The Deep 3 Podcast - Everything We Want To See In The 2025 NBA Season | TD3 Live

Episode Date: September 25, 2024

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I hope it's good Yeah man Welcome back to another week of T3 Live As you guys see by the title So today we're going to talk about everything we want to see in the 2025 NBA season, you know, our NBA wish list. 100%. Listen, it's not necessarily Christmas, but I do, listen, there's one thing that I have been

begging for. And listen, obviously you guys already know what it is. And I don't know if we want to jump straight into it. If I could just tell you guys what I want to blow down. Please. Please. No, you need to calm the fucking. Please, please, please.

Ready. Shash, up. Please. You guys know who works. We had the news doc. We're going to get through today. All the biggest news stories the week. Stuff's finally starting to happen.

NBA, you know, we can smell the NBA season in the air. We're soon coming close to where all the media days are going to be happening. We're really going to see lots of news back in our lives. So that's nice. We're going to do that. We have a few seconds for you guys. Like I said, the NBA wish list. Some TikTok type stuff towards the end.

It's going to be a good episode. Y'all see J. The Brown today? Yeah, no beard. Bro, no big looks crazy. He looks wild. You think he's that bad? What?

You think it's that bad? I mean, it looks a little different. Like, I wasn't like, I wasn't expecting it. He kind of looked like, I don't know. And listen, this may be some racism, right? Just because he's, you know, he's dark. I mean, let's go. As soon as I saw,

saw him. I thought it was Drew Holiday for a second. Wow. With no beer. I was excited to see where I was leading. Shout out to Joaquin 37 for opening the stream off by tipping $5. He said, Mo is trying to rub off my, I wanted to make sure Mo can read allegation, but ended up proving me right last episode. Here's the dinner you owe Donovan. Oh, they're talking about the, are you smarter than a fifth grader? Oh yeah, you do owe me dinner. No, what? And that bread. Send that send that bread could you lost the game what are you talking about

I own the field they're not you anyways you guys are talking about a whole lot of nothing first story of the day we forgot to talk about this last week Adrian and Woznarowski has retired how did you guys feel salute to our fallen soldier

exactly shout out to the goat also incredible transition to just go from like the top reporter to be in the GM of a college basketball team of his alma mater yeah i mean he's he's he's too how do you now here's the real thing how do you feel about how adam shepter portrayed it where adam shepter was like listen man there was no sleepless nights he couldn't go to the restroom he couldn't shower he had to be on top of his thing this is just the life that we live as our top reporters that's the that's the biggest thing because i think everybody else was like hey

shout out to wode you know real nice guy cool cool retirement After made it seem like he was a legit fallen soldier. Yeah. He was after war. Who was Schefter? Is he like the NFL version of Woos? Yeah. And when the news broke, he was like, yeah, I don't get it, man.

He's done. We built this shit, brick by brick, blood, sweat, tears. He was ready to build him a statue outside the ESPN office. It was hilarious. And I was like, yo, calm down. Like, I understand, right? There are some challenges. you're good

you're fine it's not even that bad he's not even that bad he's supposed to this for all of us except the rest of it no we must have had

like one of the most stressful jobs in the media point blank period just because you always have to be in your phone you always have to have a conversation

continuously build those relationships to make sure those relationships are good kiss a little ass I'm assuming too just so you can get like tidbits of information

it's crazy yeah shout out to Joseph Lucio for tipping $5 you, man. Yeah, interesting what it's going to be like without Woj because is Sean just going to break everything? I know there are some people tweeting that like

there's a report by a reporter about a reporter that said Brian Winhorse is ready to expand his role at ESPN like he's James Harden in 2011. Don't nobody want to see that? Oh my gosh. It's like sure, but I wonder it's just been a lot of theorization. I actually saw

there's, like, fake betting lines about who ESPN is going to hire to be their lead NMEA reporter, which is crazy degeneracy to bet on the next person that a corporation hires. I may have to call the line. I'm not going to lie. Oh, yeah. I may have to take myself in. Did I dabble potentially?

What I'm going to miss the most? Chris Haynes. Chris Haynes, I better see you in Bristol, man. Ew. Chris Haynes is the people's champion. Oh, another donation. Shout out to Horse of Yokic, frequent T.D3 Donator for tipping $5.

He said, you three in the kill versus the four dudes from the numbers on the board to 21. Ones and twos, half court, winner gets ball. Who wins? Man, let's three in the queue versus, uh. Now, mind you, listen. They are tall. They are large people.

No D Mills, we got it, right? But if you put D Mills on the floor, he's, listen, he's just too big. He's shack. No, he's not. Just take him out of the paint. Let him make him. I'm running around the perimeter and we're straight. We're throwing the kill to the wolves.

The kills posting up with him. Like PJ Tucker posting up with Big Man 2018. Oh no. If he wasn't any kills, he can't post up. That's not his game. We're going to have to have him beyond Draymond type time. No, what we're going to do is we're going to throw any kill there because we want D.Mills to attack Nikil every time and tire himself out.

So halfway through the game, he can't move anymore. So he put him picking rolls. He's too tired because he's been in the post the whole time trying to, you know, win the game for the team. Listen, we'll give them our plan. You two. We'll give them our plan. We'll give them our plan right now.

They kill you are our PJ Tucker. Isaac is going to be at the high post on offense. Running old man, Magic Johnson, Nicola Yolkich, Jemond Green, just slip passes, right? Backdoor passes. Slip passes. Mo? Listen, I'm going to need you to be Paolo on the wing, right? Getting the movies.

I will, whoever they put on me, I will run you to death. You will not be able. I'm running back and forth. It's wind sprints all day. Numbers on the board. Stop us. What are you about to do? Let's get it.

He's writing cash. He's writing checks. I'm going to have to cash it. Oh, damn. Ah, damn. I'm not going to have to cash him by his fucking cell.

Oh, my God. Checks, I'm going to have to cash. Damn. I mean, be more outside the bank. Next to what we got. The Lakers' first seven games,

Timberwolves, sons, kings, sons, Cavaliers, Raptors, Pistons, predict their record. Wait, put that, put that on the screen? I can't. I can't remember it. Hold on. Hold on, hold on.

There you go. Wow. All right. What we say? What we say? Because I also can't see. Can you zoom? Can you?

Oh, my God, this man is... I can't see. Hold on my phone. I got it. I got it. Oh, okay. Chat, predict their records. I'm seeing one in six, two and five.

They immediately got mean. I think I'm... All right, so Pistons is a dub. Raptors, easy win. They'll win one of the Sun's games. They should beat the Kings. And I'm not going to give them the T-wolves. So I would go four.

I would go four and three. DQ, some point in the chat, the mods said four and three. I think that's fair. Yeah, four and three. Right around 500. It's going to be as close to five minutes as they can get either four or three wins. It depends. That third game of the season is really going to, in terms of the first seven games,

that's going to alter. What version of the Kings are we going to see? Because the Kings, the Kings love to step up. And somehow De Aaron Fox is just like, hey, listen, I love playing the, you know, I love playing the Lakers. Sabonis. Listen, according to the online streets, Anthony Davis can't hold Subonis. He can't do that. So we'll see, we'll see what version of him comes out.

But it's probably, probably four and three. Yeah, that's fair. So I'm sorry, who's guarding Deerran Fox? Like he's shack. Who's guarding Dalton Connect? Tell me that. It's a real conversation you need to have. Don't get out.

Please, God. Let's fucking go. Next new story. This is actually interesting one. A quote from Jason Tatum. He said, people always ask me, when did you guys know you're going to win a championship? When Minnesota beat Denver, I felt like Denver was the only team that they matched up best with us. I thought that we were going to play Denver in the finals, and it was going to be a good one.

This is so real, because we said this all last year. We said amongst the Celtics dominance, we were like, listen, they're probably going to win. unless Nicola Yokish walks through those doors. I have a TikTok on my page where I said, I'm worried the Celtics won't win everything despite being the best team in the world because I think they can beat everybody

but the Nuggets. And I'm worried that the Nuggets are going to crash their parade and one of the best regular teams of all time isn't going to have a championship. And obviously, that didn't happen. Interesting to see that Jason Taden felt the same way because

Comin's been cooking me the past six months after the Celtics ended up winning. They're like, how this is it, bitch? Yeah. That's the real shit that Jason Tatum has ever said in his life. I love honesty because he knows neither him, Jalen Brown,

Chris Ospreznius, even Joe Mozilla. He can give all the inspirational talks that he wants. No one can look that seven foot Serbian in the eye and be like, I got you for a game. Four games in a row specifically. Can't do that. Exactly. We saw the two matchups in the regular season.

And obviously, regular season matchups are not the same as playoffs. However, I do look at those games as like clear indicators where that first game in Boston, the way that that game finished up with Tatum taking a bad shot at the late game offense, like stalling out, that was an issue that we saw for the Celtics for years now. And then even whenever you go to Denver, that game was really, really close. And it was just clear. Like the Celtics are going to have a problem with the, the nugget. So shout out to them. They got it done. And listen, I don't know, would they have

beaten the Timberwolves? The way they were playing? Yes. Yeah, I would have picked it. I would have picked it. I would have picked it, too. But I don't think it's a foregone conclusion the way that Tatum said it. Yeah, the Mavs are definitely the best matcher for them, I think, especially with Luca hobbled. Like, that was always going to be the easiest match for them of those three, just because the fact that your best player is not fully 100%, even if you was, you have the right amount of defenders of different types that could really slow them down compared to what the other teams have.

So, again, cool to see that Tatum felt the same way. Well, you look like you're doing some, like, ninja pose. I love the honesty. I love the honesty. Was it just a something? Something got discombobulated on my screen. I don't know what it is. But we're good now.

Nevertheless, discombobulation or not. The next tweet we have is another quote from a Boston's Celtic star. Jalen Brown says, Boston usually play-through players like Peyton Pritchard and Sam Hauser versus teams like Detroit. He said, we're going to play through Peyton, let him go for 30, play through Sam, let him shoot 10-3s tonight, and we're still going to win the game.

This is so disrespectful. I love it. So disrespectful, beyond disrespectful. He's basically saying that Tatum and Brown, and the rest of the starters are taking nights off while they let the backups go ahead and do those bottom feeder teams work. It's funny because one, he's saying these teams are unsurious. we can let our little homies take them on.

Two, he's letting these guys know they're little homies. And he's like, it's like condescending. It's like, give them 30, Peyton. Like it's unsubes. I mean, listen, everybody knows, everybody knows their role. So like, Peyton Pritchard, I think at, I think outside of the five to 10 seconds after he hits half court shots, I think that he knows that he's not the best player on the team. right now when no shots go in he's like see this is why joan he'd be holding me back

like i can make it from i can make it from 50 i can make it from 22 like i can i can do it i promise but it's you know you know it's just funny to see it verbalized normally players like don't say something like that because it's like an un un everyone knows the roles like you're saying but nobody wants to be like this guy's the bench warmer and he kind of like indirectly said that once once again Yeah, we love the honesty. Facts. Plus, he's the finals MVP.

