it looks like around that. Thank you. We have rules. We are a society, right? We have laws. You can't put double numbers on a jersey and think

I'm going to like it. That's not how we operate. exactly and i'm like disrespected you saw me hate it last year and you gave it to me again what's wrong with you exactly someone find us who do you think you are i gotta find it linked in giving some words and to think that yokech's next MVP is going to be in war in these jerseys oh my god i don't wish no more success this is going to be history fourth MVP oh double numbers this is this is adam silver's NBA an f it's not a mean f but it's an f no it's a mean F. It's a meanest F ever had in my life. Really? It's double numbers, man. That's potential though. They improve the sides of the jersey. They're not changing those double numbers. They

fucking love it. Come on, man. Next one. Next one. The Utah Jazz. Flying colors, A. Flying colors. You can't go wrong. You can't go wrong going back to the mountains and the perfect color scheme. This is an A. This is the most. If they didn't have nasty man and dumb man as their two franchise guys. I would wear throwback jerseys all the time for the Utah jazz. Facts.

Hey, just think about Andre Carolinko. Okay. Listen, I'm going to have to get to Darren Williams jersey. I'm going to have to get Andreessen. Now we can rock with Utah's branding.

When I pop out with the Carlos Booza jersey, don't say anything. I might need a tune with you. Get the baldy to match. Shine it. This is a. Paint on the beer.

Next team The Golden State Warriors This looks like okay sees Someone was swagger jacking I usually love it wrong too Every year they're really good I do not love this one This looks like a cereal brand

Notice this looks like This looks like a chicken place Ew This looks like someone you're bit to Yeah this looks like What's it called? This looks like church's chicken Who the fuck wants a church's chicken jersey

They've been they've been failing for the last couple years on their on their city jerseys I don't like this I don't so has church's chicken bro have you seen their statistic when it comes to sales Church's chicken I haven't fall off is crazy Yeah they don't appear these days anymore for real They still selling the honey biscuits I think they are I think they added like strawberry biscuits too

That's all I need them for That's all I don't need them for the chicken I just need the Real eater But honestly I don't like anything about this I don't like that chunky ass text I don't like the format around the 30 I don't like the colors

It's a miss for me It's a F for sure Looks like I go D F F is not F is for the disrespectful ones Like double numbers This is a D for just kind of being mid D for dumb for me

The last but not least We got the San Antonio Spurs I like that I like that I loved it last year in the jersey was white now they came back and just like

it looks like they just wash it with some jeans by accident and gave us a slightly blue version that's just a worst version of last year's guess what

some some mistakes are actually innovative and that if they accidentally wash it with jeans and chase the color I'm not mad at it

because they gave us this I like this a lot I think it's fine I like the drop shadow I like the colors on it it's an A for me straight A I fuck with it

I fuck with it I said I think about Wembe jersey in this so that's that's right okay well give this a day overall that was very positive for the Western Conference

they have way more good than bad we'll see next to get the Eastern Conference and keep up this way man let me find out the East is this terrible at basketball

overall and also terrible when it comes to designing jerseys nothing good coming out of that conference though except for Dyson Daniels except for Dyson

Yeah, it's the only positive thing. Next thing we're going to do, we're going to do our draft for the week. This is going to be a draft where we can only draft players that were drafted in the 2019 NBA draft class. So the 2019 NBA draft draft draft. Okay.

So you guys know how it works? Only stipulation to be drafted. No one drafted players strictly somebody taken in the first 60 picks of the 2019 draft. The draft order is me, Donovan, Moe. Damn it.

And this easiest number one pick of all time, give me John Moran at point guard. Okay. That's fair. That's fair. I'm done believing his eye on. Well, you know what?

You and me both. Give me Darius Garland at my point out of point out. Oh my gosh. That's crazy. You just jacked this up for me. Wow. Wow. Wow, wow. You pick Dair's Garland over Zion. Okay.

I can't live like this. He's already taking my fantasy team. I can't do it. Okay. Okay. Yeah, Mo gets Zion is a third pick. Interesting. You thought. I'm just kidding. Yeah. Give me Zon Williamson. Okay. You have to. Yeah. At this point, I have to. You can't give Donovan Zion and Garland. Yeah. So I need to have Zon Williamson at my four. Deep into this class of disasters also. I'm just realizing that. So give me Zonner.

eye on. And then out of necessity, I need a big. Give me Nick Claxton who can play defense along. That's a good pick. Damn. I was my next pick. Woo. Welcome to Georgia. Bring him back home. Damn. You know what? I also need a big. So out of necessity also, give me Brandon Clark. Ooh. Who platter? Oh my God. You can have them. Senator Brandon Clark. Okay Give me RJ Barrett At my small Ford Nice

Figured Had a great year Been a bucket And then We don't want to go next This is a tough one Ah Hmm

