The Deep 3 Podcast - Grading Every NBA Team's 2025 Season | Ep. 135

Episode Date: April 4, 2025

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I mentioned it on stream a couple days ago. We talked about it for the past really a year of buildup. We're officially time to enter a new era of TD3 content. Every single video we record from now on, barring weird circumstances. Some travel maybe. We'll be in person full time here in the studio. All three of us, Donovan officially is now a Chicago resident. Moja signed his least.

He'll be a Chicago resident in about 10 days. Yeah. I'll be here officially officially in like two weeks from now, super consistently. Live here. Wow. In your garage. In my garage, yeah. That's the leasing sign.

But to go with that to a very special occasion, momentous start to a new era, we have a special episode, one of my favorites of the year. We are grading every single NBA team's 2024, 2025 season. We're not talking about nitty-gritty, specifically about the playoffs.

We're taking a break off from that. And we're going to do a big picture breakdown of every single team, what their goals were for the season, the place in their timeline they are. You know, every team has a different standards for what makes a successful season. We'll go through all of them

and tell you whether it was success or a failure. and we're going to do that via these grading cards got some big letters you know have a little arts and crafts to go with it okay

there we go for all the visual learners out there yeah everyone that needs to see the letter and not just hear it we got you but before we get to that episode

got a little teaser to show you guys for part two of this episode that's going to drop tomorrow separately from this trying a new release strategy got a new interview for you guys got a one minute segment

to show you guys before I'll let it run right now and we'll get on to the episode Q Fox. I mean, like, I was so used to something for almost eight years. I've been parking in the same place for almost eight years and now I'm doing something else. Yeah, and people just think like, oh, he's fast. He's fast. He's athletic. I'm like that anymore. And I'm still fast. I'm still athletic. Like, I still got that. Don't think I haven't got that now. I've seen some people say he might be like one of the best athletes to NBA's ever seen. He might be. He definitely is, right? No, no, no, no. He might be the best. And I look down in my finger and it's like this. I don't know. I mean, I think I still had a decent year. I play a lot better. than a lot of other people. No, that's right.

It seems like. The cranium is crazy. Oh my God. I mean, I would have done to know what to say. Pray on eaters rejoice. Hope you guys enjoyed that teaser. Be sure to put the, you know, put your post notifications on.

See the Deeran Fox interviewer drops tomorrow. Yeah, man, with that being said, who is the first thing you guys want to grade? How are we doing? Are we just going just around the league? We're going to an alphabetical order? You know, you know, alphabetical order. Can I get the obvious out the way real quick?

Yes. Who do you want a grade first? The Cleveland Cavaliers. Okay. They have been three, two, one. A. Resounding A around the board. Surprise, surprise to no one.

Gotcha. This is the easiest A in the world. This team has probably all these considered what was at stake, what was expected of them. The place they were at, like, to turning point that their franchise was under this year, like how much pressure. you're under probably the best season of any team that'll be great as a franchise yeah 100% because and we've talked so much about all the offseason drama that that they had you had we mentioned it all the time derrick favorite conversations about about emmobly and who started that

again who was the espion person that said derrick was someone was was i think it was bontens yeah it was bontz for mcm they're all the same in my head it was it was one it was one of them But you had questions about the fit between Garland and Mitchell. You have the questions about the leap for Evermobley. You just fired your coach. You brought in Kenny Atkinson. You had all the rumors about, you know, Rich Paul and Clutchane. If Donovan Mitchell signs the extension, then we're going to ask for a trade.

That didn't necessarily happen. But here they go, being on pace like earlier this season to win 70 games. Like that's absolutely ridiculous that they came out, answered the bell in every single question. and we like for the Celtics to be as dominant as they were last year and then come into this season still have everybody obviously Prozingis in it out but we're at a point where if you say the Cleveland Cavaliers should be the favorites to come out of the Eastern Conference it's not ridiculous it's not ridiculous to say that and that is a

testament to how great their season has gone and that's that's a if I could if I could write on this and put a plus that's what it would be it would be a plus season it's even more special because because you mentioned that there, no, you can say they're the favorites at the East. Regardless how you feel about them versus Celtics, it's not ridiculous either way. It's, that's not a normal, oh, one of the best teams in the conference they could win. This is one of the best teams in the conference against a defending champ who is not just the casual defending champ. This isn't like the 2023 Nuggets.

This isn't even 2021 Bucks. Damn sure isn't 2020 Lakers. This is a team that last season had one of the most dominant seasons of all time. They were top five in net rating in NBA history. They're coming off a year where the Celtics had a historically dominant season and we still feel like the calves are neck and neck with them. That is difficult. That's not, there's many years where you could be the top two team in the East.

And that's cool, but it's not like that crazy. You know, there's like the Hawks in 2015 where a talk to team in the East. This is not bad. This is against a truly generational team, your neck and neck, resounding A plus. Yeah, exactly. One of my favorite things about this Cleveland Cavaliers team is that everything is continuously clicking at the same time you see the rising of immobile you see donovan mitchell and dares going and figuring things out together and then on top of that too like all their

wings the sam merrows of the world the um dillon what does he mean dillan take you time take you time start to the w winner dean way no dean wade you met yeah Dylan went on this roster anymore yeah dean wade there we go yeah dean wade of the world and shit like that at the drive Like, they were, yeah. I wanted to see where he was going. I just didn't even know. I didn't know what to help with. But the point that I was heading towards is that, like, this team didn't even remain stagnant.

They realized that this team could be even better. And they went out and the number one seed went out and made a pretty big trade. And someone for someone like DeAndre Hunter, who offers, like, a different level of scoring compared to any other wing on their roster, a different level of physicality, compared to any other wing on their roster. So to see them. look at their roster being the widely at the time like number one seat in the eastern conference decide to get even better bro i just love greatness and we're witnessing it right now it is a rain plus number one offense in the league number two record in the league for a large part of the year was number one record in the league their young core made a bit a jump garland

is back to the pace he was on before the jaw injury mowgli's elevating to you know last night in the press conference garland said mowgli's our best player in our team right now and you know you can have your opinion by him versus Donovan Mitchell it's not ridiculous to say Evan Mobley's overall their best two-way player that's a huge achievement

in and of itself regardless of the progression that made as a team Mowbly to make that jump to be the number two pick star that he was expected to be or number three actually he went but regardless

that means a lot for the season that alone would have them have a high ranking if they weren't one of the best teams in the league just because that progression was so vital to the long-term trajectory we can phrase every single fiber of this team

Kenny Atkins is an elite coach going to coach the year like every single thing that could go well has gone well with little to no caveats yeah the also the everyone mobly is the best two-way player on on the team like that's not easily yeah i don't think that's so if you rank the top 30 players in the league right now would you rank him above don't mr. Mitchell well we're not a two-way well i mean what does they even mean like everybody's judged two-way we rank the best players but like best not not not really i know what you mean yeah that's what i'm saying and so it's like just combination yeah combination of

offense and defense that in itself is like he has that title for for the team now is D Mitch is scoring more more impactful yeah you can and that that's what I'm saying like that it might that's the that's the question where at least this season which I don't I don't blame for saying that whatsoever honestly I said I would give them an a plus I lied it I would give them a plus if Donovan Mitchell was still looking like an MVP like style dude right now and he's just very much not but there's no wrong with that because i think that's even more reasonable ways give them yeah because he he accepted a lesser role which isn't in like that's not automatic that a star of his caliber will take a lesser role and take less shots i think that lesser role has kind

took him out of a rhythm at times and he struggled with at times in ways that you don't want to see but the idea of you know just in a team locker room chemistry like way of viewing it the fact that he's okay with that yeah also a positive thing you don't always see that you're right but i think more so in terms of like overall effectiveness like you're still shooting lights out in terms of like his three born percentage and all that but there's other things in between his game that just haven't been as strong which is like

I know but Donovan Mitchell I believe he'll show up in big games and what's on the screen right now like this Cleveland this Cleveland Cavaliers versus Boston Celtes game he went absolutely bonkers I think he dropped like 35 or 40 or something like that and I think it'll do that in the playoffs but this year he just hasn't been the same

exact dude who's you're Winston you know I haven't checked in in a while and his rim numbers. No early in the season I kept telling you guys it was kind of a concern. I just like haven't thought about it

in a long time. Yeah. 60% field goal percentage at the rim. Last year was 67. You're before that 68. So yeah. Donovan Mitchell,

I hope that changes in the playoffs because that's gonna be needed. Yeah, exactly. Regardless, A plus. We don't got a heartburn any negativity right now. This is a big picture episode, big picture the Cavs

get an A plus. Shout to Cleveland. Ain't nothing good. That literally nothing good happens to that town unless it's behind LeBron. So for the first time they have some sex with all

success without LeBron. shout it to you there we go let's jump over to the other conference let's go out west what do you want to get the Denver nuggets you know they're not this one can go either way because they have a lot of disappointing elements but they are the three seed vying for the two seed by the time the season ends it could very well be two and take it back from the rockets they have a guy who's going to be second MVP their second best players bounce back and looks fine it's kind of a mixed bag I feel like we might get some disagreement here overall what do you guys want to grade it let's count down to three two let's one

see so the reason why I'm giving them a B right now is like yo your team is ass you I might go D loki I'm I'm concerned long term long term long term I'm concerned but I'm like it's impressive how ass they are and how good they still can be so this tells me that this is a call of yokeets grade that is 100% I'm gonna concern long term just because okay so before the season started I picked them to be a three seed and a lot of people told me I was overrating them because you know they lost KCP and everyone expected them to be a little bit worse. People were telling me I was glazing Yokic

but I put him into a three seed. Turns out that's exactly right. They are that because Yokish has the floor we thought, right? I thought they'd win games and I wouldn't care that much about KCP. Turns out they're winning games and I care a lot about KCP.

I was right, big picture wise, but wrong in terms of what I would take away from that. And that's because I didn't think enough about defense. Offensively, I think KCP does not fucking matter. I'm still, that was right. I underestimated the importance of KCP's on-ball defense to be able to really save Nicole

Yokich from being destroyed as a defender, you need to swarm him with good defenders and have the point of attack guys that can make pick and roll defense easier for him because they can fight over screens and not give defenders free lane to attack Yokch in a drop coverage. They don't have that now. And I don't really see the path of them getting that. So I'm kind of concerned that for a while we're going to see this team not have a defensive ceiling that kind of, one, it makes me not have a lot of faith in the playoffs this year, which makes you give him a D because I feel that three seed is kind fraudulent and also I feel like that's going to be the case for the next several years so maybe it's not fair to project but I feel like they're showing me signs that would be

long-term issues well even like even now everything everything that you're saying in terms of your worries for the future can be applied obviously to this year and I think I think I think I a little bit overrated the the KCP loss offensively because Yokic is just one of those guys where he's on your team your offense is going to be it's going to be okay like it's going to be it's going to be fine but they like they are also at the point because one you've won a title before and you still have same best player same coach same you know uh co-stars in terms of jamar and and uh and pj that unless you're actually sliding in the in the western conference like unless you don't have home court advantage in the first round i don't really care about

you're right i go see you know what i don't really care about about the regular season in terms of what is your seating. I care about how it looks in the process more. Yeah. Than the end. This guy's been watching Mind the Game Podcasts. It's all about the process. Process greater than outcome.

It's only because I need to be able to have some type of faith or trust. Why is this hell is in 360? Going into the playoffs. And I don't have that in the Nuggets right now. And so for a team that has the best player in the world and is the three seed, you would think, oh yeah, out West, it should be the Thunder and it should be Denver and it's just not. It's Oklahoma City and it's everybody else. You are 110% correct, dude.

Yeah, you're right. I got to go see. I got to go see. I got to respect the regular season element of this ranking. So I can't go D. But, you know, even that, shout out the three seed. From ninth in defense to 21st, that's a big drop from last year to this year. And their 25th enforcing turnovers, their half court.

defense also isn't particularly good. Everything about this team just scares me for translating to the playoffs and this is a team that, you know, we mentioned the top, every team is going to be graded on a different scale because of what matters to them. My matter to this team is winning fucking championships. And I do not feel good about their championship equity

when every year you need that shit to be maximized because you have Nicole Yolkich in this prime. Who knows for how many years? You can't waste a year. And it's not to say this year's a waste. They're making the best of what they can. They didn't do anything outright ridiculous that killed them in their chances. But I don't feel like they have a chance of winning a championship. which is hasn't been the case for the last four years yes so i will say like over the last few years

two years specifically like we've seen nothing but the depth in the theme of what made them special especially that championship run just continuously like weighing away as time you keep talking i'm going to go my can't be the bruce browns of the world or whether it be the kcps of the world whoever else you want to throw in that loop of players and to me it is known well documented I had this team as champions of favorites Earlier in the year You were trying to put them in a tier Exactly yeah

Clearly I don't anymore Because of things that has transpired Seeing the consistent inconsistencies In their defense Seeing how Nicole Yokitch has been Absolutely put in the blender And this is some of the I don't want to say some of the worst defense

I've seen in play but it's just not looking good whatsoever and he doesn't have Those decorations around the house To let you know like oh shit This is a really shady house you know and because of that i knew they were going to be and defensively but i didn't know they were going to be this and throughout the entire course of the season now i'm giving them b because they did find some things to help like revitalize this team a little bit whether it be russle westbrook

turning out to be a certain thing um Aaron them exploring options offensively and defensive with with Aaron Gordon, trying them off the bench and all that. Like, they found some things is the things that for me to leave them to give them a. Hell no. I'd rather give them a B because, like, the season's not a loss cause. They have a chance. To me, I will give them to see if they were just a complete and utter disappointment all around. And as of now, like, Jamal Murray's playing good basketball and Aaron Gordon still doing

his doing his thing. And the core, which is all that matters in my mind, has stabilized. And you know what that sounds like, it's like what you're doing. you said at the beginning, that is a Nicole Yochardt's screen. Yeah, right? Like, you're, you're giving them a lot of credit for the things that they found. No, I'm going to give Yokin's that credit. He's part of the team.

So I guess that's fair. But yeah, you said it's one of the worst years of Nicole Yolk's defense. He's not even worse. The team environment is just worse at hiding his flaws. The plus has always been there. They just had a really good installation of those flaws, like you said. Sixth in rim defense last year. That was surprising.

You know, that's why the narrative last year when you won the MVP was like, I get it. He's not a good defender. Shit doesn't matter. He's having a fine defensive season. It's not impacting the losses in any way, really. It's not a problem to talk about really at all. And, you know, there was a narrative that Yokuch's defense actually underrated because when you can hide the lack of mobility and just use him positionally to use his size and IQ,

you can make use of those strengths. It's the same thing we're seeing this year. I think JJ Reddick's done a good job of hiding Lucas deficiency as much as you can and getting some good stuff out of him down low. That was Yokic's last year. Now the 21st in room defense because they don't have that installation with KCP gone and nobody replaced him there. and they're just bleeding perimeter defenders

and all of a sudden you see those flaws matter a lot more and he's actually quite the negative defender this year. You know what this Denver Nuggets team reminded me of? You know that Ashton Martin? I don't know if Ashton Martin or Bugatti meme in like that trap house? Yes. That's what I see when it comes to the It's like a mobile home with the at with the

Was it Bugatti? Yeah, Bugatti parking the driveway. Yeah, exactly. That's what I see when it comes to the Denver Nuggets like ooh man that car is so sexy. I don't even pay what the fuck the house looks like that That car is hard, bro. And that's a C, man. Yeah, I'm giving that C. There we go.

C's cool. I can understand that. Me personally, I would give them a C if I didn't see Peyton Watson take any type of leap whatsoever. Christian Braun or Brown, my bad, like, do anything this season. If I saw Jamal Murray still look hobbled and shit, I'll be like, yo, they're in the blender. They deserve a C or D. But they have those things to hang on to still. I just don't feel.

I mean, shout out Peyton Watson. He's looking good defensively making the development. Glad Jamal Murray is back to Jamal Murray like he always is the second half of the year. It doesn't move me. If they lost in the first round, would any of us be shocked? In the first round,

I would be shocked. So they lost the Warriors? I think that's how it would be today, three six, you'd be shocked. I mean, I don't know if I don't think, I don't think shocked.

You can't think the nuggets and expect them to win, but you can't be shocked if the Warriors beat them. That's very much in the realm of possibility. And yeah, that's the, that I think the fact that we're at this point with them,

that's the shocking part to me. When you look back on the season. Okay. Donovan, what East Wing Conference team you want to go do? Let's keep flipping back and forth. Let's go to year two. Let's talk about the Atlanta Hawks. Nice.

Okay. All right. Let's think about what we're great. The Hawks. They're mixed back too because obviously, you know, you lose Jalen Johnson. Your season is a loss in terms of your realistic chance of making a splash in the East, right? With him, you had a puncher's chance. I think I picked them to be, yeah, we've got to think about this in terms of the

thought before the season, right? I think I put them at seven before the year started, top of the plane race, but very much in the playing race. when Jailin was healthy, there is a moment they were five seats. So they had a chance then he's lost, but they have some bright spots in their young core developing. I'm going to steal something out of Donovan's bag.

I'm going to give this season a C. The outcome is ugly. I'm going to be. Wow. Okay. The outcome is ugly, but the process in which it's been happening is fantastic. We actually see the value and we actually can see this being

some type of winning form. I'm not saying we went in a championship and I'm like that, but when it comes to producing good basketball and how we're losing these games, it's much better. Yeah, I think because before the season, I think that actually, I might have to change it to see, listen, even the fans are getting hurt at Hawks games. That's the main thing. That's a main thing for me. Fans are out here tearing the ACLs and stuff.

But I think I picked the Hawks to be like the either like eight or nine C. Yeah, I can remember. We all had them playing, I think. Something like that. But the fact that, like, you saw the emergency. of Dyson Daniels this year, which is massive. You've seen, especially during March, your number one overall pick really started to come into form.

With that, like the record is what I thought it was going to be. You found kind of, you know, two gems. And you're not even getting elite Trey Young production this year. Jalen Johnson gets hurt. You're talking me up right now. You sell me a good pitch. That's what I'm saying. But Jalen Johnson, before he got hurt, was playing good basketball.

Hey, man, I like this guy. You're describing a lot of, because keep in mind. This team is retooling. They weren't expected to really compete. So the seating, the wins, like, it sucks at Lashalen Johnson, and it sucks their mid. And I've taken every opportunity to laugh at them, mostly as like a joke to you. And like, I took every opportunity to say their trade deadline moves suck and whatnot. Mostly as a joke to troll Mo.

But I don't care that much about their outlook winning this year, like realistically. So what matters a lot more is what you see from these young players. And Risha Shay, like, he's a guarantee to be a good player. this point. I still don't know, even despite his great march, I don't know if he has the skill set that makes you think he'll be a star, but it's not like, if you tell me he does become a star and he's not preposterous at all. Okay, sure. If he becomes Chris Middleton, he becomes Chris Middleton. That's not impossible at all. Getting Dyson as a throw in for the Dejante Murray trade, one of the biggest value propositions of the entire NBA this year, like that's an absolute

steal. That to me matters a lot. And you could pitch me on that being A, especially with Jaylon Johnson playing. I can all start this year. Yeah. So the reason why, go ahead. But I'm going and B. I think the right way to phrase this. I appreciate Tray Young's season and the playmaking masterclass he's put on. He has the same way Dyson Daniels has like far and away the most steals since Chris Paul in 2006, I think it was. Trayon's also having a preposterous playmaking season. He has like 500 more assists in the number two guide in total. That's incredible. The playmaking has been real. I think I feel a little bit worse about him in terms of like can he be your best player on your team. And I don't know how to parse that. I have some concerns about

like him being the guy to build his nucleus around without a second star. Just because like did you watch that mass game last night? I think you were traveling. I don't know if you did you see the final. I caught the tail end of it. The final play that tells you not to react to one game. I'm not saying this is the long game, but you see this a lot. That final play told you a lot about how hard is the building as a score especially. He was so scared driving the room because he was so scared to get blocked. He got blocked twice. It's really hard for him to create efficient. offense the floater just isn't there anymore I don't know if you guys have noticed that just hasn't returned really hasn't been it's a couple years has been a struggle so the inside

the arc scoring is just I think it's just bad now it's been a couple years in a row granted part of that is a team construction makes it harder for him he doesn't seem to be compensating for that it's going to be hard for him he's not going to do that well unless he's a perfect environment which you can't always ask for it so I like that he's become a better playmaker or at least showing it more this year but I'm concerned about the scoring long term which I don't know what to do with that you know yeah I think when it comes to people looking at him as a actual building, but he can be the best player on my honor championship team. I think that ship has sailed simply because a small guard tendencies and there's only been like

one small guard who's been able to be the face of a championship team, which is tri young top or my bad Steph Curry, which is like top 10 player 13 player ball time. I'm sure, but continue. Sure. My God. Anyways, so I agree with you for those reasons. A part of the reasons why if Jalen Johnson was healthy and we were at. succeed or whatever, I would give them an A because I'm like, oh, that's fantastic.

Yeah, yeah. But what kind of like helps it dim to life for this team to me, outside of the Tray Young thing, which is very valid, valid is the health aspect of things. And seeing how much we rely on someone like Jalen Johnson, who does all the sorts of things that none of our guys can do is scary because it's the second year straight where his season has just ended abruptly due to some, like, random ass injury that completely fucked all of our goals and hopes for the start of the season. And so that's why I'm like a little bit lower on him.

But then what helps recuperate that great is seeing like the emergence of on Yaka Kongu, who's like feeling a little bit of a modern version of Al Horford in terms of like, you know, this guy's good. He's not necessarily like elite at like one singular thing. But he can do a lot of cool things on the court. That's pretty generous. That's pretty generous. But yeah, I agree.

He's definitely been better, especially offensively. The offensive leap is like 100% needed. Like that's super encouraging. I'm not going to go there to an Al Holford level. I know you didn't mean one to one. Yeah, no, not a one of one. Listen, I just add out of Al Hofer respect. Not throwing that around too loosely.