He has the cachet to say whatever he wants now. Yeah, Jaylon Brown can just say some nonsense for the rest of his life. And we're just going to be like, whoa, he's a final MVP. Like, he got it. Exactly. Shout out to Elena for tipping $15, one of our mods back in here. So what's up, y'all? Been in minutes since I've been in the stream, but glad you are still doing these.

Also fuck the Celtics. Right always. Richie, we missed you. Also, fuck the Celtics. Is that a sprinkle that in there? Shout out Elena. I love that.

All right, what we got next? Oh, next we have a quote from Oh, Reliable, one of the most interesting characters in the NBA. Tillman Furtita. He says there's no deeper team in the NBA than us. Do you guys hook the rockets have the most depth in the entire league?

Slash, do you want to see Timon Fertita talk about it? Who the hell is that? And no. owner of the Rockets? Um, no. Yes. Kind of. I mean,

they do have the most amount of interest players. That's what I'm saying. It's not great. Like, you don't, you are not, you don't have great talent. You don't even deeper than the Pelicans.

Yeah, Pelicans. I don't know. The Rockets have a lot of good players, but their depth is not necessarily a good thing. They have like too many players in a way. Oh, Oh, yeah, young players.

Like, yeah. I get why he's saying this and like, I understand the sentiment. And it's fine for the Rockets Order to be saying this, obviously. But their death is almost like a problem where like they got to figure out who they're going to prioritize so it's not just like entirely free for all. But even outside of that, I mean, they're up there. They have a lot of good players. It's a good problem to have.

I guess looking back at it from a young talent. It is until it isn't. It's a good problem until it's not. Exactly. And it's a problem that they have to solve before, like, actually hinders. the growth of um assar tom is it assarman amen thompson and also uh you know afrin singoon and i'm assuming reed shepherd as well someone said the houston rockets are the most theoretical deaths in the chat facts they have the most depth if everything goes right but it's all still

theory with all these young guys not not even like listen i think that like the pelicans or like the thunder you are teams that you would have in that conversation but with the thunder if goes out who's who's stepping up to to play point guard right like that have you not seen aaron wiggins okay right so so what i'm saying is you are going from shay to erin wiggins that drop off is very is very steep right it's not necessarily a next man up with the rockets no you know yeah you can take one and put another one in and it's going to work just to say i might even say if some of those stars get hurt they might get better. All I'm saying is

if you're the starting five and let's say Jaylen Green sprains an ankle and Reed Sheppard has to play starting with it. Whoa! You might not get worse. You might not get worse.

We are not hoping for that. But that's what we think. That's how we feel, you know? It might not get worse. It might be neutral at, neutral at worst. And maybe you uncover some new lineups because you have so many different guys

with so many different complimentary skill sets that you might stumble into something great. Exactly. I mean, yeah, that's what typically happens in the NBA, some random injury or some hiccup happens, and

then a star player or a highly prioritized player is out for a minute and the next thing you know, boom, you got all your pick who's even better than the guy who was out. Or like, yeah, man. Like you guys said, John Green wasn't a starter until David Lee got hurt. And then from there was history. That's a key example. Exactly.

I'm not saying the Rockets are for sure going to have that happen, but I'm not saying it's not going to happen either. Because I think it's a good chance. That's something like that happens because Fred Van Vandleet, you're a good starting point guard. count your fucking days stuff like that like Dylan Brooks sounds like you're gonna be

outside his crib ready at like 215 with crowbar just how to get behind the car I appreciate your defense I appreciate Dylan Brooks's tenacity every young team needs that

like they did last year but Dylan Brooks count your fucking days like to have so many good young players behind these veterans I don't like the way you say that God

they just have young stars ready to come up a man Thompson has to be a star at one point, Reed Sheper has to be a starter at one point, Tarisan, uh, Cam Whitmore,

like, they're going to stumble into something like that, I think. Somebody's spamming Turkish flags saying Singoon is the best center in the world. Shot at to Sengoon lovers. Someone said, what's wrong with Fred?

Nothing's wrong with Fred. Fred's awesome. He's a good, competent starting point guard. They have a man Thompson waiting. He's there. Amen, please learn how to shoot. And that's all we need. You can get, if you can get from 17% from three, right?

Oh, 17%? His was low. It was, it was down there. Yeah, it was atrocious. It was bad. We don't talk about that, though. Anyways, someone said, how do you feel about Jaime Hawke's ice?

Who do they mean by that? Yeah. Let's talk about something else funny. Vladay Divok says, Time will tell whether drafting Marvin Bagley over Luke and Donge's was the wrong choice. I already had Deeran Fox. Time will tell if I was wrong. As things stand now, it seems I was, but I still had to make the Dier and Fox having a great career.

Ego is crazy. He said, right now, maybe I'm wrong. Well, I have to wait until the end. But maybe one day I'll be right. There's Luca gut, the legal catch up to. No. That's hilarious. You have hilarious comments.

Listen, I'm not going to lie. I probably was But in a couple of years Maybe The best part is he made this Borderline Listen Fox might be great too Like you couldn't have both

Like it was one or the other Like Fox was the choice He picked over Luca He just pretended Marvin Bagley Wasn't part of this equation Marvin Bagley was the only reason Why that ain't happened Yeah man

That's all I gotta say about it Laughing about it No it's funny yeah He can keep pushing Oh, what's next in this doc? Oh, you have one of my tweets in here. People should be arguing with clouds. Vladivok?

Every time he opens his mouth there's just like not useful information at all. Speaking of, Kendrick Perkins is back on TV. He says, no one is scared in the NBA is scared of the Boston Celtics right now.

And I quote this and I said, nonsensical NBA gap on TV is back. Nature is healing. This is like Groundhog Day. This is how you know NBA season is upon us. You feel it in the air. because you see Big Perk on TV saying some shit

that everyone's gonna scream at him for on Twitter. Isaac is back shitting on Kendrick Perkins' name. TD3 streams are back. They are not the same unless Kendrick Perkins makes it into the dock and just slightly irritates Isaac for no reason. You put this in the dock.

Let's not pretend off to Kendrick Perkins' Twitter. Who controls the dock, sir? You'd be on his Twitter. Just refreshing. Just try to see what he's saying. I look for the closest Kendrick Perkins. his tweet just to get some shit off and you fell for it i actually got a like hendry perkins i uh i appreciate the commitment to the bit of constantly being the butt of every joke all for the sake of the

contents yeah it's quite funny he's good his same it seems a good i forgot what he said he said about darwin ham he said if you like if you replaced uh darvin's ham if you put darvin ham's brain in a bird the bird will start to fly backwards That's crazy. Food donation. Shout to zombie warlord for donating $15. I can speak for everyone

as a Nets fan, but we're all excited for Tink Commander Cam Thomas to lead the Nets to a 24 win season. 24. That's generous. 24.

I'm not sure if you get there. I got some bad news for you. Cut the number and a half. Woo! They are. They won't get to 18 wins. I'll say that right now. Yeah, we have generational ass coming up.

Are they, like, going to be... So you're telling me they're going to be worse than the Pistons? Oh, yeah. I'd hope so. Oh, this year? Maybe. The Pistons won 14 games last season. Damn.

Over under. Chat, over under 14 games for the Nets this year. Do they match what the Pistons did last year? Spamming in a chat. Let me get it over under. You know, them Brooklyn tickets is going to be cheap as hell. I'm going to be up there posted all the time. watching Dorian Finney Smith

Go between the legs Yeah, $5 for a chop cheese Or $5 to watch Dorian Finney Smith, Jr. Taping in. We got two more donations to read off. Shout out to Buy a Spurs fan

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Who do you think matches up best against Boston and the East, Philly with the dominant score in Bede, Knicks with team depth, or Bucks with potentially hot-streaking stars. It's definitely the Knicks. Actually, either the Knicks or the Sixers, but I'm leaning probably towards the Nix. Yeah, I'd go to the Nix just because they had the defensive personnel to slow down the, no, key players on the Celtics. Yeah, like the OG, I don't know, these other world, Macau Bridges, who fell off defensive

since he's been in Brooklyn because of, you know, being overly taxed on the offensive end. but it's fair to assume that he'll fall back into like the elite, one of the most elite 3-and-D defender role that he had starts his entirety of the NBA career. So O.G. Macau, then you have Dante Divencindonzo, who's not no slouch. Josh Hart's there as well.

Say that three times fast. And you also have Miles Deuce McBride. There's a lot of options on that team, bro. He got that little tainer in. Not a mint plus retainer combo. Not a mint, Ben, gone. I shouldn't have said that. I didn't know what's coming.

I didn't know what's coming. Shout out to Jack. Shout out the Jack for tip of $5. He said the 2012 Bobcats will be better than the 2025 Nets. Woo. That's cool. So the Nets are in that territory. That's wearing for some comedy this season because that means Canada is taking a lot of shots.

They're not even expected. Are they the, are they the lowest? Y'all tripping. Killian Hayes is on the Brooklyn Nets Town. And also, Ben Simmons is coming back. they are great the nets are expected to be the worst team in the league this season

if we're going off of a win totals well I mean I'm surprised the wizards weren't weren't lower but oh no that's it Alex Arr something to say Jason Tatum sends a message you haven't seen the best version Jason Tatum yet do you think Jason Tatum is coming back on demon time

this year shut up Jason shut up taking the Olympic benching the heart and coming back with a vengeance. Maybe. I mean, he was talking about it today, and he's like, I don't want to give anybody any, like, specific credit for giving me extra motivation going into the season.

