The Deep 3 Podcast - How To Fix Every NBA Playoffs LOSER | Ep. 87

Episode Date: May 3, 2024

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All right. No intro. We're recording this at 8.56 p.m. Pacific time on Thursday, right after Nix versus 76 was wrapped up. No intro, Donovan, just take over. Just go. Iso. Everything is possible! Oh my goodness. I have never been happier to be in front of this camera right now. I was about to throw up watching this game. When Brunson, so much have happened. But Brunson had gotten an and won towards the end of the game

and had a free throw opportunity to put the Knicks up four and miss the free throw. And I thought it was over. I thought the sixers were going to pull some magic. The same way that they did in game five, I thought they were going to win. But it doesn't matter. But it just didn't end up mattering because Josh Hart, if I was James Dolan,

knowing that I'm going to be a billionaire for the rest of my life, I'm giving Josh Hart a lifetime contract tonight. I never want him to leave my team. I, this, bro, first of all, the whole team just gutsy. I don't understand how we went from up 20 to down 10. just no offense nothing but the fact that we got these

bums these bozos these losers in Philadelphia out the paint oh my I hate these guys so much I've never ever ever hated a team why more than I hate I hate the Sixers more than I hate more than I hated the Atlanta Hawks two years ago

I hate the way you walk I hate the way you talk I hate the way that's your dress is all trash first of all that's just me I guess. First of all, Embed, it's easy to hate Embed. It's easy to hate somebody, 7-2-280 who wants to act like he's the smallest play on the floor and foul baits all day, right?

Do you want to go with the nut punch to Hardinstein or the nut punch to Mitchell or the little forearm shiver that he gave to Brunson or the step that he gave on Josh Hart? Which moment do you want to pick? Because it's dirty all the way across. This is what happens, right? when a dirty bully meets an actual like tough dirty bully when it when an actual tough right mentally tough team like the new york nix a team that actually plays hard that's what that looks like right that's what that's what that is instead of whatever we've seen joel and b do for the last

six games that's what that is jalen brunson who after two games everyone was like hey maybe Maybe Becky Hamill, maybe Becky Hammond was right. Wrong. Wrong. He just scored 40 every single night. What more do you want from him? That's right, Becky. What more do you want from him?

We are going to Kyle Lowry throwing his caboose everywhere, every five minutes, right? Swinging it. Just slanging it, right? Slangin it? Just slanging it. Slaying it. Like it's a weapon? They don't do that in Magic City, Mo?

They don't, they don't do that magic. City. Not more than him. Not more than him. The whole team, Kelly Ubrey, making one play every six minutes and giving a light skin stare to the crowd, the whole team is as frustrating and as annoying to watch. And it's because they follow their leader, right? They have an all-MBA bozo as their star and I'm happy. I'm happy that we knocked them out the playoffs. And now we're going to go play Indiana. Let's wrap it up. It's going to be a hard series, right? But I feel very good about our chances. So I'll say it right now. I see you guys in the Eastern Conference Finals. Nice. Welcome back to episode 87 of the show. As you guys see about the title, today,

we are talking about every single team that lost in the first round of the playoffs, talking about what's next for them, how they can fix your team going to next year, just general outlook on what went wrong for them, what they can do about it going into next year. But obviously, we've got to start with what Donovan is ranted about the New York Knicks versus the 76ers. We're back. But what are your thoughts on the series after we heard all that from Donovan? Well, obviously, I came up here a couple weeks ago. You know, I was like, you know, I feel super different about Joelle and B coming into this off season, coming into this postseason.

That was so fucking wrong. I said that this is going to be the Joelle and Bid run. We're going to see him make the Eastern Conference finals. And no one is standing in his way. There's no Jimmy Butler he has to face or whatever because obviously we know what happened. The Boston soldiers that tells us their number one T. They won't, they're not in that trajectory whatsoever. We all know what's happening with the Bucks.

There should be realistically speaking, no one standing their way whatsoever. But then Jalen Brunson is six one ass is looking at me. And that's a completely different story. You had the tallest six one motherfucker in the world in his way this time. Yeah. It's so interesting because we did our predictions episode on the live stream before this started. And I, this is the series, I didn't give a prediction. I copped out.