But I see your point. Oh, okay. I saw you via Howard. No, shout out of Hartford, one of the most underrated defenders of all time, which I'm not going to have thrown Yeka yet. But yeah, I don't know. Like overall, it's a positive, like I said.

And doesn't, having Jaylon Johnson changes everything. Like, that's a huge hill to overcome, especially defensively. He made the defense so much better when he was there. The on-off swing was ridiculous. I just, yeah, I don't know. Like, how much does the Tray Young thing work? you that like you there's not really a path of getting a better player than him and you know that's a

reductive way to phrase it it doesn't we're talking about this season that's all let's keep it cut and dry you know i agree i agree but i just mean like similar to the nuggets thing that you can take learnings for how the next several years going to go from the season and like it's a mixed back with me work i'm encouraged around this model improving in this way but i'm like hmm is this model worth it i think i think it is worth it for a couple things one i think if you are going to have trey young as one of your what two best offensive players on your team if you're trying to like win a

win a championship what's the thing what's their path to getting someone as good as him trade for yonis there you go just build hell of you just have a bunch of really good damn young good players or whatever and just wait to cash in for the perfect

number one option if the opportunity prevailed itself will it I don't know but in the meantime just continue to build on and become a respectful respectful organization so then I guess that's a question then do you feel good about that that's a new idea right is it's not that we're going to build a contender with Trayong as the best player. It's that we're putting yourself in the

best spot to eventually get a guy to pair with him. Do you feel good about the trajectory this year to get that guy? Yeah, absolutely. They... Then be it is. I'm with you. Be it is enough. They deserve that. If you feel good about it, I feel great about it. We can go B. Yeah. Like, over the last 12 months, I would say, they've course corrected every mistake that they've made or the last five years, bro. When it comes to the John Collins contract or what we did with and heavily invested in some like Kevin Herder, who is on the Chicago Bulls. I was playing Pissport basketball on the Chicago Bulls, mind you, you know?

Like, those are the guys who were our core. Then we went ahead and traded for someone like the John Timer to write all those wrongs, bro, and to still, like, not be in the best position, like, asset-wise because obviously the spurs ever picking one, not, which doesn't fucking really matter anymore for real, because of the extension of Richie say, like, I feel pretty good. I feel really good about this team and this organization in the direction. Me too, then. I'm not even trying to say I don't feel good.

I just think it's something to consider, like, think about how we feel about Tray Young long term in this plan, but if you forgot about it, who might have disagree? One thing I will say before we take off on the Hawks is like, in order for to build a really successful team around a six-foot guard who isn't that much on defense, you need to be generational, a generational bucket maker, bro.

There is no end if or buts about it. And Steph Curry and as Hey, Thomas, I guess, are those guys, you know? And there's a reason why I see someone like training. He can hit tough buckets, he's in time and time again. but he doesn't really have that generational aspect of his bucket getting game to him. Yeah, the shot making to him.

So that's what makes it tough when it comes to building around. Yeah, it's three years in a row now that the rim scoring has been a lot worse than it used to be. Actually, I lie, the floater range stuff, he's back up to 46%. So maybe I exaggerated that, my bad.

Last time I checked, it was worse. But the rim scoring is at 54%. It was 59% in 2022. You know, like, that's a good amount different. so overall it's he's not above average efficiency right now which you can do that if you're going to be the best playmaker in the NBA that's okay if you're going to be the best playmaker in the NBA as a small guard that's giving you nothing defensively you ought to also be a really efficient leader of scoring yeah he's been better defensively I'll give him that too sure sure

yeah I'm not saying it's the worst NBA anymore but you know he's not going to yeah not going to elevate you all right what's the next team we're going let's go out west again let's go to my team now let's mix it up let's do the Lakers surprise surprise we're giving them an a obvious a this is a team that came into the into the year it felt like the core had run its course right people everybody kind of thought okay six seed seven seed playing tournament like they had in the last three years in a row this is who they are now lebron's old 80's good the roster around them has really deteriorated since the russell westbrook trade and you know is what it is they're just the lakers low key they're better than the hawks

but they were almost as talked about like they are the Hawks out west where it's like, okay, guaranteed seven seed. And then they got Luca Donutsch's and that changed everything. Not only is their long-term outlook better because they got the superstar of the future which that alone would have made an A.

They're also great this year. They're the three seed or four seed right now they dipped a little bit because LeBron's injury. They might get back to three by the time this is watching a couple weeks. Who knows? They're good enough to contend this year and have a run-up to Western Conference finals

potentially and their long-term outlook is better. Easy as A you can imagine. Yeah, you have three, You have three things that make it a name for me. One, Austin Reeves continues. That's true. Austin Reeves continues to grow and get better. You have that.

Two, obviously you traded for Luca. And three, you signed JJ Redick as your coach. And so you have your coach for the future. He's proven this year, and we've talked about it plenty of times, that he is not only a good coach trying to implement one type of system, but he's also very adaptable. Yes. And the things that he wants the Lakers to do and allows them to do.

Those three things and those three white men have made the Lakers. Not only relevant just because they're the Lakers, but relevant because they are like a legitimate good basketball team. And as we go into the playoffs, like we talk about, you know, do we have a lot of faith in Denver? Like it's OKC and you're trying to figure out who that second team is, who's going to meet them in the conference finals. It's not ridiculous if you think that the Lakers are going to be that other team

to play OKC there. Not only is that ridiculous They're probably the favorite To be the second thing I think JJ Redick has had Probably the craziest first season Rookie year coaching Year that anyone has ever had

Like you go from Trying to figure out And maximize something like DeAngel or Russell Having those frustrations with him Yanking him and shit like that There's a way to maximize him Trying to start

Bench Cambride's not on the fucking team No more bro Cross country And then you all of a sudden land like someone who's Bed style buddy someone who's routinely

like the top three four player in the NBA and one of the best young stars of history of the league has ever seen in Luca Donchich and you have to completely switch the style of ball that your entire team plays like one through five and to figure all this shut out on the fly

is immaculate now it also helps having like the smartest basketball player we ever seen in LeBron James probably on your side too and that's another part that I want to like switch over. to as well, seeing how he's been like revitalized and seeing how adding Luca has probably added years onto LeBron's like career, it moves, it moves in mountains.

Yeah, it moves in mountains. So I'm giving this the next. Yeah, I'm glad you guys mentioned JJ Redick. I forgot to mention that in my little summary. It's not a year ago. He was in the same business we are. He was thinking about how to build out this motherfucking content calendar, how to implement short form content and the rise of Instagram reels and how to get him on Spotify video and

the new clips feature. He was thinking about media And he was thinking about running a business Next three months later You're coaching LeBron James And your first time coaching period Outside of your son's Fourth grade league, right?

So much was made about the fact That he had no credentials Everybody wanted that to fail To come and laugh at the Lakers Laugh at Le G.M. For hiring his friend, the podcaster to coach them when it wasn't deserved. Everybody wanted to victory lap it

Before it even happened. You know, famous of that clip of Bill Simmons talking about this team's a joke why we're even talking about them, they're cooked, it's over. Obviously, he's a self-examance. It was hating. But, you know, that was a prevailing sentiment. Was that also, okay.

They also traded for Luka-Dakins mid-season. No, no, I'm just saying, like, it was expected to him to not be a good coach, or at least everybody had mentally accepted this would have a struggle at the very least. And even people like me, they were optimistic. I was, like, building in some caveat to, like, he's a rookie. We'll give it time, but I think it'll make sense long term. He's been a good coach from the jump. He really, there's been, there was obviously some ups and downs throughout the season,

dealing with injuries before Luca Donchitz and stuff. But from the jump, he's kind of showed he's a good coach. And he's somebody that's probably going to be there for the next 15 years if he wants to be. Something that I can say with conference is like he's easily like a top 15 to 10 coach in the league. Yeah, that's not a given. Like that alone is a great accomplishment to just find that guy who's never done it before. All you had to do is trust that he's like that. That does not always work out.

In fact, many, many, many times, maybe most of the time, it does not work out, especially not right away. So even if they didn't get Luca Donchich, that alone would be worthy of a good grade because that matters a lot long term. Yeah, the last couple of examples of, like, players to become coaches without any experience, it's like Steve Nash, Jason Kidd, Derek Fisher, right? Like, like those three guys, again, very, like varying results on there. Not even. They were all immediate disasters. Jason Kidd had to get fired, and eventually he went to be an assistant and got better.

Now he's on the Mavs, and he's a good coach now. He learned a lot and improved over time, as most coaches do. Steve Nash, immediate disaster, didn't make it through two seasons, got ran out of town. Derek Fisher is not coaching. the NBA anymore. I think he's actually a decent coach now. Isn't he? WMBA still? I think so. I'm not sure. Maybe he got fired. Maybe at one point he was in WMBA. Maybe he's not anymore. I don't know. I don't know. His success right there. But, you know, he got another coaching job. Not in the NBA. It did not go well to start. So like I said, most times this doesn't

work. So shout out J.J. Reddick for being one of the exceptions. Yeah. I hate the Lakers. Miraculous season. They did it again. And you know what? They're set up well to get even better this summer and have a good outlook going to the next year from moves made this year. Also, shout out to a lot of Pinck for resenting that trade, bro. Like, I don't think it's not too often. We've seen this before in recent NBA history, but it's not too often where we see a trade happen and then something happened like physical wise. And then we see Mark Williams playing good basketball as normal. And the Lakers are able to just like throw out the whole kitchen and then take it back.

But hold on, wait a minute. I mean that. Psych, please take it back. Yeah. Still kind of wish I had another seven foot body in there for this year. Yeah. I wouldn't have been mad they kept it. But, you know, if they saw long-term issues,

they don't want to overpay for something that may be an issue. So good for them on, you know, yeah, I guess you're right. Good for them on being willing to sacrifice this year and make the tough choice of knowing you're not maximizing a year of LeBron because it won't be smart long-term with what you know but is physical. So that's not an easy choice to make at all. Yeah, exactly. And shout out JJ Reddick for finding a way to buy a coaching masterclass

make up for the fact that you have no big men. Probably the small ball shit in the frenzy defense, the collective effort that he's requiring and getting out of this team, that's not easy whatsoever especially when your best player is 40 we've seen LeBron if he's not viable with the coach not vibing with the team

you got to really like get effort out of LeBron at this age not to say like he's ever lazy but there's times and where you see the body language you get none of that right now he's going as hard as he can yeah exactly

I agree they deserve they're one of the easiest A's on this list for sure okay going back out east what's the next one Moe going back on Ease let's go ahead and talk about the Milwaukee Bucks

such an up and down season And they started off the year, like, I believe, if I remember crazy, they weren't even in the playoffs. They started out horrendously, bro. Were they like 0 and 10 to start the year, a 1 in 10? Yeah, and that was bad. That feels like forever ago. Yeah, it does. They were horrendous.

And now since then, so many things have changed. Chris Motes is not on the roster anymore. Kyle Kuzma is starting for them these days. And now at the end of the season, we don't know what's happening with Damiel alert. I don't know how to grade this. I do. Can I be a hitter right quick? Go ahead.

F. who. Yeah. F. You know what? listen bucks fans turn away turn it off right now to skip to the next section you're not going to like what i got to say and i understand why you won't i'm not even saying you should like what i got to say it but i got to say it i know we've done this for years we've done the whole

will yannis request to trade will this lead to them blowing it up yada yada and most of the time it's been undeserved it's been disrespectful to the bucks fans it's been it's been disrespectful to bucks fans and bucks organization that did nothing but make good moves around yannis and earn his loyalty over the years they went out they traded for chris middleton they nurtured him into being a star. They made good trades around the margins, got other good role players, eventually got him Drew Holiday, put him in a spot where he could win a championship as a best player. They did right by him. They have since done, not terrible by him, but they've gotten very unlucky to the point now where none of that shit matters to me. I look at this roster and I see

zero path to them returning to relevancy in the next three or four years. And I don't want to do this because Janice has told his time in time out he doesn't want to leave. Eventually that shit might change if it gets dire enough. And I think this year has put them on a path that it will get that dire for long-term reasons alone I have to go F because I think his feature on this team is in jeopardy yeah and shit bro

and I'm sorry bucks fans I don't want it to be this way but I'm kind of scared for you if I'm looking at the product that I see on this team as well on the core it's just not inspiring whatsoever like why am I saying yeah tell me twice

why Andre Jackson like the founding savior of this team and people were talking about how he's like a point of attack God and shit like that and now it's my and March and April, he's getting no minutes now. He's riding the fuck out of that bench.

And now I just see them scrapping for anything possible, bro. Why do I see over-involvement of Torian Prince on this roster? It is just so much on this team that just looks so piss poor. And I agree, if I was to have a bold prediction for this offseason, I think, like, someone like, Yonis is going to demand a trade, bro. Yeah, and I don't know if it would be demand. Maybe it would be mutual. They're like, fuck, we have to reset.

because there's no way forward. Like, and they could run it back and they continue to be mid for a few years. Maybe he'll stay. I'm not, let me rephrase that then. I don't know if he was straight because maybe he's the type of guy

that wants to just keep living there because he likes it. You see that a lot with players that are European players or so on that aren't from America. They settle in one city. They don't want to leave. You see that a lot.

Jokos doesn't want to leave. Yons doesn't want to leave. You know, you make your home here. So it's understandable if he wants to stay. But I think they're in a position where he should want to leave. Whether or not that comes to the past, if it doesn't,

that means they're going to be mid forever. So that's also asked. It's also not a good outcome. Yannis is also one of them dies. Maybe he just befrient, but he has hopped on the most random NBA podcast before and also made so many bold statements. And like,

his number one focus is just a fucking win. He doesn't care about staying in the Milwaukee Bucks. Obviously, he's also stated that he does not care about staying in one thing. I think he's doing that to put a little pressure. So maybe he's just doing that to put pressure on their back. But honestly, if I'm the Milwaukee Bucks,

in seeing the like they just make bad decisions consistently bro like i don't know if you notice but they don't have they don't draft well whatsoever like since the yannis era they have nobody's sticking by their side bro i've noticed consistent bust and trash after like the thon makers of j barry parks of the world the fucking dj wilson's of the world but i can go on and on and on like nothing they don't do anything right and on top of that too they have bad luck and then they went ahead and doubled up and buried their grave when it comes to signing someone like doc rivers yeah and See, we talked about this couple weeks ago. We can have a conversation again.

I still, they have made bad decisions. They're fucking horrible at drafting. That much is clear. I still don't blame anybody for this situation quite so easily. Like some teams, Calvin Booth, you like KCP walk. The owners are cheap. You guys are to blame. You could have kept him very feasibly.

And you would have had to pay a tax bill. I understand the implications of the second apron. You could have dealt with that and had a much better chance of winning a championship this year. I don't feel like any one move should be the blame for this. They just got really unlucky. They got Damien Lillard. It was a good trade in the moment. We all bought in on the vision.

We all assumed Janus could morph his game because he's that good. And play as a role man, be complimentary to Dame. Hasn't worked out. Their chemistry has never been good. Even when they've had better stretches, it hasn't been elite like we thought. Unlucky. Also unlucky, Chris Milton's body completely gave out three weeks after they made that trade. He had to get double ankle surgery last year, wasn't healthy this year.

They move him for Kyle Kuzma, which I think that trade wasn't good. I understand Bucks fans sold themselves on just getting something for Chris because he's currently giving you nothing, it was unreliable. I get it. Don't think it was a good choice of player to pursue, but I understand you had to get out of the Chris Milton business. All these things, and obviously Yonis's injuries before the last two playoff runs, and now Dane's blood clot that ruins this playoff run potentially.

Unlucky streak after unlucky streak after unlucky streak. Maybe you don't need to say John Horst, you're the devil, you've ruined this team. But regardless, the team is ruined. And it's not your fault, but shit happens. And some people get unlucky and suddenly the championship window is closed. that's all it is for them is pure bad luck but nevertheless

that bad luck has his ramifications y'all said it all man I'll set it all it's a bad it's a bad season and also you chose to employ Kevin Porter Jr.,

so maybe you deserve this maybe that was a bad luck you brought it upon yourself are deep fried brother deep fried the worst way you know yesterday had a Timmy Chango for the first time

did they remind you the books yeah bro it was how did you go it was kind of sweet where did you get at somewhere in the Bronx Is near my mom's crib

Okay, it was fire It was very interesting I'm never eating it again But very interesting All right nice What do you want to seem to do Out of this Like I guess

Let's have the full bucks combo Like Let's say this season plays out Let's say Dame doesn't come back For the playoff run There's a chance he might Because I We were actually informed

After the last episode By some people in the comments I knew a little bit about A little bit about Deep vein thrombosis The reason Doctors in the chat Yeah facts

I felt like they knew What they're talking about The reason he's not ruled out In the same way Wemby is Is because Wembe's was in his shoulder, which is closer to your heart, and you move that a lot and you get scar tissue in your shoulder so that kind of like inflames the blood clot, makes it hard to recover from,

plus taking blood thinners you can't play on. Apparently there's less concern about that because obviously the calf is far away from your heart. So the reason that dame is out is mostly because the blood thinners, you can't play on that. So the reason that they have the window open because maybe he goes through that process fast enough and post blood thinners, if it clears out, he can come back, either start the playoffs, midway through the playoffs, whatever may be. That window's open. Let's say he doesn't come back, though. Let's say he's out for the whole year and they lose in the first round again because they just don't have the firepower.

What do you do this summer? You traded AJ Johnson already. You already got rid of your one promising young piece that maybe isn't even that promising, but it's something. I mean, he's throwing something. Yeah, exactly. So you gave him away for fucking nothing as a throw in. What do you do? Like, do you keep Kuzma around?

Sure, I guess. You already have Brooke Lopez's old that fans kind of want to get rid of. What are you getting for him? Nothing. What you do is you have to. go the Golden State Warriors route and you have to hope that next year in the middle of the season, some star gets up. But they're over the apron, aren't they?

Some star gets upset. Oh, no. This trade, this Christmas Newton trade put them under, I believe. Under the second apron? Okay. Yeah. Yeah, but you have to figure out. So then the first apron.

Yeah. You have to figure out a way to just wait it out and hope that somebody else becomes available and then try it and run back Janus plus star and see how that works. See if you get added to. if it makes sense see if you can add it to to dame as well but i doubt you know you're going to be able to make that work but that's that's kind of it so basically just pray yeah because you're not because you mentioned like do do they get proactive and trade yonis small market teams they're not going to want to they're not he's a legend exactly if yonis wants to stay there for the rest of his

career they will have him they're not going to do anything so if that's the case everybody else is on the table to be traded i don't think that like your best assets to trade are kuzma dame brookelopez you just named two ass assets and dame so do you trade dame is that going to be the only option but but if that's the but that's the case what are you getting for dame at this age and like is the is the package worth it to then to to to move off of him and and and try and reset and do everything else or would it bet would it be better to just write out with yonison dame for a third year and see how that goes because once again and we can't like we can't skip over this

as like they have not gone into a playoff healthy together with the whole idea is that like when they first got together if we get to the playoffs we will have the best player in the conference and we're going to have dame a proven playoff performer you have you have not had that for two years now can you go into a third year and hope that you can get to april with both of them there and see if that potential finally works out. Julius Randall, Rob Dillingham, Shannon Jr., and a pick for Dame. Do they say yes?

Julius Randall will be expiring. Maybe you can flip them to a third team or you have to play him where you get two young players. Could I interest you in? No, I'm not going to say. I'm not going to say. We're good, we good.

But the Timberwolves will probably want Dame. What did the magic give you for Dame? You want Anthony Black, Jet Howard, and a couple picks? You can have every guard outside of Jalen's looks. No, so maybe they'll give up They have a lot of centers So maybe they give up

Wendell Carter Jr. Maybe that's a vintage These are bleak conversations man that we're having About the bucks Sounds like there's no real way out In this hellfire that they're facing Is mid-30s

Coming off of this You know Blood clot stuff I don't know how big the package We're having those conversations About about KD And like when he gets traded It's like

How big is the package Going to be for Kevin Wright In the offseason When he's about to turn you know, 38, 39, this is the same thing for, for game. Do I, do I want to give up a massive haul for a, not like a tiny, but like one of the smaller guards in, in, in the league? You want to, you want C.J.

McCallum of Dejante Murray? Okay, so the only team that should be interested. Lose my number. Hey, lookie, I mean, if Dejante didn't tear his fucking Achilles and he was back, I get, that's not, I mean, I don't want Dejante and Yonzo. Why would I, but again, why would I, I'm going to trade this old man who, who. You get two good players instead of one. I don't know.

Now I'm trading for a guy coming off of a ruptured Achilles. No, I'm not going to do that. And Sitchin McCollum who's also getting up their age. I'm not going to do that. I don't know whether the teams would want him, man. The only other team that could like want somebody, D.Miller that I can envision is the Houston Rockets. Kevin Durant for Damian Lillard.

Everybody wins. Damon Lillard, Devin Bukker goes back to having a point guard next time, which is very important. Kevin Durant and Yannis, that's something. Kevin Durant is Johnis is a disgusting dude. It's huge. in the best way possible. Yeah.

Like they're, I don't know, I don't even know how realistic it is. Probably not, but mind you. Now, I can see that happening

only because, again, Matt Ishbia, wild boy. But Dane, Dane, Booker Biel. That's like disgusting.

Dave, you lose their second best defender, bro. Because Brady Biel is not leaving. He said, I'm staying here. Yeah. I'm not just talking.

None of this is realistic. I don't know. I doubt they actually want to trade Dame, but we don't have the answers of what's going to happen, but I have a feeling that,

it won't be good. So while I'm not... With Nick Richards... Oh, Jesus, man. That's even worse. I wouldn't even want to do that. I take no joy in being the bad guy to Bucks fans and telling you I think you might lose your stars or so forth.

