The Deep 3 Podcast - Everything We've Learned About The NBA Season (So Far) | Ep. 113

Episode Date: November 1, 2024

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y'all we're about almost officially a week into the NBA season as we're recording this Thursday Halloween day and I don't know about y'all but I have many many thoughts and many thoughts that have changed since the first episode we did were reacted to game one many of my agendas I think I'm flipping on I'm ready to just fire up some team exactly put some teams on fraud watch sell some stock maybe double down on some agendas a whole lot to talk about man you are going to be in your hating bag this week and I really am. And I can't wait.

You know what it is? I'm going to be hating on people I usually defend because I'm not frustrated with some certain individuals. You're making me look back. Exactly. So as you guys see by the title, we're going to talk about everything you need to know from the first week of the NBA season.

Just everything we've learned through a week of hoops about every team, free flowing, no set amount, just whatever we want to get off our chest. Bray, NBA basketball back. We're like a week into it. The sun is out and over here in New York, bro.

Everything's just aligning. I love it. Let's tap in. But before we go ahead and dive into this, they need to go ahead and leave a like. They need to leave five star and also leave reviews on all ideal platforms that you're listening to. Tap in with us fully. Do you need to subscribe? Yeah.

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cheat the numbers for us. Yeah. And with that being said, let's jump straight into it. The cranium is crazy. Oh my God. I mean, I don't know what to say. Pray on eaters rejoice.

Mo, I believe you want to remack a certain segment to start the show. Yes, we are back. NBA season is back. So that means the moment of the week is back. For those who are new or haven't just been around just yet for a moment of the week, since it's been so gone. Moment of the week is basically where we just sit down and pick a specific moment or highlight

a player who had the best performance of the weekend. So far, this first week of the NBA season is Paula Bankero. He went ahead and dropped 50 points, 13 rebounds and nine assists against the end. Indiana Pacers in a very dominating assertive way and it looked like every ounce of one of the best players in the world type of potential that he has and he deserves this moment of the week man congratulations first ever this year yep there you go intro moment the week with no another been palo bankero man this game was amazing I luckily I happen to be watching a random paces versus magic game on this random I think it was Monday or Tuesday and do that first half it was like we

saw everything we want palo to be and just come together second half we don't go to talk about we'll focus on the first half where he scored i think 36 of those 50 points there's man that shit that shit was glorious yeah i went back and i watched this game the day after i wasn't watching it live and it was so funny because i looked up and there was like three minutes left in the second half and the announcer came on and was like oh my god palo's going crazy he has 24 points in in the first half and i was like he scored 13 points in three minutes like every everything that the magic needed him do he he ended up doing it and it's crazy because like a lot of times guys will have 50 point games right they go crazy in the first quarter really create some separation

Indiana was in this game the whole time and so like even throughout the second half like obviously palo wasn't as efficient as as going crazy as he was in the first half but they needed all of those 50 points and I think like those kinds of performances are really really special because you know we've seen people game gets out of hand you're at 40 now you start chasing 50. The fact that Indiana, time and time again, tried to key in on Palo and he kept delivering, that's what makes this 50-point game special. Yeah, and in a second half, they threw a lot of doubles at him. It wasn't exactly just cold shooting of why he had a, you know, slower second half. They were like, you're not going to beat us. We're going to make these other guys make shots.

And, you know, they did. They won the game. I have a lot of magic thoughts and some Palo thoughts that we can talk more about once we get into the episode and things we've learned. But yeah, just on Palo specifically. You know, I've been labeled a palo hater by you two. I am not. I was just a palo realist last year that he had certain developments he needed to make before he became, not even skeptic, just like slow down. I think he's going to be amazing, but we need to give him time to fix some issues. This game was him fixing those exact issues. I harbored a lot last year about how he needs to attack the rim. Stop shooting so many inefficient mid-range jumpers and use your size attacking the rim. He had a big problem with his footwork that made him settle for a lot of floater range shots

instead of like really using his length down low to, you know, make people feel that he's 6-10 and can move that fast. In this game, like look at this. Look at this finish we just saw. He just barreled through two people, didn't pick up a dribble too early. Like, this was exactly what I've been wanting to see. And it excites me so much that we might see a full season of him making these, you know, changes that are really going to make him what people want him to be.

Yeah, 110%. I agree. Seeing Paulo just be this committed, decisive and like not trying to be too pretty or flashy with his moves. and also like you said footwork things and just getting more concise with this game and just like getting things down to the basics he looks like a top 15 player when he's playing like this bro and if this trend continues obviously not drop it to 50 that's insane he can't average that um but if he continues this general like shot selection trend and all that then we're

gonna talk about paula in an entirely different light and in a light that like you said we me and donovan were like you know a little bit too hasty on him nah we were hasty on him nah we were hasty we were just on time we're early we're early everybody was early but it was a it was a bed that everybody knew would pay off so people were willing to be early it's kind of like we're seeing a wimby too exactly the season like people are clearly overdoing it with the hype but we know that that you know that early investment is going to pay off so you don't really feel too worried about doing too much like you can react in a certain way that's what y'all were doing and it's pain off we're seeing him explode but like i said i have a lot of magic thoughts that we'll get to later in the episode most definitely

but let's just start let's start with everything we've learned this season i'll go first i listen i got i got a lot of hating to get off my chest today so i'm going to start positively we're going to set the tone early and we're going to start with something good before we get to the bad okay i underestimated the golden state warriors that is what i've learned and so here's what i said i use my words carefully i underestimated them i wasn't wrong about them per se in terms of my evaluation of the issues i have with their roster they do have a problem of to become a top team your team, they need Jonathan Camingo to be a star. But because they have not a lot of spacers in the starting lineup and not a lot of good options to go to the, to provide spacing and you really maximize him, it's hard to imagine they get him to have a star leap. And all the other issues I have with them, I think we're right about the team. I focused too much on the negatives, and I didn't focus enough that they have a much higher floor than I anticipated. I think their ceiling isn't that high still, even though they start off really great. But their floor is so high with Dremont and Steph Curry healthy. I picked them to be 11th in the Western

conference coming into the season, just because I said there's 12 teams in the West that deserve to be in the top 10. I could be in that playing conversation. It hurt my heart to leave out too, but I was like, it's got to be the Warriors. Like, they didn't do anything to get better. I'm just going to bet against them instead of betting against the Young Rockets or the Kings of Demar or whatever. That was the wrong choice.

I have since decided to change that if I were to redo my rankings today, they'd probably be seven or eight. Okay. I, I would. I disagree. I do, I do too. I don't think, yeah. I still don't think that.

that were wrong on the words. They've, they've had a great start. Mind you, last season, they started off 6 and 1 as well, right?

Like they came out to gate firing. I think what we've seen so far this year, we've seen games where Buddy Heald has gone crazy and has looked like prime Clay Thompson,

which is something that they've been missing for the last four years. We've seen Andrew Wiggins remember how to play basketball at a fairly high level. That's awesome. We've also seen

step curry get hurt already in in week one and when we start talking about getting to November, December, January, the meat and potatoes of the NBA season is step Curry going to be out for two to three weeks and is that team going to be able to sustain that? Are we are sure that we are confident that buddy healed is going to maintain this space for the entire season probably not I definitely don't know that's not the issue that's not the reason I feel better. Mo what do you think you go first before I get into it? Something I'll just say is that, no, actually, get into your point, and then I'll hone it in.

Okay, you respond to what I got to say. I'm with you. They're 4-1, second seed right now. They're not going to be that. So, Warriors fans, if you're coming here in the comments and you're going to yell at us again about not believing your team, look, we're 4-1, blah, blah, blah. I don't care too much about that. They've had the most cupcake schedule I've seen in my life.

Exactly. They beat the Blazers, who are the worst team in the league. They beat the Jazz, who I was hoping would be better than expected because they were early last year. Ass. Absolute ass so far. They look horrible. It's actually quite surprising that their offenses look as shitty.

it does so that's two wins uh they beat the clippers which is a pretty good win shout out the clippers that was that was a good win even though you know they're also a lower tier playing team they're a tough out every night so you got to come with it to beat them what are they lost did they beat them they lost in them my bad my bad yeah that was really lost okay yeah and then they beat two wins against the pelicans y'all congratulations if you watch the pelicans without a jonte murray it is absolutely horrible that is one of the teams we'll be firing up later on this episode so long story short they don't have any good wins yet but they beat the dog shit out of the bad teams they played which is what you want to see from a team that is competent and is good and is

going to be around that playing range they didn't just hold their own and beat these bad teams they beat the fuck out of them so i'm not going to hold a strength of schedule against them the only reason i'm not going overboard and saying they're going to be like a top five team or anything crazy is because right now they're winning by having essentially the same offense as they had last year it's the same offensive rating they're about seventh in offense. That's not surprising. They are number two in defensive rating behind just the OKC Thunder who have been shacking everybody. They have a 99 defensive rating, which is just unsustainably great. Teams are shooting 26% for three against them. And, you know, as we see early

every season, there's always some good shooting luck on some of these top teams that happens. That is not going to sustain itself. So I do not think they're going to be the second best defense in the league. But I do think they're going to be a pretty decent defense. And that shows me, like even with some regression to the mean, can they be the first? 12th best defense in the league maybe I didn't expect that coming into the league if you tell me they're going to be 12th in defense and seventh in offense that's like an eight seed

yeah at least it could be it can be that could be that could be for sure but I sit down and I'm like yes they had a cupcake schedule but also at the same time they did what they're supposed to do congratulations but I see

through the pieces and although like yes I love that buddy healed is like looking like the splash buddy or the splash cousin or whatever or whatever it is. Andrew Wiggins is coming into his own again and Jonathan Camilla, although he hasn't been like

fantastic or special, he's had his moments here and there. So he's doing something at least. He's getting traded. Most definitely. Yeah, most definitely. I'm so happy they didn't like extend him. But like you said, I just fully still don't believe in them because of all the reasons that we all

agreed upon and I haven't seen you know anything jump out other than their defense. But even then, I'm just like, your defense is so yeah, it's easy to have a 99 defensive rating when you're going against, again, from the worst teams that we've, in the entire NBA still. I'm like, you're right, you're right. That's flawed to me a little bit. It is baffling how bad of opponents they have so far. And it stays bad. They have an easy first 10 games. They don't plan to be good until November 6 and they play the Celtics. And I still want to see, like I'm not going too crazy. Like I said, I'm moving

from the bottom of the playing race to the top of the playing race. So I'm not exactly saying they're fucking here. They're going to contend. I'm just saying I think they're not going to be total embarrassment and they'll be in that seven eight game i think which isn't necessarily high praise i think warriors fans probably expect a lot but you mentioned buddy healed a lot i don't really care about buddy healed i need to see 20 games a good buddy hill before i really believe in him what i do care about is Andrew wiggins looks good i think Andrew wiggins is pretty much back and that means a lot to me because the unit of camiga isn't going to make a leap gp2 has been defending his ass off caminga looks good they have some good debt pieces it's no counting buddy hill counting

and Kyle Anderson, people they added. They haven't even gotten a good Brandon Pajemski game while Steph Curry is healthy. So that's another level they can get to if he really comes into the level we saw him play at last year. They're just too good.

Last year, we forget, they had quite the wrench zone in their season by Draymond Green and his fist. That really derailed them and they never recovered. If that doesn't happen, I think they're just going to be competent all year. Assuming Steph Curry comes back and is healthy,

like they're going to be not great, but good and it's hard to be a 12th when you're good and a lot of other teams dealing with injuries that's fair one thing that will say though is that dream on green's fists are always live true you know like they are always ready they are they are an electric fence like you can touch it at any moment and it will burn you so like i'm just waiting right he got to we're watching highlights of him against the blazers he got a technical night one and and so and that is kind

that's just the edge that he has to that he feels that he has to play with to be at the level that he wants to be So fine, there's that. But I was like, you're watching these games and offensively, I just don't think that they have the same amount of creating juice that a lot of other teams have. And so when you start, well, they haven't needed it when they, like, there's two, there's two sides of having a very easy schedule. One, you can rack up wins and get yourself to a point in the standings to where now you can sustain some losses when they get into the actual part of their schedule where now

there's no more easy games you know sprinkled in between and you're going to go on a run of playing the two seed the three seed the four seed the one seed in the east like it's going to be night after night after night of playoff competition that's going to be really really hard and I think that whenever you go we'll learn about them for sure and I think that when you are going up against those teams it matters that you that you have a little bit of offensive juice and And I'm not sure about it whenever they get into that stretch and that's where I'm worried about them.

I'm with you and it makes total sense but we're forgetting who the Warriors are to some extent. They had this, that was the case last year too. They were still like the eighth offense last season. Like their offensive system carries a lot of water for it. That we freak, offense was never the biggest issue. I'm with you in a playoff setting. I still think in a playoff their fucking first round exit.

But I think they'll make the first round instead of not making the play in because in the regular season that system carries a lot of load. Terry Stats have done some good stuff. He's coming. They've really focusing on transition now, the number one in transition offense easily by far. And if they're going to be defending better than we think, again, it won't be the best defense in the league. It won't be setting defensive records. That's obviously not going to sustain itself. Teams are shooting 56% at the rim and 26% of three. That's impossible to sustain. They've just played shitters. But if they're

going to be as above average defense while leading the league in transition, which I think is very possible, then you have Steph Curry and you have Durham on Green being the playmakers. And you don't have a lot of creators around them, but you have some solid play finishers, some decent shooters. That's a recipe for regular season wins. Not for playoff success, but for regular season wins, they're going to be competent. In the West, if you're moving from 11 to 8, what is that? Two wins? That's like a two win difference. Yeah. So that's, I can see it happening more. I'll agree with you on this front that I can see the vision a little bit more for them being the AC maybe them you know even getting up to to seven potentially but like a lot of things

will have to to go right but right now and also this they try comminga they can be great if they get a good commingo deal they can really make something happen like I see I see the outline of a good team I don't know whoever know I don't know but he doesn't fit very well and they're trying to make it work I see the outline of a good team that's one move like that away from being dangerous okay we I need I need to know the move they are for me for me they are they are are very much. I'm sitting back and I'm watching. I don't think that I can overreact or underreact or even believe fully into what they're doing over the first week. I need more games. I need a bigger sample size. That's fair. And then I can start to, you know, make some judgments

about them. Okay. Listen, I said it, I told you that one or two positive things. I had to start that way. I just want to get some good up there. Mo, what is the first thing you learned so far this season? Shit, let's get back into this hating shit. Let's go, let's get people what they want, bro. All right. Well, talking to the mic. The Milwaukee Bucks, I've learned that nothing has changed. To start off the year, I believe they're what? One in four, one in three, abysmal. They're not good.

They're not good at all. Very embarrassing. They're one in three as we speak, and they've lost three straight games in a row. Right now, I believe they're 14th in offense, and they're the 22nd best defensive team in the entire NBA. Last year, they were in 26th. good god i just i just checked now maybe it's the ass is ass okay so okay no you check after me you check after me so the 22nd yeah so you being 22nd in defense with having a backline of lopez and yannis you being 14th again with having such a potent offensive force in yonis

and damian lillard things are just not adding up this entire process is hooked. If you look towards the top of the Eastern Conference teams, even in the Western Conference teams that typically are doing better, our teams that have that continuity and have been together for at least last season. No real, no major roster change. The Milwaukee Bucks are now one of those teams. These guys have been with each other for a year now. And you're still one of the worst, not one of the worst teams, because we all know it's preseason or early in the season or whatever. But you're very disappointing. Seeing what Doc Rivers has put up and which is absolutely nothing is very alarming and I'm starting to become very worried for

this team. Yeah, this is on my list as well obviously. She's on everybody's list. I picked in to be the three seed because like you said, continuity usually works. Stars that are so talented struggle to find their footing usually work in year two. It was a good bet to make for all the reasons we believe in them in year one. It made sense. It stood the reason that going into year two with the full summer around your new coach who seems like is liked by your

head superstar your two stars know they have to be better chemistry wise know they have to be on the same page are saying all the right things

you added a couple good new role players that should help you do those right things it's still to reason that they would be better they fucking are not

and I'm very mad of myself I learned that I'm a fucking idiot for buying into Doc Rivers for forgetting that Doc Rivers is coaching this team

I focus on all that good stuff and I forgot that they are coached by Glenn Rivers. And that's at the end of the day is the problem. I'll go further.

