The Deep 3 Podcast - Grading The Knicks Trade, Reacting Ja Morant Drama, & More! | TD3 Live

Episode Date: January 3, 2024

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We appreciate y'all joining in early. We got a few hundred people in here right away. It's going to be fun. Yeah, man. You were asking us something before we got on, and I never asked you. During your childhood, how much of a fan of Neo were you? Of Neo. massive I was spamming mis-independent in my little headphones my iPod

knew it was my fucking guy really what's really wow I didn't know that yeah I'm a sucker for a review from a young age yeah man I see everybody everybody in the chat is mealy asking how does Donovan feel about the next trade has Donovan feel about the next trade you season the title that's the first thing we're gonna talk about we're gonna talk about it at length we're gonna grade the trade you know what let's just jump straight to it Donovan the floor is yours how do you feel about this trade But I still came on, Don.

Let's go. While I am sad to see my beloved, Emmanuel quickly go, again, I'm happy that he's going to go somewhere where his talents can flourish and he could be the best version of himself. And that's really what true love is, right? Wanting the best for somebody, even if it's not with you, right? You guys, some of you guys aren't grown to understand that, right? That's really what it is. You better man and me. Listen, so for Emmanuel quickly, go on.

RJ Barrett, you get to go home, go to the crib. I'm happy for the Knicks. Hey, we're up. Like, I don't know why. Like, I understand everybody's upset because quickly got traded. Guys, you got the best player in the trade. You won. For now.

Listen, Masahu Jiri was asking for four first round picks. Seven first round picks. Your firstborn son and two legs for OG last. We got them and we didn't have to give up a first round pick. We got it. We got the deal done. We're good. And, like, worst.

case scenario, OG doesn't resign, which is, it's not even like a fathomable thing that the Nix would make this trade and not think that, like, O.G. would resign. It's just, like, it's just not going to happen. But let's say that that happened, right? He just hates the next four months. And O.G. doesn't resign. We get off the RJ Barrett's contract and we get flexibility from not having to pay quickly because either we pay quickly. And now he's the highest paid backup point guard in the league or we let him walk and now we have actual space to go get another star cap wise it makes sense team construction wise it makes sense asset wise it makes sense this is a great deal for the new york nix and i'm extremely happy that that we did this and for tom tibito who's

going to play people 49 minutes a night now we have good players to play 49 minutes a night and it's not a move for this year because as soon as as soon as Mitchell Robinson went down for the year any type of like Cinderella story that the Knicks wanted to have that went out the door because the offensive rebounding and the defense that he provides helps the offense

take it, it gives the offensive floor when you know that you're going to get an extra six or seven possessions because of his rebound. Once he goes out, we're done with that. Next year though, when you have a lineup of Brunson what are we going to start with you? We'll go like Brunson, Brian,

right brunson grimes o g randall robinson we're cooking right that's a solid base to where we can be flexible and do some stuff and julius randall's probably not going to be here next year so we're going to be even more flexible like it's the hardest is i've ever seen this is the biggest iso ever this is great yeah we love it it's a fantastic move for the next fans and again i understand quickly's gone shout out to the homie but we had to do what was best for us so this is fantastic love it while while you were ranting we got a quick donation got a shout out shout out to one two three who donated one dollars he said why does gordon hayward kind of look like cobi did you all see that that's what i never saw that i'll find it while you talk yeah but i agree

with everything you said i think um undoubtedly a good move i think emmanuel quickly is the type of guy you want to have long term i see why the raptors targeted him in this deal i think he can make a tyrese maxi esk leap maybe not quite the level tyrese did this year because like he's legit star but quickly he's a guy you want to buy stocking like he's going to be extremely good of giving starter minutes in a started role oh jana nobys there's a reason he was the most coveted trade asset on the market for every team that wanted to be good and have a winning roster if you already have a star and you can put ogy annonobie as the on ball defender next to those ball handlers he fits like a glove you said he's gonna play 45 minutes a night because everybody

does for tibs exactly he's the type of on ball defender you just like slap on new jason tatum slap on to uh anthony edwards whoever he has assignment all night you don't got to worry about I don't know how a Knicks fan could not be okay with this trade. Yeah. It's just emotional. It's just emotional. That's literally it. But if you actually look at the basketball aspect of this, it is a good deal for both

sides, right? Because for the Raptors, oh, dude was going to walk anyway. You guys had, they had no direction. And so now they can finally make a move to where it looks like, oh, you guys actually want to be good two years from now. You guys want to start moving forward. Chat, look at this. Look at this picture of Gordon Hey, or chat.

Yeah. Is Gordon here? That's crazy. Is he white Kobe or is he not? That's crazy. That's cool. This is hilarious. He got the same head and jaw and all that, really.

That's in the same nose, too. That's what sells it. Wow. I love it. Who do you guys think won the trade? Mo, I'll ask you that because Donovan clearly likes it for both sides. Do you think anybody won the trade, Mo? Yeah.

So I think it's, in my opinion, because of the, potential of all the potential different directions that the nicks can go in i think they won the trade because they don't have r j barrett anymore you immediately get so much better as a basketball team that's no hate or shame to r j barrett that's just how this game of life goes you know and along with that like donovan said you have all the capsweights in the world to do whatever you want you know and so on top of that on top of that again you don't have to deal with bear that's just the biggest thing i will say as the next hater as someone who's just a part of my person i was just hating new york i

fell to my knees when i saw this train i got so sad i was sick to my stomach why because any argument that i try to have a donovan about the nicks and the hawks i lose immediately i can't say shit no more i can't say shit so with that being said the nicks for sure won uh but i will say also i don't think this is necessarily a bad trade for the Toronto Raptors, even though they didn't see a pick coming back or anything like that, because it's their own fault. Messiah shot himself in the foot by waiting way too long to trade, O'Giano Nobi. But they did get a piece in the manual quickly, who we all see a real feature in him becoming

a potential all-star player, all-star-s guy, someone can get you efficient 20 points per game, always shooting 40% of him for three. That's his game, and that's the type of player that you need alongside someone like Scotty Barnes. Now, they got back RJ Barrett, again, that hurts because he's R.J. Barrett, and he's just really mid at, like, everything. But he's not, like, a complete negative on the court. So he's just a filler player, and that contract really hurts, too. But it's okay at the end of the day.

You're not playing for sure. We're running a poll right now, and right now, 69% of people were saying the Knicks won the trade over the Raptors. And it's a bit surprising because when I looked on Twitter, Knicks fans hate this trade. I think the general public agrees that Nix want it because, like, they see OG and I know. be going to a winning team and they're like fucking perfect. I feel like most, not most, because, you know, Twitter is not the accurate example, the whole fan base, but a lot of Nick's fans were pissed that they got rid of Emmanuel quickly.

Do you guys like understand that or are they being dramatic? I mean, I totally understand it, right? Like if there is an emotional tie to Emmanuel quickly and for somebody who be like drafted and saw kind of blossom into the player that he is right now, and then to have, to have the back court. And I think a lot of it is short-sided just because you look at the move and now if you look at the Knicks bench,

not having a manual quickly coming off the bench severely depletes it. 100%. That was a strong suit for them for years. Yeah. And so for this year, and that's why I'm saying that this is a long-term play. This is a next year type of move

because now you have, now you don't have like the 20 points per game, the 18 points per game, game, whatever, coming off the bench, giving your offense a spark. And so in a sense, it kind of feels like the Knicks might be giving up on the season because you just don't have that punch, but it's fine. Like, it's next year. Next year, everything is going to be okay. Stephen A. Smith went on first take and he said, I'm not moved with the Knicks Raptors trade. Emmanuel quickly, I did not want to lose him. Not having him there, to me, puts a lot more

on Jalen Brunson. It doesn't improve the chances to beat Boston or Milwaukee. I, the first terrible take i understand this okay second half sucks i'm sorry i'm sorry this take was in this context it's taken out a little bit out of context because after this he goes on to say that like if this is the only move that the nix do then he's not moved to buy it right yeah yeah he wants this move to be followed up by a donovan mitchell a car a car anthony town something like that so like and in that sense i can i can understand that right if your master plan was just to go get o j and obi and that's it then yeah, you guys aren't really operating at a high level. Some of the chats at Isaac, you look like somebody I know.

Nice. Nice. Yeah, I don't, I say the part that I find bothersome is he says it doesn't improve the chances to beat Boston or Milwaukee. Emmanuel quickly has done nothing for them in playoffs, which part of it he was hurt in the playoffs last year. Part of it, you know, Tibbs runs the stars into the ground, Jen and Brunsonsons again most of minutes. Quickly just hasn't had great playoffs here so far. Granted he's young. I think

OG and Obie is clearly an archetype of player that helps you in the playoffs I think. I think he gives you a lot of versatility. You can play him with the five

and have a line of us with him and Julie's Randall he can guard up like that. He can just give you a lot of versatility type of lines you can do you can throw them on to Jason Tatum,

throw him on a Jatham Brown. Like, they didn't have anybody beforehand that can match up with those type of guys. Granted defense isn't just like one-on-one

in that way, so it's not that simple. But that's a pretty great tool to have from a team that's trying to make make serious noise and i think if you already have your two main creators in julius randall and jalen brunson i don't know how he couldn't help you the playoffs like he's he's that level player

that fits perfectly yeah and even if this was obviously we don't think like the nakes are just going to stop from here on there but even if it is point blank period you got you got better at the end of the day compared to you were where you were yesterday and i think because of this we can all agree because they do match up better alongside the boston's and milwaukee's and whoever else you want to throw in of the world and i love immmanuel quickly as much as anyone i thought he probably should have won six minutes of the year last year he was one of my he was i think he was one of my predictions or so and um but with that being said last year's playoffs he put up like nine points and he saw like 35% from the field what are we talking about here although he's a great player like he's not moving

He's not moving needles. He's not moving mountains for the team concurrently constructed, and that's only because you have someone like Jalen Brunson there. Yeah, and in a certain point, like, you can latch onto the idea of what Emmanuel Quicken could be, but we just know he was never going to be maximized here. Like, you're, we know there's, there's been a lot of talk lately about Jalen Brunson and how is he big enough to be the number one player on a championship team. This is his hike going to hold him back, and a lot of it has been, like, very reductive, but like, there is something to be said about it's hard for a small creator to have that championship caliber level in them. And whether that's true or not, I can assure you that if there is a way for Jalen Brunson to be the best player at championship level team, it's not by starting another 6-3 guard next to him. That's never going to be the championship formula for them. So it's better to get sell high on quickly while you can because you know he's not going to be in your future long term.