Okay Am I four Give me Cam Johnson Okay That's a very very good pick Solid I got spacing around jaw early Okay

Very solid This is this is an interesting draft class there's a lot of good interesting parts yeah use a lot of youth slim vehicleers

let's see it's a pivotal pick you can either sell it or win it here it is it is a pivotal pick at my two

listen we're just gonna go straight buckets give me a guy who's having a career year I want Tyler Hero at my two go

oh that's the smallest back court of all time we're attacking you we're picking rolling you guys to death I don't care damn jaw is feasting

you got a 6-9 center and two small guards you can't you can't guard job we are going to run and run and run and win 41 games exactly okay well while you have run while you're busy over there just running around at my point guard go ahead and give me someone who's solid consistent and stable oh damn who's better between these two players i don't know genuinely you know what screw that i'm not going to prioritize this yet for at my three Give me D'Andre Hunter. Solid, dude.

He's spaced the far out for me. Okay, defender. He's not a liability whatsoever. Hunter's good for them. Very okay pick. Yeah. Just thumbs up. Cool guy.

Ah, okay. Now I really need some talented guards. Need a really talented guard. Go ahead and take the guy. You know what? Go ahead and give me Kobe White. I love his size. There we go.

Put him at the two. Oh, is it two? Okay. Nice. Your team is shaving up to be very, very okay. Yeah. At my four, I would like PJ Washington. That's a good pick.

Solid shooter. Now to round it out, at my center, give me a lob threat, give me a down low finisher, give me Daniel Gafford. Okay. I forget he was one of this draft class. Damn.

Yep. And on my two, oof I need a strong defender Give me to kill Oh you stole my pick Damn it Yeah

Ah you saw my pick I prioritize buckets Damn it Okay I need someone to play The defense That John Moran is not going to do And in that same vein

I need a defender At the three Don't really care What the offense looks like We have enough of that Blah Blah Put Matisse Thibel At the three

Matisse Tybal Yeah I haven't seen him playing forever he has a home in my franchise shout on Matisse shout out those bubble vlogs we'll never forget he played an important

part in society if you ask me okay so I'm going to do now he can't it feels wrong to have this guy undrafted so wrong having a great season so far this year too and my point guard give me Jordan Poole

oh your team is so okay Listen, man Yeah, I'm attacking I'm attacking You're attacking I'm attacking There's exactly one good defensive guard

On this roster On all six All three of our team There's one good Defensive guard here Yeah, I got Nick Classen He's gonna be fighting For his life

I got Nick Classen And Kobe Wetz Okay too So my team's Yeah So for audio listeners I have John Morant Nikiel Alexander Walker

RJ Barrett Cam Johnson And Daniel Gafford And I have I'm throwing lops in. That would be nice. And I have Darius Garland, Tyler Hero, Matisse Thibel, P.J. Washington, Brandon Clark. Is it a 2v5 offense?

Yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah, your team is kind of ass. We will have, it's very fun to me. You will be okay. Okay. So I got Jordan Poole at my one, Kobe White at my two, John J. Hunter showing up in my three, Zahn at the four, and Nick Claxon at my five.

I got a pretty good Very good Yeah, none of these teams are that good Not these teams are very good No, keep that to yourself buddy Jordan Poole's looking You're your guys in the eyes He's making his resurgence season

He's looking John Moran in the ankles To I got no comeback The end of the draft The next thing we're going to do We're going to play a final little game I'm going to show you guys Four NBA players

You guys have to tell me which one doesn't belong so they all have something in common but there's one odd man out so you gotta figure out what they all have in common and which one is the odd one okay let's do it every time I do something like this

you guys are generationally ass so we'll see if this one stays in the episode sometimes that to cut it because you guys cannot do this let's see what you cooked up sometimes sometimes I get the right answer but it's not your right answer and then you say it

and then you say that I got it wrong yeah and it's gonna happen every time because that's the point you're gonna look and find the wrong category that we're not looking for but I'm right you can do that every single time but I'm right

I just try to speak my truth and you don't let me Who does not belong for all your listeners is Kevin Durant Russell Westbrook James Hardin and Shay Gildas Alexander Well easily off rip

We can we can already know that shade doesn't belong here Because the other three are MVPs of the league and she does not have that yet So I'm not the category We're looking for it You see what I'm saying

You see what I'm saying off rip this is exactly what i'm talking about i am correct she doesn't have an MVP the other three do i'm not wrong that's how the game works it's purposely misleading welcome to game one-on-one okay no you're lying okay i've said my guess and i got it right mo oh my god this is why you're exploring is bro. Carry as homo. All right. So they all been okay.

See, they all wore a Thunder uniform. Correct. You're right, Donovan. All of them have been MVP except for Shea, but that doesn't fit the case here.

