The Deep 3 Podcast - How To Fix Every 2026 NBA Playoffs Loser | Ep. 215

Episode Date: May 21, 2026

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Donovan, you have exactly five words to sum up how you currently feel by James Harden, specifically. Five words, don't go over, don't go under. Or one, if you want to keep it simple. I see you're doing mental math right now. Thank you for your service. Was he your sixth man? Was he your sixth man? He gave one.

He was with us. He's an inside agent. He's working for the New York Knicks. That's the only way you can explain what happened. Him and Kenny Akson, bro. Both of them work for the next. They're informants. It's a CIA operation.

It's inside. Top down. I know you know that we see you. Keep doing your job. You're doing a fantastic job. Braises all the way. Well, you have three words to describe how it felt to watch Victory Woman Yama become the best way you've ever fucking seen before your very eyes

in game one of the Western Conference Finals. This is tough because I saw a lot. You saw a lot. Oh, my God. that's all I could say keep it simple I feel like the world is changing in front of my face

gas is rising players are getting longer and taller by the day I don't know what's happening Chicago winters is fucking longer bro why the fuck is it 50 degrees outside

Wembees is making the world change bro like this is a new age are you saying that Wembe is at fault for global warming 110% for climate change 100%

that's all power please yes as you guys see about title They lost last night. Listen, man. Still the best problem for it. As you guys see what a title today, we're here to talk about how to fix every single NBA playoff loser heading into this off season.

Kind of like a preview for the teams that are already eliminated. Talk about why they lost, what they can do about it, what learning they should take from the playoffs, and then how we apply that to the future and make the team better for next year. Before we do that, you guys know, we have to react to the conference finals. Donovan's Knicks come back from down 21. embarrassed than Cleveland Cavaliers in a overtime game in which Kenny Atkinson and James Hardin were taking turns, farting

over everybody, and then I made the react to games one and two of the Western Conference Finals. If you mentioned, game one, Wembe comes out. I don't know if I'm not a spoiling thing, but might have solidified himself as the best player in the world, potentially. Game two, Thunder bounce back. They get the victory at home. Lots to talk about today. Let's yeah.

Kenny Axson is tooting everywhere. Yeah, too, no storm. Stinky. Stinky. But before we do that, I didn't say cue the intro music yet. Because as you guys see, we are all wearing matching clothes, including B Souls. We're here to drop our 2026 summer merch.

As you see, Donovan has a long-sleeve shirt with a bunch of stuff all over it. I have this short-sleeve shirt with a bunch of stuff all over it. I have a hat with some stuff on it. Mo has a T-shirt with the same stuff that my hat has. B-Soles has a T-shirt with some stuff on it. Yeah. About a mug-all this summer. Your T-D-3 merch?

Wait, what does that mean? Mogg. Out-handsome someone, essentially. Oh. That's twice now, two episodes in a row where somebody says something very internet pervasive and you'll hear it. Mog them, moh, come on.

Like I heard that word, but I'm always like, how does that mean? It's like to shit on, like, stunt on, like essentially, but usually about looks. Okay, this definitely helps for sure. Webby is mugging shit every play of the game. That's the context you need. Speaking basketball territory.

Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. But yeah, check out the merch. We have three T-shirts, a crew neck, a long sleeve, a hat. Also, a water bottle that Donovan has right next to him. you see all these all these designs on it same ones in the shirts we got that all across it it's it'll get you good nice and hydrated for the summer don't go outside and get too thirsty that's tough so yeah if you like if you like those you know if you're if you drink that on the basketball court plus five attributes around the court all around it's Mike's magic

stuff yeah you might as well you might even dog magic stuff so much if you guys like the water bottle design put that on me what don't of his magic stuff look like what do you gain more great just put your shorts up even higher. You get a real mad or hating. The comments were saying that I'm taking Donovan's crime for hating too much. Really? Yeah.

I think it's because they were talking about that on the playoff of Hot Takes video. I think because I was saying, Jamal Murray, he keeps getting locked the fuck up. What do you mean? He shot 35% the numbers are there. I think it's a pattern of recognizing that Donovan's rubbing off on me. But anyways, if you guys like that water bottle stuff on it, my influence. Got some stickers. You can take these off, put it on whatever you want.

Put them on your own water bottle if you'd like, whatever you want. Beasles, you want it on your forehead? Yeah, sure. You want a TG3 sticker? You want to brand yourself? Yeah. Branding yourself is so embarrassing. Grown man branding yourself.

The walking billboard. I'm getting paid for this. This is a brand deal. Are you going to keep that on there for the full three hours? No. That would be a lot of stamina. That would be a humiliation for Joe. Facts.

It's the most I'll get. Okay. So check it out. Link will be in the description. It's out now. Yeah, man. With that being said, let's talk about some playoff basketball.

Cue the intro music. Let's see how long be so stay stickered up. Let's go. I wonder if it hurts and take it off. Just waxes himself. We're throwing it back. Whoa. That's crazy.

He was bragging. I don't know. The cranium is crazy. Oh my God. Crown eaters rejoice. Let's start today's conversation by starting with the Western Conference Finals. We did our preview episode on Monday, and we said this is the single most anticipated playoff series of the last decade, one of the most anticipated playoff series of our lifetimes

as NBA fans, especially for non-finals series. I really can't think of another one that rivals this. Like maybe the Rockets versus Warriors in 2018, that kind of had similar impact of a defending champ, seeing the team that is perfectly built to take them down. almost outdid them in the regular season. In that case, they did. And we're like, oh, what's going to happen with these two Titans facing off?

This feels like that to an even greater degree. Because you actually felt like the Spurs could win and maybe should win based on the regular season matchup. Maybe some people didn't feel that way against the Warriors, right? It's completely lived up to all the hype. Game one was basketball nirvana.

It sucks. That game one happened, the day we recorded episode. So we didn't get to give you guys a live reaction. Man, one of the greatest basketball games I have ever seen. And I guess before we get into every single thing, talking about it. That felt to me like the day we'll look back and say that was the day that Wembe became the clear cut best player in the world. In the next 10 years, he never lost the title.

And that game sealed it. That's obviously like, so that's been the prevailing narrative coming out of game one. We got to slow that down. I don't think we do. I think I think I think, like, obviously we've been waiting to give Wemby the crown. and like as soon as he stepped as soon as he walked into the league it was always a matter of like if not or it was a matter of when not if and so like you you finally get that moment everything's cool i think we do have to slow it down because the part of the reason why the series was so

like was so hyped up is because the other guy is on the is on the floor like if shea is this two-time MVP that for the last year and a half everyone's been like oh if he went back-to-back MEPs and back-to-back titles, we're going to have to have uncomfortable conversations. He's still there. And it's still game one. And like, shout out to when because, again, everything that he did was amazing. I do think that it is unfair for Shea and everything that he's accomplished over the last like year and a half to instantly after one game be like, yep, your chain has been snatched

for only, like you had it for 10 days or two weeks and then it's been snatched and not give him any type of opportunity to have any type of rebuttal in the say. And so I do think that like if Shea comes out and for the rest of the series, he played better last night. It wasn't like amazing, amazing. But it was a much better game, obviously. But like if he does come out for the rest of the series and take down the guy that everyone is instantly like, oh, he's the best playing in the world. I think that does give him credit to keep the belt. And I'm glad Shay has you to defend him in this moment.

Because as a big Shay fan, I agree with you that he, I don't think of him lesser because of this. But I think that from what we saw, just assuming you're right, if Wembe comes out and shit's the bed for the next four games and Shay goes crazy, then obviously it'll calm down. But just projecting towards the future and what it seemed like coming off that game

and even going into a game two in which when we didn't have as grade of a game, but you still felt the impact and you felt the reasons why people would say he's best player in the world. It just feels like even if the spurs lose this series, there will still be very, very, very good reason

to say that he is still the best player. Yeah. And not do just winning team gets the best player. Yeah, exactly. I agree with that. I feel like right before, right before this series started, we talked about, okay, like, yo, Shay, I need like a 40 piece. I need 45.

Fucking give me 50 or something like that. We looked up his career player, his career high in the playoffs and it was just 41 or something like that or 42 against the sons. And when it comes to this conversation, I feel like this exact moment that game won was the ultimate turn of the page. It was a new chapter. And when we did exactly what best. best player in the world stuff looks like walking into your first conference finals. This is the first

playoff run in general, which is still insane. And giving these guys 41 in the most like traditional big man sense while also doing some of the hybrid big stuff as well, pulling up from where he did just a couple years ago. We saw Steph Curry do the same shit against OKC, giving them 41 and 21 and rebounds three blocks alongside of that. Like he really, he really like stamped himself as something that's different, something that can be game planned or

schemed against at all. And in the last game, too, we didn't necessarily play bad, but OKC, like, we know what they did. You know, we can get into that too a little bit as well. But OK, see, you know what they did? It's not, bro. Damier might as well have been that.

It's not. It's also not, it's not a crime. What they did. And like everyone's, everyone is going to come out here for game two. And they're, they're going to, they're going to hate because obviously it does fall in line with the style of a basketball that, that OKC plays where on one side, on one side of the floor, everybody looks at their offense. And obviously, like, Shay's driving it. And it's like, okay, you guys flop towards your entire, like, your entire offensive game playing is built around flopping. And that's how it's looked at. And then defensively, you guys are hitting people over the head with hammers and bats and all these things.

And like, you're being overly aggressive. So I understand like why why you can be upset with Wembe, with somebody who is 7, 7,6 and has all of the physical attributes. The one thing that you know at this point that Minnesota was doing in the first round that Portland tried to do in the first round is try to be physical. OKC is good because for their entire lifespan, they are one of the more physical teams. And then you have the personnel to carry that out against one of the better players in the, you know, one of the best players in the league as well. So I think it's fine. And that's a, that's a perfectly normal adjustment. Yeah, if people were come up here expecting us to be,

just doing the same things Twitter says and being like, OKC doesn't play fair, you guys should know by now. This is the wrong show for you. We've been maintaining the same type of tone around OCCC for the past two years. Go watch every other playoff series. Go watch Magic versus Pistons. Every guard star in the league right now, especially really the last two years of playoff basketball,

the way it's been called, gets assaulted, gets grabbed off ball, gets pushed around, on ball, off ball, hand-checked, held every single play. OKC did this against last year against Yoke they use that same pressure that people do against guards against the big with Caruso

getting under him, fouling him every play if they were going to call that contact. Now they're doing against Wembe. It's nothing different what they've been doing and nothing different than what all the elite defenses

across the league do right now. In fact, I'll go as far as say it was a fantastic master class adjustment from Mark Dagnall to make that a focus. When we did our preview, we talked about all the back and forth

things the advantage both teams had. I remember there's a specific moment where I said, Loki, the most important player to me in the series, the swing factor is Isaiah Ardstein.

And you were like, I say Hartstah's legacy is on the line. And I said, what he can do as a big man doing the traditional sealing Wembe under the room stuff, making it so Wembe has to get pushed around, tired out, can't rotate every time because he's getting Cortostrined. That to me was a big deal, big difference maker in this series. And game one, Mark Dagnol said, I'm scared of Victor Wombo abusing Hartnstein and it's like bench him for the whole game, which felt to me very short-sighted because of all

the reasons. Game two, they made a clear adjustment that no, Hardinstein will roll every time, we'll make it physical, we'll try to box him out, seal him. him so when you can't rotate and it was a huge difference yeah and like those two to three seconds where it takes wemby to actually get up off the ground or really like a nudge somebody or make his presence felt means the fucking world because he has the most perfect timing in the world also combined with his length and all that and that's fantastic game plan we've seen it time and time getting you're right with guys like the notoriety in my mind guys who get pulled in scratch visibly that you see all the time

is like step kerry oh back in his prime back in those calves days he would always have massive scratches on his goddamn arms. Same thing with the Cole Yoko, too. He fought fucking bears all the time, too, after every single series that he would play. I feel like when it comes to this series with OKC and how they adjusted, I did come up here and was like, yo, I don't know what Isaiah Hardinstein is going to do this series at all. And you're right. Like, this is for game one, he did absolutely nothing. And offensively, he provided no value. Game two, it's so weird to say like, yo, Isaiah Hardinstein offensively, of course, set some screens, be big. But when it comes to you, can you give me some floor is consistent?

Can you give me like eight and nine points? And he did precisely that. So I think I feel good still about O'KC. Ultimately, my decision was O'KC and seven. But now I'm kind of through it because the whole J-Dub stuff is looming in. He pulled the hamstring. When you have the Harper thing, looming on the other side as well. So it's like that, those two in this specific game kind of balanced out.

Fox is going to be a game time decision for game three. but if he can't go, then now you're down, now you're down your top two guards. It's Fod Castle who's just like, yo, man, you want it, you want it. Everybody, like, he is the most generous person in the NBA right now. He's Santa Claus. He really is. He's giving everybody the ball at every single turn.

For him to have over 20 turnovers in the first two games is absolutely insane. It does not make sense for him to have that, for him to be this bad at keeping the ball and not turning the, the ball over. At this level, 20 turnovers in two games is ridiculous. It makes perfect sense.

I mean, I know what you're saying that you can't allow that is what you're saying. But if you've watched Defon Castle and you know the ups and downs of his games and you've seen the last two years of OKC basketball and the strengths they have turning over, makes perfect sense. This is why you need to Eric Fox.

And this is why he's genuinely not needed and all this stuff. He's needed to not overtax a young guards who are still young guards. And if you're going to win a championship, you're going to go through elite defenses. and Stefan Castle is Andre Igadawa stuck in a point guard's body. He is amazing at the wing stuff, being able to drive and slash you secondary playmaking,

be an incredible defender. He's so good at that. Not amazing at the point guard tasks that come with being six foot five and having to play in this role. It makes total sense at this point of his development that he's going to get harassed when you have Case of Wallace on the other side, the best hands in the NBA forcing turnovers. Yeah, this is pretty much who we've been his entire like basketball playing career, but outside of like I guess high school, if you want to say so, back when he was

in college. Like everyone was like, yeah, this guy cannot be your lead lead career. He can do that shit. But relying on him 100%. You don't want to do that. He came out before the NBA draft. And he was like, yeah, I'm a point guard. He can't be a point guard.

We're all like, all right, sure. Yeah, exactly. And this is the same exact thing that people have been saying. And now that you're playing against the most like hound set team in NBA history and OKC with all these guys who are literally ballhawks, it's going to be amplified times 10. And we're seeing historic shit right now, going back to what y'all said. So Harper better say healthy because he's one of their most mistake-free guards.

Mostly because he doesn't play me like a whole lot, he just gets to the bucket and you can't stop him. So he's like creates good possessions because he'll use the spacing of Wembe and create his own shot every single time of vital importance when the other guys giving it up like that. Fox obviously has to get healthy. If Fox and Harper don't play any game three, I don't imagine how they're going to be able to maintain that. So that sounds to me like Fox is going to play through whatever he's dealing with. He'll be there. Dude, Dylan Harper has like Hall of Fame bruiser. Yeah.

And we're like a finisher. The way he creates shots is just insane. Like it's insane how you just cannot stop him getting his own shot at the rim. And he's not even like blowing by people. It's not like it's like young Derek Rose where you can't stay in front of him. It's always contested. He just always finishes around everybody because he's so skilled. Yeah, they definitely, so I agree.

So they do need Deer and Fox for game three. Well, it would obviously help if they had Deer and Fox for game three. I think they need him. Yeah, I think they can win without him. No. Fox and Harper bulk on? Yes, I do. No, that's ridiculous.

Well, for two reasons. One, I think especially coming off of game one, you can see the fatigue on Wembe. And you can see the very clear strategy from San Antonio where anybody's getting minutes in this game because game one was ridiculous, right? Who got minutes? Jordan McClure. There you go. Hey, man. Don't disrespect.

Hold on now. He got seven minutes. I haven't seen that man play. It was good minutes, though. I haven't seen him play in a month and a half. It was good minutes. Yeah, all of a sudden, we're in game two of the conference finals. It's like, hey, man, go out here.

Was he hooping or not? You know, like, on the broadcast. He scored 89 points this season. Yeah, like, it's wild that he was out there. Both teams were early into the rotation. It was like him? This is his good chance. It looked like a two-age and Eric player.

Yeah, I was very surprised. Yeah, you're right. Both teams were very tired. and both teams did that very long. Also, I wanted to be known. I sent this with the screen echo. So it, it, it's different.

Yeah, it is different. Recorded that song. Huh? Record that song. Yeah. Okay. But yeah, so both teams are deep in the rotation.

They'll probably keep doing that because I feel like the effects of having to game one is that crazy. I mean, they're not going to feel great by game three. You know, they're going to be tired the whole time. So it might be a thing that up until the like game six and seven when your back's really against the wall,

you might continue to see deep rotations like this. Yeah. But I think, especially, just like if you are playing five minutes less you have just obviously a little bit more time to to recover you have that on on the spur side to um the entire conversation for today and going into tomorrow is going to be okay c is fouling and okay c is being super physical this is obviously what you what you say when you are trying to you know steer the whistle into your favor

trying trying to get that to go to go back in game three i think that's going to be something that's there. And on the opposite side, if, if, if, if, if okayc doesn't have jadub and now it's obviously Shay and the rest of their defenders, that's, that's how I'm looking at it. Because offensively, and really just the entire series, that man, Chet Holmgren, no, man, not man, he's dead. Like I, I'm in, for, for this specific series, he is not, he is not produced in the first, in the first two games to where I do not feel insanely confident that we can just walk into into a game where it's just Shay and Chet and look on the other side and you do have Wembe and you do have Castle who can still do a lot of really good things and be super confident that Chet's going to produce and he's going to

perform. So I think that obviously it would be very, very helpful if they had D.R. Fox. I don't think it is absolutely critical and if they don't have them, then they have no shot. Of course. No one saying is no shot. These are great teams. But we're talking about a very tough series. and was already going to be a tough series regardless if we think is going seven, like they can win a game without Dyer and Fox and Harper. I won't say they're going to get swept or anything, but I'm not going to pick them in game three if Fox isn't there. I don't know.

I'm like, I haven't thought about my game three decision because like, but even there. We're talking about this. He will be there. Sorry. He's going to be there. I assume so. I assume so. And assuming he does, he is there, I think that, yeah, like they have a better chance

to win, obviously. the chat thing for me it matters because it's like I've been like the biggest check criticizer I guess between the three of us but also at the same time too in a playoff setting like you need more he and he needs to be better but the reason why it's specifically last game you didn't feel it as much is because when he played better played a little bit better he I don't think he made any three I mean the bar wasn't high it wasn't high it went from like eight points to 13 points still better but I think you know Alex crusoe and how he's been literally like the best, the best role player in the playoffs so far, or at least in this series, God damn it.

He shot, he had like 30 points in game one, had like 17 in game two. He's been picked on as the guy to like, yeah, let him open. Let's leave his guy open see what happens. And he's been making him pay the entire time. And he's been keeping this team like above water, barely, bro. Like there's so many instances where you feel his impact, even when he's not shooting the three, where he's doing the normal access or stuff, having the most hustle plays, being one the best defenders out there just causing havoc and all through all the length that that the spurs

have fighting through all that shit too so that makes me like that covers the chet hung himself so much more than what how bad it actually is and considering that and then also talking about like no one's talked about it all a j mitchell's just been nullified yeah i was going to say taken away let's talk about that because a j mitchie mitchell and chad hongren did not forget to play basketball let's talk about what this really is, is that Victor Womenyama is just way better at those two guys, way better at defending what those two guys like to do than those guys are doing what they like to do. They are the biggest signs of Victor Womaniama's impact. Che is not bigger, it's not longer, it's not stronger, is not quicker, is not more technically sound, is not more tenacious, nothing than Wembe.

What advantage does he possibly have to do anything productive? I don't even know if I blame Chet for that. He's just inferior in every single way, genetically, effort, ability, whatever you want to winby he got better money spreads than that right he got better waves he eat better food bray he got a bigger house wear bigger shoes and think how crazier talk about like hardinstein come on hardinstein is stronger than wimby so he can have some kind of effect there boxing him out doing stuff finding some impact check cannot do anything better than wendy so he has no chance against him that just is what it is to me so like yeah we can be like check get in the weight rule you need to try why aren't you to fainby all this stuff he cannot beat him in any way so i don't feel need to

on it, which I think, I think, I think it is, it is a, one, it is a problem. Sure. It's just a reality, though. It is, it is a problem. I, there, it is not impossible because also, Wembe's not, whenby's also not guarding him one on one every single possession. Like, there are areas where Chet can, can get some, some shots off. One thing that, we're talking about it in the, in the group chat, it's a, it's a thing that's showing up now because, because Wembe's here, but obviously, like, I do think moving forward, chat does need to work on it. His jump shot is slow as hell. Yeah.

And so there was a shot in the corner that Wembe got because it took Chet seven seconds to get into his shooting motion. But a majority of the points that he scored were whenever Wembe was off the floor. And he's done a good job at that. He attacked Cornette last night and did a good job. And I think that's what he needs to do, obviously. My thing is I'm going to need more than three points whenever Wembe is on the floor because that's going to be 30 minutes out of the game. Like I understand that you are not, I'm not asking Chet to be Wemby. I am asking you to hold your head up for a second

and to actually and to actually score five points whenever he's on the floor. I think that that's a reasonable ass. I see, I think I'm not defending Chet. I'm not saying, Binae, I just don't care because he's going to get shit on by Wemby and that is what it is.

And we should spend the time thinking about the other advantages OECC can create because he's not going to do a bit against Wemby. No reason to harp on it. He is inferior. Now, I get, I do think that's why they went to Hardinstein defending him.

It's the, it's critical because the other guys like and the other guys matters yeah the other guys do do matter and if we are going to go into the series and if if at the end of the day based on what you said based on what you said in terms of not harping on it and the strategy that san antonio has if the thunder are going to get to the finals based on okay based on alice caruso offense and alice carrusso that's what it's come down to if you're the spurs obviously you are putting your hands up and you said if we lose like that then we then we lose like i get what you say that it's like let the role players beat you

will be all right. It's not that. They're double-teaming Shea every single time. And a big, a big adjustment in this game that they did really well is from the jump, these wings were dead set on driving off of those double teams. In game one, Shea played a fucking horrendous game. His process was so bad. His speed making decisions was so bad. But that was exasperated by the fact that those wings stood around. Froze. Watching him get double team waiting to catch the ball, throwing a bricks. The second game, they did not let that happen. Dort was driving really hard. You can tell Bark Dagonel said, when you catch the ball on the wing after a Shea double team, drive. Because if there's two bodies on Shea, oftentimes a big, either Wembe or Cornette, they're going to come out and trap him hard on the screens.

And you drive on the wing. They're going to have to help on you, and there will be an open three every time. You're going to create much better looks than the ones that they want you to take. They did a way better job at that. They, yes, like, we want the role players to beat us. So did the Lakers. And the role players beat the shit out of them. So did the sons.

The role players beat the shit out of them. This OKC team does not have regular role players that you want beating you. five Lou Dorts out there. And even Lood, like I said, did a good job. This team is more than capable, more than used to, playing this type of defense, I mean, playing this type of offense where the role players have to beat the Saudi factor.

They will beat you like that. Like, it's been shown for two straight years. No, I know that I'm saying, if you're saying, Antonio, you obviously, like, if they are going to beat you, you'd rather than, you'd rather that happen than just say, yeah, we're just going to give Shay the opportunity to play one-on-one.

And we've seen this. Do you think that they should stop Dublin Shay and just tell Castle? Like, this is your guy we're going to do this? No, I think we're doing fine. Then you keep doing what you're doing and just roll the ball out whoever wins. Both teams know what they got to do and like we'll see how these games go. Like they all have their plans. So I'm not saying you're doing anything wrong. I'm just saying that you're making the point that's Cheg needs to be the deciding factor because we can't rely on the role players. Yes, we can. Then we can rely on 3 through 15 with the OKC roster because they've shown they have the team

built for that. Yeah, I think it's exactly that. Right now like Isaiah Joe and Aaron Wiggins, this is not their series at all. And I think, think when it comes to someone like Jared McCain, he's very important because he's one of the guys who can do the anti-Wembe stuff, which is he's going to get them bitches up. And on top of that, too, he's fucking feisty and he got like six rebounds yesterday, which is pretty good for someone his size, obviously. And I think the way he like helps get more attention from these other guys and let guys like someone like Shay get easier shots to because he exists, he's there. And the spurs, no reason to get them bitches off matters the most, you know? Dude, AJ Mitchell's got Duke Bedford, Wemanyama. Yeah. That's the real thing is obviously they can win without J. Dub,

the guy here without him. They got here without him with A.J. Mitchell being fantastic. And that's why we said it's okay if they don't have J. Dub. Everything that we say about Shea and how taking away the rim with Wemby's defense

makes it so hard, especially with Castle breeding down your back, who's a great defender, how everything gets this much harder for Shea and it's a perfect matchup for him. A.J. Mitchell has the same exact issue, but he's far more one-dimensional.

Imagine if Shea didn't have the best mid-range jumper in the league. That's AJ Mitchell in the series, he can't get anything off. A pure slasher going up against Wemby is a nightmare. He's been boxed completely. That's the thing, is that we can harp on Chet needs to be better. I don't think he will, so I don't really care.

You're just, you're stunned in the series. A.J. Mitchell has to actually be better and has to figure out a way to get his game off. Because there is a chance he can be better. It's actually an avenue towards him getting more production. I need to see it. Yeah. I don't know. When it comes to AJ Mitchell, yeah, he's boxed, brother.