And OG can be there long term. Like you can fit him with this version of the team, a version with Donovan Mitchell, a version with whatever other star you want to put into there next to Jalen Brunson. OG is always going to fit that equation. Yeah. And for the Knicks, like you, you have to make the move right now because Brunson is on probably the best deal in the league, right? To have somebody playing at that level and getting paid $25 million, which is like him, him and RJ Barrett, right? Like, we're making similar money.

Like, that is the level of deal that, well, maybe I can't remember RJ's contract, exactly. He's making about 28 this year. It's 30 on average. Okay, cool. Yeah, so it's it's a better deal, right? You're getting Jalen Brunson for cheaper than what you were paying for R.J. Barrier. And to have that for two more years, now is your time. Now is your window to have the flexibility to go put out an actual championship roster around Brunson.

So you kind of have to make the sacrifice, right? And Moe brought it up earlier. These are, this is quickly's exact stateline from last year's playoffs. Eight games, eight games, 22 minutes a night. points one assist 1.6 rebounds 24% from three 35% from the field yeah I've give me OD and Odi to give some defense like I'd I'd much rather to take that than what quickly gave me 100% and um look at the street's pulled up right now per Ian Begley a lot of members that Nix believe they still have had enough

to make another trade clearly clearly they believe that so it's not saying much but they didn't give up a single first-on-pick in this trade and they have first-on-pick some other teams coming in, have all their picks still, like, they clearly have another move in the cupboard. So, like, to the point you said earlier with Stephen A's reaction, like, if this is the only move, I'm not moved, it's not going to be the only move. There's no way this is the only move.

Like, they clearly have a ton of flexibility and they have to do something with these assets at some point. It's not going to be filling this roster of young players on the tips team. That's not the answer. So whatever the move is, like, there's been a lot of talk about Carlin County Towns, which I don't know why we're still talking about Carleton Town straights because there's a one seed,

but whoever that player is, they are in a good position going, afford because of this deal absolutely i agree before we turn the page just quick two cents for the raptors fan what do you guys think about this trade on their end um i think it's i think it's it's a good deal i think you have you can get another young creator in there being quickly with somebody who can score and pair you know really well with scotty barns and then to have just like finding competent NBA players at a certain point is kind of hard and r j barrett like again he's not great he's a competent NBA player he's okay like he's fine so it's it's a good deal

i think um it's great i think chat let me know what you think chat let's move over to grading these deals chat what what would you grade this deal for the raptors i want to hear from you guys as i explain but i think it's great i think we've been talking about the fact for years now that they need to make a deal all we've cared about is when will the rafters trade oji danobi when will they trade pascal siacom it's been like the only thing we can think about so the fact we finally did it i think it's stupendous i think it's great right i don't even care what they get back for him thank god they're making moves towards blowing things up and finally changing their trajectory and building around scotty barnes appropriately

and in terms of what it takes to build around scotty barns spacing they don't have any of it he's a slasher he's an all ball creator good passer no shooting around him to be able to like let that thrive and quickly he's the perfect point guard i think to do that he brings that off the dribble shooting brings the spot up shooting he can be a secondary ball handler with scotty like they they mesh each other so perfectly i think that i understand why they decided that they don't have to get all the draftics because they can see themselves having a player that fits them long term because he you can you can see quickly driving with them so good what return plus it's good for what a signal's going forward yeah and real quick for the for the next like you're going to have to get another

backup point guard in the building listen there's one coming in the draft six three point guard who would be great as a backup his name is brawny james oh my dad if they did him and his father who has a player option for next year him and his father can come play in the garden together and you can get everything rolling so I'm seeing a lot of like solid B pluses A minus stuff like that for the Raptors I understand that that's about what I'd say

real quick we have another donation a shout out shout out to submerge he said a couple of podcasts ago one of you said the Knicks would probably end up the four seat in the east and none of you all blinked before the OG trade how is that not the most ridiculous statement ever I'm assuming he means he thinks they'll be worse

from the four seed? I don't know. If this thing was healthy and they had Robinson, I don't think that that is a ridiculous statement to say that they were the four seed. Yeah, it's not ridiculous at all. Yeah, exactly. I think you said that, Donovan,

and I think we were arguing between like, oh, the Hawks would be better, four or five seed or whatever. And I'm just like, okay, you know what I'm saying? And that's not crazy to say it all because they're a solid regular season team that to Tibbs led to you, so they compete really fucking hard every night.

So even with this move being made, they're, what, a seventh seed, I believe? They're 18 and 15 right now. The 4 seed is 19 and 13. One more win. Like, it wasn't crazy at all. Obviously, Mitchell Robinson going out for the season changed that equation a lot. I don't think Donovan would have predicted them to be the 4th seed with that in mind. But I don't know why we're acting like the Knicks of the fucking 12 seed.

Yeah, that was just a straight-up hater take. I wouldn't even say nothing like that, man. Come on now. Mods, I see you guys in the chat. Let them spam a little bit. It's okay if they spam. We don't got to time everybody out for spamming. Let them have fun.

Get those chats up. It's good for us anyways for the algorithm. So let them cook a little bit. Oh, another donation. Mariah Mills said, one of you should start making content like that Drew Walls guy. Oh, they said, oh, I got it.

Let me get my impression real quick. Oh, my wife. Listen. Oh, you got the ringlet over there. Got that tripod? Let's get it. Yeah, 100% brings his tripod everywhere. Look at this.

Yeah, span of these crayons where I'm watching this day and the life of Mo, a day in the life of a podcaster. I would love to see this in New York, and Mo is filming himself trying to get on the subway and tries to, like, get back off, but then the subway takes off. That's crazy. See, I got up to look for these.

For those who haven't been, haven't tapped into the episode 68 that we did, as he gave me a present, oh let's go get them out let's go people in the chat we're asking about the shundies let's get them out i love it that's what they're asking for it is what y'all have i worn him hell not what's the jim i'm worried but right now but these will be potentially a prop on my set when i forgot about no they reminds me i got to open your package exactly y'all so everyone in that episode or a few people in an episode was like what about Isaac I didn't get no gift no

hasn't got a gift it didn't just it just didn't show up on time man during this stream I just gonna unpack what I got him for I do it out I forgot about that so I put my ISO camera on everybody eats Mo got me a gift he sent it expressed from the Bronx one day shipping it's $50 to get this over here on time it's crazy that's I'm gonna turn this package is beat the fuck up they through the shit with the rats. This is crazy. Let me open this.

Okay. Uh-oh. It's a Lakers-related gift. Right now, it looks like a jersey. I feel like I'm about to be fucked with, so let's not get too excited. This might be horrible. Let's see. I'm not looking yet.

I'm going to show you guys the back of it before I show myself. We need like, stream. We need like 400,500 likes on this bitch. Ah! I can't see it. Who is it? Oh my God. my god oh my god you're the number one much in this bitch you're the number one

months if anybody watches td3 you know the second that isaac watches footage of anybody any single player in the NBA he is on their meat like no other he is slobbering like there's no tomorrow what are you talking about what the fuck you tell me about everything they love bro that is Isaac number one much that is amazing that is amazing one yeah yeah Rock the journey for the stream. Yeah, rock it. He tried to go months for months for me. One of the last episodes.

Or it was during the summer, I think, actually. Yeah. What's going on? Proud. There we go. We love to see it. And with that big said, we need to 400 likes to the screen. A month.

Oh, that is hilarious, bro. We need that as PPPs for y'all. Now, you were going crazy with much for everybody. What was going on? Yeah, man. That was a great unboxing commentary, though. Love it, man. Let's move on.

Okay, so what's the grade for the Knicks before we move on? Oh, man. This is an A. You couldn't do any better, in my opinion. An A, okay. Donovan. Yeah. I'll go.

minus cool shout out the New York Knicks I'm gonna keep this on okay we're so bad we're so bad what a great moment I were gonna move on to do something next as we move on to the rest of the stories I have this doc pulled up and I got these links we're gonna talk about all the big stories you need to talk about this week and we're gonna go through all these watch some highlights together and at the end we're gonna react to some of y'all's hot takes again so I know how much you love that so the first thing we're gonna talk about John Morant has got himself in a lot of trouble lately As we all know, it got worse than the past week

because after he did this dunk, finished it, he did a dance. He's, yeah, toting these guns doing a dance. And this got people really mad, as you guys know, because as you know, John Morant has some history of gun involvement. So people saw this and were like, oh my God, he's doing it again. People were pissed off, including Chandler Parsons, who went on to his show on Fandul TV and said, What else has to happen for you and your family and your friends to learn?

Make this about basketball. Make this about your life. Make this about your livelihood. Stop doing things like that. It's a lot of pearl clutching. Just mad. How did y'all feel about this? How do you feel, love?

He is telling on himself when he's just saying stuff like that. And that makes he raised my eyebrow to just be like, what type of person are you, man? You know? Like, when I saw that, that dance looked familiar to me. I'm not 100% sure where it came from, but it must be a Memphis thing or a down-south thing. And I'm from the south, so I know it's familiar and it's tied into some culture. Just I'm not from there, so I'm not 100% sure. But I've seen people do this before.

