The Deep 3 Podcast - Grading Every NBA Offseason Trade + 2023 NBA Draft Reaction! | Ep. 42

Episode Date: June 23, 2023

We graded every NBA trade from this WILD offseason, plus we live reacted to the 2023 NBA Draft! #nba Sign up for Underdog Fantasy today with promo code "TD3" to double your first deposit! ⬇️ https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-the-deep3 Join the TD3 Discord!: https://discord.gg/e63QYQYrVA Listen on Spotify!: https://open.spotify.com/show/3elbbqVumwqz8wlIdknsLW Listen on Apple Podcasts!: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-deep-3-podcast/id1657940794 Follow us on TikTok!: https://www.tiktok.com/@thedeepthree Follow us on Instagram!: https://www.instagram.com/thedeep3podcast/ Isaac's twitter: https://twitter.com/byisaacg Muhamed's twitter: https://twitter.com/Mojo99_ Donnavan's twitter: https://twitter.com/Dsmoot3D 0:00- Spurs pick Wembanyama 6:20- Hornets take Miller 13:10- Scoot to Portland, what are they doing? 21:57- Picks 4-8 36:59- Picks 9-14 44:13- Grading trades: Beal to Phoenix 1:00:11- Grading trades: CP3 to Warriors 1:17:02- Grading trades: Porzingis to Boston 3 teamer 1:32:47- TikTok segments Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

So it is currently 908 Pacific time, Thursday night. The NBA draft is still going on. It's the second round that's happening right now where we're recording this. But I wanted us to get in here and do an immediate reaction to the first round. Talk about y'all's biggest surprises, biggest disappointing picks, all of that. Where should we start? We got to start with Big Vic. I mean, he's like, listen, he's the number one pick.

We've been on this for about two years now. He's finally, like, officially a San Antonio Spur. I think everybody's happy. I think at this point, everybody's just excited to see him out on the floor there's been like talk of him you know playing in some league like is he going to play is he not going to play i think he i think he is like actually going to play in some league that's going to be a show whenever he starts off but i i was actually happy it seemed like like the NBA finally has like a prospect that they're like hey this is the guy everybody's all in i've seen very minimal like hate or doubting of a victor and it's just like this guy's up next and now out like tonight was just a coronation for him yeah nobody actually watches him play basketball and thinks he won't be a star only people that hate are the people there just like sick of seeing people say he's as good as lebron so they just like feel the need to be contrarians and be like

oh he can't be that good but like nobody has any actual opinions negative about him the only negative opinion that i've seen out there about him is like oh you skinny how's he gonna guard joll and necola yelkits and that like the skinny big man discusses conversation that's like so worn out but yeah we're like yeah i haven't seen any like real hate towards him whatsoever and i feel like this everyone understands like i don't i think even with zion a lot of people had like random concerns warranted like you know what i'm saying they're seeing them now about like it's health and stuff like that but like i think victors like a lot of people people are treating him like he's almost a fra a flawless prospect

And it kind of is to some extent. Like, it's obviously, like, it's been talked about at lengths. We don't have to repeat what things everybody has said. But, like, in terms of what you want from a modern big man, he has everything. People were comparing him. Like, I saw there was a graphic on ESPN the other day in their latest mock draft before the actual draft happened. And it had, like, the best case scenario and the worst case scenario for each prospect.

Best case scenario said Kevin Durant on offense and Kevin Garnett on defense. The worst case scenario said taller Anthony Davis. if Anthony Davis was seven foot five he'd be a god like that's the worst case scenario being seven for five it's crazy he's he's mad tall and his suit his suit I had like the top half

first of all his entire suit looked like it was like a skinny fit type of suit and his his pants was still so baggy like he's so skinny he's so slim but I think I feel like over the last two weeks And as we've gotten closer to the draft, like, there was all this hyperbole about everything that Vic can do and like what he's going to, you know, do for the spurs and, you know, revolutionize kind of, you know, what the, what the next generation of, like, basketball players can look like. But at the same time, I think we've gone a step in the right direction and pulling back from these expectations.

Like, there was some conversations months ago with it, like, if he's not an all-time great, he's a, you know, he's a failure, right? If he doesn't win rookie of the year, MVP in his first year, he's a failure, he's a bust this and that. I think we've gone in the right direction and saying like, hey, he's 19 years old, right? Like, it's still good as we think he's going to be, it's still going to take a little bit of time. And so I think that's actually progress for NBA Twitter or like for NBA hive. So that's, yeah. So I think that's like, that's probably the most positive thing I could take out of this whole like big experience. So you feel the way now, but what season starts?

Oh, true. If he has Alonzo ball type first game Where he gets punked by a veteran that has 80 pounds on him That's true All of that idiotic discourse is coming right back He didn't score 35 night one He's a fucking bum It's gonna happen

Yeah Listen The Lee has to put him up against Joelle and B night one Oh my god Just to just so that like the bar can be set low And then it's nothing but up from there No I need Stephen Adams I need him to go against not a marquee player

Just a really big strong motherfucker just like the opposite of him. Y'all are insane. Y'all are insane. An interesting part of the discourse that I've been seeing is like everyone's saying, oh, we haven't seen a player like this ever before, which is like true. But at the same time, we've seen like similar archetypes. And then I saw someone tweet out, yeah, we have.

And then they posted a picture of Volvo. And I was just thinking about it in my head. Like, yeah, we've seen like just random like humongous big men who can like do elite dribbling. moves and stuff like that but just because you can do it don't mean anything like there was the donovan i'm sure you saw a video of mitchell robinson doing the most craziest driven moves oh like on snatchet or something like that bro like he's insane with it but that don't mean anything and that goes for like you know so we've seen the bull bulls you've seen the thorn makers of the world and stuff like that but the key differences between like them and victory

one banyama is like first off like his ball handling is that he could do it in game is od like he literally moves like a guard and he gets extremely low when he dribbles like the exactly the wiggle he has is ridiculous yeah most these big guys like bowl bowl is not a fast person he's tall and he moves like he's tall vick dribbles and moves like with the smoothness of the hips and everything like he's six eight he looks like jason taiton when he dribbles it's crazy And yeah, like you said, he's athletic as hell. Like that putback dunk in the three-point line just got a lot of, you know, like buzz and virality from that. But that's like even outside of the fact that it's a put-back dunk, the sheer capabilities of covering that much ground and that much time can apply to so many other scenarios.

It's just ridiculous. Yeah, he's, he's him, San Antonio, they got a good one. And like, I'm very excited to see, you know, what's going down with him. I think that was, we've known for basically two years that he was going to be the first. first overall pick. Yeah. So the interesting part of the draft really came at two and three because we've been going back and forth for months on if the Hornets were going to take Brandon Miller, if they

were going to take Scoot Henderson. And they end up, you know, Charlotte ends up taking Brandon Miller. Poilin ends up taking Scoot Henderson. And that in itself was on entire discourse that we can get into, you know, trying to figure out like what the Blazers were going to do. But how do you feel about Brandon Miller going to over School Henderson? I mean I almost felt to my knees when I was live streaming on the like when I saw it happen I was like there's no way like they're this dumb you know if I was but then again I dropped like a slight hint of truth I was like yo but if I'm MJ I'm nuking this place and I'm making the terrible thing I'm making the wrong pick just so I can like throw my deuce's up and just walk I like that but I didn't like it it's not a terrible pick huh what does he gain from that nothing he gains absolutely nothing it's So I'm leaving that organization in shambles.

Like, if you're going to... Spite. Yeah, just not a spike. He doesn't get anything. You're not like a person if you think like that. But it's not about that. But I don't think it's a terrible pick, but I don't think it's the right pick. He's a great.

Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, I feel the same way. Like, everybody agrees. Nobody on Twitter thinks it was the right move. Everybody has been saying for the past few weeks when it's been like very clear they're going to pick Miller the whole time. Everyone's been like, this is a crazy fucking fumble. What are they doing? I think people have gone a little bit.

too far with it. People are acting like they drafted Denny Avdiha over him, or like Scoot is like Steph. Like, Brandon Miller is a great prospect. It's not like they drafted a bum over a surefire top two player in the world. Like, I would have picked Scoot too. I think the concerns over fit when you're at the point

where you're at with Charlotte where they have like one good young player, you shouldn't be drafting for fit. But if you're going to do that, Miller makes a lot of sense next to LaMello. He's at least in the same stratosphere of a talent as Scoot. Like is the, I guess, like like most said, the wrong pick but it's not absurd people like don't know how to talk about you know what it is people on twitter are lower on brandon miller than like the general consensus and people don't know how to be lower on a player without like hating them and they have to like immediately go the complete opposite

way and be like oh he's fucking bum he's not going to do anything if they're going to ruin the day they didn't pick scoot i think brandy millers would be a pretty good player i think they'll be fine yeah he's fine he's fine i think i think another part of is at the same time we you know kind of knew that Vic was going to be the first of all pick. For the last year and a half, we've kind of been told that, like, hey, Scoot Henderson would be the number one pick in the draft if it wasn't for Vic. And so now that, like, Charlie gets there and it's a deviation from the norm, now everyone's like, oh, my God, like, they're losing their mind because they've been conditioned to think

that Scoot Henderson is, like, sure fired the second best player in the world and would be, you know, the first pick if it wasn't for this generational talent prospect that is Vic. So I think it's okay I also think that it's the Charlotte Hornets So any pick that they make I'm probably going to assume that it's the wrong one Because they have outside of Lamello They have one of the worst draft histories

Especially under MJ They have a track record of drafting the wrong guy At number two And so that's probably Like that Knowing that this is MJ's last draft there's nothing to me that says oh yeah he made the he made the right choice and charlotte themselves were on the fence they they were bringing these guys in for multiple workouts brandon miller

had a bad first workout according to them they didn't really know what to do even though that they said leading up to the draft that brandon miller was kind of the guy for them it still felt like a shot in the dark and it felt like they were doing the wrong thing like most said it wasn't a bad pick but it was probably the wrong pick for them just because just because just because Because also, like you said, you're at a point where you don't have a full core. And so you should just take the best player available and figure it out. Exactly. You know, I feel like when it comes to like the overall conversation of do you draft for fit or do you draft for like the best player available, it entirely depends on what status your team is at.

And for a team like this, Charlotte Hornets, who are shameless, they're just, they're just not a good team whatsoever. Well, they actually weren't that bad. They had a couple, like, you know, surprising performances and stuff like that. But overall, like, in terms of young teams and where they stand at, they're towards the bottom. No one believes in, like, what they're building right now. And if you're a team like that, then teams, in this instance, you need to go for purely, like, talent and figure everything else out later. And I feel like the fit between them wouldn't have been that bad. Yeah, it wouldn't have been that bad.

And also, Scoot's probably going to be better than Lamello. Like to pass on him Maybe they disagree Maybe they got him in their building They scouted him more than we have Maybe they just think Brandon Miller's just as good And can play with Lamello

But I think most of the NBA world Belize Scoot can be as good Or probably better than Lamello So I wouldn't let the presence of Lamello ball Prevent you from not getting that Because even if It doesn't end up being the case And they're comparable

Look what the Kings did They drafted the point guard With Tyrese Halliburton And then when they got to the point Where they realized It's not going to work You got to make a choice they traded one and they got an all-star back

like there's always moves to be made in the future you're not handcuffed with two guards that don't fit forever yeah exactly that's the best way to put it and so it just feels like a very Charlotte move yeah you know the moment the moment the draft lottery came out and we knew Charlotte was that too

immediately people were like oh they're not gonna fucking take scoop they're stupid like it is what it is yeah it was expected and they did exactly what we all thought they do and you're still and you're still surprised because you look at them and you're like you can't be like this much of who you are right like like at a certain point you have to just listen to us for one time you've been we've been laying you do what you whatever you want to do we've been laying you cook for 13 years please trust us on this one take the take scoot take the better talent and and keep it moving and they just refuse but to be fair brandon miller is going to be a really cool fit with a mellow like having a he what do you want next to your star point guard every team in the league wants a six eight wing that can create off the dribble and play off ball and defend decent amount.

Brandon Miller is all that. Maybe he doesn't have like the top 10 player in the world's ceiling of scoot, but he does feel a need that every team is searching for high and wide. Like it's impossible to find those guys. So if you have the position where you really believe in your young star point guard, you can get him that I do a running mate. You can get him a Jalen Brown or Paul George Light, Brandon Ingram, whatever. It's not the worst thing in the world.