I think the hiring, the panic hiring of Doc Rivers to a four-year contract is one of the worst moves made in the last 10 years of the NBA. This is incredibly detrimental to them. I mentioned to start the episode.

I'm selling some stock. I'm hating on some people I don't usually hate on. I'm over it. I'm selling all my stock. Yeah. This team is going to crumble and I don't think there's any way out.

I think we're in DefCon 5. If you're a Bucks fan, you're probably holding out hope because it's early in the season and you should hope that they bounce back with more games. I don't care. I think this team is heading nowhere fast. I think it's scary hours for Yannis's future. Ah, how do you feel, Donovan? Listen, I feel the exact same way that you

felt. I've just felt like this since the summer. I didn't think that the Bucks would be a top three seed in the, in the, in the east. And I think that like the biggest thing is the last point that you said. We are now on Yonis watch because the, we all are. agree that like good or bad, the fit between Dame and Janus and this buck season is going to determine a lot for the NBA moving forward because if it doesn't work, now you have a 30-something year old game. The rest of the roster is super, super old. And you have Janus going into the second half of his prime, right? He's like 2930 right now. And the next five years are going to be his last like peak of his powers time to win a title and he has you know at every turn whenever there is

any type of indecision about the state of the bucks yonis has been like hey listen like i just want to be somewhere where i can win a championship and it's very clear right now that the bucks are not a place that that is probably going to happen look at this play their defense has been so bad look at this brookos comes down on the drive after gary trank is blown by in a very fucking easy way and look at yonness in the top. He's supposed to rotate to this corner once he sees Brooke Lopez go down, but he's not. He's looking at Drew and not looking at Brooke at all, and it's a wide open three. Yanis has been so lethargic and not the top tier DPOI you want to see. You mentioned Mo that with Brooke Lopez and Janus being your backline, your defense should be good. It's

embarrassing that it's not. Yonis has not been that great defensively. His energy has been so low. Yeah. Offensively, while Damis has some good shooting games and they've both scored well at the same time, there's still the issue if they just have zero fucking They're taking turns, getting their game off. They don't have the synergy as a pick and roll duo. They don't amplify each other at all. When look, he's in the post, games just standing there. He's not providing anything.

Derek White's coming down. He's not spacing out for him. Yannis doesn't do jack shit when Dame is is isoing. The duo is not going to work. They are not on the same page. I'm not sure that he'd like playing together. They don't seem to be that way when they play. Maybe they say the right things in the media, but they do not seem to be on the same page.

They don't even look like they want to be on the same page. Again, it comes down to your coach at the end of the day as well. when it comes to prioritizing the right ways to play. But these two stars just don't seem like they're going to work because of their own tendencies and their style of plays just being a dead end. Yeah. There's so many things that we hit on right now, but again, falls back all on coaching. Usually this offense, even just looking at it, looks so regular, basic.

You have some of the most potent and powerful offensive forces from the three-point line and also in the interior. And you as a coach cannot figure out how to make these two coincide. it's embarrassing and on top of that too going back to the defensive and everyone just looks like you said lethargic lazy don't give no like real effort just yet maybe like you know it's early in the season people are starting to get in shape but no it just looks like lack of not even attention to detail but just lack of attention in general and this is a fun fact this is really like it's meant to hurt you i'm trying to hurt your feelings all right this is personal i broke it inside

you can't hurt me guess guess who's leading the milwaukee bucks in minutes per game right now. Not minutes per game. Oh, you do? Yeah. Playing more than Janus. Playing more than Dame. Playing more than Brooke Lopez. Why?

Why? Why? Because Darwin's fucking Prince. Because Darwin Ham is there. Because Darwin Ham is telling Doc Rivers that this is our wingstopper. We got a game in the game. He makes everybody better when he's on the court. Put him on the best wing and he'll do well.

Our defense will be risen. It's nonsense. It's, what is it? Why does everywhere we go and Tori and Prince is using this way? He's a good player that's overused by these companies. Yeah, he's good But only for so long You know what he reminds me of

You know what like Fixa Flat is He's like that shit You know Like yo if you have an incident Or something happens Cool just pop that bitch open Just spray it on your tire You'll be straight

For like 10, 15 minutes Don't continue the entire road trip with on Or else disaster is gonna happen And Tori and Prince In that many minutes is disaster Let me tell you numbers Relating to the coaching Talk talk to me

This is all straight coaching Straight effort-based stuff that I think you put on the coach to inspire the team to go out there and try in these areas they're 29th this is yesterday

so no some games you played things changed really fast early in the season but as of yesterday they were 29th in transition defense 26th in transition offense

they're not running they're not getting back 29th an offensive rebound rate not crashing the glass not getting back not running 26th in assist percentage

not saying each other rub not keeping the ball moving all these fundamental things that make a good well-coached team that plays off each other and does everything well they don't fucking do yeah and when last year whenever they fired adrian griffin they were one of the worst transition defenses in the league and whenever doc came in instantly you saw them you know perk up a little bit and that was one of the

areas that they improved and you saw the the record or just you know the overall style of play get better now that that has regressed this is this is the same situation that got adrian griffin fired. And the last year, year and a half is justice for Mike Boodahoser. I understand. I understand why, right? Why you, why you had to fire him. Things felt stale. You felt like you had to make a change. Obviously, you're going to, you're going to fire the coach. But you look at what, at the situation that the Bucks are in now. And you look at the way that the Phoenix Suns are playing. And you look at their situation. And it's two different, you know, two different teams on two different ends of the spectrum and but is a good coach and doc is a guy who knows how to talk to

people and knows how to understand knows how to get jobs that is that is doc river's biggest skill he knows how to work in a job interview that boy stays on interview tutorial tick to talk and fucking now now that this has happened i hope this like starts to become a trend in the NBA to where like there's like a coaching reset and teams in front offices give a little bit more grace to coaches and stuff like that due to playoff failures and blunders and all that. Like you say, Donovan, I understand why they fired Mike Boodenholzer, but at the same time too, if you have plans or whatever and are intended to get another superstar and jumble up a few things, I just can 100% guarantee that. I just know that but would put out a better product

can get way more out of dame and yon as compared to what doc is doing right now so i i hope that coach that all that a lot of teams see this give their genuine good coach more grace and not think that the grass is greener on the other side when it's not it's actually dark it's actually an abyss and the mocking bucks are in complete hell sometimes the grass might be greener but just don't make that grass fucking dock rivers like it's so well documented when it was done we were like him he's the one you're disrupting the two seed who's winning in spite of some bad coaching but they're winning

and you're disrupting that for Doc for Glenn that it's just crazy that they scouted coaches and they thought like this is our guy they still can't guard anybody and mind you Chris Middleton still has not played a second

he is still not played and surprise surprise that guy who has been hurt for the last three years once again is coming into the season not healthy and we have no idea when he's going to be back to quote unquote

Donovan I got bad news for you the Chris Middleton and I have bad news for you and I think I know what you're going to say Buckfan Chris Milton is not changing anything Chris Milton there or not it don't matter he's never coming back

that version of Chris Middleton is gone 2021 Chris Middleton the one who had a 40 point game in the NBA finals that version of him is never ever stepping onto an NBA for again and if you're the bucks that is that is so worrying because the only bright spot between like dame and and uh and drew and i mean between dame and yannis in this whole entire area is that chris and yannis have always had synergy and they've always been able to to act

right and play together if he's not there i don't know what you do and you guys are they're in a bad spot. Yeah, man, that's not a buck stock. Fuck them. I'm so sick of them. They pissed me off. I had so much stocking them after they made that trade. I had told you so much high hopes as Palo season. Look at them. Look at them, man. Making us look like fools. Embarrassing. Donovan, what is the first thing you've learned this season? The first thing I have learned is that I should never, ever underestimate the heart of a killer. And by that, I mean Luca Donchitz and the Dallas Mavericks hypothesis. Oh. I, now. Sounds I had some remedial therapy or something because now that was hate do I think do I think that

they are going to be the two C like you guys said no do I think they are going to be off the line of playing and not playing yes because there you already predicted them five you are you already no no wait wait I haven't at five or six yeah you have five this isn't higher than you said okay do I think that they're going maybe get to four yes because you're apologizing for one spot move because no no because I actually It's Alzheimer's is beating his ass right now. Unk moment. Because, because even whenever I was putting in them at 5, that was more out of a, you know what.

Here, damn. Yeah. And I actually believe that they, like, can earn it now, you know? And, like, we'll be a legitimate team because the concerns that I've had about Clay Thompson being there in that spot, and you guys said it. But I was like, eh, like, you know, they paid him major money. He's going to come in. He's going to, he's going to, you know, require a lot of minutes. They're fine.

It's okay. It's totally fine. Like the Queen Grime stuff, the Marshall Minutes, like, everything is okay. And watching this game against the Minnesota Tim Wolves and watching Anthony Edwards come out in the first quarter and just dominate. And somehow, Luca Donchitz, who comes back into the game, keeps the Mavs there, gets hurt, comes back, takes another step back 30-footer to win the game. and you just look up and you're like at any point in the game the explosion that anthony edwards went off and had in the first quarter luca dachins can do as well at any point in the game lucca dants can set up everybody else to make everybody else's job so easy that it is so hard

to guard the the dallas mavericks and on a night-to-night basis if you don't have one of the three best defenses in the league you're just clueless i don't i don't know i don't know how you stop them because Luca's going to make the right play and he's going to force you in the situations that you don't want to be and he can manipulate every single action. And so I, I, I underrated them. And so I'm like, for the Mavs, you guys got it. You got, you guys got it. Yeah. I get that. They're going to be too. I'm sorry to bring it to you. Okay. C. I still don't know about two. They're amazing. I still don't know about two. The covers is wide open. I like Phoenix. And listen, I like the Lakers. I like, I don't like a

That much. I like him too. I don't like them that much, though. The Mavs are going to dominate. They have continuity. They have top in talent. They have additions to their team. They have everything need to be a two seed.

They don't have to adjust to a Julius Randall. They don't have to figure out their bent situation like someone we're going to talk about next. They don't have a rookie coach. They don't have any question marks. They're just going to be really good all year. Nah, NERC is stealing money. NERC is stealing money, man. NERC needs to be imprisoned.

Look, if there's one thing that NERC is going to do, he's going to ride for his team meets. He's going to uplift team chemistry all the fucking time. Yeah, he's going to be on Twitter talking about his teammates good for him. Yeah. But one thing I will say about the Dallas Mavericks is that like even the outer edge pieces that they got, whether it be Quentin Grimes who came in the game. And I think he hit a three and got like a couple of rebounds as well, one rebound. I know he had nine points and he had one rebound.

him adding in someone like naji marshal who we've harped on in the past before talking about his defense once luca or before the big big lucas shot i believe or maybe it was after the big big lucas shot the game was already pretty much sealed and the a word was coming down on the right wing trying to cook and nausea marshal was on him and he simply just ripped anthony edwards bro it's little stuff like that that makes me feel so strongly about this dallas mavericks team and I think that's seeing them as a number two seed is light working. Clay didn't even have a good game this game either, bro. He didn't have a good game, but it didn't matter because you have Kyrie and Luca there, two utter, really Luca, utter complete superstar and everything

else just makes sense for this team, bro. No, they're really good. They're exactly what we thought if you're optimistic about them. Clay's looked good. They've been running a lot of plays at him coming off the screens. He's added an addition to spacing that people have to respect. It's a new wrinkle that makes him less predictable. Kyrie's look good. Luca playing himself in the shape. He didn't play in the preseason. You know, Luca starts slow quite often, so that's not surprising. But he's Luca. Gafford and Lively still look good. Still have that one-two combination of Gafford, who's a great room score, and you have Lively given the playmaking and bigger defensive chops. They are exactly who I thought they were going to be.

Yeah, exactly. And I'm still, listen, don't get it wrong. I still don't like them. I'm still praying on the joke. But I do believe that they are much better than what I thought that they were. So I will give you the respect by when I give you the like. I'm glad you. you mentioned that because you have a habit of when you don't like somebody you will mental gymnastics yourself to talk lower on them than you should in pre-sees and predictions because the hate comes through your heart for me i have the opposite i will uh i will pick the logical point that goes with me really liking somebody and wanting to believe in them yeah and what i did that for this year is the next thing we're going to talk about the Denver fucking nuggets man i am so

incredibly curious at this team we all yeah we all summer all summer all summer I talked about the Nuggets are going to be all right. Don't overreact. KCP is good, but he is not the savior for anybody. If you have the MVP and a good supporting cast around him, KCP will not be the one at Sinks or Swims you. Their offensive, their starting lineup with Christian Brown being elevated will be just fine.

KCP won't be that big of a deal. I was right. That part I was right about. But I was focusing on the starting five being fine. That was my main focus. And I told myself the starting five would be okay, so they will be okay. It's okay. I forgot that Calvin Booth

is out of his goddamn mind and he replaced KCP one for one with Russell Westbrook and he used his mid-level exception his only vehicle to adding a non-minimum talent outside of Russell Westbrook on Dario Sarich whose name we haven't said in several years

for anything good who's their backup center so they're rolling out the worst bench I've ever fucking seen so despite Christian Brown being perfectly capable of plugging and playing where KCP left off in the starting lineup. Their bench is just absolute piss. Shout to all those players individually.

I think Julian Strother is good. I think he has, he's the best bench spot. Russ might have a spot in his league somewhere for a different team. The calculus they put together having four players out the bench, only one who can shoot. One who is far past his prime, and I don't got to say anything bad about Russell Westbrook anymore. You understand who he is. One in Sarge, who's a backup five that has no business being a five, doesn't provide anything on the interior, doesn't shoot threes doesn't do really anything and Peyton Watson who still can't shoot you just combine those it is such a massive problem that their starting line up can be the best in the goddamn league and it won't matter because any time Nicole Yocas steps to the bench they fucking wither and die

they are atrocious he's gonna have the craziest on-off numbers he might be in the MVP convoy again simply for the fact that everybody around him is so unbelievably awful that he just looks like the lord and savior of basketball they are that bad on the bench we've gotten multiple games of Yokit, putting the team on his back, which for years, you know, if you look at, if you look at the game through, you know, oh, you need to carry your team night in and night out. I need you to score 40. While I do require some of those performances, it's a bad sign if your star player has to do that every single night. Yes. Two games into the season. And this is not end. Why are we playing the Brooklyn Nets? And I need you to score 30,

I need you to get a 35 point triple double and not only get 10 assists. I need you to get 15s, right? Not 10 rebounds. I need you to get 18. You need to have legendary performances. These are performances that Yoko should be having in the playoffs. And he has to do it in October before Halloween against Cam Thomas and Nick Claxton. What are we doing here?

And it's, I guess the thing for me that I already knew that, but like that is just reinforcing is that so many teams in this league are just mismanaged. And we've seen, we've seen the bench and the depth of the Denver Nuggets get worse and worse over the last two, three years. And now, Nikola Yokic, who we were talking about going into last year, we're like, hey, if they can win the title, Yokic will have one of the greatest four-year runs that we've ever seen from any individual player. And that's kind of out the window now. You they were already a team who didn't take a lot of threes who didn't make a lot of threes and they said what if we took less what if we missed more right well the rest of the league

is actively taking more so many stars run a league are up in the three point volume oh that's a talking point of so many teams we listen that's something for for me we will talk about that we'll get to that but it's a talking point for many teams that we need to up our three point volume to compete these top offenses and Calvin booze smart ass was like how about we do the opposite how about we just like don't like math and how about we do the worst thing we could possibly with you. I take less of them. Let that be nice? Let's, let's Zad where everybody's zigging.

Yeah. Yeah. That'll give it. How about you? They'll never see it coming. Shut up. Shut up. Yeah.

And also, the Nuggett to lose. John Murray ended up having a good game here. He had a good second half who put up points. Oh my God. These first four games. He's bad. Dude,

is 2023 Jamal Murray ever coming back? Is that player gone? Because so many nights, more often than not, he looks like a player without confidence, without burst, without ability to be that second star. And MPJ's fucking, he's not picking up any slack either. I'll say that.

