The Deep 3 Podcast - How To Fix Every NBA Playoffs Loser | Ep. 140

Episode Date: May 10, 2025

Today we talk what's next for every NBA playoff loser of round 1! #nba Check out the TD3 merch: https://the-deep-3-shop.fourthwall.com/ Listen on Spotify!: https://open.spotify.com/show/3elbbqVumwqz8wlIdknsLW Listen on Apple Podcasts!: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-deep-3-podcast/id1657940794 Follow us on TikTok!: https://www.tiktok.com/@thedeepthree Follow us on Instagram!: https://www.instagram.com/thedeep3podcast/ Isaac's twitter: https://twitter.com/byisaacg Mo's twitter: https://twitter.com/Mojo99_ Donnavan's twitter: https://twitter.com/Dsmoot3D 0:00- Intro 2:41- Knicks vs Celtics 31:59- OKC vs Nuggets 46:28- Warriors vs Wolves 54:36- Pacers vs Cavs 1:02:05- Fixing the Rockets 1:13:43- Fixing the Bucks 1:23:31- Fixing the Clippers 1:31:58- Fixing the Grizzlies 1:40:40- Fixing the Lakers 1:49:50- Fixing the Magic 1:57:56- tiktok time Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Why are you staring at me? You fools. You fools. I'm here for respect. I'm here for an apology. Because not only did you guys laugh in my face with people watching. You slapped me in my face. I slapped you in your face?

Physically assaulted me. There's no footage of this. When all I said was, they have a chance. All I said was the door is open. I was laughed off this set. Ha, ha, ha, ha. we're up too oh we're up too oh because you guys were like oh that that game one win it means absolutely nothing all this other stuff and here we are the new york mix are up too oh job's not

finished jobs not done we should have a long way to go right but we're going back home and this is where this is where we shine and all all i said all i said was that we had a chance you smacked your teeth all of that said this was nonsense said this was insane all of this like i was crazy like i was a madman and all of a sudden once again the boston celtics another 20 point loss another 20 point lead blown and man it feels so good it feels so good yeah so my favorite thing in the world is to make fun of the new york nix as a proxy making fun of you and you can't do that today everyone knows the one thing i will do in front of this mic before above all else above all logic is rage bait Donovan.

I will never miss an opportunity to make you mad on purpose. But what's your favorite thing in the world to do? Laughing at the goddamn Boston Celtics. Here we are. We thought the driving force of this TD3 world

will be laughing at Donovan. Today the driving force is laughing at the Boston Celtics. It's a win-win situation for us. We're going to laugh at somebody. We can never lose. He gets to be happy. We got to give it to him.

Like you guys see by the title, this episode is going to be all about for the second half of the show kind of doing a goodbye to all the playoff losers that lost this playoff run in the first round specifically, we're going to talk about how to fix

every single team that lost in the first round kind of highlight their flaws that led to their demise in that round and talk about what they can do to put themselves in a better position next year.

But before we do that, before we get to the main part of this show, we got to talk about all the second round series that I've begun, starting with the Knicks versus Celtics,

got to get into the OKC series, the Pacers series, the Warriors series, all of them. Well, Gives Donovan, his time to shine, his time to rub the success, I guess,

of the New York Knicks in our face. Yeah, man, cue the intro of me. We got a lot to talk about. The cranium is crazy. Oh, my God. I mean, I don't know what to say.

Pray on eaters rejoice. All right, man. So let's talk about the Knicks first. Obviously, none of us, even the Knicks fan coming into the series, expected the Knicks to be able to have a chance to upset the Boston Celtics. All year, I think we were pretty high-ish on the Knicks, right? We were respecting them for being a really good team. We just said, being really good, doesn't matter when the Boston Celtics' defending champs are right there.

And seemingly on paper are the kryptonite for everything you want to do. If you ever imagined a team that was built to beat a team that's led by a small guard and a stretch five that is lethal, but not great defensively, to say the least, you would pinpoint a team like the Celtics who have five switchable defenders, elite spacing, elite forwards that can attack the big and the small in that equation. on paper, everything makes sense for the Celtics to just get the Knicks out of here and end the season that started with them giving up a million first-on picks from McHale Bridges giving up their depth for New Carlincy Towns. It seemed like it was for not

because of Boston Celtics were everything that they are not in the best way. But here we are. Your team is up too-oh. Here we are. How do you feel? How do you feel defying the odds? I will say this.

So coming into the series, I probably would have been, like if we had made official predictions because I don't think we had a chance to officially predict this series because of, you know, scheduling and stuff. And so I probably would have picked the Celtics. Even though that I'm obviously rooting for the Knicks,

want them to win, the one thing that I couldn't talk myself, like if this was last year's team, I would have been able to talk myself into being like, yeah, they could do it. You know why? They got that dog in them. Yes. And as great as the offense was this year and all the pieces were jelling together, the one thing that a lot of Knicks fans were saying is like,

this team is just missing that dog from last year. In the first two games, the dog is here. It's unlimited dog. And the fact that for the second straight game, you have a 20-point deficit in the third quarter. Last time it was like midway through the third. It was about two and a half minutes left where the 20-point lead was still there. And all of a sudden, three after three after three, you get down to 12 and you look up and you're like, oh, whoa, whoa, oh, now. This is a game.

Oh, now. You got an little accent with that cowboy. That's okay. Oh, no, that's it. Well, no. And you just, you just keep seeing the Knicks make play after play after play. And you look up and the number one thing that if you are a Knicks fan or if you're in the Knicks building that you are telling yourself going into these games is give yourself

an opportunity at the end of the game. If it's four, if it's four points, five, five points, whatever, we just need to get into a clutch situation and we will let Clutch Player of the Year, my account. Captain, right, Jalen Brunson, we'll let him take over. And the interesting part about yesterday is he didn't even have a crazy game. Jalen Brunson didn't even do the Jalen Brunson things. Now, he did have some clutch shots down the stretch of the game, but this was about Car Anthony Town showing up big time in the first half.

This is about McKell Bridges, who every other week is either overpaid or undervalued in terms of like, I can't believe we gave five first on picks for Mikhail. and then he'll go do stuff like he did in game one and have a save like he did in game two and it's like five first round picks man we don't care about that it shifts back and forth and so his performance in the fourth quarter

and the second half was amazing and Mitchell Robinson who apparently is just Joe Missoula's just nightmare he's like I just can't see him on the floor it's a combination of all of that coming together and now the New York Knicks up to O going back home I debated I debated buying tickets

for game three. In the two to seven minutes that I was doing it, prices went up $200. Oh, hell, no. And I was like, all right, I'm going to wait. But I did make a deal with my father and with my uncle. And if they make the conference finals, we are going to, we're going to the game.

We're going to one of the games at the garden. If they make the finals, we will do a podcast from outside. Oh, 100%. I guarantee. We'll figure out a way. H-O-H will make it happen, I'm sure. We will do a podcast in New York City if they make the finals. I guarantee it.

And I'm saying all of this stuff to give the salute. but man does it feel good to watch the Celtics crumble it feels so good to watch them do the things like at least for me at the most opportune time all of their all of their weaknesses all of the talking points of you you take too many threes jason tannum you're not getting to the basket this team has to figure out you know different ways to win all this other stuff joe mazula coaching narratives are being brought up again man it feels like 2022 when they were choking away competition finals and it feels great for me right now yeah i'm glad you said that so two sides of this right for every collapse that happens there has to be a team that collapses and there's probably

a big reason why they are self-inflicted wounds to blow a 20-point lead you had to really shit yourself twice in a row you at the you at the you at the unmatched level of defecation to blow two 20 point leads two games in a row against an inferior team to you drinking laxatives for love crazy beans everywhere gassy but on the other hand the other team has to come back too right it's it's a it works both ways So let's start off by giving the Knicks their props before I get into all the reasons why the Boston Celtics deserve nothing but hate.

The Knicks came into the series. The big reason why none of us believe in them was defense. We knew they were a good offense. There's obviously the defensive side of the ball for the Celtics where they're obviously great too and that didn't help that they had a great defense that could seemingly slow down in Brunson at times.

But the biggest reason we didn't believe in the Knicks wasn't that. It was because we thought there was no way in hell they'd be able to defend this Boston Celtics team, right? Because we know what drop coverage with Carleton's at Center is cooked. It's toast. That has been the case of this series.

too, but the one thing we talk about during the regular season that could be an X factor, we just have to wait and see, is what it looks like when Mitchell Robinson comes back fully healthy and plays next to Crossley Towns, putting him back at Power Forward, where he's at his best defensively, that has been so much better of a look. They're switching a lot more to, which has been a big reason for the Boston Celtics struggles. Part of it is their missing shots, which we'll get to, but part of it is the Celtics, I mean, the Knicks have been dead set on not letting them drive at all and get into rotation and be able to create these open catch-and-shoot threes, right?

No, normally, it's not just we run and pick up. and roll on hoisted three. It's we're going to create a pain touch every time because Jaylon Brown is faster than you, KP's bigger than you, Jason Taylor can get to his spots, you're going to have to help and we're going to swing the ball every time and create a three. Their switching defense has been so unforeseenly good. Nobody expecting them to be able to man up this well, switching their bigs onto their wings with zero hesitation, switching Jaylon Brunson off the wings of zero hesitation and staying

in front of the Boston Celtics. Why don't they get to the rim? The Knicks aren't letting them. That part has been Knicks are playing really good defense and they are. bringing out defensive looks that Tom Tibblow clearly saved for the playoffs with the double big and the increased switching part of it is a Celtics melting down part of it is a Knicks are making them fall into their worst habits so shout out them their defenses are so much props yeah I think one of the biggest misconceptions that most people have especially Boston Celtics fans

is like oh my god they just continue to see like keep on spamming threes and what people aren't like really realizing is that they're throwing so many hands and bodies in the paint and like you said, you put it in the best way possible. Like, they're making them fall into their worst habits. And it's been, like, I guess the word that you said of the week is amplified. This is what's happening literally to Jason Tatum and the Boston Celtics. Now, something I will say, again, we're going to stick to the Knicks for a little bit longer. The Celtics are dealing with real issues, but so are the New York Knicks. Like, you've been since the day one of the season, pretty much maybe a week after Car Anthony Towns is.

traded you were of course like flew in all types of ways but then you moved on and you're like okay like this is going to be the matchup of the year for us how well do we face up against these guys you're not worried about the calves necessary you don't care about the pacers like this is the biggest um thing in front of in front of your road of a championship and you're worried about the car in the towns of the world at the time period like you said like mr robinson has made like all the changes in the world with his ability with his ability to switch I'm so impressed with the fact that, okay, like, you guys got out rebounded on the offensive board especially. You guys had, I think, one less turnover or maybe one more turnover than the Boston Celtics.

You guys also didn't even attempt more shots than the Boston Celtics. This is, again, we said this on a TD3 stream on a Tuesday, 6 p.m. Eastern time. That was a generational collapse, game one. game two was the exact same thing but it feels like even worse because Jalen Brunzel was literally even worse he scored like nine points in the fourth quarter the rest of the game he was not up to much

but just trying to keep things afloat yeah shout out the next right shout out of next defensively they've done so much better than we thought they would do look at lock it this is the second straight year for the second straight year Mitchell Robinson has come in and change the change the series last year in the first round

against Philly Hardinstein could not stay in front of NB He could not hold him. He was getting into foul trouble a lot. And the times with Joel and B. Had the most discomfort getting to his spots was whenever Mitchell Robinson was right there. And now you still see him coming out and like Isaac is saying, switching on to Jason Tatum. And even though that Tatum, Tatum likes to take those stepbacks.

We all know this. Whether you like to take it or not, having a seven foot one or a seven footer put his hand up and contest that, that instantly obviously makes it harder. So he's doing that as well. And what we talked about after game one, which also kind of, you know, put itself into this game is where's Christopheppes? Because Porzengis only played 14 minutes. And so you come out, they start Al Forford. And now your big depth is instantly, you know, de-reiled. That's a good point.

So let's talk about the Celtics side now. Shout out the Knicks. They done their job, right? Props to them. We were not trying to diminish their performance at all. The Boston Celtics are a fucking joke right now. And we need to laugh at them and talk about, actually, that may that's a bad way to frame it. We need to talk about the realities of their system and their style of play and the downsides that can come with that, right?

This whole current NBA playoffs, really the past two or three years, one of the things we've learned is in the modern NBA, partially because of Celtics and their influence, and I guess the teams that came before that, three point variance is the new biggest swing factor in many, many games, right? There's a lot of factors going to basketball, but almost every single series, there's a one or two games that come down to this, team shot a lot of threes, missed a lot of threes. Other teams shot a lot of threes, made a lot of threes. That kind of defines a lot of games, and it's like a baseline before you get to all the other Xs and O sometimes. There's not ever probably in the history of the NBA, been a team that is so dependent on three-point variance as a Boston Celtics, because they've built their entire

just top-to-bottom way they want to play around mastering variants. They said, we are going to take the most threes possible. So in the macro sense, we look across a 90-game sample, however many games we get into the playoffs we will win more times than we will lose the three point variance battle that works most the time we saw it work in the playoffs last year right they won that battle more than not they didn't sweep teams because they every series they had one or two games where they trolled they missed a lot of threes and it's hard for them to win in four they won a lot of series in five and six because four times out of six they win that battle by making more threes and they miss that's what we thought in game one

was going to happen right we thought it would be a trolling game we'll say okay this happens they had a lot of time off come back shit happened again this is baked into the way they play they have such an opportunity to collapse and fold by just missing their shots that variance is going to come into play human nature will come into play when you have such a reliance on that and such little desire to break from that shout out you playing your system shout out you sticking your identity that's all great but the playoffs are a game of small sample size it's small sample size to the highest extreme you can tell yourself you went out in the long run no matter what but if you lose three times and your backs against the wall because you got unlucky three times

that's just what it is now you're on the brink of elimination this is the downside of what happen this is the 2018 Rockets this can happen it probably won't happen most series most time you'll be right but sometimes you won't be right and you'll be down too oh to a team you should be up largely because you stuck to your guns and you lost the luck battle i'm i'm i'm so happy that they just said that because one one we talk especially on this show we talk so much about like about sample size and whether we're critiquing players and me like you know what it's been 10 games but we we got to give people you know 20 games or if somebody's rising heavy it's like listen, they've had a great first two months of the year.

Let's see what happens over a larger sample size. That's not what this is about. Nope. That's not what this is about. And again, because y'all was out here, you know, kissing your teeth, you only have to, you only have to get four. And the fact that the Knicks already have two and they're going back home is extremely key. And what this is reminding me of is obviously another situation that the Boston Celtics

were in two years ago when they got down three O to the Miami Heat. And these games went fairly similar. where you're at home and the heat was and the heat were the very grit and grind team heat culture all that we just have to get it close because jimmy butler is going to is going to carry us over the over the finish line and here we are doing that again now do i think that it's okay so the way that the heat went up three oh and that game three they embarrassed boston i don't think that that's that's going to happen i would be absolutely shocked if the boston's came out in game three and got beat by by 30.

I doubt that that's going to happen. And also, these are just, these are very, very close games. And while the Knicks are executing, you are, I guess you can look at that sample size argument and say over at least the six game sample size, you can have Jason Tatum, you know, execute at a high level or Jalen Brown make a shot at the end of games where if it is going close, you can kind of see it going a different direction. There's two parts of this, though. I started off by mentioning they are just losing that luck battle, right?

Of they're playing their game and they're getting the unlucky side of it that won't happen a lot. But now it's happened twice, of them just missing open threes. That's part of it. The part of why they won so easily last year while playing that is Jason Tatum was really good generating pain touches. His shot wasn't falling last year. I didn't playoff run for a lot of time. But he was really good.

Jaylon Brown was healthy, instant pain touch. Drew Holiday was a year younger, probably better. And Christop's Porzingis was a force when he was there. Now he wasn't there for a playoff run, but top and down the roster, they were relying on threes. But the reason they're different than 2018 Rockets who were even more relying on threes to like a vanilla degree is they have a lot of players on the roster

that create pain touches and keep the defense in rotation and give you enough inside the arc that the threes are that much harder to guard, right? Jaylon Brown's not fully healthy. He's looked up and down. He's had good flashes, but you know he's working through knee injury. Drew Holiday hasn't been quite as effective as he was last year. He had a good game last night, so I don't want to single him out.

He's been better. He's been better with that. And Christos Porzingis is absolutely not here to the degree he was before. So while the three point variance is just part of it is unlucky you're missing shots, they're lacking the interior stuff that kind of brought it together and made you a little bit less reliant on it. Because we haven't said his name yet. We're waiting to get there clearly. Jason Tatum played the worst game of his fucking past three years. I will say, I will say I am over here out of the three of us for some reason I am labeled as the Tatumator.

For some reason. Whatever it is, I am labeled. as that. I will say before we go ahead and get on stadium, which he deserves a lot of it. He did sustain a fucking risk injury, game one against the Orlando Magic, and for the first time ever he missed a playoff game last series. So that's clearly, like, bothering his shot. And I feel like that's the most

untalked about things so far throughout the entire discourse of this series. But still, there is no massive excuse when it comes to, like, the decision-making and the type of things that he is doing and how he's getting to us. fair. His jumper looks really bad right now if you want to say it's because of the jump because that that makes sense because it looks heinous. He's missing off the backboard to the right now. It's not even, it looks atrocious right now. Yeah. But this is the part that's props to the Knicks. They are making him have a hard time getting to the rim. He does not look like the

most explosive athlete one-on-one defeating defenders that he can blow by. He's not creating the paint touches he once did or he's struggling in that regard. And that's making the house of cards fall. And that's what it comes down to is all of this stuff can work. You can do this idea we're talking about of winning the math battle, taking the most three. more often not you won't get unlucky but that only works if your star wings play like star wings and if chrisops is the mismatched down low that can give you big minutes so that the three point shooting gives you the floor and your stars decide the ceiling the star's ceiling right now is in the fucking crater it's underground it's buried six feet under they're making this sink just as

much and listen they they got up 20 points these game so the things we thought would happen on why they'd be able to blow out the nicks have happened they've gotten up 20 points you don't get 20 point leads without having some clear advantages some clear mismatches That is hard to do. So we've seen the upside on what they can do, and then we've seen the downside and the floor because the stars aren't giving you the easy buckets to maintain those leads.

They're just relying on these three-pointers that they're getting decent looks. I've seen a lot of people kind of talk about how their process and saying they're being lazy with it and stuff. They're getting the looks they always get. They always take hard shots and they make them more often than not. I don't even think the process is as different

as people are making it seem. The process usually just has Jason Tatum scoring a lot more efficiently than this. Chris Osbergis being a lot more impactful down and low than this without those things. It is strictly luck and not luck plus star talent. And that's why they're so unbeatable. Game one, game one, I actually think everybody's right in terms of they were taking bad

shots and they were getting good shots just because they took 63. Like they took a crazy amount of threes. And so in that, you're going to get a wide variety of shots. That's what they want, right? Yeah. So, so everybody's right on that. The thing that is just continuing to be shocking to me is the fact that, you have even though that the nicks are switching the the fact that that tatum is not just straight

taking mitcher robinson off the dribble or he he's got him brenson on him and has and has taken a step back rather than really really being able to to get downhill that's the part that's been really really like i guess the most shocking for me because in the in the regular season and in times whenever the Celtics have, you know, dominated, it's, there's been times when he's just like, we just can't guard them. Yeah, you can't stay in front of them.

Yeah, that's a difference for sure. You can't stay in front of them. And the fact that they're doing that now, I mean, Tatum, outside of the dunk that he had at the end of the game, where it was literally a 40-yard dash full-back dollars. Open field, yeah. Right?

That is, that is what that. Outside of that, he didn't have, he didn't have a lay-up opportunity. He's taking fadeaways. He's taking turnaround jumpers. And that's always been a critique of Tate. him is that he likes to take, you know, Kobe system tough jumpers and stuff like that. And unless you're making those at a high, high level, then it's not really going to go.