Yeah. Absolutely not. I think they'll be fine. but like I don't know the draft started after number two and we can talk about number three and the Portland Trailblazers are selecting Scoot Henderson Alice you sound so sleepy yeah he really he really does because and he should be he should be he should be about the he should be sleeping he should be sleeping on Portland I think what Portland did was worse than what Charlie did oh I that mean I I I think Portland did I I think Portland did

did, by them picking Scoot and not making any other moves, I think that was the worst scenario for them. I think, I think it was, I think it was the dumbest scenario. I think if they think that pairing scoot with Damien Lillard is a way for them to be competitive or a way for them to build, like, moving forward or even try to get to that win now state that they've been talking about all summer, that's the wrong move. They either should have, if they wanted to keep the pick and draft Scoot, dame has to go

like that that just that just has to it has to be yeah and and if they and if they do then I like to pick if they start the season with Damian Lillard and Scoot Henderson on the roster I think it was the wrong pick because I don't think their timelines match up I think you you need to pick a side yeah I agree I am on board with you that they need to trade Damien Lillard

and force a restart and say sorry man you're the go of our franchise but take a fucking hike I agree but they should have did that last year. They didn't, and they still got a top three pick. So they have their cake and they're eating it too. They're keeping their franchise goat happy. He's there. They're not ruining that relationship with the fans.

But they're still rebuilding. They're still getting top three pigs. They have now Shaden Sharp, Scoot Henderson. Like, that's a star of a young core. So if they can do both and just like force Damon Lloyd to play with young guys and not, they're not going to contend. Clearly they're not trying to contend. If they were, they would have traded the pick.

So at this point, I think they're just rebuilding with Dave. dame's not good enough to make them not rebuild so i don't even think it matters but if you it i think that does matter because you're going to do what like let's say a team like the warrior's done you know not to say like jonathan maine coming is going to be a star moody moses moody's going to be star anything like that but there are plenty examples that shown that have been around the past where like because of the veteran town that you have now naturally like the rookiesner team and their town are going to be suppressed and so i assume like there's no way that they're going to be

there's no way that they're going to be playing together in my mind like that's just like I'll be shocked I don't think that though I think they will like I said they're straddling they're trying to do what the Warriors did and rebuilding while contending except they know they're not real contenders they're just putting on the facade to keep Lillard happy but really they're just rebuilding because even they're going to start they're probably going to start together and I don't even think it's the

worst fit in the world you have one guard who's an incredible outside shooter pick and roll threat and you have another guard who is an incredible passer and penetrator like those skills complement each other lillard can do things off ball while scoop gets his touches and like they don't have that stake yes okay on on paper on paper you say that and it and it fits you also have to remember that one of these guys is 19 years old and just like he's he's he's a rookie and unless you think that he's going to come in and be one of the best what 35 players in the league or something like that that fit is not going to help portland get to where get to where they want to go and i'm only judging the blazers because i don't believe in the blazers moving

forward like i don't they're not they're not a credible team they didn't they can't make the playing they can't be in the top 10 in the west and so but let's say if they start this they start this year with lillard simons and henderson as there as the as the as the three guys right one of and sharp one of them has to go like one one of them has to go i think that they should either trade dame maybe even trade simons to get just a little bit more depth and really go all in on this um on this two man back court but to have those three guys in the back court to have that that rotation i think it's a it's a really big mistake and i think for portland the reason why i think it's so bad is because it exemplifies everything that that they've been over the last five

years which is you're really an NBA purgatory you're not good enough right you're not good enough to be a true contender you're not bad enough to be well I guess I well they listen that's what I'm saying but hold up but but they got lucky they got lucky they weren't supposed to get three right the odds to get five or something right the may I forget I forget with the original odds were either way they're a bottom 10 team the league while keeping their goat like I see what you're saying but it's under the assumption that they want to contend And they're going to say that, but they know they're not going to, and they're just going to continue to be shit, even though they have Lillard. Like, in the day, they're not going to be mid.

Like, you're saying the worry is maybe they're just going to be mid and get themselves out of the lottery odds and stuff. But they're not going to be. They suck. Like you're saying, their roster doesn't make sense. They're a trash team. They're going to continue to rebuild even though they have name. That's the point. That's the, that's the point is that even at that point, you are holding yourself back from a rebuild.

But they're not. They got to talk to you. it's working no no but you if you have if you have dam if you truly want want to rebuild and you have a 31 year old damien lillard who can who can go and get you another hall of picks and really really kick this this uh rebuild into overdrive you're doing yourself a little bit of a disservice by keeping them there and not fully exploring all the options that you have yeah see the deeper part of that is limiting the touches that scoot will have and and for you Simons and Shadden and Sharpen.

That's where I'm like, I heavily disagree whether if they decide to go ahead and roll it out. Yeah, you get a top three pick in your ass regardless, but like what top of ass are you? There's two types of ass. We all know this. It's not really talked about. Break it down for him. First top of ass. Break down the multiple types of ass to me.

First top of ass, Houston Rockets. He ain't got nothing good going on. Bibes are terrible. And then another good, a good type of ass is a team that like, you know, they don't have a lot good going on but the vibes are tremendous the veterans are there who don't take up too much space and all that in the team that would yeah exactly i could i would say like the irlando magic or you would say like the detroit pistons or someone of that nature who's like there's a real trajectory for them uplifting themselves rather than like playing

this weird ass waiting game or like okay like ha ha scoo gets 25 minutes one night and he only gets up like eight shot and that like that even alone like messes with the player's psyche and their ability to develop to their fullest potential you know for sure yeah so that's what i'm like i'm so off that that makes sense yeah at this point they're they're a slim a slim thick team yeah yeah it's not even not not even not even not what they got flat back just a long back just a long back all right man yeah none of us really agree with the with the route they're going i'm kind of just like whatever as long as it ends up i'm i'm over it i'm over all all the damon lillard talk we do this every single year i please don't nobody should report on damon lillard until he gets

traded i don't care if he says he wants to stay i don't even care if he says he wants to leave until wolder sham says hey he's not going to be playing for the portland trailblazers do not contact my phone because I'm so sick and tired of it. They did all of this posture like, oh, we're trying to get, we're trying to get, bam. We might try to get Zion in the room. Are we going to trade number three in and Simon? Y'all weren't, y'all weren't about anything. You're just an unsirious franchise.

I hate that all that stuff was fake as hell. We'll go ahead and during the draft season. Yeah, he was like, I talked to all GMs. No one said anything about Zion Williamson. He is not in the room. Rumors go crazy. The only thing that Roche said is that they want Scoot and want to move up. He didn't say they're going to give up one of their stars.

So they try to be unsurious and be like, we'll give you anything you want besides the two stars. And those teams were like, be fucking for real. Like, you got to get into it. They're trying to run this like it's a fantasy league. Like, just, just lying. I can't stand it. I'm done with the Blazers. I can't stand there.

Asked for Bamarabai was the most irritating thing ever to, too. That's a way to get blocked. That's hilarious. That's hilarious. Yeah. I mean, we got a few more big pickups to talk about. The next pick is obviously Amin Thompson goes to Houston, which I love.

I'm the biggest Amin Thompson fan in the world. I think he's the number three prospect in this draft. I think he'll be better than Brandon Miller. I think he's going to be a 6-7 Rondo. And if he can start to shoot a little bit, he's going to be a super soldier. He's going to be ridiculous. He's the most athletic player in the draft besides the scoot

and however you want to qualify Wemby. He's a non-human. But he's incredible. athletic. One of the fastest people I've ever seen move. His quickness is absurd. He's a passing genius and has like really good vert at the rim. I don't see any world where he doesn't become a really good player. And pairing that passing slashing specialist next to Jalen Green, I think will help him so much not having to be the only guy in these on ball picking roles. You can free him from the shackles of Kevin Porter and actually have a creator next to him that can help him.

I love it. That's that's going to be huge. And you get him with the serious coach like like IMA Udoka, like Houston, Houston finally has something where it's like, hey, listen, they might be able to be the good, the good kind of, you know, you know what I'm saying? Kind of ass. Exactly, exactly. They can move up a little bit. So I like the pick as well. Yeah, they're going to be a serious basketball team for the first time in the last five years. Yeah.

Yeah, exactly. I think it was a phenomenal pick. And now, even outside of like, Jalen Green, the fit is. like interesting alongside saying goon and they're just like a few vets away now from like being a legit team and being on that upward trajectory i don't know if i mean who are their vets do they have any vets at this point well no quarter junior oh god bro that's that's terrible bro i mean like it hard in you know yeah but they're definitely no they're making that huge push they're making a huge push they like i've seen all types of names and that sounds like they're

going to land someone and everyone understands like what is missing and like the shenanigans that were going that was going on on the quarter of their last year will not be happening this year absolutely not so it was a great pick yeah okay uh it's going to help jubari smith a lot too oh i forgot he just he looked like crap last year but again unserious basketball team he'll he'll get better he's not going to be as bad as he look he's not a complete bust and just just in everybody's going to be helped by them having some sort of co-create actual actual point guard yeah one thing that I want to say though is that like if these Thompson twins like come out and they

don't look like they belong on the court at all OTE is going to be under a serious microscope and the crazy we're going to see some insane narratives and that's going to be labeled as like the fakes league to ever become if they're like so bad you know no yeah yeah their reputation's on the line

yeah exactly I think of let's talk about the other Thompson twin oh let's do it the Thompson twin Asar is on the Pistons I got those who don't know Asar is always in view

as a slightly worse prospect than a men mostly because he doesn't have the on ball chops as a men a men's like on ball creator incredible passer can really penetrate Asar's more of a 3 and D type of guy

but projects to be a really good 3D guy because he also has a basketball IQ of a men even if he doesn't necessarily use it as a passer but a man can't shoot at all and Asar has shooting upside so a little different of a player I like Asar a lot I'm a really big Asar fan

I would like I I didn't love the fit with like I didn't love the fit with Detroit just because I felt like there was a more ideal spot for Detroit to go and that I wanted Assar to go, I wanted Assar to drop to seven and play, uh, and play with Tyrese Halliburton in Indiana. I thought that that would have been fantastic. That'd be cool. And have, and, you know, have Tyrese with his passing acumen and have somebody who can play, who can play off ball,

a great cutter like, like him, have somebody who can play defense the way Asar can. But for, for Detroit, I think, I think it's going to be a very interesting fit with him and Kade coming back and Jaden Ivy also growing. And you have a, you have a lot of guys who can create, but I'm also very curious to see the fit and how everybody's going to be able to fit into into their roles and for sar like like you said that three point shot is really really going to have to fall this first year and so i don't know if i don't think it is going to going to be like he's not going to be knocked down his first year i don't i don't think that's going to happen so um but to have somebody who can who can play defense the way he is he he he doesn't like you said he doesn't have

all the passing stuff that that a man has he has the little outlet pass in his bag though right he could put he could push the ball up the floor so i think for detroit they might they'd probably be able to play a little bit faster especially with ivy like they're they're going to be a really really fun team this year for sure yeah yeah i didn't like you i didn't love the selection from detroit but it's a good player at the end of the day and like players like him literally all 20 all other 29 teams would take a player like him so it's like not that big of a deal. I don't think it's ideal for his, like, personal career

and the trajectory and potential of him fulfilling the best version of Asar Thompson, but, like, regardless of the fact, like, he is going to stick on this roster, what would you play the three? Yeah, or do we... Yeah, I totally disagree. I think it's a perfect fit. He's not going to be like, hey, he's not Grady Dick.

He's not, like, the best shooter in the draft type of dude right now. But he has that shooting. side. He's shown shooting talent throughout his high school career. In his first year at OTE, he shot better from three. I know he had a rough shooting splits in his second year. But I think he's going to be the ideal off ball connector to play next to good ball handlers. And so for a team that their foundational blocks is two lead guards to get a really smart three that can play off ball and do everything in between, I think that's exactly what you want next to Cade and Jay Nivey. I was hoping they're going to pick him. I know a lot of the noise earlier in the draft process was Jarris

Walker, which would be a cool fit. But I think Asar is going to be perfect. That's such a great one through three to build around. Yeah. Yeah. I was, I was thinking maybe I kind of like the fit with potentially Taylor Hendricks and going to Detroit and them having somebody who's shooting is like a primary part of their back. You know, and so having that with Cade and Jada, I think that would have been very helpful

to add to that young core and then just figure out the connector piece later because at the the end of day like even with kate they are eventually probably going they're going to get to a point where kate is going to be driving a majority of the offense and so having i be there as the second guy i don't i don't think that they needed to put a lot of priority into figuring out that connector right now and investing you know like the fifth overall pick in that so that's that's that's hard to find that's the only difference so to say connector like he's going to play awful he's not going to be running pick and rolls it's just like when the ball gets swung to him and he attacks a close out he can make plays happy swinging to the right guy knock down that shot he's

shot be a good cutter like i think it's hard to find that type of guy yeah exactly like i want to say that type of guy like it sounds like the golden boy of all that is like someone like erin gordon everyone's talking about his process i want to say he's like a connector but like someone who just does the dirty work i'm thinking athletic josh hart right now this is a connector josh that's okay the connect the it's golden state i gadawa that's the real comp because the Thompson is are also good defenders they're long

they're 6-7 6-8 good secondary passers can play off ball be a defender number one wing option like that's the goals for them to have the two lead ball handlers

and then Andre Goddow next to them yeah it's listen both of these guys are great and their floors are extremely high because they have that length because they have that that defensive versatility

so I yeah I think I think all of us are high on the Thompson twin so I'm really excited to see them to see them get out there Let's see, we've got some more interesting picks And the rest of them, we're just going to go through the lottery We're not to go after that much deeper

Yeah, but listen, we've got to speed through these We're getting, we're getting into the middle tier I don't know a lot about Anthony Black I know the magic, there's been reports They're going to trade one of Suggs or Cole Anthony Because clearly they want another guard who became Anthony Black So there's a log jam there now I think they can trade either of those guys and be fine

If they believe in Anthony Black, cool You trade both of them Yeah, when I was streaming When I was steamer earlier today, I made an emphasis that, like, you know, like, when it comes to Orlando Magic, they have the three pillars of their franchise already. Winter Carter Jr., Franz Wagner, and also, of course, like, when, oh, Paula McHara. Yeah. And so all three of those dudes, they're not going anywhere. The minimum that you need is, like, backup positions or whatever.