He's not doing anything to make up for Jamal Murray not having great games. And if those three guys aren't, I mean, those two guys next to Yolkish aren't being buckets, they just don't have the firepower. And something has to change. MPJ is shooting 29% from the three point line. Love it. Aaron Gordon, 40% fake, no one cares. Christian Braun, 36% just on three attempts.

Okay. Westbrook, 25%. We know Westbrook, don't need to harp on that. Payton Watson, 14% and Dario Sarge. Like you said, Isaac, no good for nothing. Zero percent from the three-point line. This team is genuinely fried. And like you, it makes me sad.

I'm sorry. Zero percent. We played a week of basketball. You can't run. He said no good for nothing. I love Dario. I love Dario. I used to love him at least, bro.

But right now, what I'm witnessing is Yokic get his, like, LeBron's treatment. We're witnessing his front office actively sabotage and go against all the winning that Yokic aspires to do. And I feel so sorry for him. I feel because, like we said, like out of all-star players week, you want to see Nicola Yokic drop 40. That's not even his game necessarily. If you could drop 14 and 12 assists or whatever, he would be the happiest guy. guy in the world, but asking him to exert all his energy consistently post up. What's his name? Um, what's that, what's there? What's that? What's that dude over there? I forget

his name. What's that? Tom, no time. Tom. Let me figure out. Let me figure it up. What's that dude over there? Yeah, on the, uh, Dorian Finney Smith. That's his name. There we go. DFS. There we go. Um, seeing him just continue to fight for his life is just like, embarrassing. It's embarrassing. Oh, boy. Yeah. No, it's a, it's a bad. It's a bad. it's a bad it's a bad situation in Denver and I think like the there there is a certain level of respect that we should give I guess like the top top players we're like hey you should figure it out but it what we're seeing more and more in the NBA especially like as everybody just gets more skills like you really do like the seventh person off your bench that that does matter in

November oh yeah right like you need a certain level of depth and we've seen teams in the past make it to the finals we've seen teams make it to the playoffs where you have your one guy and a whole bunch of stinkers and that's not going to it's not going to be the case anymore you can't you can't you can't roll the ball out with with yoke at you is still in my opinion the best player in the world and think that everything is going to be fine and you're just automatically going to end up with 50 wins and the three seats it would be a great seventh guy for this team someone like lani walker why is he not a part of this roster just yet only Walker to sign in Europe yesterday.

Man. Shout to Lonnie Walker. He's not fixing this fucking team. The bench sucks. We focus on that. That's the problem. End of the day, though, you have a supermax player

in Nicole Yowcich, who's Bobby, even though he's a supermax, one of the best value contracts in the NBA, because he is Nicole Yokic. And in the era of second apron, your contract distribution

matters more than ever. You really need to make the most of every dollar you have. And they have three max contracts or near max contracts in the state of Aaron Gordon, who isn't quite max, but he's damn near. And none of those guys are All-Stars,

and none of those guys are giving me anywhere close to All-Star production. That's just so hard to win with in the new era of the NBA, and I think that'll be their downfall. Like, maybe it means they have to trade Michael Porter. Maybe it means something else drastic. I don't know.

But you just can't have a top four making all your money, and three of them are role players and not playing at any insane level either. Like, I know we've seen eras where Jamal Murray is a role player because he is not an all-star, but he's, you know,

giving you 22 in a night with great efficiency and being able to really carry that load if that's not going to be the case Yokish needs to have an all-star teammate at some point of his career

that's what it's going to look like and I don't know if it's ever going to happen while you just reminded me that Yokic has never had an all-star level team literally just yet it's hilarious

he's been his jerk era his whole career he's never had an all-star teammates it's unbelievable and there was one year where he made them look like all stars and we all got ahead of ourselves

and we're like whoa this team is going to be so great for so long. They're so talented. Nope. No, they click at the right time and they played well for that era, but Yokish rose them to that level and they had enough supporting cast that it was good enough. Now when a supporting cast dwindles and you really have to have your max contract players provide max contract value, those guys get exposed a little bit of not quite being up to that value. And maybe we're hitting it, we're going to beat an era soon where, you know, the conventional wisdom is like, you got to pay your guys. You can't lose them. Maybe that's

going to be changed. Maybe maybe you can lose a Michael Porter Jr. and distribute that money more evenly. I'm interested to see how they move forward into the second era of Nicole, which is prime, how they plan to retool because it's needed badly. It seems like they want to keep guys like Aaron Gordon because they resign him. Cool. I think he's a must have. But like you said, the Michael Porter Juniors of the world, if he's not going to elevate to certain level, doesn't necessarily need to be an all-star. But can give me like an efficient 19, 20? Can you be like the Desmond Bain of my team? No. I don't want to Don't, yeah, yeah.

You can't. If he can't, then he needs to go. Nope. Can you talk about some positive? Yeah, I'll say, what's the next thing you learn? Tell me something good so I can change my mood up. These guys are pissing me off. Oh, man.

Okay. Speaking of something good, the Cleveland Cavaliers. Oh, yeah. Let's do it. They are elites. I don't know what you want to start. But Donovan Mitchell, of course, is doing Donald and Mitchell things looking like a top 10, 12, is player in the entirely continuously underrated when it comes to his passing and even just

in this entire game overall. Jared Allen's Jared Allen. Darius Garland has had an up and down season as usual, but what has made this team entirely different or feel different is how assertive that Evan Mowgli has been this early into the season. And he's looked like this, basically the second option of this team. and him being willing to step into threes and actively just like using every inch

and every like he wants him to feel him bro I've never seen him like this where he's aggressive he's aggressive he's finishing at the room has gotten way better especially off the dribble now his numbers aren't particularly good right now because he's had a couple stinker games

so he's not actually shooting much a bit more efficiently but you can see that it's gonna round out and it's gonna be better Kenny Atkinson did it Yeah, it's Kenny Ackinson And I test thing, yeah Shut out, shout out Kenny, man Yeah, you mentioned Mobley is the main thing

He's not the main thing It's great seeing him continue to improve Kenny Atkins is the main thing Okay, let me say that First of all, I'm with you The Cavs are really, really good I mentioned that the West was super wide open So I think the Mavs are going to walk in the two seed

Bro, I think that I think the Cavs might be the two seed The Cavs are going to be two or three, I think So I am flying up my rankings The same reasons why they have the continuity and now they have a new coach who's fixing some things they are playing so unbelievably

fast. You know, last year their biggest issue was just that Darius Garland was nightmare season from hell where he broke his jaw and lost 10 pounds was never the same. You guys remember two years ago whenever they first got Dematch, I was super high on them and I was preaching propaganda to you guys and you guys were like slow down. You're too soon

on him, yeah. Sure. I think it was just a bad matchup. Either way, last year, that part of me, the light in my eye died. I did not have fun watching the Cavs and I wasn't pushing any propaganda. They are exactly who I hoped they'd be that two years ago when I first saw the vision. At all times on the court, they have an elite rim protecting big. Jared Allen was giving Anthony Davis some trouble under the rim yesterday. And when he was on the court, Evan Mully was down there, who was a DPOI level defender.

At all times, they can have an elite guard on the court. And right now, their supporting cast is shooting their ass off. They've been the best shooting team in the league. And that's a lot of it. So maybe part of it is good shooting luck. They'll come down to earth a little bit. But right now, they are by far number one in three makes. They are second in the NBA and transition point scored. Not only are the defending super well and being more physical than you, being bigger than you down below, they're getting those stops and running and running to threes. And that combination of being more physical than you, faster than you and better shooting than you. Yeah.

That's just an amazing combination of just traits to have. Yeah. It wouldn't shock. Yeah. It wouldn't shock me if we looked up in this team was two. I mean, I thought, you know, like I, I thought before the season that they were going to be the three-seat for all the reasons that, you know, that you guys just said. And the new coach boost really, really is, like, a real thing. And when you have, when you have a guy who has had success in previous stops, especially with Kenny Atkinson, like, the last time that we saw him as a head coach, he was taking the Brooklyn Nets and DiAngelo Russell to the playoffs.

Like that was and you know coaching Jared Allen and that and that whole team that was a fun era of Brooklyn a Brooklyn Nets basketball and now now for the calves like sometimes you just need a breath of swing this rock right you just need a breath of fresh air and that's what that's what Kenny is and that's what he's been for them and you know the Knicks they haven't looked amazing and if you jump out fast like the Knicks are two and two right now and the calves are five and oh you can get a quick you know three four game lead up on somebody. you can kind of maintain that throughout the season and it matters and get the two seat absolutely yeah and like fmobie's better darius garland once again looks like dari's garland obviously there's still some ifiness with the fit there you're not going to quite maximize him with don't visual but that's fine as long as he's still as good as he was two years ago before the jaw stuff it's good enough evmobie's developing like i said the shooting is really good which two years ago whenever i was high on them the shooting wasn't good they've since prioritized that they have dean wade they have uh jerome they have so the white who's name i'm forgetting right now the taller one they have a lot of shooting

right now that's going really well and back back max shoes not even here yet either they got good last year at staggering mowbly and jared allen so they play a lot of their minutes separately they're still good at that this year uh they're on off numbers right now whenever mowgli's playing center they dominate less so when he's power forward next jared allen but that's okay because those center minutes they come out to big leads and yeah man they're playing fast is the biggest thing they're second and pace right now i mean seventh in pace right now i mean seventh in pace and second in offense. When have you ever thought this team might be

a top three offense in the league? You never think that. And again, that's probably not going to sustain. But the fact that they can be in those convos because the new added pace really exasperates their shooting and athleticism to the rim, it's a small difference,

but it's a meaningful difference to a team that was already good, but not quite great. I 110% agree. I wanted to put them so much a little bit higher in my standings and my season predictions. because I was giving a lot of credit to Kenny

Atkinson. I was a little bit unsure when it came to Evan Mobley. I understood Kenny Atkins' game. I was very familiar with it, but I just wasn't sure how much of a leap Evan Mobley was going to take. And so seeing both of these things happen, one of them being unsure, me being unsure about, is a beautiful remedy and I can definitely see them, like, shoot up to as far as number two in the Eastern Conference. Yeah, I assume the Knicks are going to be good

once they figured out, so they could end up being two very well. But I think the caps will be in that mix, two or three, assuming they say healthy. It's definitely in play. Shout to Evan Moby, man. The stock and the young bigs that I like is aging so well. He's feeding Derek favorite conversations. There we go. A gazelle.

He moves so well. Yeah, I agree. All right, Donovan. What's the next thing you learned? The next thing I learned is that the math is mathing. And there's like a league-wide aspect of this where, yes, teams realize that they have to shoot more threes. there's been conversation over the first week and a half of like do we have to change the three point line right do we have to change the

game because of the way things are played i don't i don't really want to go into that the the reason why i bring this up is because anthony edwards is taking like 14 threes a game right now the most in the league and that is crazy to me that the like you look at at where he's been throughout his his entire career you know four threes a game five three last year it was six point seven doubling that and getting to to like 13.7 14 three is a game that is that is insane watching that over over the first you know week and a half of of of the season and I think there's a couple reasons to it obviously like cat's not there and I think that trying to figure out the fit between him and in julie's like he might have to be

part of the spacing also we talked about it earlier that's just something that he's clearly like talked about that he wanted to work on, so he's going to come out, you know, start the season shooting, shooting a lot. But if Anthony Edwards is taking 14 threes a night, as athletic as he is, I feel like, at least on four of them, I feel like you're bailing the defense. I feel like you not putting that pressure on the rim and on, on the defense in that way can be detrimental. And I'm very curious. So I guess I haven't learned anything. But I guess for me, yeah, that's, that's the big thing. I've noticed that.

And I want to know what the overall outcome and the ceiling of the Timberwolves is if he's taking 14 threes a night. It's not just him. Shea Gildes-Oxander is also taking 10. And Jalen Green is also taking 10. These athletic guards... Daly Green? Well, Jalen Green's doing well with it.

So he's the best example out of those three. But these athletic guards who nobody can stay in front of are choosing to be more three-point dominant. And we saw Deeran Foxx's two years ago. Last year he started it. But two years ago, Deeran Fox was All-Star, All-N-B-A level when he was great because he was the best rim finishing guard in the league by far. Last two seasons, counting this one, he's been more three-point dominant in the same way.

He kind of did this a year before these guys, and I think it's made him worse. I don't really view Deeran Fox as as high as I did two years ago now because I think, you mentioned bailing the defense out. I wouldn't use where bailing them out because getting a three can still be a good look, but you're making it easier on them by not having that versatility. And I guess the point is, like think back to that month we saw of Jay and the Green last year when he was a superstar for you know 30 days the reason for that one he was attacking the room well you know doing his athletic stuff but that was only possible because he

was shooting the shit out of the ball and he was shooting off the dribble making 4% of his threes that made people come out and guard him a certain way coming off picking rolls and open everything up I guess that's the logic is that if you're a slashing guard that you know if it comes down to it you can slash and nobody can say in front of you that skill just gets further amplified by having an unstoppable three-point shot so with worse worth trying to develop that into your game. But you got to wonder where the, where the line is, right? When is, when is

14 threes for Anthony Edwards? Yeah, and it's like something I'll say is like, I saw, I saw this tweet the other day. I think it said like when it comes to the first three or four games in the season in three point attempts, Anthony Edwards is number two. The other two names surrounding him are of course Steph Curry and like James Harden, three point attempts taken this early into the season. And ironically

enough surprise to everyone's surprise Anthony Edwards is actually like shooting the shit out of the ball very well he's shooting like 42% but going back to what you said Isaac it's like even though I like it I don't know if it's like the greatest for the flow of your offense maybe it's like great for you in your development but I feel like for the entire team identity which is behind you when you're back I don't know if teams are going to be fearful still of you

chucking up three three or fourteen three is a game compared to you running down to the rim trying to dunk or lay on someone's head like I think I'm a big fan of like more shots for the people yeah and I'm I'm a big fan of like knowing your superpowers in the NBA what are you best at honing on that be known as that type of guy and it's already did that when it comes to like what he does down in the paint so like it's like an interesting toe to or line to toe around and I'm just curious to see how sustainable this is for their offense

I don't view negatively though if players who don't do this type of thing you're like what do you work on the off season why aren't you developing like we'd much rather see Zion shoot threes and out whatever the fuck he's doing right now barely into the rim not doing anything productive so I'm not against people trying to figure it out

and you can only find where that line is by pushing it and maybe he comes down and he won't shoot 14 by the end of the season I think I feel safe saying that they'll find a good medium but sometimes you got to shoot 14 to realize you should shoot nine you know so if we i think i don't want people to be stagnant yeah and that's that's fair because a lot of what like last season whenever we saw aunt be anthony edwards a lot of it was because his midrange game was falling and he's shooting and he's shooting the midrange at like kd levels not everybody's

going to do that all the time right like there's only one kevin dera and so you'd much rather for people in the middle to listen take take two steps back and we'll take a three and we'll be fine off of that i understand that but the same time like 14 is is a lot and i do i do think that for guys that are very athletic you are diminishing your superpower a little bit and so for the for the wolves do i think i the one thing that i have learned is that i don't think that they will be the the two seat I underestimated just how much time it's going to take for them to to integrate Julius into the offense and on top of that integrate Ants new, you know, quote unquote style of play into into what they're doing. Something I'll say.

The defense sucks. The defense they need. No, not even that. The offense actually sucks too. They're like 21st in offense in the entire NBA. So both things are like, man. I think that'll be fine, though. That needs time, like you said, to integrate Julius.

The defense, I don't think will ever be that great, at least to where it was last year. cat is a terrible room protector cat is not good defensive 5 we see it on the next now their defense fucking sucks again they'll get better cat is not a good defensive 5 never has been for a single second of his life but he was a pretty good defensive 4

he had learned that role and he could do exactly what was needed next to go bear to really use his size and give teams problem by the fact there's two seven footers down low he focused they pretty much just made him focus on being big and disrupting people he still wasn't good moving his feet but they put together a scheme that got the most out of what he

he can do with his size next to somebody who can hide his weaknesses rotating to the rim. And weirdly enough, Kat made their defense better last year. Julius Randall possesses none of those qualities. He's just an entirely different player. And I underestimated that, I underestimated Kat's impact on the defense being great. I'll say that. It's not all go bare. Yeah.