The most embarrassing thing from last night's game was that they went seven, damn near eight minutes in the fourth quarter without getting a singular field goal. Last night in the fourth quarter, they made a total of not one, not two, not three, but a whopping four buckets total. That is amazing. embarrassing and like that that goes back to what you guys said about at the end of the day like they're doing what they're doing as in the role players and derrick whites of the world the pain preachers and the drew holiday who had a good game too but what really helps you this team like rise above all else is your star players and they're just not that jalen brown is looking really rodney stuckie it's because of his fucking knee there's nothing you can do about this christos spursing is god knows what he has he might have tape or who the fuck knows what is going on oh no illness Tatum again wrist that's very very underrated when he comes to talking about him and his him and his stuff but he's reverting back to a lot of the old tendencies that people really caved in on him about and when you don't have those guys to help rise above i.e jason tatum and jalen brown for the most part this is really this is looking like a really good product and

like listen we we talk a lot about the practice of what they're trying to do right we can talk a lot about the theory of how they want to play we've seen it be up we've seen it be up we've seen be down. End of the day, this is the shot chart. 99% of the game is green. This is their leads they had. This is the theory of what they want to do. It works.

This is not a matter of strategy entirely. It's purely. It's a matter of dog. Yeah, like, they just executed so fucking poorly ended the day that you just, you see this big green right here? This looks fake. It's like, this.

You made this. They just collapsed. There's no way. Changes in the entire game. They just collapsed. And the lead changes were all at the end of the last two minutes. before that the whole thing is green. Exactly.

So we can talk about how they want to play and it is inherently high variance. It's what they want to do. It's more so than probably any team in the world. This is what it comes down to is the execution at the end of the game. They simply choked. Like it really is as simple as that.

If it comes down to like, if they meet three of those threes in the fourth quarter, we wouldn't be talking about this because they'd be winning. Same thing for the game one. It's small, small details in the end of games that decide these things

and they just have not, executed in the end like it's really that simple and now now they're going on the road in and obviously listen they're they're champions right i'm not going to they're not first year players i'm not going to say that they're going to be you know deer in the headlights but this is going to be the craziest environment that i think anybody has has seen in a long long time because the the nicks have not been in this in this position in over 20 years right don't the Celtics have a road record than home this year. Yes.

That's ridiculous. Yeah, they've been better on the road. So let me say this. The series isn't over. I don't know how it's going to go though. Because it's getting really, really scary. And also because even though that the Celtics, obviously, like, we're harping on them and we're harping on their three-point variance because that is what they're built on.

Yeah. The mix also haven't shot crazy well from three either. So if you go home and, you know, you have the playoff cliche of like role players, shoot better at home or and all that type of stuff, if you get a little bit of bump in in the Knicks production, there is a scenario where the Knicks can go out and they can match whatever level that you think Boston is going to rise to. And now we're in a situation again where it's last five minutes of the game, who's going to execute more? And as we go down further and further into the playoffs, you see that a lot, right? Whenever, whenever three-point

variance is either even or it's not really a factor that game, we've seen teams. We've seen teams, just be able over and over again to either outsmart or out execute teams and that's that was the case in round one with like wars and the rockets we've said that for years about the nuggets and the fact that there's you know one one with the thunder right now is the fact that they have a supercomputer and he can process things and he can execute at at the end of games I'm not saying jalen brunson is out here making crazy reads because it really is just one-on-one you know bucket getting to the highest order but now we're here you know what's so impressive to too for me.

I don't even think the Knicks are like fully at their best yet. Because I feel like someone like Car Anthony Town still could get even more involved in offense and still could even get a much more three-pointers. Like he's the best shooting big in the history of the league and that even feels like. They're not going to feel at their best because they're going against the second-best defense in the goddamn league and that's what it looks like. We're just not seeing the best offense in the goddamn league come to play. So like I think we're going to see this.

The Knicks not look quite as good as the regular season because look at the defense they're playing. Yeah. It just matters that the Celtics can carry up their end. on the other end too because the whole reason we felt so good about them is their defense is a lot better than Knicks offense and their offense is a lot better than Nick's defense. Only one of those things have been

true. Like the Knicks aren't scoring super well. That's probably to be expected, right? Because that's the Celtics are still defending well. They just got to score well. You're right. I agree with that. But there's still no, that's still not a great answer in my mind for why Kat isn't at least getting up the attempts. Well, here's because they're switching. They're switching him on wings. Because

the, because Kat operates on Cat operates and thrives on mismatches, right? He's too fast for centers, and he's too big for wings. The Celtics have Derek White and Drew Holiday and Tatum. All of their and Brown, all of their wings are extremely strong. And even though that Al Horford isn't fast, Al Horford is just, and he's the anomaly where it's like, how are you this good at Guard?

Cat was fined him last night. He was getting fouls, but the end one thing he was making, they were still tough shots. And so, and if there's anybody as, you know, ready to guard highly skilled offensive bigs, it's Al Horford. And so he, you know, like, that's what I'm saying. So in terms of like mismatches, the Celtics do have bodies to where a cat can be kind

of nullified. But the aggression that he had early on is something that you do like to see to where, just like in game one, where a lot of the Knicks were in foul trouble early on. Now, especially because you have Forzingis out, you can get Al Horford into foul trouble. You can get Cornette into foul trouble and really start putting the pressure because there were a couple of buckets that cat got where I'll just had to let him go because he already had 3,000. So you can get easy opportunities like that. Shout to my Dominican King, Alhor. Yeah.

It's Dominican on Dominican too. Oh, you're right. It is. Wow, bro. It's so funny because this series, like we said, the Knicks are guarding them well doing the smart adjustments that weren't foreseen in the regular season to make them fall into bad habits. But like so much that this really comes down to are the Celtics serious and are. the Celtics going to shoot themselves in the foot some more? Like, I don't even know

how to break the rest of the series because like, you would think that. I was just about to ask you, what do you guys think is that? If anybody's capable of winning four and a rough, they're going down O2, it's the Celtics. Are you predicting? Do you think Celtics still win the series? For the sake of injuries that are real life bothering Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum, which just nullifies

all like room for much error, I think I'm going to lean the New York Knicks. I mean, they're up too so Matt's easy to win, but again, if there's any team that's capable of, it's the Celtics like this is such a weird 2-0 where we're very doom and gloom. They were leading for most both these games.

It's kind of like the first Thunder game. But they did it twice. They got unsirious and blew it twice. One more time, then you have very little margin for error. So I don't know. Like they should win on paper still. They are very capable of winning still,

but should have could have wood at this point. They only have so many more times to be stupid in the fourth quarter. Shout out to Joe Missoula for not calling a timeout in the fourth quarter when you witness your team. Go seven straight minutes without scoring a single point. I'd love to see it. I mean, I don't know.

They should win. They probably fucking won't. Like, they just clearly have given us zero games in which they've been serious. You know, there's a stat that the last like four or five champions have lost in the second round the next year. We talked a lot early in the year about, or I did especially, that they're vulnerable. We weren't talking about them versus the Cavs. We thought the Cavs could beat them. Apparently the Knicks could beat them too.

Apparently they're that motherfucking vulnerable. So who knows? I got the Nixon six. I feel like it probably goes seven. And that makes me think that the Celtics are at home. Maybe they get them an advantage, but they just lost two home games in a row. So who the fuck knows? Yeah, in my mind, I want to, just because, like, you have a 2-0, I would love to say Nixon 5 right now.

But, but this team refuses to take anything easy. And they refuse to make things easy. We are just coming off of a series in the Pistons where all of us is like, they should have won that series in five, right? And they really were in control or they were in bad positions that they shouldn't have been in. And that series was longer and harder and more physical. than it should have been. So I can't sit up here and be like, oh, yeah, like they're, they're up to oh, it's done. I feel better about it.

I would say, like, I feel a lot better if it was like back and forth games the whole time. And we saw the Knicks just like going band for band with them. And like it seemed like it's just clearly they're on the same level. But the nature of this is so goddamn weird where the Celtics dominate most the game both times and then just sell like, I don't know what to take away from that. Because maybe they keep selling and that's who they are. There is no other team in the NBA who could do this, but the Celtics. dominate like this and fumbled the last like 30 seconds of the game. It's very similar to that first OKC versus the Nuggets game.

I felt zero worry about that because it happened one time. That happens in the game was a lot. Is what it is, right? Rust happens and you lose a game that you should have won. Game two, they came out and answered. They did it again. They did it. That's what I try to tell you.

It's not Rust. That's who they are. They did it twice. So I have no fucking clue. We'll see what the self-dress are goddamn made of because they... I just talked myself into it. Mixing five. We're going to the finals.

I will see you guys in front of the garden. We're going to be live streaming. An episode every day, every day ahead of the finals. You phone me twice. You can't get fooled again. Oh, I can't wait. This is amazing. I hate the Celtics.

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dominated for 43 minutes of the first game. The final five minutes, they soiled their pants. Yoker scored like 10 straight points dominating the paint. And Mark Dagnol had one of the worst, just brain farts from a coach to lose a game that we've seen in a long time. The analytics got the best of them. Anyway, he fouled up three too much. They snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

They've lost a very loseable game. And my God, everybody was ready to come out. You guys should have seen my motherfucking mentions. I am clearly a Thunder fan. It's no secret. I want the Thunder to win. This is clearly my second favorite team. I spent the last 18 months telling you they're going to win a championship.

I've been so unbelievably confident in that. And my God, when they lost that game won, I was getting flooded. everybody's saying you're inexperienced little boys can't win we told you the playoffs are for adults everyone was ready to call them frauds game two came out and they wanted historic fashion they scored almost 100 points of the first half they blew them out by 40 wire to wire domination i would say this is what we expected to see in game one but it's what we did see in game one for 43 minutes before they saw other pants and this was to another level we talked about in the stream that okay you lost game one you sold let's see what you do in game two show us so you have championship d and show us you guys and handle the pressure that chet won't miss two freck those the game on the line that jdub won't play so goddamn horrifically shooting 25% from the field they answered every single question in this game they came out on fucking fire shout out to jub man we were over the last what 24 months we've been somewhat critical or 12 months we've been really critical of someone like jadub because of what he did during the math series last year he was a key reason a part of the reason why they lost and this game right here he kind of helped and answer some of the major questions we had about him and the legitimacy of him being an actual number two option behind Shea. I think one of the biggest things that stood out to me, this game compared to the last game,

is seeing how dominant he was going down the hill and how his push crossover and the nuanced things of his game like that were so effective. And he used every ounce and force of his athleticism and speed and acceleration perfectly against these guys. He haunted them like dogs, the Christian Browns of the world, the MPJs and hell even Nicole Yokic a couple of times down their third and fourth quarter, well, third and second quarter. It was beautiful.

Yesterday was the full Oklahoma City experience, right? You saw, you saw, and I guess like part of the reason why even after game one, we were like, it's going to be okay is because, yes, they collapsed, but the ways that they got up 20, we were still saying their defensive pressure was elite and you, Like, that's something that travels every single game, regardless of how their three-point shot is going. So you saw that every swing opportunity where it's a miss bucket and then we're going to take it down on the other end,

it felt like every single swing moment, you know, momentum shots, all those. All of them went in OKC's favor. And so before you can even look up and get yourself, you know, entrenched into the game, they're already up 14. Yeah. Yeah, look at this nice little chart we have here of the game map. Oh, my God. It starts off a little bit of blue.

They're in the lead. Just gets bigger and bigger. Forty-odin points. Yeah, like the whole story of the first, what, three, four games and all of these, like, semifinals, it's like, hey, man, no 20-point lead is safe. Nathan was like, bet. We're going to be up by 50. I promise you, look, we're going to be safe.

So we talked about game one a lot on stream. I think we did a pretty good breakdown of it. And we talked about the swing factors that OKCC need to do to come out. 6 p.m. Eastern time. Tap in. One was J-dub finished with way too much finesse in that game. All these ugly floaters trying to finish around people. He didn't have the strength that he finished.

finish with in round one when he really bullied the grizzlies. Like, Shade didn't play his best scoring wise in the first series, and it didn't matter because Jadab got whatever he wanted in the paint. He came out, like you said, bully ball. He didn't even shoot off in three. I think he made none in this game, but he scored well overall because he was a menace in the paint. He answered the question.

The way they guarded Yokic, he got instant post touches in game one because they chose to guard him straight up and kind of do the little too big thing where they have one roaming, but also a lot of straight up post touches. Yokish had his way. In this game, they switched to that strategy. for a lot of the game that the Lakers did when they had that regular season went over them

where they had a smaller guy front the post-entry passes for Yokic instead of saying we're going to defend you well and make you beat us one-on-one as a score we said you're not going to touch the fucking ball we're going to hound you we're going to front it and we're going to make Jamal Murray

make some hard passes and he failed to they got so many steals the first half off of that that's what the Los Angeles Clippers did last series that's why they kind of had him for two seconds in those first two or three games Chris Dunnell was so vital for the Los Angeles Clippers he hounded Nicole Yokich and was fronting the fuck out of them

and that's why this second that they were able to be like you know what chris done you're not important we're going to make you completely useless on the offensive end they the series completely flipped on his head because they didn't have that on ball pressure anymore okay so you don't have none of those guys no one's useless on this end it's not going to happen over here and yeah so they made that hard they said we're gonna bet that these four other players in the court with you cannot handle the pressure of making these tough passes against our hounding defenders they could not they also no one of in on that note we mentioned a lot that this playoffs everyone's allowed to defend crazy physical it's been wars it's

been hand-checking is legal again pretty much. And we said, if that's going to be the case, some people might say, She's not going to get his free throw. He's in a struggle there because of the physicality. That was the case for a couple games. But we also said, okay, OKC has the best, most physical group of defenders I've ever seen in my goddamn life as an NBA fan. They're going to hound you and they're going to punch you and they're going to disrupt

you and get so many steals. And the other team is going to be like, what the fuck? They're fouling me. Well, they're allowing it for every team. They're going to allow it for them to. That's what happened. We had Aaron Gordon's on the podium after the game saying, Yok is just getting fouled. You're goddamn right.

is so is Shea so is everybody they just are the most equipped to take advantage because they have an insane amount of primitive defenders that are going to punch you in the chin every time I was also super impressed and just happy with the way that Shea played last night. Trust me I got plenty to say about that

it was the way the way She played was so in control and it was so it was so like letting the game come to him he was picking his spots he was able to get downhill you saw

a couple of the finishes where you saw the more traditional shade where he's creating space on uh in the in the mid range she's getting he's getting downhill contorting his body and weird angles laying it up really well a lot of times and we've seen it plenty of uh we've seen it plenty of times where player player has a bad game game two they come back they start forcing they start taking shots because the the physicality is getting to them where they really just want to you know impose themselves onto the game. One, the game didn't call for that because OKC got up so quickly in the first quarter. But Shea was just everywhere.

And that was a different look from an engine. A lot of times you think of engine. You think of Yolkits, Luca. I'm holding the ball every single possession. I'm dictating every single pass. She was able to do it in a, okay, I'm going to go here. This is what it calls for. I'm taking my spot.

I'm picking my spot here. I'm picking my spot there. I thought that he played as well as he this is the best playoff game of his career like pretty easily I think he was he played a perfect game he had like a 95% true shooting over 30 points eight assists he played so unbelievably well game one he had a good game he got to his point three bounds assist but it was clear he wasn't fully comfortable so they won in spite of almost won in spite of that game one the nuggets did a fantastic job at helping at the nail and just shrinking the floor and making him not. be able to get to his spots comfortably and have to make quick decisions and they did a really good job doing that and then getting out to the three-point shooters. It looked very much like how the Golden State Warriors defend with Dramon Green, Jimmy Butler and all those wings. They help off shooters a lot and then get back and really close the nail so you can't get to the middle of the court. The Nugge said that really well and Shane was a little bit, a little bit stiff.

He looked like he, you know, he fell into ISOs. He saw the lanes disappear and then got into these stale size-ups and tried to make something happen. He's talented so he got to his 30 points, but it wasn't pretty. It wasn't like consistent offense. This game two looked like he's seen that bitch a thousand times. He came back. It looked like in those two days of film study, he had a sharring on. He was the definition of, I understand it. Yeah, he understood it now.

He knifed them up so well, the best passing I've ever seen, the fastest decision-making. He found ways to get to a spots faster. He anticipated the defense. He attacked the right spots, got to the free-to-line because he knew where they were coming from with the help. It was the perfect game for Shea, and it answered a lot of the questions people had after game one where they were starting to be like, oh, is this a playoff dropper? is he not going to be able to do his stuff with his physicality, I think he'll be all right. The only, the, the five games that we've had where you've even questioned Shay and his

playoff, you know, acumen is game one in this, in this game where, again, in a bad game still had 30 points and then round one against the grizzlies where they're up by 50 at every single halftime. And so you're not, you're not seeing everything that you need from Shea and the one the one game where the grizzlies actually were in it, they ended up, you know, blowing a 30 point lead in OKC was able to come back. Shea, in the loss last year, average 30, before that when they were in the playing, he he had a good, you know, two playing games, whatever. He, with his style of play and with his ability to just effortlessly get to his spots, he's kind of playoff move, right? But I'm not If he's playing like this, yeah

Yeah, I'm never, I'm never going to be worried about Is the moment going to get to get to Shea? That's not that's not it and so I like going going forward I I'm obviously I'm still on okay C to come out this series Yeah, last night corrected any any fear that that you had It should be right now. Okay, see probably still in six you you can give Yokic another game just because he's like that But it's probably going to be an easy six like they're going to go up three one and

you know, probably win in six that way. It's hard to play in Denver, so we'll see. But I still have faith, you know. You guys know, I've been saying it. I think the Thunder are going to win the championship. At the least, me being the most conservative, I said I believe there's a hundred percent in my mind they're going to be in the finals. I said one of those teams that these could beat them.

They're also great, that being the Celtics and the Cavs. If those motherfuckers are going to lose in round two. Nicks of the Cavs. If those motherfuckers are both going to lose in round two, I don't know if people are like, the league is so wide open. Yeah, for an OKC Thunder five-game finals victory to destroy the fucking paces or destroy the Nix. I think if those two teams don't get out, the Thunder see those teams in the finals. If your team gets to the finals, I'll have the utmost respect for them getting there.

I'll say it now. I don't care who's healthy. The Thunder will blast the Knicks in the finals. Oh, I can't wait. Yeah, I don't care. I'll say, I can't wait. Now, they have to get there. You have to get past Jokic, which is not, I don't think it's as easy as you're saying.

I think, you know, Yokish is still Yokish. This is their worst-case scenario. We'll see how they bounce back at home. It'll be a long series. I'm going to pick a thunder still, but they have to see how they respond to Yokic's best game after a brutal loss. Yeah. If they get past this series and did they get past the Warriors,

they're blowing the fuck out whoever's in the finals. Yeah, I agree with you. The Warriors. When it comes to last night's performance. Well, I'll talk about that. When it comes to last night's performance with the Denver Nuggets,

I think it was the least surprising thing to know and to find out, oh, shit like these guys got blasted. I mean, I feel like this damn mirror happens in every. series that they play they just end up having like one super embarrassing game and they got to go home with the trash bags rolling rolling with the trash bags and paper bags over their head like it's just what happens almost every time so i'm looking forward to seeing what the adjustments look like and if like whether or not guys like a christian bra is going to look more useful whether how comfortable jamal murray looks trying to throw those passes and also if nikolos is

going to do something or pushes themselves better to receive those passes as well so when it comes to my final prediction I'm very torn I'm very torn on the winner yes I'm leaning towards okay C of course but you think it goes seven I think it has a strong chance

to go seven very strong chance to go seven very strong chance to go seven I'm torn on the length of the series at this point I'm not torn on the winner I'm gonna go down with the ship you guys can slander me if they find a way to lose I'm fucking sinking with them if they sink I'm I think okay C's winning for sure

I think okay C's winning I'm not asked for sure but I got them eventually winning in seven No, yeah, I'm sure Okay, see, I didn't think Denver was going to be in this round Yeah, like I thought if it wasn't If it wasn't for the greatest playoff choker Like they probably would have lost in round one

We all thought a series ago seven though So it's not that surprising they win a game seven Again, not me Again, I'm I'm surprised that they are in this position Because the games that they did win Or the key games Like you, the Aaron Gordon And Aaron Gordon put back dunk.

