The Deep 3 Podcast - Grading Every NBA Star's Playoff Performance | Ep. 141

Episode Date: May 16, 2025

Grading how well every NBA star has played so far in the NBA playoffs! #nba shoutout to @coinbase ! Sign up with code "20DEEP3" at http://coinbase.com/partner/deep3 and get $20 in Bitcoin after yo...u make your first trade. Check out the TD3 merch: https://the-deep-3-shop.fourthwall.com/ Listen on Spotify!: https://open.spotify.com/show/3elbbqVumwqz8wlIdknsLW Listen on Apple Podcasts!: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-deep-3-podcast/id1657940794 Follow us on TikTok!: https://www.tiktok.com/@thedeepthree Follow us on Instagram!: https://www.instagram.com/thedeep3podcast/ Isaac's twitter: https://twitter.com/byisaacg Mo's twitter: https://twitter.com/Mojo99_ Donnavan's twitter: https://twitter.com/Dsmoot3D 0:00- Intro 2:21- Curry & Butler 11:45- Anthony Edwards, Randle, & Gobert 25:14- Sengun 30:55- Luka & Lebron 40:40- Haliburton 43:15- D Mitch, Garland, Mobley, Allen 51:45- Bam & Herro 53:48- Giannis 56:08- Brunson & KAT 1:02:44 Jayson Tatum 1:06:30- Paolo Banchero & Franz Wagner 1:16:33- Harden & Kawhi 1:23:12- Cade 1:27:50- Jaylen Brown, Ja Morant, and Jaren jackson 1:30:52- OKC vs Den Game 6 reaction & grades 2:06:30- tiktok time Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 We got a very special guest in with us today, record this show, someone that, I don't know as a Lakers fan, I know a little bit, know a little decently well. As a LeBron fan, I know a little decently well. Someone that you jackasses have never met a day in your life as a fan, someone you never even thought about seeing in person, seeing at a parade with your team. We've got to Larry O'Brien here today.
Starting point is 00:00:18 I'm nine wins away. We're going to get it. He's coming home. Doubt. He's coming home. This guy can't even say anything about wins. He's never experienced anything close to this. Listen, man
Starting point is 00:00:31 At least my ancestors I've seen them They met him I received through my wind I felt this Through my guilt Through the LeBrons Through the Steph Currys
Starting point is 00:00:40 You know Through the Covys So although my team Haven't experienced it just yet I live through those eyes Sad It is Pitiful
Starting point is 00:00:48 It is It could never be me Tough Again I had bedtime stories It was fun I've been there I've seen it with my own eyes Blah blah blah
Starting point is 00:00:58 But with that being said Outside of us having Delirio O'Brien Trophy in person here today to chat along with us. The real one. We could diamond test it right now. The real one. It's not the fake one. It's not the one that you're going to see at the sphere in Vegas.
Starting point is 00:01:11 This is the real one. 2025. Shout out the NBA for sending it to a trophy that the Oklahoma City Thunder are going to have at the end of the season. They're going to hang it up in their trophy case. Not the Knicks. You can win on that bar. But aside from that, as you guys see by that title, today we're going to be grading every
Starting point is 00:01:26 single NBA stars playoff performance. So we want to do this because it's been very interesting to see how harshly NBA basketball has changed from regular season and playoffs this year. We talked about it for the past three weeks. It's been a ridiculous level of physicality that most stars are performing worse, as you'd expect, because they're allowed to get punched in the chest every time of the dribble the ball. So we're going to look across the entire NBA and really just gauge how each star has been able to hold up to these different conditions, who's risen, who's fallen? Yeah, man, talk about everybody. Let's do it. Who do you want to talk about first?
Starting point is 00:01:57 Yeah, who started with? First, cue the intro music. Motherfuckers almost forgot. I did. Let's go ahead and start with the series of the series that ended yesterday. We're recording this on Thursday morning. Also, we're going to do the Denver Nuggets and OkC. players at the end of this episode because we're going to record again tonight to give you guys
Starting point is 00:02:31 a live reaction to whatever happens in game six so we're saving those guys for the end let's start with the series the ended last night the warriors and the timber wolves we got a grade anthony edwards and step curry obviously and then we're throwing ruddy gober and julius randle as well and jubbler yeah i just had to say a prayer because you know it's over it's over it's over it's over rip the dream our rp the dream let's start with the warriors obviously you know they were a team that was in god damn disarray to start the year everybody was dancing around their grave and then they got Jimmy Butler who came in
Starting point is 00:03:01 and really was one of the most impactful mid-season trainings of all time. It was their saving grace. Absolutely. I don't know if you've ever seen the mid-season trade be this impactful. They were like number three in that rating post-trade. They were number one defense in the league
Starting point is 00:03:13 up there with the OKC Thunder, like top five in offense as well. Really dominant and all that shit came crashing down because Steph Curry pulled his hamstring in game one of the series. What do you grade in the playoff run overall for Steph Curry first? It's tough because
Starting point is 00:03:28 the series against the rockets it wasn't amazing right like it was a it was a very very tough series and they i feel like they really really pushed his body and the limits to which he can carry a team at this stage in his career i'm i'm still going to give him an a minus just because i'm going to give him an a minus because we didn't get a like start to finish amazing stuff crazy series however if you look at this series and you look at how bad the war are offensively you get to actually see how much he's carrying on a night to night basis how much of that offense he's putting on his back and what they look like without him so just his presence on the floor means so much so i'm giving him an a minus for that i can understand
Starting point is 00:04:13 you want to give him an a minus he did have a pretty good series as good as it can get when it comes to going against a defense like the houston rockets but he got hurt he had a couple stinkers i think one or two thinkers in that series and on top of that That's it. Yes, he got hurt at the end of the day. So that immediately, like, eliminates you from being in the A, any A conversations. But, again, when he was playing for those 12 minutes and 54 seconds, exactly he was terrorizing the Minnesota Timberwolves. I'm not going to hold the injury against him personally.
Starting point is 00:04:45 I'm going to give an A. I think what we've seen is made it clear that that Rocket's defense is serious. They, I think that the Warriors didn't get hurt. I mean, Curry didn't get hurt. The Warriors probably wouldn't want the series. that's not crazy to say or at least they would have had a chance right it wouldn't have been
Starting point is 00:05:00 to blow out it turned out to be obviously I think the Warriors were in good position obviously they won game one without Curry for the large part this playoff series showed to me that the Rockets defense is even better than we thought they put up a crazy fight
Starting point is 00:05:12 and like you said every single star in this playoff the whole series like I mean set a series most of them saw their efficiency drop because of the increased physicality because the increased attention this motherfucker curry shot
Starting point is 00:05:24 60% from two 60% from two against an amazing offense when Jimmy Butler was good but not dominate or anything because like I said that Rock's defense did a very good job overall took it to seven for a reason. I think Curry showed that he's kind of different that a lot of these young stars who are more to the whims of whatever the defense allows them.
Starting point is 00:05:43 Curry got his game off. I don't hold against him that you got hurt so I'm really judging him on the first round. To me it's an easy. Yeah, I'm going with that. And just to double down on how bad this offense is and how bad the warriors, like the, how dire their situation was, Steve Kerr had to turn to his arch nemesis, Jonathan Camillo.
Starting point is 00:06:02 His archelis and actually give him some playing time and be like, here. Like, we need some type of spark. We need some type of athleticism. We need you in the game right now. And so, I mean, this series, they lost it 4-1, and we're going to talk about it whenever we talk about the wolves. But, like, it wasn't even a dominant, performance. It wasn't a dominant four-one because Golden State, they could have won game three.
Starting point is 00:06:29 Yeah. And Minnesota, even last night, they had a very big lead. It got windowed down into single digits as you get to the end of the game. They'd never put their foot on the Warriors next and there was always an opportunity. And so you look at this entire series and it is a massive what-if because again, if Steph was there, could they have gotten game three? Are we going to a game six to, you know, in a couple of days? Like he and his lifting and his gravity has done so much for this team throughout his entire tenure there, but it's never been felt more than when they didn't have it. And that was this entire postseason.
Starting point is 00:07:03 Yeah, this playoff run is just everything we know by stuff. Kerry. We know him to be a guy who, even when he has bad games, it's going to rise others around him because of his style of play. We know he's going to be resilient. They're going to be efficient almost no matter what, even if the volume is down, which the volume wasn't even that down. He ever's 24, 6 and 6 against the Rockets.
Starting point is 00:07:17 So pretty much just a great series all around. I don't think we have to do any caveats. Yeah, I mean. Jimmy Butler. How do you feel what Jimmy Butler in this series? finish off before we turn the page to Jimmy Buller real quick. My final agree for Steph Curry is like a B plus. I agree with you guys when it comes to A overall.
Starting point is 00:07:33 I'm taxing you. It's just a little bit for not being able to at least be on the court, bare minimum. But if you want to turn a page to Jimmy Butler, he absolutely cannot receive an A. No. Seeing how much he's either regressed, I don't want to say mentality-wise, but just overall. His mental is weaker? No, I'm not saying mentality-wise, but seeing how he's just not capable or not wanting to be capable to go out there and score 30 is jarring. I think this postseason was the first time.
Starting point is 00:08:08 I don't know if he scored 20. I don't want to say he didn't score 25 once this postseason. No, he did. He did. He has a big games. And in the play and he did well in the last few games of the season. They're fighting for playoff positioning, which is, damn news. He had like over 25 twice in the rocket series.
Starting point is 00:08:22 But I'm with you, though. You saw it plenty of times, and they even noted it on the broadcast in game. He had 33 in game three, but yeah, in game four. Yeah. Where the, if you don't have Steph Curry, everybody knows that you are looking at this team and you are looking at Jimmy Butler as the primary offensive creator. Why do you only have eight shots? Like this, this should have been a series.
Starting point is 00:08:45 Jimmy Butler could have had 35 shot attempts a night and I wouldn't have blinked because you look at everybody else and you're like, you can't make your own shot. You're the only person who really has an opportunity of doing that. And whether or not you think it's forcing or not, it's the Dionne Waiters thing of like, I'd rather you go 0 for 30 than 0 for 9. I feel sick watching him go, you know, 4 of 11 rather than 4.30. Can we address an elephant in the room? No.
Starting point is 00:09:09 His ass is broken. That's what I'm saying. Listen, I know it's hard to play with when your booty hurts. But like, you have to step up and you have to, you have to take more shots because there were opportunities for. for him to take shots and it felt like he was trying to be very, very, not even passive, but like, um, play. He wanted to be a playmaker first and let the game come to him like usually does. I understand. But I am willing to accept that the fact that his tailgrown is probably cracked and he probably missing games was in the playoffs. I'm willing to accept that
Starting point is 00:09:39 has something to do with it. You know, like it's hard to be aggressive, planting off your legs when you're a finishing physical score that really thrives on getting to the paint, drawing fouls and being stronger than people. It's probably hard to do that when your lower body is compromised. So I'm not going to name him too much for that. I'm also, I'm not going to give an A. So I'm not going to say, you know, we didn't see playoff Jimmy by any means. He didn't necessarily rise all ties like we've seen him do in the past. But when we account for the injuries, there was the highs to go with the lows. I feel like B minus, maybe C plus you want to be a little more pessimistic and not give him benefit of the doubt. Yeah. That feels fine
Starting point is 00:10:09 to me. Yeah, I can't give him a C person. I'd be comfortable laying in B, simply because that injury was apparent. And before this injury, he did have plenty of games where he would get off as 2730 but also like he'd be super comfortable giving off 15 and 17 being more of a facilitated like you said and empowering all the guys around him like pods and moody and all that so it's been disappointing but again he's going through injuries but when he's been yeah of course you got to add that onto it as well but when it comes to him trying to maximize everything with what he's able to do again with through the injury I think he did okay It's disappointing, but...
Starting point is 00:10:49 And I think defensively, he has been really good, too. Like, in both these series, they've given these young stars hell. Sanguin has some really good spike games. We'll talk about him later. He had some rough games. Obviously, we know what happened in Jalen Green. Anthony Edwards has a bit of a mixed bag in the series. He's so good that he's found a ways to provide value,
Starting point is 00:11:04 but his rim scoring has been non-existent. And that's because the Warriors' defense, you know, they're not anchored by Rudy Gobert. It's because they have like four or five really smart, good defenders, things we talk about for a long time that makes it really hard to get down low on them. Jimmy's played a big part of that. He's been very good defensively.
Starting point is 00:11:19 I'm giving him a C plus. That's fair. It's not crazy. Yeah. I just think there were times that, again, I just, you just want to see more, more shot attempts, a little bit more aggressiveness. And it's unfair to ask of playoff Jimmy in the version of playoff Jimmy where he's going to give you, you know, 50 point games, 40 point games, doing all of that.
Starting point is 00:11:39 But I got to get just a little bit more. And I didn't see that. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's because of the injury, but it's not crazy. I think that's the range of being understandable. Let's go over to the Timberwolves Stick in this series
Starting point is 00:11:50 Anthony Edwards What are we giving him? Obviously, like I said It's been up and down With him There's been flashes of just insanity Like those couple of games Against the Lakers
Starting point is 00:11:58 Where he just tore them to shreds In the paint Because he realized they have no bigs And I can get through every single play And obviously he shot really well The three point shot is Been a little bit lower I think he's shooting like 38%
Starting point is 00:12:08 Instead of 40 like in the regular season But still elite the weapon But goddamn Cavon Luni and Dramon Green And giving him a hell out the rim He shot I didn't check the stats off for the last game but before last game, he was shooting 51% at the rim.
Starting point is 00:12:20 And I think I've seen him miss more layups than I've ever seen any human mislaups in my goddamn life. That's been there. But also the passing has been outrageous. That's been a big leap. So lots of good. Some small dings. Where do we go overall?
Starting point is 00:12:32 I think overall I'm still giving him an A because in his playoff career so far, this is the best still that he's been going towards the rim. Although his efficiency is trashed. I think it's at like 53% at the room now. After last screen? Yeah, which isn't still encouraging whatsoever. It's horrible. But the three-point shooting and also the passing and the decision-making, which has been a huge issue for him in the past has improved dramatically.
Starting point is 00:12:58 And so for that, I'm just giving him Mnay still. What a huge jump. It was 51% after the last night's game. Now it's 56% actually. Oh, wow. So, again, that's still not good. It's 66% in the regular season. Or no, 64 in the regular last playoffs, it was 66, last regular season 69.
Starting point is 00:13:13 So he's capable of much better. His lay-up touch has been really off. that that's kept them that really kept the Warriors in some of these games if Anthony Edwards had a better rim scoring playoff series
Starting point is 00:13:22 they would have really really won these games with some command so that is a thing but bro he had 11 assists last night his playmaking has been outrageous
Starting point is 00:13:30 from where he started even the beginning of last year's playoffs yeah I'm going I'm going A minus the whole Wolves team as a whole they've been
Starting point is 00:13:37 unserious in a lot of these games whereas like you really should be winning this by like 35 but I can't so but I don't want to hold that too much against him. I think that he's done an amazing job, realizing the moment.
Starting point is 00:13:52 And there's times where, you know, Julius Randall, who we're going to talk about, he's been hooping. He's been doing his thing, right? You've had Nozri games. You've had Jaden McDaniel games. But when you get to the third quarter of a game four, what happens? MP Edwards, like, okay, I'm going to take over now. I'm going to go on a 12-0 run myself. I'm going to knock down, you know, four, five, threes in the quarter. I'm going to, I'm going to do that. Oh, you're trying to, you're trying to double me, trying to get the ball out of my hands, I'm going to be patient now, now I'm setting everybody else up, figuring out what his team needs exactly when they need it and still allowing everybody else to eat, that's one of those developments that
Starting point is 00:14:30 you normally see when people are like 25, 26, they've been in the playoffs for five, six years now. That's happening now. And so we are, like last year the conversation was, is Anthony Edwards the best shooting guard in the league? That's cool. He has that now. Now we're talking about top ten top seven top six how high is he going on the list because of all the things that that he's done this year he's a top seven player in the world lock i think okay i think it's the top five guys that we know also yokech yonis shay luka tatum is your top five guess number six you guys start talking about aunt i agree he's directly in those conversations right afterwards um seeing these no one was talking about him talking about him like this to this
Starting point is 00:15:12 degree for the entirety of the year of course like we all knew he was top 10 but he was towards the back half of the top 10 now he's like in the middle he's the he's directly in the middle of those conversations and that's because of the leaps that we saw in that lakers in that lakers playoff series and also of course like what we've seen through this waries playoff series as well more so the lakers him limiting those turnovers and just really like showcasing that he he has grown as a decision maker and just has he plays with a completely different pace. I feel like his decision making now mimics his
Starting point is 00:15:44 dribble. He's so good at decelerating and stopping and going. And now it seems like he reads the four at that same exact pace. Have you ever seen someone talk shit after they made an elite pass? Never see that. That's him. Anthony Edwards does that for no reason. Yeah, I also don't
Starting point is 00:16:00 give a damn what he says, this is face the league content right here. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Whether you like it to not, buddy, you are the face of the league. This is a one of them. This is an A2 performance because I mentioned the areas where he struggled a little bit in the series and he still dominated it regardless. And I think one of the signs of being one of the best players in the world is even when your shot isn't falling, when you're struggling to finish the rim, look like
Starting point is 00:16:21 his body's throwing him right here. It's crazy. You still finish it. But even when you're struggling in certain areas, you still control the game because you're so multifaceted that you can close out the series scoring less than 20 but having got down 12 assists. You can still be lethal from three. You can succeed despite something's not falling your way. That's the sign of somebody who's a well-rounded star dude they traded they went to the conference finals last year shook the entire team up added julius randall and they're back in the western conference final and see dumbasses like us we're like why would you do this because not like get me out of this conversation because they simply made the bet that it won't matter and is like that that we can give him enough and he'll make up for
Starting point is 00:16:58 anything that happens and we'll make it work he's played such a big part of making it work as long with julius randle and them like yes everything has gone well the bet has gone precisely we've talked of this at length about why we're wrong about them so it's nothing new but actually let's talk about randall now because we should absolutely we all second half of the year came around to this trade we um we saw it started off quite terribly it was a anthony edwards offense and a julius randall offense to start the year that didn't quite mesh to be expected now that we look back when you have a new injection of talent that plays so differently than cat so the whole world overreacted we act like it was doom and gloom because it was so bad to start because we had never seen it be good
Starting point is 00:17:34 right so naturally as humans we overreacted once they got the feet under them once they figured out worthy i want to be on the court they switched their main offensive look to being julius randall as a screener and rudy gober in the dunker spot with julius randall focusing on the short roll passing to gobert taking advantage of a size down low and obviously i think edwards take a bigger jump shot approach to make up for that lack of spacing so he can provide the space all this things worked well we all said this is a good team right but the question was still in the air what version of julius randle will come out in the playoffs absolutely Whether it be fair or not, everybody has a reservation because he's only been there a few times
Starting point is 00:18:08 and he has not performed up to his regular season standards in those games. Yeah. He shut all that shit down. He performed amazing in the series. This is the best version of Julius Rangler that we've ever seen, like, period. Through his all-N-B-A years, through his all-star years, like this version right here is peak Julius Randall. I think this is one of my biggest personal Ws that I've had on this show. This year, because when this trade initially happened, I was high on the-
Starting point is 00:18:34 peak of it happening, which is like the Dante, Dante Divensendez-O-Naz-Reed and all that, like sufficing the shooting that they were missing out when it comes to Carr Anthony Towns. One thing that none of us were able to see is Anthony Edwards being the true answer for that shooting gap. But seeing how Julius Randall's impact defensively kind of is so much different from what they were last year.
Starting point is 00:18:59 They're still, they were a lead defensive team last year, still are this year. It just looks more different and it's more. scalable like the word that we use that we like to say scalable for the sake of him being more mobile and being able to move his hips in a certain way that carna's someone like coronary town just isn't able to do you know it's funny looking back yeah examining our own biases whenever this had happened we didn't like it because we saw them figured out with cat and they reached a high level and I think we viewed cat as a good long-term partner for anthony edwards because
Starting point is 00:19:29 slashing guards basing big you don't want to break that up right and it was you just succeeded so well, why break it up now? So we had that in our heads. A year before that, we hated the Carauthentowns and Rudy Gober fit because they're two bigs that don't make sense naturally, but they figured it out. When they make the trade for Randall, obviously we had reasons to doubt it that weren't entirely flawed, but we've just pretended like the cat thing is a perfect fit. They succeeded in spite of the fit. This is a much more natural fit, and they got past the week as I started the season like we talked about, and they found a way to maximize Randall and maximize Gobert together. It is so much more natural.
Starting point is 00:20:03 to have a power forward next to go bare than two centers. It's worked out precisely as you could have hoped as a Timberwolves. Yeah, they just, I mean, the Timberwolves and they've never been a franchise that gets goodwill whenever they make wild moves. That's fair. That's fair. And so for them to finally have the first bit of like actual tangible success that they've had, what, I guess 2017, you have the Jimmy Butler stuff, even that came crashing down.
Starting point is 00:20:25 So really, since 2004, since the KG stuff, this is the first time where I actually felt real. And then as soon as you get there, you blow it up. It's like, yo, what are you doing? Like, you're moving kind of wild. So I think a lot of that on a lot of the, you know, like pushback on it from that perspective was you're the Tim Wolves and you have a little bit too much dip on your chip. For Julius Randall, I, man, I was up last night going, I was going through my camera. I was looking at old pictures. I was like, man, I'm missing.
Starting point is 00:20:53 And I'm, I'm, exactly. I was just very proud and very happy for Julius Randall because the two playoff runs that everyone likes to point to, he was hurt. Like, he was, he was hurt in one and miscast as one option and the other. So in the first five-off series with the Knicks, he shot 30% from the field, his second one, which he was hurt again also, 37% from the field. Yeah, so he was going through through some stuff. And for him, for a lot of, for a lot of players, you know, if you're, if you're injured and you're out there, you still are going to be held to a certain standard.
Starting point is 00:21:27 And that's kind of what happened with, with Randall. But so I never, I never necessarily thought that he was like a bad, postseason player but the thing that I the thing that I thought that really switched halfway through we again we've talked about it before is just his his attitude and his demeanor because you can tell when he's locked in you can tell when he's bought in the fact that they were able to actually get that buy in that is hands down for for them so Anthony Edwards a a a minus Julius Randall a plus astounding good for him and like so this might this might be more about Dremont Green and his maybe slight regression.
Starting point is 00:22:06 Back a few years ago, this would have been a series where you said Dremont Green's that locked that bully ball shit up. He's a perfect defender for this. Not this year. Not this year. Julius Randall had his way. Dremont Green was not able to slow him down. Just an excellent performance from Randall.
Starting point is 00:22:19 I'm excited to see in the next round. I'm excited to see if they face the nuggets, I think obviously we've probably got a favor of the Timberwolves. They've had the number for a while. If they face a thunder, my God, it's going to be a war. I cannot wait. Wait, so for Dremont, What do you guys give in this?
Starting point is 00:22:33 I'm not grading Dremont as I start anymore. Yeah, I can't, I can't, I can't, but where do you go there? How do you, how do you feel, how do you feel, though? Because like, because there's, there's, we don't have to give it a grade, but like moving forward with Dremont, do you still feel, I guess, a level of confidence? Yeah, I feel good about him. It's just hard to get, it starts to grade him when you don't have, like, his lead guy, you know? Dremont's all at this point. Everything that was said about him is not being able to succeed without Curry.
Starting point is 00:22:58 That shit is damn sure true now when he's 35. So I take away nothing. for his performance without Kerry. You want to know a fun fact. Yes. Julius Randall's nickname on basketball reference, I didn't know this, was is Don Julio. Nice. Insane.
Starting point is 00:23:13 Nice. Sick. Rudy Goberra, I'm also giving an A. A's all around for the Timberwolves. I think Rudy. We always, you guys know, I'm a big Rudy Gobert defender always have been. I always got to hear the dumb shit every start of the playoffs. He's going to get played off the floor.
Starting point is 00:23:26 He can't hang defensively in the playoffs. It's always been BS. Obviously, he held up amazingly defensively. He does 99% of the time. but offensively he tore the Lakers to shreds and even this series had some effective games bro talk about talk about Rudy Goubert in the closing games
Starting point is 00:23:43 that he's had bro he put up 27 and 25 or whatever it was against the Lakers and then this past game he put up 17 this is no coincidence in the second half of the season really lasts like 15 games Rudy Gaubert had the best scoring stretch of his entire career and that's because what I mentioned they switched to Julius Randall as a pick and roll threat and parked Rudy Gobert in the dunker spot and said they're going to have to help on Randall because they're
Starting point is 00:24:03 going to have to put two on the ball on Anthony Edwards every time. Randall's going to roll down. They're not going to let him dunk. We're going to dump it off to you every time. You're going to be a beast as a lob catcher as an offensive rebounder. You're essentially going to be a one-man zone on offense where you're going to be down there whole time and just be gigantic. And he has excelled at that. He has been a force down low. It's so much better of a way to use him than as a pick and roll big where he has the terrible hands to drop inside passes against rolls, doesn't have the passing chops. Now he has to be large and dunked the ball and he's done such a good job at that. He's having
Starting point is 00:24:32 legit offensive value. There is times whenever the offensive lack of touch comes out and you see him still suck at that. But overall, they found a really smart way to use him. A's all around. Good job. Defend your man's. Defend your man's. I agree. I agree. I'm not speaking on it. You better not.