The only thing in my mind that might not belong, they've all been all NBA. Katie was drafted there. I would say this one is very easy. He was drafted there. Hardin was drafted there too. Huh

They were all They were all Drafted by O KC Except for Shets Yeah That's the one There you go That's the category

We're looking for Only Shagelis Alexander Was not drafted by the Thunder There we go Wasn't that bad Donovan That wasn't that bad Look at that

Look at how you try You don't cry Wonderful things happen What do you mean Try and don't cry I got it right Immediately Next one

Who does not belong What am the Jeremy Lynn The hell We got Jeremy Lynn Jimmy Butler James Harden and Danny Green Okay Danny Green doesn't belong

Because the other three have One braids And I don't think Danny Green has I forgot Jeremy Lynn was braided up Like ASAP Rocky Once again I got the category Let's see

What are we doing? What are we doing here? You honestly not that far off though Huh? You're not that far off. far off, though. Oh, so it has to do with their looks, I guess. They've all, wait. They've all had mohawks except for Jimmy Butler. There you go. They've all been Mohawk, men. We're bad, Donovan. Let's go. Hold it with me, brother. Let's go.

Listen, once Jimmy Butler signs the next contract, he's coming immediately with a Mohawk. I'm calling it now. There we go. Next one. Who does not belong? We got Luca Donchich, Nicole Yokic Mark Nassol and Bogdan Bogdan There are all these euros on my screen right now I love it I'm glad you threw in that you love it You didn't go full

Yeah Okay Well listen he stopped paying on on On Yokic He was forced He loves Yokin now Okay Who are we going with

Where is this category So what are the commonality That's the easiest way to like Think about this Donovan What are like some of the commonalities that you see in all of them. Oh, I think they all speak the, wait, I think they all read until they speak the same language

except for Marcosol, because he's like Spanish. That's wrong, but you're very, very warm. Can you stay on that thought process? Oh, they're all Serbian or no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You're very, very warm. Stay in that thought process. Go ahead. Markosol's the odd man out for sure.

I know that, Donovan. Okay. It's something about why. tell me tell me about the tell me about the geopolitics of marcosol and why he doesn't belong here you see marcos oh you're so close god it's all the different by the tongue right now okay

um any guesses donovan the other ones are eastern European and margis off from Spain you're along the right lines you're getting close a little more niche okay it might be a little too niche oh their countries end with the with the iya

like Slovenia you're like you're almost right but you don't know why you're right we got it right we got it right we got it right we got it right just give us pass Marc Gasol is the only one that's not from a country that formerly comprised Yugoslavia right yeah there we go there we go there we go there we're going to exactly he's the spaniard that the group yeah it was like you guys are right but you're not going to about it that way. So I'll give it to you. You can't go too niche girls. We're never going to be in the same job of mind. Do you know how long it's been since I've heard the term Yugoslavia? Yeah. I don't think about Yugoslavia on a quarterly basis. Yeah. You're insane for that.

What the hell? I don't know that I've ever thought about Yugoslavia. Until today. I'm sure there was like, I know we spent like a week on it in like world history or something like that. haven't thought of it since shout out Yugoslavia man or don't I don't know next up you got Kevin Durant

Steph Curry Paul George and Danny Green again they all got a ring except for Paul George ha ha is that it I think that's it

oh shit can it be as simple oh man that'd be hilarious okay they've all made the finals except for Paul George ha ha

no it's not damn Do you might be right I think Paul George is the odd man out here He might be the odd man Have they all Did Danny Green ever play for the Warriors Like in his young days?

No he never played for the Warriors No Never played for the Warriors What are the commonalities with these guys? The other three are actually good three-point shooters and Paul George isn't Oh my God Oh my God

My God is Paul George He's the odd one out I know it too. You wanted to be him? Okay, so if, okay, hold on. Now I'm actually puzzled. I'm actually puzzled. Yeah, I'm not sure.

I have no rule hints just yet. Steph Curry is an odd man out. The other three have podcasts. Ah. I forgot Danny Green has a podcast. Yeah, he does. Kevin Rand retired for the podcast game, but he used to have one. Yeah.

Yeah. Okay, so if you're retired, do you still have one? Yeah. if he's still making money from it then you're still like you own that fine they have all been on a podcast at some point there you okay

next one we got Kendrick Perkins Kevin Garnett Dwayne Wade and Jordan Clarkson what the hell is Jordan Clarkson Kendrick Perkins doing alongside KG and D Wade there are two polar bears

in Arlington Texas my brain is scrambling right now okay common alley calling out okay KG is a champion D-Wade is a champion in the finals of the B. All of them

All of them have been teammates of LeBron James except for Kevin Garnett Almost, almost, you're so close See, this is why I'm upset This is three times today Oh Okay

You're so close, keep going, keep digging So teammates of someone, Donovan Is the teammates of Rajah Rondo? No, no, now you're colder. Keep digging. Of Rondo, Paul Pierce. No, go back and then keep digging some more. Okay, so they've all been teammates of...

