The Deep 3 Podcast - Everything We've Learned From The NBA Playoffs | Ep. 33

Episode Date: April 20, 2023

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Top of the show, first thing we have to do is all three of us collectively have to apologize to Sacramento Kings. I don't have to do anything. Who that's about me? You do. Both of you, all of us. Why? Listen, all year we were pro-Being team. We were calling their praises.

But as soon as it came time last week to predict the first round of the playoffs, none of us gave Sacramento a chance. And as of today, the night of Wednesday, April 19th, they are up 2-0 on the Golden State Warriors. And Draymond Green's stupid ass got himself suspended for game three. I think the Warriors might be cooked Listen, when I made my prediction I didn't think that Draymond Green was going to commit assault On the basketball floor I didn't think that that was going to happen in the cars

Like I, it's Listen, literally the complete opposite of everything that I thought happened I thought it was going to be close games And the Warriors were going to be I thought that they were going to be the ones To execute down the stretch Clearly that hasn't happened Deera Fox is the most clutch player in the NBA apparently

Like he's officially Yeah, literally So like Listen, shout out of to the beam team they've played yeah i'm not i'm still not apologizing but shout out to them no yeah first and foremost i had them making the playing at bare minimum y'all didn't even have them making in a playoff so no i thought they were going to be trash i thought they were going to be trash at the beginning of the season i said that if i was in alana if i was not in alian hallx fan i'd be

a sacramento kinks fan and y'all and all y'all in the comments grilled me for it and look at me now now yes all right right right don't care i don't care i don't care all right this is revision It's history at its finest. All right, listen. Look, the footage is there. You picked the Warriors. They all saw it last week. I still believe in the wars.

I do too. I do too. But I don't think anyone thought that the wars would be in this deep of a hole. That's fair to say. For sure. So, zooming out a little bit. Today we're going to talk about basically the first two or three games of your playoff series.

We're going to talk about what we've learned so far in the playoffs about all these different teams. Let's start by going deep into the series. Let's do it. So you guys, like I said, they're up 2-0, probably going to be 3-0 because the Warriors don't win without Dream on green typically. You guys still have faith in the Warriors. Tell me why.

Yeah, I do. I think the first thing that they have to do is because, like, offensively, they haven't been terrible. Like, it hasn't been God-awful. Sacramento has definitely up their defense from what it was in the regular season. That's the thing. They're actually defending. But I think that I think that of Golda State can figure out what to do with this.

De Aaron Fox's a bonus pick and roll real quick, if they can minimize that even by like 20%, they can have a better chance because they're still in these games, right? It's not like they're, it's not like they're getting blown out. It's not like they're having terrible, terrible spells. They have chances to win these games, and it's these plays down the stretch where D.R. Fox is just coming off of screen and rolls, easy, floater every time, wide open jumper every single time. they have to figure out that end but they 100% still have a chance to win this series it's

going to have to be in seven at this point there's no way they're going to win in six but like yeah i i still do believe in them okay so what you moe absolutely like do we i believe in silence of the sacramento kings and whatnot but like i think every almost everything has been like going towards their favor and whatnot and i don't know how long like you can count on guys like malik monk giving you 25 points shooting 50% from the field 94% from the line he's 50 40 90 on 25 a game you know what's crazy I think you can count on it because the warriors do not win away games so okay zooming out when the playoff predictions came I picked the warriors too I more so because I didn't have faith in

kings because I was lazy and stupid I was oh they're not going to defend in the playoffs hasn't been the case but I don't know for the record I don't think that's lazy and stupid if Somebody doesn't, if they had the seventh worst You're right, you're right, over 82 games. You're just like, that's just not them. Yeah. So, real quick, I think, well, first off, you mentioned it, Donovan. The key has been the Kings, how they are defending their asses off.

Yeah. And I think it's a Mike Brown thing. They have the perfect game plan. They know how to defend the Warriors, which, you know, nobody knows how to defend the Warriors, as in nobody knows how to stop them, but they know they had to play the screens high, don't let Steph Curry beat you, and you have to rotate your ass off behind the ball screen. And they're doing good job.

So bonus is defending him. his ass off in a way I've never seen him do before he's coming up high on these ball screens he's dribble handoffs and he's not getting burnt by it's weird but they've like somehow clicked into a good defense in the playoffs they have a 10 defensive rating right now which would be top 10 for the season that's ridiculous yeah yeah i feel like but uh watched him on defense too along with like i think subonis is like he was the main guy that me particularly like was picking on because i'm like yo like using centers get like him slow-footed all that type of stuff he gets picked on and he will get destroyed although he'll be do he'll be doing some

destroying like he did that game too um but so him what he's been doing on defense has been special and then also it just feels like they know where to be at the right place they're out they're always at the right place at the right time and they're never too unattached from these shooters and so everything just been tough you know they've been making jordan pool's life look like absolute hell I don't know if that's cool pool's like kind of suspect right now in the playoffs or kind of the kings are just like that yeah listen

anything I want to talk about is you know we posted the short where we did a playoff tier listing and you guys wanted to put the Warriors in A and I was like listen the best they can be is B and people in the comments got mad to me about it and I think we're seeing why people like me were a little hesitant about them

everybody gave them like I think I've said it all season is that we're giving them so much benefit that out can play out time purely off a clout that they've done nothing in the regular season to show that they deserve that respect and I feel like the moral of the story for this team right now is that what you see in the regular season at some point

if that's who you are for 82 games that's just who you are that there's only so much of a switch you can flip we're seeing this team still wasn't great defensively they haven't been all year they still can't win on the road they haven't been good at that all year for some reason Jordan Poole hasn't been great

he wasn't all season he wasn't great last playoffs everything is just adding up to what you expect if you didn't know they won four championships in the past. Another thing about it, it's like, for what we expect, they're also like the third best team at home, and they have been all season long. But now, like we said at the top of the podcast, Draymond Green is gone.

And so now it's like, bro, that hurts badly. That hurts badly. Now you're going to actually need everything, clicking on all cylinders, now that Draymond is gone. because he's the best connector in the league one of the best connectors in NBA history and to have that just like be gone out of nowhere that's tough i don't know how you're going to recoup off of that i think the way that it happens is that and they are going to get one of

the craziest whistles you've ever seen in game three i think like them coming back home no no draymond green there's been a couple times this series where i've been upset with how step Curry's been officiated and like I've obviously I don't and I don't want to make it seem like the kings are winning these games because it's like rigged or whatever I promise you the NBA is not rigging yes a game for the Sacramento Kings to win like that over step curry that's not that's not happening but there are a lot of times with Steph Curry is getting to the basket getting fouled or getting there's a lot of contact on his shots I don't think that that has been called when he comes back home and they don't have Draymond green I promise you that whistle is going

to be blown. So I expect Steph to have a lot of free throws in game three. And I think that's going to be one of the big ways that Golden State is going to be able to stay in that game without Dremont is that their game is going to be a little bit uglier than what we normally see. And it might throw off Sacramento's pace and their ability to get up and down the floor and even get into a rhythm defensively. You know, like as I was saying, being able to like to rotate, know where you're going, be able to press up high because that is going to, that's going to put. them in a mindset of like okay can we actually be as aggressive as we want to be defensively so i i think i think golden state is going to get game three i don't know though because we're talking

about they're playing a very aggressive style of defense against the warriors i i alluded to it for those who don't know the warriors are a heavy heavy heavy dribble handoff team and pick and roll team with step and curry they're playing more pick and roll than usual in the playoffs and the way the kings are defending that is they're having whenever the big man sits the screen they're having subonis come up high and immediately meet Steph Curry there instead of playing a drop coverage and that makes it so Steph Curry can beat you but everybody else can and you have to

rotate around them and make sure you cover up the shooters. That is impossible to defend for years against the Warriors because whenever you double Steph Curry off the screen, he kicks it to Draymond Green who has a free roll to the hoop to kick out to shooters with a defense collapsing on him. Without that

amazing passer on the short role, they're going to have to have Jonathan Kaminga Kvon Luni, so-and-so, in this position. So if you're already succeeding with an aggressive style of defense and you take away Dremont Green, I think that means the aggressive defense is going to work even better. Maybe the one thing that I have hoped for, though, is that if you put Kaminga in that action, that Dremont, Dremont's not looking to score.

And we know that. Maybe if you put Kaminga in there with his athleticism, him going down here to the basket, maybe he can be aggressive and create some points there. And that might be how you make up for it. But I don't So like obviously I think the biggest thing for them Is gonna be that loss on on defense

I think that they're gonna figure out a way And they're probably They are going to run Steph Curry Pick and Rolls to the death tomorrow Oh yeah Steph has to have an absolute legacy game Like Yeah it's crazy

Yeah absolutely but This is it's scary hours though For real Like this is Because there's no way They're coming back down 3O That's what happens Are you predicting Mo as well

They're gonna win Game 3 without J-MON I'm going to go ahead and say that I think they'll take game three with Augre Dream on I believe Steph is going to have a big game hopefully Jordan Poole hopefully there's some bad bitches on the sidelines so Jordan Poole can wake up so like yeah I'm definitely going to take the Warriors I'm going to stay with my pick but while I say that at the same time like we need to give a little bit more attention and shine to the Sacramento Kings we alluded to We alluded to it for a quick second.