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Starting point is 00:25:09 with us this episode. Let's get you right back to the show. Let's move on to the Rockets guys. Let's talk about the guys that the Warriors eliminated. What are we getting grading Alper and Sangoon in his first playoff run? I'm giving Alphrens Sengoon an easy A as well. I think this playoff one. Yeah, it's easy a. I think it's easy a. easy for me personally because I was skeptical about how he would translate into play off basketball and seeing him raise his standard like his standard for me person was a little lower and I didn't know how we would react to such a defense like the Golden State Warriors and seeing him although like there's this there's an infamous play
Starting point is 00:25:50 I think it was game five or six and where he was I sowing against Draymond Green it's Dramon Green no one was going to call a thought at the end of that game but seeing how he stood on business and maintained his offensive game and all the ancillary skills that he has, which is like whether it be the post up or the face-up game or whether it be like his, that like one shot, I don't know if it's called a floater or push shot, whatever it is. Like he has that to his game coming to works. Makes me feel really good about him in his future in the postseason and continue to do
Starting point is 00:26:19 damage. It's a star player. He was that dude for the Rockets. And I was unsure whether or not he was going to be able to maintain that status. How can me be? I think defensively, very impressive. I think he held up well. That's obviously always
Starting point is 00:26:30 from the question with Sengoon. And in the regular season, he had already shut that up. He already had a great regular season defensive year. Obviously, you've got to see what it looks like in the playoffs against a good offense.
Starting point is 00:26:38 And he held up well there. I don't have any... I honestly feel better about his defense now than I do his offense, which is crazy. Like, he's completely flipped. I think he is perfectly fine
Starting point is 00:26:47 defensively. I have no issues. Offensively, I think... So he had two great games. He's for 26 and 31, game one and game four. And in those games, he looked like a goddamn beast.
Starting point is 00:26:56 I was like, okay, that's the All-Star selection right there. The gaze between there was, you know, you saw the sometimes limitations. He only had a 46% effective football percentage for the series. Don't tell me that. That's pretty horrible for a seven footer that doesn't shoot the ball.
Starting point is 00:27:09 So that's pretty terrible. He is not seven feet. Six to ten, whatever. But for a big man who doesn't have an outside shot, that's goddamn horrendous. But the offensive infrastructure is obviously terrible for the rockets. So he has to get shots up and that's a chuck. So we understand that he'd be more efficient if he was elsewhere and in a better system that
Starting point is 00:27:25 doesn't say go be superhero with we're going to rely on offensive rebounds because we know you can't score one-on-one and either can these guys consistently? So context understood. That's why he's so inefficient. But I think you did see the limitations of him not having an outside shot,
Starting point is 00:27:38 how they had to be so reliant on the volleyball system with Stephen Adams getting rebounds. I wasn't like, I think there was good signs that we know he can get his scoring game off and have these flashes, but it was also like, you know, the offense isn't good still.
Starting point is 00:27:53 We still have, he still has to develop the outside shot. We would still like to get other creators in there so we don't have to be so, reliant on him, I think defensively A, offensively B minus, so I'll give him a B overall. Okay. I feel the same way. Maybe C plus.
Starting point is 00:28:10 The flash is too good for that for me. Offensively, maybe C plus. Just because the stuff that we've talked about for the last year and a half where it's kind of flipped in terms of his game and it's like, yo, why can't you make layups? And you go into these final games, and he's getting opportunities. Granted, he's going up against Raymond Green, but, you know, he's not going up against Draymond every single play.
Starting point is 00:28:37 All of those playoffs were not on him. And so there's a lot of opportunities where he's right, he's right there at the room. He could turn. And he showed you that he's skilled enough to get into those positions, and he just wasn't finishing well. And so, yes, he's going up against a tough defense. Yes, the offense isn't amazing. It's also kind of damning that, like, our best.
Starting point is 00:28:56 strategies to have somebody else here to pick up your misses because we know that that's going happen a lot and so I I want to see a little bit more also the the frito shooting was also really really weird yeah just just 62% for the series the rockets as a as a whole left so many points on the on the floor because they couldn't knock down free throws and so that's another area where it's your touch has to as to be there and it just it just wasn't so I'm giving him like C plus you could talk me into B minus right maybe I'm being a little bit harsh but I'm going to probably C plus I you're being a little harsh just because he really has no fucking help like he really has no help at all like Dalen green where are you milk carton good god but you're right
Starting point is 00:29:40 I mean the last two games he shot 44% from two and 36% from two so we saw the up and down the limitations the strengths like he is still a flawed player offensively and whenever those strengths really show he has those spike games but if he's not getting the game off quite as much they're defending him well you see that the counters aren't quite there doesn't have the offball shooting the pick and roll finishing the type of stuff that players of other body types other play styles would have to like give them a high floor but he also doesn't have the help to get the high floor so exactly i'll okay i'll update it i'll give him a i'll give him a i'll give him a b plus because what i did see he got that dog he does that dog he has he has dog in him his mindset
Starting point is 00:30:20 yes on a thousand and so for for this for this team that is very uh as, you know, obviously anchored by their defense. You know how Ema wants to play. Having your best players, and especially going into an offseason where you don't really know who's going to be there, having that mentality and that anchor and that player on your team who you know, if anything goes down, at least we have, at least we have him. He's not scared of anything. That actually means a lot in the playoffs and in these series.
Starting point is 00:30:46 So I'm, shout it to you and your dog, Sangu. Yeah, I'm not going to absolutely hate on the C selection for you, but me personally, again, the dog is. No, I just upgraded it because of the dog. Okay. Shut up the dog. It's the dog factor. Okay, let's talk about the team that the wolves eliminated in the first round, the Lakers. Obviously, we have Luca and we have LeBron.
Starting point is 00:31:05 Much was made of Luca's defense and the downfalls of that. I think that to me, we talked about this. It's much more about the fact that there's no room protectors, no good defenders around him. He's not insulated at all. So he's not a good defender, clearly, but I think the degree to which that, like, sinks you is a bit exasperated by being in the worst goddamn defensive infrastructure you can imagine for that. So I don't dig him too. much for that. Offensively, he got his scoring off. That was pretty much fine. He had some good games, some slower games. Passing-wise, the Timberwolves did the exact same strategy. The Celtics
Starting point is 00:31:34 did to slow down his impact as a passer. He said, you're going to have to win one-on-one, isolate every single time. We're not helping. We're not giving you those skip passes. They had no counter for that as a team. So we saw a decent scoring output. Only 5.8 assists. It's 5.9 in the finals last year. So same type of thing. That's his floor. And bad defense. What do we grade this for Luca. Another thing to add on top of that, too, something that stuck out like a sore thumb for Luke in his game or his series against the Lakers is that this was the lowest amount of touches that he was able to get into the pain. This is his rim scoring, like, plummeted. This is the lowest in his career in this playoff career. And so I'm heavily knowing that as well. And like
Starting point is 00:32:12 you said, like because they made him play a lot of like one-on-one ice ball, he had the toughest shots in the world. And of course, he's going to make a good amount of him. But I'm noticing that drop off as well. I think that's more so a product of what the Timberville's game plan. But nonetheless, I'm still giving him an A. His standard's too high for it. I've seen him be a god. We have to grade everybody to their standard.
Starting point is 00:32:33 We've seen him be one of the best playoff risers destroying teams. Oh, my bad. I give him B plus. I'll give him a B straight up. I think his rim scoring was actually something that I wasn't. I wasn't terribly upset with his rim scoring. He got their 21% of his shots in 2022 playoffs. He made the card's finals was 22%. So similar amounts
Starting point is 00:32:48 overall. And he did shoot 71% there for the series, which when he first got in the Lakers uniform, my God, he had no rim pressure at all. We saw that pick up towards the end of the season. I think he looked decent there. But like you said, the wolves made that very difficult. So I think the efficiency there, despite how difficult it was, I feel good about that overall. I should just, it's just hard to grade him when the team was so ill-equipped to make his strength shine. I'll go B-minus.
Starting point is 00:33:13 I think, yeah. B-miss, wow. As somebody who severely overrated the Lakers coming into that series, you saw very quickly that they were outmatched. And so at that point, it's like, you know what? On to next year, just show me something. And the very, very high level of Luca and the level that he can get to that is over a lot of other people is his shopmaking and his tough shot making.
Starting point is 00:33:43 And can you show me the ability that when it's one-on-one, if you have any other other defender it's just not going to matter and you're going to be able to make something happen that's still there and so I feel good about Luca going into next year and I feel good especially if the Lakers are able to go out and get a vertical threat for him and get that release to where you can get the full aspect of his game oh you mean like Mark Williams yeah yeah in that range something like that I wish that was available yeah if they could get someone you know like the mark williams of the world naturally that then it can make it work but so he's fine he's far swagger jacking yeah he had 30 points seven rebounds five point
Starting point is 00:34:25 eight can't pay homage no more like no right nobody wants to nobody wants to have legacy nobody wants to have influence so just swagger jacking but yeah seven seven one percent at the rim 34 percent from three i think we saw the the games when they almost won when they lost in the fourth quarter and they were there it was largely because luka had crazy shot making runs and kept them in the game so you saw he can do that it's it was just i don't know so much is going to be made he's he's going to get so slandered which comes to the territory is not is everything's not his fault that other people were pissing down their legs but like the slander comes to the territory so i'm not saying you shouldn't criticize him calm a cone whatever you want that happens when you lose
Starting point is 00:34:59 the first round as a star of his magnitude but you really cannot exaggerate just how much the house of cards that is the laker supported cast fell apart around him like every flaw they had that made it so when the trade happened we said this doesn't make sense but they succeeded in spite of it And we're like, maybe they'll keep going. No, they didn't keep going. Every flaw in the roster shined in the series. Like, he truly had no infrastructure to make him look good. It was terrible.
Starting point is 00:35:22 What do you grade in LeBron? What are you grading your king, your 40-year-old king, who had a pretty solid playoff run. Yeah. 25, 9 and 5, 45.5 effective philgo percentage, two steals and 1.8 blocks. Yeah, he was fantastic defensively. He led the league in the playoffs and fast break points
Starting point is 00:35:37 and also second chance points as well. He was hustling. He was hustling for sure. Um, his score was a little bit inconsistent, but with all that being said, I think he still performed to 40 year old LeBron standards, for sure. I can't just say LeBron standards anymore because those things are nerfed, nerfed a little bit. But I think he filled in his role pretty well. Offensively, I wish he was able to get his back off a little bit more. I think he snuck in like a random like 38 point game or something like that. And he took like 19 or 20 free
Starting point is 00:36:09 those. Nice. So I feel like. I feel pretty good about giving him a B. Yeah, I was going to say B plus, maybe A minus. Defensively, he's the only reason these games weren't four straight blowouts. He carried so much of the low defensively. You know how hard it is to ask this 4-year-old guy who has to also give you 25 points and 5 assists to go out there and be your only low-man defender? When we're going to have DFS and Rui out there.
Starting point is 00:36:32 LeBron, you're at the center, essentially. You're going to be the weak-side shot blocker. You're in charge of rebounding more than anybody. You have to do all the dirty work, have the entire interior presence. That's you, Mr. Oldman. And he's like, bet I'll do that all. So lead the league and transition point scored. I'll also run a lot.
Starting point is 00:36:48 That's a lot to ask for. And I think similar to Luca, he didn't have a great infrastructure, everything collapsed when the Timberwolves made all the weaknesses to shine. He did about as much as I could hope for. Yeah, exactly. I agree. But we also see that the days of him being this elite score or cooked. Like the line is without Luca and he's the lane scoring option.
Starting point is 00:37:05 Don't create good offense anymore. So good and bad, that's just what we're going to take away forever, I think. he had one game where he gave everything that he could in that game three and you saw you saw lebron try to do absolutely everything he was going for because he tried to get him up two one and they couldn't capitalize they go down to one and at that point you're playing from behind and everywhere else his three point shooting in this series wasn't bad one for five and one for five had a five for nine game in game three two for four one for five he shot 33 for for the for the series not terrible but the one game really carried the percentage yeah yeah I wrote down 35 I guess maybe maybe I missaw it but either way
Starting point is 00:37:50 that one game really carried the percentage so yeah it wasn't a consistent shot making performance but how could it be when he has to be the entire defense essentially yeah everything of round luka and lebron is horrible and they got to recreate this entire roster to make sense but I I feel like the only things you can take away is they were fine everybody else the coach the supporting cast the third star the wings the gm everybody else gets criticism yeah i agree i agree i go i go b minus from bro okay that's fine yeah yeah they get the the the lineups led by him offensively the age really shines there and that's a problem forever you know you you know when he shine the most and you you called it out game game two
Starting point is 00:38:35 Lucas is doing his thing He's trying to embarrass Rudy Gaubert Oh my God, bro And LeBron's like, all right I get to embarrass Rudy too And he can't blow by him But he can't do it And I think it would result in a couple
Starting point is 00:38:49 Like step back contested two-pointers I don't know if you can blow by Jeterrett a few days The days of one-on-one mismatch hunting Against Biggs for LeBron Those days are done you got to let that go Yeah and so off offensively Especially as we go into what What's going to be year 23
Starting point is 00:39:05 year 22 whatever it is it's just gonna it's gonna be a whole other year of like how can you ask this 41 year old man to do all of this and it's gonna get it's gonna get worse than this
Starting point is 00:39:17 you're gonna see a lot more inconsistencies than what you're seeing right now all I know is I was I was berated for saying he's not a top 10 player anymore he still was he played like a top 10 player all right
Starting point is 00:39:25 in the playoffs all right he could be a top of two player it's okay um maybe it's debate I don't too much it's a debate
Starting point is 00:39:34 it is but relax we don't got to point it out we can temperate a little bit you brought it up i'm just agreeing what's the next series you want to grade let's move over to another series that recently ended top 20 oh my god calves versus indiana pacer's can we grab can you grade people on indiana first yes tyrese halliburton's fucking spoiler a plus if we could give higher than a plus tyre's halliburne has to be currently the highest graded star in these playoffs i think easily that's the same's been the best but we're grading you know what they bring to their team how they performed expectations to outcome. Tyrese easily
Starting point is 00:40:08 heavy on expectations. Of course, like we all knew Tyreys Hallibor and started off the year super slow. That progressed into him doing what he did, which was able to, he was able to stabilize the season. And now to the point to where he's
Starting point is 00:40:24 looking like a top, I don't know, three, four point guard that the association has to offer and seeing how he doesn't have to get off like 30 points or 25 points. You could average a cool eight, but he's still impacting the game just as much. He's an astounding A plus.
Starting point is 00:40:42 Some hotel beds, they're not hurting his back anymore. He figured it out. He adapted. So he, obviously, the playmaking has been outrageous. Everything that makes the pastry is good has been excellent. The entire approach of his playmaking style to make fast decisions, put his team and all the players around him in a position succeed to attack with advantages to say, I don't got to run a pick and roll every time and create you an open shot.
Starting point is 00:41:04 I'm going to draw help, hit it to you so you can attack from a point of advantage and you create your open shot. That whole ethos of what makes the patient's offense run. Everybody touches the ball, but Tyrese makes it so you touch the ball a lot easier than you would if you were creating off your own approach worked excellently. They've been blowing teams out the door with that approach. So we know the playmaking has held up. This man shot 60% from two in both series, the first round and against the Cavs, and 45% from
Starting point is 00:41:29 three against the Cavs. Obviously, that also came with the game winner. He's just been dicing everybody up. been amazing. They might make the finals. And who would have expected the Pacers to make the finals? We'll talk about the Cavs situation.
Starting point is 00:41:41 They blitz the Cavaliers. Obviously, there's a lot of caveats there with the health and everything. But before the series, we said the Pacers have a chance that the Cavs have to be serious. You can't fuck around with the Pacers. You've got to play your A game.
Starting point is 00:41:51 That the patients will be in it and you have to really perform no choking otherwise they're going to punch you in the mouth. It was even further than that. The patients punched them in the mouth. It was the other way around. I told you. It was crazy.
Starting point is 00:42:03 I've told you. Yeah, I was on that wave And I am taking that, I'm taking that dove. I don't remember you saying that. But okay, I believe me. Everything that you just said, I was the one who was saying it. And y'all were like, oh, no, Cleveland's going to come in. Yeah, I did say there.
Starting point is 00:42:15 I did say, I remember vividly that the Cleveland Cavaliers or the Indiana Paces weren't going to win this series unless Donovan Mitchell's leg fell off. And everyone was the players did. And his leg eventually fell off. I don't think I said that I'm picking the calves for sure. Like, they're the fucking calves. I'm definitely picking the calves. But I said you have to perform because the Pacers are.
Starting point is 00:42:34 team that if you don't perform at your A level, they can upset you. They're going to make every game difficult. And, you know, again, I pick the calves, but that was under the impression that they were healthy. And again, full respect to the Pacers, didn't expect them to win, but we knew you had to be 100% to beat them. The Cavs were not 100%. They did still pose, like, major issues, like one-on-one match-up-wise to plenty of guys
Starting point is 00:42:57 on the Cavs roster specifically. Like, we've seen Ty Jerome. He was on the up and up over the course of the year. He was going to get paid a bag over. the course of the year. He had a famous moment earlier in the season. I think he was talking trash to Powell and Kerr and he was like, yeah, bro, I'll start on your team.
Starting point is 00:43:12 He might still do that. But in regards to the fact, like, sold off a little bit. Miles Turner gave Jared Allen the work. That's the biggest one that I wanted to talk about too, bro. He was embarrassed by Miles Turner. Once again, where the lights too bright.
Starting point is 00:43:28 Oh, he, I mean, let's talk about the cast. So Jared Allen didn't play well. And so the other stars, Donovan Mitchell, we'll grade him first that's easy a plus we'll give him an a plus he obviously got hurt as well but before he got hurt he was putting a valiant scoring efforts keeping them in the series in the first round and began the second round before everyone got hurt he was looking so spry the idea of giving him lower minutes throughout the regular season to kind of save him for the playoffs worked amazingly he looked like the fastest guy out of the court every play he was generating rim
Starting point is 00:43:54 pressure over and over something he didn't do in the regular season we were kind of concerned he answered that because his legs were fresh looked amazing then he gets hurt hobbles through the last two games, obviously, scores a lot worse when he's playing through injury. Darius Garland, once again, played bad because he is playing through injury and trying to gut it out and be brave, but he is clearly not 100%. It, bro, the last game, he was hobbling. He was physically walking around limping and trying to play through it. It was crazy.
Starting point is 00:44:21 Yeah, there was plenty of times, but you're like, they would be better off with him not on the floor right now. Yeah, like, salute you trying to tough it out two years in a row. That has to be, that has to be draining to have to deal with two years in a row. your team is amazing and your body just gives up on you so I don't even know how to grade that like it's like DMP
Starting point is 00:44:37 like you don't even get a grade because you literally he doesn't he missed he missed several he missed he missed game one and game two yeah in this series
Starting point is 00:44:46 he missed games in the Miami series as well so it's like you played half the time I'm not I'm not I'm not if it was regular season he wouldn't have played at all like they would have held them out he came back to try to fight through it
Starting point is 00:44:56 to save the season didn't work you can tell that he would have been out for several weeks if it was a regular season Now, the man who did play was Jared Allen. Is he a star, sweet great Jared Allen? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:45:09 He made it all. I don't know. I'm just saying like out of the cabs are built on four guys. Garland wasn't there. Mowgli missed the game, but he was, you know, there for three of the five, four of the five games, whatever. And then, but Allen was there consistently. So I'm just saying like in their core, I guess he's a star.
Starting point is 00:45:25 I don't know if you guys want to grade him or not. But you're right. He got dominated. And it was just not a pretty sight. And so now you're looking at the Cavs team again going into the offseason saying, is it viable to have both of these guys on the roster? And is there like if you're going to make a tweak, it's very clear. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Starting point is 00:45:46 It's very clear what the tweak is at this point. I mean, you say that. Again, Jared Allen didn't have his point guard and his shooting guard got hobbled towards the end. So he didn't play well. That's probably part of it offensively. but he got diced up defensively on Miles Turner he was kicking his ass
Starting point is 00:46:00 so there's that if I'm going to decide to make a shakeup I agree it's that most because I want to put Evan Mobley in the best position to succeed as a score bro he didn't take more
Starting point is 00:46:10 than 13 focal attempts in a single game in the series that's insane he was not a focal point as a score in this series now part of that is definitely the Pacers guard him they made that difficult
Starting point is 00:46:18 they didn't want him to attack part of it's probably him in passivity not looking to score part of it is the guards kind of getting into they were taking what the pictures were given them they wanted these hobble
Starting point is 00:46:27 guards to attack us and beat us one-on-one, not let you get in rotation. Top-down, the effort needed to establish Mobley as a score wasn't there. That was one of the biggest drop-offs from regular season of playoffs. I want to see Moble to be a center because it's a lot harder to neutralize him as a score when he's attacking fives than when he's a four next to another five and the spacing isn't great. I think you have to go into next year with him as a center. I agree.
Starting point is 00:46:49 I think seeing what Jared Allen showcased this year, a lot of people would see the Cuban Cavalier's failure. And for a good reason, we just want to win it back with that. the same roster, but me personally, I'm 100% on your side. I think it's time to move on for something like Jared Allen. It used his value and use that juice, boost it up elsewhere on your roster to fully unlock Evan Moby. I think this will take this team to a different level.
Starting point is 00:47:12 Of course, we all knew throughout the regular season, like, yeah, this is one of the teams to beat. They're fully in the Boston Celtics, OKC, and whoever else I want to throw in those conversations, but we all know that they were like not on the Celtics level necessarily or O'KCs. They're very much like the third team. don't know about that. I think at their peak they were on that level, but we had reservations because of Celtics are reigning champs. But I think I wouldn't revise it that much. They were
Starting point is 00:47:36 like, they deserve to be in that top three. We referred to it as there's three contenders in the league. They were, they were firmly. You could, you know, you can quibble, you can say they're third. Yeah. But they were in that tier. They were, they have expectations of being that tier. That's why I say that. And I wish, I just really wish, you know, everyone's called them frauds now saying they were regular season demons, 2015 Hawks, etc. I get it. Get your jokes off it comes to territory like I said I just really wish we could have seen them actually go outside full health so we could actually have that ammo because
Starting point is 00:48:01 now I'm like maybe they are you know there's some things that weren't health related they played poorly. Is blowing a 19 point lead at home not enough for going outside? Again we talked about this in the stream yes they didn't perform well they they lost in the second round you can't lose the second round when you're a 64 winning team I'm not even talking about
Starting point is 00:48:18 the series you're missing two and I'm talking about game five specific I don't care you keep how long on that I don't care they have three injured all stars dude it's like How do you gauge anybody when they have three All-Star level players injured, one of which is completely useless. Other one misses games, but he comes back. I think we can say Mowley's probably healthy, I guess.
Starting point is 00:48:35 I don't know. And then Dematch obviously hobbles to the end. Even if you just miss one in Garland, who was completely useless, that completely transforms your team. He's hugely important for them. Two other All-Sars are not fully healthy? Can you imagine what OKC would look like without Chet, J-Dub, and I don't know, maybe.
Starting point is 00:48:49 I mean, they've done in certain parts throughout the season. All of those guys, though, three of those guys at the same time? They wouldn't have won their series if they were dealing with that right now. It's over. It's clipped for anything. And the Pacers are playing at a crazy level. Like I said, you cannot mess around with them. You have to be 100%.
Starting point is 00:49:03 Like, yes, they, sure, they didn't perform. You give them criticism. I just wish we saw them underperform while they were a whole so we can have definitive takeaways because now, even if someone like us wants to be like, trade your old and yada, we can still say we didn't see them 100%. So maybe it's worthwhile to try it again because they weren't just slightly hobbled. They were a completely different team missing a substantial amount of our power. It's like you can't just ignore that and say results with the results. Like the
Starting point is 00:49:30 context is damn, they had very little chance. Results matter a little bit to me though. They do. They're not irrelevant. They do matter to me. And I do think that like seeing the seeing the way that people go out is very, very important. And like de Mitch, no doubt in my mind. that's a dog right there right that that is a dog everybody else on on that team we're going to have to do some soul search i'm going to have to do some some reevaluating and so if you get moved preemptively he said i don't know boot camps maybe i don't i don't mean to say like absolve them of everything i'm not saying that i'm just saying there's so much context in this now that the takeaways are muddied because of this that like do you like if garland had played a full series and stunk it up you could
Starting point is 00:50:21 be like okay you don't fit but his back doesn't work he's walking around hobbled Mowgli, is your aggression part of it not being so high because you're injured? I don't know. Like, there's just so much question marks that I don't feel comfortable making like super strong takeaways. Other than on Jared Allen. You can make a strong takeaway from him. Even then, so you can make some of a takeaway.
Starting point is 00:50:39 I'm not going to act like losing your point guard doesn't matter for a center. Like, you know, he didn't defend well, but the fit overall is really contingent on the movie everything right for Jared Allen. Like, you obviously, you would love if you can get some points out of Jared Allen. You've seen his offensive game grow. If Jared Allen scored zero points and just defend it well, you'd be like, hey, good game. Sure, sure. Like that's what, that's what he's there to do.