You have a game seven where you blow out the Clippers Insight. I can't believe this effort that they just got to walk in the game seven. And shout out to you. 100%. Like you got game one and you put the pressure on OKC. Problem is I've seen OKC win by 30 points, three times in six games already. They're going to blast so many people in this playoffs. You talked about the Warriors.

Maybe we could transition over there. it's like they're going to have they're going to go play play minnesota that series is going to be really fun well i'm putting the the tim wolves in there just because obviously subcary's hurt now and that that really sucks changes everything yeah we'll see if minnesota can capitalize because minnesota it's kind of the same thing as the boston south is they cannot hit threes either and so we'll see if they can if they can adjust but a series between the thunder and the um between the thunder and the wolves especially if ant rises or whatever or against all of those perimeter defenders, that's going to be fun.

Yeah. Oh, we'll see. We all have faith in thunder still. They have to get it done. They have to show they can execute. They're still relatively unproven, I guess. So it's in the air, but we don't have a problem saying we think they're going to be the team to beat out West still. Time will tell if there's ever anybody that can make us scared and make our logical predictions fail.

It's the best player in them being Nicole Yokic. So we will see. I agree. Let's talk about the Warriors, man. In game one, the Warriors beat the Minnesota Timberwolves, right? you hear that and you probably think oh they got nobody for Curry Curry went crazy

his brother scored went crazy that nobody for him so and so I said that Curry is going to have blood all over his hands during T3 live stream on T3. Turns out he has tears on his hands because he got hurt in a brutal fashion, brutal fashion for not to say brutal because he didn't fucking break his leg

but it's brutal in terms of timeline because his team currently so we'll say they won in game one they locked the Minnesota Timberwolves the fuck up like Donovan alluded to at what cost? The Timberwolves did have some three points shooting stuff that they just missed all their threes so that doesn't hurt help but they were so aligned on those threes because the golden state warriors defense shackled the paint like they're known

to do draymondie masterclass come on looney played really well jimbole defender really well they just closed in the timber wolves looked like a team that had a week off they looked insanely rusty and you have to go against a team as dominant interior as the golden state warriors they had nothing going offensively so the thunder so the warriors won despite not having step curry for over half the game because he suffered a grade one left hamstring and will be out for a week which probably means he'll miss at least game two in game three and then we'll see from there we'll see how his recovery goes but at the very least is out for the next two games which muddies things up if they had lost game one it would be okay they're absolutely fucked they're down one o to timbrewall already and now

they don't have curry they're going to go down three oh but they won game one so things are a little bit in the air because even if they go they lose both these games they're only down one too so i don't think they're fully out of it it's not a nail in the coffee often per se but it's not great it's not great at all agree thank fucking god that they got that win and it gives them stuff curry specifically more of a cushion to drag out this series but god damn if there's a team in the western conference outside of obviously like those other two in o kc in denver the golden state wars cannot have waste any time much longer because anthony edwards is eventually going to be bound for another star-studded superstar, like game offensively.

Like, he only has so many, like, 0 for 9, 1-4-7, 3-point games in them left in this series. Hmm. I, they might be cooked. The Warriors? I think so. Yeah, we have to pin how much he's off for you. Just because, like, not only is Steph hurt, but Jimmy, how healthy is that? right they're gonna they're gonna have to get some some wild jimmy performance because

by the time step got hurt german had four threes in the in the first half and it's like kill me now bro yeah like that that's that's gonna happen i'm so happy that we've gotten the buddy healed experience we've seen this movie before how how much longer do you think that you can rely on on buddy healed and so now going into game two going into game three we're at the Warriors honestly since they opened up Chase Center haven't been as dominant as home at home as they were whenever they were in Oakland now at Oracle it doesn't feel as impossible all those goddamn tech managers in there not cheering loud not putting on their t-shirts don't get me started on the t-shirts man I don't want to I don't want to start it real quick shout out to okay see

shout out to Minnesota y'all be putting on the t-shirts I really appreciate that makes the vibe great yeah them dudes in san francisco they think they're too cool to you know wearing their aloe to put on the t-shirts. I don't like that. Honestly, there's not much to say right now. It really comes down to how long stuff carries out. And are the Timberwell is going to be serious? They've played the last two games.

You know, game five, I guess it was, against the Lakers and they eliminated them. They weren't serious. They should have beat the Lakers by goddamn 40 with how bad the Lakers played, but the Timberwolves also missed all their shots in that game. So it's two games in a row now. They have played piss poor offensively, led by Anthony Edwards, not getting into the paint, missing a lot of layups, not playing his best basketball against the defense here.

is really good. So I think it's possibly sustainable that the Warriors are just really good at defending a slasher like that. We'll see they have to win game two and three. If they don't win in convincing fashion with Steph Curry out, that is a fucking atrocious sign. That'll be, that's honestly. That'll be probably the second most disappointing thing to happen this postseason outside of like the Boston Celtics blunder to me.

Yeah. I think one thing to look for in these next two games that is going to be very, very interesting. When we were talking about the wolves against the, against the Lakers, From game one, we're like, yo, Anthony Edwards, his decision making is up on another level. He was very, very crisp. And even though that he, like, especially in game one, even though that he wasn't scoring like 35, it was okay

because he's moving the ball, all the, all the passes that he was making led to really, really good actions. Golden State, I feel like they've been able to kind of get him to revert a little bit. And so now, and so now you're getting back to Anthony. Edward's, you know, mediocre decision-making, if he can get back to making the right play and making better passes to get everybody else in position to force Golden State to rotate and now you're getting good threes, that, like, you need that, Anthony Edwards. What did I tell you on stream?

When you guys are saying that there's no chance of Warriors win, I was like, I'll pick the Timberwolves, but I don't think there's no chance because in that Lakers series, the small ball defense worked at times. It just didn't work for the whole game because the Lakers' defenders ran out of juice and they're just not that good. But the idea of running the small ball frenzied unit that has the mobility to defend Ant with switches and to get under Rudy Gaubert

because he doesn't have the lower body strength to make them pay for different spurts. The idea of that type of defense worked. Ant didn't have the most dominant interior scoring for a lot of those early games. He cooked in the late game whenever Ruey and DFS had nothing going for them anymore. And we said, you know who does that way fucking better

because they have the best defender of regeneration at playing that style, the Golden State Warriors. So I think it's no coincidence. that they look bad offensively and I think the ant stuff is directly tied to that. The Lakers had no ability to guard him late game. The Golden State Warriors are perfectly suited

to see the parts of that worked and do that and not run out of juice because they have actual personnel to do that well. So I kind of anticipate that it'll continue to be a strength of the Warriors. It'll just be do they have the juice offensively to keep up because the Timberwolves defense even with Curry should be able to defend

them extremely well and that's why we pick the Timberwolves is that on the other end we think even if the Timberwolves are slowed down, their defense can win them this series. That shit better happen if no stuff carries there. You better be able to clamp them the fuck up or you guys have a rude awakening coming. I agree with you.

Now, I will say I did believe in the Warriors a little bit more than what you just said, but at the end of that I did lean towards the Minnesota Timberwolves for the simple fact that I don't know how impressive Jimmy Butler is going to be like we alluded to earlier. And I think this is why, times like this is why and when they traded for Jimmy Bowley If I ever say

y'all have a hyperbolic stance And we're talking about somebody Saying something is absolutely gonna happen Just no, I'm not talking to you I'm talking to the other guy What I said? What did I say? You are right He did say that shit

What did I say? You are that dude When it comes to leaning 100% one way And just the gets fucking over I'm sorry I'm confident in my pitch No no You said the Lakers are gonna win

In five last series, bro They cut that ass bounce And then he said the table was in five but no I we agree we're not not to say you were wrong we agree the timbers are going to win the series my bad for not being a fence sitter I'm not here no no I'm just saying we agree two rules we're all we're on the timibles we just think it'll be a longer series where the warriors have stuff going for him and I think this you see this game showed why that's the case but listen if step curry's going to be out you might end up being fucking right because

he might not have the juice time will tell yeah sad stuff man sad stuff what if they go down oh two that'll be crazy That would be embarrassing That would be even worse Than what's happening in Boston Yeah they don't have Steph Curry Way worse No no it would it would be

Because you Steph played like 13 minutes In game one He was fucking ass up too In those 13 minutes that he played He was He was killing Last playoff series To talk about before we move on

To talking about The teams that lost Pacers versus Cavs This is even more depressing Shout out to you Because you said You said Because no Mobli

No Garland, no Diadja Hunter In game two Isaac said If the calves are going to win Donovan Mitchell needs to score 50 He scored 48 and lost by one They needed 50 points From Donald Mitchell

To win by one TD3 Tuesday 6 p.m. Easter time I'm telling you You're not going to get that analysis Anywhere else You're telling you to be so old He was fucking trolling too Crazy Nah

No yeah There's not much to say about the series, right? It's just fucking unfortunate. The Cavs have their best regular season in NBA history, and they lose two all-stars to injury. It's not just they're losing missing players here and there. Everybody misses players. You're not ever fully healthy.

They're down two all-stars. It is insanely unfortunate. Like, all that work, all that time of them defending themselves and their style of play and whether or not they can win at the highest level, and they don't have a chance. They're down O2 now because Tyrese Halliburton, Just stab them directly in the heart with the game winning three. They probably should have won that game.

They also folded a big lead in that game. It looked like they were going to do the thing you're mentioning where Donald Mitchell carries them to the victory. And then they folded because they're under manned and Tyrese Halliburton hits the game winning three. They don't get 50 from Donald Mitchell. They get 48 and lose about one. Damn. If Garland and Mowley come back next game, then sure we could say,

okay, they have the personnel, they have the talent. We thought they could win in five before. They could come back and win now. We have so much unknown around those guys and when they'll be. be back i don't know how to feel optimistic about this team right now you can't you can't you you feel better about boston coming back against new york just because one they're the defending champs you know you know their personnel and them being as high the the potential of boston is like top top tier you know we talked about even the 24 team all time stuff being down 2 o going

back to indiana that's tough and i thought that you know before the series i thought indiana had enough answers. I thought that they had enough juice, especially with the way, and we talked about on Tuesday, with the way that NAM Heart is stepping up, I thought that they can make it a series. If you give them two games, I don't, like Cleveland's not, they're not going to win this series. Even if Mowgli, even if Mowgli and Garland come back, I don't think that they beat Indiana four out of the next five, even if they're fully healthy. I don't know, I don't know if I can say that. Right now, it's just so hard for me to have a conversation about the Cavs.

Yeah. When you're missing your All-Star and All-Star and All-Star and a defensive player in a year and Evan Mobley. And then you're also missing on top of that, too, one of the best trades that was made midway into the NBA season and DeAndre Hunter, who was one of the six-man of the year leading candidates. Like, it's just so hard to – how can I expect you to win when you're out there leading with guys like Sam Merrill and Max Truce and Ty Jerome as the backline help for someone like – yeah, I know. He's tied Jerome Ty Jerome in game in game two Well we all were like hey Ty Jerome Masterclass right

Tide Jerome legacy game Two points one for 14 Damn From the field O for four from three They almost made it happen They almost wall up here great They're winning a lot of this game

I remember after we got done recording The stream I was upstairs Watching the game when you came up And you're like Is that Devante Green on my screen right now You're like what the fuck is going on I said They had to dust off Devante Green

You know, hell not. But listen, they played well. Those small ball lineups that got to a lead. They were winning from Moses' game before they didn't expect to blew it at the end. Like, they got so close to, like, making the type of miraculous effort happen that you need when you're down in a series health-wise. Like, you need to pull something out like the Warriors that didn't in game one. When they won in spite of the injuries, they locked up and they figured out a way to win.

The Cleveland Cavaliers were so close to doing that. That's the type of thing that swings a series when you have unfortunate health going your way. now to be down too well and we think they're probably going to have the same health situation for game three or maybe even game four it just sucks I don't even know

like shout out the Pacers they played their game they won in the end it wasn't a great first two quarters but they clutched up they won Tyre's Halliburton you're a fucking goon I can't believe the overrated thing was crazy

none of us believe he's overrated it's lovely that he's having his moment to shit on everybody and do his big ball celebration after that just ridiculous slander that guy had to his name by his peers shout on him glad he's having his moment

outside of that shout out the Pacers for doing what they had to do to get past a team potentially that doesn't have a real chance with this health situation I remember before this series actually started I said the only way that the Pacers would win is if Donovan Mitchell's leg entirely like just

falls off like severes that bitch and then Evan Mobley's leg and then Donovan Mitchell's toe and then whatever happened to DeAndre Hunter. Oh shout to Aaron Eastman he's been hooping his ass off going like 17 a game locking up another playoff rising role player they have we talked a lot about the patients in recent weeks and how much you respect them

and how just like I always struggle to find the word here because if I was a fan of this team I would be immensely proud of their just style of play and doing it without superstar talent but just making a lot of good moves around the margins over the years accumulating a lot of good players

playing a style that empowers all those good players to have a role nobody pounds the rock they keep the ball moving they have a point guard whose specialties make another better it's just a style of play that you're glad to see succeed

shout out you if I was an NBA player player, the number one team that I personally want to play for is the Indiana You goddamn liar. You don't want to live in Indiana. Stop it. I don't want to live in Indiana but when it comes to play in basketball, hey man, I don't want to play that. I don't want to play that style of basketball because it's like they see what you do best and they're going to try their best to put you in positions. Brother, to make you look good. That's the truth. Do you see Obie Toppin? Do you see Eric Niske? Fuck out of my face. You'd rather play

that style of play in the Bay. We've been to Indianapolis for all start a weekend and you hated it. You would not want to live there a day. in your life. I just really like the way they play basketball. Shut up. You can say that. You would not want to play for the patience if you're going to be a player.

Yeah, listen, Paises, Nix, Eastern Conference Finals, we're getting our leg back. We're getting our leg back. You're lucky O.J. and Nobie's hamstring fell off the bone last year or else we would have won in seven in the second round.

We're coming back. Okay. And we're getting it. I hope the Caval Good Healthy and come back in the series. That's crazy. I saw a highlight tape of that. I'm sorry. I saw a highlight tape of OG

literally hopping on like one came into game seven hit two threes and then left because they tranquilized him with a raccoon meat yeah they they gave him every ounce of of the horse tranquilizes so he could try and play in game seven and that was just that was just sad yeah i remember that it's hilarious hopefully just the caps get healthy and come back in the series none of this is an indictment on their ability none of it is even in their diamond on their ability while being under man we saw in this game they could win they just didn't it's possible they win a game or two we just don't fucking know we just have literally nothing to go off of because we don't know who's gonna be on this team

This has been one of the best playoff series in round two that you've seen in a long time. Just consistent banger after banger after banger. Of course, there's blowouts. Happens always this nature of the game. But the amount of game winners and how close and intensifying each game has been, fantastic. And with that being said, that's the end of our coverage of these two series. Time for hour two with the show. Time for us to get to the title of this episode.

The thing we're talking about, let's talk about how to fix every single NBA playoff loser. You know? Let's get an RGM back. The first round is over. That means there's eight series, eight teams that went outside. We're talking about six of them. We're going to omit the Miami Heat

because they are just so far off that, who knows? They have to find star players, right? Like, not really interesting conversation right now. And we're going to admit the Pistons because they're just so young and there's not a big fix you need to do. They're hardly in win now mode,

like make the championship or fail. Like, they can keep going with their natural pace. They just got here. Other six teams have serious questions either on who they are right now, who they'll be in the future, both serious flaws that need to be fixed or they're going to waste the next few years,

whatever may be. We're going to talk about all of them and talk about big picture-wise what they need to address to come back and have a better chance at this time next year. Who are starting with? We are starting with the Houston Rockets.

We're going to start with the two teams that lost our first round since our last episode. They lost game seven against the Golden State Warriors. We can talk specifics. This series essentially went how everybody thought it would.

They're really, really good defensively, really athletic they would push the older veteran team and the golden state warriors to a game seven but by and large nobody had faith they would win that close win it all or go home game against the veteran savvy jimmy bowler and stuff curry they had lacked the half court playmaking lacked the shot creation lack the shooting up and down the roster that all came to fruition that's exactly what they fucking lacked everybody was right they were assuming to rely on jalen green variants they lost that battle more often than they want it what do you guys feel like is the number one thing of all the issues that we know we've we talk about them a lot what do you

you feel like showed itself most in the series on why they lost the i mean the number one thing is obviously bucket getting um and it's bucket getting from the perimeter because for them to really really be successful in in this series and something that they found over the second half of the year was obviously the now infamous double big lineup with single and with stephen adams and you're okay running that when it's like as effective but also you you want to get off at the rebounds but then also you don't want to because if you're getting offensive rebounds, that means that you're missing shots. And you'd rather they just go in on the first opportunity.

And if you can have more spacing on the floor, you would rather have that. Now, having more spacing is really, really key when you have somebody who can utilize that space that you are creating. They don't have anybody on their team who can really, really do that. Maybe a man grows and he starts, you know, developing a jumper, developing a nice in-between game to where he can really be looked at as a go-to score, but you have to get somebody who you can look at and say, you are a mainly

perimeter oriented guy and in any playoff series, forget 30. You can get us 21 a night. Yeah. They don't have that. And that should be Jaylon Green. And because of his inconsistencies, that is operation number one. Mo. Okay. So the debate is obviously should they go out and trade for a star guard or let their young core run its course, let them keep developing, not rush the process. process, not put themselves in a cap situation that will necessitate they win now if they don't feel like they're 100% there. Should they rush their timeline or stay the course and see

who can develop? What side do you fall on? Because I feel there's a lot of people that, especially Rockets fans that will defend the Jalen Green's the world, as you would say. And say, let's see who can become a star from who we have now. What side do you fall on? Should they trade for a star or should they run it back? Ha, man. That's a very interesting question. But I think with how they went out, you just can't go back and run the same course and believe in the Jalen Greens of the world. We all knew, like, what was going to happen. Before the season even started, I was obviously like the lowest on the Houston Rockets. I didn't have them making the playoffs clear cut.

I didn't have them as one of the top six, seven teams whatsoever. But to see what they did, we all respected them in hell. I even had them winning the series in seven. obviously that it happened and they went out in the most predictable way ever and because of how predictable it was you cannot go back into the into next year the exact statement yeah it wasn't a shock at all exactly it's the most it's the most predictable thing ever and because of the way that went out aka jailing green doing what he did and just absolutely like shitting the bed outside of that one game where he put up like 30 or 20 or whatever it was he averaged pretty much like nine points on

32, 33% shooting from the field, which is horrendous. You can't put the fate of your franchise on a guy who's that absurdly bad. Like, if he was to put up like 20 and was able to adjust to the defense that they're going and say words are throwing out with him, which of course, the warriors are, they're one of the toughest defenses that the NBA has to offer today. They're probably top two or three with this iteration of them. But still, being that unbelievably bad, along with all. all the spacing issues that they naturally have

with Sangoon running the double big lineup. Amen Thompson is at a certain place in this career where he doesn't have that. Jen and Green, you have to be gone. And that's just the truth of it. Yeah, I understand in most cases why teams don't want to rush or rebuild, right?

That's why we left the pistons off here because they see it through, see what happens. You're still so close. I mean, you're still so young in your process that you don't got to put unneeded expectations on yourself, right?

This is not that to me. I reject the idea that Warriors fans, I mean that Rockets fans say when they do that and they say Sangoon will become the top 15 player, he'll be our one option, Jalen Green will keep getting better, he'll eventually be good enough and consistent. I reject all of that. I don't think you can just will that to happen if you don't see the things come into place that to happen.