Yeah, I've been pulled up right now. It's a dance from New Orleans that is, again, Chandler Parsons will know this because she's Chandler Parsons. But this is not any type of aggressive thing. It's a very common dance that people do. It's just like you said, a part of culture, it's whatever. And people, including China Parsons, including other writers. a lot of media members took it upon themselves to like just continue the jammer rant as a thug shit and just like really paint the most extreme version of this

and i get what he means like your trouble for guns avoid gun stuff i don't think i'd call this gun stuff i think this is just a dance and the microscope that he's under is deserved for what he did it's understandable why he's there but people are really taking to the extreme and really just like not letting him get away with anything i feel like we're going to pay attention everything he does for so long it's a bit extreme I mean, he just came back. Like, if this was like, if this was like three months from now,

that I understand. I do think, I think Parsons definitely went too far, relax. It's not that deep. Yeah. But for a job, like,

come on, man. Like, you know, you know what the, you know what the dances. You know why you were out, right? There's a reason,

there's a reason why you didn't play for, for two months. Like, you don't, you don't have to do that. Like, you would be just a little smarter. And not do that for,

what another two weeks again but it's just a dance and I just feel like if you notice it falls up like this it's just this the tone like you said channel parsing going a little crazy not just the fact that people were like don't do that I can understand but the tone is crazy like Chan the Parsons also tweeted this the same day it's a video of Tim Morant on the on the sideline dancing during a timeout break there's music playing that's even worse just dancing he's simply dancing unbelievable like you do a cry that's like you slap someone mother bro what the fuck

Like, what are we talking about? Like, this is just such like a clear, the way they're talking about John Moran is very reminiscent of way Alan Iverson was talked about after all his controversies where it's just you can't get away with anything. Everything he does is just like a

part of a bigger issue now. It's a bit extreme. Again, I understand, right? I get it. John Morant has played a very limited amount of basketball games. He's played six games this year. Bro, I need you to smart.

up for like two weeks please just like relax for two weeks and then in in February do it but you just got back and you it's like it's a little bit on both sides I completely agree though like first off going after his father that was that was two years ago we've been off of team morat dancing everybody's cool with that now you're hung up on all stuff like come on he's just dancing like what is he doing wrong in this clip that upset him Listen, if you don't like it, challenge him to a dance battle right now. That's why he did. He knows that he's ever, the finger.

You have Tim Morant in a dance battle if you want him to stop. He's like shit. With autumn surgeries, do you know how many surgeries Chandler Portsons has had during his playing career? Yeah. The other funny part of this whole John Morant saga is it continued. It wasn't just this. There was a story that was written by Tom Haberstro where, oh, we got a donation from T. Morant. we can't really see the video

jaw dancing can we get an ISO cam oh my god that's camera poop um what was I'm gonna say oh so this story was written by Tom Haberstrow

where he says last year John Morant called an NBA referee a ho on the record in an interview I've heard okay CD game and never got out I obtained the audio and reflected on the important role

of in person media as a guide rail for the NBA superstar a whole story about John Moran being upset about a call and saying that ref was being a ho. Mind you, two weeks ago, Nicole Yokic,

we've seen a press conference calling that ref a motherfucker. This is hilarious. That's just, you're reaching for something that's not there to try and attack. Like at that point, that story is an attack. It is an attack on Moran.

And you just have to relax. because everybody says everything to referees like if he got full audio of everything that a player says to referees LeBron would be under massive scrutiny for something he says like nobody is innocent when it comes to that and the way that the referees are calling games this year maybe he was right maybe to have that screamed at him people are saying how do I donate it's in the it's in the description on the first line to support the stream We got a donation from Jesse. He says, People are demanding that Mo does a 2024 calendar shoot

in only the SGA undies. Mo, do you have any answers to those requests? A 2024 calendar shoot in the SGA undies. You got to compute it? My brother seek help. Help. I don't do none but pray for you, folks, man. It was a bitch.

It was a joke, okay? I think you got to put them on at least once. Do what you want with it once you put them on, but they have to be on your body. Under your pants, over the pants, whatever. Not putting another man's face. Okay. You put it on your face?

Listen. I'm not putting, I'm not doing that, okay? I'm not doing that. Again. All right, but next door we got to talk about. Where were you when the Los Angeles Lakers were robbed of a win by LeBron's big toe? How did y'all feel about this? What do you mean robbed of a win?

I'm kidding. But this is a huge controversy where LeBron hit, what would have been a go-ahead three to force overtime. And it got called it too with his foot very close on the line. It's apparently controversial of whether or not it was on the line. LeBron doesn't seem to think so. Everybody in the Lakers' fandom doesn't seem to think so. How did y'all feel about this? I mean, the toe was on the line.

It was on the line. And it's like, and even if, even if you can find the 0.01 second screenshot where his toe is not on the line, in order to reverse a call on the floor, it has to be clear and conclusive. And you can ask literally everybody on Twitter is his foot on the line and you would get massive, like, differences in answer. The video was not clear and conclusive. So you have to go with what was called on the floor.

It is what it is. This is pretty fucking clear, I think. This was not on the line. It was. It just wasn't. And also, he also, like, as the ref, you see LeBron get the board. He's going back. You know he's going for the three.

And, like, to call it a two when he's clearly, like, you know he's hunting the three. And if it's close, like you're saying, it's maybe in a line, you call it a two. You need irrefutable evidence to overturn it. I don't know why you wouldn't call as a three and then review it just you can go the other way. Because it's, he's supposed not even on the line. So I don't know why you're acting like it's conclusive. What does intent have anything to do with what actually is before? For what, for what?

I don't even agree with the initial thesis. His foot is not in the line. Like his toe is like hanging over it, but the bottom of the foot isn't on the line, but the toe hangs over, but it's not touching. Not that. It's just not. It's a horrible call. Chat, what do you think?

Did he get the call right? Horibor is ridiculous. This is, guys, you're about to make me upset. This right, it's a terrible call. This right, this right here is. The Laker fandom and the Laker delusion coming out. And everybody's upset because it was LeBron's birthday. And people who have never met LeBron were going out and throwing birthday parties for themselves, right?

Getting birthday cakes for themselves to eat at the crib for LeBron's birthday, right? Acting like Isaac right there with a month's jersey. All of them. And just because it didn't go LeBron's way on his birthday, everyone was like, oh, my gosh, he was wrong. His foot was on the line. Also, it's like, again, you have to have clear and conclusive evidence. and that wasn't the case so why are we arguing

like well okay I understand why we're arguing but you guys are just wrong it's not a problem it's not a problem that one boy 687 for the five dollars appreciate you

yeah the funny part was afterwards um LeBron's reaction to it it was like another version of the camera spiasco where we got great memes out of it

I'll plug up the clip right now I got a fucking 15 second ad to watch first but yeah it was overall just a hilarious night of NBA basketball like you said it was his name his birthday made it all the more funny look at this honestly yeah please please pull it up okay so we had to play here lebron catch the ball that's just such a three-pointer like i don't know why you'd call that at two in the moment so that's such a three point it just look like it's unbelievably what do you mean

why do you call it a two point because it looks like his foot's on the line it doesn't it doesn't it just doesn't a millimeter what are you talking it just doesn't it just doesn't He's not clearly a three-pointer We have the Fifty-nine percent of people were saying it was a bad call Fifty-nine percent of you, no ball But yeah, the reaction is great in this club Like it's just such a

Fiasco, look, his foot's just so behind the line It's so behind the line Are you fucking blind? Are you fucking blind, you old man? This is so behind the line. First of all, his foot is like twisted It is right there on the line. If you look at this

and you say that this is clearly a three-pointer, you, sir, are a munch. These are munichers here looking at it because that is not clearly a three-day. That's not clearly a three-old. That is as close as it possibly can be. I know, it's controversial. Oh, it's just funny. That's funny as hell of you.

Someone said Donkman was the ref. Yeah, to be honest with you, this call could go either fucking way, like, so 50-50. Yeah, I know. That's not really clear. up in the morning it just depends on you wake up and then it'd be like I guess I'll let this be a three I want to ruin LeBron's birthday someone said he should have been of the doubt because his birthday imagine that what you want to give it to

no I just give it to it that's I think there's a reason it's called a bad call but they went they did the two minute report the next morning and the reps confirmed it they stood on business so I guess that's all you can ask for you they reviewed it and they said nope we got right lame so every next thing we got to talk about not lame correct yeah whatever uh said don are you blind isa stop being a munch we're gonna get it all in the chat next we got to talk about y'all the detroit pistons they won a game where were you when the detraubistons broke the worst losing streak of all time

It was fantastic. They beat the Toronto Raptors. The day after the Toronto Raptors traded OG and Nobie, so they were undermanned a little bit. Everyone kind of saw this at the game. They could finally do it. And they did? They won by two points.

And did you see this clip right now? Kate Gunningham looks like he just went through a fucking war. This is great. Man. Yeah, this was a fantastic one for him. I'm so happy for them, boys. They're currently, I think they're on another losing street. Two game.

it is what it is um they beat an actual respectable team in the NBA team that's not walk in the park in my opinion in the Toronto Raptors and this is great this is their NBA championship pretty much yeah highlighted their year is a two-point win over the Toronto Raptors at home shout out that man and like obviously so everyone knows about like the windstop stuff there's the deal where if the pissons win then people get five free uh wind stuff and And so after the gamer, everybody's going to get wings from Wingstop. And I saw a tweet, and I have no idea if this is real or not, but I'm going to believe it is because it's funny.