Starting point is 00:51:01 And so if you're not doing that, yes, we're going to have to have some combos. That's fair. I'm just saying, there's cascading effects from the top down when you missed that much of your team that it affects everybody. So you can't look at anything just a result that, again, maybe the answer is you got to blow some shit up that you still lost. But it's a little more complicated. And I'm just annoyed that it's as complicated. Yeah, I agree. No, they weren't outside.
Starting point is 00:51:23 That was, that was, that was the fucking. all that. No, it was just pathetic. Everything was sad, man. No, that's a lot of game. They lost by so many points. So I get it. I'm not here to say it was nothing.
Starting point is 00:51:32 They were up 19. We went to go get dinner, got a couple of slices, came back, and the game was tied. And we're like, yo, what just happened? No, I get it. I get it. Yeah. All right, let's talk about what teams they eliminate in the first rounds. So we've seen a couple of heat fans in our comments.
Starting point is 00:51:50 Oh, my God. Keep laughing. Or not laughing. They keep getting mad because we don't talk about the heat because we've had a couple playoff-centered episodes. Dog, y'all suck. Brother, Bam out of bio, took five threes a game in the postseason against the Cleveland Cavaliers.
Starting point is 00:52:05 Why is Bam taking five threes a game? Despite you guys, I'm going to not talk about the heat again. Mo, ISO. Grade Bam, grade Bam, great Tyler Hero. Resounding F, five three is a game, 43% from the field. You are a big man. You are a center. I don't know what's going on.
Starting point is 00:52:21 I understand. He's trying to expand in his game. And, hey, it's a modern NBA. That's just how things are going to. going but five three's a game. F. I'm not talking about them. They suck.
Starting point is 00:52:31 I'm doing that a spite now because you guys don't find understandable that I don't want to talk about the people. Well, I'll say, you do have to understand why we don't talk about you guys. Like, I understand you're a fan and you care a lot, but have some common sense because your team traded away,
Starting point is 00:52:47 your start player midway, you guys limped into the 10 seed and got in because of this bogus playing tournament. you shouldn't even have had the opportunity to get the eight seed and then you got boat raced for a week and a half everybody the the heat cavs series was nap time for everybody to prepare for the second and third game of the night it's the biggest point differential in the playoff series ever
Starting point is 00:53:08 so like it's you can't get your ass whoop much more than that than the worst ever they did one two three can't kanko in game three historical levels of assing but uh I mean for this conversation for the grading the stars they don't have any I mean Tyler Hill made an all-star team bam obviously we respect bam neither of which are playing at a star level right now they're a team without stars that found a way to get in like you said without jimmy but these guys are just playing like outside of the roles they should be they both can slot down and it's nobody's in a position for them that makes sense to judge them exactly they play they play like they're missing
Starting point is 00:53:41 a star player two on their roster row and it feels like they were just over assing over that we've said too much i should have shut up like two minutes ago yeah yeah fuck out of the bucks so obviously we just do yonis because dame rip leg blew up immediately yonis deserves no lower than a yeah a it's it's a plus yeah and everybody's made it because again we talked about in the beginning of the show that a big theme here we'll get to some of these stars later is um how much everybody's efficiency is dropping because the increased physicality everyone's like not not not the greek guy it doesn't matter for him he is a demon he still got the 61% affected philgal percentage still got his game off exactly the same is he best in the world now people are trying
Starting point is 00:54:20 give him best the world after losing the first round and i understand it he's resilient the playoff levels are still there i will say the pacers have nobody for him physically and they said we're going to let you score and not help off much and we're going to make sure everybody else gets clamped so you know what shout out to you because some people are given that opportunity and can't capitalize on yeah and yannis said you know what he said you one-on-one thank you yeah i'm just gonna go ahead and do and do what i do and it's not my fault that everybody else is playing the worst basketball of career so well it's kpj it's kuzma it's typical basketball at their career i'd say you played two their standards that's outrageous slander that is i have no problem
Starting point is 00:54:59 outrageous slander and kevin porter junior you're being real to me i said you that's like that's i've literally i was going no i was going to rockets games when kpg was on there that was some of the worst basketball okay okay there's a lot of people there's a lot of humans in the nbail i'll He embraced too. Kevin Porter's not wonderful. Seeing his rocket tenure in person with some of the wildest stuff I've ever seen, it was disgusting. He believed that was the rocket score at one point in time. They had him in SGA debates. It was him and Jalen Green together.
Starting point is 00:55:30 Ooh, man. With Stephen Silas coming? So shout out Yonis, you know, the game plan was to let him score to some degree. Not let him score. But, you know, they didn't throw the exotic cover just at him that like the thunder are throwing at Yokic or that the nuggets are throwing at Shay. So Yonis did what he's supposed to do. He played to his MVP level. Shout out him.
Starting point is 00:55:47 Exactly. A plus. A plus. He did all he can. He had absolutely no help. It was egregious. He played to his standard and didn't dip it all. Yes, I agree. 100%.
Starting point is 00:55:56 This series, I think he put up like, he shot like 20. I think he scored like 20 or 22 points in the paint, which is absolutely ridiculous. And that's something that he does in the regular season. But seeing the uptick like that is just insane. Okay. Celtics versus Knicks. Donovan. What are you grading Jalen Brunson?
Starting point is 00:56:14 We'll start with the Knicks. I mean, he's been he's been a plus like i see now not a plus a minus because there's been there's been some games that haven't been amazing but the entire run the yeah the entire run this the nix entire game plan has basically come down to let's just keep it close until the last you know five to three minutes and brunson is going to carry us and he's he's done that every every time he's had the opportunity and if the game's on t-and-t i promise you reggie miller is going to let you know that he won clutch player of the year.
Starting point is 00:56:47 And so he's going, like, he's dominated in those moments. And in a series and a team where cat's offense is inconsistent, you don't know what you're going to get on, especially in the Boston series from O.J. and Nobie. McKell Bridges, some nights, he's amazing. Some nights he's just, you know, around. Their one constant has been Jalen Brunson and his scoring and his shot making. And he's had, like, game four of the, of this, uh, Nick's. Celtic series, one of the best games Jalen Brunson has ever played. The shot making was insane.
Starting point is 00:57:21 You talk about a game in Detroit. He goes out in the fourth quarter or in the late third. They, you know, try to break his leg, try to break his ankle. He comes back, score 16 in the fourth. They end of winning that game. He always rises to the occasion and rarely has a bad game. I'm giving him an A minus. Yeah. I mean, I agree. I personally give him like an A plus because his job is ridiculously hard. You're asking them. a six foot people say six one six two he feels like he's six foot guy to come out he might be five a 11th and exactly and put up like everyone makes him sort of every every week I mean shit people are just realizing you see that picture can he's always tweeting whenever they were together exactly
Starting point is 00:58:01 he's not that much taller than Kenny and Kenny's five seven yeah it's it's ridiculous so to see him when we win the title I'll meet him in person I'll let you guys know he's gonna get one of those right there yeah doubt no no doubt it not not one of those this one You look at that one? This specific one. I doubt it. Bunch has been doing generational stuff in terms of this tough shot making at that size specifically. I'm giving an A plus consistently.
Starting point is 00:58:24 Yeah, it's one of the hardest roles, like you said, and he's lived up to the expectation that we kind of like put upon him after last year when he had, he averaged 35 for a playoff series last year. It was insane. And we all said, all right, so he's clearly a top 10 player in the world. He's clearly surpassed everything we ever could hope. And they try to take it away from him. Who's they? You know who they are.
Starting point is 00:58:41 I don't know. Who slanderer in Jaylon and Brunson? Them. People in the first round of that series. Fucking them. Unbelievable. But yeah, so he's continued
Starting point is 00:58:48 to do Jalen and Bruns and things. All of them. They were all trying to say. Can you repeat that? No. I don't even know what he's talking about. But yeah, Jayne and Brunton has completely played
Starting point is 00:58:57 Jan and Brunson basketball. I have little criticism of him to say, like I don't even really see it outside. He's doing exactly what he needs to do. Okay, if you don't have criticism for him, do you have any static or criticism towards Carthie Towns?
Starting point is 00:59:09 He's been cat. You know, he's had the, the reason they're probably going to beat the Celtics is because the rise of the two big lineup and how much Mitchell Robinson has really given the Celtics problems
Starting point is 00:59:18 I think Kat has had moments where he's held his own defensively they've asked him to switch out and say you've got to figure that shit out despite your physical limitations whatever may be defend he's done a solid job he's had his offensive splashes
Starting point is 00:59:30 he's been 20 point per game up and down defensively but doing enough to give you the looks play off with Jalen Brunson give you the secondary shot making get hot at the right times solid B plus he's done his job he's hit tough shots
Starting point is 00:59:43 well those those fadeaways I keep me to every game. It's a crazy one. His fadeaways have been crazy. And then he has games or moments like he did in game five. Well, he's just fouling people. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:56 We shot game five. He can't keep his hands to himself. And it's, and it's game five was, it was, I should have known that it was going to be like that. Oh, you definitely should have known that the Celtics would fight for their lives and get one at home. However, I didn't know it was going to be Luke Cornett legacy game. And he was going to almost get a triple double with blocks. But the cat found trouble, it has piqued its head a couple times. It's never gotten to a point where it's seriously like hurt, hurt the team.
Starting point is 01:00:28 They've always been able to kind of bounce back and ride whatever way. But I think in this series, defensively, he's played as well as you can ask for. Offensively, there's moments in the Detroit series and in this series where yo the guy guarding you was six four yeah just seven feet tall I'm gonna need you to be big go to the basket play out play out of of the post overpower some people and it just hasn't been there as consistent as you would like yeah that's thing that's I think I've talked about this before I think that's a common misconception in his game that he's like a go-to post score or like or even like that he's
Starting point is 01:01:06 like great no but he's fine his whole game that makes him good is his stretch big qualities and how we can attack closeouts and be fast than centers and bigger than wings that are closing out on him. He's really at his best there. And I don't know why. They don't love to do pick and pop with him. They are picking and roll. They don't have a big two-man game with Jailen Brunson.
Starting point is 01:01:23 And that feels like it's built into the plan to not to lean away from that for that. And I do know why. It's because defenses put wings on him and say, if you do that, we're going to switch it. And we're just going to put our best wing on Jalen Brunson. So they say, okay, we're going to attack other defenders, cat, space the floor. So I do know why it happens. The Tom Thibod isn't like the most brilliant offensive mind in the world to find work works around that so I think the deficiencies of cat are kind of built in to his playstyle
Starting point is 01:01:48 the the frustrating part is whenever you do see him go to the post he goes to the post on out horford and it's like okay if you're going to do it fine but I'd rather you do it against the guy who's 6 4 and not the guy who's 610 who just out horford is amazing and just lots of every single that that you can ask him to do that's what he is on that's what I'm saying so picking his spots that is the more frustrating part it's not necessarily like you're not good in the post if you're gonna do it
Starting point is 01:02:18 just do it when it's actually smart to yeah but yeah all the deficiencies I think are just like I said you gotta grade everybody on your expectations for them this is all stuff we could have seen coming in you know this is this is cat the pros and the cons so
Starting point is 01:02:30 I give him a B yeah it's fine he's been fine he's been fine I don't expect anything else or less from what he's on right now yeah yeah for somebody you know I'm not the highest on him I'm also on the lowest
Starting point is 01:02:40 he's been completely fine Yeah Now let's talk about You know Get to these teams That have been eliminated Oh actually you forgot Celtics
Starting point is 01:02:45 What do we regret Jason Tatum Obviously before the injury He got an A I don't know If you can give him an A Because that Orlando series was rough He was hurt
Starting point is 01:02:55 In that series too I think he missed game too But overall His shooting was Really rough You gotta be nice Tim now that he's hurt You don't got to be that nice though
Starting point is 01:03:02 Yeah You don't got to do that many brownie points You don't go You don't got to give him an A He did have He did start this The series off With some goddamn stinkers
Starting point is 01:03:08 Obviously he got better At the game He got hurt he was having one of the best games with his fucking career but the stinkers were there Orlando series I don't fault him too much that team is so good defensively and they said we're gonna make this a goddamn rock fight
Starting point is 01:03:20 you're gonna have to beat us out the mud it's not gonna be efficient I think you play fine there all things considered with the injury beginning of this Nick series he was tragic it was some of the worst basketball he's played in years and in the second half he got better before he got hurt feels like a beat of me I'm over here on my notes
Starting point is 01:03:36 I put up I think I gave him a C plus Yeah, C plus. Okay, why are you harsher on him than I am? Are you holding the Magic Series a little harsher than I am? The Magic series, a little bit, but more so the beginning of this Boston Celtics. Okay, because Magic used 31, 11, and 5 on 52% affected focal percentage, which isn't good deficiency, but it's not horrendous for playoffs. He's doing what he's supposed to do against a team like that who's going to make him get every single thing out of this.
Starting point is 01:04:00 It's one of the toughest, maybe one of the two, three toughest defense teams that the NBA has to offer. So that's expected. but what's not expected is to see constant like late see them fall and blow multiple like 20 point leads in the playoffs that's like literally generational stuff and that blood is on his hands you know seeing how he towards the end of that game the last 20 point lead that he blown towards the end of that game how he decided to he lost his hand a little bit I think I think he drove to the left side of the baseline and he got like trying to pass it out got blocked we got stopped by macao bridges and also was deterred by Ogin and O B as well. Seeing just the process of that happening, I can't give him more than the way, bro. I wish you was speedy recovery. I'm so disheartened.
Starting point is 01:04:48 I hate seeing such a tragic and dreary to one of the least brightest, youngest, most reliable stars. With that being said, those first two games, you went down 2-0. The series was done at that point. It's hard to come back from 2-0 when you lose both games at home. It was never done. It would, I mean, not done.
Starting point is 01:05:01 But like, you know, that's a very big hole to climb out of. and your lack of performance is a big part of that C plus was fine to me. Yeah. He did good when the hole was already dug but, you know, the digging the hole was the stars of the Celtics fault.
Starting point is 01:05:17 And, bro, I will never ever be able to get those images of the graphs that you put up on TD3 live stream Tuesday, 6 p.m. Eastern Time tap in that you put up on the stream. That graph was ridiculous and that was a spear
Starting point is 01:05:31 like Jason Tatum, Drew Holiday, whatever, issue as well. Well, everybody was missing shots, too. It was cold shooting. It wasn't just, I'm joking, it wasn't just Tatum. He played a part of it. You had to be able to be the star that can find ways to make the offense work, even when everybody else is missing their shots.
Starting point is 01:05:46 But everybody was missing their shots, so it's not just him. But yeah, he didn't help. And they went down 2-0, and that really was not a nail in the coffin that, like, or no, it is a nail in the coffin. It wasn't fully hammered in. But it was in there a little bit. It was in there a little bit. It's pretty hard to come back from 2-0.
Starting point is 01:05:59 Yeah, but just because I gave him, like, a C minor or C-plus, or it don't mean I think he stinks. It's like we saw what he was doing right before he got hurt. Games three and four are the ones that are still very, very fresh in my mind because he was going ballistic. Those were A games. Yeah. The first two are F games. B plus for the first series.
Starting point is 01:06:15 Yeah, that feels like C plus B minus in the aggregate. All right. And obviously then he gets hurt. Couldn't see the vision through. Maybe he would have had a miraculous comeback and they would came back and beat the Knicks. I think that was varying the cards. Tough. It is what it is.
Starting point is 01:06:28 It wasn't in the cards. Who's next? Let's go to one of the teams we just mentioned. The Orlando Magic, what are we going to grade Palo Bancaro? You know, you know what it is. I actually don't know what it is because he shot 71% at the rim, got there 5% less than he did the playoffs. But when he got there, he did the bully ball stuff.
Starting point is 01:06:45 He got to the free throw line. That's one of the big things we wanted to see from him all year, right? Be the physical down low score. He had potentially the worst mid-range scoring performance I've ever seen from a go-to star. It was the highest mid-range shot volume in the NBA, 32% there. 46% effective focal percentage overall. Keep going. Pretty goddamn bad.
Starting point is 01:07:04 So the rib scoring was great. That's what we wanted. The mid-range scoring, which is the bread and butter, was horrible. So we saw signs that he'd be really good next year. He's addressing the issues that we've all had with him in his process, but his bread and butter didn't go well. Can I ask you a question? Go for it.
Starting point is 01:07:22 When we were talking earlier about Anthony Edwards, what was one of the things that you said about him and why he gets the end? The well-rounded game and he found ways to be effective when his shot wasn't falling. When we talk about Palo, the main thing, especially in last year's playoffs, what were you saying about why he was a playoff demon last year? Oh, he shot 54% from mid-range, which is unsustainably hot. And now that this year, it was not good, the fact that he still had three games where he was scoring 30 on a team where outside of Cory Joseph, anybody who played outside of
Starting point is 01:07:57 insane, outside of Cory Joseph, anybody who played meaningful minutes on that team did not shoot over 30% from three gross insane and he's still able to be the constant the score do everything that they ask that they asked him to do in leading that team I'm giving Paolo an A plus
Starting point is 01:08:14 I'm giving him an A plus again we've talked about a lot the shooting is outrageously disgusting like obviously this is similar to a similar to Sangoon where it's all about what we see from you process wise and the process was good he was aggressive for the most part so that's good we can't expect
Starting point is 01:08:31 him to win the series or win games when the supporting cast was so dog shit that being said the mid-range scoring of palo ban caro and the reliance on that and how much that he wants that to be his bread and butter bread and butter over the rim scoring if that was going he would average 40 it wasn't going and it doesn't go a lot that's that's the problem with palibank caro is finding that balance and well i'm glad he shot so well at the rim we want to see that the mid-range element was on full display they were goading him to taking them and he was taking them left and right not shooting well that part of his process still has to improve and again the space is a big part of this. We know that. So I'm not giving him a terrible grade or anything. He still
Starting point is 01:09:04 he addressed the bad habits or not, he addressed the weaknesses that I want to see continue to get better, mainly being rim scoring and passing. I was encouraged by that. So it's not a bad grade, but it wasn't like hyper-effective or anything. I think B's fine. No, but I think you're, I think you're a little harsh on, on the process in, in this case, especially when there were positive results. What positive results? What does that mean? I guess. Like, like to average,
Starting point is 01:09:34 okay. You know, this is how you get me to be a hater because you love point three bounds assist. The buckets are there, but like not at a good rate, not that weight that leads good offense.
Starting point is 01:09:44 They are, we've talked all year about how this offense sucks. Yeah. And how, and how, and then for them to go up against the, the Boston Celtics who have Tatum and Brown and, and Alhorven,
Starting point is 01:09:56 they have, they have good defenders everywhere that, that you turn it and you look. And so I'm saying, for him to have the main thing that he likes to do not be working and still find a way to be fairly effective to where they won a game and had a couple other games where they were in it for a decent stretch that's a lot of that is because of palo scoring and his impact and so for that reason that's what i'm saying it's an a and so yes can he shoot can he shoot better
Starting point is 01:10:23 are the other things that he needs to work on yeah going into next year and going into this next off season. If he changes that and if he like dials it back either either taking less mid-ranges or just gets hyper-efficient at that, that's what we're seeing, you know, top five, top six, whatever that level of palo. But even what he gave us this year, that's still another sign of you were playing one way in the regular season kind of ramping up. We get to the playoffs. And once again, you are the lone scorer on your team doing all the scoring that your team needs. I'm giving you an A-plus for that. I don't know about an A-plus. It feels really unfair to give you.
Starting point is 01:10:59 some like polo a plus and then give to prince alfred singu and i think he gave him a c or something like that completely unfair and again i don't even feels like i thought i was coming optimistic i'm not even trying to hate like i think a b is a good grade for someone who that's all that's all that's all that's all that's all that's that's all that's that's all that's that's that's all that's that's that's all that's that's that's not it's not it's not i'm i'm gonna stretch my game out to the three i'm starting knocking these things down and pallid issue well from three overall yeah he saw like 44%
Starting point is 01:11:23 yeah he shot me off from three it's just the two point scoring was terrible 43% like that's where you're you're saying it like he got his game off and they just lost the games. Like, to get an A plus, I feel like you have to perform great. He performed fine. Obviously, we know that the situation is a part of that. You like to pretend that he's no part of that. Like, he doesn't have habits of himself.
Starting point is 01:11:43 No, that's not what I'm saying. Both are true. And I think a B is fine. We saw the upside and we see that you're real close. You get better at these things. The team gets better. It helps you get better at those things. You're going to be amazing.
Starting point is 01:11:53 I think A plus only deserves to be players like Tyree's Calibur, who just completely like, oh my God, he, he's actually at that level. Paulo didn't do anything on the court to just make me to like mind blow me or mind bend me whatsoever. It's like very much expected, like, yeah, you're going to go ahead and get shut off. You're going to bully in the paint, which is super good. We've seen him do it in the post and the regular season a little bit more, which is great. But he didn't do anything that put him in extra and other worldly conversation.
Starting point is 01:12:24 He didn't change the way. He didn't change the way you view him in this. Like, yeah. We, if we, we all feel like we see the vision. He just needs time to get there and that once he addresses these things gets better in these other ways and develops, he'll be great. I love the series, still feeling good about that. I didn't feel like he's great now.
Starting point is 01:12:39 I didn't feel like this is like great process that leads to good offense now. Like, you know, both are true. Y'all, for the last seven months, y'all have, you all have talked about Palo and said, like, oh, listen, he wants, he wants to be a mid, a mid-range shooter. let's see what happens when the mid ranges aren't falling bro your your 610 get get to the line use your physicality and you were able to see that you were able to see that in this series and you were able to see hey when the mid range isn't isn't falling i still have other ways to problem solve i'm still i'm still able to he shot 43% from two he got to the rim he shot there 5% less in the regular season
Starting point is 01:13:17 26% of his shots everybody's efficiency that's because we're playing football oh now it's everybody we're playing football what he's talking about the fish he was flying at the rim he got there less because they cut him off and they wanted him to take the mid-range shots and he said fine he didn't get there a lot he didn't do the volume of it he shot well there because he exerted himself he the main point is volume making that be your main go-toe 26% of his shots were at the rim that is tiny for a big man score like that i get i can't even not trying to hate on him but you're acting like it was some like brilliant shot making at the rim that like changes your perception of him not really my perception is never changed him i said that's a baller i know that's a
Starting point is 01:13:54 That's how I've seen it. You look at this team and you look how desolate their offense is. And to see the bright star, to see the North Star that they have, it's just like, I have to give you credit. I have to do it. I agree. I just felt like B was credit. I feel like A plus is like you blew my mind and I wouldn't say that. Yeah, I think, like think about the players who we gave A plus to.
Starting point is 01:14:17 Okay, Janus, one of the best players in the world. Hallibur. He's proven that he's one of the best players at his position. And he's to let him a spot. a brunson brunson bro a plus again like or like Randall who changed our perception of him exactly like these conversations actually
Starting point is 01:14:31 move fair enough okay if you want to say a minus whatever go ahead go ahead I'll say a he doesn't get the a plus but he gets the a just let it be know and I'm not hating on Palo Ben Carroll I think he had a encouraging sign it just obviously does not deserve an A yet to me you once again don't believe in him
Starting point is 01:14:47 it's okay the idea of him is starting slowly starting to form for sure yeah It's already year. If this is it here, oh, we're fucked. If this is here, it's cooked. We're celebrating for 46% effect of the total percentage. Don't the fucking parade.
Starting point is 01:15:06 No, but that's not true, though. He's nowhere near his ceiling. The ceiling is high. I actually feel like next year is going to be the year for sure that he makes the real leap to being the top 12, 15 player. When he comes out again, scores 50 points in the first week, right? Does not tear his right oblique and actually gets to carry that momentum into the rest of the season. No one's doubting that.
Starting point is 01:15:23 No one's doubting. You're all see. For what? You're all see. Oh, we'll all see. I thought you said you're allcy. Like, that's a word. But no, I agree.
Starting point is 01:15:32 If he comes back and develops over the summer, has a healthy year, I fully expect him to be the superstar next year. You know who needs to develop? His partner in Cry and Frye and Frives. Oh, I wasn't even going to grade him. He saw like 17% from three. I'm so dejected. I'm so dejected right now.
Starting point is 01:15:44 Like, he just can't shoot. He can't shoot at all, and nothing else matters. Just a wet leg. It's all. Nothing else matters. And it's so. hard because like you don't want to do your typical media thing like they can't play together
Starting point is 01:15:56 they better come out with a dynamic point guard next year you can shoot and a stretch five you better show me a chance to see these two wings with a stretch five and with a really really good shooter as well from the backcourt positions if that doesn't work then if they can't coexist they can't coexist like yeah
Starting point is 01:16:12 but stretch five is necessary they clearly need a stretch five window card does nothing to elevate them I agree it's hard to grade them it's hard to grade them but follow a cigarette them you deserve a D yes And like he did other stuff well But the shooting is so such a debilitating thing For their offense that
Starting point is 01:16:27 We can't give any great of merit I agree I agree You know it's another losing team That I kind of want to talk about Clippers Sure, let's fall into it James Harden
Starting point is 01:16:40 James Harden Pretty good six games He had a Dominant game one Dominant game six Seven points in another game seven meltdown Yikes Let's talk a little bit Vintage James Hardin showed his face in many ways,
Starting point is 01:16:56 including the seventh game of the series, in which he made two field goals, scored seven points total. You're talking quiet, like that performance wasn't insanely loud. Like, he didn't have the loudest seven points of all time. Once again, once again, and I am absolutely disgusting. Because I actually, for weeks, I was coming up here and I was saying, You know, I don't trust the Clippers. I think this is going to happen.
