The Deep 3 Podcast - Everything You Need To Know From NBA Media Day | TD3 Live

Episode Date: October 1, 2024

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As you see about the title, today we're going to be recapping NBA Media Day, which is always fun. You know, it's like the unofficial starts of the season where games aren't being played yet, but the NBA is back. We're getting new stories. We're getting players talking. We're getting things to talk about again. The season is upon us, you know? So lots to talk about from everybody's media appearances, the reporting around it. Yeah, man, a lot to do.

Let's go ahead and you have a yes-box. Yeah, we'll just jump straight into it. the first thing we're going to talk about today you know one of the most common memes these days well that is a loud donation shout out to Joaquin 37 for tipping three dollars he said had to pray for Dom when I got the cat news the other night

oh yeah let's talk about the cat news report before we get into the oh shit so as you guys saw we did an emergency episode in which you recap the car-in-town-town trade Donovan got his shit off it was an emotional episode because we recorded that the night of Donovan how are you feeling now have you sold yourself on it have your opinions changed where do you stand i'm just waiting a seat cat listen let's work like this listen it's about business

that's all this year is about like i i i don't like that this has happened all all all just because because i think i've sold myself on the basketball aspect of it in terms of like okay we're giving jalen brunson five out spacing and that should be very interesting to watch however i just can't get over the fact that we didn't let it we didn't let the original team play one game together and that's the that's the part that's tripping me up because certainly like there had to be another deal on the table where we could have gotten you know a different center outside of cat and then there were some initial report saying that oh well actually dante wasn't happy with the nova nix and he wasn't happy with his role but then you know

reports came out today saying that that report wasn't true and that rumor was fake so it's like I don't really know what's what's going on it's all a road just big mess so I'm kind of just patiently waiting but media day's here I'm excited so it is what it is cat listen you're part of the family so we're locked in chat what we're talking about this trade let's get you guys the reaction I want you guys to spam what you grade this trade for the Knicks and after that we do the Timber Rules but right now grade this trade for the Knicks chat I uh okay go ahead So it's been three days, four days, whatever, since that trade happened. Yeah.

And has your thoughts evolved yet, Isaac? Have you had a chance to dive deeper into it and change the opinions? Yeah, I'd probably like it a little bit more for the Knicks than I did initially. I think the weaknesses are still there, and we were really focusing on the weaknesses, which I don't feel bad about. But I like the offensive fit a lot. Like, I like it a lot. And in the moment, I like it just fine. And I thought the defense was questionable.

that I'm like I don't know like it's it's a move and but I think the offense is a chance to be truly elite and I like it enough for that because I think if you can take the chance on having one of the best offenses in the league and getting the best out of cat that we've seen in years trust Tom Tipal trying to make the defense work trust your elite defensive wing duo and try to make it work what I don't like is there's been like a backlash to the backlash where Knicks fans are people that are positive about the trade act like a gets lazy to question Kat's defense when it just absolutely is not because people were like oh he found defense last year he was great he defended KD really well on the playoffs he did all this

stuff which is good cat did have a good defensive year we acknowledged that multiple times over the last six months he had a very good defensive year as a power forward next year we're to go bear that may translate maybe he just maybe it's an intensity thing maybe it's a effort thing we'll see but that's a very different role than what he'll have to do on the Knicks where he'll have to be the main Protector Hold it down Rinkside help He'll have to be

What Rudy Gaubert was Now they won't play The same scheme But you know what I mean Like it's just not the same What you being able to Play well as a power Forward next to Riteaubert

Is not the same role As needing to be a rim protector Next to wings Who aren't necessarily You know Red Protectors Yeah So something that I just

It didn't even occur to me At all but the Knicks were number two In offense last year Yeah And just number 15 In defense Just straight up average

How much better should this offense be now? To me, world's better because obviously you put Kat in there And you still have Julian Brunson and you throw in the addition of Macau Bridges No matter what you miss out of Julius Randall, those combinations of the three Like should ascend your offense to another level, but I wonder just how much their defense is going to hurt And at the end of the day, will that like bounce each other out and will you see, you know, the different tier of contender that they're trying to be i don't know yeah i think i think something that might be an underrated struggle that the or not not even struggle but like growing pain is figuring out who's going to be the the catch and shoot guy

because that was dante's role and so you had like he really really stepped up as a shooter last season and so now you take that away okay listen but like is mikhail yeah yeah like like relegating Mikhail, I would think that he should be a little bit more. We've seen Mikhail be more than just a 3-and-D catch and shoot guy, especially over the last couple years. And so that's why I'm coming into this situation. I'm just curious, I guess, to see what it looks like with him kind of revert him back to that role. But I look at this team, I look at, okay, you have, you have, like, you have Jamon going downhill.

You have OG who can, you know, attack clothesouts, do all that stuff. McHale can handle the ball a little bit before it was Julius, who was also, you know, creating offense on his own, and then you can kick out to Dante. Is cat, I get really the balance between cat being down low and attacking mismatches and stuff like that, or being outside, catch and shoot space on the floor, that's going to be really interesting for me as the season starts. Yeah. I don't really have an issue with that.

I think Josh Hart is going to be even more catching shooting than was before. McCale's going to do that a good amount When McHale's at his best, he's a 3-&D guy that catches a ball and can create attack and close-outs and can do a little bit extra on top of that But at the core, he's an off-ball player I think you'll see bench lineups Where J-Lid isn't there and he's running more pick and roll

Like he did in Brooklyn, which is nice But when they're core groups out there, I think he'll be comfortable Enough off-ball and obviously OG as well Is not a guy who demands touches Yeah, I agree. Like, Mikal At his best, like you said, is just straight up 3nd-D and doing a little bit of things on the ball

I think the second that you tell him to create more offense and think about other people when he's creating offense, that's when you get into sluggish role and he really like devalue he doesn't devalue himself but his value just tremendously drops because he is not super efficient or elite on that end of the floor

compared to someone like Brandon Ingram or whoever you know the traditional playmaking wings are. He's just not that so I think him catching just huh and doing that sally do your job bro literally it that's it it's like your tongue out and dance

okay so how do you guys feel about it I'm right are you gonna do his celebration I need to see you do the celebration Donovan when as soon as he plays this first game as a Nick McCall's question Of course I'm gonna do it I'm gonna be right at the TV

What you're talking out If his tongue is out then I'm not doing this No What's the story? What's the story? How I celebrate is how I celebrate. Don't know you, I read a poll, and I said, is this trade a W or an L for the Knicks? 66% of you guys said W.

So you guys are overall very positive about it for the Knicks. You motherfuckin' stop giggling. Chat, I let you guys get ready for the Tiberians now. I know the biggest giggle ain't telling us to stop giggling. How have you guys the thoughts progressed on it for the Timberwolves? Are you feeling better or worse? Me personally, it's worse. I say 10-tells with the Timberwolves.

I liked the trade. I hated it because of sentimental reasons. Like, God damn, that was Ant, man. Cat was been there through the ups and downs and experienced all the worst things that any superstar could experience for their franchise. But long-term thinking feature-wise, it looks like they did genuinely open up the future for them. And I guess they swallowed the hard truth early in terms of, yeah, we can never win this with this group. And I think they were, like, proactive in terms of getting the biggest bang for your buzz. for what car anthony town is it just sucks after having you know some of the most success in your franchise as a last compared to the last like 15 20 years or whatever it just sucks

but i like it i i i okay so i understand it from that perspective you're kind of punting on the next two years because i don't think at at this point in time that having julius randled there um dramatically elevates you from where you were with car anthony towns maybe maybe they play well enough and you can get to the same spot but i don't think that you are worlds better with uh with julia and with dante and then let's say you go into next year you don't like the fit you don't sign you don't resign uh randall now it's just aunt and gobert and you're putting a lot a lot of pressure onto aunt mike kiley is old as hell you don't know what's really happening right there. We'll see what, you know, improvements Jaden McDaniels can make to his

offensive game. Is he going to like blossom? Because if he does it, now you have like Ant as a main score, Gobert, who's a non-factor offensively. You still don't have a point guard. You have a 3-and-D guy, which is nice. And then you have a hole at your power forward. So in two years, it looks very, very scary for Minnesota. And that's where I get a little bit nervous because that is when Ant is going to be entering his prime. And you have to rebuild the team on the fly instead of having a group that's built you know that's been built together came up together went through all the struggles all that stuff so I don't like it from that perspective yeah I feel like both these teams like we talked about it last episode that we think both these

teams like stood in a position where they could have made a trade it made sense right like last year we were saying they should trade cat then he proved this wrong he played well but at the core we thought that cat and go bear probably shouldn't be together long term they had earned their right to that to be no longer a take you have but it wasn't crazy and the Knicks obviously have a chance to go all in all the time Julius Randall wasn't a terrible fit but we all said

kind of expendable if you can find an upgrade somewhere else so it's not crazy at all for these teams be motivated make a trade but the fact that they made this trade with each other it just feels like weird like a lot of Knicks fans are like you didn't say Katz not a playoff performer or not a good defender neither was Randall okay no one said keep Julius Randall it's just why get why is Kat the guy

trading for you know like there's surely other deals out there so it's not that they shouldn't have made a deal at all instead pat it's just both these teams kind of made a weird deal there was any of the deal like there was no there was no other centers that you could have traded for if you're the nicks if you're the if you're the timbles there wasn't any other star that you can go out there and and get and flip cat for i yeah you're right it's just weird but like most said shout out to them though because they are not going to be the ones who have to pay Carithy Towns like 50-something, 60-something million.