Something I will say is that, I don't know, I feel like their defense will be fine. Their schedule so far, they've played, of course, the Lakers night one. They lost to them, played the Kings, Raptors, one against them, and then the Dallas Maverick, they lost against. I don't know. Seeing how teams would just, like, attempt to slut out Julius Randall, slut out Carl Anthony Towns in the perimeter would always be. I mean, at times, at times, he looked silly at times, a lot of the time, and that's where he would make a lot of his silly fouls. So like Julius Randall was actually more wits. Someone like Julius Randall was just more.

more well equipped to, like, toe dance and all that, simply just because he's more mobile. So I just, I will rather cash in on their defense being okay compared to their offense, like, seeping and sinking. If you were to come into this NBA season and be like, yeah, like Anthony Edwards is going to average 30 points per game and he's going to shoot like 40% from the three point line on like 13 attempts, I would be like, yeah, this team, they're on fire offensively. No, they reek, they stink, they suck. And that's the more alarming side to me right now.

Randall is more nimble, though. Real quick. Randall is more nimble than Kat. It's also like an effort in buying thing of like is. That's true. Like are you going to be engaged? Yeah, he may have the tools. But we've already seen like we've seen Randall have awful defensive games to start

the year. And so what took Kat a year and some change to do, are we going to be able to see Iran will do that in two months to get them ramped up for, you know, for the second half of the season for the playoffs, I don't know. And I'm not going to bet on it. We're also back to seeing them have an offense that Mike Conley hasn't been that good this year. Mike Connolly's kind of been on cardio watch. Can you please not? Don't see my goat. Damn. They played CTE basketball before they got Mike Conley. And when he came in, it was like night and day when he's on the court and versus when he's not. They have an organizer that keeps them in line. It feels like they're

kind of back to square one in that regard, probably because they're getting used to Julius Randall like we talked about, that it's a lot to learn on the fly when we could trade right before the season starts. It seems like they don't have enough playmaking again. Anthony Edwards' playing has not been to the level we saw in the playoffs last year. It has not been good to start the year. There's a lot of turnovers. It just hasn't looked good.

Conley isn't quite being as assertive, probably being more off ball with Julius Randall kind of being empowered to be that second playmaker. That's the biggest issue with their offense, I think. The shooting is going to be fine long term. And we all think that Randall and Dante Yvincenzo are going to add a good amount of firepower ability to them. Obviously, Gobert is not providing anything offensively and aunt is going to be aunt. But they either have to have Julius Randall be a great playmaker and get the most of that or empower Mike Conno or get another point guard. Dude.

Because they need an organization bad. Yeah, Julius Rand, and I think it lies upon like Julius Randall. Like he is what's the only pathway to see to envision this team getting. better offensively. Like I said some, I think I believe during our first full episode after the car

and the town trade happening, I was like, yeah, this team's gonna shoot a lot of more threes therefore. Mass should be mathing,

better offensively. They're shooting like 403s a game, way more than they shot last year, but their offense is worse. Math is just simply not mathing. More threes do not equal more better off at this moment.

Well, yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah, you have to make the threes. So that'll help. And we'll see some better correction there but also you have to be using that spacing to get to the rim and create opportunities for others have an effective pick and roll attack that uses that spacing and that's the playmaking

they're losing they're not setting up gobert at all i have gobert my fantasy team gobert has had like fucking feels like three dunks all season because there is just not a lot of playmaking for him you know last year and you before that we saw him and my colony have a good connection where connolly was able to feed him buckets and get him some downhole gravity that made him useful on that end yeah we haven't seen a lot of them his offense has been extremely rough we thought Julius Randall and Edwards would have a hard time with Gobert's pacing. It's vice versa. Gobert's having a hard time with zero good

pick and roll passers. I can't throw lobs. Where's Mr. Shifty? Where's Rob? She's on that bitch. Oh my God. That was ridiculous. Isaac, can you want to tell what's the next thing you learned? The next thing I learned is let's talk about the Orlando Magic.

The Orlando Magic are very interesting. I put them too low. I'll say that first. I had a hard time debating them versus the Pacers for the last spot in my top six because the top five I went pretty much chalk. You know, Celtics, Knicks, I won bucks a three,

which they're fucking lower now. And then who's after that? Celtics, bucks, Knicks, 76ers. And I'm missing one team. Who is the, oh, and Cavs. Those are the consensus top five teams, talent-wise. I didn't know Joel and Pete and Paul George were never going to play and it would be so dire.

So I think I ended up putting them down to five. But at this point, it looks like they're going to be far out of the mix. How much losing they're doing before Joel and V comes back. But I ended up picking the Pacers to win like one more game in the Magic. And the reason for that is I said that don't expect the match's offense to be way better. I think it's baby steps. They just don't expect too much too fast with a young team who made a jump last year.

Your assumption might be they got to make it up the next year, right? They got to keep getting better. Young players get better every year. I was like, it's not that simple. Let's have some patience with them. so I think they'll be around with it were last year and that makes sure they succeed.

I'm feeling good about them being better. For the reasons we talked about at the top of the show at the moment of the week, Powell looks like he's making, Palo, looks like he's making some improvements as a rim finisher

and just, you know, making the development curve you would expect from a number one pick who's becoming a superstar before our eyes. He still has had some sinker games so he isn't super efficient right now

but I think with sample size that'll get better. Oh wow. Dude, as I'm talking, Schom's tweet just happened. Orlando Magic star, Palo Van Caro has a right abdominal strain and is listed as questionable

bruh the calves on Friday that's crazy timing bro okay I thought I thought you were about to say something detrimental so he just has a tiny ache it's okay

but no palo currently again the efficiency is mediocre because he's at a couple of stinker games which he tends to do but right now 43% of his shots

are coming at the rim last year was 35% and that's because only 19% are coming from floater range down from 26 last year so a lot less settling for floaters and finishing at the rim because as I mentioned, his footwork is getting better.

He's using that size down low. He's also being fouled on 27% of his shooting attempts. Wow. Reference, Janus is about 23%. We're seeing Palo be a down-hub rim finisher, as expected. That's going to make them better alone. That already makes them a little bit better than what I counted for last year.

We're also seeing Jalen fucking sucks be a weapon. He's shooting 42% on 8-3s a game. We thought that KCP would come in and be the spacing savior that they've needed. KCP has been a brick. That'll face itself. So they'll get better there too. They have that to look forward to.

But Jaylen Sugg is just another KCP now. He's playing like a star. He's averaging like 18 points per game, four assists, four stocks or three stocks. He's averaging 2.2 steals and 0.8 blocks, I think. Just a two-way force who is not just hitting threes. He's hitting tough threes. Off the dribble, off the screens, pulling up from deep. A true spacer.

And if that's real, he might be just as good as Franz. So they might be close to a big three offensively of three ball handlers I can shoot the ball, create for themselves, and do all these things. And I said KCP isn't going to fix their offense overnight, but he's defending well. And their defense looks crazy when you have Suggs and KCP locking up and those two big forwards. We'll see what their center rotation looks like once they really figure out who they want to play. But I think they're going to be more like the four or five seed. I think I might put them above the bucks just like I did with the calves.

At this point, they might be the three seed. Like they might be. They might be. They might be. Orlando, they're one of those teams that is going to come in and they're going to obviously, like, beat you up defensively. That was their calling card last year. One of the things that in that 50-point game that Palo had,

that was like nobody really talked about. Jayless, like, started five and five from three that day. Like, and he was pulling from the logo. And that's, that's something like, as I said, if they have that aspect to their game and Palo's making the jump, they 100% can be the three-seat, especially with the way. that the Knicks are looking and if it takes them a long time to get things ramped up the magic

have continuity they have defense and if they add shooting to that why why can't they be a three seed right now if jails started shooting like this he is derrick white and if you add derrick white to palo van caro with the baldy oh my god he's Derek white it's going to happen soon case he's going to shoot better they might have two like almost elite shooting back court if the jalen sucks shooting leap is real and franz wagner said up and down three point shooting I don't know what his averages are right now because he's had some bad games if he's gonna be shooting decently well

like things are rounding out for them Anthony Black has been good off the bench he's been shooting well things are making sense I don't know how good their defense offense is gonna be the first like three games they were like fourth in offense

which I think is down a little bit they've lost some games or three and two I still think they'll be you know middling above average but not great listen if you get to 10th in offense while being a lockdown defense

that's enough that's enough to be dangerous he's a demon I love the Orlando match, man. Yeah, he is. Play the music. Play the song. I will die on this podcast as the one and only, or at least not one and only, but I was

the first Jalen sucks truther way back in summer of 20, 23 or so might that I was like, if he takes X amount of threes per game or can chew four, 35 percent, he's going to be a guy. And look at him. He's a guy. He's a guy who could easily, if he's on this trajectory, it would not be surprising if he slipped his way into an all-star appearance one day in the next like four years or something like that wouldn't be surprising at all considering how hellacious his defense is his defenses and also if the shooting remains somewhat like elite it's going to be undeniable i just straight up think he's exactly

derrick white i think they're so similar i think he's straight up going to be like derrick white probably not an all-star but best role player in the game level player so derrick white yeah yeah i think he is exactly the same as derrick white right now it's the shooting thing is real they're top whatever defensive guard a point of attack screen destroyer they can bolt spank threes can finish at the rim using a downhill speed they're just it's clones the spider-man meme like he looks so much alike on the court right now he's gonna get traded for Romeo Langford oh my god what else I've written down oh yeah also right now their offense is horrible when Palo sits he their offensive

his 22 points better with him playing so like all the jumps they're making offensively it's been like him playmaking obviously the scoring two But, you know, we mentioned that they're choosing to use him as, like, the main point forward and not surround him at playmaking and go that route. And we're like, I guess it could work if he keeps developing, but you kind of want to see him next to a point guard. That's still true to some extent, but it's working so far. He's playmaking very well, being the engine of the offense to the point where without him, you see like the true magic. You know, the reason that you doubt them the roster construction when he sits, it really shines. Yeah.

Right now when I see just Paulo, right now, when I see just Polo, right now when I, I watch Paul, I just feel like I'm watching like old man Braun. I'm just like this is like so weird and like I hate that comparison. Weird way. You hate it but it has it's so lazy. It's not lazy literally look at how he's time of why he's like Ron. Okay

listen first off first and foremost the frame is alike. He's not super he's not super athletic big dude but he has a little bit of wiggle to his game and also in terms of just like how he tries to get the nasty bag off is similar in the mid range game and the

offensive creativity similar as well now when it comes to playmaking that's not what people are talking about you just didn't hear what I was saying but when it comes to how he's getting his buckets off and the ways in terms I didn't hear I'm not trying to be nice about it that's all

that's the old man yeah LeBron doesn't do that LeBron doesn't get buckets off midrange like that LeBron has never had that volume midrange jumpers even until like 18 months that's the conversation until 18 months ago LeBron was way more athletic getting to the rim until literally like this year where he's looked really terrible

we don't know to talk about that yet but it's their style of play is so different they're just built the same that's really all it is they just have the same size and they both dribble high similar similarities movement size

that's what I was saying that's fair nice old man Brian I think Mo made his point I think he yeah sure they visually look alike yeah exactly

I think he got you there you go but no I'm high on them I think I don't know how high I should be I know it is they've had some down games where they kind of look like

the things I was scared of with the offense still being iffy but they've had some good games in those three wins where I'm like okay I see the vision so it's still TBD on how high I want to project them to go

but I'm seeing encouraging developments okay okay yes no they are here the magic are here and people should be scared terrified what's your next thing

okay next thing that we're here to talk about i learned that rick carlyle hates bened matherin um do you have 30 yesterday yeah he did it was like in a he had 30 grabbed like 11 rebounds or he was on something like the end of response feels like as in a response to rick carlisle a couple days ago they had a meeting and some things were not leaked but rick harlowe said it himself he was like yeah like just got to be better when comes to rebounding bened at mathern you know of all the things that he he can do whatever basically needs to dumb down his game and just like grab boards and defend and all that and something that i've been saying about benedit on this on this show since we started it's like very interesting player i think he is going to be the

x factor for them and um knowing that seeing how he's had a very interesting career so far whether like through his injuries the very high highs and the low lows it's like not using not looking productive on the court last year at times before the injury. Seeing Rick Hall air out Bennett and Mather and talk about his rebounding issues. Meanwhile, you have 611 miles turner, 610

Pachos Giacom, not grabbing rebounds, grabbing like four or five rebounds a game or whatever or whatever it was at that point of time. It's very interesting to me and then seeing how Bennett and Mathron responds, drops 30, grabs 11 boards and all that other stuff, and just looking like every bit of

impressive and like finishing peace to the ascension that a lot of people want the Indiana Pacers to turn into is interesting. I don't know if what happened because I feel like Rick Carlisle hates him, but it's interesting. I think you're hilarious. You love Benedict.

Yeah. Of course. I love. He's another guy. I love that throughout all the turmoil, you were right and die for Benedict Mathurin. To the point where you think about the Pacer's and I think you want to talk about is the coach's love for fucking Benedict Matherin. When the elephant in the room is Tyree's Now, listen, Tyrese Halliborne cannot escape, but I feel like a lot of, the hate around him is already starting to brew and build.

Nope, we're going to talk about it. We got to talk about it. I have been so unbelievably generous to Tyrese Halliburton all of last year when Twitter was jumping down his throat to say his superstar subscription has ended. His insanity run has ended. I was like, guys, his hamster hurts. Give him a second. Please come on He was top five for a second I promise I wanted him to be a top five point guard So bad I think that ship has sailed I am no longer holding out my breath He looks so unbelievably bad right now

In a way that is unsustainable He'll get better Because right now he looks Worse than he looked as a rookie Right now he's not playing making well Not shooting well Not finishing well not defending well He's just running around

passing the ball too early Not putting any feet in the paint Not generating any room pressure shooting bricks. It's atrocious. It's honestly worrisome. His three-point shot, he changed his form

to try to get it off faster. And he's focusing so much on getting off these quick-trigger threes that he already didn't put a lot of pressure on the rim. He's putting less. He has no threat driving to the rim. People say a lot to the league figure him out.

And usually I think that's lazy. People say that because, like, what does that mean? I think people figure it out that his ass does not want to go in the paint. And if you just stand on his step-back threes, he can't create any separation for anybody, can't create any open passes for anybody because he literally just wants to pull up in three

guard him tight he's not going to run past you he doesn't want to I think people actually figure that out and he can't get anything off right now yeah right now if I put you in the gym with Tyrese Hallibur and are you locking him up like you seem to have the scouting report Loki I tell him to be Isaac

he's locking in his ass up I'm gonna attack that person behind me and see if he wants to finish over my backline health because I'm just gonna stand here and be like drive i'll let you drive every time yeah i'm gonna stand i'm gonna stand on his right side put 40% of his body way over here right wait till i get over here it no it is very it is very very worrisome because i think he's simple right now all three of us are in the same boat we were all saying like guys relax please and like he's very talented to me exactly when he when he runs around like

when tyrese halliburne runs around it it looks very like loony tunish and oh my gosh but like but i say i say that in terms of like sometimes when people play fast it's fine because you know where they're going he looks he looks indecisive right like i i think i think sometimes like you think so i i think so i think like tyrie salibre i think he's mad decisive i think in the worst way possible i think he doesn't know what it it doesn't look like he's in control right now oh so you're going to say you don't think he knows what he wants to do I think he knows exactly what he wants to do He wants to step back from three

And three's not open Pass it to the wing immediately That's exactly he wants to do Every single play It's too decisive He's too decisive He's not looking good He's not reading and reacting

He's passing off dribble way too fast They're also his usage is way down Because I think they're trying to like Be more egalitarian with their coaching That's not going well That's making him even worse Because he's just clearly Focus on getting the ball out of his hands

And letting other people cook Nothing's good Give me cat Tyreys Halliburne's just living up to his scouting report to a certain extent um the number one issue that people talked about with him coming out of college was like yeah this dude has limited real limitations to his game when it comes to like off the dribble creativity which is of course like you can you step back cool you can do that can you be creative within the mid range and can you do something

in the pain and be like attacking so that's why we've been seeing what we've been seeing from Tyreys Halliburton. For a second, we all thought that he figured it out, was scoring, what, 26, 27 a game and all that, stepback was hitting at an insane range or also, like, doing better at going in the paint. And I just reverted back to that. I kind of feel bad to for the Indiana Pages because I feel like if they knew that he was going to be this guy to where, like, he's not, like, superstar level point guard, but

pretty good point guard. Probably could get a all-star game, a couple of all-star games throughout his career. They probably, they wouldn't trade for Pascal Seaccom. You only make a trade for Pascal Seacom when you, You feel like you have a real ability to contend for a championship. That's what Pascal Shackham is, especially at this old age. And now you get rid of your assets, which weren't like, O.D. important or whatever. But now you're at this point to where, like, you're with Tyrese.