Luke Monk is a demon. Demandus a bonus, he's him. Deanne Fox, he just won a clutch player of the year. Mike Brown, he's been coaching his ass off. So overall, in Trellisle, he's doing some of the dirtiest shit on the load that I've seen in my life, but it's all working, you know? So, uh, man, I actually won the only unanimous coach of the year

in NBA history today. That is crazy. That just so much respect people have for, that just shows how much respect people have for him. How did Pop or Kerr never win one? Did Curry ever win a coach of the year? I don't even know. But how did Pop never win unanimously?

It's crazy. Curry definitely did win one. As for Pop, I have no idea. That's insane. But they split it though. Oh, yeah. Because Luke Walton had like, he had 24 games as well in that series in that season. Okay.

Yeah, so I'm not going to predict the Warriors going to win game three. I think they're absolutely cooked. Like, I think I predict that they're going to win the series. and I'm not going to stand on that just because I said it earlier clearly haven't proven wrong the Kings are a good matchup for the Warriors I'm a man of principal

so I'll take the Warriors I'm a man of adjusting when you have new evidence at the end of day also though it's the Kings did what they were supposed to do they won two games at home right the Warriors are not coming back they're one of the best home teams

at one of the best home teams in the league they have to win two at home So I think that they'll do that because if everything that we have been saying is true and that you are who you were in the regular season, that we should be expecting everybody on the wars to step up tomorrow and everybody else have a big game and they'll be able to figure it out. Yeah, well, also, if we're talking about they are who they've shown us to be, they've shown us that they dropped 30% win percentage but Dramong Green's not there. Like if he was there, sure, I'm like, okay, it's still a series, but he's not going to be there. I think it's going to be the nail in the coffin. And I think that leads it to a bigger conversation of like, it's been undercover in the NBA media this year.

But like this is like a good chance. This is the Warriors last dance with this court. It was already going to be a problem because of the money situation. And then Draymond Green slept Jordan Poole. And now he got him so suspended for what might be the nail on the coffin for them going down 30. For stopping out someone's chest. He's so crazy. Sabonish has been playing like that, man.

You out here grabbing people's legs. Whatever. irrelevant the point is this might be draymond's last series as a warrior and like the last thing we see this warrior's core and that's just crazy that like not every dynasty has a happy ending like we thought that was going to be the happy ending after last year but like they might be going out sad right now and like i don't think people realize this might be like the collapse i think a lot of people are realizing and that's why like i think you know 90% of NBA shooter and everybody just praying for their downfall and it's happening people are so raised

No one wants to see this punk-ass group Any longer I don't think they're punks I personally enjoy watching them But that's just the reputation that they built I think this is just karma all through these years Of all those illegal screens Dream on Green has like One of the most egregious illegal plays

I've seen in my life Barbar Mario He has a highlight tape he for sure has a highlight tape Yeah, he passed blocking for sure Yeah man It's just crazy that Nobody's talking about the fact that This might be the end of the Warriors

but it's almost sad if they do lose game three i'm gonna be i'm gonna be real sad because like we're probably probably in the end absolutely absolutely but you know out with the old and in with the new and this is the bean team's time and also i think it's also going to be important in the future that we have serious conversations about deering fox and where people rank him in the NBA because he's making leaps that are undeniable and his like ranking has to be like reshifted When we get those summertime rankings going, we were for sure. Okay, well, let's do it now. Let's do it impromptu TikTok.

Let's, I'm going to pull up the NBA teams and we're going to go point guard and talk about early TikTok talk about is D. Aaron Fox better than this point guard. Yeah, let's do it. Stupid bitch, I know he'll ask first. Go ahead. I'm a list of NBA point guards. You let me know if you'd rather have them or Dierran Fox. First off, Shea Gilges Alexander.

See, that's top. I think I'm taking Shay. I think I'm taking shade. You got to pick Shea, right? I know Deeran Fox is Deeran, he's been, I can't talk. I know Deer & Fox is Mr. Clutch, but I think Shea's been better. She's been better and Shea's Clutch, too. Yeah, the way Shea has been progressing rapidly over the last few years, you have to take Shea.

Deer & Fox is just now taking this otherworldly leap. Drew Holiday. Deerrron Fox. That one's tough. That's a difference of what do you value more. That's tough. Yeah, it's tough, but with this time, D. Aaron Foxx, Drew Holiday Base has been elite this season, too. Yeah, I think that's a fifth team you have.

Yeah, exactly. Damn. You know what? Listen, as we're talking, the bucks are slutting out the heat and just Drew Holiday's dropping buckets on them. I think I'll take D.Aren Fox just because I think Dierran is more consistent offensively than Drew. And if I'm just talking about, like, building out a team, I think I would like to have Dierron. Fox has the focal point more than Drew Holiday. Okay.

That's, yeah, that's natural. Darius Garland. I like Derrick's Garland. I like Darius is super underrated because Donovan Mitchell takes the shine, but that's this is the total room. That's so hard. I like Darius Garland.

We forget last year before everybody got hurt, Darius Garland was running the show in Cleveland, getting them up the standings. Like, he's, he's nice. He's nice. I'm taking Darius Garland over D'R. Fox. Yeah, I think Darius is better playmaking Was I'll lean Darius just by a little bit though

I like the playmaking and I love the shooting But the Air Fox has improved the shooting by a little I'm gonna take the Air Fox I trust his shooting continuing to progress Even though he's been shooting 30% in the playoffs I'm gonna gloss over that Um 3 Yeah I like I like the body

Oh pause I like the Frame and also I'm taking the athleticism over the Air Fox or over here's garland last one Tyrese Halliburton where do we stand on this comparison now now this is tough I love this Deeran is like progressing to it like a not elite but like pretty close to his score but Tyrese is so much better for passer like how do you

I don't know it just depends on what you value at the end of the day you know I kind of want to lean towards Tyrese because I feel like his play is like I don't want to say transcendent but like it's hard to come by so I'm gonna go Tyrese can develop into a score

almost as good as Deeran but Deeran will never be as good of a passer as Tyrese I feel so sad because I want to give Deeran the nod because I like both of them a lot but like I said I think Tyrese is passing

that's just on another level it's a difference maker in this argument so I'll take Tyrese yeah it's a conversation now though you can't say anymore that they made the wrong choice like obviously it's tight

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All right, man. That series, we'll talk more about it next week. It might be over by next week, I think. It's the best series that we've seen, man. best series that we've seen but yeah uh i don't know if it's the best series it's the most interesting but i think the best series we've seen so far is probably clippers versus phoenix which we should talk about i like that yes sir i like that what have you learned from clippers versus phoenix donovan i have learned that russell westbrook is still good at basketball i agree

russell weserbrick listen we all of us participated in all the jokes that he had and even game one was 100% like the russell westbrook you experience. A 3 for 19 shooting shooting night, but still gets double-digit rebounds, double-digit assist, has a crazy block on Devin Booker at the end of the game, right? She was the game. His two free throws, doing everything else, everything other than what you would

typically want out of your star and just doing all the other things and that's exactly what he needs to be doing at this stage in his career. But he's been locked in defensively this entire series. He's been great. I think Phoenix, even though that they won in game two, I kind of think that they're on the ropes, because Kauai Leonard is here, and he's...

I love it. And he's here, and he is bawling. And if Russell Westbrook is not going to shoot people out of games, and if he's still going to be impactful, even with three for 19 nights, yeah, Los Angeles 100% has a chance in the series. Yeah. I'm glad you mentioned Kauai.

One of the things we learned is load management, fucking works. This is why he is still hidden. Absolutely him. Like he looks exactly like he looked in 2019. He looks like a demon out there that just cannot be messed with. Every time he gets a seismic patch on him,

he switches on the Chris ball, he's shooting over him. Every time you don't box him out, he's getting the board, he's going up with it because he's strong as shit. He's deceptively good as a rim protector if he's rotating behind the screen. He's dominating on both sides of the ball again,

which we haven't seen him doing a long time because like I said, he conserves that energy during the season. He's not out here going balls to the walls on defense. Yeah. He's been defending Katie pretty well. I, the bro, this generational play that we witnessed, y'all gonna, y'all, your mind's

going to register this to this immediately. Katie is at the top of the key. Kauai literally just rips him, speeds down the court, decelerates and goes up and throws it down in his face and just throws it, tosses it back to him. That is peak Kauai Leonard and what his career is completely about, dude. Yeah. Man, he's back. And I love every single thing that I'm seeing, the adjustments, the constant adjustments that Tyloo is creating just like his game plan is so unthinkable and unguessable.