Starting point is 01:17:23 I think that's going to happen. And I actually let myself get tricked by y'all. I'm being like, listen, you have to just be able to go off of what they're showing right now. Like, please believe in them. And I was looking at them in some absolute value type stuff. And I was like, you know what? Fine. I believe in the Clippers.
Starting point is 01:17:37 They're going to win this series. And James Harden did the James Hardin stuff. And it's like, it's just, it once again proves to me that once I will never ever. never ever pick a James Hardin a team that has James Hardin in a like viable role you know I'm not picking you to win a series ever see I think and I want you guys to hold that to me the mistake that we made me and Isaac specifically made I'll say is that we understood or at least you especially were screaming out loud to the top of your lungs like this Clippers team is different they're not necessarily 100% reliant on James Hardin going off I actually don't
Starting point is 01:18:13 even like James Hardin anymore like I'm the biggest Tim Hardin fan all I haven't been if you guys haven't been moved on him all year exactly I didn't pick him to be an all-star. I never big them up. I hate his style of play right now. But overall for the Clippers, as a whole, you were talking about how this infrastructure is not built for them to rely on 25, 30-point per game, which is very fucking true. And although he was able to provide that for them, like, here and there, especially, I think that game six, he had a magnificent game.
Starting point is 01:18:35 Yep. At the end of the day, like, you can't rely on the Norman Pals and Nick the Tunes and all that. If James Harden's going to do, like, seven points and take two, make two shots or whatever it was. Yeah, you can't be that bad. You can't be that bad. And also the other guys
Starting point is 01:18:52 also got clamped up in that game. So it was a just meltdown in the game seven for sure. They were vintage clippers, right? That series was one that, uh...
Starting point is 01:19:01 I think before that series started, I was like, this is the one that I don't fucking know. Like, I'll say, I said clippers in seven, but I was like, this is not a confident seven at all. Like, if I'm saying
Starting point is 01:19:09 something's gonna go seven, it can go either way, this is the one that can go the most either way. We'll go to Clippers because they've been so good as of late and the Nuggets fire their coach.
Starting point is 01:19:17 they have six playable players kind of worried on betting on that over a team peaking at the right time it felt like that was going to happen until that game seven came around and they just went out in typical clippers fashion if you are who we once thought you were
Starting point is 01:19:31 how do we grade that F right if you get to a game seven that everyone knew the series was gonna go seven you just got to close it out I've read and other other people have you know especially after game seven
Starting point is 01:19:45 like is James Hardin like the biggest playoff choker and NBA history and all this type of stuff I was reading articles about why people were breaking down why he was so bad specifically in game sevens and and everyone was trying to figure out and it's like yo he's just he's just not in that class and so his game seven performance and his elimination performance once again is the thing that we're going to remember and whether or not It is fair to do that Because we have a sample size of James Hardin in elimination games
Starting point is 01:20:22 That is what we're going to do So his entire playoff run is going to be defined by the fact That they went outside in game seven And it was like the third or fourth quarter And Tyloo's already waving the white flag Yeah, I'm over it There was eight playoff series in the first round I got six out of eight right
Starting point is 01:20:38 The two I got wrong are the ones where I believed In some choking motherfuckers from Los Angeles On both sides of the aisle The Lakers and the Clivers Are the two teams that disappointed me I'm over it man It's tough. Choyleynard, I think, was exactly what you expect in the same way James Hardin was.
Starting point is 01:20:54 There was the game two, the Spike game, when he had 39 points, and everyone was like, ha ha, don't want to see Kawhi Leonard if he was healthy. They got him here. It's going to be another vintage Kauai Leonard performance. Everyone's, I'd rather have Kauai than Shay. I'd rather have Kauai than Taitum. Everyone's on top of the world saying they'd rather have him than star X, Y, Z. And when he has 39 points for the next two days, you've got to be like,
Starting point is 01:21:16 all right well fair enough i guess if this is what he's going to do turns out he did not do that for the whole series he had plenty of low games because this is a quiet leonard as of late he doesn't have the energy and the it doesn't have the lower body consistency to continuously give you that level of dominance there's going to be ups there's going to be downs some games he doesn't have the juice that's pretty much what happened he had two games of 25 points 39 in game two 27 in game six every other game was below 25 points 25 7 and 4 59% effect the focal percentage overall because he's the type that he's going to be efficient because he's not going to try and do too much
Starting point is 01:21:49 because he knows he can't he's not going to try to empty the clip and that's what happens in the game seven when James Hardin shits himself and then Kauai doesn't have the juice either you lose. Sounds like a D to me No, you can't give Kauai a D. Why? 25, 7 and 4 they made it to seven against a good team. He was still efficient
Starting point is 01:22:05 why would I give him a D? He didn't collapse if he scored 39 every game he'd get a goddamn A plus he'd be one the best players in the world. You're overreacting way too much. Yeah, I think he deserves a solid B. yeah b minus c plus he just he's he was good he just can't be amazing anymore b is the stretch no it's not quite quite he played good he just can't be amazing anymore like you can't look at this clippers
Starting point is 01:22:24 collapse and look at pinpointed at him as if he didn't reach up to expectations listen to what we're saying no i'm gonna do that to both of them the no the bad games weren't bad like james hardens were bad they just weren't amazing because he's not that guy anymore i'm not giving him an f you understand like that's why that's crazy too i need you to i need you to understand i believe in the clippers and they made me look huge i I hate them right now.
Starting point is 01:22:45 Fair enough. Fair enough. I hate them right. Fair enough. Okay? Fair enough. I try to give them grace and they backstab me like this. So never again.
Starting point is 01:22:53 Never again. Yeah. And again, I mean, they lost a tough seven game series to a team that has insane lock-in. We're going to talk about the nuggets. After the break, obviously talk about them.
Starting point is 01:23:02 I have so much good things to say about the state of the current different nuggets and how much they prove this wrong in the coaching regard, on the locking regard, the defense regard. We'll see how game six goes. We're going to, like I said, react to that after. We have a last name, really. Cade, 25, 8, and 8, shot 17% from 3 for the series, 5.3 turnovers per game, ha, 49% on twos, only 54% at the rim.
Starting point is 01:23:25 Ha, goddamn. To me, it was a typical welcome to the playoffs game. We know Cade is not the most efficient guy in the world and doesn't have the most help in the world. So you get to a playoff environment. It was kind of expected. All those things would really be made to be a lot of pressure under those things. The heat would be turned up. You'd have to see him really, really, really,
Starting point is 01:23:44 turn up to the level to make up for that. And, you know, spoiler, before the series started, I said Nixon 5 because I was like, that's not going to happen. You're going to see a welcome to the NBA playoffs more for Kate Cunningham. It's kind of what this was. I think it's just a slightly worse version of who he was in the playoffs. And that's going to happen when you place an elite, elite defense is a lot to learn. No surprises here for me.
Starting point is 01:24:03 What's your overall read on him? I would say B plus just because. Ooh, that's high. The numbers weren't great. He had a lot of impact on all of those games. I think he played, I do think he played better than what the numbers suggest. And that's his whole thing. He has good control over the game, his playmaking.
Starting point is 01:24:20 He's never going to be efficient. So he's always going to be better to the eye test than he has to the numbers. And that's kind of the conundrum that you have to get past because the numbers do matter. So that's always the balance you got to strike is keep those numbers up because you know your intangibles control of the game. Playmaking is going to be top tier. If you get the efficiency, you get the turnovers to match, that's how you become a top 10 player. There's only so much you can believe in intangibles, though, to the point to where like you can't avoid seeing. that 17% from three.
Starting point is 01:24:45 I mean, but he's running with Tobias Harris and like as, he had okay spacing. I mean, no, but I mean, I'm saying like Tobias Harris in a playoff series, we know what that has generally like brought upon. And so we had, that's not something that we've never necessarily like believed in. And the, we've talked about the rules the whole time. The Knicks Piston series, I think, was that and the warrior series, those two were the most physical series out of all of them. Yeah. And so I think like, I think like, like you said, the eye test, watching those, watching
Starting point is 01:25:20 those games, Cade was the one where you could, you could feel him still dictating, even if the shot wasn't going, still being a threat on every single play. So I'm going to give him a little bit of credit for that. If you do want to knock him for something, it would be, hey, you're playing, you are running these pick and rolls and car athlete towns is right there. Why are your number not amazing? You know, like that could, that could be something that you could point to. He could tell me, and I'd be like, okay, fine. But I still want to give him just a little bit more, more credit for the way that he played. Yeah, I think C plus or B minus is fine.
Starting point is 01:25:51 Like, C plus if we're gauging, like, the actual performance, but you do it to keep mind, you grade everybody to their expectations. This isn't a good performance for a lead guard. And so this is a similar conversation to the Pallow thing we're talking about. They're not amazing performances for what you want to win a series, but I guess you gave Pallow credit for this. I'll give okay credit for this. It's about process and, you know, actually, never mind.
Starting point is 01:26:12 this isn't palace first time there my bad but this is Kay's first time there we have to keep that in mind that there is a learning curve this roster is here they overperformed there have veterans in the building they got themselves the competency it's not like a ready made playoff roster to go toe to toe with great teams that teams that are capable of beating the Celtics at that like in context I can see B minus for everything but I think we walked away like with this from this series knowing we already knew this coming into the playoffs but we walked away knowing like he still has like some things in his game that he needs to address, whether it be some aspects of his scoring, or, like,
Starting point is 01:26:47 how he gets his shot off specifically. That's always been a thing throughout the entirety of his career. So I'm okay with giving him like a C-plus. Yeah. In the regular season, he's found ways to kind of make up for the lack of explosion at the rim. He's never going to be an elite rim finisher, which is pretty important for a lead ball handler. You kind of have to be to be like a top-tier player. He made up for that by having a really good in-between game, having the post-ups, having the hook shots, the running floaters, all that stuff that he does in the short mid-range area
Starting point is 01:27:13 and the three-point shot was really strong this year. That's what made it all come together. His off-the-dribble three was great. It was a weapon for him. When you shoot 17% from three, everything's going to fall apart.
Starting point is 01:27:23 It really boils down to that. The other scoring, the twos weren't great because he had to try to force it because the threes weren't respected. That's the OG and the Ninobe style right there. You think it's that?
Starting point is 01:27:33 Okay, fair enough. I mean, I can't. Okay. So yeah. C plus. That feels fine. Yeah, I agree. He didn't do horrible,
Starting point is 01:27:40 but you have a ways to go as you'd expect Yeah, yeah for sure And with that being said, that's the first part of the show We're gonna take it out three other players To rank as well, or to grade Memphis Grizzies, being talked about them at all On purpose We gotta talk about them just for at least one second
Starting point is 01:27:55 Three players on the Grizzles We're wearing two on the Grizzlies I got your mind Two players on the Grizzlies And then we, I think we forgot to grid Also Jalen Brown Okay, Jalen Brown Which of Jalen Brown grade
Starting point is 01:28:07 I mean, see He's had really good moments and other moments where his leg looks wet. So I'm going, I'm just going to see. I think something that could, I would agree with you. I think something that I could see elevating my game or my grade for Jam Brown is seeing how he's going to operate without Tatum. The playmaking that he was able to get off during that last game.
Starting point is 01:28:30 Man, I'm giving that. Kind of moves me. If they're able to extend it to fucking seven game series, hey man, shout out. Shout out to Jaylor. Shout out to Jay and Brown for everything he did in game five. That game. Shout out Luke Cornyette for real. And shout out my homie, my sunshine, Derek White.
Starting point is 01:28:48 Because Derek White was out here hooping. In game five. But overall in the series, I'm getting at a time. John Moran and J. and Jaron Jackson. Jaron Jackson, he deserves the loudest F ever. I think he shot 37% from the field. He made only three, three-pointers in the series that lasted four games.
Starting point is 01:29:09 he only put up a total of three assists and 11 toners for the entirety of the series. That is one of the worst thinkers that I've ever seen from an all-star player ever, ever, ever. He deserves an F. Tough. Okay. Yeah, I mean, I don't have much to say to defend him. It wasn't great. Part of that is also John Moran got hurt, so Jaronne got increased responsibility as a series went on.
Starting point is 01:29:35 They just got blitz so hard. And, you know, they blew those big lead, that big lead in that one game was that. game three they did the big lead yeah i think that's the game jow was hurt yeah the game he went out they blew the big lead game four they got stomped actually no game four they they fought and it was closer than you would have thought without jaw that's why jaw was like we figured him out yeah but nevertheless john moran's kind of hard to grade because he had two games and once again got injured what do you do what do you do with that the uh incomplete yeah it's like jarias garland i have no sample size of note to take away from this yeah that's why i wasn't
Starting point is 01:30:06 I can put them on here. We forgot, whatever. I wish I could say something more positive. Two and a half games doesn't tell you much about anything. Yeah, I give them a D just overall incomplete, for sure. Incomplete assignment is the best way to look at it. No. And as that being said, we're going to take a break right now and we're going to come back.
Starting point is 01:30:24 Yeah, you're getting ahead of yourself. Put that shit down. We're not doing that yet. Oh, you're right. We're going to take quick break. You guys are going to see us about six and a half, seven hours from now because it give you guys a reaction to game six. of the OKC Thunder versus Devere Nugget series.
Starting point is 01:30:38 Y'all, you will not see me towards the second half of this. Taking us back home to Atlanta. Shout out to the State Farm Arena. Trae Young ain't been able to do it. Al Horford wasn't able to do it. My name will be on those rafters. I'll see you guys. Doubt.
Starting point is 01:30:54 Well, God damn, Julian Strother. All right. That's how you have a legacy role player game. It's about time. All of these games have been decided. And this whole series has been defined by The Star isn't stepping up This star is playing like trash
Starting point is 01:31:10 Why doesn't Julian Strother do something about it And he did tonight Save the Nugget season Wow We're recording this like you told you guys earlier Right after the game ended Game 6 just ended it's 1020 20 Whoa what did I just say
Starting point is 01:31:24 It's 1022 PM And we now have a game 7 on our hands The Denver Nuggets pull it out Defend their home court Forced game 7 And you know this is typically what you see. It's what the Boston Celtics did just now
Starting point is 01:31:37 when they almost face elimination against the Knicks. These guys aren't going outside, and they did not. They executed that offense in the second half to perfection. Oh, my goodness. Man, there's so many things to talk about when he comes to what we witness within this game. But I guess, like, the biggest talking point right now, like you said, should be Julius Strothan.
Starting point is 01:31:56 And then, of course, we're going to, like, dive into grading the Nicole Yolkett Shea and Jadub and all that. Yeah, so, yeah, like you said, The topic of this episode is Grading the Stars. Cats going crazy. So we can start. We can frame it through that. Shaked Los Alexander came out, had a great game.
Starting point is 01:32:16 He finished with 30, I think, or over. 30. Exactly 30. And he's the only one. He's the only one that had a great game. Jalen Williams. My God. Jalen Williams for great tonight.
Starting point is 01:32:27 F minus. Leg was wet. Jailin Williams, man. Last year of the playoffs, a big talking point. why they lost, this man was not ready to be a second option. You know, for all the strengths he has defensively, the half-course shot creation has always been an issue.
Starting point is 01:32:42 Who has it been an issue or was it an issue tonight? He played absolutely horribly. So before we get to, I guess, the grading, they lost this game because in the second half, they started off shooting two for 17 from three. Their offense completely fell apart because they just didn't make shots at all. And the Nuggets played fantastic. The role player stepped up.
Starting point is 01:32:58 Jamal Murray played great through the sickness. Julian Shross, like we talked about made threes. They just got out shot in the second half. I feel like this is the most simple of all the losses. Yes, I agree. It feels like David Adelman found the Michael Porter Jr. insurance. He found the Russell Westbrook insurance, and he's been trying to look. He's been force-feeding guys like Payne Watson, Jr., and Payne Watson, and also, really, that's it.
Starting point is 01:33:27 Christian Braun has, like, offensive weapons. He's been constantly looking for that fourth guy to rely on consistently. four minutes. And this night, Aaron Gordon had a horrific game. Jamal Marie played well. Yokins did Yokic things, of course, but usually, like, that's the tell-tale story. Who is that other extra guy? And I saw on, I saw the stat during the game that said that Russell Westbrook leads all bench players in points coming off of the bench for the playoffs, which is cool stuff. But he was horrendous this game. He was just running around as if he was a bodybuilder who just learned about the sport of basketball two days ago. You seen that clip of, uh,
Starting point is 01:34:03 Ashton Hall, just like shooting a wab, shooting a basketball, and then eating a watermelon. That felt like Russell Westbrook tonight. Just like big and just like shooting around, bro. This is so charged. This big black dude just running around eating watermelon all day. Mike's a watermelon part, bro. Got nothing to lose.
Starting point is 01:34:21 He just looks big to shoot around, bro. That's who. No, this game was actually, if you think about yes, like Nuggets fans are going to look back on this and they're going to say, it's the Julian Strava game about time we got something from from him and from our bench cool if you look at it just like aside from that this game the thunder should be ashamed that they lost because you had you had a sick Jamal Murray you had like like well said Russell Westbrook who was pretty bad for a majority of the night you had a Nuggets team that they came out
Starting point is 01:34:56 they gave a very very valiant first punch in the first quarter okay see took very very good control of this game in the second quarter and threw it all away in the last three minutes and then from that moment on they couldn't do anything all even on top of the fact that their threes weren't falling they were making especially in the third quarter they were making boneheaded mistakes yeah they weren't finishing layups right they were they were just out of out of control they weren't in sync the entire game and so to have all of those things go in your favor where and also to have a good shade game right there were a lot of things that could have worked in their favor that should have led to them closing out this series, and they just didn't
Starting point is 01:35:35 get it done. Yeah. I think as soon as the Denver Nuggets went up to one, I still had faith that Thunder would win, but I immediately was like, it's going to go game seven. You're not going to close out three games in a row against the Nuggets at home on their home court, which everyone knows is the best home court advantage in the NBA. I feel like this game to me is more about the Nuggets having a Nuggets game. Like this is the first game that they wire to wire with the better team because their
Starting point is 01:35:57 offense executed. They had almost 90 points in the third quarter. in most of these games they're being locked up by this thunder defense that's obviously like going to be a legendary defense they got their game off today you know they have the home court advantage the role player step up as you typically see if i'm a nuggets fan this is the first night of the series i feel really good about their chances to win the series because obviously we'll see what happens when you get back to okay c we'll see if the thunder have it in them with ice in their veins to close it out but they're at home and for most of the series every game the thunder had played better at home than the nuggets it did except for the game one they lost at home because we talk about it lane we've Mark Dagnol choked. Yeah, even that game, they played better. Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying. Thunder have been better at home every single game. They just lost one because Mark Dagonel did the stupidest thing in the world.
Starting point is 01:36:38 But outside of that, I think that Thunder have maintained good momentum. If you want to find optimism as a Nuggets fan, this is the night to have it because their offense was clicking despite the great defense. And obviously, like we said, the Thunder, just their shot making fell off a cliff in the fourth quarter. That tends to happen. They do not have the best high-libered shooters. If they have an Achilles heel, aside from Jade of, it is the fact that some of these guys can be streaky shooters.
Starting point is 01:37:00 If you have go momentum with your offense and the Nuggets and you know those guys can piss on their legs sometimes I'd feel decent if I was a Nuggets fan. Bro, yeah, I agree with you. Every Nuggets fan should be Joyce right now because it now feels like they legitimately have a chance to go further than what we all thought. And that's because, again, going back to the Julian Strathaway thing, like not to harp too much on him, but I'm harping on the fact that they legitimately have another option, another guy that they could probably rely on now. Of course, game seven, I think that the, okay, so we'll probably. make adjustments and learn to stay stay at home a lot more at him now that he's showcasing his
Starting point is 01:37:35 three-point shooting abilities but this is another option nonetheless that you have back then throughout the entirety of the series and hell of playoff postseason really like they've been capped to only six guys maybe seven guys depending on how you feel about pain wants him yeah i'll see i'll see i'm a little nervous we'll see it's one game with strathar i'm not going to act like he's blowing the series open exactly he's not we'll see it's about the margins and he just added in a little extra wrinkle which is important. When we were watching the game I was saying it's
Starting point is 01:38:03 feel like it's been a while that we've seen one of these vintage role player games. This happened all the time. Honestly, this game is like such a quintessential like playoff game. Yeah. It checks the boxes. Home team facing elimination. They lost two in a row. They don't want to go outside three in a row. They even had the best player. They obviously play well at home.
Starting point is 01:38:19 The role players step up. They stayed themselves off elimination, give themselves another night to fight to win the series. That happens all the time. Role players like Julian instructor giving you nothing and then winning you a game happens all the time and we're talking about remind me back from grant williams one of the Celtics that series of that game and like was that 22 or something yeah i think against the bucks he had 27 in a random games i think was a game six actually too it was it was a game seven three's in a game seven yeah that that's how this felt like this happens
Starting point is 01:38:44 in the playoffs all the time this is the first one of this season i think i can't think of another that's what you need that's how you win playoff series especially when you're not the better team you need guys to step up and give you a game that's exactly what this was and now we get to a game seven and I'm I'm worried obviously because of the inherent winter girl home nature of game seven but also because and this was another thing that we talked about during the game is like I understand why the thunder go and why they operate with their two big lineup specifically playing against yokech yeah but there's so many times I'm like eh like I just I just want to see chat at the five I'd rather you just have him and then four of your wings and four of your
Starting point is 01:39:21 shooters and really, really lean on the strength of your team, which is these, these guards, these wings that can do everything defensively, that can provide spacing. And you just haven't seen that. And so because of that, like when their offense gets really, really in the mud, if that happens in game seven, there's literally no margin for error. So I'm like, I hope for their sake that J-Dub, and he will because he played awful tonight. He'll play better than what he did tonight.
Starting point is 01:39:50 but like this isn't his first bad game of the series it's not it's not but I I mean I guess again like bet the for me just saying better the bars in the floor I'm a I don't feel I still feel solid I mean I this going seven obviously in the beginning I thought I was going to be okay C in six once they lost a couple
Starting point is 01:40:06 games got down it's okay it's going to go seven right they're going to win it's going to be in seven they're not going to win three in a row against the thunder so I'm going to get some nuggets so I don't feel horrible about the okayC chances but you know we said this when they were down to one you got to show you have championship merit. These are the moments that define championship runs. If you want to be that level of
Starting point is 01:40:23 team, you have to win with adversity. And a lot of championship teams are in this scenario where they're at home in a game seven have the ability to close it out. Sometimes the team as a best player, you just got to perform and play to your level. TBD, right? In a game seven, if any series I go seven, any team can win. Because to win three games on both, clearly you're close enough for whatever reasons that any team can win. It's just, are they going to execute? So with that being said with what we know now starting with okay C how do you which player do you want to grade first
Starting point is 01:40:53 oh let's do Shea okay very good game tonight I'll give so again back to the main core of this episode grading every team's entire playoff performance not just tonight I'll give Shay a B minus overall he's trending up now he's had a few good games in a row
Starting point is 01:41:08 there's been some learning curves for him because like we talk about when we started this episode we mentioned the fact that the playoffs have been insanely different this year and how every team is allowed to foul the shit out of the opposing star and they're letting things go. That conversation was really based around Yolkits and Shea. This is the whole reason we've been mentioned that throughout.
Starting point is 01:41:26 Shea is getting defended so insanely aggressively. They're allowed to clobber him, and same with Yokic. Both these teams are throwing the most exotic, crazy coverages you could imagine. The way they're going to the lengths to double team Shay. From speaking of a scene before, exotic. It really is. Like the way they're throwing these double teams, not to say we'd ever seen it before, but it's extreme. and we haven't seen in quite a few years
Starting point is 01:41:47 in this version of the NBA where they're allowed to do that with the level of aggression they are and that threw Shea off completely to start the series. He had some rough games, some rough fourth quarters where trying to balance
Starting point is 01:41:57 his driving game with this newfound aggression with these double teams and then trying to balance that with being a good passer and making reasons necessary against these extreme doubles didn't go too well for him
Starting point is 01:42:08 and I think we saw the reason the series isn't over is because he struggled in a few of these games it's trending upwards now but I think we've seen some humps that he has to get over and he has getting over them as we speak you know this was a good game like we said
Starting point is 01:42:19 but it's been a mixed back so I think overall for his MVP level standards be minus feels fair I like that I like that rating because a lot of people it's been so feel so far away now but in that Memphis Grizzies series of course okay see dog got them like they should have but She didn't have a Shea game really
Starting point is 01:42:37 well he did he had like a singular Shea game but overall throughout the entire series who was struggling with his shots in the defense at the Memphis this grisies were throwing at him and that struggle has waned away as time gone on because he's starting to slowly and truly figure things out but still overall it has been rough and he hasn't been one of the he hasn't been like the guy in the playoffs like he has been the guy for the entirety of the regular season the efficiency and all that naturally is going to drop off for
Starting point is 01:43:02 everyone that's normal but when it comes to like you said like all the in between things to figure out when it comes to passing which has always been like a weakness for him naturally in my mind he's he's not that we it's been on the squadron report since he was in fucking high school and to see these he's developed a lot but in the playoffs these things just get heightened especially when he comes to the type of team that okayc is and how they are limited when it comes to actual offensive game deciders yeah you know uh his rim philgal percentage dropped from 70% the regular season at 61 and that's the same thing that happened last year's playoffs right these teams are selling out on him the thing you're not going to let you slash and he's
Starting point is 01:43:43 responded by killing teams from the mid-range before this game that happened that obviously the stats aren't updated he's averaging 28 7-7 on 51% effective field goal percentage because he's shooting 48% from the mid-range so he's still getting that off but the slashing's taken away if they're going to do that and they're going to really just pack the pain on you in a very I guess you can say a simple way right they're just saying we're going to help and you're going to have to beat us with a shot or pass he has to kill you with the passing and he hasn't done that consistently yeah it feels weird for a guy that has six 30-point games in this post season to be like, yo, you play pretty disappointing throughout this run, but it is what it is.