I don't want to say he's mid, but he's not what you expected him to be. And you have an aging star in Pascal Shackham, who's good? You're just going to be like, I guess, like, just jokes write themselves. Like, the end of the Pacers are just going to be the Indiana Pacers. Yeah. To be fair, as what they want. They refuse to rebuild. They want to put butts in seats, so good for them.

And I'm not full. I don't think Tyreys Hallburn's ass, you know, like I don't, yeah. I'm not saying he's going to be this bad all year. It's only six games. He'll improve somewhat clearly. I'm just out on him being a top five point guard. Yeah, that's the main thing. And like, when we were talking about his ascension, we're like, oh, my God, he's bigger than Trey.

I'm better than Trey. Oh, my God. Is he going to be in Jamanan conversations and all that? Those are the conversations that he was in. No one's utter than he was worth ever again. Yeah. And now we know he was never. he was never better than Troy Young.

He just had a really hot shooting stretch that wasn't sustainable clearly. And I don't think we're wrong for, like, reacting to way. It's fun when people are clearly making ascensions to react to it and, like, have fun with it. So I don't, like, regret it. Some people were, like, have a lot of animosity online. Like, y'all told me he was going to be elite.

Bozo, look at you. I don't feel bad about it. He was amazing, and we don't have to pretend he wasn't because he's no longer that. But like you said, you can react that way initially and say, oh, this guy's next. And then once you see that, oh, maybe that was wrong, you react again and say,

Okay, he's just a good player, not an amazing player. Indiana Paces, welcome to your fluke season. That is what last year, last year was. From the Eastern Conference Finals appearance to Tyrese Halliborne's ascension to the in-season tournament final appearance, like, was everything fraudulent? Was any a bit real? Did a crazy year. I feel so bad for them, though.

It was like a real building block year for them. And I think now at least like the top five teams, actually not, maybe four. because I'm like the bucks are going backwards as well but there's a lot of teams in the east that are taking steps forward and we listen we talked about it with the magic where like progress isn't linear it's not the same

that's what I was gonna say yeah it's not the same for the patients like we thought we thought that the magic we're gonna have these issues and it's the patients that are now going backwards and have to you know retool or reconfigure how they do things do we made that realization at the exact same time

right we started sentence clicked my brain my debate and my rankings was six and seven between those two teams And I said the magic might have some learning curve. It was just flipped. It was entirely flipped. This is the team that is not linear. That's that's crazy. And that's the way that it's locked in. Yeah. No else I was thinking. I was thinking about it. I was like, oh, that makes total sense. As soon as I see one game, I'm like, oh, I wouldn't thought that if I saw a game. I'm I'm really horrible at predicting things with zero. I was thinking about. I was like, oh, that makes total sense. As soon as I see one game, I'm like, oh, I wouldn't thought that if I saw a game. I'm, I'm really horrible at predicting things with zero. games to go off of. I think I'm pretty good at understanding what I'm looking at and making assumptions off of that. But I am dog shit at making it learning anything when we haven't seen a team play. I cannot project in my mind. I will go through all these mental hoops and I will pick the wrong one five out of ten times. Listen, one thing I will say though, when it comes to

identifying reasons as to why you believe you're right, I'll back you up on this. You are 100% right. You're great. I'm a great argument. Manipulating. Yeah. Yeah, and a lot of times I was wrong. These teams I was wrong about, I had the right idea. No, it is I'm good at identifying an issue or a strength, and I focus too much on that, and I forget other ones. Like, I was totally right about the Nuggets lineup being fine without KCP. Just forgot that, oh, yeah, they have nobody to replace them on the bench,

so the bench is going to be garbage now. So what I mean? Like, with the warriors, I was right. Coming is not going to be a star. They're going to be better despite that, you know? So, like, I identify something right, and I just go too far. with it. Yeah, okay, even with the worries thing. Not too much dip on your chip, all right. No, they're going to be fine. They're going to be good. Okay. Let's see if we could sit here

and say that like two, three weeks from now. Okay. Listen, I want to talk about something that I've learned that all of us were right about. Listen, it is a white boy winter. And Chet Holgren, you are the poster boy. I'm glad you said this. The fact that we are like two hours into this pod and have not mentioned his name is ridiculous because listen shout out to you i think you were trying to tell us hey chet might be you know d p o why it's not when b's to like it's one beast to lose but it's still like chet he's right there shout out to that chet home green you are playing MVP level you are playing d p oi level most improved chet homegrin is he's been what he's been in one of what like the five best players in the

NBA so far he has been outstanding and for what for like all the stuff that we thought he was going to be defensively he is that the offensive creation that he has that he has so far this season is awesome and he only had 19 points last night against the spurs that's because they were beating them down and he didn't have to but in the but in the other games chat hungering is scoring 25 he's getting you know 13 rebounds he's he's putting up anthony davis level production right now and but with a little bit of a bag and you know like that's that's just always nice to see i i'm so like we knew he was going to take a leap i am shocked that it's been this high this soon into the season you're shocked i'm not shocked at

all this is exactly what i thought what happened this high this is exactly what i thought what happened 25 this is exactly what i thought what happened and i've been saying it so listen i just said before this segment started that i'm really bad at predictions and i've had some misses that I am mad at myself for. Because of that, I will happily take a victory lap around Chet Holmgren, only because I have received so much backlash from commenters. Every time I talk about Chet, I swear he gets clipped and put on Twitter into a community where like Rockets, Twitter, and San Goon's fans will ratio the shit out of me because I say I'm easily

picking Chet over Sangoon. And I told you guys in the past, I think I would long term rather have Chet than Palo Banerro. And that has gotten me fried because Palo Banerro dribbles real big and he's a, you know, on ball star, so people love him more. Chad Holmgren, I've been telling you guys in day one, is going to be a top five defensive player in the world while being able to stretch

the floor, while being able to dribble and create off the bounce himself, and being an elite rim finisher on the pick and roll. He is the full package. He is a unbelievable cheat code for team building. If you have any other star, you put them next to the chat and they'll be better because they will have all the

spacing in the world from the five position, all the help behind them in the world blocking shots, a release valve that can create when you pass to him in your double teamed every single box you want from a team building perspective he checks from one player i'm not shocked at all that he's become this guy and i just want you to singoon fans i want you to know that i remember you guys yelling at me and i do not feel bad about telling you to go fuck yourself mm-hmm tell him that isaac i got my listen i'll pull up to houston right now with you with my red tally tubby costume and i'll be right there to back you and i like sangun

i like sing good i just don't like you for overrating him and pretending that chet isn't going to be amazing. Shangood is awesome. Sangu is great. I love him a lot. Chet is different. He's an entire different stratus for your player. Yeah. Sengun would never be as good as Chet. Most people aren't. So it's not as slight to him. People think I hate Sengun or I hate, anytime we get into a player comparison where I say I'd rather have Chet, I said, I said Chet's me better than Bam. I said he's better than Sabonis. All these people. Their fans think I hate their player. I don't give a shit about those players. I just think Chet is awesome. And this is exactly why it's coming to fruition. So far this season

Chet is a what top three center so far Joan B doesn't play so Yeah yeah yeah He's the third best Yeah AD Yokitch and Chet Seeing this ascension happens so soon Offensively because me I see the defense He's been doing that since his rookie year

But the offense to me really pops the creation He was already like Oh he was already great at that But seeing the fluidity and like The responsibility that he's able to carry and hold on a consumer basis. It's just like that right there is what I didn't think that he had to his game just yet. Or that we have just yet.

I assume that it would happen. But, bro, year two or three, whatever you want to call it for him, very impressive. And, yeah, I didn't see this offensively coming. I did not see this offensively coming. But on the other side of things, too, unless you want to say something about Chet again, Isaac. No, just he's casually shooting 88% at the rim right now. I love that glaze. What a way to glaze.

That's demure glazing right there. Classy glazing right there. That's insane. 75% from long mid-range. Three-point shot isn't even falling like that. It's a 33%. So he's been a goon without a three being as good as it was last year

where he was 37%. Once that comes around, like we're looking at someone who's going to be among the most viable players in the NBA. You can have debates versus him versus on ball stars of who's a better,

more talented player. We can do that all day. People are probably going to pick guards still. But if you want to win games, games you need a chat hungry on your team he is going to make every team he's on better for his whole career to an insane degree while we're on the chat home room topic let's talk about one more thing that i learned all right okay i learned that i might have had too much dip on my chip with the san antonio spurs now listen finally they are missing i've been wrong so much yeah

something i will say is that they are missing devon vassel dude hasn't played a second into the season injuries or whatever, cool. But for them to be this level of bad, I understand second best player you're going to be bad, but this level of just like, your team looks just structurally broken because of how teams are defending Victor Wenbanyama, who's like, this is the main conversation here,

is very, very, I don't want to say alarming because it's early season he's going to struggle. I think we're starting to learn, like, he's just one of those players who starts the season are super slow. But, like, seeing how teams are defending him, him and Jeremy Sohan and just seeing like the nasty barricades that they just like put up in front of him. There's two barricades. Victor Miamma in his own mind. And then on top of that too, like

how teams are guarding Jeremy Sahan and the lack of spacing overall. It's insane. Yeah. They'll be better, right? Like you said, Wemby's been terrible. So they're going to eventually hit a strive be better than this. And yeah, Wembe might just be a slow starter every year because right now he looks so unassertive and just like weirdly unimpactful driving. the rim in a way that would be concerning if he was a rookie but we saw him the second half of last year be a demon finishing at the rim being a lot of threat finishing pick and rolls

even attacking off the dribble some he just like really doesn't have that oomph right now and I don't know if it's a discomfort thing maybe they're maybe they're playing a little differently with Chris Paul and everybody in line up trying to be more egalitarian I don't know exactly what it is but he's not comfortable whatsoever man I'm so sick

you said that you said that word twice I need people to stop overthinking stuff stop doing this this egalitarian stuff you have victor women yama this is supposed to be his year for the jump chris paul give him the rock give him the rock and get out the way now you can't do that now listen you can't do that though because because sohan is right there and there's and they're like listen we will we will double off off of sohan and there's going to be two guys on wimbi so he can't you know he can't just just get the rock and do whatever also as as seven

five like you've already seen it he's like when he's down low a lot of people just could be like he's seven five just close him up he's getting pushed out like he is he is getting overpowered a little bit but that but that's why you have to you have to be creative in where you deploy him like you he's not going to be this traditional hakeem alajuan david robinson we're just going to throw it to you on the block and you're going to go do a post move and score like he he he is nimble enough to where he can move around and i think that as i think that when visell does he's he's does come back and the spacing does get a little bit better to be able to put in some lineups to where you're going to see when being a lot of more favorable spots and more

advantageous things. And then that two-man game between him and Chris Paul will probably get off the ground. I also, like you just mentioned Chris Ball. Mo, you mentioned the start of this that you're a little too high on them. And the reason that probably you were high on them is because everybody on Twitter told you, you saw it nonstop that Harrison Barnes and Chris Paul were were going to change this team. We have adults in the room. They're going to be so competent, yada, yada yada. And I just vote those people did not watch Chris Paul last year

and damn sure didn't watch Harrison Barnes last year. Harrison Barnes does cardio. He is tall and he runs. That's all he does. Harrison Barnes is not terrible, I guess. He's not going to shoot you out of the game like certain veterans that are on the bench these days.

But he's not going to elevate you in any way either. Harrison Barnes is just there. You can't help yourself. Maybe Harrison Barnes is a good locker room presence and he helps young players come around. I wouldn't know either way. But on the court, he's not going to elevate people

to the point where you should predict them to be in the play in race because they added these veterans. Like he's not Fred Van Vleet to the Rockets a couple years ago. That's not him. And Chris Paul, I understand it could be really good

if they get clicking to see him throw a lobster Wemby. Chris Paul's old as fuck, man. Chris Paul doesn't generate room pressure. He doesn't really shoot off the triple threes. The midi isn't what it used to be. You can't get by anybody. Damn sure can't defend anybody.

Like these are just are not the type of veterans that are going to make them a good team with a high floor by the nature of being there. Yeah. something I will say is that yeah I'm aware that like Harrison Barnes isn't like

a Reverend Vee level type of veteran who's just there to like elevate Chris Paul is not Chris Paul from back in what the year 2019 2020 back when he was an OKC did not expect that type of or that level of competence all I expected was like again

this is like week one into the NBA so things may very well may change but I did not expect these guys to just like look like what the spurs had last year i did not expect like tray jones and chris paul to have like the same level of production just early into the season at least it feels like at this point in time now again easy to say they're they're missing on deb of a cell and spacing is horrendous right now and wemby's just not wemby maybe if wemby was wemby for like

two games then we're probably talking about this team a little bit differently so yeah yeah he can keep that on wendy too webby's also not playing well webby's his shots off falling for one. A lot of people are focusing on him taking too many shots. I saw somebody say the league better be thankful. He decided to be Katie and not Hakeem. Why do we actually get the option to be Hakeem? Look how he's built.

Like, that's not going to be his game ever. People are like, he's not going to be God. He can't do everything. I think it's totally fine that he's focusing on building out the three-point shot and being this insane weapon like Chet is shooting the ball that can use that shooting gravity to attack the rim. Like, it's not crazy that he's trying to develop that part of his game. But it looks crazy when you're shooting a lot of shots and missing them

and not attacking the room like he wants to worry. And I think it's on the spurs. You mentioned that you want them to give him the rock and get out of the way like Wemby do his thing. No,

they need to put him in position to finish plays. No, no, that's what I'm saying. I'm saying, I'm saying people will see Wemby and say he's 7.5, give him the ball, get out the way.

But like you said, the way that he's built, like that's not, that's not, that's not efficient enough for him to do that. Yeah. And it's not even like

the way he's built. He's just not playing well right now in that regard. They need to do, better at getting him into flow of the game early and letting him finish pick and roll plays, letting him, you know, have shots created for him to get his rhythm going. He's done way, they've done way too much here, create your own shot, Wembe, and not enough, let's create for him.

And part of that is probably, like you said, because Vassell's gone. Chris Paul and Trey Jones don't create these type of advantages for him very easily. And Sohan's been defending well, but he's also not a huge advantage creator on ball like that. So hopefully Gavin Vassell back, you know, fixes that. but it's just not been pretty at all for Wemby and because of him and not because of him. Wembe, I had too much stocking you coming into this season. Lock in!

Locking! Do you want. Yeah. Oh, one more team want to talk about. Yo. I am liquidating my stock in Zion Williamson. Liquidating. I am liquidating my stock in Zon.

All of it? You go bankrupt? I just don't want it anymore. I think maybe. Maybe it'll have some return in the future. Maybe it works out and it rises in value. But I don't want to be there for that roller coaster anymore. What did I tell you last season?

I don't wash my hands of it. What did I say? What I say? There's certain players where you know that they're good and you know that they have potential. But you just get to a point where you say, I just can't live like this. I just can't do this on a day-to-day basis. That's exactly how I feel. I can't live with being a Zion Williamson defender anymore because I know I know he will bounce back.