You know, he always has you on his toes, on your toes. And then Russell Westbrook is like the biggest X factor in this entire series because you don't know what you're going to get from offensively, but defensively, he's blocked multiple KD jumpers, you know. And I don't think that I've seen anybody, he probably has the most KD jump shot block. in his career maybe like two or three but shit bro that counts as something give him an award or someone so like yeah man you mentioned a you said that tyler's game plan is like unpredictable when there's going to happen i feel the opposite yeah i think that he's done exactly what you would expect him to do and it's worked because the sons have no answers the sons just do not have point of attack defenders with the back court of devon booker and chris paul they don't have

their wings anymore they don't have any stoppers really they can't stay in front of anybody And their game plan is clearly stop Kauai and they're throwing a moving body on him on his drives and like just collapsing on him like he's 2018 LeBron surrounded by bums. But the thing is he's surrounded by just elite shooter after elite shooter after elite shooter. So every single played on the court, it's either Russ or Kauai getting penetration because the guy can't stay in front of him. And then there's four shooters open and he's spraying it out every time. And the sons are just giving up a million threes and they don't take a lot of threes themselves.

So they're just like losing the math battle every single game. because the clippers take 43s and then the sons are just taking a mid-range shot every time. You've got to make a lot of mid-range shots to win that way. Yeah, bro, listen, I want to give you all the Kauai numbers on this series

because it's absolutely ridiculous. Kauai's averaging 34 and a half points and through 34 and a half points, six assists, six rebounds, on 55% from the field and 60% from three. That's pretty good. Kauai, man.

And he's, and listen, and Isaac, Isaac, he mentioned load management, and it works because he's playing 40 minutes a night. He played 42 minutes in one of these games. Like, this is exactly what the Clippers wanted. And as much as I hate load management, if it's going to give you these results, and if Kauai is going to be available to play 40 minutes a night, yeah, like, I might have to start subscribing to load management. I might have to get on the way.

Yeah, but I subscribe to it whenever your star has a degenerative knee issue. so I get it, like, I'm not going to hold him back for it because, like, he has arthritis or something, but I see you to me, typically it's not great. This is great. 60% from 3 is insane. That's insane. And again, I know it's only two games,

but that's ridiculous. He just plays such a graceful style of basketball. Yeah. He's right. Not too much raw, raw. It doesn't make any, have any, like, stupid ass turnovers from doing too much. Like, he just gets straight to the point.

Just get straight to the point. He's about his business. He's in there to get a bucket. leave play defense same shit leave and go home that's the best way to describe kauai he's about his business you're getting real close to these talking points that like all those racist white neighbors have that only like college basketball i'll play the right way none of the flashiness none of that ego not a lot of equals out there it's about the fundamentals yeah oh man oh yeah i got a silencer yeah yeah i'll pose the question to you guys we're talking a lot

about what the Clippers are doing so well and why they're surviving with uphaul George. We're all in agreeance there. But we all came in saying that the sons are like the team to beat out there. A couple of, like three pods ago, I declared them as like the team

that's going to make the finals. I was like we're probably overthinking this. They obviously haven't looked like the finals favorite these first two games. What did, I'll start with you Mo. What do you think is Phoenix's biggest problem right now? Phoenix's biggest problem is just like finding out ways still to like

mess this and entire group into unison you know like there's at times where i'm like kd should be doing a little bit more kevin durant stuff because i don't want to say that he's the best player on the court but it's like he can look like that from time to time well it's fair to say kevin has the best player of the course yeah yeah exactly um shit hold on give me a second my laptop and a die got to super charge this real quick um but i i got i got you you you yeah charge your laptop so i think think they have to figure out a way to get Kevin Durant in better positions. They need, they need Kevin Durant to be in the same positions that Kauai Leonard is in because Kauai is,

even though that he's getting past his defender, every option is available to him when he makes his move. That's not the same with, with Kevin Durant. Like the idea that Russell Westbrook can come over and block a Kevin Durant shot is ridiculous. Like he should, he should have immense space if you have if you have devon booker on one side chris paul on the other side and d'andre eight and down low and for for there not to be an avenue for kevin durant to make any pass that he needs to on the floor that's a that's a problem um and so they need to they need to figure out like okay are we going to have like are we going to have kevin derrant kind of run the offense of and it's kind of hard because you have chris paul and he is you know the the point god but like you

kind of have to take the ball out of his hands and put it in Durant's hands a little bit more so that he can force the action on on a lot of their plays exactly what I was going to say they have a weird Chris Paul situation right now because they're living and dying by him in the most like dramatic sense because like you said they have him he's a ball dominant guy he's one of the best pastors of all time he currently cannot score on a consistent basis and it's killing them because he needs the ball in his hands because he's not valuable off ball I mean he can play off ball a little bit but like you want this lead playmaker you have to be a lead playmaker. This team without him, if you were to bench him or not be run the offense through him,

they don't have enough playmaking. Katie's great, but Katie isn't going to set up offense for others on a consistent level. So the only way to have a ceiling with this team is for Chris Paul to be an elite playmaker. But most of the time you can't do that right now because he's old and he just cannot score. But they won this last game because he had a crazy fourth quarter where he decided to start scoring. Exactly. But how much is he actually? going to score for the rest of the series because if he goes back to you know what I'm saying like

if he goes back to being not not scoring Chris Paul they they're going to lose this series if exactly what I'm saying like yeah if you're only winning whenever he has his hot scoring quarters you're relying on that that's not going to be a consistent bet so like you said they have to change it up somehow like Devin they won that game also because Devin Booker had an absolute superstar performance I think he drops he think he had 36 something like that he was the superstar of that game while katie was filling in the gaps there needs to be a better balance Like you're saying, if they're not a KD-centric team, you're doing something wrong. Yeah, absolutely.

And I think that'll happen, like, as a series goes on. You know, I think they looked a lot better at this game compared to the first game, obviously. And I think it's just like growing pains naturally when you have like, I think Kevin Ernst is still like probably one of the easiest players to play with in NBA history. But there's just going to be naturally an adjustment for CP3 and Devin Booker because they ever played with a player that caliber. And I think, I think, I'm not worried about the Phoenix Suns whatsoever. I still, I think I had them maybe winning in six and they still like very well could do that. And it's just all about like getting the reps and I'm not overthinking it still. You know, I would hone into what you said last week.

So just let's not overthink it. That's fair. I'm not worried about them long term, but I'm a bit worried because the Clippers look so good that I think the Suns probably still get to the point we think they can get to. but they can't fool around right like they have to get there now or else they're gonna get fucking sent packing by this Terminator on the other side of the court

like the margin for error is much smaller than expected despite Paul George being out 100% this was the worst and that matchup for them in my mind like this is either them

or maybe the Warriors you guys up to y'all to choose that but like this team will put them in check and I think like going against the Terminator like you said will help

solve these early kinks and i think like it'll come it'll get to a certain point if they survive they're going to survive donovan what you think i don't know i don't know i don't know i think yeah i think the fact that the fact that the clippers were able to go and get game one and steal home court advantage is huge to me the fact that russell westbrook doesn't look like he is actively hurting what they are doing right i think that that is huge and it gives them a whole other boost and if it really just depends on how easy Kevin Durant is going to be able to score and if he's going to be able to be unlocked because that's the that's the whole thing that we've been waiting on for these first two games

and what Isaac was saying last week or two weeks ago whenever he crowned them as a team to come out of the west if you take this team that was already had you know very very very very free flowing already had a very high floor and you add kevin direct to that you expect them to go to a whole other level that has that hasn't happened yet in this series and so we have to see if they're going to be able to do that but this man is pouring water loud as heck this is ridiculous i hope your mic's not pointing towards that you're going to piss people off i put it right here what's what's next though because there's this still a whole bunch of series that we have to get one of the thing that's annoying me is uh on the series before we move on yeah a lot of

people are putting a lot of criticism on DeAndre Aiton's shoulders because he's not people still want him to be fucking shack because he's big and has wide shoulders and they're like oh why is he going to pain blah blah blah blah it's not a game so it's whatever but the way they're using him like shit yeah he's fine the way they're using him that was annoying me because they're using him like he's bismac beaumbo i saw a son's fan tweet today uh if you're going to use d'andre a in like a basic drop big why did you bother paying him you might as well cut the court if you weren't going to prioritize him anyway and that's so true.

Like, people are mad that he's not going crazy. They're not putting him in positions to succeed. They're, one, you have a big, like DeAndre Aden because he's so defensively versatile.

You can do creative stuff with that and help him make an impact on that side of the ball if he's not getting at the offensive touches. They're just running the most vanilla, regular drop coverage pick and roll schemes to play on defense that is like so basic and just leaving him out to dry, just leaving him out to try to contest Kauai mid-range shots, which is never going to go well for him.

Like, they're not engaging him on either side of the ball, and it's just a disservice to him. It's like, why even have him on your team? there's a listen are we are we about to fire up that money williams pack is that is that what's happening here i've been to fire up that james johnson pack for not trading his ass clearly that nobody likes in that organization deandre a we'll soon go through his uh Andrew wiggins

career arc like oh yeah he's going to get misused yeah and once he gets to a new team i don't know if he'll be like that necessarily but hopefully like it will have a place where he can genuinely shine and be in the perfect But this is, like you said, to actually, like, showcase what he's best at, his mobility and whatnot. And, like, just the type of sanity is that you don't see too often, which is, like, a midway machine. Yeah, yeah, the Toronto rappers are going to love him. I mean, trade him for O.G. Ananovi. He's getting deported.