So, good for them. All right, man. Well, obviously, we'll keep talking about these teams at length as we head into the season and do all of our previews. But let's get to the main topic of this episode. Let's talk about what NBA Media Day. And the first thing I want to talk about, let me make us to you guys and see my screens.

We have a new potential meme goat coming amongst us pretty soon. And what that is, is we might have the replacement to Celtic Shack. In Mavs Clay, everybody's talking about this picture. And then if this doesn't go well, this might be an all-timer. This might be Magic Patrick Ewing. This might be a Raptor Sakeem Elijah one.

We might have a new entrance pretty soon. What makes it that bad? It's the number. It's the number. You can't go somewhere else. And especially if you're at the end of your career and do this whole, oh, I'm in a new beginning. Let me get a new number.

No. We need to know who you are. You need to keep your number. And granted, Kyrie is wearing his number, so I understand you had to change it. Pay Kyrie, whatever he wants.

Because you can't afford to be out here. You can't afford to be out here looking like this on Media Day. You look old. You look washed. 31 is such a, I think the issue of you are, the biggest issue probably is from the 31. It's 31.

And then also, since when did he start wearing headbands? Has that been a thing for him? I guess so, probably because I remember him a couple years ago. 31 is the issue. That is not an NBA number. That is not a basketball number for some reason. 32.

Yeah, 30. Cool, of course. He's seen it. I mean, that's Reggie Miller. 31 is? Yeah, that's a basketball number. Just not his number. Who gives a fuck?

It's not a good basketball number. Just because Reggie Miller wore it doesn't make it a good basketball number. Oh, you gave him another reason they hit on Reggie Miller. You messed up down. It's not a good number at all. But yeah, it's just funny because, really I'm joking about it automatically making him wash but it just looks so weird seeing him outside of a warrior jersey and that's a real takeaway is that like wow man players change teams all the time

it's nothing new but some players are just so synonymous for organization so synonymous with an era that it's just fucking strange and it will be for a while yeah the field the world feels like it's just like misaligned like the time is coming our time is coming this is when like climate change officially enters this is the weirdest line of climate change yeah exactly things just off man let me catch a money's don't know

before we get to the next thing shout out to J25 for tipping three dollars he says stop to hate 31 was his his season high last year great shout to big per NYC for tipping $5

what do you think of Zach Logan laid off are we doomed ESPN oh my gosh ESPN is doomed we are not doomed. Zacklow will bounce back just fine. He'll find a platform. He'll find a home for himself. ESPN is absolutely cooked and they are not putting out a good product that

gives you any reason to go to them for basketball coverage. What is the direction that we see them like headed towards right now? I'm going to put people on screen to make for the sole purpose of getting dunk central tweets that people will laugh at them and give us engagement bait on.

That's the purpose of ESPN these days is to get Twitter engagement bait and make people want to watch GetUp or something because they're going to rage bait and laugh at whatever perker or stephen a hit the saying these days gosh so like they lose woge uh through no control of their own jj reddit through no control of their own and then they lost like the most someone who has a perfect balance of just like information being super informed while also like entertaining in a different light just like that tough sliding shout the horse of yokech tipping five dollars he said

can all of you individually build a starting five of players you hate the most current or all time repeats are a lot for each of you i know donovan can starting five don't don't roll it off all time starting five of players you can't stand okay so at the five joan and bd don't know yeah well yeah we're going to be mbid is really he's really gotten up there so we're going to beat at the five what's the most part of mb's game for you he's he's he's joel and bead is the biggest dude on the floor and simultaneously acts like the smallest guy on the floor there's some there's sometimes where he has like the chris paul and he has like like chris paul's energy inside of him where like chris paul he has to do all this stuff because

you know he's the smallest guy on the floor he needs to get all the advantages you're seven one two 90s like what why are you flopping like this so he beats the bear for the five recently yeah i've i've i've got now over go bear um i said listen i still don't like him we can do that we can do two Biggs, Twin Towers. I put Goberra at the 5 and at the 4. We put Jason Terry at the 2. Can't stand Jason Terry. Jason Terry so random.

You just hate that guy for the reason? No. Back when I was like a LeBron fan, Jason Terry hit in a 3 in the 2011 finals over LeBron killed me. I couldn't understand it. We put James Hardin at the 1, Jason Terry at the 2, run and B. and go bare at the five and then at the three hmm I can't Paul Pierce's his post career has made me

really really hate him even though that I really do like Paul Pierce but now he's just annoyed so I'll put Paul Pierce at the five he's paying a bad career tax yeah it's been that bad a yapper tax yeah that's a good five I'm gonna make them to a TikTok Donovan's all-time hate list yeahpper tax yeah for tax is crazy I remember a computer class. I used to go in every single day and change the screensaver to Jason Terry

getting dunked on LeBron. It was... True hater. Would you do that for all 20 computers in your class? So it was like me and the two of my friends we would all change it. It would just be us three. And it would be like that road.

Oh, trio haters. God damn. Listen, I've been rolling with haters since I was young. I surround people who have the same goals as I do like-minded individuals I wonder what you got to do to be like initiated

into that group Rising tide lifts all boats of hatred Now my next story Does this concern you Janice says he and Dame Weren't able to work out together This offseason at all

That's very concerned There's two sides to For me I'm like Yeah people be busy People be busy And like it's not the biggest deal In the world Like we don't consistently

see like oh like step and draymond work out during the off season or you know but at the same time too i think about my just for comfortability reasons i see the tray young working out with zach rickory rishishay during the off season you know and i see like uh john moran working out with zach edie during the off season you know and it's just like jop was his name james hard and worked out with uh zubotch during the off season i believe not the off season but super early into camp i believe same vibes this is weird that these two have not like I think it's not weird it's not weird at all because I think it's pretty common not NBA stars have busy lives they don't always see each on the off season like I don't think it's unusual for this to happen but these

these two are in a very specific situation of both their careers in which they have to win this year if they don't win with this team if it doesn't work out discourse will be had and they will not be in a good situation for the Milwaukee organization I'll let's say that I think they would be pretty motivated individuals to try to make things work and use the off-season to ensure the season's a success. Now to each their own, they have actual personal lives the off-season. Maybe that's not how they'd like to spend their time. Go for it if you'd like. But if I was a Bucks, I would be encouraging then to see each other in the off season and try to get this going.

It is, we are, it is October 1st right now. These two got eliminated in April. Right? They've had four months off of basketball. And Janus makes a trillion dollars a year. Dame has made a trillion dollars a year. You can take any private jet you want to get wherever. You're telling me for four months, there was never a day where Dan was like,

yeah, I'm just not doing anything. And Janus wasn't doing anything either. It's very concerning. Yeah. Yeah. For all the reasons that Isaac said, you guys couldn't get on the same page, right? It's fine if Stefan, if Stefan Dreman never have a workout together. that is okay why they've won four championships together they've played together for over a decade

they can wake up right both of them can be hurt for an entire year and come back play one game boom they're automatically in sync the entire bucks construction didn't work last year because you two couldn't get on the same page even if you couldn't get a workout can you get on zoom I know what you guys were doing to make sure that there is a little bit of communication so that whenever you at least get into camp, it's like, okay, we talked about it a little bit. Chris Middleton has both his ankles has surgery. We have no idea what's going to happen with Chris Minnotton. I am so shocked that neither one of them have been able to link up.

David Litton linked up with David Goggins to work out. You couldn't know he didn't figure out where Yannis was? No. No. I was at a wedding this summer, bro. Like, you couldn't, like, you got to know how that schedule is. It's crazy. That's crazy.