He will not be this bad start the season as he will be all year. We see this last year. I'm sick and tired of there being so many downs and not enough period of domination. And so many times where I got to say the Pelicans are stupid, they play stupid, the roster stupid, all these things. And not enough times where his talent wins out despite of that. And not enough development in his game. He looks exactly the same as he did in his second year when he came in and he was playing

like a star and we were like, oh my God, he's so good, so young. this guy's future top five player in the world what does he got better at since then you know if people make jokes like what are you doing all summer Rudy Gobert and all stuff weird is not that good

yeah literally beer literally what is Zion literally what is Zion doing in the summer Monarchas beard grown what do you mean

I can't say I can't say that is on hose that's all he's all summer bro what is Rudy Goldberg against slander they love him

they're looking for when it's Rudy Colbert, I don't really care because he's just not that talented offensively so I don't expect him to make strides Zion Williamson is that talented he does have that frame he does have the touch that if he develops you can see him

getting better at certain skills I've seen him do that drop step with that fucking left-handed floater every single game since his rookie year and nothing has changed he's not a better shooter he's not a better passer he dams her not a better defender

he's not a better rebounder he's not a more crafty player in the post he is the exact same player and maybe he's focusing the summer on staying healthy and he's really focusing on his body great, that's been inconsistent the lack of domination

and the lack of extended times in which I've seen the skill set went out and he shows the flashes of why he could be this great player there's not enough flashes anymore and I'm just tired of him not I'm tired of him needing the perfect scenario and him not being able to rise the tide

of the terrible team around him yeah I can agree with you for sure something I'll say is like with Zahn it's like you have to jump hoops you have to do mental gymnastics for him to just like prevail through all these things.

Don't I fucking know. Yeah, you do. And you're not wrong for it necessarily. I don't blame you. But like, because like I blame you. Again, again, again, again. Dude, David Griffin and also their head coach

is just not putting him in best place to go ahead and thrive and eat. I think for Zon Williams at this point in time, he's the type of player who needs to be set up perfectly. And for all great, great players like damn your all time group players that we're talking about here or these superstar level players things are not going to be set up for you perfectly is your skill and is your talent on the corner going to prevail through all that so far zan has proved no he's not and as i'm looking

at zon like he's a great player cool player and i think on tuesday earlier this week i said i just made some wild prediction had nothing to do with each other but paulo ban caro is this is the season that he's going to like leap and like surpass zon as a player oh dumb like well rankings and stuff like coming to the season I wouldn't have thought that but so far seeing what Paul's done

and the improvements that he's made on his all around game compared to Zahn I'm like yeah no like this is not even I don't know what's I saw a tweet

but not a conversation I saw a tweet that said the ship has sailed on Zahn and a great player that's a good way to phrase it he's gonna be a good player ship has sailed

on him being great I mean by great is like I don't know top 15 in the world yeah any period time that ship is done and in that regard

he's bust no he's not a bust in traditional sense he's not a bust in traditional sense he's not Anthony Bennett like he's not going to be out the league terrible but he's we thought he could be the best player in the world when he was drafted

after he missed seat tier bust there you go he had his first season of extended play he played like 50 games we were like wow we just saw a top 10 player

in the world for those 50 games he was playing at that level producing at that level and he has failed to reach that level for a single 15 game stretch since we saw it in the play in turn so we know it's possible. But you know what?

Good players have a lot of good stretches where they play like great players. But what makes a great player is they can do it over extended time and can be reliable to do it and reliable to provide value to their team because they can do that consistently. That doesn't appear to be him.

And again, Jalen Brown is a good player. He can be the 25th best player in the world and occasionally he has stretches where he plays like a great player. Jason Tatum is a great player because he can do that all the time and he can make people around him better and you don't have to have hesitation

about whether he can lead your team because you know the consistency will be there. Zion Williamson is more like Jalen Brown than he is Jason Tatum. I will say that when it comes to Zion and his like specific weaknesses, which is like, of course, like a spacing and he's not the greatest defender in the world either. Like having those weaknesses stick out like a sore thumb when you're not being ultra great. And when it comes to like a team building perspective and all that, like it's, I don't want to say he's like an inconvenience or whatever, but it's just hard to build around when you're not being a superstar on a consistent basis.

It's so hard to build. You can say it. You can say it. He has been a liability for the first five games of the season. He's been maybe their biggest issue. You're paying max money

to a guy who can't shoot, can only pass a little bit when the ball is in his hands because it's not often in his hands. He can't space the floor. He's not a below the rim lop there anymore. He plays below the rim now. You can't put him in the dunker spot

and throw a loss to him. He's not going to provide defensive value. He's not going to be a good off ball player. Unless he is cooking with the ball in his hands, he doesn't provide value right now with the way the roster is constructed. And we're bearing the lead here. the roster is also constructed

fucking stupid without Ajante and Murray they are terrible right now last season we came into it we were all down on the Pelicans we said they have a bunch of forwards no playmaking no defense they came out and they had a great season

because they manufactured a good defense with people around them and they had a good egalitarian offense I didn't need a lead playmaker you know I shit on Dillon's Valentine's a lot last year for being the problem

there defensively they miss him because right now we're no Dejante they once again have no playmaking and also no threat offensively at the five it is very hard in the NBA to be a good offense

when you don't have a five that can provide offensive threat at all to do that you need to have a Luca Donchich who can just simply create wide open shots and he can finish lobs

if you don't have that and you can't manufacture open looks for you're big and they can't create for themselves think about that no passengers on this team with no Dezonte Murray nobody to organize

and no five like Jonas Van Tunis to be a threat there and provide anything The only way to survive is that you need to be a demon like Anthony Edwards of that

like Anthony Edwards in an aspect And Zion Williamson is just simply not that demon. Yeah, and then no playmakers. Because, again, they had Dejante, so they addressed that. So maybe they would have been good with him. That's why I predicted them to be the, what I put them at 9. I thought they'd be in the playing race.

Without Dejante, they look like dog shit. And he'll come back, so they're not going to be, they're not sunk for the season. But they're going to be in a hole with him missing an extended period of time. Because this team is not good right now. You are scared today. I feel the hate. I feel the frustration. This is coming out of your voice.

And I love it. I'm so sick of this man we're calling ISO's all day I love this I'm so tired of Zonmelimson because I love him so much he's such a great player when he's at his peak

one of my favorite players to watch since college I had been ride or die for him I had a tweet the other day where I said no matter what happens I'm gonna I said a tweet a couple of days ago

where I said no matter what happens I'm gonna defend Darius Garland so if you come to me expecting me to be objective by Darius Garland get out of here because I'm gonna ride for him that's how I thought about Zion too

and I think he's broken me heartbreak betrayal pain and agony i feel you on that hopefully again early in the season hopefully things change and the system starts to bend and change because he's a simply two-ponent of a force to disregard like they've been disregard him but i don't know if that's going to happen i thought it was going to happen last year it didn't happen last year we've seen it in spurts like we did versus the the lakers just last season but i don't know on john wilmson it's sad it's disappointing disappointing so far at least gonna be a very good player don't expect him to be a very

great player yeah and you don't draft zion to be great bro i mean to be good you dropped him to be great it's not worth it man somebody turn on the duke zion highlights somebody turn on the year two zion highlights let's go back to the good old days man is sad and with that being said on the tick talk time who let's get some good energy going let's do some talk about something happy Boom, boom, boom, ground eaters rejoice. I give Zon Williamson a doom. Welcome to TikTok time. Should be a fun one.

No draft today. But Mo, I believe you have a tierless for us to begin with. Yes, I do. So for this tierless, I'm going to be asking y'all to rank these NBA pregame rituals now okay okay that's all over the years this is not this year this is our bag in general like yeah things around basketball is our bag pre pregame rituals are usually we see dudes praying or whatever i think we've seen in the past someone like westbrook just takes a tunnel shot or curry tunnel shot or whatever there's so many pregame rituals over the

years hell of interesting ones funny ones disrespectful ones cool ones iconic ones i want to you to let me where they lay. Yeah. I think there's more recognizable ones and people would think people might hear pregame ritual

what the fuck are we talking about but there's more like the thing about the LeBron chalk toss all the other iconic ones

like say say to you pay attention there's going to be some good stuff that you don't remember yeah yeah

yeah exactly so I want you to put these NBA that's a crazy boss I was like yeah

yeah no I saw something on my phone I got a text I don't even want to grow it's crazy Okay Put these NBA pregame rituals

Into a tier list First up Let's knock it out LeBron James chock toss It's iconic It's S tier There's really There's really no debate

Not to be a typical LeBron fan But this is among the best of the best In this specific category So I'm gonna go S tier It's not typical bro This should be factual This should be nationwide worldwide

I think you might have to create a new tier S plus Oh okay okay okay okay I'm kidding stand up stand up okay next up okay

next up we got Tim Duckin holding the ball hugging the ball pregame this asks the Tim Duncan mystique so much

him's like not showing his face just in his bag basketball it's a cool it's a cool picture but like if you're about to go

to war and you're just like holding a basketball it's not as intimidating not as iconic as maybe some of the other ones I'll put it in a tier yeah he's fine it's not chalk toss but if I see this one stoic robot

on the other side just like worshiping the art of the ball before the game starts I'm not gonna like it yeah not gonna like it just know that you're probably gonna be cooked yeah exactly I'd rather see you start shouting

yeah is he okay man is everything okay at home it's like that kid in the classroom is in the corner and just, uh, you're the opposite of that

where he's just so in the zone. I don't want to listen. Just meditating? Yeah. You got something for me. Yeah. Sto cold killer.

All right. Next up, we got Russell Westbrook in his iconic handshake and dances. The campaign special. This is what campaign got put on the map for.

This is what he is able to. Campaign still has a job in the NBA today. Do you think it's because he can shoot threes? No. Because he knows how to hit them folks. Yeah.

On top of that, he could hype a Westbrook to hit them folks. Oh, man. Everyone is supporting their lives. It's like a 3-&D shooter. You get a 3-D dancer. Exactly. Listen, the dance moves were hard.

Russell Westbrook got into the zone with this and the power of friendship elevates it. I'm putting it in at least a tier. I think we go S-tier. for the moment in time when Westbrook was on his now I do what I want like it was like so perfect with that and we hit them folks

was the thing yeah exactly y'all y'all don't get it y'all don't get it you don't understand wait so show me how to hit can you don't give you everything right now I can give you everything

really hug you don't know about that you don't know about that S tier just for that is for so S tier it's a show S tier it's a sure

bro. Y'all clip that. I don't want to see that on my Twitter. In the fro zone. And the pros on is hilarious. I don't know what you're talking about. How is next? Okay.

Next up, we got Dway doing his pull-ups on the rim. That's hard. That's hard. I'm giving that at least an A-tier. Can everything be an A-Tier? No. He picked the best of the best. I'm sorry.

They're all cool. How's that cool? It's a prison workout in the middle of the NBA game or before an NBA game. Exactly. You know exactly what type of timing I'm on.

I don't care about the whistle. This is not the official NBA rules. These are prison rules. All right. I'm ready to go to battle. Are you ready? If you're not, just say that.

Right? But I'm here. Getting my working. Right? Ready to look you in the eye. You need to be prepared. It's better than his statue. I'll tell you that.

If he's at you as him doing pull-ups, oh my goodness. No, pull-ups definitely has a run-through-a-mother's face energy with it. Over and over and over. We'll keep it moving. Speaking of running through a motherfucker's face,

what about K.G's bashing his head into the goddamn goal, bro. That's that stupid. That's a stupid. I see this picture. I see this picture right now. I'm ready to go to 24-hour fitness and hoop. He has me ready to hoop up people at 3 p.m.

He could motivate me to think I could lock down LeBron James. He would make me feel like I can take the assignment. This is just peak, run through a wall energy. It's the opposite of Tim Duncan's, but it's even better. You wonder, you want, listen, Camagarnet literally sweats intensity. Like all that, that's not, that's not just, that's not just because he's, you know, working hard. That is just, uh, it just all the. Energy just has to come out somewhere.

That's what that is. I watch Cameron to do this and I believe he can do anything. If you wanted to destabilize a small country by himself, I think he could do it. I think he could do anything he put his mind to. Goddamn, whatever, just basketball. I love that, though. He could ruin the economy of a small European nation. See, that's the thing.

That's the thing you don't understand. It's more than just basketball. All right, all right. This guy right before ticked on time, batches him to the wall. This is his life. All right. Okay. Who's the doctorate of the shit, Mo?

All right. Man, let's hoop right now. Next up. I got me ready to play. We got KD. doing his dance routine in the Roar's locker room. See? You're honest?

Kevin. He's knocking those knees together. Kevin has fun. Why can't Kevin have fun? Do you know the move? Yeah. The move that Kevin Durant is pulling himself up. Do you know what that?

that is, that's a Dave Chappelle crackhead skit. I need you to lock it. All right. I'm glad he's having his fun. Yeah. It's not, it stands out for the rest on this list. I'll say that. It's more, it's a better meme than it is pregame ritual. Yeah. It's a good reaction video, but it's not hard. It's not hard. It's not motivating me to do anything. Exactly. We'll go see. Okay. See? Damn. That's tough, Katie. They hate it. They hatein hard. All right. Next up, we got Kobe Bryant, Listening to, so background, in an interview, he said that he, after every game he would listen to, or before every game, he would listen to the Halloween song on repeat, Michael Myers Halloween song, on repeat to lock in. So every game, he'll just have his headphones in, tuning in, bro. To the Halloween theme?

Yeah, Halloween theme song. I don't feel like this is true. It's true. No, I can see you. It's true. I believe you read that. I believe you read that. No, he said it.

I believe he said that. I believe he said that. Sounds like some, you know, a couple is really good at building his own mythos. I'll say that. There's pictures,

I don't know. I kind of believe it with how insane he is. I won't put it past him. The Halloween theme, every game. Listen, if we are following precedent

that we've set on this tier list before, it's Kobe Bryant, so it says tier. Oh my God. Okay. Jesus Christ. Mo,

where do you want to put it as a rational human being? Me, I put him in D because it's kind of like, you try to make S plus. What are you talking about? Put Kobe and S.D.

Listen, listen, listen, listen, listen. I got the remote. It's Kobe. I got to be real. I got to be real. I got to be real. But at the same time, too, it's kind of corny.

Okay. Next up. Y'all suck. I hate that. All right. Next up, we got Michael Jordan's chalk toss, bro. This is actually a troll. He would throw chalk into the commentators

and they would have like blind. folds in their eyes and mask and like umbrellas because mj would throw it into them instead of like around them or in the air it's got just an asshole inconvenient see workers put that in it up put that enough these radio notes aren't paid that well you're over there making their day worse you're upsetting their allergies messing up their outfits are you going to buy them a new suit jordan i don't think so talcum powder in your eyes right before you have to call a game for two hours no that's that's just rude no compassion for the working class honestly this man is not a comrade Where are your manners?

Aren't you from the South? Didn't you grow up in North Carolina? Where's your southern hospitality, Michael? Where's your understanding of the proletariat issues? Come on. Let's talk about it. Y'all saying he's a walking health and safety protocol issue, bro. God damn.

He's a hazard in the workplace. Hate to see it. F for real? Yeah. F for real. F to you. Wow. Just this asshole.

What do you want me to say? He's just mean. I mean, he's living up to who he is. He's him authentically. He ain't trying too hard. Damn, no love for to go, I guess. Nope. Knobing a little bit.

And the last one, we got Steph Curry running to the camera every single game starts. Hmm. It's running up big. Donovan? Don't say us here. What? Putting this in nature. Sometimes, you just have the zoomies and you just got to get it out.

You got to calm yourself down. Yeah. So, listen, as like, is crazy. Does he a Cocker Spaniel? For being, for being practical, right? For helping him, for helping him get his knees ready. I'm going eight here. The Zoom is the perfect way to describe this. Yeah.

That can't be higher than a B tier if we're being generous. Yeah, I agree. I agree. I didn't want to put it in an F, but. There's nothing to be right now. We can slide him above KD. We're going to put stuff above KD in every circumstance ever. This is no different.

Steph better. Stuff better. Okay. To the ritual. Looking at this, tier list, is there anything that we should move? What we should do this.

You should have did Seth Curry doing the dribbles. Remember back in 2016 when they should show that shit on ESPN? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, beforehand. Yeah, I remember that. He has so many rituals, though. That was so much blaze. Yeah.