Somebody said there's only two Wingstop locations in all of Detroit. They're in hell. You have like 10 workers in the entire city just filling all of these wingsop warden. I love that. Yeah, man. Good for the pissings, man. They finally got out of the biggest. distraction known demand for this season

they're not going to be a good team it's the only reason people were watching Pistons games for the last two weeks they're like listen are they going to win tonight are they going to keep the record going there's actual intrigue yeah I see we got 370 likes on the stream right now

there's over 800 of you in here right now y'all need to run that up first you should be ashamed of yourself like the video like the video like the video get us to 500 likes please keep it going run it up please please please please please please please he's going to get a smidgen of like I mean it was funny we're talking about the Pistons and how they finally won a game

the funniest part was leading up to that win Cade Cunningham was in his fucking bag he was going crazy he had two 40 point games in which they lost so we're going to watch the highlights to one of him real quick this was hilarious if I can show you guys there we go Kate has been great Kate has been I know we talked about early in the year

when the losing streak started that he wasn't bad or necessarily disappointing, but he wasn't making the strides we hope to see out of somebody who we thought could be one of the best guards in the league. We had to talk about maybe he's just going to be really, really good, but not like top tier player. He's looking like every bit of the top of the top tier player

we could have hoped he could be right now. Yeah, exactly. And maybe everyone around him was kind of too harsh or too early to jump the gun because he did only play like 12 games last season. But with that being said, now he's fully kicked into gear his team still sucks doesn't have great spacing around him and all that but he's

slowly starting to figure it out it's been way more efficient obviously over these last x amount of games and he's hit that gear he's hit that gear and he's looking like he could be that guy for that team whether it be first best player in championship or second best player in championship just know that he will be one of those dudes yeah some of the chat y p c vicky said let's talk about jalen green my guy that is not a fan not a fun conversation that anyone wants to have right now that man is in hell. I want to do that. I don't know. What the hell when I talk about

Dylan Green. Don, what you said? Where's your temperature on Kekhunting him right now? I think if 10 would be like peak confidence and then one is like he's going to be trashed. I think I'm somewhere around the 7.

Seven, okay. Yeah. I think that there are still some things that we've seen from Kate. And maybe it is just because of the situation and the spacing and all that. that we've seen from Cade that hasn't necessarily been like a hundred percent like all NBA type player. But the fact that he was finally able to just be like, hey, man, I'm, I'm just going to go

and get buckets. I'm sick of everybody out here. Nobody is helping. I'm just going to try and do it myself. That was very encouraging to see Foucaid. Yeah. And every time we've heard him talk during this whole win streak, it's been encouraging. Like he very easily could have just been defeated by this whole process and just like falling

apart in ways like think about the rockets last year. when their team culture just like got decimated by the shit show that was a stephen silas led team they were just nobody had anything good to say there's no just like positive qualities as i to sing gooden last year kate went the other way every time he talked he showed leadership showed drive to get them out of this and like was not defeated by it including like after they won there was like some like hilarious philosophical shit he was saying in the in the post game interview i'll find it but yeah it's been encouraging all around it's been amazing to see man it's been amazing to see and this is all what detroit fans needed their team is still trash but they're

not can't get a win trash and that's just all that matters right now good for them they're a competent NBA team that could win at least the game exactly competent competence still a stretch because again they're they're back to losing what i think let's see what is what is their schedule look like because they have lost they lost yesterday to rocket rocket on the road. They played the jazz tonight on the road. The next five games go as followed. Utah Golden State, Denver,

Sacramento, San Antonio. Listen, they might get a double-digit wind street going very quickly. Relax. They might not forget who they are. I found the quote. I found the quote. I've come to embrace a Zen-like detachment. Victory and defeat. Success and failure. These are transient states

What remains is the profound understanding of struggle The beauty and persistence And the subtle art of finding meaning And the seem subtle art of finding meaning And it's seemingly meaningless I think this might be fake But I'm hoping it's real This is hilarious

No I'm sure this is fake But it would be hilarious Yeah I saw this And I saw people running with it And I was like There's just absolutely no way It's not real

He's been hanging out with some monks After each and every single loss just m after every single lost no it's fake it's hilarious though we got a donation from proxy he says opinion opinions on the Thomas twins

and can they be MVP contenders in the future I wouldn't go that far but I think it'll be really good yeah I think it'll be really good though MVP is kind of crazy but I mean we love us are a man he's going to be fine he's going to come along so

all starts yeah yeah that's very fair it's all stars that's a reasonable expectation to settle on them but MVP means you got to be one of the five best players in the entire world and someone said so are you three going to talk about clank clay thompson one and eleven in that warriors versus math i actually i saw y'all talk about it for a second i started to tell you what did you track down i i i because i think we talked about the warriors a little bit on um on a pod recently and he had a very like encouraging stretch of game

I was like, just wait, just wait, because the same thing happened last year where Clay started slow, that he had his stretch where it's like, oh, wow, Clay Thompson might be back. And then we get to the playoffs and he completely falls apart. And it's been like this for really the last two years. So Clay Thompson is an NBA player and he's one of the five best shooters we've ever seen in the NBA. He's going to have stretches where he looks like he can shoot the basketball because that's just never going to leave him. But to ask Clay Thompson to be a consistent knockdown three-point shooter the way that he was pre-injury before an ACL and an Achilles injury, that's just not going to happen anymore. That's not who he is.

So you're going to see a lot of variants in Clay's game. Look at his YouTube video. I saw earlier I was looking for highlights. This guy posted Clay Thompson, one of 11 field goals versus the Mavericks. That is insane. It's a compilation of his misses. Let's watch this shit. That is crazy Haiti right there.

While we watch this real quick, over the last three games, he's averaging an astounding. Eight points on 23% shooting from the field and 27% from three. Ouch! Yeah, there was those four games where he was averaging 25 again. It was like, oh, God, is he turning it around? Sorry, they're going to get more. Yeah, that was crazy.

You're going to get more good stretches of him over the course of the year. He's not going to be this back consistently. this is obviously like the worst game of the season but you know he's going to be up and down like donovan said consistency is always the first thing to go when a star gets washed it's you'll see the flashes in 2019 we saw john wall when he came back or 2021 my bad he had some good games for the rockets people were like oh shit john wall's still here he was out of the league by the end of that season this is how it goes there's always going to be flashes dang he made his one shot in the second quarter in just brick for for 25 minutes straight no for 36

he made him the first quarter that's sick man what do you say to yourself to the teammates like once the game is over damn not shit he's Clay Thompson he's like I'm gonna do it again I can do it again Greg Thompson's never believe he's had a bad game

it's hilarious it's so funny because Clay Thompson shoots with such like upmost belief every single play which he should that's how you be a great NBA player that hasn't wavered at all so he misses he fucking misses because he goes for it

yeah And it feels, it's like that instinct of, like, just having a smidget of space that he used to have in the, or that he's always had throughout his entire NBA playing career. Give him any space, he will pull that motherfucker in a heartbeat. And that's something that he shouldn't do probably these days. But it is what it is. It's in his blood. And, I mean, he's going through his, I don't want to say, mellow stage or whatever, because he's not that bad at all. He's still a player that any NBA team would love to have.

But you get what? You want to you wouldn't you wouldn't first he wouldn't make your next better straight let's get this straight you gonna stop disrespect to Carmelo anthony I've had about enough both of y'all taking strays at Carmelo and secondly I think I would rather have Portland version of Carmelo anthony than what we are seeing from Clay Thompson right now there's nothing worse there's nothing at least in Portland and Melo knew, listen, I'm going to just get to my spots. I'm going to do what I need to do. I'm not amazing, but I'll be fine. There's nothing worse than a bad player who Clay Thompson is right now

thinking that he's still the second best player on that team and taking shots like that. Yeah, the problem is it took a little while to get there. And there's some really ugly years in between that you're ignoring that we're talking about. We're not talking about Portland Mello. He was solid in. We're talking about OKC Mello where, or Rockets Mello, where it wasn't so great. no yeah which which version of mellow because you didn't clarify okay see mellow let's

okay see mellow because that's what he was like dude dude had a meeting or dude had a press conference during the off season and we all remember the hoodie mellow thing too he had he was in his little hoodie he was like me come off of the bench and he just laughed chuckled and he was like api are you serious who would you rather have chat would rather have 2020 or 2019 Carmelo Anthony or 2024 Clay Thompson let me see it in the chat hilarious debate

turned down Clay Thompson on right now on your team Donovan that is crazy mid on mid yeah that year in O KC Carmelo Anthony shot 36% from three what is Clint Thompson

should be on probably a little better than that probably 38 or 41 something like that 37% from three solid sorry back fire I'll see you a pretty 50-50 split honestly

what between the Carmelo and Clay chat right now there's a lot of both there's a lot of mellow love here so you're maybe you're not entirely crazy I was never crazy and I need a vote to validate that

all right whatever next thing we got to talk about another next story in the news ish I guess we can call it that reportedly from Brett Siegel, Kyle Kuzma is expected to be made available by the Wizards for multiple first-round picks. Are you intrigued by a Kyle Kuzma trade deadline move

to a team that could try to win games? I'm moved, for sure. He's a good enough player now these days to go ahead and be moved. He's a great stretch for. He can give you 20 a night, a little bit of ball handling, your rebound. He understands the game on a simple level and all his other shit, so.

Yeah, like, I think he'll, moose he can either complete a contender or help get a team get on the right direction that's the type of player that he is yeah he's a good year yeah yeah a donation from envy shout out envy appreciate you where are you seen don't know wait what what have you say was let you talk first no I'm curious what the no say he said yo Isaac what's up unk seriously though love the pod question for Moe did you ever believe in the 61 Hawks team in 2015 was wondering what a Hawks fan thought of that. P.S. Shout out Paul Millsap, top five Hawk of all time. PPS. Hawks franchises in hell.