Yeah, but we can move on. End of the day, there's still no reason to write. I wrote off the Warriors. I'm not writing off the Suns yet. I think we still give them time to see, you know, it's a tie series. but yeah you can't be as confident as you were last week at this point no not at all let's talk about a team that you are okay for sure yeah i mean it's not it's not crazy but let's talk about a team that i want to get your guys as gauge on their confidence how are you currently feeling about the lakers

as of recording this game two just ended the series is now tied one-one after the grisies came back and won game two without john morant for a brief recap the grisleys get Let's go The Grizzies came out firing They fought with their season on the line It felt like

You know They did the typical Grizzly shit They tried real hard Ran Left every piece of energy On the court And the Lakers

couldn't make a shot It was a really bad AD offensive game You know It's kind of what you expected From a game too In Memphis So now

The Lakers Left Memphis Stealing one game How are you feeling About their chances When the series What did you think, Ma? Anthony Davis

What was his shooting performance out there? Bad. I last time I saw it was it was a Russell Westbrook stat lines Three for 16 type shit. Yeah, Russell Westbrook sat in line, Trey Young's sat in line. That hurt my heart to say, but he's been that bad. He got blocked by Sonti Aldama twice

and the David Rodi third time. Like he was getting harassed inside by multiple big men every single play. They had AD in hell. AD literally had a tour date from this past week. He went four for 14. Oh, man. But to his credit,

he had five blocks after having seven in the week. six blocks after having seven in game one he's been putting on a defensive masterclass he has he has yeah yeah absolutely right but overall i think i'm still feeling good and i'll choose the lakers um simply because they're not going to have john moran that just changes the equations and the things like if the rizzies are going to win a game this has to be the game and might be the only other game that they win possibly i don't know um but like you know like with john morant out of course they're be a lot better defensively and whatnot in there, you know, but like, who would have thought like, is Xavier Tillman going to go crazy and give you 20 again?

No, it's not going to happen. You only need him to go crazy once. Yeah. That's all you need. The Ruby game and game one, the Tillman game is how it is in the playoffs. You need all your role players, you need them to have one pop-off game and win you a game that can go either way. Unless you're Rui-Hachimir, you do this shit on a regular.

Yeah, you just, the Wizards fire the GM today, and I have to assume that seeing Ruey go in game one was the nail in the coffin yeah yeah Tommy Shepherd Tommy Shepherd's out of there I just know Ted Leonesis I think that's the owner's name or maybe that's the president of basketball operations I forgot I just know he saw Rurigo nuts in game one was like we gave that motherfucker away for nothing he's got out of here sick to us something that was the last straw good grief man but I feel good about the Lakers taking this what do you think Donovan I know you said Grizzies in seven last week yeah are you still picking grizzlies I listen I said that

I am a man of principal and one of the oh my god And one of the principles that I stand on is that I reserve the right to change my mind. So I think the Lakers are going to win this series now. I misspoke last week. They, listen, Andy Davis went 414 today. DeAngelo Russell went 2 of 11. Oh my God. Dennis Schroder's, he went 0 for 3.

Like, it's a, it's a bad shooting game. Yeah. And it's very clear that, like, Memphis has to try so much harder to, you know, do everything to defend at a high level to play offense at a high level than then uh then the lakers do and a d like i'll give memphis credit they made the lakers work on offense tonight they pressured they pressured them very very hard it took a while for them to get into a lot of their sets they weren't getting into their offense until like you know 15 14 seconds left on the shot clock there they were making them you know make these really tough entry passes into the post so

I'll give them a lot of credit. I think doing that for an entire series is going to be hard to sustain. LeBron is look good. He also LeBron, one of eight from three. That's going to change moving forward. I think there's a lot more room for growth for the Lakers in this series rather than Memphis. And if Jah, if Jah's hand is going to be messed up for the rest of the series, I don't know how high the ceiling is for Memphis.

So I think I'll take the Lakers in this one. Yeah, I'm from Memphis. you don't even risk like trying to put Jai in there because like really you have to go you have you have to you have to you have to risk it I mean this is Jai is if Jai is somewhat healthy and you think that you have a team that can push in a wide open I say wide open especially like listen if the suns go down in the first round and you're the grizzlies and you're like on the other side and you're like hey all there really is just Denver I like it's the it's the lake's here but then furthermore it's like it's like it's like it's the lakers here but then furthermore it's like it's like it's like it's. It's Denver, and then we'll see what the clippers have. The West is 100% wide open at that point. So you kind of have to put Jot in to try and save yourself because... I mean, it's a medical issue. We can't really...

It comes down to if he can play, he will play, I'm sure. Yeah, but like you said, Moe, I'm not banking on Xavier Tillman dropping 22 every night. And they're smarter than that, too. They know that that's not happening every night. So, yeah, so John's going to come back. He's going to play, but I think the Lakers are just a little bit. They were bounced back shooting-wise, and they'll play a little bit better. I think this is like the exact type of loss to not overreact to if you're rooting for the Lakers.

This team, you know, after game one, they asked everybody in the media, what's your mindset going forward if Jaws is not going to be there. And I think, I don't remember if it was AD or somebody was like, our thought in two words is be greedy. And they kept to answer tagline is like, be greedy and like be hungry and like make sure you just go out there and play your game. They were not. They can say that all they want. This team has all year. We're talking about the Warriors showing us who they are. This team has showed us repeatedly.

They are not fucking greedy. They are prone to taking games off. 48 hours ago after game one, I would have told you they're going to lose game too. I can guarantee it. They do not come out with 100% energy all the time. And maybe it's going to bite them in the ass eventually. But right now, I mean, it is what it is. Like you said, it's a poor shooting game.

The Grizzis had a great defensive game plan. And Taylor Jenkins outcoach the shit out of Darvindham. They threw these doubles at AD that they couldn't make. them pay for. That'll probably change the game three. They'll adapt back to them. The Lakers will shoot better, like you said. They're going to be at home. They're not going to have this bad energy game like they're prone to have. If you thought the Lakers going to win yesterday, you should still think they're going to win. Yeah. I feel like, you know, if Joe was healthy and they lost his game, then I would feel like that whole entire like, oh, they're going to,

they're taking games off mentality like you mentioned would definitely like bite them in the ass, but because Jaws probably going to be like 50, 60 percent of what he actually is because I think he heard his shooting hand correct don't know um I don't remember either yeah I don't I don't I don't he's gonna linger though that's gonna be a problem for him yeah exactly you know so I think this injury

not let's say it's saving them because injuries happen and whatnot like who gives the fuck it's this it's a league at the end of the day but um I think they'll be straight and this is this is just like one of those things to where like you know things are going their way also also it was it was John's right hand

that's messed up so yeah Oh, they're done. It's a shooting head. They're not done. They can still win the series. I think this game showed us that they did what they had to do. The Lakers did what they had to do and won a game on the road. And in turn, the Grizzlies did what they had to do,

and they had to make sure they secure at least one at home. So I feel like either way you were leaning, I wouldn't change our mind yet, unless you, I mean, I guess the number of now. I shouldn't say that because the John Moran injury is a thing, right? Yeah. But I think it's too early to draw any conclusions yet. But I'm so confident the Lakers are going to win. No, yeah, you're done.

The one thing that I will say. for Jah they John needs to and this has absolutely nothing to do with basketball John needs to get himself a stylist because I saw him on the sidelines today this man was wearing

this ugly trucker hat with a Michael Jackson glove on the right hand it was not it was not looking good it was not looking good he was wearing a Michael Jackson glove he was wearing some type of gray glove it looked very bad I don't know if it was medical

or whatever probably it was probably medical they need to get him some medical drip that was terrible That was trash. That was trash. Oh, God.

Yeah, no. Memphis, that whole city as a whole is a lot to figure out man, a lot of crazy stuff going on over there.

He goes to show to L.A. in a shi-stimass. This is ridiculous. How are you all feeling about the way LeBron's looked? Because I guess instead of me asking

you the question, I'll just tell you how I feel. I have not been too confident in it. Game one, and he finished the game with a lot of points because he came out in the third quarter firing because he tried to get them back in the game. but he's been so passive

which I get it he's old and he's trying to let everybody else cook so he doesn't have to carry the burden at least until the last second he absolutely has to and he's dealing with the lingering foot injury that we know we're going to hear

as soon as they get eliminated from whatever series they get eliminated from we're going to hear yeah man I'm getting surgery next week it was some doctor said my foot might fall off or getting a dramatic shit we're like he's dealing with that sure

he's old he's trying to defer but he's playing like he's a supercharged Al Horford, where he's playing more to the power forward and he's not being the lead ball handler, which is what I'm not, that's like, you know, Al-Libran version.

Insane. Wow. But that's how he's playing, right? He's playing, like, the stretch forward. It's playing being the hub, but he's not being the lead ball handler running these picking roles. He's deferring to everybody else to do that, all the ball handlers around him. And in turn, he's trying hard on defense. He's playing, have you noticed that he's trying to

block like every shot on defense? Yes, yeah. Yes. He's like, he's chasing down everything. Because he's like, fuck him, I'm not going to be running, picking rolls me on offense. I'm going to make my impact felt somewhere. Yeah. He's gone for so many chase down blocks. It's hilarious. Yeah.