I will. Your star is going to request the trade because the one thing that you left out and you talked about it, he said, I want to stay in Milwaukee. Comma. But if I have to go someone else to win a chip, I will. And that's been, that's a major part of what that statement is. And so you can look at it as posturing, but I do think that that is real from Janus. And I do think that, like, we've heard rumblings before.

And the reason why they went out and got Drew Holiday, the reason why they went out and got Dame is because he was talking like this three, four years ago. Yeah. But does Yonis have the patience and also the- Awareness to be like, holy fuck, like, I haven't even given this team in situation a chance. Like, I haven't given him a chance. Dame hasn't given him a chance. Chris Middleton, rest in peace, hasn't given him a chance. He's alive.

Is it fair for someone like Yonis to be irrational to that level? Yes, it is. I don't think so. It is fair because if the bucks went and made some crazy move, like that's their thing. I don't think it would be crazy for Yonis to be in his prime, peak of his powers, playing as great as he is to take extra control of this. career at this point and say and say i have like three to four years of tip top shape left i need to go somewhere where i can absolutely win that's not i'm not looking at that and saying oh he did he did

the the team wrong you got him a chip true you're you're fine let's uh let's take the moment now we've done five teams in the first 49 minutes real quick real quick the one thing that they should do 100% is fire doc ravers he needs to go you can't that's that's one thing you can't do that's one step in the right to right you can't you can't have two you can't have two coaches that you're paying not to cook. And he's not great. The issues are so roster-based, too, that I can't even really tell how good he's been this year.

Like, obviously, fucks fans have specifics, too, know what he's saving the issues they have. So I don't even know if that does anything for you outside of wasting money. Yeah, it's always. I mean, it's into a rebuild for sure. But if they're still trying to keep the same type of core round, I don't even know that does shit for you. Yeah. Okay, let's do a speed round of tanking teams right now before we get back to interesting teams.

Well, yeah, we'll do a speed round. We'll go through the bottom four teams in every conference. We'll give them some time, but we'll, someone won't go through. Oh, got your S ready. God damn. Utah Jazz. Keep mine. Tanking team, but you know, you don't get automatically F for tanking because you want teams

to tank. No, I don't care. It's been embarrassed. Maybe I'll give them a D actually because the only like saving grace for this team is, um, Isaiah Collier, he actually looks like a player who can stick around on this roster for a long time. I'm outside of that. Like, I'm going to shout out to the jazz for getting Collier and with some. with some value towards the end of the first round.

That's a good pick. The guy that they took with the higher pick. Cody Williams is having potentially the worst rookie season in NBA history. Didn't he just go out for the rest of the season due to a cold or something like that? A tanking move obviously. They're like, oh, wow, tanking. I don't get into advanced metrics that much on this, like super advanced just to not like bore audience. If you look at EPM and all the other like impact-based metrics,

he is having by far the worst rookie season of the last 20 years. He is cardio man So I'll go D because they're in the first year of a rebuild Really like they've done this in between stuff The past few years where they are a playing team Then stripping at the end of the year And don't put themselves in the spot to get a top pick And that's always annoying

They're committed They're committed right now They went full tank mode In egregious fashion Lorry marketing is treated like he has Fucking sickle cell He barely plays and they treat Take them off the court every five seconds

Tanking measures You know they're doing everything they need to get Cooper Flag That's a good process So the Young Corps sucks ass right now And it's embarrassing But it's at least a smart thing to do long term So D I'm going to F I'm going enough

I think If the rules were set up to where The worst record Got the best odds That's fine You could be one of the three worst teams Yeah And it would be okay

And you would still have like top odds What they've done this year It's been Pelicans It's been despicable Yeah I see F you have to go F

It's tragic They just straight up got fucked by injuries Yeah Everybody died. Yeah everybody just fucking passed away one by one in a egregious fashion

Zion only got 30 games this year granted part of that now is because tanking he would have got to 40 or so but that didn't go well Herb Jones

missed the whole year shot Trey Murphy looking better is a silver lining his shoulder fell off you trade a band ingram that's a good

silver lining doesn't make you more successful this year so it's a good thing they're getting a silver line that can get a good pick

they are in a position to win they are not in a position to want a tank so it's a silver lining but it was not the intent F out of

pure tragic unluckiness. If I also have an ounce of positivity, at least like Zion is in shape and looks miraculous and you've seen the train Murphy thing, like elevate itself. So if we're going to give a team like the Malkie or the Utah Jazz a D, like they deserve very much a D too because they were just giving the circumstances. So I will give them a D for the sake of like you got shot to death at the start of the season and you somehow figure out a way you're dead. but you missed a headshot

and the headshot is like Zahn's still he looks great right now in the games that he has played obviously shut down and shit like that but he looks great Trey Murphy's there you cleared up room and you are perfectly set up to like actually do real shit

at the start of next year you're right you're right Missy is good too they hit on that pick I think as a rookie but he looks like he'll be good Zion put together a stretch stretch second half of the year post injury before other injury

that he looked like a top 15 player in the world again Tray Murphy got those reps and took a leap We think he'll be It's a pretty good co-star next year Aside of Jezante Which is insanely unlucky to tear your killings After you already give it too much for a guy There's some silver lining

So I'm okay with D Yeah Spurs The trade for Wemby I mean the trade for Fox Wemby gets hurt The 13 C'd have the tank again Low key I'm gonna go B

I think it's a good thing They got to tank again They got Fox is going to be the long term Castle looks like a hit Wemby's a god We don't think he'll be hurt long term with the blood clot shouldn't be a long term issue i think the silver lines make it worth it long term because you got the co-star and you're going to get a good pick b wow very different

grade why give him a d i'll go see i'm i'm still decided but i think i'll go see just just because i actually i will go be they didn't give it much for fox it's a good deal that and that's that's it i will go be because and throughout the summer and even early on i was one of the main ones up here saying you have to be aggressive you see wemby taking the leap don't be you know overly patient doing all this stuff and you went out and you got a you got a co-star you got an all-star in the building to play with wemby do i do i think obviously that it's a successful season no you are not in the in the playing wemby is out for the rest of the season fox listen we saw um his his finger that finger was jacked up he so does his finger in person y'all right before the camera's

cut on it was like y'all want to see my finger it was it was one of the nastiest fingers i've ever seen so you gave me a little preview the interview is not yet first day i know i know but listen well if you're tapped into the episode yeah right you get stuff if you're watching day two or later you would have seen exactly but all all that stuff like that level of process that is good and then even whenever wemby was on was on the floor as much as i was like you are seven-four gate in the paint wemby's full offensive game was on display this year and that's amazing so i'm giving them a beat 50 points on christmas it was magical again i think it's good they i don't think they were good regardless people i think were overhyping them to start the year

they didn't have a ceiling of making a playoff run so i think it's good to get one more really strong young core piece in there when you say overhyping what is overhyping some people were like oh sneaky they're gonna get out the plane like top eight oh top eight is insane people thought they were good because wemby is going to be really good and people it's like a it's a fun thing to project a young team to make that leap they were so far away their roster sucks balls outside of that and i think they needed another year of high pick so i'm glad this happened And it's all working out well long term, I think. Yeah, me personally, I'm going to give them a B earlier in the year before Wembe was out.

And even before De N.R. Fox was, came onto the scene. They were in like the playing race and at Varemontim, with the natural progression of Wembe and then all the other guys around him, having stability in someone like Harrison Barnes, compared to what they had last year, much better. Having stability in something like Chris Paul compared to what they had last year, much better. I saw progression and I saw like a. clear-cut vision, what a top three, two, maybe one player in Wembe would look like with a

stable roster around him. And then on top of that, too, you just double down and traded for a star player in Darren Fox. Now, there are disappointments in Jeremy's game. There's disappointments in Kelden's game and Devon Vassel, but when you have a star player who took a leap and then also you add another star point guard that overlaps everything. I don't care about anything else. This is the longest speed run of all time. Back to the East.

Wizards. Terrible team, 15th in the league. But the Young Corps is making progress. Year 1 of a rebuild. Low key A. Low key A. This is a year one of a rebuild. They're supposed to be horrendous.

All you can hope for is that in year one from your one good pick, you get the silver linings. Yes, it is. This is year one, which is rebuild. No, the rebuild started when they traded away Bradley Bield. So my, my, my, my, my, my. Year 2. What I mean by this is, is they have one draft of a rebuild. Alex R is their first high pick.

So, yeah, wrong verbiage. Okay. This is year two of rebuild coming off a year one when, so what I mean to say is they don't have a deep young core yet. So you can't expect them to be anything other than number 15 in the goddamn league. And you want them to continue to just prioritize development, wins do not fucking matter. What matters is you see stride some of young players. And for a core that's one top pick and a bunch of middle tier to lower picks, they have good

progress there. I think that deserves an A for the standards of a rebuilding team. All right. Okay. I'll go, I'll go A. You do see the signs. You got off of. of, you got off of Kuzma's contract.

And, and you brought in, like, you brought in an actual vet on, on this team, which I think that, like, and we've seen it over and over throughout, like, the lead history and even over the last, like, two, three years, bringing in actual, like, good veterans means a lot for players development. And so now that Chris Middleton is there, like, listen, he's already giving them confidence. He's like, hey, they can be, they could be a playoff team next year. Yeah. That's what you need for them.

Correct. And the fact that he's in the building is good. So I'll go. Hornets. right now this is the rebuilding f that i think you were looking for at the wizards this is a fucking disaster it's all trash i mean you you have a first year it hurts it hurts you have the middle of all who's taking like 23 22 shots of the game they don't look pretty the process just looks horrendous shaking over how like upset i am at charlie oh scum

you mad at charlie were you hot no i was higher on them initially and i'm done oh you were pretty high on them actually i would i was and i was because i was tricked the game into thinking that they could be like a fun sneaky team that they could get back, you know, to the 10 seed or the nine seed or whatever I said that it was. But once again, we leave the season. We have questions about lamella ball. We, Brandon Miller got her. Their other top pick, which on draft night, we all criticized just because of the process in

which they got him, right? Like, nothing has gone well for them. There's no silver lions whatsoever. This is a throwaway year pretty much. you wish this year never happened. This is a very forgettable year. There's not one positive you can walk out. Think about every single element.

Lamello's getting procedures done again. Think about every single element that matters to rebuilding team. Think about personnel by personnel. You got new coach in Charles Lee. Maybe he'll be good. You're one. There's absolutely no culture instilled. Missed so far.

Lamello ball. We're all horrified of building around him as your number one player for availability. And is he even good enough to be the engine because of scoring, we haven't seen him have the good mix of elite playmaking. We know we can with deficient score. boring in any type of way that works outside of the year where they're playing team with a lot of veterans and he was like a young guy filling in around a good structure with him being the guy in the engine where we have questions brandon miller didn't get to develop because he got hurt tjohn

salon looks like one of the worst players in the league we'll give him time he's a rookie uh mark williams we thought was promising we all kind of liked him you trade him and then they give him back because he's broken and they're scared now he has no value forever and you're stuck with him when you clearly signaled you don't want him that much there is is no silver lining they don't have a young piece that's really shining despite all this and the young piece was terran's man who was traded for last year and he got hurt earlier in the season too so all that shit is murked no silver lining it feels like you're at stage one of a rebuild and we don't even know if any of these pieces besides brandon miller are going to be here long term

and brandon miller we're giving credit for being young he again he couldn't develop so we still are waiting to see him get good we think he will but you're robbed of that opportunity so his we're giving credit and it's all theoretical right now i hate this team f let's now the only way i'm gonna give him a d actually so because i got eric collins bro and he will make anything entertaining he'll make anything entertaining 76ers gigantic f this is this is like what we said with the pelicans where you get fucked by injuries can see you're f double fia yeah toss him go ahead you want all three here give him there you go this is so detrimental though because when you have an infip caliber player in Joelle and Beed, whose years are limited.

To lose one, terrible. And to lose one in a fashion that makes us think we'll never seek good Joelle and Beat ever again because his body's done, terrible. To have that happen, as soon as you sign Paul George to a four-year fucking contract and in year one, he looks cooked, and you're stuck with it for three more years

at gigantic money. Cooked, cooked, cooked. It's not just a loss of a year. It's a loss of a window. It's over. We have the hope they can retool it around their young guards who we have a lot of hope in and Maxie and McCain. But that's not a sure thing

that it goes well because, you're stuck with these two big contracts for these two seemingly washed stars outright disaster it rivals the mavericks disaster bro they're gonna pay paul george and joll and beat like 300 million like 350 million dollars over over the next three years for them to be just unavailable and bead he's he has a procedure it's either scheduled or he already got it right paul george he's been in and out the lineup the podcast is in and out like everything is just in turmoil there they just shut down maxi for the rest of the year like yeah and even before that maxi only played maxi played 52 games this year yeah yeah and again i take no joy in telling you it's over

sixers fans you guys know by now we're not we're being dead horse i do i still hate you guys from the playoffs last year it's over your future is not bright at all it's very very bleak it's very And the ounce of brightness that they did have and Jared McCain was snatched away earlier in the year and he was going to be runaway rookie of the year. And just to see him with her way as well, it is just so sad. So there's nothing to hang around on the series. I'm not a Knicks fan. I don't hate Joelle and Bede.

I actually love Jewel and Bede. And I've since over the past couple years, I've grown to respect the hell out of him and his peak and what it means some of all time, like legendary perspective. Like he is one of the most talented players you've ever seen. It makes me unbelievably sad that it's probably just over, that the run is cooked, that we will probably never see him play at an MVP level ever again for a sustained period of time.

I find that to be heartbreaking as an NBA general fan. I'm sure as a Sixers fan, you are fucking looking out the window and questioning your fandom, questioning life, so this is a tough one. This is an F plus.

What's the next team? So sad. The Brooklyn Nets. I also fucking F. Three Fs in a row, you enter your one of a rebuild and you don't tank all the way. You trade to get your pick back

and you give up valuable sons picks that are going to be amazing picks you don't trade cam johnson to do a good team you run with the culture you're trying to build and you have like the eighth best odds in a year where you should be trying to get the first best odds it's fucking malpractice of a process they failed

like they just don't they they see the assignment and they ran away from it they chose the road less traveled and it's less traveled for a reason it's fucking dumb to do what you're doing oh my god what are you doing you're happy to establish a culture listen man go out and win some games

Not, it's hard, and you've won me. It's hard. This is a Cam Thompson. Cam, Thompson thing. Listen, imagine showing up to work every day and just knowing you're going to be a loser today. Like, that's hard. You see what this is. We interview Cam Johnson, and he felt real heartfelt, Thomas felt the process.

And how much he respects Jordy Fernandez, he got to Donovan. Not to me. I won't tell Cam Johnson because he's having a good time talking about how much he loves the culture. I don't believe. I don't like tank. It's dumb as fuck. I don't like, I don't like tank. You got to take at least a little bit.

And if you're going to tank halfway and year one, of rebuild, at least do one year tanking full. Go get Dylan Harper and then do your culture building shit. Who's their future? Who are they building around? Nick Claxton? God. Cam Thomas? God. Oh, fuck. It's getting bleak out here. Shout out Zaire Williams. They've found some diamonds in the rough.

They're bringing up and doing what they need to do to make them valuable and find good development pieces. That part isn't bad. But this is what you should be doing in year three and four of a rebuild, not year one. Shout out to Trent and Wofford. I love your game and watch you for a minute. But brother, he is not. He's not the guy. You shouldn't be...

It would be huge shots of Trenton Wofford if he was playing next to Dylan Harper or Cooper Flag. Now he's going to be playing next to, I don't know, Trey Johnson. We'll get a good player, but we won't get anybody that's going to change our franchise. I need the next to move up in the lottery. If that happens, then fuck it.

Do what you want, I guess. Never mind. Biggest outstanding up, though, is like, yeah, they have one of the hottest comades, had one of the hottest commodities in the trade, around the trade deadline, and he's at the peak of his value, best player that he's ever been in his,

career and you just let him sit on your roster. It's tough. Last one, Raptors. They trade for Ben and Ingram. You have a rough year from your core where Emmanuel quickly doesn't play basketball anymore. Hardrie Bear has a good year. Scotty Barnes has a disappointing year. As a score, I think, kind of shows us that he needs a good environment around him. He needs to be a complimentary star next to another star. Kind of lose the faith of him being the go-to score for the team. And, I don't know, it's a mixed bag. They have a good coach. They have a decent culture. And they trade for Banningham. We'll see you guys feel about that. They have decent odds.

They're actually right above the nets, so they don't have great odds. But they have more pieces so you don't necessarily need to get that top guy. So you can have varied opinions here, I think. I still need to see more from them. I'm leaning towards C. Me too. Because I'm not sure. Branden was a very good player.

I don't know how immaculate that fits going to be. But more so I want to take my attention towards like the manual quickies of the world who missed a chunk of time as well. And he was a very important trade piece just the last season. and for this to be year two and not really knowing if he is going to be like the lead guard alongside Scottie Barnes is tough now again like they did trade for renting room which is a great trade overall especially for the value but I'm just like I'm spotty on them I think things will be better they did what they could do is just like the when it comes to what I expect for this team to like really solidify me and like sell me into their future is their guard play and I just haven't seen that with Emmanuel quickly. Yeah, the quickly stuff, it makes me nervous because they already gave him the money, which is kind of wild. And so it's like you've already committed $175 million to quickly. And we're still having these questions after the second year, you know, year and a half of him being on your team.

I wish, like you said, I wish I had a little bit more clarity about the guy that we just gave this massive contract to. So that, that sucks. But we kind of know, like Scottie Barnes, not going to be option 1A offensively going out and getting a brandon ingram who again is a is a really good player like yes he did not fit next to next to zion that's fine he can still go go out there get you 23 24 and him being you know the quote unquote like bucket getter alongside scotty barnes like that that forward duel it should be interesting at the very least next year and so just getting talent in the building also is it's good for them so i'll go

Yeah. Okay, that's our wrap up of the tanking teams in both conferences. Let's go back to teams that matter and deserve more than two minutes of discussion. Even though that was the longest speed round of all time, everybody really got the discussion they deserved. Where are you up artists, bro. What do you expect? It's going to be a three and a half hour episode. That's what it is. We're grading every team. It's a big one. Houston Rockets. To me, this is an easiest grade. Resounding A. A plus plus. I mentioned the Cavs have the best season of the year when you talk about, you know, long-term outlook. What was at stake, yada, yada? The Rockets. pockets are second, I think, pretty easily. Like, this is, not just an overachieving team, a massively overachieving team. Us up here all, we had our questions, but we overall liked what they were cooking, right? We liked the collection talent they have. We all project them to be around the playing range this year. So we thought they'd be more competitive than past years where they were vying for top three picks in the league. But we thought more competitive meant playing race, maybe sneak into seven if you're lucky, whatever. None of us in our wildest dreams thought they'd be the fucking two seed for an entire year where they still have the offensive

issues that we foresaw, right? None of us were wrong about their offense. We were right as hell. But they had the most dominant defense in the league for most of the year. They went in the most unique style. They get it out the mud. They find a way to not really conform to modern NBA norms of playing a certain way. They do what their talent deserves. They win with offensive rebounds. They went with transition with good coaching, good maximization of who they have. It's such a perfect season for them. That is the, they are the definition of maximizing, bro, because they fully lean on the defensive and obviously due to the personnel

and also outrunning everyone bro if you you may you don't have to have like the best shooters in the way you don't have to have fucking the best like passers and facilitators in the world they don't have that but they do have like easily I don't I don't I don't know what number to put on it but they have two of the top

10 most athletic players that the NBA has to offer and then after that as well like every other player on their roster just scales well athletic man, seeing them lean into that way, beat the shit out of everyone on the offensive boards and whatnot, creating and cooking the most wonderful masterpieces of like playing Stephen Adams and Alfred Sengoon together. Like, who would have thought that shit would have worked, bro? And they used it well.

It was a good coach that knows how to use it when it's good and not when it's bad. Like I said, they got a good season of Adams. Sangoon got better defensively. Offensively, we're still waiting for a little bit. But the defense got better and that's what matters long term. Jalen Green is still not, in our opinion, like a future. future star, but he definitely got better. He's definitely improving. Whatever that nets out to, maybe we're wrong, it becomes a star, maybe not. Whatever it nets out to,

he's making improvements. Ament Thompson is clearly going to be an all-star. Like, we think this guy is going to be one of the fucking ones. People are saying he's the best athlete in the goddamn NBA, maybe all time. People are having those conversations right now because he's ridiculous. We all believe he'll be a star. The only thing that hasn't gone well for them is Reed Shepard hasn't gotten the minutes to have a good rookie year. He just doesn't fucking play. He plays 11 minutes a game and it's been a disaster. Guess what? Don't care. Yeah. I don't care. It's rookie for a guy. It's rookie for a he doesn't play so like he hasn't really had a chance not much to learn from that that's the only

thing that hasn't gone well everything else has been absolutely perfect this team we have five games left and this is a team that has had like a six game losing streak like an an extended losing streak they're already at 50 wins this year amazing which is crazy so i'm giving them in a also yesterday i saw this houston rockets and uh i saw houston rockets Tyler the creator edit what's on crown eater to poor bruh I forget the song. Was it the dad song? It was about like post-harden?

No, no, no. Okay. But I saw the edit. I bought it. I bought it. Brother, if you would have told me that the Houston Rockets would win 50 games this year, I would assume, damn, bro. This is like the most treacherous injury road NBA season we've ever had.