You're good. You're not drafting for that. the biggest question mark for them is obviously like the two position but at this point in the draft like you don't have that's not there anymore but other than that it's like the one position i don't really trust mark hill faults even though he had like a phenomenal season his history screams like injury prone and he's not like he's a good fit but he's not like the most ideal fit around paolo and all those boys now for sure i say that like anthony black he's not the most ideal fit either but he's a much better fit because of course like

Like, he's just bigger, and their land of magic are absolute sluts. They lose their mind when it comes to bigger people than their average position. So it's that on top of, oh, wow, he has something that these other people don't have. He has actual passing vision, and he's an absolute dog on defense. It's worth the pick, and I think he's a very good insurance plan for, like, whatever, whenever this, like, Mark Hill Fult's trial run ends, the amazing story. but I think Anthony back Anthony Black he's definitely going to be like

one of the finishing pieces one of the complimentary pieces alongside all those three guys I can see that yeah the problem isn't matching have a lot of guards but none of them are like set in stone going to be a cornerstone so if that's the case

and you know you have a lot of guys I can go either way there's no problem with picking somebody that you think has a chance to be that guy especially because they don't have a ton of positional like needs they have their three of the future they have their four of the future

window Carter might be their five of the future like guard is all the Frons, Paulo and Wendell aren't going anywhere you got to find those guards

so even though they got a bunch of them you got to keep taking bites of the apples to find the one that sticks yeah

yeah true so that's next up we got so this next one was interesting the Pacers had the seventh pick and traded back

with the wizards who moved up to the eighth pick in exchange for a couple second round picks because the wizards wanted

to get their high upside guy their project that they're going to cultivate over the next few years the rebuild Bilal Colaby

who a few weeks ago nobody knew his name but he's every year we had this one guy that rises up the draft boards and draft season that happens to the NBA happens in NFL this year was ball all for those who don't know who is uh wemby's teammate in france and he's like a six eight guard that's like a guard yonis where he's like crazy athleticism and one day needs to be able to a team that can mold him put it all together how do you all feel about this pick i literally here's here's what I thought

they they made the pick he put on the Pacers hat I was like okay interesting pick for the Pacers he got traded to the Wizards said damn this pick sucks this is awful right like I just don't trust Washington it's the same thing like Rashallet

I don't trust Washington on projects I think that their infrastructure is bad I think their talent development is awful and so I actually feel bad for him because I don't think that he's I don't think he's going to be in a position to succeed we and we're going to talk about Washington a little bit later because of all these trades but like they don't

office now maybe they're better they don't they don't know what they're doing at least right now they don't know what they're doing they don't they don't they don't know what they're doing they don't they don't know what they're doing strongly we'll get to this yeah for 40 for 40 years the wizards have been doing they've been doing this and they they are a mess so right now I'm very skeptical of it just because of and it has nothing to do with him and maybe this comparison actually no not maybe this comparison is literally only because he's french but i see him going to the wizards and the only thing that i can think of is he's frank nillikina that's the only thing i could say the top of cut coming into the draft that's it like he has

no tattoos seeing franks look like yeah i understand that i understand that's all i think of in general this is a good pick for where the state of the wizards are at where you're just like revamping everything and at this point you need to throw shit at the wall to see what sticks. No matter like, no, you don't want, and picking someone like Jarrett Walker or anybody who predicted as like, or projected as like a good role player is the worst thing to do in a scenario like this because you're looking for a wow factor, you know?

And this is where you have an opportunity to do something like that. And if he doesn't pan out, no one cares. Exactly. No one's expecting it. They're going to year one of a rebuild. They have zero foundational pieces. And they're not in a high point. of the draft where they're going to get a guy that's for sure going to be that guy.

Like you said, the other options are like good role players. You might as well take the biggest swing. You have literally nothing to lose. You're going to be the worst team of league next year. Why not take the biggest swing you can as early on for a guy that could potentially completely change your rebuild? Yeah, exactly. We'll talk about it later.

We'll talk about Washington later. Oh, my God. What about the other side of this drive? You guys like Jarrett Walker in Indiana? I love it. I do. I do. It's a great fear. I think building up building up the defensive influence.

structure around Tyreys Halliburton is fantastic. I think it's a great pick. Yeah. Having him in Miles Turner be your two defensive pieces in their front court, that's incredible. Like their four spot has been the weakest point in the past couple of years, and there were still like a borderline playoff team last year. This team's going to be really good next year. They're still looking to replace Thadius Young, I see.

Shame on that. This is overall. Thatiest Young doesn't even believe that. no what's funny is like swall supercharged daddy is young like isn't the worst comp in the world for jeers walker i know i know it's actually not that bad whatsoever

daddy's something is such a good player yeah he can pass a little bit too jeras walker doesn't have that in his bag but like in terms of like defensive archetype and like the way you can shoot a little bit and like be that guy at the fore it's kind of like that he is young yeah i'd love to see it that's a great big buy good pick good pig for them yeah i love that for them next time we have the jazz got taylor hendricks

cool him he fits next to the larry marketing another big guy give them some size nothing no real thoughts about it yeah no real thoughts cool yeah i'm cool good pick by them though they're they're another team that's early into a rebuild and they're another team that's like

too good to be completely crap and they're doing like the middle tier rebuild and landing guys like taylor hendricks is what you gotta do in that point you gotta just chip away at it and get more more good players and do your thing good pick yeah yeah

so I agree like you the top of office the tragic part here is he almost fell to the Mavericks at 10 which

Taylor Hendricks had been awesome with the Mavericks but that didn't happen so the Mavericks traded back from 10 to 12 and essentially

offloaded the Davis Bertans contract the Thunder took it off their hands to move up to 10 because Casein Wallace was still available who was apparently

the Thunder's guy and they moved up and grabbed him a lot of people love Case and Wallace I don't know a ton about him but everybody loves them you ain't got to know none other than like he is a combo guard a bigger guard who's out of kentucky then boys have an insane track they don't miss and so you just have to believe

in the hype overall no but he's super complete though as a as a guard you know i would say i wouldn't say he has like shades of jama or he or anything like that but the type of player that he is literally stick him on any roster and he's going to thrive that's just who he's going to find ways to succeed whether he's doing a bunch of cool stuff offensively or impacting the other side of the court overall it's a it's a great move and i i love it me personally i thought that another team should have sucked him because i think he has uh not super high ceiling but he has a great chance to be like a top 20 15 point guard in the NBA or whatever um and so i like it this is a fantastic but my by the okay cider

cool yeah so many people love him everybody I listen to says he's their guy so like I'm excited to see him I don't watch college basketball so I'm not familiar with him not a prospect I got around to researching

and I look forward to seeing how he fits with this roster because the thunder can be one of the teams I watch the most next year for sure absolutely playoff bound baby after that we got jet Howard to the magic which was a surprising pick for most people I have no thoughts

Why was that surprising? I saw this dude play in person. This is, so earlier when I was in the stream, y'all should really follow us on TikTok if you're doing it already. I was saying how, you know, I was talking about the Lakers and how if this dude does end up falling, that he'll be a perfect pick for the Lakers. And I say the exact same thing for the Orlando Magic because he's a shooter. That's exactly what the Orlando Magic need.

They have no solidified too, like we were talking about. their guys are all in the front court and they have nobody in the back court to give them any real assistance um or any back line they have nothing to rely on whatsoever and jet how is a perfect type of player you can create here and there a little bit but mainly you just want him to fucking like shoot the shit out of the ball and that's what he is and that's what he does and i watched him play in person actually when i was in indiana um and he was not as good as advertised by then his draft stock was like his draft I saw his draft talk was really high. It was like top 12 and obviously ended up being that. But at that time, I was like, I don't really see it. Draft stock fell and then the Orlando Magic went ahead and souped him up. I think this was a great fit and pick. And it's just going to thrive there, to be honest with you.

Just with the nature of everyone else's play style. Yeah, it's great. I think the magic are one of the most interesting young cores in the league. I'm a huge palo guy. So if it's a great fit, he greases us in spacing, I can't wait to watch them. Palayan bound next year. The last few picks, the magic, on the magic, the Mavericks ended up getting Derek lively, who has been described to me as Javelle McGee, but hopefully smart.

Yeah, great, listen, it's a, it's a really good positional pig for them. They've needed, they've needed a, they needed a defense at the five for a long time, and then for them to be able to get that tonight and get off of Bertons contract and really free up a lot of cap space and get themselves some flexibility. I think that they had a fantastic night and something that they can be very happy about. So I'm good. I'm good with what Dallas did today.

Yeah, it makes sense. It's always like a flip-up of a coin. I saw earlier listening to the Through the Wire draft show. Kenny made a point where he was like, listening to draft these guys. And everyone says, oh, he might be Tyson-Challey, but he also might be Willie Colley Stein. So I was over some of these type of guys.

And that's so facts. Like so many of these just like run running bigs are either really good or really good, are really useless and out of the league. So we'll see where this one goes. Yeah. He's playing with, listen, he's playing with Lucas. His job is going to be much, much easier.

So I have hoped that he can be, that he can be a solid contributor for them. Okay. Yeah, last two picks. Got Grady Dick to the Raptors, who I know a lot of people were like, if he own him because he's kind of a one-dimensional player, just really a shooter, doesn't have a high ceiling,

but they need. Yeah, the Raptors are running it back. They love this fucking core, and they're going to keep them together forever. So adding a shooter on the wing Follow me makes total sense They shouldn't have picked him though Grady diggers I wanted him

On a lot of teams Across the board Like he would have been I'm not good for Orlando But he would have been gun on a majority of any team Like he's not He's not anyone who you give like an Extreme load to or any extreme

Like aspirations and goals There's a bar and he'll meet the bar And then that's that's tough of what it is and you appreciate it will be helpful for a team's bench it'll be good he'll round out a good teams lineup

I mean listen but if they saw I don't know if they saw him though because if they saw the jacket that he was wearing they probably wouldn't have picked him that that that jacket was wild that was too much

Grady Dick welcome to the TikTok abyss you will be in a future traffic video we're flaming in the worst decision of your life if I would have saw that man and tried to enter the green room

I would have denied him in front of his wife or girlfriend and parents and all that. Not for him. That's funny. Yeah. To round out the lottery we got, the Pelicans taking Jordan Hawkins. Love it.

Nice. Love it. On to the next topic. I'm over the draft. Yeah. We'll leave the rest of the first round and the second round for another day to talk about. Just because the NBA Finals is over doesn't mean that you have to stop using underdog fantasy. There's sports going on every single day all throughout the summer that you can make entries on.

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days ago when it happened the wizards finally traded bradley beale a year too late but nevertheless they traded him who he is now a few Phoenix Sun, they sent him over in exchange for Chris Paul, Landry Shammit, six second round picks, and four first round pick swaps. And they sent back Bradley Bill and Jordan Goodwin, most favorite player. This is lying. Yeah, he's totally lying. So first off, what grade are you guys giving the Phoenix Suns for this trade?

Phoenix Suns, they deserve like a... C. Well, I was going to say like B plus. We're going to have so much disagreement during these trade talks. I can't wait. Wow. This is a, this is a C for me. I don't, I am not.

Second round. Let me say real quick. This is an A, by the way. An A. There's an A. A. Okay. First off, second round pigs to me mean absolutely nothing.

If you, if you're talking about a rebook, listen, congratulations. Oh, we're talking about the sons. Oh, for the sons. My bad. My bad. Okay. B, B plus. That makes sense.

I was like, what are you talking about? Okay. But, yeah, my bad, I thought we were talking about from Washington's perspective. Definitely the Sons. Yeah, B-plus. Okay. Yeah. A lot of people were down on this trade because if you watch that series against the nuggets,

nobody left it thinking, oh, this team needs a third star. What they need? Another shooting guard who thrives in the mid-range. Yeah, exactly. That's not their thing. So it's not the perfect fit because it doesn't really solve any of their issues. It doesn't give them depth. It doesn't give them a new playmaker to replace Chris Ball.