Shout out to, yeah, shout out to you. Shout out to P. Millie, Paul Millsap. He was the goddamn dope, man. But anyways, I was like 15, 16 years old when I, when the Hawks went on their initial run, and I was still learning the game of basketball. I was tuned into NBA TV every single day watching all the YouTube videos that I could, funky diabetics do called slam dunk basketball or whatever. And I thought that this team had a chance to take it all the way, but I never really knew and, like, thoroughly understood how dominant and, like, how much of a top five players that you needed in order to succeed.

And once I learned that, the hard way, after a playoff series, after a playoff series, after playoff series, going through LeBron, I'm like, no, we just will never have that. until we have that guy you were disillusioned by lebron beating you down every year yeah exactly it was it was just it was just over from that point but we are in hell and i am extremely depressed bro like my week could have gone so much worse the nicks got better r j bears none of the nicks no more and we fell to 13 and nine i could cry at this bitch right now right anyways fuck the hawks back to kyle kuzma damn he currently urging

Currently, I average 23.1 points, 6.2 rebounds and 4.3.3% of 4.3% in the field. A solid season. He's plus minuses and minus 271. Thursday sucks so much. A lot of teams need a big wing. We've talked a lot about Larry Mark and OG and an OB. Not every team get those guys. Obviously, OG's off the market now. Kyle Kuzman can fit into one of those teams that doesn't get those two guys. Where do you want to see him go? Is it OKC? okay okay see would be good you got a couple first and i don't i don't know okay so you would move me necessarily to be honest why not replace josh getting those lineups with cala kuzma get another big wing i love it but if you couldn't get larry marketing and if kow kuzman was that much cheaper then sure why not i'd be scheduled because of how long kyle kuzma's contract is he just re-signed a huge bag i'll leave this off this past off season so that's why i'm not

so gitty about bringing him to okay c at all because i think it's kind of yeah so it wouldn't be me honestly a team like detroit should do this shit a team like in his hometown yeah exactly bro help what do you want to see cal kuzma let us know chat where you want to see him what about you don't know let's get him in indiana i think indiana just has indiana just has a lot of they i i can see them Like outside of Tyrese, their roster is very malleable, right? It can go, it can go any, any way. And you can put in a lot of, a lot of players into that situation

and start to mold kind of what the future of this team looks like. And I think that if you got another big wing to play alongside Tyrese, I think that would be very intriguing. So, yeah, I want to see Indiana. Where do you want to see them, Isaac? My bad, I was taking a picture of the Munster jersey to post on Twitter. I think both teams you guys said make sense. I had Trant thought, oh, somebody in the comments at Dallas in the chat.

That's great. I like that. Yeah, I don't hate that fit. I was thinking maybe the 76ers. Do they want to add another wing in that roster? They are obviously a big, they're a popular OG An Anobie destination this summer as they're trying to get in a free agency. I think it might be a safe assumption. The Knicks are going to lock them up.

So maybe that's not going to be a thing anymore. Would you guys like them there? Yeah. would make sense as well because you have like their big offseason acquisition was grant williams and for a second it looked like it was a massive thing and now he's just back to being grant williams which is a fine you know NBA player but to have some to have some depth some depth and a little bit more of a scoring at the at that you know big wing type of position that would that would be very helpful for look yeah i like that i'm saying who else i see people saying hawks in the chat

uh that's it's not a bad fit necessarily but we already have our four for the future and right now like kalko wasn't do anything necessarily to help our team progress we're already a top five offense he would help of course better than dionj hunter who's inconsistent wildly but at the same time like we need real defenders on this team to help us take the next step and that's that's be the main focus for the hawks someone said grislies they can use a wing i don't i don't think that's something of the grisies want to make because they already kind of made a big big shake up with marcus smart i think they're going to hold hold their ammo for a little bit longer for somebody a little more high profile but i wouldn't hate that you know who coos needs to who needs to

who needs who's badly right now the los angeles lakers i would love that i would love that kuzma back man no you know you know who needs a real the golden state warriors the golden state warriors need Kyle Kuzma. They need anything. They need a savior. Yeah. Save them from Clay Thompson. It's always going to be Clay regardless. Okay, next thing we got to talk about, another funny quote we saw earlier. Back to Fandle TV, but they're getting all the quotes.

Meta World Peace said, victim woman Yama is the closest to Walt Chamberlain that we'll ever see. This kid is going to beef up. He's going to get better. He's going to get 101 points at some point in the next seven years. Ignored the 101 point shit. That's whatever. Is victim women yama the closest thing we've ever going to see to wilt? Yes. That's an interesting statement.

I think he's probably correct in terms of just like straight up, this dude is built different. He's a freak on any NBA court that you set him on to. He just looks the par, runs the part, and all that. Like, I agree with that. Yeah, I agree. There's still this like feeling whenever you watch Vic, and it's like, what am I watch it like when the spurs actually are smart and you they like you see them start to give him real quick donovan i'm gonna cut you off we just got a massive donation from depressed t wools fan

his dip tip tip 50 dollars appreciate you there's no message involved you didn't say anything you wanted to say but appreciate you wools fan sorry you're depressed by your team i don't know why you're depressed you're the one seed but i guess it's lingering from the over the years appreciate you for the 50 dollars thank you man appreciate that back to what you're saying done that's that's message i know i forgot what i was saying i don't know you're talking about victim from a yama being built like a freakazoid oh yeah there's just stuff that he does every game we're like you know how are you able to do that right how are you able to be here like in on one part of the court but affect something seven feet away from you

yeah because of your wingspan like the other day he had like we were all so enamored by yannis when he was you know having pass break dunks he's not dribbling from half port when vick does it it looks like something out of space you jam it's just it doesn't look real so yeah I would agree with someone in the chat said yannis is it closest thing to will I can see that I think before this I can see yonis mean the pick yeah absolutely yonis had a similar not as similar of a shock effect because he had to take some time to grow into his body a long time to go into his body and all that and he wasn't that level of prospect whatsoever but I would agree yonis did have that

similar type of shock when he started to get his recognition was played at point guard by Jason Kidd one most improved player of the year went to his first all-star game like he definitely got that same type of energy and vibe too but I think victors is just a little bit different because he's what 18 19 years old still and he's already one of the better players in the NBA yeah the point in time when yannis I think like 2017 he had that first playoff run where he started just like don't know everybody with his feet on the ground it was like oh my god this guy like nothing we've ever seen like i distinctly remember that moment where he kind of just like took the league by storm and i i can see his having the same realization with vick in year two or three

once he really makes that like superstar jump yeah this this this topic though for me was already solidified before he got into the NBA when he took a step back three and got a put back dunk off of his own miss that's all like okay he's an alien like this is not this is not real this is a simulation basketball yeah he's crazy man uh next next door we have here here. People were talking a lot about the game yesterday whenever the Mavericks lost to the jazz in embarrassing fashion. Kyrie came back and they just crumbled. They lost to a horrible team. It was embarrassing. There's this clip that went viral of Luca getting the last shot of the half. He gets the ball from Kyrie Irving and decides I'm getting the last shot, as a lot of star

players tend to do, and didn't pass it up even though Kyrie was wide open on the wing, took a step back three, clank. A lot of discourse about Luca Dunches' style of play. play and is he selfish or is just this style of play from superstars saying they have to get the last shot? Is that inherently selfish? How does y'all feel about this? It's funny. It's funny. First of all, if this was the fourth quarter, I think it would have some more validity, some like, you know, validity. We're going into halftime. Who cares? What are we talking about? Like, it's not even that deep, right? And it really, like, I understand, right, you have a guy shaded over.

It's Luca Donchards one-on-one. Like, he's fine. Trust him to make the move, you know? Like, we're just talking about nothing. Yeah. Chad, what do you think, Chad? Should Luca pass this shot up? Is this a concerning sign?

What do you guys think? It's also funny that the game Kyrie came back. They fell apart, which, you know, it was just one of those nice that lost a bad team. I saw people on Twitter, been like, Kyrie's the least impactful second star ever like so much was made at this game it was hilarious yeah yeah one thing that i did enjoy seeing is through this conversation of Luca just like ignoring Kyrie and taking that tough shot this opened like the floodgates of the lebron fans

being like oh yeah and a bet he misses being with lebron lebron would probably had ten assists to him alone all night and all those other stuff and they were just talking about how ungrateful Kyrie was through his attention with the Cleveland Cavaliers on how he wishes he had that type of player back yeah you should have could have a lot a lot of things that happened since then but yeah I imagine he realizes now that he should have handled that a little differently yeah pain then you know that this this is clear just NBA yapping right in the middle of the season is January you got to 500% yep 100% yep speaking of yap Paul George's podcast dropped this week. Gordon Hayward was a special guest. And

he was at their yapping. In an interesting way. He was talking about the 2018-2019 Celtics that fell apart when they had Kyrie, Jason Tatum, Jalen Brown, Gordon Hayward, and Al Horford. seemingly one of the more stacked teams we've seen in recent years. And they fucking flamed out horribly. None of it worked from the start, terrible locker room issues. One of the biggest failures in the last NBA decade. He said, we all had too many agendas and the agenda to win the whole thing wasn't the main one. He said he was trying to prove he still an all-star. Karee was trying to prove he could still be part of this team after they made a run without him.

Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown were trying to prove that they could be the next guys. Rajir was trying to get a bucket. There's too many cooks in the kitchen. How did y'all feel about what he had to say in the way he framed it? I think he told the un... Yeah, he told unfiltered truth. He told the real, and he said everything that everyone around that time believed in about this team. There was no reason why they shouldn't have worked.

