The Deep 3 Podcast - Everything We've Learned In The NBA Conf. Finals | Ep. 216

Episode Date: May 25, 2026

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Mo, how does it feel to know that your team, the Atlanta Hawks of 2026, are the only team that's been able to take any games off of the New York Knicks Super team that's been emerging this year. How does it feel to know that you and C.J. McCollum, the only ones that made those guys sweat. Don't ever align me with C.J. McCollum in your goddamn life again. But it feels good. It's like, whoa, I feel like that belt that we caught feels a little bit better. Yeah.

I feel like the second most accomplished team in the Eastern Conference this entire Cs. season. Who cares about winning a first round series? Who cares about winning a second round series again, the conference finals? Who cares about getting to a game seven? Who cares? If I could take two games off of a team that's won 10 straight and is emerging as the best team in their conference by a wide margin, every victory matters.

Amen. Jim Bruns looked like his worst version of himself, worst playing the Hawks so far at this playoffs. Same thing you can be said about McCall Bridges. Kat, you know, he's kind of, he's kind of open right now. O.G. he's been that guy since day one. I feel good. I feel good.

I feel way worse than I did like two, three weeks ago. It's a very restrictive loss. It is. Shout out moral victories. Yeah, good job. Yeah, good job. Got out more victories. So Mo learned that he has a moral victory to take away so far in the conference finals.

That's his learning. I also learned that we are one win away from the cracking of dogs. It's happening on camera. You guys might go to the finals. You might have to get cracked live on TV. That's one of those people know we're talking about. Otherwise, Mo sounds crazy as fuck. Moe sounds insane.

Let's pull this up, man. Let's have some context. I still don't even know 100% what's going to happen. You don't find out what happens. I don't know what the execution of this is going to be like. So on May 7th, Elena Noseball tweeted a comment

that was made on an episode of the show. I forget which one. It was from the beginning of the playoffs. I think maybe when the second round just started, someone says, if the Knicks make the finals, can we get a dong cracking episode? At the Deep Three Potter Ply's,

yeah. In chat, we are one win away from the don't cracking episode. Now, we thought that Nix could, this is a, when that caught was made, I don't think there's much expectations the Knicks making the finals. And now here we are, it's inevitability.

It seemed like the likely outcome for about a week and a half now since things shook out the way they did. So, it is what it is. You're taking one for the team, buddy. Yeah, man. The Crack of Don episode. Yes. The Crack and Don hashtag is crazy.

The Crack of Don, she cooked. That's hilarious. It's really good. That's really good. That's fantastic writing. That's good wordplay. It's a fantastic writer. Yeah, we'll talk about the Nick's series

and everything that Jalen Brunson, Kat, Mike Brown, everybody else has done to make dog get cracked most likely. Q can enter music. We'll talk about it. We're throwing it back. Whoa. That's crazy.

He was bragging. I hope you didn't say it. The cranium is crazy. Oh my God. Crowd eaters rejoice. So we'll start off talking about the NICS series. And I'll go first, something I learned this series. The NICs are 100% almost one, not one to one,

is slightly different, but very similar. arc, the 2026 version of the Pacers, we're here. And this Nick's team truly is a championship caliber team. And the whole time we've been talking about them in this playoff run, it went from early on, you know, we were colored by all of the midseason meltdowns you had as a Knicks fan where you lost faith in this team because they showed you they were unsurious in so many different ways. They were playing it towards end of the season, but we said, okay, let's see what happens, right?

They get into the playoffs, these are steamrolling teams. After a few games gets the Hawks, they steamroll them, steamroll the Sixers. We were like, okay, looks like they're probably the favorite out east, right? we don't know what's going to happen if they get to the West and they play the Thunder or they play the Spurs probably don't send a chance

but they're the favorites now anything can happen it's a good story we've reached the point now where I've heard 10 straight wins and 10 straight mollywppings and being for 10 straight games of the playoffs

the best offensive rating of all time in this 10 game sample this is just an elite team this feels like they're capturing the same type of magic the Patriot has captured last year where they went from good and promising

after a tumultures to start to being truly championship caliber and needing all the respect in the world you can give them that's how I feel about the Knicks now like this is straight up a great team.

I think the like last year we were getting Tyrus Halliburton buzzer beaters. We were getting insane shooting from Neesmith and Nemhart. The same thing is happening with Mikhail Bridges, where McKell Bridges is shooting like insane throughout the entire playoffs. This series alone, he's shooting 71% from the field. Like it doesn't, it doesn't make sense. And so even if you were holding out and you were like, listen, just just trust and believe it in McKell, like he's going to play good.

He's going to play good. and you want to defend that trade. I don't think even those people would be, would have like expected him to play at this level. Yeah. So across, across the board, you got, you got the bump from him before the injury.

OJ was shooting over 50% from three. That's crazy. We saw point cat. That's crazy. Like every single version of everybody on, on this team is peaking at the, at the right moment. And I appreciate y'all.

Sometimes you do have to hit rock bottom. And so, And sometimes you do have to have, you do have to stare mortality in the face. And that's exactly what happened after game three against the Hawks. And whatever it was said in the locker room, whatever adjustments was made, whatever, whatever dream anybody had, it worked. How does it feel? How does it feel to see your team? Weird.

Weird. Yeah. It feels so weird. I like, I can't believe that like the Knicks are doing this. Because, and I'm like, obviously, it's with 3-0 right now on the precipits of going to the final. So there's a lot of retrospection, uh, happening right now and everybody going back and looking at what they did. And I remember I wasn't even super high on the Brunton contract whenever we first signed him.

And I was like, oh, here goes the Knicks doing doing Knicks things again overpaying for somebody. Nepotism. Yeah. Like it felt, it felt weird. I went back, uh, this weekend, watched the emergency episode that we put out after the, the cat trade and just how, and like, how distraught I was then and like, oh, like, we didn't even even get one game. that's proved out to be very, very fruitful. I was, I was very high on the OG trade as it happened.

But like all of these different things happen. It's like, okay, they are, they have been smart for like four years now. And that's completely the opposite of everything the NICS had been for the last 25 years. So the fact that they're like here in this spot where tonight they could actually go to a finals by sweeping somebody is, it's insane. It still doesn't make sense. Yeah, that's mad. And I think you need ultimately above. all this, you need someone we can conduct and orchestrate like the perfect musical.

And I think that's what Mike Brown been for you guys. Virtually you guys came into the season with the exact same roster. Yeah, you made some like additions. I think they got it. They brought in Jordan Clarkson and then also you traded midseason for Jose Alvarado. But those guys haven't made the biggest difference in the world. More so it's been what you guys have done internally and how the offense looks so much differently.

And also like it looks like the ideal version of what a success, a success on the XVI. needs to look like. Bro, I saw this tweet who got posted earlier this, I think it was last night or so. It was last night. And it showed the offensive rating between Kat and OCJ and Brunson last year versus this year. And it's an immense difference. And you can also feel that they look like they are the best offense in the entire league when it comes to the thing, the synergy they have between those two.

Then on top of it as well, okay, OG looking like the best two-way player in league at one point the playoffs. Then on top of that as well, the McHall Bridges thing happening. And everything in between that, just working really well. Landry Shammett, just hooping his ass off looking

like the best vet minimum contract in the entire week. That's one of the craziest parts. You're talking about the smart things the Knicks have done. The Landry Shammett signing, like just being able to have a guy that gives you the option

to close games with him instead of Josh Hart and have the five out spacing so you don't have those weaknesses. Amazing work for a veteran minimum, a guy that if you went to most teams, we would not be talking about Landry Shammett in any meaningful way for this calendar

NBA year. And even Josh Hart, after game one he was so bad in the first half they closed the game with Landry Shammit and won the game. We saw the infamous No 3-No D version Josh Hart come out. Game 2 had his respond. Has the game of his life. He was moving different. The aggression smacking the threes and no hesitation driving off of them

and the Josh Hart specifically. I feel like every single playoffs. So you're used to get the good Josh Hart and the bad Josh Hart every single time. But getting the good Josh Hart in the game that matters most to go up to 2O was of vital importance. There's not a single part of this roster right now that you can really have an issue with. It's just a complete incredible team right now. Yeah. I can't believe it.

I can't believe it. I think the one thing that I did learn is that there can only be one small guard in the league at a time. Yeah. Like, you know, like, and so this is like, it's, it's Brunson and his D. Mitch, and you have these two teams that have these small guards. And you're trying to see, okay, can anyone get over the hump, get to the finals, do do this thing. And the Knicks are positioned to do that. Listen, I don't know. what would happen if they if they were the first team like if we're doing all this and then somehow

they were they were the first team to like blow three a lead which is that's that trauma talking man you're good man you're good you are good I'm I'm good you're good until you're not you're good until you're not and as a person who blew through and lead it's it's there it's there in the back of my mind it should be I mean not really but it should be just just to be careful yeah I don't I want to see the cabs in the finals. I've been saying this since the first round. They're frauds. I hate this team.

I'm very happy to see the next in the finals for storylines because the team's clicking in all cylinders. All that's true. I'm rooting for you guys to make it there for many reasons, right? It also wouldn't be the best day of my life if you blew a 30 lead. I also would never, ever get over the jubilation I would feel if the Knicks blew a 30 lead. I don't know.

That'd be so bad. The streets in New York would be so dangerous if you guys blew a 30 lead. It really would. People would die. People would die. And I'll be souls on your end. Oh, what does it say? This is the first thing you guys learned this series.

J.E.B. 514 says Donovan Smooth will have the best son of his life. Yeah, yeah. That's what they've learned. So do you think when lose or draw, whatever happens in the finals, you're going to have the best time of your life? Just by the next getting there? The next game there obviously is an accomplishment. And I still think best summer of my life is on the table.

Okay. You're staring at the precipice of best of your life. It's possible. Yeah. Yeah. Because they could go and beat one of these other teams. Like if that series go seven and everybody is is hurt, like we're already seen with the, with the thunder and we'll talk about them later, but like no AJ Mitchell, no J.

Dobe. If somehow they can figure out a way to get out of the series, you have that. On the other side, Fox, Harper, those two guys are playing through stuff. The series is insanely physical. Somebody can get hurt at any moment. Like, they can win the finals. That is on the board. And I do understand.

and whenever we make our predictions, like, obviously, I'm pick the Knicks, but I'm picking them as a team that will be the underdog. And like, I fully understand that. I get that and everything. But with the way that they're playing and the way that they're shooting, they can win it all. 100% they can. And now I will pick the Thunder. I will pick the Spurs. It's no secret.

I will tell you now. I will pick the other teams. But it's a prediction that comes with me fully understanding that that could be wrong very feasibly. Be Souls. Yes. How does it feel to be replaced? because coming into the playoffs yeah that's what it is right

it's what it is coming into the playoffs we talked about the state of the league was the spurs and the thunder the best two teams and the east there's one team to punch a chance of winning it and that's the Celtics because how they match up with the teams in the finals they have the perimeter defense they have the smart defensive coach that they see SGA we think they can do

a good job of game planning against him so coming out of the East the Celtics have a chance we don't feel like the magic whoever else right including the Knicks because they again were on serious early in the year The same dynamic is here now But the Knicks are the team That has a bunch of chance

How does it feel to watch a rival A East Coast maybe potential rival I don't know how you guys feel about the Knicks How does it feel someone else live your dreams You know what It hurts But at least it's not Philly That's one

And two Hey man y'all gotta start taking the East seriously That's a part of the conversation We're gonna have today man That's the last thing I think about What the hell? Hey man I just thought there's a conference

A one good team in it You're telling me I should take the conference more seriously? Perspectives, right? If that's how you want to look at life. That's how you want to look at life. You got hit with a brick over your head, man. What do you mean perspective? You're just a fuck, man.

I saw an eight seed, push a one seed to seven games. That's what I saw. I don't know. I saw a seven seed push a two seed to seven games. You know what that means? That means the one seed and the two seed suck and are frauds. And that's why the conference sucks. Perspective.

Perspective, right? You think that means a seven or eight seed you're just dope? That means the one and two seed. championship californ. So when the We Believe Warriors push the 07 maps to seven games

once we even beat them. Yes, the maps were frauds, correct? Nah, you're not saying the whole conference is weak because of that. No, no, no, I'm saying the conference is weak because it's weak.

Not because of the one situation. Nah, man. I'm a pyloplo believer, man. Change for your card over to me, man. No, you're not. You are not. You are not. You are not.

You can make your point without being alive. You can do that. But no, shut the Knicks. Like, when the South is lost, we thought who the fuck is going to come out to East now and challenge whoever comes out the West. The Knicks are 100% playing at that level that, let's say it's the Spurs. You know, you've been saying all playoff run that the Knicks matchup against Spurs and you're not scared of them. No, I'm scared now.