It doesn't give them rim protection, anything they needed. but they were going to cut Chris Paul for nothing a week before that and you can turn Chris Paul and a garbage shooting not I said garbage below average shooting guard and Landry Shammit into an All-Star and Bradley Beale you do that 100 out of 100 times there's a big downside because the contract is ridiculous and it's your all in move

but if you're going to have to have a skill set as duplicative where your three top guys all do the same thing I want that skill set to be being 30 point for game three level scores Yeah. The only daunting thing about this is like like literally seven days ago, the last time we reported, recorded this podcast, the Phoenix Suns pretty much had like a lot of their picks left. And now all that shit is gone. Like they went like Isaiah Thomas emptied the clip. It's all gone. And so that's like daunting because like of the situation and positions that they could be in. So I can't give them an A because. Because. no trade clause are Lydia are literally like an abomination to the NBA world so I love it for players of course I'm all for a player in power but like in terms of like your organization and it warping the entire direction of your team like that's why I can't give this in A because

it can be very dangerous unless you win a championship then it's worth everything it's worth the pain and the struggle of trying to come off be on that expensive contract and also him like green lighting and red lighting whatever team that he wants to move on to next potentially but yeah this is easily a B like B plus like you said because they had no other option CP3 is finnigate wave that didn't know had didn't have happening like you said he he got trades with wizards for a short amount of time and so yeah like this is like it was I don't understand people why people hate this Donovan okay I guess so I'll tell you I'll tell you why people hate it and I I said B plus it's a B minus it's a B minus for for these reasons

reasons. One, Bradley Biel hasn't scored 30 points in two years. He hasn't played, he hasn't played, he hasn't like average 30 points in two years. He hasn't played more than 60 games in four years. That's the scary part. Right. And you go from, you trade, either trading or cutting Chris Paul, who also gets hurt all the time and trading him for another guy who's making even more money than he is and who has a no trade clause. That end, like you said, has a skill set that you already have. two other guys who do that on the roster like chris paul say say what you want about at least he filled a need that phoenix had so there's there's those three things and i think that for phoenix they got the wrong guy out the building deandre aton is the one who's who's supposed to be out because he's the one where he's making a little bit too much money for everything that they're asking him to do and now you've really really pigeoned your pigeon hold yourself into having these four guys, they're going to try and trade Aiton.

There's been some reporting that it's been like tough for them to find a trade suitor for Aiton, but you have really pigeonholed yourself into having these four guys campaign and then you, me and Moe, on the roster to try and win a championship and they're going to have absolutely no depth. The second apron is, the second apron is going to kill them.

So it's, it's an all in move. I appreciate like the gusto from them. It's probably for the wrong guy though. Who also gets to keep his no trade clause. See, here the thing is, I 100% agree. All those problems are continuously to be problems. But there were problems before this, too. People were acting like this trade created that.

They were already going to have no bench, already have no flexibility going forward. The difference is they had a 40-year-old superstar, not even superstar anymore, they had a 40-year-old guard, and they replaced them with a 30-year-old one. The issues didn't get worse. They're the same.

No, and exactly. that's why and that's why it's why it's bad that's why it's bad though because if the issues are the same if the issues are the same and they play the same whether you're 40 or 30 they play the same amount of games and now you just gave up half your draft to have the same problems no the thing is though that that is under the assumption that they could have made a different trade for chris paul and got a better outcome that faces those problems the other outcome was sending him to golden state for jordan pool that is not a better outcome that fixes those problems either so the reality is there was no answer that fixes

this problem so you can keep chris paul and run back the same formula that doesn't work or keep those problems but get a better strength with braddy beale like yeah we're acting like they had a better option they could have fixed those issues no matter what those issues are going to remain yeah the oh how you how you feel about this i mean i agree i agree with isa those issues still remain but like we have to be real they couldn't have done anything better like there was nothing nothing out there like if it's not bradley bill oh do you want some other random player like who's beat up and they're about to be out of the lake there's no way there's no way around this issue and i think that what they did i respect it i don't know if i 110% agree with it

because it'll get you in very dangerous zone and a very dangerous territory but it's either you like just let go of CP3 or receive an all-star in return while having like maintaining some of your draft picks in the future with all these how many how many pick stops was it was it like six second rounders or four the six second rounders and four first on pick swaps that is what's terrifying to me it's ridiculous no trade clause and the pick swaps because like bradley beale like that that's that's the only thing that i can't wrap my head around fully because you're at the mercy of this dude like the entire future relies on him so i don't know who's running point who's running point for them in the playoffs they're gonna do point booker i mean and now and is devon booker

best used when he's running point trying to get everybody else involved or is he best used when you say hey go go do your best cobi impression and you let him like be legendary whatever we'll see i i agree he's incredible off ball but maybe maybe there's a gear that he can unlock there he's not a bad passer. Maybe he has a, he's not James Hardin, but maybe he has a Hardin type gear where he can switch to point guard and unlock a new part of his game. And if that's the case, and he can be just as good of a player as a point guard, Bill is going to provide more value than Agent Chris Paul. So maybe that duo has a higher ceiling. Yeah, exactly. And a couple of years ago, Devin Booker averaged like seven or at least super close to seven assists back when the

Phoenix Suns were super tracts. And he's way better now. Skills. Yeah, exactly. And so being way better now with those threats for it's going to open up a lot more um the only like and i don't my only issue with them is like i don't know if they have the right coach to like extend or maybe even overextend sometimes your star players capabilities of like being a straight up distributor like frank well i don't know i can talk about this but like i don't know if he's the right coach for creative offense they kept kevin young who was like their offensive coordinator from the past regime. He stayed and he's going to run the offense for Frank Vogel. So I think that's going to be a good pairing. Frank Vogel is a defensive

mastermind who's going to reinvigorate DeAndre Aiton probably. Then you have Kevin Young to keep the Phoenix Sun's offensive identity there. I'm, I don't have an issue with the coaching on that end. Yeah. But if it was just Frank Vogel, I'd agree because Frank Vogel was not equipped for that. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. That's a great point. That's a great point to me. Let's let's flip. Let's grade this for the Wizards now. Kind of Donovan has some opinions. So the wizard finally moved off of Bradley Beal It was too late But keep in mind

This is a new regime Who as soon as he came in Decide to do it It's not their fault The old GM is an idiot What do you grade it from that perspective Of like Yeah

See I don't I don't think it's a great trade Like You get Landry Shamit All right cool Like he's just he's just there He's relevant this trade Yeah

The second round picks I can I can send $500,000 to anybody and get another second round pick. Those things don't, like, move me if I'm, if I'm Washington, if I'm starting a rebuild. The pick swaps, the pick swaps are interesting, but I think it's very interesting that out of this trade and even the subsequent one that they made with Chris Paul, you trade your franchise player and you don't get a, like, a legitimate first round pick that is yours. because even the pick that they get from Golden State is seven years into the future and it's top 20 protected.

Yes. So it's not like you still don't get a great draft pick out of this and you're at the mercy of how good is Phoenix in the future. So it's like, yeah. Wait, is the 2030 pick from Golden State? Yes, right? Yes.

Damn. They have a 2030 pick. They have a 2030 pick from Golden State that is top 20 protected and then they have a 2030 pick swap with phoenix yeah things though these trades these first on picks aren't necessarily like they're probably not going to be taken by the wizards these are long-term trade assets that'll get moved around by multiple teams multiple times and it's appealing that's going to be post-deff so that's a good asset they're going to trade that again for a good player at some point top 20

protected yeah that that's that skewed my sucks a little bit like but at the same time like what can you do bro like this is yeah no trade clause literally cancer and and this is like the best that they could have done. So, considering that, and then my grade overall, I think I'd have to be like a B. Like there's nothing, you couldn't have done worse. You can have done worse. I agree.

Straight B. It's not, what's a new GM's name? Is it Mike Winger? I don't know his name? I think so. I think it's Mike Winger. He's a new GM. It's not his fault that the last brain dead regime didn't trade him last year

and gave him the fattest contract in the NBA with a no trade clause, something no other NBA player has. with that context he came in all he could do is say okay well it's too late but we have to start somewhere and just get the rebuild going it should have been last year

when Wembe was on the board but he can't help that so from that perspective of year one all you can do is look forward and take the best case scenario in front of you B plus B they weren't going to get a good return for Bradley Beale it was impossible

with a no trade clause if the deal gave them too much Beal would say no not wait my no trade clause you got to let them keep your stuff so it's kind of like the last deal where it's not a good outcome on paper it's a terrible return but the reality is they were all going to be bad returns so it's the best they could do and they made

the smart decision to just get rid of them and start the rebuild from the best case they could I don't know what I'd want them to do better they're just I don't they're tough spot they're money laundering that's what they're doing I really believe that and like whenever we go through all of these trades. I look at the entire hall that Washington got back and I have no evidence to believe

that you guys are actually trying to win basketball games in the future. I think that they are laundering money and that's like their main thing. But what did they have done better? Bradley Bill has a no trade clause and makes $50 million a year.

They weren't going to get stars or great young prospects for them. Do you think it would be, would you have Bradford like kept Bradley Wheel? No. You got to start a rebuild. Like we all know

Bradley Bush should have been traded it should have been last year but it wasn't so the new guys said it's not optimal but all we can do is is take the sunk cost of losing out on that value and just move forward yeah I need to know what the exact deal Miami had on the table and I know I know like I just I'm just curious I know Bradley chose Phoenix over Miami yeah and and again that no trade loss is crazy but like I just want I just want to know what it is I bet it was better you're right it was better but Bradley said I want to go to Phoenix so they had to send a Phoenix it's tough yeah he literally had them boys handcuffed ankle strapped and he was whipping them like it was some like it was it was just an absurd that's how that's how that's how screwed

the washington wizard's word they couldn't do a damn thing about it so it's like with all this going on and with the fake picks and all these second rounders it's like okay at least you got something that you can kind of cook one. He's the most negative contract in the NBA right now. It's damaging to have Bradley Biel. It's why you guys aren't high on the Sun's trade as much. So to get out of that and be able to go into a rebuild and get some positive assets in return,

like, it's not better at all. And also, we're grading this trade alone, but the reality is this trade is very connected at the next one we're going to grade. The reality is they netted Jordan Poole out of this. So, like, getting Jordan Poole for Bradley Biel isn't the worst thing in the world. You traded the worst contract in the league

for the second worst contract. Okay, Jordan Poole is going to be fine when he's able to go to a team where he's not in that role behind Steph Curry. Like, he's a good player. He needs time to be in a place that fits him better. Are you optimistic about Jordan Poole going to a place where there are no rules and he's going to get to Chuck all night long? That's what he's built for. Yeah. He's in best.

Him, bro, I need to see Kyle Kuzman get paid 30 M's a year and hoop along. alongside Jordan Poole. That'll be the nastiest brand of basketball ever. Ever. Let's, we'll get into this. Let's formally move on to the next trade. The next trade we got a great from both sides is the continuation of this trade

where the Wizards sent Chris Paul to, who else was in the trade? Was it just Chris Paul going out? It was just Chris Paul. Okay, he sent Chris Paul to the Golden State Warriors in exchange for Jordan Poole and a 20-30 first-round pick. Was there additional draft compensation? It was, so it was Chris Paul.

Chris Paul goes to Golden State, Washington gets back, Jordan Poole, Ryan Rollins, a 20-27 second-round pick, and then the 2030 first-round pick that is top 20 protected. Okay. So that essentially means all of, you have to view this in connection to the last trade. Yes. So they essentially traded Bradley Biel for Jordan Poole, two draft picks, and Ryan Rollins, who's a second-round pick last year. Not a bad return. I think this is, Chris Paul is worthless to a lot of NBA teams. they got, say what you want about Jordan Poole.