I think around this time in 2018, this... Katie was still on the Warriors, and he was, of course, course, peak of powers and all that other stuff, and everyone believed that if any team had a chance to crack the Golden State Warriors, it would have to be this team or, of course, LeBron. And there was no other reason why, because you watch the team make a run towards the Eastern Carnival's finals against LeBron, a rookie Tatum, look, LeBron in the eyes, dunk on his ass, then Jaylon Brown was there, Harry was heard, of course, Terry was here with Rose to the

occasion, scary cherry off of the bench. and now you have someone like Gordon Herod who of course snapped his ankle or whatever but him coming back as well this was supposed to be the team yeah this is supposed to be the team and so everyone knew it and saw this coming but it's just sad it's just sad and like it just goes to show like it doesn't matter how much talent you have on an NBA court it's all about how much these players are willing to commit to a system yeah didn't go well I saw a somebody was saying it's kind of ironic that he was like we all had too many agendas meanwhile he's the one that had the agenda that really tipped over the top made it not work

that was a funny way to say because he I remember I just simply remember he was one of the main pieces that didn't fit with that team a lot of the issues kind of did come back to him did you guys feel like he was kind of projecting a little bit by it for everybody else or I'd feel about that part um I think for the agenda part yes but I do think that there is I think like the other guys had gotten comfortable playing without him. They were able to make this run and he was gone in the first game of the year. So they had played 82 games. So he was the one who had to fit back in and integrate himself into that lineup.

And his agenda didn't really work. It does make sense though that for Tatum and Terry and Kyrie and all these other guys like, oh, like I still need to get mine and all that. But I think something that everybody kind of understands after the fact is if you win, nobody cares and you will get whatever your agenda is, it will be proven right if you win a championship. You just have to put that aside. Someone say can we call the streams Mo Cheeks Mondays? Hey. No.

It's not even Monday, but it's Tuesday. Now we do stream on Monday. We're not doing that. Mocheeks Monday. We have a meeting all flying guys. We have a meeting all flying guys. Let me see the chat right now. Mo Cheeks Monday.

I don't care of this Tuesday. I want to see Mo Cheeks Monday in the chat right now. That is disgusting. Also, I look like semi-ojele. And Jalen Brown combined. Speaking of the 2018-19 files. Racism. I don't even know what that looked like.

Hey, yo. Semi-Ojolet, low-key. Grant, keep in mind, this is racist. They did say that purely because of what's African. So if you subscribe to this, just know you're on. to watch bud yeah keep in mind they did say this for racist motivations but I won't say there's no merit behind it this semi semi is hey look at this one

look at this one with the beard look at this one ah okay okay to them sometimes you gotta give it to it they may have got you uh man listen yeah the only thing you're missing is the mohawk Semi is a great, he was a great plan. Beer type is the same too. Like this. That's what I'm saying. Okay.

Listen. My bad. I take that back. I think back to race his claims. Where my people come from and where semi's from, we're not that far apart. So it's not surprising. I can't say this is awfully wrong, but still. Adrian tip $1.

He said, I've been missing the stream. Love to see you guys back on live. Am I crazy or did you guys tease a live action basketball video a few months ago that never came out? I don't think we teased a video, but we mentioned that they played one-on-on-one Whenever they were out here last in LA, Moe and Donovan played you guys want to give people a breakdown of what happened? Yeah, Donovan, you want to talk about what happened? Go ahead tell them.

What would I tell them? You tell them. I beat Moe in the series, 2-1, we were playing 21, and I won. Yes, Donovan won. You want to not talk about what happened in the game versus this decision? I mean, what? I mean, listen, what do you want me to say? I was hustling to details.

I was listening. Mo's motor at the time was not great. And after about the first, after about the first three points, Mo wasn't moving around. And my game has always been predicated on just outworking. I subscribed to heat culture and pick up basketball. And that is the only way that I get burned. So that's what I was doing. I was running around, diving on the floor, right? hustling you fell a couple times oh no I was falling I really did look like Joel and Bid

like you probably would be upset with how much I was touching the floor but I had to do what I had to do Mo won the first game and then I won the next two after that and the third game we played just because it was a tiebreaker but Mo was tired at that point and I don't think that he actually wanted to play the third game but we need to we need to run it back because most been working right he's been putting in that work i know his stamina's better now so we got to run that back yeah no the game was hilarious i would say i'm i'm not a bad basketball player but i'm not like fun not i'm but i'm not like phenomenal either but with that being said throughout the game i first came out i scored like i don't know eight seven straight points

and i like to let that i like to let that bitch fly that's my go-to thing and um sometimes i get little i i sometimes i'm in like jordan pool time and just like he and i just let that be fine like i took so many half-court shots someone will win so didn't but i won't give a fuck and um the first game i was up like eight oh or six o or some like that one and the second game same shit i lost and then third game we played i think i didn't i didn't get off too a hot sorry because i was i was like insane you were gas you were gas but the game was close And then eventually I started taking dumb ass shots and you just started, you're playing prime Tom, timiddle basketball.

That's what it was. That's what it was. That's what I was grazed on. Some of the chat said, one of y'all coming out with new merch. Very soon. I've been trying to work on getting the new merch right with the new logo. Let me show you all preview, actually. I'm going to find that way y'all talk for a second.

Only y'all in the stream gets to see this. Y'all saw the Shea undies. Y'all witnessed the Munch Jersey. and we're telling you about the backgrounds and specifics of this game that we did have. And you know what? Maybe Donovan and I will go ahead and play again whenever we link up.

So you are a loser. I'm going to let you know that right now. You are losing. If we do a series, you are losing. No, I promise you I'm literally not losing. You want to make another bet? What do you want to do if you lose and if I win? What's going to be online? No money. Let's do something for the stream or something. Here's what

we do. Here's what we'll do, right? We've been to we've been to LA before Y'all got to come down to Houston We will play we will play down here The loser will buy rocket tickets We'll go to a Rockets game the loser will buy the tickets for the other for the other two I got a corduroy hat cooking for y'all A little dad hat like I like to wear got this green one got in green navy blue black and tan

We got the deep three embroidered on here I'm trying to find I saw that that's hard yeah I'm trying to find a supplier that doesn't embroidery well because I just need it And yeah, quarter a hat, that's my shit. I got a black one, too, with embroidery trash. So I've got to get a new version. And then we have a screen printed t-shirt you all saw before. Got the hoodie.

Screen printed. I mean, embroidered took me while to get this sample in. Yeah, man, listen, we're trying. We're trying. Listen, this new season of merch is going to be fantastic. Yeah. Give me some time. I'm trying to find the right pieces for everything, so it's taking longer.

I wanted to be out by the time the reveal happened. I didn't make the deadline, but it's coming soon. yeah exactly all work will be done work will be done focus on quality over quantity over here we're gonna react to some hot takes like we always do pretty soon

but before we get to that I have one thing I want to show you guys before we react to hot takes I think we want to watch along with and that's some highlights Big thing when Yama had a game we had 30 points in seven blocks against the Blazers

and no we were talking about waiting for to make this leap in like year two or three to become a true like superstar super star man games like this where we see the sign We see the fucking signs, bro. This guy was going crazy

I agree with man Let's watch this I love I love watching big highlights bro. I know. It's always one It's just it's all it's an experience watching and play basketball. I cannot wait to see a spiritual experience That's that spiritual experience. This is what everybody wished they could do if they were seven foot tall seven foot four tall Pull that bitch handles from hell you can affect literally all sides of the basketball pro with that length there's not a shot that he can't make good god all that contact this is what i like you're 7-4 let's get towards the basket

it's affecting everything man yeah but the spurs have been doing a lot lately a lot of lineup changes thank god the jeremy sohan experience is over and he's been back to the power forward and he's actually been eating thankfully like they stopped massacring my boy i love jeremy sohan he's back to his natural position look what happens when you have a point girl who knows how to pass I know that lava was nasty Oh my god

It's these blocks Like look at that Sat his ass down Twice Yeah you're stupid Someone said Donovan Sound like my grandpa Get to the basket

At a certain point Like listen If you're 74 You're big for nothing If you're not in the paint A little bit If you're not in the paint A little bit

What's the point of being 74 Look at that bro He wasn't even facing the driver And blocked it with like his backhand He backhanded the block what the fuck who does that backhand block is disrespectful that's he can you look at me while you send my shit damn he just sent to be there's going to be a play where he's gonna block it and you know how like sometimes people cast the ball with two hands and like

that's bad disrespectful he's gonna just palm it with one hand oh at a certain point and just like at that point take your main card and be like here sir you can have that's crazy Oh, one-headed snatch block is nuts. Yeah. Yeah, Mo's been great. Pretty soon, chat. I want you all get ready, chat. As soon as this video's over, we're in hot take mode,

and I better see y'all spamming the hot takes. You got like two more minutes left. Prep your fingers, get ready to type, because we're listening. I got a question for y'all while we're watching these Wemby highlights. pertaining to WMB, who right now is the Rookie of the Year for you guys? I know we all said chat before. Wembe is coming close. The counting stats are adding up.

and Wemby's passed them up statistically. Yeah. Wembe's passing them up statistically. It'll be TBD how much people value team success and being a major part of a winning team. I think that matters, so I could still see myself deciding Chet by the end of the year. But it's close now.

It's real close. Yeah. I don't think it's, okay, I think I might be a little bit further away than what I think is at. And like, listen, I understand Wembe's playing fantastic. It's not like Chet has had this massive drop ball, you know, And Chet has been playing well for months now.

So I need, I need, and I 100% think that he's going to do it. I just need Wembe to do it for as long as Chet has, given the fact that he has basically this like two-month head start because he didn't have to play with Jeremy Sohan at Pungard. Yeah. So. Chat, video's over. Spam up the hot takes to me right now.