That's where in the world is that size. I'm scared now. Well, you feel like there's some matchup advantages you could have to beat them. I'll say I'd pick the Knicks to lose or the Spurs to win like 55, 60%. I'm leaving a pretty good chance for the next to win the series. That's great. That's respectable.

Now, Thunder, I feel less confident about the Knicks just because of match-up things. They have their perfect guard defenders to slow down Jaylon Brunson and all these things that they can stress them in ways nobody else has. So I don't think they can beat the Thunder necessarily, assuming health. But if you say the Spurs,

which it will get to you with the Thunder Health, you have a real almost coin flip chance, I think, of seeing a Knicks championship. Wow. Almost. Wow. I'm saying that. I mean, Wemby's Wemby, so maybe not.

But we can have this moment to say you have a coin flip. flip chance. Yeah. It's, listen, if they win the chip, I'm insufferable. You guys will actively not like you. We might not,

we might not be friends. Like, it's, it's gonna, it's gonna be great. Cards will be pulled. Yeah. Jains will be tested.

Y'all better hope they don't win a chip, man. Because this is, this is one of the, one of the best runs that we've seen in NBA history. It's one of the best, just moments like,

especially for, and it's funny because like the, and I get it because it's the Knicks and like they're in New York. But really any other team that has had a history like this making this run would be the overwhelmingly just like beloved team of this franchise that hasn't won in 50 years, hasn't been to the finals in nearly three decades, has had two, you know, 20 years of just straight mismanagement and then all of a sudden they're putting it together with their underdog, small point guard. Like this should be like the team of destiny that everybody wraps their arms around.

And you got, you know, demigods on the other side of the other conference of the bracket that everyone's like, okay, yeah, we actually do like them a little bit more. Well, if you see the Thunder, everybody will wrap their arms around anything before the Thunder. People will wrap their arms around organized crime before they wrap their arms around the Thunder. Oh, big time. Big time. People will embrace the mob before the Thunder. Big time. Shout out the Knicks, man.

3-0. Is it what it is? Cavaliers. Dude, on the other side of the calves, I walked into the series running out, praying, hoping to God that this team blows it the fuck up by all regards. Now, when it comes to blowing it up, obviously, like, you still keep Evan Mobe because you kind of have to, but do you need to? Do you?

You kind of, you kind of have to, unless there's, like, some massive trade looming for that guy. Master trick is looming. If that opportunity is there, I'm taking it in a heartbeat. And I think this team has, like, reached this full. potential when it comes to being led by Donovan Mitchell, Evan Moby, Jared Allen, and of course, like, the heart and overall too. And this team will pretty much

lead you to nothing but massive disappointments when you need physicality, when you need all time lock, and when you need connectivity on both ends of the floor. That's what you need. And also, I walked out of the series, but fully believing that Kenny Atkinson needs to be launched into the science as well.

What is his comments, say, Buse, all right, Crimson Cash says, the Cavs might have made the worst win-now trade ever that forces them to blow it up as they lost their direction changing trade asset in dari scarlane yeah so the james hardin has been the talking point right that james hardin looks like 37 year old james hardin he looks like he has all the downsides of what we've always known james hardin to be and now he's extremely old and they're obviously not to win the series causes everybody to revisit this darius garland trade when it happened none of us liked it

we all created like a c or a d or something like that actually i think you might have an f yeah it was dumb yeah and i gave it like a d I was like, I'll give them the respect to understand the reason and explain the reason because they feel like Darius Garland can't be a playoff contributor this year because of tow and this is their window. They know if they fail. They're going to blow it up in some capacity. So it's a the time is now moment and Garland isn't some untouchable prospect of the point

where they feel like they have to prioritize a long-term window. So it just kind of makes sense for them, right? All that being said, I understood it. Still said this is a bad trade. Nobody has faith. I remember the exact phrasing we use. The idea of going all in. in and using your all in push around James Hardin is insane.

It is paradoxical. And here we are. The whole world is agreeing with that now. I don't, what do you even take away from that besides? Tough. I think in general, like,

I think it probably was like slightly high on it because not higher than you guys. So it was because I know there is going in the whole nine, nine toes thing has been a conversation for the last like year and a half. And we're two years for real, you know? And the real thing is like if the calves would have kept there is going. in right now, would they even make it this far, considering the health and how he's consistently been out of very important pivotal playoff games. Meanwhile James Harder and he's just been there

and they're just asking to simply be there. I think everyone knew that this, there was a ceiling when it comes to James Harder and not expecting him to like lead them to the promise line necessarily. I mean, that's a hope, but obviously like no one is dead ass saying that with a straight face at all. Are you sure? They just wanted to be there. Are you sure? I think that Cavs definitely did ass that he's can lead us their promise land. Like, that's their goal. This is one of the best teams in the league, presumably coming into the season.

Like, I think you only do this type of move if you think he can lead you to their promise land because they weren't going to be some bad team with Garland. Garland was healthy come playoff time. I don't think they would have been so bad in the regular season without him. Yeah, but time and time again in the playoffs.

Sure, sure. We always see him out, you know? And time and time with James Harder we've seen bad in the playoffs. Like, it was a tradeoff enough. I think they truly believe that the ceiling of James Harden and the way he was playing,

carrying the clippers early in the season was enough to make them be able to make a real push. And, you know, I mean, they made the conference finals. So clearly they made some kind of push. But to use that phrase and to get to the promised land,

I think they truly, they had to have truly believed that James Hardin was going to get them there. Yeah, they had to. And it just, I mean, it proves that. Should they have? I don't know. Yeah.

But, I mean, it proves that James Hardin be, you know, casting spells and stuff. And doing all of this witchcraft because I don't understand how you can, you can take that risk and I guess maybe, I can understand where you come from of like, okay, James Harding,

he has to do it one time. So, okay, maybe you're doing like that. Honestly, you know what this is? This is the pace is being like, we're due. And the Cavs looking at James Hardin and saying he's due for one, for one playoff run and then thinking that they can do that. The one thing I just can't get behind

is trading a guy, is trading one of your franchise porn guards for somebody that's 11 years older than him. That's a terrible way. Like, even if you did flame out, you could trade Derry, Garland in the off season and retooled then. I don't I didn't think that they had to do that in this in in February you know why they did I think because you also first his comment from allie is the goat

1492 he learned that James Hardin's ability to hit a new low is the most powerful attribute NBA history. You said they they felt that James Hardin was due I saw a tweet that someone said imagine being a hardin fan for 17 years and it not once did it work out I don't think they thought that Jim Hardin's your whole life damn just that rock bottom I don't think they thought James Hardin was due I think they thought Donovan Mitchell was due and if Mobley was due and Hardin was good enough to facilitate those guys lead him to the promised land

whereas Garland might not have been there and might not have facilitated that right and they were wrong on all accounts that Evan Moble Leap did not come Yes he still lacks the Onball creation juice on the perimeter that he always has still needs to be set up in certain ways

and the you know without Garland there the offensive system kind of collapsed around him made his self creation more important his development didn't come along with that Donovan Mitchell was already having an up and down playoff series was already looking like maybe just like 10% less juice in those legs, which makes a big difference for a small guard that relies on scoring. Doesn't look healthy in this next series.

Like what we're talking about. He keeps saying he's healthy. Clearly is not. So when you're already up and down, then you are dealing with something that happened in game one, those guys just weren't good enough. And that's more than take away to me, honestly. I'm laughing at the James Hardin stuff. James Hardin's 36.

Whatever. Like, I didn't expect anything from him as far as leading them and being some huge addition with big moments. He was going to be the point guard, do enough secondary ball handling, etc. But the fact that he had to be so important and that Donald Mitchell was so to disappointing in many playstyle ways that Evan Mobley is still Edomobly, which I've long accepted, but you know it is plain element of why this team didn't continue to build off of last year. The whole thing is faulty to the top of bottom, not just hard.

I honestly think like when it comes to the whole Evan Mobley thing, this is easily, I think this is probably like the best opportunity. This was the best opportunity for him, the entirety of his career to really show like the leap and go into the next step of his career, which is show the world why you could, you look like a top, I don't know, 20, 25 player. in the entire NBA and why is in the playoffs do the normal thing that we used to do the thing that we saw scardy barnes in your draft class do in the first round which is coming to the series play up to the standards and he didn't he didn't do that and instead he's played down pretty much it feels like

outside of defense because he's always going to be like top of his class when it comes to that but offensively like he just wasn't there at all and that leads me to be like yo at once once this playoff stuff is over i'm no longer prioritizing or treating you so kindly anymore when it comes to giving you the right grace and giving you all the places in the world and treating you like my franchise player. That's just wraps. Yeah, I think that the last part you said is the key part. Treating him like he has to be your like clean cut franchise player that's like you mentioned, don't do they can't move him. You can move him. Yeah. But I, but I do think above all else. I don't, I've been saying this all year, right? And my talk, my idea isn't like,

we need to shit on Evan Mobley and say how dare you not make this leap. I think we just need to be rational and say this is just a big man that's not going to be a creator ever. And it would be nice if he had built off last year and became a top 10 player in the world, like we knew he had possible with that frame, with that defensive body and everything we know that the ceiling has defensively and with the shooting leaf made last year, it would have been nice if he could have built off that. He never will. So it is what it is. He is a lower level all-star, not going to be there every single year. It's still going to be a great defensive player and still sneaking to some all-MBA teams throughout his career if the team is right, but isn't some future top-tend

player that we had to completely say is untouchable. Yeah, I think two of the, two of the core five for the calves are going to be gone. So like, and in, in five, uh, I'm, I'm including, uh, Kenny Atkinson in this. Um, because I do, I do think that like, kind of the coach. I liked it. Yeah. Because I, I'm, I'm with you. I think the, the, he will get lost into the sun.

100%. Um, and. But he, but launching to the sun and analytically he want first. two of the three first games which and we do we do have we do have to talk about what is he talking about he said they won the shot quality battle and he is right there he is he is he is right and there is something to it and like we've seen a we've seen a couple times like the the the a couple coaches point to point two point two shot quality and and that that specific analytic can be like listen our process was good so he is he is onto something there he's also like he's also a little bit

off because I don't think he understands that nobody gives a damn thing. Also the phrasing he chose to use. If he said what JJ Redick said, he said, we won the shot quality battle. There's not going in. We have to make shots better. That's a good statement to make.

Saying our process is good. We're not making shots. All we can do is trying to make them more. Him saying analytically we want is not going to go well with the audience. They're not going to enjoy that specific phrasing. Not only they lost me, it feels like you lost the locker room. At least you lost your team towards the last, like,

what, five minutes that I got damn being, bro. That's also like what leads me to believe. They quit. that they cannot, he cannot come back to this team and everyone has reached their peak. Congratulations, the Cleveland Cavalries. You had a very successful era. You won 60 games last year.

You went ahead and you made the Eastern Conference finals for the first time since you had LeBron James on this goddamn team, bro. Congrats. You hit your ceiling and that's something that a lot of teams don't do. Wash your hands clean, restart, and do things the right way again. Yeah, it's not for D-Mich to get demoted

to an elite second option, I think. For sure. It's about that time. And demotions, everyone's getting demoted all across the board. I agree. Yeah. And I don't know. I'm seeing a lot of people kind of do like career retrospectives on D.

Mitch. And a lot of time I think it's unfair when people are like, I've been saying for years, he never was as good. That general sentiment happens a lot when somebody starts to lose. And I'm trying to wonder if it's true with D Mitch. I'm trying to like battle my own biases. I'm like, did he overrate him? He's always been this bad off ball.

And there's always been like a got to get hot shooting. Doesn't exactly do a ton off ball. Isn't giving insane passing value and all this stuff. I'm like, I do remember feeling how I felt in 24 when he was such a great score and he was, I feel like he was passing a leading offense better than this. So I'm not going to quite go there

and say like he was never better than Kyrie's the second best cast player, stuff like that that people were saying. But it does feel like maybe there was some holes in this game that we let go and let skate by that we wouldn't let for other players because of scoring was so good and when the buckets are going in,

all things are equal in terms of your weaknesses. There is some real soul searching to do on what type of value does de match bring. I think, but that's the, that's where I do think, like, you're right in that it's unfair. It's like, whenever people were talking about his flaws and they're like, oh, but if the buckets were going in, at the time, the buckets were going in. Yeah, but were they always.