I don't love him either, but they got a young asset who has potential and a first-round pick for an aging Chris Paul who a lot of teams would have just bought out. The guys, the guys who leave Golden State, like James, it's one of the reasons why I'm fairly low on James Wiseman. If you cannot thrive in that situation, especially Jordan Poole, where they were ready to give him the keys to. to the second unit, right, B, baby, Steph,

all of this stuff. It's not like, it's not like they were handcuffing him the way that they're doing Kaminga or Moody and the night of them playing time. Jordan Poole had every opportunity to shine in Golden State

and play alongside the easiest person in the league to play next to in Seth Curry. Maybe Yokic, right, whatever. Yeah, yeah. And he was unplayable, unplayable in the playoffs because he's out here just running around

being just idiotic all the time. I I'm not high on Jordan pool going to Washington where he's not going to have any type of structure and he's just going to churned you don't have to be you don't have to be but him in a first-run pick is more long-term value than Chris Paul I'll tell you that yeah what's a grade for this mo for the wizards yes for the wizards yeah for the wizards this has to be for the wizards this strict interaction it has to be an A because you got a 24-year-old who is the exact type of player that you need as an organization when you're going to pure mayhem in terms of just like reshifting and remolding the entire infrastructure of your team

whether he like pops or he flops it doesn't really matter you just have a body to have people watch it's his potential it's Chris Paul I see Madonna's face he's like what it's Chris Paul he's 38 and has no

long term value and they got a young guard for him that is a W like this is a great trade for them yeah exactly like great trade is a stretch no it's an incredible trade great trade is not anything of a stretch they are going to run I need I need to pull up this

this tweet so the roster is irrelevant they're going to be the worst team of league on purpose they are paying a dude you are going to have the worst team in the league and also have one of and also have one of the worst contracts in the league at the same time

at the same time it doesn't matter yeah who's going to Washington. Listen, we talk, we talk about all the teams. It's the same as saying like, oh, the Minnesota Timberwolves have a whole bunch of capsaries. Nobody's going to Minnesota. Nobody's going to Washington. I understand that you like, you would like to have flexibility. Every NBA team wants to have flexibility. Washington, Washington needs to do something a little bit different. I think for them getting an erratic 24 year old who is just going, he's going to, he's going to, he's going to be like we are going to watch the

Washington Wizards next year and it's going to be very similar to how the Houston Rockets have been playing basketball for the last two years bro the other year one of a rebuild when I say they have cash base I'm not saying they're going to use it to get stars it just means that Jordan Poole's contract is irrelevant because it's not going to hamstring them in any way they're doing nothing with that money it doesn't matter

they're losing games on purpose there's steps in order to like every NBA first every NBA organization tends to through their motions and every 10 years they go through a cycle of being ass being good contenders and being mid and stuff like that washing wars were just cursed with the most yeah i don't just bad people in the front office who just loved being mid and this is their time to shine and be really bad and you have to go through the motion of just making moves that don't move the needle but you make these moves are seeds placed that'll eventually move the needle so next year when

they're in place to let's say to go ahead and get the number one overall pick and the projected number one overall dude is like some dude named Isaiah Collier that like this Jordan pool trade or any or anything helps that if the point if the point that you guys are making if the point that if the point that you guys are making is that Jordan pool makes the Washington Wizards worse and helps them and helps them lose games then yes then yes bro first of all you're acting like Jordan pool is Frank Nittle Kina Jordan Poole has potential Jordan Poole didn't work out in Golden State partially because he got laid the fuck out

by the team's veteran leader before the season started and ruined their team chemistry the season before we were all like Jordan Poole is a foundational piece gets knocked out now he's bad I don't think the Queens is there

He's not a potential You're saying they gave the keys As a six man behind Steph He's an on ball creator that was fitting into their system the best way he can But he's best when he's running, picking roles

and creating all things offensively When you give him those touches maybe he doesn't come good maybe he becomes Jordan Clarkson we'll see but there's a chance that he becomes a legitimate creator with the ball in his hands that has value and isn't a star

but is a really good player it's better to have that and take that chance than to just have a Chris Paul that you probably cut for nothing like that's a good return for a player that doesn't have a lot of value yeah exactly you're going to see a lot of 11 for 28 nights out there

good and it won't matter it has no consequence because they're going to be bad anyway yeah 11 for 20 Or 25 or 28, they're still getting top three. It doesn't matter. But if you see that, if you see him shoot good, you take that with a not a grand salt, but you take that. You take that.

And then you see where he potentially might fit in with your future. That's the entire thing. He's young and the potential so they're regardless. That's all it is. When you're in this position where you're starting to rebuild, you just got to throw a dart to the board and see what sticks. And Jordan Poole is a worthwhile dart to throw. Like that is a bet that has potential. Yeah

Nah, I disagree I just hate that bad damn It's not worth the risk You should be in China Yeah exactly God I didn't give a grade I guess an A Like I don't

I think it's a great trade They turn CP3 They turn nothing into something Yeah Let's grade this from the Warriors perspective This is a weird ass move For the Warriors

That isn't horrible but it's weird it's like you can see it but cp3 is like that quite literally the inverse of warriors basketball in terms of how they like to move and also their stuff yeah that's what i can say it is weird oh sorry go ahead no no no you're good it's weird like the last time i saw a guard who's it not even a similar mode cp3 but like he likes to have the ball in his hands like i don't know Sean Livingston, like, who's, who's deadly in the mid-range? That's it, bro. That's it.

Yeah. So, it's weird. Best I can say it is it makes no fucking sense, but if you think about it hard enough, you can figure out a way to make it make sense in your head by saying they're trying something different and they're going, they're zinging when everyone's zagging or, no, they're zinging when you'd expect them to zag because they always zag. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Like, it's just different from what you'd expect from Warriors basketball, but if you view it as like they're changing up their style, it could make sense. I don't know what to grade this, but I can kind of see the vision. I think for them, I think the person who honestly benefits the most out of this is Jonathan Kaminga. I think, because I think like for Chris Paul to thrive in this backup point guard in this back of point guard role, you throw Kamingia in there and have Chris Paul teach him how to navigate a pick and roll and have his athleticism, him being.

an actual lob thread and maybe turn him into like uh dandre eight and light type of thing you might you might be able to unlock something and just in terms of like a lot third and i yeah in terms of like how he's working with christ paul yeah let's see like he might you might be able to figure out a little something just get a little bit more out of him but outside but that's like one of the only pluses that i see and it's just a weird fit because would you finish the game with like Chris Paul, Steph, Clay, Wigs, and Dre? Like, you're small if you do that. You're small.

You don't have to. Yeah. I think on the court, this trade is like, it's a so-so thing. It's more so you have to see what this trade does outside of the court, which is like the contract stuff. And obviously he has a lot short of a contract compared to Jordan Poole. And so that gives them all the flexibility in the world in the next few years. And that's like the biggest thing about it.

So I guess in my mind, they saw that, hey, we get to free air. ourselves from this treacherous Jordan pool contract, and we have an opportunity to bring someone on who can be useful to us, not only on the court with, like, you know, John Caminga and Moses Moody and setting things straight and feeding Kavan Looney instead of him just saying they're awkwardly sometimes. They can just go ahead and throw them in and add another layer of our offense and throw teams off and have something that's on scheme or whatever. So I'll give this a C-plus, maybe B-minus, when I mean generous, because it's not a great. great move it doesn't enhance their strengths like you want a lot of deals to do like every team has an

identity you want them to do something that can strengthen that identity normally this goes against what they stand for normally but if you think back to last year their starting lineup their starting lineup was one the best in the league still like it was incredible when they were healthy they were starting lineup ran through everybody the problem is they got no bench production because jordan pool got knocked the fuck out forgot to play basketball jama didn't make a leap Moses and Moody wasn't quite ready. Wiseman didn't give him anything. They lost GP2 for the first half of the year.

Auto Porter wasn't there. They never got that bench production they had in their championship year. So they didn't need to make a move in their starting lineup. We know that group is going to be amazing. So the answer is how do you fix the bench? And I think getting one of the best

playmakers of all time, who's washed granted, to run that second unit and potentially be very overpaid to do so, but be there to fix your exact one weakness, it could work it's strange it's a weird way

to get there but it could be like a really smart move that ends up working despite being very unconventional yeah it's so weird it's that's the only way

I think any of us can describe it and I really just have to see how it looks to really grade it and get like an actual view on how this is going to go I was shocked

I was so shocked when you opened up before me like Chris Paul to the Warriors what what is going on? He's seeing him in about 2Ks. It looks so wrong. It does.

It is weird. Yeah. So I think, if he made $2 million, it would be great because you go, oh, he just plays in the backup and he doesn't close games or he does, depending on the matchup,

they can limit his minutes and he can just run that second union to make him better. If it was a better minimum signing, we'd all be like, great, right? You don't have to play him. Just view it the same way. Because honestly, money is completely

irrelevant to this team because they're paying a ridiculous luxury attack bill regardless. so even if they didn't have him they're not going to have cap space so like it barely matters they're going to be a second apron team no matter what so if you pretend the money doesn't exist

if he's playing for free I'm like oh why not it doesn't got to close games he doesn't have to be in reality either the real question is would you guys have done the same thing and traded away Jordan Poole a 24 year old for a 38 year old

that age graph is insane well yeah kind of you had to you have to make a move after after what happened at the at the side of last season like jordan pool and and draymond green couldn't coexist for another year and everybody kind of said for the entire time like hey this kind of like that punch messed up our entire season and you saw you saw the effects that it had on on their defense on the second unit on on their whole chemistry and

you turned a title team and a team that won the championship that was down to one into a team that couldn't win on the road because they just weren't connected so yeah somebody had to go and it's probably going to be the guy who's only been here for three years rather than the defensive anchor who's been here for a decade yeah it sucks that they went out they went out like that and damn pooled you got punched and you got shipped out of there that's tough man you're just you're literally the stay losing yeah exactly and so now I guess it's just all about how they side to I also

I agree with you in terms of like this could also be a huge boost for Jonathan Camilla and Moses Moody because I think that's like

one of the main things that you want to get out of this trade I think I saw some I think I saw something a report out it's one of those mostly relevant points

you know how role players request trades and stuff like that I could be wrong but I feel like I saw something about that

with Jonathan Kaminga and so if you see that you know what I'm saying you have these lottery who you could have traded a long time ago before even won in the NBA trade

I mean the NBA championship in 2022 I believe So now that you kept them And they're still doing a whole bunch of nothing Because you're giving them no minutes Like it's like now we're never with them You know so yeah I think for them It's not necessarily giving up on Jordan Poole

Because at a rough year I don't think they're reacting that harshly I think it's more like I said They knew their starting lineup was great But their bench was ass that bench was led by the backup point guard being Jordan Poole and he's just not really equipped for that role he's not a playmaker and they need somebody to elevate that or at least that's the way they felt is that they could sacrifice him

to get a guy they think that can fix that one issue and they see Steph as probably it doesn't matter about building long term because Steph is their window whatever comes after after Steph comes rebuild so like you're all in on this thing so you can sacrifice that if it means optimizing the team for steps of window and fixing their biggest strength. And there's the locker room issue where the chemistry was ruined because, as I've said multiple

times, Jordan Poole was knocked the fuck out before the season started. So, and Draymond said himself in the podcast, you know, like after a catastrophic event like that happens, you can't walk up to, he didn't drop his name, but it was clear as they, like, you can't walk up to certain people and talk the same because now you have a clear dent in that relationship and whenever you're talking to someone like whenever you're talking to someone like that you're cooking right now you can't you can't you can't clear out the kinks anymore and that's why that's how he explained to leaves as to why they seem sloppy and super inconsistent throughout the year you just can't move the same anymore like literally nothing

will ever be the same and they had to bite that bullet and they are investing all their time into the greatest point guard of all time and Steph Curry and this is what they should be doing so yeah yeah I go B minus I think as I'm talking through it the downside isn't really there because either way they're locking in this team if it doesn't work out not the biggest deal in the world upside is they find a creative way to fix their biggest issue I'm cool with it yeah exactly you get money you don't believe

you free yourself from Jordan Poole so yeah this cool it's cool I think it's a I'll rate this a B It's great I gotta see it I don't I still don't know what to give it You don't like anybody's moves

Ever this year You're just you hate all these trades No I don't I'm not saying I'm not saying It's good or bad It's just really weird It's very unorthodox And I don't have

There's no way you I don't have a definitive grade right now Talk about Yeah next trades Are straight Ws to everybody involved I think Yeah So let's move on to that

Third big trade this week Crazy these all happen within like the same like 72 hour period. The next big trade was a three-way trade between the Memphis Grizzlies, Boston Celtics, and Washington Wizards. Damn. We'll start from the Wizards perspective

because, you know, they got rid of Bradley Bill. They clearly committed this rebuild. Next up was Chris Hopps for Zingis, who was a pending free agent, who had a player option, who was deciding until the last minute whether or not he was an opt-out

and go to free agency route and sign with somebody outright or opt-in and get traded to somebody that he can have one more year with and potentially extend with or Tessori Agency next year. They ended up going the route of finding him a trade partner so they could trade him and get something for him

instead of him walking for nothing. So last second, he opted in and got traded to the Boston Celtics. After the first version of this deal fell apart, they ended up doing the three-team trade where the Boston Celtics get Christops Porzingis and two first-round picks. And the Wizards get Tyos Jones, a second-round pick, and Danilo Gallinari.