Chat, are you guys concerned about the books? Does this concern you at all? Did you want to make the Olympics? Did they even qualify? I don't want to make too big a deal by this. Look at this. Again, it's a massive deal. They have training camp.

Like, it, again, they're people with the office is the office. know that's not their job but it's not encouraging I'll say that I don't think it's like detrimental but it's not encouraging when you would hope that you see some desperation in the organization but I hesitate to be like working the off season spend your time off grinding like these are people yeah but also

yeah just see you all together once just bring the cameras on even if like y'all aren't doing work together for real can you do it for fake like we've seen clips a CP and Devin Booker back when C.P. three got traded there and they were again working at some random opens them like it's just encouraging to see some what they made the finals win it's work yeah i mean it's proven in the

concept i'll say i'm not concerned but i'm not encouraged either and i very much would like to be encouraged by the behavior of the bucks i want them to give me a reason to believe some teams on media they do sometimes it's bullshit but some teams say the right things right things go down you see the writing on the wall some teams don't and this is one of those times where you're like, oh, that's noticing. In my mind, it's just a sign of, like, leadership, too, in my mind. Like, I saw, it's just interesting.

That's all it is. A whole lot of noticing. A lot of noticing. Well, we'll pin that away, and if it becomes relevant, we'll look back and be like, okay, that probably meant something. But maybe we'll see, I could go on and on, but random NBA players getting work working with, like, I see LeBron getting working with rookies, bro.

That's crazy. Like, the most random second round. picks. Like, come on now. All right. Next story. The Phoenix Sons have confirmed their starting five. They're putting in Tice Jones and benching Grayson Allen. Chat and you guys does this move you? Do you

think this makes the Phoenix Suns better next year? Maybe. That's honestly the best I can give you right now because I think the benefit, I think Devin Booker can benefit from not having to play point guard full time. And I think

I think, like, they're probably, they're probably going to find a lineup where Booker is the point guard, and that ends up being their best lineup, and Bradley Beale isn't on the floor, and you have, you know, like you have Booker, KD, some shooting, and you get some defense in there, but this is what they needed. So you kind of have to roll out Tyre Jones as your point guard in order to show, hey, everybody knew that we needed a point guard, we made the effort to go get a point guard, Here's what we're starting this season with And then whatever happens in between the 48 minutes

Happens I think that the Suns had two issues last year One no playmaking Just straight bucket getters as we thought Devil Booker had a play point guard Wasn't natural right Two they were 25th and three point volume In the starting lineup They had exactly one high volume three point shooter

And his name was Grayson Allen Now Grayson Allen is on the bench So they solved one of those problems Of putting a point guard in there which we like But at the expense of making one of the other problems worse. And maybe Mike Bounser comes in and encourages Devin Boker, Bradley Biel, and Kevin Durant to

all up the three-point volume and, you know, correct that math mistake. But it's not like a clear like move up, you know? You're exchanging one problem for another when one was already also a problem, so you're just making it worse. It's just, maybe it's the best outcome of bad outcomes, but it's

just not encouraging. What's the difference between being, you know, 25th versus what, 30th, 29th? Like, they are in the bottom third of the league in that, right? Well, they shouldn't be. They can't be unless they're going to have a top eight defense in the league, which I don't fucking envision.

I'm just saying if you know that that is what you are, and if your three best players are not high volume three-point shooters, especially at this point in their career, they're not going to change. Like, Devin Booker isn't going to come out here and start taking 10-3s a game. It's not going to happen for KD or for Bradleyville. So if you know who you are, it's about trade-offs and you have to say okay if they are going to be who they are

and I know that I can't change the core of my team then we're just going to have to fix every other problem around it and then putting a point guard in there is what it is but that's not fixing the problem around it is surrounding those guys with shooters because they won't shoot that like you can't it's not negotiable to well then they're just going to another point guard who can shoot threes I can't fix the sons okay this is not my fault they also have very limited options at point guard because they have no draft capital they are they are at at the the second apron like they have to get minimums and if three point shooting three and deep point guards went for the

minimum every team in the league would go after one so i this is the best that they could do it's not my fault yeah it's not this is not my fault oh i'm sorry to shrimp the dream for tipping one one cent appreciate you shout to elana for tipping seven dollars appreciate you what you say don't never be a son's team that moves me hashtag will wasn't for. This team is cooked. I see 120 points per game while also giving up like 135 points for game. The defense isn't better.

Their rebounding isn't better. The three-point shooting is worse. You got the better playmaking. But overall, they're just, Mike Boonehose are better at be a coach of the year if they can get this team to with three seed. I think the three-point shooting can get a little bit better simply because Devinbroker can focus on other aspects of the game.

Same for Beal and KD. But I don't know how much better the three-point shooting will be just because of the nature of those guys' game. Like, yeah, Devin Boker can spot up and do all that stuff, but you don't want him to be solely that. You can get you like six attempts for a game. KD can do the same. I don't know what Bradley Biel can give you, but it got a little better.

It got a little better. Someone said in the chat, Kang said, I just started getting interested in the NBA two months ago. Should I get a Phoenix Sun's Chris Paul jersey? That has to be a troll. All right, next story. Because your little jersey, that's the way. You know, every NBA team has our media days,

including on serious teams that are money laundering, like the Chicago Bulls. And they had the team pictures, several of them. And this was the best one. Zach Levine and Nicola Vucevic at Media Day. What does this picture tell you? Despair, pain, agony, torrid. Someone said, this looks like the before picture in a commercial for antidepression medication.

They'll look like one of them pictures, hey, bro, you okay? It's like one of those snickers commercials, bro. Here, have a snicker. Just turn it up by down. It's an Alexa pro commercial. This is so sad. This is so sad. They don't want to be there.

Yeah, you know why? If you go ahead and go on the Chicago Bulls TikTok, it's literally them to. vets and then Devon Carter I guess And every other Everybody else is dumb young and they're just Dancing around making TikToks and beating their chest And stuff like that hopping around everywhere You got Josh getting shaking his hair around

They're just bobbing their head Yeah exactly They're pissed I have no more bullsdusts other than this picture is funny This picture represents their season upcoming To be honest with you Alright let's talk about a team that had a good takeaway from media day relatively which is surprising given the amount of news

that's normally negative around them. Let's talk about the Lakers. I don't know if you guys saw a lot of comments from Lakers at this media day. They almost all said the same thing and it was basically, oh my God, JJ Reddick is dope. JJ Reddick has a plan.

J.J. Reddick has ideas. J.J. Reddick has organization. J.J. Reddick is a real coach because everybody was saying that compared to last year, they feel like they're in a real team with real organization that's actually planning things. Daniel Russell said the Lakers have been kind of winging it since his return to organization and mentioned more structure being around this summer.

They all just basically the media day 2025 was throwing Darvin Ham's ass under the bus. It was galerious. They're showing their appreciation for critical thinking skills. Like they did that and then automatically their moves got plus 10 team attributes and mood. It's so funny. They're all just saying that, wow, there's a serious organization here. And it's encouraging, right? Like, it seems like, you know, that's what we wanted from JJ Reddick was the

confidential competency and not do the dumb stuff that Darwin Ham did. And I almost feel like the Darwin Ham era might have been a lot worse than we realized because now they're talking so publicly about it. It 100%, I think, is the fact that, like, you went from a championship roster. The team won the title four years ago, and then you fire Frank Vogel and you bring in Darwin, and you were never, ever able to regain that level of, like, dominance, right? You make it to a Western Conference finals, sure, you get swept, right? And you even, you face the nuggets again, back-to-back years.

You get one game, and it's very, very hard to look at the Lakers over the last three years. some of that is Darwin Ham's fault some of that is Palinca's fault for bringing in Russell Westbrook and throwing everything you know off the rails but it's it is nice because I we were joking around like two weeks ago I was like

it would be extremely funny if JJ Redick was just bad that he's like just because he's he's shown himself to be a very you know like buttoned up student of the game like he knows what he's talking about and I guess the transition from saying like

hey the lakers should do this and then you actually go in and be like hey we're doing this like that that actually is it's a very simple thing but i think that a lot of coaches see stuff that is very uh simple and it just doesn't get implemented so seeing that the lakers are moving in a in a you know forward direction shout out shout out to them i listen i'm still hating on them i still hope that they need but as a outside my good job j yeah yeah i'm happy old also that he's not like starting off the season setting off any like super lofty goals. I think we talked about a last

live, but Darwin Ham last year was like, oh yeah, I want Anthony Davis to come out here and start taking six threes a game and he was just talking like crazy and reckless and he had the weirdest starting lineup starting touring prints and Cam Reddish. Those two should be seen like 15

minutes a game probably combined in the NBA today, you know? And to have two of them out there at the same time malpractice. And players haven't been talking a lot about how he was just talking nonsense. Like, DeLo said everything other than Ham was on bullshit. He said that they had no defensive principles.