There's nothing that you can do right now. his game he needs to add more layers his game and there's gen there's like the in-between thing that he needs to for sure develop but it's hard to have that because we haven't seen anybody do that against san Antonio spurs and i agree with you like chet needs to be like he needs to do something he needs to be a factor he needs to have like a 20-point game or whatever but i think i've come to can't get a 15 can't get a 15 i've accepted i've accepted that's not who he is offensively brand he's never been at this point when he was here's here's it here's a here's the thing for me.

Because at this point, like one, I picked the Spurs to win the series in seven, right? This is, it's not even, it's not about, okay, C versus Tams. This is about Chet Hoagrin versus Chet Hongrin. I am getting so frustrated

because I really just want to see him perform. I want to see him play well. And last year, obviously he had the injury in the, in the playoffs. And so things were a little bit different. And now it's like, you are this guy that has this opportunity

and every single game you are getting boxed, it is the, it is, it is one of, it is one of, it is one of the most frustrating watches in the playoffs right now. It's Webby.

See, this is why we gotta have, it's why I said when we started this conversation that, I'm not asking, and this is, this is always been like our best, our biggest disagreement on Chet,

which is I have never asked them to score 30, right? That's not, that's not, that's not, that's not what I'm asking him, him to do. And I never feel like the things that I want to see Chet do

are unreasonable for his, his talent level or for the situation. And I think at a certain point, I think we both agree like, ah, yeah, he's not like that. So, or that expectation might just not be there for you. Yeah. And so it's like, again, 15 points. I don't think 15 points is crazy.

I don't care about shit right now. He nuked the sons and the Lakers offensively as a score. We talked about that. Now he gets to Wembe and all of a sudden he can't do anything. And it's, I've been saying you're, you need a, stop playing soft. Do you not see the common denominator here? This is why Winby, I think to me, we open this playoff conversation up by saying, this guy has so clearly, I don't care, whatever, we're done with shit. He is so clearly ascended to being the best player in the world to me that we've talked about it for years, like you said in the beginning, that we've been waiting for it to happen.

We're really waiting for a playoff run to see what it looks like. And we talked about this coming into the year, coming into 2026 in our preview episode, predicting what we think is going to happen in this calendar year, that we're one playoff run away from it. And we feel like this is the time where we see Wemby show that he's ready. best in the world now, no more outside looking in conversations. Again, even if they lose the series, if this fucking Thunderwin-5, I'm still going to come out of the series, probably thinking Victor Womenyama is the clear-cut best point in the world because he nuked AJ Mitchell by walking on the court, nukechette home by walking on the court.

Obviously, we know what he did, too-shae in game one and everything we saw in the regular season now, how everything changes defensively. And offensive, like you mentioned earlier, being Shaq, scoring 40, hitting a game one-in-three. Like, there's very little room in my heart right now. for anything other than Chet is probably, I mean, the Nwembe is probably the best player in the world and everything needs to be viewed through that lens.

I agree. Dude, one of the biggest and most insane stats from these last two games, and I guess it just shows how good of a close Mark Dargonol is and how Vita have the necessary players to really like lock down and execute this game plan is the first game. I think Webby took like 18, 18 shots in the restricted area.

Game two, bro. He took like fucking five, you know? And it's players like Ted Holmroom that helps like execute this shit right here. And of course like what he what he does offensively, it matters to or whatever. But overall, like there's so many more responsibilities on the court that should be tasked at hand and that we need to like realize that's important other than just like the simple get buckets, which he needs to do.

I agree with you. But on the other side of things, it's a Wembe. And this is literally like right in front of our faces. This is what he doing to one of your favorite players in Lee. I don't know what he's doing, bro. This is the moment where he is the best player in the world. 100%. And I don't disagree at all that Chet looks like a mouse right now. Wemby turns men into mice.

That's the takeaway to me. Not that Chet Hongrid is some bum and has never, and he needs to figure this out. He is a bum by proxy of Victor Wimmoniama being the guy that turns men into bums. And that's the whole story to me is praising Wembe rather than criticizing all the guys in O KC, which we just, Chet's obviously the main one because they have this weird beef and this similarity and stuff. And again, we're agreeing on the outcome, just talking differently about the cause. I just don't see anything.

I don't see anybody. Can you pull up the, there was a tweet that we said in the group. chat the doc 2k tweet yeah yeah about about chet just like not being up to up to for this fight and like i think it is it is super super interesting watching their their beef evolve and watching their matchup evolve over over the years yeah and so dr k's i understand chet just wanted who but unfortunately he's mentally going to have to participate in whatever this is when we got going on with him and this is This is facts. Like, I don't, whether you have beef or not, he does.

And he wants to kill you. I need, I need you to show some self-defense here. And that is, that is my, my biggest just want. But is he not showing himself defense or is he physically incapable of defending himself? Because whether he's just that amazing. No, no, he's, he's going down without a fight right now. I think you can try to fight all he wants. There's nothing you can do about it.

And that's, that outcome may be the same. On the snarl. Maybe. Yell the air. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe.

Maybe. Because you rolling up into a ball is much different than like, hey, man, I took a cup swings. He took a couple swings. He took a couple swings. I got knocked out. It'd be like that. I know why stuff too, because you mentioned earlier. I'm not going to say what you mentioned.

This is not the first player to go against one of the best players in the world and play similar. And we say that other guys just better. Those guys can still get stuff off. Like Paul George can go against Prime LeBron. Paul George still score some points. He'll still, you know, do something. Wembe is such a different animal, though, as a time. have a player that I get what you're saying that because we've seen other versions of like

inferior players to be able to at least show their hold their own right the level of physical advantage wemby has over these guys it i really can't remember another force like this that makes it just impossible if you to get your game off it's different than a lebron than a yokeish and other previous best players in the world and their rivals of similar archetypes wimby has a different level of suppression of other guys that that's the core of the thing to me is i just feel like i'm watching a guy who does something that no other player in history has ever done maybe I'd feel that way if I watched Prime Shack and somebody rolled up against him

that we had similar conversations with I wasn't there remember I don't know if he just like put I don't know, Alonzo warning in a torture chamber or something whatever was for that time maybe he did that too or maybe back in the day

would have done that or something I feel like I've just never seen somebody that has the ability to completely make someone disappear like Webby does yeah you feel like you're watching the goat which is very possible yeah it feels like you're watching Dion Sanders Shadow a corner and somebody like

and if somebody gets locked up by Dionne you don't want it bad enough that's a Dion that's how I feel about Vic If it was like a regular receiver, yes. But like if Jerry Rice is getting locked up there, Shed it's not Jerry Rice. It's like, no,

but like in terms of players who we do view as at the top of the league in that, in that upper. But notice that analogy. We don't even chat as that. This is a Yonik's getting fucking disappeared. No, but like not in, again,

I'm not asking him to score 30. I'm not asking, when we have 40 and 20 and 5 blocks in the first game. I'm not asking you to go ban for band. Yeah. Right. You can't. You can't.

You can't go. band for band. But if he has a section, I need you to have two shots. Buy two shots for everybody. You're right. You don't have to buy the bottle. You can get around the shots and that's all I need you to do. And he's looking in his pocket.

He's like, hey, man. I can't get some of the shots. I don't disagree. I don't disagree as a mouse. I'm just, I'm anticipating a decade of Webby making men look like mice. So it's all right to me. And that's a problem.

Is it a problem or is when be the goal? I think it's two things. It is a problem. Because whenever we look at this series and especially, and again, part of the hype coming into the series was, oh, wow, we're going to see this for the next five years. You're going to see him every single day. Yeah. You are going to see him at school every single day. At a certain point, you need to go up to your bully and punch him back and choke him out.

I don't care. I don't care because you are going to see him every single time for a decade. And if this is, and so like watching this, it is just sad because it's like, are we going to watch him? be a mouse for five straight years. Yes, you're gonna watch him get swirling for 10 straight years. That's sad. It's reality.

It's reality. Yeah, it can be sad, I guess. Wemby's just better. But I don't know, I never believed in Chet to be like, to be able to go ban for bed and Wemby in any type of capacity at all. They're just two completely different tier, tiers of players. He's pissing me off, man. It's not.

I think your perception of Wembe's is disappointing you too. When I go. No. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I think that's what is. I think we play is one more.

I think we're doing so much hating of all. the other guys. We're not glazing. Like the moment we saw on game one, we have come into it and not talked nearly enough about what's important here. This is 20 minutes

talking about the guy getting beat down and not enough time talking about that we just saw the rise of one of the players that will define basketball history. And you watch the game

in which the rise began. And what's happening with Chet is literally happening to everybody. No Casey right now. We saw, we saw Chee, he had game one,

one of the worst games I've seen him playing in my entire life, right? When it comes to seeing him at his piece. He was very, he got, It's not him.

He got Wemby. There's nothing that he can do. Same through with AJ Mitchell, bro. I talked about, yeah, like, this is going to be the next young brother. So this is going to be the next All-Star and all that. Brother, he has, like, combined maybe eight field goals in this entire series so far. He got Wembe. That has nothing to do with him, with him at all, bro.

And when it comes to what this series is, how it would it embodies, something that we also need to talk about. Overall, hopefully Harper comes back and hopefully, like, Safon Castle, Limits, like these two inovers or whatever. But what they got in Harper and Castle and all the like cutting, how physical they are, how someone like Harper looked like goddamn Emon Ward with how he was just stealing fucking all these balls left and right, being a goddamn safety in a corner, all at once bro, all over the court. He was blocking shots here and there. He was being so physical in the paint, being an extra body, fighting, stripping for these rebounds.

I don't want to say it's like a generational guard because you tell me, you tell me time and time again, that I use this word too much. I don't give a fuck. He's a generational guard, bro. Doing this set at 19, 20 years old, Harper. He's different. He's moving different.

He's better. He's different. We don't have to do that. We don't have to do that. He's different. And in the strength of that. For 40 minutes since, half of this time, he's hating semantics.

I'm a true. God. This should be the biggest glaze fest episode. We spent 20 minutes about the semantics of hate. Whatever. It's just so crazy. These are like the two youngest.

Some of the youngest teams in the league, so going band for band, playing the top-notch best basketball in the goddamn league. Fucking Devin Vassel, we don't talk about it. We haven't mentioned him once at all, too. That guy just one of the best 3-and-D players in the league. We already knew that, but seeing how he had this one play down the stretch. Game one is such a classic, bro, so much it gets overlooked where he, I think he blocked Chet Hongrum in the paint. There's so many, every single cut shot that you need, he's going to get. He can defy he can defend she.

Obviously, like, he's not one of the better defenders in the entire league, but he's a legitimate a good defender. He's all around. This team is so, this team around these guards specifically, hopefully Fox gets, gets back. These team are on these two guards, these three guards right now, special. And there's no other team in lead that can say, oh yeah, like we're just as bigger, maybe even bigger than OKC. And we can make these guys look and feel smaller from the guard position. It's crazy. It's special. Yeah. And you know what? Like all that's true, they're also made incredibly special by Wemby. Yes. It just, it felt like an Iowa. opening experience that we're never going to look at this era of basketball the same after that game

one that like again because we all knew it was coming and now it's here this game right here is literally shaping and shifting how a lot of teams are looking at players in this next draft because a lot of these teams these 28 other teams are going to have to have answers for these two teams right here yeah it's different it's different okay it's the goat let's make two-way players greater than man but chat man talk about chat man 20 more it's crazy Shay back to back MVP in his prime Yochich multiple time MVP in his prime

Janice multiple time MVP Maybe not his prime because he's been injured But you know still that guy Luca maybe the best non- MVP Of the last 40 years in his prime Feels like Winby's gonna be head and shoulders That like it feels like There's no player you'd rather have

That you're discussing the best player in the world Some of that comes down to who has the title Who took the crown like a narrative perspective That's to be seen We can still look up and say Shea as the crown because he went back to back. If you're talking about who you'd rather have on your team right now to build a basketball team around, I don't see anybody in the same tier

as Wemby right now. It's not even his final format. Yeah, and we're just there. At 22, walking in the playoffs, being the clear-cut best player, doing things that makes Shea look regular. Shea is not any worse. Shea is still the second best player in the world, incredibly irregular. Amazing player. Wembe looks like a different type of force next to him.

Yeah. And to talk about Shea as well, like, bro, one of the biggest pros about him is that he doesn't turn the ball over and he has a ball in his hands so often he takes all these tough shots last time I think he had like one turnover and with how again

like the processing stuff and all that and how there's just such a tall task to be throwing all these different types of bodies who are mad physical that one turn over is fucking crazy and his goddamn special right like he won't do terrible he was so bad game one it was I was pissed

those feel out games he's different different man yeah we'll see how the series goes on but feels like we're watching. Another thing we talked about in the playoff preview was we spent 30 minutes going back and forth about the strengths of the consistent with the season, what will translate.

At the end, I was like, wouldn't it be cool though? If one the stars just had a history making moment where they just won the series for their team and we just saw that happen, game one that felt like that was going to be Wemby. Yeah. And we'll see how the series progresses.

You know, it's going to be a long seven games. If J-Dob is out, I don't believe in the, I don't believe in OKC at all. He's probably going to be out, so that's tough. I think Spurs is going to take the time. This feels like it might be what we asked for. this might be a Wemby's ceiling changing history type of series. Yeah, it might be.

Let's go. And Chet, you'll never recover because of it because he's that guy. And you're going to live in his shadow for the next five years. You said that they can see each other every year. Is he going to be looking like a mice every time? Yes. And that's Chet's place in history. It's being the stepping stone for Wemby for five straight years.

Yeah, I hate that for him. You can hate it for him. Yeah, I hate it for him. I hate it for him. I hate it for. I see Chet dancing around DeAndre A. In and Rehachamara. Yeah, you see Chet doing this thing against Dillon Brooks and fucking

and whoever else they have running at the fight, you sell or Godora or whatever, it doesn't matter, bro. Like, when he's different. Yeah. Che would probably be fine against Carnotowns. He is not facing Carnotley Towns in his moments. So, unfortunately for him,

he will be a mouse forever against this guy. Best. Unless he gains five inches, 40 pounds, and like 20% more skill overnight. He can get, he's young. He can get 10 more pounds. Sure. So he'll know.

So he'll be. He's never going to have an answer for him. He's like, damn. He can never do it. And, like, yeah, I can get up here and be like, Chen, you need to be a man. that guy's a different type of man you're just not on his level it's different it's a man versus super soldier

chats Vegeta too love there's also elite coaching that we're watching too man yeah league coaching bro we can set our finest man to go beat up Steve Rogers he's gonna piece up every time yeah is their second Steve Rogers mentioned that's how it feels like watching Whippy Steve Rogers it doesn't matter how good what's a guy from Winter Soldier Frank Grillo's character

he's like they're the main soldier doesn't matter how good days of fighting Steve Rogers has that serum God, man. Yeah. Yeah, I remember. So good. Anyways, let's talk about the other series. This is a 46 minute. This would be a long episode.

Yeah, Jonathan. Donovan. Donovan, Donovan. Isaac. Your team is in the conference finals. Game one came around. We all expect your team to win. We watched this game together in person at a sports bar.

And your team went down 21 points. Beasol's had the camera on you. Giggling. Beasol's having a great time watching your downfall. I was having a great time. watching your downfall. We're giggling left and right. Beasles 1 to 10, how hard were you giggling the first half against the Knicks?

Like a seven? Yeah, I was giggling. Solid giggles. Like, yeah, W. Giggles. But while we were giggling, Goddivin, I was laughing here and there, too, trying to get it off. Right, right, why I get it off, too, I looked at you and I said, it's not over yet. It's not over yet. I'm like, brother, as much, it's funny it is.

And I want to see you lose to Dean Wade and all that. Still not over. And that was an astute observation, because after we were done giggling, the second half came around and no not even second half fourth quarter came around because the third quarter was more the same yeah fourth quarter came around whoever offense on james hardin kettie ackinson saw that said you got it show them you're not a bitch stand there defend brunson he could not walk down the cabs below a 21 point lead go to overtime jaylon brunson single-handedly walks him down not single-handly but it's almost feeling it felt like it felt single-handedly walking down against james hardin every single

time. My takeaway, my tweet, I said James Harden physically in the way that he's moving, looks like he's one more bad game away from retiring midgame like Vonté Davis. That's how it felt watching them fucking drag him up and down the court. What was going through your mind when you saw this highs and lows of this game one? I mean, it's something that I can only think about in a dream. Like, what do you mean? One of the players that I've been hating on for a decade is allowing my team to come back into this game. Like, it was a beautiful sight to see. And I was shocked, honestly, because by the third time

that, mind you, there was like nine times that Brunson isolated against Hardin. By the third time, because Brunton had hit, I can, yeah, Brunton hit a three over, over Hardin. They called a timeout. I could not believe that they allowed Hardin to keep doing that.

That they, that they allowed Hardin to continue to be put in that, in that position. And I, in the first half, we were making this observation where the Knicks were doubling very, very hard on Harding, and they were getting the ball out of his hands, and they were basically just conceding. We're going to play four on three for this entire half.

And we're just going to, we're not going to put Brunton, we're not going to put Kat in any type of bad position. And the corners are going to be open, and people are going to have lanes to the rim, but we are going to trust this right now. And over and over and over, they were getting diced up, dice up, and I could not believe it. I was like, Mike Brown, why are we still in this

when they have dices up like this. The Cavs did a very similar thing at the end of that game, which is every time you allow Brunson to come into the screen, maybe for a quick second you had like a small, a small double you would hedge over and then get back. Ultimately, James Hardin was one-on-one with Jalen Brunson. I'm shocked and I think there was terrible coaching on Kenny Atkinson's part to allow Hardin to be in that position.

I think that one, so I see, we see it league-wide. with switches, you cannot concede these switches that easily. It just, it can't, it can't happen on either side. But knowing that Hardin is, is the, is the target, you have to fight over a screen. And the cab didn't, didn't do that. They weren't, that wasn't part of their plan.

And Janen Brunson did Jalen Brunson things. And he, I mean, some of the shots that he was making. It's some of the best shot making that the Brunson has had. Where if he's going left, he's going right, he's going off the glass, the angles are super high. People are in his face. He was fantastic. And so it was, again, it was one of the best moments that I've seen from Brunson as a Nick in the in the playoffs. And he's had a lot of those moments, but it was just beautiful to see.

High five in the TV and all. That was so shameless, man. I go out and do the same thing. Man, it was beautiful. It was a great moment. Yeah. I think for me when it comes to watching how Kenny Atkinson, bro, he, that was a coaching disaster class and damn your coaching malpractice.

Actually, I think that was a humiliation ritual. When he asked and saw James Harden play after play after play, try to guard Brunson and go ahead, going back to what you said, concede these switches, seeing the Knicks going like an 18, 17, one run or whatever, and not call a single timeout, not have one of your most like, I have hard. I have hustle. Let me fight guys out there in Max Drew's play at all when he did play. I think he got the only bucket, the only real bucket that mattered for you. In overtime. In overtime. And also, yeah, like late in the fourth quarter, late late in the fourth quarter, too. Now, I watch this game and I see Donovan Mitchell just getting whatever he wants. Everyone is food.

He's not facing two of the top five defenses in the first round in the Detroit Pistons and the Toronto Raptors. And this, he just looks different for the first three quarters of the game. I think he had like 26 points. walked up in the fourth quarter just to deliver like only three points i believe shot like one to six from the field and i feel like something physically was like wrong with him like i don't know if it was an ankle or something some hamstring i don't know what it was but he just looks so like checked out and physically not there at all which led to the disgusting hoops that we've seen when it comes to when it comes to hard and see him try to initiate offense and it feels like bullying at this point i have no like blame or static for Hardin because

that's just not what you are right now. But Kenny Atkinson this series right here, it should get you fired. There's no excuse for a loss like that at all. There's no excuse for you to see your team be this outplayed and for you to conserve and save your goddamn timeouts for no reason

at all. I said I like timeouts. Love to save them. I like the feeling my pocket. You're disgusting. Does he what Kenny Atkinson said? What do you say? He said Kenny Atkinson was asked if he thought of benching James Hardin on defensive possessions at the end of the game one. He replied, no, he's been one of our best defenders in these playoffs. I trust him.

Smart. Great hands. Didn't think about that. Yeah, he was waiting for James Hardin to hit one of them, one of them reach around swipes, poke the ball one time, and then that'd be good enough to save him. That has to be his thought process. And you can not bench him. That's fine, because he hasn't stout for a lot of the playoffs and, like, doing his job,

being attacked. That doesn't mean you got to leave him on an island every time. Like that they're just asinine. Like to say I feel so much confident in James Hardin That we have to leave one-on-one and not help off anybody I feel a lot less confidence I have a lot Yeah, I feel a lot better about letting McElbridge

Beat me helping off of four on threes Than I do just James Hardin frying your Hardin every time Even if you feel like Hardin was Kays and Wallace I still wouldn't feel great about that When Jaylon Brun's on such a heater Crazy coaching on both sides There's that obviously not doing any type of double teams Not getting the ball of Brunson's hands

When you're seeing it every single time as you blow a lead. Other end, you said that Donald Mitchell disappeared in the second half and it felt like physically he wasn't quite there. I think he's fucking fine physically. They just continued.

They double team Donovan Mitchell and they threw the ball to Hardin and because they wanted Hardin to ISO every time because Hardin was not having a good game and they just said like, okay, we'll keep doing that. We'll accept that shit. Donald Mitchell didn't get the ball back. Kenny Atkinson didn't make the adjustment

and say make sure he gets the ball back. They were both Donald Mitchell and Atkinson okay with James Hardin making the decisions late game because he's been good for the playoffs. Was not today. The fact that now they're doing, Donovan Mitchell or mostly Kenny Atkinson, didn't make that just point on that side of the ball either.

Just ridiculous. And it's obviously like it's much easier for us to be up here and look at how that game ended and be like, oh, you should have bench James Hardin. Obviously, like a majority of the time, you're not going to be that. I think in that specific situation, though, I think it's, it should have been on the table.

And I think they should have looked at it because obviously he was getting cooked defensively. He wasn't having a good game offensively. He was fired offensively too, yeah. And so there's nothing, like he, James Hardin decided the game for the Cleveland Cavaliers. And everybody in the building was apparently just okay with that. And once we get three possessions in on both sides of the ball, that's where I think, okay, maybe, maybe we have to start. We have to look at taking, taking Hardin off the floor.

You keep D. Mitch, you keep shooter out there if you want just enough ball handling to keep things going. But taking these step back threes where he's not even really getting. crazy separation on them. So that's one. They did not have a great plan. And so whenever you are looking at at this game, it really had to beat DeMitch because at halftime, the Knicks were down.

And I said to you guys, I was like, I really don't understand how we're losing this game because Hardin isn't going crazy. Jared Allen had three points at halftime. Ebri Mowgli isn't having an amazing game. Why are the Knicks down in this moment and that persisted into the fourth quarter helped spark the run

because they just could not get any offense going. And so when Mobley is two of eight from three, when Jared Allen is, you know, I mean, Jared Allen's not going to drop 20. Like that's not going to happen. And then when DeMitch is getting in box like that, it's a different situation. So I think in game two,

they definitely do need to be more flexible with their lineups and they need to be a little bit more open to the idea that we're down one-oh, we're desperate. We have to be able to try things. Yeah, the guy tries something else. They have to make sure Donald Mitchell controls the flow of the game.

First half, he looked so good as a scorer. You could tell he was freed from not having to get with the Sarr Thompson and Scotty Barnes. The Knicks have so many small guards that he can get his game off against because they don't have the physical advantage over him like those guys on the other two teams did that had the big lengthy defenders. He was attacking McBride, he was attacking Brunson, he was attacking Hart. He was attacking Clarkson. All these guys he can do his thing against. That has to be the tone of the entire game.

You can't let just James Hardin' The Hoops decide it. You know what name you didn't say? What? You didn't say Landry Shammit. Because Landry Shammit came in and changed the game. Yeah. I'm sick of the Josh Hart gimmick. They should start Landry Shammit.

Josh Hart was kind of selling. I ain't going to lie. As soon as Josh Hart went to the bench and Shamic came in the game, guess which team came back and won? The one was shamming on the court. And this happens every single that, this happens a lot. Obviously, with the starting five and the Josh Hart conversation is going to be here. And Josh Hart does a lot of really, really good things.

And once his shot is, if his shot is not. not falling, then the Josh Hart experience becomes very, very polarizing. But I do think that between last night and between basically the entire season and the run that that we had last year, you can tell that there is something to Josh Hart not being in this starting lineup in this specific matchup. And so if he's not, he's not shooting 40% from three, he can't be out there for 35 minutes. Yeah. And I get why you talk about that way because we like Josh Hart and he's a part of the team.

He's under the role. there is something is the kindest way to put it. There is an obvious thing. He's a no three, no D player. So if he's not having streaky shooting where he's shooting above his expectations, there's no impact on us an awful player against the best level of defense.

I love the transition running he does. It's small, hit a head passes he does, the short roll stuff. It's all cute and cool. If he can't beat three or D, it becomes useless. But he played good defense in these last two rounds. Sure, sure. And so if you are getting,

that's why for me, I have a little bit more patience with Josh Hart because I do think that when his defense is good and you are getting a lot of the other stuff, you are getting the transition pushes, you're getting this extra rebounding. I think he can be helpful.