And the Memphis Grizzlies get Marcus Smart. And I figure what else I think they just got smart It's the only thing that matters The Grizzly just got Marcus smart The Wizards got Mike Muscala as well Yeah Mike Muscala too So lots to dissect

Let's start from the wizard's perspective You know They could have lost KP for nothing And they ended up bringing back Tyos Jones Who could either be a point guard To keep them stable as a team Or another person to trade in the future For a first-round pick at the deadline

I see that as an absolute win Because KP could have left for nothing yeah a minus a minus yeah it just sucks with all their moves that they've been making

like these are just like we we have no other choice type moves you know yeah exactly so it sucks it's not great but like he if as a guy that could opt in he effectively had a no trade clause as well yeah

because if you don't like the deal he could just opt out and test re agency yeah exactly so they were like they're done for so I mean I feel like bringing in a guy specifically like Tyos Jones, who's easily one of the best backup point guards, maybe the best backup point guard in the entire NBA, at least one of the top three or five or whatever, having him alongside Jordan Poole and if Kyle Closer shines back and all

them guys, like, I think he'll help, like, establish some type of stability because if he wasn't there, then it'll be a complete, like, chitcho. Like, it will be just straight AAU type fives. But, and I think, go ahead. He's going to average 20 and 8. for the first half of the year and they're going to train at a deadline to a team

that needs a good point guard they're just pushing back their asset like he could get them a first round pick later so like yeah you'd want them to get a first round pick now because they're rebuilding but Ty Jones is going to be an asset that gets better with time

as he gets more reps to prove himself yeah I agree I agree yeah yeah it's good you probably probably would try and like it's just I don't know you at the 30 fifth pick

it's like effectively I guess it's like right on that range where it's still kind of like a first round pick it's not too far back so it's okay A minus. Yeah it's a good pick What about from the Grizzly side? The Grizzly shipped out Tys Jones who's a really good player

and they shipped out two first round picks one of them was the end of this round and then one of them was a future pick and they got Mark to Smart who is like basically the Dylan Brooks replacement but a guy who actually has some brains not bad

B plus I don't want to say B plus I don't think the Okay, so they fill the need By replacing Dylan Brooks and Marcus Smart Who is like the best version of Dylan Brooks They keep that defensive identity By having a good guard defender

Next to John Morant I think it's a great fit Gives them some more playmaking And just you know They have the last two defensive player of the years I think Smart is a perfect fit there And he's worth the picks But Tyos Jones is also really good

So it's not the biggest talent jump in the world It's like you're replacing somebody But at what costs I go be. But I think I think where Marcus Smart's value comes in is that Memphis is still very, very young and you get, you get an adult in the room. You get a veteran who's been to the finals, right? You get Marcus Smart who's been in all these situations. And even though that he's like he's not going to be the one that's leading your team in shots or anything, he knows how to play his role, you know, alongside Star.

So once a job comes back, it's perfectly fine. fine. So I think that that's kind of something that they've been missing. And so now you have Marcus Smart and Stephen Adams as your two vets on the team who have, you know, experienced and done this before. And I think that that's something that Memphis really, really needs. Yeah, exactly. Considering a couple of months ago, they literally threw like five or four first round picks at the Toronto Raptors face for O'Diano Novi. They're on their knees begging the Raptors, Masai J. J. for O.G. Arunobi. And if you don't do that, if they didn't. do that. I think this is like

the second best thing they could ever ask for and possibly it might be even it might even work out for them even better because you're not giving up an agree just in mind of picks. It sounds like they're just pick happy they have all their picks so I think moments like this is where you're supposed to cash into it so it's not a good feeling like damn

I just give a two first round picks or fucking Marcus Smart but at the same time like Marcus Smart he comes with a lot of intangibles you could not say that way. Yeah But like Donovan said, there's a lot of stuff that's not accounted for on the court, even though he's super talented, that the Memphis Grizzies, specifically as a team, need more than anyone else the entire league. And so this is like a huge W. This is a huge W for them.

Bro, end of the season, we were talking about, is their culture dying? Like, this is a team built on culture. John Moran is doing John Morant things. Dylan Brooks is an imbecile. like Marcus Smart is going to save their culture like that matters a lot for this team yeah it's a big it's a big pick up for them yeah no yeah I'll give it a minus I agree

the and the thing is too they were talking earlier in the off season not in the off season because it just started but like a week ago we saw reports that they were going to find Ty Sheones a trade to be a starting point guard he probably asked for that so like he probably wanted out from that role

so I'm talking about like it's not the biggest talent upgrade but if he didn't want to be there you don't want them there you know what i mean like so they upgraded for sure it's worth the first two first on picks you can decide but the fit is perfect exactly and something i want to say too about like you know overall team building and stuff like that there's going to be times where you need to trade picks because there's no room or no necessary need for any individual position teams run across this all the time and a lot of teams either force feed themselves into like awkward positions or they like key in catching just the right amount of picks or maybe too much

like they're what they tried to do earlier and moments like this is where it's like okay two first round picks considering what he does it is worth it a for sure yeah you you acquire assets to eventually use him to upgrade your team and this is the type of move you do exactly yeah brilliant okay let's talk about the most interesting part of this now well what's your grade for the Boston Celtics No, no, for the Grizzlies I don't think you give a grade Oh yeah, A

Yeah, I gave him a They're an A Okay, now we can move on To the most interesting side of this The Boston Celtics They traded their heart and soul As everyone says Marcus Smart

For Christops for Zingis And two first round picks On paper that's incredible Trading a high level role player For a borderline all-star And two first That's nuts Yeah

What you're great Because he's in Washington, bro That's an A trade to me bro, I want to say, hey, what? Donovan, what's your, I want to hear, Donovan. This is a bad trade, too. Tell me how this is a bad trade. You're the only one of the tongue to tell you this.

No, no, no, no, no, no. I mean, it's not an A, though. It's not, it's not an A. There's a level above A, and that's fleece. And that's what the Celtics did. Like, that's what they got. Right. This trade is, wow.

For Brad Stevens, for Brad Stevens, for Bradsting to get two first round picks and Chrisops before Zingis on this team, this, that's crazy. That's crazy. It's not. They, He, listen, he learned from Danny Aange so beautifully, because Danny Aang is out here fleecing people for years. And Brad Stevens was like, I see what you're doing. I got you.

Right. I'll make you proud. This is, this is a knockout trade. The Celtics did the absolute best that they could. It's fantastic. I agree. A plus plus. So the upside is KP fits beautifully.

He's a really good room protector who can space the floor, which fits on every team. But they have Robert Williams who he can play alongside because Robert Williams is, interior threat and KP's a legit spacer. They have Al Horford. He could play alongside and they can have two spacers as big men, which gives him crazy versatility and rim protection. Or he can be the only big on the court when they go

small-ish with KP as a center. That gives them so much versatility. It's ridiculous. We knew they couldn't run it back what they had last year and this is how you throw a wrench into that offense and give themselves new looks on really both sides of the ball. It's a perfect fit. Yeah.

The downside is Marcus Smart was their only good passer, and now they have no good passers. So that was already a weakness. They probably have some more moves to make, but as of now, they have no playmakers. I mean, yeah, you're really leaning in to Malcolm Brogden and Derek White trying to, you know, run this offense. And I guess this is also the thing that we've talked about with Tatum a lot is that they have tried to make him into this all-encompassing, hey we're going to run everything through you you're going to set up the offense this is their way of saying tatum we're going to push you into these situations to be uncomfortable and we're really going to lean on on him so i think for tatum we're probably going to see maybe one of the best

versions of jason tatum that we've seen up until this far i i know listen i know he's not like i'm not expecting him to make some type of leap where he ends up at like james hardin where he's averaging eight nine assist the game but handling the flow of the offense I think we're going to see a more comfortable Jason Taylor, just because he's going to be in that position every single night. And I think, and he's made some strides in his playmaking. So another little minor bump, that might be the difference. Okay.

I made a video two weeks ago where I talked about why this team isn't going to work because Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum as a duo are not either one of them high-level playmakers. And I said they should probably trade Jailen Brown for a high-level playmaker. I'll send that video. If they don't want to do that, they got a trademark to smart and find a way to get a point guard there

because I don't think that they should be trying to make Jason Tatum into a point forward. That's just not his game. And I like this KP trade, but if they don't make any other moves, I think they'll be fucked

because that means they have to treat him or Jalen as playmakers. And I think that's the opposite direction they should be going. If they saw last year, team play out and said, we need less passers, we need more Jason Tatum passing reps,

I think that's a complete, wrong takeaway so i'm not going to overreact yet because they have more moves to make they can get a point guard in here by doing more trades but that is a that that that whole is more glaring than it was before and it was already glaring they should have somehow i don't know how this would have worked but tyos jones on this roster would have been so nice screw those picks this would have been a beautiful a plus plus trade because this affects now of course those picks are super nice and all that but like that fills a direct board like yeah like you got a kp and that just makes your roster somehow they're already like one of if not the most versatile roster

in the entire NBA this puts them even over on top of that so but still like the same issue lies like about jalen brown and dizzatim those two being the face of your team and you know i'm saying there being a real like deep dark hole of a true playmaker there and so it's just awkward still but it's like very enticing and again it just lies upon the shoulders of Jalen Brown and just say to him and what type of leaps can they make as individual players you know it's crazy

though the first version of this trade they tried to do was sending Malcolm Brogden out instead for Christophersingus that got vetoed because the medicals on Malcolm Brogden came back once the wizards saw it and they were like oh this guy is not healthy at all his elbows falling off the bone

we can't take him if that didn't get vetoed they would have got KP for Malcolm Brogden it would have been an insane steal and then I have a feeling they would have did the Tice Jones trade for Marcus Smart because clearly the Grizzies won it smart

so they could have had KP and Tias Jones on this team I feel I feel bad for Marcus Smart I really I really do because Jaylen Brown can't go left and now Marcus Smart has to go babysit John Moran like I feel bad for him because of that like that

that really sucks that really sucks Yeah, the problem is he doesn't go left that well either. So, like, one of them had to go. Yeah. Like, for all things, they all do a lot of things well. Neither one of them are just great dribbler, penetrators. Like, that duo was the problem next to Jason Tatum's and something had to go.

Well, at least... Imagine if they got K.P. for Brogden? That would be insane. That would have been insane. And then Ty's Jones and two first-on picks were smart. They would have been cooking. But at least they put themselves in a position to, like, grab that true PG whenever like the second they come out in the market with these two first round picks so yes it's

sucked that they didn't land him but they're even in an even better position to eventually land that so i mean it's a good move and also kp is not gonna like he's not deathly attached to your roster because he's a free agent next year so yeah i mean it works out all all around all around for sure yeah so it's a great trade good for them man i still think jaylon brown's not going to work a long term unless they somehow get a really high level point guard but i don't know how they're going to do that but we'll see they're going to give jalen brown that super mac extension a couple weeks yeah man those are the three trades we got the greats oh wait you don't want to talk about the clippers at all i don't i don't make a trade the clippers were in the original trading oh you're right

they didn't make that trade i don't know why they were supposed to malcolm brogden that three-way trade but they said listen we have too many cripples already we can't deal with the guy who was the world though they sunk it so just real quick would you give paul george that 200 million dollar extension no is paul george up for an extension i don't even know that

no he i think he will be like soon as i think he'll have an opportunity to sign that it's something yeah no no there's no there's no there's no where i'm maxing paul george and kawai yeah see i'm not doing it during the live stream i was over here spraying the paul george and kawai profit

propaganda to Portland if Portland decided to unload the clip and give the clippers every single thing that they have in their goddamn wallets. And I was like, that'll be really fun. And that's something I would do with Portland if they're like stupid enough to try to keep dame. Do that. Because Kaua Leonard's trade value is not going to be weirdly enough, not that high. Yeah. We'll see, man. I don't even, I don't even want to get into the clippers. Is there so much at play there? Yeah. That's, that's another podcast for another day. y'all know what time it is I think it's TikTok time

look at the crayon eaters they're all around their crayons eating them as always we're going to start with the draft you know you know what it is by now this time we're going to do a draft of only players that played with LeBron at some point

let's get into it every player's going to be in their prime so this should be interesting he's had to play a lot of guys I think I have the first pick Mo had it first last time so Donovan your second Mo your third

Okay Which sucks as third Is the place to be in the draft But It really is Okay So let's draft NBA Lineups

With only players Who played with LeBron At any point in their career And everybody in their prime Who first pick is an interesting One can go a lot of ways Yeah First pick

Give me Dwayne Wade Okay Cool Listen everybody's in their prime Give me Shaquille O'Neal Okay Okay, there you go. I just forgot about Shaq.

Oh my God. Yep. Yep. He sold. Okay. He sold. Fuck. Okay.

Dang. Naturally. Give me Kyrie Irving and Dwight Howard. That's a nasty duo. Yeah, it's perfect. I can't believe I forgot about Shaq. Oh, my God. All right.

We're just going to start big. Don't do it. Give me Anthony Davis. Four. You're nasty for that. You nasty for that. for that. You nasty for that. Shack and AD? My goodness. Come on. Oh, I'm getting cooked. This sucks. All three, I have three centers written down. You guys took all three of them. You know who to pick next.