Starting point is 01:44:16 And it's like he set a standard for himself this season and even last and even last year throughout, you know, these two runs where you have been one of the most consistent scores. Everyone has talked this year about how this is one of the best, you know, guards scoring seasons that we've ever seen. And now, like those first two games against, against Memphis, yes, I can kind of throw them away because they dogwalked him, but also, I mean, you also didn't play well. He got better as every game in that series went on. But here we are.
Starting point is 01:44:49 And it still doesn't feel like we've had like the Shea moment in these. Something that a lot of people haven't, they're not going to see it because of the timing of how we sectioned this off or whatever. But something that you said earlier or later in the episode, Isaac, is we're grading these guys based off of their expectation. She has an entirely different expectation. This is the end of the episode. Oh, okay, cool. She has an entirely different level of expectation than any other player in this list outside of Janus
Starting point is 01:45:17 and someone like Yolkich. Yeah, and I think it's also important that he's not, so you said he's at 60, 30 point games, why isn't their dominant single game? I think it's important to the context that we mentioned. They're not letting him get crazy games off like that. Like they're selling out to defend him. It is two, sometimes three bodies thrown to him every time.
Starting point is 01:45:36 Sometimes it's like if he gets caught in an island and he's isolating against MPJ, whatever, Christian Brown comes over on the nail and just wax them. Like, it's so aggressive and so dramatic of a defense. Shout out David Adelman. He's had coach a great defensive series. People will look at this and say, why aren't you dicing up this Nuggets defense? This Nuggets defense is defending so much higher than you would think given their, like what
Starting point is 01:45:57 they showed us in the regular season. What they were whenever they fire Mike Malo. And their talent on paper, both those things. Because one, Yokich just had a great defensive series because the way they're deciding to pack the paint, Yokich and his ability to play the passing lanes in the paint is like, the actual skill he's really good at that and on top of that too something that's really impressive with yokes is his ability
Starting point is 01:46:16 to just be big and absorb any impact that players who are coming downhill like jade up are trying to like do yeah yeah he's he's bad at rotating he's a stationary inside the paint guy camping out he's huge in his good hands that's an advantage and then erin gordon same thing this team is very
Starting point is 01:46:32 well equipped for this exact type of defense that's the reason they're selling out so hard on it to take away shee there's other teams have better defensive personnel won't be quite as equipped to do this specific style of defense. So I don't even think it's like, oh, you should dice up this better defense. They're just saying somebody else got to dice us up.
Starting point is 01:46:49 And I guess we can transition to J-dub who has to be the one to dice them up because they're selling out so hard on Shea. And he gets a stinking D for this playoff run so far. He has not been particularly good, especially offensively. If he was good tonight, the series would be over. Or maybe not because the Nuggets played well. But this game would have came down in the fourth quarter. He played so unbelievably poorly.
Starting point is 01:47:07 And this is not the first game. He had this type of stinker. every question you had around J-Dib after Lashers' playoffs, he's giving you every reason to keep asking it. That's not good. It's not good.
Starting point is 01:47:18 Yeah, that's obviously not good. It's a great defender. Offensively. I think part of the reason that Shays and win MVP is because you look at this roster and he carries the offense creation so hard,
Starting point is 01:47:29 J-Dob should be a third option, not a second option. That's kind of the reality. He's not consistent enough. When you have an inconsistent second option, sometimes he does stuff like this. It's not, hasn't been pretty. Can you imagine OKC boozes
Starting point is 01:47:40 in game seven. Sam Pressy has a meltdown and just goes ahead and decides to trade everything for Yannis, Jadov, including. I think it might more likely be Kevin Durant and Jadab's out of here. That might be more likely. That would be a great fit. I would, bro, I've wanted nothing more than a KD reunion back to O KC to complete what this team is missing and has been missing over the last two years. Yeah. I think if they lose game seven, I think, I understand that they want to stand pat, but like if you lose game seven, it will be clearly, I think, oh, but we can't tell the future. but it'll probably be counting for this game too because your second option isn't good enough and for that what is your grade for zeta yeah i mean probably a d you know like it's it's the
Starting point is 01:48:21 it's the same thing we we had him as the x factor because if he came out and answered all the questions that we had we're looking at this team they are stamped one of the best teams ever they are cruising to to a championship the way that the that the bracket has broken out right now it is so wide open and with the Knicks potentially getting to the conference finals if the Celtics come back and win this series they're gonna go on without Jason Tatum
Starting point is 01:48:47 the Pacers are there in the conference finals waiting on the other side. Then you have the Tim Wolves who yes they won in five we've been said. They have not looked crisp all series long. And then you have Denver
Starting point is 01:48:59 who on any given night can have a game like this but they also have to rely on Julian Strather to come in and give you 15 minutes you have to hope that you are locked in with russell westbrook so the thunder are at least on paper and on resume the best team remaining yeah they should walk to a championship it's not like that they might get bounced out in the second round because everybody else that needs to step up and help shade whenever you know you are selling out and doing all that stuff
Starting point is 01:49:27 they're not doing it triple d we are fucking locked in because i'm giving j wd as well this game was so perfectly served in like a platter for him to showcase that like yeah, he's a legitimate second option who can help Shagos Alexander whenever he is in the mud with his shot, which he wasn't, or in this case scenario today that happened, he was in file trouble and I think he had like four files before halftime even started or something or something like that, which is ridiculous. And so to see J to do things like smoke the easiest of bunnies ever because of the lack of, I don't know, his body control in midair and not necessarily like learning the mastering the artist slowing down when you're in the room after.
Starting point is 01:50:07 you like gain so much acceleration or fucking hell i think it was fourth quarter we've seen him like smoke smoke a dunk he missed he missed two fast break possessions one he tried to cut off payton watson's body and do some fancy shit where he you know it's a typical thing you see in transition he block him off so they can't contest it well without fouling he went too far timed it horribly Peyton watson blocked him from the back again in the fourth quarter similar situation he just smokes a dunk bounces out the back of the rim just not his night in this in this series here's shooting five for 20 six for 11 11 of 21 those are the two like solid games then last three games two for 13 five for 14 tonight he was three of 16 and he's defended extremely well he's done that
Starting point is 01:50:46 extremely well he's an amazing defender yeah does not matter when you have so much offensive responsibility like him and shay are literally the only office of creators you have which is a roster flaw like that's not good but you know when you have the all-time great defense part of that because the j-dub you win more often than you not but against a team like the nuggets They're just so disciplined, so good. You have to perform against them. It's kind of like a thing against the Pacers where they don't have a ton of off nights.
Starting point is 01:51:10 You have to play your tip-top level, especially when you're in Denver. You just can't afford nights like this from a guy who has this much responsibility. It's a roster flaw. But I do want to say it's not, this is not one of those like glaring ones. They had a very, very talented young player
Starting point is 01:51:24 and said, go develop. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so it's like, it sucks that it's played out this way that you look at it as in, it's like, ah, you're actually not what we really. need offensively or you're not at that level at what we need right now but it I don't want anybody to go back and do revisionist yeah unlike what jada was you know the prospect a year a year and a half ago he was actually way better early last year offensibly we've talked about this a lot
Starting point is 01:51:50 he put on a lot of weight to be their power forward defensively over the summer and now he's a fucking tank defensive goon but the offense kind of that's you can kind of see the correlation there that kind of went the other way. So yeah, I agree. I mean, and also he's a great player still. So it's not, there's just a lot of responsibility on him that naturally he has to carry. You know, you're given that role. You get the props if you win. If you win the championship, you're the second option on that team, good for you. You want all, you got an all star because this role you're in. So comes to the territory. He has to be better. So I don't, yeah, I don't think it's some kind of thing where you need to be like,
Starting point is 01:52:22 was this whole experiment, a mistake to rely on him? Yeah. No, you, you have the roster around you. Everything else is great because you're not putting assets into a second star. So you can afford to have insane defensive personnel there's give and taken this is what they chose to give yeah exactly this isn't the worst issue to have in the world okay see like surprise surprise how old is he's like 22 23 years old yeah a little bit older he was an older rookie he's like 24 i'm like that 24 years old 24 years old not being ready as a 24 year old second option is not the biggest surprise in the world whatsoever yeah now again that's how people doubted them that's why if you if you want a reason why somebody was going to say they're not going to the championship they would point to
Starting point is 01:52:56 what you just said and you guys know i i feel like i'm i'm going to just so bad on them clearly so but you can obviously understand jdub specifically i've never said that you shouldn't doubt jdub i said i'm willing to bet they're going to be great because the defense because i believe in shay and everything else around that but jadub was clearly something you can doubt so it's not entirely surprising you would have hoped that after last year he comes out and performs better just because you know you got to hope you got to perform in the day it's about execution motherfucker's not executing twice in a row in the second round what are you going to do exactly you're going to train him for kevin doris yeah i guess so so yannis come on but i still feel decent
Starting point is 01:53:30 I'm not panicking yet as somebody who obviously wants to see the O'KC Thunder win I feel fine about game seven How do you feel about Nicola Yokich in his performance so far? Another one I'm talking about. This is similar to Shea
Starting point is 01:53:41 that the whole basis of this episode is to have some dialogue around Shea and Yokic's performance and their bad games and the context that these are coming in because he obviously game won had 40 points and was goddamn dominant 40 and 20
Starting point is 01:53:54 I said they won that game because Mark Dagnon sold at the end also they were in the position to take advantage of Mark Dagnon's selling because Yokic was a god amongst men in game one. And then game two, three, and four, I guess, are the worst three-game stretch of Nicole Yokage's career. He played absolutely terribly.
Starting point is 01:54:11 The OKC defense gave him hell. They just refused to let him touch the ball. They were constantly breaking up the entry passes with a ridiculous amount of primitive defenders that are good at that specific skill. They did a good job with the double bigs of not letting him get an easy touch. Insane defense. They were fouling the shit out of him in the same way the nuggets are fouling the shit at a but in the last two games he's really walking up and gone back to Yokocha's standards so similar
Starting point is 01:54:33 to Shea up and down his heights are ridiculous the lows they they lost some games because he was so bad what do you grade that overall a minus I think like if we're grading the whole playoff run because he was great in the clip series too yeah yeah and so he was fantastic in there and I mean we've seen you know last year you go back to the Tim Wolves and you see a team like Minnesota who has just a lot of big bodies and they're able to contain Yokage and now you even have a better defensive team in terms of everything that that you have with Hardinstein with Chet to go in it and guard and guard Yokids. Now, should he have been as bad as he was?
Starting point is 01:55:14 Absolutely not. But one, there's a baseline level of just how much he has to carry for this team that like you get a little bit of credit. And also last game, you can. got like 40 points again. Come crazy. Same thing tonight. Diamond people up.
Starting point is 01:55:31 He finishes one shy of 30. Like, he's still Yokic. And so I'm giving him an A minus for the run. Yeah. I like that grade perfectly fine. I think with the mountains that he's had continuously had to climb, allows him to not have any to, like any real, any real error in his game whatsoever. Nobody's talking about his defense. The defense is completely fine.
Starting point is 01:55:55 Yeah, exactly. Like, one of the. most impressive things about is even specifically in this series too like i think i said it earlier is his ability to absorb contact and try his best to get to the spot that has that is the offensive player is trying to get to first sometimes it's cooked but other times it's for the most part it's panned out pretty well and that's why teams aren't necessarily able to successfully pick on yokech for the most part and i i i 100% agree i give him a as well for what he did during the clipper series a 40 point games of course put up 13 16 7
Starting point is 01:56:26 team in the most horrific efficiency of his career. But considering, like, the amount of task that's put onto his shoulders and the small amount of error from margin as well, he's given the, he's given one of the toughest tasks in the entire NBA, I give him a. Yeah, I mean, listen, he went to game seven and clutched up and beat the second best team of the second half of the season in the Western Conference and the Clippers. They're number two in that rating. Or actually, I think they were one for the second half of the season.
Starting point is 01:56:51 And now he's in game seven with the 68 win team. Yeah. Obviously, this team is not deep. revolves around Yokic and he's pushing potentially the two biggest threats out West besides his team, two seven games will see if he wins both. It's despite the lack of production
Starting point is 01:57:06 for those three games, we're winning him what could be a miraculous run. If he beats the Thunder and goes through Clippers, Thunder and gets to the final. Brother, that's a generation run. If they fired the coach and the GM, nine games before the end of the team, and you get to the finals.
Starting point is 01:57:24 Oh my God. These are nasty conversations we're going to be having about I'm going to say I still think the Thunder will win Yeah Again I said it on the stream Last week
Starting point is 01:57:33 Earlier this week If the Thunder lose It'll be the biggest disappointment Of modern NBA history To have a team be One of the five Most dominant regular season Teams ever and losing the second round
Starting point is 01:57:43 Point blank it is Maybe number two Besides the 3-1 Warriors The biggest disappointment Of our lifetimes in the NBA That won't be exaggerating To say that The Thunder will have deserved
Starting point is 01:57:53 All the blame for that So if you're watching this Three days from now and the Thunder Blow at Game 7, cook them. It is one of the worst appointments of all time. It'll be deserved. And after they cook them, cook him.
Starting point is 01:58:02 You have to. You have to. You'll have to. And I'll have to understand because that means they are complete failures. I'll have to just take it. We got all. But with that being said.
Starting point is 01:58:11 We said the same thing as you. You just said it first. But with that being said, if that happens, not only our OKC Thunder is one of the biggest failures, Yoki just fucking go at it. That's a top five player of all time.
Starting point is 01:58:21 You leave me here with something. That's what you're saying. He does that. Oh my God. If Yokish finds a way to win this series, I'm praying he wins the finals. I'm praying he sees it through because that's like a 2011 Dirk run,
Starting point is 01:58:32 but even better. You have gone through just as good a competition with more turmoil, less help. If, again, obviously I want Thunder to win. I don't want to be yelled that for a summer. Yeah. But if it happens, I'm glad it's Jokic. That'll be miraculous.
Starting point is 01:58:45 I'm glad it's him if it happens. I hope he keeps on going because it'll be crazy. Yeah, man. I agree. It's hilarious. Yeah, we'll see because I think game seven is going to be on Saturday. So we'll stream on Tuesday
Starting point is 01:58:58 You guys will be able to see You really be able to laugh at me And I'll have to listen Or we're gonna say Yok it you did your thing But this team in blue is different This is a crazy series man This is if this field
Starting point is 01:59:11 I tweeted the other day It's on Sunday game seven is on Sunday Oh it's on Sunday Sunday Sunday This Sunday is literally I'm sorry Why do they keep doing this man Why is game seven at
Starting point is 01:59:21 At 2.30 in the afternoon 3.30 east? Well at least there's two days off time before it was one day off that's what you which is yeah that was insane it's it's why at the same time put this thing at 630 at night and let's call it a day I agree this is this is a classic this right here is this feels like final this is a finals worthy ask type game these are the two best teams that's left in the NBA in my opinion right now they probably do that because they have to um Tuesday has to start the second round I mean third round so they probably do it early
Starting point is 01:59:49 day as possible so the winning team got as much rest as possible let me see this let me see Tuesday's schedule. Nope, no, well, no game schedule for Tuesday, but whatever. Lame. Anyways, 2.30 is egregious. But, but, yeah, they, if they can, they can pull this off, it would be, it would be amazing. And it's, it's one of those, it turns into one of those things where it becomes myth. And we're going to be, you know, we're going to be those old dudes, like, you don't understand, like, the term world that Denver was going through.
Starting point is 02:00:20 And Yonucut's let him out of this. With that being said, if the. OkCCy Thunder fucking fold this hard and losing the second round and then the Nuggets losing the next round and there's no history made because of it I'll be pissed
Starting point is 02:00:30 I'll be pissed there'd be some people There's a young man from Atlanta who is ready to ruin your summer I would also like to see Anthony Edwards that would also be a cool outcome if he went to championship
Starting point is 02:00:42 yeah but like if this ends with like the Nuggets losing in the conference finals like the next win the championship I'll be pissed this happens with the Pacers beating the T-WO I'll be pissed oh I'll be pissed
Starting point is 02:00:52 Oh, my God. It would also be cool to see most. He seems win. Like, Halliburton victory left would also be cool. Yeah, it's an NBA champion for sure. It wouldn't be cooler than Yokic backpacking this hard. NBA champion. Emmerz NBA Cup champion.
Starting point is 02:01:05 Keep the fucking. Oh, we're getting, we're stacking about all of their career. I'm just saying he's stacking up trophies. Do you know how much static is going to be put on someone like Sam Presti for the lack of moves that he made during the trade deadline? I'm speaking specifically towards like the Cam Johnson thing. Yeah. so much pressure is going to be on his Oh yeah Joe Andrew Wiggins is one for six
Starting point is 02:01:25 tonight that didn't help either And to get Cam Johnson They would have to trade Andrew Wiggins and Isaiah Joe Andrew Wiggins? Aaron Wiggins Obviously come on You know what I meant I know I was like
Starting point is 02:01:34 Come on but he was on track Yeah And listen some of these If they had something more reliable hitting these threes It would have made a difference in these games The fuck happened on Isaiah Joe He just hasn't got a lot of run
Starting point is 02:01:46 He just disappeared bro I saw him with the court I was like oh shit This player dropped This is what happens. Titan rotation. You can't, you, it's very hard to play 10 guys in a playoff service. Okay, so who's in a win?
Starting point is 02:01:58 A hundred predictions. You guys know where I'm rocking with. Who's in a win? I'm going to win. Man. I've been swayed. I think, yeah, I've been swayed. I think Yokic has, you know, figured things out.
Starting point is 02:02:10 Everything's fine. The role players have played better at home in every game of the series. Stay true to the adage. Shout to you. I'm going with the nuggets. Game 7 is toast so tough, man. Naturally, I would want to lean towards O KC. side my brain tells me okay see because just logically makes more sense everyone's going to be
Starting point is 02:02:26 juiced up for the game um lu doris gonna play better j dub especially should be should be fucking playing way better i just don't know if denver has enough answers and optionality for what's for the like storm that's when it happened damn oh leudor hit threes today by the way yeah after after going a month and a half not hitting any threes on the road he hit uh one in the previous game and he hit two today yeah he figured it out y'all he forgot i had to make threes on the road mind you he was two for seven he was two for seven hey two for seven better than none man ludor give us and ludor
Starting point is 02:02:57 take it the way I'm moving towards Nicole Yokich but Ludo's going to be at home now they won last game to see at three in the fourth quarter home court Ludoort is different I'm not even joking by the same home court Ludo is different I know you're not I know you not I'm leaning with the all time player in Nicole Yokits right now I'm leaning with all time player and Shagio to
Starting point is 02:03:13 Alexander how about that he's going to be all time I know I'm kidding okay obviously obviously I trust Yokchich before more but But, yeah, I mean, OTCC has shown us zero games where they play poorly at home. Yeah. Their shitters have all been on the road. And that makes sense with Denver having such a good home court advantage.
Starting point is 02:03:30 I say I feel 65% confident that OKC closes it out. That's a fair amount. The fact that this series is even in seven is still just like. Shout out the Nuggets either way. What are we doing here, right? Yeah. Yeah, OKC trolled a few games, but also shout out the Nuggets, man. I again, whenever they fired their coach, they felt dead in the water.
Starting point is 02:03:54 Yes. And it wasn't just, they locked in, they sat up, they got the controller. Even if they lose game seven, I don't care. This has been a great performance. Like, not only is it like always a red flag to fire your coach, I would say, actually, never mind. I said always. It's never happened before.
Starting point is 02:04:08 So not only is it a red flag to fire your coach. Two weeks prior. Two weeks prior, I think it was like less than 10 games left. Obviously a tremendous red flag that that alone, that injected turbulence makes you think, okay well they're cooked right like that can't be good but also the reason he was fired is they were defending so piss poor the morale was so piss poor their morale is amazing right now they are so locked in it's a better defensive i could ever imagine everyone's clicking doing their playoff rising stuff offensively that you come to expect with way better defense than you could have expected when win-lose or draw great performance by the nuggets
Starting point is 02:04:41 it's all about the others man jemal marie has to show up like he did tonight It's not like Kendrick Perkins Really That's just like the empty adages They always say on TV It's fucking makes sense though Really
Starting point is 02:04:54 It's not wrong But it's like all right bro Yeah yeah He's not wrong Yeah but it's like what else People gotta score You're right It's true
Starting point is 02:05:01 It's literally like what else I agree Yeah But no that's definitely What's gonna decide it The Nuggets need Like Julian Strother Blue the door open
Starting point is 02:05:08 As well as the Nuggets I mean the Thunder For getting how to shoot So Who's in a bulletin I can't believe I can't believe Michael Ford Jr.
Starting point is 02:05:15 years out there playing with like a smoked brisket type shoulder like he hasn't been doing anything outside of just one dribble pull up spot up listen he was like he airballed the floater earlier today and we were like what's going on and that was just weird it's also it's all about surviving in minutes i feel like they're cap it because for the past like week they're like what did you can't raise his arm a bunch of short i've seen him move the arm like it's you know why them fucking painkillers he's out there he's out of the horse
Starting point is 02:05:47 tranquil out of it that's why you look his arm no he's 100% he's seeing stars every time he runs he has medical grade weed he goes to bed and he's like
Starting point is 02:05:59 he can't put it to move his shoulders numb damn if that's against for MPJ what the fuck are they giving Jamal Murray man the perks were off but he can't move his arm
Starting point is 02:06:08 did you see Jamal Murray on that bench looks so fucking pale. I'm just sick as hell, yeah. Yeah. He didn't play like it. He looked healthy as fuck.
Starting point is 02:06:17 I know. He was over yawning at the ref and some more shit. Yeah, man. There we go. We've graded every single star players playoff run so far, live react to game six of the best playoff series,
Starting point is 02:06:27 I think, so far. Especially with this going game seven. This has been the best playoffs series so far for my money. It's time for TikTok time. I went early. Crownators, rejoice!
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Starting point is 02:06:59 I thought it was a musical too With that being said We were once again going to start with the draft And for two weeks of not doing one we are back Today we can do another team-based draft Another blind one I don't know if you guys have been noticing I can't tell if I mentioned or not
Starting point is 02:07:11 I can't remember we've been doing it's blind now. We decide the draft topic right before it starts. So no prep is available to be taken. Today, we're drafting teams with only players who played for the Toronto Raptors. Fresh off the juice, fresh off the dome. This is blind.
Starting point is 02:07:26 Off the juice? What kind of juice are you off? It's terminology you guys don't understand. I honestly what you understand it. Okay, okay. That being said, you guys know how this works. Only category is players to play for the Raptors. From now all we're doing it where you have to pick a specific year
Starting point is 02:07:39 or at least a specific version of that player. No prime versions. They have to be in the Raptors uniform. I got first pick, Mo got second pick, Donovan third pick. Damn. This isn't even a,
Starting point is 02:07:48 this is a balanced-ass draft. This isn't even one I'd rather have first pick in. But with that means, that let's begin. First pick overall, give me 2019, Kauai Leonard. Obvious pick.
Starting point is 02:07:58 Got to start with their best player. Yeah, not a bad pick. I'd rather be in his position, but I'll take what I can get. So for my first pick, give me the best, probably the best version of Kyle Larry. I think he made the All-Star game in 2016 and 2017.
Starting point is 02:08:17 Give me Kyle Lari in 2017. Okay. I was not expecting Kyle Lari to go second, but you can have him. He's one of the greatest raptors of all-time, man. Fax? He is. All-time Raptors. And that just me?
Starting point is 02:08:28 You just set Domino up for an amazing start. Jesus Christ. Now I have buckets on buckets on buckets at my two, Vince Carter. Okay. Nice. And then. See, this is tough because I don't see, this is actually a tough decision because I'm not 100% sure where I want to go with this. See, that's why I couldn't let Kyle Liris slip in your hands.
Starting point is 02:08:54 I mean, come on. I'll get what, the third, fourth, greatest Raptor. We'll get DeMar de Rosanna through it. Oh, okay. Wow. Buckets on buckets. Okay. Damar and Carter is an interesting duo.
Starting point is 02:09:09 I wasn't expecting that. okay mo who you're going next okay so i can i want to keep it wing guard centric because they have a whole lot of goddamn bigs and we're honestly like spoils from that perspective so with that being said team mac was a raptor right he was he was i'm surprised he didn't pick him over tomorrow yeah go ahead and put team mac at the two i completely forgot up until now yeah i tomorrow over team mac that was baffling did not expect that that. Damn.