There, I saw another report that was asked that. Like, what was their principles? And I think with Anthony Davis was like, we didn't really have none. We're out there just playing. And everything JJ Reddick said is promising. He's talked about that Rui Hachamora and no one thing is promising because he's focusing on the weaknesses and being very, very up front.

He said Rui Hachamora has to shoot more threes and has to be a good defender. like straight up but that's true if Rue Hachamore is not a good defender he's not coming in the court

he has to be something he buys into he talked about Anthony Davis can't have spells where he goes five minutes without touching the ball

which is a big criticism of Darvinham's offense last year sometimes Anthony Davis would disappear and you'd have

haters like Donovan up here like he doesn't got that dog in him when really is because Darbynham was having them

out there just fucking running around JJ Redica's like no we got to put the ball in his hands make him as

a high post hub all that he talked about Austin Reeves has to run more off-screen threes. All this stuff. I was talking about how last year

they were terrible on offensive rebounds and terrible at transition defense. That's ridiculous. LeBron this morning or yesterday said, we're going to focus on transition defense because you can't pick to be bad at both. They're just saying all the right things, and it's encouraging.

You know, also is very encouraging. It's a non-basketball thing. Just seeing how heartwarming and wholesome, like, seeing him and Bonnie do, like, interviews together and stuff like that. I don't know why. Like, at first, I was just like okay like this is cool

and everybody on the internet it's like oh nepotism baby blah blah shut up no one cares about that this is a moment in NBA history that just like never literally hasn't happened before and to see just like how they're playing

off of their chemistry and the father's son bond is this wholesome bro feels like I'm watching a movie right now yeah that was someone said live laugh Lakers but anyway I got tweeted about that that like when the brandy got drafted it was just like there it was such a fucking circus and so much criticism that it didn't really like set in for me at all but then you see him

in a leaker's you're like oh yeah this is like the coolest thing ever like it's just fun i don't really go a fuck about a late second round pick i kind of like that this is a cool storyline i get to watch as a lakers fan yeah exactly i don't even like this i don't give a shit if he's ever good you could be don't have been quite big bust you sound like you've hated or something like that don't i mean listen i just said last week uh that if you know if you don't have anything nice to say don't say it at all so i mean we you know that's kind of where we're at right here damn well you've never lived by those lines you have something terrible to say and you're going to say it spit it out let it rip i don't really get about this like it did like it's nice it's nice

like i guess it's cool he's not going to play meaningful minutes like i think that brony Oh, duh. Then like, but that, but that's exactly, that's exactly what I'm saying. Listen, I'm glad everybody can have the, I hope that that Bronny's good, right? Like, I don't want to, like, hit on him. No, like, I don't want to hit on him in that sense, saying, saying, like, oh, he's going to be trashed, da-da-da. But we do know that, like, right now he probably isn't to the level of, of a, like, top eight rotational player in, on like, a serious championship contending or a team that's trying to be changed. championship contending team like the lakers so i'm glad i'm saying i'm glad i'm glad i'm all right but

no but you're saying it as like oh everybody you know i get to watch it through the whole season no he you got the pictures what you're saying it's cute that's it's it you got the pictures you got this is a period no one said that it's not no i'm saying that's going to be a fantastic duo i'm just saying no it's okay he's like all the happy shit he's going to be in the g league you you better call him a bum. I'm not saying you have to call him a bum. That's absolutely not what I'm saying. No, the point, we know that.

No one is claiming otherwise, but it's cool and that's part of the organization to have the storyline. But I guess that's my, that's my real question is, is this cool if he's not good? Yes, unequivocally, yes. It is cool no matter what.

Because there, it is of no consequence if he's not good. It is a borderline meaningless draft pick that would not be playing for this team otherwise Maybe you could have a diamond in the rough that pops out Maybe not Teams always do things to keep their superstars happy Isaiah Mobley is on the calves

The NASA is on the bucks This is the ultimate version of that And it's just good for an organization That shows that they prioritize star players And that they It's just good like overall There's no harm done Yeah exactly do you not

I'm not saying it's bad business I'm saying Is it still cool? Like, is it cool the fact that that the Nasus is on the bugs? Is it like... It's not... It's cool until it becomes detrimental to the team. And something like this isn't detrimental to the team.

And no team has ever let, you know, like family ever, like... It's the greatest player of all time son. It's cool no matter what happens. What are we talking about? It's his son on his team. That is ridiculous. If LeBron was like, yeah, go ahead and pay my son 12 million. million dollars a year or whatever then it's like oh you're kind of damaging the team but it's

nothing like that it's nothing like that yeah i got it yeah yeah you think you're just taking up space yeah i got it call me when he averages a double double then we can talk about this brawny james all right man what's the next team we should talk about let's talk about the clippers Let's go across the street or across the, I guess, hallway. Obviously, you know, Paul George is. No, across the hallway, no, across the highway now because they're not, you're right. Yeah. They're an Inglewood out.

Let's go across the city. It's quite a drive. Obviously, Paul George is gone. Obviously, Paul George is gone. That means more James Hardin basketball is coming. And he is well- He had some comments that- We'll be watching less.

He had some comments that I think represented the wrong way. He was talking about last year, you know, we all tried to find our role. I took a bit of a backseat Now we need to do more of me This is the one that This is of all the quotes This is the one I like the most James Harden on New Look Clippers

Style of play this season It's definitely going to involve a lot of me There was talk when I was in Houston You can't win like that You just saw a guy In Luca Donchish last season Make the NBA Finals Playing the same exact way I played

So clearly He is of the belief that Did he win? Well there you go I'm asking the question James Harden brought it up he said he said oh yeah neither he nor there

this is not about the Mavs but the point is the Clippers James Harden sees You gotta make a point Your point Oh my God James Harden's

I'm sorry so You don't have I'm getting you Another opportunity laughing him Let me say enough He views the Clippers this year as

Apparently playing James Hardin basketball Does that excite you No Absolutely not I do not think that James Hardin at this stage in his career is, um, is equipped to carry an offense to the level that he has

in, in the past. And I think that if he does, that if he goes out and tries to, um, it will be very tough. What's the, what's the comment say? What they say? What does? Don needs to go into NBA detox detox. This cat train has ruined his sanity. He just woke up hating on everything. yeah bro damn you know like no family ties between teams you think these players are detrimental good god i never said it was detrimental he said how about what i said everything i never said it's detrimental it's just i it's okay but no but no i don't i don't think a james hard and led offense in 2024 is going to be as productive as mr hardin thinks it's going to be so uh yeah it doesn't really

excite me especially when the secondary play on that team doesn't play for a majority of the games yeah i'm just excited a high majority is at uh athletically and all that because he's always until the last time you saw him like kind of

unleashed and unlocked fully just be him do him don't worry about anything else was semi in brooklyn when katy and kre were out with injuries and because there's here and there and whatnot and his playing with one of them, and this is the first time, again, in his career where he was able to do

so. I mean, yeah, like, Paul Kauai was out for a decent amount of time last year, too, but this is where he, this is the first time since those Houston days really, since he's been able to, like, just rock out by himself. And I'm just to see how he can get to the room effectively and all that. Yeah, it's very interesting

because, yeah, like you said, you want to see where he's out athletically. That's the biggest thing. It's because he looks like he lost us up, clearly. All the hamstring injuries caught up to him. He can't low by people no more. That's why he really has to focus on drawing fouls, has to focus on steadback threes, and he's a lot more

guardable than he once was. And where's the, where, how much of that is athletically you can't do it and how much of that is he's going into each play focusing on passing the ball more because he's playing with Y. Leonard, Paul George, Joel and B, Tyrese Maxie,

though Russell Westbrook in there, another cog I made it awkward last year, like how much of it is mindset and coaching? How much of his Tailu saying, we don't want you taking X amount of shots, we want you driving and passing, and how much of it is athleticism? Are we going to see more of a middle ground than we expect because he's actually going to be trying to score and it's a different mindset entirely? Maybe.