I want to see hot takes all the way through the chat. mods let them spam i want to see the most spam possible i better see 100 chats a second at this rate now we're gonna go let's go let's go while you also spamming the comment section you also got to spam the like button right now we're at six four six 34 you should be ashamed for yourself we should at least be at 750 minimum now get us to a thousand there's a lot of you in here right now you can get us to a thousand by the time the stream's over don't let him low ball at 750 all right first hot take is trying to life right now let's do it first hot take from eggs with hoss says hot take stop the clipper slander they've been cooking

this is all caps donovan do you have anything to say the clippers you're the clipper slanderer how do you feel about them right now i so first off first off it's not a hot take okay that's a that's a that's a command nobody's going to tell me what to do that's one that's one let's get out the way two no man listen they've they've been cooking i have to be real i hate every time that they win. I'm not having a good time watching them have this resurgence, but the clippers have been cooking. And it's about time we have that conversation of when we start getting to the Western Conference playoffs, how serious are we going to take them? Because if Kauai is playing like this and PG is there and Hardin is not the, I don't know, the distraction, for lack of a better

word that he was in Philly? Hey, man. They're good. They're legitimately good. They can make some noise and they might be able to get to the conference finals. Yes, man. They're four seed right now, 20 and 12, 8 and 2 over the last 10 games. The fact they're 20 and 12, despite losing six straight when they got James Hardin,

that means they went crazy right after that. And like, they're as good as any of the Clippers teams have been over the recent years. Every year they're in the mix. They're a team that you say will be in that either like, tier or second tier of contenders they're just as good now there's some parts that they're lacking compared to previous years the bench depth isn't quite as good i think as previous years even though they have rust there who you feel how you want about him but the addition to james hardin being like top tier playmaker james hardin not we're looking to score like he used to but still

being able to go to as a score when needed in certain lineups they're legit like they have a new wrinkle that they didn't have in previous years and still have the backbone of kawai and paul george they're what you hope to be that's true as very true. Oh man, I can agree with it. Clippers been cooking and I am first to go ahead and give them their props and their flowers. But another hot take. Tor C.H. says

Mbid is a clear-cut MVP this year. Anyone saying he isn't has a clear agenda? Donovan, do you have an agenda? Because I feel like at this point, he probably deserves the MVP. Oh, easily. He's a favor right now. No, he can have the MVP.

That's perfectly fine. I don't have any agenda. I don't have anything against joanna be i think he can win the MVP and i think he will i saw today he was he was the player of the month because he's averaging like 40 and 10 for the month of december and then on the season he's averaging 35 go ahead that's not what i'm talking about what yeah he's average 35 yes 35 points per game yes we did not fuck up at all my god that's crazy joella yeah he's so clear the MVP the only way someone yokic isn't going to catch him he doesn't give a shit like yoke just does not give a fuck with the very good season right now he doesn't even

want the MVP clearly like last night he took like one shot in the first half he's content perfectly content running the team getting them to the playoffs throwing his dimes and doing his thing he's not playing for the MVP dwell in beat is this is his style he loves to abuse teams i can't guard him it's what he wants to do and he's doing it excellently the only way i think anybody can catch up to him an MVP is if he misses games or if luca gets the map's like a top three seed which i don't think any of us he kept it's happening yeah I agree you don't so if the thunder somehow catch we're not okay they're only a game and a half if the thunder catch the Timberwolves and they get the number one seed in the west say how seriously

are we taking Shay for MVP very extremely seriously I think if yoke if joel and beat is still a top three seed and doesn't miss games he'd still get it and she would be second but listen well they can only miss 15 games to be an MVP still one bad one oh if you are I guess 17 games one injury to joel and beat he misses those games and he's out of it it only takes one luca and shay will be the top two in whichever order you want i think yeah yeah no i i agree yeah also i'm looking at in beat stats 35 points 12 rebounds six assists a career high 89 percent from the free throw line 35 percent from three on three attempts a game now which is yeah 54 percent from the field listen to his last

listen to his last few games that he's playing 31 51 40 42 35 41 41 34 38 50 when he plays a team that can't guard him he makes that known and makes his present felt unlike most stars do like i guess said yokish doesn't want the MVP he's not trying that hard he'll play a washington wizards play the same way he always does let the game come to him

not joel and beat he will go out there and just decimate Daniel Gafford, go at him every time, and just foul him out of the game. Like, he loves to attack a mismatch. And that's how you win an MVP's. You come out here every game and you beat the shit out of horrible teams. He knows how to do it. Exactly. He is, oh my God, bro.

At this point, it's undeniable. Where is, so assume he wins MVP again. Where does he stack up as, like, the greatest big man scores of all time? He's no less than top three in my opinion. Is he top three? Because. I think he's top. When it comes to, I put him top three in terms of,

scoring because it's the fashion of how he is scoring the ball and just how he's just an automatic bucket yeah he's just versatile and off i think yeah scoring i think he's just easily top three who are the top three big man scores for you guys obviously shack's up there jack will kareem is is dwelling beat a better score than korem which is that's a crazy sentence like that's okay he's entering those convos like it sounds nuts when you think about it you compare it might not be but it's also a hard comparison because of era so I don't know most droly you might be fourth you might be for you just saw me in the chest of that statement right there man that's man we got another

we got another donation from DQ sempie he says hot take we need to hold Tatea more accountable for not leading his team to the promised land with the perfectly built roster every season oh Taita first all I agree with that how we've all agreed that they don't have the perfect roster because of how Jaylon Brown is. But that's a part of him, though, too. He's not a perfect player. We sit here and talk about

nobody is. Nobody is a perfect player. Yeah, he's not a perfect player, but there's certain things that you can do with your game to help compliment your team and your teammates better, and we just haven't seen that kick or that next level gear that I personally have been waiting for over the last few years. I'm going to sit here

and say, if I saw Shea with that same team that he's had with the Boston, that Tatum had with the Boston Celtics, there's no way in hell he doesn't go to the NBA finals in my opinion. Tatum's been to the finals. Oh, win the finals. There we're going.

I think I don't want to do a fucking and he wouldn't. Okay, my bad. You've been fucking old man ranting all day. You're getting pissed. He didn't get his eight hours. Every streamed in two weeks. I've been dying to yell at y'all. Keep it going.

I think getting mad at Tatum for not winning a finals is dumb, I think. but he needs I pulled this up right now highest fickle percentage on half cord drives we see SGA here's at 22.8 per game Lucas at 18.2 high level scores getting to the rim Tatum has the best basing of anybody here

8.4 half court drive is a game he needs to stop thinking he's and stop shooting so many threes and get to the rim and be assertive I hold him accountable for shit like that where there's things he could be doing to take his game to the next level and like really be a top five player for real that I think are purely like habit-based, which is easy for me to say.

Maybe he's just better at certain things, and that's not what he wants to play. But I just think there's certain things that he could do with his game to really take command of certain styles of play. I agree. And that's the biggest thing, right thing. That's literally the only thing to me, in my opinion.

This is great. Look at these list, bro. Terry's Hallibirds that 15.5 drives for game. 59.8% shooting on them. That's ridiculous. That's like the same as Luca, who's one of the best drivers in the league. that is ridiculous

it's insane because he that's one of the most impactful leaps that he's made in my head that in the he's always been an elite shooter but the distance is really what separated himself but I think the driving has been the main

like layer that he's added to his game that helped separate him and put him on another level on the court offensively yeah someone said Tyrese literally has zero flaws offensively zero he might be cooking I don't know what his flaw

will be offensively I can't I don't know man I literally can't the top of my head yeah unless you're you defense I'm a different conversation yeah unless you would be bricks for a living you would say oh I can't get offensive rebounds better than that like he is solid as can be all around bro you have yeah yeah exactly I'm looking at this chat let's find another hot day you guys are going crazy spam them up valour king says sigh Trey young is better than Tirees burden and he spells his name like so embarrassing and he said i can't spell i'll take spam him up el take in the chat nope tyrese hallibers passed him up i understand

tray's been incredible lately if he keeps it up he can get himself back into the conversation but i think at this point tyrese has a similar game to him is more efficient of a score i think a better more impactful passer but that's debatable tray's a great passer defensively they both suck ass i have more faith that tyrese can become a good defender than I do, Trey, purely for size reasons. Maybe it's lazy. Maybe it's just simply the irrefutable factor with the way they're built.

I don't know why I would go with Trey right now. Do you have an argument, Mo? I would say that over the totality of the season, Tyrese Halliburton has been a better player. Now, Trey, I think, I believe that he will start to get back into those conversations once the entirety of the NBA starts to realize how much of a heater that he's been on.

But right now it's just so hard to put someone like Trey above, when A, his team is ass, and then B, he was on serious Julian Newman timing the first, or for half of the season. And that just can't go away from everybody's mind. I think he'll be in that range. There couldn't be a world where he's better than him. But right now, looking at us like, bro, you're just a taller, you're a shorter version of him. Why would I pick you over Tyree? It doesn't make sense.

Yeah, it really doesn't make sense at all. What do you think, Donovan? I saw you doing a lot of this? no i i'm i'm taking i'm taking tarris i i was thinking about whether or not i was going to take this shot at trey and i am because i think it's funny how moe since last year mo's like no like listen trey young is about to get back into those conversations brother it's been 18 months that we've been having plenty of conversations and i don't think that he has asserted himself in the in that same way um so i don't think that

I do I listen it's a hot take to think this it's a bad take because Tyrese is clearly better and I don't think that for Tray Young to be better he would actually have to drastically change his game and I don't think that's it man I'm gonna say is on 10 three point attempts per game over the last 20 games he's shooting like 42% he has been on a heater and if he's playing like this game doesn't need to be changed team needs to be changed because everyone else is just not thriving around it. F. That team is asked, we need to blow it up. Next hot take, John F. 4135 says, The Sons will miss the playoffs despite having three stars. Ooh. That is not a bad take at all.

It's not. And it's because Bradley Beale refuses to play two weeks of basketball continuously. And this was, I mean, but this was something that we kind of could have, we could have foreshadowed this prior to the season. Bradley Beale has been extremely injury prone over the last two, three years.