Yolkis Taurus, A-C-L. Something that happened is Steph Curry. LeBron and 80s out, bro. Oh, my God. I don't know what to hang my head on. Some happened to say too. Holy fucking these guys I just easily trailed. way into the second seat. So you say that. I would have assumed either one, Jalen Green became

6-5 Donovan Mitchell, and he's a top 15 player and we were all horrendously wrong. Or I would have assumed that Sangoon is now DeMonte Sabonis or better and is like made this offensive leap to be this crazy passer. He's shooting came around offensively. He's a demon. Neither one of those things are fucking true. And they still found the way to do this. It's a coaching, just generational coaching performance, team building masterclass of everything around your stars and doing like one and two really look at all the playoff teams it might have the most underwhelming one and two in the playoffs

but three through ten is goddamn dominant and that is a just cool roster building construction because one and two can still get better and when those pieces come around and become their prime version themselves if they're as good as Rockets fans hope their ceiling is going to be outrageous you know what I'm realizing also really quick the edit was to St. Chroma

I'm realizing that this is one of the toughest coach of the year races that we've seen in a little bit like you actually have to have a conversation because in any other like normal we're here you may bro you don't can't take this big you're right it should be it's not though it's Kenny Atkinson he's going to win twice yeah for sure yeah he may is a very deserving number two though

like he could win one in most years is what you're saying that's for sure facts you know someone else who could win one no not well he's very good as well switching up to the other conference the fucking Detroit Pistons run jb bicker staff and see he's had I believe I saw some stat on twitter saying that the Detroit Pistons

had were last year compared to This year, they've had easily the biggest turnaround in just a calendar over year, bro. Them going from, they had a 30-some loose, losing streak last year, bro. 30 straight losses. That's insane. That's hard. The most of all time. Not only were they bad, they were the biggest losers in NBA history for a calendar season.

That's insane. It's ridiculous. And I think Donovan went to go tinkle. I was laughing a little bit. Tinkle time. He just went out in the dead of night. But yeah, spoiler alert A.

A, right, as loud as fuck A plus And I'll just wait for Donovan too He'll go ahead and going to A. It's an A. A similar conversation to the Rockets, right? Everything that could go well Kind of has gone well. Cade was in Pistons fans' eyes

underrated last year. Pistons fans will tell you that he's been good that the team was so bad that won the spacing made it hard for him to be because he could be and people just weren't paying attention because when you lose 30 games in a row, people's eyes gloss over and they stop thinking about you

and even if your players put up numbers who gives a fuck you're the biggest loser of all time we're not going to take you seriously as a star right understandable I think part of that probably is true I'm sure we up here are we're not above biases right we may be overlooked Kate especially in the second half of the season when he made improvements that I know we overlooked a little bit

how old you single time it was good yeah yeah you feel loose you feel you wash your hands yes I wash my hands let me fill your hands he didn't watch this time He did watch it No, get away from me Just pick up your things

We don't need to sanitize This motherfucker afterwards What's your take about The Detroit Pinsons? I told him that you I'm about to curse All right he wants to Like I was saying

That is true But also Kate has gone Stop playing with me On camera man You've done it so many times Relight This man has the fittest scale Yeah

But like I said All that's true about Cade being Probably underrated last year but also he's a lot better this year he's so much better at handling double teams his playmaking his processing speed is making huge jumps his in between scoring

while the efficiency isn't high his ability to weather high usage and lead consistent offense and maintain that efficiency is better it's more impressive he's meaningfully better your core is developing you have veterans in the room

a good coach in there now everything has gone well dude just last year I believe or maybe it was at the start of the season I said that you know they were in a rebuild for the longest time. And I said that they have almost nothing to show for it. They have almost nothing to show for it.

And this year. That wasn't crazy. Yeah, exactly. And this year, everything started to change. And I give a lot of credit to J.B. Bakerstaff as well. He's been Emacken and he's been a very good culture center, bro. He sees the chore and he fully embraces what they are, what they should be historically in the league was just like the biggest assholes for fucking no reason at all. But seeing like Isaiah Stewart, although.

like we all know when we say as a steward you know what you see him as just a fucking bull who sees red all the fucking time or has beef with anybody who's ever existed on the planet of earth but he's actually like he's been killing it this year very good defensively fantastic defensively bro he's been put in like the right positions to thrive and he's actually like helped give in this team a real identity and seeing guys like malik beasley come out the woodworked tobias harris who just is consistent at being consistently mad which is all they need bro you know what a crazy compliment it's fantastic bro this is what this is what this team needs i know it's not even back in it it's just straight up a smack but it's the truth and that's what's needed

for this team bro yeah and listen to sarah's making great strides coming back from those injuries and blood clot issues he's looked really good Ron Holland is seems to be a hit of a pick we need talk about jilland during second half of the year jalen durin's looking a lot better than he did the first half of the year we were kind of worried about him I was not shy about it I was like dude he has to show us that he can play a defense and that he's anything more than just a catch-lobs guy as a one-way player

he's moving his feet better he looks like his IQ is developing well in the defensive end the scoring is back up a little bit overall good development maybe he'll be the long-term guy next to Cade we'll see what's the downside

what's the flaw this season for them there is no flaw there's no flaw resounding it they might they might win a playoff series that is crazy to say you're right

that's crazy to say It could be, but like, I mean, Milwaukee might be in that six-bine, so they, you know, the next might play them. But if it's, if it's Detroit, Indiana in the first round and Detroit comes out on top, it wouldn't be, it wouldn't be insane. Like, to hear the words like Detroit is winning a playoff series to me, if you would have told me that at the start of the year, I'm like, yo, again, the Easter conference completely died. But man, like, they really made that level of stride and leap this year, which is they were so important. Bad last year. Well, these crumbs did kind of die, by the way. But they were so bad last year.

Like, Wingstops started to distance themselves. Like, yo, people were going hungry in the streets of Detroit. Because you can get five free wings if they won. Nobody ate for a month. For two months, nobody ate wings in Detroit because the Pistons were that bad. And now we're talking about them winning a playoff series. I love that for them. Wingstop had to distance themselves.

It's insane. I love it. What's the next team out West? Donovan, what's the next team? We'll go with the Golden State Warriors, the team that's on the screen right now. Cool. Keep the game on. Let's see.

I will go with the name. I'll go. I'll start off horrendously. It was, oh, my God, the team is cooked. The dynasty is dead beyond repair. It does not matter. Steph has no help. He looks like he's taking a step back because he has no help at all.

But they got him help. Dennis Schroeder. They got Dennis Schroeder. And they flipped his ass for the next help. They got Jim Butler, who has not just like fix the issues. completely transformed the outlook like from zero to 100 in the truest sense of the phrase

we were talking about them as like maybe being the third scariest team out West now when they were the goddamn 11th scene before they got them that's a mixed bag do we just view the end product here similar to the Lakers

I think yeah you absolutely have to view like the end product given like all they went through throughout the entirety of the year like Moses Moody still coming off of the bench bro them experimenting with LAMS with Jonathan Mingen

and Jermon Green starting. Like, through all the adversity and seeing them finally come to light and all the soldiers in lining, everyone knows how many minutes are playing pretty much on a night-to-night basis. There is like a line in charge. And Jimmy Bowler, I think that I saw, I saw a stat. They're like 18 and two since Jimmy Bowler has been there. Now, of course, their schedule is their schedule.

They have to play who's ahead of them. I'm not giving them any flag for that. But that's impressive, bro. They're actual contenders. I don't know if they're championship contenders, but everyone should be scared to face them. No, they, okay, well, one, you can't, you can't say the actual contenders and then say, I don't know if they're champion. Well, I think I'm like, but, so one, I do think that they are actual contenders. And that A plus, the A, that isn't A.

If you believe they can win the championship or come out west at the very least or even made the conference finals to challenge the Thunder, they are in a. Okay, and I write their contenders, yeah. And it's because of the Jimmy Butler trade and subsequently, Because of that trade, you got the resurgence of Steph Curry. Steph was looking very, very overtaxed at the beginning of the year. And now we're seeing Steph Curry look free again. He's looking like Steph Curry. Stuff Curry just had 50 points the other night, right?

Like he and it looked effortless for everything that he was doing. So now that you have your superpower back and you have Steph Curry who can go super saying, that's awesome for them. So that's what I'm giving them a day. Okay. Have we given a single B yet? Everything's been like F or A. Oh, I've been giving B's up and right.

I gave the number of it to B. Oh, you're right, right. Okay, my bad, my bad. We're just on a good stretch right now of highs and lows. Yeah. But yeah, and what else is good is they also, you know, so many dumb-ass warriors fans were like, don't trade for Jimmy, don't give up the future, don't mortgage your future. They didn't fucking have to.

They gave up some assets, but nothing insane. You kept all your second timeline, Young Corps. You didn't give up a ton of picks. If this doesn't work out, let's say it goes the worst-case scenario. and Jimmy Buller ends up leaving the team and however long because it flames out, it's crazy. Not just chaos, right? You can still do the rebuilds you wanted to do

and bet on whoever you wanted on before this trade. That future timeline is barely affected, so we got Steph Curry to have a chance to make a splash in the playoffs and we maintained the future that you guys covet so much. Whether that feature is which make it up to be, doesn't matter. This is me, Donald Gimmigo.

I haven't even talking about him, but yeah. The only bad part of the season is you haven't got in the Kamingal leave you wanted. But with Jimmy Butler, shit barely matters. You can bench coming up for permanently for the playoffs and you'd be fine. So, hey. Hey.

Yeah. Next team. Let's go back east. Let's go to the Celtics. The Celtics are obviously defending champs. So kind of an interesting way to grade them because you're viewing it off somebody who, the only goal for the season is to put yourself in position to take your learnings from the championship year and do it again. And, you know, they had their injury issues.

They had slumps for some key players. Drew Holiday has a shot as well as did last year. Jalen Brown started the season off shooting really poorly. He's rebounded since. Jason Tannum is having an amazing year and KP is still up and down injury-wise. But overall, I mean, they're kind of in position to do it again. I'm kind of thinking A. And my mind, I have no reason to give them less than an A.

Like I see this is the best version of Jason Tainer that I've ever seen in my goddamn life, bro. Although, like, Jalen Brown's not having outlandish, fantastic, or normal Jalen Brown year, everything else looks pretty much the same. And I have no reason to give them lower than A. Yeah, they had a bit. mid-season low a little bit where I was like, why isn't we talking about the fact that there's not as good as it were last year? And they're still not as good as they were last year. But that's coming from a perspective of they, like I said earlier in the show, they were one of

the best teams of all time last year. You're not going to rekindle that every single year, especially in the regular season as a defending champ. That's okay when you talk about gray and their long-term outlook for the season. They are right now, Chris House Prozingis is back. He's playing pretty good basketball. When he's back, you say, oh, fuck, how are you going to beat them if you're not to okay see thunder they're in a different world it's just them in the thunder right so they're back at the right time they're in position to do the run again we all feel like they have a little bit of an edge over the calves even though it's going to be a close series what else could you ask for uh i could ask for if we're talking about the season as a whole again you had

kristops in and out the lineup drew holiday hasn't been as great as he was last year jalen brown the same thing you not like have your chain snout but you didn't have the best regular season. I think in terms of, again, in terms of just regular season, I think that they probably could have performed a little bit better. Now, ultimately, will it matter? And when we get to June, will their entire season be defined by what happens right now? No, this team is defined by what happens in the playoffs.

And so I think that they can have a B regular season and still make the finals, still win the finals and do all that stuff. I just think that there's been a lot of times where you've had a lot of questions for lack of a better term about what the Celtics were doing and about their kind of process. So they could have been a little bit better this season. So I'll give them a beef. I agree. But like I think it's a high standard. Yeah.

And I understand that. But that's fair. But again, you judge we've given teams A's because of the expectations and because of their standard. I think it's the same for the Celtics. I think naturally they're not going to, every regular season. won't be as dominant last year. Let's say they maintain a championship window and they win some more chips. Every regular season won't be as dominant as the craziest regular season of all time. Even those teams that are up there, like the 96 Bulls have the second highest net rating

now because the Thunder might pass them for one. Or number one, I know. Notice there's only one bull team in that top five, despite them winning six chips, right? Every regular season can't be the peak of your regular season performance, even if you're still in a championship window. So while I've been saying, let's recognize the fact that cats can beat them. It's very possible. That doesn't mean the season isn't like what you need from a defending champ you know like that's more about the calves than it is the Celtics a natural step back a little bit in the regular season it's kind of inevitable doesn't mean it's a poor performance to me yeah i think i would lean towards beat if i saw something in the process like absolutely broken like let's say if we saw jillan brown

have a type of year that bam had a bio was having earlier in the season where he just like completely regressed and he's not even looking like an all-star form of himself that is fucking scary and thing in the system is actually broken, bro. But nothing's broken. Gen Brown's not having the best season. But, like, you see guys, like, Peyton Pritchard, like, evolving and being an actual fundamental piece of this team instead of, like, a special teams player, special teams merchant, and noticing.

And you have Derek White still doing this thing, shooting hyper-officials on three-point line and all that. Like, there's nothing that tells me or worries me about this team in the playoffs other than, like, maybe health, which every team has to do. with. Okay, let's go to the other side of this game that's on right now. The Miami East. Ew.

They, you know, they fucking trade Jimmy Butler. And now they don't have much to build around, see if they retool the summer. But, I mean, Tyler here, I made an all-star team. So that's, it was a good season for him. He got a lot better. None of us up here thought he'd be an all-star. So that's impressive. Bam's bounced back.

Where seems to be a good hit. But now they don't have Jimmy Butler. And I don't think what they got back from him is very impressive. Didn't in the moment. I guess I'll go D. I mean, I will only go decently because at least you have an officer this year and Bam out of Biles looking better. Now, do I think that'll lead to anything? I don't know, but it's just based off of this season.

Exactly. Yeah. Their future outlook isn't good, but it didn't get like some teams here. The future outlook is really fucked and it's the result of what happened this year. And I guess it is too. Trade Jimmy brother is why their future outlook is fucked. So I guess that's fine. But there's some silver lines.

I still have some good players that have made positive momentum where seems like he'll be a good player. I think D is fair. Why do you want to go F? I'm going to F because you're like, yes, Hero made like a leap forward this year. Ben Metabio was supposed to be the guy for this team. And his up and down season was a little bit weird. But it's up now. Fair.

I also think that you were able to get away with a lot of the roster building choices that you were over the last three to four years because you had Jimmy Butler, who was there to carry your team in the play. else and get you the spaces that you weren't necessarily supposed to be in. And not only did you trade him, the fallout was messy and it was nasty. And you have this entire aura of heat culture. I have no idea what that means anymore. I have no idea if that exists right now. And it feels like if not this year, the next year, everyone will kind of, you know, recognize that whatever heat culture is, it's gone.

It has to shift because the moves that Pat Ryan has made over the last two to three years or non-moor is seriously affecting this team and so now like yes you have a lot of continuity and their exposure is fantastic and it's and it's awesome i don't know pat riley is in a position right now that is going to help this team get better over the next two to three years i see i hear get better and i'm watching chris anderson minutes bro this is so i say chris kyle anderson minutes i was like what the fuck yeah but yeah so i'm going i'm going because it feels like the foundation of everything that they build in terms of defeat culture that foundation even if it's not completely broken it is shaken and i think that that's actually

a really big thing for a team that prides itself on its culture like miami yeah all right man tough sorry miami i don't even know there's such a like i don't know what is there even to think like they don't have to be butler anymore now they have less good players we'll see how they get more good players i don't know like it's such a nothing of a conversation i feel like Yeah, it is so, it's a boring conversation to have because They're boring-ass team. Yeah, one-dimensional. All right.

Minnesota Timberwolves, they obviously, in the summer, traded Carlinthead towns away from the team. Their franchise cornerstone for the last decade is gone. Now it's fully revolved on Anthony Edwards, and they're trying to retool with his depth perspective with Nas Reid, Nikola Alexander Walker, Dante DiVincenzo, Rudy Gobert, and Julius Randall as like the core around him. And Mike Conno, right? start of the season was horrible we're all questioning the fit we were scared no we had a little bit of faith that they'd be good we picked them all to be around the four seed we thought the depth would

pay off it did not at first it was a horrendous fit with julies randall we were all like frightened to say the least we were all like fucking riding on their tombstone saying rip they at the edwards window for the next three years right we were as dumer as you could possibly be and since then the second half of the year they've turned it around julius randle's a lot more comfortable honestly i think they've kind of become that team we expected to be the four seed where donce de vincenza would help a lot with the shooting and they'd have enough depth to offset the talents of carlsey towns they're closer to that now but what does that get you how do you feel about that still what do you do i mean when it comes to i give them a B overall because when it comes to what they wanted you

at the end of day which is save money while maintaining like a certain level of legitimacy like they hit that they would if they would have started this year off with like jada McDaniels clearly showing that leap, I would give them the fucking A because this team will be much better. Julius Randall, again, like, was playing this style of basketball earlier in the year, then again, I would give them an A. But because it took them so long to figure it out and it was for so long, just so much of a displeasure to watch Minnesota basketball.

Displeasure is a perfect way to describe it. Yeah, exactly. Like, I will give them a A. But they recalibrated it a lot. Nasreid is Nasreid. And Jada McDaniels, I keep on saying his name. his like continuous leap offensively changes mountains and then on top of the two of course the natural things like dante divincers are providing his spacing and um rob dillingham being a good

pick and an actual playable rookie was big for them so i give them to be yeah i think be in terms of what was the goal for this year is fine i still feel kind of dubious about their long-term outlook because you know the people that say the deal was smart and good okay they do it because they say the flexibility is so elite now. They can make moves. And I just don't, I've never for a second understood what they expect to happen with that flexibility. You have Gobert for multiple years. He took a step back this year. He's still an elite defender. Not quite best defender in the world anymore, I think. And, you know, he's only getting older. Julius Randall is probably going to opt into his contracts. You have him for next year. Nasreid and Nikolajana Walker are both free agents,

right? They're going to pay Nasreid for sure. Nikolajaner Walker, let's see if he gets priced out. What is his flexibility? What are they going to do besides maintain these guys and just have this slightly lesser version of what they had last year like are they talking trades like they can make a trade for another star eventually are they i don't even like flexibility in terms of having more players instead of cat you have an extra guy and don't see d'i vincenzo and randall like in my mind i feel like i'm being gassed a little bit maybe i just don't understand i think the i think the the flexibility is an acknowledgement that you're not going to win a title with julius randall because if you if you did right or even if you thought that you could

win a title with with cat there you would go all in you would pay the luxury tax and you would you would you would go for it it's the same thing here where you know that you have you know that you have aunt you know that go bear especially like coming into the season you know that go bears is getting older and you want to protect yourself to be able to do something two three years down the line and so you're not necessarily prioritizing what's happening right now so that's that's where i think it is but i also think that for a lot of fans who think that you know you're You're not winning a chip with Julius Randall and an aunt being the one or two on this team. That's not happening.

Yeah. And so you just want to be in position to – I feel like everybody just wants to be in position to where when the next, like, star, the next top five guy, you know, request a trade or whatever. You want to be in position to go out and get that. And if that's what they're talking about, okay, they are better position than trade for a star, I guess. But I don't know. I just feel like – Katie. That's what I was – Maybe.

I was leaning towards what I'm like, yeah, they're trying to prepare for something like that to happen. Okay. If that's the answer, I'll take it. I just feel like that it hasn't been clear. I feel like I just heard so much like the flexibility, but we have to pay two key players this summer, which means, I guess it means the flexibility to pay those guys where before maybe you couldn't pay either of them.

But I'm like, I don't know. I mean, I'd rather have cat and does read. I don't know. But if you mean you keep all these guys and we have the flexibility to find the next guy to pair and the future, okay, fair enough. Yeah, exactly. I think I value the flexibility of that

rather than the inevitable of what a cat Rudy Gobert and Anthony Edwards-led team would give you on a 19 or yearly basis. Yeah. And again, listen, and the model's working out, right? They're a pretty good team again second half of the year. Julius Randall's looking better and better. I do have faith that can win a first-on series, which I wouldn't have said early in the year. Against the right matchup, I fully believe they can win a series.

So B is fair. It's a good, successful season for them. I agree. And Anthony Edwards is making a leap, too. He's a top-ten player now. Like, he was, like, fringe before. You could say that people were overrating him and really going off of one playoff run. I think he's undoubtedly a top 10 player now.

No, he's the best shooting guard in the league for sure. Yeah. I mean, that was stamped, at least for me, that was stamped in the offseason or in the playoffs last year. And then in three months to come back and be one of the best shooters in the league, that is a, that's a crazy jump. Like, people work their whole careers and can't get to, you can't get to 60, 75% of what he's become this year. So that, that jump is, it's been amazing. Okay. Perfect.

then Indiana Pacers what do we want to do with them they are like we're talking about these teams that had these epic highs epic lows they had all these question marks they're kind of just the Pacers like obviously Tyreys Halliburne had a fucking horrible start to the year it's what they want to be

they did have epic load or yeah like sure that was the epic low wasn't even that epic though team perspective like Tyrese his PR was in the goddamn toilet it was only 15 games or so he bounced back he's Tyre's Halliburton again extremely good won the best playmakers protectors of the ball premier point guard there once again

currently I think the four seed they are the Pacers. I just feel like that's a solid beast season. Yeah, they deserve a beat. I mean,

you are the Pacers. Miles Turner is doing Miles Turner things. Pascal Seacum is continuously one of the better two-way players in the league. Yeah, bro. Like,

I don't have too much to say about them. They are who I thought they were and they've done nothing to make me be like, oh shit. Like, they deserve an A plus. Like, Bennett and Mathrimson and Swore from the skies

or Aaron Lee Smith like took a league. Like, they've done nothing like that. Yeah. Tyrese Halliborne has been who we thought he could be over the last, like, few years. And they also done nothing to, like, tremendously fall off as well. So there would be. Obviously, every year we do a prediction before the season starts, you know, we're going to get plenty of them fucking wrong, plenty of them right.

I ended up picking them at six and the match at seven. First two weeks of season, I was so scared. That was going to age horrendously. That was what I wasn't feel worse about because I didn't feel good about it in the moment. I'm so glad the patience bounce back, man. I'm so glad that it embarrassed me and finish below the 17. I would have hated that. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, I was so low on them. And I put him at 6, so I was also too low on them. Oh, actually, no, it wasn't. It's really just, it's really just like the fucking... I bought into... The 76ers just died. Yeah, I bought into Philly at 5.