We saw that Sangun made the development. He's defending so much better than he ever did. Offensively, he is ready for the moment. He is consistent in you, in terms of as a creator, he will be there for you. You don't have to worry about him as a long-term piece. I also don't think he showed me that he's gonna be like a top 10 player that I can just put all my championship hopes

on him becoming Yokic like he's very very good and showed you way more defensive than you ever thought you still want to pair him with a guard that's as good or better than him if you want to have a championship ceiling

I think we've seen absolutely nothing to suggest Jaling Green will be that we've seen a lot from him in Thompson that we can say he can be an all star he showed us zero that he'll be that type of player in terms of late game bucket getter

which isn't always necessary it is necessary when you're playing through a man in San goon who aren't that you definitely clearly need that player it doesn't have to be a star it doesn't have to be devon booker but you need somebody else here that can create off the dribble that can do what fred van vleet did in those games you won but do it more consistently at a younger guy who can think doing that long term if it's not trading for a devon booker or kevin durant they need to trade for somebody they need to get in we always thought anthony simons in these talks and we talk about

other teams somebody that type of player somebody that can create off the dribble and give you scoring punch whether off the bench or in your starting lineup i would be so disappointed if they stood pat and ran back the exact same style of play. I think it would be nonsense. The only games that they won in this series were whenever Jaylon Green went for 38 and where Van Bleet was going crazy from three, if you can go and you can get somebody like a, uh, uh, Simons, that would be, that would be very, very ideal because then you can still kind of

keep the same rotation and the same, I guess, hierarchy of your team that you have right now. But also, surprise, this is what happens when you have a good young court. eventually you have to consolidate and you have to figure out these are going to be our three guys now we're going to build the team around them and and continue to get and continue to get role players this is this is ultimately the part the ending part of the process yes you have now you have now made the playoffs you were the two seed you want 50 52 games you know that the pieces that you have are good pieces and you know that you have all you have an all star in sangoon you have people who have all-star potential, you have to go now start developing around it because what you don't

want to do is get into a into a pissing situation where you have, you have great talent, but because of the pieces around them, they're not optimized. And you see what happens as soon as you got, you know, some shooters for Cave, he was able to take another leap. If you think that Sangoon is like that, if you think that a man is like that, now you have to go get the pieces around them to help them and their development flourish. Jalen Green is not. going to be that i think i think they should do the kevin around i think everybody else think they should do i understand the timeline concerns i think you're you have who keeps the damn about timeline is so that that conversation always and you mentioned uh this is the end of the rebuild

process end of the process correct yeah correct you identify what you have and what you don't you have everything you need to win at the highest level besides a go-to score you have the secondary score in sangoon you have the defensive anchors in a men and jabari for young guys you also have Tar Easton in there. Dylan Brooks played great. You have the point guard who can bring things together and be another secondary score in Fred Van Vleet's. You have literally everything you need. You can have the guys in the tuck that can develop into being whoever is needed once you inevitably have to let guys go for cost reasons. And maybe Cam went more and Reed Shepard, right? You have every single thing you need besides the guy. We did this team first because

it's the most obvious. You need to get the guy. I, Devin Booker would be great. I think they're not going to let Devin Booker go. Kevin O'Ran's going to be the best option at their disposal, barring a unforeseen guy becoming available. I don't know, if they decide to get rid of Tyler Hero or whatever it may be, then sure, there's other paths. The Kevin Grant path makes all the sense in the world. You'll maintain positional size. You'll get veteran leadership if that means something to you.

You'll get a guy who can be a good score on ball, be a good score off ball off of Sangoon. The fit is perfect to me. I agree with you guys. You're especially cooking when it comes to hating on the fact that some people out there want to give this young nucleus more time. The time in the NBA in terms of when you have your opportunity to win a championship is so wildly unpredictable. Sometimes there's certain teams that will have their run and they'll be in their dynasty era,

but obviously that's so incredibly rare. That happens like once in every 10 years. And then you have your teams like, I don't know, the Milwaukee books who strike once and they're able to take it home and win an NBA championship. Just one time. And then now their future is what their future. We'll talk about that later. For the Houston Rockets, you accelerated this process so fast and no one think you were going to be here. No one thought you were going to win 52 games.

No one thought you were going to be the number two seed in the Western Conference and have a top three, four defense in the entire NBA. Now that you have this time and you have also like the Dylan Brooks of the world who played fantastic in Fred Van Lee, although he was inconsistent, but played fantastic as well. We'd be so drunk. If we did like a drinking game, I'm like, we fried by. Now that you have this nucleus here, I think the most obvious thing is to trade for Kim Durant. I would do that too if the opportunity was presented. But if that's not the case too, and for Anthony Simons makes the most sense also. Simply because, okay, like, you don't sell off all of your assets.

And this isn't like the move that you cash in to do. And maybe you'll be able to retain someone like Reed Shepherd, who the fuck knows? Regardless of the end of the day, like something needs to change because you have. have an opportunity presented to your face. You just got to make the move. It's obvious. We can move on. There's just very clear.

They need to get the score. Everybody, the mainstream media is right, Rockets fans. You guys need the score. Sorry, I know you guys hate hearing that. Let's talk about another team that the mainstream media is right about. Milwaukee Bucks. Damn. How do we fix the Milwaukee Bucks?

Because, okay, so we'll say this. Obviously, this comes down to whether or not Yonest requests a trade. They, for us as wide NBA fans, I think the hope is, be honest request a trade just because they're not going anywhere with the Damien the Lillard injury. They're really their hands are tied. Unfortunate for them. We all kind of hope Yonis request trade so we can see Yonis

have a chance to win. Let's assume that doesn't happen. Assume we're going down a path of which Yonis decides to stay loyal which is very possible. He's shown no indication he wants to leave yet. To assume he doesn't. How can they fix this team? How can they put themselves in the best position to succeed next year with having $60 million dollar probably not going to be there all year? If I'm a Milwaukee Bucks fan, I'm not watching any YouTube channel.

I'm not watching any sports channel. I'm not going into any local barbershops or restaurants or anywhere where they like to talk about sports. Staying my ass home. I'm on the most absurd medications. I'm taking penicillins and all that. Damn. I'm on all that, bro. I'm on all that.

Simply because you are bound to be sick as fuck with what everyone's going to be saying this entire summer. And what, hey, that meeting between Janus and the Milwaukee Bucks happened, I think almost a week ago now, we haven't heard Jack shit. I'm sure something would have leaked about Janus maintaining or Janus staying on the Milwaukee Bucks for this for Sibu future. Nothing has happened. And I think that's for a fucking reason. The silence is loud as ever. Well, I don't know about that. Yeah, it can go either way.

I think for them, the most realistic path is to kind of do the same thing that they did last year, which is you try and you try and sign guys on the minimum and you try to feel around the margins just because you don't really have a lot of flexibility in terms of going out and getting quality quality players. Do you have a little bit more cap space now that you traded away, Chris Middleton? Yes. But I mean, you still have like good. You should have glaring, glaring holes, and the guy that you thought was going to fix

in Kyle Kuzma is clearly not the answer. You were relying on- Put his house on Verbo, Kyle Kuzma. Six points on 32% shooting from the field. Yeah, I'm with you. Like, if I was a Bucks fan, I'm staying inside, and I'm not, I'm just going to read a book. I'm not going to watch ESPN or anything. Or, like, I'm not listening to any podcast because they really, really are stuck.

I think this summer, their 2032 pick would become unlocked. I think when the new league year starts. So they have Detroit. second round pick this year, the 232 pick and Kyle Kuzma. That's what they got to work with. They'll probably try Kyle Kuzma, I think. I think after this playoff run, there's no indication he should stay. Brooke Lopez is a free agent. They, for their payroll next year, all they have is

Damon Lillard, Yannis, Kyle Kuzma, A.J. Green, Andre Jackson, then Chris Livingston, Tyler Smith. And then player options, they have Bobby Portis, Pat Content, and Kevin Porter. Yikes. I think Bobby Portis will poppy take that $13 million and opt in don't know about Pat Conantin or Kevin Porter That's only a few players They don't have a lot to work with

They'll have their mid-level exception I think I don't think they'll be in the tax anymore So maybe they'll have to access the full mid-level They can go out and try to get somebody with that That can be good Maybe they can try to Replace Brooke Lopez with a younger center Like Clinicapella or something

I don't know It's not a great free agency class They'll get somebody playable with a mid-level exception Probably a big Then they can trade Kyle Kuzma for Probably a guard right They need something if you're not going to have Dame for a year,

they're going to have to replace him with somebody. You have $20 million salary in Kyle Kuzma. Kendrick Nunn, welcome back to the league. And a couple picks, man. Damn it. Whoever's available, the best point in rather than available, I think that's what they have to do. They have to get some guard that can run the offense

and then use that middle-level exception, whether it's full or taxpayer to sign a center. And they have to hope that they can re-sign Gary Trent and Tony and Prince and they can give you just enough and Yonah's going to MVP and get you into the playoffs. Okay, so obviously success in the league is, a lot of times dictated on what expectations were going into the season, what would be, if the bucks got, if they won a playoff series next year,

and they got to the second round, got blasted, is that a successful year? Sure. Yeah, I guess because they're in a situation now where they can't do anything and everybody knows that. Is Janus just being on the team? Is that just, that's the success? If Yonis is here next year, it's simply because he wants to go down as a legend and he's okay with not being relevant in terms of team success-wise or having any type of playoff picture hopes,

he's okay with that and wants to wait it out and be down for the team. If that's the case, we're not going to talk about them much next year because they will have no desire or ability to win. It'll just be,

hey, we got Janus and he likes being here. We like having them here. So any idea of playoff picture is irrelevant to me. If you're telling me they win a first round series and lose the second round, great.

They should win zero first round series next year. So if they win one, happy go lucky, we're having a great time. That's the best outcome and scenario for the mock you books. front office ownership fans and all that and i think that's yeah that's the best possible scenario

for them but is that actually going to happen i don't fucking know something because that sounds like a dream of them signing useful players although and even the end also like still retaining someone like doc rivers i think he needs to they need to tear everything now he's staying he's staying there you're really good now if we're being real if we're done being realistic let's talk about how to actually fix this team and what we would do you got to trade honest i think they're not going to do it They're not going to be preemptively the ones to trade Yannis. They're going to, if I was a Bucks fan, I could know. If I was a Bucs fan, I wouldn't be hoping this guy, I'd want Yonis to be here forever.

As somebody who does not care about the fandom element of this and wants every team to make smart decisions, I hope Yonest requests a trade for the Bucs own sake. And I hope they can do something around either another star package, like for a Jalen Brown, if the Sout was going outside, or a three-team deal where they send Yannis to somebody, and then somebody sends great assets to the Pelicans, and the Pelicans send their picks back to the Bucks. they need to do something of that sort. The only path they're being relevant

four years from now is a honest trade. I think that's, yeah, that's the only way out. Three team deal where you either get, you either get a lot of picks from a team that has a bunch

like somebody like, who has all those sons, like the Rockets, I guess if we're going back to them, getting a star, they have a lot of picks from various teams. They have sons picks, they have their own picks.

You cast a wide net and get a bunch of picks that aren't your own and you tank through that and hope those become good or you do a three-team deal and try to get your own picks back. But they have,

have to tear it down if they really want to be serious yeah a team in my mind who just has a bunch of like random ass second round picks are the washington wizards hey man if you want to do some make some happen i guess so oh god god that's just like disgusting talking territories that we're having right now but overall i agree um a couple streams ago which was on ironically at t t t t t t t t t tuesday 6 p m easter time don't know if you guys knew that um we were talking about how they're at the will of the new warrants pelicans and they completely determine their future i don't i think david griffon got fired just like last two weeks ago or something like that so i don't know who the gm right now is but whoever is in charge that they have they completely control what

happens with the Milwaukee bucks because if you're not able to retain your picks back then trading yon's damn they're pointless unless like you are in the best case scenario and you are able to get to like semi all-star level players for Yonis and it's like okay you can say a flow but other than that

Yonis for Zion Trey Murphy and release the pick swaps so we get to have our picks back in those years or you currently have a pick swap who says no if Yonis requests

trade who says no if I'm the New Orleans Pelicans with all that you've been through and how your team is set up I try to keep someone like Trey Murphy I don't know how it works

off cap wise but I try to keep someone like Trey Murphy because Yonis and Zion have obviously similar play styles in terms of you're bullying to fucking

no you're trading Zion Yeah, you trade. No, I'm saying like if I was a, my bad. I'm saying if I was the Pelicans, I would keep, I would, um, want to. Sure. Yeah. It's Zion. It's, it's Janus.

You can't keep your good players. Yeah. Listen. One guy is, you know, one guy finishes in the top three in MVP voting every single year. And the other one, you don't know his availability status. I want to make it work. I wish it could have worked out. Yeah.

Get away. Sorry, Trey. If, if, if. Upgrading from Zion to Janus to cost Trey Murphy, sorry, Trey, get ready to speak cheese curds. We're going to Milwaukee. Yeah, like it, and it does, it does suck for, from Milwaukee because, like, for it to just end like this and going outside with the playoff loss with dames injury, you obviously never want to see it. But yeah, if you're doing what's best for the organization, you are going to have to move off because we've seen too many times teams hold on to hold on to play. miss the window of maximum value and then now you're in this very middle ground.

And for a team like Milwaukee, you know exactly how they have to be good. You have to draft well. You have to make smart trades early and get in on the ground floor of a lot of things. And so maximizing value for your players at the time, that's the only way it's going to happen. All right. So again, for the bucks, it's simple. It comes down to the Yannis question. and there's different paths

if Yonis requests a trade I think it should be assets and getting the ability to restart back if Yonis doesn't request a trade you rid your hand of expectations and you have fun next year

that's how you fix them you fix your expectations not the team itself look in the mirror have conversations themselves start journaling more now let's go to another team that recently lost

the game seven the Los Angeles Clippers how do we fix the team that is currently led by James Harden who has re-entered conversations people are relitigating the idea that James Hardin is

the greatest choker in him be a history. That's all people we're going to talk about all summer. Whether it be good or bad or deserved,

you can decide. It's going to be the conversation. Kauai Leonard, who will give you one insane game every three weeks in which people

will be like, I told you he's Kobe Bryant, I told you he's better than Shaigold's Alexander. And then I'll go back to being over 30 years

old, legs out from him, best years behind him. You can't consistently give you top in production. Those are two best players. They have some great role players around

that that led them to a great season, but I think you're pretty, pretty hamstrung to your nucleus of those guys. It's those two, it's Zubach, and it's everybody else.

How do you put the team over the line to win it all next year? How do you fix them, Donovan? You book Kauai Leonard a flight to Germany. Okay. And you get him whatever Super Soldier serum he needs for his need.

Because this team is not, like, they are not a championship favorite. And I think that there were spurts and there were times whenever Kauai Lander was scoring, you know, 30-something points a night. Yeah. I'm not even saying that.

When he had one of the best playoff games that he's ever had, there were times where you could look at the clippers and you could squint your eyes and you can say, oh, they can actually do it. But they just, they just don't have enough. And so I think for them, if you're talking about the basketball side of it, you probably just do what you've been doing for the last three, three, four years, which is I'm going to pray that I'm going to pray that Kauai Leonard is healthy enough and that he can elevate to a certain level and we are going to try and maybe get a little bit more more shooting

more playmaking maybe swap out like the norm power aspect to try to get somebody else who has you know who can be a little bit more consistent in their on ball scoring but for them what they did this offseason I think macro picture with the clippers the biggest thing for them and I'm it's going to sound like I'm joking I'm 100% serious You keep rocking with this because this team is competent and this team is a team that can continue to just build the ground layer of culture. You just got this new arena. The wall was a success. All of that is really, really good.

There's no need to blow it up or tear it down and do anything. And now your team just sucks. I love what you said because they're pretty much forced to do that because they don't own any of their picks or they don't own any control of their picks until the year, 23rd. That's when it resets, and that's when they have the ability to dictate what they have. And if there's any team in the NBA that needs to, like, hone in on identity and just start to build something, it's the Los Angeles Clippers for all the things that you said. If I were them, Zubot just came into the scene as one of the best, one of the better bigs that the league has to offer. At the start of the year, I remember, we were all like, damn, bro, these guys are kind of on. I said 12 feet, I think.

Yeah, they're kind of on the edge. And there, can you imagine? we all talked about like the worst case scenario happening for the NBA which is okay the clippers missed the fucking playoffs and on top of that to okayc owns control of their pick for the next several years and the clipper the okayc ends up having like the first overall pick or second overall pick and whatnot so they just need to stay put in building watch but continue to build on what they have no they don't oh yeah can build what they have they don't they can make a big move this so everyone's like underrating that they have the salary of norm

Powell, 20 million, and the salary of Bogdan Bogdanovich, 16 million with a player option for the year after that. So they have $36 million of expiring salary. They can trade the 2025 first-on pick of the Oklahoma City Thunder, which is the last pick of draft, you know, probably, but that's something as well as a 2031 pick. So they can package two first-on picks. One of them is a future pick in which your team, who knows who's going to be on it. So that's probably pretty valuable to some teams. And $36 million in salary. They can get a meaningful upgrade to this team. They are not there to win a championship But there's a reason we were talking about them

As being able to win the first round They were dominant for the second half of the year When Kauai is there At this point all they can do every year Is pray Kauai will be there So all you can build for is the perfect scenario In which he is available for the playoffs Whether it's likely or not

They can get a meaningful upgrade there To be here next year They still have Chris Dunn under salary for several years Still have Zubotch and still have Derek Jones Jr. Their best role players are going to be there for years They can swap out these two two guys and get somebody meaningful there probably another two-way player

probably another guy that can hopefully give you some scoring for when Kauai isn't there in the regular season I kind of like their outlook in that regard I don't know if I if I love their outlook

I mean okay I don't love their outlook in general before the Clipper standards and their scenario where they're locked in this team I like their ability to be better of this, a better version of this team next year and that's why I said if they were going to do anything

they just have to get some more some more onball creation some more on-ball scoring juice because like norm powell had he had games with in in the players you're like oh this is rough yeah like this is this is awful and boge bogey also had games so you're like this is rough like this this sucks and so swapping those two guys out to to have somebody alongside kawai to where quai and quai didn't play bad in the in the series but you want to see kawai score 28 29 30 points consistently that may not be where he's at in his career So can we get 23 from Kauai and a consistent 23, 24 from somebody else?

And then you really, really don't need James Hardin to give you 20 in a game 7, right? If you can minimize the amount of scoring that you need from James Hardin going deeper into the postseason, that would be the best option. They could get another wing that can be an offball 3-and-D punch that they want, like a Cam Johnson. They could probably get him with that package. if the Nuggets want to make big moves if Michael Porter Jr. is available they can afford him. They can do something like that or they can go for another guard with

like you said on ball punch. Maybe if the Grizzies want to tear some shit down and Deson Bain's available in a three-team trade, they can go for that salary-wise. They have a lot of options for a wing that can do some offensive stuff with the ball in his hands. And I think that's the answer for them. I think you continue to go all in because you're stuck going all in regardless

like Mo said for the next several years. You blow some more picks and you go get another player, a two or three that can do stuff like that. I agree, like just, this season was a massive success for them. No one believed that they would get to this point. Obviously, expectations started to change and rise once you all started realizing, oh my God, like, this is literally one of the most elite defenses that the NBA has to offer. You were hammering on that a couple weeks ago, Isaac, in our predictions episode.

And obviously, things didn't happen the way we envision them happening. They're out and they're at home and they're on their couch. No one thought, or none of us thought Denver was going to prevail, but they did. it is what it is at this point like you said i love the idea of trading if they're able if they're allowed to trade away one of those swaps from okayc cool or if they just end up trading away that 2030 or 2031 pick cool do that as well just you have a solid base and foundation for the first time in a long time yeah they can trade on draft night by the way that that's the how it works is that that pick that they swapped after okayc swaps on draft night they can start to trade it so

it would have to be a trade exactly exactly that's the only way of like actual growth outside of like interior or internal growth in someone like Zubach becoming hell maybe a top five center in the NBA next year but they have the pieces in place so if you can get one more piece of juice there with those salaries I think that's as close to a fix as you can get because they were close to making the second round right it comes down to them not performing this in the game seven they're not far away so I think one more piece is a good spot for them I agree they have I like Cam Johnson too there I think that'd be a good fit. It's going to be insanely interesting to see how they perform next year because

James Hardin, by the time the season starts, Kauai is going to be 34, James Hardin is going to be 36. And so obviously you have these two guys, you have health concerns with the 34-year-old, you have playoff concerns with the 36-year-old. You would hope that they can get a little bit younger and get some more juice there. But that, I don't know. I need to take some time off from Clippers talk because they frustrated me. Let's talk about a team that I'm sure you have plenty of thoughts on. How do we fix the Memphis Grizzly's biggest problems? What do you identify as the reasons they lost in the first round?