And for the Sons, if Kevin Durant, who has also gotten hurt plenty of times over the last two, three years, if he goes down for 17 games, it's over. They're not making the playoffs. At the very edge of the playing right now. It's let, let Golden State make a quick little run. It could be very, very scary.

18 and 15 right now, 5 and 5 in the last 10. They have looked good yesterday, or the day before, the last game they played with Bealback? Yeah, against the magic. I anticipate they'll probably make it, but is it crazy that they'll miss it? No, not at all. They're going to be the playing.

I think that's damn near certain at this point. Yeah, I'll say so. I mean, damn? Are you saying, they might miss it? Yeah, they might. I don't know. I think the Warriors might be cooked. We'll see.

The two and a half games up, and if Beal misses an extended amount of time, if Booker, who has all three of their guys, have missed significant time outside of Kevin Durant. And I guess at this point in his career, we're kind of just waiting for him to miss 10 games of the season. So I think that they could be on, like, we should watch them very, very closely.

For sure. I'm more so meant they're not going to be higher than that. Like there's no way they're going to be a top six seat, I think. Oh, okay. Yes. I agree with that. We have two hot takes from donations we've got to address. Listen, if you donate, you get your hot take read out loud.

That's how it works. Special privileges of being a supporter. Tyrone says, Hot take, Steph Curry is one of the best rim finishers of all time. Obviously, big men are the best rim finishers. Pound for pound, though, like at the point-girl position, he's up there, he's an elite rim finisher for sure. People don't necessarily think about him that way, but it's facts.

Yeah, exactly. This just happens whenever a player has an extraordinary skill that only he can do in the NBA, and that just puts everything else, every other part of his game. It makes every other part of his game like under a shadow. It's unseen, but he, is generally that's like a part of what it makes him so hard to stop is because he can get to the rim with ease because he can bullet pass by anyone answer on anyone and he has the finesse

of the best so 100% like that yeah I like that next one that one guy tips three dollars he says the Mabs are going to end up with the top five or six seed and Luca will carry them to a Western Conference Finals appearance slash win do you see the Mavericks making a run like they did a couple years ago and they made to the Western Conference Finals I do not I do not they would have to they would have to beat the nuggets

or the Tim Wolves or they would have to beat the nuggets Tim Wolves the Thunder or the Clippers in the series and they have not shown the ability to do that

yeah it's a playoff star today and they're in the plane right now they're seven seed let's say they get the seven seed they put the Thunder round one

tough matchup I'd pick the Thunder to win that let's say they do it it wouldn't be that shocking they could be the Thunder second round they would end up facing the winner of the Nuggets series right because they play they pay the winner the three seed yeah are they can meet the Thunder and then the Nuggets finals and go if they beat Nuggets Timberwolves then they

might win the championship bro if they beat Thunder Nuggets Timberwolves crowned Luca the best player in the world that'd be ridiculous bro yeah that'll be that'll be that's I would say right now like obviously out of the three as I came coming into the season I was the lowest on the Dallas Mavericks, but I am not going to continuously doubt Luca Dodgers and his capabilities, and because of that, I'm not going to, I'm not going to shorthand the Mazz as much as I really, really want to, because that guy is really fucking good.

He's insane. Another donation came in from first, last, tip three dollars. Hot take, Sengoon, has been a top three center. Well, I'll go out front and say he has not, but I appreciate. appreciate the Sangoon love. He's been incredible. We talked about him a couple of streams ago. Pushing top 10 centers. He's definitely in that mix. He's been legitimately really good. If the Raptors were, I mean, if the Rockets were a better team, he'd have some All-Star buzz. I don't think. There's just too many names for him to make it

this year, I think. But he's been legit. He's really great. Yeah, he's cool. Top 3 is ridiculous. Yeah, so L-take, but it's a soft L-Take. I respect you. I appreciate the love for Sang-Goon. It's a polite L-Tick. Yeah, no. This is Singun's burner, bro. He's trying to get them all-star voting. you see let's see you taking the number from chat

let's see wizards are the least talented team in the NBA by far from Alec who who has the better collection of players the Wizards or the Pistons I think the Pistons

yeah I think they have the better collection of talent to be honest yeah they suck but least talented I think the Wizards deserve that title yeah I think they're better to them yeah their best players Kyle Kuzma like that alone

there's no star there yeah exactly Denny of Dia has been bombedo Bala he's a rookie who's been getting a lot of love as as deserved but they're in the trenches

yeah talking about telling you're like Denny but Denny's been hooping though this season I'm being real he is but like he's not

that guy I don't care another nation from Cars kicks he says love y'all's channel guys I should know this but what are each year guys is number one

favorite player of all time Donovan is obviously Carmelo I'm gonna get through Carmello, Trey Young, LeBron No, I'm LeBron Okay, LeBron LeBron Are you Steph Curry? Oh, you're Kobe

Nevermind, you're Kobe, never mind, you're Kobe Nevermind, you're The Better Mello That's right The Better Mello Is Mell number two? He is Three Curry, Curry number two?

Yeah, Munch Okay This is your number two, Isaac It was Prime James Harder I'm a little disillusioned over the previous years so maybe he's falling down but yeah 2018 James Hardin's pop up number two that was like if I if I wasn't born a Lakers fan for my family and I got into basketball on my own accords like obviously LeBron's my first favorite but he had moved teams a lot I probably would have became a

Rockets fan naturally in high school from being a fan of Hardin thank God you got saved you know thank it was I inherited the Lakers nepotism for my parents being from LA yeah that's great yeah LeBron's my one and PG-13 is my team him back in the days when he don't on Chris Anderson had that squiggly hairline I'm like bro you got me I'm sold you're much for life off of that yeah let's see hot take the Thunder will make the Western Conference finals I don't think that's a hot take I think I would predict that so good take W take for you yeah I give you a W take to it on screen there we go this guy spamming up hot take Isaiah

Joe will be the MVP i'll give you a laugh good one is very very nasty work will said hot take the nicks and the magic won't make the playoffs obviously in l take one of them is for sure making the playoffs by both do you guys see a world or either one of them can miss it no the four and 17 well i guess i guess realistically yeah like if the nicks are in the play in and lose two straight games then i guess so but i don't think that that's going to happen so i'll take let's see who we want to go with next you got you see one

Moe yeah I got you this is more so for Donovan I guess and you Isaac someone says old school NBA player hot take Darren Williams is criminally underrated where do you think Darren Williams I'm going to reformat this question where do you think Darren Williams

Prime Darren Williams would be ranked as a point guard in the NBA today top 10 I don't know if he'd be top five he wouldn't be top five I think he's underrated for what he did in his era and he was like more of a positive of a weaker point guard area I think

are they top ten Luca Curry SGA Tirese Damien Lillard Dierren Fox John Morant He's number eight heads heads

Like he's for sure better Without without any doubt And then after 9 10 those are real conversations Yeah I mean If you want to argue Darren Williams versus John Moran I get it it's a weird comparison prime Darren Williams probably he deserves that I think Darren Williams could probably be in conversations with like a jaw

or Deeran Fox maybe Dame like in that like five to seven range but I think he firmly wouldn't be top five yeah I gotta understand the conversations that Darren Williams was in right like Darren Williams was in conversations with Prime CP3 so I it's it's is like disrespect it's funny to say that Darren Williams is criminally underrated all the time like because nobody really thinks of Darren Williams in that way

but right now he would be a top 10 point guard like he just he is he is and was that good yeah easily top 10 I feel because like again the narrative is always like he was in conversations with CB3

like so that makes you think like oh should it be top top three point guard but like I don't even know CP3 would be the third best point guard in the league today prime CB3 already so it's hard to put even if you're saying Darren Williams

is directly behind him at best he could be fourth so it's tough man that is that is tough oh what I got another hot take ad naft says curry isn't the best PG in the NBA anymore oh I'm with you I finally made I finally made it I admitted it I've been saying it everywhere last pod I think it's Lucas as Lucas year to take that throne as number one PG part of it is because they have Curry playing fucking shooting guard next to Chris Paul which was a stupid ass decision from the jump it's their massacre in my boy but But I think Lucas hit the point where shooting's better, defense is better, unfuck with the bull as a passer, a rim score, mid-range score in the post.

He kind of just checks every box that I don't know how you don't give him the benefit of the doubt. No, I can't do it. I can't do it. Keep in mind as Donovan's second favorite player of all times. So take it with a grain of salt. They won't. I just like, you won't take the title for my sweet king. Like it's not going to happen.

From my sweet king. Oh, real quick. Not that you mentioned that, Donovan, what did you do for your, oh, this is not even a good question for you. Munchman, Isaac. What did you do for national brawn day on his birthday? What did you do? Did you throw a little party or dinner? Me and my girlfriend went to a Brazilian steakhouse and I was like, Bron, this one's for you.

I tip $23 and $60. I was, it was great. That is fantastic. Yeah, I went ahead, stayed up all night with my girl. I watched a fan-made LeBron James documentary on YouTube. Nasty work, I know, but it was a 10 out of 10. No, you're scaring the host. She's terrible.

Yeah, she was telling me, don't you ever treat me like this. I don't feel any, I don't feel special. I'm like, are you 6'8 and 260? Do you come from back in Ohio? Have you ever beat the 73 and fucking nine warriors? Don't ever talk to me like that. Do you even have four championships to your name?

One for your city? One for L.A. Can't even be number one all-time scoring. Show me a bucket right now. Show me your jump shot. That's great. I wish this happened in real life. I wish this wasn't fiction.

No, I actually did say that. Sure one day. Do you even have a post game? What are you doing here? What are we talking about? That feels like a good place to end the stream That was a good amount of hot takes That's a hilarious end note

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