Starting point is 02:09:43 Give me Chris Bosch. How was he still here? Nice. And, ooh, don't want to go big or small. Where should I put Chris Bosch? We'll go versatile. I'm going to put him at center. Okay.
Starting point is 02:09:53 And then give me Pascal Seyakum on Power Forward. Fuck. Give me a versatile defender. Yeah, that's where... That's where you were going? Fuck. Yeah. I almost took Pascal, but...
Starting point is 02:10:05 Shit. Most improved players to Seacom. One of the most underrated players in the NBA consistently. Got 6-8, 6-9, 6-11. Start with some size. Mysai, who Jerry's doing? Yep. You know what else is?
Starting point is 02:10:17 Give me another African. At the power forward spot, give me Sergei Baca. Okay. Sergei Blaka. Clop it up for myself. Interesting. Okay, you definitely need the defense, so I've definitely, I see the vision. And I need a big badly, so at my center, I'll take Marcosol.
Starting point is 02:10:35 Okay. Yes, and that one year, that first year he was there, special. It was nice And then At my Where am I going to go here I'm a point guard We're taking the version of them on this team
Starting point is 02:10:51 So I will take the version of Fred Van Bleet But the one When he had the baby Right three games after he became a father So I'm taking father That's 19 Fred Van Bleet Okay Fair enough
Starting point is 02:11:04 Listen they don't have a ton of point guards over the years That's fair At my four, give me Scotty Barnes. Oh, I was going to take him next. I was going to do something hilarious. Yeah, give me Scottie Barnes. You already have your four, you, Serge. I'm my bad, three.
Starting point is 02:11:18 My bad. Damn, I wish you didn't do that. I was going to do something great. Yeah. I almost forgot about him too, genuine. I'm like, who the fuck's on his Raptor scene? They're so irrelevant right now. Oh, Scottie.
Starting point is 02:11:27 There you go. Oh, you don't have backtack picks. That's a pretty where I'm like, it was good. What point cresser left? Listen, man, I can introduce you to the, hey, his go. What are his homies, the last quiz. Hey, man. My homie, that's crazy.
Starting point is 02:11:45 Yeah, one of your own. I'm a two guard. I need three and D players. Give me Danny Green at shooting guard, put together, I'm putting together the 2019 Raptors. I need a blue guy. Okay. And then who? I can't think of any point guards.
Starting point is 02:12:04 I generally cannot remember any point guards. Play for the Toronto Raptors outside of Kyle Lari and Fedman Bleet. Wait, who else did they have? Some Emanuel Quickly's there right now. Yeah, I guess quickly. I can't think of- Sheed.
Starting point is 02:12:16 Shed? Shed, my bad. Dude, who played point guard before Kyle Lurie? There was such a depth. Is there something I'm forgetting? We're saying forever trying to think of a point-garde? You got it. It's not my thing.
Starting point is 02:12:28 I mean, we could talk openly, bro. I'm trying to, no, I'm trying to think of my four. Yeah, I'm trying to. Ooh. Yeah. damn okay I can't think of any of the point guards I guess give me a manual quickly I guess that's gonna take in you guys I forgot about you guys don't need point guards anymore um I'm right with you I don't I can't think of any point that's why I took
Starting point is 02:12:49 Kyle Lowry so fucking fast because I'm like yo they're stacked when it comes to the wings and the bigger players I can't suck those guys last saw so I was like there must be people from the early 2010s I mean early 2000s and 90s I can't remember but I really can't remember any other point guys he forgot about team act too brus so I'm like No, I think he knew. I think he picked DeMore over him. No, yeah, I did. Oh, really?
Starting point is 02:13:10 No, DeMar had some good years. I get it. Oh, yeah, okay. Like, Pete, if you're not asking him to play LeBron, it's like, that, that version of tomorrow is very good. I'm looking at point guards now. If anything, I completely forgot about Chris Bosch, which is why. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:13:25 Which is why because I was having a discussion earlier today about how you're not going to erase Chris Bosch from history. You know, they have no point cards. Really? I don't know. What are names that you see? I like, familiar names. I could pick Lou Williams, I guess.
Starting point is 02:13:39 Yikes. Point guard wise, Jose Calderone, Damon Stoddemeier. Yikes. Yeah. Oh, he's a Uber. Wait, it says Chauncey Billow. So he played there when he was watched. What's that sound?
Starting point is 02:13:49 I don't know. Okay. Anyways. Okay, at the five, I have a lot of, I got a lot of waste of goes. There's a noise in the house. I can either move surge and put them at the five and go small and add even more like perimeter depth to this team. Just take good wish.
Starting point is 02:14:08 Why would I do that? Just do it. I know what I said earlier when it comes to surge, but I don't literally mean. I like diversity on my team. And what that being said, I'm doing the exact opposite. O'Janer and Obi, welcome to the team.
Starting point is 02:14:19 You're at the four, move Sergei Bock into the five. Our perimeter defense is nasty. Don't ask me about size. Fair enough. We're African. We got it in our heart. You got a well-rounded team.
Starting point is 02:14:29 I see it. Donovan, who is your power forward to round out this roster? Man, this seems. your team really don't suck for real well no I don't have a I don't have a glue guy who could bring it all together yes you do shit I can think of him right now I ain't saying his name I'm not taking the hometown guy he's not a hometown guy either I'm blinking blanking like shit and so what I'm gonna do flashbangs is what I'm gonna do is I'm going to do is I'm going to just go with buckets on buckets on buckets we're going to put brandon ingram at the
Starting point is 02:15:10 okay he hasn't played a single game there can you even have that that's kind of nasty man we're saying people that are you picked a version of them on this team we've never seen him in a new before he's literally never well in photosuits that means you drafted a player who's on the bench you lose automatically damn you got four guys out there PJ Tucker is right there oh remember the LeBron stopper he could a glue guy he is the glue guy I dance for him I mean he He wasn't, like, relevant on the Raptors yet. He made his career after that. No, I mean, I mean, you remember they made the in-season trade, like, back in 2016 or 17?
Starting point is 02:15:43 And then he did it. It was like, oh! Yeah. Just for Laurent Frye him into some of the reins. He became one, like, the goat role players after that with Houston, so I wasn't even thinking about him as a Raptor. Yeah. Okay. So, for audio listeners, I got Emmanuel quickly, Danny Green, Kauai Leonard, Pascal Seacom, Chris Bosch.
Starting point is 02:15:58 I got Kyle Lowry, T.Mack, Scotty Barnes, O.G. Anerobie and Sergey Baca. Go ahead. team with your test All right. I have I have I'm Loudor I can hear you
Starting point is 02:16:09 I have NBA finals Fred Van Bleak okay I did clarify that uh Raptors goat
Starting point is 02:16:15 Vince Carter okay who's DeMardo Rosen uh what a fucking atrocious fit top
Starting point is 02:16:22 top three all time dude dude that card and Mark Ingram is so nasty how are they
Starting point is 02:16:27 gonna play this stupid ass tiby Gassalin needs the ball too who does What the fuck?
Starting point is 02:16:36 I have Brandon Yo, their defense is fried Holy shit See how come I was cooking Brandon Ingrid I have Brandon ready to go Ingram
Starting point is 02:16:47 And Mark Mr. Memphis Gassall Dude Mark is gonna be fighting For his life In the pain bro God damn Well Well listen
Starting point is 02:16:58 We decided to start doing these blind We wanted to inject some randomness God damn We got some randomness I have a manual quickly on my team Emmanuel quickly you might be the most random player I looked at it after I was done my team
Starting point is 02:17:08 I don't even think I made a bad pick I don't know who else think guys so maybe I end up doing the right choice but Jesus Christ their point guy room is not deep Let's wrap this up Damn Next thing we're going to do I'm going to show you two NBA teams
Starting point is 02:17:21 You let me know which one would win In one game seven One game seven One game seven which team is you know Win or go home Who are you taking? All right let's do it Five Allen Iversons or five Zach Edie's
Starting point is 02:17:34 it's five alan iversons and it's not close i don't think being seven five and having to play 48 minutes of basketball oh he's dead it's too much cardio i'm going with the alan iversons okay well let's say you have 15 of them let's say it's a bunch let's say the cardio is a factor you have the depth oh if i've okay then i'm going with zakiis oh so what's more likely is alan ivers are you going to get out and make zaki d'i run and i'm going to slow it down and they're just gonna fucking play volleyball over the Alan Iverson said he can't guard him yeah seven five yeah but at the same time too like Alan Iverson was in those passing lanes we're playing a zone I'm I'm one two three four we might go a box of one right we might go a box in one with Zach Edie's and you're
Starting point is 02:18:19 gonna have to beat us taking jump shots and I'm taking some five over six one post up all day but Alan Ars is athletic he might be able to squaring I'm taking Alan Iverson easy bro I'm taking this is that he can move his feet better than the average average big, but this is one of the quickest guards of all time. If it was Yao Ming, I think it would be easy because of it's Zach Edy and Alan Ierson is so talented and so athletic, I don't know. See, y'all forget what Zach Edy was doing at Purdue, almost won a national championship by himself, straight post-ups on six, eight guys.
Starting point is 02:18:49 And we saw with Sangu and Stephen Adams in the playoffs with those rebounds. We got five of those motherfuckers now. If Allen and Iverson misses one shot, the game's over. And guess what? He's not going to. Sounds like Zach Ead gets the victory. Next up, five Ben Simmons or five Clay Thompson's? Clay Thompson obviously has a shooting.
Starting point is 02:19:09 Prime. Everyone's in the prime. So Ben Simmons is going to shackle him. Clay Thompson can't dribble like that. The defense of Ben Simmons is crazy. But he can't shoot. You're right. Play time I, time off.
Starting point is 02:19:19 Question, is this game being played on an NBA floor or in an L.A. fitness gym? NBA floor. NBA, okay, L.A. Clay Thompson. Preseason NBA, though, so there's less pressure. He still did. He took one and everyone was like, oh, my God. They lost their mind, bro.
Starting point is 02:19:33 I'm going Clay Thompson. Yeah, I guess the shooting, I mean, about the five. The defense is ridiculous. It's crazy. It's like it straight locks everywhere. So I don't know how Clay will even need. He don't need any space to shoot, actually. Think about how much Clay Thompson runs.
Starting point is 02:19:48 Yeah, he has to run off ball. Five of them. Nobody drills. Everyone just runs off ball nonstop. Just five of them. They're spinning around. Duggy shots eventually. Clay Thompson got it.
Starting point is 02:19:57 Okay, it's Clay. Okay. Five Larry Birds or five Magic Johnsons. See, this question divided America in 1982 And I'm still not sure we have an answer I mean, if you want to go to the shooting route Obviously, Larry, the team Larry has more shooting The team magic though, that seems just fast
Starting point is 02:20:17 These are run in, they're just annoying I lean Larry Yeah, he does feel more all around In terms of the shooting Probably the better one-on-one defender, better rebounder Has the shooting can still pass Underrated Playmaker for sure But if it's 5 on 5 and Magic Johnson's passing is everywhere, that collective IQ, it's a hive mind.
Starting point is 02:20:39 Yeah, but he's passing to who? Magic Johnson again. That's not too bad. That's not that bad. Magic Johnson in the open court. He's 6'9. He's 6'9 for sure. You're right, but the finishing is there, but it's not like magic.
Starting point is 02:20:51 There's no disrespect to your magic. I just feel like Larry's team is more equipped and there's more to his game. More layers. That's charged. When it comes to Larry? What do you mean? How are they charged? The team Larry, they play the game the right way.
Starting point is 02:21:07 Larry has a bag. Magic does not have as much of a bag. Larry's sneaky athletic. He plays the game the right way. It's just more depth. He just thinks about the game a little bit more. Shut up. It's a more intelligent brand of basketball.
Starting point is 02:21:22 We're going, Magic Johnson. Carmelo Anthony's versus five Paul Georges. Carmelo Anthony birthed Paul George. What is that? man get the fuck out of here they all want to play like him it's carmelow that team of mellows is just like an a u team on a sunday bro much of japs hell of bag work jab steps no defense terrible ball movement i'm leaning towards a paul george easy do you think good basketball exists in aAU like no that's what it's about so i'm getting buckets and that's what five mellows will do
Starting point is 02:21:53 i'll promise you i think melo's obviously a better player but i five paul georgia game is probably more equipped to be cloned and when as a unit. You can sit down and ask Paul George to be a point guard, spot up shooter. You can ask him to be the best defender and also get rebounds. When it comes to Melo, hey man, he can you get rebounds? Yeah, for sure.
Starting point is 02:22:15 Absolutely. You're going to have to. What else? There's going to be five when we're trying to get rebounds because they can't do shit else. What do you mean? They'll be telling each other get the fuck out of here and they're going to fight each other on the court. Do you think Paul George can lock up Carmelo and Anthony? No, not lock up. He'll do a better job in several over chance than No.
Starting point is 02:22:30 That's true. Mello has a sense of Paul George. He can defend Mello a lot better than Melo can defend Paul George. Yeah. That's probably true. Now that doesn't matter in like a one-on-one, like actual NBA debate. Yeah. It probably matters.
Starting point is 02:22:41 I'm going Mellow. Surprise, surprise. You're watching the most irritating brand of basketball. A five of them. No, five of them? That's like it exacerbates all the weaknesses. Five of them would be crazy. That'd be horrible.
Starting point is 02:22:52 Like there might, Melo might be the biggest golf between how good he is with one of him versus how good there is with five of him. That might be the biggest difference. Now we're in disrespectful. No, like, does a style of play work when there's four people to compliment him? Not when there's five of him. Oh, shit, man. Sainty's the worst and it's like when there's...
Starting point is 02:23:08 Sure, sure. I'm not going to say that. Sure, sure. Like five Ben Simmons were, so I mean among good players. But okay, we can go Paul George. Come on now. Five James Hardens versus five Tracy McGrady's. Graphics wrong, but it's supposed to be James Hardin versus Tracy McGrady.
Starting point is 02:23:21 It's Team Mac. We said in a game seven who's going to win. And now you got five guys who don't want to be on the floor. This is Tracy McGrady. That is you. I didn't think about the game. Okay, okay. We're not going to act
Starting point is 02:23:31 by Tracy McGrady has some vaunted playoff career. He is right. When it comes the most disappointing players in the playoffs, hey, team.
Starting point is 02:23:37 James Harder is literally number one. He might be number two. Chase McGregnie. He's going to be number one. Okay. Team Max reaching for the batons. So number one is going to choke more than number two.
Starting point is 02:23:45 Timak might be number one. No, he's not. He's not, he's not a bigger choker than James Harder. Yeah, James Harder shook on bigger stages, but he's gone to the stages. Team Mac can't even get our chance to.
Starting point is 02:23:58 Team Mac is being led by Doc Rivers. Fair enough. So is James Hardin. Doc on Doc action. I'm Tracy McGrady's bigger. Probably a better off ball player. It's fair to go Tracy McGrady. I got Hardin.
Starting point is 02:24:10 Much better off ball. He can't guard the post. Shit. You can get no rebounds like Hardin either. I'm taking Hardin. All right. Five Rudy Goberts versus five Patrick Beverly. Rudy Gobert can't catch the ball.
Starting point is 02:24:22 So if he passes to each other, it's going out of balance. I'm going Pat Bev. Do the amount of times that Pat Bev is going to push. around and trying to bitch Rudy's going to be hilarious. I just got Pat Bev's too. This would be the worst game anybody's ever seen. I'd rather watch 13-year-old play basketball than watch this game going. This would be hilarious.
Starting point is 02:24:40 Actually, no, I'm going to Rudy Gobert. It's just, it's too much size. How the fuck is Pat Bev going to score? You're right. It's a lot of size, but how is, just like you said that, how is Rudy Gobert going to score? Offensive rebounds and putbacks. There's no way Pat Bev is going to score one-on-one when he has Rudy Gobert and three of them behind him to rotate.
Starting point is 02:24:58 Dude. Pat Bev is going to get so long. Rudy O'Berry's going to look so uncoordinated, but there's been moments in Pat Bev's career where he's got out, dropped like 40, and he's like, listen, I got this bad word, but I choose to do it. Maybe he, maybe he does that. Drop 40, where, Tel Aviv?
Starting point is 02:25:16 Does he have a 40 point game in the NBA? Yeah. I can't remember how many. It was in, uh, in Philly. His career has 40? Didn't, Philly like 20-2, Philly? Didn't he have like a 40-point game? I might be just, I might be forgetting. At that stage of his career, I don't remember that. No, because remember, there was a time where...
Starting point is 02:25:31 You're right. I think his career has, like, 30 something. I feel like I vividly remember 40. I might just be lying, bro. That's a wild dream. I'm pulling up the game logs now. You were on shrooms, bro. I'm going 21, 22.
Starting point is 02:25:44 No way. Pat Bev, career high. What is that looking like? I can't tell because Google's fucking horrible now and I'm seeing it's AI. His career high and NBA points is 26. Wait. Oh, wait. You're right.
Starting point is 02:25:58 This is fucking horrible. That's 30. It is 26. It's 26 in Philadelphia versus Boston. But outside of the NBA. You know what you're thinking? It was 38 minutes. 26 points.
Starting point is 02:26:05 That's a minute. He just be out there for a long time. I'm like, dang, man. Look, it's 26 points of 38 minutes. Oh, shit. See, that's a stupid way of putting the numbers. But that's a lame. Game of 40?
Starting point is 02:26:21 In what world, bro? Holy shit. Brutigo Bear wins. He had a game. I guess he was just who about, like, yo. See? Pat Bev Pat Bev 40 minutes
Starting point is 02:26:31 Pat Bev 40 minutes That's a recession indicator That's insane I can't believe I put a 40 40 piece on his career Yeah that's like One of the most insane lies You've ever told, bro
Starting point is 02:26:46 40 points by patching Bev We almost believe his stupid ass 40 That's a crazy lie We got to kill him with hammers He can't breathe. He's so flabbergasted. I was like, whoa.
Starting point is 02:27:03 Slow your own, buddy. Malachi Flynn has scored 50 in an NBA game. Yeah, that's believable. If you tell me anybody in the world has scored 40 in an NBA game, I would say, okay. Like, yeah. Except for Patrick Petherly. I can't breathe, bro. 40?
Starting point is 02:27:18 Five step curries versus five Dramon Greens. Oh, five steps easy, bro. Five Dremont Green's is shackles, though. That's kind of crazy. Was that making out of life? Oh yeah, we also got we got headlocks The screen He knows
Starting point is 02:27:32 He wouldn't touch that lights game man You're right He might Yeah all five them They're hive mind connected They would know they They would hate discreet stuff Curry
Starting point is 02:27:38 Can you guys some morals They know that In another life You can't touch him The gravity that one step provides Is already breaking the game Of basketball But having five of them
Starting point is 02:27:48 Is Oh my God So you're saying Dremont Green respect Steph Curry too much To even try He'd lay down his weapons Yeah
Starting point is 02:27:54 Probably Damn That's what I'm saying Listen, everyone, you know where the money's made. Lamello balls versus five Gilbert Arenas. You remember earlier when you said the biggest gap between having how good and having five of you are, that's lamello balls. Facts. Five lamellos would be absolute nonsense.
Starting point is 02:28:13 This is AAU basketball to its core. But the five gills might start getting mad at each other. It might not go too well. Yeah, but five lamellos would be the best player. You have four gills. You have to watch one gill cook. That's not going to go well. No, no.
Starting point is 02:28:26 This is the best team Mello has ever played with, bro. Five of hims. It's going to look like the last scene in Kingsman in that locker room after. Defense is fried. I'm definitely going with Gilbert Rinas. This is just disgusting.
Starting point is 02:28:42 I don't even know what's this problem? I haven't watched the new the Netflix doc that was telling the story, but like, that's insane. You brought guns to the locker room. What is, What are you on right now?
Starting point is 02:28:57 That's crazy, though. That's hilarious. He says, shoot me. Next thing we're going to do. We've talked a lot over the years about NBA logos and how some are better now, some are better back then than a lot of old versus new. Today, we are going to put every 90s NBA logo into a tier list. I went to 1996, the year they expanded to Vancouver in Toronto,
Starting point is 02:29:20 and we got every single logo from that year, and we're going to put them into a tier list. Eighth, S through F, how good they are. I love this. Now, some of these pictures got cut off, but you guys know how they look. Okay. Let's start off by doing some of the easy ones that are, actually no.
Starting point is 02:29:33 Let's start off. Let's do the expansion teams. Toronto, where are you putting the Raptors logo? I mean, this is S-tier. This is one of... The best logos of all time. Yes. Easy.
Starting point is 02:29:42 Hands down. They came into the league like this. They joined up and immediately had the most awesome the entire league. That's hard. That's hard to do. That's pressure. 26 cities got flexed on by Canada. Day one.
Starting point is 02:29:53 Oh, my God. Never again. Generational. Now, was the Encore product that was good? No, but they weren't fresh to death. And then we got the Vancouver Grizzlies who also joined the same year. Again, the same thing. That's tier one of the greatest logos of all right.
Starting point is 02:30:06 Hey, Canada came in crazy. Those are two, like, to this day, people are longing for the aura of those logos. Like, the throwbacks these days are constantly trying to catch that high again. And this is how they started. Insane. And sadly, nobody will ever cast a high that they hit. Now, let's do some of the easy ones that are still the same as they are today. 76ers.
Starting point is 02:30:26 Um, I'll go see exactly. It's like a regular logo. Yeah, it's a very basic classic logo. Nothing crazy, but it's good. Yeah. Actually, I don't know. Nah, kind of is a pretty good classic logo. Maybe it's B. It's, I don't know about B. I do feel like there are other logos that's above that. But we can move it. Another one that's still the same Indiana Pacers. This one actually, see, maybe. I'm going D. I don't think it's amazing. I don't think it's a particularly good logo either. It's completely fine. Okay. Yeah, I am going to. I definitely think the 76ers logo is a logo is strong. I'm going to. I definitely think the 76ers logo is. stronger. Oh, easily. You're right. So that's fair. Those are different tiers to me. Okay. Sacramento Kings. Same logo. I think that's B. Oh, eight. Hold on. It's hard to. I don't, I don't think it's a bad logo. It's a very good logo. It has character. You know, the Kings implies some regalness, some weapons, some medieval looks at it. And they have the crown on there. They have some like swords in the back, a good typeface. Sounds like a solid B. We can go B. I feel, I think it's better than the Sixers one. Apparently I just love the Sixers one, because I don't, but I think it's fine if you guys want to go B.
Starting point is 02:31:28 Yeah. Okay. What about the Celtics? They had this logo that's the same, but it's like black and white back then. See, you need more color in this one. And so for that reason, I'm going to drop it to B. It's a sign of the times. We put more color into Lucky over the years.
Starting point is 02:31:41 Yeah. Makes sense. Oh, checks out. Oh, oh, oh. Where we're going with black and white, Lucky? I put them in D. D? What did you say?
Starting point is 02:31:54 I said B. Sounds like C. right in the middle. There we go. Actually, that's a good logo. We've got to go B. It's a Celtics logo. It's a good logo.
Starting point is 02:32:02 Okay, now let's go back to one that's from the 90s. What do we want to do with the Atlanta Hawks? That's a fire logo. It's a great logo. It's an easy logo. This is the first year to switch to it
Starting point is 02:32:11 1996. Before this, they had the one they have now. So again, 1996 came around and all these teams got their swag up, got all the graphics up. I like it. We're going, we're going to,
Starting point is 02:32:22 again, it's not as, this one is not as timeless as the, the rafters or as the grizzlies in terms of like people wanting to get it but for this era and even now it's like yes you are doing the thing you have personality I know I can clearly see that you are a hawk yeah but like I like that have you ever seen a starter jacket with this logo across the chest it's amazing coming out of both sides platinum back in the wide angle across the chest like layered across your collarbone I don't know about that platinum row it's way better
Starting point is 02:32:51 on clothes and it is on a jersey yes and that like that means something got a versatile logo Like the 76ers logo is good on a jersey It doesn't go crazy on clothes Yeah, I agree Or is that, is that wrong? No, I think you're right. It does. It's simple enough to wear it like
Starting point is 02:33:07 You can put it on clothes And it doesn't overtake wherever you're wearing But it can it can amplify it. What about the Golden State Warriors? This logo is kind of ass This logo looks classic as hell This looks like it's more from the 70s than it is from the 90s
Starting point is 02:33:22 Out of all the logos that we have here I think it's clearly one of the worst. Yeah, I think it's D or F. I'm going to be. Me personally, I'm comfortable putting it in F, it'd be your first F. For sure.
Starting point is 02:33:33 I don't know if we'll go D, but actually, is there It might be movable. Okay, we can put it in D for now. We'll go D. I think, I don't know, I guess it's, it looks like Western-like, so I guess it's supposed to be like the gold rush back in the day,
Starting point is 02:33:44 like origin of the golden state. So I guess that's fine. There's so many, yeah, there's so many other ways to make that same idea better. It's like this Pakesbill logo. I don't like it. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:33:54 They just took their rough, their rough draft ran with it. Yeah. Maybe it was like nice and simplistic back then. It aged horribly to me. Yeah. And we also know that they have like the greatest logo.
Starting point is 02:34:04 One of the greatest logos in all the time coming soon after this in their modern day logo and even the one with the Warriors pretty good. So it pales in comparison. True. What's next? The Seattle Supersonics. And this is the year they changed to this branding before. Before this it was the green and yellow.