But if he does it, then, all right, like, come on, man. Like, if there's ever a time for Jason Tatum to be like, oh, I'm, I'm going to show you how great I am. If there's ever a time for him to do that, it's this season. I actually kind of thing I'm buying Jason Tatumstock I don't know if that's crazy I kind of I kind of do expect him to have a good bounce back season the only thing that was bad last year is he shot the ball like shit

and I will it shock me at all if he spent the summer trying to get his mechanics back to normal and returning back to what we saw two years ago and he comes out shooting 40% from three again and being everything that was good about him two years ago plus the improvements he made defensively the improvements he made as a passer like I think I probably Yeah if I had to pick

Seeing the same Jason Tatum as last year Or seeing the best version of Jason Tatum we've ever seen I think it's pretty likely we see the best version you've ever seen If it's okay Yeah If it was between those two options I would go closer to the Jason Tatum that we saw last season I think yeah I think it's more likely we get more of the same

Rather than the absolute best version of Tatum Just because looking at At him and looking at the way way that his shot comes out of his hand now, it looks and it feels 100% different. And I think that that coupled with his shot selection and the shot diet that he gets now and the shots that he consistently goes for, I don't know if too much is going to change unless he really is like, I'm going to put my head down. I'm going to get to the basket. I'm going to try to take easier shots. So in a chat said JT coins to the moon, everyone. Chat spam it up. Are you buying or selling JT

stop right now? you see what's your guys a general feeling pro or i mean j t coming i think it's clear that we we all know that tatum has another ceiling to reach will that ever happen who knows he's already top 10 solidified

luck yeah all like going back to what i said the defense came around the defense came around over the last few years rebounding been there uh wait what happened y'all are buying during a recession

You invest in your little coin you have in Jason Tatum Yeah If that Jay just comes back He'll be all right Exactly He's 20 Clear shade Do you think he's just fucked forever

From a jump shop perspective? Probably not I mean I guess he could be It's happened before There's been plenty of players Who's had like down Down shooting years Yeah I mean he could be Bradley Bill

And maybe the three point shots Is not going to come back around And he's always going to be a different type of player now But he's so young And we've seen elite shooter Jason Tatum And obviously he's improved Many ways around that Like it would

not be it's not improbable that he puts all these new things together with the jump shot we got to relax on the he's super young he's 26 he's going to be 27 by the time the the playoffs roll around he is as he is 27 is not like as far as you're just in the context talking about your jump shot being washed that's that's not you know some people you lose a jump shot because their legs give out and they just like don't have the physical mechanics anymore like russell westbrook you got worries because his legs were washed i'm not worried about that part with Jason Tatum, so I feel there's plenty of time for him to re-figure out the mechanics. What if we're seeing the same thing with Jason Tatum?

And obviously, it does have to go to this level. But the same thing with him that you saw with Anthony Davis, where the jumper just, like, as you get stronger, the jumper just isn't going to be there. And like to the level that it, yeah, to the level that it was when he first came, came into the league, even what you saw three years ago. I don't, I'm not 100% sure. that that's going to come back. And at 27, like, you are stepping into your prime.

Yeah, you may add, like, one, one new thing, like a new, like a new move or something like that. But the way that you play basketball is not going to dramatically change when you are 27. Like, you are going to, you are probably as close to a finished product as you can be, especially for a guy who's been a number one option for a majority of his career. And there's not like a, I don't think there's another massive season. for him to get to I think he can be better but not to like two different tiers what is the better version of Jason Taylor no one's saying he's gonna be the best player in the world no one's

claiming that but yeah okay so first of all let's say this it sounds more negative than really is glad let's make this clear the current version Jason Tatum is still the best version Jason Tatum even without the jump shot he's still a better player now it's kind of like the luka thing where he got fat and doesn't dunk anymore and everyone's like man remember the days but he got someone better other stuff that this is still the best version of luca we're looking at the best version of Tatum still so we're really talking about the best version of about is he going to keep being first team all NBA six best player in the world maybe eighth whatever it may be or do we see him really competing for the top five

because the jump shot comes back do you think see in order for him for him to be better donovan literally just three that's the only thing that really needs to happen is a three point shot falls that's all it is there's two there's two things and they they go a little bit hand in hand and it is extremely extremely reductive and I do apologize for this But when I watch Jason Tatum, I see two things. I need your jumper to get better and get back to where it was. I need to see that dog. That's what I, that's why I need to see the thing.

All right, close his lips. Kick him out of the chat. Top-on, top-forward type of place. Those are two areas of improvement I would have for Jason Taylor. All right, man. Let me have some donations. We'll move on. Shout out to Jack for tipping $6.36.

He said maybe Tatum finally realized he's 6'8. Facts. And shout out to Cam W for tipping $10.39. Okay. But when is Moe dropping the backwork tutorial? Bagwork? Yeah, backwork. Who said I had bad work?

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Take a second to stop And drop a like on the stream I want you to think about this The odds of Jimmy Butler's hairstyle on this year's media day The highest odds right now Plus 265 Actually not the highest

Yes it is It's bald It's bald This is my pick as well On here we also Died hair Afro which is a good pick Mohawk

Twisties with a low fade Buzzcut Another emo hairstyle Man Bun the Jimmy Neutron pigtails what are y'all's thoughts what are you expecting

in the Jimmy Butler the next arrow pig tails listen there might be some revival on pig tails it's plus 1,200 you what do pig tails even look like

let me see pig tails coming at the side oh ew what he had before this I forgot what he had before this I forgot what he did

this oh yeah in the fake jails yes I think that he will have something more like going outwards, a bigger hairstyle like that. I'm going either Afro or I'm going pigtails.

I think bald is the best. Bald makes total sense is the next one. I would say bald. That's accurately prepped into every niche. Not every niche so far, but he's been trying to tap into several niches. And I think pigtails is too close to the emo look. You got to go bald. He used to go completely bald too. You're saying he's not going to run

no eyebrows. The white one. Emo people will be having pigtails? How is that close? I mean I'm not versed on the emo community they'd be doing that from what I hear you

from what you hear you know you know you're talking he's around chat what do you guys think I want to see predictions right now

for Jimmy Butler haircut in a couple weeks I got to see bald I think he's going bald and has to be like completely bald no eyebrows too

no facial hair she got big tails Isaac literally can do that I can't though I guess I could I'd be weak as fuck though yeah no polish

oh yeah I saw a tweet how was Mullet not on here a mullet would make so much sense Jimmy Butler his country ass hmm that's that's a aunty a sleeper A Mollett is a good pick I hate Mollett's so much

What they're kind of hard You don't like Mullet's That's that me Someone said he's in a show up with a Carlos Boozer He's gonna paint his hair on No, that's disrespectful. What if he goes, if he goes bald and then paints the hair on?

That's exactly what we mean. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And like, what if he took another mile and did like the Stephen A. Smith and just put his hair all the way at the back of the top of his head? It would be great. All right, man, that's the end of our news docket. Pretty soon we're going to move on to what you see from the title, the NBA wish list for the year.

But first, we are going to do. A draft. We're going to take a quick TikTok break, do a little game for you guys, you know, what you guys all love to come to see. We're going to do a draft where we build the perfect NBA role players.

So we have body, shooting, defense, playmaking, finishing. You guys know how it works. We draft one player for every spot. Only stipulation is it has to be a role player, past or present. Okay,

role player, meaning they cannot, genuinely cannot have any like an ounce of start into their game. We can't cheat. Yeah, just, you know, just be normal. A role player.

Let's be real. Don't push it. Don't push it. Don't call. Chat, who's going to be the first one to do some bullshit? Why is it me? So, real simple. Let's draft the perfect NBA role player is possible. Mo, you got first pick.

Wow. I haven't had the first brick in a minute. It's been exactly two drafts since you're the first pick. Okay. What was the last time I had the first pick? Two drafts ago. It's only the three times. No, no, no, no, no.

I think I'm getting played out here. Whatever. Who is the first pick of the goal players? Everybody stop. Role players. Okay. Just dismissed. For role players, I'm going to do body.

Go ahead and give me Aaron Gordon. Damn it, man. Why would you waste that on body? His body's regular. He was a great finishing pick. body his body's not ready to be super athletic damn don't tell me how to run my team too stay on that side you ruined my team you're supposed to be my finishing

fuck I don't know where we're going listen let's go with another nugget for body give me Michael Porter Jr. Hmm your back is bad you can't move you're stiff no lateral quickness can't jump out the gym slow as shit sold

you have a better body than him let's keep a good oh give me a form nugget. Give me bowl bowl. Bull bowl for body. I'm not going body for body with MPJ. I got my money on you. I don't know what you want.

I got my money on you. Have you seen your lots? That's not the conversation I want to be it. Your back is good. Okay. Trust me. That's all I need. All right.

Enough. Give me John and Isaac for defense. I got a bowl bowl. Isaac shot blocking. All right. For defense, give me Herb Jones defense. Okay, that's a good pick. If Herb Jones had MPJ's length, now sadly he can't move laterally, but he has longer arms.

It doesn't matter. The defense of Herb Jones allows him to move laterally. Okay. Someone said MPJ and a role player, he has a max contract. I got, if you pay attention to NBA the last five years, Max, role players get paid. That doesn't make him not roll players. players they just get paid you know

shout out to the union okay so for shooting go ahead and give me Kyle Corver okay the greatest shooters of all time and then

let's say for ooh this might be a debate is Andre Iguala a role play would you say no he's an all star but should we do this

current players or keep it all time let's do all time. Yeah. Oh, well, we got to change it up. I mean, I mean, we're fine,

five, five, just go ahead. The only thing that I have to change is my pick. So we can keep. Yeah, it's two current players. That's just someone else.

Let's do another lead shooter. Be it's two current players only. Okay. Who's another current amazing shooter? Actually, screw shooting. Because there's plenty of those out there. There's plenty of those out there.

Um, for finishing, go ahead and give me, I want some who could fly high and just be jammish on people's head. Go ahead and give me Derek Jones Jr. Oh, okay. Former dunk contest. Uh, this guy stole my pick. He stole the pick. Yeah. All right.

All right. So what do we have left? We have shooting, defense, playmaking, finishing. see this is this is very very tough because you're out here stealing stealing what i'm doing and now i have no idea where to go and so i'm really just trying to talk through a whole bunch of stuff i can filling in air i know i really do you know what for my shooting give me give me give me uh come on Give me Dante Divencino for shooting.

Okay. That's a great pick. That is a great pick. That is genuinely a great pick. I shot like 7, 8 3s a game on 40%. Did you pick a second player, Pope? Oh, shit. I did not.

You did not. You got skipped up. Aw. Donovan. I'm so sorry. My condolences. Because for shooting, I'm taking Dante Devinchenzo. You're welcome.

Fucked. Smoody pie. El, bozo. All right, man. What are we doing here? What are we doing here, man? Like, I'm just trying to live. I'm just trying to live.

All right, so for playmaking, you know what? Give me, give me a nice little point guard. Give me T.J. McConnell. Give me a, give me a Floyd show. Okay. You're going to do shit right. Listen, you're going to do shit the right way. I've already picked one controversial figure.

Give me Josh Giddy's passing. You're disgusting. Allegations are through the roof right now. His name's been cleared. You're disgusting. His name's been clear. Shut. You're nasty.

You're one of the defendants. Fuck no, fuck him. But I couldn't think of any other ambassadors. Oh, fuck him. His name had been cleared. All right. He'd be cleared. He's so funny.

And you have to Dunkin Robinson shooting. Okay. Duncan Robinson shooting. Okay. So I'm about to pick. Oh, my God. They would not say that. They want to list all of them, all the nasty men in the league.