But obviously in game one, Dmit saw him and saw food. And so then that puts him in a different situation. His defense to me is good against non-good offensive players. Guys who like rely on strength more so. Yeah, and he's like a good team defender, like rotates well and stuff. But he has to defend star.

You can pick on him. Like Donovan Mitchell can pick on him And not, I mean The Pistons just had like Not Pistons Raptors. Raptors just didn't have like

Jumrapses. They didn't play the Raptors. What the fuck? Sixers? Yes, Sixers. Oh, you're talking about the Nixir. Yeah, yeah, last series. Last series I was like,

the Raptors. Not a lot of trying to have matched Josh Parkers and the Raptors. The Sixers weren't able to pick on him like that just because their offense was completely shackled. But a lot of stars, if they're able to get the flow

with their offense, he's a point you can attack. And you can't have two points you could attack him a primitive with brunson on the court you know what makes this loss even like worse for the calves is that the fact that the guy who i've been like raving about the entire power oh jana nobi who's coming off some hamstring stuff and hasn't played in like two weeks prior of this game i believe he didn't even have like the best game car anthony towns i think he just put like what 13 points shot six for 14 not a great game by him at all a lot of stupid stuff that

was going on normal car anthony town like experience was had and then on top of that too like this game what makes it feel so much worse you had it on you had it in the palm your hands you're up by like 17 or 20 with only seven minutes left to go right that's a brutal cell it's a disgusting cell and for the nicks like moving forward i feel i feel good about them specifically because yo mccat bridge is like now though like cats gone whatever cats he apparently wasn't there whatever ojin and obi getting back to normal he's harboring a injury okay whatever he had so many clutch just the right moment buckets that were had time and time again and if he continues it's like rise he had a fucking piss poor for a series against the hawks but if he continues

this man this will like help conceal so much and just continue to keep them like a float until it's brunt in time and instead of having the piss poor first first half that he had he shows up and he fits his game but damn they're fucking 40 rest yeah and like obviously uh mikhail and his is shooting like that's going to be had a crazy three towards the end of the game wild and it's the conference finals everybody has to play their best that that's fine OG I would like for him to keep shooting 50% from three we kind of all knew like that's that's that's insane yeah so to continue to expect that is a little bit wild I'm just happy that he's out here because OG's defense is that is that is the strength and that is that is his thing and so the fact that you can if need be put him

on some guards and also put him on Jared Allen. That's that's massive, right? So that he can play up. And that that then allows Kat to be on, on Evan Mobley. And for the most part, especially in the second half, Kat did a better job on Evermoble than he was doing. Evan is guarding himself, though, in my mind. I don't think there's anything outstanding about Kat.

Let's talk about another skinny. They're the same guys, though. Let's talk about another skinny power forward who's disappointed right now. He isn't that one be on his ass. Let's call. So let's talk about that then. Let's talk about it. I think we could, but we know what you feel and we do it to move on.

We get out of the show. We all know you were talking. It is. It is wild. I think this is worse than what Chet is doing. Oh, clearly. Yeah. There's a hundred percent.

But then also, too, I view him as a different level of score because I think he's a better creator. And obviously three point shooting is different, you know, because that's never necessarily been his calling card. He can get you a couple here and there. But he ultimately doesn't have. the touch. But seeing how his creation in the playoffs, it makes sense. Things are tighter. There's not as much space to operate. But seeing how like it just, everything just looks funky,

undecisive. He's not necessarily finishing strong at all. That's the type of smoke that I expect you to have for sure. You're right. He needs to be able to pay, but they need him for sure to get past the series. He just can't get past. They start him on the perimeter way too much and he just can't do it. They need to get in the ball lower. It's bad when he's trying to drive on the perimeter against Biggs that can just put a shoulder out and not be overpowered. You treat them like a small forward, man. Yeah, pretty much. A small forward that can't dribble.

What do you do then? And this is, and this is the funny, the funny part about it is that every team does this, where every team says, we can bring in James Hardin because we have enough around him to insulate, to insulate you from a bad James Hardin performance, which is exactly what happened in Game 7 against the Pistons. Mowbly and Allen have good games. DeMitch has a good game. James Harden does the game 7 James Hardin and stuff

and it doesn't matter because everybody else is there but if you are not getting that that version of Mobile you're not getting that version of anybody else then it doesn't matter yep we'll see how it goes none of us had any faith in the Cavs before this playoff series first half they showed some stuff that I think you would point to and say maybe they have a chance to win more games you think would be Mitch getting

going with the next offense can bog down after loss like that though there's no reason to have any faith in them that feels like a series that mentally you don't come back to the type of game it does it also puts a lot of pressure though on the Knicks to win to win tonight and to win game two because for everything that we're saying right now if the nicks fall flat tonight and cleveland goes back home one one game one doesn't

matter at all it none none of that none of that matters they accomplished what you would want people to do which is still home court so it it really puts the the onus on the nix to come out take everything that they learned from the last seven minutes of the game all the whoever offense and win game two and they have to win tonight. All right. On to the next topic, the main topic you guys see by the title today. Let's talk about how to fix all these playoff teams.

Let's talk about teams that have been eliminated so far and what you want to see them do going forward. If you're a fan of this team, what you look at based on how you went out in the playoffs and how you say, if we do this, next year we can really contend. Let's start with the Cavs. Let's talk about my hawks real quick, man.

Let's get them out of the way. You know, every time. Let's get them out the way. I was so disgusting. I don't want to start with the Hawks. We're going to talk about them regardless. It's been just give a cool little minute and 30 seconds and then talk about other teams. Oh, you have 30 seconds then if we're starting with the Hawks.

No, fuck that. I got a minute and 30. Every time about it. Start with the Hawks is ridiculous. Minute and 30. All right, cool. Draft is coming up. For free agency.

I've made my pick. Adé Mare. I want them on this team. Why we need bigs. This is what this league is treading towards right now. And I can't roll into next year with a Yekon Kongu as the loan. big who is important on this team. I'm not saying that Anyaqa can't start for my team.

No, he can. I like the spacing. But when it comes to needing different looks, Adai provides that his passing, his big physical presence in the paint when it comes to being the post defender that he is. And also all around, like all around just physicality. Like we need that, bro. We need that size.

On top of that, too, okay, I cannot roll into the next season as well. But Janlon Johnson as the like primary score on this team or like, one-a guy. I need some guy with half-court creation. I see Jim McCollum for you. Seed McCollum, you can rest. So you need a point guard, you need a main score, you need a main big. What else? Let me introduce you to my favorite Twitch streamer, Jalen Brown.

He will be in Atlanta. Super hell no. I've seen those. Hell knows. For who? You're above getting Jaylon Brown on your team? I'm saying, come on now. For the eighth overall pick, I'm assuming that would be putting that package. No. Really? Yeah, I'm not doing that. Really? I'm good.

I haven't thought about it So I'm sure you have good points My gut would say that The 8th world pick probably isn't more valuable Than Jalen Brown for the next five years I mean I don't know I think when it comes to Jalen Brown Over the next five years who's like

29 years old I think I'd rather index on The future right now And give myself a better chance of building out Other guys and find guys for cheaper And lower No I want yon is that day Yeah you could be If you guys had a

an actual guard that you trusted, I would be more inclined to do it. But the fact that she just said, we need a point guard, we need a score and we need it, and we need a big, then I don't like it in that situation. So how do we fix them?

Like you said, you get a minute and a half, we'll give you another minute and a half. What's like, okay, drafting a day, Mara, is that enough? Or do we feel like we also need to do something in free agency to deal with those other big glaring needs?

Also, what's the, what's, when we say enough, what's the goal? Like, what's enough for you next year? Let's finish like fifth or sixth again. and see if we can progress. Y'all don't have to do a damn thing to do that. We do.

The East is getting better and better each year. Okay, so I guess you're right. The diversion of fixing for every team isn't winning championship next year. That's not realistic. Yeah. I think fixing for them, though, is like you want to be...

Can we get like 50 higher than that, I think? Yeah, for sure. Can we get like 50 wins or whatever? Sure, you can say fourth. I just said a number of random number. Can you get 50 wins? 50 wins. 50 wins.

50 wins. You can you establish yourself as like a... Yeah. Can you establish yourself as like one of like the Pillar teams in the Eastern Conference. Of course, you have down on. I love what he's doing. He's sending and he's going is all right, but we need to address our half-court scoring

as well because Dyson Daniels, he's limited, of course, we all know that, but Nikola is Andrew Walker, the guy who emerged for us, the guy who won MIP, the guy who came out on average 20 points per game out of nowhere. He is not enough, and we've seen him literally like handcuffed. How do we fix that? Is it addressing that

on the garden, hey, can we offer guys like Osiris a potential bag? Or can we sit down and flirt with to Masay Jiri and the Dallas Mavericks. And can we have carry up for grabs in a potential trade? I don't know if we, if we're like, we have enough for that.

And with what we'd have to give up, that's not that attractive. But if we don't end up, if we don't end up going that way, finding some middle in guard, maybe just running it back with C.J. McColl in full year is growth that I want to see. We're not winning a championship. We're not going to the each of conference finals. But we're getting better, you know. So addressing the big situation and hopefully getting a guard better than C. if not. Is he a free agent?

Yes, he is. Then resigning CJ then, because you're not getting awesome Reeves. Kyrie, I suppose, is possible if they wanted to go out there. We're going to give Kyrie to a lot of teams today, I think. Because I think that's an attractive piece to throw around. Hawks could be a team for that. That could make sense. Yeah, I don't think Kyrie is because we're not as stacked asset-wise,

but it's worth mentioning. Listen, I don't think he's a terribly expensive asset-wise. You have a 22nd pick, give him another pick in the future years. Yeah, that's enough. He's creeping towards mid-30s coming off. ACL? Yeah. It'll be okay.

In fact, I would go the other way and say maybe you're just not in the market for a 34-year-old off an ACL and maybe you should just think longer term. I would, I would love to, but this is not, we didn't luck up, so you can't right now. Yeah, you're kind of stuck in purgatory either way, is what it is. Hopefully it's a fun time for you though. Okay. How do we fix the Los Angeles Lakers? What do we identify?

So it's tough because they didn't have to do that for a decade. They didn't have Luca. We can't really talk about how they went out in the playoffs because they didn't have Luca. Osiris came off the injury. LeBron was playing a different role than he would play if he comes back. So what we know for them in the regular season, specifically with this unique-ass situation they're in

where they can have $48 million in cap space, more if DeAndre Aden declines his player option, which I generally have no clue if he thinks he'd get more than $8 million in open market. So I don't know if he's in decline or stay right. The LeBron thing is in the air. They're going to pay Austin Reeves and probably go into one of the aprons. That'll be after they spend the cap space.

So to become an expensive team this summer, the question is, should they try to keep all their games? guys mean LeBron James, Rui, Luke Knard, Marcus Smart. They try to go and get a restrictive free agent, trade some of their picks now. They have three on the table. They're taking cap space contracts from other players. What is the best route to fix his team and for the goal of having a puncher's chance of competing with OKC next year around Luca and Reeves?

Puncher's chance would be I would give Reeves the bag. I would tell Bron, thank you for your service. and I would spend every asset that I had into getting wings that we feel comfortable playing in a playoff series. For multiple reasons, one, you have to have guys that can help defend and help cover up Austin and Lucas deficiencies.

And then going up against OKC and playing Shea, you obviously need wings, you need to be versatile there. And with what San Antonio is building, that's where you need to go. that would be my biggest concern for them.

The Cavs are in the conference finals so I don't know if they're going to blow it up. I was really hoping they lose in previous rounds because then maybe Jared Allen will be on the table and I think throwing three first-on picks or two if you want to keep your pick this year hopefully you can give two first-on picks

and two pick swaps or whatever it would take and getting a Jared Allen-type center would be huge to me. I think that's still on the table maybe even if they lose because I think you still have like you made obviously changes to your core

and ship it out there's Garland if you lose and if game one was any indication, if you lose in five and it's not some like, oh, we were right there, I think you might still feel that, oh, we have to make a change. So Jared Island might still be on the board for you. I would love that.

I agree. Wings. I've been saying this all season. With that $48 million of cap space, I want a fat-ass restrictive free agent offer going to Tar Heason. Tar Yason to me is the perfect wing to play next to Luca and Wembe. I meant my Wembe. Luke and Reeves.

Can't believe I said Wemby. What was that? Dreaming. Dreaming. I think Tyree's would be perfect there. And I don't know there's a lot of smoke there because I think a lot of people

would think lesser of him now because he wasn't shooting for a while this year. I feel great about him getting immense shot quality next to Luca and giving them the downhill driving the need off of those double teams, giving them the defense interior on the perimeter.

That's who I want to be long term like three, four hybrid. Obviously you've got to get more wings on top of that. They got to probably keep their pick in this draft and draft another young player because it's crazy that in the last three drafts they have absolutely nothing to show for it. Next year they need Bronny and to do

to be like legitimate rotation players and whoever they draft for the two, 26 pick this year needs to also be able to play. Doing that, getting a wing of free agency, hopefully trading for a big, see if LeBron wants to come back in the middle of a exception or something, because I don't think they can give him big money

unless they strike out on all those guys, then you might as well give LeBron one year $25 million, but that'll be the swing factor to me is if they can get a restrictive free agent and if they can trade for a great big. Do you want Marcus Smart back? Yes. Yeah, he gets the middle of exception

if LeBron doesn't want it. Yeah, okay. Okay, yeah, that makes sense. I think that's a perfect way to talk about the leakers. I don't know. It's crazy because it's like Jared Allen is the best option there But if for some reason

The Cavs just like want to stick with them And run it back in over there Who else? Claxton is always a popular one True The Clxton can make sense You know, JJ Reddick clearly wants to be a switching team And he's one of the premier switch defenders

So I'd be okay with that's But yeah, what other, I don't know what other bigs are on the market Because that's the hardest position to get Hence why the Lakers had DeAndreighton last year Which again last year the position was there's nothing to do you have no money, no assets.

DeAndre Aden is available for $8 million. You can't get better than that. Now you can. So when last year I was very okay with DeAndre ad for $8 million, giving the spot they're in, I would like to strive higher now and I would love for you, the Gronerty. Exactly, let's elevate. Let's go up to another tier of another tax bracket. We were okay

with poverty last year. We can make the most out of it. I think they did. I'm very okay with what Aiden did. Not ecstatic, not terrible. I'm okay with what Aiden did this year. We got a level up. He's either the backup or he's plan for Cleveland next year. Yeah, you can get the fridge with the ice maker now. Exactly.

We probably can't get a smart fridge yet. We probably can't connect Bluetooth to the fridge yet. But we can get ice machine. Yeah. Ice. That's mad unnecessary. And what's the need to have Bluetooth on the fridge? What's the need to have Bluetooth on the fridge? I don't know. I have not enough tax bracket yet. I don't know. I haven't found out. The fridge is crazy. I don't know. I think they probably, that's probably very realistic. I don't know. I think

do get Robert Williams or somebody like that because the health question is making him a little bit cheaper. That's probably what they do. I would like aim higher in Jared Allen. Robert Williams is probably very realistic. Yeah. Mitchell Robinson too. He's unrestricted for agents this season as well.

Instead of Targson, they could pay him. Yeah. I'm scared of Mitchell Robinson not being able to close or start games and play big minutes over the course of an 82 game season. I mean, I feel the same about Rob Will, not him not being there and not being consistent. And like, even in some of the, the, the, the, the, deeper playoff runs that boss had, you know, Rob was still, was missing games and stuff like that. So it's like, either way, like it's, it's the most valuable position right now.

And it's one of the reasons why, like you said, you don't just see starting caliber centers who are great defenders who are available every single game. They're not, they're not around like that. Walker Kessler's a rich with your free agent. I'm sure they'll offer him a bag. What do you, like, the Jazz is going to match. Like they're not in a position where they need to let him walk. So it's tough. It's tough for sure.

And we're seeing these two teams out West that are possible to beat are gigantic. You need to have a good stretch of Biggs out there. Aiden can be the backup, I guess. That's fine. But like if you want to really contend with OKC, you need to have a strong stout defender down there. Yeah, they're just not cheap anymore, man.

Like literally this free agency class of Biggs is, yeah, man. Yeah. It's Nicole Wussovich. I said them all. There's not really much dunk on. There's not really much out there at all. I guess we should talk about the LeBron thing. So we know the Lakers need wings.

We know the Lakers need bigs, and we know they're going to keep Austin Reeves. Some people have been like, what if they sign and trade Austin Reeves for Duren? Which I don't even know if it's possible once we were a shift to free agent and once understricted double sign and trade. I think it might be hard to pull off.

But even then, I wouldn't want to do that fucking shit, like at all. I'd be disgusted if they traded Reese for Duren. I would throw up my mouth, swallow it, throw up again. I'd be pissed. I'm like, I'd be so mad. That's very vivid. Yeah, that's how I'd feel.

They got to keep Boston Reeves. Yeah. Dude, they got to keep LeBron. Because some argue, I guess I'll lay out both ways. Some will argue that if your goal is to win around Luca Donchich, you look at all the realities we just stated, there's not a better player you're going to get for that price. So call it $30 million a year that he asked for than LeBron. You can't really replace that salary. If you walks, you're probably not going to be better

next year. Does any part of you want to let him leave or are you on the team keep him here? I mean, there's clearly, there's a part of me that wants to let him leave and just be done with the LeBron experience and then you just keep moving on. I think a lot of this, the number one thing dictating all of this is what number does Braun want. Yeah. And like he's, he's not going to take the minimum to go anywhere. That's not, that's not going to happen.

And if he wants top of, you know, if he wants like money, money, then his list of places that he can go obviously changes. If he's willing to be more flexible with what he wants, then I think, obviously it's still a conversation, but I, I think I'm, I think I'm done with it. Um, and just fully leaning into it's Luca time. And it is Luke at time. But if it's Luca time, everybody knows that. Like, what else are you getting better than that? What else are you not necessarily getting you got better than you can argue that having LeBron maximizes Luca time. Yeah, exactly. That's I'm like, I probably would rather not want to be over because there's not better options

available out there, you know? I, I feel that. I think when I, when I think about like the, the LeBron experience. A lot of it is just all the stuff that just comes with with Bronn. And like very clearly the Lakers have felt some type of way about the things that they come with Brown. And so internally, like it wouldn't shock me if they're saying we're just, we're over, we're over it. So that that's why from from that perspective, I would say probably move on.

But I think if you get the best case scenario where it makes sense, then like cool. Like obviously dream scenario would be he wants to go home, but he wants money. and for some reason the Cavs say, we're blowing this up anyways, let's build around LeBron and D. Mitch or whatever. You can sign and trade him there and get some stuff back. That would be glorious. If we could sign and trade him for real pieces,

that's best case scenario for sure. If we can get players that would be here for years, maybe you attach picks and get Jared Allen as part of that, probably not. But if you get Max Trues and Wade or whatever it looks like, getting pieces for a rotation because they need to build out an entire rotation, that would be ideal.

Letting him walk for nothing, I struggle to see how they'll get better. And now that means best case scenario is he takes less money. if they could strike gold in free agency and outline to him a way that they can sign Tarry Yason get Clay Thompson for the minimum who I'm sure LeBron likes

get paid Watson and Antarree Eason some crazy plan where we say LeBron if you come back for the mid-level exception, we'll have a squad that would be ideal is LeBron open to that if it's an amazing scenario

that makes sense for him to win a championship of Luca maybe probably not given the smoke we've heard about his relationship with the Lakers has a little contentious if he's to play hardball and say no I'm going to get paid what I'm worth

until the day I fucking retire then it might be sense to let him walk. But I do have to assume that LeBron's at least reasonable and if it's worth it, he'll take less money. To what degree? I don't know. I don't think he's taking $2 million. But 15, if it's like best case scenario,

they can trade for like a borderline star. I don't know. I don't think Brown's taking anything. If they like guarantee that like we have something written in paper we're going to trade for a borderline star. That's what I mean. But like that's very much in the table. You can sell them on that.

Yeah, like Luke's back fully healthy. Lost weight. A.R. is here, Finnigan, to his prime, its peak as well. You're going to be here helping put things together. And this is literally like the, I'm assuming this he would accept us, knowing this is his last run.

That's the only scenario which I can kind of see it happen. That's what I mean. Exactly. Like, yeah, we can be like, the bra's not taking any less money. Maybe he said this is my farewell tour. And I don't know how to outline what star they would trade for right now, but they have those three first-upon picks.

I'd say something is sort of surprising and it's a really great player, right? Like, I'm looking around. Probably a big, would I have to be who that is. For lack of a better name, I don't want this guy right now. Let's say it's J. Lindern, somebody that moves the needle.

And let's say Jay Lindern didn't have that playoff series and he's actually really good. Just using that placeholder of a type of player, but they're not letting him walk. So don't treat that as anything that matters. But if they're going to get that level,

like a low-level guy that could make an all-star team with those three first-on picks. Maybe Deson Baines a better example. You don't think LeBron would be like Fairwell Tour-all can play with this great team for mid-level. I don't know if he's...

That's also another thing. I don't know if it's his last year. Well, it's his last year. Yeah. If we go bear what was go bear I don't know how I'm not I'm not gonna do anything like that I think I mean it would be interesting

obviously if you had Luca Bronn Reeves Gobert like that's different and that's nasty but your team is thin yeah it is ultimately I think get ready to speak Kelly Uber get ready to speak to Vice Harris

I'd be shocked with those two days for my team let me tell Uber I wouldn't mind that You could do Kelly I would have mind that He feels like Uber is there He's nasty I wouldn't mind that Uber is there

But yeah This whole thing is This era of the Lakers It's just so weird And like nobody ever knows What the plan is So like we're talking

We're talking about it I have zero idea And zero any type of inclination As to what Lebron will want What the Lakers because you're even thinking right now. So, yeah, I think for them, we could talk about the things that we want. And for them, and part of it is if Bronn is there, but that's why I think for the, at the

core, you leave this offseason with wings that you feel comfortable playing in a playoff series and people that can, that you feel comfortable going far with. And that should be priority number one. I agree. And got to just convince LeBron take a pay cut. That's the path that's getting really good. He's training for somebody with those picks, signing a really good. restrict the free agent, a couple other really good pieces, and he takes a mid-level.

That's the path to being contender. If I argue ever, I'd rather have someone like Payton Watson than Torreason. I think he's a little overrated, but I'd be fine with that too, if it's that name instead. Any of these premier restricted free agents would be fine. I think Payton's a little gassed defensively. Yeah, defensively is fair. I'm looking at his offense. Yeah, sure.

Good offense fit. I need some thick defenders. I care way more about that. And again, I think Tarriesen is getting underrated. People are just forgetting about him. His offense is, his shot is just so chopped. Chop. It's bad.

He had a terrible, like, last few months in the league in the regular season. Playoffs is disgusting too. Yeah. Speaking of chopped. Be soles. Yes. Oh, that's a sentence. You said he's chopped.

I think of your chop team that went out chopping the playoffs. How do we fix the Boston Celtics this summer? I'm not going to lie. We were first talking about it. I was very pro. Let's move. Jalen Brown. Calm down a little bit.

I am at a point. I'm only moving Jalen Brown if it is for Yannis. Well, is that the answer? Is the Yonis trade the right trade for the Celtics? I personally believe so. But if we can't pull that off, I'm finally keeping Jailen Brown. I'm still pro like, we got to move off of Deroquite. Really?

The sink of shipping and you're like, it's time to get up before it's too late? Yeah, it could be a mistake in a couple years. If we look back, you know, kind of like. Denver losing MPJ in that whole conversation. But yeah, I just don't think running it back with the same squad next year is the right answer. Derek White is 31 years old. The main thing is he can buy a shot this year. Do we think he's physically at the point where he can't shoot anymore?

And then we can't assume he'll be back to shooting while next year? No, I think you give Derek White another opportunity. And I would keep Derek White. Now, let's say the honest thing is not on the table. how would you feel because Jayne LeBron is extension eligible this summer

he's gonna want that extension he's he's in a first team all NBA potentially at least that's crazy I just feel like he'd signed that deal I'm saying I hate these extension things in two months he's gonna he's gonna be on he's gonna be knocking on Brad Stevens door

and saying hey this time I'm eligible for the extension two years 142 million are you giving him that deal because I think that if you don't want to give him that that deal, given all of the, all of the noise and antics that have gone on since y'all lost, I think that if right now you don't want to give it to him,

I think he has to be moved. I don't think you can go into a season with Jalen Brown being eligible for an extension, him not getting it. And then now we're going back into normal Celtics where he's number two. We can't, we, that's too volatile of a situation. Yeah, normally it wouldn't be like normally like the, I think the more measure take would be like,

you're just running back, it'll be all right. You're right with the specific, what we know about Jalen Brown, his personality and how it's never been this like, it's never blown up, but we know the way he feels about himself and his measurement placement next to Jason Tatum.

It does feel like the exact confluence of factors that will lead to drama that you don't want. Yeah. So I think, I think y'all should try and do everything to get yon. I don't know if that's, honestly, maybe I feel like I'm a little skeptical about Janus just because he is aging at this point

and he has had some some health stuff. But, well, a better way to mitigate that than taking some of that pressure off of shoulders and putting on Jason Tatum shoulders. And that's fair. Just Tatum also coming off the, it's a very high risk move. But when you are the Celtics and you feel like you are in this, you know,

championship space, that is kind of what you have to do. And you do have to take that risk. So I think if I were the Celtics, I would look at at trading Jane and Brock. Because I'm also not firing Missoula like some of the fans want. Yeah, I'm just very pro. Like, if you have a three to four year championship window,

do everything you can to maximize that. And, you know, whatever the feature holds after that is whatever the feature holds. And I just feel like we are at the latter end of that championship window. And Yonis does kind of extend that and maximize that window that we're in right now. Yeah, it's tough. They really don't, like, they could run it back. And I wouldn't crucify them. They need to be.