Ray Allen? Go back and then keep digging some more. Of LeBron? They've all been LeBron teammates. And keep digging some more. What are we? we digging for the bugger

the truth the booker god oh my god oh my god you'll lose Kevin garnet is the odd man out

the other three were all teammates of LeBron in 2018 oh man they were all in 2018 can we go to the next game

can we go to the next game can we go to the next game because I got it yeah they were all on one specific Cavs team okay I got it

in one calendar season I never want to play this game Okay, that makes sense Next up We got Jaron Jackson Christops Porzingis Amen Thompson and Anthony Davis Okay

Why is the men here What is the men doing here? This dude is like 20, 21 years old He has no business here What has he done in his NBA career That one of these guys Like potentially All right, settle down

We respect the men No shout out to him in it's an accomplishment being alongside these guys already I guess I guess all of them were the fourth overall pick except for Anthony Davis there you go you right away got it this is the easier one okay good job look at you pick your head up Tim you got this

what do first of all my head is already up because I've gotten everything the one of them right about twice you just fundamentally misunderstand why the game is hard okay Next one Draymond Green Ron Artaest

Julius Randall and Gary Payton Julius Randall is the polar bear because he's never been in a fight before I was going to say I'm sure about that Has he been in the fight Probably was he in the B.I fight? No

No he was gone Yeah he's been gone What year was the BIA fight? That was 2018 crazy 2019 it was the first year LeBron got there He's, oh, well, okay, well, the other three have been defensive players of the year and Julius Randall has. That's not what we're looking for. Oh, they had, Julius Reynolds never made a defensive.

I mean, sure, it's correct, but it's not the point. Okay. Okay, thank you. Oh, my God. And there's my one. Okay, Julius Randall's never made an all defensive team before. He's a polar bearer. That's not, we're not looking for anything related to defense.

Okay. No punching, no defending players. Cool. It's not about punching either. Hmm. played let's see see this is this is tough right here like I do I it's other than like defense when it comes to the commonalities for these guys it's hard to think of like what yeah if you put yeah if you put Gary Payton in there I'm immediately thinking like I has to do

something with defense and if it's not then hey I lost yeah we lost and look at that you guys lost draymond green's odd man out he is the only one who is never a teammate of Kobe Bryant okay okay that was good solid that was good went out with an L thankfully for Donovan's sake this is the end of the segment

so no more tears need to be shed it's just ridiculous how you can win like I got you know I did want to be done oh my God the next thing we're going to do

we're going to put the best stars of the 2000s into a tier list it's a big tier list Wow, okay. We got 20 NBA stars in the 2000s, the tier list. All right, let's rattle this shit off. The biggest tier list you've ever done,

but I feel like we just, so many guys that it couldn't leave off. Let's raddle this shit off. Who's going in F? Hopefully nobody. All right, well, let's start off simple. Kobe Bryant. S.

S tier. One, two chips. Okay, real easy. And obviously, Shaq, also S tier? Yes. Keep on the other, we need a gauge. We need a gauge the whole decade. So what they did from 2000?

to 2010. It's really like four years. It's four years of peak shack. But 2006 got another chip, though, so you can give them six quality years to some degree. It's S. It's S. We're talking too much. Yeah, yeah, it's peak was ridiculous

at SBS tier. But keep in mind, it's only what they did in that specific decade and you've got to count the whole year in the whole decade. Alan Iverson. Should it be A or B? He has the MVP,

and the finals were in the decade, which is a lot of these guys don't have that. A lot. But the second half of the decade was, no, quite the fall off. It might be B. Really?

He's got an MVP, though. Don't, don't you dare say C for Alan Iverson. No, it's not C. It's either A or B. It's A if we're being generous

and B if we're having a strict critic. Yeah, I think it's B. I think it's B. Because there's like five years or it's just like, who's this guy AI? Like, happening with them.

And there's a lot of MVP on this list. Yeah, I think it should be B. MVP of the league and B? Yes. That's one year

you're telling you about. But it was only one MVP quality year too. It wasn't like a five-year run of MVP quality years. It's a terrible precedent to set,

but okay, we'll put him in B. We can go back to him. Kevin Garnett. See, he's better than Alan Iverson. He's, I think he's easily A.

And you got a chip in the decade, that's the perfect A tier to me. I'll go A. I'll go A2. And that's why you put it on Iverson A B. You see, we gotta make some tough decisions. I hate buckets, man. It just bothers me. Just devalue buckets.

It's just crazy. Okay. Chris Paul. B tier, C tier? Not C. Probably C. He doesn't really have a big compliment. Oh, well, it is, it is the 2000. What does he have?