Do we look past when they weren't, is my question. I mean, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I'm saying, but, like, I think, D. Mitch, it's not like five years ago. We were saying D. Mitch was top 10 for sure, right? We were, we obviously were high on, on D. Mitch, and there was a moment where, like, the Knicks could got him and even then like i think i think even in in that moment especially after they they got brunson i think the the conversation around dmitch was very perfect around where his standing was where everybody understood he is super talented he's an amazing score he could do some playmaking stuff but

is he is he the guy that you actually should go all in for and so you've always been right on on that line yep and he's good enough to where like the calves and where and where they were in their development, it made sense for them to do it. The Knicks at the time, probably, it probably like made sense, but also they wouldn't have had any other asset to go out and make other moves. So that was the difference. So if we're going to look at DeMitch and say, for the last three years, he's been a top 15 player, whatever, then there's certain teams where top 15 players, that's better

than what you have. And there's other teams where it doesn't, it doesn't matter. Yeah. And that's the main thing I think is. I don't know what the answer is. I'm just, so I agree with you in general. I'm not going to overreact and be like, he's always a bum. but there is some element that his game is going to be interesting for me to think about

and think about like how to value certain skills. It's all I'm saying is there's a lot to think about with him to summer and like when we get into if he does get traded, if they do blow it up, what type of teams you want to see him go to and like what type of needles he does move for different types of teams, he'll be an interesting player. And what that means is it's a big summer for him, obviously. To have his value beat the all time low and have people questioning things when I think I was pretty fucking high on DeMitch two years ago.

And even I'm like, hey man, was I tripping? I don't really know. I got to figure it out myself. Was that tripping? Big summer for him. Big summer for him is what we're saying. Yeah, for sure. Big summer for him and big summer for whatever team does decide to cash in some chips.

And like, after seeing what happened in Utah and how they just failed and really did like disappoint, rather than their expectations. Same thing for the Cleveland Cavaliers. Well, I don't know if we could say like they disappointed about how they failed out was a major disappointment. The process within that terrible. Yeah. If you're a GM, you have to have like the pretty much perfect team construction.

in order to really fully believe in DeMitch and want to say like DeMitch is one of our guys. Heavy on one of our guys, not necessarily the guy to lead us to the part of the same. And the cab still could keep him and build around him in a new way. We're not to say it's guaranteed they move him, but they'll be thinking about it

the same way I've heard the team is when they ask, is he available? Zompro 12 says, what he learned in this series, LeBron James has cursed the cabs organization to never be a true contender without him. After last year, let's feel like a curse a little bit. Like, I feel like we're all going to forget.

just how fucking good they were last year in the regular season before the injuries kind of derailed them in the playoffs. They were incredible in the regular season last year. And it's a goddamn shame. They can't really build off that. Yeah. And I don't know if LeBron was the one

who set the curse. And maybe the 2016 championship like lifted the curse, whatever. But I mean, you guys are like, you're in Cleveland. Your owner's not amazing. Your owner had this had the crazy letter as soon as LeBron left.

If we're just going based off of like karma and like if this were a movie and like the the sin that made that actually made a curse, that letter probably still is holding some weight in like the spiritual balance. So what, Dan Gilbert's hell of the team when you never prosper? Probably. Come on. Tough. Nah, nah, nah, not. Not something billionaires like to hear. Nah, man.

Kobe Allman's in a good job over there. I think obviously like when it comes to the Darius Garland trade and what happened for Hardin, I think the process will hurt a lot more when it comes how they failed compared to like the actual thought process of. when it happened at that moment in time. But yeah, I'm going to go as far as to say cursed. Are they giving them most success they had? This is the most success they had. This off season? Yeah, I guess I can use it fully into that

because by the time the next episode comes, they'll already be eliminated and we'll be off that, I guess. So what are they going to do? We talk about things they can do. They could trade dematch. They could do this and that. What will they do? I think they have,

you can't trade for James Hardin and then let him walk immediately. That would mean you gave up Darius Garland for half of a season of old James Hardin. Maybe it's a sunk cost. That's a sunk cost you can't let happen, though. But you have to keep him around.

And even if it's to trade him next year and get something in return, letting you walk for nothing would be disastrous. Unless you wanted to like, let him walk and give LeBron James money. That would be the only thing that makes sense. And then that wouldn't even make that much sense. Because if I want,

if I'm the Cavend's, I want LeBron James, I'm signing James Hardin and begging LeBron to take something really cheap to come with him. I'm not replacing him one for one. You're not getting anywhere with that. They're in such a bad... That's so crazy. They're in such a bad sentence, right?

You're not getting anywhere. I'm just insane because like it was only a couple years ago when we were talking about the Cavs having one of the best young cores in the league. And now there's all of a sudden banking on a 42-year-old LeBron James to save their franchise. Or 37-year-old James Hardin or the combination of both. I didn't want to ask you. Do you all think they would have been in a better situation if they just believed in Darius Garland, Evan Woblin and Jared Allen?

I think for the sake of their future, yes, I don't think they would get this far. So because Darius Garland has showed me exactly who he is time and time again. And the Cleveland Cavaliers were just sick and tired of it and wanted to get ahead of it. I don't like the process. And when he says always who he is, you mean injured. Yeah, injured. Injured. I think the process of what happens on the court is good still, no matter what.

And if he was healthy, they probably would make it this far. But I don't think they're going to make the focus. I think your question hinges on the fact that the question really is, did DeMitch accelerate the timeline too much and deprioritized Garland? And I think last year showed no. That last year we saw a version that DeMitch seeded a lot of those touches, do Garland in the regular season. And they were the best they ever been. So I don't think the idea of them getting Demich, like, stopped them for maximizing those other guys. It just didn't work out.

So I'm not going to chastised him too much for the demit's trade. Yeah, I think even like the Jared Allen conversation, I know I threw him in that young core. But I genuinely feel like Evan Mobley has been a five this whole time. And they should have developed. Like, for him to take an offensive leap, they got to give him and trust him to, you know, create. But they've never really given that opportunity. So kind of feel bad in that regard. And I think that's what you'll see the summer.

We're talking about what they're going to do. I do anticipate they'll trade Jared Allen and we will see Evan Moble at the five. Yeah. Which offensively, I think is what they need to do to maximize his scoring, give him space, let him be the role man. 100% agree. Defensively, he'll have to, you know, pull a couple little bit, get ready to bang around down low, do a little more of the big man stuff,

which he can't do. He plays five all the time, but doing it full time is a little different. So I do hope they do that, but also bring in another big to let him do some power forward stuff, which he's really good at defensively, being a good romer there.

But yeah, I think you're right. I think that's what they're going to have to do. If he's Donald, you always say, you want to him to score 20 points your game. It's all you'll accept from him. He's not doing that power forward. If you want to get your 20 foot good, he better be the five.

Don't have to, man. Listen, Like once you start, once you start giving people max contracts, once you start like, and once you have that first successful season where DeMitch comes in and then you do make the playoffs and then you look around and you're like, okay, are we, are we closer than what we thought we were going to be at this time? You do need people to start producing at a very, very high level. And like, especially if you're trading for a lot of these guys, obviously like they draft

Mowgli, but like they traded for Jared Allen. They traded for D. Mitch. you are giving up all of these assets, you are banking a lot on internal growth to be like the foundation. Like, yeah, you can go out and give somebody $10 million to come be, to come be a three, right?

You can make trades around the margin. You can go try and get a DeAndre Hunter or whatever it is. But the ceiling of your team really is going to come from can D. Mitch be the playoff riser. Can we get Evan Mobley to go up to another level and we look up and say,

oh, he legitimately is a top-told player in the world? You know what I think I want them to do? What is it? I think they need to trade Jared Allen, right? If LeBron wants to go there, I guess they should get LeBron. They could get LeBron and just keep the unit together. James Harden, DeMitch, LeBron, Mobley, another defender. That could be a pretty good team in some regard, right, depending on what you trade Jared Allen for?

Let's say they try him to Lakers. I joke about that because I always want that. It's probably somewhat realistic. Got a couple first-on picks for Jared Allen, trade those first-on picks for another starting good defender, whoever may be called Herb Jones or whatever. That version of a team could be good. even with Hardin and LeBron being old, I can see the vision there.

What if they do that and they trade DeMitch? And they have Hardin, LeBron, Mobley, and then whatever they get for DeMitch, which they can still get a lot of good stuff, I think. And I don't know if they're going to another star, I guess we'll talk about who's available and who would want DeMitch. But does that version of the two old ball handlers, Mobley, and then whether it be two quality starters

or another star in DeMitch's space, like, is that interesting? I have to see exactly what it looks like. On paper. What's the goal? What are you trying to do? That's all to fit. You're trying to, well, if you can contend next year

in the first version I made with LeBron and LeBron being this Swiss Army knife wing that can attack these matches, if that's saying that gets you over the edge, especially if LeBron comes like the minimum, then you contend. Is the title? Yes, you can contend.

If you LeBron comes and they keep everything they have, maybe trade Jared Allen and bring another primitive defender plus LeBron, that can make you contend to some degree. Well, they win, I don't know. Okay. That could, right? Other path, if you trade D. Mitch, too, and you bring in LeBron and trade Jared Allen,

I think it's like, we're still going to be a playoff team around Hardin and LeBron being old, But we're kind of repiviting. We know what this is. We're kind of entering the next era around Evan Mobley by whatever we trade D-Mitch for. I think I like that a lot more because. Trading D. Mitch, you like a lot more?

Yeah, because they don't, I like being respectable and retooling because they don't have any control of their picks for the next, like, what, three years or so from now or so, yeah, like three, four years. I think their picks reset in, like, 2030, based off of the whole Donovan-Mitcher trading and shit like that. And so I like the idea of being respectable and giving yourselves a punch of chance You're in and year out and being in prepping ever mobile and give them all the intention in the world Like try to be great D-Mitch for Kauai who says no unction in Cleveland You signed LeBron I can't go like that I'm sorry That's kind of filthy now is it reliable fuck no no

But it could be kind of cool You've seen the story too many times I'm tired I'm done with unctions me too I'm done with unctions But if I'm talking entertainment as a fan who doesn't go fuck about the cabs Harding, Kawhi, LeBron Mowgli is kind of cool. I think there has to be one unction in the league at all times. Yeah, we need unctions.

Is there an unction in the league right now? Warriors. Yeah. That don't. No accounts. Jimmy Butler. That shit so bad. Because it's an unction.

Because it's an unction and like they don't they don't work off. They don't work out like that. I think if we're if we're getting brown, I actually would not mind. I would keep DeMitch. Okay. We talked so much about

yeah, Demich just isn't like your number one guy. But if you are, if you are moving off of Evamobly and you're given, if you're moving off of Allen and you're giving Mobley the space to grow offensively and you're bringing in in LeBron, then I think that that is enough, other like offensive creativity to where DeMitch can, can be, he can scale down just enough to where you are not riding and dying with, can D. Mitch give me an efficient 32 tonight?

And if he does, then we win. If not, we're going to be in a dog fight. I think that's okay. I wouldn't want to, I wouldn't want to trade D. Mitch and do the unction. Slims Lugga 4-749. Learned the cavaliers as a team are playoff droppers. That's a funny phrasing. That's a team are droppers.

It is. They are, they're under 500 in the playoffs right now. Not analytically. Look at the numbers, Donovan. Come on. Look at the track. did an idiot. Yeah, I think

people have always said this is silly because LeBron's old. I do feel like the Jared Allen for LeBron's signing trade might be alive and well that is a Lakers fan. I might be able to have some hope for that to happen. Would you want that to happen? And the fuck yes. The best case scenario is signing trade LeBron. You just want to get rid of LeBron. He's been trying to trade Bronn for

like six months. I've been saying it's all year. The best case scenario is to get something for LeBron and not let him retire for nothing. LeBron for nothing would suck. You do the ungrateful, man. I don't think he was a retired. Game is the game. I mean, side of it. traded for a center that can be there long term.

That's the best case scenario. He's on a good contract. What that means is that happens. He good contracted in LeBron. What that would mean is LeBron blessed us, that he feels clean up for Lakers and wants to give him someone the way out. Because he could just be spiteful

and go to the Cleveland Cavaliers for the minimum and say I'm in a former super team with Jared. Or I can say I want some money and we got to sign a trade Jared out and give you something for me. We would be lucky to have that happen. It's just ungrateful. They don't deserve it.

He turning on his goat. But you know what? From a certain lens. I'm right. From a certain lens, I do kind of respect it because nobody's bigger than the program. Exactly. And that is how it should be. We got a lot of people that are just fans of players.

I do kind of get it. Listen. I love a bro. Game is the game. You are right there. Jared Al's 26 or 27, whatever he is. He can start long term. You kind of have to give it to him.