I was like, I do not know who to pick. I was like, this is going to be a seven game brawl. I don't feel confident enough to give you any prediction of any sort. And I think that's exactly what happened. I didn't feel safe about who was going to win this game until the last play of the game where the next close it out. I felt like this is going to seven, the entire series. It was some of the best, most high quality basketball we've seen in our first-round series. and I don't know how long

and as long as I've been watching basketball this is up there some of the best first round series I've ever seen just two teams going to war I don't think Joelle and Blue play terrible I don't think he shit himself like it has in the past

but he struggled with some games because the next defense is that tenacious like Donovan said Janlon Brunson didn't play great to start the series played fucking exceptional to close the series and we just got up and down great performances in both teams we saw the strengths of both teams

it was really a full package of what you want from a first round series or any series to that matter This just felt like an Eastern Conference finals. 100%. Zach Lowe tweeted out right after the game that the point differential in this entire series after six games was Knicks plus one. That's how close this entire series has gotten where you had the crazy Nick comeback in game two

and then immediately in game five, the script completely flips. Sixers do basically the exact same thing, right? Have a very similar moment. And I don't know. this series like this is one of those series where we talk a lot about like the scoring increase in games and how no lead is safe it's the same thing happened here the nicks were up 20 in the in the first quarter and it didn't really matter they got walked down and by the by half time they were down but towards the end of the game and this happened throughout the entire series if somebody went up four somebody went up five with like even with like four minutes to go you kind of felt like oh man this is like a lot of lot to overcome. Every possession was so critical. Every, every second was so crucial to where everybody was doing. And I think that the series really epitomized playoff basketball, like what a lot of people liked. And if you're not a Knicks or a Sixers fan, the series was really fun for you.

If you are, if you're a Knicks fan now, the series is fun. But like, going through it, if you were on either side, this was the worst most, like, gut-wrenching, stomach-turning series that you could watch. But it's good though. Like, like, real talk. Shout out. Shout out to the Sixers because they did like play well. And for Joelle and B to have basically a week and a half of runtime coming into the

series and then still have a 40 point game, a 50 point game in the series. Like that's, that's crazy. And he had a triple double. He had 10 assists in one of the games where he shot poorly. Like he, he didn't get slanted. He played bad in that in that game. He did. Yeah.

Scoring wise, for sure. But his playmaking, he found ways to impact games Whatever he was in scoring well That's fair He's gonna get slander like always Because he's Yulele and Bid and he's the top three player in the world His fourth quarters weren't great though His fourth quarters weren't great

Sure for sure But again he's thinking of slander no matter what He played fine not obviously to the caliber he plays in the regular season But it's one of the better series we've seen from in a while And I think a lot of the reasons Why we can point to like the fourth quarters like you said It's a big it's a roster construction thing a lot of times too

their lack of depth really showed in this series and that's something we talked about the deadline right we were like this team is good and they have potential Joeline Bays injury

muddies it up a little bit but you could understand why they could have been buyers the deadline to really make a push this year they're good enough with the Eastern Commerce as weak enough

they didn't do that they decided to hold their chips for the off season hold their cap space and one that can be real big players there in free agency and I came back to bite him luckily tonight

Buddy Healed had the game of his fucking life he had like eight threes he went berserk came back from the dead after being unplayable for five games before this but those five games before this

Buddy Hill didn't do anything the one off season one midseason addition none of the other guys really carried their weight and Joelle and Beat had to play big minutes every time I got to the fourth quarter he was gassed

he couldn't sit at all or else they got ran off the court in those minutes and it showed in the fourth quarter he needed more help because the team was really on his back and as a big guy there's a reason that besides Yokic not a lot of big guys can handle

this kind of on-ball usage it's hard to have that type of conditioning against a team like the Knicks who makes you fight for your life to get every rebate that tired him out, and that's why the Knicks prevailed the end, I think. It's that, man. Like, you tell me you have a person starting on your team who's making $40 million a year.