No, you're right. He doesn't have shit. It's only $2.000. too. A beard growing. He doesn't even have the long, yet, the longevity wasn't

there yet. So, yeah, you can put it in C. Yes, if it's strictly 2000s, he had some feisty good years and he was young,

but nothing really happened. But he was going to see too. But he was amazing, so we can't go D tier. Tracy McGrady. D. Stop it. I feel like he might have to be

in the same place as Chris Paul. That's what I'm thinking. Because he does have, like he has, scoring titles, which is more than what Chris Ball has in his span. What Chris Paul is a cis title? That matters to you? Again, we know his

crazy. Fine, we put him in C. We'll put him in C. I mean, again, never got out of the first round irrelevant for the second half of the decade. Can't be hired in C, right? See. No, but let's put him in C. Okay, that's fair. We got a value peak very highly in this. Because they're all great players. So if you have a Pete,

his peak was crazy high. But TeamXP isn't that crazy for this list, though. I don't know. We'll revisit him. Oh, my God. Just give me headaches, man. Just. Yeah, you know, scoring 30s, whatever.

I was 33 in a dead ball era with like the whole team. The whole team scored. 66 high score 30 it's whatever dude look who's on his list I'm just saying it's a bucket stack list there's like seven

MVP's on here okay Jason kid his title was in the 2010 so that doesn't count it doesn't there are but he was great

for the whole decade there are some finals appearances so we put him in B mm-hmm yeah I'll go B I'll go B

yeah B I feel like you have to win a title or maybe multiple MVP's to get A tier I think So B is fine Okay Is he on here? He is on there

Okay I see I see what you're setting up for Next name I don't even know what you're I have no idea what you're talking about Okay Let's go

What do we want to do with Yao Ming? Yao Ming He has to be D Really Why His like His career started and ended in the same decade there's no longevity at all the peak wasn't like insane and say high it was

riddled by injuries the talent is super high but i feel like he has to be d tier yeah it's not his fault but compared to everybody else in this list he's got got to be d tier yeah okay okay Vince Carter he might be d also might be d tier yeah i don't know he was great the whole decade. A flame out like crazy with one team. Good run with another team, but nothing really a substance happened. No titles, no MVPs. I don't even know how many first team only NBA's he had if he had any. Yeah, we'll go D2 with Vince. I don't think you sniff them. But shout out to you in Toronto. They love you out there. Yeah. You're always having that. I don't know. She's Vince be deck and neck with TMAC? No, he should not. No. He should not. Okay. I didn't think so. Carmelo

Anthony. Again. I want you all to, I want you to answer for. first. I don't know. Do you answer first? Because look at the precedent we have. Where do we put them? Because B tier has an MVP, one of the best point guards of all time. C tier is like unaccomplished. Where do you think he falls? F sounds right to me. We can move on. I feel like he's C tier. He's very talented, but unaccomplished in the decade. He said C? Yeah. Okay, yeah. I'm good with that. See? Oh, you were scared of D?

Yeah, I thought you guys were going to say D, but no. Mello. But what do you think should go to D? Just to piss him off? He should go to D, really. He never had like... In the 2010s, he didn't have like an MVP type season. Are we, I'm sorry, are we talking about the 2010s? Or are we talking about the 2000?

2000s, you didn't have an MVP type season. Same shit applies. My bad. 2010s, he did. But thousands, he did not. Don't even sell us. Why should he be B.C. Yeah.

You just over there. Tell us why. argue for your guy. it would first of all he has more playoff success than the other two guys in c tier as a as a as a as a as a score when it comes which is team max main thing he's at the same level that timac is you have longevity there and he actually and he actually has more longevity and being at the top in that decade than tracy mcgrady he should be right there with him okay no he is very similar he's very similar to chris ball they both came in drafted around that same time and just have a few all NBA seasons but nothing much else that's fair i can't troll enough i'm sorry but he just said my apology i just want to see you argue for him you were hes he also he also won a national championship and a gold medal in the same all right now we're counting that too uh good i'm just saying i'm just saying

we're talking about what he did in the 2000s he did do that all right man where to go with dirk ooh he might be he won a championship he's probably beatier he has he has he has an MVP the championship doesn't come into that the next decade yeah so really in the 2000s they would talk crazy about Dirk. They were calling him a fraud. They were calling him soft European shit. They were being mean as hell

to him in the video. It was a decade of Gilbert Arenas talk. Xenophobia was running through the New York Post. It was kind of tough. But again, he does have an MVP. So that is like that does mean something. Yeah, I think MVP's can't be

below B. Okay. I agree with that. Yeah. Chris Bosch. he's d is he d or is he f no he's d a reason i can put anybody in f where it's gonna be nice what's f about him i don't know he's just the worst one of the list i think exactly no fault to him he's gray i love grisbosch but i mean somebody has to be at the bottom yeah he i don't know i don't know actually i don't think he's worse than vince carter well i don't think he is okay let's go d yeah i think he's d he's thoroughly d