And as a LeBron James, he could be a team legend. If he can gift us Lucas franchise center for the next five years on the way out, it's the best thing for me. He would be a team legend compared to just leaving or just straight up. retire. Yes, if he just retires, I get nothing. Like, that would suck. I can't get with this.

The sign of trades are, it's always, it's always interesting, like, who comes back in the, in the sign of trades and what people get, because those, they get overlooked a lot. And then you look up two years later and it's like, oh, wow, I can't believe we got this piece. Getting Jared Allen would swinging the championship odds for the Lakers so much. She could give me Max Trues and something. Give me something. Losing LeBron for nothing would suck. They need rotation players at Lakers.

That's going to be a thing is building a whole rotation is going to be tough. Getting a rotation player or two for LeBron. is vital. Yeah. How do we get here talking about the linkers, man. We're going to hear it a lot

because they're going to be very, very linked to the Cavs for the next several months. But right, let's move over to the Western Conference finals. Game four, almost said three of O.KC for San Antonio just happened

and we get the first blow out of the series. AJ Mitchell, J-Dub, don't play. Spurs, late, belts. Dearen Fox said after game three in which they lost pretty handily

to the thunder, Greg Popovich came in the locker room and basically was like, what the fuck are y'all on? This is not how we play basketball. And that makes a lot of sense because they came out motivated, not ready to go down 3-1, knowing that would mean probably at the end of their season. They came out to exactly what they should do in a game in which the Thunder

or underman their second, third-best ball handler, completely laid belt for four straight quarters. Made Shee have an absolutely terrible game again. The second terrible game has had in four games of this series. Hoof! It's looking rough. She's shooting like 39% from the field this year. Some 30 from three. And the main reason that happened in this game is because they switch over the defensive

coverages. A lot of people were saying that they stopped double teaming Shea. That's a little oversimplication because people are saying, you stop getting doubles. Why aren't you getting buckets? They stopped double teaming him on picking rolls and above the arc right away because before they were doing that, get the ball to its hands immediately and say, She'll have no impact on his possession. He diced them up in game two and three doing that. Playmaking was incredible. In this game, they let him ISO, didn't double team him up top. But every time he drove and touched it inside the arc, then they sent late doubles. Which is actually the exact type of double teams that Shay struggles against. So fantastic adjustment by Mitch Johnson, changing the placements

the double teams making them come late on drives still gets you the same impact of doubling shay not let him get to the rim not get him get clean mid-range uppers off but doesn't make it so you get wide open threes every play fantastic adjustment adjustment they completely shackled she in this game stephan castle had him in a fucking straight jacket yeah yeah that alongside just throwing constant dunce here and there and just throwing like decisively indecisive double teams as well and then throwing this cut this type of coverage right when you know they don't have any great secondary graders and a j missiles out and indecisels out and indecisively indecisible and and J.Ws out too,

played perfectly into their hands. Forget double teams. He was triple teamed, man. Like, the gap help was very aggressive. Yeah, it was, it was insane. And there was so many turnovers where you have, you have three sets of hands all swiping for the ball, and he's turning the ball over a lot.

Like, he looks as frazzled as he can be. And they were like, for them, unless AJ Mitchell comes back, unless J.O. comes back. I don't, I don't know how it gets better for them, because like what is Salute shout out to him is Jeremy Kane going to come out here and like scored score 25 and just be you know

the greatest the greatest super stuff of all time because if that does if that doesn't happen I have I don't think they can they can win this series especially without those other two guys I won't go that far it is extremely hard you're right they need those two guys clearly like that's a main takeaway is coverages aside

if those two guys were there or even one of those guys probably the ability to sell it on Shays drive still that much will make it so much easier. The fact that Shea had to dribble the arrow out of the ball every single time because there wasn't a single other teammate that could dribble in any way he was uncomfortable. He had to just fight through it and try to do his best because there's no other

other other option other than you try to get it out the mud and try to adjust to this and he couldn't because he just got locked up. It would help a lot to have those guys. I do feel like we're due for some figuring it out on Shay's part. We see this a couple times in the last two runs kind of this year and last year where a new defensive adjustment comes around in the game one.

It was the harsh double teams that went be behind them. Now it's this form of the late double teams on drives. He does terrible. He has stinker's last playoffs for the same thing. He's not good at in-game adjustments at all. And that's a flaw of Shay, that his lows are quite low for a player of his all-time caliber. And when his lows happened, the whole team sinks with them because of the way the team is built around him offensively. Sucks.

That's just an unfortunate thing about his game that he has to develop over the years. But every single time he's had those games, he's figured it out the next game and come back in some regard. And on top of that, the three-point shooters of the OKC Thunder did just fall apart yesterday. Jay Will and McCain had plenty of good looks We're complete bricks Alex Russo disappeared I imagine that comes up At least somewhat in the next game

Mark Dagnol's also been good about figuring out how to get Open looks with defenses I think we're going to get at least one Adjust on the end and their end to make it a little bit less terrible I'm I'm very curious for Game 5 because I want to see If the first three games of the series Where the bench was going crazy

And they were like out there outscoring the starters If that was more of what we are going to see or if, you know, free trials up, we're not hitting threes anymore and then everybody is just going to be cloned. Probably in between, because that was happening because of double teams. Like, Shade did such a good job

of hitting those open shooters immediately. They had so many good looks. I imagine it's like a little balance now. Hopefully, because I just need them to get one more game. I want to see the series go seven. They will, I think. It'll at least go seven, I think. I'll at least.

I mean, like, I don't think so too. It'll at least be Spurs and seven. Spurs can still win. I think they'll win in seven if they do. After each one, of the losses and obviously this one feels different because it was like such a blowout loss and you are missing two guys but i've felt i felt the the worst about the thunder after after this one where i i actually feel a little bit of like worry for them if they can

if they can get it to seven or if they can win the series where even after games were where they won and and the spurs lost i'm still thought that like okay the spurs can have the opportunity like they're they're going to respond seeing seeing what i saw in the game four, that's where it's like the adjustments behind it. I get worried when the adjustments are like, all right, you're going to have to make some shots now. Just to just to relieve a little bit of the pressure and then we can start to get a little bit more tactical. But like even from the from the bench guys and from Shay, it's there, there is just a baseline level of we do have to hit shots. But to be fair, you get worried when the baseline adjustment is make more shots.

You're probably less worried when the people that's make more shots have made a lot of shots. You know, it's not like we're talking about bums having to shoot well. This, it's Shay go just Alexander. He's going to make more shots at some point. Presumably, unless he can't play like this and he just has a fucking disaster class, horrible outing from an all-time great player. That's clearly on the car with the way Stefan Castle was guarding him. I feel good. You said you're scared of it going, not going to seven. I think they'll have at least one good game in which they figure it all out with or without

AJ Mitchell. The biggest upside is those two guys aren't like cooked. They're both being reported as like day to day. Yeah. So I think it's reasonable to expect one of them back at some point. Yeah. I fully expect AJ at least to be back. I don't know about Zeta because that hamstring stuff is just scary. That's something I don't want to toy with the rest of his career and like derail what he has going on. It's only like 22, 23 years old.

That's scary. I don't know. What? It's toy with that career a little bit. It's a serious. It's the spurs. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. But I think going forward this next game for Shea, I do fully expect like an all time moment for him. And for someone who's been back-to-back MVP's won a championship last year, being clearly like the best guard in the NBA bare minimum for release last two. two years, even though it might have been the last three, maybe three and a half. And I think that- Four or five, you know what I mean?

Clippers, oh, Clippers Shea was the best guard. Klipper's sake, never get tired. Clipper Shee is crazy. Kentucky Guard, Shea was slept on. Yeah. I think so far, going back to the title of this show, this episode, the biggest thing I learned so far, four games in this series is that Chet Hongram has scored 45 points total. I think offensively, the whole Wembe's, so we had this whole big conversation,

and we sked towards me and all that. I don't get the fuck about it anymore. Don't care. He can't get buckets when Wemby's not on the court. That's the bigger issue. He's taking nine threes total throughout this entire series. There is, when A.J. Mitchell's out, when Zadab is out, and when you're relying on guys like, Alex Crusoe to be your second best offensive player between him, Jared McCain,

and then also Jalen Williams, who's been ball in his ass out, By all regards, that's great. What Chet is doing offensively is a massive blight and you need him more than ever right now to at least do something and he needs to find his offense alone at times. Easton Lame says Chet Holmgren becomes James Harden to playoffs and Wembe is around. That's what he's learned. And yeah, again, we talked about it last week where Donovan was saying that his big pivot for the series, his thing is like, is Chet going to figure it out?

And I was like, I'm not defending Chet, not a pivot to me because he's not going to figure it out. He's going to be terrible this entire series. I think it is what it is. When when Wemby's on the court, he cannot get to the rim, cannot do anything. He had a couple good putbacks. When Wembe jumped too early for a rebound

and Chet cleaned it up, that's what you got to hope for. Because when Chet has the ball and Wemby's on him, he will not do a single thing of merit. And I think that lack of rhythm kind of lends itself into spiraling the rest of your game

where he already has a bad three-point shot in terms of getting it off fast enough. It's always been slow. It's always been a problem for him. These primitive defenders on the spurs are fast as hell. You've got to get them up quickly

and he cannot. And that's the biggest point of his development for me is if he's going to be a real spacer to pick up for the fact that when an elite defender's in front of him he can't get to the rim, he needs to work on getting that jump shot faster this summer. Because the fact that Julian Champany can block her three, insane. That's the biggest flaw in his game by far. The Thunder, if you are a Thunder fan, you are going to tell yourself

and like the upside is Caruso is going to go back to shooting well. Check can get a couple threes. McCain can bounce back. A couple threes. He's hit three threes in four games. I think Chesh is going to be pumpkin. That's not. Against his first, he's a pumpkin.

That's what it is. That's all you're asking, though, is like, is whether whether they double Shea super, super high or they're sending the double late, if you're forcing the ball out of Shea's hands and there's mad traffic around him, there's going to be opportunities for Chet to get a shot off. And so he is, he is going to have some opportunities to get these threes off to get some shots off. You're going to, you need two of those shots to go down. And so that's, it's great. Just two shots.

But that's the predicament that we're in right now. And what's funny is that that game happened to the game he made all NBA. So people were like, look at this bum. It's actually takeaway. He's overrated. Can't argue with you right now. He's clearly not being capable of producing the same level against the top of send teams. But yeah, I'm just operating on the assumption that he will give you nothing against the spurs.

And that's just the reality until he develops his game further, whether it be the ability to slash against Wembee or to have that three point shot. So I'm looking towards, can Jeremy can get back to him those threes like you said? Can Mark Dagnol figure out ways to get Shade going without him? just slow, isolating, pounding the rock against Stefan Castle with no help at all. Can we get Shea moving off off-wall screens? It's tough when Stefan Castle is physically defending you, grabbing the shit out of you, not letting you move off ball,

playing good playoff defense. But Mark Jackson's got to figure it out a way to negate that a little bit, which again, salute to Stefan Castle, he's making that hell on Shea. He can't, she can't move a single step without Stefan Castle in his jersey. And for everything we talk about, Stefan Castle's up and downs offensively, the fact that he has energy to do that to Shea on defense and still dribble the ball offensively, insane. Right now he's able to do that a lot more.

that's the value of daren fox like seeing saffan castle as a secondary sometimes third primary um offensive ball handler is amazing you want him to strictly focus on being a hound on defense while also scoring and slashing when needed it's really it's not ugly hoops when he's the number one option offensively when he tries when he tries to steer the boat but it's not what you necessarily want because you know he's one of the best defenders in the world one of the best slashes at the Garpers isn't in the world and him only like scoring, what, 13 points. I felt like he dropped like 25 on, honestly, you know? Yeah, but every other point is he trying to dunk on somebody's head.

You feel everyone. It's loud. And that's why I think in game five, whoever the last man on the benches, you go, you go in there and you found out of Stefan Castle. You make him lose as cool the way that he wasn't in game three. Oh, he was. Yeah. Yeah, he was, he was spiraling.