They're deciding to. Yeah. Yeah. That's the thing on the margins. What was a pick situation looking like? They have a 226 pick. Yeah. They have second round picks in his draft.

I think they haven't traded like any of their picks. So they can trade them. They can trade three picks. And I think right now, like, it feels uncomfortable to talk about because it's like, damn, Derek White, the dude, then everybody's been glazing over the last like three years or so. Very important piece for the Celtics team. They needed him to get over the hunt. But also in the very same breath, like he is a part of their problems and what makes them so up and down.

He's not like a consistent shooter at all. And I think that. Also seeing how he got absolutely fried by Tyrese Max, he's not that type of defender to, you know, go ban for ban when it comes to foot speed and mirror somebody, he's more of a team defender. But to see how disgusting that was in the first round, that makes me feel like, yeah,

you should probably run off on a team and know how Brad Stevens is one of the smarter regimes in the league. I feel like this is the perfect time to cash in high on Derek White when no one's looking and steal a big of some value. Hey, man, you can trade. You can pick up Nicole Vosovich's team option. If I'm looking correctly, he does have a team option for $21 million for next year, right?

Is that true? Have you... I haven't checked, but... Okay, I think he's $21 million. He's unrestricted. He doesn't have a club option? Boots. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's, umrestricted.

Okay, this must see... I see, I see CO, that must mean this year. He's on a team option right now. Okay, so never mind, you can't do that. I was going to say... Maybe I got a look at the cap situation. I think they still could pull this off. They could trade Jalen Brown and multiple picks for Janus and Miles Turner.

And had the faith of that duo that the bucks have when they got. them together. Come on. Bring in that money, have Tatum, and then keep your guards. I don't hate that. That's a lot. Wow, man. I don't hate it, too.

I don't hate that. I love that. Like I said, I'm very high on the honest trade. If we can pull that off. Anything outside of that, I don't know. Margin' moves. Keep it running back. Margin' moves.

Anything outside of that means you are giving Jalen Brown the extension, which means that he's going to be on the books until like 2031, 232. Well, you could just say, you have a four years contract, just fucking play on it. Like, you don't, you don't got to extend him.

They can deal. If you're going to cause drama, we'll see what happens, I suppose, but they can do that. They can say, the onus is on you to not be a drama queen.

Yeah, for sure. If I'm dealing with, extend me, I'm literally throwing hissy fit. Like, trade me tomorrow. Three years left on this deal. I don't know. If I'm breast,

evens, I'd be like, okay, well, I think coming off of his favorite year of his career. I get it, I get it. It'll probably happen, but like,

I'm okay with the outcome if they don't get yonness of them saying sit tight and we're gonna run this team back and I'm not gonna do anything brash yeah plus the last year of his deal it's just it's just his his extension there's no it's no option or anything like that it's just done yeah no he's for sure one extra one throw it fun to give him a one plus one that'll align him with Tatum's deal

give him a guarantee year and then a player team option so a two year extension second one's the team option give me the whole team option give me everything fuck no hell no yeah I'll burn this thing down to the ground before I take a team I'll hop on stream right now with spell all your team. Yeah. If you're Jalen Brown, that feels like a compromise to me.

If we don't have to extend you, you want it real bad. There's a guaranteed year. You're the team option. You'll be 34 or whatever, $54 million team option. Like, play good. I don't know. I will say, if we go out the same way next year, the answer is very clear. Joe Mazula does have to go.

Oh, if it's the same way? Yeah, sure. If it's the same way, I guess. And that's, that's very much on the table. Yeah, yeah. If it's the same way, and he, like, has the issues that make them get shot out of the series. Yeah, that's fair. That's truly what scares me about trading Jalen Brown

is because even with the way we lost this year, I truly think there's some philosophical issues coaching-wise with how we lost. Is it a personnel issue or is it just truly like our offensive principles? That's the problem. You want a championship with it. So I do think we have the,

we know how it can happen, how it can work. And I can, to be fair, that 2024 roster is insane. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You want a championship with like one of the best roster. Yeah, so maybe that's not fair to me to push towards that as a talking point. I think we've said enough success that you clearly can win with it. He does it to tweak things and not be so rigid, that's for sure.

But I lean personnel that it just ended up what you can maximize the regular season isn't the same in the playoffs. You also, you had no bigs and Tatum was out in game seven. Yes. So it's a little bit different. Yeah. They probably, they don't really don't need to do anything crazy. Like if you can get Janus, get Yonis because he's Yonis. But there's plenty of reasons to tell yourself to not have reacting to kind of sit tight if you're the Celtics.

Yeah. Speaking of the complete fucking opposite of what I just said. how do we fix the Houston Rockets this summer? You trade Kevin Durant. I've been on that way. I've been on that way. And we say that, is that for basketball reasons or like you just don't want to deal with the locker himself?

I think it's worth it. Both. Actually, for basketball reasons, he kind of has to be there because Shengun has proven he's not going to be this guy. That can carry your offense to a level that you feel comfortable and that you feel confident making a deep playoff right. KD has to be there for basketball reasons. However, he talked mess about everybody on the team,

and we all know the things that he said. And so he can't be here. My thing is, I would be more than happy getting off of Katie for non-basket reasons, of course, but also because the only reason why I bought you here is because I thought these guys were ready. I thought Alfred Sengoon, after making his first all-star team, was going to take the next step and descendant,

and solidified ash and be more consistent shooter and all that. now this past year I found out that oh shit I was wrong he is not who I thought who I thought he was so clearly I need to sit down revamp retool and relocate some assets and this team is fucking loaded you know they got uh the phoenix sun's pick in 2027 and who knows what the phoenix is going to look like they had a respectable year but their future is so like mucky or whatever and then on top of that too i believe they have the brooklyn nets pick in 27 you know what the nets are right now it's a so i think we just slowed down a little bit on the idea that this vision for this team as it currently stands is completely a non-starter.

Like I do think we do have to give them some bend in for the doubt for the Vembley and Stephen Adams thing. Like that is sizable in turn of the best version of them. Like I think we have to give them one more year before we say we can't build around this course so we should blow it up and like retool. I think they deserve one more year to see what looks like with a point guard. These guys still are young. A man can get better next year. Shingoon wasn't that good but now I got to be that one at the Frenchinggoon. God damn it. The situation was terrible. He had to be point guard. He had no spacing. Like that was a

tall task to ask of him that I don't think because he couldn't succeed in that environment means he can't succeed in any environment with Kevin Durant. I think the Katie's going to be how 30. 100? Damn. He's going to he's going to be very, very old. And I think coming into this year and even two hours before the All-Star game, I would have believed, I would have believed you that, okay, let's just run this back with Fred and

with Stephen Adams. we can see what we have forward. Post-all-star game, I don't feel comfortable with him on this team right now. When I tell you, we trade Fred Van Vleet and picks for Kyrie Irving, what do you say? And we run back next year. Kyrie, Amen, Kevin Durant, Jabari, Shangoon.

And just to everybody, you know what? We're paying you millions of dollars to your professional get over it? Yep, exactly. Yeah. And then Tar Easton's a restricted free agent, we will do my fantasy. We'll sign and trade them to Lakers get a pickback. So we replenish our assets a little bit, but we let them walk for financial reasons.

Bring in Kyrie Irving. prepare him with Kevin Durant again with our crazy defense, Shingu and having more support around him. Either way, our point guard is coming off in ACO. Yeah, but he's better. Yeah, I feel better about Kyrie post ACL and I do Fred to some degree. Yeah, so let's say that,

but that's also putting a lot of pressure on Kyri to be a point guard, point guard. But maybe his scoring impact makes it, so Shangoon can do a little more of the stuff that he does as a playmaker. And if that doesn't work again, then come, if they come out and they suck, trade deadline, maybe we trade Shingun. Maybe we do the unthinkable and change up this whole idea of playing around this big. We'll see. But that gives us the ability to go to the next year with a better version of what we had

and try that vision one more time with Stephen Adams. There is. I'd be more okay with that than just saying we're going to run it back. I think because you traded for KD, you accelerated where you thought you were going to be. And because of his age, you are either we're going to blow this up or we're going all in. I don't think that there's a middle for the rockets. Yeah, and I think you can go all in. Like, the Kyrie thing isn't that all in.

Like, you don't got to give up all your assets in the world, especially if you do the Taris and thing replenish one of those picks. So I think that's going like slightly more in. You think the Yonis thing is on the table for them? No. There's too many moving parts for that, I think. Yeah, you'd have to give up Shingoon and that's like,

I don't want to pair Yannis and Kevin Durant right now. Like, it's, that's too much risky factors with their ages. That's all, that's a lot as cool as fuck, but that's a lot of, there's a lot of downside to that. But they're the way they both been hurt in their ages and stuff. that like that that to me is too all in that that's that's like mega all in yeah i don't think any NBA team like should go all in with like having the unction going on because clearly we're in a space where like all these games playing and all these miles add up and people just start

falling left and right and the when you make deep playoffs runs the biggest thing that i'm valuing right now from like the houston rockets is like youth and after seeing the last few teams in the NBA or win the NBA finals and how they haven't been on the older side of things. Like I don't want to I don't want to add like two old stars on my team.

That's a lot. Yeah. But I think the idea whether you're not, I think the idea of trading for a veteran fleet, which is cold because he's like the bedrock

so it feels mean to do that to him. The idea of trading him for a guard that you can rely upon a little more and trying that vision one more time

with an upgraded point guard with Stephen Adams back. I'm kind of okay of getting better in the margins there. Another bench point guard too, give yourself more,

just abilities to ball handle when people are out. I'm okay with giving him one more year. You know, the concept of telling Javari, hey man. Deal with it.

Was he wrong, though? Lock it, I don't know. Look inward, Jabari. They pull and they trade Jabari. Yeah. That'll be crazy.

That would be sick. I feel so bad for Jabari, man. Jabari, you're ready to speak Los Angeles Lakers? Come on, man. That would be amazing. I'd be ecstatic if the Lakers got Jabari Smith. He's good, man.

You just want the Rockets. Yes. Yes. I would love the rocket supporting cast for Luca. It's perfect. Yeah. Besides Shangoon. Yeah. If I'm building around, Luke, I'm trying to recreate that 2024 math team as close as I can.

And you know what? Jabari is super PJ Washington. That, yeah, that math's team, I feel like they can compete even today, man. Man. Now a Jason kid. Now a Jason kid, though. Fired. He's jobless right now. I love seeing bad people lose. Jobless.

Love to see bad people go outside. Okay, so that's how you fix these rockets. I think give them one more year with this vision, but an upgraded point guard is probably the play. Yeah, and if they don't, you know, I agree with you. They don't have to trade KD. I mean, they do have one of the best assets in the league

coming up in next year's draft. So you can... They have swap rights. Yeah. We're Brooklyn. And they also have Phoenix's pick too. So it's like they could sit on their hands just wait for that to bless their team.

So we'll see. Yeah, well, one more year. One more. Just because I would hate to not be able to see that team hold. We were high on that team before they lost Stephen Adams and Fred Van Bleet. So I would like to see you one more time. We'll see, man. How do we fix the Detroit Pistons, a team that we said all year had one exact thing to fix.

What is that one exact thing on Donovan? You need buckets, man. Buckets bad. Simple. Badly. I don't know. There's, in terms of contenders, it's very rarely that you see a contender need buckets this bad. They're another Kyrie Irving team, I think.

It could be very reasonable to pair of Irving with Kate Cunningham. And we're just assuming Kyrie is gettable now because they have. have new management and like they're bringing in a new coach that just screams we're going to go young around Cooper flag and do everything we can to maximize his timeline trading Kyrie for some picks when you're short on picks in the coming years would just make sense so I think we can continue to operate in that assumption and I'm and I think I think right now that's probably the best option because not only do you need buckets you need you need buckets you need handles like you you need a guard you creator yeah more than just shooting like we talked about the deadline

about Michael Porter Jr. That'd be nice. They'd make them better. But they need someone who can do that type of stuff off ball while being able to handle some pick and roll. Like, bro, I don't want to go

into another playoff series. Ask it. C.J. McCollum? I think guys like C.J. McCallons up there. That's fair. I think I would like to punch higher if I was in someone would give you a little bit more defensively. Yeah, he's definitely not the first call.

But he's on the list. Yeah. He's a good backup plan. He's on the list. But I think if I swing out on Kyrie Irving immediately in on in free agency. I am blowing up harassing Kobe White's line.

I think that's a guy that you missed out on in the trade in the trade day line or deadline or whatever. And maybe they just didn't want him and he's not their cup of tea because he was given for literally nothing. But still, I'm like, I'm hardheaded. I want them to get someone like him if all else fails.

I want a better shooter than Kobe White, but I wouldn't be mad at that if that was a sign. I'd want to see that and something else, I think. Really? You don't think Kobe White's like... No, you can shoot. I'm not saying he's a shooter, but I want somebody that's a little bit more of a like, a Kyrie Irving type where it's like running off the screens and can be a like impact shooter that stretches the court and be a good draw a place for and have the

gravity of his shooting. I don't know. I've seen Kobe do some shit this year and I'm like, yeah, man. Come on it's a cool shooter, but you know, he's not if you're running, you're not building offensive sets on running him around screens and having that open things up for people like you would have Michael Porter Jr. or Kyrie Irving. And I'm okay going with this with the ceiling play of a carrie's offense over Kobe. For sure.

At the, at the deadline. I was right there with you. I thought that they should have went and got Kobe White. That was also me thinking, oh, Jalen Dern's going to be there and scored and give you 20 and 10 and be a legit playoff, playoff performer. If he's not going to be that and I have serious questions, oh, I need somebody else who can, who can score. I need somebody else who can create and be the second option to Cade. So that's why I would very, very heavily have your Kyrie idea at the top of the list. Yeah.

outside of that like those three names you mentioned which is chiry train for kari and also all else fails c j macone norm palel you're gonna split up him and tyler hero yeah i mean that's the reason i don't want tyler hero who knows what norm powell's going for but norm power's like a good option too i like that i'll put him right alongside somebody like that guard who can shoot still handle be impactful off ball and be able to deal with pressure off of kate cunningham double teams yes and then alongside that too i would offer assar thompson a a trip somewhere, wherever country he likes, go to Jamaica or something like that

bro. And I would lock him in a gym with a singular basketball and have footage. I would tell him, yo, you make 33s in a row, you get in out to the gym. He's not coming back for five years. That's a jail sentence. Don't put him in that gym alone, though.

He's not coming back for five years. Don't put him in that gym alone, though. Put him in there a lethal shooter. He was on Twitter. He was talking about it. Sorry, hit my fucking line. He just, he doesn't know, sorry. They're not online. Those twins don't have phones. They're not a lot on the internet. Get them in a

gym, a lethal shooter. We'll fix them. Bro, he was making shots underwater. It was crazy. What does it end? It never does. He's not. He will. That's crazy. It's like, how do you even do that?

He's three in a row. He's a master. He's a master's at his path. Yeah. How do we fix the Orlando Magic? You probably have to trade Jalen Suggs. Because I think if you give Suggs the extension, if you give him the money,

you cap yourself out a lot. Well, they fired Jamal Mosley, right? So what's the... They didn't hire new coach yet, right? No. Okay, so let's assume they hire a coach that is fine. Let's say he answers problems and we feel like the word he's coming from.

It's like, it'll be better than John Mosley and we're not really worried about the coaching. What do you pinpoint is the biggest flaws of this roster that prevents him from being the best version themselves still? Oh, man. The biggest flaw isn't Jalen Suggs, but he might just be the path

to having the most value in a trade. But like, does losing him and the impact he brings do more harm than good? A little bit. Potentially, yeah. Probably depends on the flaw. Whatever you decide is what they need to address.

And what is that? I mean, for him, it was scoring and shooting. Or for the team, I should say. Oh, for the team. Yeah, I think it's creating and spacing and scoring, for sure. All the things that you said.

Damn, they have four people that are supposed to do in the starting lineup. And that's their problem? Yeah, exactly. That's the problem there then. We have four guys who create and we're not good enough of creating. And like realistically speaking, like, yeah, going back to what we said, you can't train

Paulo. I don't think you can trade Franz as well. If it's up for grabs and hey, like, sure, but historically speaking, we just don't see shit. Let me let this be known. We can trade Palo and we can trade fronds. They are not untouchable. I want to see it happen. I don't know what the Orlando Magic are made of.

And if that's type of thing they're willing to do, they can't. These guys aren't, this isn't Wembe. This isn't nobody that you can't trade. It's. I agree, but really, seriously speaking, like, who's going to, like, be blowing up your phone? The Milwaukee Bucks. Exactly. You finish it for me, the Milwaukee Bucks.

And if that's the case, sure, hell fucking, yeah. If the Milwaukee Bucks aren't getting any suitors, but also, I'm talking about that, too, it was like, bro, the Leonard Meta just, they just spent all their fucking picks in the world on Desmond Bain. So am I really enticed by just simply Pilo Bankero? Should they trade Franz Wagner? Should that be, should I think about that? Think about that maybe he doesn't elevate Pallow enough. and if we have to maximize Palo,

then maybe they should trade Fronds. I'd be damned if I let go of Frans. Watch him make his first all-star team all stuff with Palo. I agree. I agree. I wouldn't do it. Fuck, I'd be so mad.

And that's not how you elevate. Yeah. And that's, that is why Suggs has to go. Not at all. Because you're bringing in a new coach. Right now the magic are thinking, we're going to bring in a new coach.

Palo and Franz are the future. And we're going to have these. two big wings that are going to be able to score and create and do a lot of different things. You just came off with playoffs series where you had some moments where Palo was doing the playoff rising thing. That is what you're telling yourself. That is why they're probably going to trade Suggs and have a little bit more flexibility so that after this season, if it goes bad again, then you say we still have room to make

moves and then we make our decision on Frans and Palos. What do you want to upgrade on your roster if you trade Suggs? Do you want a different type of guard? Do you want a different big? Like, what's their goal here? If you're saying we have to move him because we don't have a lot of assets and somebody has to go

to get something good, what's the good that you want? So they're in a tough position. The good that they want, I don't think for this year is going to come from outside. I think everything that they want is,

has to come from within. It has to be internal growth. Anthony Black, I'm looking at you. It is. I think it's Anthony Black. I think it's Palo. And I think it's, I think it's Franz.

because the last two years, we've gotten glimpses of them leveling up and being like this level of player. And we haven't seen that because of injury a lot because of, you know, both of them getting injured at different times and, you know, them not being able to play together at their fullest form. So you are going to go into this offseason, tell yourself, everybody's going to be healthy this shit. We're finally going to be able to see if they're going to, they're going to click, they're going to mesh. and if it works, then it works, but that's what they're going to bank on.

So that's why I think sucks. Do I think it's smart? That's a different conversation. But that's why I think that the magic are telling themselves right now. Let's talk about what we should do then. Not necessarily like, they don't have to trade sucks, I think,

is what I'm thinking through all this. Like, maybe they have to do nothing. And hopefully the coach comes in and Palo improves because they don't have the assets to go get another high quality starter in terms of picks to add to their lineup, right? They can't go replace window card junior pick. If they trade sucks,

because they're trading for a different look. I guess you would trade for a guard that is like more offensive oriented, I guess. Which I suppose I can sell myself on that. If you tell me that it sucks plus a couple of the young players for like Tyler Hero and you go away from the defensive identity a little bit, I guess, I suppose I can squint and see it.

Do I feel like the magic should do nothing? Is that crazy? I think if you sit down, wouldn't keep jail and Suggles on this roster and all these guys don't improve like the way we want, then you probably lose out. on some value. What does that mean, though?

Lose on value in what way? You're not maximizing on assets. But are we sure that trading jail and Suggs will make us maximize that better, is my question for you. I don't know. Potentially. Yeah. And if you go out and you get a toddler hero,

I think that's okay. We do have to be honest with ourselves. This defensive identity. They were in the middle of the league in defensive. Like, that's not them anymore. That's why we need Sugs even more so. Like, I feel like he might be like,

we're pinpointing him because we know we can't trade Bain, just trade it for him, the two stars are two stars. I feel like he's such a stalwart of what they want to do defensively and connecting-wise. You're right. I just, you lose a lot when you trade him. So I'm struggling to see a move where you bring in enough upgrades in other areas that you're a better team that I get, if we're saying they have to make a move. But maybe you just shouldn't fall victim to that feeling you had to make a move. We only say sucks because he's the most valuable and like the most realistic out of the core right now.

I mean, he's not more valid with the front, but you know what I mean when it comes to trade-wise or whatever. So many teams like leap over fences to be like, yeah, I want J-L-L-Sug. You could get really nice offers and potential assets. Right now, I think guys are like teams in the league who could be in the market for someone like J-L-Suggs is, it sounds so weird. I don't think this should happen. But I think there's a realistic case in a scenario where, yo, these guys might hit with the chasmid be like, sucks for Hardin, who says no? I would fucking scream. I don't think it would be.

Four magic fans if they did that. Oh, I'd be so pissed. That would, ooh, that'd make me mad as fuck. Yeah, they traded Jalen sucks for James Harden. Yeah. Another thing that I tried to entertain, but the money just doesn't work and it's damn near impossible to do so. It would be so cool if Jamal Murray was on this team.

And you had like just unlimited buckets between him and Bain and half Paolo and France trying to figure it out. But that's just like literally hell. If we traded Jamal Murray just as a fan for Jalen sucks, ooh, I'd be so mad. Like, ooh, I'd be furious. We say that too. That'd be a mid four. You went to Jamal Murray?

Yeah. You know what I'm struggling with? I don't see a path of them getting really good this year. And they have to be better. So I think you either sit still and do nothing because there's no path to getting substantially better by trading Sugs to me or you rip that motherfucking bandit off

and look at that big guy and say now is the time to back door someone. Window Carter? Big back door window card. Big backdoor window card. If they backdoored, he should not be named and said it's time to start a new era

and get out before everybody realizes, I'd respect the hell out of it, obviously. That's just honestly, be the smartest thing that you should do right now. But you're not to say that otherwise they'll fucking docks you Orlando. They can't do it. They can't find us.

Okay. How do you fix the Timberwolves? Coming off of the season where she had no point guards, aunt was basically been point guard a lot of the year. They started working at the end because Don't see Vincento was a really good shooting guard next to him. RIP. Don't see Vincento tears his

Achilles will not be here for all of next year, presumably, unless he's on that shit. Tatum was on and they figure it out. How do we fix his team going the next year when the Julius Randall question hangs above us when the Riggumbert question hangs above us uh well the Julius Randall question that hangs above it you cut that string he's gone okay he's gone as hell for what like that dough he's like him like to be gone but like what do we get for him you can give me a sandwich i'll be a sandwich i'll be okay because based on what they based on literally every press conference from everybody after they lost i think they would be happier

with a Jersey Mike sandwich in the locker rather than Julius Randall and them talking about the moodiness of the season and being able to stay locked in and being a part of this team I don't know what exactly the packages I don't know how the rest of the league

looks at Julius Randall right now but he does have to go I agree but I don't feel like they're in it because of the Dante-Venchanzo thing because they lost in the Killers Under Walker the previous year I don't feel like they're in a by subtraction type of phase of their team. Like they need to get more rotation players

that ship out Randall. Is there a team in the NBA that watched Julius Randall? The Kings? Why would the Kings want Julius Randall? It's always the Kings. Because for two reasons. One, they suck and they need players and two, they are the dumbest team in the NBA. So I end in the most

irrational. I feel like any trade is always on the table for the Kings. So that's why I always say them. And I will continue to say the Kings. The Warriors want the Kings? I mean, do the Warriors want those Come on, man. The Warriors do not want the Kings

actually. That's nasty word. If you could offer the Warriors the entire Kings roster would they take anybody? For what? Free? For free?

I guess maybe they take King and Murray as but it. We got to be the Kings alone. They're always put it to joke, maybe. Would they take some bonus for free? I doubt it. Hell not. No. Maybe the Warriors would.

Maybe. Maybe the Warriors would. Maybe the Warriors would. There's Draymond can't. But no, they can't. He's dream of stomped on him, so they can't, they can't mend that franchise. It's a broken relationship.

That'll be such a personal. He can't be friends with a bonus. In a non-combat sport. It's not like he's John Jones. Boom. It's been a long time. It's been a long time so you got a good dream on him like that. I want him to, to, I want him to elbow somebody,

but like a people's elbow where he like jumps off the score. And dude who will be banned for the sport. I want him to suplex somebody. Dremont, let's elevate, man. I want Dremont, I want there to be an altercation, and I want Dremont to run and push off of somebody's shoulder to jump over them. And come down with the elbow. You want him to literally come over the top.

You want someone to be fighting. He walks around his hands behind the back, walks around, circling a shark, and then comes over the top. Jimo from the top row. Oh, my God. And they complain to the ref afterwards. Yo, that's not a foul, bro. That's not about.

Who are even talking about? The magic. The Timmoos. How do you fix these guys? Get rid of Randall. For what? Okay. I think getting rid of Randall is obviously the easy thing.