Oh. All right. For finishing. The Chattah is going serious. I'm building a team for a ditty party. Yeah. All right, all right, all, yeah. So for finishing, give me somebody just with crazy bounce.

Give me a men, Thompson. Ooh, okay. Yes. And then for shooting, see, where should I go with this? Where should I go with this? For shooting, give me, give me a key. Megan Murray. You're not having back-to-back picks.

Wow. You just love going. You are everywhere. You are so lost right now. You think you're me. Some of the Chatties have Donning in selling for once. He doesn't know his picks. Yes, he is.

You have CTE for today. Damn. Football season back on your lining yourself way too well. You don't know where you at right now. Basketball. Count with me. Mojo, Don, and Isaac. I'm too focused.

I'm too focused. I was watching NextDen Dots before we started this. Not locked in. All right. Okay. Well, who is your pick? For defense, go ahead and give me Alex Caruso. Give me Alex Caruso.

I need his defense. That's a very good pick this late in the draft. Yeah, yeah. That's damn you can argue that's a steal of the drafts if you wanted to. Yeah, your player is no bad. No bag No bag See, I'll just try to think about a player who has a bag

But just because you have a bag Don't mean that you're like a playmaker for real So I got to slow down Jordan pool You No, no, no, I'm not doing it You know you want to put Cam Thomas under playmaking Oh my God, do it

Do it He's a ballstopper, Maine. Okay. So for playmaking, you guys can't tell me he's not a role player at this point of his career. Give me Ben Simmons. If there's one thing he's going to do, he's going to get the ball out of his hands. He hasn't been relevant on the court for the last three years. I guess.

Okay. You can have Ben Simmons. I would actually like to change my pick because I'm not going with Keegan Murray for shooting give me Grayson Allen That's a great big He was a sniper last season No one just cares

Give me steal the draft Give me Jalen Johnson for finishing See I'll think I was thinking about that Are we considering him a role player Duh He's not a star For now yeah I mean he's the second best player on the team

That don't mean none The team sucks. Because the team's terrible. All right, all right. You could have said that in a completely different way. Damn. The team's trash. That's not a good thing.

All right. We get it. He was about to win most improved. We all thought that he would have won more on most approve if he wasn't hurt. Well, he was. So he'll average 25. Chat, spam it up. Who won?

Yeah. Say it on a time. Say 26. No. No. I would not And that's the end of that Next thing we got

We have While you guys spam up Who won the draft We're going to start The main topic this episode Which is 45 minutes in And we're just now getting To the main topic

That is going to be of negative record You know we're going to do Our NBA wish list for this season Everything we want to see Donovan, you go first What is the first thing you want to see This season as a fan? I would like for the New York Knicks

to get a solid option at the center position now there's been a lot of talk about julius randall potentially potentially playing the five and really and really it would just be he would play five on offense OG would guard up and OG would guard fives right yeah I'm like I am okay with that but at the same time you look at the at the at the roster and you look at our depth with no Hartinstein, you have Mitchell Robinson, who's going to be out for a long, long time again. Wait, still? Yeah, he's not starting the season.

Yeah. Yeah. He's not going to be, he's not going to be ready. We brought, we still have Jericho Sims there, and we have precious to chew it. I would like for us to get some more depth there, another, another option, because even if we use Randall as the five for the closing lineups, for the other, you know, 30-something minutes of the game, just having a legitimate center, a legitimate big body who can, who can be there and fill that role, I think will be fantastic and really round out everything.

And now, listen, if precious a chewer decides that he can make layups this season, all power to him. But until I see that from him, I would like another center. And if they get, and if they get that, they will be the most complete team in the NBA. Nah, I think Tim's got something for you. He'll just hit up Todd Gibson. Good all right. You know, Taz, you want a quick minimum real quick?

Let him retire. He has the pension already. He's been in the league. Like, let him chill. He has a pension. It's crazy. But no, I would go as far as to say they have to get into their center, whether it be at the deadline, a deal for someone or a buyout guy.

I think it would be not disastrous because they have so much talent they could live, but it would be an extremely glaring hole. if they went to a playoff series with only Mitchell Robinson or if they went to the second half of the year because if everybody was healthy and you had Mitch and then like you said Julius Brando

backup minutes that's fine for most playoff teams right you cannot Mitchell Robinson is not most centers that guy will get injured like he is good for one a year he's very good when he's on the court like you're comfortable with him being your starter

but you also must be comfortable with the fact that there will be many games in which he is not your starter because he is injured so you need an insurance policy of some sort Sean Holmes, you are in New York, Nick. Congratulations. Listen, I just, like, obviously, I'm very confident in what we can do this season.

But at a certain point, we're going to have to go through Philly. At a certain point, we're going to have to play Milwaukee, right? Like, those teams, we're going to have to face them. We're going to have to play, you know, Cleveland, who has two centers. Obviously, not crazy, offensively talented, like, and Veeton and Janus, but whatever. You've got big bodies. you in a playoff series you need to be able to throw bodies at these star guys and so we saw last year whether it was indeed or if it's you know trying to guard janis just being able to say like okay

you get three fouls new guy you come in and you you make you know life hard and i don't i don't want that defensive pressure to be on og and yes he can yes he can guard fives he can guard up in size I don't I don't want him to do that all game long I want him and Mikhail to be perimeter defense for sure, demon especially because listen I talked about Mr. Robinson is good for an injury every year OG's not far behind him OG's not exactly durable I don't want to throw him to the wolves

Exactly if you get into a situation where OG's gone And Mitch isn't gone Now you're you're running the Nova lineup with with Randall And again, That can be very helpful, but you just need more size. And so that's the number one thing I'm hoping for this year. Yeah, I agree. Just because OG has shown time and time again that he can guard bigger players

and be just okay, fine on the post, you don't want that to happen because of his history. And although we know, like, you know, who Tibbs is, he'll put you out there throughout regardless. He tranquilized O. Jener-Nobie with, like, donkey meat and was like, okay, donkey meat, and we saw him just chuck up at three. and then just, like, barely prance across the court. So it's dangerous. It'll get real spooky as the season goes on, maybe towards the back half of the season. But as in now, it's fine.

But when it comes to playoff talk, I agree with you 100%. Yeah. Okay. Mo, what is your first thing on your wish list that you want to see happen this year? Okay. First thing on my wish list. Big picture, just health. I have a few players under that who just, I feel like they need to remain healthy or else.

the rest of their big here is not going to be bad but in terms of like where they stand it's going to be really spooky the mellow ball for the love of god can he be healthy we saw him go crazy for the first i don't know 11 15 games of the season maybe 20 and then of course he went out within he didn't went down with another lower body injury and that's been that dude did what he usually does during the off season got healthy got more VC which equals more tattoos and all that other cool beings love to see it but can you be on the course can you be one of the like a lock to be one of the 10 best guards so you can in the entire ambias you can lift up this organization from the shambles that they've been in dot their entire history that's some of all the ball's job he's the most he's the player who i want to see him remain healthy number one on top of this list and then of course you have like the darius garlands of the world you could also say like one wish whoa whoa wish subcategory overall he said overall he said Overall, big pick out. So it's like Lamello, he's the face of that, but then you can throw in the Darius, Garlands, and beat. I hope your knees stay worse, stay right, and then the Miami heat.

Okay. Need help, though, in general. I hope everybody says healthy. That's a good wish. I agree. I hope all is well in the world. We cure world injury. That'd be nice.

But focusing on Lamello specifically, I think that's a good one to focus on. Listen, last year, I made the mistake of picking them to be a playing team. I only did that because I expected Lemello ball. to be healthy for an entire year and that was a foolish foolish decision it hasn't happened in quite a while i'm past the point of expecting it to happen but that would be like what's the word i want to say

it wouldn't change the league because they're just the hornets but that would do a lot for it would change the standing of the bottom half of the league you know if the hornets could actually have legitimately have two stars two stars like they wouldn't be bottom after the league 12 seed that would shift the playoff dynamic if they could be in the playing race again and have two actual good young stars of complimentary pieces like they're going to ask for ass with the hawks

it sounds like nothing it sounds like nothing but if you send a team from the bottom of the fucking league into that middle tier like that changes the competitiveness of the conference so a lot he his health can change a lot about the Eastern conference weirdly yeah okay I agree

it's not bad that's really wishing for world peace And we're hungry We're at it too, bro Too much food out here But I'm with you I would love the hornets to be good And listen

Charles Lee seems that could be a good coach He's talked about instilling defense in them We'll see what that happens They have some infrastructure Mark Williams is a room protector Brandon Miller should be a good defender They have some pieces there to be competent It really comes down to their star point guard

I agree What's your first thing on your wish list Which one do I want to start with Let's say on the topic of young teams my first wish is that we get some justice for Cade Cunningham Ooh, that was on my list too Yeah, it has to be There is a viral tweet where somebody was quoting

episode of the newest Zach Lowell podcast Where he was talking about he's not selling his stock Same way we do, right? He said, if somebody put the over under on 2.5 All-Star appearances for Kaye Cunningham in his career He'd picked the over So he doesn't expect him to be first team all-N-Ba One of the best players in the world anymore

But he expects him to eventually be an all-star multiple times And somebody quoted on Twitter and was like, damn, Zach Lowe's washed. This is crazy. Like, Cade's nothing. Like, he was getting slandered all over the timeline. And there's just so much negative perception around Cade Cunningham, even among people that typically are smart enough to know better

and know how much team context matters, people have kind of went too far the other way and said, like, listen, we gave him his opportunity, we gave him the excuses for a couple of years, now he might just suck. It's so dramatic. And I just really hope we get at least one year of him with competent coaching, which, you know, we talk about the spacing a lot.

A competent coach, going to go a long way. The stuff that Monty Blumes was doing last year was basketball terrorism to Kate Cunningham's PR. The two big linens I watch with Jalen Duren and what's the name 101 to fight LeBron, Isaiah Stewart as Power Forward. Those linemen made me want to vomit. Watching King Cunningham run a pick and roll with those two guys stand down low was atrocious. So all I want is competency around Kid Cunningham. Give him a chance to show he's a star because thus far he's has stood no chance of doing anything productive. I 10010% agree with you.

I wrote that last word that you just said, Isaac, I wrote down productive season for the Pistons because over the last few years, they've done literally nothing to improve their roster, wholeheartedly speaking. And I think this last off season, bro, signing Tobias Harris and adding Tim Hardway Jr. is the most...