Yeah, the 6th and bucks died, so that's a difference. But I would go... I would actually go B-plus for them just because there was a lot of, I guess, like, uncertainty about, about Tyrese and, like, whether or not he can be... the like get back to just a you know fairly like competent level the fact that tyrese halliborne is playing at the level that he has this year i don't even care about what we saw in the in season tournament and honestly looking at the way he's performing now and and the way he performed then it makes me feel good knowing at least there's a there's like a level

that he can get to for three weeks yeah you know rather than he's just going to be a middle of the pack guard yeah if if tyrese gets locked in for two weeks for three weeks in a in a playoff series the paces could do something and so i i feel better about that now so i think him returning to that form and him being you know one of their franchise players that's that's a b plus for me i love terry taverns game man since he bounced back from that insanely bad scoring stretch and he's back to having confidence driving to the rim being his normal efficient self he's back to averaging like 20 points your game on 64% true shooting just being the modern version of these old school point guards that didn't score 30 like the trucus

of the world, the prime trainings of the world, right? They aren't gunning like that. They're really focusing on playmaking, making quick, positive decisions that doesn't jeopardize the ball, doesn't turn it over too much, just leads to effective offense every time down the court, efficiently as a score, efficiently as a passer, is beautiful to see. You don't see much that in the modern NBA. Like, it's truly Chris Paul, Steve Nash style of play. Now he's not those guys as a score, obviously, so he's never going to be that good.

But he's cut from a traditional point guard cloth that you don't get to see very often anymore. Yeah, I agree. I really, really, really want to see him play with. with like a top five player in the league one day. Well, top five big specifically. Him and Janus would be amazing. I was just about to say that him and yonis would be a disgusting duo. And Tyreys Heilberg's game,

I don't think offensively can be negated in any way if you put him with alongside any force in NBA, really, bro. Him and Tatum would be beautiful too. Oh, him and Tatum would be gorgeous. Oh, my God. He's drooling. Wipe it off your mouth. Him and Anthony Davis?

Ah! Him and Anthony Edwards, bro. Give me any play finisher that needs a little release valve A guy to organize offense for him And a good score to play off of Tyrese And not put the onus on him to be the late game score And wait a minute, I don't know what's ever going to happen Because he seems to be Indiana for life

And Indiana doesn't move like that Getting those type of guys Man, it'd be glorious Yeah, he's Indian for life Him and Wemby, oh I can keep going Really any good player You can fit for Tyrese and fucking anybody

Literally any star player in the room Which is value Who's the worst fit in the league For Tyrese Alibaldon Um, defensively that Tray Young. Tray. They're fine.

It's Tray. Trey, Le Mello. Any guy who plays like Tyrese a little bit. Yeah. Trey Yon and Tyrese together would be comical. Yeah. Just blow, just blow, vibe to blow,

yeah, yeah. Okay, let's move over to the other team I just mentioned, though. It brings you no joy to say this. What is we're going to grade the magic season? Another season is from hell that's pretty much derails from injuries. They start off really strong. Five games into the season,

Palo Ben Carroll gets hurt. Fifteen games in the season, Franz Wagner gets hurt. They both deal with the oblique injuries. In separate times, they both look like all-stars this year. Especially Franz, well, both of them, but it's especially surprising with Franz as somebody who hasn't really played an all-star level. But when Palo Bancaro was out, he was 24 points per game, like six assists, six rebounds,

pretty efficient for his standards, made that leap, fantastic defender. We hadn't seen him get back to that level with Palo Bancair in the lineup. During March basketball, Palo Van Carrol lit it up like Jalen Green. He was also player of the month. he looked insane got back to the elite rim scoring got back to being a just monster at the free throw line

looks like he's making that leap we thought we'd make in those first five games so that's positive but the season you know this is a team that should be winning games and they're not put all these factors together you got a good stretch from Franz

a great stretch from Palo right now but no team success Suggs is gone you'd feel horrible about the shooting still what does that take you it still takes me to enough because because even because one obviously like the season the season's lost because both of not only did both of them

get hurt jalen sugs also also got hurt as well and then even whenever you had palo and franz on the floor why are you still struggling to score like why is the offense that bad and i try to i try my absolute best to give them as much time and as much grace is absolutely possible and it's just not there like there's there's games where it's it looks painful for them to play offense and i like that that in itself is a major major problem that they that those two guys as skilled as they are can't figure out right now how to how to play next to each other and so i'm going i'm going i'm going d only because the the fronds emergence not even yes so that too sure Palo Ben Carrow in March.

I keep in mind, it's March basketball. You're playing a lot of tanking teams. But regardless, I've been very vocal about what I want to see from Palo Ben Caro and that I haven't seen it yet. Obviously, everyone calls me a palo cator. I'm actually not. I actually like Palo Man Caro a good amount. I just like to be honest about the stage of the development players are in.

And because they made the playoffs last year, because he had a great first on series, people treated him like he's already the superstar that he's going to be. He's not, right? He needed to make a lot of improvements. He need to get his pace of play a little bit better to play off of these players and be a better playmaker consistently. The jump shooting has never been consistent from an efficiency standpoint,

and the rim scoring had not been anywhere close that we wanted to be at that size, right? The rim scoring has been legitimately dominant the past month of the season, and it makes sense that he needs time to come back after the oblique injury. That's the type of injury that makes sense that would kind of hurt your desire

to attack the rim with, you know, a lot of aggression. He has been one of the best foul drawers in the league. He's shooting 70% at the rim for the month of March. I feel like that's a legitimate development in his game that that's what needs to be built off of. So if that's true, and that's going to be who he is, because we saw him be that for the first five games before the injury, and we see him be that now for the last 15 after their injury recovery, he's on the path to, you know, living up to this height that we want him

to beat this top 15 player in the league, right? I have a feeling he'll be that next year. That's what matters. The season's lost. That sucks. At least we know Franz has a ceiling of an all-star, and we know Palo is once again playing like a top 15 player in the league or somebody that will become that next year. That's enough silver line that I'll go D. can't be higher because the spacing is still ridiculous the offense is still stinky as fuck the defense hasn't been nearly as dominant without sugs but at least your top two guys show you a little bit of silver lining

ah man I lean towards anywhere between d and f on a consistent basis earlier in this conversation I was like yeah I'm giving them like a pretty loud F because there's not too much that you can hang your hat on other than like yeah they got talent franz and paula at the end of the day and power did go on this stretch or the last I don't know 15 20 games whatever in March

where he was hooping. But also, like, I can't forget about the Pala Benkiro who came off of the injury. Again, big injury. You miss a lot of time. The lows are bad. The lows are really bad right now with him. And he was shooting, like, for 20 games, he was shooting on average, like 39% from the field as a four. Yeah.

So I can't forget about that as well. And on top of that is on top of that, too, like seeing the lulls that Franz went towards or went through on top of that, just makes things even more muddier for this team. And it's hard to, like, look at Paul. and be like, yes, they have that silver lining. But with the type of score that he's been doing, I'm going to eventually lean towards a D because, like, he's been one of the five best scores that the NBA has to offer since all-star break.

He's been averaged like 28, 29, and they have, he's always been that guy. Well, I've always known he had the potential to be that guy. Now it's clear as day, like, yeah, there's a real pathway. Will they stick to it? I don't know. But at the end of that, you could hang your hat on that. You phrased it perfectly.

We've always known he can be that guy. He hasn't been that in the past. And that's why there's been frustration for me that I feel like isn't overlooked. But at least I know he's on path to becoming that guy again. He's ending the season with good momentum. Maybe it's a strong playoff showing coming too. If they get out of the playing tournament, that can be even better momentum. But overall, I feel a lot better about him now than I did two months ago after that injury.

So I'm trusting the momentum going forward because he's a player that this whole team really should have been viewed in a longer term timeline. It just got accelerated last year before to be really expected to. so they're held to this playoff team standard when really they're still a rebuilding team Powell's fucking 21 like they shouldn't have been held with the expectation of winning now they just overperformed

and kind of made themselves at so really we're back to the norm now and this is a team that's still putting it together and still developing that's, I'm low key see I'm convinced of myself that no no no that's a little bit too much

D D no see yeah they can still make the playoffs they can still be in the playoffs see but you have to look at all the other things in the season too And you are still leaving this season with C, stop that.

I'm not saying A. No, but you're still, you're still leaving this season with questions of, Okay, you're right. Of Paolo and Franz's final answer. You're right. And so it was like that, like you had that at the end of last season where Franz didn't have a good year and it's like, okay, obviously we all think that France is going to be better. When he is better, can they play together? That's fine.

At two different stretches, you saw both of them go off. Can they do it together? It's not happening. Even now, they're playing together. The offense still sucks. So the question of can they play together and have an elite offense, that's still there. So there's that aspect of it. Another question?

They got KCP to fix the spacing. I'm so happy that you brought that up because that was my exact next point. He can't fix the spacing. It would help if your two stars were part of that spacing. Powell is shooting well in March. That part I'm not putting too much talking to. That part is like better shooting he's ever shot before. we'll see if that sticks

I'm putting faith in those rim scoring three points scoring we'll see Franz still isn't a spacer whatsoever they still don't have a point guard like in space

obviously they're missing sucks who helps there but he's not like he's not fucking curry they don't get it's good spacing from the five man well maybe they would

if Mo Wagner wasn't hurt but regardless nothing good there they gotta figure out a way because you can you can only waste

so many years with the worst spacing in the league yeah bro KCP for his career is like a 40% 3 point shoot he's at 35%

that's just bad luck but still you know yeah or is it a product of the environment he sees everybody else missing shots he's like man he's influenced he's like now I'm offended yeah I don't know what it is I don't want to stand out

they clearly need a lot of help from the spacing perspective and it's also not all spacing like that's such a crutch for people to just assume all the flaws are because they don't have shooters and in their case it's so bad that that is a huge flaw there also is something with

the style of play Franz in Palo Bancaro have kind of I've been more critical of Palo in this in the past the pace in which he plays and slows things down really exasperates the spacing. See that was a good example. He got double team. When he draws doubles, he's really good at passing out of that.

But when he's forced into like an isolation opportunity, he has bad habits that he needs to improve on that make the spacing issues worse because he's not playing with pace and not playing from a position of creating advantages that will create shots for others is really, really slow and really prodding and finding his own shot.

That makes it harder. But that's just habit-based. Like, he can improve on that, but he needs to make those improvements. I almost think, like, it may be time. I talked about this before and past episodes where, like, headclosed and get you to only a certain space in place. Did you see that as far as far as much now? No, that was a Dandre Hunter.

Oh, yeah. Thank God. Thank God. It was such an aggressive brick. But I said this. Run that back from me. Let me see. That's, oh, God.

Doink. That's the worst. I'd rather air. ball a shot then hit the side of the backboard legitimately absolutely but I said this a couple podcasts ago there's certain coaches who can get you to a certain place

but in order to get to the next level or leap of development like they can only do so much and I think Jamal Mosley may have just reached his ceiling when it comes to how this team has the exact same issues now of course like roster wise we all know they still have issues they don't have the talent necessarily to

be an elite three point shooting team or whatnot but there are teams in the NBA right now who don't have like necessarily fantastic three-point shooters and they're still figuring out ways offensive philosophy-wise to be good, you know? Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying, is that they don't, shooting does matter. It matters a ton.

You gotta have a baseline level. There's a lot of small things they aren't really doing themselves any favors by. It's important to acknowledge a lack of shooting, but also important to acknowledge that that's not the only flaw of the team right now. Yeah, exactly. Now let's move over to another Eastern Conference team

that's right behind them in the standings. The Chicago Bulls, this is an interesting one obviously we are a you should have put them in a lightning round well no I thought they had this they have an interesting future right now because things are changing a lot for them they obviously are a team that

us just like every other NBA fan fucking hates with all of our heart because they just are obsessed with being mid right that's their MO but last year they were mid and they were old around stars like de Rosen Levine Vucevic

now they're mid but young and they did what they're everyone asked them to they reset they traded Levine they traded DeRosen, which is better than nothing. They tried to trade Usovic, they just couldn't. Josh Gidey, young, Kobe White, young. Modisuzelis, still the draft, in my opinion. They're still mid and still trying to win games, which is annoying because they want to,

you got to rebuild a little bit, but at least they're doing it with a youth perspective, right? They're kind of on both sides of that. Maybe when these guys become a star. There's a world in which Modis Bezellis becomes an all-star. So they don't have the worst practice in the league anymore. I still don't like fucking love it. It's still mid on purpose, but at least it's mid and young. I don't think they get an F for that.

No, they don't deserve an F at all. They don't deserve an F. Now, I'm going, I'm going to give them a C overall. It's C or B. But I would, I'm not opposed to giving them a B just because you are, you are fun men. Whereas, whereas before it was exhausting men. Yeah. And so I can, I can give.

Scooby. If there's a fun tax or fun boost, I'll give them a B, but overall, like, just on their season, probably a C&A. Listen, Kobe White made the second year leap he did last year. He's clearly a late-season guy. We'll see if that can translate to being a full-season guy. Encouraging. Josh Gidey is playing better. A lot of that is fake three-point shooting for March.

That's not sustainable, clearly. But he's also playing well outside of that. Now, he doesn't need the three-point shooting to come for everything else to be built off of. But let's give him benefit of doubt and say he's a decent player. Okay. Modus Bezellis alone, being, in my opinion, to steal the draft, someone who is going to be that guy we look up in and say, oh, it was a weak draft, but they got modest at a left.

That's such a crazy steal. He became an All-Star. That's in the cards for me. I think he's going to be amazing. Modis-Bless alone to me makes this a B because I think clearing up space for him as time goes on, as time went on, did so much for his development as a player. And seeing all the flashes and strides is just like, I agree with you. I think he can't be like, he can actually be the best player out of this draft that would not surprise me in the slightest whatsoever. I can envision him being like a top 20 player in the league one day.

and just for the sake of them opening space for him is enough for me to give them a beat They traded two stars We wanted them to trade Levine They did it We wanted to get rid of Rosen They did it They tried their fucking hardest

To get rid of Oosovitch Nobody wanted him So like I'm sure if they could have If there was any deal that returned positive value They would have took it They couldn't All you can judge them on Is where they were

In their current franchises timeline And how they made the most of that And like did what was expected They did what they could That's a beat to me that's fair it's not a name and they're still men on purpose they still are on a bad path but at least they it's a little bit better of a path yeah okay shout out the bulls i guess i think that's we're done with the east now we did oh the nix we haven't done the nix yet oh wow donovan

what are you great the season for the nix tell us a summary for the nix we're gonna go be okay i think yeah we're gonna go be just because one you make all the trades that you did in the off-season. And obviously, all of these grids, a lot of them, are based on preseason expectations. Yes. The Knicks, after trading for Kat and after trading for McKell Bridges, your expectation is, oh, we're going to make it to the conference finals,

and we will see what happens there, right? And we will see whenever we presumably play Boston, what happens. Probably going to play Boston in the second round. Probably going to get clapped. Or you play Cleveland in the second round and might lose us. And so right now it's looking like this team is going to be a second round exit, which, again, is disappointing. Yeah, I'll go B. I found myself in recent weeks being a little bit more optimistic than I think you are because you're fucking doom and gloom clearly.

And I get it. You can't beat the Celtics. There's no scenario in what you're beating the Celtics. And to go all in as all in is possible, you need a realistic chance of winning the finals for it to be worth it. They don't have that because they're not being the Celtics and they're damn sure not beating the Thunder. But I think B's fine, I agree Because they still are a very good team They still have a lot going for them well

Again, I said this for a couple of pods in a row I'm not going to predict they're going to beat the calves The calves are much better They have a chance It's not ridiculous to imagine a scenario That everything clicks right for the Knicks And they get the best version of themselves And they find everything in them defensively

And find a way to make the Cavs struggle a little bit They expose a small backcourt a little bit They make it hard to play both bigs together for reasons we saw in past playoff runs that I don't think will happen. But it's, you can imagine a world that that happens. Brunson rises to the occasion again. They get a good Cat series, really stretch out those bigs offensively with his shooting, working well. You can see a world in which they get the best version of themselves and maybe they can beat the Cavs.

It's probably like a 70% chance of Cavs win, 30% chance of Knicks win. But it's possible you can't write them off entirely, right? Yeah, no. And I think like for them, I think that Brunson has 100% solidified himself as being in, like the upper echelon. Top 10 player in the NBA. I don't even fuck about the order. He's top 10.

Because you could look at like last year's playoff run. And if you want to look at it in a glass half empty type of way, you could say everybody got hurt, right? He was forced to do that. He can't do it again. Ryan was a Cinderella run, whatever. But you see even this year, like Brunson as a, as an offensive engine and just as a shot maker down the stretch of games and just whatever, that is, that skill is so

valuable to everything that they do offensively this team has been really really great offensively even having so many different eras in terms of like being very brunton uh brunson centric now that he's out o g's cooking you've had mckell bridges have really good stretches really bad stretches even throughout throughout all of that they've been able to to be to be really great now do you think that they have a fatal flaw of course and that's why they get a that's why they get a b instead of an a but you're also doing all that without Mitchell Robinson for a majority of the year

without massive bench depth because Tibbs is not going to play everybody so there are still really, really good things to take from this. As of right now, biggest thing on my mind is just how healthy is Brunton going to be whenever he comes back? Because the game that we're

showing right now between the Knicks and the Lakers happened March 6th, the beginning of the month and it was supposed to be, it was a bad Sprain, it looked bad, but it was supposed to be a one to two week injury. We're about to be, it's about to be a full month since he got hurt and he's not back yet. That is very concerning and that's what I'm watching right now for the Knicks. I agree.

You said everything that needs to be said. They deserve a bit. Yeah, I think they're kind of like the Rockets where we do a lot of talk about what they don't have and why they have these fatal flaws that you're not going to win the championship. Nevertheless, they're a really good team. And not every team can be the best team in the conference on paper in the regular season. doesn't mean they don't have a chance to make something crazy happen. It doesn't mean they don't have any redeeming qualities that make them respectable,

have a chance to make a conference finals run. Like, we very often see a team we don't necessarily predict in the conference finals. Now, do we think they'll be able to win the conference finals? No, of course not. But not everybody can, right? I think it's still a respectable season. Still a respectable team, despite their flaws, I think B is very fair. Yeah, like to start off the year, I agree with you.

To start off the year, no one was over here pounding their chest and roaring like, yo, the Knicks are making the finals. was your nix are top all next fans were next fans were they're delusional we don't pay attention to them for real yeah in terms of like actual expectation actual expectation like they are

exactly what I thought they would be and they the car in town experiments experience has been exactly what I thought it would be again in terms of what they've been doing offensive they're one of the most potent offenses and one two points have you seen

that the league has to offer right now as you speak and so I had no disagreances with you guys All right Well in that case Let's move on to the next team Let's go back to the Western Conference

We finished the East Clippers This should be a relatively quick one We thought they would suck Because they lost Kauai to start the year He had a lot of injury time missed And they did not I give them an A actually

The 7 seed That's what I have I've I've an A for them I think again We thought that they were going to suck Without Kauai And there's been There's been portions of the season

where they have been out of the playing. They've been the four or five seed. They have their defense is fantastic. Tai Lu should be a coach of the year finalist. He should be top three, in my opinion. And you're also getting Kauai right now at the end of the season. And that is for all the load managing stuff, this is what you want. This is the best case scenario.

Yes. That Kauai Leonard is here playing basketball in late March, early April, going into the playoffs. And if he gets hurt, it is what it is. But you know what? You have a chance because he's on the court. They did not embarrass himself, bro, this year. They easily could have lost their pick to OKC, which would have been a fucking lottery pick.

And that would have been the most abysmal thing to happen in the NBA for a fucking long time. But James Hardin took this team, carried them on their back. Is it pretty? No, does he shoot like 40, 39% from the field on most nights? Sometimes even 35%. Yes, but at the end of the day, like he is a floor general and knows how to align his troops when necessary. and seeing what

the magic that Tailu has brought seeing the infrastructure and he's like almost a fucking architect but he just like see shit James Hard and just sees shit and he knows how to make anything worth work with whatever materials that you give him

That's the rare in the brew list Yeah exactly bro And then you got the Nick Mattoons of the world They recently just got Ben Simmons and shit Beauljan Bogdanovich You got a vicious Zubach like making a fucking leap So it's like Did it ever be? As a Hawksman?

As a Hawksman How dare you misidentify Bogdan as Bojohn? Oh, did I say Bojan? You did? He said Bojan. How dare you? I miss him. I'm missing. He's moving.

So the thing is, I think I picked him to be the 11th seed, something around that. And picking them to be the 11th best team in the conference. The difference is now their seventh, right? Because the Grizzlies fell, we expect them to be better. The Mavs fell. Everybody died. The Pelicans fell. Everybody died, right?

So the difference isn't necessarily the order of which teams. The difference is what they need to be plotted for is resiliency and competency. Throughout all this, there's always going to be teams that fall off because of injuries, right? They become disasters. Oh, the sons too,

pretty good above them, who are the opposite of resilient. They are at their core from a team, bitchmaid. I was going to say that. The opposite of resilience. I was just about to say that. At their core,

not even necessarily any of the players as individuals, as a collective bitchmaid. Like, they just do not have any resiliency. They don't give a fuck and do not want to win as bad as other teams. It's like, in the modes. Like, they don't even got to get particular

about their flaws. They do not want it bad enough. Yeah. The Clippers had every reason to fall off in the same way I'd said the other teams did because of injuries. With Kawhi Gone, they so easily could be won these teams that we say they lost their main guy, they didn't have what it takes to put it all together. But that didn't happen. Their coach got the most out of everybody.