And how do we put them in a better position to not lose that reason next year? This might be the longest part of this segment because they have like a laundry list of issues. Literally starting from top to bottom, we could talk about their head-cilt situation. We can talk about how John Moray and him being consistently inconsistent in terms of his health. We could talk about Jerry Jackson, Jr., and the legitimacy of him being a one or whatever two options, however you view him, and how insane he just, like, drops in the playoffs. So many questions to be answered, and I damn remember don't know where to start other than, like, okay, how well, how much do you believe in Jha? And is he, do you trust in him continuously to be the guy? Okay, Donovan, which one of those issues do you think are the ones that need to fix?

um okay so i guess i guess i guess we can start with the with the job thing i getting getting another another like for real for real score so like obviously the the trade that there's only one there's only one kd to go around the league right but like and that's kind of like the the perfect mock but somebody liked that because you you got to the playoffs and you obviously job stuff there you don't know how consistent uh jaron jackson junior and his scoring is going to be in the playoffs there's that so after all of that you are left with desmond bain being you know either one a or you two score and he's he's a good player right but do you do you want to have a little bit higher of a floor from from an all ball creator in the event that ja isn't there like that's the

that's the place where i think you probably are going to be able to make the most meaningful upgrade and that was one of the reasons why if jimmy butler wasn't like yeah i'm not going to memphis why they were kind of involved in that because you wanted somebody else who can create for them for themselves and keep the offense moving and doing all that stuff so that would be the main area that you would probably try to target if you're there yeah they have a lot of i don't even think they're super flawed roster you sit up and down the roster like they have great depth they have good wings they have a good big group i think i like zakity long term they have Jerry and Jackson to play a lot of center minutes.

They obviously are the team best equipped to find more diamonds in the rough every single year. They found Scottie Pippin Jr., who looks like he's going to be their backup point guard for a long time. They find Jay Huffs every day. They fight all these guys, right? We don't really have to worry about their ability to have depth, I think. And they re-signed their interim coach long term.

He's going to be there to stay. Hopefully that bodes well for John Morant because the question that is going to be on everybody's mind in terms of like click bait, what's next is John Morant and whether or not they decide to continue this experience or check out because of the variance that comes with playing through him, I think they probably will give it at least one more year. I don't think you fire Taylor Jenkins if you're not picking jaw in that exchange, right? At least on the surface, it seems like the biggest reason for the Taylor Jenkins firing amongst other things is not maximizing John Morant. Firing him signifies, you want to maximize John Moran and put

somebody in there that will make him feel better long term, right? Get the most out of him? That isn't screamed to me we're going to move him this summer. So I don't think that's going to be a realistic conversation they have and if you have good depth you have your star player and Jaron Jackson is you're going to be your second star player you're probably not going to move him

the only logical path is try to get that third guy and have better star power up top to give yourself a higher floor outside of just the depth right and you're right it's probably it doesn't bain trade it's probably either Kevin Durant

or who else might become available but they clearly don't have the top end talent to compete I think that's the one thing that Zach Lowe talked about and made everybody look around after that playoff series is this is your

five or four of this core, these guys aren't good enough against the other team's top guys when you have equal depth, equal coaching, their star power simply isn't there. They're paid like a big three. They're not a big three. And that's not Jaron's fault. It's not Desmond Bain's fault. They both just don't have enough juice when Jabba Rancher, number one. Sounds like number three guy got to go.

We got to figure out who's going to be that guy in there, doesn't bane's place. And it sucks because, well, it sucks for them because you look around the conference, mainly from OKC and you see a young big three. between Shay, Jdub, and Chet. And that's kind of the archetype of how you would want to build a big three in terms of skill sets, overlapping skill sets, covering up weaknesses, stuff like that. And it's great, it's perfect.

And, like, I hope that those three can play together for the rest of their career with Memphis. You're trying to get to that. And we talked about it as they were going out. When you start going up and down the conference for next year, where do they slide in at? Because you're going to have OKC, Denver, is going to be in the mix with Yokic.

Let's say Houston, even if Houston State stagnant, their defense is still going to be good enough. So the Clippers surprised everybody. Like, is there enough juice to get to the second round and instead of you lose them by 50 points in a playoff game to the Thunder, can you come back next year, be in that situation, and go toe to toe? You know what would be the best case scenario for them? What?

If the Celtors go outside and they have to change up a lot of stuff because of the looming second apron, they can swap desmond bain more salary and whatever assets are needed for jalen brown that would be so fucking perfect having a jalen brown guy there next to jaren jackson and jaw now who knows what's going to happen with the south i'm not saying they should go out go out and get jailin brown but download tune it's like yeah yeah blow it up no i'm not saying that but that type of player is what they need they need a guy in desin bain spot who can really just be better on both ends i need to to expel whatever draft passes they need to get a better wing there.

And again, this comes down to who's available, but identifying a two-way wing or off-guard that can be a legit star-caliber guy that can give you more high-end talent, to me, that's the clear move. And they had the depth to consolidate. They can afford to get rid of some young guys because they have a lot of guys in tuck. They don't even get a lot of minutes now. Vince Williams is supposed to be their starter. Wasn't even playing a lot of this second half of the season.

So they have the ability to shed some depth and still be relatively deep next year. it's similar to the Houston Rockets I think Star Consolidation Trade is clearly what they need. Yeah, I agree with you. Luckily for them they have all their assets still pretty much I think they've realized a lot of the things we've been saying

just now, like years ago. I remember when they initially tried to trade for someone like Macau Bridges and offered, I think the Phoenix Suns or something like that like a boatload of picks like four or five first round picks. They know that they're like juice deficient from that range and i think another option that could be available yo i agree with you jeline brown

would be a fantastic fit but if they wanted to go even bigger and hell even lighter to go ahead and share for someone like larry marketing because who the fuck knows what what utah is doing they're not up to shit they completely like made him irrelevant last year after he had a miraculous all-star year i think that's another guy who i love this a lot of money now he does It's like $48 million or something crazy. He's expensive. It's a move to consolidate, though. He's expensive.

You know who else makes a lot of money that they have the assets for and the perfect scenario in which it becomes available and have the perfect big man to fit with him and give him the stretch fine while having double shot blockers. Brazingis. Yana Santinacumpo. Oh, shit. And then you have him as your best player and Jaron Jackson's your second

best player. If the fit doesn't work with Jha, you can ship him for somebody else because you have Yana Santinacupo. They got to get creative. They got to get creative because all these issues stem from the top up not from the bottom

So Janus in Memphis Aside from basketball The amount of content That would He's so great and grind It would be It would be natural Dude that jersey on Janus

That would look so natural I mean listen It would Yes the jersey nice It would go platinum But like But it would go platinum On Janus

Patriots is what he said Could you imagine Like Janus Like waving the towel yellow whoop that trick. Oh my God. No, no, no, no. I can't do it if I want to.

So it needs to say, I think a lot of times you talk about how to fix a team, the media always goes to get a star, get a star. And in some cases, that's not always the correct path. I do think that's the correct path

for the Grizzlies. They have to make a ceiling play. Before you do the Jamarant, blow it up, go new direction thing, you have to do one more ceiling play to see if you can get the best version of John Morant with the star that fits him.

I think it's Kevin Durant. I think it could be honest if you're going all the way, pie in the sky, whatever may be. they are in a position to get another star. Now, let's talk about a team that is not in a position to get a star,

but does, it is in a position that need to fix some goddamn shit to Los Angeles Lakers. How do we fix the Los Angeles Lakers after the biggest disappointment of the playoffs, which they lost in five games

to the Timberwolves that was so surprising because pretty much the entire immediate landscape picked the Lakers to win that series. It was accepted that they have a good pat to get to the conference finals as a ceiling at the very least

would win the first round. They did not. They are a flawed team with so much to do goes without saying getting a center is number one. Yes.

They need to have a playable center so they can have a playable scheme that has the baseline competence. We don't have to dive into that. If they can get in a Claxton

for the Dalton Connect package, great. Maybe they have to sign at Klincapella and have to, as a worst-case scenario with their taxpayer mid-level exception.

That has to be the number one thing to fix them. Outside of that, besides the obvious, what else do they have to do? Because they don't have, they're not get a third-star type of scenario there get a lot of good players around lebron and around luca figure out who is

going to be your nucleus going into the next era after lebron with luca donchich what do you think needs to be done besides getting a center getting a trainer next to lucan making sure that listen to this so you feel like lucca's the biggest thing around fixing the lakers yeah because it's it's two different conversations and we've talked a lot about the warriors having two timelines. The Lakers are really in like a two timeline or two two path. I think they're on the one singular timeline, but there's two ways to go about it because how long are you going to put this amount of onus and pressure on LeBron and how much and how long are you going to be dedicated to that? Because while LeBron can be Super Soldier Dremong Green, Super Soldier role

player and do it and do all this stuff, there is also like, you know, moving into the Luca Dodgers era and going all in. And I have to. honestly, do I want LeBron on my team until he can't play anymore? Yes, I do. But LeBron has a, he, his contract requires you to pay him a lot of money. And so like that money can be put into into other resources. So I think like if you, if LeBron is going to be on the team, you saw it this year. He can, he can go crazy for a 30 point game. If that happens, next game he's probably going to get 17, the hell of screens, do all that stuff. and Luca and his conditioning and, you know, whatever that conversation is,

you want to be able to have spurts and have long stretches where you are seeing the Luca donchurch. And there were times where you saw it this year, and there were also times where you're like, hey, Luca doesn't look like, like Luca, you talked about it all the time in terms of his aggression and his ability to get downhill and get to the rim and get to the paint and creating paint touches.

The center thing is just, it's so obvious. We knew it when they made the deal. We saw it in this series. You have to get that because that is an integral part of Luca's game is having a vertical lob threat to have that release and force whoever is guarding him in the paint to have to make that decision. So that's the number one thing.

All of this in my mind revolves around Luca. Yeah, and it's about putting him the best position to succeed and obviously he has to do his part, getting the best shape of his career and all that. Who knows, we'll see where he goes. He can still be great without that. But if he wants to be best playing the world, we know he has to lock in a little bit, they need to do a better job of building a team that

not only he can succeed in, but that optimizes him, that covers his weaknesses, accentuates his strengths, that starts with the role man, that can not only set screens and roll and give him that vertical spacing, we all know he needs to maximize his playmaking and get back to the 10 assists game type of range, but also give him a rim protector behind him, so his defense isn't quite as much of a focus because there's somebody to cover his ass. Hopefully that could be Nick Claxton. That was clear. They have to resign Dorian Finney Smith and I think they can't be done there. They had to continue to surround Luca Donchich with good defenders. We know what LeBron did as a defender this year and how important that

was. It's only so many years you can continue to rely on him to have that much energy defensively. There's a conversation to be had around Austin Reeves and the duplicative skill set and whether you're better off trading him for somebody of equal caliber that is more complimentary. We can talk about that. But I think the other easy thing is you probably got to trade Rui Hachimora for a more defensive-oriented player. He had a good year. He's, has good rapport as a finisher defensively he's not good especially off ball he certainly doesn't cover for luca defensively he's not a wing stopper that can give luca the weakest assignment any play you want to find your p j washington and i think trading ruy and whatever i guess gave vincent as

well for salary combining those two with whatever other picks you can that is pretty important i think you think they could go hit up nico harrison and give p j washington too he might listen go get Daniel Gaffer and go get PJ Washington and go get Derek Lively and go get Nick Dante Exum and go to the Cairo Irving and go get Clay Thompson. What's funny is I like that's the that's the strategy because the maps were they were cooking. Yeah. They were cooking before they traded Luca.

And so you can take old reliable, right, dust it off, whether it be THT and a pick, Thty in a pick, DLO in a pick, take whoever at the pick and get some bench depth at the at the center position because right now. I mean, they were, you had, you had some not great guys playing, playing center for, for the Lakers. And the Mavs in one off season, or in six months, whatever, were able to get Daniel Gafford and Derek Lively. That changes the entire complexion of the team. If you can do the same thing here where you have two big that you can play 28 to 30 minutes interchangeably and always have, always have a live catcher, always have somebody there for Luca. That's key.

Exactly. Yeah, I agree with you guys. the name of the game when he comes to talking about a player of Lucas Calibur is maximizing they don't have to do anything next year they could roll into the same one with the same lineup and just stumble into 50 wins just because Luca Donchit and LeBron James together are just like that great of a duo alongside Austin Reeves but I agree with you guys overall you guys cover it all ends Austin Reeves I think that conversation needs to for sure be had I'm not 100% sure on him being sold

or not. I think we did a TikTok segment and I was like so quick to trade Austin Reeves because it was a TikTok segment. I was clip farming. You guys know how the game goes. But in general, the conversation genuinely needs to be had and I'm not saying like he's thrown in every conversation, but I definitely am listening to a lot. Yeah, I think if you can get the, if you can use him as a conduit to get somebody that's as good or better than him as that's a long-term fit with Luca Donchich, I'm okay with it. But I'm not okay with like people that want to trade him just because like he shit himself in the playoffs clearly he can't be here long term i don't want to overreact to anything but if it's to get a long term really good wing and it's austin riggs plus whatever

assets are necessary to make up that value or a great big like a jared allen or whoever else we've theorized over the years as a good fit then that's fine you can you can keep your options open with austin raves but there doesn't need to be a rush at all because he's not a star but he's damn close to it offensively for a player who doesn't make star money you know like he's not Anywhere close to Kyrie Irving But in that role As a secondary ball handler He can do a lot of that value

You get from an off ball guard Like Kyrie in that year last year Austin Reeves or Tyler Hero Which one you want? Austin Reeves Is a third of the money Austin Reeves This who's the best player

Just curiosity I guess Tyler Hero is better But it's I mean that's a little relevance Because in practicality Of making that kind of trade No nothing you do with try I'm just like genuinely curious

I'm like damn Who is better between these I guess if they're making the same money I guess Tyler Hero But that's pretty close Yeah I think the The interesting thing this all season,

and aside from just like archetypes of players, it's just who they bring in because it was very clear last season whenever he signed the contract. But as soon as this year started, it was like, yo, Dilo's out of here. Like, J.J. Reddick hates D'Angelo Russell. He's going to be out of here. In the playoffs, JJ only trusted like five or six players.

And so who are going to be the guys that JJ, you know, eventually brings in? and can you can you get to the playoffs and have seven guys that the jj reddick trust have eight guys and at least a solid rotation of players that you feel that can actually play you know meaningful minutes in a series that is going to be one of the more interesting things to see i you know as the team evolves and has more of jj reddick's imprint especially with luka moving forward putting this core out who does he trust what types of players does he want to bring in and how what is his vision for this team

I'm very curious to see how that plays out yeah TLDR they need to get a big they need to get more defenders they need to reshuffle

their entire roster to fit Luka Danchich and replicate what the Maver's able to do with him however by whatever whatever means necessary trade all the picks

trade all the young players convince Luka Dantche she wants to be here long term this summer I agree and if you're drawing up trades and get them a third star

you need to get the fuck out of your imagination because they do not need a star third star is hilarious not with Luca no okay last team we want to talk about the Orlando magic how do we fix this god-forsaken offense so there's there's two ways there's two ways that you can do this and i think one of them

if we did it this season it would be a little bit premature the first one is you you go out you get some you just get shooters and anybody who and if you've seen them shoot 40% in a season before you sign them i don't i don't question's asked no question what it is the other is do you start looking at at Jamal Mosley and and making some type of of a change at the coach again I think that that is a year premature before we have real real real real conversations only because this season Palo was hurt for a majority of the year Franz was hurt for a majority of the year can you finally have the season where they're both healthy all of that but you have you just have to have a release valve because if if you're going to put the ball in Palo's hands

He needs shooters around him. That's one. Two, if Franz isn't going to be a shooter, then you need more space. Yeah. And that's why. I think there, to me, it's very simple. You get the guy on screener now. You go get Chris Osboros.

You go get somebody like that. You have your core. Jalen sucks, Palo Mancaro, Franz Wagner. Those three will start next year for you. KCP will probably start for you because you need shooters, and he's theoretically supposed to be your great shooter. You'll give him time to bounce back. The only other place for us to add the spacing everybody wants,

He's the center position. They got to move hell on earth to get a stretch five. Hopefully for their sake, the Celtics have a no shed salary and it can be KP. That's pretty realistic. Whether you're not, you believe in his health and want him to be the guy is another question,

but beggars can't be choosers. They need to stretch five more than need goddamn oxygen. That is the only answer to them getting consistent spacing. So that is non-negotiable. Wendell Carter Jr., Jonathan Isaac, whoever may be, needs to be shipped out for a stretch five. Maybe you can try to figure out the money

for a signing trade for Miles Turner if the Patriots don't keep him but I think they will keep him whoever it is please get a stretch 5 and then get a backup point guard that can shoot we've always had Anthony Simons for years

that would be great but it doesn't even got to be quite as rich as that it can be Jordan Clarkson it can be anybody of that sort we're talking about Colin Sexton at the... Colin Sexton would be great

but I want something even more of a shooting threat than Colin Sexton because you're going to have Suggs as your starter the Anthony Black Cole Anthony minutes Gary Harris minutes

all these guys on the bench that are good defenders that can theoretically shoot one open. None of them are dangerous enough of a shooter. Your starting five isn't going to be the best shooting five in the world regardless because Franz is seemingly never going to be a shooting threat.

And as Palo can shoot, but he's not, you know, like this crazy floor spacer. It really comes down to Suggs, KCP, and hopefully he stretch five. You're going to need to have bench guys that when you bench one of these wings to run lineups with one wing plus bench,

they have elite spacing around them. So you need to have, basically you've got to replace Colin Anthony for a sharp shooter. Yeah, I agree. shooting in general, but that is definitely like preferable. If we're talking about from the guard spot, I'm hitting up all teams who shit just didn't go right for.

I'm starting with the Utah Jazz, of course, and we're having similar conversations, whether it be Colin Sexton or Jordan Clarkson. I'm hitting up to Norrance Pelicans, and I'm like, yo, Sacher McCollum looks like he has his priorities elsewhere. I heard he works at the NBA, PA, and he's not doing necessarily what you guys want him to do

on the court consistently. get him in our hands okay that's not the case fucking hit up Washington bro and see if they'd be willing to give up someone like Jordan pool because he'd be also a picture perfect fit fit okay cool if none of that fucking shit happens hey another team that's imploding in front of our eyes of Milwaukee bucks and I'm gonna I'm gonna somehow get Brooke Lopez onto that court and let him fucking shoot threes now go on there minimum

that's what they wouldn't that it'll be better with him on the court along compared to Winnie Carter Jr. No Brooke Lewis is cooked Brooklyn is cooked, cooked, cooked. Not going to come to shooting. Nope, he's cooked. We're not getting for Lopez in his team. Fuck no.

They need some shooting, bro. DeAngel Russell, free agency, could be an interesting name for getting him into a six-man rule if he doesn't have a robust market and he can't get starter money. That could be a good fit. You need a second, a playmaker like him would help too, but he's a pretty good off-ball shooter as well. That would be helpful. God, we're in the pits.

I don't think that's the pits. I think a six-man, DeAngel Russell can be a couple piece. When you're where the magic are, there's no pits when it comes to shoot. And like, obviously you don't want Delo to be like the third leading score on your team or somebody that is going to have the ball in his hands in crunch time. He's still a good NBA, like a solid. Yeah, he can back up jail and stuff. That's perfectly fine. He's better than what they have.

I agree. They need to do something similar to what the Detroit Pistons did last year in terms of assigning guys like Tim Hardaway Jr.'s and Malik Beasley's and Tobias Harris. Yeah, which that could be. That could be touring and Prince and Alec Berks. usually they fill that bench up and down the roster with veterans who can shoot if you did DeAngler Russell and Tori and Prince

shout out Alex Berks man He stayed with a check He stayed with a job He knows how to get paid Has to be a great guy Just has to be like ultimate locker room That presence They could sign Tori and Prince

Gary Trent and Daniela Russell That's what the reason That'll make them much better Obviously we're not like Putting high expectations on them They're just the Disney World version Of the Milwaukee budget That's very part

That's what they need to do though They have Those aren't long term answers but they need short-term answers so they can see what they have with these two wings and put them in positions to succeed.