It actually needs to score because outside of that, looking outside of Kauai, who are your scoring options? You have Norman Powell who can get you like cool 17, 18 a game, Derek Jones Jr., you know, and then after that it gets like pretty bleak. Hey, Mo, they're recommend, Donovan, they're recommending therapy options for you in the chat. Somebody asked if you tried better help yet. All her demos are the worst. That might make him even worse.

That's even coming to the Hulk. Isn't it like every podcast is sponsored by Better Health? And they're all taking blood money. Better help is the worst. Whoever, you never take their money. I will shill some shit, but not Better Help. Yeah, I honestly, I think you can talk to your next problems. the chat, Donovan.

They'll give you better advice for her to better help. Fuck better help. They email us before. Fuck better help. You're a damn. Oh man, you guys knew. If you've read those articles,

fuck better help. What was I saying? Oh yeah, let me read some donations. After I kill some bags. Joe Budden, what, B-U-T-O-N, Joe Budin, has tipped $13.37. sentence nice

leit giving you kings my student loan money so you guys can afford to hire zach low make it happy this man's been eating at the calf for a week because he gave us a donation we appreciate it thank you just missed on on a meal for the week god damn appreciate you man

Jay tipped one dollar more James basketball he said more James Hardin basketball is coming sounds like a threat damn just shout out to CA for life for tipping $20, Don, what's worse, your least favorite player joining your squad, making your team worse, or your QB sucking and on pace for a first-round playoff exit.

Hey, man, hey, man, we're not talking about that right now, all right? I have enough issues in my life right now between the Knicks and Kat joining. Don't bring up the Eagles. Don't do that. Wait, for context, Isaac, how are the Eagles doing right now? We're too much. For their standard, not well. Specifically, the QB's doing bad. The QB looks a little...

Jailen hurts his ass. Looks a little fraudulent after getting paid. What? They went off on you, Donovan, again? Stop it. Stop it. He needs to play better. It is not his fault.

There is a man on the sideline impersonating a coach. It seems like he might be AJ Brown made. I'll say that. Ooh. Without him? They're not going to disrespect Jalen like this, man. All right, so KG looks like a backwood tip $10. No comment, though.

We appreciate you. And Pete Thompson 21 tip $10. He said, are y'all going to try that new Le Hennie? I know Donovan is. Oh, I already got it. Y'all really don't understand it. Hennessy is my drink of choice. I do try to experiment with all types.

I will have the LeBron Henny in my cupboard. That boyfriend would be saying that brawn got me loose. right now. Ew. Ew. Ew. Brom got me feeling right.

Ew. We don't rock would better help Hennessy. Hit us up, man. I need some cases. I need some cases.

All right, man, let's talk about another. Let's get back to a team that we don't like what happened at me today.

Let's talk about the pelicans. More hate. Can we just hate on the pelicans? I'm about. to. David Griffin said a lot of words. I didn't like fucking any of them. None of them. What do you say? Okay. So, we know the issues that the Pelicans have. They had a crowded lineup of wings last year and couldn't start Trey Murphy. At media day, Trey Murphy said, I feel like I'm a

starter. I'll do whatever I need to do for the team, but I feel like I should start in this league. I agree, Trey. I concur. David Griffin was asked about log jam of players and about specifically their center situation and his he said a lot of fucking filler words but his main answer was we'll figure it out

and that's what he said verbatim my answer is we are going to figure it out and he mentioned that when you watch the Olympics and you see Germany play you can't help but notice that Daniel Tice

is guarding fives really well I want to see him do that in the NBA oh my god are you serious like the fucking starting center for Lithuania is walking through these doors

apparently he's going to start Daniel Tice as a starting five feel comfortable with it. He also mentioned maybe maybe we'll be in situations where we won't need a start a traditional five, say maybe Zano play center. It was just a lot of a lot of answers that make it make total sense of why we got

to where we are. He clearly is not prioritizing fit. His answers to the fit concerns is, hey, we'll figure it out. When you get chance to get talent, you get talent. He said Dejonte Murray is an alpha within the locker room. He said nothing to alleviate the concerns of somebody who's worried about the Pelicans

Russia construction. Having Daniel tyce as a starting center is okay when 70 80% of your competition is a bunch of gorgie dangs around like you know around the league but this is not this is not like world basketball this is the NBA we got the best players in the world here you know and to hear that they're committed to daniel tice i thought they were going to do some funky stuff and like let zan rock at center or maybe like their new rookie eve is going to be cooking some special who knows you never want to doubt them but to hear them oh wait no wait they also said we're not going to play he's missy that much to start they said they're not going to rush it because he's a rookie which is fine

no it's a totally fine comment to make unless you're starting daniel tice then you might need to rush the rookie because you might be reliant on it so they fully believe daniel tice is the starting five slash zion probably playing five which may listen i know that earlier in this in the show that I have gone off on the Knicks and saying you should have let the Knicks figure it out, right? Just let me see whatever we have and then we can figure out the center position. When it comes to the New Orleans Pelicans, I feel the complete opposite. How do you have four months and you don't figure it out? What have you been doing? What have you been thinking about? What wall have you been staring at for the last four months? Because you understand that like

this is actually a question that people have been asking for the last year. And you know that over the off season, after you trade for Dejante Murray and you don't trade Brandon Ingram and you don't trade for a center, you are going to be asked this. You need a legitimate plan. And to go in there after this has been an issue and to still say, yeah, we're going to figure it out. It's time. The season starts in three weeks. Why is this not been figured out yet? And why do you sound like, yeah, I actually forgot to get to it? He sounds like whenever I forgot to do my homework. I'd be like, yeah. I try to get it done before 4th period, but like, we'll just figure it out.

Like, I'll see what I can do. The one positive thing is, no, we mentioned a lot that we should, we are of the opinion. They should probably trade Brandon Ingram at some point because they have a need for shooting around Zion Williamson and a lot of ball handlers now and not a lot of shooting, right? Trey Murphy's their best shooter along with C.J. McCollum, I guess Cid McCollum is number one, actually. But those are two guys, and neither one of them might start this year. The coach and Brandon Ingram alike have both talked a lot about Branden Ingram up his three-point volume and becoming a major three-point

threat. Brandingram said, it's something I've been thinking about. I've always had it, but just don't do it because the mid-range looks good. I know it's important for our team succeed. I'm ready for it. That boy, an addict. Oh my God. He said the mid-range looking good. He was a demon. Yeah.

Long-toos got me going crazy. God damn. He's talking about like their drugs, bro. What's the fuck? And Willie Green talking about that. He was like, we know he likes to get to his spots, but we need him to become more of a catch-and-shoot threat, which is cool. if he does that and prioritize three point volume, that can help a lot. They also ask Zion about it, his comfortability in range.

He said he's comfortable from the mid-range right now. Three-point shot is a mental thing. He said he needs to get past always feeling like it's bad if he misses and knowing that he needs to take those shots to keep the defense honest. So maybe they're forming that works if Zion and Brandon Ingram both start up in the three-point volume and we run a lot of Zion at center so we get Tram Murphy and Herb Jones both up there together and have a really long, switchable lineup. Maybe we're just not seeing the vision.

But they need a lot of things to go right and a lot of players to completely change their identity and completely change their strengths and weaknesses. And if that happens and these players are completely changed of their identity, then maybe they're cooking. You sound completely delusional. And I commend you because that is the only way that this goddamn experiment will work. Holy shit. Now, something I will say, that's so weird. But it's going to be my very first prediction of the 2024-2015 NBA season. Okay.

You guys remember how the Chicago Bulls like had a team meeting after the first game. of the year, I believe. Yeah. I don't know if the North Pelicans will be the first, well, I have a team meeting during the first game of the season, but they're going to be one of the first teams to go ahead and have a team meeting because knowing DeJ. Murray's personality, you know, I. Williamson, Brandon Ingram, C.J. McCollum,

who tries to be a voice in the vet of the team. This is just so much going. Yeah. Just shut up, CJ. Sorry, stay in your corner. It just seems like a concoction for failure. Yeah, it's not a team that's currently set up well They have a lot of talent

In a way that didn't make sense last year But they won despite of it It was an excellent coaching job They found a way to make it work And then they proceeded to make it Make less sense than it did before They should have traded for far-inthony towns Not even though it's not like a perfect fit

But god damn like It's been reported It's been reported The fucking Timberwolves were shopping him all summer Since draft night they were talking to the Knicks For years we said that The fucking Timberwell, the pelican should get cat specifically. Not they should get a stretch five, they should get cat.

It would be perfect with Zion. You can't guard that? No, my camera overheated. Oh, there you go. Look at you. Algado parts up. Okay, I'm sure you hear me. Let me turn on this fan.