Ben Wallace We're to go with the defensive demon MyBF See now we can't do that We can't we can't We cannot put Defensive Demon Ben Wallace Three time DPOI

He cannot be below the guys In four time DPOY My bad four time DPOY And a champion He cannot be below the guys Oh he was a champion I literally forget he wanted champion Multiple finals appearances

Okay Now so he's not he's not S not A That's a lot of accolades Does that deserve B or is it C Because the individual production isn't there But no we have to we have to go We have to go minimum B

A championship in four DPL Y is minimum B Yeah you're right that Yeah yeah that is insanely stacked Yeah the only thing he doesn't have is scoring Which like who cares he's the best defender of the fucking list Alright put him in A No I relax

Relax Too much dip Steve Nash B EasyC B conversation. He won what, two MVP? Yeah, him and Jason Kit, Alan Iverson, just, you know, but two MVPs, that's

something. I think he's the thorough B. Who else on this list is back-to-back MVP's? That's not A-tier. Who else on this list? Listen, I fight for justice everywhere, and it is an injustice that he won back-to-back MVP's. I'm not giving him a tier.

I'm not clearly putting him above Alan Iverson. In a tier above Alan Iverson and Jason Kitt? No. I take Jason kid over Steve Nash anyways. Oh, my God. Beat here it is. I forgot we got the Steve Nash hater in here. The truther?

That's what I am. Speaking of the truth, Paul Pierce. Listen, we can put Paul Pierce in Fisbee Jets. I like Paul Pierce enough. No. I'm sure he's a cool dude. He has a title. He has a finals MVP.

That one specific year of 08 where he's like at his peak. that's pretty good I guess I'm C probably right put them in B B no no we're not putting him in the same category as Dirk and Steve Nash

and Jason kid do you have him in C yes is that it's Paul Pierce he might be C or D oh my God it's not D

he's crazy you think it's disrespectful that Paul Pierce next to Carmelo Anthony I don't know I mean he does have jewelry I just think he has a he has a title so okay okay

he should he should get up there but does that sit right with you to put him in the same tier with these legends I mean why you're hanging with a legend he has a title in the finals MVP like I don't fucking care he's going to see you

hold on hold on I got the mouse if you don't respect anything in this world. Nothing is sacred. We got to revisit Paul Pierce at the end of this. We've got to revisit Paul Pierce. We'll revisit him. Mo, you decide. You want to go B or C. Also, why is Paul Pierce his, his picture is bigger than everybody else?

His head looks huge. See, for that, I want to put him in goddamn F. But we can keep him in C. We have what, for having a big nodding? Yeah. We can keep him in C. okay Ray Allen

Ray Ray uh man you gotta put Ray Ray in can not come out 98 you gotta put Ray Ray he has a ring too

but no finals as a VP I think he's worse than Paul Pierce for the decade I don't think he contributed to winning as much was yeah

I mean he was one option for some years obviously but it wasn't like super fruitful I think you might be D I think I'd rather have Paul Pierce

I think he might be D and like how much to be away a third option ring Yeah, it was important Does a ring mean you have to be C Even for third option? Nah, that's not the case

Donovan Jogging disrespect, Ray. It's okay, I'm outmatched, put Ray in deep. He's not disrespect. These are the best players in their decade. They're all amazing. Okay. LeBron James, we're finally getting to him.

Put Bron and us. I don't even... There's no conversation. Yeah, duh. put Timmy and that's why you're at it there's also no conversation yeah no conversation Tim yeah S tier

Dwight Howard One MVP A final trip DPOIs A lot of all star seasons A lot of carrying as a first option You can put him in A Yeah I think

He's very similar to Kevin Garnett With everything I just said I wouldn't put him in A He doesn't have a ring Yeah he can't be in A He's firmly B though He's a strong be I don't know I mean he has a DPO wise in the same way as Ben Wallace but he's

obviously way better offensively eight times do you mean eight all-MBAs which four all-MBAs that's the whole decade like like that's like four first team all-MBAs in this decade listen that means them the NBA 75 disrespected Dwight I don't want us to be on the wrong side of history too we should put him in it okay then again dirt can never there he doesn't have a higher than If we put... Sorry, Dirk. No, Dirk has to be A, if that's the case, too.

No, you're right. Dwight didn't win MVP. If I won MVP, then it'd be A. He was close to winning MVP, just right outside the 2000. No MVPs, no rings. Hard to get into A unless you're like super, super, super productive, offensively and defensively. You know who's the perfect A?