But like you, you try to, like, you try to do the. oldest trick in the book of like young player we're gonna get in your head like that's that's something that that they have to do he was tweaking in game three we didn't talk about it afterwards yeah i was loving that happens when there's big things to talk about in the game but another game happened since then yeah imagine how different the tone would be we talked after game three yeah jeremy or jerry muaw 4-724 learn that castle is top 10 cool he's so tough come on man he's on that list i didn't know people wrote for stephan castle's coolness specifically like that get with the program i was not aware

catch up the narrative doesn't change in front of your eyes i was wrong he's at the old days top 10 cool y'all can't have that man if they if the spurs win the series and stephan castle is the shay stopper and he's the one who's just like overly physical and it's not is not being affected by any of the flopping or anything like that he is top five on a lot of people's list cool list yeah yeah because they hate shay so this guy's got embarrassed she he might be the coolest player in the world he's on a he's super trampoline he has a trampoline under him to to vaults up any like top ten cool another thing that I learned this series so far for the San Antonio Spurs is that along with me finding out that Stefan Castle is indeed top 10 cool you know the development of Stefan of

Devon Castle that's the devil devil Vessel has been fucking amazing bro he's easily proven to be a playoff riser in all regards seeing what he's been doing defensively of course he had that block against Chet a couple games ago and it feels like every night in and out night in and night out. He's hitting every single clutch three that's needed. He went from being, okay, he was like a top seven pick a couple years ago that he had to Martin Rosen on his team, stole some shit from his game and he played some similar to like, similar to like him. Then he reverted back to then that play style led to them getting victim when Minyama and the overall pick. That shit was really ugly. Revered back to okay, being this elite three and D player and now he's been

shooting the best that he's ever had. It's true though. He's he's phenomenal. He's a two He's a true, like, he's a true tier one talent. He's a lot of your level talent in seeing how he's just been morphed into his new role, not even like necessarily being a perfect 3-and-D player. He's a three-level score for real. And he still has that in his game still to this day. And we see that now. Everyone's got to be player forizer.

You can't just be good. Yeah. But yeah, he's been incredible in his role. Having that athleticism from your 3-D guys is so important. Like, he's just crazy. He's an insanely impactful offensive player and defensive. Boulder Feet says Devon Vassell is very underrated and is very important his first playoff run.

Mo agrees. Especially when Julian Champani is there and then you're six-grade of the year. He's good, too. My takeaway is early this season, I had them like six or seven seed because I said their wing group, what didn't excite me? And also, I just didn't know Webby was going to be the best of the player in the world. I didn't have a lot of faith in that wing group. Bacel's played the wing a lot, which again helps with Webby's behind you.

And Champany being so good and so reliable is like one of the biggest surprises in the year to me. I knew he was like interesting and good before this year. But like, I wasn't thinking about him being like a huge swing factor for one of the best teams in the league. Having both those guys figured out in this season has changed everything. I mean, Shapesian's been assed offensively. Sure, but he's...

Defensively, he's a body. He's been ass off of him. He's shooting 29% from the field and 19% from 3. He ain't... Updives me for the whole year. Not necessarily with these games, but for the whole year, like him, even when he's basing the flow well, rotating well on defense, like, he fits in there as a wing around all these guys.

And again, not every role player is going to show well in the series. You get very few shots. They're not going to go in all the time. But the role that he's played to make this rotation round out, I did not see either these guys coming before the season. Yeah. I think the Vesel thing is like shot, yeah, shout to him. Because on top of Champany playing, playing bad,

coming Johnson hasn't been good offensively either. I hate his game. So I hate his game. People are getting jokes off and be the worst six man ever. Well, so this is the worst series that he could ever play against an O.K. I've never liked this game. And this drive me crazy. He's so, dude's fucking halfback dive.

He's like, he's like another version of Lou Dort where they're just big and muscular. And it drives people crazy because it's like, damn, it's all you got. It's being muscular. And it's frustrating as hell. But yeah, above all else, we're talking about all these things, all these speaking factors. Shea has to make more shots.

And Shay is staring down the barrel of having the worst playoff series of his career because of it's up on Castle. And it wouldn't be surprising when we look back and we say, we saw what happened in the regular season. This team is perfectly equipped to defend you. We gave you credit and said,

you've shown us no reason to believe you can't figure it out. If he doesn't figure it out, okay, we're right in the regular season that the Sturras has your number. And that will be. what it will be that they are just a team that was built to destroy you, he has to come out and just make shots.

Again, Mark died will make life easier for him. His teammates come back and make life easier for him. Even with all that accounted for, he has to be so much better than he wasn't game for. Are we at the point where we have to reel back those uncomfortable conversations we wanted to have? Which ones? The Kobe conversation, the Curry conversation. The Curry conversation.

The Curry conversation is Jordan. Well, Jordan was always like a joke. Nobody actually said that. But as far as like if he wins this title, he'll be in the conversation with Curry with Kobe as like that tier of guards all time. Sure. But the conversation was always if he wins a title,

at least for us. It was always if he wins into the title and goes back to back, then he'll be in that. I'll just say then he didn't do it. And he couldn't get himself in those combos. And that'll be what it would be. It'll be on pause for sure.

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. If he plays like this, if he has three-word games like that and goes out shooting sub-40%, yeah, you're on suspension. Those upper mobility talks of all-time status

aren't there right now? Super tough. That is true. But that's just what it is. I don't even think that's, that's not, like, rewriting convos. It's just the convoy didn't go how you wanted to go. Some outcomes don't happen,

and you're not that guy right now. Yeah. It won't be over. It won't be like, I told you he could never get on a level. No, you can prove it again next year. It's not as fast as you might have.

And it's not like this is like a massive bite on his career too at all because it's like, you're out. No, you're out your second best player. And then on top of that, too, you're the guy who broke out this year and AJ Mitchell is literally not there.

It hasn't been fully there. Yeah, you're missing your other ball handlers. You're playing for the spurs as well. You're playing the greatest defender of all time. The greatest defender is all time across from you. Like, it won't be insane. It won't be like, to me it won't be as embarrassing as like Yoke's lost this year. But again, he'll get slander because he has to.

He's one of the best players in the world. You're going to get criticized. There's not a lot more embarrassing. Exactly. So it won't be like a 2011 braunt type thing. It'll be a loss and you're going to get criticized because all you've done is win. And here comes the other side of that. You hear some adversity.

But I won't be like, he's the sixth best player in the world now. I won't be crazy because it might be. that's another thing is that I said it last episode that one of the main takeaways after the first two games is we'll see how the rest of the series goes before we declare anything for sure but it does feel like that was a game game one that when he officially came best playing the world and it became not a conversation for the next 10 years I still kind of feel that way from the series even if the spurs lose I feel like the spurs can lose this series shake and go on to have an amazing finals beat the shit out of the nix can average 35 and 10 in the finals and beat the nix I'll still go into the summer saying there's a real argument in my head that webby is a regardless of the best player in the world. And that kind of shadows everything for me. Yeah. He hit the half court three. I was like, all right.

You got it. You got it. It just felt like it was going to go in, right? Yeah. When he shot out, I'm like, oh, that's going in. Yeah. Yeah. And he had like three dudes around him.

Now they weren't probably contesting her, but still, like, what do you do about it? You can't really do much. Yeah. So that would be more the story to me. Obviously, Shea is Osama bin Laden in NBA fans' head right now. So when they lose, he will be burned at the stake on NBA Twitter. Yeah. But the story to me more would be, like,

The Spurs are perfectly equipped to defend him. Tomah Castle is an amazing defender. They didn't have the injuries at the Thunder had in the end of this. Man, what he's just that guy? You are so right. She is, for whatever reason, for NBA Twitter, the most wanted man in all of America. It's crazy. And another thing that I learned is that, bro, I didn't know that, like, there could be so many babies in the goddamn internet.

When it comes to the whole Shay and OKC conversation, bro, I understand it. I get it. Like, I once was that, too, when it comes to having to have. eras of players that you fucking hate and teams that you fucking hate. I was that when it comes to Golden State, bro. I told you that song, that stuff courte this yesterday. Brom that great memories. I ain't a lie.

Bang that out in the car. But what's happening now and how everyone's reverting their attention to how shameless, which is very fair. OKC's, OKC can be when it comes to about baiting and yada, yada, yada, yada. I learned that deal with the babies that we have on it. They're louder than ever. It's crazy. Yeah.

I just, I just like, I just stop talking about it. I'm like, it is what it is. Like it's so, it'll get real woke If I start talking about it, we're like, we get into the way the misinformation era works in the NBA and on the internet and how things, like gambling companies

come out here and amplify these things. We can get into a whole conversation about it. Yeah, people don't rock with them. Well, better yet to have the conversation on a conversation platform. It's a conversation I'm tired of. I'm just sick of it. Like, on one hand,

the best teams get hated on, like people hate Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs. It comes to the territory of sports. It's why we like sports. It's a root for it. Nothing wrong with it. But the way that behavior has been amplified.

by certain platforms and certain behaviors online. It's definitely strange but whatever. At the end of the day, people don't rock with him like he doesn't have the fans to allow us to happen in the first place. So here's what it is. Yeah. Bro, they were counting false. Yeah. Underdog is posting AI. All these companies are posting

AI memes of him and stuff like these big companies amplifying the hate like it's just weird. So now for that, listen, Breton twice is that the goal. So I'm gonna take it. I'm gonna take it and run with it. I would take that in defense. and defend Brunson's honor. You're lucky, man.

Yeah. But in the day, too, if She just had more playoff moments and did the crazy moments of like good to outweigh the bad, this wouldn't be here. So there's natural reasons people don't like him too

compared to like a Luca who comes out here and drops 40 and screams and go by his face and all this stuff. Yeah. She's won with a team nobody likes without crazy individual moments with a play style

that isn't curry in that regard. So to make up for that, he would have had to have those individual moments. So it makes sense that he's not like adored right now. But yeah, it's certainly amplified in nefarious ways.

Is that it? Is that all it takes? Do you just have to scream and go Bear's face? Yes. Yes, that's all it takes. And to make up for this. There's certain things people won't like. People look passive with Brunson.

Who's the most hated person right now that Shay can scream in their face? Wemby. If she drops out 40 and, like, gets a bucket over Wemby and yells in his face, shit's going to change overnight. Not entirely. It won't all erase. If he drops 40 in a game seven and yells in Wemby's face, something that like you can imagine that's like a Luca thing to do,

things would change a little bit at least. Underrated answer, Chet. He yells at. his face. He needs to. This might be a little bit different. He was seeing that press conference yesterday.

He started to get it up a little bit. Oh, they asked him. Yeah. Yeah, they asked him what he can do to get Chet more involved. And he went, oh, hmm. For 12 seconds. Well, he really wanted to say, I don't know, man, Webby's back there.

He really wanted to be like, he doesn't got shit for Webby, but he can't say that because it kind of puts Chad down a little bit. That was the real answer is we can't do shit because he's in a block everything. He's got some interesting. He's had some interest in just like pressure moments because even after game, after game two, after they played Hartstein and they asked him at the end of the floor, they were like, oh, yeah, Hardstein was real big tonight. Like, you know, how was his impact? And he was like, oh, I don't even think he was that great real quick. We're talking about that.

Do you, what happened there? I don't know. I think he might have misheard him. I think he didn't understand the question. Or he was be sarcastic and making a joke and didn't come across well. I was confused. I think it was like a stale joke that he was like, yeah, yeah, no one's laughing right now. Let me, let me reel it back.

Yeah. because he was like, it was just weird. I'm not sure if it was good. And the tone wasn't like, it didn't feel quite joking to me. I could also see how like he just couldn't hear. Yeah,

I think he might not hurt him. And also my third thought was maybe he didn't want to like give them like bulletboard material and be like yeah, he locked up Wemby, didn't want to motivate Wembe. He was thinking through all these things.

That was strange. I think it might, it might be more that he was just trying to make a joke and it didn't land well because even like, if you don't hear somebody, then you're just going to be

like, yeah, teammates play great. Like, you know, you're just going to hit the default answer. And then not giving them bulletin board, I think you can still say, yeah, he had a good impact without saying that. So he probably was trying to make a joke, but it was, it was just weird. Yeah, the limit was terrible. It was a joke. It was strange.

So a lot of people were like, oh, yeah, he knows the same of shit that Isaiah Hansstein did the Wembe, man. And he saw, brother. He saw them guys supposed to fall in Castle's hair. Yeah, all right. Yeah. This guy's trying to get it off on SGA, though. What do you say?

One guy, 277 says, we've all been saying it. SGA was solid defense and without the refs to back him up. He falls outside of top 30 comments. Anyway, get this off my screen. Yeah, J-dub's not there. The next three comments are about SGA is kind of funny. That's hilarious. Yeah, he's not playing well right now.

So, again, if he goes out like this, they'll have plenty of ammo for the whole summer to hate on him. Two bad games, two good games so far. And the good games weren't even great. So he's certainly not playing best in the world caliber right now. They've been waiting for this moment. You're right. And we can understand why. He's playing Wemby.

He's playing without a certain people. But at the day, all context goes away when you're the best in the world. You've got to earn that title. Yeah. Make more shots. And everybody has a varsity to get to these titles. Your first one was easy. All things considered.