Thanks. You're all good. Everyone spam a hell camera in the chat. Thanks. But I understand, this is just such terrible stuff. Because you are asking, Brandon English, who's going into year nine of his career to change what he has done for a majority of his career. I don't know a lot of players that are able in a single offseason to change what they've been doing for the last decade.

Yeah, he's not young. He's not a year four player. Like, these are long entrenched habits. Also, year nine of Brandon Ingram? Kind of crazy. I know. Kind of crazy. But like...

Speaking of something else is kind of crazy. Let's move on from the Pelicans. Victor Woman Yama that started last season was listed at 7 foot 3 210 pounds Today he's listed at 7 foot 3 235 pounds

25 pounds of muscle added See this is This is Well I don't know if it's muscle But like What else would it be He can put on some fat Like it's fine

But like You think he's fucking eating ice cream and olive oil All day It's packing on for a movie roll What you mean? He's not you're not putting on 25 pounds of muscle in four months Is that

Isn't the beginning of last year, not over the summer. It's when to start the last year. Even then, that's still a lot of like just straight muscle. That's still wild. In a calendar year? For an 19-year-old that has a 7-foot-3 frame and very little muscle, that's not crazy. That 7-3 is a lot to just like, anyways, we're not talking about this. The thing is that, listen, he got bigger, he got stronger.

This is what greatness looks like. You understand? This is, this is where somebody who understands the demands of an NBA season, right? This is somebody who wants to be great And now it's going to be him and Chris Paul And every day that I think about it The more and more excited I get to watch San Antonio Spurs basketball

Because I think that they're going to be really good And if he can get on his like Rudy Gaubert Stuff, because Rudy Rudy, Rudy, Rudy low-key cut up. Rudy, Rudy's, yeah, Rudy's kind of strong If he can get on that wave And just be able to not get his chest caved in This is a, this is DPI-O-Y

every single year moving forward. Yeah. and he looks pretty pretty much bigger like i'll make sure you guys can see this picture with me that you got some shoulders on him now that does not look as a skinny of a guy at all as when he came in the league on that clean team yeah uh also speaking of this on the other end there's a picture of jalen green that guy has not added a single pound of muscle since he came in the league he looks exactly the same just here once again you see somebody who wants to be great you see somebody who doesn't want to be great right women's work someone said he's in

Texas on that grits and chicken fried steak diets America's treating them well oh listen you know you know how they be eating in San Antonio you know tacos chaladas churros this guzzling brisket at 9 a.m. It's crazy oh man yeah the breakfast tacos are not the most caloricly realistic breakfasts in the world he has to be sleepy eat you know eat all that I know he has to be tired. Several naps a day. Another funny thing from the Spurs Media Day is Greg Popovich talked about he's despised Chris Paul for years, which is a funny phrase for someone had to your team. And Chris Paul was asked about it.

He said, it's mutual. It's a funny storyline. I saw someone say, I saw a conference down someone said. It's very funny because everybody in the NBA has the same storyline. because like Chris Paul gets to the team and it's like, man, I hate this guy I've made him for years. And also, in Chris Paul's

washed years, he's pretty much played for every single one of his Western Commerce rivals now. Really? Yeah, he's played for seven teams and they're all in the West. Fuck, seven teams? He's played for everybody. Except for the Lakers. Yeah, except for the fucking Lakers,

which is surprising at this point. That man's been everywhere. So basically, he's made a lot of amends over the years. dude his connections must be must go crazy oh my god all his LinkedIn is fucking stacked loader

he knows thunder warriors clippers rockets and then now the spurs and the suns it's gonna be a nugget next year oh wow dang

and the clippers damn his real estate agents getting paid man the moving cost gonna be crazy shit yeah man there's that picture I'm not gonna find it right now

of uh when B and Chris Paul together, it just looks hilarious. Oh, yeah. People are meming it to death. Good vibes, though, from the Spurs. Six-P-P-V-D-D-D-D-D. Yeah. I'm excited for the Spurs.

Let's talk about another team that I'm somewhat excited for, that this is actually substantive for the league. Joel and B. has lost between 25 and 30 pounds this summer. He talked at length about he's getting in shape, and he has no agenda this year, no ego. He's not going for the MVP. He's not going for first-team-all-N-B-A. He said he's strictly preparing the season to have a healthy playoff run.

and this is precisely what people wanted him to do two years ago. People have been saying he needs to lose some weight and needs to up his conditioning and up his ability to make it through an 82-game stretch, even if it's at the expense of his single-game ability to drop 50 on any given lottery team. Good comments, right? We'll see if it sticks if he actually is available,

is playing in a fashion that isn't prioritizing where he looks he's an accolades, but it's good to hear that that's something that's gone through his head and that he knows he needs to work on. Okay. Sounds like he's fed up tired of haters like Donovan and all that I would be too because they're always right because he never is healthy The haters are up like 65 to zero right now

Yeah, it's gonna be 66 66 to 0 after this year It must be so frustrating to like just consistently fail as a superstar at his label at his level To no reason like underperforming or like your teammates not being good enough for the more most part but for them they just suck because you're not great or you're not great enough to be healthy sucks someone said that fellow's lying men don't change we got a many shit in our chat that's the first how expanding so this is the first time i believe in in bead pop i am kind of you know i'm buying six your stock i bought it last year's and obviously he's fucked them again i this combined with another year nicknors combined with paul george combined with paul george

combined with Tyrese Maxie making another leap as he gets older, I think we're in for a good six years year. Now, I did see a tweet that said, this is the third big three of Joelle and Beatt's career, he better make this shit work. And that I also think, if it doesn't work this year with an expanded focus on playoff success, which we've been asking for,

with the perfect two complimentary stars, with a great coach, then I have no more room to defend them. this is also the third big three of paul george's career um so yeah listen there's a lot on the line for philly this this year because i think like we saw last season and it wasn't even just the the scoring aspect from joel and b that we saw him take a step in his passing was phenomenal last year for him as a as a big man and him being in nicknirce's season like it really allowed something so if you can have that now with two really, really credible guys who are playing off ball, even more so

than what you have with James Harding. Because when you had, when James was there, it was really like the two-man game between James and Joelle. And last year, like, you saw Maxie and Joel get better and better at the two-man game. But if you have Joel down low and now he can kick out to Maxie and Maxie can do what he does, or you can find Paul George, like that is a situation that on paper feels like it should be unguarded. It feels like teams should have a real, real problem with it. And so I think that the Sixers are going to be good

this year. But, man, I can tell you every year, Joelle and B's going to get hurt in March. It's going to mess up his playoff front. He's going to be slow coming back. And then we're going to get to the second round, and he's going to run out of gas. And last year, it just happened

in the first round. But it happens every single year. So I have to see it to believe something else. You know what we should do? talk we should like sit down and grade how organizations built around their star players and i like and when i sit down and think about joel and bide the sixers they're not flawless of course they pay tobias harrison chose to get rid of jimmy butler but outside of that they've done damn near a stellar job and tried their best to maximize on everything of course like jimmy bole the thing sucks missed out on mccall bridges for zaire smith sucks

But overall, they've done their absolute best to try to reconvene and maximize what they got left out of these broken parts around them. No, they've been dealt to bad hand with injuries and with just like swings and misses. Markell Fulton's Iyer-Williams weren't bad choices. You know, they had a lot of potential and were highly touted. It wasn't insane at the time. Delta bad hand there. Obviously the Ben Simmons fall apart, Delta bad hand, the James Hardin shit.

Who can control him and... I guess Daryl More you can control it. Never mind. I mean, I'll say that. But they'd give them themselves a lot of things. I sit down and think about the 2018 draft, and they should have took Zaira Smith because McCau Bridges and mom at the time

worked for the Philadelphia 76ers. Just won a championship. Zaris Smith was not supposed to be a lottery pick. He was supposed to be, like, mid to late first round pick. What do you mean? Zyr Smith, not Williams. Zire Smith, the athletic shooting guard. Nah, no, he was not.