That's good stuff. That's good stuff, though. Over the last few years, it's going to help hopefully. It is. It is. It is. You, like, you're not going from, from the worst team in the league to succeed in the conference overnight. Like you have you have to take steps. And when you have a majority of your starting lineup as guys who can't shoot,

you just drafted another guy who can't really shoot. You have to be able to go get shooters and to get proven guys like Tobias and Tim Hardaway. Just in the fact that you know they are never going to be the second or third option on like the championship team. They are competent NBA players. Exactly. And that is exactly what you need. And I agree with you guys because also, this was also on my list. I wrote down one of my wishes is for Cade Cunningham to have some semblance of success.

So everybody's on board. Yeah, nobody's wishing them to be a good team. Nobody has that outlandish idea on their head. It's just for him. It's just Cade Cunningham. Yeah. You're right. It's so funny.

We don't need great. We don't need a good supporting cast. We need good enough for him to get him. Get motherfucking numbers. That's all we need him to prove his standing. Prove he deserves his contract. Don't care if they win games. Don't care if they have a good offense.

Just let him cook. Yeah, I 110% agree. And some things that can help the Pistons take that next step to allow Kate Cunningham to cook is first and foremost, A, like, pick something to be really good at. They're not good at defense, rebounding, spacing his ass. They can't shoot. Pick something. Pick something to be really good at. and put you all into it.

And then also pick a two guard for the future. That's an identity. Exactly. It goes back to coaching. And then also pick a two guard for the future, whether it's like Jaden Ivy, hopefully that experience runs its course and they just let him flourish somewhere else.

Or if you want to fully invest into Ron Holland, please do that. Please do that. Ors R.S.R. Whatever it is, whatever it looks like, please pick a young player to fully invest in. And don't half-ass, like don't give each and every single one of them a little bit of attention.

Yeah. chat i want to see you guys how many all-star games you think k kodingham is going to make in his career let me see that in the chat so whether it be zero one three whatever spam how many also do you think he'll make but time he retires it's tough man i i i agree with the sentiment of what zacklow was saying because i mean we the other day we were you know doing during the game when we were looking at old draft evaluations and the stuff that people were talking about with kate was like franchise changing you know this this insane kind of playmaker volume score all this stuff like the expectations were super super high so obviously i i feel like that talent is still there and he

still is fairly young but i don't know if the situation is going to allow him to get more than two i would if the line is at two and a half i'm still taking the under but i do think that he would be productive for the rest of his career and listen If he shouldn't, I understand, get your money, he should not have signed that extension. You should have played on that qualifying offer and got him out of Detroit because it is tough. Yeah, man. Yeah. All right, Donovan, what's your next wish for the season?

Let's see, let's see. We went through K, we went through the Knicks. Chad's high on K. That's been five, seven, eight. Seven is kind of outlandish a little bit. He's 22 years old. And the Pistons have made no progress. he's not getting eight he's not getting eight

eight is impossible too late you'd have to be an all-star this year and like clearly to a point where he'd get it every year until he's 31 like this would have to be the year he makes a leap which is not impossible but I wouldn't bet every every every year until year until year 31 is like a lot you have to be like so durable

like CP3 Westbrook like type of good like that type of leap to see that type of consistency in the all-star game just can happen in in in Detroit there's not going down yeah I think people also people like underest me how hard that is like it seems like there's all these perennial all stars i have all these ones but i think dame has like seven he was in the last year i don't know if you won this year like it's hard to get to like eight nine is there's so much

yeah like i don't try young's probably going to barely like hop into eight or not by the time as any of three years over eight or not that just goes to show like how hard it is to be yeah for sure for sure you want to complain so badly no i'm not i'm not complaining We were robbed last year of an individual and an individual performance. And one thing that I want to see, can we see Zion Williamson in a playoff series? Zion Williamson was doing everything that everybody had always asked with him. He was showing up. He was being the leader of that team.

The pelicans were running the offense through him. They were in a playing game. was given the Lakers 40 they were they were on track to win that game and it was going to be because of Zion Williamson and because of his performance and we were going to see the pelicans in the first round against the thunder I think that the thunder still still would have won but it would have been funded to see Zion go up against that team we are getting closer and closer we're getting you know healthy and healthier seasons of Zion we're seeing the the pelicans start to realize this is kind of how you build around a guy like that now why they make moves that go against that

still you understand you understand that he's the guy all i want to see i don't care if they're the eight seed i don't care if they're the six seed i want to see four to five games of zion williamson in a playoff situation i want to see them against playoff defenses and against teams that scheme for him for you know for two weeks straight that's all i want to see and if we get it I will be so, so happy because it's about time that we see Zion on that stage. And that's one of the biggest things I want this year. I am with you. And I've been banging on the Zion drums since we started the podcast.

I'm as high on him as anybody in the comments. Routinely let us hear about it because all the haters constantly get fuel because he constantly gets injured and constantly is held back from developing as much as you can, constantly held back from leading a team in the playoff setting, which, no matter what you do in the regular season, PR is entirely defined but what you do in the playoffs. People forget so fast

what your performances are from October through May if you don't do it in the playoffs. And for him, your whole career is based on bad injury luck. The second something goes well for you and you have the game of your career,

bad injury luck strikes. So all it's done is fully reaffirm everything anybody's ever thought. If you've hated on him, congrats, you've been right thus far. I just hope you wrong. I hope, fuck you. And I hope that everything goes wrong with your agenda.

That's what I think. Man, that's not personal. My God. I don't understand. We've gone, bro, we've gone through the whole summer. And so you obviously get the old highlight tapes. And it's crazy because the, we're moving out of like, we see, you know, the Derek gross up, but we're moving out of that generation.

And you're getting to a generation of people who saw Zion Williamson at Duke. in 2018 to 2019, who was doing 360 windmills, who was jumping from the edge of the paint to the corner to block shots. You saw one of the most athletic people you've ever seen. And you've seen that the highlights and like, man, man, what happened to this guy? Forget, forget Duke Zion, bro. Two years ago, we saw him be first team all-MBA level.

He was playing like a top five player in the world before he got injured. You didn't say that. It wasn't, we need to see Duke Zion come. seen it. We saw it for several months. He was literally playing as one of the best players in the world. Then this past season came around and they didn't entirely play through him. For most of the year, the first half of the season, they weren't playing Point Zion at all. They were kind of playing around everybody else. Probably because they know they had to prepare for a world

in which he gets hurt so they didn't want to be too reliant on him. And that kind of slowed down that narrative of him being one the best players in the world when he's healthy. But second half of the year, they went more towards that and he erupted again. Like, even if that type of jumping ability never comes around, it's once again like the Luca thing he's still the best player he's ever been despite not being quite as bouncy as he once was and we've seen him in the NBA

and we'll barrel into anybody like it's still extremely hard to get to get rebounds over his eye it's hard to stop him from getting to the rim it's hard to stop him from being successful when you have a literal freight train be barreling at you that's all I want to see

I just want to see them I want to see him in a playoff series dude just two years or three years ago in his second year in the NBA we saw him put up 27 points on like 60% shooting from the field or whatever as a second year player unheard of unforeseen stuff like he's never had zero regular development periods never had a full healthy season to work through his kinks and develop 82 games I don't even know how many healthy off seasons he's had very little he's had such little time to improve himself he's basically been this good like you said since year two which was a essentially year one for him, he's been this good off the gates and just has another opportunity to show it in a playoff setting. But it's just crazy that think about how good he was as essentially a rookie. If he had the regular development curve of a regular star player, we would be looking at a top five to eight player in the world right now, I think. Yes, exactly. Like him, like Luke, the last few players in my mind who had like an insane first to second year leap are guys

like Luca Donchich Tray Young put up 28 points per game in the second year two I'm just speaking fucking facts I did not lie but you get the point but what makes me even

like more mad is seeing how they're actively going against what works for Zion in terms of what happened you could go on your but you're about to name my second wish, too? Yes, they actively going against what works for Zahn in terms

is just like adding in another ball handler who's dominating the ball and taking the ball out of his hands and also not having no center like behind him to do things that he needs a center to do. I'm glad you said this. My second wish for the season, my second wish for the season is for the pelicans to please make a fucking trade. I don't even care what it is.

Make a trade. Do a move. Be brave. Do something uncomfortable. ship one of your favorite employees elsewhere let me see it happen stand up they have a ridiculous roster now it was already super loaded with perimeter players we were already saying they need to trade somebody to let trey murphy start because it is clear as day that he compliments zion so perfectly and needs to be a long-term player next to him and what did they do they traded nobody

and added another perimeter player that must start into jante murray who is also a a bad fit with Brandon Ingram and Zion Williamson theoretically. Now people were talking about who are they going to start, who are they going to bench? People are like maybe they'll bench, Tray Murphy and C.J. McCollum. They're only good shooters. Like, the roster makes no sense. Daniel Tykes might start at center.

Fucking Zion my start at center. Who knows what are their guard situations looking like? What are we doing? Probably going to be on the bench again. It's all nonsense. And last year they got away with a lot of nonsense because they had extremely good defensive coaching with Willie Green and they managed to have a top 10 defense despite having strange talent out there.

I wouldn't expect that it happened again. I think you're playing with fire if you think you can go out there and say fuck fit for two years in a row. Yeah, David Griffin. Yeah, David Griffin in the offseason. This is what he said. I think in the past we've always aired on the side of continuity. And our takeaway has always been, let's see this group healthy. Now I think we've seen this group enough.

We had a really good opportunity to see Zion play a career high in games. We saw it for segments of time well enough to understand that we've got a lot of work to do. he said that and the biggest thing that he did was to bring in to jante murray and not make major major changes when you say something like that of oh yeah we've seen this entire group work together and yeah there's still a lot of work to do and you basically keep that team together you haven't done anything right you said that to the media which is wild it's wild honest for a GM to talk like that be about it like please Do something.

Something that we've said time and time again is like, damn, bro. Like, we don't have like that many dumb DMs anymore like that. They're still here. They exist. Our dumb detector is going off. Weir, weir, we're, where, where, where, where, where. Dummy alert. We got him.

You can't hide no more. Had a lot of positive PR after what he did with the Cavs because LeBron James came home. All I'm saying is since then, it hasn't been too pretty since then. Shout up, Brian, getting more people pay. Yeah. Man, Mo, what is your next wish for the season? Ah, okay. So back to my list.

My next wish for this season is to see the Denver Nuggets, development, guys in training, the young ones, the Julian Strachers of the world. The young ones. Yeah. The Peyton Watson's of the world. Christian Bron. of the world. Can you please step up and do something because you have one of the 10, 12, 15, so I don't rustle no feathers, one of the 20 best players of all time in your hands at the peak of his powers.