Starting point is 02:34:19 They didn't have the red. And they added this RIP. This really big typeface. They have the tower on it. That's fire as full. The dark green. I'm putting this in it. might go s slow down i don't know graph the wall no but a a is fine it can't be s but a
Starting point is 02:34:33 is a hundred percent dessert it's it's also like the hawks where you could put this on some clothing it goes it goes yeah and the jerseys were good too like the the color scheme is really nice with the dark green and the red and the little yellow a is the minimum i think but s feels a bit much when the mavericks move right out of out of dallas if they go to if they go to seattle discussion I hope they bring back the Sonics in this color. Cooper flag, you're going to look glorious and dark green. He's going to save Seattle hoops. What about the Denver Nuggets?
Starting point is 02:35:04 They had the classic logo from the Mello era that we grew up with, but it's in the darker color. It's not the baby blue. I feel like this is one where it looks good on the jersey, but the logo isn't great. Yeah, it looks ugly and dull when you're looking at like this, but it works on the jersey. So it's pretty like, it feels more Denver, I think, because like the Nuggets, it has a little like slight gold in there. It feels rugged. It feels outdoorsy like Denver is. So I don't think it's terrible
Starting point is 02:35:28 Sounds like a C to me Yeah Again I just like the 76ers logo I guess So I'd look at it side by side And I'd rather have Philly But that's definitely a C logo Yeah It's completely okay
Starting point is 02:35:38 Bulls Same as it's always been S tier Yeah Yeah Some of these logos And get dinged for being boring Being the same
Starting point is 02:35:48 You never got changed the Bulls logo It's the best one in the NBA Lakers Pretty much the same But the purple appears lighter. Then it doesn't hit the same. But I,
Starting point is 02:36:00 it's a REST to me again. We have to put it in the same tier as the Celtics one where it's a, it's a solid logo. It's good. There's slight changes to it. But overall, it's still better than some of the other ones. Yeah,
Starting point is 02:36:10 the Lakers logo is obviously so iconic. The colors are good. But it's not like some breathtaking logo on its own. It's just because of who it's associated with. You glance at this. You think Magic Johnson. You don't glance at this and think, whoa, graphic design is their passion.
Starting point is 02:36:23 It's not amazing. Exactly. Okay. It's hard to detach that. You know, some of these logos you think about certain things. You got to look at it just off the merit of the design.
Starting point is 02:36:31 All right. What about the Brooklyn Nets? We got this one with the gradient in it. This is so 1990s. Oh, fucking ass. Holy shit. Yeah, this is the worst of the 90s. Put this in the fastest way possible.
Starting point is 02:36:41 It's a lot going on. The gradient, it just looks like the Captain America Popsicle. Exactly. Back in the day. I was just about to say it's melting to as well. It's been out for 15 minutes. Now, the jerseys that go with that,
Starting point is 02:36:51 stupendous. But making the actual logo gradient is bullshit. Slow down. That is crazy. That looks so bad. Too much dip under shit. And that's everything wrong with the 90s. Some things we look back from 90s design and we're like, well, those bright colors
Starting point is 02:37:04 look so good, so much character. Sometimes you're like, what the fuck were they cooking, calm down? Sometimes you're like, oh, maybe we do need minimalism in that and graphic design. Yeah. It's just, it's too bright. It's too much. It literally looks like a popsicle. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:37:19 That's the only thing I can think of. What are you guys don't do with the Miami Heat? Same logo, but it's orange instead of red. I also putting them in F tier. I don't like the orange. I don't like this color of orange. I think it looks white hot. No.
Starting point is 02:37:32 I like it. It's kind of fire to me. It looks more like a flame. I low key might like it. No, I like the one that did it in between this one and the modern one where it's like red with white. They don't have the yellow. But this is so strong to me.
Starting point is 02:37:43 It can't be F. Yeah. I think it belongs in either. I think it belongs in C for me personally. But if you want to vote for D, I'm okay with that. I'll work on C then. If that's the range, I'm going as high as we can. I think it's a great logo.
Starting point is 02:37:54 I don't even, I thought we were talking about it. B. It's the heat. It's a flaming ball. It's dope. I just don't like the color. Ah, okay. Dallas Mavericks. It's cut off in this graphic, but it's the M with the cowboy hat and the green ball behind it. One of the only top, actually, their logo has pretty, the logo's been strong consistently. The jerseys have always sucked. I don't like it. What? I don't mind this. Oh, okay. I don't love it. You guys like it. I like it. Me personally, I think it's one of the stronger simplistic logos here. And I think it might be. belong in B for me. I think we can go see because it gives a little bit of personality with the cowboy hat.
Starting point is 02:38:31 Yes. I feel like that's crazy. It reminds me so much of that Golden State Warriors one that we have in D. I feel like the Lakers and Celtics is like so much better. I don't know about so much better. No, the Warriors is kind of boring where like...
Starting point is 02:38:45 I'm okay with it being in C actually because you're right. It doesn't belong in the same tier as the rest of you guys. I can't go that far. But the cowboy hat's cool. But outside of that, that's what I think separates it from just a basketball and a P and just a regular like yellow basketball yeah you know okay she's fine then
Starting point is 02:39:02 if that separates it one tier above feels adequate okay Detroit Pistons same ass logo right very classic but it's a good logo it's a very good classic logo that's what stood the test of time they brought it back for a reason sound like sounds like it might be a B is it a B is it a A yeah yeah all these classic logos are going B can be a that feels fine B yeah okay spurs they have the same logo, but they had the fiesta colors. I love this. The fiesta colors are amazing. I'm putting this in A. I'm the S could be in the cards. It's in contention. And it might be by the end of this video. I'm willing to hear arguments for S. I don't think it's crazy if either one who you feel that way, but A is the minimum. I agree. I don't have an argument for S. Just you know what? Let's go
Starting point is 02:39:45 let's go S. The colors are really strong. And that feels like we got to think about like the spirit of the 90s too, like for the era. This is like so good. Everyone in the 90s love these bright colors. And this one works It doesn't look goofy today And it's also very interesting Because they had these colors And the jerseys were still black and white And so like you have these black and white jerseys
Starting point is 02:40:05 Everything else color on them It's a very nice accent And a very nice way of incorporating different things But keeping the main thing The main thing We gotta put this at us And you want to talk about starter jackets Back of the day
Starting point is 02:40:16 Fiesta colored jackets are crazy Starter jacket Extraordinary I see it on it here. I see the Charlotte Hornets. Okay. Where do you want to go with the Charlotte Hornets? That's S-T. Oh, easy S-T as well. I'm going to talk about the 90s. They're
Starting point is 02:40:32 very much in that same conversation with the spurs, the Grizzies, and all that. Yeah. Again, they as a team were more popular for their logo being used in fashion than they wore for playing basketball. And it wasn't even close. They were a phenom strictly for the colors and strictly for how cool the jackets look.
Starting point is 02:40:48 I agree. There's no other team in the NBA that could say, yeah, you have more based off of your colors and your mascot and your logo overall than anything else. No what it is. It's similar to how the Bulls were in the 2010s in the swag era
Starting point is 02:41:01 when everybody had the Bulls snapbacks and the Jordans that are black and red. That's how the Hornets were in the 90s. Yeah. They put out Jordan 5's grape color way strictly for the Hornet's color because they're popular. Hey man, and they went.
Starting point is 02:41:12 They're crazy. And they went. Jordan ate Aquas? Now has Jordan ever had anything close to relation to that color in any teams that played for? Fuck no. The colors were just that popular in the 90s.
Starting point is 02:41:22 Had to do it. And they're hard as hell. Okay Washington bullets Man this is not a fantastic Why are guns not on the logo Why is there no blix in this logo Yeah
Starting point is 02:41:37 I want to give this an F F It's cut off right now But it says bullets I know what yeah I know the I know the L I know what they're going for Yeah
Starting point is 02:41:48 But again Oh the Ls are hands Their hands looking up Touching for a rebound I don't see a suit But it's the You don't see a switch, if I look at this team, if I show this team to a 10-year-old,
Starting point is 02:41:58 out of all these logo, they're going to be like, this is the most forgetable one because it just doesn't mean anything. No magazines and sites, no holo tips. No scopes. Yeah, I mean, it has nothing to do with the branding.
Starting point is 02:42:11 Now, when it says bullets, why were they called that? I don't actually don't know. It was like bullet trains? Clearly it's not guns. No one knows the history of Washington, bro. Somebody does. Let us know in the comments.
Starting point is 02:42:20 We're sleeping. I don't know why they're called that. We can go deep. New York Knicks Same logo But it has that black drop shadow The color's a little different They have the gray in the background
Starting point is 02:42:29 A or S easy Easy go for me I can't go S But I can go A This this logo just feels so Like it just It just It's the NBA to me damn near
Starting point is 02:42:41 Yeah You're doing too much Look at him He's getting excited So this look no I was looking I was looking at why the bullets was So I heard you
Starting point is 02:42:48 I thought you You were talking mess But yes This is emblematic Of the entire And we do represent everybody. We can't put this in us. We can go A, I think.
Starting point is 02:42:57 Do you want to go S or A? I'm going to go A. There we go. S is too much for me. S is too much for me, but I'm cool with A if you are. Okay, so in 1946, the Baltimore franchise was nicknamed Bullets after a nearby ammunition foundry.
Starting point is 02:43:11 So that's not good, bro. Baltimore? It is off of straight bullets. What year did they change to the Wizards? Is it? Was it like around the war on terror? Why did they do that? They changed.
Starting point is 02:43:23 to do they change to the wizard after columbine? No. That would be hilarious. That would be crazy. But they did change it because they wanted to get away from like violence. Yes. I'm sure there was an event. I'm sure there was an event.
Starting point is 02:43:38 What year was it? In 1997, they rebranded as the wizard. What year was Columbine? Because that's when school shootings got on the map. That was like, this is a freaking thing to talk about. That's insane. Crazy combo. I bet they were motivated to.
Starting point is 02:43:50 Saying on the map for that also was. That's what I answered the natural conversation. That's when gun rights became an issue. What's the next logo? The Milwaukee Bucks. I also love this. Purple. If you are in S tier, you are a starter jacket All Star.
Starting point is 02:44:09 And I do think that the Milwaukee Bucks in this logo is up there. Yeah, the purple one is cooler than the red one, I think. Really? I think the red one might be cooler. Actually, I don't know. Am I lying? Is it? I think the red one sticks out a lot more.
Starting point is 02:44:22 I'm just thinking of the jerseys for the purple. Maybe the red's better for the logo. You're right, you're right, you're right. But this is logos only, no jerseys. The jerseys are hard. Logos only, I think this might be a A. I'll go ahead. I'm cool with A.
Starting point is 02:44:35 I'm cool with A. But like, yeah, it's not one of, actually, it's not one of the defining 90s logos, but it is as high as you can get. I feel like maybe we've talked shit about this logo before, about how the new one is way cooler. How this is Bambi and the new one is like ferocious. I don't think I said that though. Maybe I did. I've said a lot.
Starting point is 02:44:52 You said a lot of things. I've said a lot. We'll go B. Yeah, I think B is probably fine. Just to preface myself. Clippers. F. This logo is just such a great value version of the Lakers one.
Starting point is 02:45:04 I can't believe they had this for so long. Looking back, it's comical that you join a city and you make a shittier version of the logo they have to the T. F. It's quite embarrassing. I thank God they have a logo of personality now. Did they keep the same logo until like 2013? Yes.
Starting point is 02:45:19 2015 or 17 or something like that? Yeah. Heather for a long time and it was asked the whole time. Yeah. It's one of the reasons why their organization is so damning probably.
Starting point is 02:45:29 No creativity in sight just embracing the Little Brother syndrome. The Orlando Magic. Now the logo doesn't feel amazing. Now the jerseys and everything around it.
Starting point is 02:45:40 This again, Starter Jacket All Star. Yeah. But it's the Star jacket all star because of the they have like the stars and the outside and stuff like that and the branding around
Starting point is 02:45:50 is really good. The logo is just like a tightest. face it gets better eventually but right here it's kind of incoherent are we putting c for the logo i think we can go b because the stars and the branding is so good but it like it would be i mean they took it and ran with it yeah it would be s tier if if the logo itself matched everything we know to be existing around it so i feel like b's fine i'm fine with b okay phoenix suns it's like super neon in this one like another a to me man yeah it's basically the same logo but you actually just typed out the the team's name underneath it's
Starting point is 02:46:21 I like this this is not again the comment is fire the purple behind that is elite Phoenix suns right under that I think this is A could argue me yes yeah I think A's cool yeah you get that purple background the bright orange nice contrast
Starting point is 02:46:37 Hey it works for me the Cleveland Cavaliers You guys know I've said it before I hate this era branding for the Cavs but some people like it Some people like the black and blue not me I like I like the colors of it I don't think that that the actual logo is great. That logo
Starting point is 02:46:51 with just like the basket, like splashing. That's, that's like Microsoft Word. Yeah. I put this in D,
Starting point is 02:46:57 right? Yeah. This is a act of creativity. It's not good at all. If you like the jersey is because the blue
Starting point is 02:47:01 with the arches looks really cool and you can see the contrast. And I like that. The logo itself, I think is quite trash. I would do F personally,
Starting point is 02:47:08 but maybe I'm biased. No. Okay. That's too much. Yeah. Utah Jazz. I'm putting them in F. I think if you just,
Starting point is 02:47:17 if you just write them, if you just write them, If you just write your name out So do you like it more When later they made it smaller And it's just the J? Because you know it's the J with the music note They still have that
Starting point is 02:47:29 Yeah, it's just cut out It's still on there It's only your music note It's just purple This can't be F You're right, I'm tripping You can say C Bermudaum if you want to me
Starting point is 02:47:37 I think that's fine Yeah, it's solid branding It is definitely one of the better logos It's like right above being mid But see it's not the mountain logo That was better They switch to this and it's worse So I think C is probably okay
Starting point is 02:47:48 Yeah, we'll go see The music note is nice It's not today when it's just fucking black and white And it's horrible So it's better than that Houston Rockets This is S tier This is S tier
Starting point is 02:48:00 This is S tier This logo is easy S tier Okay you guys You guys like the spaceship Yes This is something that they need They need to go back to They've been back to it with their ultimates right
Starting point is 02:48:11 I'm saying full time All time Yeah Okay Blazers is exactly the same as it always has been F F Just not good at all
Starting point is 02:48:20 The jerseys are very nice I like the logo It's just written out blazers Yeah there's some stroke behind it too It has that little symbol I'm still there In the 90s one Oh
Starting point is 02:48:29 I think so No not I don't think in this one Oh But they definitely use that logo back then didn't they I don't know I'm not sure If it's in general If it has
Starting point is 02:48:41 If it has the little thing It can be in B tier Maybe C tier We'll just go see to be safe I'm pretty sure they use that logo in 1996. In 96? Yeah, I'm pretty sure they did. But it's just like a part of it.
Starting point is 02:48:54 It's not like intertwined. Yeah, but you know, they have smaller versions where they use just that. This is just the, we pool from this website. Yeah, I think this is a solid C tier. Yeah. Okay. Last but not least, we're at the Minnesota Timberwolves. Hard.
Starting point is 02:49:08 A tier. Now, the color's amazing. Jersey is amazing. Does the logo hold up? Yes, it does. Yes, it is. And maybe I am biased because I've seen. Anthony Edwards wear this logo
Starting point is 02:49:19 in a throwback jersey Oh you got the ant or attacks He could have said any player You could have said Nasree McKele-Alexander Walker They're not the best player on the team Like The A-C shut off right when that happens
Starting point is 02:49:33 So it got deathly clients So we're going Somewhere between S&B I'm leaning towards A right in the middle Yes Is it on? That's why I'm going If it's A that means
Starting point is 02:49:45 It's the worst logo on A We can go B if you feel I think it might sit better on No Is it better than the B's logo? Yes Ooh no I lost you on that one I think it's B
Starting point is 02:49:55 I see that's a tough conversation Yeah It's B it's probably B The jerse is amazing The logo itself All right Wolf is kind of bitch made The one today's
Starting point is 02:50:03 A lot cooler I think Yeah But the colors are strong You got Colors are strong But okay This is a nice little spread S tier we got the Raptors
Starting point is 02:50:10 Grizzlies Bulls spurs Hornets and Rockets That feels fair to me That feels like a good Top tier Yeah I like that.
Starting point is 02:50:18 Is this a perfect tier list? I think it's another TV perfect tier list. Oh my God. All we do is cook. All right. Look it's all. Next thing we're going to do, let's do a 2025 NBA mock draft. You know, the lottery just happened.
Starting point is 02:50:35 And it's on top of conversation. Everyone's thinking, obviously, Cooper Flag is a Dallas Maverick. What about after that? Lots of talk around what the Spurs are going to do it to, what Philly's going to do to try to retort I guess with Dwell and Bede. We're going to go 1 through 10 and we're going to do a mock draft of what we think these teams will do
Starting point is 02:50:51 at this point in the cycle when it's May 15th and we don't really know shit about what teams are thinking it's just off of what we would assume if we were in their shoes. Who wants number one pick? I'll take one.
Starting point is 02:51:00 Okay, you got one. Mo, you got two, I got three and we'll cycle through and so everybody picks. All right, go ahead. Who is the number one pick in the 2025 NBA draft? It is Dillett.
Starting point is 02:51:10 Cooper Flag is the number one overall pick in this draft. Yep, that's an easy one. Obviously, Dallas Mavericks got blessed. They're not going to do something stupid. They're going to take them. They've already reported. We are taking Coole flag and we're not
Starting point is 02:51:20 listening to any trade offers for it. Let me be clear. We're taking Cooper flag. That's hilarious. Okay. Obama voice is quick. Well, who's number two? With the number two overall pick in the 2025 NBA draft, the San Antonio Spurs select
Starting point is 02:51:40 we'll later trade. Dylan Harper. Yeah. Obviously, if you honest request to trade, maybe they end up trading it. If they stick here, they should take Harper and not look back. Everyone,
Starting point is 02:51:52 some people, some fans are like, oh, we need a small forward. Pick Ace Bailey. Shut up. Yeah, no. Pick the star.
Starting point is 02:51:58 Yeah, exactly. The spurs are in note, well, they are in position, but really, I think this is the worst thing to do in the NBA. Always go for talent
Starting point is 02:52:04 in the NBA draft. Now, when they pick him, pick him, I've seen reports that they think they can play him, Fox,
Starting point is 02:52:10 and Castle with the 3. Yuck. I think that would be bullshit, so you've got to figure it out later. At some point, they got to make a roster that makes sense and get some good wings in here
Starting point is 02:52:17 but I think you're much better off picking Harper and deciding who you got to trade later than trying to find that wing just for the sake of finding them. Exactly. I agree. If there was like another clear cut guy
Starting point is 02:52:27 on the same level of Harper that you could say it's preference positionally he's just as good, fine. I think Harper is like in the same way flag is clearly number one Harper's clearly number two I think.
Starting point is 02:52:37 Yeah, that's an easy conversation. Number three, I'm gonna I'm gonna go Ace Bailey here. Okay. It sounded like you didn't want to go I didn't really want to, but I think if there's ever a situation to get the best of him, I think it's playing off of Tyrese, Joelle Embed, and Jerry McCain, let him do role player stuff and be the 3-and-D guy and slowly grow into his skills, not fall into his bad habits.
Starting point is 02:52:59 I think it's good for him. I think putting him in Philly with Paul George and having Bucky Gitter next to, you know, perceive people's goats. Yeah. And having all that, that is a great situation. Yeah, he needs to be in a place where he can learn good habits and not be on like the hornetter. where he can just chuck and I think this would be really good for him. I agree. Ace Bay can do a lot of at times foolishness on the basketball court when he has too much
Starting point is 02:53:23 to too much responsibility and freedom and this team right here. Everything's already made in Philly. They're a fake lottery team, of course. Having him in a place to where he can only do one or two things on the basketball court and that's it is perfect for his development. Exactly. I think it's best for all wings for the most part to start off his role players and expand unless you're like some elite prospect that's like obviously going to be a star day one.
Starting point is 02:53:45 but for the most part, for wings that have like flashes but aren't a guarantee and you have some questions, starting with the most minimal role possible and you're running from there is always the best. Donovan, who's number four? Who are the Charlotte Hornets taking? The Charlotte Hornets are taking VJ Edgeco. This feels like the safest pick in the entire draft. This feels like a guarantee.
Starting point is 02:54:03 Yes, and to go in there and just say, athlete, let's go. Let's have some fun. Even if everything, once again, gets taken down to the studs because of injuries or just whatever, at least you're going to have some fun, right? VJ. Ascom can do a lot of things, but he can jump. He feels like a seamless fit alongside Lamello and Brandon Miller. A lot of people are a huge swing factor for VJ is his ability to score on the ball consistently, but one of his, like, underrated strengths is the ability to be off ball
Starting point is 02:54:36 and is off the, or his on ball just shooting, cutting and all that. So having a super, a hyper athletic two guard right in between those two, who can thrive as an off ball guy is seamless. Yeah, we don't know if he's going to have the ball skills and the outside jump shots and come around to be like the star he can be as a potential to be. The best way to kind of hedge that and say if he's going to be a role player, where does he fit? Between Lamello and Brandon Miller is a perfect fit.
Starting point is 02:55:00 He can be a great on-ball defender, be the athletic two, be your super Avery Bradley type of guy between them. I would love that. Exactly. So rolling into the fifth pick, the Utah Jazz. Now this is where there's a, the job is all up in the air. Yeah, and I don't know who you're going to pick. I wrote down somebody, but I feel.
Starting point is 02:55:15 like there's a good chance you wrote somebody else yeah so with the utah jazz they're looking for fucking star studded talent at this point in time that's what they're looking for but right now there's no one in my mind who screams to that position so far and because of that with the fifth overall pick the utah jazz are selecting con canipal oh yeah i didn't expect that selection because they feel really good about isaiah collier obviously like i don't know if i if they had number two or number one, Isaiah Collar is not good enough to, you know, good enough of a player to not choose
Starting point is 02:55:46 another point guard above, which is Dylan Harper. But Khan is someone who can solidify that two spot. He is a great positional defender. He can do all the things offensively, which is what they devoid of, which they need buckets. He's a great three-point shooter.
Starting point is 02:56:02 He has on-ball chops that he wasn't allowed to show off in Duke at all. I think he's a good solidifying piece. They need foundational pieces, and I think he is that. He's the safest pick. Like, he's going to be a good shooter. Like, he's going to be a good, a 3-and-D, for lack of a better word, off-ball player. Like, that's, that feels like a very high floor for him.
Starting point is 02:56:19 So that's cool. If you don't feel confident, the guys below him, go for the guy, you know it would be good. And they need all the good players they can't afford any misses right now. Yeah, they can't miss at all. It has to be a player that's at least good for a long time. Yeah, they already, we feel certain ways about Kiante, George, J-Dub's brother. I forget his name already, bro. Cody, yikes, man.
Starting point is 02:56:38 There's just a lot of suspect prospects going on over. there and con it will at least help stabilize things okay i was going to pick malle wash for the washington wizards but you let this guy fall so i think they had to pick tray johnson i thought he was going to go five trey johnson if he's here they don't have guards that are so solidified that like you have to build around them i think he's the highest upside left right now as a six-six guy who could potentially be a three-level score if things go well easy pick for me okay wow nice that's so interesting they have a lot of they have jordan pool bob carrington And Kishon George, you're right.
Starting point is 02:57:13 That is not enough to... No, yeah, he can start over Kishon George. I would hope. Like, that's somebody he can easily take a starting job. That's not ridiculous. Shout out to Jordan Poole, but he's not stopping me from drafting a future... Yeah, and like, Trey Johnson's like a con. He's more of a two guard anyway, so he could play with Jordan Pooleck.
Starting point is 02:57:28 Yeah. All right. Number seven, the New Orleans Pelicans. They select Jeremiah Fears. Okay. You want a point guard in there. Yes, you have, you have Zion. You have, you have Missy.
Starting point is 02:57:39 You have Olinig at your stretch. That's five. Your point guard situation, Dejante Murray coming off the Achilles, you had C.J. McCollum. He also got hurt. You need some scoring in your back court. Jeremiah Pierce can do that for you.
Starting point is 02:57:52 Yeah, this is another one of those, kind of like Trey Johnson, high ceiling swings at this point in the draft where they could pick a role player. They could pick Murray Boyles and pick someone that's going to be good for them for sure when they're trying to win or they can swing for the goddamn fences
Starting point is 02:58:04 because you don't know how many top 10 picks you're going to get. And if he hits, he obviously has insane potential with his dynamic ball handling. Wow. Okay, yeah, I agree with you. I agree with you. That would be crazy.
Starting point is 02:58:13 Not a crazy pick, but it feels like the right pick. Of course, swing factors are his jump shot and how reliable he's going to get able to get that three off. But I think easily they come in there not day one in a fill in a row, but I think in a few years, I can see him doing C. Jim McCallon type. I mean, he might, he literally might be able to and might have to. Every single year, somebody on the Pelicans gets hurt, Jeremiah Fears might be able to walk in day
Starting point is 02:58:37 one. I think I do, I think ideal world if they're healthy, Jeremiah fears. has zero role year one. I think they redshirted him like they did Rob Dillingham. And how many years have been ideal for the New Orleans? Not fucking many.