I don't remember him being projected like that. But regardless of fact, the storyline was there. floor guy for sure though but I know what you mean he's a less say he was a less safe pick seemingly was there yeah all right let's talk about another team let's talk about the third team in the last three years to go through the Russell Westwick experience it is going precisely as it has every other year in the Denver Nuggets media day Russell Westwick said on his unique skill set and fit in Denver versus previous stops to be honest my skill set was unique that he didn't put me in position to be unique I was in a position where I was

not playing my position coach Malone is allowing me to use my speed Man, broken up the fucking record. How many days have you seen this? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, please, please, please. Can either you tell me what is Russell Westbrook's position? What does he want? He wants to have the ball in his hands, and he wants to run the second unit with his speed. He wants to play Russell Westbrook basketball, where he runs pick and rolls,

he runs a transition, he sets up open shooters, and he's allowed to be the point guard. He wants to be vintage Russell Russo-Rusbrook. And for many reasons, that hasn't been the case as in recent years. In his mind, it's because teams haven't put him in that position. I think if you ask those teams, it's because he's no longer skilled enough with the ball in his hands to warrant those positions being prioritized. What do you guys think about the Nugget situation?

Do you feel like they can really benefit from Russ playing Russ basketball at the second unit? I think they can. I think that they are so devoid of anything credible or proven on their bench at this point that, like, having Russ in there can actually give them. them a spark. And I think that if you have a lot of, a lot of young guys and a lot of youth on your bench, having Russ being able to go in there and, like, lead the second unit might be kind of helpful for them. I don't, I don't think that, I mean, there were stretches in,

in LA where he played pretty well. Like, I don't need MVP Russell, Russell Westbrook. We'll see if Michael Malone can kind of rain all of this energy in and, you know, when you say LA, yeah. And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and. And, and. And, you'll see, Michael Malone can kind of rain all of this energy in. And, he. We'll see. We'll be. We'll, And, yeah, I don't speak on, like I said, I don't move. It does not exist. Yeah. But we've seen him play well in stretches in, you know, for the Clippers. As long as Michael Malone make sure that it's like, hey, Russell, you're the point guard for us.

And you have to do what we need to do rather than us going on the Russell Westbrook revenge tour for the next year, that I think that we're going to be okay. And so I think that there's some, there's some upsides to it. Yeah. Russell Westbrook wants Coach Michael Malone to have given the ability to run the offense and put the ball in his hands. And I want 840 y'all watching this live stream to go ahead and get this live stream 840 likes. If that going to happen, no. I think you're going to give me Russell Westbrook's treatment and not let me get what I want. I don't believe in you guys.

Just like I don't believe in Russell Westwood at this point of his career. I believe in him to some degree. it's just like I think the degree in which you can get a return from Russ Westbrook on your team is just far lower than he imagines it and I think he's shown times of buy-in but every time he buys in and does what team wants we get reports like four months later that he wasn't fucking happy about it and then at this moment he gets his next team and he's like man then let me do what I want like he'd be applaud him for for buying in and then when he complains about it later we were like yeah he should complain like pick one is he going to be this buying team guy or does he want to play Russ ball like he's he always has and it's fake for the clippers we saw him have a good stretch when you first got there where like donvan mentioned he provided something that they needed in that spacing and passing i'm not spacing and that uh speed and passing and then they got james hardin and immediately it didn't work anymore because you have one more ball handler and you don't have a need for that i guess the nuggets are closer to that first clipper stage where they did they actually need that

ball handler that it can work but again how long if they make a trade and get another backup because even with Russ, they need more there. Then what? They bring one more guy in and now it's like, ah shit, we're not perfectly tailored for Russell Westbrook. And if Russell Westbrook, even if it is perfectly tailored, if he is not playing at the peak of his abilities right now, it's not going to look pretty.

Like, everything has to be right to get a little bit out of him at this point. And I'm not sure the juice is always worth the squeeze. I think, well, yeah, it's not always worth it. I think it's worth it if you're the nuggets because you have... Yeah, for minimum, why not, right? Yeah, yeah. And again, this is back-to-back seasons that you've had key people walk out of that building. And a big part of the reason why you lost last year was because the people that you had in-house weren't able to step up.

And they were able to replace the players that walked out of that door and fill that role. Maybe if you just switch up, this is another instance of like of the sons bringing in Tice Jones. They weren't good at shooting threes, but they fixed another problem. but you still have issues on your threes. The nuggets don't shoot that many threes, right? Yeah, pretty pretty loud. Exactly, they brought in Russell Westberg who does that. He does not do that.

He is not a shooter. So you are kind of adding to that problem. However, you did need some more playmaking. You did need some more juice. So it makes sense for them just to cross one thing off of their list in terms of them saying, okay, we addressed at least one of our issues this offseason. Good for them. I hope it works.

We'll see. For your case's sake, I hope it works. I find the media cycle of it all to be hilarious that I'm not completely out on him having a role in the league and finding a place. The Nuggets could be a place that works. I'm not exactly sure, but it's just the mental gymnastics we do every time

the conversation comes and the amount of babying that gets done and back patting, it's so weird. Russell Westbrook's all-time teammate lists is absolutely insane. He's played like with like seven or something like that of the top 30 players of all time. That's pretty awesome. It's good for sure.

Hadesie. Good for you. Yolkyn. Yolkidj. God damn. AD. A.D. This is long. Yeah.

Right, man. That's the end of our media day stories I'll talk about. Now it's time for something that you're all here for. We're going to do a draft. and this time we're going to do a fun draft we've never done before this is going to be a draft of only players who have a name that's also a color

like white, brown, green, blue, whatever colored names okay, okay, who's the first pick? The draft order is Donovan, me, Moe, this should be a good one. This one is honestly extremely difficult. Like finding the names was hard. Like there's not as many as you would think there is.

It was. Alright, with my first pick, Donovan, who would be in the first? With my first pick, give me Jamon Brown. Interesting, okay, so we want to go with the score first? Cool. Okay, you boy put me a small forward? Yeah. Okay.

I'm going to go positional scarcity here. The bigs are horrible. Give me Draymond Green at center. Damn it! Building around having no big is going to be terrible. okay yeah you're right it is scary

it is looking really bleak and scary from there on out but screw that you know me go ahead and give me the talent

so at my shooting guard give me Derek white Derek white okay and then he fits it everybody

yeah yeah exactly can't go wrong and then did we agree on Derek Rose being I don't know

I said raise the color Domvin didn't like it so I don't know if it I'm gonna like it If I didn't have like an adjective type of color You know

If we let Rose in I guess you open the door for a lot of other ones That are like Foods and shit So I don't know what do you Chat should we allow Rose as a color Yeah let them be live judges Yes someone says

W underscore out rose is an actual color Derek Rose Roses is French for pink They're saying yeah Donvin what do you think I vote no because then Mo gets them Okay you're a bastard for that If you would have him

We were allowed it We're not saying yeah Yeah Okay there we go So yeah I guess I'm picking Rose from I guess

Derek Rose is my point guard Off to a great start Shout out to the chat Yeah D Rose probably should have went first I did forget about him After I mentioned it earlier Woo

Let's go I said Rose A should be allowed But no rose is a color Okay You know what Let me pair up Ooh. Damn.

Okay. Let me make the Golden State collection. Give me Clay Thompson. Clay, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Clay is a color. Wait, wait, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, chat. I hate you. I thought, no, no, I were allowed

because I was about to make the same thing. I didn't know you knew about that one. Is play a color? Chats, is play a color. It is. It is never in my life. It actually is, I looked at it up. Listen, I looked it up before this.

There are several colors on Sherwin-Williams website that use clay in it. That is true. When you were you to Sherwin-Williams as a age year? Yep, yep, yeah. That is before we started. Sherman Williams is one of the premier leaders in color. What are we talking about? What's the last time you walked into a Sherwin-Williams and be like,

I haven't, listen, I haven't painted anything in my house in a long time. But if you need paint, go to Sherwin-Williams, what are you talking about? Okay. We're going to do. Guys, guys, guys, guys, chat. No, relax, relax. We mentioned before the stream. that we can do homophones

so it can be spelled differently and Clay C-L-A-Y is undeniably a color Clay-calf. I understand. I'm on your side. I'm talking to- chat.

Chad's understanding. We're not, the cave doesn't matter. We mentioned let's say, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, homophones count.

Okay. Wow. Okay. Okay. Well, at this point, at this point, my team is about getting buckets. I don't care about fit.

So, at my three, Give me, well, as you know, so I'm Jaden Brown at my, at my three. At my two, give me Michael Red. Okay. And then at my one, at my one, give me Kobe White. Okay, Kobe White. It was very solid.