But, yeah, I mean, I feel like I want to see him be a little more aggressive. I feel like he needs to. Maybe he's waiting. How do you all feel about that? I mean, I think based off of what he saw, like, Austin Reeves do a couple of nights ago, you know, he's just trying to, like, let these people cook and do their thing. And, I mean, I agree with you, though. I agree with you.

His play hasn't been like that, like, you know, guys. Damn LeBron's back or goddamn playoff LeBron like we're used to seeing. And this is, I think there's 100% just like an age slash injury thing. And if, I don't know if he still can turn it on and get to that level. But if the war, if the Lakers want to have like any serious aspirations, obviously he's going to have to do that. So yeah, I see the same things as you. We'll see. We'll see how DeAngelo Russell plays moving forward.

Because I think that like LeBron, he's been waiting for this all year. Right. LeBron started the year with Juan Tiscano Anderson as one of his primary shooters. Like he's, he was throwing passes to Patrick Beverly and Juan T. And so now he finally has Rui, who has played really well this series. And Austin Reeves, who has come into his own, he's like about time, right? So like, I understand why he's been passive. I think, I agree with y'all. I think he's going to wait until games six or seven if it gets to that point.

And if it gets to that, then we'll probably see like a 35 point LeBron game. Just like, listen, we saw that twist the end of the regular season when they needed to win games, right? Those games in Utah, when they needed him to score and take it to the basking and shoulder the offensive load, he'll take that on. But LeBron also has a very, I don't know if I even want to, I guess I call it good because you've been to 10 finals. He's a very good way of, like, pacing a series, and he has his own, you know, he has his own way of saying, like, okay, if we go and get game one, I can try and feel things out in game two, and then we're going to go back home for games three and four, and I'll turn it on there. He has, like, a madness of science to, like, winning series and stuff like that. So I'll put a little bit of faith in him that he'll turn it around when it needs to be. Yeah.

It's so insane to me. And just, like, darn. It's so funny because the way he, the way he conserves energy and doesn't. his thing is like he just doesn't run fast unless he has to and like it's like he picks when he should run fast when it's like the most value efficient like in the half court he's not running unless like yeah game online he has run pick and roll he is not running he's going to set a screen do handoffs do his thing but if he gets a rebound he sees an open lane in transition nobody's in front of him he'll run because nobody nobody's there like he'll know

when it's worth it to run every other time out horford yeah man you guys talk about insane. Yeah. Let's go email you tomorrow. Obviously, his version about Horford's probably what he's going to be when he's 45. It's a real good player. Let's go email you tomorrow with some threats, man.

We're talking about this 38-year-old still like being up to par at this level. And I just can't wait to see like what after he's done. Like I think, you know, obviously it's just how human nature we're all going to start to appreciate him a little bit more or at least other people will. And like, you know, we'll start to see what can. Haiti looks like at 38 kawai if he's still around yeah it looks like at 38 you know and it'll be very interesting god the wrongs it to go man but what time is it what time is it yeah looks a little late uh no we still got a few more series to talk about first before we get

before we get to that time oh okay what's easy he tried to lob it up I know I like it though I'm trying to lob it up and I'm trying to duck and dodge let's do a quick overview of some these other series to give our quick thoughts on because those are the most interesting series And we'll wait for some more time to develop for some other ones Yeah, but we should at least talk about the East right and just give our brief thoughts on some of these series A hundred percent Let's let's listen They go they go win that

That's that's too old about that I told you guys the Nets aren't winning a single game They're not winning a single game They might get it doesn't matter they might get one I think they might go one Philly hasn't played a complete game yet And that like they've had to they have to turn off I don't know I'm They might get one

I'm hanging my head on one week they might get one at home as well i'll give it to you donovan yeah i got so i filly in five but it's not an interesting see i just talk about what sweeps happen every year nobody ever wants to predict it this is the one mo how do you feel what so boston has been sledding out the hawks we expected they can't defend those wings do you have any thoughts is i'm sorry if exactly like what i said like this is the absolutely the worst nightmare that we could have drawn up and we're going to get exposed in the worst way uh train young can get passed by sam Hauser, Sam

Hauser, you know, and it's just like all bad, the way they position themselves, and the way Trey Young likes to make these simple plays, it's just not going to work. You know, DeAndre Hunter, he's supposed to be our big wing who defends really well, and he looks just

real scary. He looks scary, lost. Shout out of Jante Murray. He's giving it to him, you know. But other than that, like, you know, we just have a lot to figure out. Tray Young, he has some serious allegations going towards him this because this postseason the last like I don't know seven to ten regular season or playoff games that he's had he's been Julian Newman pretty much just bad bad like can't do shit at least can't shoot can't

pass well turnovers but you can't like it's just all bad you know and now like it's just all bad but we don't we have i just need this need this not great asap and it'll be over with asap by this time next week it'll be done so this is a sweet this is you're almost done you're almost put out of your murder put your suffering to an end pretty soon yeah sure i was told me a hundred dollars though i listen and for everybody hopping in i've been in my dm's telling me to pay mo i'm gonna tell y'all and i'm gonna tell mo right now you will never see that money in your life you will have to take it off my corpse you will never get it okay understand that now if it has to get to me get to a point of me stealing from you to get

that i will get it by all me yeah i'm getting my hundred that's funny yeah not much to say yeah um shout to derrick white he's been looking like the fucking best guard in the series also need to get him yeah because they said we're going to hide tre young on him they're like bet we'll just have that guy cook you because our fourth best offensive player is really good still said not even try young bro fucking he's been giving his former spurs teammate buckets as well so it's just tough. It's hard not much to say about bucks versus heat

Giannis has been out so it's like the series hasn't even started the heat took game one but I'll check the, don't we can check the score right now because whenever we started the pot the game was on and the bucks were up by like 30 it was kind of crazy. That is insane yo yeah so hard to say because the games ongoing so the bucks so the bucks finished out

the win tonight they won 138-122 okay so How many points to Chris Milton get? How many points of Chris Milton have? Chris Middleton had 16 points. Oh my God, I bet on it is over at 20.5. This was a Brooke Lopez. This was a Brooke Lopez masterpiece.

Oh, wow. Okay, Brooke Lopez had 25, Drew Holiday had 24. Pat Connettin had 22. Wow. Yeah. Jimmy Buller had 25 and then nobody else for the heat had 20. Well, that's the story of, how do Bam out of Bioplay? 18 points

5 rebounds 1 assist Sounds like bam stat line But yeah Not much to say there Yannis isn't there Good thing the Bucks got one

Series of tie 1-1 I think we all think That once Yonis comes back They're gonna steamroll them Yes Not much to say there Absolutely they're getting They're getting railed

In every angle possible row They're done Wow Wow I saw a tweet earlier That unrelated It was about Kylie Jenner

and Kendall Jenner and the tweet was about why Kylie's a way better model than Kendall irrelevant but somebody quoted it and said somebody quoted it and said we all need to realize the way Kylie shits down Kendall's throat as a model they were saying she's a way better model but that verbiage is crazy

that's so disrespectful shit's down throat wow okay that's what we're doing now you probably saw that on your 4U page Off your for you page on Twitter, man. Stick to your following it. And if this is your following page, you need some re-evaluation to do. That's funny.

The one series that we don't have time to talk too much about, but deserves some time is Cass versus Knicks. Oh, man. Listen. Listen, listen, listen. Let's talk about it. Well, we were here. We were here in game one.

We're not there in game two. We got destroyed in game two. Yeah. Because Dary's Garland is absolutely him. but listen the nicks the nicks have a have a very good chance which is everything that we thought that was going to happen you know we thought that as not mo moam not oh yeah well listen he's a hawksman he's delusional in his own right hell wow but we said but we said that if julius randah was there this series is probably going to go seven it's going to be really close and there's

there's going to be a lot of back and forth jaylin brunson had a master class in game one Julius Randall he looked he looked fine like it's it's been okay and then Darius Garland follows up with an amazing game too right now the biggest thing is like who's who's gonna make shots and who's gonna who's gonna rebound I think for the Cavs the one thing that Mo has been talking about all year is Isaac Okoro and his role and we've seen Cleveland go to they've they've gone they've gone they've got to yeah yeah man they'd play Danny Green and Sadie Osmond to try and replace Okoro and get some shooting if those guys can make shots, then I think that they'll have a better chance. But going back to New York, I think defensively, the Knicks have a little bit of an advantage playing at home. And they'll, they'll be, they're for sure going to get one. I think that the series is probably going to be tied to two after game four. But it's really everything that we thought. The Knicks play, the Knicks play, they play really good isolation basketball, the Cavaliers. They have, like, when Mowbly and Allen wants to, want to rebound, and they want to be.

physical download they can they're just more talented offensively with mitchell and garland so it's just going to see who can play their style of basketball better over the next five games it's gonna be close that isaac tried to warn us about or more so me is just how much trouble evan mowby's going to have guarding just randall and just boxing out he's getting big body i did not know that he was going to be slutted out like that out there just like push moved aside like he's just a boxing. He's just like some U-Haul boxes. He's getting moved for real. He's seven feet tall, but probably lighter than I am. And then Julius Randall is swollen as shit and plays like it. Yeah, swole and he's one of the more physical players. Facts. Yeah. And it's

not even just Julius Randall. I'm glad you brought it up. Like that has, that's been a thing that he's having the tough matchup there. But the Knicks are destroying the rebound battle like I told you they would. And it's not even that Evan Mobley and Jared Allen can't keep up. The first game, they had double-digit rebounds each. But nobody outside of those two had more than three rebounds. They have nobody in that roster besides they're two big men that can box out

and play team rebounding. Clearly they did a better job at a second game when they blew them out. Like that's going to be a big thing they have to keep buttoned up every single game. Like normally we're not up here

talking about rebounds, but with a team like the Knicks who throw out of the Grizzlies and they win by out rebounding you, win the turnover battle, all that gritty stuff, you have to be buttoned up every single game.