Only one realistic scenario how we can trade Randall. I can't think of a single one. You got to attach picks to his contract? Maybe. Potentially, but even their pick situation is a little bit murky. I believe they have swaps from the Rob Dillingham trade. So. that's tough.

Iowa's a free agent. Iowa's a free agent as well. Dante is Dante. He's not going to be there for the year because the Achilles stuff. She probably trade his contract. At all. I think right now, bro, it's tough. And this is the soul?

Is it the Kings? For Randall? Zach Levine? Nauseri needs to elevate. I'm being serious about that. That's the thing. You got to be the four. Like when it comes to what's on the table for you guys, I would hate to say.

I think Zadam McDaniels needs to be on the table. table and in order for you to acquire someone who makes like actually mountains move. Tim Conley had an interview the other day. I think it was just yesterday and he made some like pretty like outstanding comments in which he was talking about how this team, we need to be uncomfortable and there's some things that's going to be happening and a move is impending. And I can see this team making moves for someone like a Kyrie. And I think that as long as the right picture attached, we talked about Kyrie's for cheap.

He's super cheap. But I don't know if the Dallas Manich would necessarily love someone. one like Julius Randall alongside Cooper. He'd been expiring contract. That's disgusting. That would be the thing, would be that like Randall's just money, right? Exactly. So maybe they chipped in somewhere else just for like moving picks around.

Maybe it has to be a three-team deal in which somebody gets a pick, take on the contract, like a Bulls or something like that. Yeah. I suppose that's possible. Yeah. He's a $35 million player option. No way he turns that down, right? I don't know.

He doesn't turn that down yet. That's a lot of money. Yeah. He doesn't turn that down. Yeah. So, okay, attach that and whatever picks they have left to get a Kyrie? To get a Kyrie or. I hate to say it, but if push comes to shove and Yonis is actually on the table, you have to sacrifice them like Jaden and Jaden O'Ne McDaniels.

Oh, wait, I'm dumb. Actually, I first, before you see that, I think Jain Ossadne will be a starting power for it, actually. I think they should move him to Randall Spot and let him be a stretch four rather than being like your perimeter on a ball guy. So I'll say that real quick. On the other side. Who says no? Julie Trondwell-Opsin is a $35 million expiring straight up for John Morant's contract and say we can save him. Absolutely not

Absolutely not Absolutely So you think he's cooked There's no chance he can be good again You think he's cooked? John? I think that right now Is one of the biggest inflection points In this era of Timberwolves basketball

I think that for the last couple years Talent has gone elsewhere Ante Edwards has the most on his shoulders And if you tell him Your running mate is going to go from Carl Anthony Towns to Julius Randall to John Morant, that is franchise mismanagement. And that is,

that is ridiculous to give him those three players and say go win a title. John has two years up on his deal. I think that's wrong. John has two years up on his deal. So it would be one extra year to take him on, replace Julius Randall. We've been saying they need a point guard next to Anthony Edwards,

let him be the offball guy. He's so good at being, right? If you can save Jha and not have him have to be a score and much at all, he can be a point guard, trying to morph him to another stage his career without the hops, which maybe that just means he sucks

because if he has no hops, he'll just never be good again. Let's say we can get some type of version of him that's still like a good player, even though he's no longer Jha, being a point guard, trying to be Rondo. Like, I don't know that there's no chance that could work.

Apparently they are starting to become afraid that Ant's going to be the next disgruntled star in the league. I'd be scared too, yeah. So. I think he'd like Jaw. In terms of like personality-wise, he'd probably be happy with the move to keep him pacified.

But he might like it until it doesn't work. work and then shit changes. Yeah, until John stops Duncan, you know, like, I think that that part is tough. And even for Randall, even though that he had struggles, there were still times where he could, he could make a three. Jock can't do that. And so I think the shooting for this team goes completely, like, out the way. And their point guard situation, obviously, it's not good right now.

And they've been trying to figure it out. But you took a swing on, on Rob, that, that, that, that, you. didn't work. Mike Connolly is still old as hell. And then now you're going to put the onus on a young guard who is not big, is not a good defender and cannot shoot. I think, I think that would be a mistake if they went out and tried to save Jai. But I feel like with all those things that you said, this is damn near the perfect team for him to be saved. It's perfect team for Jha. For Jha to be saved. But Jaws on the perfect guard for them. Yeah, because for Jaws, like, hey man, you got Rigo Bear there. And he covers up every mistake that you do make. And then

And you do have one of the best shooters in the league and Anthony Edwards too. Like if I'm Joll, like I would I would love that. Yeah, Cherry York for sure. Court mandated community service. Trey Young? Come on out. I mean, I don't know what the Wizards are on.

I promise you he's not untouchable. I mean, he doesn't touch with what it's like. It's a financial move. Just like why. I don't go to fuck about Trey Young. Yeah. I also would not like that. I mean, I'd rather have Trey than Jah probably.

But. harassment versus harassment i don't know yeah i all i know is tim conn's gonna do some shit man and he's gonna he's he might he might go bear he might yeah bro some some insane things that he did say in his price conference specifically he said we know our competition is not going to sit still and nor will we if we mess up we'll mess up loudly we're trying to be as aggressive as possible all right well joe jill welcome to the timbrewops makes sense and i think jac i think everyone's pretty much up for grabs outside I ain't in certain conversations Julie's channel for John Moran.

That's how he fixed the Minnesota Timberwolves. Let's go. KD. Is KD a wolf's team? Sure, if they're trading him. It could be. Yeah. I think we should operate

at the assumption they're not going to trade KD, but if they do, I suppose it could be in the cards. Okay. Yeah. Why not? Lightning Round. How do you fix the Trailblazers?

You don't. They are stuck. Yeah. Like, you know, their cap sheet, it's, it's locked. It is locked up.

I don't see a, a big way for them to to get better outside of internal broke. But I got an email from the Blazers saying that I've been let go, bro. They're firing everybody, bro. I don't even know what's going on over there. I think you're Tray Shade and Sharp.

Yeah. Maybe. But I also think that they might still be invested just because you still need guards. And I know Damon is coming back. And so, like, he's going to be your point guard. Next year. Don't talk you about that man right now.

Yeah, I think you're fucked. I think I don't care. You're fucked. Phoenix Suns. How do you fix them in a year where they had a good year when they expected to be trash? They successfully crawled into purgatory. What do you do about it now that we're here? You stay in purgatory because that's what the lottery is going to be at.

Yes. How do we get the best version of purgatory? What move can we make? You keep Jalen Green. No. This version of Green, Booker and Dylan Brooks, you keep that. Okay. Precatory ball.

I don't know. It's just. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, Stay the same. Let's keep having fun. I think they're the perfect team to, like, be a Zah Morant team considering, like, they have nothing. They literally have nothing to lose.

You're trying to get too good. You just think Zah's going to do that? I'm saying you are trying to do too much. To get good. John Morant, right now, who you can get pretty much for free? That's not going to get you to do. And that's what I'm saying. You're trying to be good.

I don't like. I would like Devon Booker to go back to shooting guard. I'm sick of the point guard experience. Yeah. So, I mean, I don't know. I mean, Jalen Greenford Jah. I don't know the grisies do that. I think the grisies probably hope they can get a little better than that.

I think the grisies are in a position where they, they get their beggars right now, you know. They just got to have him exit the building and go into this new, fresh young blood rebuild, but I can't, I can't do that. With Jalen Green and the guys. Okay. Jailen Green and them.

Jailen for Job, we like that. I see, yeah. Yeah, probably. For that situation, It probably works. I think you can take a swing. It would be fun to have John and Dylan Brooks back together. I think that would be pretty interesting.

They can also extend Dylan Brooks this all season. So they'll probably give him a bag. But the sons... Dude, all their picks are tied up to all the mess that they created. And that's why I'm like, yeah, get job because you need more than ever to be decent. And they figure out a way to skate by. Conglipsy had a leap over year. Dylan Brooks 20-point score for whatever that means.

It means a lot, man. And I think someone like jaw could like really heal a lot of just like, heal and give you stability for the next few years. Try to keep, stay alive. Jaw and stability in the same sentence. Cute. Bro, you need something. You need something.

Hey, I like the swing. I think it's unstable, but it's like, again, I don't really know what to fill my job. We're talking about it. It's like if I can fix him. I don't know if he's fixable. Like it might just be a physical thing he'll never come back from. We'll see.

but if we're going to entertain the scenario I like it for the sense I'll buy on jaw while he's low I actually super would not if I was a GM but as a fan who's talking about teams on go fuck about

I will let them buy for Jha but if I was wearing a team I wouldn't even think about us buying on the line absolutely not there'd be zero part of me that considers it yeah

okay the rest of the lighting round how do you face the 76ers in their purgatory situation ah man it's all these teams are just in hell man fuck it's gonna be

Uneventful summer. You go to the, I forget what it's called, you go to the Liberty Belt building, wait for lightning to strike, get into a time traveling machine, go back about 12 years. When the NBA allowed people to amnesty a contract, bring that into the future, you amnesty Joe L'Nbee's contract. Outside of that, I don't know what they can do. 58, 62, 67, last one's the player option, next three years. And I'm pretty sure he's going to pick that up. You think? Still got Paul George.

That's one year where he's probably not going to be playing much because he'll be... Let's set the over under right now. 36-year-old Joe Lundibb. Is he playing 29 games? No. 29 and a half is the line. I have no reason to say yes to that question. Or maybe actually no, maybe that's like a 15 minute per game player by then.

Because 36 is like you're probably washed, like legitimately washed at 36. So maybe that's like a backup role player by then. Making $62 million a year. year. Oh my God. You know, by then, they might, how was I said they'll wave

and stretch them? Waving and stretching $67 million is nuts. Don't be paid $67 million over 67 years. Fuck, I'm in. When you waive and stretch a year,

it gets double and added one. So that would be $22 million for three straight years. That's what they do with Dame. Yeah. So I mean, you could do that.

By then the capital go up again. So maybe they will do that realistically in 2028. Oh my gosh. We're so far from, that. Yeah, they're in a situation where they're literally

Should the Kings trade for Joel and beat? First of a bonus. Yeah. So I'm like, yes, because it's fun to say. Nobody should trade for Joel and bead. There is nothing to be gained

for training for Joel and beat. Even the Kings don't want to sit around and waste $62 million a year, two years from now. They can't be that dumb. Should the sons do it? Nobody should do it. If we were at the point

where he has like two years left, yeah, I'm just trying to think about desperate teams. Two years from now, somebody should do that and take picks on to deal with the contract. we have three years of a contract

I don't think anybody should do that tell me why Joel and Bede should not be a Chicago Bowl I think they have you know what maybe in the building right now nah they can't they got new guys in the building right now

I don't think they can't yeah you got smart guys there now yeah they got big forehead guys not big forehead guys big brain guys yeah same thing same thing yeah I don't think they do that

I think they're just literally stuck with Joel and Bid so how do we maximize this then how do we get better having a better version of this team. Yo. I think realistically, you just try to improve the bench and hope the best for your health. That is true.

They had six and a half players in their rotation during the playoffs. Guess they're not going to have next year because he's walking for nothing, Quinn Grimes. Guess who is walking for nothing, Kelly Ubray? Guess who's walking for nothing, Andre Drummond. Oh, shit, never mind. Yeah, at that point in time, again, going back to... They're box. They're so box.

It's tough. We all just had to come back on, man. So what did it is? For one week, they reached their pretension for one week. So how we fix them is you probably resign Kelly Uber and Drummond. And then I think there will be a taxpayer mid-level exception. Which is like going to be like $8 million. And you try to find the bench player that gives you something good.

Do you fire Nick Nurse? I don't know if it does anything. Huh? Come on. Hi, please, please, please, please. Oh, please. Whoa. Come on now.

Get a point guard to coast a point guard. Bring in Rondo. Hey. Yeah, this scene was quick, man. They're praying for internal growth for fucking VJ. It's phone, man. Yeah, so. Get a good bench piece with the mid-level exception.

Maybe try to get Dean Wade, something like that, and just have a little bit more depth. Obviously, it works a bunch of times. If I was going into the off-season and we have our big meeting and we leave and we're like, all right, well, our plan is internal growth. I would not sleep at all the entire subject. I couldn't do that.

Yeah, when your internal growth is Joel and Bede and Paul George Yeah, I'm not having a good time Yeah How old is Tyrus Maxi like 26? Yeah You think their situation's so bad You just go like extremely young and trade Tyris Maxx

No, no No, no If you trade Tyrese maxi somebody will die in Philadelphia Tyrese is not untradable but like You're not being productive if you train them right now Yes, they could They're saying no harshly they could If the right move was available

I don't know that I see that So I'll probably say it won't happen They're right no Yeah If the right thing was available I think you could it's harder to do that when you have the Joel and Bede contract because you can't go that young Yeah if a team gives you like a desert

Bain level haul then yeah you can you can fart with that for sure But I don't think there's a team that's want to do that right now You can't sit Jewel and be down for three years So you're gonna play Juelan Bede so hard to go like super young Yeah Yeah it's just not possible but in Super tough Super tough last team's talking about today

Denver Nuggets save the best for last How do we fix? How do we fix How do we fix the most How do we fix the most disappointing team in the NBA? Oh, yeah, we're back. We're so bad. They have Joel Murray, who had the best year of his career made an all-star team.

Got locked up again. Disastrously. They have Aaron Gordon, one of the most valuable players in the NBA in terms of for his role, what he brings to his team, multiple years in a row, his body's given up on him, potential on the table.

They have Payne Watson, restricted free agent that they either have to bring back or let walk for nothing or do a signing trade. They have Cam Johnson who can go either way. They can keep him

or offload him to pay Peyton Watson and they have Christian Brown who is a terrible contract. But just young enough and just talented enough that maybe a team could sell themselves

on him giving them something. I just outlined like four players all of them could move. What's the best case scenario to rebuild this team? Because they can truly go many, many, many ways.

Three things. One, Peyton Watson remains on this team. Okay. I think that's one. So step one. If we're paying him, yes. Do we got to offload somebody?

Are you giving up picks offload Braun? Yes, I would do that 100%. Get down with that experiment immediately. But that's given waste some assets. Think carefully because you only have so many. Or do you get rid of Cam Johnson who you could offload for free? No, I think I actually would, I would rather give up access to get off of the Christian Brown Day. I think outside of, and this is only because Paul George played well for some parts of the playoffs.

Outside of Joy and B, Christian Brown's contract is the worst in the league. it's up there. How many years I thought I know? It's bad. I think it kicked in next year. Oh, it doesn't kick in yet? Oh, fuck.

I believe. I'm not a hundred percent. Oh my God. Yeah. We're at the start, right? We're at the start of it. Oh my God. 2026,

2027 is next year. He'll making 21, 23 and 25 and 26 and 28. Okay, good news. It's small number than I thought. I don't know why I thought he was at 30 per year. But yes, there's five years remaining on it. So I can't do that.

We will have to give up a pick. It sucks. We should. have given him the contract, we have to clear that out. Step three, I just looked it up for $13.99. You can get an agility ladder. And you tell Yolkich, speed your damn feet up. For $9.99, you can get it to your house in an hour.

He needs to be better defensively. There's just, there's no way that we can go into next season. That's a write-off. It's a right-off. It's a right-off. It's a business expense. You're spending $20 million. Really, what's $24?

right what's what is that really to a billion dollar really nothing he owns mad sports teams you can get that because I think those two moves up top and fixing your your wing rotation and really solidifying it that is that's that's massive everything else you have to hope Jamal Murray doesn't get locked up you have to hope that Aaron Gordon is going to be available and so you make sure that you know you probably already have it

you know around the clock massages all the hamstring stuff whatever you you have that Yokic can't be that bad defensively. And maybe he was that bad because he got injured and it just ruined him for the rest of the year. Maybe that's what happened. But he just has to be better. Let me say the obvious.

We should be thinking about trading Aaron Gordon and Jamal Murray. We're talking about all this stuff on the margins. These guys should be shocked. Not saying you need to pull the trigger, but they should be shopped. And you should see what the other versions are of this team. I don't think we need to stay super true to this identity of this team anymore.

I think everything's on the table, including them. Aaron Gordon wouldn't be on the table, but it's a health thing. So if there's a team out there that'll give you value as if he is 100% healthy, I think you take it because I think he clearly

is hitting at that point of his career where the injuries are adding up and if somebody's willing to say we need him really bad for this year, we'll give you multiple picks and you can do something

interesting with those picks and salaries, I'd entertain that. But in doing that, you'd need to find a way to get another elite defender at the rim next to Yokic. That's hard to do, right?

Training Jemal Murray for a different star guard should be super on the table. That's the easiest thing to do for sure. It's hard because like what other star guard would you want right now? Well, if the calves get swept

and embarrassed and want to blow it up, Jamal Murray for DeMitch, I guess. Some type of a scenario on that. I think that's one of those trades neither team would like, but maybe it's like realistic, I don't know. Probably not. I'm just throwing that out there.

Who else it's available? Let me look around. It would need to be another offensive star guard to give you that one-two punch with Nicole Yokic. Yeah. Where there may be. Question, does it have to be a guard?

Nope. Okay, because I did say earlier, I'd only trade J.B. for Janice. I did forget about Jamal Murray. I would like to entertain that. I think for the subject's major downgrade. I disagree. I think we're definitely in need of a truer point guard.

Jamal Murray does bring that more than anyone we have right now. Our philosophy is very three-point heavy. Jamal Murray is an elite three-point shooter. I like that. If we did that, though, you guys need another big, too. You need a real screen setter for him. You're like him and Kada, high pick and roll. I'm sitting on that easy phone O KC.

It's something to entertain. That's all I'm saying. I love that. That would, like, hide a lot of the warts from Derek White, too. Yeah. You know that's the minute you're perfect. If I'm both themes, teams, and you want to, like, shake things up. I'm going at Jamal Murdo.

What do you mean with that? Like, if I'm on the Celtics, like, your, your defense does take, it does take a hit. And so I do think, like. For sure, it does. I think having the questions about about Jamal Murray offensively and then knowing that it is going to be a downgrade defensively, I would be

very worried about doing that and that's for that reason I wouldn't do it. And I'm looking around. I don't even know who else would be available to trade Jamal Murray for so maybe it's not even realistic but I think that type of thing would be on the table if you want a different type of guard that isn't so yokish reliance in playoff scenarios

that can create more pain touches and isn't so prone to getting his water turned off by a defender like Jada Mae Daniels in a playoff series when they sit on the screens and they're able to stay in his airspace on the mid-range jumpers and he just has a hard time with it

maybe more of a rim pressure guard would be needed. Who that is? I don't really see anybody so I'm just talking. That type of thing. Franz Wagner, bring him home. And I said home.

He's not from fucking dead. Yeah. I'm really being bringing him here with the other Euro. Yeah. Yeah. Like, John? Not let me choose.

Come on, man. We're nuking these franchises. We always say like, or you just said like, Yeah, bringing with the other Europe. What if like, what did Germany and Serbia have beef? Like, I've, I've no idea that geopolitics. I think that is often quite, that is the case a lot of times.

Yeah. I've, I've, I've no idea what, what countries over there are beef. We've seen comments about that. They have serious beef in the Balkans. They have mega beef. It's some shit that we can never understand. Yeah. Some shit that runs deeper generations.

People are commented about that. That's. So it would be crazy. Like, if they did, if France comes in, and you're like, how dare you? And people from out there, Apparently, I'm just reading what people say that no more than me. Whenever, like, certain geopolitical things happen, the players are, like, super impacted.

I remember there was a part where in the season when Shangoon was dog shit. And they were saying, he's a lot in his mind. He's under, he's under a lot of controversy in Turkey because he appeared in some commercial that. I forget what it was. It was like alcohol or something like that. And it's a Muslim country. And he was, like, on the news being attacked because he's like one of their star athletes and like star celebrities. And he was like mentally in a blender because of that.

So, yeah, this Eastern European shit runs deep. Yeah, so we can't just blindly be like, you're a hero. Damn. Great teammates. We got to clean that up. We got to clean that up. I won't. Are there another Kyrie team?

Or is that too lateral? It's too old, I think. Yeah, too old. That one knows. That's an old conversation. Yeah. Yeah. It feels like Aaron Gordon probably should be the one out of the three that they get traded.

But he provides so much, but the availability is such a big question. but I don't know if you are trading Aaron Gordon I think that is in admission. We are not in a championship window right now. I don't know if there's anybody that they can get right now who can step into the role that he plays for them and be ready like day one.

You know what they could have done if this guy didn't get trade at the deadline? They could have been a Jared Jackson team to replace Aaron Gordon. Yeah. But he got moved already so I don't think of Jackson can move again. But trading to an all-star power forward

that's still a great defender if there's another one available that would be the move to me, I think. Yeah, right now there's What pigs do they have? I believe they have Pretty much most of their picks Not all. They haven't made anything like crazy

They need to do some Salary Cap circumvention and get Scotty Barnes Scott yeah, let's get the franchise player of the Toronto Raptors Bring them here Let's play some trees to get Scottie Barnes man Yeah, so I think they need to seriously Consider the entire identity of this team

So how do you fix the team is you put all things on the table And you make some brash moves Fair And I'll tell you fix every playoff loser That's what we're looking forward To them doing this summer With that being said It's time for us to have some fun

It's time for us to get giggly and unsurious It is time for TikTok time No more hot wings today But we will have some fun Let's go Welcome to TikTok time Today we are going to begin This second half of today's episode

By farming Victor Wenbenyama Clips as usual Like we've done for the last three years of our lives We are going to a draft Where we come together try to build a big man better than Victor Woman Yama.

Perfect. All today's players. Is light work? We just talked about... I actually don't know if it's light work. It's not light work at all. I just talked about Chad Holmgren got shit on and I'm like, it is what it is because Wemmey turns vice into men.

We get to build a player that can turn mice into men. That's not easy. But there's many men that we can pick from. Many men. One for every team. Only today's team. So only big men too. We can't cheat and go guards for skills.

Only big men's skills. And to be like Wemby, we added basketball IQ and mentality. Getting the mentality right is going to be impossible. Okay. Yeah, there's almost nobody. Yeah, maybe there's some bench break that's like fiery. But all right, B. Souls, hit that wheel. What's the first team we're working with?

First team. Oh. New Orleans Pelicans. Fuck! Which Big Bad do you want to pull for there? Are we taking, are we still taking DeAnd Jordan and body? No. No, his body sucks today.

He's old. He's damn, you're an assistant coach right now, man. He's tall. He's smart. Good basketball like you. He's an old guy. Wiley vet. Zion finishing?

Are we counting as a big? Yeah, he's a big. Let's count power forwards, but let's say 6'10 and up to make it fair. Big men, legitimately. Didn't be big dudes. You want to do Derek Queen passing? That's like not to strength, but it's not like the best in the league. You know, we're sure.

We're not going to get Yolkish probably, so we can live with Derek Queen passing. Yeah, yeah, all right. And for most bigs, it's okay. Yeah, Derek Queen's just a good of a pass year as Wemby. If he was seven foot four, he'd also be diamond-ton on. level teams. So now we have to get a 7-4 body.

Exactly. There we go. Porzikis, where you at? Please. Team number two, Los Angeles Lakers. Aiden's body's pretty good.

It doesn't do much with it. Jackson Hays can finish. Dunker. We don't want either their mentality. Neither are basketball like you. We can't take the shooting. It's either going to be

body or finishing. Body or finishing. Jackson Hays is bouncy. Aiden is a big frame. Adon his shoulders. Do we just go, we just go, Aiding body?

Yeah, because he's strong. Yeah. Because we can get a good mentality. That's Dave Robinson for real. Yeah, we give a good mentality. We're up. Yeah. Let's do the in body.

Okay. Yeah, because for, for finishing, I want somebody with a little bit, I want somebody who could dunk, but also with a little bit of a layup package as well. Post moves probably. Yeah. All right.

Team number three, we're starting off horrible so far. Can we get somebody good, please? Toronto Raptors. Oh, my fucking God. I say, how tall Scotty Barnes? Listen, man. I don't know why you just made that rule up. I know.

We could have had Zion finishing Scottie Barrett's defense. Yeah, we got new big man, man. Really, really it should be setter. I'm allowing to do power forwards at all. Scottie really do be playing power forward, though. He plays everything, yeah. All right, we said 6'10 and up. What does Scottie Barnes listed at?

He's like 6 and 9, I believe. 6 and 3. I think he's 6.9. Yeah. He's not 610 for sure. Please. He still says 68. Yeah.

We got Yaka Purtle and who's a brand of the wingspan is like 7 and 6. Oh, man. Yeah, Yakuperto, what, man? Mentality, basketball IQ Mentality He's a bad getter Oh, can we get Mamu shooting? Is he 6'10?

He's a center, right? No, he's a 4th. He's listed as a backup center. He is 6.9. Yeah. Does not count. Fuck. Yakoporo.

All right. Listen, that's your guy. What trade do you want? IQ, he's probably smart guy. He's probably plays again the right way. He was on the Spurs. You know, the Spurs just don't play anybody. It's a coach on the court.

Yeah. You're probably cooked, but let's see it through. He's never been known as lazy, so we're all right. Next team. This is one of the worst case scenarios ever so far. Rockets. Okay, we can't have Shingoon's passing, so which one of his dog shit skills do you want?