They play 30 minutes and they put up the same amount of points as you. Like, yo, that's a huge issue. That's a humongous issue. Tobias Harris shouldn't be allowed to walk in the streets of Philadelphia anymore, bro. It's that serious. It's that level of robbery, thievery. It's a scammer One of the greatest I've ever seen of all time

You're telling me you're supposed to be the third option On a team like this And you put up zero points It's ridiculous And it's okay Two shots, two shots He didn't even try Two shot two shot

That's what's even worse That's what's even worse Cardio, cardio He's hitting that 13330 getting his steps in He's out there getting a summer waist He's out there burning calories In a waist trainer Flat tummy T everything

yeah everything he's running the summer with his tube tops i mean isico elliard for the meeting catcone he got that's the biggest sure for the 76ers that's the biggest takeaway you know exactly what you need of course like they could have cashed in and sold in and me personally i wanted them to because i feel like joel mb's time as a high level NBA player is very limited to considering all the things that he goes through randomly throughout every single postseason, whether it's like a tummy ache or half of his face isn't working or it's the knee or his elbow, his face, like, whatever, whatever injury, worst case scenario that you can think can happen has probably happened to Joel and

B, bro. It's that serious with him. Every year to happen. So for you to waste another year of his postseason peak, this is probably the best postseason he's ever played in off the top of my head easily by far, considering it's only like five games or six games or whatever but still it's damning to me to go ahead and see him play this hard and also it being wasted but at the same time you darrow morey know what is needed to go ahead and level up this team and pretty much knowing on this team can come back unless maybe

kair larry nick batum and like kai and uh ubrae but that's it you need that from head let's talk about that listen we're going to have plenty time to talk about the nicks yeah and the next series against the Pacers, especially on Monday's stream, where we're going to be previewing the second round for the most part. And again, if you're not tapping into the streams, the playoffs, this is the time to tap in. Because like I said, this episode is about whatever team should do into this next season. We covered that about the Suns at length. Our last stream was dedicated to tearing down the Sun's failures and talking about what they should do next. So we're not going to cover them again today, unless you guys have thoughts at the end. So be sure to go

check out that stream because that's kind of the precursor this conversation. But, Mo, that's a good transition. Let's focus on the 76ers and get into the first segment of this main pod. What should the sixes do going to next year? If you're a 70-6ers fan, I want to buy his Harris out of here immediately, bro. Yep. And I just look for wing depth. I see what other wings are going to be available throughout this, throughout the post or in the, uh, off season. Obviously, Paul George hasn't resigned his deal just yet.

Have to be thinking what's going on over there. He could be an option. He should be an option. I believe they have a max, a max, uh, space. available and also they have plenty of plethora of picks as well. So everything needs to be optimized from head to toe when things just need to be torn down from like they need to scrap all this shit up. Tobias Harris, his contract is up now. He's going into free agency as an unrestrictor free agent. And if they basically if they get rid of everybody else besides Joel and Bitt and

Tyrese Maxi, they can get a max base spot and some. So there's not going to be any like big stars in this class unless Paul George makes some shit shake and doesn't resound with the clippers. Yeah. But they'll have ability to get like more. multiple key pieces. You know, originally their thought was hopefully that could be one of Ogen,

Anobi or Siakum or whoever else. It doesn't look like that Ogena Nobi's going anywhere. So, TBD, who that's going to be, but they also have the capability of sign and trading

Tobias Harris, if there's anybody out there that wants them and like some other stuff. But Donovan, Buddy Heald's a free agent this summer. Yes.

They have to. Like, obviously, obviously this series was not kind to him, but Like tonight, and I guess this is how GMs keep getting tricked year in and year out, but like it's games like tonight where you're like, okay, it kind of makes sense to have a knockdown shooter who can get that hot whenever Joel Embedithes is, is that crazy. And he's going, he's going wild because when buddy he was doing this thing, it was purely because like the Sixers ran the same play, like six, seven times.

They were like, okay, Embed, you're going to get to where this little like star search. is area on the on the on the uh what is that left right up you're you're going to be in the mid block right we're going to wait until the nix double swing swing swing and we're going to find buddy healed and it happened like six seven times and if you choose to to double joel and bead because he's going to score 30 35 a night in 33 minutes which is very common you need to have shooters around him that can make teams pay for doubling and not allow teams to try and go one-on-one really slow the game down and not have everybody else involved. So I would re-sign Buddy Heald.