100%. You tell me they can't stop Josh Hartman? How tough. No, Josh Hart, Josh Hart tonight. Listen, the key for the key real talk is either R.J.

Barrett, RJ Barrett or Quentin Grimes, one of them is going to have to step up because they're both given like not great minutes. Like RJ, RJ, RJ right now, just stealing time.

He's stealing company time right now. This is 30, this is on 32 minutes a game. He's at 10 points on 24% from the field and 12% from 3. That is stealing money and stealing company. any time. Now, Quentin Grimes isn't that much better. He's only taking threes. He's shooting 16% from the field and from three. He's at, you know, four and a half points per game. They're going to need one of those, one of those other, you know, wing guard type of players. One of them

is going to have to step up. And so, like, if neither of them do, then I think New York is in a real problem. But if one of them, just please, one or two threes a night, that's all I ask. That's All I'm asking, because this is unacceptable from those two. So, like, I'm, those are two of the key matches I'm looking at for the rest of this. Has Emmanuel, how's Emmanuel quickly been playing? Or, like, I don't remember. Eh, not, not great. Not great, but, like, Brunson's been, he's definitely been carrying, like, the point guard load.

So it's like, we don't have to rely on quickly to score like that. But, but like you said, if Josh Hart is, if his ankle is going to be a little, you know, tender for the rest of the series after. he messed up in game one one of those guys we're going to need either a big performance or just all around better play from them and i i'm not i'm just i'm just not seeing it right now but i'm really disappointed in rj he has to go this can't happen this can't happen 30 22 points 32 minutes a night and 10 points on 24% from the field that is when you have darius garland and donovan Mitchell guarding you you should be able to get to the basket and and finish and it's not happening it's ridiculous and it's pissing me off so it happens my life I'm good at anything

yeah my life sucks as a Hawks fan but I try a day Barrett's struggle makes me happy brings for some reason day it's not no ivory no random beef I just like seeing me bad see this Hayden this is why you're not getting your money yeah last time we mean Donovan both said Nixon 7, assuming Randall's healthy, which he is. Mo said Nick's, I mean, not Knicks, we said Cavs in 7. Mo said Cavs said Cavs and 5. Are y'all still feeling good about Cavs in a tough series? Now I'm moving towards calves and six obvious reasons now.

You suck. Actually, no, like I said, no, I'm, I'm, you know, I have the right to change my mind like you. I have the right to change my mind. I stick Cavs in 7, so I can't get much lower than that. But like, if you told me you think Nixon 7, I'm not going to. I'm not going to argue too hard. I think this would really go into the way now. You're going to have to hold that L to your chest because you're over your thumb on some

I don't know. They might make the Eastern Conference finals and why they'm on, you know? And so that's a spot-on impersonation, by the way. Yeah. The Knicks are good. Like it's not even about the cabs. The Knicks are a good team. God.

I hate that fuck, man. Let's switch the call TikTok time. Damn. Yeah, we can move on. This series can really go either way. I'm going to stick with the Cavs for now, but I won't be shocked if the Knicks end up winning it. Yeah.

I want them to win low-key. Same here. Same here. All right. Mo, what time is it? Tick-Tick-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T. This fucking do it. God-DGaw-G-Go-Go-Go-Go-Go.

Okay. It is TikTok time. As always, we're going to start with a draft like we always do. Today, we're going to do a little bit harder than usual. We're going to do a draft. with only players whose first name starts with the letter S. Listen, prepping for this one was tough.

Tough. It was tough. It was tough as tough. I'm going to be put up, put up an all-time stinker. Watch this. Yeah, you are. Listen, you have a shot clock. You have 30 seconds to make each pick or you're, we're picking for you.

Fuck no. Okay, let's go. No more ums and a lot is doing. So I had first pick, Mo at second pick, Don't have in his third pick for this one. All right, cool. So, let's draft NBA lineups with only players

Whose first name starts with the letter S That's too long Let's start NBA Let's draft NBA lineups With only players Whose first name starts with S First pick I got Shaquille O'Neal.

I knew that I knew that The first player Who starts with S came down in mind For some reason was salty Aldama But give me Steph Curry You should have picked Aldama I would have liked it

Yeah For sure for sure for sure All right I back here Back picks, give me Scotty Pippen and give me, and give me Shea Gilgis Alexander. Ah, that's a good pick. Fuck! I was hoping what you just forgot about him, but I knew what was going to happen?

No, sir. Damn. You got Scotty and Shea? I'm cucks now. Okay. Uh, all right. Give me. Give me, give me Sean Marion.

Okay. That's good. Thank God you didn't pick Steve Nash. Give me Steve Nash. I can't pick that. I was waiting. small i was waiting i needed one of the point guards so glad when it fell to me and then let's see and from my other guard give me sydney moncrieff oh okay that's good that's good okay cool so

at my four give me sean kemp that's a good pick i like that okay you get a nice lob through it to go stuff that's cool all right i need hmm who who am i who am i going to be pick here. Let's go drag is tough. Okay. At my five, give me, give me Sir Jabaka. Okay. Yeah, give me, give me prime Serge Abaka.

And then at my two, I'm going to get a little bit of height here. Give me Stephen Jackson. Oh, okay, okay. Okay, I like that. At my five, give me, I need a matchup with Isaac's Shaquille O'Neal, and the best I could do with Stephen, Stephen Adams. Yeah, I get the strongest guy in the NBA I mean, yeah, it is the best you can do Yeah

Listen, it's the best you can do But it's not enough Yeah, I'm still, it's still Rass for me Back-to-back picks I need a three and a four Give me Oh, this is tough

Give me Shane Battier For one of them That's nice Had him on the list Oh, you already pick Sean Marion It's tough I didn't write down enough names Yeah, I jackass

How tall is this guy? Let me Google this guy's height real quick. Shot clock. Yeah, no. It'll be fast because I only have two names written down, so. Go ahead and pick Sean Kilpatrick. I know you see his name up there. Pick him.

Who? Sean Kilpatrick. What? Don't disrespect. The net's a legend? Listen, I'm going to go a little small. Let me get Sam Jones to be my three. I need a permanent defender.

That's good. That's good. He got that civil rights pick. I like him Jones. I'm like, yeah, I'm over here squinting that silver rights thing. He's four of people. So I know him. I've played 2K before.

All right. Only one of us is a 10-time NBA champ on our team. I'll say that. Gosh. Ten times? Ten times? What? These most, holy shit.

How? It was like 5 teams of the league back then? Oh, my God. You and I could have got two rings. in the sixth We for sure I could have got that God

that's insane Okay Um So I got Steph Curry Stephen Adams Sean Marion Um

Is there someone else I got Okay Let me I want to see this dude's height Yeah who else do you have You have one more

Who you have one person Don't you I feel like I have one more person But I I have Steph Curry Sean Marion Stephen Adams Sean Kemp

Oh, Sean Kemp There we go So you need to Yeah I need to You pair the Curry Brothers Uh Do I want to pair

The Curry Brothers Oh my God Do it You're getting cooked on defense So Siddy Mankrieve is letting you out Oh my God Yeah

You know what I think I don't want to do this But I think I have to do this Brother who's going to pick Stephen Marbury. Give me Steve Francis. Y'all taking people off my list, bro. Yeah, give me Steve Francis. Isaac, I hate him.

You know one of those ball don't stop, guys? Isaac, I hate that you said that because that was my pick, and that's why I'm going to end this draft. Give me the Vaseline eater himself, Staphaugh-Marbury. All right. No, you're lying. Healyne. That is my guy.

Yeah. famously no you're not the most baggy shorts ever on your team it's gonna be great you didn't know that no he said yes he said savon marvre recorded himself and he said listen if you ever have a sore throat get some vassaline and he got this big old tub and went oh whoa that was a crazy visual but like yo that boy throat is different oh my god yo you're a demon holy shit daughter yo you didn't have to do all that you could have just told me this story but you Gobbler. Yeah, no.

You're... It's made as an eater. Get away from me. I don't want to be a bar. Everybody clip that out and tweeted at Donovan. I want to see it all over my timeline. Tag me. Yeah, no.

What was going through your mind? Clit that out right now. My bad. My bad. My bad. My bad. Now, that was crazy. Okay, we can move on.