Shooting defense are finishing. Or do we take Javari Smith defense? DeVi Smith shooting? Have somebody who's a little bit versatile? Do you like Shingoon's mentality? No. Yeah. No, he's...

I mean, he's a dog, though. He'll attack you. He's a dog. Yeah, he's not good, but he will try. But we get a better shooter than Jabari. Does Jabari count as a big? Yeah. Yeah.

He plays the four. Yeah, he's definitely 6.9, too. 6.11. He's listed at. Yeah. I think Jabari's shooting is. Jabari's shooting is good and not great. Do we think we get another good, not great?

For a big, though, it will be, it will be very, very valuable. Do we think Shangorun's mentality is actively good? Probably. It is. He is a dog. He does talk a lot. He sucks at layups. He shoots so much.

many layups. He has unlimited confidence. I feel like we don't find a better shooter than Zavari. When it comes to mentality, like, Jabari's not a great shooter. I feel like we'll surely find one as good as him. Mind you. This is your own flex upon right here. But Aiton's body, wish and goons mentality. Okay.

If Aiton had, if Aiton had dog, I can get behind that. But if Ait can shoot like Jabari Smith, that would be nice. A lot of guys can shoot like Jabari Smith. I think we're overrated his shooting here. I'd rather than a lot of Jabari's defense than anything. We could take that as well But a lot of guys

I definitely definitely Yeah, no, no, no, no I personally lead shangoon mentality I let's do shangoon mentality man Fuck Let's do it Yeah, for once in our lives Let's see Deandre Aiden with a

Effort with that dog in him Okay Next up Please, we need a shooter Lakeer, okay, me We're not playing this game man Let's go on up Like please give us a shooter

Dallas Mavericks Derek lively Gafford finishing Derek lively defense both really good We should take Derek lively defense His body hasn't been the same in a couple of years But assume he's healthy Derek lively can play some goddamn defense

Okay Yes Or do you want to aim for like a go bear type Do you want to save defense Because we need to match one be I don't know We're good We're good

We're like So you know what We will go with the upside We are not going to take Lively's defense We have to wait for somebody. All right. Gaffer finishing.

Gaffirkin, does. Okay. And so now the two biggest traits. We have no good players. If we can get good defense and good shooting, we can, we can have something. Okay. Yokic.

Please. Okay. Oh, my God. Declos. Defense of Claxen, I guess. Should we start over? He's mad. He's mad.

It's so bad. Should we start over? This is it, man. This is it. We're chopped. This is. This is not a good player. This is not.

Yo, this is actually not a good player right now. It's even better than BAM? He's not. He cannot start on my team. Fuck, Mel. Yeah. He said, shall we start? No.

The breath of the wall. Fuck, this is bad. Last team. Class of defense. This close off reputation. No. Turning Saturday. Wuchavits is not there no more.

Fuck. Jalen Smith. Sticks? Oh, God. No. Jaila Smith. Tell us who shooter were taken. Yo.

Gershaw Yambuceli. What fuck. Yambu Seli's shooting. This player, top 20? Are they top 20 in the league? This guy's not even better than DRJ. No, he's not.

Oh, we just made the worst NBA player ever. And we were gutting for Wembe. Oh, my God, man. This is so bad. Fuck. Hey, but at least we got Shangoon's mentality. Shangoon's mentality gets into being also with no great skills. Listen, obviously, the defense is a little better?

Is this just Shangoon? Tall and a better body. Yeah, better body can pass a little bit Yeah But if Shangoon had that body If Shingu could finish like Gaffir he'd be a different guy This is not good This athletic Shinggo

And Su Shangoon should be So in his mind In the mentality we got it right So this is This is Shangoon So let us know Is this a better player We lost

This is not my B Oh shit man we got clucked for that draw That's so funny That's one of the worst You should we can try again Give people a second track? Fuck, man. I'm down to restart.

No. That's what they get today. The people don't want to see two? No. Because if we get something like that again, I can't take it. That's hilarious. For the love of God, man, please. Well, on to the next thing.

Beesles is going to show us some NBA teams, and it is our job to guess the team we're looking at. Today's team? Guessing the team by the country they are from. We are going to see flags, and we have to identify the team from all of NBA history. Oh, yeah. This is Adam.

Silver's favorite game. Adam Silver's why? I don't know. He loves it. He's the we are the world. Okay, okay, okay, okay. All right, first team. Canadian. Canadian. Canadian and Australians. Australian. Australian. Three Americans. Okay, who are? Australian wings. Oh, this is very easy. Australian wings. We got to just go there, right? Like, that has to be the one we would identify.

Yeah. Yeah. And a Canadian right there? You know exactly who this is. I don't. I think Joe Ingalls I think Ben Simmons, who's on a wing. Who am I missing as an obvious Australian? I said Ben Simmons in 2026. Well, these are across NBA history. Oh, it's across NBA history? Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's some historical teams on here.

Okay. That's all my, I don't know. Who's the obvious Australian wing? Australian and Canadian. I think this is pretty simple. This is the Atlanta Hawks this year. I want to lock that in? Oh, we're putting dicey downs to the three.

Yeah. Okay, okay, yeah. It is. The Atlanta Hogs, good shit. Boom. Hell yeah. I thought, okay, you know your team. That's good.

That's good. Next. What is that at center? That is U.S. Virgin Islands. Oh. Okay. Amen. I've never seen a flyer day in my life.

Dude, every other day I see new flak, I'm like, I fucking glist. I froze. All right. Well, I only know one player that's ever been from the U.S. Virgin Islands

that's talked about all the time. And I see a Frenchman at point guard. So clearly, this is some version of the Spurs. Which version we're going with? What year? okay so Brazilian little

Boris Dio he's French he is yeah I think yeah yeah I didn't know that I never do that I had no idea

he's French I had no idea yeah I thought he's over there down there I thought he was over there no no no yeah he's not down there

because he looks Brazilian size assumed just light skin yeah oh not even like yeah whatever Oh, sheesh, man. Who are Brazilian NBA players?

Is Tiago? Nah, he's not a four also, too. But you could play both of them. Yeah, maybe he's maybe flipped it. Yeah. He still has known the fuck with us on positions and put him wrong. This could be Tiago. Is he a Chicago Brazilian?

No, I think he's not Brazilian. He might be. Is he? What is he mo? He has, his name is Tiago. So maybe it's straight up in front of our faces. Fuck it. Is it Spurs?

Well, yeah, it's Spurs. Well, yeah. It's clear of Spurs. What year? I'm saying 14. I'm going to say 14. Sure, 2014.

Y'all are on fire. There's a 2014 spurn. All right. Yeah. Yeah. His name is Tiago. There we go. In front of our face.

His name is Tiago. Yeah, man. All right. Next. Oh, yeah. This is easily. Australian point guard. All right.

Oh, this. I think this right here. Tell me the flags first. Where you know, tell me the players. Up top. No, no,

you. No. No. No. I want to see out of here That right there is Of course

There's Australia America I don't know what What that is At the bottom left That's from over there That's one of the Europeans Is that Croatia?

It might be I just need to know Center what flag is that That's Cameroon All I think Oh okay so you know I would never know Cameroon's flag

Yeah That's Cameroon So this is obviously The green and yellow That's you That's you That's literally me Home Corps

That's literally me. But over that to the last. So Croatian big with the Cameroonian big. Yeah. Who are these Cameroonian bigs? It's only one right now. But it's all the time. It's all the time.

Yeah. I don't know. But it's Jolumbed, Ben Simmons, and then I think that's Darius Arch. I don't know what year this is. Oh, that's 2018? Maybe 2018 when he was. Yeah, 2018, 2019.

Yeah. Oh. Cooking my activity, man. Damn. There we go. 2018 Sixers. Remember who's in a rookie of the year race, Dario Sarich. Man, what happened?

Hey, man, Dario Sarge had a moment. Yeah, I used to love Dario Sarge. Same. All right, next. Sir Robert Covington. You should cook, y'all. He should cook y'all. Two Frenchmen and a Swede.

Swiss. So the Frenchman. All right, so the French big. Shooting Guard and Center. Is that Balakulibali and Saar? Is this this year's Wizards? What? You thought it would cook me.

You thought it would cook me. Damn! I didn't know Kishon George was a switch guy. I thought I thought that was the trick right there, man. Yeah, I didn't know that. What does I mean? Like, he has like one white parent and they're from Switzerland. He probably bangs it, too.

I think he has, he bangs it. Like, he's how you put it on your bio. It's like, all right, where we do you do? He's twisting the sweet. I'm with my roots. Yeah. That's the difference, honestly.

Like, if we go on his IG right now, and then he doesn't have it on his, on his IG profile. Or his basketball reference. then this is not valid. From my understanding, he has like dual citizenship. Oh, he does. Okay, okay, okay.

I didn't know it. Then that's good. So I do it. Kishan George, Instagram. Is he banging it in his IG? Yeah. He actually is. The IG bios says Swiss made dash 514 with a Canada flag.

He bangs it. Okay. He bangs it. Yeah. All right. Shats respect. He has a flagged at his puck all the time. Remember me, bitch.

Remember forget. In the club, twist and sweet. All right. Spanish power forward. What is that small forward? Is that Bosnia or Algeria? I think it's Bosnia. That does look familiar.

That looks like when we did Nurkich. So maybe it is Bosnia. It is Bosnia. Who's a Bosnia and Small Ford? Yo, good for y'all, man. I did not know. Well, cook it today, man. I know.

I only know these flags we've done this activity before. If you asked me two years ago what that flag was, I would fucking short circuit. All right. So a Spanish Power Forward thing in like, Maybe Powell Gasol. Yeah, I think of a Gasol brother. But Bosnian small forward, I just don't know.

Is Sasa Vucevic? Yeah, that's just thinking. Is it a Lakers? It's got to be, right? Is this the O'9 Lakers? Oh! Yeah. It was Vladimir Redmondovish.

Shut up, man. I was leaving Sasha. Yeah. Damn. Okay. Thought you had us in the bludger. Next. We're dunk on you today.

I don't know what that flag is. And what is that power forward? Thank God. We didn't do it. lot ones for this one. That's not. That's great Britain. No, but there's no red on the back.

I'd never seen that flag on my life. Is that a fucked up British flag? Because they're supposed to be red in the back with the white too. I think there's one. It is supposed to be England. Okay, so England. Okay.

Because it has two red crosses, right? My wrong? I don't know. Is there a different flag for England and Great Britain? Yes, there is. Oh, there is? Yeah, there's one for England and then there's one for Great Britain for like the UK. Oh, I see.

Yeah, UK. I didn't know that. It's the Knicks, but like, it's the Knicks. It's the Knicks. But like that's that's specific black because that big purr. Yeah, big purr. There is. Yeah, I've only seen the main one, the UK flag.

Wow, so they have, that's crazy. Yeah, shout out. Yeah, Great Britain in the UK. Wow. I did not know that. I feel like as an American, I only see the Union Jack. I don't see that one. Is it next?

Yes, it is. Wait, so this is. Wait, that's the, which one? That's the Great Britain flag. Okay. Gotcha. Okay. Where did I get that backwards?

I forgot. I don't know. You can tell us in the comments. Yeah. Tell us the comments. please. This one says UK flag on Google and it shows the one with the double red.

So I guess Great Britain is that one. Okay. All right. If you asked me to explain you the difference to those two things, I would die. It has to deal with like, who, like which one claims like Ireland and all the other ones.

Okay. Next. Okay, Australian Center. No, that, we said it's Croatian small Ford. We already established that. Yeah. Croatian flag. Okay.

Do you... That feels like Croatian. Who's on the Croatian team? Is Bogdan Croatian? No, he's Serbian. Okay, Bogdan, Serbian. That's an Australian center, by the way. Yes.

Australian Center. It's like Jock Lando. Oof. What a deep cut of us to be. That'll be so messy. This is a 23 Houston Rockets? No, it is not. No, I'm kidding.

Yeah, there's not an official guess. We're still bad and perfect. Yeah. Don't forget that. We get these Joclando jokes off in peace. Yeah. Don't mess up the records. Who are these Australian bigs?

Australian bigs and Croatian wings. Australian bigs? Here's the thing. I just do not know Croatian wings. Yeah, that's rare. What if he's talking about playing Bintam at center? That'd be bad. I didn't not.

All I can think about right now really is just... Finally stunked you. Oh, you got us. It is just just Benson, John Landau that I can think of about as bigs. There's got to be some young, young guy who's the center out there. There's definitely other bigs. He's got to be some. He's mad young.

He does have to be a young guy. Yeah. Who was on those teams with Patty Mills? An international play. They had other NBA players. And they were hooping. Yeah, they were doing great. Oh, Bogot.

Bogot. This is Andrew Bogot. I'm assuming this is Andrew Bogot team. I don't know what other Australian big he's going to pull out unless it's a new team. Did Bogan ever play with a Croatian wing? I don't think Bogot played with- I don't think any of the Warriors never had a Croatian wing. just popping on boge he's not pulling out a boge team that's not the warriors wait what was that

he's not pulling out a buck's team oh six bucks he doesn't know five players in the bucks i don't do that damn do you i don't know five players oh six bucks yeah i do tell me five players oh six bucks michael red ray allen yeah that's wrong he was not there no girl boikins that's what i'm saying maybe maybe paul skeets you're guess does he was my He might have the stump Yeah, the Croatian wings got me Who's that? Who's that white shooter?

He was blonde on the Warriors. That's like my only guess. Little hint here, it is an all-time team. Oh, yeah. Okay, so. Super cooked. It's probably not, Andrew Bogots. Is there another famous Australian big

we're blanking on? When we hear, we're going to be upset. That's probably the star. I bet the team is built around the idea of an Australian big and we're blanking on who that might be. But that's definitely who we're Because there's no famous Croatian small forwards.

I'm blanking on, I don't think, right? No. It might be somebody that we're forgetting about. Another hint, it's an all-time great team. Yeah, okay. I think I just said. All-time great team. Yeah.

Thank you, thank you, though. I'm in 2016 Warriors. Is it Bogot? Nope. Damn it, okay. I'm cooked. I'm cooked. No, we're cooked.

Put it out of misery. It is. The 1998 Chicago Bulls. That is Luke Longley. Yeah, we're done. That's all this. That's the Croatian player. Look at Ron Harper.

He's the first one actually. Ron Harper Jr. Just chilling. Oh, wait. That's the wrong, wrong, would they be better? No, let me do it. That is the Croatian player.

The Croatian player. I should have thought about that. Damn. The pride and joy of Croatian basketball. All right. Another Cameroonian power forward Spanish center. These Americans might as well say question marks. We're just going off of the four of letters.

Camer reinforced So the Spanish bigs Is Luwold Dang from Cameron? Uh, Lualdang, no. He's from like Sudan or... Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think this is... Is this a Gassal brother at center, you think?

No. I think this is Evisha Zubach potentially and Pascolle Seacom. Zubash has not from Spain. I don't think. Dubach is? No, but this is, this is Yaccom. That's Ziacom and Mark Gassal.

That is a 2019 Raptors. Oh, yeah, yep, yep, 2019 Raptors. I'm glad. There we go. I think Zubwatch is actually Zubwatch Croatian. I don't know. He's something like that.

He's European. I forget what he is exactly. I think he might be Croatian. Yeah, I think about it. Wait, no, no, no, no. Because I think the Croatians, maybe having the itches at the end. It's, it's.

It's a lot of it. Zubach is Croatian. They got the Oches too. That's fair. Okay. I love this game. We're so American. So it's all my creations, man.

It's so every time we do something like this, all the international fans are like, oh, these dumb Americans. It is a 2019 Raptors It's a big country I don't know all these other countries I looked at a lot of these teams A lot of these starting lineups

Are still like mad American But when you go deep That's when the internationals Yeah Next Oh my God I'm going cities with this All American

America would be too crazy This is the O8 Boston Celtics What the what the What's the hint What gave it away? Perkins from Beaumont. Oh, you know where Perkins from?

You know where Kendrick Perkins was born? Perkins from Beaumont and I know that Paul Pierce is a Cali guy. Yeah. I, wow. Wow. How did you one shot that instantly? I do know that Rondo's from Kentucky and. I know the state man.

KD. from South, wow. Beaumont. He'll be pulling next to Perkins crib. He's right there. He knows where Kendrick Perkins is from. You know where he stay at. That's insane.

He's sick out. He's like an hour outside of the Houston. It's not far. Beaumont. No pride and joy. Beaumont, Texas. He got your parking salute. I'm out the Beaumont, man.

Wow, you sniped this. I'm getting cooked. You're getting cooked. You would have cooked me horribly. I wouldn't have known. Again, thank God we're not doing hot ones. Oh my God. Next.

Last one. All right, where's that? That's Turkey. Turkey at the small Ford, Spain at Point Guard, Italian Center. The Italian centers. Who is Italian big? They be playing basketball like that? Sometimes.

They snuck a couple of them into the league. Mm. I see Spanish point guard I think Ricky Rubio Gallinari Gallinari was I don't think he played center he'd be the side power forward

but I do think Ricky Rubio when I see Turkish flag I don't think anybody besides Shangoon and his canter this can't be Mr. Freedom

certainly not Mr. Freedom Who the hell are these Italian bigs okay so all I can think really all I Fortats Polish Where's a I'm not obviously in Italy, but I'm just curious.

He's, uh, I just looked it up last, last week because we were talking about it. That's crazy. Just look at the world, so Julesenis, O'Gauskis is from? I think he's lobbying. Oh, okay. Okay, that's cool. Fucked up in the crib, Googling O'Gauscus country of origin. No, we were talking about him.

I'm not at the crib thinking of him. I promise you. That's not me. What's he from? Post it up. Research in Big Z. Half time of the Knicks game. Put in that work.

Man, who are Italian centers? Oh, wait. Is it like a Palo scenario? He's Italian? Is there another player like that? No, because there's no... Is this, okay. It's not palo, but is a player like that?

Is it like that? It's not like that. All right, this is a real Italian? Who are the Spanish point guards? Rubio. I think is Raul Nito from there? He's not going to blow out Rao Nito. Well, he might.

He might be the fifth starter. I do have basketball reference. I can just pull these up. He pulled out Robert Covington on us. True. So he's pulling out teams with some deep guts. So there's, okay, so the Spanish point guards, so there's Rubio, there is Jose Calderon.

Oh, Jose Calderon. It's Andre Baranari. That's the name. Say it one more time. I can't say his name. Andrea Ballernani. Andrea Baranari. Bariani.

Oh, that was worse. Barni. He's Italian. He doubled back and got worse. Okay, so is this one of the next teams? What? I don't know if this is the next team. Was that a guess?

I thought y'all were still like, I thought y'all were still confiding with each other. Yeah, I feel. Fair. Is this the Knicks or the Raptors? What? Oh. They put together the Knicks and the Raptors?

Wait, isn't it? I need Spanish? What are you on? he sounds Italian. It does. I know it sounds Italian, but I thought I thought he was Spanish. Is he Spanish? I tried so hard. Not to you. It's sorry. I couldn't. It's fine. I'm just going to say he's Italian. All right, fine. We're going with the Knicks. That is our guess. It is not the Nix. Is it the Raptors? It is the Raptors. It is the Raptors. You all want to guess what you here? Oh, okay. We wouldn't have a Turkish teammate. What the fuck will you know? This is the 2012 Raptors. close i'm gonna just give it 2010 rapids that is hito turku lu oh make fucking ah fuck i'm so mad at that damn turquil you got damar at the two chris bosh at the four damn i had no mental recollection of these five players on the same team this from like the year before so i watched basketball for real

if you told me to like i don't even know if i mentally knew that chris bosh and turkul and demar are all in the team in 2010 oh man i think in 2010 chris bosh was the only rapist's play i knew Yeah, that was 10 years old. Yeah. And, you know, when you go back and you research all these areas and learning things about basketball, you skip over the 2010 Raptors. You fly over that state. Sounds a he do, man. I think Bariani was Spanish.

That's a very aggressively Italian. Yeah, I know. We were dancing around Bariani. He's at a hunch? Let's unpack that. What does it impact? Tell me. Why do you think he's a Spanish man?

I don't know. For some reason, I just thought that he was Spanish. Hell yeah. I mean, but he's, he's over there. What was that? He's over there. Oh, okay. There you go.

One more time. Next thing we were going to do. Last week, we did a thing where we picked the five teams we would most like to see LeBron James play for next year. Let's do that again with Janice. Who are the five teams that you would most want to see Janus play for in 2026? Number one, I want to see him play for the Timber Rules. I need to see Smash.

mile with basketball in the West. I need another competitor to Wemby. I need Anthony Edwards to be freed from the shackles of Julius Randall. Put him next to the honest. That probably is the best duo we could create, right? Because we're not going to put him with Luca. That's probably not realistic. We can't put him with Wemby or Shea probably.

And that's the best player we're going to be honest with. She's still on the table. All right. Maybe we can get crazy. But I think I agree Timber was one. That's the most fun outcome for us. And probably the best for him. You're going to alleviate some of that pressure with Ant taking a lot of shots.

Hell yeah. Good for his longevity. Yeah, he's not. It's not moving far either. That's pretty solid. Yeah. Then we got a ship Gobert out, though, probably. I see it.

I mean, he can go for third places. But, okay. Yeah, Minnesota's one. Honestly, I really don't care where he may. I don't know if I have. I don't see fuck this game. He can retire, honestly. Low key, because, like, I don't want him.

I don't want to see him on the, I don't want to see him on the Celtics. Why not? Celtics are too I would love to see him and Tatum together Oh 100%. Do you think I want to see the Celtics up? Well, history says

Getting Yonis doesn't make you automatically up these days So I don't know if they're going to be too high up For the sole purpose of putting pressure on the Celtics To win a title? Okay, fine. Yeah, let's put the pressure on them. All right. Let's make Bill Simmons sweat.

Will you fail again? Because if you do fail with Tatum and Yannis, you can't come back for that. We're from Missoula. I already told you all this. I was getting going to get ready. There's a plan. I do these Celtics too.

Having Tadem and Celtics, having Janus with a coach that maximizes spacing so well, he'd make Yannis eat. He'd make Yon to shoot three. Tadon could be the psychic. He was always meant to be. He's meant to be Scottie Pippin. You agree? Whatever gets us a ring. I don't care. My team guy. Those are rare these days. That's true.

Fair. That is true. Fair. Damn, J.B. Do we want to see him go to Cleveland for Effie Mowlob? Fuck, no. Hell no. I don't want to see him in Cleveland at all. play. Hell no. Okay.

Not on the list. New York Knicks. If they fail, let's say they lose the conference finals, which are going on right now. You got to mix some shit up. Do you want to see Yonis there?

You can convince me. Apparently, rumors are that he considered he liked going to the Knicks last summer. That would be tough. He's open-minded to the big Apple. Him and Brunson, just like an insane

isolation, isolation duo that you can't fucking stop. You're trying to step into that big market like LeBron in 2018, trying to be a business mogul, be a space sham three. In order to do that, you have to win a ring

to step in, to shoes like that. He was filming Space Jam before 2020. He won the ring. Okay. Fair. You got it.

So do you want to see him on the Knicks? If you flame out in the playoffs. If we flame out, sure. Okay. New York Knicks number three. Make it happen. They surely probably wouldn't work, but it would be fun.

Yeah. They're not winning nothing, but it would be fun. You're right. Do you want to see any of the fan favorite ones? Do you want to see Spurs, Thunder, or Lakers? No, I don't.

Period. Can I interest y'all? Spurs is interesting, obviously, but keep them over there. We're just talking fan fiction? We are. Can't interest y'all in the Charlotte Hornets? No.

That'll be fun as hell. Yo, he would bash his head into a wall, but it would be a little bit sometimes. You can't entertain me on that. Yeah, plus they'd have to get rid of Brandon Miller, too, or something like that. For Yannis? Miami?

They're always, they're always, they're going to. No, no, no, no, no. Well, Yonnas and Bam together? Please, it's no offense to BAM, but I don't want to see them get any. He colds. That's a stretch big next to Yonis. That defense is crazy.

I hate the heat. I hate the heat. Yannis might make me not hate the heat. They're going to be out there filming training montages. God stop flipping tires every day. They'll keep it on as healthy. They'll make it work out. Crazy world.

What if the Detroit Pissons enter these soup stakes? I got another shooter, another not shooter? Yeah, somehow, some way. The guy that means probably got like trade some of their non- shooters now. Trade Asar, maybe Duran too. Yeah. Yeah. Sarr can go.

Whoever else you want to match a salary. A Sark can go. A Sark can go. He can go. can definitely go. I love him, but... You don't love him. Not more than Yonis. Sorry.

No, I'm choosing out. I'm keeping it sorry. Wow. Okay, what about? Yonest and Golden State. That would move me. I ain't gonna lie. That should be on the list. Nah. What? Nothing about Golden State lose me these days. What? No more. All right. Let's get serious. Yonis and Yonkers play together in Denver.

Then what? Yeah, right. What a way to combat, Wemby. Fuck. That's tough. That's a lot. No assets. It doesn't matter. If Yonis and Yonkers play together and when we still wins, fine. You have to go in that moment. No, no rings needed, by the way.

That could be a first round series. He's the goat. We have three practical teams. Oh, no, let's go four. Let's go Orlando Magic. Let's do the Palo for Yon to swap. Yonis swap. Y'all keep saying that.

I don't like that. I don't like it. It's smart. I'm saying teams now. You're not going to like any of these teams. You just hate half the league. That doesn't mean it makes it a bad Yon's destiny. He just wanted to stay in Milwaukee.