Starting point is 02:58:48 Okay. With the number eight overall pick the Brooklyn Net Select, come on, Mala Watch. Okay. I hate that he's going to Brooklyn, but I think the fit
Starting point is 02:58:58 makes sense simply because right now because they're finished right, Claxton to Los Angeles Lakers. Their trajectory is like, yo, we're trying to sell off and be as bad as possible.
Starting point is 02:59:07 And so, like, of course, Nick Clxton is still young. He's a Laker. He's in the middle of his contract. And I see no reason why the Brooklyn Nets would want to keep this young defensive study for any longer because they can get way more and replenish. From the Lakers.
Starting point is 02:59:23 Every single spot of the same. Preferably, I would like them to be higher and like swing for a pick that might be a star. But having some like Malabash just stabilizes everything. And I think he's a center with high ceiling in this league. Yeah. Well, okay. I think I had the Raptors taking either fears or Derek. queen but because the way this is falling at this point i think they have to pick casparis i think he's
Starting point is 02:59:46 the best player on the board i didn't expect him to fall if he's going to be here emmanuel quickly is not the long-term point guard they can take a swing there they love them some length some size that's a big point guard for them okay okay i guess that's another creator it's another creator to help take the load off of someone like um emmanuel quickly scottie barns and it's not the best fit in the world but they can't be drafting for fit i think he's the most dynamic player on the board if the three-point shot comes along and is and is reliable them yeah more positional size more playmaking even if it's a backup point guard you want to keep starting quickly he can go into that role i wanted them to get a big but if mallowash
Starting point is 03:00:19 isn't there i don't think they got to reach for one so i feel that's the best player there okay all right number 10 there's a there's a couple ways that that can go here i think for houston let's go get derrick queen okay i think i think you you look at the rockets and everyone says oh you're you know you need a go-to score you need somebody like that hey they're about to package up a whole bunch of their guys to potentially go get one of them their front court might be might be depleted and having right like you don't know the the the what your front court is going to look like whether it be with sangoon or stephen adams and all them guys why don't you go get another 610 big body who could be out there be athletic and you can still keep that
Starting point is 03:01:04 identity of having, you know, two bigs and being a very physical team in the front court and pair that with Devin Booker, and you'll be able to. No, Queen and Sengoon, you can see them fitting really well together, two smart passers. Like, both are like tweener size-wise when you got two of them. Maybe now you got versatility, especially if Queen's three-point shot is going to be there, he stretches the floor. I can see that. Yeah, I feel confident in Queens' three-point shot eventually scaling upwards because
Starting point is 03:01:31 he did shoot like 76 or 75% from the free throw line, which is obviously. He's a big indicator towards him and his ability to search the floor out being a real thing. That's a fine fit. I like that. Okay. Next thing we're going to do. I'm going to name several NBA stars from the course of history. And I want you to tell me what the best version of this player is.
Starting point is 03:01:51 So, you know, you can say a specific year, specific era, whatever you want. When you think of this player, what is the peak version of them that you think of? Okay. LeBron James, start with the easy one. This is 2012 or 2013. either one of those you don't buy the argument that it's 2018 because he was so smart and so next level from the IQ no no super soldier brain people there there were periods in like his cap stint where he literally took two weeks off right the defense wasn't 100% there now it wasn't it wasn't bad it wasn't the way that that it was in you know years later 2013 lebron is as efficient as you can be as as great of a of a passage you can be as great of a defense you can be as great of a defense Fender, versatile defender, and he's a DPI-Wi finalist. All of it.
Starting point is 03:02:37 This is, 2013 is the LeBron year. Oh, and also people act like he got smart in 2018. Also a genius in 2013. Yes. Yeah, I agree. In 2018, the only difference between that Brom versus this one is that 2018, LeBron, that was his best shooting year. Had that nasty square beard.
Starting point is 03:02:54 I hated that. All year. I was like, brother, please. Like a lumberjack. Like Amish. Please. Yeah. Miami Braun is.
Starting point is 03:03:03 next level. You could say 2009, Braun. You want to go to the one that's even more athletic, a little bit lighter. So he was flying through the sky.
Starting point is 03:03:11 But I don't know. He was so much more refined. The offball game was there. The defense was as good as ever been. The post-up game was better in 2013. Yeah. Eric Bolshe really knew how to use the defense specifically.
Starting point is 03:03:20 Maybe he could have done that in 2009 as well, but he didn't. So I feel fine going Miami. Okay. Steph Curry. Well, what comes to mind? Man. This is a tough,
Starting point is 03:03:31 this is legitimately a tough question. It's debatable. Very debatable. Yeah. So obviously, 2016 comes in mind immediately. That's when he won the MVP unanimously. Yeah. But then, of course, like, you can't avoid what happened back in 2021.
Starting point is 03:03:44 Yeah. Oh, 2022. Sorry, when he won the championship. That one-man carry job was insane. And that's something that we, like, that's something that everyone thought he wasn't able to do. Exactly. So, yes. It might be that one right there.
Starting point is 03:03:58 It's the one. So 2016 is one the best regular seasons of all time. one of the best scoring offensive years you could say the best offensive peak anybody's ever seen that's not crazy but 2022 he was more his game was more catered to caring
Starting point is 03:04:12 in the playoffs and that's kind of what matters and you're differentiating this type of things so I don't know just go ahead and say it I don't know what you want me to say he was more equipped
Starting point is 03:04:22 to just go get a bucket in 2020 he was he was he was he was he was stronger his he was stronger he went to the basket a lot more also he was never he was never a bad defender because of effort but in 2016 he was super light in 20 in 22 his team defense was even better because he got stronger and because he got
Starting point is 03:04:43 smarter and knew exactly where he needed to be at certain times so you can yeah you can say 22 okay so know what 2016 best regular season maybe ever so that's a better regular season player but 22 is clearly a better playoff player and that's what you play the game for you want to win championships when you're a player of his caliber so i think it's fine going 22 side note these Warriors jerseys with the pinstripe shorts. This is disgusting. This is a sleeved jersey. That's something that will make someone wear for punishment, bro.
Starting point is 03:05:09 Well, a sleeve jersey and then mismatching pinstripe shorts. What are we doing? Yeah, it's a crime. They thought they were cool. What are we doing? Kevin Durantz. This one is quite difficult, I think. You have MVP, 2014?
Starting point is 03:05:24 You do. It wasn't nearly the defender, but offensively he was fucking ludicrous. Then you do have like 2016, 2017, or 2017. 17, 18, when he, when his defense took, took up to another notch. I think he was in the conversation for all NBA teams, which is crazy. He was in defensive player of the year conversation's insane, but. The 2021, he was still defending crazy. His passing was so much better, so much higher IQ, the veteran stuff, was all there.
Starting point is 03:05:52 I guess the answer to 2017. It's probably the good mixture of both. But 2021 was dangerous. I might lean towards 2021 because. I think, I think the, the post-a-killy stuff, while he was the best we've ever seen recovering from it, he did have less of a burst that in 2017 he had, and he was still a good defender, that 2017 was just like a dynamo.
Starting point is 03:06:11 It was kind of the LeBron conversation where he's just insane. But the playmaking, though, in 21. He didn't have to playmaking. He probably could have in 2017. We didn't have to because he was just a missile. Well, no, he, I mean, everybody got hurt in the playoff run, and he was out there. James Hardin, his hamstring had fallen out of the bone. They were playing with Lamarcus Aldridge on the team still.
Starting point is 03:06:29 Oh, you said 21, yeah, yeah. in 21 that that's a like was Blake there at that point maybe you can't remember yeah I'll say 2017 because it's the good mix but 21 is a very good year super close I'm not I don't think it's crazy to say 21 was better than young Katie than 14 no yeah I don't think it's crazy I don't think it's crazy because this game was more complete again on all around I don't I don't know I don't that that seems that seems like a stretch it's another regular season versus playoffs thing to me not to say young Katie wasn't good in the playoffs but you know the old man brain was so goddamn powerful in 2021 all the small stuff comes together like that's what that's to me like
Starting point is 03:07:05 2018 lebron versus 2009 lebron yeah and you can still say 2009's better in both these arguments the younger version but there's an argument for the older version being so much better for the playoffs specifically that's 2014 it is he's crazy it's a hard to be it's tough and you see it now when you look back at highlights it's not only the handle but it's how quick he's getting fast he's so twitchy he's so he's so he's so he's so as agile yeah 2014 is different okay Kobe Bryant who so this comes down to the version with shack where he was young and athletic as hell and amazing as a second option that can be the first option on many nights when needed or the older version actually no there's three
Starting point is 03:07:49 options because you can say the older version when he won back to back where he's more based on skill and refinement and it led to victory or he can say in between in like 2006 when he was just getting buckets on the worst teams ever he was a demon he was kind of One of them was still there as well, too. I think he would, that's when like the shot chucker era of Kobe, where he just had to get shots up because there was nobody around him. And I think part of that was because the team sucked. But I think also he matured before 2009 where he realized that style of play isn't going to win.
Starting point is 03:08:16 This is tough. I think, oh, nine. I was going to think towards early or not. Yeah, I think the first, the first magic title or the first title against the magic, the first one of the back to back, that's the one where you get all of the, like, you still get the tough shot making. you still get the footwork His leadership had risen to another level
Starting point is 03:08:34 Where he's not just like He's not berating teammates anymore And he he might have still did that But he, you know, picked his spots a little bit His spots It wasn't Smush Parker, you should die Yeah And you still had the last bit of like
Starting point is 03:08:48 Elite athleticism from him Right at that point So probably 09 That's fair I'm fine with 0809 Kauai Leonard I think it might be that 2019 but him in 2021 was
Starting point is 03:09:03 exactly exactly he was playmaking insanely well the first year at the clippers or second year under 2017 he was an MVP ballots I think there's what I'm saying pre he was the MVP finalist it was before he had gotten hurt he was averaging like 25 26 for the first or second time in his career
Starting point is 03:09:22 DPO I find all of that that might be the most complete in terms of athleticism because the defense too together but dude 20 21st 21st 1 people don't know because he didn't have a chance to do in the playoffs because he got hurt the passing leap he made that year before the playoffs was outrageous if he could have stayed healthy it would have been like 2019 but now he's an above average passer getting seven assists a game but i think the level of defender that he was in 17 is trump's all yeah that's kind of that's one of those where it's like it's it's on like the the on the podium of like two way players yeah okay we can go 2017 that's fine well i don't know i mean if we're doing if we're so torn between 17 and 20
Starting point is 03:09:59 his answer is 19. Because he also had one of the best runs of all time. Yeah. I think 19 is the easiest one. Yeah. So that's a hard, it's one of the hardest conversations. All three are amazing. I think I would, I would go 17 and just say damn you, Zala.
Starting point is 03:10:16 Okay. Damn you, but Julia. Next up, Chris Ball. Huh. Young Chris Ball, incredibly fast, had some scoring boost. Really shifty, crazy. Elite, elite defender for a point guard middle tier middle age chris paul on the clippers a good balance of both but a little bit
Starting point is 03:10:36 less reliant athleticism but he still had that in his bag or you can go like sons chris paul where he was just a genius and the shot making was outrageous and he's been all over the league i forget that sometimes sun's chris paul was really good he was not as good as clippers chris paul didn't since chris paul have a game in the playoffs where he like didn't miss a shot he was like 16 for 16 or something ridiculous the shot making was crazy he got his mid-range was so automatic by the time he was that age. Yeah, that run to the finals is insane. I remember they upset the Lakers.
Starting point is 03:11:05 We got to have that game. If you forget. Yeah. Yeah. It's been a while. I'm, I'm... Dude, I don't know. Genuinely.
Starting point is 03:11:13 I'm going to go Cliffers, Chris Paul. To be able to go to that franchise and instantly bring them into relevancy. And to make Diage Jordan an all-MBA center. Fair enough. Fair enough. Come on crazy. Okay. A lot of times the answer is the guy at the age where it's balanced.
Starting point is 03:11:32 He has the IQ plus the athleticism still. That's the case for Chris Ball. Blake Griffin. I think this is easy. I think it's that 2018 year, the first one probably, when he got traded to the Boston South, I mean to the Detroit Pistons. You say that. 2015 playoff, Blake Griffin was on another level.
Starting point is 03:11:50 That was like, oh, this guy's rising when the best player is in the playoffs. Tell me about it. It felt almost like Jen and Brunson we did last year where nobody expected it, but it's like, oh, he just doesn't miss. and he's putting up the most insane production you can imagine from him. The game fell complete. That's when you started to see the passing chops come along
Starting point is 03:12:03 and it wasn't just this athletic guy. I agree. I think I lean 2015. That's where you see it come along, but you see it like finally formalized in finalized in 2018. But he wasn't the athlete then. In 2015, he was still crazy athlete. He wasn't the jump shot.
Starting point is 03:12:17 He had the passing and he still was like a brute force. Yeah, and I think I'm a lean towards 2018 because if you watch those clips, he has this crazy brace on his knee. He clearly did not have all the athleticism yet the impact that he had was still there. I mean, before, before, you know, this recent Pistons run, that was like the singular Pistons year of like hope
Starting point is 03:12:42 and actually doing stuff. And it's because Blake Griffin got there and was like, yeah, I'm a demon. He sold off the rest of his career for that singular year. His handle was so crazy for his size at that point. And like he wasn't fast. He was just like actually getting bagwork off with his handle. It was nuts.
Starting point is 03:12:58 I'm going 2018. Kyrie Irving. Now, the Nets, Kyrie was crazy, 50, 40, 90. Obviously, he won with the Cavs. Celtics Kyrie. Brass Stevens had him defending, had him passing. 6.9 assists a game. It's that mental, though.
Starting point is 03:13:13 It's that mental. He went into a super team and burned it to the ground. I would never, never forget. It was supposed to be the Celtics and the Warriors in the final. Like, preseason, it was, it was, uh, Kyrie and Tatum and Hayward and Brown and all them. Youngish Al Horford, they were supposed to get there and they flamed out. And that was a team that people were legitimately saying, and it's me, I'm people,
Starting point is 03:13:39 they're legitimately saying this team is better with Terry Roadsier playing rather than Kyrie Irving. Yeah. The mental side and that's where I'm like, I don't know. Yeah, that's fair. I think in the regular season it was the best version of Kyrie, but the playoff success is antithetical to that. So I guess maybe 50, 4.90, that's Kyrie. I feel like some of the karii... Oh, shit.
Starting point is 03:14:02 Never mind. Never mind. 2016, Karee. 2017, Kari was different as well, though. The efficiency in which he played with and the passing chops weren't as there when it comes to Boston, but you can see it start to come into form as well. Very underrated version. So what's the answer?
Starting point is 03:14:22 I think the answer is actually Southwis, Karee, but if we're going to success, Success-wise, can'ts? Let's take all that stuff out of it. Just as a basketball player, I'll take 20. I'll take 20, I'll take 2019. 20201 is close, though. 201, Kyrie was brutal. He was crazy.
Starting point is 03:14:38 This is actually the closest conversation. They're all the closest conversation. They're all hard. Camelo Anthony. The Blazers and O'KC up there and the Rockets and the Lakers. Damn. This is all downhill, bro. He has the Shaq meme of all the colors.
Starting point is 03:14:57 Yeah, it's like, damn, bro. All downhill literally. Holy fuck, man. He was in LA. And he was a Blazer. Oh! He had some good years to the Blazers. I remember that one,
Starting point is 03:15:07 that one highlight where he mixed up Zonwitz. The only one that is... Without dribbling. The only one that is disgusting is the Rockets and the... I guess the Thunder 2. That was a nasty era. That was the in between struggling
Starting point is 03:15:17 to accept the next phase era. Me, come off the bench? But Blazers era was nice. Hey, P. They want me to come off the bench. I don't know what's the best version of mellow he can't be one number probably like it's either oh nine
Starting point is 03:15:33 or what 13 13 um because oh nine oh nine is the year it's post olympics and that's when like that whole group of lebron wade mellow all of them have like their best years after the olympics and you see that a lot but mellow came back from the olympics and i was like
Starting point is 03:15:54 30 a game yeah it was it was elite scoring and so i guess if you're talking about like carmelo anthony is a score what was it was like one of his best scoring years you probably go oh nine they made it to the west conference finals further see ever went you could say oh nine but you could also say 2013 because i do feel like that nick's tape era was part of the you could see his like his leadership really really shined through when he got to new york Okay. Fair enough. And that's the last one we got.
Starting point is 03:16:26 Next thing we're going to do, the last thing we're going to do today. We're going to put these headbands on. We are going to do the game we've done before where we're all going to have an NBA player on our forehead. And we've got to see who can guess their player first. We've made a bunch more names. And there's 60 in here total, I think. So we've got to get these on. It's going to be so hard to put these clips on and not fuck it up.
Starting point is 03:16:51 What we're going to do is, I want to draw it to camera. I'll just pull one out that we're not going to use we're going to have stuff like this Alex Caruso we put on our forehead we all get one see who can guess the player first all right put Caruso back in the bottom we've done this all mixed up feels like a TD3 classic at this point
Starting point is 03:17:05 I know so we grab one make sure you don't look at your player okay give this box of Donovan and then you gotta close your eyes try to put it in the clip which I feel like we're gonna fuck up oh no I got it first try let's go did I get it first try nope you're on the outside
Starting point is 03:17:20 you got to feel around and touch the clip you put it backwards what the hell was that that's what i was asking if i had it like forwards oh yeah yeah i think i got mine you got yours okay so you guys see our players in our solo cams let's see who he is twitcher fun there you can see the reflection oh no i'm okay you can go first so we're all going to ask questions about our player until we figure out who it is uh is to say current players no no am i has does this player have a podcast yes Does my player a podcast?
Starting point is 03:17:55 No. Fuck. Okay. Is my player a champion? Yeah. Was he? I think he was a part of those teams. I think so.
Starting point is 03:18:08 Let's double check though. Yeah, I'll double check because that's important. Yeah. Let me pull it up. If I was to guess, I would say yes, he was. Things get muddied up a little bit. Yeah, I can't remember what year he was on this team. Yeah.
Starting point is 03:18:20 He was, nope. no actually damn not a champion damn that's tough okay is my player a guard no
Starting point is 03:18:31 oh not a guard okay is my player in the Hall of Fame or gonna be a Hall of Famer yes so he's gonna be all of fame I saw your eyes light up
Starting point is 03:18:38 the second half okay okay you're right you're right yeah so he's certain I'm guessing my guy still playing okay is this Tracy McGrady it is not
Starting point is 03:18:47 okay he check early it's not Tracy McGrady he felt good I know you can come off the hand clank out the backboard is my player playing today yes
Starting point is 03:18:55 and he has a podcast in my player playing today no okay see I don't want to make any assumptions okay um is my player
Starting point is 03:19:04 a front court player yes yep okay is this Paul George it's not Paul George fuck
Starting point is 03:19:12 does my player have a championship yes yeah okay so he's a borderline Hall of Fame you gotta think about it he's not playing and he has a championship
Starting point is 03:19:19 okay my player is not a champion is not playing front court were they primarily in like if what i think about them on a western conference team yes yes okay has my player been an all-star before yes to get heat check here um i'm thinking my player might have recently made the hall of fame because you asked he's he's in a hall of fame he's gonna be in hall of fame he has a championship it, this is Pao Gasol. Cheater.
Starting point is 03:19:54 It was it, it was it, Pao Grosol or Chauncey billups. I don't know which one. Power, Chauncey. It's Powell. Let's fucking go. I guess your tone gave it away because you were like, is he? And I know Pao Gasol just made the Hall of Fame. Yeah.
Starting point is 03:20:05 I think I just seen it. Fuck. Yeah, your tone gave it away. I saw you were like, all right, take a guess. For my guy? Fuck. Okay, so he's playing right now.
Starting point is 03:20:15 He is not a guard. He's made an all-star team. and he has a podcast. Yours is very easy. Very easy. Okay. So that's the case. There's only a certain amount of dudes in the league who are at that caliber and also have a podcast.
Starting point is 03:20:32 Is this? I said Paul George. That was the only one. They have a podcast. Come on, man. And he's playing today, too. Eight, seven, five, six, five, four. This is so easy.
Starting point is 03:20:47 Three. two one I choked Paul this is LeBron yeah this is my
Starting point is 03:20:55 glorious king this is my glorious king how could I uh I don't know demarcus cousins ah he wasn't there
Starting point is 03:21:07 tragic let's do one more round alright Carrie's over here so let me just put him away you got yours no I just put him away
Starting point is 03:21:16 because he was flipped up already Wait, no He is a champion He wasn't in 2019 Is the year he's in the war He got it with the bucks But he wasn't there for real He was in the bucks
Starting point is 03:21:27 I think he received the ring But He played 17 games there No no no That's 2022 Isn't he a champion With the books No
Starting point is 03:21:33 No 2021 he wasn't there He was on the Clippers He was there in 2022 He was on the bucks For 17 games That was just three Okay Got my name
Starting point is 03:21:44 Am I facing the right way? Yeah Yeah he does have a championship. He does? With the Lakers. He's there in 2020? Yeah.
Starting point is 03:21:52 He was not on the team at the end of the finals or to the back house. Oh, he got hurt again, didn't he? I don't know if he. Yeah, he signed with the team that got hurt again before the season started. That was the ACL. Nice. Okay, one more round. Is it the right way?
Starting point is 03:22:12 Yep. He's got to get in the clip. All right. You guys. Okay. So, you guys know? Let's see who can guess the NBA player first. I guess I'll go first.
Starting point is 03:22:25 I want. Does my player working media? No. No. Okay. Does not. Okay. Is my player playing today?
Starting point is 03:22:33 No. Nope. Ooh. Old dude. Okay. Is my player, my player playing today? He is playing today. Yeah.
Starting point is 03:22:41 Okay. Is my player playing today? Yes. Yeah, he is. I don't know what he doesn't work in media? Is my player a Hall of Famer? Yes. Is my player
Starting point is 03:22:49 You're going to troll me No I just Does my player Currently play In the Eastern Conference No No Is my player a bucket
Starting point is 03:22:58 No He's not a bucket Okay I mean I would have A little bit of argument No He's not known as that But I mean it's there
Starting point is 03:23:07 He's like I don't know You guys are giving me No he's not a bucket No Okay So he's like He's like capable
Starting point is 03:23:15 Of getting a bucket Any given moment But not a bucket I guess All right When you say Who's a bucket This guy's name never comes up
Starting point is 03:23:25 Is my guy Known His main team Never comes up as crazy Yo is my gay Is my guy Did he play Majority in the
Starting point is 03:23:39 Western Conference? Yes Okay Okay So my guy is in the West Conference Currently playing today Did my player make the one through eight playoffs yes wait yes yeah wait oh yeah yeah yeah I'm
Starting point is 03:23:55 sure the question yeah yeah is my player an all-star currently no no okay has my player won a championship no no no championship in our Hall of Fame okay is my player on a team did my players team make the second round of the playoffs yes yeah so i got drum on green no damn that was that your oh true true was that your guess okay yeah asked me okay not a bucket so he my player known for most majority of the time in the western conference hall of famer and he has no rings charles barkley incorrect damn is uh okay is my player eliminated from the second round yes yeah fuck he's gonna get it soon uh is not player a good passer no i'm trying to ask interesting questions we do the same shit every time yes yeah no try fucking
Starting point is 03:24:57 try hards not a good passer not a fucking what does he do what the fuck is he do damn my player is a hall of famer like he okay so he's i'm assuming he's already been abducted to the hall of fame and he's updicted he took him i'm trying to feel the out of line of the silhouette. You cheated, put your hands down. I don't even think that'll work. It won't. Okay.
Starting point is 03:25:25 It would do nothing for it. Fucking idiot. That's a piece of, they all feel the same. No, they don't. They do. I swear to God, you cannot guess a single player based off of the outline. Make a guess, man. Go on.
Starting point is 03:25:44 It's so funny. Go on. Go on. Okay. majority of the time in the Western Conference. No damn rings. This is not Charles Barkley. And he's already a Hall of Famer. I have no
Starting point is 03:25:55 idea what I have. Okay. He's getting, he's getting, he's getting his soon. So we got to shoot in the fucking dark here. Is this Hmm. Damn. I was just about to say name. I was about to say a name, but then I'm like, oh, I don't want to, I don't want
Starting point is 03:26:11 to take too much of a bad guess. Is this No I gotta get one more I gotta get one more question I gotta get one more question Does he Oh Kevin Greeneff
Starting point is 03:26:25 No Fuck he has a ring Is my player a champion No No Okay Who Fuck
Starting point is 03:26:34 Is my player Above 6 5 Yes Okay Yeah he is Not an all star Above 65 Not a bucket
Starting point is 03:26:42 Not a good pass he's big can't pass and can't score is my player bald no fuck is this jimmy butler this is jimmy buggler who the hell do i have fucking sangoon chett holt i thought chad honger for a second i thought chad honger ah damn ah steve nash you see how i felt the outline and then i guessed no dummy don't ever doubt me you did not guess that don't ever doubt me you ask the wrong If you ever got my method. It's so funny because I really thought you had hungering. And if I would have said that, you would accuse me of cheating so bad.
Starting point is 03:27:19 Don't put your limitations on me. And that's the end of this show. If people are still here, what should they comment? Comment, don't put your limitations on me. Don't do it. There, comment. Don't never doubt Don't know Don't. Don't doubt Don'ty.
Starting point is 03:27:33 And we'll see y'all next week.

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