100. Yeah, that makes sense. Depends on what the number is. I've been pretty vocal about thinking Buddy Hill kind of stinks. Tonight, he showed the best case scenario. And he's, that's the type of a player that heck it has that streaky upside, obviously, being, like, Mo reminds us plenty of times, one of the best shooters of all time, statistically. Knights of these can always happen. So if the price is right, I can understand, keeping them around.

If he's going to, he shouldn't be the starting, definitely not going to be a starting spot. I don't think I wouldn't want that. What I do think they should do is my main move for them. KCP has a player option for $15 million this year. He's going to opt out of that because he's going to get paid. We'll see what the Nuggets do. If they pay him and give him like the $25 to $30 million, he's probably going to command the open market.

Their luxury tax bill is going to be out of this world. A lot of Nuggets fans are theorizing they might lose KCP for that reason. If KCP is going to leave the nuggets, he has to be a sixer. It is the ideal piece to pair next to Tyrese Maxi, give them a legit 3&D wing. everything that Kyle Lauer was doing for them as an on-ball defender being pesky throwing the caboose around KCP can do that while actually being athletic

and good at basketball and young. They need to get KCP. 100%. And I, okay, so like, when it comes to Buddy Heald, though, I do think really whoever it is, like if you're going to keep Buddy Healed, if you're going to go get KCP,

the shooter that you have, if they're going to be like an up and down player, you can only have, one of those you've seen that you can see that over the last four or five years with tobias harris in the lineup you haven't had a lot of room for error to have two like very volatile players in the lineup if you do keep buddy healed i like everybody else all this like high upside you're really really going to have to hit because the consistency that they had on the perimeter was not was not great and ultimately it was it was the downfall of them they also definitely

need another playmaker. Kyle Lowry, like I mentioned, was super important, especially in the playing game against Miami Heat. They needed another passer. You know, there was that one game we're talking about where the Miami Heat were throwing nonstop zones at them, and all these primitive defenders, player players in the 76 years

were just befuddled. They need another playmaker there. That's not Tyrese Maxi. Somebody from the bench. Campaign, it was cool. He helped, but they got to upgrade that position as well. Facts. Yeah. Shout out a campaign, though. So if they aren't going to, if they don't have the ability to go ahead and sign KCP and some other team throws him an even bigger

bag or the Denver Nuggets re-sign him because he likes the winning coach for and he gets the bag. There are another player who just makes a lot of sense who's also like an impact player meaning like if he's not getting buckets, he's either getting rebounds. If he's not getting rebounds, he's being a fucking menace on the defensive end. That's like the difference between the Sixers and the New York Knicks. The Knicks have impact from like one to fucking 10. you are getting elbows thrown you are people are flying at the room 110% almost at all times or someone's giving you buckets and someone who i believe who fits that same mold

of just like impact fisciness is someone like bruce brown i believe he has like a 23 million dollar team option and i have to imagine why the fuck what the tarn of raptors go ahead and decide to accept that i think they'll accept it with the trainer maybe if they do that then that throws a rift and everything, but if there is a scenario where he ends up being a free agent, then I believe he should be another player on the target list. I'll probably prefer case of the spacing, but Bruce Brown adds the same type of value. The good thing is they can get both. Like, they had the cap space. They're going to have more like I have max spot. KCP isn't going to quite demand that. So let's say they sign a KCP or somebody equivalent. They also have

draft picks from the James Harden trade. So let's say they pick up that team option for Bruce Brown. They could ship out somebody for cap fill or whatever plus one of those draft for Bruce Brown. So that's, that's the good thing with them is they can do a big signing plus a trade. And another possibility is, you know, Lonzo Ball's supposed to be back next year. He has a team option, or I think a player option for $20 million. If he option to that, I can see the Bulls trading him. They have some young backcourt now that maybe he's no longer needed there. He would fit ideally next to Tyreys Maxie if he was ever healthy. Lonzo Ball like three years ago. We'll fit. We'll see. We'll see. He might be cheap. It's a good