Turn Norm Powell into an all-star level score. Turn James Hardin into like a Tyree's Halliburne type of playmaker that can be the main guy, despite the lack of scoring efficiency. Turn Zubot into probably a top 35 player this year. he's been a fucking demon with more usage they just again teens that we thought were better than them failed and they stayed steady and stayed competent

and just stayed afloat which is respectable I agree shout to one of the proudest A's on this list A plus shout out just a salt of the mill union vibe type of just hard working port working team they get it out the mud

lunch pale One foot in front of the other straight out the mud These guys have pensions for sure their union works harder than everybody else is no that's facts okay that's an easy one you know shout out of them we've talked about them all year we've we've talked a lot

about how happy we are for them to be wrong about them right they it's just a respectable team that we don't think you're gonna make any type of noise or anything but not every team can good for them they're kind of we'll talk about it in the coming in the coming weeks they aren't they're a little bit dangerous sure they can win a series yeah I guess maybe not say can make any noise

that's probably a little disrespectful we don't see them like sneaky oh it's not conference finals yeah yeah but that's fine you know you don't got to be guys i have a team that i really really want to talk about and i've been hyper excited to talk about them too because they can land on not anywhere on this scale but they have a very interesting range and that's the the memphis grisleys um you think it's interesting i think it's a fucking f i don't think it's an f i can't say all these is not a i can't give them a proud of b but to me when i see this team and all that

they went through like they improved their half-court offense they seen they seen what was the issue. It improved. But I will say, obviously the fire, Taylor Jenkins and all that, John Moran having a down year, Jaron Jackson,

you're being injured in the defense is like completely falling abysmal. I don't know if you can give them an F. You just named three negative things about the three most important things on that too. It is an F you fired your coach nine games before the playoffs. Ridiculous.

I don't think I've ever seen that before in my life. You have your, you probably won't see it again. It's crazy. Your main star your main star did not, did not enjoy the offense, was not, was not available, and then... Whoa, whoa, whoa, that's a fine. That's a suspension. That's a jail time. I wonder why.

I can't believe they're investigating him for that. That's so dumb. At this point, it's targeting. At this point, that's such a common thing. They're giving him a reputation fine for something that's not a fine for anybody else. So there's no, there's no fine. Warnings were issued. Yeah, yeah.

Fine was the wrong word. They gave him... Also, they gave him to Buddy Heald as well. Of course they did. You know? Because everybody was saying, get off his dick. So now they got to get one to Buddy Heald. Also, Dyson Daniels did something way more agree with this.

Wait, what did he do? Maybe, I don't think it was the other day. I saw a clip of Dyson Daniels doing the same thing. Oh, he laid on the ground, right? Is that what you're talking about? No, he was. Oh, that was a college player. Oh, yeah.

This is a white player who was on the ground. As me like a sniper, bro. That was a hard-ass celebration. It was. But, yeah. So I actually, I don't know what we're getting that. I just saw the clip of Dyson. But yeah, so you have Jai, who we've talked about it plenty of times,

is just the most unavailable that he's, the unavailable and inconsistent and unreliable that he's ever been. And then even Jared Jackson, Jr., who has taken an offensive leap, he got hurt again. You can't beat teams over 500. You have, there's nothing, like, promising about their outlook right now. Yeah, their vibes are horrible, obviously. And here's the thing.

They were at crossroads this year. We know John Moran is electric, right? We've seen highs in which he has playoff moments where you say this could be one of the 10 best players in the world potentially. Been a while since he's been there because of injuries. So coming to this year, Taylor Jenkins had to fire his whole staff and reinvent an offense and not be so reliant on Jha because he's not available and maybe not capable of leading a top 10 half-quart offense, right? So you do that. You get this team together. You start the year.

You're a top two seed. You're an elite top eight defense. And your half-court offense was like sixth in the league for the first 40 games. and Jod doesn't fit in that offense he has a bad season for his standards his morale is low

because he's trying to make it work and clearly it's a struggle for him it's not going well probably doesn't believe in the coach because I think the team didn't like Taylor Jenkins

that much anyways and while he's been in good Samaritan it's not working well for him and then the defense falls off a cliff because Brandon Clark gets injured

and you have very few good defenders you're really making work from a team defense perspective you lose him your front court depth is depleted

because he's gone you have nobody to replace him with the defense falls off they're now 11th for the year they're like 20th for the last 20 games that goes off the edge and makes the offense struggle the half court offense is down to fucking 14th for the year now it's not even that great anymore so you have to not only where you get a crossroads where you seemingly pick not jaw and try to get the most out of jaw in that system now neither are working now both the crossroads both roads are on fire both roads have earthquakes there's fucking earth is split open there's ravines it's hell both

sides of the ball you have to fire him and now you're just hoping that you have a magical run by empowering jogging in this last game they played he ran 20 pick and rolls he averages 14 for the year that's one of the big issues of why he wasn't comfortable so I guess they're going back to that now he's getting more playing time which is nice for him I guess they have to hope they can get a good run out of this and make something happen

but there's no clear vision anymore yeah that's the thing I like that use that word that you use like it's the end of their season is just like riddled in hope yeah if they end up winning a playoff series genuinely I'll be a shock I am sure I would be shocked if they do that because of all the disarray that's been happening for this team. But the eight seed, there were two.

They might dip fucking lower than that. They're just, they're on like a huge losing streak. What is the vision? Do they have a concrete vision right now? No. And they should for where they should be. That is an F. That alone makes it an F.

Because not, not only, again, not only do you fire the, to not have an identity right now is absolutely, it's stupid. It's actually, it's actually. dumb to fight to fire taylor jenks they're not even going out swinging bro they're like all right we give up the season's a wrap like even even if you thought that you were going to make a move right do it after the the playoffs even the gm came out and was like yeah you know like it's too late

in the season like we're we're not going to have enough time to implement just laying down so you're so you fired a guy right presumably for a lot of his offensive philosophies after one you fired his entire staff you made him do this offensive philosophy you you brought in an entirely new staff did not did not really let him uh they didn't fuck with him like that at all bro you fire all my homies and you fired me back's fuck bro you fire you fire you fired my homies you fired my homies and now you're going to fire me because of the stuff that we were doing and then publicly admitted yeah like we're not going to have time to change what we're doing so you expect to keep doing the same thing what if h o h fired me fired donovan made you pot on your own yeah and then

they hired you new co-host that fucking hated you and then you guys start off strong and the views go down and then Sam's like hey Mo what the fuck is wrong with you yeah why aren't the views good die yeah that he fires you that's a perfect equivalent for that bro like it just doesn't make any sense you really all it tells all it tells me is that you've been plod on me since day one fucking later yeah it's just again it's a lot of unfortunate circumstances that just the personnel hasn't worked like it's not all taylor jenkins's fault it's not all john moran's fault it's not all zach lineman's fault but clearly Clyman and Jenkins were not on the same page.

They were not working on the same accord, and the accord they chose made their most important player unhappy while elevating the other one. So it's a weird mixed bag because you can't go all in on job, but you also can't alienate him. It's just a kind of a disaster in all for us. This is so like not Memphis Grizzies like, bro, because I will say over the last, since they had like Mike Connolly and Mark Gassal, they've been one of the best ran organizations in the league in terms of like maximize it what they can. do in making smart moves at the perfect timing.

Yeah, but I will say their future's not fucked. They still have a great roster. If they hire, they make a good coaching hire this summer, or I guess keep the guy they elevated maybe, and like fully go in on a vision that is smart for the team and smart for Jha, find a pathway to really tow both those lines and not alienate him. Yeah. And they commit to that guy's vision. They can be back next year.

Like, they are not fucked long term. Yeah, absolutely. But in terms of the singular season, I agree with you guys, they probably deserve enough. Yeah. Disaster. Speaking of F, let's just fly through this one. Phoenix Suns, nobody say a word. Next. Next team, we got the Dallas Mavericks.

Nobody say a word. Next team, the Sacramento Kings. I guess we can say a few words, D, I guess. They traded Darren Fox. No, no, it's enough. Oh, you don't want to say any words? It's enough. No words.

No words? No words. All right. And with that being said, that's every team, I believe. I don't think we met. Oh, Trailblazers. Okay. Let's have one.

Oh, they are good, actually. Yeah, one good conversation. I forget about them. Get rid of all the shitters. Sorry if you're a fan of those teams. I guess maybe the Kings deserved a few words, but the Mavs and Sons, we've pissed on your grades a lot. Sorry, Kingsman. You guys are the short sick this time.

I don't make the rules. Again. That's true. Because a couple weeks ago, I was trying to talk about the Kings and y'all, like, no, we're not going to talk about it. Okay, my bad. King, let's talk a little bit. I've already disrespected you once. I think Deeran Fox ended up getting traded, right?

It's in the air of who wanted it, who facilitated it, seemed like overall both sides, it made sense to trade him, right? The team wasn't put, there wasn't a gun put to the king's head by Deeran Fox's agent saying, you need to trade us, but they welcomed it. Not insane to get Zach Levine back as part of that. Insane to pair Zach Levina to Marta Rosen again. That is a formula that clearly doesn't work. They're stuck in a situation in which they have talents of players.

We like the idea of Sabonis and Levine. We like the idea of Sabonis and Malik Monk. You can't really play your five best players at once because they get a good lineup out there. You need to play Keon-Eless Big Minutes. And just think about this. You have Malik Monk who's essentially your point guard now. Zach Levine is a firm shooting guard,

no positional versatility. DeMarter Rosen is there. That's three players. You can't do nothing else. You can't. You are a shooting guard. You had to start Keegan Murray at the four because he's your defense and you're not going to bench Sabonis.

You have to start De Rosen because he's De Rosen. You can't bench DeMarter Rosen. Are you what's saying? so now you can't start Keone Ellis who is the only other good defender and offball shooter you need you have you can't bench Malik Monk because he's your point guard now you need his passing that's why you were comfortable trading

the Air and Fox were shooting guard because you want to empower Mick the Monk's passing you have six players and you need to start five of them but you can't bench the one you need to bench to Martin Rosen for politics reasons it's just a mess hodgepodgepodge group that for this season is a disaster if you can get rid of Rosen I think there's a world and wish a competent again but

it just doesn't make sense I think that you did hit the reset buttoning completely bro. Which, which sucks because, and that's why I give them an F because this season and firing Mike Brown and trading Deera Fox and doing everything that they've done, it officially ends the competency era in Sacramento. For the first time in 20 years over the last three years, we've been like, oh, okay, like, yes, you guys aren't going to win a championship, but that's fine. Like you guys, we had the light of being. You guys were fun. You guys were kind of building something. we can we can see it and even last year like you took a step back but that's fine you guys can come back

together make a couple moves and move forward from there and now you have constant changes which is stuff that only bad teams do only poorly ran teams do which is constantly changed and constantly bringing guys and trade guys and fire coaches and hire coaches and do all that stuff now you suck back back in the cycle and i feel i do feel bad for kings fans because now in the off season you have to think about what what do we do and the what do we do is the guy that we just gave it uh the guy that we just signed last year and just traded for yeah we're gonna have to get rid of him again also there's a report that de monta sabonis is gonna check in with the team and see what the long-term vision is check in so basically what that report said is if they don't do something and

convince him subonis might say fucking trade me if you if you have to trade subonis one you're not get a ton back for him he's a hard player to fit with a lot of teams maybe the hawks or something i don't know you're gonna you just got to reset everything you just got to you got to reset everything if you trade sabonis because there's no way you're gonna be anything decent without him no the hawks that hawks sale has fucking shipped bro because um hawk's sale has shipped the hawks sale or shit what the fuck yeah the hawks ship has say there we go the fuck it has for sure simply because on yukukkah kong when i'm like i don't want any business to do with fucking subonis bro i i don't want the money and i'd rather value the defense

I agree, I don't want Subonis is a good fit You can get a center Oh, okay, it doesn't mean you can't get a center Like if Nick Laxon was available For our price, that's a different discussion right there But for Sabonis You're right, you're right, yeah, Sabonis I want a lot There with Tray Young, obviously

I don't want the bonus there Yeah, someone's not bad But I just, I just would rather not Yeah, I agree It's like how I'd rather not have this conversation And I'd rather talk about the Portland Trailblazers What a lovely transition What do you guys want to grade the Portland Trailblazers

They'll serve a man I mean, they're a complicated one Because they're deep into rebuild, right? They need to get something going they aren't an embarrassing team if they were in the eastern conference it'd be a playing level team scoo is a mixed back still still not good for his standards for what you expect from that draft position but he's putting together certain stretches of the season where you're like okay there's something there he's not we're not out on him being a capable player eventually

right sharp uh not that guy not yet not yet i don't really have faith he's gonna be that guy not that guy so i don't feel good about their high-end guard talent that one of these guys needs a fucking hit, I feel fantastic about everything else. I think Klingin will be a great defender. Timani Kamara already a great defender, one of the best role players in the league. Denny is one of the best role players in the league. He might soon be surpassing that. He might soon be like sub-all-star.

This is a premier player type of guy. Derek White category. Correct. So everything around the most important elements, it's going great. They don't have the most important element yet, though. The guy isn't clear. And that is, and honestly, that's fine. If you're in a rebuild, you are in a constant state of trying to find.

the guy and then once you get it then you then you start to build because you could either you there's like there's multiple ways of going through through a rebuild and you can like get the guy in year one and then try and build things up around him or you can kind of build up the infrastructure around it and then kind of you know bring in the guy the blazers are going more towards that that second route yeah and so and i'm i'm okay with that this is a team that was especially last season embarrassing they were absolutely embarrassing to to watch it was a bad product and now this year they have been much better they have quality wins under their belt

I'm giving them a B or C I think the lack of guy like is important that's not their fault though I mean I mean it's kind of they drafted yeah but that's a consensus they pick scoot over a man they didn't have to um it's important to handle that guy and you don't have them yet

yeah there is an immense value to having everything but the guy and when you get the guy you plug him in so I'm not getting them a bad grade I don't know if that's B or C what do you think for me personally I think I would give them a B all right beat is i'm out of it simply because i see how bad you were over the last few years but i see also like seeds starting to be planted and they've fully grown into this year in terms of like yeah last year three games out to playing right now that's fantastic bro like literally last

year they're not i'd rather have cooper flag again so obviously like they're not going to get there but three games out of the playing in a in a western conference that's fairly competitive But imagine that Cooper flag And then they had the guy Or they had Dylan Harper And they had the guy Like it's kind of like in that situation We're like damn

It's like what do you do One more piece Do you like let go Some like Denny of Dia or like Literally just Put your and put your faith Into these lottery balls I don't know if that's the safest route

No I don't let go with him You don't let go of him You keep him on the team But I'm cool to be It is hard to understate Tumani Kamara and Denny Is one of the most like Leto wing duos in the NBA

Defensively And Denny has plenty of offense of skill that's a lot of value there like stars become available teams are going to find a star eventually yeah i agree if anything i if if the guards over there had a clear vision or pathway to be real special or give us more proof to believe in them than this will easily be in a but i damn you're almost want to give them an a so because like you're telling me a couple of teams out there wouldn't make some shake for someone like scoot henderson shading sharp and or fucking And Frank Simons as well, they absolutely would.

So seeing that, seeing how elite their defense has been, it was not great last year. But you see the Inklins. I believe they're like 17th, 18th in defense last year, which was definitely noticed. And to see that carry on and have this defensive-oriented identity be built upon. And then they have guys like DeAndre Agen, who could be fucking traded. I forgot about him. Yeah, they got Jeremy Gray, who we never said his name once in the entirety of this season. I swear to God we never said, said his name once.

They still have that guy who's not that good, bro. But regardless of the fact, they have multiple pieces that could be easily shipped for said star player. So they deserve perfectly being. If I'm a player's fans, this is one of the happiest years that I've been. Okay. I like them a lot, too. I really hope they find their star, man. I really, really hope they find their star.

If they get an elite guard next of those wings, dude. John Morat, welcome to Portland. Ooh, that's kind of fun. I didn't even think about that. That's beautiful. I mean, I don't think they straight job Moran, but if they did, kind of like that. Yeah, that'll be hard.

We forgot to talk about the Thunder. Oh. It's so understood. No words. A. And I guess it's borderline, no words. We talked about it a lot. I guess, well, listen, this is the episode where we really go through

what everybody sees it. So if we're going to talk about it, we've got to get into it here. Like, all year, we've progressed level by level, expectation by expectation, finding new ways to positively talk about this team. First it was They're going to be one of the best teams in the league They're going to be a contender

They got great players After already been the one seed They're going to be nasty Watch them to be in competition With the best teams in the league Then it was Oh, She's the MVP Like this is going to happen

Then it was oh This team's on pace for 70 wins We'll see if they cool down or not Then it was oh This team is the second best net rating of all time And now they're tied for the best net rating Of all time with the 96 Chicago Bulls Oh this is one of the greatest teams

in regular season NBA history? Oh, like it just keeps getting crazier and crazier. Like A. doesn't do it justice that this is legitimately

one of the best seasons you could possibly imagine in the now on top of them having by far the best future of any team we've seen in the past like 20 years

of NBA basketball with like 36 future first-round picks and three young all-sart level players and like eight great role players like it's unfathomable how amazing of a season

that's just with Thunder fans. If it ends in anything less than a championship it's hard to say it's a disappointment because like you know i will be disappointed to don't win the chip they're that dominant every metric every stat use the i-tests use whatever tests you want they are screaming like yeah NBA champions bro um like i agree with the sentiment that you made in terms of like seeing what they are noticing that they're great but then also seem like holy shit they're great but they decided to be fucking better than great bro they're damn they're playing all-time ball

Not damn near. They are playing all-time ball by every measurable element. Yeah, literally. Like, and it starts with Shay. It could fizzle down to Jada in what he's been able to do. And if they've been playing all-time ball, too, what's like a lot of key guys missing a lot of time. I saw who then you tweet this.

Imagine that the 96 Bulls lost Robin for 50 games. That's what happened with Chet. It did not fucking matter in the slightest. They never lost touch of the 1C for a second. They maintained a 70-win pace. It happened to Chet. And also, Isaiah Hartensine, too, at the start of the year, year.

And Jay Dub missed time. Yeah. They missed their DPOI level center for 54 games and that shit meant literally nothing. They missed both of those starting centers at the same time. And J. Dub played center and they won more games than they lost. Yeah. J.

Dub is six foot five on a good day and he played center. That is ridiculous. That is ridiculous. It's the best cast of defensive talent you've ever seen. Not ever seen. My bad. In our time, like the 10 years of being a modern NBA fan, the best cast of the.

defensive talent we've ever seen. One of the best guard scoring seasons of all time, straight up. Easy. Shea's season is comparable to whatever Michael Jordan season you want to pull, whatever Kobe season you want to pull, whatever Dway season you want to pull. Regular season-wise, this scoring season, scoring specifically, is on par with any of them. His true shooting percentage is like seven and a half points higher than league average, and it's like 43 points for 100 possessions.

Like, it's top of the line when you adjust for era. And you have J-dub as a star. Chet came back. He's playing great when they started him at center now. His scoring back is much more. utilize there but you have the option to play him at center or power forward you're crazy versatile in a playoff setting you can match what anybody wants to do play style wise your eighth best player is like andrew erin wiggins who would be a godsend to most teams it's it's again i've said this it's unfathomable

how amazing of a season this is while you guys were talking i just put a bet on the thunder two oh my god i need you guys to understand if they don't win the title i will be shocked I'll be flabbergasted. Like, as good as Boston is, as good as Cleveland is, I don't, if it's a one-game scenario, this was March Madness, cool, right? Obviously. Beating somebody four times in a row or four times out of seven, if that happened to this Thunder team, I would lose my mind.

I would not understand how it happened. The only reason I don't say that because the Celtics were this level of dominant last year and they're so capable of that. So the presence of the Celtics is the only reason I don't say they're 100% going to win. So it's like 70% chance. The Celtics are so good They deserve a nod, right? They could win

It really comes down to who's healthy, probably But if both teams are whole I'm going the Thunder 7.5, 8 times out of 10 You got to keep the door open because the Celtics are also a historical team But listen, man, you know how crazy good you have to be

for me to only give the Celtics 3 out of 10 times? A team that just had also a top 5 net rating of all time last year and maintained the same team You had to be ridiculously good for me to say those guys

aren't the favorites again because they're also ridiculous themselves So I just hope I know people are so caught up in the jokes that turned into real narrative around Shea and how people hate his playstyle for purely fictional reasons. It's dumb as fuck.

I hope that when they win the title, if they win the title, that turns around and people appreciate what they're watching because this is one of the best stories you're going to see as an NBA fan, probably for the rest of your life. Yeah, bro. And just this is,

we literally witnessed the greatest rebuild of all fucking time. Bar none. The greatest rebuild of all time. Well, no, with these Rebels This is the greatest Rebuild of all time.

A three year rebuild where they acquired like 35 picks and traded for an MVP drafted two other All-Stars and put together the best net rating of all time

while maintaining over 20 future draft picks. It's not even close. There's no Rebuild that comes close. There's teams that come close but those weren't made via this efficient

of a rebuild. Specifically rebuild Never have we seen a rebuild bear this much fruit this fast for potentially this long who comes close to you there's not even a there's not even a competition i i just again i fully believe it will happen i'm not going to say that until some some results come from it and so

that's that's the only thing if we have the conversation in two months and you say that cool i think the difference is that would make them one of the best teams of all time i'm not saying that rebuild is about putting yourself in position yeah and how quickly you've been able to do so with also like the back end talent in terms of picks and also what you have right in front of your face right is like

Rebuilds about going from from being a bad team to putting yourself in position to contend that's what it's about not necessarily the outcome to me so to me it's bar none

but yeah if they win the title then it's like oh this is one of the best teams of all time and then it's different because then we're talking about best net reading

of all time in a ring that's like your mouth fucking reference these other GMs need a fucking catch up mentally bro and fuck this shit up and throw fucking

Aaron Wiggins a goddamn bag when Kason Wallace ends up being or testing free agency wires or whatever throw him an insane bag that OPC has to match. It will not matter. They'll let Case and Walls walk

and they'll draft another Case and Walls with one of their 1,000 picks. They'll trade up five picks in their 2026 draft and get one top five pick and then suddenly have another guy. They picked like top 10 or something like that or maybe it was top 12

earlier in the summer or later in the summer. And that dude hasn't even touched a minute up at the time just set. Next year they had Nicole Topis. Next year they had go on Drogic to all this. We don't even know the one going on. Yeah.