Like, they went down on some series, but they didn't win because he came out and was insane. They won with team basketball. He played his part, being the best player and so forth. There hasn't been a time where this chips are so stacked against him, assuming J. Dubbin, AJ don't come back and assuming this defense continues at this level where he has to just go out and be a legendary player. This is your first opportunity to do that. Yeah. If Alex Truzzo or Jared McCain is not like going off for 25, I need to say, I need to see Shea at least go for 35, 38.

Yeah. And I'm, you know, either way, we're not going to get up here and be like, told me he was a fraud. But I will say that like, it'll make it pretty clear why Wemby's the best player in the world to me. Why that's not, why that's the separator to them that Wemby doesn't have the floor that Shea does. Just because even if Wemby's getting locked up, he's Rudy Gober on the other side. and that gives him such an immense value and he's getting locked up, he's pacing the floor,

being cat on the other side. Like, the floor of Wembe is just a different level than Shea, than Yokish, than Luka, than Janus. Yeah,

I think to put a bow on this, for me personally, I learned that there is a growing margin when it comes to Wembe and the rest of the world in terms of talent right now. Like he is so clearly

and there's, I haven't felt like this, maybe I guess you can say since like prime Yokish, whatever, which is a couple years ago or you can even or you're now or whatever but i haven't felt that size that sizable gap and noticeable margin between

wemby and everyone else in the league defense is crazy when he gets when he's able to get into position and be a bruiser in the pain or stretch out the floor here and there and him being this good right now is so insane because i still feel like there's so many things are a couple of things in his offensive game that's just incomplete doesn't necessarily have a go-to move maybe he'll never need that because of how unique he is offensively and how he gets all these offensive rebound rebounds and all that. Like there's, there's so much to him to unpack.

But even now. He has a good to move, though. What is it? He intentionally misses and catches the rebound. Like, he's, he's doing that so much and you can't, you can't box out on that. You can do shit about that, bro.

That's what's awful. Yeah, exactly. So, like, that's, that's, because he did it, he did, I think, minimum twice yesterday. He did it a bunch of times in game three. And so it's something that, like, you can see him figure it out in real time. Like, bro, let, I'm, I'm just do this.

Like, you can't do anything. So I, I, I, I see things inside the paint, that is his signature movie. Volleyball is a go-to move. That's crazy. That used to be a career-defining play on some people's eye roll. And I was just a go-to. That's crazy.

I saw him try to pull a Dirk fade yesterday too. I'm like, man, they already can't guard you, man. Now he's sticking out a whole leg. Come on. That's ridiculous. And those threes, clutch three, like. Yeah. He's ridiculous, man.

Yeah, he's different. The gaps is giving you bigger and bigger as time goes on. It's crazy. And the fact that, like, he can rise at the level in year three. And I was thinking about it, I think I said in the group chat, this would be like if the Cavs drafted

with LeBron, the next year they drafted at Godawa, and the next year they drafted Chris Paul. That's what it's like with the Spurs getting Webby Castle CP3 in terms of draft placements. Yeah, LeBron would be contending to

year three. Like, it's crazy that they have this team around him so good, so fast. This is what every team wants to do, but also not every team gets top three picks like three out of four years. And hits them too. Three years in a row.

Yeah, three years in a row. Yeah. Shout to them. It's funny seeing LeBron fans start these like Jordan arguments. Yeah. Wembe's trying to test them. I seen the tweet other day saying they're comparing LeBron and Wembe. LeBron fan goes, man, if LeBron had this facing, he'd be averaging 40.

They're probably right. They're probably right. They're probably right. And LeBron didn't get those teammates early on? Is what it is. History of members wins. Wembe is going to be up there pretty soon. Game for two.

I'll be very happy with you with the channel. B. I went to win this first championship of year three over the Knicks. Glorious storyline. Glorious storyline. We need that to be so bad. Another all-time center

just putting the Knicks out. We need that so bad. Those pictures got to be framed. And I hope it's a crazy series. I hope it goes to game seven. I hope it's a beautiful. Blades of glory finish. Timothy Shalameen the back crying.

Yes. Give me his dear. We were talking about for Michael B was better. The first couple years of this show go bye, go bye, go bye. But the first few years they show, we talked about how it kind of felt like we were in an era between superstars as far as like marketability and like face of the league guys go. And we, we were saying that.

We knew Wembe was coming. Here we are. He's here. Like that's type of moments. Like it's time. Yeah. Yeah. We need, we need either O KC to step up or like have the have Wembe and this person this be like the start of something of something.

And even if they're going like like alternating chips or something like that, that is something very, very good. It would also be a cool storyline if OKC just gets, they lose the spurs and the spurs rattle off, like beating them several years in a row. And OKC becomes the dynasty that never was because the greatest player of the last 40 years comes into the league. That would be pretty cool. No, that would be. That'd be pretty cool. No, it wouldn't be because Sam Presto would say, fuck it, man, time to roll up the sleeves up little these pigs. Camerianian.

So be it. Yeah, no. And we still wins that what? I don't know. I don't know. That's a lot. But it would be the dynasty stopper. It would be a pretty cool storyline.

Yeah. I did want to bring this up. Joshua Choi 0207 says J-dub injury concerns are growing. It might be a factor for the upcoming years. How do y'all feel about J-dub's injury right now? Sucks, right? I mean, I don't know how to actually have a conversation amongst like, is it going to be long-term?

It's a recurring hamstring. It makes sense that it's long-term within a year that happens, right? I feel like he definitely has a high end of like multiple reaggravations. It's pretty crazy. Last year it was a wrist that is two years with two different injuries that sidelined him. I always struggle when people call people injury prone when it's like completely unrelated things where I'm like, I mean, does he just have like a soft body?

I guess it happens sometimes with people that are built like that. I don't know for sure though if I can say that about J-dub or if he's just having an unlucky 18 months. I think like obviously he needed surgery on the wrist. He played through it, you know? So I think and for a lot of guys, if you can play through it, especially in the playoffs

and at this point you will try. So I'm looking at the, this like injury concern that's really just this year. Yeah. Because he was able to, to play through it. Still drop 40 in a finals game last year. Like, yeah. I'm not, I'm not going to look at this and say, oh, he's jeopardizing it.

They got a ring and largely because of him. And my thing with injury concerns usually is I'll say that like somebody's cooked and we need to consider this long term. If it's a type of injury that's like recurring and impact your abilities, like like knee injuries. If you hurt your knee multiple times, usually your bursts isn't the same. Stuff like that. If you've broken your ankle.

twice in a row you probably can get off like you used to two torn ACLs, stuff like that that we can kind of track to saying you'll be materially impacted. I don't know that these hamstrings are that yet. Yeah, I mean, it could be that, but I hope it's not. But if it's one of those

things where it's like, okay, he has like, I agree with you. If he had like ankle things going on consistently similar to Curry and other players, Bradley Wheel or whatever you want to think of right now, then yeah, I'd be like, oh shit, the energy pool and stuff is like constantly looming in your head, but not. I don't think I have those concerns yet at all.

These are just random things that are just literally the definition of unfortunate. Yeah. But we'll see, though, because if Sam Precii disagrees to the point of this tweet, J-Dub's not above being back-doors. Yeah. If it comes to that point, I don't think it will. Certainly want this summer. If the next year happens and he continues to get injured, yeah.

I'm about saying, another year of this, that's a different conversation. Right now, there's still, like, benefit of the doubt, but another year is crazy. Yeah, but it's another year because that would be the type of thing that you say derailed the dynasty. Yeah. that we could have three peted if jada wasn't always hurt yeah time we'll tell and that is everything we learned from the two playoff series going on right now let's transition over to talk about the news of the week starting with all-n-bba teams have been released and not everybody's happy about these all-m-b-a teams not everybody's happy at all-mcluding players lots of players have things to

say about these all-mbba teams be sold who was on the first team second team and third team all right so let's start off with the all-mbba teams they release both all-defensive teams and the all-M-B-A teams. But first team, this is all-M-B-A. SGA, Yokic, Wembe, Luca, Cade. Okay. Second team. Fares.

Jalen Brown. Kaui Leonard, KD, Jalen Brunson, Donovan Mitchell. Understandable. Third team, Tyrese Maxie, Jamal Murray, Jalen Johnson, Jalen Duren, and Chad Homegroom. Interesting. Kind of like what we had when we did ours. Actually, I think I left off Jalen Johnson personally. Yeah, I didn't put Jailen Johnson.

I wasn't going to do that. But we had Jailen Dern. our ideal say for myself. I had Jaylen Duren when we thought Kate wasn't going to be on there because of the injury things. So the fact that Jayland Dern is still there when Kate was allowed, it's surprising and know who's left off. One Scotty Barnes. Yeah, that's that stuff. That's the biggest conversation here in my mind.

I saw a couple like, oh, no LeBron things, but that doesn't really matter to me at all. I would. You know? But yeah, no Scotty Barnes, him being left off of both teams feel so damning because the Raptors did, genuinely play up to expectations and maybe like went a little bit further than that considering how they went out in the playoffs but obviously that doesn't really factor into this voting right here but they were solid this year scottie barns genuinely got better this year and specifically as a defender like made himself so he was easily like one of the four or five best defenders

in the entire world for entire caliber year and meanwhile like keeping up the same level of offensive of production that he was that that was apparent last year too and that's wildly impressive so that's like it's a same that that the NBA at least historic book wise history book wise will make this like a forgotten the season this is how scotty barnes reacted to the news yeah fair i mean i'm not gonna say it's insane i mean jland urn had a great year best team in the conference it's not crazy i'm sure also the idea that a lot of the voters thought k wasn't going to be there so they started planning on voting for Jalen Duren because they're like you know the typical Pistons Need a Player thing and when K. Cunningham got added back they just threw Ked Cottingham

to their first team didn't necessarily say I got to remove Jailand Duren because they've already put it in their heads that he's the 13 guy so it all tracks it's not some atrocity but I definitely would have put Scotty Barnes in there I think yeah yeah shot to Jalick Johnson yeah so Lutton hey Johnson yeah shout to Jalen Duren bag is on your way bag has been unlocked and he's gonna want it yeah what's gonna happen do you think it's real that he'll want more money and the pistons are one to give him and they'll move him? Maybe. Because I don't see any scenario where you

unlock this ability to get this money and you're like, no, I'm okay. The Lakers offer him $40 million a year, which a lot of people theorize and need a center. I don't want them to be able to all, so just know I'm not saying this from a fandom perspective. But if they did that, give him a $40 million offer sheet, four year 160. Do the Pistons match? Four years 160? I think they do.

It's tough. I think they do match just because what else are you going to do? Sign and trade them. Say, okay, you can have Malikers give us a couple picks. Yeah, like I think two things, two ways to go about this. For one, I think if you do something like this, this could easy, like, put a strangle on your team financially and really like cap out all the different types of moves that you can make. But luckily, the business haven't made literally any moves and they still have all their draft picks.

So I think even if they do give gender in any type of money like that, You can figure out a way to get off of it in the future. So I think I would probably be inclined to give him that. But I'd be very weary and I would like be planning actively a second move behind him. Yeah, 40's not that crazy. People act like 40 is 40, 10 years ago. They don't have another 40 million dollar person outside of Cade. They can afford it.

You can have two and be fine. Yeah. It would limit you from getting like a third star. Like maybe it makes a Kyrie Irving trade more difficult. You can afford all three of them, but then you're going to have a very small amount money to go around after that. But I agree. I don't think you can let him walk. I guess you can sign and trade and get some assets for him,

but you've got to have a plan in place to replace him and, like, do something with those assets. That's tougher than you would think. Like, that's not some easy pivot to make. I do think the Bulls are going to try to give him a bag, though. Yeah, I think, I guess definitely see the Lakers doing that. I think a lot of teams can position themselves to give them a bag. Do the Bulls offer 45 a year?

They could. I mean, they have like a, they have, they're one of their teams with most cast spaces this year. It's them, Lakers, and then the Nets. Yeah, if I'm the Bulls, you have no centers on this team at all. You have a new GM who wants to be all about physicality. I think they're the teams that are primed even like insane. Four year, 45 million.

Do you turn that down for the Pistons? If you have to keep them, I think. Okay, no matter what. If it's like 55, if they try to max someone or give him some insane number over that, then. Well, the good thing is that no other team can offer him the same like all NBA. Yeah. Accelerator that they can. So it's either we're going to have a standoff because you want 55 and we're telling you to shut up.

or you're going to take this offer sheet from another team that we can match pretty feasibly. Bro, he's going to bid war himself into a max contract. I can already see it. He, I don't think he should get a max just because the playoffs was just so bad. Yeah, terrible time for him. And it was real too.