Oh, my God. This sucks. Okay. You know exactly where to go next. Well, give me Carmelo Anthony. Okay. And, I don't know, that kind of sucks. Give me MVP Derek Rose. Oh, he did play with D. Roles. Damn, I I forgot about that. He played with D. Rose. He did. That is okay. Okay, so for my...

Let me get some shooting. Let me get Ray Allen. That's a good pick. We get Prime Ray Allen. That's nice. I like that a lot. All right. You got Prime Ray Allen.

I almost said T.HT. To troll. All right. Now this is where the draft is kind of like wide open-ish. So... Go ahead and give me, this is not a great pick or fit. But go ahead and give me Russell Westbrook. Okay.

At my two. Oh, you're two. Yeah. Give me Russell Westbrook at my two. And then after us. You said what? He is not a shooting guard. He will shoot you out the game.

That's right. He is a shooting guard in this. So give me Russ. And then also give me Carlos Boozer at my four. okay yeah you mean Carlos what do you mean okay he was nasty in Utah days what listen do do what you got to do do what you got to do construct your team the way you'd like I would like I need three give me Brandon Ingram oh I forgot he played a Brandon Ingram that's good okay nice thank God most sold and pick Carlos Boozer give me Chris Bosch okay oh I was

I was waiting damn he passed up on a Hall of Fame for Carlos Boozer. Yeah, I forgot about Chris Boss. I have no idea. Damn. And then on my five, give me Ben Wallace. That's nice. That's nice.

Oh, you recovered. You recovered. Recovery. That's good. All right, I need a point guard to bring all this together. Give me Prime Rajan Rondo. It's a good pick.

Damn, that is phenomenal. I forgot about Rondo. You play with the lake. Darren Williams is available, but Rondo's a good pick. Who is? You said Derek Williams? Darren Williams.

oh Derek I was like Who the hell Derek Williams He's also available He did play with him Yeah I forgot about that

Yeah All right cool Anyways So I need a shooter Because my spacing is looking Really suss right now And

Go ahead and I guess you can go ahead And give me Danny Green for my three Okay I would have picked Shane Badiere Or Richard Jefferson Or Cal Corver

But Danny Green works Or Mike Miller were literally played I literally Wow Yeah Calco This is glitched for me

So he was like Or J.R. Smith No, I'd rather have Danny Green than J.R. Yeah, I'm not J.R. Prime J.R?

I'm like I'm good. Bro, Danny Green is a damn. Prime Danny Green is nice. Yeah. Prime J.R. We're asleep. Don't sleep.

What? We're sleeping on you. What are those words Prime Danny Green was won MVP? What are you talking about? Yeah. Back in them

back in the Spurs era. Okay. All right, let's listen teams. So my team is Derek Rose, Dwayne Wade, Carmelo Anthony, Chris Bosch, Ben Wallace. You've recovered very nicely. Yeah. You recovered very nicely. What a storyline.

All right. I have, I have Rajan Rondo, Ray Allen, Brandon Ingram, A.D. and Shaq. I think my team fits very well together. I don't think it fits well at all. All right. I think it's good. A Kyrie Irving, Russell Westbrook, Danny Green, and then I have Carlos Boozer. That's what hurt me.

This is what hurt me. Yeah, that's what hurt me. The Carlos Boozer hurt my soul, bro. That hurt. That hurt. How did I sell the number one pick and then win by far? This is crazy. I won't say by far.

Oh, no, I won't by far. You're not scoring at the room at all. I have Ben Wallace and Chris Bosch from Manning my defense. does nothing to shack i have anthony davis and shack you're not scoring at the rim like it's not happening i don't know i have duane wade i have duane wade and i have duane wade and derrick rose attacking the rim i think i'm scored against anybody you're not you're not that's fine i'll just give it to carmelo anthony they hit the midrange where shack doesn't want to pull up on the pick and rolls i got ad on him you got a d on dwight i'm on cormella

and i got russ screaming at babies that's great that's hilarious yeah okay nice thing we're going to do as always a tier list this time we're going to stick to the theme of the draft a little bit and we're going to do a tier list of NBA young cores so these guys all of these teams have a new rookie in there so that'll make things a little interesting so let's put these NBA young cores into a tier list. First off, the Houston Rockets.

They're still pending. Yeah. So they can't be A at all or S. Yeah, I think B is fair. A lot of potential, but they still got to put it together. Yeah, exactly.

They have a lot of talent. Sangun. I doubted them before, but I think Amin Thompson kind of brings it together. I think they deserve it be. Yeah, exactly. Sangun,

green and almond Thompson there's a clear future there we just need to see a little bit of going on the court but they're already way better off than how they were prior to this draft I mean yeah but they still have Kevin Porter Jr. and Jabari Smith Jr. did not look great so I might have to drop them down to a C. Mo what do you think? I think we should stay at B. B it is. Next one the Detroit Pistons. I also I'll put this at a B. I really like Kate Cunningham, but he has to, he has to stay healthy. I'm very concerned about his health right now. I mean, he had one bad injury. He's not, he's not Zion. I'm, I'm a little

concerned. That's my concern. I could have gone to paper because you would have been concerned. I'm going to give him A. I think the trio of Cade, Ivy, and Asar has crazy high ceiling. I think yeah. Yeah, add on Jail and Duren and that mix and then what they yeah. Yeah, like they are definitely an a i damn don't want to put them s but for now i'm gonna put them a we haven't seen a full year of kade and ivy yeah they maybe they should be yes no once kade makes that real star leap this season then they can be s for now a's fair all right the washington wizards yeah go ahead don't now if y'all put this johnny davis jordan pool then this is this is an f tier young corps

kiss mart this is the worst core i've ever seen the only thing worse the only thing worse is the seven and fifty nine charlop bobcats yeah they're at for now but it's first year for rebuild so not a good start this is trash yeah cleaning the slate the spurs well this has to be s because you have it has got one be their s it doesn't matter nothing else matters yeah exactly it's that's like you have victor row that's dear The Trailblazers I hate that I'm giving them a good grade They have a C tier

They have a C tier core Because they have a Scoot and Sharp is a good start They have a C tier They have the oldest young core ever Because they still got Damien Lillard in the core This is C

Yeah I think he's okay The Scoot and Sharp is an incredible start But it's really two guys deep right now So I'm fine with that Simons is too old to be in a young core No he's not how old is he He's on his second contract

He's not in a young core anymore Bro, no, he's young as hell. If he's, if he's 24 and younger, then he's not old, bro. This is easily like a B plus. Anthony Simons. B plus is not real B. What's the cutoff? 24.

He's 24 years old. Okay, it counts. We'll give him a B. Yeah, there you go. The Hornets. C-Tier, you really only have one guy. Or I guess what Brandon Miller. Bridge is being a piece of shit really fun.

plucked him over and made it. Yeah. I was supposed to be Mr. 24th. He's not coming back this year. I think he is. So I don't, I don't want to entertain that. Bridges being a piece of shit,

really screwed him over. They're a C tier at best because they lost one of their core guys is what it is. Facts. Yeah. C easily. They got a lot of buildings to do.

Terry Rosier, Gordon Hayward, PJ Washington. It's not really moving anyone, bro. Yeah. The Thunder. Oh,

S tier. That's here for sure Shea Josh Giddy's nice Jalen Williams Listen he could have made a late push for a rookie of the year Chad Holgren's coming back They are nice We haven't even seen shit yet

They are nice They have a 24 year old legit superstar A two second overall pick coming along the way Two other really high level guys So it's what you want from young court Just picked up Carson Walker Or Carson Wallace too Who is highly touted

Bro that's a W They're absurdly right They're winning Nice There's a lot of good young cores right now It's interesting There's a few years where like There were some like premier young cores

Like building with like Luca, Trey Young, whatever And those guys kind of like aged out It's like last year there wasn't a ton of young cores And it's starting to build up again Yeah this is the new This is called getting old Isaac Get used to it Oh my God

What is fucking stray Okay Next thing we're gonna do We're gonna do another draft of a player draft we're gonna build a perfect player last week we did this with small forwards

today we're gonna draft the perfect shooting guards so let's be fun so let's draft the perfect NBA shooting guards who went first last time I think I went first

so I got third Donovan you got first Mo got second did I first pick yeah you got first pick all right so here we got body shooting finishing passing

and defense okay All right, I'm going to take this guy, just because I really just want to get this category out of the way. Give me Devin Booker's passing. That's a good pick. Wait. Wait, wait, wait, wait. You're taking Devin Booker's passing?

Yes. Yeah. And now he's off the board. Okay. This is my turn? It's a strategic move. Yeah, it's your turn. How's it strategic?

I'm out of loop with that. Okay. Give me Clay Thompson shooting. whatever. Oh, I was about to take that. Damn. I'm like Clay Thompson or like Clay Thompson now. Clay Thompson.

It doesn't matter. He's a great shooter. He's play. Yeah. Okay. That doesn't sound too inspired. You, you saw what he did in the playoffs. Yeah, I did see what he did the playoffs.

You can have that shooting. That's funny. Give me. This is a tough one. Give me Donovan Mitchell shooting. Want to pull off the dribble package? That's good. And then,

hmm, who's the best pass for I can. Is Shay a shooting guard or is Giddy a shooting guard? That's so tricky. It depends on, see, for my sake, I want to screw you over. Who is the shooting guard in this back court? I think it's Shay. Are we going to go, Shea?

Listen, I will allow, if you want either one of them as a shooting guard, I will allow it. Okay. I'm going to assume... Okay, what are they listed at? Let's see if they're listed at. I don't want to get Flamed for this. What is Shea? I think when we did the Shea draft, I mean, the point guard draft, we included Shea.

Shea's listed at point guard. What is Giddy listed at? Giddy is... Power forward. What the fuck? See, that's what I'm saying, bro. The hell is this? I think Giddy's a forward.

Oh, because Jaylon Williams is a shooting guard, I guess. That's so disgusting. Yuck. Okay, let me just not even think about either of them anymore. That just threw me off. What's the way? Real quick, side note. Where was this at?

What did you look on? Bassel reference. Gross. Gross. Okay, and give me Anthony Edwards' body. Dang it. I love that. Thank you.

Okay. I'm athletic and I can shoot the lights out. Cool. Give me Marcus Smart defense. I think he's a point guard. I think he's a point guard. Yeah. Well, are you,

he's, I mean, he's pretty clearly their point guard. Yeah. Damn. So y'all, y'all really doing this to me right now? I mean,

kind of are playing by the rules? Yeah. It's not even a stretch. He's clearly their point guard. man oh my god bro whatever okay anyways go ahead uh give me

yeah go ahead give me shade and sharp body he's athletic as fuck okay could have waited on that but that's an advantage

you could have all right um okay I'm back at back at the rotation I have Devin Booker passing give me Desmond Bain defense okay that's a weird pick and give me CJ McCollum shooting I like that's nice off the dribble is automatic all right so I got shit and short body clay defense who's your play shooting or my bad yeah clay shooting there we go that's where I fucked up at last time all right so whose defense do I want

Go ahead and give me Lou Dort defense. Oh, that's a good thing. That's good. That's good. Okay. Oh, I just had the picks. Okay.

I had a brain part for a second. For shooting, I don't know how he fell to me. Buddy, oh, already picked shooting. Fuck. I was going to say Buddy Hilled.

I forgot already have that. What do I have again? I just have body and shooting. Yes, you picked. Yeah, body and shooting. You have, you have, you have ant, you have ant, you have an body and demon shooting.

Yeah, yeah. Okay. for for defense give me paul do you pick no you haven't do that for defense give me paul george okay so lame bray damn so i have deep why am i having a such a brain fart wait wait no wait are we counting pa jose because we counted him in the small forward draft i don't know he's definitely a shooting guard i mean kawai's is small forward so did i just cheat last time yeah but who cares i mean like we allowed it okay yeah who cares he's definitely a shooting guard

like objectively he's a shooting guard yeah so I have finishing and passing left hmm finishing is a hard one there's not a lot of like high flying finishers at shooting guard don't want jaylon brown's passing

imagine looking at the shooting guard list right now this is not a deep position like at all I know it gets kind of bleak after like now it's bleak now yeah I look at the league and I'm like

relax relax nobody say anything oh my am I forgetting somebody big not just go make your pick I Ced Jim McCollum's there shooting guard clearly I'm forgetting somebody big

are you finishing and I need passing oh give me the Jontay Murray passing okay cheating because he's basically a point guard but he was a two okay that's uh cool so did we decide what josh giddy was or does someone already pick him he's not a guard he's not a forward apparently dude that's that's that's so BS we all notice but anyway i mean yeah jalen william was the two guard yeah that's so weird um anyways i have i have uh finishing left and passing all right so for my

let's do finishing that's the toughest one there's nothing really like outstanding it's very tough yeah exactly that's the toughest one but for finishing damn I would kind of

I kind of wish I switched with someone else but yeah whatever actually let's do passing for now let's do passing let's do passing I think that's more valuable give me where's it going

yeah just give me like five times before he makes it go ahead and give me go ahead and give me a Tyler hero passing whatever Ew yeah it's gross

okay I know puke all right we're gonna double up here for finishing give me Jalen Brown finishing thought about that okay and then for body

give me Jalen Green body Jailen Green body that's nice I'm bodying you every single time you can't I want that I want that athleticism he's jumping out the gym he's jumping out the gym

I wish I wish we had the like the athleticism under like finishing because I wanted him for I wanted some combination of him and Jalen Brown is like finishing him body yeah all right

I got Jalen Brown's strength with Jalen Green's vert that's what I need okay I can see that right mind up give me Jordan Pool finishing Yeah, so much.