That's what I'm saying. This is the greatest rebuild of all time. And they might get another top 10 pick from the six years this year. Like, it is ridiculous how good of a season this is and how well we're going to extend this for. Like, we're talking about them as a team being an all-time level. We're also witnessing Shay play himself into legend status. Like, like I said, one of the most dominant seasons. If he wins a chip, suddenly you have another player who's like a top 30 player of all time, your third MVP.

Like, I almost feel, I don't know if I feel envious or feel bad for. Thunder fans because this season their experience right now is such amazing euphoria that in their sports lives I hope they're recognizing them in the good old days because they'll never experience anything like this ever again this is the best year you can imagine for a fan like the fleeting

nature of that is almost sad that like they're at their peak right now. Don't do that. It's a great thing. It's a beautiful thing but it's so beautiful the sadness that the beauty will fleet. It's like I don't talk of a mindset is that man. Be happy to the goddamn moment. Exactly. Like it's so insane. You try to be too poet.

It's an amazing year to be a Thunder fan I pray they win I pray they win because we're talking crazy right now I'm so insanely jealous of Oklahoma City in their fame in their family's bro because they get to win this I know yeah I am

because they got to win this James Harder Westbrook and fucking Katie team up all not team up but be drafted all together fucking at once of course it happened the way it happened but still they got to get a taste of that and they experienced this shit the whole load

and this team is way better than that there was a debate on Twitter when someone was like 2016 Thunder versus this team I cannot explain to you how fucking easily this team would blast

the 2016 Thunder that started like two and a half non-shooters their third best shooter was Ibaka and I'm not counting Russell Westbrook

on that occasion I'm counting him as a shooter so really it's like three and a half non-shooters this team would beat the living shit out of them it would be ridiculous they're even benchwise

it's not even fucking close yeah and like And then people are debating who's better 2014 KD or this year, Shea, that's a debate. That's actually a good debate. That's close. Yeah. But to your point, to have this era again be just as good, but this is great of a star, they're so blessed.

They're so blessed. I know. Good stuff. We are also blessed to able to experience another TikTok time. Caron eaters. Bring it in. Bring it in. Bring it in.

We march. We're on to TikTok time. Welcome to TikTok time. Before we get into it, I got a quick shout to give you guys. You got this blue hoodie on, this wonderful HOH hoodie. Some of you guys have noticed Don's been wearing it. And I actually saw a few comments that asked you guys, where did you get it from? At the time, I couldn't really tell you shit because it wasn't available.

But HOH just dropped this line of merch that's coming out tomorrow, I think, or maybe the day of this episode coming out. I'll have the link in the description. We got this blue hoodie with this HOH symbol on it. The hats they're both wearing and a bunch of other stuff. Hard. And I think we have a discount code to give you guys. We do. It'll be in there next to the description.

I'll put it on there. There'll be the link to it below it. It'll say discount code. I think it gives you 15% off. Yeah, I think so. It's like promo code TD3 or something. I'll be sure to put the exact code in there. But hey, man, if you want to wear some highlights merch, it is available and it is out now.

They did their thing. Tap in. It is actually quite cool. I've been wearing it just to wear it, which, listen, if they told me to put some merch on and wear it on the show and it was whack, I would have accidentally forgotten to do it. But this is actually cool. So I don't mind.

putting you guys on. I like it a lot. And with that being said, we are starting today's episode of TikTok time with the draft. This time we're going to do a fun one. We're going to draft only players that play for the Miami Heat.

Okay. So, we go, we go. Yeah, Donovan, this is the draft where you got fucked over. You are the third pick this week. It is me first. Mojo second, Donovan third. The worst place to be.

We'll see if you can come up on top is despite your positioning. Okay. Last time you happened, Mo got fucked with the third's pick when a two-person draft. It was so bad. And you lost them

horrific fast. So we'll see if Donovan does a better look. But, yeah, as you guys know how it works. We're only building lineups with players who play for the Miami Heat. Obviously, first pick of the draft small four, give me LeBron James. Cool beans. I like it. Can't go wrong with that.

Second pick of this draft. Go ahead and give me Shaquille O'Neal. Why did I forget about Shaq? I was thinking it was a two-person draft. I completely forgot about Shaq. This is cool. I mean, you're a boo-hoo. You got LeBron.

No, no, I was thinking for Donovan. sake yeah okay i all right good stuff okay um with the first pick the donovan smootz select dwayne wade naturally naturally i thought you'd go second because i forgot about check and let's see with the fourth pick we we will select chris bosh okay i put him at the five we'll put him at the four for now as the same good luck okay chris bosh okay chris bosh at the Ford, Chris Boston D-Wayette, I like that. I like that. Still made the playoffs together, mind you.

Yep. Okay. For the sake of versatility and to kind of fuck you over, give me Ray Allen at my two. I wasn't going to take Ray Allen. You can have them. All right. Give me that elites. Give me one of the best three-point shooters of all time along with one of the finishers as well.

Give me somebody better. Give me 2020 Jimmy Butler. Next to LeBron? Okay. That's incredible. Okay. Yeah, I'll put. I didn't think you were going to pick Jimmy Butler because that fit is a

little bit wonky. No, it's not. The Bra will fucking figure anything else. He fit with Dwayne Witt. He can fit with Jimmy Butler. I think that it'll be just fine. Okay.

And then at the five, you have shacks. That's kind of hard. Maybe I'll, I feel like I can't let Donovan pair these guys up. I'm going to go small. I'm going to play fast.

Give me Bam out of bio with the five. I can't let you have Bosch Ann out of bio. That'd be too nasty. That's okay. That's okay. Hey. Mo. Okay, Jimmy Braun,

Bam. It's a very strong three. I'm fast as hell I'm athletic as hell I'm athletic as hell I got Ray Allen and check and you got Wade and Bosch

so I could take this several ways so which way do you want to go I need some fucking ball handling on my side but I also need some goddamn size or more spacing You need a wing badly

I do need a wing badly so so badly so badly so with that being said go ahead and get me this man thinking thinking slow. Yeah.

Shot clock. Come on. We didn't put a shock clock in this bitch. We do. Yeah, I know. I know.

We had a little more Rasmus has for this bitch. You got eight, eight signals. So for, am I one? Let me just keep it simple.

Actually, no, fuck that. Let me be big in this shot. Give me a lawns of morning at the four. Ew. That's what you are. Give me a lawns of morning

at the four. I don't be big. Ew. I need something. I need one shining thing that you put my hat on. Give me a lawns of morning. That's disgusting.

I need to be big. That's ridiculous. That is, but thank you because I did need a point guard that I thought you were going to take him. I was going to. So now Gary Payton falls to my too. Fuck, I was hoping he fell to me. Gary Payton falls to my team at the one.

Wade and GP? I like that a lot. Damn. I was praying Peyton would be there for me. I was hoping you guys forgot he was on the heat for some reason. No, no. That wasn't necessarily going to happen. You got one spot left

Oh, you have two spots left I do have three and five Good luck with the five I mean No no the five is very hard The three is honestly A little bit hard In this space too

But I need I want a little bit more shooting This is this is gonna be ridiculous Duncan Robinson No I need some more shooting With this line up You just need glue guys

I know what he's doing Shame baddie He took my pick That was my pick too I generally don't know who I'm gonna put there now fuck damn

I need some water now I'd hurt my throat yelling okay cool your team's coming together you were gonna put Betty at the two mm-hmm got it

I was gonna go gigantic all right cool back on my side I need five it's gonna be disgusting I need one and I need a fucking three man yeah your five is gonna be

absolutely nice Eric Danpier welcome all right So for my three Go ahead and give me someone Who had a near and dear spot in my heart Give me Luwildang I'm playing a different type of game

Okay Different type of game Okay I need a point guard that can do all the little things Who can shoot, play defense, pass a ball But doesn't need the rock Give me Kyle Lowry at point guard Okay

That's a good friend with LeBron Your team is good I hope so I got LeBron James I got gifted I just can't fumble it And I can go a lot of ways with this. I need spacing. I'm just going to go all in on being big, athletic, and playing defense.

Give me Sean Marion at the two. That's crazy. I'm gigantic. Yeah, when he's washed. My team is gigantic. You can flip that and it might make a little bit more sense. Sure. Okay.

We'll put Jimmy. We'll put Jimmy there. Why would you tell him that? What difference is a fucking make? Let's go Sean Marion. And honestly, put Braun at the three. Put Marion at the four. Whatever.

Whatever. It doesn't matter. So, yeah, my team is fucking huge. He said it doesn't matter Put them at one Do it Larry, go out check All right

So at the one I need someone Who again Will space the floor I need someone Who is a friend of LeBron I need someone Who I can put all my trust in

I need someone who can distract LeBron James Okay Shabaz Napier Welcome to my team Congratulations Shabaz New Beer Your name has been mentioned

That's stinky You said I cannot Think of any more point guards I could have selected fucking tie her if I wanted I could have selected fucking Norse Kohl if I wanted The Norse Kohl so much better

But you want Let me get a guy who's a friend of a friend Okay friend of a friend Put on Listen Shabash Napier will never be selected again I'm glad we're showing him some spotlight Exactly All right there's only one option

That we can go here At center At center It's only one guy Was Was the good version of him on this team Did it for a long time? No but there was a peak

that was reached by Hassan Whiteside and I'm taking Hassan Whiteside and I'm putting him at the fire generational memes I would love to be a part of your locker room actually

I would love to watch Shaq when he sees Asan Whitesai trying to guard him I would love to see the look in his eyes when he sees White Side pull up

if you give me that first like 20 games where Hassan Whitesite broke onto the scene he was going to triple doubles with blocks straight McBride 4 years 76 million dollar extension

how do you feel wait what good good for them the tight end of the Arizona Cardo's got a four-year $6 million extension. Noticing. I was like extension in basketball. Yeah, it was a weird time.

Yeah. I like that for them. That's good. Savody listeners, I have Kyle Lowry, Jimmy Butler, Sean Marion, LeBron James, Bam, Otabio. I got Shabazz Napier,

Ray Allen, L, Lwold Dang. What, Shabaz Napier, L? Did you not seem it as you call days? Worse than that. Alonso Mourning and Shaq is fucking stupid. This is a team. This is a team.

You're playing a different type of game. Sabaz Napier, Ray Allen, Luwild, Lwold, Dang. Alonzo morning and Shaquil and Ray Allen is getting 30,000 steps a day running around this gym trying to create those spaces for me. We're all about health and wellness over here. I have Gary Payton, Dwayne Wade, Shane Badi, Chris Bosch, and Hassan Whiteside. Oh my God. Okay.

See it, Matt, tell you comment down below. It's so funny because my team is an actual team except you just like insert Gary Payton. Oh, this team actually happened, you're saying? Yeah. Oh, wait. Like, I think, I think. Did Bosch and Whiteside overlap? I think maybe.

Maybe for like a year. Yeah. I can't remember if Sam was there or not. I think shame might have been gone by that point. Yeah, maybe, yeah, yeah. But nevertheless, it could have happened. See, yeah, you call it below. Let us never win.

I wonder who won this draft. Same. I wonder if it was the one with the first picker or not who got very lucky at LeBron James in this draft. You tell us. But let's keep it on topic of Miami Heat. Let's move on to our second topic of the day. Ew.

You know, there's been a lot of discussion on Twitter about Dwayne Wade. We have some shameless Celtics fans or I should say Jason Tatum stands saying that Tatum is better than Wade all time that sparked the discussion that gets talked about every 16 months

Duane Wade versus James Hardin so what we do today is I'm going to name a series of modern day NBA players you let me know who will be better in today's game specifically

Duane Wade or this player so how do you seem translating to 2025 okay let's do it I feel like it'll be fucking phenomenal in 2025 but okay so you guys do you guys know how this works

it's going to be five levels and progressively harder as we go on level one Dwayne Wade or Jalen Brown Is Dwayne Wade is not close Yeah it's like The only thing that Jalen Brown is better than

Jane Wade is just like his three-point shooting But outside of that I'm taking Dwayway in every single aspect of the game Said too Dwayne Wade wins level one easy Level two Dwayne Wade or Anthony Davis Fuck man now we get to top 10 players now we get difficult This is hard Anthony Davis is so underrated

Shout out him that is true it's not hard it's Dwayne Wade I think Dway is closer to a top five players than he is the top 10 player AD is. Most definitely. At their best, it's Dwayne. Yeah, most definitely. The shout out AD. We're in different convos here.

Level three. Dwayne Wade or Jason Tatum. The fifth best player in the world. I don't care. It's Dwayne Wade. I'm going to the Wade. It's Dwayne Wade, but this is the point where I have to at least think about it because Jason Tatum is on that level.

Also an all-time great at this rate is Dwayne Wade. Dwayne Wade's offensive aggression and the, he be, the scoring level, he'd have in the downhill playmaking is a different level they'd also i need you to understand they'd hate doing wade today they'd call dwayne wade a foul merchant oh he'd be a huge foul merchant the way you can't stay in front of him as spacing he'd be 12 free throws a game even even back then just in the mirror and getting people up off of their feet on on pump fakes throwing his body into them they would call him a foul merchant for sure and he would be amazing because of it yes too many words for me b wade and he's a good shot blockers the defense isn't even a big gap doing Wade

level four now now we get spicy duane wade versus shea gilders alexander two of the best scoring guards of all time both good defenders both capable playmakers at their peak both just downhill demons for now i'm kind of thinking shay how much better could dwayne way possibly be than a guy averaging 32 being the MVP being a good defender

leading the best team in the league well how can we pass that okay the question is is dwayne wade bald Because Baldwin Wade That's a different animal Same beast, right? That's a different level So I don't

It's hard Imagine Dwayway with all this spacing today too In today's game I feel like I would see somebody that could almost do What She currently already does Yeah but we already seen what D Wade do We've seen D Wade do shit already And he

His resume is completed With Shea I feel very very strong It'll be completed in the same way Resumet doesn't mean shit How good are they going to be in 2025? You think Shea's the MVP. Do you think Dwayne Wade would be better than that? Yes.

He could be just, I think he could be better. I think he could be better. If you put, if you put Dwayne Wade with his peak athleticism, in today's league, I think, I think he could average 30. He could easily average 30. Would that make him better than Shea? Shea's a three level score. I also averages over 30, also a good defender.

What would make Dwayne Wade better? Shea is also an amazing rim score. way better shooter it's different it's different what's level five I guess I'm going to be away I guess am I voted listen I didn't make a choice

I just you did stand on it you made a choice if you asked a level five that means you picked him level five we got Yokic I'm out voted does he lose here at least

he loses there we go so apparently we think Dwayne Wade will be the second best player in the world but not the first that's fair all right it's not crazy I can't be mad are you picking way and wade it's a close conversation yeah and there we go next thing we're

going to do one got to go classic jersey edition oh no then a lot of which jersey's better older than juries so this is there's three options here you don't got to rank them just pick one that's the clear worst you know so rather simple first off we said three laker throwbacks which one got to go that yellow that initial gold has to stay it's going nowhere classic And when it was gold, not yellow? Yeah. Classic. It's really between the two blue ones.

And I'm leaning towards LeBron! You got to go. This is the first time ever. You're cutting your goal? Yeah. This is probably the first and the last time ever where I'm cutting LeBron. And you know what you made the right choice. This blue one that Shaq is wearing, that's a generation.

That's one. That's like a S-tier all-time great jersey. I love that. Yeah. Yeah, I love that one. And it's so nice because, and normally I'm not even on this kind of way, but to have an alternate that has nothing to do with like the current color scheme you just pull it out that is very very nice i'm not even a blue type of guy but it works same it made me want to

cripp rock white now all right you just start shaking yeah yeah we're cutting lebron cutting the white one that one's easy i think yeah next one we've got the three 90s classics this is hard as hell three of the best urges of all time the most character just the best 90s for sure, I think, are these three? I think one thing we can't say. This is too hard. I'm not cutting the suns, me personally. Me personally, I was going to say, I'm not cutting the rappers.

That sounds like the pistons might draw the short straw, which is horrible to say. But I don't know either. Yeah, I don't fucking know either. For me, it's the pistons. I love the sun. The purple with the black on the collar works so well with the bright white letters. The contrast is amazing. You can go with the Raptors because that's iconic.

The pistons is the worst of three amazing jerseys. Yeah. The dick. Yeah. No, but look. They have exhausts coming out from under the pissing There's something nice detail But guess what though

That's terrible for the fucking environment bro Horrendous They're not carbon neutral Exactly Why do you think I care about that? I think you should Do you want a better life for your kids And their kids in the future?

Exactly Do you want to leave them a planet that can survive So y'all don't like seeing old school Cadillacs riding out No I see you guys stand It's okay This is an easy podcast

I don't I'll cut the pistons I actually think I'd low key might cut the Raptors but people would kill me if I said that so I'll cut the pistons Well you said it We got ooh

The Bulls the Spurs or the Denver Nuggets I'm gonna The Nuggets have to stay Nuggets have to stay Yes I think the nuggets are the easy cut to me Woo But listen you guys know how I feel about 2000 jerseys I'm going for the classic look

Every time I feel like the 2000s jerseys I don't like the shininess I don't like give me the other looks You don't like swag That's what it is and I can see that I don't know how the fuck you look at that and say that has more swag than Michael Jordan George Gervin in those jerseys that Michael Jordan jersey looks so empty right now there's

too much space on yeah way too into entirely too much beautiful the simplicity is so good it's it's nice it's it's cool it's cool but it just is getting cut yeah you guys are insane you guys are insane it got to get cut that baby blue there's it's very hard to mess up baby blue jerseys and that one is not the exception that nostalgia is crazy Next up. Ooh. Jazz magic or hawks. I'll say this first and foremost.

I am not cutting the Orlando magic. I will not allow it. I was going to say secondly, the Utah Jazz had to fucking stay. And I hate that I'm saying that. All right. Goodbye, Hawks. Fairly simple.

Yeah, that one's actually the easiest one. Listen, you know how I feel about gradient. That's going to be the deciding factor. But we don't know. This is one of the best gradient jerseys of all. Oh, it's the best gradient jersey for sure. It's the best of what you can do. Nevertheless, it's a gradient.

The other two don't got it. And they're also fantastic. Goodbye. Yes. Tough. I want to have an opportunity to shit on the Hawks. I'm going to take it. Next up, we got the Mavs, the Hawks, or the Spurs.

One got to go. Holy shit. Why can't they all go? I know. The Hawks one has to go. Three of the worst jerseys of all times. The Hawks one, I actually, I like the Mavs one much more, like two tiers more than the Hawks. The Hawks jersey is two and one.

Motherfooks are trying to run cost efficiency things over there, bro. That is. Two and one jersey. That is. It's reversible, yes. I feel like I'm going to look at that and see Julie Newman just Yeah, it's going crazy. Home game in the morning, road game in the afternoon.

But listen, that Spurs Camel one with the sleeves is horrendous too. I used to think it was hard when I was younger. You were stupid when you were young. That's crazy. Did you not respect your country when you're young? Not that much. Not that much. Yeah, buy Hawks.

Yeah, it's a hawks. Are you not considering the Spurs? No. No, I'm okay. It sucks. It's wild to look at The Hawks have too many things going on The thing is that Hawks strategy's ass

When they're running the proper shorts You put these red shorts on for no reason And it's worse Double ass Double cheeked up On a Wednesday afternoon Get them out of here Next up

All right Pete Saturday Ray We got the three sleeve jerseys The Celtics jersey is the best year I think It's not I think the Wizards Maybe the best year I don't know

The Wizards have to stay I mean I don't Why is the Celtics Better than the Warriors They're both two two cheeks in the same ass Harrison Barnes was like a goddamn

Power Ranger in this picture right now It's such an offer picture He's proud as hell Like He looks weird So the wizard's So the wizard's insane So Wizards is saying

We just have to say We can all agree on that front For sure You know what? I think the Celtics one has to go Really? I do Why is it green on the shoulders

Like dividing it That looks stupid as fuck Yeah The Celtics one looks fake It just looks like It looks like we have an existing jersey And we sewed some extra fabric on there So you'd rather rock that one

That Harrison Barnes during what you're telling you? I guess so You're asking Hitler versus Stalin I don't know I would give me Stalin Ew Ew Ew

You could not put that shot on with that Warriors jersey Man you cannot tell me you can style that shit You could fuck with the Celtics You're asking me electric chair versus firing squad And I'm like maybe I'll make the firing squad miss I guess give me the Warriors Brother you're you don't mean that You don't mean that

I'm taking the words I've never seen either you guys were yellow a day in your life outside of you and the linkersersies you think i've worn gray and green like some for sure listen summer is I'm sorry some stuff there is something

I got you oh god my yellow bag does exist next up ooh the three throwback jerseys who had this next one with the with the New York symbol on the shorts Nick's got to stay that's special they don't use that very often you I'm sorry

you're saying too many words Buffalo get out of here I'm sorry you got to go I don't know if it's that simple I mean The Blazers are staying, right? The Knicks and Blazers are staying. I kind of like Buffalo. You just said you don't, you, you, you, you're Baby Blue.

You love Baby Blue. Sorry. But there's a lot of empty space. We got to be consistent. There's a lot of empty spaces with this Blazers jersey. The Blazers is not getting cut. Be quiet. No.

The Blazers as a whole, now listen, I can't speak to what they've been doing over the last two to three years. But for the first, like, 45, 50 years of the NBA, the Blazers have had one of the best rotations of jerseys. Okay. I can't be mad at either of these, bro. They're tough. Buffalo has to go.