by-low. Yes. If it, if Lonzo Ball's contract is not going to cost a lot. lot. I'm cool with it. Um, but I mean, we haven't seen Lonzo playing two and a half three years. Like I, you know, it's, it's going to be a massive gamble. This channel didn't exist with the last time Lonzo played, bro. It's crazy as fuck. Wow. Yeah. Another thing though, the harder part is they need the ideal version Tobias Harris to be another scoring option there because like obviously a good three indie wing and a backup point guard or essential. But to really compete with like the Celtics, they probably need one more scoring punch. Like they need their version of mpj as like a third option that's not quite a star but can put the ball in the hoop i don't know

how they find that unless it's like you know everyone keeps talking about this summer there's going to be a lot of player movement with the second apron stuff coming into play maybe a disgruntled you know like low-level star record is available we don't know about yet but if not i don't really know if they can feel that whole brandon ingram congratulations you are a philadelphia 76er he's a discounted star always he might be i think i was watching as a post game presser the couple nights ago one that got eliminated by okayc and uh he was talking about how he just needs to be better overall and that same dab believe david griffin he was out here basically like just saying things are going to change is going to be made we have all the information now that we

need and brandon ingram is a piece who i feel like would be pretty not perfect on the sixers but it would be a fucking major upgrade compared to what tobias harris gives you anything would at this point in time yeah we know let's turn into that. Let's go to our second team in this segment. We'll see what the sixers do. A lot of talking about them coming up. Since the last episode, the Oklahoma City Thunder concluded their sweep of the New Orleans Pelicans. It was just, as expected, a blowout. You know, I've been talking about how good this Thunder are all year and people were like, oh, they're going to be an easy target, whatever, whatever, because they're young. That didn't

matter anymore because Zion Williamson got hurt. So they never really had a chance to be exposed for any of their weaknesses because the Pelicans just did not have enough without Zion. And all the flaws he talked about look a thousand times worse when it was I on there to cover them up and they got blitz on both sides of the ball I think we can safely assume like you just said they're going to make some changes this summer from everything we're hearing it's zion herb Jones probably trey Murphy and then everybody else can go what do you see is the biggest need of these to address you know they have a lot of needs which one do you guys see is the most pressing see Dave McCollum he's one of the biggest issues for me personally you hate this man

keep going I genuinely do I genuinely do bro I don't hate him him, I just hate what he does on the basketball court. And, like, I always just say this. Like, bro, if you're, you have to pick a struggle, you know, and he just decides to struggle out of everything when he's needed the most. You're supposed to be the vet, but you're out here looking like a rookie against Josh giddy and then boys. What is going on here?

You did not get paid for this, all right? He gets paid, like, he gets paid to buy his Harris type money. And at this point in time, considering also, like, I'll give him a little bit of grace because he is playing out of position. he's not a he's not naturally a point guard whatsoever he's always been a two that's what he's known for that's what he's played his entire NBA career and so obviously I can't put too much on him I just think that the 70 that the pelicans have gone enough information to this point to where they have to understand he's not the connective piece that we need to go ahead and settle

things down and organize an offense he is not the point of attack defender that we need whatsoever because herb Jones is carrying everything on his back and a lot of it is because of this man. He is a shooter, but he's not the shooter that we necessarily need considering all the other deficiencies that he has throughout the rest of the court. Yeah. So he got I don't think he's as terrible as you think, but I do think he should probably go because they need to start Tram Murphy and Herb Jones together and obviously you're going to start Zion. That's your two through four. Tray Murphy can be an oversized two, Herb at the three, Zion at the four. And while CJ can be a contributing player as a shooting guard, not for this team for all the reasons you just

said. And they need a point guard. It's pretty clear, right? They need passing. Donovan, you know how I feel about Jonas Valchunis. Do you feel similarly? Does he have to go? Yeah. He does. He does. Just because like when you, in the Western Conference, the three top teams, you're either going to be going up against Yokic. So you might want to have somebody who can stand any type of chance to, you know, somewhat make it hard on Yokic. You're going to be going up against Karathy Towns of Rudy Gaubert, right? You need somebody who can either expose one of them or put some pressure, you know, put some pressure on them defensively. And you're going to, you're going to be going up against Oklahoma City Thunder. And you're going to be going up against