No, I don't. I don't. You hate Johnnus and everything he touches. That's funny. We got two spots left. The first three options you could talk to me in two. Okay, okay. If you had to watch two that you'd hate, what would they be?

Ooh, you know, it would be fun, but also kind of weird because there was a rivalry for a second. How would Yonis look like on the Pacers? I wouldn't even know how they'd be getting to get that done. They just lost number four. See, Akum. Dumbies, man. Another future pick. I can't believe they did that.

They walk away for it with nothing. That's great. Do we just wrap it up and go Miami and Orlando as realistic opportunities? Just put Miami on the list. Miami's Ford. They're always going to be in the mix. Yeah, they're always in the mix. They love it.

They just be the mix the whole time. They're always outside. Dallas, what are you prepared to do? They love the mix. To Dallas? What are you prepared to do? Oh, no. My side is too.

It's too much. He love him. Fucking number five spurs. We flip the inner fox and the rest of our picks. We get Janus. We never lose again. Would you rather see him in OKC or in San Antonio? San Antonio 100%.

When being Janus would be the greatest deal I've ever seen. Yeah. So let's go Spurs for fan fiction purposes of five. Okay. I like that. And there we are. Miami. I'm so sick of it.

I would like him a band together though. I got ironically. It would be nice. That's one of the duos that moves me more than most. Miami just feels so like I've been waiting on them to make a move for the longest. And now that they haven't at all, It's just like prehistoric in my mind. I just wanted to.

Retire, Pat. Yeah. All right. Next thing we're going to do. Facts. We are going to see a series of NBA categories and we have to make the Mount Rushmore of that category. Beesoles had, I think, eight of them for us.

We got to decide of all the players across NBA history, across these eras that we're talking about. Who deserves me on Mount Rushmore for their accomplishments, for what they did in that era, for how good they were, whatever might mean. All right. First category, 2,000 stars.

Mm. Okay. players who define the 2000s. A lot of superstars. Kobe is won. Nebraska. Kobe five championships in the decade. Got to be on there.

Yeah, Kobe's there. Has to be there. Does that mean Shaq has to be there too? Four championships in a decade. At his peak, one of the greatest players of all time in this decade. Okay. We're firing this off kind of fast. He's going to fill up quick. Because Tim Duncan's right there too.

That means Duncan has to be there too. That's a Mount Rushmore. They both dominated the 2000. Yeah, those two teams. Now, here's the fucking 14 rings between them? Yeah. Now 13. F4, honestly,

is Steve Nash in there. Two MVP's. LeBron's multiple MVP's too in this decade. Yes, at the very end. Yeah. At the tail end of the decade, made of finals.

Made it finals. It was the best player on paper. Like, you were talking about just peaks. 2009 LeBron's best player we could pick here. But Kevin Garnett doesn't ring this decade in a lot of good years. Dirk has a finals appearance,

has some MVPs. If 2011 was in this decade, you could have gone Dirk. But that happened the next decade. Exactly. So it's either, KG has the MVP and he has the ring in O.A. Who else has that combination of both those things? There's really, really nobody.

Because D-Wade missed out on the MVP. But MVP caliber years. I think we could still consider D-Wade, the 2006 championship rings. So we have D-Wade, we have Braun, we have KG. I think those three should be fighting for the last spot here. Now my question to you is if you pulled a mirror and you looked at yourself, you examined every part of your face, Looking to both eyes, looking to your nose, looking to all your pores, looked into all your hairs on your head, your eyebrows.

And you said, I'm going to leave LeBron James off this list. Would you go to sleep well tonight? I'd sleep perfectly. No, you would not. I'd sleep perfect. I slept great last night, too. He said, I hate on LeBron yesterday, too. He said, I hate on LeBron every day.

I sleep like a baby. You put LeBron here for sure. Yeah, I don't have intomnia. I'm fine. But we can take Brian. Who would you take? KG or Dway, then? I think I would take KG

Oh yeah, who's first cut? KJ or D Wade? I think Or Steve Nash I think Wade is first cut not including Steve Nash I think Wade is first cut

just because KG did get the MVP So I would give him that nod Okay What that means KG would be first cut then No I'm giving KG the not On yeah Oh you're saying since we're taking

Yeah Number five Okay okay got you So KG would be the fifth option Yeah That makes sense. Okay. That's a pretty easy one to do.

There's three players that want on the championships, and then the greatest player of all time, greatest peak of all time. Makes sense. DeWei was on the Redeemed team two, though. Does that matter? I think it does matter. Are you going to kick off LeBron?

No. No, I mean, they were both on the redeem team for the first cut. Yeah, I'm not sure. Gotcha, got you. All right. The MVP I weighs it, though. You're right. Next category.

2010 stars. Lebron. Is this easier than 2000s? Yes, Lebron and Curry. Lebron and Curry. Lebron and Curry. Lebron Curry, KD. are hands down on there.

KD for sure. I think KD got to be on there. Katie is a must. Couple championships. What if I want to hate? Then what? And say what? James Hardin.

I can't even say that. I can't even laugh. I can't say it with a straight face. Oh my gosh. I can't even sland a baby. Listen, James can be four. Yeah. He can be four,

but he's not over here. He's not overcame. He's not over key. James. James. So James Hardy obviously has one of the high speaks. MVP, multiple runner-ups and MVP's. Yeah.

Kauai has two rings. Yeah, I know. Kauai's two finals MVP. He's not the, he's not the star, though, that James was. For the latter half he was. Second MVP in 2016. Won the championship of 2019. We were calling him best player in the world in the decade.

James Hardin was six-man. MVP had made a finals with OKC at this point. Of course. A ton of the playoffs. But also revolutionized the game more so than Kauai did. Throwing another name in there, Russell Westbrook. No. Salute to Rush.

A smooth number six. Yeah, there's different caliber. I do think, I think Hardin should be above, above Kauai. In terms of defining the decade, he should be up there. Throwing another name, Chris Ball? No, I'm sorry, man. I'm glad you said his name. We don't got to say it again.

Yes. Damn. But I appreciate you saying things. I like the guy a lot. Yeah. I mean, define the decade of individual player is a, there's a valid Katie, Carrin arguments. I think two championships defines the NBA defines the decade.

does. I think being the greatest perimeter defender we've seen in modern NBA history and then transitioning to being a superstar and carrying a team has never been in the final

it's never wanted championship before giving them that ring that defines a decade. He had multiple he had multiple seasons that were just missed and gone. True. I think he wasn't

he wasn't even Kawai. He's 2018. I think that's only one in this decade. That he missed? Yeah, right? No, he missed a couple. Which one do you miss? He missed, so he missed the one.

I'm I'm lumping this in in terms of like He missed the season then he had a couple where he like wasn't kawai yet Where he was did he? No there he just missed that one I'm saying I'm saying I'm saying where he wasn't kawai like he had I know what you're saying But I think in 2010 there really wasn't that much that's a much that's when he when he came in to the league though He came in 2011 2011 he came in 2011 He had a few years developing then in 14 he was ready to make that leave one final So it's three years that are basically a wash because he's not really kawai sure but james hardin wasn't

James Harden until 1415. He's still on the map, though. He's still getting like the... Kauai got two DPO-wise. I completely forget about that. Two DPO-wise. Oh, sorry, not two DPO-O-wise. He was on Divens to play the year first scene.

And then he also has one DPR on. Yeah. I was going to run with you as in a briefing? Yeah. I didn't think about it all just repeated you. Misinformation. Oh, hell yeah. Two DPO-wise.

That is how it starts. I think, I think Hardin. I think he should be there. Mo, you're the deciding factor. I lie. He has two DPO-wise. It's Quai. Okay.

Yeah. The whole league plays like, tries to play like Hardin. And none of them win championships. Yeah. You don't like to impact the Hardin. Why are you, like, you don't like it.

I don't like it, but it happened. So do Kauai. Yeah, I'm going with Kauai. That's what we're going. I disagree. I know.

I know it's debatable. I love Hardin. I know it's debatable. But for Mount Rushmore, I feel like you have to go accomplishments above all, right? Yeah. And the caliber of player isn't that far off.

Hardin was number two in MVP in 2016, right behind Curry. And then he also had another year right after that where he finished top three. Yeah, 192. And 17 was when Kuwait was second MVP behind Russ. But it doesn't matter. Like, even before, like in the 2000s, we were giving KG a nod because he had actually like did the thing and one MVP. We gave him that nod. The fact that Hardin actually won that, I feel like that trumps the like one MVP.

I would rather have like one MVP over two DPOIs. You'd rather have one MVP over two rings. two finals, MVP's. I'm saying in terms of... But that's a conflict. I'm saying just MVP to DP-WI and the fact that you actually were the best player in the league at it at a time.

I understand what you're saying, but you're using Hardin's most popular accomplishment against Kauai's second best accomplishment. The best accomplishment is he took the Raptors to the finals and won finals MVP and was the best player in the world. That's what you compared the MVP to, and I'd rather have Kauai's. So would you.

In that, in that instance, I think, though, again, I think the fact that everybody takes stepbacks all the time. That's true. I think that the fact that we have some some validating in the league's DNA right now, I think that that's Hardin.

I think in like a influential sense or whatever, Hardin definitely has that and that's, I think that should be a part of the conversation. But Kauai just has too much in his trophy case to point towards and like too many, like the most respectable things in the league that he did that three times, right? Like it's not a conversation or not a deep conversation for me.

It's a combo for me, but I do not go, end of the day, winning rings is the most important thing. If everybody's so close in terms of caliber player, this guy has done it twice, which let me say done it once to not put too much gas on 2014, which sometimes people will do. Yeah.

2019 happened. Yeah. Wow. That's easily one of the more impressive rings, too. All right. Next. Is it? 2020 stars.

Six years in, who defines his decade so far? Yokich. Multiple MVP's a ring. Shea. Multiple MVP's a ring. I mean, those are five of the MVPs already. Yep. And those are the only two.

guys I can say that multiple MVP's in a ring. Janus doesn't have MVP's in his decade, but he has a ring, and he's still been a top-try player for most of a decade besides the injuries. He doesn't have MVP in this decade? Nope, it was 19 and 20. Oh, oh.

I mean, yeah, 19 and 20. Which I guess, it's always great if people count 20 as being like the end of the last decade of beginning of this one. But let's count 20 as this decade, just for clarity's sake. That's always a semantic argument. So Janus has one MVP,

2020, and 2021 championship. That means all. It hasn't been in the playoffs. Yeah, a lot of years. For the last couple years. But he probably still deserves it, right? He's been a top three player consistently. You can have conversations about this year, which is fair.

But he's been a top three player, peak of his power still this year. And bro, looking at his basketball records and the scene consists of 20, like 30, 30, 28, 29 points for game, 60% shooting from the field. This was his most efficient year also, too, which is like no one cares about because he didn't play in all that drama. But I think he belongs up there just from a sheer. talent aspect of things. And yeah,

he got a ring to. Is, okay, so the four players that I'm thinking, I'm thinking Luca is in consideration. I'm thinking

Embed is in the conversation. I think, I think Tatum potentially is in the conversation. He has a ring, two finals appearances. He's won every single year of this decade.

I think those three are in the conversation. I think Wembe's in the conversation. Already? Come on now. We're recording this on May 21st. If you watch this on August 1st and Wembe has a ring and a finals of EPP, which is very possible,

maybe Wimby would get here. We're not time travelers, so we can't put Wembe yet, but we're two months away from putting Wembe on this list. He's on the conversation. He's on the cusp. I think we have to go Yonis.

And from what you laid out, I kind of think Tatum has a better argument than him beat in Luka. Yeah, I think Tatum is a better argument, sure, than he beat in Luka. Like when you're just the guy that if you're on this team, you're going to win games,

and you've done nothing but produce, multiple first team, all NBA seasons, two finals appearances to Lucas won. You got the ring for one of them? The convoy would just be, do you think Luca is so much better than him that he has to get there regardless because Luca also made a finals?

He made a finals. You're right. Luca just doesn't have much to show for outside of like beard grown, weight gain, weight loss. Now he's a late game. Well, is that because of him or because he's not a Celtic? Because he's meaningfully better than Tatum.

He is. But when it comes to like talking about, how his career has went and how things are just like went it feels like things that went the wrong way more than it has gone the right way as well also fair or not I did beat you in the finals like that

fair I do have the head-to-head matches like I will forever know in my life that Tatum's never been better than a day in his life never a day there's been a day there's been a day not really

there's been one day game six Game 6, Tatum on the road, man. As an individual player, it's not better. So that makes me feel like I should want to, I do want to put Luke up there. Yeah, what do we do with this one? Luke is so much better to a point where it's,

there's an argument. The gap in skills is enough to make up for the gap in accomplishments when we consider the team environments they're in. This is a real 50-50 debate to me. Does the, is the run to the finals enough? Loki, it's a great run. And especially since Tatum doesn't have an MVP. Is that okay?

Can Curry enter these conversations? But Luke does an MVP either. Can Curry into the conversation? Nah. Unfortunately. That's a champion too. He does. There's a lot of wasted years.

A lot of missing the playoffs. Yeah, you can't be doing that. I'm missing a year for injury. So Luca has a conference finals run and a playoff and a finals run. And he was a demon in all those. That matters. Consistently playoff performances, Luca has been much better.

Tatum has a ring and another finals appearance. No finals MVP. Give it to Luca. Ooh. You got there for what? Yeah, man. You weren't the best part of your team when you won a championship.

Give it to Luca. What do you want to do? Donovan, Final call, Luca or Tatum. Gun to your head, Luca Tatum. One family is screaming at you either way. Whose side are you taking? I'm sorry, Tatum. Yeah.

You put to Luca? We'll pray Luca. Oh, Lucas on our Mount Rushmore. Ah! Damn it! Yeah. I almost got there, y'all. It's fine, because this is a whole debate

that won't matter in two months and Wemby takes a spot. That's also a fair. Just waiting. I really want to put Wendy. We're just talking to talk. This is a Wendy spots. AJ?

No, let me check. All right. Most hated. Mm. Rudy Gobert. Most hate it all time. All time.

All time. All time. All time. All time. We're hated players. Let's think carefully first. Generations of people hate Gobert. Fair.

Gobert's on the list, but let's think carefully. There's some layoffs. LeBron's on here. Yeah, for sure. Lebron's. Do you want to put a nasty mail here? Because notice,

the general public doesn't. and they hate them like they should. Because they don't know. They don't know. The internet knows. But he's not on the list. He's not on the list. He's not on the list.

He's not on the list. He's not not for sure. But LeBron's definitely on here. Yeah. LeBron could put him at number one. Yeah, LeBron's clearly him the foremost hated players of all time. Jordan is not.

Kobe is not. Shack is not. Lebron. Kobe might. Nah. People are starting to. People are starting to criticize. They're not starting to hate.

Peak of his powers. He wasn't mad to hate it. Who? Kobe, peak of his powers Sure, but top four all time Like he was hated But like Mount Rushmore Yeah, maybe he's not

Mount Rushmore I think he does get more love than eight Yeah We can say he was hated It's like a part of like nuance 40 battle But yeah but not Mount Rushmore level eight Yeah I don't know if any of the star

Is on here like all time players I'm not gonna lie Russell Westbrook Nah I see what your coach Too many old players respect him I see what you're cooking I think he's on like

he's like now arc but all time peak of his powers even when he was on the Lakers Yeah I don't think But to be about Rushmore LeBron's on there because they hate was so crazy Because he's so popular There's three other players that are just straight up hated

Without the lover rust though We can get to some guys that people just despise Without the upside of the fans Yeah because with Russ it's a lot of like You get the criticism but also at the same time Everyone's like but he plays harder than anybody on the floor Like you have to respect that part So I don't think he's top four

You think KD does there's a spot here? If we're going to be real modern oriented, maybe. Yeah. People really don't like with the 20. We're going to the Warriors. People don't like them. Now they burn your stuff. Katie's up there.

Okay. So are we going to do like you said Gobert earlier? Are we can do some guys in the bad boy pistons? Are we going to do Rodman? Are we going to do, what's a white center's name again? Lambere. Are we do Lambere?

Bill Lambier is super fucking hated. He is. I feel like we can skew a little bit modern on this one. because even yeah even all time like is what hated like that like it's tough because the internet amplifies things so much so the guys that are hated now feel super hated because in the 80s there wasn't Twitter trolls all over the place screaming bill lambere should die but if there was they would be saying that so I think we go lamb beer honestly yeah sir lamb beer was not he wasn't selling parley's yeah exactly but I think Kevin Durant could be on there potentially if you want to

do another star for sure I think the type of backlash that he got I remember literally it was like I think it was July 6th, 2020, bro. It feels like a, 4th July, 20, I say 2020, 2016. It feels like a national tragedy, bro. I remember like Stephen A. Smith was on ESVN talking about something. I had to leave my vacation. That's the weakest move by a superstar in NBA history. Yeah, bro, I think that the thing belongs there for sure.

He used to leave his vacation all the time. He loves these vacations, he's dramatic. Y'all remember where y'all were? Yeah, I do. When the KD thing was announced? Yeah. My dad was teaching me out of drugs. was in the school parking lot

dad mind you we were hoping Katie went to the Celtics dad dad he went to the Warriors what tough yeah you're about 14 years old or 15

16 you can't be 16 you said you were younger then I'm a 2000's baby it was 2016 I forgot yeah you just sounds like multiple years younger but you're like yeah okay

fair you can't be 16 yeah I was like hold on Okay, so Lambert, Katie, LeBron. I'm second guessing by me. Do you want to go with another... I did.

Let's go. Do you want to go with another true villain or another hated star? We can go with the true villain. Yo, it's Pat Bev on this list? Yo, is Dreymar Green on this list? Yo. Draymond. People are really turned on Dreemann.

He's up there. I'm not going to lie, Pat Beth. Because he's an NBA player that speaks on the game. But whenever he talks, all the NBA legends, not you, though. Not too, Pat Bev. I've never seen anybody be a fan of Pat Bev, too. I think he just has straight haters. He inspires people.

He makes people talk about him just negatively. But Draymond and the screen stuff, though. It's probably Draymond. He has like a 10-minute low-light reel. But is Dr. Joe, Mom were hated to Gobert. Nah, shit. Maybe.

All the old-school players hate Gail-Ber. People don't like Jermon, though. it's either him or go bear who's winning people really didn't like robin at the time before he went to the bulls too he was about to play himself out of the league yeah even even afterwards but people really don't like rodman he went to north korea because they didn't like him in the u.s. they got escorted out you don't just go to north korea that's kind of crazy you don't just do that that's a thing but even i felt like people were like oh well that's weird but they they wouldn't hate him

Yeah, interesting. Yeah, more proud to you. So we're in a relationship, like you and the dictator of North Carolina. Straight decision, but all right. But you know what? We're going to let you rock because you're Dennis Robin and you do those type of things. It's either Draymond or Gobert. It feels so like we're just doing art.

I know. They're what it is. That is what we're doing. All right. Ritty-Go-Barre is. Generations people don't like Rudy-Go-Bare. All right. I wish I could time travel to fuel the hate of 1980.

But I can't. Going Rudy Gobert with this one. Next. Most loved. Other side. Well, Michael Jordan, they were calling him God. They were fainting. For 40 years, people waited in line for his shoes.

Multiple generations of families waiting in line for his shoes. It is Michael Jordan number one. Okay. For sure. I waited in line for shoes. I woke up at 4 a.m. to go get some shoes. Really? I never did that shit.

Do you all think the LeBron Glaze is great enough for him to also be on this list? maybe uh step curry is probably on this list for sure right most love people love the fuck out of step curry i think almost before step i would say kairi or something like that hell not kairi dude the top of 2018 cobi has to be on this list before before karee yeah kairi did way too much and before and before step the people that love karee so love kairi kari did way too much to make himself controversial you put kairi top for i agree way too much i would go kobi Um, yeah, put coffee on there.

Magic feels very loved all time. Magic can be considered. I do think Curry though for this generation, like anybody below the age of 20 adores Curry. And he doesn't really have haters like that. He doesn't really have haters because he was so good and he was doubted and stuff. But like it's not the same as like a LeBron. Bro, back when I was 20, like back when I was 16, 15 years old, I was banging out of

Fuckstaff Curry remix. Yeah, because he's being LeBron. You're a LeBron's dad. Well, let's see more over that. Curry's pretty kind of just universally loved. they just unlocked a crazy Yeah What do you remember

I mean he would just have a bad game And I would just go on Twitter And it would be there I'd be like no Turn it off Yeah I The way Curry has a stranglehold On the generation of kids

Is very Jordanesque Yeah Okay You want to put Curry on there You put Curry Okay Last spot Magic

Bill Russell Who hates Bill Russell? Bill Russell Yeah they were That's cheating You're cheating That's not He's not cheating.

He's an activist. Of course you know he booed Russell. He was out here, Martin. Okay. What's there to hey? Oh, you know what? Who am I to say boo Russell? Yeah.

I dare you. I guess we got to, boom, moo. How dare you? Twist my arm now. Come on now. What am I for to say? I don't know. I can't put the name on here.

We should. You can't, but like that means we also have to. Yeah. So there you go. Butler also number four. Walking away with something. You're walking away with something. You're walking away with something.

you're fighting dirty how's he fighting dirty yeah explain that one when you put someone but yeah what's he doing would you put someone

who's not alive I cannot say man oh no he said you pulled the race card and the dead card you know what I'm gonna say bro they retired his fucking number from the NBA

yeah I can't argue for a LeBron James now. I got to say bet. Hell yeah. Next. Draft bust. It's getting negative.

Oh. The greatest of all time is tough. Because there's a lot of them. I feel like Kwame is like the poster boy. For sure. He deserves to be. But he had a long career.

A lot of these guys didn't have long careers. Like Anthony Bennett didn't have a long career. You can still be in the league and still be a bust. But there's at least four who did not have long careers and they were bust. Bennett is up there. Anthony Bennett is clear. One. Yeah, for sure.

He's one. Like, he has to be the first spot. Yeah, yeah. And it busts is the right word because, like, it can't be bad picks, you know, because like Bagley shouldn't have been the pickover, Luka, Bowie shouldn't have been the pickover Jordan, but they're not bust like that. What are you giggling at? Nothing.

Don't worry about it. So, want me say that again? No, no, no. You're just, bust. Okay. I know you like to. Don't put that on me. You're the one that giggled.

Everyone heard in the mic. you put it on you Anthony Bennett Okay, keep going Let's keep potty Let's keep potty Dude, there's got to be All-Namore about picks

I think it's They don't have to be now Oh, then Darko's up here Yeah, darkos up there Darko wasn't good Didn't do much And went above Hall of Famers Yeah

Okay How do you feel about Markle Fultz? I don't think Mount Rushmore I mean, unfortunate But like I don't think Mount Rushmore

Yeah, okay I'd put James Wiseman before I put Markle Fultz just because bus also implies expectations and it's not his fault had a lot of expectations that's the thing

that's where that's like kind of losing argument right there no it's not there's not there's not a argument at all because expectations you're supposed to be the next guy to help a dynasty continue to have a top foremost love player

of all time continue his run unfair expectations are put on him for needing to be the guy to elevate to the next era didn't do it I mean is it unfair you're the number two overall pick I mean sure sure but he had to play like the number of

zero pick. It had to be like a bull number one. He had to be God. There's an easy modern day pick for this one. Who we missing? Big Zach.

Is he in the clock? Hey, man. The whole draft class stinks, man. Big Zach might get there eventually. He might prove to be Anthony Bennett.

We got to give him like 18 more months. Yeah, like a year or two. He's not Anthony Bennett. I disagree. He's a productive player. He got picked. Look at his stats.

Where do you mean? Yeah, we're like eight, nine points. And it's like a decently efficient. Doug, he was benched after three minutes in the playoffs. We have a nitwit of a coach. You're right? Those things are true. Your coach is not shittier than Zach and Richieh's say is unproductive.

Put Big Zach on the list. Now, you're just doing that now just to do it. You don't even believe in that. Unless you're crossed the bear and Reese Tshay's crossed the bear. He's not my. He can look at you and say it's your fault. He's not my. He's the best player here.

Okay. Is he? Yes, he is. Then Anthony Bennett? He's not. He's not Darko. Cut out of it. He's not Adam Morrison.

Bro. Darko put him in a blender. Darko would. Yeah. Also, for some reason, also just in my mind, Josh Jackson is a massive draft. Dude, you always mentioned it. I used to be a big guy together.

The way they were talking about. The Kauai Combs, I remember. The way they were talking about Josh Jackson. Yeah. They was like, he's the safest pick. He's like, I can't believe he's going at four. This is a multiple time. All-Star, all NBA player.

He's going to change the league that or that. did nothing. Like, I look at him and I'm so disgusting. Yeah, thank God I wasn't the Seltics GM because I was a Josh Jackson over Tatum guy. Is it fair to put Brett Golden here or now? Low key, it's not really his fault because of injuries, but he was supposed to be

a superstar. You're supposed to be the one. I don't know if it's fair, though. I feel like it really, I do feel like Kualmi should be up here just because Kami's in the conversation. Hishim's the beat. No, I think Kwa. Put the beat up there. But the beat, I think there's people at a time that probably would have told you

What was he picked that? Number two. But there are some people that probably would have told you like, hey, it's a bad pick. That even then. I think we got to pick somebody who was like viewed as can't miss.