I like the Buffalo more than the Nix, I think, but it's close, I suppose. That's white. Yeah. It's a terrible opinion. I'm sorry. The Buffalo branding is, it's blue. It's blue and white. It works.

Stick to podcasting, buddy. I'm not saying it doesn't work. I'm just saying it's not better than those two. The Nix one isn't like, whoa! I don't think it's like some exceptional jersey. It's fine. It's cool. It's not bad.

You're talking about it like it has to be protected under all costs, and I do not feel that way. you don't respect history man it's okay you're cutting whatever next up we got the Miami Heat Timberwolves or MLK Hawks

if you guys if you guys eliminate the Hawks I know exactly what you are choose carefully you choose carefully listen I'm an ally exactly

I'll kind of fuck at MLK I'm sorry he's in the head out of you would not be here right now if it wasn't for him. Hey man, shout out the Prince jersey. Shout out Miami.

That Miami jersey is amazing. 10 out of 10. I like the Prince one. That's the best one. The Prince one, the only thing that throws me off, I don't like the patch on the shoulder.

That's true. That's the only thing. I'm sorry, Martin. So you're cutting MLK as well? Yeah. Brother. Your dad would be so disappointed in you right now.

What are you talking about? I think that I might agree. Come on, man. What are you staying for? He's more Michael. It's fine. He's more Malcolm is ridiculous He's more Malcolm

And that's the end of that The next thing we're going to do We're going to go back to hoopgoat We're going to do another blind tier list And how this works You guys know It's a pyramid of sorts One spot up top

Two in the second row, three in the third row, four in the fourth row We've got to put these in this tier list This one's tough We've done this before Last time we did We did it perfectly when you weren't here. Let's see if we can come back, have our full squad here and carry that momentum forward.

This is blind. I don't know what the categories yet. Maybe sometimes a clear category emerges. Sometimes it's not. The first name, Chris Paul. He's an all-time point guard. I don't know. This is the hardest.

I'm not going tier one, though. It's always saying just to put Chris Paul in tier two. Yeah, yeah. You won't feel bad about him going tier two. I agree. Whereas if it was tier one and we lost that spot, I might feel bad. Yeah. Kobe Bryant's. Oh, fuck.

See, okay, we fucked ourselves. This is where you feel bad already. I. He has to be tier two. Yeah. Chris Paul is just too high then, but that's fine. I think we go Kobe Tier 2 and leave Tier 1 open. We'll live.

Yeah. Janus. Tier 3. Tier 3. Again, should he be above Chris Paul? Absolutely. We live and we learn. We've already lost that.

Let's keep going on Tier 3. Nicola Yokic. Jesus Christ. I mean, historically, right next to Janus and like every accolate, that feels fine to me. Go ahead. Go ahead, Tier 3. Yeah, I mean, could he get to Tier 1? Eventually? Maybe. We'll give them time, though. Tier 3 is fine.

Alan Iverson. Oh, he's the bottom tier. Tier 4. Easy. It makes, it makes sense, right? It sucks because once again, Chris Paul is too high on this. But that is fine. Alan Iverson is respected. And it's not slander, right? It's not slander putting him in tier 4. All the other guys are, again, all time great. He's what it is. And AI is too in his own right. He's just a different level. This isn't an exercise of having a perfect racket anymore. It's about recovery from. from a tough start, and I think Tier 4 helps here. Derek Rose, welcome to Tier 4, buddy. There we go. No conversation needed. Shack. He might be Tier 1.

This is what might make or break our fucking bracket. It would feel crazy to put Shaq under Chris Paul. Yeah. So he has to be Tier 1. And there's only like five players we feel bad about putting in Tier 1 above Shaq. So I feel like we can live with those odds. Put him to your 1. But if LeBron James shows up on this list.

And then we fucked up, but we're going Tier 1, Shaq. Joel Embed Tier 4 Damn You can't wait to say that I mean from tier 3 Next to the other two guys Yeah

The other two guys Have Chips You get it Fucking ring culture Fucking basketball reference watcher All right Tier 4

Tim Duncan Damn Say something now Okay Say something now He's the last Tier 3 player Listen

Easy He could have been tier 1 Say something now Kevin Garnett Oh fuck Well the moral of the story is Chris Paul

We're not going to put our faith in you ever again Wow Can't do it This is the worst one you've done But this easy is not It's not the worst Yeah The only fuck it was Chris Ball

If you put Chris Ball down Tim Duncan there That's a perfectly fine list Yeah That's true Like Kevin somebody had to draw the short stick It's Kevin Garnett sucks But it's not insane

Yeah Tough We trusted Chris This looks so bad on a resume Delete this footage Delete it Delete it It's not the worst one I've ever done

But it's not great Yeah. Damn. Damn. I'm just letting it marinate for a second. Don't. Damn, damn, damn. The next thing we're going to do.

Shout out of Zach Fox. Let's grade the best dunks of 2025. I picked out 10 that I think were the most memorable, most exciting, and so forth. We're going to grade them with our sticks, our letter grades. Yeah, man, it should be fun. Normally we rate dunks. So we're mixing it up our measuring a little bit. See if that changes anything.

First one we have, we have Janus dunking against the bulls. All on Nicola Vucevich. I remember this one, bro. This one was filthy. I do remember this. This was a bad pass. Why would you set him up? Ayo sets him up.

No. Look at that. Dude, it looks like two skyscrapers is falling down. If we were rating it, this would be a 10. Back on the ground, automatic A. And Janus does his patented little snarl after he rubs on your face. Does his little automatic A. I thought he's growling.

Back is on the ground. Aura points are attached to it. Is this the, how? How many better dunks have in the recent years? This might be the best one that last like five years. It's like Nicole Vutchevich had no choice but to put his arm straight up, but he couldn't move.

And his feet are in the air? Oh my God. He just stuck, bro. Oh, no, not this. Yeah, not only is his back on the ground, the feet are cockroach mode. Embarrassing. Embarrassing.

And it's so funny. It's so like, it's so funny to set up your teammate like this to just get decimated. And he didn't even, dude, falling and not even jumping is hilarious. It was like, Teamberg! Your feet were firmly on the ground.

That makes it so much worse. Straight force. Your feet were firmly on the ground and you still couldn't stand strong. That's hilarious. Okay, that's an easy A. We started with a really good one. It's undeatable. And these are all a great dunk, so we've got to get...

Of course. Next up we have Christian Brown dunking on Rudy Gobert, dunking on a DPOI-level defender in a rivalry matchup. I'll go see because it's not a true... I'm dunking. It's not a real body. I think I put the wrong link. Oh, okay.

Wow. Remember, there's the one, it's supposed to be the one. Okay, yeah, this is the wrong video. It's the dunk that you've seen the picture on the left side

when he dunks on him and then Rudy Goberra gets so mad that he fucking fouls him. Ah, okay. I linked the wrong game. God damn it. Okay. But you guys remember.

Fills that one, it was... We're not doing this one. Remember the one that... Let's say B. I'm going to give that one to B. I don't know. Dunkin on him so hard

that Rudy Goberer gets mad and has to, like, clothesline you, is hilarious. Rudy Good Bear always gets mad. No, he don't really. He just says attitude's once in a while. Because he knows he got a target on his back. I'll still go be. I'll go be.

If the bar right now is, like, putting somebody on their back, I will go be. This is the right one. Oh, this is the right one. I got to pull them. Look at him. He ducks on him. Oh, then he gloats on him. Rudy Gobert fucking puts him in a choke hole, throws him.

Oh, he had an attitude, Rudy. So the dunk, the dunk is really, really good. the the afterwards of it I'm not considering that in the actual don't I will go be plowed

you gotta think about the whole picture here if it led to a kerfuffle that gives it points kerfuffle he didn't win it he wasn't gonna do anything he didn't win it

he wasn't gonna do anything let's watch let's watch this fucking head and neck for a second rickobar didn't win shit Rudy Colbert looks like a baby what do you mean

I actually know that's two hands that's very hard to still get up that high over some footer that's power I'm going in and then Rudy Gober has to

lash out look at him Rudy can't take you look at this Rudy can't take you look at this bro damn and he stood tall Rudy go bears is a baby hey dunk on him again he saw Russ coming he said no

hey dunk on him again Rudy go bear deserves it Russ no this is a good dump but I'm leaving for B where you go there's a baby okay that's food

it's food next one pull these back up well I want to slide go oh we got Jalen Green dunking on

Cade Cunningham. This dunk right here was, I don't know if generally will ever win a defensive player or MVP award be an All-Star, but if there's one thing that will hang on his Frick forever is dunk on on Cade Cunningham. That's an amazing. And Cade looks dejected after. They got a little rivalry, so there's a little bonus points there for some bad blood. Yeah.

I'm going to be. And he's firming losing the rivalry. But one thing he can't say is that I dunk in this motherfucker. I put my nuts in his face for a second. But see, he did it though. It wasn't a nuts and face type of dunk. Exactly. It wasn't the craziest poster.

It's very emphatic, but the body-to-body contact that you need for a true poster, that wasn't necessarily there. Yeah. It's a solid be, though. Yeah. Really? Jaylon Green had like four posted dunks this year. I only included one because I didn't want him to spam me with Jaylon Green, but he's had a lot of dunks the season. He's a ridiculous athlete.

Yeah, he's jumping different. All right. Next up, we got Daniel Gafford on Zach Collins. This is a post just like straight up over your head, shack type of dunk. This is classic. It is. Let me see this angle. Just shoulder to the chest, ran him backwards. He's the yonest type dunk, bro.

That's at least a B. I'll go, I'll go B. Just because, again, the body-to-body contact on the actual dunk, he gets rid of Zach Collins with the shoulder. I'm going to be. No real running start either. I'm thinking about, like, the difficult view is. I might give this an A.

He's seven feet. He's like 610. He's not that big. He got shoes on. He's 611. Getting a dunk off like that is genuinely hard as hell. It is. It is hard.

I'm still going to be. Okay. But he's fine. Next one. We got Jalen. Oh, this is tough. Jalen Brown on Jalen Smith. Here we go.

Jalen on Jalen violence? Dude, double Jays. Here we go. Screen set. On the red court. Guess what? Downhill. Oh.

Jalen jumps straight A. Easy A. Jalen got vertical. He got verticaler. New term unlocked. A fuck, And in the Emirates NBA Cup Special

I like that I like that The whole world watching On the red court What makes this worse Is that Jalen Smith was He genuinely thought he had it for a second But he was a second too late

Hey And then Jaylon flexed on him Anytime you flex on someone after a dunk You gotta get those little style of points in there What do you say? He barked at him He was like get a bitch or something like that You a bitch

Jump pussy You said something I don't know what he said But it was probably funny Wow Yeah we're going there Easy A Okay

Next one DeAndre Hunter On Victor Wenbignano I remember this like it was yesterday This was my NBA finals This was my Super Bowl bro This was everything to me Bro you put

Not only did you dunk on Vic You put him on his back And you stared down at him This is an A This is an S plus plus What is going on with you right now Why is this an F? You need to pop it out of your mouth

This is an A tier Jumping all over your face right now Hop bounce, bounce, bounce Get off of it This is an A Speak Pop it out, then speak It's too deep

It's too deep bit He can't talk He can't breathe He lost his ability We're not We're doing a lot here Doing a lot Look at this bro

I generally thought Vic had it for a second Dude don't get on Vic Again putting him on his back in a dunk is so crazy There's not in many BBA players in history. He did be that automatic game.

Vic would never be in that compromising a position again. Nick was so fucking mad at him. You got to swing. Damn, he's looking down at him as well, bro. He's degrading him as a man. Like this is like the worst moment of Vic's career, right? He's never going to be this down bad again.

Probably not. And this is the best moment of DeAndre Hunter's career, right? This is number one on his highlight career tape it. He's in a frame this and put in his house for the rest of his life. His kids are going to know about this? This is your king? I slayed him. Oh, nice.

Okay. Next up, Tomlin was bouncing on it crazy He just said, I just been there No reason, no reaction Just aft We got LeBron on Derek lively This one's crazy too

Because look at this Look how LeBron does it It's not just a regular LeBron Tomahawk dunk Wait, did we see this Gets the rebound, kicks it out There we go It's a reverse at 40 years old

Over a seven footer It's a hand switch That's what it is, not a reverse It's a hand switch at 40 years old Over a seven footer that's tough that's tough he came out of

nowhere too like the level of difficulty is there as much body contact though yes I mean not as much as Jaylon Brown

well listen Jaylon Brown I need the I need the replay yeah it's a bad angle yeah I'm gonna give it

the hand switch come on the hand switch is is impressive but no hey you do get style points I don't know

it's an A or B fuck us up on I'm gonna give me A and you got foul too I hitting the shoulder that is an one and one yeah

all right let's say call it I'll go ahead and one And I can't help but apply the 40 year old tax Like that's fucking ridiculous And it's LeBron It's easy I mean giving me at all times

Bouncing on it crazy Exactly I will do that You were bouncing on a crazier But he's bouncing on it a little bit Yeah you were doing tricks on it He's just Next up

We got Anthony Edwards On Anthony Black Anthony on Anthony action Anthony squared in this dog Oh this is so embarrassing Bro, he had a duck-in-cover mid-play And then what made it worse Is that Anthony Edwards looked at him in the eyes

And Anthony Black just turned the other way He wanted no partner He just took it? Yeah, he's like, you got it, bro. This is probably Dunk of the Year, right? I don't know. I don't know. It's up there.

It's in competition. It's definitely up there. In terms of the straight embarrassment, yeah, it's okay. Now, it's a small target, so maybe that takes away points from Dunk of the Year. But also, get out the way then.

Is he a really small target? He's a great defense. He's a damn height. No, you so. He's an aright defender. Oh, look. Damn, this is such a bitch. Don't why you run away, mid-dunk.

Just take it if you're going to take it. It's a bad look. He's a bad look. Oh, man, this is not a good look. He committed halfway and immediately. And then immediately afterwards, he smiled a little bit, bro. He's like, hey, got it. Like, God.

Yeah, you got to punch him in the nose. Yeah, he glazed a little bit right afterwards. He's like, yeah, that's so tough, bro. He said, he said, ooh, you're o'er is too tough, bro. Yeah, bro. Oh, wow. Oh, man. Look at that bitch he's fighting for his life.

He's like a natural disaster just happened to him. He's like he's ducking bullets right now. Why is he running like that? He's in The Matrix. Yeah. It's like he was so indecisive and he just decided way too late. You changed halfway through his path. Regretted it.

Oh, man. Dunk of the Year contender. So far, it's the best one on here. Yeah, easy, easy, easy. Next up, we got Jalen Johnson on Jalen Duren. Oh, wow. We got a lot of Jalen on. We got a name on it.

name action here today okay oh that was a lot of that was real vertical that was so strong time out though that was hot watch the replay watch the replay watch the replay that's a lot of body that was like jalen durin too he elevated it as he made the contact he kept going up that's tough

I'm going to be what I be watch the replay look what he does he goes up uses the knee as get the fuck out of here no fuck who cares dude he lost the ball mid air recovered it I fucking he lost the ball in

I'm going to be he uses the knee as a shield Hey they didn't call it who cares Look at this he lost the ball and still Recovered it and finished it Bubbleed it In the air That's a trick shot That's a trick shot

That's tough That's tough The recovery Oh where to go Poster That's tough I'm going to be Dude I'm one of the strongest guys in the league

You gotta add that tax to it Nah man Hey I'm feeling generous today This is a A We're going to be If there's any fancy detail like switching hands, losing the ball. I'm going to give it props for that.

Yeah, exactly, bro. He used the knee as a shield. Who cares? You didn't call that shit. I'm not saying it's a foul. We're rating it on a prison. Don't care. You use that.

Next up. First of all, this screenshot is crazy. He looks like he buffed in his ass. Yeah. Why is he horizontal? You got Shaden Sharp against the Wizards. Another contender for dunk at the ear. Shaden sharp, man.

We'll see how we feel after this compared to Anthony Edwards. Intercepts it. Oh my God. He's horizontal mid-air. he jumped from so far out that is so much air julian champagne i'm so sorry or justin don't know which one it is but who it is your last name is ruined forsaking the family name exactly like interception oh my god oh he was concussed himself he was like on the ground and still reached up and did it like for who the horizontal is this dunk in the year it might be see but he

But again, he doesn't dunk, there's not enough body-to-body contact. He was horizontal, though. That's why. He rose up with him. That's good defense. Look, that's chest to chest almost. I don't give him this an A. That's a plus. A.

I'm on anna out of days today. To what deserved. It might be dunk in the year. Maybe ants better, but that's second. For who's horizontal mid-air? That's insane. That's ridiculous. And I think this is the last one.

All right, man. Those are the best dunks of the year. I think he's probably Ant then, right? Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. Yeah, close, close second for Shane and Sharp. Sorry.

Last thing we're going to do, let's do another King of the Court game. You guys know how this works. I'm going to list two NBA players. You tell me who would win. And then the winner faces the next name I'd say, and the next name and the next name. And at the end of 10 names, we'll see who is the last name to be real on there. Okay. King of the Court, okay.

This one's going to be special, though, because we're going to do elite defenders in NBA history. Oh, this is a nasty bucket contest. It's a disgusting content. to finish this. Yeah. But hey, we're going to have the contest regardless.

So who would win this king of the court game? First matchup, Rudy Gobert versus Draymond Green. It's Dremont Green. Dremont. Dremont.

Dremont wins easy. I don't know if he does. I feel like Rudy Gaubert can post him up maybe. It's a one-on-one. Stop, but Rudy Gaubert is, as an offensive player

looks like one of the most uncoordinated offensive players we've ever seen. What does Dramon do with three dribbles? He can run straight to the rim. I guess Rudy Gober He can't dribble Rudy can't dribble

He can't do anything within Two feet of the basket It's gonna take Rudy Gobert Like 10 dribbles just to get Okay, it's not through dribbles There's some big man on here So I guess you don't want to set that precedent Five dribbles

It doesn't matter It's still Drimaud. Yeah, it doesn't really matter Dremont can shoot Okay, well it'll be a rock fight But sure Dremont will probably make some buckets shooting

I would give Dremont two shots And then he would Dremont is winning this game He is not losing to Rudy-Go bear He is not losing He won't win this game by any means possible, bro He's not losing that game Yeah, it's sort of like anything

He's going to win this game He'll be damn, but I think he'll lose to RICO Joe, what is his problem? Why are you shaking me? He's not. You pulled a shake up. No, remember he did that on the timeline. Oh, he did!

And he was like, that's so crazy. He's like, he's so crazy. He's ridiculous. He's not normal. Oh, bad. Dremont Green versus Ben Wallace.

Yo. If Rudy Gobert can't do anything, Ben Wall's dancer. Well, Ben's going to fight that. That's what I'm saying. Oh, okay, this is, it's not going to shoot him, not outshank him. It's a different.

The only thing. We're all talking about basketball right now. The only time. a fight-win breakout would be between Draymond and Rudy everybody else is like playing actual basketball Yeah, Draymond respects Ben Wallace He's not going to pull out a weapon

Yeah I think I might lean towards Dremon Yeah, okay The bag Dramon Greene versus Marcus Smart Hmm Neither one of them are like

Threats off the dribble I guess it would be a bigger guy I'll go Dremont Marcus Smart is a bigger threat off the dribble I see him do plenty of things Dremont's locking that shit up I'm going to bigger guy Give you Draymond

Is Dremont the most Offensively skilled Defender of all time. Let's find out. Dremont versus Asar Thompson. He has a handle. Can't shoot, but he can... Oh, yeah, I'm leaning towards

Dremon for sure. He had the shooting? Yeah, I think you have to be able to do. Yeah, he's bigger, but Asar as an athlete, like, if Asar gets one stop, he got it because he's going to blow by Dremont. No, he's so smart, though. He knows where you're going.

Dremont guards the best players of all time. I think he can stay in front of Assar Thompson. Yeah. One of the best athletes of all time? Yes. This isn't a man. I didn't put a man on here for a reason. Same person.

A man would be the man would have won this list. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So are we going, Dremont? Yeah. I'm going to dream on. Okay. Dremont versus Ron Artest.

Now I'm probably going to mean towards a Rortez has some years. I'm taking Ron our test. Yeah, I'm taking Ron our test. He had a year where he averaged almost 20. He got some buckets at one point. Yeah. And in the 2000s, you, listen, if you put the deadball air attacks, that's like 25 today. Yeah, that's like 27 to me, shit.

Okay, 27. 10, 19 to 22. gigantic joke fucking 30 Ron Artes versus Dennis Rodman Ron our test is taking this

Ron Artis is smoking him Yeah I got to run Run our test versus John Isaac It's a big bite That's probably a really

A one-on-one defender It is John Isaac is long Ron Artis is I do feel like pound for pound He might be one of the five strongest guys in NBA

And he's still on his elbows and those ribs You know John Isaac Bruce is easy He's got an elbow And he's going home And you know Ron Artax Elbows work. So I'm going to run our test here.

Yeah, I like that. Ron our test or Andre Roberson. Oh, my God. Listen. Andre Robeson is a legendary, not offensive players. The levels to which his offense was bad, we've honestly maybe have never seen. I'm going Ron Artis.

He was a dying breed. Okay. I am definitely going on artists. They literally don't make him like that. I mean, they do. He's on the Lakers, but. Ron Artecest or Andre Carolingo. Last one.

It's AK-40. Oh, I don't know. It's tough. As a defender, though, I mean, Ron can lock him up, though. Think about the length that he has to face. Ron Ar-Test is also super, like, he's not, he's not sure. He's not stubby. He's not.

Because he's like, boy, he's like 6-7-6-8? Probably 6-7. Yeah. He's a long wingsman, though. Big shoulders. Yeah, true. I don't know. I'm going to run our test.

Yeah. I think it would be a fun outcome with Ron our test won, so I'm going to run our test. Ron our test is the most offensively skilled defender of all time. We're going with team biceps over here. Okay, there we go.

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