Okay, say your teams. I got Steve Nash, Sidney Moncrief, Sam Jones, Shane Batier, Shaquille O'Neal. Cool. And I got Steph Curry, Steve Francis, Sean Marion, Sean Kemp. And then I have Stephen Adams. All right.

I have, I have Shea, Stefan Marbury, Stephen Jackson, Scottie Pippen, and Sergei Bacca. Your team sucks. My team is solid. Yeah. When your response is, my team is solid after your team sucks, nah, man, your team forever. Yeah, no, it's over. It's hard to lose when you have Shaq and Steve Nash.

Clearly. Clearly, y'all don't watch Big Three basketball, and y'all haven't seen what Steve Jackson can do. All right, Steve Jackson gets buckets. That's hilarious. My team is pretty nice. Yeah, let's move on. We're going to do another game of 20 questions, but not with a player. We're going to do it with a team.

Donovan, I think you're doing it this time. Do you have a team in mind? Yes, I do it. All right, hit us with that hook. All right. You have 20 questions to get this NBA team. Okay. Okay, cool.

Did they win an NBA? Ooh, you're right. Yes. 2010, okay. Did they win an NBA championship? No. Okay. Cool.

Do they have an MVP on their team? Former MVP, yes. But not like, but not like, The MVP. Yes, what I meant. Okay. Okay, cool. Was the MVP in his prime still?

Yes. Okay, okay. Cool. Did they make the conference finals? No. They're a failure. The MVP that flopped in the 2010s. Did they have other all-stars next to that MVP?

Yes. Multiple all-stars. Okay. Is this the Paul George era of Oklahoma City Thunder? No. Gosh, okay That's a good guess, Isaac Did this team

Cross 50 wins? Yes That's question seven Okay This team was elite And they were a disappointment Did this team have blue in their jerseys? No

Okay Was this team in the Western conference? Yes I try to avoid asking that question is too easy Listen, I'm trying to fucking win. I don't care. I think it's competitive 20 questions.

Like, we're in a fucking e-sports league. Yeah, yeah. My reputation is on the line. In the West, former MVP. Is this the Houston Rockets? No, it is not. Oh, damn. Okay.

It's not the Houston Rockets. You wouldn't have picked a Warriors team, would he? No, he said, There's no blue in the jerseys, so it can't be the Warriors. Yeah, no, no blue in, it's not Russ, it's not Hardin. It's a 2010's team, former MVP, so it was, it's not Yokic because before he won MVP's, huh, yeah, okay. I gave you, I bit too much.

It's okay. I mean, we gave us a bit too much, we asked the questions, you answered them. Is this the 2019 Lakers? No, it is not. God. Damn, dog. All right, let's go. Let's keep asking these questions.

Former MVP's in their prime. MVP's in a prime. Okay, was this post-2015? No. Okay, first half of the decade. No blue. It's not KD. Damn, okay.

Top teams. Who else were MVP's? Wait. Is it a Kobe team? Like 2010-20-11 Kobe era? Could it be like a 20? could it could it be uh the 2013 spurs no it is not no he's asking me that was that wasn't a guess i was whatever yeah whatever but um see my thought process

behind that though was because we didn't specify he he he's an MVP winner but he could have been a finals MVP winner oh my game could it be the spurs no no it's the MVP i'm not going to do you like that It's the only MVP I'm thinking of in the West that we haven't said yet is Kobe. So is this a 2011 Lakers? Did they win 50? Yes, it is. Let's go!

Yes, it is. This team, first in the West, 57 wins, had Kobe, Powell, Gassau, but got swept by the Mavericks in the second round. Damn, my chest a little too hard. This is a bit... Yeah, I would have never got that for some weird reason. MVP question helped a lot I mean narrowed it down All right

Next thing we're gonna do We're going to rate NBA memes Which would be real fun Okay So you guys are gonna For the viewers You're gonna see it on your screen You're gonna see some iconic NBA memes

That you've definitely seen before And I'm gonna have The two fellas next to me Rate them from 1 to 10 So do you guys have these pictures yet Yeah I got them Yes My Wi-Fi is working today

Let's go Oh jeez y'all rate these NBA memes from what y'all rate these NBA memes from one to ten first off iconic LeBron James yelling at J.R. Smith This is a 10 out of 10 meme

it's one of the craziest moments in NBA history to one of the most first not even versatile just one of the perfect what are you doing moments yeah it's useful 10 out of 10 yeah anytime someone says some dumb shit and you gotta tell your friend like what the hell's wrong with you this meme it's right there

on the silver platter for you. Absolutely. It's all you need, bro. When it comes to top-tier memes, it's all about usability and the frequency of it. And you could use this meme every single day for the rest of your life if you want it. Function.

It's going to die with the internet. Classic. It's never going away. All right, next one. The iconic OG mom-made pizza rolls meme. Oh, man. That's a solid like eight because it gives me amazing throwback by.

when I was like 12, 13 years old. Yeah, on Facebook. But it's not like versatile, though. It's kind of washed. Yeah, it's very dated. It's a very dated meme. You can't use, you can't use this right now. Shout out to iPhone.

This is definitely a funny-ass meme. Yeah, if you're in the group chat right now, and you and the guys are watching the playoffs and you send this out of hype, I'm going to laugh you out of the room. Yeah, no, I'm going to look at you and be like, bro, what are you doing? How to all the memes you have in your catalog?

you choose this you know yeah you use it unironically you probably deserve jail time yeah you only use this

if like you're joking around and you have nothing else to use just nostalgia though nostalgia I'm giving it a nine yeah definitely

it's eight on my end easy how about Lance Stevenson blowing in the bronze ear it's kicky ass me man nah it's a seven

how about to say as a meme I think it's like a six as a moment 10 out of 10 he blew in another man's ear during the game this is crazy this is this is diabolical this is insane i can't if we're talking single person meme ability as an NBA player Lance Stevenson's Hall of Fame Lance Stevens set the bar this man is a walking he was born to be a meme generational talent honestly yeah not easily he has meme on meme on meme and this is probably gonna be the most memorable meme

but in terms of like usability I ain't going to be sending you a meme of Lance Stevenson blowing in another man's ear for what? It's kind of weird yeah yeah it's my kinky

yeah it's in this freak-ass meme yeah next one all time embarrassing moment Chris Paul getting all time embarrassing moment

Chris Paul getting his ankle broken into every which way on the internet this is not only a meme but it's a Hall of Fame Basketball Edit I've seen memes or videos of him I'll put on the moon Going ahead

Surfing across Hawaii bro Like this is easy to be surfing He was He was he was What's that game called When you put your hands on the ground Twisted He was surfing

He was playing Twister He was skateboarding Delivering pizzas He's doing everything He was hitting the whip Yeah This isn't just a meme This transcends that

This is a cultural moment Absolutely, bro We're gonna tell our kids About the time Chris Paul Got turned into an internet icon Against his will The world stopped when this happened We have this

Michael Jackson dying And Rudy Gober getting COVID Oh man That's a great moment All right next one Derek Rose's stoic face after hitting a game winner in 2015 All right

This is amazing moment as well Seven out of ten meme Only because it was easily replaced By Damian Lillard's game winner Oh true Yeah And so everybody said All right Derek

You had your time Right It's just not It's not crossing over generations It's not a generational meme So I have to take off some points You send a test of time I understand that

I'll give it a six for that reason Yeah Listen we have to be objective with these memes all right we have to tell the truth there can only one stale face in the basketball meme hall of fame Derek it's not you yeah but shout out to Derek rose

solid seven uh for its time being it had a nice self-fly for like five years until you know dame miller came along and like absolutely wiped this off of the face of the earth but it's still usable but it's not like first come to mind yeah okay last but not least

Nick young turning around despite missing the shot looking stupid as hell listen 10 10 10 listen every time i see this video or this meme it's in a gift if you are still using gifts in 2023 you are too old to be on the internet get off get off what come on now i like my gifts no this is a reaction video podcast we don't use gifts you you better have some actual videos you better have some some content behind your memes no but this is the other to be my stands a test of time for usability anytime someone does something that's irrationally confident in a hilarious fashion nick young meme yeah absolutely bro back in back in my heyday when i was

shoot my shots in dms yo i this was literally me this was this me this was this me with the definition of 2017 me bro congratulations on having no game yeah no motion straight i am rizzles and vibes congrats you could have kept that to yourself i had to voice i had a voice my I had to waste my feelings, bro. All right, that's all the NBA means we got today. I love the series. We'll be doing more of this. Next one.

We're going to do a few things of pictures today, which means I'm going to have a really annoying time editing this. But next up, I'm going to send you guys some heads. Guess this NBA player by their haircut. We'll do this before. We're going to do it again. I'm going to show you some domes. Number one.

Wait, I don't have nothing yet. Okay, here we go. Oh, this is easily, I know who this is. Donovan, can you guess? I don't know who this is. You got it. I can tell by that beat-ass afro, that's DeAndre Aton. This is DeAndre Aten.

Okay. Aiton. Aiton. Well, came into the league looking 45 years old and his forehead shows it. Yeah, he's the oldest, like, 23-year-old or 24-year-old in league history. All right, player number two. Who is this? Hold up.