Chet Holmgren. And as we saw in this series, like, yeah, you can kind of go at Chahomgrin. That could be your game plan. But if you sit back and you're like, you know what we're going to do tonight we're giving yonis 20 post-ups and that's going to be our offense that's really nasty you know it's not going to work exactly like and so whenever zion does come back you need a five who can fit next to him so that zion and him being six-six bowling ball you know de lineman with a 40-inch vertical that he can be the one going at chan hung grim because that's going to that's going to be much more successful than having yonis valentius post him up a million times so yeah i feel the exact same way he has to go. I agreed for all the reasons you just said. We talked about

at a late class episode. Go check that out. I'm very opinion on the matter. I'll let it rest because every Lithuanian on Twitter wants to kill me. So two options. Go ahead. In order for them to address their point guard position, I feel like it's a little bit easy. Well, actually, I take that back. It's harder to find a center specifically who can catered towards Zion Williams's needs, considering like the defensive issues at times and also like it would be really nice if you had a spacing five. But in order to find a guard, I feel like you would have a lot easier time considering like things going around the league.

Another disgruntled star could possibly, we're not 100% sure what's happening. That situation is still loitering, but Darius Garland has not been having a fantastic time in Cleveland and the synergy between him and Donald and Mitchell has been into questions so that could potentially be an option or you could wait until the offseason and possibly signed Tyos Jones. He's a point guard who can get everything settled. He can space, obviously, and he's a traditional guard at that point,

which is what they really need. DeAndre Russell could be a free agent, too. And I know he's name isn't exactly in good standings, but might be a better fit there. I don't know. Nobody's excited about the idea of the team. So he's going to play somewhere and he can

shoot and pass. It's even worse than. Not the first priority when you go into his off season. but if they left with Delo starting there next to all those wings, it wouldn't be awful. I'll say that. As a worst case scenario, that could be an option to throw him a big contract.

But that's even worse than Cedda McCollum. Oh, we're not. Fit wise, fit is everything. But yeah, you mentioned that center's harder. Very hard. Let's talk about that because

Jonas von Junis is an unrestrict of free agent. He's going to walk for nothing. So they're not going to be able to trade him unless, for some reason somebody does a sign and trade for him, but he's not that caliber player to demand a sign and trade, you know? The best free agent is, available is Nick Claxton, who isn't a big lumbering oaf down there. She's not going to destroy your spacing, but he's not a shooter.

So, you know, he's going to be the dunker spot and it's not ideal next to Zion. But he can survive with a non-spacing big if the shooting around him outside of those positions is good enough. Is there anybody you guys see becoming available in the trade market? That makes sense at the spacing big? Because that's what it's going to have to be. The only part... I mean, I don't know.

The only, like, shooting big that comes to mind, like, we talked a lot at the deadline about Kelly Olinick and oh true you know and and Olinick potentially going to the thunder he would have fit perfectly there I think if you have him there next to Zion I mean that would it would be nice offensively defensively hey Herb Jones keep doing you know keep doing what you're doing you're going to have to carry a lot a lot Trey Murphy keep doing what you're doing but like it's if you want to maximize Zion that's kind of the way to go because you to find elite three and d three and d centers nobody's given those those guys away right like those guys aren't walking for nothing and the the players who are actually like elite three and d they are going to

command a certain amount of money and i'm sure that the teams that they are on are extremely happy with having a five who can do that and unlock your offense so you have to pick one or the other in my opinion. Do you want a, do you want like a rangey center who's really athletic and can guard the rim or do you want to kind of lean towards offense and get a shooting big? The only, the best case scenario for them I can think of, which isn't even that great for a variety of reasons I'll talk about, but the buck's lost. I think, spoiler, they just got eliminated as well.