And your organization, the front office, just aren't on the same page at all because of the continuous important key pieces. They just offload, offload twice now over the last two years. So one of these young guys need to hit. And it needs to have. happened this season or else they're going to not be in steep trouble, obviously, but it's going to be glaring holes on this roster. I think steep trouble is real, though, you know? I think that's a, I think like, you're right. If you have Nicole Eokic at the peak of his powers and for the last two off seasons, you keep getting rid of key pieces from the championship run and those, you know, that production

isn't being replaced. Yeah, you're in big trouble. So that was Zion's ears perked up and you said Nuggets? What is wrong with y'all? Normally those jokes don't acknowledge, but that was funny. But yeah, no, you're right. When you are the Denver Nuggets and you have the best player your franchise has ever had,

it should be slanderable offense to not prioritize winning in every way you can, to not foot the bill and deal with the consequences later. Like, when you know you have a title window and you make a move to make that window smaller and to not maximize it like it's not like something

was out of their control they chose to make their chances of winning the NBA finals lesser. That's egregious. Like you should be criticized to hell you should hate to turn on your radio

because every talk radio host in the city wants your fucking head on a spike. 100% Yeah, I hope I hope we can get like a version of of the nuggets this season that like we get to where we get to February and we get past the

all-star break and we're looking at them as a championship contender because of what they've done throughout the season rather than pedigree right and so I hope that like the results are actually tangible this year instead of like oh no you know they're they're the nuggets and they have yokeets so we just trust them I want to something a little bit more concrete than that Yeah. Chat, what C do you expect the Nuggets to be this year? Knowing they lost KCP. That's a good question. Knowing they're going to start Christian Brown, maybe Peyton Watson,

somebody internally they've already had on the roster, knowing Dayron Holmes is going to miss his entire rookie year. What's C are you expecting? That's tough because they had a first-arm pick that could have been an impactful player and his leg fell off before he touched the fucking court. Like, they were in a rough spot that didn't have to be this rough, but they came into it and forced themselves to rely on these young guys, and they have one less young guy at their disposal.

Yeah, they did something productive. of like historically since you call it Nicole who has been that guy they've always had a terrible backed up center you know we would see you know the second rarely the second that Nicole which would go down with injury thankfully has not had any of those issues one of the more durable players in the league we have to see reggie jackson and dionja jordan take over the show and that is not a great sight to see had one good a number one good game how old is reggie jackson he's i think he's on he's on the sixers now but he's probably like 36 now or something like that i don't know he's a baller though pure hooper

someone said yokech is a low-key ironman facts and that's what they're relying on and know it's annoying they know that and that's why they felt comfortable letting somebody go when they could have kept them to save the money and blame it on the second apron because they know for a fact yokech is going to be good enough he's going to care enough he's going to be able to bail them out in a regular season setting and make it look like the decision wasn't too bad and that's annoying like maximize him and don't don't use him as a bailout you know but also so i'm looking this up so Reggie Jackson is 34. Did y'all know his nickname was big, was big government?

He has several names. That's crazy. Is he from D.C. or something? Why is it? What is that? I don't know. Where's he from? He's from, it says he was born in Italy.

He went to Boston College. He went to high school in Colorado Springs. This man is everywhere. That man is missing worldwide. Okay. You got a hell of Reggie Jackson facts today. Born in Italy is crazy. I mean, my basketball reference.

they have all the facts it's almost a fed my next wish list item is I hope and I pray and I wish that we can see at least one more season of vintage Damian Lillard

I came into last season expecting to see one of the most exciting cantilizing duos of my NBA lifetime and I was met with disappointment as he was going through a myriad of personal issues fitness issues, fit issues

that lets us seeing a watered down-ass version of what we expected. And he's talked about these issues at length in a very honest fashion that Leesden believe there's a good chance he overcomes him for this one more year before he has the fate of every small guard and they fall off around the age of 35.

That's going to happen eventually to him like it does to everybody else of that archetype. But just please, give me one year of elite 30 point per game Damien Lillard next to Yannis so we can see them firing on all cylinders. Because we were talking about them as like, oh my God, this might be modern-day baby version of Kobe and Shaq.

Like, we might see one of the best scoring guards in the league with the most dominant interior force. That is an archetype we've seen so few times across NBA history. It's really just Kobe and Shaq, and then I don't even know. Like, we didn't see Steph play with an elite score down low like that. We didn't see any of the other elite scores play with a guard like that. Like, Dwight and Kobe could have been that, but they failed. Like, very few opportunities to see that type of scoring, just chemistry.

Please, one season. It's very interesting because low-key, I think that this might be the most important storyline or thing to monitor in the entire NBA because if Dame is not Dame and the bucks are looking around and it's like, hey, we just went all in to get Dame in here. We gave up a lot of our flexibility for the coming years and we don't have anything to show for it in terms of having a legitimate championship contender. that starts to get very spooky yonis starts to look around and it doesn't matter what contract he signed any NBA player right now if they're unhappy if they're truly unhappy with this with the situation they will say trade me and so now you have a potential domino effect where if dame is not him yonis could be on the move and could be looking elsewhere and then obviously the balance of power shifts if that happened so i think there's there's so much riding on on dame being

game this year. And inversely, if it does work, we're looking at a team that coming into last year, we were talking about in the same breath as the Celtics. It wasn't coming to the year. It wasn't the Celtics are clearly going to dominate the East. It was the Celtics and the Bucks will dominate the East. Which one do you expect to win the Western, the Eastern Conference Finals? You know, like, there was a difference of opinion. Obviously, the Celtics ended up being the right answer there for different reasons, but it was viewed as a competition. And maybe those days are past them just because all their other players are a year older, and maybe they don't have quite the ceiling of a Celtics

because very few teams in the history of the NBA have that type of regular league season ceiling. But they could be a good source of competition out there. So whether they crash and fail and Janus is changing the landscape of the NBA or they succeed and they're changing the current landscape at the Eastern Conference for at least one year,

that is a huge swing factor either way. All eyes on you, Doc Rivers, to help figure this shit out and maximize your guys. All eyes are on my fellow big forehead brethren, Gary Tren, Jr., I need you to knock some shit down. I thought you were going to say Chris Middleton. All eyes on Chris Middleton, too.

I know you're not talking to me, boy. Let's flip your hair out right now. Let's flip your hair up and do win in the game right now. We're not going to play this game. We're not playing this game. You will lose. You will lose. I will lose, but Isaac, you've been Scott-free for too long.

Your time will come. but um who else are all eyes on yeah just mainly the whole team the whole team broke lopez to see if or i feel like the whole world's way down to him to fall off because he's so old and like still okay doing all of all of all the good things that's not looking pretty for them yeah and pretty at all and there's so much uh yonness is that weird point of his career too where one more year of being injured for a playoff run or just having a lacklesser result whether it be because of him

or because of the people around him not being up to par, he's at risk of falling out of those conversations at the top of the league. People are being real quick to call Luca the second best player in the world right now and obviously if Joelle and Bede wins anything ever in his career he'll be in those conversations as well.

People are going to forget about Janus pretty soon if he doesn't give somebody a reason to remember them. We talked about it earlier when we were talking about Zion. No matter what you do in the regular season, and how special it is, the average fan is going to remember you based on what you do in a playoff setting. And it's been quite a while

since we saw him thrive in the playoff setting. So maybe it is another version of Dame not being good enough or Chris Mothen not being healthy enough and Yonis fails again. I don't know if he's a type to care about that and how people view him around the league, but I think most players of that caliber

don't want to be viewed that way. So that could be another reason that you quickly see him get frustrated with the situation. If this doesn't pan out in some way and they don't at least have like a very good run to at least being, close to making the finals or even recent finals in my mind, this is going to be one of the biggest disappointments over the last like five to six years.

Oh yeah, yeah, definitely. If this duo does not work, it'll be just a disappointing as the 2021 Nets, whenever we all thought they would have walked to the finals. Now, granted, we saw them be high level and just not because of injury, so it's a little different. This would actually make this more disappointing because we never even saw it be good. Yeah. This would make it even worse because we never once saw them be dominant.

Thanks All right I think I have I think I have one more I would like For my French son To get Defensive Player of the Year

Damn you want Zacharice's he to do that In year one That's crazy I want him to get Defensive Player of the Year And I want him to What I would like to see

Second Team All-NBA Okay explain Not much money that it's going to take No, I understand That is it it's a very very high bar to ask for the spurs to make a jump like that I think that like listen DPOI Right now obviously barring barring injury It's kind of locked up

I think it's it's very fair to say that it is victors to lose Oh yeah The narrative is all there The narrative is primed and ready for it's there I don't There is it would take one of the great, not only like statistical and impact, but also visual seasons for Rudy Gobert to get defensive player of the year again. Like he would have to, he would have to move the way that like a young to keep, he would have to, you know, be running like a gazelle just

jumping, blocking shots into the third row. It would have to look so much different than how it has for people to to look at him and be like, yeah, he's going to get DPOI. When Vic is out here blocking shots like there was an there was an argument for the second half of the year that they could have been very very you know heavy in that race and i think that was second in voting he was second as a rookie with a full year that is his award to lose i think the big jump for him would be is the scoring going to come around is the fact that you have actual playmaking on your team now is that going to propel you so far forward that you can get your offense to a level that can get you to second team of all NBA.

And the fact that Embed is always hurt and he might be load managed this year because they're just trying to get him to the playoffs, is he going to get to 65? I'm not sure, but Big might. And so I think that there is a small window where he can get there. Chat, let me see, yes or no.

Is Donovan doing backflips on it? Yes or no. Let me see it in the chat. Spam it up. Come on, now. Come on, man. The whole point in this podcast is to have dialogue. You know what I'm saying?

It's not a conversation. So they were calling you a glazer in the chat. Left your mouth off, man. You said you love to see him get second team. Honestly, I would love to see him when Luca did and get first team in the second year. See, I didn't think that was possible with Yolkich out here. I didn't think it was possible when Luca did it either.

But you never know. When Luca did it, we had Prime, Steph Curry, and James Hardin in the league at the same time. and Luca came out in 2019 and got First Team All-N-B-A as a second-year player. Apparently anything is possible. If it's just wish list, not necessarily what we expect. That's true. I would love to see Victor Women-Yama do the same exact thing.

That's true. If we want to, yes, I will amend my wish, and I want to see First Team All-N-B-A and DPOI from Victor Women-Yama this season. That is disgusting, glazing, man. Okay. Shout out to Jack for donating $3 and $433. cents another specific donation love to see it he said i think wimby is capable of getting the first ever quintuple double i 100% agree he's been close to it you said what the hell tulle 10 steals and 10

blocks is that what that would require oh it's a quintuple double yeah quintuple not quadruple yeah points rebounds this block steals now that is glazed that is glazed right there jack okay i think that he's gonna he's gonna reinvent the quadruple double as a common thing in the same way Russell Westbrook did the triple double, obviously not to that volume because it's a harder thing to do, but I think he'll be Mr. Quadruple double for sure. Yeah. And if he's not going to be Mr. Quadruple double,

he'll be Mr. like, goddamn 566 or whatever, like close it up to it. Yeah, he's going to need so many five-by-fives. That's, no, he's going to get so many. I guarantee you he's going to lead the all-time leaders of 5-by-fives and he retires. I'll put money. You can't really bet on that, but I guarantee you that. Oh, I find a person. I got you.