But again, it really starts to stretch five. Like, it's always tough. We've been saying so the Pelicans for years. You need a stretch five. It's easier said than done, but you're not going to trade Franz.

You're not going to pull that type of extreme reaction out of the season. So the only way Franz is going to be able to be the co-star with Palos, I think if you have a stretch five. So we're ready to get rid of some picks and probably get somebody that's not worth the picks you've got to give up,

but it is 100% necessary. Get ready to speak, Brooke Lopez, buddy. No, it's probably going to be Chris Osbergis, and they're going to have to pray to God that he's healthy, but just hope this is back to back years, the Franz is shot under 30% from 3. Yeah.

The microscope definitely, yes, I understand. The microscope definitely will be on him once they put the right shooting around him. Absolutely, I agree. But for now, just similar to John Moran, I'm withholding all of my harsh thoughts about trading someone like Franz Wagner

until we equipped him with better pieces of run to make his game better if he's still unable to at least shoot like 34 35% from the three point line

he's so out of here and this is a team they're really far but they're really far in a way that's pretty clear in how to get there like they can make up that ground in one off season

like they can do the Pistons thing and get enough shooting which we like we act like the Pistons are an amazing shooting team now they're not so like it doesn't even take incredible shooting

it just takes competent shooting like they just need decent shooting to be able to make your star players be able to shine. And I think we all expect Palo Man Carroll is going to make a big leap next year. He improved a lot over the course of this season. Still very flawed.

Still has to make improvements that aren't a guarantee. I'm willing to take that bet. And I'm willing to take that bet even more if he has adequate spacing that the strengths can shine more than they were able to this year. Please. Please just help him out. Help him out. Of all the teams you mentioned, this is the easiest to fix.

This are the Lakers. Because the Lakers just get a big and the magic or just get shooters. Pretty simple. like you have so much going for you some of these teams were asking them to move fucking hell on earth and figure out a way to build an identity you both these teams the last thing we talk about have your identity

do the competent roster ability to make that identity you have a chance to shine yeah so it's very simple but it's also kind of hard because it's like finding competent bigs and good shooters like everybody needs those and so it's like those two things are always easier said than done it's like when people are like

yeah you know just get some some high value like 3 and D role players and stuff Like, if everybody could find the role players who shoot 40% from three and, like, and are great defenders, do you think that everybody would be struggling for them? No. It's a hard archetype to find. There you go. And that's it. That's our goodbye to these teams that lost in this first round.

Not talking about you for three months. Yep. You guys have done me talk about for a little bit. And that's what you guys have to think about for the next month and a half until free agency and the draft come around. Those are your biggest needs. And with that being said, that's the end of our two of this show. End of the second block. It's time for.

For everybody's favorite hour, hour number three, the one and only, TikTok time. Catch. L hands. L hands, I was, he threw it so low. Try again. Welcome on TikTok time. Rejoice! We arm. March.

Welcome to TikTok time. Woo. It's fine. I was waiting for me. We're here. And I'm just here for straight business. All right, man. Today, we are going to start with some 2K talk.

Specifically, I'm going to have you guys guess the NBA championship team by their 2K ratings. So these are going to be a variety of teams that won championships in the past over the decades, wide range in history here. I didn't go just recent, I didn't go just old. It's a nice combination of both. You guys will see their five players,

2K ratings from that year, or if they're in the game this year as a classic team is from this year. A little bit of both. I'll make it a little bit harder because, you know, sometimes 2K ratings are juiced now and they weren't back then. yeah listen two can't be playing by i don't care i'm locked this is hard i'm kind of scared right now

my knees are shaking yeah surely you'll do terrible but we'll see first off let's get right into it who is this NBA team damn all right see this you hate the 22 warriors this looks like that no way this looks like a team if you are a championship team and you have i i feel like all of these championship teams are going to have great players that 88 is the center though yes But they're not, understand what I'm trying to put down, right? All of these really good players, not great players. This is a team that is bound together by the power of friendship. Quick question, are you fucking insane?

Steph Curry is on the 22 Warriors and you think no great players? And also, who is that goddamn center? I'm saying overall. Again, Steph Curry is on that team. He hates the 22 Warriors. This is not them. He says that that team sucks. and for a championship team

I don't know no 90s immediately I Steph Curry is on that team this is not the ghost I'm not no that's not my guess that's not what I'm saying

what I am saying what I am saying is I'm thinking this feels like the 2004 pistons damn I thought this would be the hardest one

first guess he gets it right I had no fucking clue and so I was trying to tell you it's the power of friendship If everybody's kind of equal, nobody's great, but nobody's bad. But we're going to do this together. 88 overall, okay, there we go. Shout to you for carrying me.

I needed that shit. I thought that would be kind of hard with the two question marks. I put the question marks because those guys aren't in the game. They don't have their rights. That's why I put them there because they don't have two great ratings. Oh, that's so. Who are those two guys? Rashid and Prince.

Damn. They're not in the game. So, wow. I remember the hardest one first and you guys got it for a guess. Okay. It's only downhill from here. Come on, man. Who is this team?

Who carried. So the best player on this team is their shooting guard, who has a 95 overall. 78 point guard, 80, small forward, 89 center. I didn't even see that shit. Holy fuck. All right, and 75 powerful. They really said, point guard, you don't matter. You're replaceable.

Power forward. We can get another one of you tomorrow. Shooting guard is 95. So we have to, what? Oh, is this? It clicked. Yeah. It clicked.

It was going to my mind. Get it on a roll You want me to say it You say it Throw it This is the 2006 Miami Heat Oh my God This is the 2006 heats

How did you guys get that one? What the hell? It's kind of obvious It was either the heat In my mind Or someone or the Lakers But I'm like It doesn't make no dance sense

For Shaq to be 89 at that point Yep We got the old man Shaq The last year He was above an 85 or so Yeah exactly Easy

Okay Who is this team Even more replaceable At the point guys 70 overall very close to a brown shirt generic no badges holy fuck he's a doo-doo shirt no accessories no tattoos no VC you are bro okay 97 overall is insane that means he's one of the best players in the history of the game that's what I'm saying at that two spot this to me smells like is this the who is smelling the loss send just Lakers? No, no, no, no, no, no.

Could it not be them? It's not like, oh wait. 2K10. Maybe. Wait, no, no, no, no, no. Wait, no, no, no. Wait, 2010?

Hold on. Yeah. 2010? This is 2010 Lakers. Exactly. There's Bynum right there, I believe, at the center spot of 74. Then there's Pau Gasol,

97 Kobe. Yep. Makes sense. Derek Fisher was in 70? He was. Damn. That's disrespectful. That's disrespectful.

Yeah, I was. price too. Wow, 70 overall is crazy. That threw me off. Like, I'm like, reeling on him, too. We're like, yo, he's a brown shirt. Metterwill piece, 80. Pagosol, 84. Sorry, sorry. 70 overall for Derek Fisher? Yeah, that's insane. Yeah, Matt Barnes beat. He beat the overall points out of him. He beat the attributes out of him.

Oh, fuck, he's passing IQs on the floor. Stopped that shit too long. Not that close shot. who is this team team number four oh shit star power forward star three so this dude this star studded as fuck everywhere 85 point guard 87 shooting yard 91 small forward power forward is of 95 858 center this is dominating bro it is it is dominating I feel like this one can get kind of tricky. I have an idea. Stay with me now. 95. If you think about like the the best fours, right? It's limiting new age of basketball, right? We're putting people in and out of position.

I'm thinking this is the 2024 Boston Celtics and that's Jason Tatum. You guys haven't had a single wrong guess yet. This is a Boston Celtics. I told you. Stay with me now. You're cooking. You are cooking. That had given them superpowers. Maybe the Knicks need to win. Damn. Fuck. I'm just looking for are these one wrong guess, but apparently you guys know everything. He's carrying me right now. Yeah, you stink. Which team is this? Damn, a 96th center.

Best center. 83 power forward, 89 shooting guard sticks out in the 84 small forward and 85 point guard. A dominant center, right? One of the best centers of all time. But the team is not a stinker around them. Nope. Quite well-rounded. Yeah, exactly.

My initial guess would have been like, oh my God, could this be the Denver Nuggets, but an 89 overall doesn't make any sense. KCP was not like that at all. And also, Jamal Murray is better than 85. That automatically rules out. Who are some of the better best centers in league history to win a championship? Right. So obviously you have, you have Fakeem, but that Rockets team is not looking like that at all.

They would have won three straight with that. You got some 70s in the Rockets teams. So we have the Shack, Shack and Kobe Lakers. This could be like the early Shaqq Kobe Lakers before Kobe. is like that let's see who else I mean I think those are the two options probably

because there's no one in the 2000 he might be going listen he might be going way way way back black and white civil rights segregation error this could be Bill Russell

in them I forget they did they do give those guys stats they do give those guys stats Bob Coosie is I don't even know Bob Coosie's in the game do you want to go

Celtics to Lakers I feel more comfortable going towards the Lakers This feels like a Shack and Kobe type duo But the Shack and Kobe was like it was them 85, 84, 83 is so well-rounded Like it has to be It has to be the Celtics Okay

This is not Billing him It's not Billing him? Nope Oh my goodness Is it Shackan him? It's not Shacking him Ooh It's timid M

Oh no it was It was Billing him Oh wait Oh it was Billingham It's out of order This is Billingham This is the 1960s of this. There we go. We are still undefeited.

I was looking at the wrong one because it got out of order on the slideshow. I was like, shout to young Bill. They could never put you to rest of Bill. You still alive in my heart. Exactly. We have a very well-rounded team. I thought Bob Coosie would be hired in 85 overall. And I thought Tim Havichick, I mean, not Tim Havichick, John Havichick would be hired 84.

Yeah. That's surprising. Okay. There we go. Well, so you guys still got every single first guest, correct. You want I thought you're wrong. Never lost. Damn.

I got to make sure I'm really looking at this list right. next up which team is this god damn a 97 is crazy as hell at the center position and a 92 lead guard 77 shooting guard and 74 power forward in a very solid shooting small 4 and 85 it's a nice lineup it's a nice 1 3 5 2 and 4 some stinkers though again replaceable but if you think about we have to do the exercise again you think about the best centers in his history, Shaq, Hakeem, is this, okay, so, so here's my, here's my thought, here's my thought, right? Are they giving the Denver Nuggets and Jamal Murray some crazy tax for that? No, because Aaron Gordon should no way in hell be a 74. 74 B that's insane.

Jamal Murray 92 would be even more than us. That'd be insane. That's what I'm saying? That's the, that's the tax. We could, this again, is somebody playing out of position could it be you think so nah I'll say this the power forward

I guarantee you've never heard of them guaranteed do to garbage 74 your job I guarantee you're right

I never have heard of take that for what you will I 100% guarantee you do not know who that is

damn all right let's do this exercise again best bigs in history right fuck

yo kids shack wilt uh could this be any of the spurs years

could this be time on time on I might have a crazy pull Oh my God Alright pull it You got the cowboy house Pull it bitch is out right now Please

For the life of God Is that 92 Walt Clyde Frazier And it's 97 Willis Reed And this is the old school William Knicks No Willis Reader is not a 97

Oh okay You think Willers Are the best players of all time What the fuck off the girl I don't know what two kids doing Not that not that I'm smelling a white flag And I hope it is

Not true. This is the 1971 bucks. That's Kareem and Big O. Yeah, which is a wild miss on our end. That should have been obvious. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We sold. You said every all-time big besides Kareem.

Yeah, we sold. If we just said his name, it would have been abundantly clear. Yeah, fuck. Yeah, they have. I can't even remember the Power Force name. It's somebody I could not remember. Next up, redemption. Which team is this?

89 point guard. Okay, led by their point guard. And their center at 88. Worst player here is a 77th power forward, 86 shooting guard, 83 small four. We've got to think about the worst power forwards to ever win a chip. Where are we going? Okay, now, but 88, again, we still have to think about well-roundedness and these, these all, these all-time teams. It's, it's very weird, though.

Yeah, this is pretty, this is, damn, this is hard. It is hard because if you go through like the, if you go through the, if you go through the, If you go through the history, like, this obviously isn't Shack and Kobe. It's not. It's not LeBron. It's not. It's not, it's not Dirk. It's not.

Yeah, it's not, it's not D. Wade. Uh, it's not the Raptors. Because Kauai would have been healthier. It's not the Bucks. Yo, this is really tough. Who is this point guard, bro? He is fucking hooping. What this?

Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. You got to think about, it could be the bad boy? pistons that we're thinking about teams that are led by their guard there's only two teams who have been led by their point guards and we have the bad boy pistons and we have and we have the step curry warriors we're gonna go you want to go give me the bad boy pistons i think this that's my only yes modern NBA this doesn't make any sense to me right now we'll do that we'll go with the bad boy pistons this is not the bad boy pistons oh fuck me shit that's how we got white flag

Yeah, white flag 2005 Spurs I was thinking the Spurs But I guess the wrong fuck I almost got the Spurs man shit We're over two more It's okay Wait is that right

I can't be right I mean it would make somewhat They played Tim at the 5 Yeah who was that three I mean who was that two though I suspect something got messed up here I don't know unless Unless when I wrote this down

They were I'm looking at the old game And the range lower back then maybe no way to Dunkin was an 88 in 2005 okay yeah because he was at no there's no way that 2005 Tim Duncan is the second best player on the team no there's something got messed up here that that can't be right the graphic must have got fucked up we'll give you guys a pass on that one who sweet which team is this it's like it's like when the teacher messes up and they're like all yeah you guys got number 14 yeah I don't know how that check hey we'll take a lot of points

you don't worry about it keep in my ain't don't worry about it so we are all right 93 point 87 2 guard Back court led Okay 82 power forward 77 center 77 small forward

Huh Oh This very well Could be the 2015 warriors When Draymond and Steph Just got onto the scene I'm gonna trust

We'll go We're gonna 2015 15 warriors Yeah Don't that just look like Yeah we're back We're back Yeah

Don't this look like some ass right here, too? Do you think you can win with this team confidently? What? They won a championship, yes. On 2K. On 2K. Can you do that? Again, 2015, Steph Curry was kind of different.

Maybe it's a skill issue. Next up. Which team is this? Fuck, 98. Don't mean no. Oh, this is easier right here to me. Go ahead. This 98 center, 88 point guard,

782 guard. I know that 78 sticks out like a motherfucker too, just as much as the 98. this might be psych I lied has to be the 2023 Denver Nuggets bring me up yes this is the 2023 Denver Nuggets fuck out of here case if he shines get the fuck out of here can't fuck with me is our game okay all right didn't know you felt like that all right gross okay next thing we're going to do let's talk about jersey retirements oh yeah it's one of my favorite things to talk about. Jersey retirements are so

interesting because it could mean a lot of things. We've seen guys like Michael Jordan Jersey get retired naturally by the Chicago Bulls and also by the Miami Heat for the most insane reason possible. Glazing is here. Glazing is there. It could also mean through community

wise and really what this player meant for this team and what he did for this organization. Farables are kind of all over their place, but today hopefully try to find some consistencies. And I want to know you, I don't, and I want to know if you guys think that this player jersey deserves to be retired okay first up is janus tennikumpa i mean obviously duh he brought the team their first championship in 50 years he's stayed low to

longer than he really's had to we'll see how that holds the summer if that continues but i mean really had to it's been four years since he won the chip like yeah no he's been just been opportunities for him to put pressure on the team and he hasn't and he did okay never mind he got you he made them get dame but he's been very vocally loyal i guess i guess i misphrase it he's been he's He has, that he got what he wanted. He stayed. He hasn't given them any issues. You always say this.

No, he hasn't. He's put vocal pressure on them. Every chance he's gotten. There's mad interviews where he's like, listen, I would love to say here. But if I had to go somewhere else, I would. I guess I'm so used to like LeBron, who would say a lot more intense that I guess he does, but has been subtle about it. Needless to say, he's remained loyal.

He's been there. He's fake humble. Yeah, LeBron. LeBron got a whole bunch of goons around him to send out a ton of messages. Yonis is the goon. LeBron doesn't do it either. LeBron. Not like him, though.

You're right. LeBron famously is like, listen, I'm going to eat some stuff. And then after four years, oh, yeah, I'm out. It's crazy. He's been in L.A. for like seven years. This is the second longest tenure of his career. Why? Because he'd be moving around.

He'd be putting it on pressure. And people don't be fulfilling his request. But outside of that, Janus, again, he should, his jersey should be retired. The fastest. But don't make him some saint, though. He's not that. He's not that. Second greatest player in team.

history, especially if he stays after the Dame injury, if he continues to be loyal when he definitely shouldn't, it'll be an instant retirement. They might retire before he retires. That'll be crazy. That's glazing. But, hey, it's much deserved. If he stays with Kyle Kuzma and Kevin Porter Jr., it'll be deserved glazed because he'll be for the team. I agree. That's one of the easier ones, though. Next up, we got James Hardin. Well, there's an array of teams here. Yeah. The Rockets feels like a safe yes. Second best player they ever had, won them an MVP took them close to a finals outside of that the rest of the teams hard no yeah I don't think there's a real conversation about O'KC can't have it with the 76ers because

again Blender speaking of Blender the Brooklyn Nets are right there who the fucking knows they probably burn his jersey before they're retired wait why would they burn his jersey he didn't do none but just pull up they might they might retire nobody nobody could ever wear number one for them again they don't even want to think about the So they should retire if no one's going to wear number one for them again. Retire for all their own reasons. Exactly. Yeah, the Thunder, they traded him too soon.

Then he didn't give him a chance to build the legacy. Clippers, I mean, he got there when he was old, post-hamstring, not going to happen. He'll be same picture, same thing. Choked. Do you think the Rockets would do it, though, with the way that he went out? Because he went out guns blazing as well. He went out bad, but he was... He wore a fat suit.

He went out more than bad. Yeah, whatever. He didn't go out so bad that you can't forget it. He went out, like, run-of-the-mill bad. Like, they'll get over it in five years. I remember John Wall pulled up there for, like, their last saving grace move. And he was like, yeah, man, I'm so excited to pull up and win with someone like James. And then he just left like two days later, friend, high and dry.

They thought it was going to be John Wall, Oladipo, Christian Wood, is like the next supporting cast. Was the Markis cousin there too? I can't remember if he was there at the same time or right after. But he was definitely in that mix. He might have just been in Houston, just around. He just needed something to be. They thought there's going to be the next era. And he was like, I'm not going to be here.

No, thank you. But nevertheless, I think he's clearly a rockist legend Still should be remembered that way I agree One of the greatest of all time Dremont Green Why wouldn't they No 100%

There's no question It should be Steph Curry And if you talk about this whole era Steph Curry's jersey gets retired first Dremont is the second one They might retire on the same day And get the jersey retired on the same day He as much

No no no no give stuff his day Give his own day Give stuff his day Dremont can have his own day But it'll be like two nights later Two nights Same week Yeah

But he has to Just so you know Everybody's in town We can all celebrate But he has Talking about logistics here So fuck out of here He has to have

When you're an adult And you're post college You're so hard You're so hard You're friends together In the same day You gotta do the same week You can't coordinate

They're retired They can't do the PJ life anymore Commercial flights I understand it Exactly But as much as he did Help heighten the Steph Curry

Experience He did cost him legitimately like a champion they have four stop being greedy they did have four but it could have been six seven six seven is he gave more they took away it's a bit much it's a bit much but yes his jersey is getting retired i agree with you him him step clay katy katy yes all right ruddy gobert i i think it's going to happen me personally i probably wouldn't do it but they're going to do it okay rudy gobert hell no what the fuck he's one of the best defenders that we've seen in this generation

Do you think Hell not? Hell no Fuck Hell no Why? No First of all

Minnesota isn't going to do it They haven't won anything He hasn't been there For like two too long That's not the question Utah is like All right fine But like no

They're not They haven't Since the nasty man And John Stockton days They have nothing to hang Their hat on at all And he helped them Bring them to Revolency

They didn't make a conference finals So fucking what What do you mean? You said since John Stockton, there's nothing to hang their hat on. They don't guys have to hang their hat on with the Brueygo Barre legacy. Nothing happened from it. They were a consistent.