Do you use the hell out of him for that was crazy? You remember the kid who like, the arena to watch him dribble? Yeah, I remember there was a kid dressed up in Atlanta. in a full Steph Curry costume or whatever it would do the same thing and kids ESPN saw that put him right next to Steph literally

and it was just like nobody had never seen that before he changed the game I can look up a five minute YouTube tutorial and show the exact same thing for you to you and I bet you it was made after 2016 after Steph showed the world how to dribble

you know step invented the dribble how about that how would be honest Steph invented bouncing the ball with one hand and catching it with the other other. Did anybody ever go in between the legs before Step Curry? Have we even thought to stop for a second and think, has anybody ever known what basketball was before Steph Curry? You all are disgusting. Most people are right-handed. What if you went to the other side, right? What if you used your left hand? I don't think people were thinking about that before step-term. I don't know if anybody realized that you could get a

ball, hopefully leather, bound by rubber, and put it into a hoop and have it be a fun game. Enough of this madness. Oh my God. This was disgusting. What's a up? bore of glaze that just came out of nowhere enough i'm just tired of not having the conversation that you'd be had that's what i'm saying i mean listen because like i read it tone around the truth exactly because i read somewhere that he was the one who told may smith to take the to take the bottom off the net so that play could speed up i read somewhere that at the star of the universe there was adams and it'd get turned into two people and i've heard that stuff curry it's all right enough was step curry god damn i heard you buy two hundred bad

of one oxygen to create life. Steph Curry. What have you done? You've not only ruined the game of basketball by forcing everyone to shoot threes, but you've started to ruin the mind of podcasters like me and my co-host, bro. I hope you're happy.

Would the Big Bang even be possible? And it just doesn't end. Uh-huh. On to the next video. Like KG and this thing. Mike, double bang step curry big vein theory i mean is added up

next thing next thing donovan i believe you have something for us now yes right let me get my list out all right so look i'm going to give you guys two teams and i'm going to add a player to each team i want you guys to tell me which one is better okay so it's like the team

like 2024 plus adding this player to who they already have yes current current teams adding this current player and then we'll see who's better. Okay. All right. So the first matchup we have the Miami Heat with Jalen Brown or the Denver Nuggets were Bradley Biel.

Wow. Adding Bradley Biel is so nasty. Yeah. I'm just saying the Nuggets need a bucket and Bradley Bill is a bucket. Ideally I'd like those buckets to be from three and it's not necessarily his 14 anymore, but he can do it. He'd probably do it better than Christian Brown. But obviously I'm going with

Miami Heat with Jalen Brown, I think. Hmm. Why? Actually, no, I know. Let me take that back. That's not obvious. I think I'd probably go Denver Nuggets because I know, like, yeah, this is probably a championship team, but not more so because Bradley Biel. You know what? He has a little bit more to work with. That's it. You know what? I'm going with the Nuggets because you know what I'm doing? I'm putting Bradley Biel on the bench to save that bench. And I'm letting them know the Nuggets finally has some firepower there so they don't have to rely on Russell Westbrook and Dario Sarich. Give me the Nuggets. Okay.

Okay. All right. I think, yeah, I would take the nuggets. They have the best player here. And then if you give them just a little bit more scoring points, I would take that. I think J.B. on the Miami is a little bit more redundant because they already have Jimmy Buller who gets his buckets off in similar-ish ways, aren't very strong three-point shooters, even though Jalen Brown is literally like average at it, good at it. Okay. I don't know. One second. Now, listen, the heat with Jalen Brown would still be amazing, though.

yeah that would be amazing hey wait Tyler hero Jimmy Butler or Tyler Hero Jalen Brown Jimmy Butler Hawkes and Bam

that's actually nice but they're still not better than Denver Nuggets though I'm definitely taking I'm definitely taking Bradley Bue off of the bench We got the Orlando Magic with Cade Cunningham

or the New Orleans Pelicans with La Mello Ball Put Lamello in New Orleans put Lamello in New Orleans although I appreciate Cade Cunningham and his playmaking abilities. But having Lamello and Zion, simply for the highlights, does me the right way, bro. I love it.

Give me the magic. Are you kidding me? If I have the magic, another big guard who can defend and another passer which they desperately need, he's shooting the ball at 40% so far this year. Cade would make them incredible. They would be like a top two seed in the Eastern Conference of Cade. Okay, but who's having better highlights? Who's having more highlights? I'm not talking about winning. I'm talking about fun. Lamello and Zon doesn't get up these days like that. For six business days. You're going to get a, one dunk a year because Zion plays under the rim 42 other games he's going to be

staying in the corner doing nothing while Lamello does Ool in basketball give you the magic Sia listen between Zion's hamstrings and Lamello's ankles we might never see that combination today I'm taking the Orlando Magic in the NBA damn I know it's going to sound real good to see Lamello and Zion on picking roles but in reality you're going to watch

C.J McCollum and Andrew and Brandon Ingram shoot mid-range jumpers all game yeah Orlando Magic you guys got it and they still won't play chair murphy enough hate to see it next up we have the alana hawks with wemby or the los angeles clippers with chet homegrin why would you put chet in the clippers that's so nasty no one wants to see that that'll just ruin him as a player okay am i assuming that kawai leonard's knees are completely healed and he's going to play no kawai leonard just james hardin and chet homegrin and the clippers

you versus Tray Young, Hawks, Wemby. You gotta be out your goddamn mind you think I'm picking the Clippers. Give me Trey Young and Wembe with Jalen Johnson and Reese Shay and Dyson Daniels. That is a million times more entertaining.

It might be even better of a team. Shout out of Tailu. I bet he'll get a lot out of Chad Home Run. Without Kauai, I don't want anything to do with the Clippers from a fun standpoint. Amir coffee doesn't move you? Man.

As a big three. James Hardin? Terrence Man. Terran's man has some nights. That's what I'm saying. James Hardin, Terrence, Man. Amir Coffee. Chair Holmgren?

You're trying to have to say Norm Powell because you're a twin, but Norm Powell. Listen, I just think Norm Powell's really good. He doesn't deserve to be in a big coffee conversation. Man.

We all want to see Tray and Wemby play together. We thought it might be on the Spurs one day. I don't know yet. However it needs to be done, let me see it. It's going to be done. Oh, actually is not. It's not going to be done. Yep, yep.

You put Trey, Wemby, Jalen Johnson, Rishishish. Bro, these are the greatest biracial that the league has to offer give me the hawks you didn't even mention dyson daniels like they have the light skins over there even now wow yeah sometimes when i see sometimes when i see dyson resacea and jalen johnson for a second i'm like oh who's who it does it's a lot of haircuts it is a lot of light they're all six nine they're all look the same it's a lot of tan who's all right next up we have the indiana paces with donovan

mitchell or the sacramento kings with anthony edwards pro the last thing the sacramento kings need is another on ball guard who needs a ball in his hands that would be a nightmare four of them kind of demar aunt uh demar aunt and fox aunt that's don't look right subonis that doesn't my stomach hurt that makes my stomach hurt it moves me but it moves me too much too much going on for anthony edwards he have so much time standing in the corner it would piss me off for him yeah exactly i think someone like donovan Mitchell to Indiana would solve all their woes of Tyreys Halliburn. You didn't got no...

Yeah, imagine if Andrew Nimbab was, like, amazing at everything. Did you get Donovan Mitchell? Same size. That's hilarious. He would fit great with Pascal Seaghan. We're going to see more Tyre's Halliburton and really not doing anything because he's put the ball in Donne of Mitchell's hands. Yeah, he's going to pass with intention now, bro.

It's going to help him. Yeah, intention of getting it straight to Donovan Mitchell over there. At this point, we're acting like he's 6-6-Bent Simmons. He's like it like he's six expensive lately Benz's conversations Oh my goodness Oh my goodness

How the mighty have fallen Let's relax Let's relax Next team We have the Lakers with Embed Or the Bucks with Yokic Ooh See you're setting me up to shit on my favorite team

You know goddamn well I'm picking the team That has the first player in the You know goddamn well I'm picking the team That's a best player in the world And also has a second best player In the world next to him Give me the Bucks Yonison

and Yonis and Yonis They can't guard anybody though It doesn't matter If you have Yokic throwing the ball To Yonis cutting You're going to score a thousand points a game And imagine having Yokic doing his dribble handoffs Instead of Jamal Murray

A better version of Jamal Murray And Damien Lillard Who hasn't seen Ray? Not much can save the Milwaukee Bucks Not much can free them from Doc Rivers In competency and free them from Yonis and Dame having no chemistry Nicole Yokch could do it

He can be the one thing that fixes them I feel confident in that Lebron, Ad, and Joelle and B just won a gold medal together and that means nothing to you. Congrats, you beat Fosser Campazo. I love to see, but that doesn't mean anything to me. Yokish was a second. Yolkis made him sweat.

It mess if it had Yonis and Dame next to him. Oh, no, listen, that's because Bogie was going crazy. We can bring bogey along with it. Why not? Listen, if it's Yokic and bogey, all right, you got it. You got it. Next team, we have the Washington Wizards with Luca

or the Portland Trailblazers with Janus. I got bad news for you guys. But not even Janus can save the Portland Trailblazers. Chauncey Billups is still there. I'm sad to alarm you of that. It's not happening. Give me Luca alongside Jordan. Give me Luca alongside Jordan Pool.

That is fantastic, entertaining ball. No, alongside Joe. You've seen Bilal Kula Bali lately? Don't even get me started. Don't even get me started. We shouldn't even touch on it in the episode. God. I know.

I forgot. Next week, next week, next week next week. I'm picking, just give me Luca Just give me one V5 If you think Janus looks bad Playing next to Doc Rivers Imagine him playing for Chauncey Billups It would not be pretty sight to see

Give me the Wizards Yeah, even worse spacing Seeing Janice next to DeAndre Aten, bro He might put that dude in the choke hole Two weeks into him peeing a blazer I don't want to see that happen I would feel bad for the Scoot Henderson And the spotlight that would be on him

If he had to play next to Janus It wouldn't be pretty No, he would be That would be bad That would be bad Speaking of stock, I might be selling soon. Oh. Okay.

Next team. Soft launching. I know. Listen, the Miami Heat with Peyton Pritchard or the Minnesota Timberwolves with Patrick Beverly. No, they had Pat Bev already. And I was already fun enough. But this version of the Timberwolves.

Who gets better? Or who gets worse? Well, so we're making the Timberwolves worse. Pat Bev does have a podcast. He is bringing some type of attention. Yeah, we'll bring engagement. Engagement, exactly. Let's see.

Do we want to add a non-MBA player to a good team or a NBA player to a mediocre team? See, you feel like that. I view, do I want to add someone with no social media presence versus someone who's well-versed in the social media area and will help expand and put my social media team on game? What does that have to do with basketball? have to do with buckets.

Payton Pritchard instantly can add six points a game. He can hit a three at the end of the second quarter. He can hit a three at the end of the third quarter. And that is what Miami needs. Pat Bev is getting up at least eight points a game. You think Pat Bev could get Anthony Edwards on his podcast? If so, give me Pat Bev. That's more entertainment.

Like that 40 minutes of Anthony Edwards on that pod is equal to like the 20 minutes that Patrick, that, uh, preacher would have throughout the entire season. Yeah, give you have, Bev. Disrespectful. Next one. The Boston Celtics with Killian Hayes or the Chicago Bulls with Michael Jordan and Scotty Pippin.

And Scotty Pimpin. Can the goat carry Josh Giddy and Nicole Vucevic to a championship over the best team of the year? Give me the Celtics. Fuck that shit. I don't want to see that at all. You went Kellyan Hayes?

Hey, we're going to need three Michael Jordans to carry all these fucking shit. Now, mind you, mind you, in this scenario, Killian Hayes is playing minimum 15 minutes a night. All right, man. Losing 15 minutes of basketball is insane. Yeah, you can't do that. You can't do that. Also, 10 minutes.

10 minutes of Killian Hayes versus Jordan and Pippin. Who wins? Again, you lose, losing 10 minutes at basketball is... Five minutes of Killian Hayes versus Jordan. And then Pippin. Five minutes too long. I'm sorry, but you're losing. I'm not going with the Bulls.

We're trusting in the go at this rate. Josh, you better hit some corner threes, motherfucking. They're playing good basketball right now, though. I will say that. Great. It's been five games.

By the hype, if you'd like. Me, no, thank you. And shout up them running real fast and shooting three is, though. Exactly. Better than what they were doing last year. That's how you have to play when you suck. Just run.

Literally, yeah. You got to manufacture or something. Tyree John, you got me thinking. You got me thinking. The next thing we're going to do is we're going to bring back old versus new. I haven't done this in a while. You know, it's a T.E3 classic. This one will be real simple.

We're going to do NBA Big Men. So I'm going to name you one former player versus one current player. You tell me who you'd rather have both of their peak. Who'd rather have on your team to build around? Talk to me. Let's do it. So first matchup, old. versus new palo bancaro or yow ming see kima it's just peaks so you get that one year of yow ming

where he was insane versus what like three weeks of palo bank caro at his peak okay five games what palo's done so far listen in five games the season palo bank caro has dropped 50 points i don't know if yow at his peak is doing that give me palo i'm playing i'm playing i'm playing Give me the 7-6 dude at his peak. I'm taking you out. I don't know if I, what do Y'all-Ming look like in today's game? He's incomparable.

Wemby plus 100 pounds. Whimby, they can't move? Oh. I don't know who would be looked like, who he would look like. Is he, he's Zach Eady, but with like, what?

Like a veteran savvy? Yeah. That's hilarious. We better respect Yom Ming in this house. We're going to Yomene. exactly yeah i still have yamine's autograph you have his autograph yeah we're in like elementary school

in elementary school we went to like a food bank thing to like volunteer and he was there so he like gave us oh he was at the food banks he's looking out for the community i'm picking yamaing in an instant philanthropist palo you better get down to the boys and girls club if you want to catch up to yelming you better mentor some kids keep him on the straight and narrow

you better donate some lunchebles versus DeMarcus cousins Now when it comes to straight up highlights in bully basketball Of course I'm leaning buggy But I'm trying to actually win games And be productive here It's Chet in a heartbeat.

That defense alone Chet in a heartbeat, bro Yeah, people are going to hear that And they're going to be pissed You didn't know if the Marcus was a bucket Don't care Give me the DPOI level defender That can shoot a three,

attack the rim, and finish dunks It's getting ridiculous At his peak, DeMarc's cousin was 26 and 12 And Chet Hongren is doing that right now with defense, give me Chad Holmgren. Maybe I'm overreacting in five games. Maybe so. Maybe I'm not. Maybe Chad Holmgren is a future top 12 player in the league. How about that? I told you guys, it's a white boy winner and and Chad Holmgren is the poster boy. That white boy is

dangerous. Y'all got it. Anthony Davis versus Patrick Ewing. Patrick Ewing. I'm taking Pat. Patrick Ewing. I'm taking Pat. Patrick Ewing. I'm taking Pat. But this year of Anthony Davis is different, though. There's been crazy years of Patrick Ewan. Their husband. Like, you know what I'm saying? If we're just going peak for peak. So I'm taking, I'm taking Patrick Ewan.

We forget about this. AD does have a ring in which he average 27 and 12 to get it. Go ahead. Go ahead. You not moved? Disrespect Pat some more. That's fine. Really is probably.

be pat what a nix fan me say ad has a ring is disrespected pat no now i'm definitely picking anthony davis fuck him just for you yeah we're going to anthony davis in a heartbeat now

step back one leg what kind of shot is that look what you've done the patrick gwing's legacy has anthony davis ever given us a funnier social media clip than that i don't think so give me patrick you

right p what he's a lot I'll say RIP I'll say RIP to Anthony Davis in the conversation I'm actually I was like he just have a going

Is there something that you know that I don't yet Say I just talk to Pat That's crazy Nah man No man You good dude dog I swear

Pat you win Man Pat you win? Man Pat Pat Pat Oh man When it happened

Like two weeks ago? Aw. Danny's cousin? Baby's cousin. Oh my God. I got a group break. Joelle M. Bede versus Kevin Garnett. You already know I'm never picking Joel and B.