I'm going to pick an old head pick here. Give me the Hall of Famer, Jojo White at my point guard. There we go. Eight-time All-Star in the 19th. I watched one highlight of him when I was like 15 years old Congratulations I don't know a fucking thing about his game but he's a hall of Famer and he's talent chat over here saying pick click curry curry curry curry curry Curry's a color too we're not that nasty we mentioned before we're not gonna let curry go through

that's a bit of a reach because if you like curry go through like macaroni's a color like you can call any food of color if you want to like curry through I was just gonna say I would have taken stuff If we allowed Curry I did chat I did ask about this Pre-stream because I wanted to make sure Let me see LeBron James

LeBron James It's also my favorite NBA player Macaroni Yeah I was like Where is he going out with the macaroni thing Salmon is a color Like we're not going to like If you get into foods

Everything's a color Really? Bologna a color? I don't know, salmon. Salmon's a color, isn't it? But is baloney a color? What the fuck?

No, I don't know. Man, make the pick. I can go out. Chat is cheating right now. They're telling me to go in and pick Kevin Garnett. Because Garnett is a color. Okay, well, you got to have to do it.

You got a from chat to. What's mean? You just had chat. Who made that law? You made that law. Are we going to allow him to cheat with Chad? We don't, we don't know. We don't look at chat to get our picks.

No. Like that. This. This. Fear of the game. What do you mean? A spirit of the game. Take your fucking eyes off, chat.

Kevin Garnett is now banned. No, we can't do that. What do you mean? We absolutely. You were able to get it. The thing is you could have just picked Kevin Garnett, but you acknowledged you cheated and got it from chat. So you can't have it now.

Me being an honest man, that's all it is. And if you're an honest man right now, I'm trying to cheat at our face? That doesn't agree. The majority doesn't agree what you guys are saying right now. Oh, fuck them. Wow. Chad, do you guys hear that?

Automatically, I should win. But you know what? It's okay. So, for my center, if I cannot pick Kevin Garnett, which is wrong, you guys are jackasses. Go ahead and give me Jamichael Green. I need to stretch five. Jamichael Green, okay. Yeah, those are completely clucked on that in the court.

Okay. Give me Jaylon and then. Am I small forward? Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, sorry, sir. Aw, he duke. Sorry. No. No.

No. Damn, chat spell L. Isaac. Oh, my goodness. He just sold like a mug. That's what you get for taking camera gunnet away from me. Jalen Rose, congratulations. You are the small Ford for my. team. Come on here,

buddy. Let's get it rocking. Were you going to pick him? No. No. Oh my God. You forgot about him. Fuck! I want to go double rows. That's shameless. Man, man, man, man. I'm in a terrible position.

You're too excited. Give me Danny Green, I suppose. Woo! Double DG. We're 35. Let's do it. All right, we're going to fill this out. Give me, at my four, give me Jeff Green. Give me Uncle Jeff Green.

Ah. And then at my five, give me the infamous. Give me Kwame Brown. Wow. Okay. Yep, yep. Damn. I don't know who to pick here because I'm out of bodies that make sense for these positions.

Oh, all right, man. Give me Bruce Brown, I guess. Bruce Brown, your power forward. Okay, your team is. He played the four a little before. You know, it could. This is terrible. You are getting no rebounds.

You know what? Now looking at the list of names that I have left, I'm kind of fried, too. You're saying my team is small as fuck. Mo has fucking Jamichael Green. At least I have Draymond. Don't pretend I'm the only small team here. They're the same size.

Jamichael's even taller, actually. What are you talking about? One's the greatest undersized defender of all time, and one is just Jamichael Green. We're talking about height. You said Jamichael Green is smaller. No, he's not. I didn't matter. I didn't say that.

I didn't say, no, you did. I said at least I have Dramong Green. I said at least I have Dramon Green who plays big. Like, I actually do have to side with Mo on this one. Your team plays smaller. Draymond Green plays bigger. This is not debatable. The Michael Green.

Green has played center throughout his You have Derek Rose and Dwight that Derek White your team is smaller I'm not gonna pretend you don't have shorter players I'm looking about the bigs

you're moving the dope right now what are you talking about when I said that I meant overall your team is smaller who are your guards I have Jojo White

who I don't fucking know how tallies actually and Clay Thompson 6 6th congrats to Clay Thompson I'm being let me see let me see this

Joe white stuff yeah I thought he's I think he's very small actually I think I lost if he's very small yeah Joe White

He's the same high as Derek Rose. He's six three. There you go. Same high as Derek Rose. Clay's bigger than Derek White. Dremont plays bigger than Michael Green. I'm taking it. Congrats.

No, you're not. My team is still frying yours. I didn't say my team was better. I'm just denying the small. You want to talk about being small while also like having ability to just be big at the same time? I need, I'm thinking outside the box. I don't need physical big. Can you play like you're big?

I need someone who has. Givert. Give me Girl Green at my four. I love that you were feeling to say Gerald, right. I love it. It's me, bro. Why do you say it like that? I don't know. It's just beat into me, bro. Who taught you? I don't know. Whatever announced that I used to watch whenever he would play on a Thursday night.

Atlanta. There was an Isaac don't crash out. this is often this is the worst what's the worst what's it seems my team oh we forgot

jaden ivy I didn't forget jane and ivy I don't want jade and ivy I didn't forget him okay nobody picked Jalen green

I didn't forget to me there yeah I could have picked you we could have taken Adam Silver he just calls

he's 66 That would have been funny as hell. I wish I could put them on my team. If I had an opportunity to, I would talk about Gil Green for Adam. We're going to take in Josh Green, Troy Brown, Jr.? I didn't forget any of these guys, but no, thank you. Yeah. So I have Joe Joe White, Clay Thompson, Danny Green, Bruce Brown, and Draymond Green.

Why you sound sad? Why the fuck would I be happy? This team was horrible. I have Kobe White, Michael Red, Jalen Brown, Jeff Green, Kwame Brown. Okay. I got Derek Rose, Derek White, Jalen Rose, Gerald Green, and Jeff Green. So you got Derek Brown. You mean Joe Michael.

Oh, my bad, yeah. Yeah, Jeff is on my team. I don't know who has the best team. Because Mo has the best player. He got Derek Rose. I don't know how we let him slip to three. And Derek White's great. but your three through five is horrible

Donovan's is pretty balanced I guess my team is just role players Your team has no actual action Show me someone who could break down Oh Joe White Hall of Famer Nice I have a balanced team With certified stamped bucket getters

My team is my team is the best You call me around Donovan's team might be the best His team is like You have a 1 through 5 Oh, we don't have a one through five. Exactly. Oh, my God.

Do you have the right point? Do you not remember Jamichael Ream playing the backup five for the Denver Nuggets? This is not something you should be gloating about it. It was horrible, but he played it, though. They just used it. The bigger problem with yours is Gerald Green at the Power Forward. What do you have against Gerald Green at the Power Forward? He's a shooting guy.

He's not going to have a defense. He's big. What you mean? He's bigger than Bruce Brown? this is a fight between y'all my team is the best y'all green is like a million times worse for defender than bruce brown yeah but he's a three-point shooter and also he has the hops to match to make up for the defense so

all right well i don't see jane ivy blocking shots he has plenty of hops i don't think that matters jane and ivy doesn't have plenty of a lot of me that's why he didn't get picked up yeah donovan has someone said doma has the best team he has quammy brown y'all are cooked facts To what is I tell you? Nah, Derek. I got Derek Rose, man. My team would be elite if I had a point guard that was good.

Like, if I had this thing. Guys, guys, Streets is saying Yolkich is Serbian for blue. We messed up. I saw that. Somebody was also saying that Donchich is Serbia is Bolivian for yellow. I was like, I can't fact check this. I know they're lying.

They're truly trolling at that point. Wait, what if it's not? I just want to look it up. It might be true. I just like, I don't know if we get into different languages, this is going to be a crazy draft. Yeah, not. No, it's like her crazy.

It's plava. Mm. That's a Serbian. Plava. That's blue. Mm. Or something today. Man,

I caught myself arguing who has a bigger team between Bruce Brown and Gerald Green an absolutely useless argument in this world. For what are you going to ever miss that? Yeah, never. to be the last time. For what? For the love of the game.

Chat said I was wrong and they're right, but I'm arguing just to argue. This is entirely meaningless arguments. Chat was under the impression that I thought this was a logical argument. I did not. And you know what? That's the end of the stream. Appreciate y'all rocking with us. Recapping all the NBA Media Day.

Capping it off with the worst draft into your history. It was a fun one. Stay tuned this week for the next. next episode, come back next Tuesday for the next draft. And man, basketball's back. And so are we. Finally. I needed this, man. So bad. We needed this.

Donovan, we're going to put you on a solo Oh, Donovan, you have to hit it. Please big screener. Hit him with it. Come on. Hit him with it. Yes, sir! Let's go! Clip that, chat, clip that. Tweet it at me.