Second round, regular season team. Yeah. Those are great times for Utah Jazz fans. Those last time we've seen them out and proud in the streets. Retired the jersey. The one seed that one time. Retired the jersey.

No, probably not. I mean, I guess they could if they did you really like him. But this isn't, his resume doesn't necessitate they retire his jersey. And it's not like he's known as like Utah loves them. He's all about the community. That's not really is the conversation either. Probably not. This guy don't think he's a Utah jazz lesson.

Do you? I love really bare with anybody, but I don't think they'd have to retire his jersey. He's one of the best players of the history of their team. That doesn't necessarily meet it, but, yeah, you're right, it's not high. He's the best center. So we got Kyrie Irving. So this is interesting. Obviously, the Nets would rather make his name illegal to be said.

They'd rather make his name a registered slur that you can't say Kyrie or you get next to the arena slur in the city of Brooklyn yeah you can't say it Mavs hasn't been the long enough Celtics big fuck no the Cavs gave away their number though immediately the second that he left

and they gave it away to Colin Sexton they did right away too so you know it was petty it was like the next year but he did win their championship he was drafted he's a big part of why they got LeBron James back to win that championship the bridge wasn't totally burned

it didn't want a great note but it wasn't atrocious like it was like the Celtics I could see that in 10 years, they let bygones be bygones and they retire Kyrie's number? I don't know. I can see it, but I don't like it. They can go either way. Yeah.

Yeah. It's very, it's very 50-50. I agree with you are at. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not walking with it. I'm going to say, if I had to vote like a hundred times, I'd probably vote no more than yes. But you want a chip and you want a homegrown star that went to chip with you. I feel like that's kind of an automatic almost. Yeah, I agree.

paid he played like the most second the second most important part of that chip too he hit the shot that's going to be all over the arena forever that's going to be plastered all across the arena and all this art yeah that means something for in terms of retiring a number that's like legacy for a team this is some of the greatest times of casfam's lives i mean it is the greatest time and then he ended it himself he decided it was over you know what for petty reasons you're talking me into it fine you get to jersey retired you got it So I won't be there, but I'll accept it. I love it.

Anthony Davis. Absolutely not. No? You're not retiring his jersey? No. Not with New Orleans? No. With the maps, he just got there?

No. The question is, does he get his jersey retired with the Lakers? Yeah. I would say no. A normal team, maybe. The Lakers is such a high bar and it's overshadowed by the Bron who will get his jersey retired. Maybe they say, we did you so dirty.

We trade you dead a night. We'll do you a solid. We'll remember you in Lakers history and retire your jersey. but I lean towards, they probably won't. Why do you think they won't? Is it because he didn't? They got one chip. Yeah, but LeBron got one chip too.

LeBron's LeBron. That L.A. tax is fucking crazy. Now, if you ask me, right, I have different, I have different thoughts about the matter. But most of the guys that have the Jersey retired, they've won multiple championships. Either you are the best player in the world at the time who restored the Lakers to relevancy in LeBron. Yeah. Or you just people who are on that championship team, 80 falls in. to the latter.

Yeah. You can only retire so many numbers and they have a high bar there. LeBron is going to be the one against remembered as the guy who brought them back, not AD, whether that's fair or not. Yeah, probably not. And the Pelicans, he burnt that bridge so unbelievably hard. He went out. Blades of glory.

Oh, yeah. The Pelk, retire for what? They don't, they have no business of retiring anything in that arena ever. For beating Damien Lurr, though, one time. Shout out, shout out to Anthony Davis Pelicans legacy. I feel like if they beat him down, though. They did. I feel like if AD was to get another championship with the Lakers, if he had.

had done that, then I think he's a for sure yes. Shoulda could or woulda. Damn. Next, we got Jason Tatum. Early in his career, he's just 26, 27 years old. Already won a chip. He's been consistently first team LNBA. Historically, when it comes to his all-time stats, he's across the board all over the place

already for the Celtics, consistent as ever been that star that they've been looking for. Yes, of course. Easy. It's 100%. Yes. This is the easiest one on the list. just as easy as Janice, he was drafted to the team, he helped bring the team back into relevancy

after a couple years of having to rebuild. He was the rebuild. He is the championship window. He won them to finals. Nothing has been done to make him not be in consideration. The KG, Paul Pierce, Celtics were so loud and so boisterous about the championship that you forgot.

It took 16 years between championships. It was a pretty long drought for Boston standards and Tatum was the best player on that team. It would have been nice if he could have captored off with the finals MVP, but he's getting his jersey retired. Yeah, he's probably going to go down as a top five to six Celtic of all time at the minimum

if he doesn't do anything else. Yeah, let's go three to four. Yeah, yeah, if he doesn't do anything else. If he left the team today, he'd be a top five to six Celtic of all time. Okay. And that's saying something because there's a lot of Celtics was some goddamn jewelry. So he's definitely a luck. Okay, cool. Joellen B. What about him?

Because there's so much to talk about his career. Probably yes. He didn't do anything to do the city wrong. He didn't leave the free agency. He didn't make selfless decisions that left them high and dry. He got unlucky. He got hurt. But he gave us all to the team. He played through injuries time in time out. He became the MVP. They drafted. They wanted him to be. He left his heart and body on the line for the Sixers. Absolutely yes. For a sixers perspective, like retiring number, what you do for the team.

He did them right. He sacrificed a lot for them. He's the process. He is the rebuild. He took them to heights in which they haven't seen enough. Who probably had a heart? That's, that's, that's, that's, that's, he didn't take him to heights. But he's probably, I forget they haven't gone to the conference finals here. The heights he took him to aren't high, but as an individual, he's probably not going to walk that well when he's 50, and it's because he laid his body on the line for the Sixers. They better retire.

When you talk about opium, that is what Joellen Beat is to a core, to a Titheat, the streets. He has a gang of dealers around, just serving it up every single year, every single offseason teams fans. And he was a good source of it for them. He did them well. I agree.

He did nothing to deserve not getting his jersey retired. He won them an MVP, or he won an MVP in that jersey. put his body on the line his career is ruined as they're speaking because he played through injuries for this team and this guy don't want to retire he was hurt when they drafted him like like they knew they knew that this was going to happen yeah so why not retire him i i feel like you are approaching this with the mindset of like you have to do something in order to not get your jersey retired when you're an MVP yeah when you're that gradable player yeah you didn't do us wrong and you're this amazing you're the second or third most talented player

we've ever had. Yeah, you've got to do us dirty to not get retired. You're good enough to deserve it. This entire Joel and Bede era is defined by disappointment. What does that? That has nothing to do with the jersey retiring.

That has nothing to do this. I'm not, I'm not, I should just happen. It happens to every single organization. I'm not sure. I'm still on the fence. Right now, I'm leaning no. So you'd be. That's going to sound so outrageous from 10 years

when it's all said and done, you're attached from the emotion. That's going to sound like, when you see players that actually get the jersey retired, say no to Joelle and Beade. because he didn't win at the highest level is outrageous, I think. Call me in 10 years.

Run this bag in 10 years. We'll be here. Next up, we got Devin Booker. See, this is a phone walk. This is kind of what you were talking about with Joelle and Bede, but he's not as good as Juele and Bede, so I can understand your mindset more

if you don't want to give it to him. Yeah. He's in history, though, as well again. I don't know if I would retire his jersey either. He's close. They got to the finals. I think it's clear now that's equally as much about Chris Paul

as it is Devin Booker. so it's not like he drugged them there by himself so it's not an automatic bit there he's been really good not one of the best players in the world I have no idea he went through the mud with them as well throughout the first few years of his career

was also one of those players earliest careers that just consistently gets snubbed for the All-Star game and all the fans were sclamering for years how underrated he has been throughout his career I think

depending on what happens over the next two three years when the Phoenix Suns are they're at their absolute lowest to the points where they can't do anything, that probably will determine whether or not they retire his jersey. Yeah, this, this to me, this isn't for me to say, it's not even for

the front office to say, you got to put a poll out. Let the fans vote. Instagram story vote. Yeah. He's probably going to stay here. Who want me? No. If he staged like 20 years, they'll

probably do it. If he leaves this summer, because shit goes sideways and they trade him, then no. But we'll see. It'll be a longevity play for Devin Booker. I agree. DeMarter Rosen, a name you wouldn't think would be here, but it's here. Stop it. Listen, nobody should ever wear his jersey in the Drew League.

What? In the Drew League. So disrespectful. All of these other places, you can wear number 10. Loki, I do through the Raptor should. Just because he was so for the team and so loyal and they traded him for Kauai and immediately won. That's like, we need you.

You got us there, man. We salute you for getting us in the position to get Kauai Leonard. But you can't, but you can't even do that because apparently now your global team ambassador said that he's going to climb up and tear the jersey down himself. Oh, yeah. What the fucker. Drake said if Drake said if his jersey ever goes up in the Raptor, he's going to climb up and tear down himself. Man, fuck's Drake. Who can't understand what he says. He didn't even want up to games anymore, but he's not, he don't really ride for this team.

Have you seen him at a Raptors game this season? Hey, you better shut up before you Don't show up in Toronto You're gonna be in trouble Oh no The Goons are gonna come out Chubs no Top five banging on your

On your van Exactly But no I think the Raptors should Whatever who gives a fuck With Drake thinks I think they should But I can understand

If they don't But I have a feeling with The small market of Toronto They love their stars They love the guys Overlow Small market It's like a major world city

Yeah but in the NBA It's not you know It's a team in Canada It's not exactly It's just international It's not small. Essentially the same thing.

Yeah, small from the right word. I guess non-major. It's not a major market in the NBA, by any means, you know, in terms of media. You just don't really care about you in America. You don't care about them. You've made that part very clear. I think in terms of media markets in America,

Toronto is an afterthought. So I think they're going to be pretty loyal to their stars over the years. They're probably going to retire more often than they won't. So it'll probably be a yes, I think. It's going to be, listen, they made peace with Vince Carter. Demar's probably going to be going to, going to get his retired.

It's going to take dollars. But I would love to have a live cam just to see Drake eventually tear the jersey down. Have a camera on the jersey at all time. Is Drake a matter of his word or not? Ray Allen. Hell now.

Is it going to be hung up in the rafters? Boston should do it. Should they? That's kind of iffy to me. If you said Anthony Davis shouldn't get a jersey retired by the Lakers, Ray Allen damn sure shouldn't by the Celtics. Yeah.

Why? He's not cool with it. There's so many more reasons. They won the same amount of championships. They made up. They made up for it. They did, but he won the same amount of chips as AD. AD was a lot better and a lot more important to his team than Ray Allen was with the championship teams.

I don't know why. That feels like a pretty clear similarity there. The Lakers standard is a little bit higher. A little bit. They have fucking the same amount of chips. No, but like less superstars. Yeah, in terms of like the people whose jerseys do get retired. And at least like the Lakers, the Lakers were winning championships in every decade.

So it felt pretty consistent. So if you're ever like, oh, they retire everybody's jersey. always win right and everybody was getting multiple championships this 018 they they loved them paul obviously got his retired kg was only there for a small amount of time he got the same amount of rings if kg went up i think ray should go but kg was a man yeah i don't think ray on jersey probably gets retired it may might impracticality because of what you said in 2018 yeah i don't think it should if we're talking about like merit but maybe if retired kj's maybe it's a good point maybe they will him too rondo's is also going to

get retired eventually too. I think Rondo. He won't a ring with the Lakers. That's kind of insulting. I don't know. I don't care about that in terms of like... Listen, it was a, again, it was a dirty move, but also go get your money. True.

But if Rondo ends up getting his jersey retired, I think eventually Ray will get his, but Rondos will probably happen before Rays. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, that has to happen. Who do you think we'll play the Omid and a Biopic? Donovan? Come on, man. We're talking about reality.

I just read a text. There's so many good questions. Someone said Anthony Mackey could put Yonovine into biopic. Oh, man. That's hilarious. That's the last player for a second. I need to see answers in the comments. Let's see what we're going to do.

Donovan's like, damn, who's going to play me in biopic? I know. Oh, I forgot what the one betty said yesterday. Did you see that? No, he said Anthony Anderson can play Doddford. I missed that. Anthony Anderson? Wait a time I'm not going to look this.

He's the dad from Blackish. He can play Donovan and a biopic. Look it up, chat. Y'all, we got to look at, oh. I should know him, Brian. He did say it. Passion-wise? I like this.

Okay. Next thing we're going to do. I'm going to name two NBA teams. You tell me who has the greater history. Okay, real historic today Yeah, so which team has more legacy points When all things considered Not just who has more championships

Who, which franchise has a bigger stamp On the history of the NBA Okay, let's do it Let's go Warriors or 76ers This is tough because the Warriors' success Is all recent But my God, they are the most dominant

In a decade you can imagine If You have to go with the Warriors To have To have Steph Curry who changed the game to have to have kd and have also possibly the best team of all time yeah you have two players who are top 10 arguably draymond green one of the greatest defenders of all time you have clay tompton one of the best shooters of all time everywhere you look there is one of the greatest

of in NBA history on the warriors along with that too the best way for me to digest this question is asking myself who can i delete from the history of the NBA without feeling the least effects and I think I can get rid of the Philadelphia 76ers Yeah Their best era in the 80s Isn't as good as the Warriors

Best era anywhere close And outside of that Neither one of them Had super strong second eras So fills with the Warriors Pretty easily Yeah, I agree The Pistons or the heats

Bad Boy Pistons Had hugely impactful hugely impactful for the 80s Lebronto I'm not LeBronto The Heatles in Miami in the 2010s was important what Duan Way did before LeBron James,

getting into two finals with Jimmy Butler. That's some sustained excellence, especially for an expansion team. Detroit always feels like it's Detroit versus everybody, and they're always like the underdogs. They're going to feel like this again because it's the Miami Heat. Because shout out to the pistons, but their back-to-back is kind of the like forgotten dynasty.

You're right. You get the 0-4 Piscence to everyone's like, yeah, good for them, but, you know, they weren't that good or whatever. The heat, anytime that you have LeBron involved in whatever, operation that you have it's going to be one of the most important you have pat riley one of the most important figures in NBA history you have doing way third best shooting guard of all time it's it's them they've accomplished a lot in a way shorter period they're a way newer franchise

that's that that makes it more impressive to some extent yeah i agree the names on their on their roster throughout the years lebrons the shacks the wage of the world kris boshes they just don't align with what they got with no he's definitely said like seven times today who of the world that was like your seventh of the world the kings or the clippers oh man gutter time

see this is this is really really hard trench time I think I'm gonna go with the clippers these are perhaps the least impressive two histories in the franchise in the association I think me I'm going with the clippers the clippers are the only franchise

that have their owner like they have they have the worst owner in the history of the league they do but i think both these teams actually no i was going to say both only have one conference finals appearance but that's not true because way back in the day the king has some success you know the kings probably win this because of their success in like the 60s god damn and the 2000 i mean the the clippers just got to a conference finals in 2021 and they haven't had a an extended period right all that like lob city stuff again a era defined by disappointment and but that's needed disappointment

in the NBA history to me you know what that's needed disappointment in NBA history. Why? Why is it needed? Every team every, they're a staple of NBA discourse when it comes to team building. We see, we saw for the one of the first times in the early 2010s where they had like real life cap issues and they had to parse whether they wanted to talk or where they wanted to get rid of the Deandre Georgianne or pay someone like JJ. It was to me, I think they're more relevant in my mind compared to the Kings. Well, that's because the King's success all came before 2010. And that's what they're more relevant to. to you.

But that's also why, again, the Clippers. Have you ever seen a team revolt against their owner pre-playoff game? Again. They almost didn't play the playoff game. That's low-key, like, a pivotal moment of modern civil rights to get Donald Sterling up out of here as a coup. So maybe they win. Adam, no, I agree with you.

Adam Silver's first move was getting Donald Sterling out of the paint. He kicked off his commissioner era saying like, hey, this guy got to get out of here. If you don't pick the Clippers, honestly, if you don't pick the Clippers in this question, you kind of stand with racism. You know what you are. Yeah, so if you don't put the Clippers, you're the problem. Think about that.

The Clippers win. Sorry, Kings. Sorry, Nate Archibald. The Lakers or the Celtics. The obvious one we had to talk about the two most winningest franchises of all time. Who has a greater history?

This is so 50. That's a question. Greater history. What does that mean to you? So fucking 50-50. This is extremely tough. It's glist and glamour, finding ways to replenish the star power over the decades every single time versus getting out the mud, building the right way over and over again, but to the same success level.

Oh, this is so hard, because I don't want to disrespect Bill Russell. Yeah, Bill Russell alone might be enough to, like, trump this whole argument for the league. But also, like, the Celtics and what they were doing in the early Eastern Conference, obviously very, very dominant in the 60s, and they were battling with all the Easter Conference teams. The Lakers have been the premier team out west for as long as they've been out there. And for them to come in, change the game,

change like the entertainment game. You always have a star. You always have one of the 10 best players. Think about it. Whenever any star starts to get unhappy, we're like, oh, yeah, they're going to go to the Lakers because that's where stars end up. That is true.

They are the pipeline for, the platform in the NBA. The 1980s Celtics are just as successful as the 2000s Lakers. I think it's like comparable dynasties. I don't think the Lakers

have a stretch like I feel like the 60 Celtics are more dominant than the 80s Lakers like in the second stretches so maybe you can go towards the Celtics in that regard

but then again you get to the point like 60s NBA do we respect it? Do we not? I don't know like people are going to say plumbers.

I think well it's it's kind of even because if you say eight chips. then you go to Minneapolis yeah well no no even if you go eight chips in the 60s if you account for like you know player inflation and all that stuff and like the how the game changes eight chips in the 60s is probably the same as like five and 80s that what the fuck is that calculus I don't know what is that math I don't know what is

that math I don't know when it also when it comes to dead periods of organizations and how long it takes for them to rejuvenate and restart, I think the Celtics, because of the off-season drama that continuously happens with the Lakers, I might give this to the Lakers for the sake of their rebuild period, time and time again, is shortened compared to what it really should be compared to the rest of the NBA, including a team like the Boston Celtics. What does it do with how great their history is?

That's about accomplishments. If you have like a consensus top 10 players in the NBA in NBA history, four to five of them played on the Lakers with LeBron, Kobe, Shack, Kareem Magic. Okay, so if we're going to go on players that define the history of the game more of them defined it in the Lakers uniform.

It's a volume play, volume of stars. The accolades are the same, the clout is the same. Lakers got volume of stars. I might be the only tiebreaker. And like, yes, they have that, but they also all won championships in a Lakers uniform. So you have the best players of all time being at the top of the mountain in a Lakers uniform.

Sounds like we have the correct answer here. Sorry, Celtics. Damn. Don't tell me anything about Minneapolis. I don't want to hear it. Don't care. The Mavs or the Rockets? Who is the most clouded out of Texas?

It's the Rockets, I think. Yeah, probably the Heapson Rockets. They went back to back, whereas the Mavs only won one in 2011. that's a immediate tiebreaker outside of that it's not terribly it's kind of similar nah the Mavs the Mavs pre-mark Cuban

are known as like an abomination and embarrassment of a franchise yeah they were like the definition of disappointment and just like why and even even with Dirk you have one championship and

Dirk is his whole career like he only played with like one all-star his entire run like they consistently did not have the guys alongside with him. And also, Hakeem is just higher than Dirk all time. So, like, you have all time. And you just traded away Luca Dantius.

I'm sorry, you can't win. I was waiting for you to bring that up. You can't win. Your history cannot be considered great when your second-gradeest player got unceremoniously fired. You lose automatically. Even if it's a short-term overreaction,

right now is the time to overreact. You traded the 26-year-old five-time first-team all-NBA. Oh, my. Just freshly took you guys to the NBA. You got given a second dirk and you gave them away. Embarrassing. Shows with the Rockets, yeah. They've had, they always have talent coming around and they try their best to hold on and maintain them.

Whether it be the James, whether it be James Hardin, Yao Ming, T-Mack, Clyde or Hakeem or whatever, I said Clyde or Hackeem or whatever it is. Clyde was there. Yeah, I mean, they got five. Sure. Yeah, but, you know. Magic or Grizzlies? The Kenny Smith of the world. Magic or Grizzlies?