It wasn't just he performed poorly. Real flaws and lack of development were there that are like perfectly traceable to who we knew you were before this year. It's perfectly reasonable to think that you just weren't quite as good as regular season said. Yeah. But what him and his camp is going to say is, you know, obviously I'm still growing.

I'm still a super young player. For the last two years, I've been improving and I've improved to this level. There's obviously more for me to grow as as a player. I deserve this money because any other of the young players in the league that are growing who haven't accomplished what I accomplished getting on the all NBA team, they're getting their bread. So I deserve to get my bread. And I think I agree with that. I think like if I'm a Bulls fan or a Lakers fan, I guess, if you're going to throw him

that money 40 million a year and hope that they sign and trade him, I wouldn't be like entirely against it because there is the avenues for him to get better. Like that wasn't the final form of him. That wasn't something we could say he can never overcome because of physical limitations. Like he'll surely improve off of that experience, I think. In some way, I don't know if he'll ever completely fix all those flaws. He'll surely get better because of it, I think. He should. He needs to. Yeah, at least a little bit. Will it be enough? Who knows? But he'll get better at least somewhat. It's just tough for the positions because if you give him that, if you give him this contract and he does not improve to where he is not a liability in the playoffs,

you're stuck. Yep. And like, I don't know how many years that you can go with, we're going to, like, you know, we're going to lock everybody up. Kate is going to be the only guy who's really, you know, creating like that offensively. You used to have a lot of other questions on the rest of your roster with like Asar and his jump shot. who else is is going to develop offensively.

Like there's there's a there should be like a healthy panic for the for the for the pistons this year. Yeah. Are you stuck though? Like do we think Jalen Gern doesn't get to a point where he's a bad contract? You can't move like even if he doesn't really improve and I say he has another lacklesser playoff series like you could probably still move him. Like I think there will always be a team that wants an athletic center even with his flaws.

So I don't know if I feel like the downside is as bad as people are making it seem. People want to jump to the This is how you destroy a window thing I don't know if that downside is truly there Because when that happens I think you have a third guy It's already expensive If they had Cade plus Kyrie already making $40 million Like just to use the name as an example

Or Jayne Ivy was good And they already paid him right If they had two expensive guards Then paying a third guy can get dicey Just paying a second guy Even if it doesn't work out I feel like you'll be able to move him Like what has to happen for Jalen Dern

To become an unmovable contract in two years Probably another playoff run Like he had this year But I think Would that even do it, though? I don't know. I don't think so. I don't think so.

Yeah, I think it's similar to a situation that I'm thinking about this that feels somewhat similar, but the prisons are in a better situation because they don't have three guys who they can pay like max money at all. There's no one who's good enough for that. Jindor is the second guy who deserves somewhat of that money. The Memphis Grizzlies a couple years ago that they, you know, they went, they went through the rigor of giving job max money, Jaron Jackson Jr. max money. Desmond Bain Max money and their team is as good as it can be.

And then once they found out, oh shit, these guys really don't really aren't really, they really in dissent to lead us to deep playoff fronts at all. Yeah, okay, cool. Ship some shit off. The Pinsons don't have to do that at all. They're only giving guys two guys max level money and Kade and then you're seeing whatever Duren's worth. They're more flexible. I'm saying this more so for their, for their overall like window, which is we are,

we are going to go all in and we're going to give, we're going to give during this money. and if he performs like that again in the playoffs, that's another year of your window that's gone. And then you have to pivot and completely rearrange your team. And so whenever teams make a lot of these big trades, it like, it takes time. And so like even the wolves and the first trade to go get Rudy, it took them some time.

Last year, you can look back at the Knicks and the trade for Kat and say, you know, that was a tips thing. But you did need like a year to figure these things out. So I'm going to postpone that a lot. There's a world where if he doesn't take a step forward, we might be three years away from the Pistons. And again, they could be a very solid regular season team. But in terms of figuring things out and other teams retooling

and doing all this stuff, we could be three years away from the Pistons actually getting to a spot where we feel confident about them as contenders if he doesn't elevate. So that's where it's tricky. Yeah. Definitely an interesting choice coming up. Other reaction to the all-N-B-A teams, our favorite Twitch streamer.

That's something to say. Yes. Jalen Brown has some words. After making the second team, All-MBA, he says, can pull up the other one I sent you, the tweet with the full quote. Yeah, yeah.

I sent the chat. He basically said, I didn't get first team. He's what it is. You know, I use my platform in ways. I say things that are controversial, so I'm not surprised they don't vote for me

because I like to do things my own way and be a little controversial. It's a phrasing he said. He said it was politics. He said it was politics. Here it is. Jalen Brown on making all-embae's second team.

I'm not surprised. I'm aware of certain things. Who I am. How he's my platform. I'm not the most liked player in the media at times. At times, I'm not the most liked by the fans. Some of the things I say and do are a little controversial. This is hilarious to me.

Yeah, like the streams are the reason why he's a second team all-N-B-A? Oh, no. You have the six most all-M-A votes in the NBA. You're a martyr. Do you know how much glaze people on TV were doing from the media all years? year. Almost made first team too. Almost made first team.

He's not the sixth best player in the war. That's perfectly acceptable amount of votes. He is not some, he's not Kyrie. He's talking like, he thinks he's Kerry Rubbering and he has half the world against him for things he said. Come on, man. I don't know. I mean, I feel like even, even at the time, like, before we knew that Cade was going to

get reinstated, like some people were even making the case that Jaylen Brown should make it over Cade. Yeah. And so, yeah, I don't. I don't agree with this. This is exactly why he's going to be traded this off season, bro. Like, this is the narratives he tells himself in his own head. He believes people don't want to see him up.

He believes he, as he, I guess you could say, it's fair for him to believe so that he should be at the top of the mantle in every single conversation. But you've had so much success where you are right now, playing behind Tatum and all that. And no one really is like, no one but him feels like he deserves way more than actually given already. Smart's playing the league, though. I don't think he's liked by NBA fans, but by the media, the mainstream media specifically,

and NBA players, he's actually one of the most loved players in the week. He has a lot of respect with him. And, like, yeah, I'll say that. One of the most respected, like, he gets his due, for sure. For sure. He's just a whole thing. Like, however any individual feels about him,

I don't know how much they think he should get, he is so far from underappreciated by the media. And so far from controversial, too. like obviously like the whole steven a smith shit is going on right now that's two fucking button heads but as a whole i i think this is hilarious hilarious response yeah he's hardly controversial for years for years people in boston were like if taiton played like you he'd be he'd be the goat like people were putting so much respect on his on his name so yeah i don't i don't think it's a it's a it's a it's a tv played like you you'd be the goat yeah i understand it man that's true if tiann't

had that thought process of like yeah I deserve every fucking thing in this goddamn world yeah yeah I just find it insane because the the only reason we are having these tatum brown debates is because you are loved by the media yeah he's a strange desire to be controversial like to be a guy that like is on the cutting edge and like does things his own way it's like different like for years he's a lot of quotes like that where he's like that's just me though and it's like not that crazy like you guys remember that starting five show every time he was on camera he was like oh they they highlighted about him doing his own shoe brand too

which was I rather like doing my my own way thing the way he talked about it you'd have thought he was on the front lines like he was leading a movement yeah what a guy? Funny guy man treasure yeah what a guy National treasure

not national I think the streams were kind of overhated once once he first did them stop Overhating, well, in the fact that him doing streams is overhated? Or the things he was saying was overhaided? Well, I think there's a bigger conversation about, like, NBA players having their own platforms. I am pro NBA players having their own platforms are really speaking their mind.

Yes, it gives us more particular to talk about. Yeah. That too. That too. So like, you know, it's kind of like a dame if you do, dame if you don't think we're like, if you do have a platform, I would like you to just speak your truth. Here's a thing. Instead of like sugar coding. You're like.

Damed if I don't implies he's damned if he doesn't stream. He is not damned if he doesn't stream. He's all right. No, no, he was getting cooked. He was getting cooked for not streaming. For the streaming thing aside, he was getting cooked at that time. Oh, you tell him it was like on the court. Yeah, on the court.

Sure, sure. You don't got to say anything about it. It's just that's being a player. Yeah. That's fair. That's fair. It comes and goes. Yeah.

All right, what's next on the stream on the dock for news today? All right. Next on the dock, we have LeBron James. Liking a cryptic post on Instagram. We are at that point in the season, man. He's doing a lot. I always love asking. the likes becoming news.

Yeah, LeBron James liked this post. A lot of discourse about likes right now. I think it's like, it's not nothing. But it's not big enough for me to say it's something now. And also it's not revealing anything. For the last two years, as we've been talking about, oh, is LeBron going to stay with the Lakers? Where should he go?

What's the number one place to everybody always says? He's going to go back home to Cleveland. So it's like, okay, cool. He liked this. He liked this picture. I imagine he was scrolling and his dumb hit to like. Yeah, exactly. Bogbacks, he didn't think of it as much.

I think it probably is nothing, honestly. Yeah. Speaking of something, when's the last time you accidentally like something? I know on Twitter all the time because it's on the right side. I don't use Instagram enough to have to say he's left-handed. He's left-handed. It's maybe it's on left-side. I know my goat. The likes on the right side.

I know my guy. I actually post like all the time on Twitter because my thumbs right here by the like button. Yeah. I imagine that happens on Instagram for your left-handed. Gotcha. Speaking of something that is something, though, the Los Angeles Lakers have hired an assistant general manager. They finally have people making decisions that are not named Rob Polinka for years.

They had a hilariously dry front office that was literally him and two advisors named Rambis making decisions. They have now hired former New Orleans Pelicans Vice President of Strategy and Operations Rohan Ramadas, I think, as an assistant general manager under Rob Polinka. It was reported they're hiring two assistant general managers, one for operations, one for basketball side. So this is step one of the two-step process for the new owners that run the Dodgers to come in and build out a legit front office for Rob Polinka.

So again, he is not the only motherfucker making decisions. Nice. Someone from the Pelicans. Just love what they've been doing. Bring them in. Hell yeah. Rick minds over there, man. Very inspiring moves made.

Hell yeah. No, I have no idea. The Ivy League of the NBA. That's what I was every time you see hiring at this, you're just like, oh, what that team do? I guess he's in charge of it all. Exactly. One no one.

Don't know what he did. We'll see. I do trust that ownership group to make good hires. So thank God that people are being hired underneath Rob Polinka. Even if it's not. Well, actually, it does, obviously it matters if it's a good hire or not. But to the Lakers, like, we should be scared now that, like, people, now that the, the Lakers with all of the just like built-in advantages that they have, now that they're acting like an actual NBA team, that is scary.

Yeah. I just hope that these people they're hiring are as quick enough that it makes it sense for this offseason. Because it feels like they're going to, like, hire it out, make this whole thing happen. But that'll really go into effect the next year. And this offseason is, like, the final stretch of Polinkas plan. this is a insanely important offseason Palinka's allowed to guide it single-handedly kind of disgusting

please let them please let them guide his single-handle-up that's how you get Jailen Darren for $45 million for Lakers he might get 50 there's also reports saying they're not going to make too many moves this off season

yeah that was a contractor because they're saving up for one big move I said they're waiting for the trade deadline because they do it every year don't make any moves trade deadline all the second is kind of like a deadline merchant Yeah, he is a deadline merchant. And that's okay.

Well, the deadline was waiting. It has to be the summer. They have to do stuff. The way they would not do stuff this summer is that they've re-signed Rudy and LeBron and Marcus Smart. And, like, that's the cap space. Which that's kind of what the report means is that they're going to keep their team and then make moves in the margin because they like the way they performed, which I guess. I mean, I won't be happy about it. But, like, so be it.

Yeah. Yeah. Rui shot well enough in the playoffs. I'm like, I understand it now. Like, when he performed that well, I get giving him money, he can play somewhere else. Yeah. they really does hitching on LeBron too yeah

that's the biggest thing just come back from the minimum man take a small amount of money he is not gonna do that he might would you have the minimum in this position minimum no

I'm not taking the money if I'm LeBron no unless like it's guaranteed that you're bringing another like high quality player in there too under no circumstances that might take in the minimum

wow I would because I think I would value the like I know what that did for Brady's legacy to take less money and build these great teams and end of his career and content

And that was like that was a talking point. I would probably do it if I was LeBron, but that's just me. Maybe I mean, LeBron's probably more of a capitalist name. So he probably just like, he's going to get the money. So be it. I can't really mad at him. So like, fine. I would probably value that, especially if it's my last year.

If I can say in my last year I did the team of solid and built a great team and went out on a high note, being able to legitimately contend, that would be more valuable to me than $18 million on my billionaire. Me too, man. Me too. I was very pro Jailen Brunson taking that pay good too. Yeah. That I'm less pro about. Jaylen Bresten should get all of his money.