Dwayne Wade. Dwayne Wade's automatic A too, isn't? Yep, he's a. low key i mean does he have an argument for s with a 2006 chip that might be the best carry job chip he never he the other guys have at least have an MVP he doesn't you're right you're right yeah and then after that okay but for the carry job chip he has to go a tier at least yeah now if he did a carry job and then was like carrying his team

consistently throughout the runs of the decade and it'd be like yeah but he had it's like terrible failures so he has to be a yeah that that chip is like what the 2011 ring is to Dirk in the 2010. Exactly. Okay, so for all you listeners, here's the whole tier list. Let's see if we got tweak anything. We got Kobe, Shaq,

LeBron, and Tim Duncan is S tier. Nice. A tier, we got Kevin Garnett and Dwayne. B tier, we got Alan Iverson, Jason Kidd, Dirk, Ben Wallace, Steve Nash, and Dwight. C tier, we got Chris Paul,

Tracey, McGrady, Carmelo Anthony, and Paul Pierce. D tier, we got Yao Ming, Vince Carter, Chris Bosch and Ray Allen Okay How we feel? We need

I feel like we have to have someone in F bro We have to utilize F Do we? I think we do We don't have to Who's the worst player here? I don't know

I'm not telling you Because then you're gonna move him to F You know who it is Let's do it No I'm just I'm just not doing that How about now Sassy

And that can be It's our tearless. Principled. What do you mean? Bastards. I stand on my value. There you go. That's arteriless.

We got one more video left. Mo, I believe you had some NBA shoes you want to talk about. Oh, yeah. Tis the season, bro. I have some NBA shoes and I want y'all to go ahead

and rate them from 1 through 10. New signature shoes. Okay. Drop every single year. And let's see what Nike, and to Steph Curry's under Armour brand's cooking up, bro. Okay, okay.

What's up first? All right, so first up, we got Deering Fox's first signature shoe under the Steph Curry brand. This is a Curry brand, right? Yep, this is the Curry brand. He's the first athlete. This is tough. This is immediately like at least an eight or nine to me just because a strap is a fox tail. That is such a cool ass little detail.

I'm ranking highly. I like it. I didn't even notice that. Oh, that's really cool. Sorry. I actually really like that. All right, you got that at 10. Under Armour coming out here with Dubby since when.

I give this a tattoo. 10 name near, bro. Oh, we're the shoe. Rare W. Yeah. This has been a while. And you don't see strap over the shoe like that. The last time I saw a strap over the shoe was maybe like KD's, KD4s, I think. Not a shot of Paul George who had a career off in the show. Oh, that is true. I forget. I think John Morant took it. All right. Next up. Are they still making jaw shoes? Or are they drop him? Uh, they have him. Josh shoes? Yeah, they're here. They're on the list. Okay. I remember like he lost a lot of brand deals after his Pa-pop-a-paw. So I can remember. He got him, bro. You're working to rate a

to. All right. Next up, we got the new bronze. Oh, don't like these. Big and

a clungian. You might have picked a bad color way, but this is not moving at all. AIDS comes for everybody. And whether that means on the court

athletic performance or off the court shoe performance, listen, that eight hits. When Jordan got to like shoe 18 and 19,

that shit was ass. It was like, no. I'm sensing a pattern. This is the end of my We're just talking looks. This does not move me. The end of my goats.

I think that the color wage is so bad. So, but this looks like Wembley shoe or something like that. It is a, I think it's a four or three. I'm going to be more mean than I was. I'm not going to be mad at you. It looks like a Martian shoe.

All right. Next up, we got Kevin Durant. The new KDs. This is pretty good. What is this? I like the little ridge, ridge on the side. Looks real predator.

I fuck with it. I think it works for Kevin Durant And it looks cool on him If I see you outside wearing these I don't know how I would feel And for that reason, I'm gonna go five Folks wearing like hoop shoes outside Can you like that?

Were these with some jeans? Some cargoes. Y'all got to go outside more. I got to see. No, I like these. I like this color away too. I like green. I'll give this a six.

This is a damn near seven to me. I would wear these for sure. Yeah, this is a nice shoe Yeah With some khaki cargoes Oh my god We got the new jaws These are hard

Ooh I like the little like sway texture on it That's hard This might be a solid eight I like this I give this damn near a nine I almost said 10 But I'm gonna give it a nine

I don't like the different material A lot of cool texture You got some like wood on it With some suede With the the mesh on the toes There's a lot going on And it works Yeah

It's a very high floor Because they're basically Phobus And they look very much like them. So I'll go about eight and a half. A win's a win. Yeah. Okay.

After his last year and a half, you sell shoes any way you can. Exactly. If I was an NBA player, I too would want to rip off Kobe's. Facts. For the Lolo. Next up, we got the new Janus's. This is rough. I feel.