It's the, it's the magic. The Grizzlies. Shout out to Yon. just got here, Brad. It's another one where they both are expansion teams. It's another one where it's like to Memphis, I'm glad you guys like your team. Orlando has been to multiple NBA finals. You've had Shaq on there.

You've had Dwight. They've had a bunch of, you've had Team Mac. The magic guy, I think, I think. People don't think about this a lot because it can't happen anymore. It is quite hilarious. They lost Shaq after four years. Like, they really fumbled Shaq to a degree. True.

Nobody talks about it because you can't lose a rookie like that anymore. But they lost them. after four years that's crazy how embarrassing their pockets just weren't deep enough to keep shack how embarrassing yeah it's the magic it's the magic it's still the magic but just no that's quite embarrassing it is and we respect grit and grime but but you never made it to the final so I'm sorry yeah even Dwight made to the finals two final strips and then we don't have the all like all-time players to match up yeah with them either like and your all-time jerseys for Memphis are from Vancouver it's not even from Memphis

Your legacy is built over the border Your legacy is being tariffed Spurs versus Bulls I'm just going to lean The Bulls The most popular player in NBA history Played for the Bulls like they got it One of the most important players of history

But if you're good at rival then the Spurs are a close one So we're talking about who is a greater history Yeah they won the Six Rings with Michael Jordan That's obviously like the peak you can possibly have for a decade The Spurs almost matched that accolade-wise without the greatest player of all time and they do it over a long stretch of history they replenish their star power over and over

one could argue that's more impressive one could you're right but I think when it comes to dealing with the feats of someone like Michael Jordan brother like this convers I still got more chips than eight yeah this conversation outside of

the Lakers and the Celtics I don't know if any other team in the NBA can compete in terms of overall greatness with the Bulls just hard to do that we hate fundamentals we don't respect doing it the right way it's michael jordan we don't respect longevity it's michael jordan's gonna compare tim duncan jersey sales versus michael jordan's oh god the pelicans versus the hornets you can like kill both of these organizations right now we wouldn't even know what happened we wouldn't even to talk about it bro i don't even know where to

begin okay this this is this is what it boils down to you have the hornets who are defined defined by a veto trade. Okay. Versus, or I guess New Orleans, right, defined by the veto trade, versus cool starter jackets in the 90s for the Hornets. That fashion is the peak of the Hornets relevance. That is really, what matters more? We don't know because we weren't there, but Teal was so popular in the 1990s. They were everywhere.

They were probably more fashionable than the Bulls in the 90s. Shot's a grandma, ma'am, man. Yeah. Shout out to the fresh prints They probably went lots of deal Oh god bro I guess we go to the pelicans The pelicans had Chris Ball

The Han Anthony Davis They had the fails on experiment so far They had talent injections over the years I guess That gave them a little bit of something The Hornets have been For my entire life as a fan Completely irrelevant

Shout out to Kimber Walker And they had those throwbacks though Yeah It's pretty Ugh The only It's so crazy to say that I was about to say

it's pretty easily the pelicans Two of the worst ownership groups in the NBA too I guess Jordan doesn't own them anymore but Jordan was a fucking awful owner and the people that own the pelicans also aren't great

again another reason why you had the greatest player of all time own the Hornets and leave them to absolutely nowhere that disappointment could leave the stain on the league tough

Raptors versus Nuggets Canada man they both got their one chip the Nuggets got it with their franchise icon the Raptors got it with a mercenary the Raptors have cooler branding they represent a whole country it's a whole country the Nuggets have a longer history though they have eras why have Alex English why do Canadians try to put themselves in these conversations but you know what it's for good reason they actually earned it the Raptors the jerseys is just it it boils down to that do you want the Raptors throwbacks or the Nuggets

baby you're deciding via Jersey I mean they're they're they're The histories are pretty similar. Like it's... I don't know. I mean, the, the Nuggets do have like the 80s, 90s, like Alex English into Mello into Yokech. They have multiple eras of stars. They only want with one of them.

You don't really think about the Nuggets. They're just there. Like, shout out to y'all. You guys have been really good, but like, you know, Outtitude is hard to play it, I guess. Yokish is the best player on here. He's going to leave the biggest mark on these teams. Which championship was more impressive, 2023 or 2019? Yeah, like, which stories are impressive?

One of the greatest offensive players of all time. or one of the best one-year runs of all time with the mercenary? Yeah. I mean, I think it's the mercenary. This was a team, and granted, LeBron left the conference, but they were getting destroyed year after year after year and said, Kawhi, come in, and then they got a chip. Like, instantly got over the hump.

No, they did have, like, insane injuries happen to the team that they were facing. I will say that. Still impressive nonetheless when it comes to how they got there, though. And then for the Denver Nuggets, too, they face the Miami Heat and the Fossus. Not the conversation. Listen, Jersey, not important. Jersey's aside, sorry, Canada, you lose again. I'm going with Denver.

And there you go. Finally, we got to the part that matters. Bucks versus Nix. Damn. Two very old storied franchises that have been around for a long time. Which are we going with? It's very clearly the New York Nix. What?

Basketball-wise, it should be the Bucks. No, it is absolutely. no contest is the New York Knicks No contest is insane Because they're based in New York And they have a big market And lots of fans The bucks want to chip in the 70s

Want a chip in the modern era Thank you for giving me the reasons Why I said Knicks When the Knicks Clow is not a good enough reason When the other team has chips And accolades and stars And impactful basketball

First of all They have the same amount of chips Let's get that straight Two different areas of chips They're not weight the same They just got their first chip In 50 years What do you mean?

They got one 50 years Before that Yeah exactly For the last 50 years The Knicks have had more championships than the butts. That is crazy mental gymnastics. They have the same amount. Who gives the fuck about the last 50 years?

Like, that's such a weird way to phrase it. They just tied the game. What is it tied? Just now. And then we're talking about the history of the league. And then you're like, oh, yeah, don't pay attention to the last 50 years when they had more championships. But you said it the same. And then you said if you before the last one, it was 50 years, well, who cares?

Now it's the same. I'm just trying to find a reason to hit on the Knicks. If you can't tell. I'm grasping for shots. Come on. Even when the Knicks are bad, Madison Square Garden, the world's most famous arena,

is the playpen. It's the show. It is the stage for all of the best players in the world to come on and put on their best performance. The Knicks always matter whether they win 17 games or 50. It does not matter. Yeah. But do they matter because of like actual basketball reasons or just where they're

at location-wise? They matter. So the, I feel like that's a weak argument. Okay, the winning is the same and the player, the top end players are better on the bucks. Yeah. Yonis would be the best Nick of all time by far. Kareem would be the best Nick of all time by far.

So they have the player legacies, they have the championships that are equal. Kareem got his and it was like, yeah, I don't need, I don't need it. Nevertheless, he got it. I don't want to be here. Nevertheless, he got it. If Yonis wore blue and orange, he'd be talked about like he's LeBron. The Knicks clout would take him to the top. Yeah.

He'd be by far the best nick of all time. And that is why we matter. That's why we matter Yeah, because y'all are Hall of Flame when it comes to a clickbait Just talking about nonsense That's y'all That's everybody else Everybody else uses Knicks for clicks

That's everybody else I'm not here to a good reason Besides New York is a big city Yeah me personally I think When comes to the history of basketball Like Aside all the mumbo jumbo that'd be happening

Outside of the court The Milwaukee Bucks are much more important To NBA history Are you guys stupid I'm telling you the truth What are you talking about The Milwaukee Bucks are much more important.

I'm joking. I'm trying to find a reason to hit on the Knicks, but the Knicks aren't that important to basketball history. New York is important to basketball history because they're in New York.

But like the Knicks franchise is not terribly consequential outside of the cloud. So like... Okay, but that comes with it. Yeah, but like the cloud isn't basketball related. So like we're talking about

we're not talking about the most relevant franchise. We're talking about the greatest histories whose accolades and who's like accomplished more organization-wise. So I don't care about the New York clout. I'm open to reasons for the Knicks

but because we're popular is not the one. Yeah. Okay. even fuck with him jersey-wise too. Damn sure. Ooh. It did.

You got, eat up. You got to eat up. There we go. It's the bucks. You might have ate that one little thing. You might have clocked it. That's fine. I started off trolling by the end.

I think the bucks went. Deerian. Period. There you go. Next thing we're going to do. NBA Keep 4 Cut 4 is stable We're going to do Keep 4 cut 4 With scores

From across history Just how good they are scoring Not how good they are as a player overall Just their scoring bag All right Keep 4 cut 4 First name Kevin Durant

We got to keep him Easily keep them Listen If you ask me On maybe three days out of the week I'll tell you that Kevin Durant is the greatest score In NBA history I'll tell you that's wrong

But you can certainly be top five Yeah No one's going to look at you crazy. There's some days where you watch Kevin Durant when he's on and you're like, oh my goodness, nobody has ever scored the basketball easier than he has. Yeah. Steph Curry. Remember, it's just as a score, not as a playmaker, not as a gravity.

Again, when he comes to his getting buckets, he also belongs in the same conversations, maybe not same, similar conversations with Katie. How do you score the ball? Put the ball on the hoop. Exactly. This man does it at one of the. The most efficient rates that we've ever seen. I'm going, we have to keep him.

Yep. His 2016 season is like by far the highest efficiency volume scoring season of all time. His of true shooting was like 8% higher in league average. Man. Paul George. Man, cut that man. Cut that man. Cut that man.

Cutting so fast. Just next name. No words. No explanation. Damn. Damn. You don't want to give him a single thought? Next name.

I love Paul George, but I can't do it at this date. Too disgusting. Damn. Patrick Ewing. I'm sorry. Discussed him. Just got him. It's okay.

On the day, the Knicks go out too. Oh, you don't want to defend a Nick? Stop it. Just, just, see? At least he's more.

It touches back to that Knicks versus bus conversation. I'm telling you. Okay. The name we got to talk about, Carmelo Anthony. And that's why. And that's why.

You're going to keep him? Yeah, we're keeping Carmelo. There's only two spots left. We're doing all time. Listen, you and you. See,

I understand it because I've but y'all may not you all may not get it the levels to which he scores it transcends three dimensions right it goes into the fourth dimension he said word demottis not the fourth five dimensions exactly there's so many levels there's so many intricacies it's oh my goodness you can teach a class on it and still not know how he scored that well because it's so singular we got to keep carmel Do you want to cut Kamala more than he wants to keep him? Is your dog higher than his dog right now? For the sake of embarrassment on your end?

Yeah, I've done it before. No, you can. Plenty of times. But for the sake of embarrassment on your end, we can keep him. Okay. Oh, keep him. You should keep him. Okay.

Fair enough. Jeff. Nicole Yokish. Oh my God, you just fucked me already. As a score, way more efficient than mellow. It doesn't look quite as pretty. Guess what? We're keeping both of them.

Now what? You use the last one. Oh my gosh. Yeah. You're going to cut the last two people. Mo? Do you want to let them keep? No, I did this to him last time.

It's on you. I can't. I just, it just doesn't feel right cutting away someone like Nicole Yokic, who does it all around. He just saw the 40% from the three point line, bro.

You cooked us. And I was waiting for this moment and here we are right now. Again, if you are a man, you have to have principles sometimes. And if Carmelo, Anthony comes up at the score, I'm keeping him.

So who did we fumble? Second of the last name, James Hardin. Yeah, cut that. No, man. Hell no. Cut that. What? It's too late. It doesn't matter. I mean, I'm so cool with that. And the very last name, Michael Jordan.

Was Dwayne Wade. Yeah, we got that. I feel good about this. Why? Why do you feel good about this? It's horrendous. Cameras are on you. You explain this shit. I feel perfectly fine with this. Listen, without the mellow thing, you guys would have had a good list. if you would have kept one of those last two guards over Mello.

But it's not the worst in the world, I guess. But it's not pretty. Mello just sticks out like a sword thumb to me, man. He do not belong there. Durant, Curry, Yokich, Mello. I mean, I guess you can say Mello and Yokic, sure. I mean, I don't know. Actually, I don't navigate the conversation without being yelled at by a certain group people

either way I go. So I'll keep my comments to myself. Yeah, Melos. That is an incredibly difficult conversation to have. Melos is a better score. That's it. That's it. Like, yeah.

You can say that. is but like that's not going to be accepted for a vast majority of people they could take that i don't give a fuck i'm not looking for acceptance here you ever scored 50 points no fritos i scored 61 on 2k did you shoot fritos in that game nope yes you did carmelo at the end you done that okay the last thing we're going to do i'm playing a game of 15 questions actually not 20 you guys have 15 questions against the NBA player i'm thinking of okay you guys have your name I have my name. 15 questions.

Is this a current player? This is a current player. Nice. Is he in the playoffs currently? No, he's not. Oh, fuck. I shouldn't have asked that question. I should have asked if he participated in the playoffs.

Fuck! Too bad. Terrible stuff. All right. Did this player make the all-star team this year? He did not make the all-star team this season. Huh. Does he play in the West?

Yes, he plays in the West. Okay. Is this player a starter on his team? A majority of the time Yeah, yeah, yeah, he started this year Okay, he was a consistent starter Consistent starter Huh

Not an all start though All right, we got 10, let's lock in Got 10 left One third of the way through That's a lot The pressure's on You got next question Okay

One question six Is he a wing Yes That's a weird question Yes Okay, so the bigger player Okay, got you Um

Bigger player in the Weston Conference Is not in the box like a champion question do you think that's going to narrow it down sure yeah why not has this player won a championship before this player has won a championship okay there we go let's really lock in that seven questions about halfway through he says okay champion starter in the western conference he currently is not in the playoffs not in the playoffs currently i feel like we do have to cut it down and ask if his team made the playing or better just to just to get clarity to see if

Because if not, then we can knock out, like, six teams. Okay, go ahead. Did this player's team make the play-in or better? Yes, they did. Okay. Yes, they did. So playing or better, they've been eliminated. That's six teams right there.

Okay, so. Because they're not in the playoffs. So we have the Rockets. Who's out? We have the Rockets. The Lakers. The Lakers, the Grizzlies, the Kings, the Mavericks, and the Clippers. okay

they've won a championship before they are towards the Lakers in the Dallas Mavericks okay clear cut shit's mathematic it is running it down it's either shone the dark

wait should I shoot this shit or not go ahead going to is Anthony Davis no that's not a wing nothing about Anthony Davis made sense to be the right answer I thought in terms of wing

I was like okay he's a bigger player. How many questions do we have left? That's eight. Okay. Or is that nine. Okay, again, Clippers, Clippers, Rockets, Lakers, Kings. Nobody on the Kings has won the championship.

No one on the Clippers won the championship other than Kawhi. Nobody on the Rockets is won a championship. I see, well, Jeff Green is, but he's got a starter. Norman Powell. Nobody on the Grizzlies has done it. The Lakers. Did we ask if he's been at all? he wasn't an all star this year so on on the lakers we think about the wings on on the lakers

who's on that 2020 is it kawai no he wait he wasn't an all star this go ahead is this kai leonard no damn okay incorrect are we selling potentially damn okay okay time is ticking you guys are you if you guys don't get this it'll be baffling you guys have narrowed down the team so well, I will be embarrassed for you if you don't get this. Not Kauai, not AD. It just can't be LeBron. If you don't lock in and get it right now, I'm not going to

go outside with you for at least a week. Again, Clippers, Kings, Rockets, but nobody on the Rockets has won. Hmm. Well, Fred. This could be, this could be Clay Thompson.

Go ahead. Shit, I'm shooting off all my, this is Clay Thompson. This is Clay Thompson. Very fucking go. Finally. I was like, How are not getting there.

Shout out to fucking Clay, man. Damn. New haircut and everything. I don't know why those videos are so funny. They're just so stupid. They're trying so hard to not look at the camera. Last thing we're going to do. I said, I think I said last thing for that, but I forgot one more thing.

Liar. I know, I'm a liar. Let's go through and pick the best score in the NBA currently for every single position. Okay. So, point guard through center. Who is the best of scoring the basketball right now? Point guard, I'm just going to show this guy Hell of love right now, Jailen Brunson.

No, I mean, he's up there. She's the MVP. Oh, yeah. Okay, Shay is like, I was just trying to give you some respect. I appreciate you. Salute, but no, it's Shea or if you want to argue Lucas still deserves a crown, but I think for this year alone,

we can give it to Shea. He's earned it. For the last two years, we can give it to Shea. Okay. I mean, Luca was scoring leader last year, but most recent year wasn't on Shay's level he'll get back there but for now it's Shay

yeah okay shooting guard fun one I think it's Anthony Edwards seems pretty easy Devon Booker had a down year not wildly down

yeah I mean the three point shooting leap of ant is ridiculous yeah in between game because it isn't quite as high level like Donovan Mitchell

has less of a load this year so the numbers are down yeah he average like 23 or something but he's probably still the more complete score but the average aren't there

but he also did just score 48 so like you know when asked upon he definitely can do that but they won 64 games they didn't he didn't have to to do too much but i still think aunt being one of the best downhill scores and just being like you know what i'm also going to be one of the best shooters in the league i think it has to go and right yeah if an's going to shoot 42% from three we'll trust that he'll win the games matter he'll do the inside the arc stuff we'll give it to aunt yeah okay small forward this is interesting lebron's not in the conversation anymore i guess katy might be tatum

scoring isn't his most consistent attribute no and that's why as long as Kevin Durant in the league he has to be on your top scores list yeah I agree Katie's an easy answer for me it's hard because he's not he's not one of the most dominant individual scores anymore like it doesn't lead to wins

quite as well but who else would you give it to with this position I don't know so you put anybody on the Phoenix Sun team you're not going to lead anyone to wins anymore at all yeah both are true both are true that's true yeah but Katie's the pick Okay. Power forward.

Janice, that's such an easy answer for me. Oh, yeah, it is incredibly easy. Oh, wow. Every year, over 30 points for game, nobody cares, never touches an MVP, but he's clearly the best square. Yeah, and he proved his mid-range shot two this year, shot like, I think, 43 or 44% from that field. One of the better percentages in league is Janus. No competition, really. I can't even think of a close second.

No, you got it. Listen, Zimsy, it's the same for the center. Unless we include, Kevin Rans can have a power forward, unless you put him there, but. The names after that is like, I don't know. Let's make it easy. Katie at the 3, Yonis at the 4th. Center. Once upon a time, it was Juella and B's award.

Once upon a time, maybe Anthony Davis would be in the conversation. These days, that Serbian man got it. Kind of feels like the best passer is also the best scorer at his position. It's so crazy how he just woke up and decided one day. He missed like he was a. One day. Black hole from the 3. When Calvin Blue started doing a wild job?

He was a black hole from a 3 point line last year. He went out so incredibly sad. against the Minnesota Timberl's from that and he rolled into this year and was like, you know what? I'm a shoot 40% from 3. What did he shoot? Black was a bit dramatic,

but he didn't have a good shooting series for sure. Against the Minnesota Timberles, he, that was a strategy. So, yeah. Yokish is probably the best. Yokish is the best rim scoring touch in the NBA.

He's the base shoots 40% from 3. He's the best post score with his strength. Without Joel and being the conversation, I can't even think of who would be number 2, fucking cat. Listen, maybe, maybe last year in the playoffs, 26% from 3. He was the black.

Yeah, it wasn't pretty Regular season wasn't that bad This year He's fucking hooping, bro It's different levels to it You want to argue for Carlonti Towns? No, I think Yolkins is better I was about to say, please

You're gonna taste that New York I was about to say Donovan as a fellow As a fellow podcaster, stop it I didn't start Before you start, cut it Exactly Before you're up and get back down

Unplug it I didn't do anything Before you're up, stay down So we got Shay Anthony Edwards Kevin Durant Janice Nicole Yokic

The game's about a bucket And this is the most bucket you can get That's true Yeah the only competition Is shooting guard If you want to say D Mitch But that's all intangibles

And like not concrete Because he has had to do it Or point guard For an argue Lucas so deserves the crown Because you think he'll be fine But it's pretty easy to say Shea

It's not exactly disrespectful I'm more shit Yeah It's fine And nobody says Steph Curry's name Unbelievable fucking haters You had a down year But no worries

We still have him in our hearts deep down we know he is on the M-1s. And with that being said, that's the end of the show. A nice long episode. We'll see y'all next week.