Give me KG, man. Give me KG. What are we talking about? It's like I say, Joel Mb's name just to expect you to say, go to hell. What are you talking about? We're talking about an. MVP of the league. We're talking about a champion. We're talking about a guy who is just as good, if not better, of a defender. We're talking about a guy who gives us all every single night.

I'm taking Kevin Garnett in a heartbeat. I'm not better in a heartbeat. Kevin Garnett's a better defender, obviously. I'm never thinking about it for more than 0.2 seconds. It is Kevin Garnett. If you want to win basketball games, if you want to have an actual culture that you can build a foundation upon, you get Kevin Garnett. If you want to have entertaining movies like uncut gems, you get Kevin Garnett. What are we talking about here? You want to have good pregame rituals?

Kevin Garnett. Okay, okay. The answer is obviously Kevin Garnett, you win. Jesus. Yeah, all right. Let me try to be nice to join the beat for once. You never let me give him a moment to shine. Like, damn. He's never given himself that moment. It's health, man. Let me enjoy his game for what he is.

What game? He hasn't played. Unreliable. Bam out of bio versus Paugasol. I'm probably in BAM because of the defense. I'm probably in BAM because of the defense. I like the versatility. Donovan? That's actually really tough. I actually don't know.

I actually got to lock it. Because I really don't know. This is the closest one so far. Because one time I said Anthony Davis versus Pau Gossol and you crucified me for picking Anthony Davis. No, because I think we're doing like a Laker legend type of thing. It was an all-time Laker team. Who cares?

That's what that's what I'm saying. The Laker conversation is different than just like overall. Poor shit. No, it's not. Either way, this is not an AD conversation. Neither here.

Exactly. Glazer. The glazing is outrageous. You're talking about Bamara, myo. Control you. Damn or pow. Now, I'll take back.

Really? Off the precedent that I've set before. I'll go back. You're socially obligated to pick power. ever saw yeah okay fair enough de montes subonis versus chris bosch

I'm taking Chris Bosch I'm taking Chris Bosch I'm thinking Chris Bosch is a bonus though he's a bonus the bonus is probably some bonus is better stats as one option neither one of you are neither one of those guys are getting you anywhere leading the team and I know Chris Bosch can play next

to other stars more than I do subonis yeah even though I was going to say Chris Bosch was taking 2010's Toronto ref not even 2000s Toronto Raptors At least to the first round I don't know if Sabonis could do that with the Kings

if Deer & Fox wasn't on the team comment three players in the Raptors playoff teams if you can That's what I'm saying I don't know You can't comment three players In that first round team It's impossible

I don't know Who But yeah We know Chris Bosch can play next to superstars He can play next to two of them And make the team better I don't know Sabonis has that impact Without having the ball in his hands

And he was able to change his game too right go from a mid-range guy to be in a stretch five yeah that that moves me I agree now if Sabona's had a three it would be different conversation

but he don't yeah Zion Williamson versus Blake Griffin at this point in time I'm probably leaning towards Blake Griffin both injury prone for sure

but I consistently see Blake Griffin at his eyes and the best version of Blake Griffin tends to show compared to not showing up at all. That's what Zion is. If you asked me in year two of Zion Williamson, I would have sworn to you there's no way he's not better than Blake. But he has gotten exactly 0% better. So at this rate, I think 2015 Blake Griffin is still the best player of these two.

Blake Griffin, without his athleticism, was still leading a terrible, terrible Detroit Pistons team to the playoffs. He was making, you know, all-star appearances. Zion is just not that. I love that dude, though, but damn. Last one, Janus versus Dirk. who is the second grade's power forward of all time I love Dirk Nowitsky but the Greek freak I don't know I don't I don't I don't know listen I just thought myself because of that

Dirk got his stamping and his championship ring later in his career Yannis got it early and since then again he's still been great but it's not it's not the same it's not the same yeah it's tough because Dirk has a really impressive one year run where he won that championship was really cool but on the other hand

Yon's doesn't have a whole lot going for him except being better at defense scoring, passing, rebounding and yeah not much else exactly and so when you when you put it like that it's super close so that's why I'm like if only it was clear who the better player is

outside of their best season I know I don't I guess we gotta go Dirk I really don't know yeah I guess we have to go Dirk here Yonis has never had hair like that has Listen Does Dirk New Whiskey have a cheerleader

Like the Nas and Santayne Kumpo By his side like that Has Dirk and Whiskey ever had His organization in a chokehold Like Yonis He never put off for his family He never got his family employed In the NBA

That's quite the accomplishment Three of them Now We're going to Yonis Because he's a family man He's putting on for the community But you could say That Dirk didn't have

The moral support Of his brothers So he had to overcome more To get to a champion Neptism on his side Yeah Dirk had to get out the mud Actively

actively trying to win with a Mark Cuban put together roster which have been trash for 20 years That's true Yeah we're going to If only you were clear

What the answer was We'll never know What are we do next Next thing we're going to do We're going to talk about First Time All-Stars I feel like every season there's a new batch of ones. It's pretty rare we don't have first-time All-Stars.

Last year there was a good amount. So, real simple. I'm going to ask you guys a question. Who are going to be the first time All-Stars in the NBA this season? Obviously, Chad Homebrew. He's on that pace. We think that OKC Thunder are going to be the one seed. I can assume they're going to get two All-Stars, and he's the best player.

Yeah. He has to be there. Who else? They're probably going to get, unless 15-woman Yamah keeps playing like he did the first five games, he'll probably earn his way there, too. Purely off a hype. Shout it to the bigs. They got it this year.

Who's dropping out, though? First time is very hard, though. A clear indicator for first time all-stars are like guys who are in contention for like the MIP award. Do you think Sangoon could get there if the Rockets are in to play in? Yes. I think he's a great, he's a great indicator for that. Like, MIP conversations probably going to be an awesome, at least in those conversations. Yeah.

So those three big men off rip. What about in the East? Could Cade be there? I don't know. I mean, the pistons are pretty terrible. As an injury. He's playing well. They're not going to win enough.

They're not going to win it. Is your guy? Is Jalen Johnson going to be able to do it this year? He hasn't been. Yeah, he hasn't been great. I'm saying, can he, do you think he can turn it around and be on the short list? Yeah, I don't think you turn around. He just, he just like, I love Julian Johnson.

Come on. Let's be realistic. Okay, don't. I'm acting the hockey. Hey, listen, tell me, he's just talk 21 and. He's been in 17 last night against the Wizards. I think he'll turn it around. He has a chance.

But right now, I'm not going to put, I'm not going to put that on him just yet. If the Cavs are top three seed, does Evan Moby get in? Yes. Potentially. I don't know if the Kaz, I don't know if the Kaz is good, too.

I actually don't know about that. No, no. They might. They might. If they're top two seed, they will. But top three, I don't know if the league will have that happened. I don't know if they love it. It's a game difference in two and three.

Is that really going to make the difference? Yep. For the voters, yeah. How popular is Evan Mobley? Yeah, you think Evan Mulvey's a household name? Okay, let's say those four guys are the first time All-Stars. Who are we taking out? Read me the Austin West.

Oh, Paul George is out of there. Paul George is already gone. He's on the conference. Kawhi. Gobert is out. Cat is out the conference. So that's three. That's easy, those three.

Paul George, Kauai, Cat. Okay. So Chet gets replaced. Wembe gets in there. I mean, yeah. Chet, Wembe and Sangu. Chet, Wembe, Sangu. Who are we kicking out in the east?

Because Cat went over there. Do we think Casas was going to be the All-Star? No. Even with Joel and Bitt, not healthy? Paul George? He hasn't played either. Yeah, he's not going to be an awesome. So we got to kick somebody out then.

Who are we kicking out from Evan Mowgli? Ah, man. Palomacara's not leaving. He was an alternate. Or he made it. Yeah. Boston's definitely going to have two All-Stars in Jam Brown and Tatum. But I don't know anywhere.

I think Joel Mee's not going to play enough games to be an All-Star. I don't know. I generally don't know. Is Damon Lilly still going to make it? no he should not he should not he should the numbers are there he's gonna make it yeah exactly if the numbers are there bare minimum he's gonna make it he's a lot well if the wins are not there he won't make it and they oh you know what it is you know what it is they're gonna give him scotty barnes spot from last year uh yeah sorry scotty barnes was an alternate sorry scottie good ridden's gonna be the alternate this year

they don't love you or the city like that scotty mm-mmy's getting that get back for that rookie of the year vote and you know what be happy scotty go on vacation take take he's hurt right now they're tanking he needs to take the year off taking time off okay that's an easy one wow it's actually like not that complicated

yeah that's like I think that's pretty I think what's gonna happen the only one that might be a hot take is Sengoon very clear I don't even know if the Sengoon's a hot take we're gonna do before we get out of here we're gonna play NBA guess who we haven't done this in a while

where it's kind of like 20 questions but two of us have players so this time we'll do Donovan and Mo you both think of a player and you always have to see who can get each other's player first. Okay, let's do current day, Donovan. Let's do current day. Okay, current day. All right, let me, let me pull up this guy's basketball reference real quick,

just so that I have all the other stacks. Yeah, okay, cool. I think I got my guy already. I can't type that glove is massive. That's hilarious. Yeah, them goes with like oven mitts. I ain't go lie to you. All right, I got my guy.

All right. I have to squint so hard at my phone. I feel so old. Right. NBA guess who let's see which one you can figure out the other players player first I'll ask the first question is does your player play in the Eastern conference yes he does does your player play in the east yes did your player is your player a guard yes is your player a guard yes oh folk what do you go get the same guy is your player an all-star yes

your player an all-star? No. Okay, cool. All right, great, great, great. Okay. That would been great. Uh, did your player make the playoffs last year? Like, top eight. Yes. Did your player, does your player score anywhere between 15 to like 20 points a game or above that? Yes. Okay. So he was a bucket, but wasn't an all-star. Okay. I know exactly who Donovan picked. Did your player... I'm a feeling. You don't know. You don't know.

Okay. Did your... I got a feeling. Did your player... Did your player play on a top 14 from last season? Uh, let me double check real quick. Oh, yeah. I know where he's at there.

Let me double check real quick because I think things get a little, a little bit dicey here. Fringe. Yeah, very fringe, very fringe, very fringe. So let me talk about this. Hmm. Ooh, I think I know who MoPick, too. I think I have a guess. Let's see.

All right, somebody talks. I think I would guess. Listen, you check that. Okay, you said top four? Yeah. You said top four? Yeah. Is your player Kobe White?

No. Is your player Donovan Mitchell? No. Ha ha. Okay, the ball's back in my court. Okay, cool. So did your player's team? Wait, hold on.

Actually, yeah, did your player's team not make the playoffs? no they made the playoffs oh okay i thought you already asked that i don't remember asking that did i okay maybe no don't even ask that okay yeah i asked it all right so they did make the playoffs let's see you guard did your did your player yeah his player did your player did your player make the eastern conference finals no okay so your player made the playoffs i foresee but the first round exit Okay, your player made Isaac be quiet You're making him cook a little bit

Okay Your player made the playoffs Your player is a guard Is your player 25 or older Check his age He is Look at him squint

It's terrible Come on honk No Okay So he's a young guy I knew don't even like the young boys Does your player Average 20 points or more

Yes So your player is younger than 25 Okay and he didn't make the playoffs Or he did make the playoffs Okay cool Is Is your player Paulo Bank

Wait no no sorry he's a guard he's a guard he's a guard I almost sold I almost sold I almost sold Is your player Tyrese Halliburton No is your player Damian Lillard No damn What the fuck

You guys stink. No, this is awful. Well, you asked him, He said he's not an All-Star. Oh, you're right. I forgot how he was an All-Star. Shit. Okay.

He's an All-Star. And he's a guard. He's sticking out like a swordthorn right now, but I can't fucking find this guy for some reason. And he made the playoffs last year, too. There's only so many. You're so bad this game. I know.

Every time y'all do it, it's always terrible. Okay. One of us going to get this shit, too. Yeah, one of us is going to get this shit too Okay, oh, is your player Dares Garland? No, is your player Darry's Garland? No, fuck.

Dude, we just established Why do you keep naming All-Stars? Oh, I forget he was an All-Star before. God, damn it. Oh, my God. Okay. Whose questions are yours are mine? Is yours.

Oh, okay. Now, I just asked a question. Why are we so bad at this? No, you're right. Yeah, we're so bad at this. God damn it. Okay, let's lock in. Your player is not an all.

All-Star, younger than 25, he's a guard, and he averaged more than 15 points bring him, correct? Yes. Okay, cool. This should be so fucking simple. I know the crown ears right now are so mad at me. You're not representing well. Okay. Is your player?

Not an All-Sars is a guard because it's the guy, yeah. You don't know. I think I think y'all got to call him quick. guys both lost. Who's your guy? Jalen Suggs. Wait, Jalen Suss, he scored more than 15 a game last year? Yeah.

No, he did not. That's what cooked me. Wait, no, no, because you didn't say last year. He's avid, he's, you said, you said, does he, you said, does he average between 15 and 20? Yeah. And right now he's averaging 16.8. Well, is your Jalen Brunson? No, it wasn't. You didn't even know either.

Fuck are you talking about. It's Tyrie's Maxie. I'm not, I'm not, not. Shit. Let's Tyre's Maxi. Okay, Tyres Maxi is my second guess. Yeah. Maxi?

All right, let me do one. Me and Donovan. Let me see if I get a TikTok out of this. See if we get a successful game. Current players only. Let's talk about. All right. Let me.

I feel like Dr. Umar looking at the thing. I got a cool. Damn it, James. Look. I remember on my phone. You have your player? Wait, hold on.

Let me get somebody real quick. I got them. I got them. All right. Let's go. Okay. Is your player in the West? Yes.

Is your player in the East? He is not the East. Is your player above 6'5? Yes. Is your player a guard? Yes. Has your player ever made an All-Star game? Yes.

Has your player ever made an All-Star game? Nope. Did your player make the All-Star game last season? Yes. Oh, Pranil All-Star? Did your player... make the playoffs last year. No.

Is your player a legend? No. Is your player... Young guy, okay. Is your player a starter? No. Ooh. A bench player?

Who's not a legend. A bench player on a non-playoff team? You said your player's in the West, right? Yeah. It's like he still is right now. Yes. Does your player wear a purple jersey? Yes.

He know he does. Yes. Interesting. Noticing. Noticing. Is your... Okay, did your player make the play in last year? He did not.

Is your player? You should have shot it all, Donovan. What the hell? Is your player DeMontasabonis? It is not. Damn. Did he wears a purple jersey? This is your opportunity to shoot.

Life is on the line right now. Oh, wait a minute. Dead beams are pointed at you. Ah, listen, so here's what I'm looking for right now. I'm looking for a guard on one of the five worst teams in the league that came off the bench last season. That's hard. And now, so we're going through it, we're talking about the Blazers. We're talking about the Warriors.

We're talking about the Grizzlies. We're talking about the Spurs. Who's the fifth one? I can't remember. But I'm going to, he said a guard. But I can't remember. Is your guy random guess? Did you got a Moses Moody?

He's not Moses Moody. Dang. Not a terrible guess. That was a good guess. Are you trolling me? Did you say not a legend? Is that Anthony Davis? No.

Oh, okay. Damn. All right. Well, is your guy, again, Christie Spurs. Guard? Is your guy, Trey Jones?

He's not Trey Jones. Okay, so I know he's... Getting warmer. Over 6'5, he's an all-star The worst purple in the West This has to be Devin Booker It's not Devin Booker What the fuck?

Y'all are ass So he wears a purple jersey Like primarily? No, but there is a jersey That he wears that is purple Oh my God And it is fairly frequent though Yeah

Okay Even hell That is purple Is your player Is your player Is your player thought of as a scorer

no fuck no God no okay he's you pick Lowry Markinen that is correct let's go I told you this game is easy

who who is your guy Bronnie James oh my god come on now what are we doing this is why I don't like playing games

guys you didn't ask you he played in the league last year so what now I can't pick rookies. All right. And that's the end of today's episode, everybody. If you're still here, if you're still here, comment, Isaac is a scammer.

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