I don't know how to feel about these. These are childish. I feel like I like them and I hate them at the same time. They're like shoes that I would get for my grand peppy. Like here, here,

like you're getting old. You know, like, I see you need some like back stabilization and shit. You guys remember sketch your shape-ups? Those ones that had

the big ass old and these look like that. Yes. Like they're super. This is real good for being 80 years old and walking around a mall. Speedwalk and just,

you're right, yeah. Fanny pack? Yeah. going you and your girls yeah yeah i like the color way though but the shoe is kind of kind of clunky six and a half six yes six is cool six is generous but real orthopedic yeah okay next up we got the new dames these are hard adidas dude adidas always comes right with these shoes every single adidas line is fire i like these a lot yeah dame had some really ugly shoes

in the day, but these, I see the, I see the resemblance with when it comes to the Anthony Edwards shoes and James Hardens. But this right here. Yeah, the last like three years, once they started copying everything Kanye was doing for him, now they've been cooking. The revamp is real, bro. Shout out to yay. Yep, yep.

They stole his flow and it's worked really well for the basketball line. I'll give this an A. I see the vision that not for me personally, but I guess, I go like seven and a half. Okay, that's good. That's good. okay that's fair we got the new zions oh

zi viz or cobi ain't z's Jordan brand what are y'all doing what like on a from your nine to five too much from your nine to five when you guys clock in what does your day look like I know because I can't

I can't understand why year after year after year Jordan brand consistently puts out the worst shoes in the entire I can tell. Zahn came in. Every Jordan brand shoe, they just like throw the most random concoction of elements on it. It's all so Maximus doing way too much

these alien shoes. Doing too much, bro. They're doing way too much. This is so bad. I have no words for this disgrace. Zion, when I look at your career and think of disappointments, I'm not blaming it on you. I'm blaming it on these shoes and what the Jordan brand has done for you, bro. Nothing.

Look on they massacred my boy. Yeah, bro. He should have signed a Shaq's company, I'm sure Shaq's shoes would have been, Shaq's company would have been way better than what Jordan's doing for him. Way better. Don't know about that. Giving these a three and we're moving on.

All right. Yep. Next up, we got the new Tatums, bro. Y'all fuck with the JTs? Nope. They're kind of cool. Once again, I see a Jordan brand logo. I know it's going to be asked.

This is, I mean, okay, it's kind of cool. It kind of reminds me of like some 90s, like, Shachnosis vibes those old Reeboks It's not terrible The color's cool I can't go higher than a five though That's definitely what they were aiming for

Yeah I honestly I really appreciate the bravery Of doing a lot in this way It's interesting But I don't know It just doesn't quite hit for me Okay That's on me

I'll give this a No I'll go six and a half Because they had gusto To try some yeah six This is a pretty color too I like this It's probably the best color of the issue I'm a sucker for Floropram

I'm a sucker for Floropram I'll go six. I'll be nice. All right. All right. All right. You don't got to be nice. Hmm. No. No, I'll just, I'll just go six. They, they don't move me. I don't like him. But it is what it is. Okay. Okay. Okay. Next up. You got the new Kyrie's. Oh, the bright, you can tell he left Nike. I feel the vibranium through these sneakers already. Kyrie take me back home. I need it. These are, these are some hand. Danger basketball shoes These things I don't like a magician Exactly

Now you see me Now you don't touch the gym on the court There's some fucking smoke on the ground Just Pff and disappear I don't Yeah I'm I am not rocking with these

And for my next trick I will shoot 30% For the field of the finals Disappears So you don't have to go there That's crazy You didn't have to go there You didn't have to go there

That's a crazy insult He was going through a hard time Okay Return to Boston It was very emotional. Oh, my gosh. I mean, it's not terrible. I'll give it a five.

I feel like this color way and black would be so hard. So hard. Yeah, give me some normal color way and it's probably... The actual mole of the shoe is quality and it's not funky. Yeah, it's cool.

So I would give us like a... I like the soul. I like a little patterns come out of the sides. I like him doing the Native American heritage stuff there. I like that.

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I agree. No, I'll open. Let's go six. Six is cool. All right. Shout out of Kari.

Next up, we got the new Lamella. They look like his old ones This is some avatar Way of Water ass shoes And this is why they're perfect It represents the Mellow Ball Do you see the one of one bro

Do you see the like The inklings The same tattoos that he has On like his wrist or whatever It's the Mellow Ball personified I see this Every time I see the Mellos I just think of that commercial

From last season where he was in the barbershop And they pan the camera And he's like Bruh I'm literally him And I can't have anything else It's the worst commercial I've ever seen He says it just like that

I do not like this. This is like if you took that Cam Newton font and just put it all on all on a shoe You say Cam Newton font bro I think This is what you see Written on stalls in the middle school bathroom Genuinely Yeah and honestly these are marketing middle schoolers

I'm sure for middle schoolers are fucking fired So for their intended purpose They're probably an eight or nine For me it's a four I agree I agree I'd never wear these to the club It's hilarious bro

And that's the last one And I believe that is the end of this episode Right If people are still here What should they comment, Donovan Comment, bro, I'm literally him There you go Shout out to Portland's economy

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