Which that lends to Kwame more than that, I think. What about Aiton, man? Or Zion shit. Or is that too much. That was all the size too much. Yeah, he got a bus. Greg Oden is a what if though.

So do you want to put a what if on this list? Or bust is pretty aggressive. No, I need to know you're bad. Hey, Kwamey, Brown. Welcome to our list. Walking to my Rushmore. And what we got to do. Klamy has the cultural impact of being a bust.

Everybody talks about it. It references him and it pisses him off. So, like, he embodies bust. It's his reputation. Definitely Klami. There's some deep cuts on here. Michael Oloa Kandi. Oh,

Al-A-Wil-A-Kandy is out there. Listen, Kramer's going to see this. We're going to get 15 hot minutes on Instagram live. He was firing off in his truck, too. After work, he's like, man, these TDD-D boys are bitches, man. They know nothing. I'm crying laughing

I'm like hell yeah I keep going that would be out to make my fucking day I would love for that to happen to us that be so funny he calls all types of bitches and stuff I would love for a player to be like you can't even hoop you stupid motherfucker that would make my year I would be crying on camera for 30 minutes straight

that'd be so funny should we farm it? Not let me do We can make your dreams come true I'm just saying I'm gonna make a wish kid for hate cut what's wrong with you

you might be taking Don's crown I don't like What an arc man All right Last one on the other side of things draft steals Yoakich Yokic has to be on there

MVP in the second round picks Yeah You're the greatest draft pick of all time Manu Up to another champion in the second round If you get a Hall of Famer in the second round like you're up there.

Yeah. So are we going towards deepest in the draft or like best players taking late? Because like Janus wasn't a lottery pick MVP. That doesn't happen very often. A combination of both. Yeah. I think Janice can definitely be up here. You know what else makes it tough?

Like Shea was like a 13th pick. So he's not that far away. But Janus was a 15th pick non-lottery in a terrible draft too. Yeah. So we took 14 players that had no business going top to an normal drafts over you. Yeah. Yonis might have to be on here. Yonis for sure.

He's there. We were just taking bodies over Yonnet. Okay. And so Manu's second round, one-time All-Star, champion. Champion. If that's the case, there's Drummond Green had to be on here, too, if Mono's on here? I think so. We're setting that precedent.

Multiple. I mean, he's a foundational piece to a dynasty. Yeah, All-Star, DPOI. He definitely should be up here. He should be in practice, yeah. But do I want to put him up here? If there's better players potentially here. He's a Hall of Fame.

What do we do with Kobe going at 13? 13's a lot deep, bro. 13's deep. Jimmy Butler's at 30? I think I almost would rather believe. You want to swap Manu for Kobe? If that's the case, then yeah. Okay, yeah, if we're going to do that,

if you're an MVP and you're going 13 or lower, you're on our list. Actually, no, because Jay has to be on here. Not going to lie. The goat at three is kind of great. The goat. Not really. Michael Jordan at three. Oh,

yeah. No, no, no. That's not that. Not really. I mean, Hakeem went one. Yeah.

That's not like you're going. Now we're looking at one idiot. Trailblazers. And the rocket's uneven idiots. Yeah, I'm saying Joevarez. One idiot.

Yeah. All right. You all want to switch Manu and Janus? No, put Kobe. So we're doing Kobe. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. Getting a five-time champ at 13. So then, then I think the conversation becomes Monu versus Drayman. Oof. That's going to piss people off. If we didn't even, if we entertained.

If we entertain Dremong Green over Moni, they're going to get pitchforks. Yeah. You guess what I'm entertaining? Guess we get skewered? No, man. Give me. Give me that. Farming.

I guess it asked me, though, just because he actually made, oh, no, Dreamer made All-Stars, too. Yeah. He did. How did we decide this? Does anybody have a quarter? Can we flip a coin? I don't have a quarter, man. Pull out your phone.

I have cash these days, man. can flip a coin on your phone yeah just tell sir to flip that rock paper scissors I got draymond you got moni all right two out of three hell in a cell two out of three rock paper scissors shoot rock paper scissors shoot I got one rock paper scissors shoot I got two drum on green is the fourth biggest draft steel you went scissors back to back hmm you went scissors back to back I was and I was trying to bro and I got him in a blunders I got him to fucking phone booth scissors back to back oh you pissed me off right oh no not Now he wants for a definite.

Let's go. No. Come on. No, you're talking. Let's go. All right. Two out of three. Okay.

All right. Paper says shoot. Hey, hey, hey, hey, two and three. Come on. He was saying again. I saw. I saw the play. All right.

All right. All right. All right. All right. I told you. I was trying something. You can't even play the game. You just ruled my second.

That's all, man. All right. He was one time. All right. You jump as hell All right, bro so get this pussy a chucked out All right, man

How do you pick his sister? You got it You got it. You got it. You got it. You got it. You got it. Ah, man.

That was an embarrassing outing, Mo. You said what? That was an embarrassing outing. Oh wow. He got it. That was the last one, by the way. Oh, my gosh.

Oh, my gosh. Last thing we're going to do today. We are going to play NBA, who am I, the game where we put our little things on our head. We put an image on our little things, and we should I take turns guessing who we have in front of us. And what we're going to do today is we're going to play NBA Who Am I with NBA events. All of us have two pieces of paper. close your eyes put the first one on your head see if you can guess the event on your head

normally we do players but this time it makes it up a little bit all right so we all have events things that happen and some of them might look like people but we're going to try to guess that specific event so like that day this thing happened damn okay

Donovan you go first okay um is my event draft lottery related no it is not draft lottery related no it is not it's super not that Is my event a playoff moment?

No. Nope. Hell nah. So, okay, so regular season moment. Did an all-time great player, let's say top 30, participate in this event? Nope. Fuck now. Also, somebody bad.

Is this like Cory Brewers scoring 50? No, that's a funny guess, but no. Does this have to do with somebody scoring a lot of points? It is not. Nope. I'll tell you something. This is not a regular season event. not a regular season event

doesn't have to do with the playoffs doesn't have to do with draft lottery this is an NBA Twitter event sort of but you're talking about platforms I'm talking about time periods so it's an offseason event this is an off season events

oh my God okay off season event not a top 30 player and you were right to point out Twitter you were Twitter was active the day this happened Twitter was on Twitter for sure okay it was a good day

I don't I can remember if this happened during the off season Did somebody get exposed? That's a funny question. Loaded question. And like, yes, but that's not this event. But this is not an exposing moment, but it aligns with something else I was exposed

that made this event funny. Yeah, it makes sense. It makes so much sense. Yeah. So like a secret came to life? I would say the person, when they did this, thing, it looks like they have some secrets just off the look of this event.

It alluded to a bunch of things. Let's say that. Confirms everything. He threw a lot of jokes. Yeah. And everybody felt need to... Yep. Does this have to do with anybody gaining weight? You keep dancing around, you like, no. No, but also like, kind of.

This applies to that person. But no, this event is not about weight. It's not about weight. All right. So we're taking Zion and look out the, out the equation. It's not about weight. So this is that to... So this event is not about weight. Yeah.

Is this, just like an actual scandal or no? No, no, it's not a scandal at all. It's just a funny. It's a funny moment. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Not a scandal. He didn't do, he did nothing wrong, but also kind of looks like he did everything wrong. I'm so lost.

Okay, so the player, the player that was involved in this, is it a current player? Yes. And also I told you, you realized it's an off-season event. Yeah. Think about things that happen in the off-season every year. Things that happen in the off-season. People obviously- on the calendar the NBA players have to do.

Is this a media day thing? Yes. Yes. This is a media day thing. Okay. Media day thing. Active player. Not like a top 30 player of all times.

Super hell known to that. That was crazy. True. No, he's right. He's nowhere close. He's right. I don't know why he'd say it again. Does he have to do with like Paul George or something?

No, not Paul George. But you know, it's a media day event. It's a media day event. And it's a moment that was funny on Twitter And the event we're looking at Said a lot about the person And the line with jokes Yeah

When it comes to like scandals and shit It's like ah Yeah that makes sense Yeah I wish this picture wasn't out You wish this picture wasn't out Oh he told him it's a picture I'm still I'm still most

It's a picture It's a funny picture It's a funny picture Is the person like washed though No Or not not not Not wash but he's not playing as well as he once did Yeah

not playing as well as he wants to And this picture illuminates things about his personality And assumptions that people make about his personality Is it like John Morant? No you're close You're close. Mega close So the closest person of John Moran.

Zion? Yeah, Zion. Can you guess what picture? Which event is it? Which media event is it of Zion? Oh my goodness It had to be one where he was like

It's not necessarily about about weight But like there's one where he had like a goatee or something Before then. You don't remember. events? No, I don't. Famous media day picture of Zion. I am so long.

We talked about it semi-re recently. I am so-lo I'm sure and look at that picture. He said that looks like Mo. What the fuck? Yeah, yeah.

Oh, we had the beer? When he came out with the beer? Not with the beer? When he was looking down. Yeah. Looking down. He's smirking on DVD. There's nothing like me.

In that picture. This is that media day. That was immediate day. I forget that was in a media day. I never knew this was immediate. I don't know when he took this picture. He thought it was a selfie? You imagine?

Honestly, honestly, I would believe this is a selfie. This was the Snapchat's being looking for me? I would believe this was a selfie more than immediate a picture. Yeah, he was risen up that camera person. Yeah. That would not surprise me at all. That's not just being a crib in his uniform. I think it's, um, is mocking out people.

Is my NBA event a game? No. No. Is my NBA event funny? Yes. Yeah. Okay. Is my NBA event hilarious?

Yeah. Okay. Does my NBA event, uh, what's the way about my boy king? Involve a legend. Uh, dicey. I don't know if people call him a legend. Yeah. Oh, he's a borderline legend?

Yeah. He's a borderline legend? Yes. 100%. There you go. Borderline legend though. Borderline legend. Have we talked about this event on this show?

100%. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Are we talking about it many times?

Yes. Yes. Okay. Non-game borderline legend we talk about a lot. It's very funny. It's hilarious Is this is this event a song? No no okay oh my time I don't we talk about rapping players rap. It's pretty hilarious. Is this NBA event doesn't involve two players? No, no Just one is solo solo solo? The fuck was he on TikTok? Nope no what do you do solo in the NBA? Is this NBA event a video? No no it's not

Damn. What do you do solo in the NBA? Did this NBA event happen in the regular season? It did not. No. Did his NBA event happen in the playoffs? No, it did not. No.

Oh, you said it's not a game. Oh, is this NBA Aussies and activity? It is. Is this Kevin Durant joining the Warriors? No. Oh, wait, you would do. Is this a media day activity? Yes.

Does this NBA activity include fake air? It's not fake. It's real. Yes. Yes. Isn't that fake? Oh, he did it twice. Is this emo Jimmy Butler?

Yes. I thought I was the dreadhead Jimmy Butler. Yeah. This is real hair, man. What? You see the length? What? I'm so glad you had a media thing because I wouldn't have thought about that at all.

All right. You all see it? Mm-hmm. Does this event involve Megastalian? No. No. What? What the hell?

That's not an event? It's a catastrophe. It was an event. It was an event. What a niche, right? That could have been like one thing. He was taking a shot. I was taking a shot.

Does this event involve a guard? No. No. A current player? Yes. Eastern Conference? Okay. Okay, okay.

Most definitely. Did this event break NBA Twitter? Hell yeah. It broke the world. This was a national emergency. People you've never seen talking about basketball, we're talking about basketball this day. He's not lying.

I'm not exaggerating even a little bit. Very true. Could you name a non-basketball creator that said something? That says something about this? Literally everyone did. Probably Joe Budden said something about this. Joe Biden? Yeah.

Joe Biden might have said something about this. Okay. Damn, okay. Does this involve, did I ask if it involved the guard already? You did. You said no. Big man? Yes.

Okay. Not okay. Well, yeah. Yeah, big man. Okay, okay, okay. Um, do I hate this person? Loki. Yeah.

Loki. Does he? I don't know. Yeah. It's not one of, it's not one of your like top tier like nemesis, but he's, he's hated. You shouldn't love him. Maybe. Well, I don't know if you don't hate this guy.

If you look in the eyes, you wouldn't be like, fuck out of my face. But you hate the man that he represents. The man that he represents? Yeah. I don't know what that means. You might as to just fry his brain with that. Um, okay, okay, okay, okay. Was this on the record books?

Yes. 100% Well, actually, no. What? Technically no. It's actually not. That gave it away. It's actually not.

It's actually not. It's actually not. It's actually not whatsoever, but we act like it is. That gave it away. It's the BAM 83. Oh, okay. Yes. Not in the blender this time.

It's actually not a record at all. Let's go. The modern NBA days, man. What does that mean? ain't seen before. We got a modern NBA record book. Yes. Kind of.

All right. Post-Wager. Is my event a meme? Yes. That was snipe. It is a meme. Okay. Is this player?

Is it one player or two player? One player. One player. Cool. One player meme. Okay. Is this guy a Hall of Famer? Yes, he is.

Mm. A lot of people I like this guy. Do you like this guy? What's his feel on this guy? I don't know. You can go, he's not one of you, like your favorites of all times.

I think you might not care for this guy very much. Okay, cool. And this guy's a Hall of Famer, right? Yeah, very cool. Interesting. Is he still playing today? No.

No. Hell no. Oh, okay. Is this, is this meme using like a funny way? Yeah. Or is like kind of sad. Well, it's the opposite.

A sad meme? Yeah. Is he washed? Is the player currently washed? Well, he's not playing anymore. Yeah, but it's just like, does this mean, mean washed? No, in the picture you're looking at,

he was at a wash point of his career, I guess that's fair. Okay. Okay, cool. Does this guy have more than three championships? He does. He does. Okay, okay, okay. Is he bald?

No. That player is not bald. Ooh. Fuck. Is he? No. No. This just fuck me up.

You should have not bald. Okay. Sheesh. Not bald. So this is not Celtic Shack. That is Celtic Shack. It is. He's not bald.

He's not bald. He's not bald. He's not bald here, though? No. Yeah, not in the picture. You're lying to me, man. He's a full of hair. This makes this picture even look worse.

He should have went bald. Your moment is the infamous Celtic Shack Media Day. Damn. Oh, we had three media days in the first round. That's funny. Yeah. is insane media is a funny time at round number two everybody has a second picture go ahead you guys do you first i'll watch yep you're good uh it's sideways there you go and you're good

all right this is good yep okay slide this in split it in perfect hey yo what is that is no it's famous all right sit this one out buddy All right, man, you're up next. Perfect. Did the event happen in the regular season? Nope, that is not a regular season. Actually, I don't remember. I actually don't know.

No, I actually have no fucking clue. Did this event happen on social media? No. No. No. No. Is this, did this happen in a post-game press conference? Nope.

Nope. Not a post-game press conference. Don't know if it's regular season. I have no clue. Is this an only? The court event? No, no, it is not. Weird.

Ficiliar? This is a playing event? No, it's not a playoff event? It's not a playoff event? I'll give you a hit. I don't know if it's a regular seasoner playoffs. Yeah, we don't know. I'll give you hit this.

This event occurred before the playing tournament existed. And you also asked about social media. I think this occurred before social media was like super big. Okay, so did this happen before 2010? I actually don't know what exactly the year. but I think so. Let me check. Yeah, I don't know that. Yeah. Does this involve a commercial?

No. Is this moment hilarious? Hell yes. Does it involve a all-time great player? Hell yeah. All-time great player. It's hilarious. Does it have to do with like a studio show? Yes, it does. Correct.

Yeah, warm as a studio show. Is the, is the player making a guest appearance on the studio show? No. Making a guest appearance? No. Yeah. So they're just talking about the player. You are now confusing me.

It's somebody that's always on the show. It's not a guest appearance. This guy is always on the show. You're now confusing me. Okay. Okay. That follow up did not compete for me. So is anybody in this event and were they like an active NBA player at the time?

Nope. Nope. He was retired. At the time, no. Okay. All right, so I'm thinking it's like an inside the NBA. Does this involve Charles Barkley? This does involve Charles Barkley.

All right. Catalog now. Let's run through the greatest cities. Is this him calling San Antonio Women? Nope. Oh, yes. Whoa, it is? It is about that.

Whoa. That's not what's on your head. Is this him double fist and churros? What do you mean? What's that? What? You're like, you know, yeah. Yes, this is him double fist and churos.

What does it look like? He said them big old woman in San Antonio. They're going to both churros. Oh, no. This is him eating a chiro and drinking in shacks soda. Oh. And he was cold with that time.

He's not going to do with that. He's crazy. He's crazy, man. Drinking shat soda. Oh, who went second? Did I go second? I think, yeah, you did. Yeah, you did.

Yeah. Is my NBA events. actually is my NBA event modern yes yes is my NBA event funny no no no it's not funny not funny ain't shit funny about this he shit funny is it sad

somebody died no funny oh I said well you say ain't shit funny like I've got to pay respects it's not funny you do have to pay respect but ain't nothing it's funny it's not funny nobody die but I gotta pay respect have to have to is it well he said nobody died I thought I thought you're describing Kobe's last game

Because I got to pay respects and it's not funny. No. I mean, that wasn't funny. Yeah. I know it's not funny. I know. That's the boys. Getting warmer though.

Magic. Yeah, Kobe's last game. Or what? That's what I'm saying. It's not funny. Is this a crowning achievement? Yeah. Yes.

I respect it because it's really, really good. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. But it's not funny. So nobody. Nobody laughed. Nobody in this room laughed when this happened.

No. No. Nobody's on the butt of a joke? No. No. I find that funny. hard to believe. I'll laugh at a lot of things. This is not something you're laughing. Guaranteed.

That makes it sound like it's a tragedy. Like it's morbid. Like you better not fucking laugh or you're a bad person. Like if you laugh at this, I'd look at you like, you know, what you left? Like something just wrong with you. Like you're not a bad person, but it's just like. No, that's involved though. Yeah.

But again, it's like, why is that reaction the one that you go to in this situation? This is hilarious given what it is. You're going to talk it's so serious. Yes. Like it's Hiroshima. I can't laugh. Like, this is crazy. A-chiff.

It's serious. What do you mean? It's war. Is this the basketball equivalent of war? Yes. Kind of. Is this the finals? Yes.

Is this the 2016 championship? Yes. Sounded like not funny to be. It's not funny. But you dare joke about the bronze legacy. Legacies were defined that day. it's not funny. I knew it had to be

LeBron based on you. I had smirk once. It's weird, but it was out of respect, man. You're turn to be soles. All right. Is my event? Modern. Yeah.

It's modern-ish. Modern-ish, okay. It's not super modern. Yeah. Okay. How old was I when this happened? Nah, too specific. Too specific?

I don't know. Okay, okay. Does it involve Three players? No No, it involves one player It involves one player Okay

Is this guy white? No Is this guy black? Yes Okay Good assumption Solid follow up Could have been

Yamaing I don't know Could have been That's a great reasoning Yeah Yeah could have been one player Jayvian Is this funny?

Yes Yeah, it's hilarious It'd be okay if I laughed at it Yeah, 100%. It would be, honestly, it'd be wrong if you didn't laugh at it. I would accuse you a glazing.

Okay. Is it edgy? No. Nah. Is it edgy? I mean, it's a little bit mean-spirited, I guess? Maybe in like a different time it was edgy, but right now it's just funny.

Is it making fun of someone's characteristic? It's making fun of someone. Not a characteristic. It's not like, it's not an appearance thing or anything. Oh, okay. Is it making fun of like a basketball achievement? No, it's just a moment. Hell not.

It's just a moment. Yeah. Okay, okay, okay. Something they did that was real funny. Okay. Was NBA Twitter going crazy for this? No, it wasn't around. Oh, it wasn't around.

I was going to say no. Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay. Damn, okay. Does it involve the all-time great? Nah. All-time great. Meeks not like he's a top 30 player of all-time. He's not.

Was this player a star when they were in the league, though? Yeah, yes. Okay, multiple-time All-Star? Yes. Okay. So not Pat Bev? Okay, this is also before Twitter. All right.

Not bad, Ben. Was this on TV? Yes. It was on TV. Was it on TNT? No. No. Was it on ESPN?

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Slash no. Yes. Slash no. I don't know what channel was it on.

I have no idea what channel was on. Okay. So not TNT. Actually, no. It wasn't on ESPN. It was. what does that do for you man what's the next question

don't get blocked out it's on TV so I'm trying to narrow down the network yeah okay okay I'll give you a hint it doesn't fucking matter it doesn't matter it actually loki does if you know what you're doing it loki does oh I don't know what I'm doing there

because it wouldn't matter for me is it on NBC? No what the fuck that's all the networks no keep thinking the necks won't help you I promise you but also again it Loki would but if he knew

what he was doing it, Loki would. Just ask different questions. Okay, okay, okay. He doesn't play about his network shit. Oh my God. Oh my God, I'm so boxed. Damn, okay, so it's a star. Y'all say it's a star.

Not an all-time great. I'll say it's an embarrassing moment. Embarrassing moment. Yeah. Maybe it wasn't in the moments, but looking back, it's an embarrassing moment. Can we narrow, was it in the 2000s? Yes.

Yeah. Okay, in the 2000s. Embarrassing moments in the 2000s on TV. Okay, hold, that's all you need. That right there. What did your mind jump to? A shack moment, low key, but it's not that. Not that guy.

Okay. I'd say this guy's more embarrassing. Yeah, this is more embarrassing for sure. And this is a player is an embarrassing player. There's a lot of embarrassing moments. What? Yeah. Deval McGee?

No, no, less embarrassing. No? This is a player that you probably liked as a kid. I probably liked it. Yeah, you probably liked him a lot. Paul Pierce? Yeah. Oh!

When he pooped his pants. Yes This is Fawley This is Fawper's dropping a dump Yeah Fill it up that Mondays The escort it out man On a wheelchair

Still got a ring though I saw what I'm saying That's when you had to know You had to know it was fake Because he came back Immediately hit two three It's like man that knee's fine That shit was crazy

It was not the knee Yeah The network yeah What's the network thing about Yeah Because it was on ABC And so like It would have been

on the finals. Man. I see where you were going on. I would never would have cared about that. I never would have made that connection. I see. You were a captain. All right.

Is my moment? Is it memeable? Hell, fuck yeah. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Big time. It'd be on Twitter heavy. Heavy.

Great. Okay. Is this sad? No, not at all. Not even a little bit. If you cried, I would look at you differently. Yeah, you're weak. Okay, so this is like hysterical.

Oh, hysterical. It's one of the funniest days of my life. And I'm not exaggerating even a little bit when I say that. He's not. And I've had some funny fucking days. He's telling the truth. This is up there. I've had some hilarious days.

Okay, does this involve more than one player? Yes. Yes. Okay, wow, more than one player. Does involve more than two players? Kind of, but in this instance, too. Okay, okay, okay. It involved more than two, but right now it's two.

Okay, sure. Uh, does this, does this happen within the last five years? Yes. Yes. Okay, within the last two years. Nope. Can't know.

Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Okay. So, within last few years, is this, is this guy still playing? Yeah. Yes. Everybody involves still in the league. Well, I don't have everyone involved. These two guys are still in the league. Does it involve a crossover?

No. No. No. Okay. So it's not an, so this is not a like, on the court play. No, it happened on the court. Oh, this happened on the court.

Like the location physically was on a court. Was this a fight? Yes, it is. Correct. It technically happened on the court. Okay, this is a fight that happened on the court. So it means it got to be kind of big. Is this, is this,

Joel and B, is this car in the town is getting sucked out? No. I will say, it's kind of funny how close you just got. Yeah. Okay. Accidentally got real close.

Okay, I have two options here. You're far, but you're close. I have two options here. Is this when B. Stu tried to kill LeBron James? If it's not that. That's a scary moment. Not funny. I didn't cry laughing that day.

I was scared for my king. I thought he was coming out of your house too. Yeah, I thought LeBron was dead. Okay. So does this involve Dremont Green? Hell yeah. Is he fighting Dramon Green? Yeah, bro, he has a catalog of shit.

Now, now, now, now, now, which one of his many, many accolades in the ring? What I say is on the funniest days of my life? Okay, so what helped me a lot was knowing that happened within these last few years. Not specifically, there's still a lot to go through. There's still a lot. I think there's only two things, though, that just like, that broke the internet. That happened. It's when he punched Jordan Poole and also when he choked out Rudy O'Barre.

No love for stomping us a bonus? Fuck, I forgot. He did that too. Oh, my God. Big one. Fuck, this guy's a crew. What is wrong with him? Yo.

Oh, my gosh. Damn. All right, so obviously it's not going to be that. You want to say that. Okay, cool. I think this is him choking out Rudy Go Bear. This is his choked out of Bair. Fuck.

One of the funniest days of all time. They don't understand why he folks need to do that. Oh my gosh, man. That's funny. I love to, I'm sure he did on his podcast. I need to go back and look. I need to hear a play-by-play and what went through his mind in this moment.

He did that. I remember a couple games after that or something like that. He slapped use of Nerkich. Just casually. Oh, yeah. I forgot. 2023, he was on a roll. Yeah, man.

Peak Draymond. Pink Draymond. Damn. And with that being said, that is the end of this episode. People are still here. Come in your favorite moment of Peak Draymond. For me personally, it's when he tackled Marcus Smart.

Oh, forgot. Oh, my God. He, like, flipped over and did a sub-ersault. That was good. Let us know your favorite Dremont Green moment, and we'll see y'all on Monday. Yeah, buy some drip too while you're at it.

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