He's not LeBron James. That was ridiculous, yeah. But in general, I think, I think, again, I can't put myself in his shoes for real. I like to think I'd be open-minded to take the pay cuts, especially when I'm so solidified as LeBron James. Yeah. If we are right,

he's not doing that. He's not doing that. I really think it depends on what options are in front of him. It really depends on if it's worth it. It has to be, like, super worth. If you ask me to take less money so I can give Rui and, like, smart a little more, go to have.

Go fuck us. I'm not doing that. He's also just a contention with the Lakers thing so he's not going to like, you're not going to tell me I'm less valuable and for no reason, right?

Because there's that weird thing where he feels devaluable the Lakers. So I get it if he won't do it for them. If Cleveland can pull something off and he can go there for them in a moment, and it's worth it.

I think that kind of ties things. Just for one year, man. Come on. Yeah. A billion dollar brawn, man. Come on. Can't do it. Now I'm going to do it.

I can't do it. I can't respect it in terms of like the money. I can't Minimum is so crazy It's really not The Gratzkyy thinks It is I can't respect it in the money element

But I can respect it by saying You're just not going to tell me I'm worth the minimum Like in because of my self-worth Like you're not going to tell me LeBron James that You want me to take the minimum Like you're not going to tell me that

I need to decide it And I need to decide it's worth it But like you're not going to devalue me At any point of my life But I respect that side of it Yeah But if he devalues himself Like it's cool

Yes Literally That is selfless That is not I'm washing Oh, You throw me to the side Say I'm not worth it

Now it's I'm selflessly saying I'll take one for the team Different narrative entirely Trying to control the narrative 100% I love it 100%

Now he's ring chasing So be it He's fucking 80 Yeah He said Isn't that the best way What he's supposed to do Isn't that the best way

To ring chase though You make this bread I guess I guess. But with the ethical way to ring chains to take less money and how people come to you? No, it's shameless. What? I think, I think, I think, I think, I think it's, it can be a lot of things.

It can't be shameless to say in my last year I'm taking the minimum. I think for a guy like LeBron, I think, I think if you're like a star, star player and you are still playing at a fairly solid level, like if you are, if you're, I don't know, if you're averaging two points a game, right? And it's like, hey, I'm just going to be over here, basically be a glorified. assistant coach, then that's something different. But I think that if you're at a point in your career where you're like in, you're like in the playoff rotation, I do think that like taking the minimum is a little bit kind of nasty.

Okay. Minimum? I don't know. It's not nasty. It's not nasty. It's not nasty. I can understand. Being selfless is a nasty when you're a billionaire.

That's a selfless is a great word. I don't think it's true but I mean I don't think that it's fully selfless but that's a sure sure no yeah that's a different conversation I'd just be monetarily

there's some self-serving nature to it because you want to have a good team but even then regardless the tangible thing is still selfless above all whether not you're whether that makes sense to you I mean you're saying it's crazy

to not take that whatever next topic next topic Dremont Green was hacked or not. That's a debate. Nope, he was fully aware of his actions.

Somebody tweeted him, said, come outside, bitch, at money, two, three, green. I don't know what this edit was.

I think it's Dylan Brooks. Yeah, Dylan Brooks. I don't know why it's about Draymond, though. I really don't. What did Drummond say? Did he say something wrong

about the Knicks or something like that? He probably was talking shit about the Knicks. Okay, maybe he was talking shit about the Knicks. And then thereby's come outside. So at Hannah Hoop says, come outside, bitch. Thinking that Dremong Green would never see this. She's just talking.

She's just tweeting being an ad-shutored user. Drummond Green responds, watch your mouth before I crush those dirty ass kids in your banner. Go ahead and click on her account. What? You look at her banner. There is, in fact, two children. Two young girls.

I think one is her and one is her sister. If I read the replies correctly. What the hell? What is this issue? I think Dremont assumed us assume that's like her family members or like her children or something like that. Yeah. But I think it's her and,

sister. This is not effective trash talking at all on Twitter, Dremont. What do you mean by that? Oh, come on. You're going to kill these kids? I'm not going to lie. I went on Dremont's profile right after that and I saw this man was just yapping this morning. He had extra time on his hand just saying

whatever, responding to all the haters. He felt a certain way this morning. So he's obviously just talking back to someone to call him a bitch, right? So like so be it. What does it mean to tell them I'll crush those kids? What do you mean by that? What do you mean by that? What interpretation of that can you take? Like obviously we don't got to take a crazy way obviously

Because it's obviously not what you meant But of course What do you mean? What do you mean? He talks about to kill your kids I'm gonna beat your kids Like what's the implication here Like what's the charitable way to interpret this?

Like you're gonna crush their hearts next year No No No no Because he didn't interpret like yeah next year will be back Or anything like that either I don't I think the

I think the specifics of it are Necessarily important I just think that he needs that he wanted to let them know that like they're in danger you know like like you're you're offending me so now I'm going to offend you so like just watch your mouth because it can get spooky very quickly yeah yeah and like the sentiment is clear yeah and it can get spooky around you and the people that you love so let's just let's all just call now right he's Tony soprano I don't I don't know but it was it gets very spooky around you and the people that you love

And so, and like, you're out here on the internet calling me outside of my name. You would never say that to me. I'm going to say something that I probably would say to you in your face if I saw you. I look at you. I'll crush you. So it's like. This crazy bird. And you're right.

That is the exact interpretation. That's the. Those dirty ass. And then, like, it is, listen, it is like kind of whack, though, to tweet something like something like to somebody. And then, like, they respond and then you're like, oh, are you, like, are you hacked to somebody or, like, like, kind of dug back? Like, you were talking crazy. Sure, sure. So again, that interpretation of Dremont Green clapping back makes total sense.

And he said this because it's a girl, too, so he can only talk so aggressively to a young girl. Like, what is he said to say? Yes. He can't say. Any more. Exactly. If that was me, when he was Dremont, he'd just simply tell me he'd beat the fuck out of me. Because, like, you'd say that, right?

You can't say it to a girl clearly. So he'd say, I'll crush those kids. What, I understand. Mind you. The kids are also girls. It's also her I'm pretty sure But let's say he assumed they're his daughters

Let's say he assumed those are his siblings Or his kids He typed the words Question those kids And what we know That it's not as crazy as it could be interpreted What did he mean by that? I wish those

Like he did say dirty ass kids too He said dirty And that dirty kids kind of makes it a little bit That makes it a little more loose to me Because you're like The dirty ass kids Like it's like if there's neighbor kids like they're just i don't know that that that kind of softens it a little bit to me

and that saved it that saved it a crush i just needed i needed a verb yeah right because i can't say killed that's also too harsh exactly we're we're like i think in terms of like a clapback i should think jemont did this pretty masterfully in terms of like a mad-lib situation you know what Because nobody knows what it means, but it's provocative. Exactly. I found the exact right word that is open enough for interpretation. I put a subject in there that lets you know that I'm serious about what I'm prepared to do and the level of anger that's inside of me right now.

So I think that this is actually a very well-executed play by Drake. I would like to see him break this down on a whiteboard like it's a cover three-beater. You know, I'm going to keep it a bean. This is a master-class. of linguistics. Yeah. I could understand it because assuming Draymond, if he is

tweeting this with the intention of all, like, those are your kids. I want to put fear in this mother's heart. I want her to walk outside. Not feeling safe no more. Then I'm like, okay, maybe you, maybe you achieved it. I've just never heard the word crushed

like this. He's old, man. That's a unique verb. He's a unique guy. Correct. So, again, I want to see him in the whiteboard, breaking down word by word, the rhyme schemes like like it said like it's a cover three beater draw the lines you got to go

on rap caviar man yeah the genius videos they're breaking down the verse and it's a different color for every rhyme scheme he's gonna be like I was bad man that's it I was just pissed he got to address this on the next gym on green show sure that he will I'm gonna crush those dirty ass kids see what I meant was at the moment a trash compactor and I'm literally crushed it I was watching Toy Story with the kids and my mind went. That's you. You're next.

All right. So the all defensive teams dropped. If you're still here, comment what you think you're drunk by that. All right. All defensive teams dropped. First team, Wembe, Chet, Asore, Rudy, Derek White. Second team, Bam, Scotty Barnes, Jason Wallace

Dyson Daniels and OG Why do he say Like he's from the Bay He said A-R Like he's E-40 Really

How are you supposed to say A-S-A-S-R? A-S-R You're saying A-S-O-A-R Like S-O-A-R He said his name Regular

Mad regular before I don't know Who you feel like Yeah that was unique and new You feel like E-40s Don't you? Not bad, man I'm putting on a master class

of linguistics Oh yeah, so the controversy here Scotty Barnes left off of both teams Derek White making first team Over oh no my mind Scottie Barnes is second team But he left off a first team for Derek White Who also made it over Bamadabio

Cason Wallace made it as a secondary Oklahoma City Thunder Defender Fair Dyson Daniels OG Noah Men Which was a controversial one a little bit When people understand Who else got left off Um

I think that's pretty much It for real Dyson Caruso? Yeah. Nah. Didn't play enough minutes like that. Yeah.

I think it's pretty much it. See, being on second team for Scotty sucks ass because this is what's supposed to. This is what was supposed to like define the season for you. And no one ever remembers like all defensive second team. So basically like the NBA is wiping away this entire season for you, bro. It feels like you did you accomplish nothing. Second team's cool and all that.

It's great. But it's like for the level of season that he had, it needs to be accomplished. Yeah. I know Castle, Castle was a guy for second team that. that could have been there. Oh, Castle, yes. That's another one. Yeah.

Listen, shout out to Dyson Daniels, though, for making it again. Because I think a lot of people were, like, because he was shooting so bad that the overall impact of Dyson Daniels was just, like, kind of thrown to the side. So the fact that he made a team is cool. But, yeah, I think it does suck for Scotty. Because I think, I can't remember the team that we had made, like, a month ago. but I think I thinking about it now I think I would have had Scotty over over Rudy I think I don't think so I need to check I don't think I could have no you put Scottie over Derek White clearly that'll make more sense yeah Eric White being first team is kind of crazy

yeah that's just like straight up reputation yeah like I mean he good defensive season still a great player I mean I'm not like insanely mad at him being second team but him being over bam and Scottie's kind of crazy yeah okay so my so my team at the time I had Wemby Chet, Bam, Asar, and Derek White. Are you a Derek White first team? Yeah. Well, I guess you're right.

Time says you're right. History agrees with you. Let's go. Do we feel like a lot of the Scotty defense is like playoff bias, though? Or is it truly like he got another? I think people started noticing the playoffs because people weren't watching rappers like that. But we were saying it all year that he was incredible defensively. Yeah.

And me and Mopec him first team. Yeah. Which is another, and it is another reason why. This stuff should be released so much earlier so that you can have the, you can have like honest discourse around it. Because after a month and a half, after six weeks of playoff basketball and seeing, seeing the game in a completely different light than the way it's played in the regular season, it's very difficult to go back and have those, the conversations about the way people were just playing for the last eight months, opposed to the last six weeks. Now voters are over here looking crazy as hell, one for Dern and shit like that. Yeah. And to be fair, Scotty Barnes also felt a type of way about it.

And he should. Yeah, for sure, for sure. At least me second team, though. At least he's on there. Yeah. But no one remembers that shit. It sucks. I don't know people remember it at all, really.

Nobody talks about all defensive teams. Remember first team defense, but second team? You only, yeah, you only, I only ever think about people. I think people would just say he had an all-divance of season. Like, I don't think people really specified like that. Yeah, as long as you make all defensive team, I think you're straight. Yeah, I don't know if there is a really difference. I guess so.

But even, even the, even the same. then I feel like I only hear that brought up whenever you get to like three or four. Once you start stacking them, because if you make all defense like one time, it's like, all right, like for one year, he was kind of like that. But the actual distinction of it, you really have to start stacking them up. But then even at that point, we already know that you're a good defensive player. So we just, we give you that credit. Yeah, it's not the most important award.

Nah, man. It's important for guys like Tony, Tony Allen, man. Remember back when he would just be like, first team? Yeah, exactly. He had a second team. He would be like incredibly. doing this, bro. You can't do this the entire time. Only this.

You bad to just lay a ass down, man. First, you know, he got it. Can't say too much about it. There you go. That's the end this episode. If you're still here, once again, comment what you think Jermon Greed meant by that. Why are you so curious about that? You want to add that to your pedicular? I'm a crush you,

man. I don't find it. I don't find a crush on anybody. It's okay. But I do like to know what Jeremy agreement by that. We'll see you on Thursday. We'll see you on tomorrow for House Gold. What question? What question again?