Oh my gosh You have a problem What's your next wish list? I don't have a problem It's a hobby I'll be hockey my watch I'll be selling my championship rings I enjoy

Speaking of Glaze One thing that I do need to witness This season I don't know if it will happen Considering the roster changes made. Russell changes really mean

the non-lack of changes that were made. I need to see one more good LeBron year, elite LeBron year. This might be... What qualifies

as good LeBron year? I need him to at least to get to the Western Congress finals and have like... I got some bad news for you.

Why are you laughing at my day? God damn. I need one of those So a memory. Real quick. Real quick. Something in the chat said,

I know Donovan's a married man, but I think Wemby is right there. They said Wempe's the second most important woman in your life. That's ridiculous, man. But I'm with you, Mo, man. Coincidentally, my last wishless item is also Lakers related to the surprise of absolutely fucking no one. It's going to be that.

My greatest wish list is right. This needs to happen for years to happen. my wish list is I hope that JJ Reddick is smarter than Darvinham I just hope that him listen we know no coaching experience of any kind

absolutely zero experience on that bench maybe it'll matter maybe it won't I don't know but what I can tell you is he's smart he knows basketball

listen being a podcaster doesn't exactly translate to coaching but being a smart NBA mind being a smart NBA mind does and he had that as a player he had that as an analyst I expect that to translate as a coach because I think that would translate

across any basketball-related job. So I'm hoping my biggest wish list is that that translates right away and we see him do all the low-hanging fruit, smart guy stuff that Darvindham didn't do. We see him maximize the roster to the best he possibly can.

There would be some hiccups, like we said, never coach a team. They'll probably be bad at late-game execution of time-out, stuff like that you gain from only experience. Maybe the management of personnel will be a little bit wonky with him running a locker room.

But X's and nose-wise, just please be competent and please put this team in a better position to actually make that conference finals run that Mo wants to see in terms of like the coaching experience hopefully his coaching staff he picked really wisely and all that uh because that'll help solve all those kinks and the way who is on the staff times when he does absolutely zero through oh okay and i think Lionel hollins that's some other former net's coach i forget who there's two former head coaches on that's that's not that's that's good that's a that's a good staff yeah and then And there's some other people you've never heard of.

I think, I forget, he has a woman with WMBA experience. I forget her name. And then a couple other young coaches that I don't know of, but two former head coaches. Okay, I like that. The only thing that scares me about this Lakers roster starting this season is just like, I love Austin and D'Angelo. Oh, he has your bands. He has milk dud on the bench.

Nate McMillan? Oh, it's over. Not Lionel Hollins. I pull that on my ass. It was McMillan, not Hollins. yeah he has made scott brooks yeah last time i said check milk doug macmillan was on the uh oh no never mind that's the other coach uh oh i shot them i guess shot them i listen i have no clue but it's experience but it's experience yeah it is experience it is experience the only thing that's

scary me is like i as much as i love seeing delo and austin ruse maxwell like maxwell i do see you what did he say just talking to chat real quick he's got Maxwell was asking a question for the past like 30 minutes and everyone's hyping him up to keep asking

because we're not acknowledging it and he's like my bad y'all I give up that's hilarious right you are seeing my though thank you for spamming but yeah

hopefully I want to see some type of transaction when it comes to that backport specifically because I just don't see any type of success when those two leading guards can get ran through defensively maxwell I said I see you

Not that I want to talk about Derek Rose. Those are two different sentences. I don't care about the topic, but I do see you and I appreciate you. It might be over for Derek Rose. That is my comment. Oh, he did get waived. He did get waived today. Wow.

Theminesse is talking about it. I have no thoughts on the matter, but appreciate you commenting. You don't have thoughts. I do. Derek Rose, your impact in the envy will be felt forever. Legend. Your shoes hard as hell. Shout to D. Rose.

I have nothing nice. to say so say nothing at all listen the crazy lights were fire I did I did have a pair that was nice but wouldn't it be funny though going back to JJ if he just did dumb X's and O stuff

I like he was bad yeah like like obviously there's the part of me that wants that because I don't like the Lakers but the comedic aspect of him being you know like the smart podcast and the smart basketball guy and then he gets out there

and it's just the dumbest things that you ever see. It would be very funny. And I kind of want to see it. Real question. I think games just awful. If he gets fired, if that was to happen, don't wish on it for nobody. Would he return back to podcasting?

Oh, immediately. I mean, instantly. He has a flourishing business in the media world. He's going back to that right away. Yeah. You know how awkward that would be? No, it's not. People get fired every day.

Facts. Mm. Lizzie, give it a try You know, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay, we'll keep that between us. But no, it would be, it would be funny if it was just like Tutsletter for 10 games. that's the end of our wish list that's everything we got

I wish I'll be healthy there I'm done the next thing we're gonna do another TikTok we're here with another game for you guys we know us what you guys like to see I'm gonna start bringing them into the lives as much as I can

and today we're gonna have these guys guest NBA teams by the college the players went to we've done this many times over the years Mo this is all you this is all you fresh season fresh lineups

with some new personnel moved around. And to make it difficult, two players are going to be question marks instead of one. So you only get three players. It's going to be difficult. This is tough. Yeah, Mo, get it in your bag. This is your time. Back up, point me when I need direction. Rather than that, I got you. So first off, who is this team? We have one NC State Power Forward, a Kansas Center, and a Kansas small forward. You don't know the guards. wow okay who went to kansas who went to kansas who's like popular there's joel and bade who went to kansas uh what's his name oh you're wigan into kansas that wait no okay see i thought i thought it could have been kelly ubre because

kelly ubre he did go to kansas but the nc state would throw it off because paul george went to fresno state So it can't be him. Wait, but if he's playing the, but when he played the two? Is this the Philadelphia 76ers? This is the Philadelphia 76ers. That is Caleb Martin as their starting power forward. Wait, really? Caleb Martin is really?

Caleb Martin's small ball power forward is the future of the 76ers. Love it or hate it. Okay. Not bad. Not bad. Chad knew that one. I saw a little bit in the chat. I got my eyes on you.

Caleb Martin's starting power for you. If that doesn't happen, Isaac, I'm coming for your knees. I mean, listen, I don't know. You have Paul George, Cald Libre, and Caleb Martin as the 2-4. I don't know what order they're going to be listed as, but something of this sort.

Okay. Okay. Next up, who is this team? Got Arkansas at Center, PowerFord, Kansas, I mean, Kentucky, and Washington State at Small Ford. Washington State. Okay, Arkansas Center. See, there's only

There's not a lot of I'm trying to Especially as bigs There's really not a lot of people From Washington State And there's one player that I know From Washington State Listen, this is a sniper right there

That's Clay Thompson And this is the Dallas Mavericks Who's from Arkansas though? Derek Lidwold from there I don't know about my Is Daniel Gaffer from there? That's only that could make sense Dallas Mavericks.

Okay. There you go. Daniel Gaffer would throw you off by putting him and not lively, but you guys got it. Yeah. If, okay, you're, you're a jackass for that.

That should be Derek lively. He's just harder, what do you want for me? Their jackasses for not starting living the playoffs. I didn't tell him to. That's fair. I guess.

I guess, I guess, I guess. I guess. Yeah, do that one really easily. Listen, Clay Thompson was a day giveaway for that one, but I feel like Kirk, Kyrie would have been a giveaway as well as a duke guard.

So, yeah. She'd made that one, Carter. That was good. That was good. Next up, who is this team? Oh, this is the one and only Orlando Magic. You got

you got Powell, uh, Wendell Carter Jr. over there for Duke. Then there's Franz Boggart and he went to Michigan with his big bro. And then there's Jaylen Suggs. That's easy. Correct. This is the Orlando Magic. That one was I got to lock in. We got to go slower. I got to go slower.

Three question marks. I got to be dumb a little bit. That one's easy. Next up, who is this team? This one, I feel like this one's kind of hard. A Washington point card. Oh, you got it. This is not hard.

This is not hard. This is one of the most frustrating teams of the entire NBA, bro. I get these guys. Go ahead. This is the New Orleans Pelicans. Screw them. Yes, sir. Damn.

This is New Orleans. Pelicans and the rookie center from Baylor University. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. I was, I was, I was kind of throwing off for a second, but then I remembered DeJante Murray, Seattle guy, Washington guy, make sense up top. See, I was hoping you guys didn't know where DeJonter Murray went to college. That's a little bit deeper of a cut.

I didn't know. I didn't know that he went to Washington, but it was just a guess because he's from that state. Okay. He's from the area. Okay. Somebody said, Indiana fever. All right, next up. Who is this team?

You're flying through this so far. Eventually, you've got to get one wrong, but I don't know. Okay, there's FSU. Oh, I know this as well. I'm in my bag right now. I'm not going to lie to you. FSU, there's not a lot of FSU bigs in general. Then there's Kentucky, and then I see that bird over there.

I ain't going to lie. This is the Toronto Raptor. Scotty Barnes, you cannot hide. from me. Emmanuel quickly, you are caught. Grady Dick. Salute to you.

More jersey swaps. This is the Toronto Raptors. Damn. See, I didn't, nobody in the chat said Raptors that time. I don't know if they knew that one. I think that one might throw it off chat.

Okay. They're saying it now after you already said it, but I think we got you guys with that one. You did get them for show. That's crazy. Yeah, you're probably going to have to put like three question marks now. man this is too easy okay let's see if mo can continue his reign of dominance who is this team

i know this team in a heartbeat too oh my god you shut the hell up donovan who is this team all right let's see let's see we got wake forth wake forest guard all all i let's see we got wake forest we got this we got that we got florida state we got north carolina there's only one guard that i know that is from wake force and and that's christ's christ Paul. So I'm just going to, I'm just going to guess that this is the San Antonio Spurs. This is the San Antonio Spurs. Damn. Running it up. Let's go. Oh, okay. Next one. Who is this team? Hmm. Okay, let's see. Arizona State.

Chad, you better get it fast shot. You better get it where they do. Oh, is this the, uh, I got, well, actually, I'm not 100% sure, but I'm going to guess just because there's not a lot of people from my recent memory that that is from USC you got a power forward there is this evimobly and the Cleveland Cavaliers this is definitely not the Cleveland Cavaliers yeah okay Arizona's throwing me off a little bit Texas Texas A&M a little bit more than anything genuinely throwing me off Texas A&M there's oh is this the Oklahoma City

Wait, no, no, no, no. No, because that's, because Caruso went to A&M, but therefore, obviously, isn't going to S.C. Someone said the Suns, Katie for life. Katie went to Texas, not Texas A&M, y'all. Damn.