Your team is, your player's awful. No, he's not. What do you mean? I got a place, shewled? Sharp body. Give me Kyrie Irving finishing. Oh, we moved him back to a shooting guard. Okay.

Is Luca a shooting guard? Look, this is, okay, now we're playing hopscotch right now. You can play with two, with two points. Somebody has to be the two. Wow. No, just, I don't know. Should I not pick him? this i feel like i feel like he's more of a point guard okay well it doesante murray allowed then

i think when it kind of that's why i was like doesante murray but it's like what i guess it's like it's not in the spirit of the rules man oh you should i pick somebody else i'm thinking like pure like shooting guards like okay there's no like confusion whatsoever don't don't cheat the game okay yeah jack ass you you just take by Dejante Murray too I'm not going back in Zonte Mary

I know give me Zach Levine finishing there you go there you go that's what I thought you were going to take

last time yeah I thought about it nice my layups are sexier so I have Anthony Edwards body that's good

Donovan Mitchell shooting Zach Levine finishing Dejante Murray passing oh did you get defense yeah Paul George defense okay nice your body is is what's getting me so I got shader body I'm athletic as hell I got Clay Thompson shooting Lou door

defense Tyler Harrow passing kind of random and Jordan pool finishing all right I have Jalen Green body C. J. McCollum shooting Desmond Bain defense Devin Booker passing and Jalen Brown finishing Desmond Bayan defense is hilarious. Yeah, that's so weird. Why you pick a game? He's not a lockedout defender. No, he's the,

he's the first name that came to line. I know. He's built like me. He's strong. He's strong. Little arms. Okay.

Next thing we're going to do, let's add some comedy into this bitch. It's been too serious. Okay. We're going to bring back a segment. What does this NBA player look like he would do if he wasn't a basketball player? This could go off the rows real quick.

Yeah, well, just don't be crazy. Let's keep it in line. So. I don't know if I want to do this if I can't be crazy. Fine. Be you. I'll edit out if you say anything crazy. If you've seen any hard cuts,

it's because they got out of line. What would this... What does his NBA player look like he would do if he wasn't a basketball player? Trey Young. I don't know Trey young What would Trey Young do

You know what he would do Trey Young would be a dentist Because he got them big old veneers That's what he would do He's a veneer spokesman Really? That's hilarious I kind of feel like

Trey Young would run the shit out of a daycare I think he would be a great daycare I feel a soft side with Trey Young He has a lisp And he kind of talks funny So I imagine him serving me ice cream on a hot-ass day. I imagine working at Brewster's or something like that.

It just fits him. The ball spot, you know what I'm saying? It's like, it seems like a chill dude. He's ice tray, right? What's wrong? Am I out of market? No, I'm not. He caught him ice tray, so it's like,

he caught my trade for a reason. Snash a colleague. What is it? What is it? What's going on? I'm so serious right now. Oh my goodness. I'm crying.

I'm crying too. Stop making me cry. Showing ice cream is crazy. Yeah. My stomach is so pretty. stomach hurt so bad it's the craziest thing we've ever said

that's so random but is it not accurate though I don't know you can see the vision it's not that crazy I can't breathe oh my god is that it? Is that the TikTok I think that's it

I think that's it oh we're dog God we have five more names I'm not going to survive. I'm dead, I need a tissue. I'm so, my face is so wet. I think we should cut it after that one.

We can't. We gotta keep going. Yeah. I can't make it. I can't make it. Bro, you all have seen me die laughing like four times now. This was the hardest of her laugh.

I said. Because he has a list. What's the correlation? Stop. It's crazy. Stop. I'm gonna throw up Stop

Okay, I'm crying for real tears now Oh my goodness Let's part this on me Oh my god That's wild It's not like super disrespectful Which is hilarious Because like how did that pop into your head?

Oh man Caring all right What We're cover Yeah We're all up in tears Wept in our noses that's hilarious

okay next one Luca Donchich I'm still recovering something about food service me too I'm thinking about some food service I immediately saw him in a kitchen

he's like a set worker on DeBear the show he's over there making he's over there whipping up elite sauces yeah he is fucking cooking that shit to death bro yeah you know the finesse he works with on the court he's a culinary genius yeah it makes sense he's too coordinated not to know what sauce goes where no he does he looks like a he looks like a judge off a chopped

or even then he looks like he honestly would be a baker he would be a fantastic baker too oh yeah no this man's this man's made for food i can tell he would make the mean as cupcakes and also croissants if that was his bag too chrysons is for sure his bag yeah all right donovan you can just set this one out

yeah yeah I took that one exactly I'm back that's a great way to go about I'm back

okay Devin Booker D Book D book D book is selling cars he's selling cars I'm about say he's selling me some me

yeah I like that I like that yeah he's some type of salesman okay I think he's he'd work in an auto body shop. I think he'd be in the first Fast and Furious movie looking real 2002 LA. That that's he's work with he's some type of mechanic. He's a mechanic yeah. Yeah. You see him on Midnight Club, everything. Yeah, he's the guy in a Fast and Furious movie. It's like

the tech wizard that somehow knows like every part of the machines on out of the cars and like somehow that moves over to weaponry and shit. He's leucris. Yeah. Yeah. He like his old school car. He like his old he likes his old school car. So that's definitely way to go. Yeah, he's always saying shit like nothing beats American. muscle. I like him. Oh, sweaty. Next one.

Tyler Hero. He looks like he's selling me phones at Verizon Wireless, bro. He's like trying to become my main. No, he's a tattoo artist. Oh, that's crazy. He's a tattoo artist. I'm about to blow your mind. He works at the surf shops by the beach where he sells you like towels and stuff.

Oh, my God. He was a visor I can't hear it I can't hear it I know how Tyler Hero sounds He works at another place He doesn't he doesn't work at a surf shop He's on the other side of town

Yeah that's not his demo Instead of a surf shot Or a surf shop It might be one of them dudes Who rent jet skis Honestly that might be his bag He works at a shop by the water That's all I see

I see him with a visor on Just like His earing in listen to music, like not being a good worker by any means. I see it. Not being a good worker. That that might be where he's at. Oh, a skateboard shop. Yeah. He saw you Rick and Morty Pipes.

This was ashtrays with like the Simpsons on it. Oh, you thought I said smoke shop. I said skate shop. Oh, that works too, though. I heard smoke too. My bad. That works too. That actually works a little better. he's saying so like kids i can put in the ticot

yeah so you know what he worked he works at a smoke shop there you go perfect that works better he really does like a smoke shop guy yeah

all right Marcus smart he works at a tattoo partner Marcus smart works at with the with the painted hair and everything he works in oh yeah yeah yeah

the dyed hair He does sell me on that. And of course he's had it too. What is he says you to do? He's either, listen, he's on either side of the spectrum. Either he's working at the, at the tattoo parlor, or he's kind of all off. He's some type of freedom fighter, social justice warrior. I can see him in a mean, knit polo, just marching up and down the streets.

This dude, he's a black panther? Yeah. This dude over here, he's a repo man. That's what he does. That's his calling part. Just the worst, bro. Either repo man or you're over here handing people tickets. He's the annoying.

He's the repo Reaper? I think he works at Planet Fitness at the front desk. Hmm. I could see that too. I think he has lots of tips about your workout routine and he'll help you out if you ask me any questions. He's just waiting for you to ask a question. Yeah, he puts his hands on his hips like, conform. This is a gym teacher.

Stephen Adams Lumberjack He doesn't have a job He just like He's a man of the land Yeah he just like He just like figures out a way to eat He finds

He finds places to stay He just he just survives This is a man of nature I think he would never harm an animal He exists among them You might look at him and be like He could fight a bear He would never

Smith is a sensitive bear grills He's the real life Tarzan That's what it sounds like to me Yeah Yeah he's a nice that for him. Yeah. He lives in a treehouse somewhere. Yeah, the, the beard and overall rough look along with a single sleeve tattoo easily losing a treehouse, bro. Okay. Last end of that video. The next thing we're going to do is I'm going to name an NBA player and you guys

have to guess their 2K rating and see who's closer. Oh, okay. So yeah, you might both get it right because you're going to know the range. we'll see who gets closer so I want you to guess this NBA player's 2K rating and we'll see who's closer I want you to guess this NBA player's

2K rating Jordan Poole 801 802 final answers yeah 81 lock it in Donovan is closer 84

damn he's an 84 he shouldn't be but he is yeah surprisingly so you should know that you are high on him there must be some unknown attributes yeah that must be some unknown attributes to his name bro what does he have fucking Riz

I don't know next though Demontis a bonus 86 hmm I'm gonna do the same strategy as last time 87 A loser

Donovan is closer Glade 89 overall Ha damn 89 Wow that's kind of high That's a little bit Hey shout out some bonus

He was all NBA 86 Is so just nice though Yeah it is right But I don't know I just I imagine him getting stomped on his chest That's like the last Facts

My mind He didn't miss a game though Durabilities at a 99 Ooh that's true those are those are important attributes right there He took a size 15 to the chest and lived to play another play

He got beat the fuck up in that series They abused him Yeah Jalen Green Who 83 Jalen green Is in 81

Mo is closer He's in 84 Damn man 84 is okay that athleticism is carrying yeah definitely does not deserve any four so yet yeah what are you doing for it's kind of crazy let's go hey Russell Westbrook 79 76 damn 76 you must not have seen him with the clippers he's in 81 whew ha damn you're watching you recovered that value in those last 10 games

don't even just hopped off straight from the game bro he's cheating an expert over here. I don't even have a PS5 yet. It's on the way. Wow. It's on the way. Broke boys. I don't miss it.

I have other expenses. So I'm planning life events. So I'm saying. I'm an adult. Next up, Jimmy Butler. 92. I'm going to say 93. Lock three.

And for the first time, what if you get it exactly right? He's a 93. Wow. Damn. I knew 2K was going to be, I knew they were going to be. You didn't know anything. You took my strategy against me. You were guessing.

I'm not giving you that win. You shouldn't be pride for that. I knew they're going to be all over that, man, because of the postseason run. No way. Yeah, he's easy in 93. Okay. Last one, Stephen Adams. I feel like he's a solid 81 always

He just screams 81 vibes Super Strengths Rebounding on 10 I'm going I'm going with the We're going to go 83 Okay there we go Wow

Our first tie You're both equally incorrect 82 Damn Makes sense You're both utter failures And you're terrible at this game Damn

Steve Bann was One point off so that's the end of that nice next thing we have the last thing of this episode we're gonna bring back something we haven't done a long time not 20 questions

but you have one minute to guess his NBA player okay who wants to do it you want me to host it you guys want to host it no I'll guess I'll guess okay Mo you want to think the player you want to guess

uh I don't care I'll go ahead and think of uh yeah I want to play Steve, I want to play. Okay. Okay, yeah, I thought of the player. Let me pull up a timer. Do a current player so it's possible.

Yeah. Let me pull up a timer real quick. You got it? No, I can do it. I'll do it. Oh, you'll pull up a timer? Yeah, I got it. Okay, cool.

Save that hook for us. You have one minute to guess. Oh, my bad. You have one minute to get some You have one minute to get the NBA This shit is killing me, bro This is the last time I'll record with this shit God damn it, same shit happened

Fucking geek ass dude All right You have one minute to guess the NBA player I'm thinking of Cool, three two one go Is he in the Western Conference? No Is he a guard?

No, well See a big? Yeah, kind of Okay, so it's like a forward tweener Is he a good shooter? No Is he a good defender? Yes and no

Is he an all-star? No Is he a starter? Yes Good to finish stars Is he Lou Dort? No He's in the West

No Does his team make the playoffs No Well Does his team make the play in Yes Is it Dejante Murray? No

Giondre Hunter No Zach Levine No. Is it, is it, O.J. Anobie.

No. Scotty Barnes. Yes. Let's go! Yeah, Scotty Barnes. Damn. When soon we said,

O'Danoby, I knew I was cucked. Damn it! Out of my damn organizations. Shit! Ah! We got it.

We got it. We do this guessing shame. That's great. 50 seconds. Damn. Y'all were, yeah, y'all were on the brinks. Y'all are on the brinks.

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