Hold up. Oh, man, he has a weird-shaped head. Y'all know how I feel about that. Now, his one head is very square. It's very square, and this gives me action-vigor vibes. This is Desmond Bain. This is Desmond Bain. Yeah. Yeah.

Wow. Mose on fire. I don't know why I know heads. The wildest forms in the NBA belongs to Desmond Bain. What about this guy? uh bro i know who all these people are donnava who do you hold on hold on hold on i haven't gotten it yet

oh shit yeah okay here we go oh that is cole anthony yeah that's Cole anthony what gave it away that has Cole Anthony I think that

he's the he's the most light-skinned person with brates or would get it that that is damn your white forehead so I get it yeah exactly i couldn't think of like this is easily like one of he's one of the whiter NBA players who's not even white so this is definitely good yeah he just likes game that's it yeah he's still my brother hey who is this what about this one let's see let's see man i see some i feel some euro vibes

uh too because some you know spiky hair that like weird curvature that four Why are you to take some? Okay, I used to do your hair like that. Oh, okay, I know who this is. I know who this is. I have a feeling this. This is, this is big vooch.

This is big vooch. Yeah. This is voochy made. Yeah, these are all to music today. He got a square head, man. This thing is, I know. It's just a block. Bro, he's going to shred of Minecraft.

This man is a Lego. Oh, man. All right. Whose forehead is this? I don't know, but it's shiny. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. The lighting is deceiving. This man has a greasy forehead.

This feels, you know what this feels like? I feel like this might be Marcus Smart with Bray. Yep, the acne gives it away. This is Markets Smart. And I was trying to remember, did he have raids in his head? I don't remember. A lot of people have brazened in head. But the acne and the dark marks in head, give it away.

Yeah, okay. Last one. All right. I could go ahead and finish this out. Mo, I'm gonna lob this up to you. You go ahead, take this one. Yeah, no, this is easily Kauai Leonard.

This has to be Kauai, right? This is not Kauai Leonard. Whoa, this is my first miss. This is Al-Fu-Rucumino. What? I'm just kidding. It's Kau-Li-Li-Lorid. What?

Did you see look at my face? Alfred! Oh, my God. No, no. No, it's Kau-Lennard. God, yeah, no, man. You had to, this is easily Kau-I. He has one of the, I don't know,

sometimes he sold up crispy and other times his his lining is beat because he just doesn't care which i respect but this is definitely kawai yeah it's yeah it was definitely kawai i'm we have one more tic talk to do i'm sending the videos of the pictures right now donovan will get it in a fortnight we'll see how it's good i love the haircut we do so many videos about haircuts it's hilarious i know we're obsessed with hair i love with i love our bag bro next let's go ahead and rate let's go ahead and like rate beards or something like that yeah we did a beard draft we can definitely we can definitely rate beards oh man yeah I'm sorry guys my Wi-Fi is not clutch my Wi-Fi is not DM Fox yeah they don't want to have a good viewers need to go ahead and

leave a like on this video comment follow us on Instagram Twitter all that good stuff and if you're listening on Spotify is it correct and also Apple music go ahead leave a five-star review and And, yo, like, let's go ahead and, you know, obviously, Donovan is struggling. Can't pay his Wi-Fi, can't pay me back. Struggling hard. If you're still here, if you're still here, comment, Donovan, move out. Yeah. I'm seeing the comments.

Donovan, move out. I'm trying. I'm trying to get motion over here. I'm trying to get them moving. Have you still got him? Trying to get motion. No, that's to have it. Oh, my goodness.

It's terrible. It's hilarious. It's just as you dying, yo. mo how was your day fill some time all right we got them mo i don't care about your day i don't care about you day i don't care about you

we got ticot i don't give a damn oh thank god man the last video we're going to go back to do something we did a few times we're going to talk about NBA logos specifically old versus new so

which NBA logo is better old or new first off the Dallas Mavericks Dallas Mavericks new logo is so fire so fire I mean they're old the logo my bad Dallas Maverick's old logo was it top tier

the cowboy hat hanging up the side of the M the green background what do you mean what I feel like the old one looks like something you'd see on the front of a gas station yeah oh we're all disconnected right now nah y'all need to reval it whatever you got going on I'm I'm with Isaac

I think the new logo is better I think listen if they put a hat on the on the horse that's that they could go there. They can compromise there, but I mean, both of them, but both of them are just like that. The old logo looks like it belongs on a gray sweater that a high school track athlete is wearing outside in 40 degree weather at 6 a.

Facts. Facts. Y'all all tripping. Y'all, y'all actually right about that, but at the same time, you're tripping. Re-evaluate yourselves. Get aligned. You're lying. Old. Next up, Cavaliers. I like the old era versus Donovan

Mitchell era. I like the old one. This new one is just like, it, I like, it It's too clean, too moderate. I don't like it. Too minimalistic. Yeah. I'm going to decide it. I like the black element in the new one.

That's like one of the new core colors. I'm a big fan of that. You're a sucker for black. I think for me, mainly the only thing that's gravity with the old is the nostalgic memories. But if I'm being completely transparent, the new watches. The new washes. It's not even close. washes or not

I don't know if it washes but I'll go new slightly right next up we got some fucking construction going out I was like moved to L.A. It's a madhouse out here. Hey next one the Utah Jazz

Let me see what the jazz Oh come on now Come on now This is a setup This is a sweep This is a sweep The old one Watched they should have never been

allowed to make this one Adam Silver should have vetoed this logo Right here Yeah if you're Pro, their new rebrand is neon garbage. He failed the NBA. I think that you, respectively, shouldn't be allowed to speak. Well, damn.

I guess I lost my job. On your keyboard. I think this is kind of fire. Now I'm not getting to the point to where it's better, but I actually like it. It's like 40-60, but I'm going to lean towards old. I'm disappointed that you even thought about it, but at least you made the right choice. The NBA is worse with this logo in it. It's terrible.

You think this is a reason why viewership is low? Damn. You don't do it. We're setting back civil rights issues 20 years with this logo. You let the Mormons get neon? Oh, man. Yeah, they're never improving, bro. All right, next one.

The Charlotte Hornets. Bobcats versus Hornets. Old is so ass. It's just a whole depressing era. His logo was horrible. Terrible. Who made this? Everything about the Bobcats branding was terrible.

This high school musical-ass logo? Yeah, this dumb-ass cat roaring. Move, bitch. What the hell is this? What is this? What am I looking at? What is this? No one in the NBA has a logo like this.

Why? It makes me mad looking at this. God. This screams New Mexico High School. I'll take the new one. Mo. Mo got it. I'll take the new one. New one with sweeps, bro.

It's funny because the new one isn't even that great. The old one's just embarrassing. Yeah, exactly. The new one is I. It's pretty mid to me. But the old one is just like, bro, you have to hide this from team history. This should never be uncovered or unveiled. This needs to be wiped from the internet.

I don't know how we got this picture, to be honest with you. Does that happen? That's hilarious. What's next? Next up, the Detroit Pistons. Oh, the old one Rockin with the teal The old one

I like, listen Well, I guess they're both home But like the horse one The one with the horses is dope Like I like the clean basketball Of like the one that they have now And the one that they had in the 80s But like

Listen that teal horse is cool I can't describe it It's just cool Or the horse's on fire Yeah It's so hard bro I want to be a pissing fan When I see that

But then when I see the new logo I'm like What are we doing? Yeah, I don't want to be a Pistons fan. I want to be that horse. The horse is awesome. That horse is way cooler than me. Yeah, absolutely, bro.

I feel like with that logo on my chest, I'm easily putting up 25, 5, and 5 for the rest of my career, bro. But with this new logo, I'm Killing. If Killeen Hayes wore this logo every game, he would be Damien Lillard. Oh, easy, bro. You just solved the, you just solve the Detroit Pissons problems. Yeah.

That's how you fixed draft analysis. He's giving this logo and everybody's a star. Yeah. Last one The Washington Wizards You're all rocking with the brown? I like the brown I like the brown

The new one is better though The new one's dope Old one sucks man I'm not gonna lie to you That wizard looks lanky as hell It looks like a character from the proud family What are you kidding me bro Hell yeah

He lives like a care from the proud family And he looks really righteous too I fuck with the old one Old one is hard Are you kidding me Listen you mentioned the You mentioned the proud family That's actually a win for the old one

Yeah Profit was a Hood classic This old one Looks like it would be The mascot of a Serial brand From the 80s

He looks so masterful I love it bro Looks like he's gonna go Save me From all my sins Our best That Wizard knows Maybe a card trick or two

Yeah He doesn't know enough To go in to save That sorry-ass franchise Try New by default Honestly A new one isn't even good

But give it to him No, dude You really underrate the beard as well To be honest You really do Okay Bro, no, listen Because look,

Because the beard Makes that makes a little W In the wizard Yeah, exactly And he's on this See, this one is deep This is a deep logo It has levels to

You're not people You're looking at here I need you go deeper I need you to think about it I need you think about it Sounds like I'm out of old it is and just like that guys a minute an hour

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