Yeah, definitely not the Suns. Definitely not the Suns. And this is definitely not USC, by the way, so y'all are operating on a What is that? That's not U.S. That's Santa Clara. Oh, shit. Oh.

Oh, okay, see. Okay, C. There we go. There we go. I don't know why I was thinking USC. No, no, no, no. Oh, that looks very similar to the U.S. Yeah, it does. You should have locked in, but it does. That makes so much sense.

Yeah, Caruso went to Texas A&M. I'm just like, he's the only player who I knew who went there. And then I thought that was U.S.C. You know, but okay. No, that is Santa Clara. Get fucked. Ew, what's up what you want to fuck people? Good God, dude.

Hey, yeah, okay. All right, good Lord. You said it, man. Shut up. Who is his. team Ohio State Washington Kentucky Ohio State guards oh got you listen that that four that's Carl Anthony Towns that point guard that's Mike Conley this is the Minnesota Tim Wolves this is the Minnesota Tim Wolves I thought maybe you wouldn't know Mike Connolly went to

college that fast to see don't sleep don't sleep I don't know everything I know a couple I didn't know where he went to college. There we go. Good job. Damn. Okay, okay. Next one, who is this team? Is that also Santa Clara?

Yep, that's the same logo. And that means that that two is pods. That means that that center is Draymond Green, and that means that that Kansas player is Andrew Wiggins. So this is the Golden State Warriors. That it is. This game was entirely. There we go.

We got you figured out. We got you figured out At least I got over on you one time Because you guys don't know what a logo looks like That's the only thing I got for me Yeah I had to trickery Santa Clara

Three question marks that's crazy But apparently it's necessary I gotta do some benches That's what I gotta do Oh no that's nasty work Five-man bench unit is crazy He expects me to know where I don't know

Shannon Terk Nah, that's a wrong name. Whatever. Someone said y'all need to touch grass. What? We just know lightups. My bad. I know a lot of ball.

But okay. One last thing before we get out of here. One more segment. Donovan, I believe you have a debate topic for us to talk through. I do. So earlier today, the three of us... Donovan's debate of the day. What is it?

Yes. So earlier today, the three of us were having this conversation. And we're talking about, like, the top shooting guards in the league. And Mo said, that Devin Booker was one and that Anthony Edwards was two and that DeMitts was three and it got me thinking

is Anthony Edwards actually underrated because I know no no no no no short answer no long answer fuck no hear me out hear me out because obviously

there is a lot of glazing that goes on with Anthony Edwards but at the same time you have you have the other two guys in terms of like the top three in shooting guards devon booker great offensive guy i do think that people are now because of what he did in the olympics doing some revisionist history to his defense and they're saying like he is capable yes but we have not seen devon booker as like lockdown defenders the same way that we have seen anthony edwards get there especially in in moments and i think

that the two-way ability of Anthony Edwards is being a little bit underplayed where like DeMitch also like came it came into the league supposed to be a defensive guy but now he's a great offensive engine but still none of those two guys are the two-way guy that Anthony Edwards is and so I think that like we're overlooking that aspect and Andy Edwards might be the best shooting guard in the league and we just won't say it. People say that. it, though. Maybe Moe didn't say it. People will be saying it. So I don't know if, I don't know if underrated is the

verbiage here. But, okay, let's operate that assumption that you're right. He's underrated. Are you saying that right now, it's obviously, it's a toss-up, right? One through three, Anthony Edwards, Donovan-Mitchell, Devin, Booker is a debate on any order. So you're saying that he's underrated because you think he's outright, number one, and it's clear? Maybe, yeah. And, and I, listen, listen, listen, we're going to get, like obviously media day is around the corner I'm going to keep doing my my thinking and stuff like that but right now I do think that Anthony Edwards is the best shooting guard in the league

and okay I understand it's underrated because people generally have him in that combo which is not clear cut I think we're not giving him the the credit for what he has done um and in terms of like this this last year I think that I think that I think that that ant like the ability to have that skill as a defender specifically compared to the other two guys I think that aspect is being lost where like yeah he's like yes he does have have two-way like elite two-way potential and yes he's not doing it every single night but he is still a very very good like he's a he's a good defender you know yeah and he is for sure and that's why he's like conversation though because often i know but i i also think that we do this a lot with like

with two-way guys and you'll have a player and be like yeah he's the best you know two-way player in in the league and then you look up and you're like yeah but he's probably like you know the 10th best and i think that his that his offense is still at a certain level and his defense is also there to where yes i think that he is like one and it it might be kind of clear I mean, okay, so first of all, you mentioned that there's a vision of history on Devin Booker because the Olympics. I know what you're saying.

Even the chat right now was like, did you watch the Olympics? Anthony Edwards wasn't that good. It's true. Sure, it's true. I don't fucking care. These aren't Olympic players for a career. We're not talking about the Olympics.

That's a different context. But I would go as far as to say, I think it's more likely that Devin Booker has gotten underrated than Anthony Edwards. I think, sure, the Olympics has reminded people, but it's because they need a reminding because they forgot that he's outside of Steph Curry

might be the best off ball guard in the NBA. When you talk about star level players that can do star level things, he can move off ball with the best of them, he can cut with the best of them, he can have the ball in his hands and be your lead guard, he can do all these variety of offensive roles needed.

So any given game on your team, you can have him playing with a guy like Kevin Durant, with the guy like Bradley Beale because he can function as your best player, as your second leading ball handler, as your third, like he has a versatility any given night to just kind of shift into any of these roles.

If you think Anthony Edwards is a better offensive player It's because you think that he is just so dynamic Unstoppable with the ball in his hands That it makes up for that And maybe one day Maybe one day he'll be like a D-way level score And just be so unstoppable going to the rim That you drive a whole offense around that

But I don't think he's at that level yet Where he's on par with Devin Booker Even Donovan Mitchell offensively And defensively yeah When he locks in like he did in the playoffs He has those high level playmaking abilities defensively but I don't know if I'll talk about him as like elite two-way player like he's doing it night in night out every regular season game like leading an elite defense I don't know if that's the same thing I don't and I guess like I'm thinking about it and maybe underrated is like the wrong word um but I I don't know I just feel like there's an aspect of of his game and uh an area of like closer to I guess completeness maybe that that also might might not be the right term but there's There's something missing where I guess what I'm also doing is that I'm getting out ahead of because the slander is coming this year, right?

We had the whole, the last like year and a half, two years have been, oh, Anthony Edwards is going to make the leap. He's going to do this. He's going to do that. You get to the Western Conference Finals. You go outside to the Mavericks. You play in the Olympics. You don't play well. And now we're going to get here to this season.

And if the Timberwolves don't make it back to the Western Conference finals, right, all the stuff of like, oh, and is, you know, the most fun player in the league. I love his personality, all that stuff. All that's going to go out the window because the winning is not there. And so I guess I, I guess I'm preemptively saying, like, don't underrate him and understand and understand that, like, he probably, like, right now he probably is one. And there's a very, very good argument that he is one. so whenever we get to that part in the season, don't be, you know, turning it around and being like, oh, well, actually, you know, D Mitch is better.

Like, no, he still is going to be, like, the same play. Mo, can you do me a favor? Can you turn your phone around and show us if you're on Twitter or not? No, I was looking at anti-airward stats. Yeah, the chat was really, literally. I've been trying to, like, look at his mid-range stats and some more stuff. And I was like, I saw something like super jarring. Like, get off your phone, Mo?

Nah. I saw something a little jarring, but also not. not surprising at the same time, too. Like, a part of the reasons why there's, like, so far in his career, not saying he's going to be like this forever, but this is just, like, a tendency for him. There's not that many, he's not super, like, I think the word you guys use is, like, portable or whatever,

and he hasn't had that level, just he's not at that level offensively just yet. I saw online that he... Big brains over here. but he he took only 9% of his shots last year were like catch a shoot that is ridiculous it means every single shot at it is him pounding the ball and some more stuff like that and i can sure you that guys like donovan mitchell and devon booker their stats are at least triple that because they're more just like pure shooters and that's fine that's just how they get their buckets off and whatnot but that just allows your offense to be a be a have another layer of

just like dangerous you know another layer like optionality so with that and then i see anything at words what's the rush to like go ahead and put them at number one you know we haven't seen him climb the highs of the highs just yet like we literally saw devon booker lead a team to the NBA finals just like three years ago and whatnot and and that's a long time in NBA time that is a long time someone said mo needs subway surfer highlights next to these now they're trying to say i'm brain dead that's crazy you have ADHD. But, okay, I, I give, I get what you're saying.

Yeah, it might be a little bit preemptive. But I, I feel like, I feel like with, with the end stuff, I will say, too. I do think that the combo is like fair. I, he's clear one. Admittedly was a victim. And the Olympics reminded me just how important of, how important, how hard it is to play, like, the role that Devin Booker hasn't been playing over the last few years. Now, you're right.

like the defense that he did play during the Olympics would have been excused because he doesn't do that during the breakaway season at all. He has at times when it like matters, but usually that's not his M.O. because he's too busy putting up like 35, 40 a night just last year in the playoffs when they

face off against the Denver Nuggets, I believe. He put up like 35, 40 points consecutively on like back to back to back games and they took the Denver Nuggets to six games and he wasn't playing like that much defense at all. so it's just like it's different two different players I don't hate you for saying anything Edwards is

I don't think you're crazy for saying anything Edwards is like you know the best shooting garden there's like a little bit of a gap I disagree I just took that stance earlier to like be like yeah like Devin Booker still here it's more so about D book than Anthony Edwards Mo's attention span is as big as Desmond Bain's arms they're just cooking your attention span now they're on you they're on you

wow they're always comments to get off your phone Mo They hate it. I'm doing a research. What can they not understand? I don't have an iPad. See, they see you and they assume the worst of you. Why is that? Let's get some practice.

Stigma. I'm the darkest man here. That's why. Talk about it. Let's really talk about it. Seriously, about that too. It's really talking about it. Twice as hard to get half as far as me.

It's unbelievable. Yeah, exactly. That's what they do, bro. That's what they do. You have to do two elite drafts to get called and not a seller. I mean, just one. That's the end of our Anthony Edwards debate. And that's the end of the stream.

If you're still here, comment, stop being racist to Mo. And we'll see y'all next week. Justice for Mo. Funny coming from you. We'll see y'all next week. Somebody said, no. You don't want to stop. Thank you.