We're going to talk about them probably next. They're going to have to shake some shit up. Maybe the way they shake things up, I saw a tweet about this, is maybe they embrace Janus at the five and get rid of Brooke Lopez. for a draft capital the pelicans have a ton of picks they could do a three teen trade with somebody else that takes them sends the money that makes it work to the bucks and they send some draft picks for brookelopez he's old and not a good long-term solution next to zion but that could be a good short-term solution to help there he kind of looked a little ify but he's a stretch five that can

help you defensively and stretch the floor even if he is getting older day by day i would a hundred and ten percent do that i would look i like that how the boston's tealtics look at al horford i'll look at brookez the exact same way if i'm the nor Warren's Pelicans. Like, hey, this dude is old, but we don't ask them to do too much. Stan, get your big ass back there and just lift your hands up like these. And when we run, when we're on the other side of the court, stand on the perimeter and we're fucking Gucci. But it's different though. Big if, big if the buck don't get rid of him. We don't know. We just no reason to know what they will. It's just a perfect scenario. That'd be cool.

Yeah. And it's a, it's a big if in that sense. And also the Celtics don't ask Al Horford to do crazy stuff because they have Christop's Pwingsings another five who can, who can protect the room and, and shoot very well. Like, if Brooke Lopez was going to go to New Orleans, he's going to be the starter, right? Like, you're bringing it, you're bringing him in to anchor your defense. So a lot actually would be asked of Brooke Lopez if you went there. But I like that fit a lot. So, yeah, I would do it.

I would do that if I was New Orleans. Maybe Wendell Carter. Oh, I was going to say, Wendell Carter, he should be an option as well because he necessarily hasn't had the greatest year with the Orlando Magic. there's been times where he of course he went through injuries that's just like ruined the entire the entire floor of the season and even when he was when he did come back there were times where he just wasn't even starting it and wasn't really involved in that offense as you would think he is and so i'm not 100% sure how they view in value him a part of the core alongside palo

and maybe franz because yeah so there's they're still figuring out a lot of things yeah but if when dell becomes available he might be the best all in encompassing shot to fulfilling all those answers. I agree. They have John Isaac starting now. They have Go-Good. They have Wagner, who's a great backup. Wendell will be getable, and I imagine he's on a new team next year.

But let's move on, because we know we talk about that length over the whole year, but with the Pelicans have issues. We'll see. They're going to make something happen, so they're probably the most sure bet to address some of these issues of all the teams we talk about. 100%. Let's talk about the other team they got eliminated

today. Probably less interesting. but let's get it over with the bucks should the bucks do anything next year you know they lost in the first round no hard to take it super seriously they lost the honest with the whole series so you can't really learn much about it but obviously the year was another disaster

since the damian luther trade but donovan what do you think do they have they're not going to get rid of dame right they're going to keep this team together no yeah they don't they don't have any moves like you you fired a coach halfway through the season you need for everything that we say about

Doc Rivers. If we want to be fair to him, you need an entire offseason for everybody on your roster to be under Doc Rivers program so that everybody can figure out what they need to do. At the same time, Dame came in tonight. He was not healthy. Like you said, they missed Janus the entire time. I need to see six, seven, eight months and a real mentality change from Janus and from the bucks, and I think that only happens if they do some reflecting over the offseason. That's, that's the only thing that I can, I can think of. We've saw the improvement from, um, from them after they got Doc Rivers as a coach. We saw the defense get, uh, get up. A little bit. Yeah. And it kind of came back down towards the end. They were, they were, they were awful at the start

of the year. I want to see Chris Madison. Dr. Rivers actually did some good things in the series. Doc Rivers wasn't terrible in the series. He actually, they fought hard with their lack of talent. They made the Pelican, they made the Pacer sweat a little bit by switching to a switching defense. In the first couple games, they just decided to put two on the ball, which is like the common defensive meta now, blitz the ball handler and make him, make your role players beat you. And that's exactly

what the Pacers wanted, right? They have a lot of guys that can keep the ball moving. Tyre's Halliburans said it beat you was passing. That was stupid as fuck, I think. But he quickly switched around and they switched to switching everything 1 through 5 essentially and making the pitches beat you 1-1 at scores, which is far from their

forte, right? Aaron E. Smith isn't trying to be out here attacking Brooke Lopez off the dribble. That was a good adjustment by Doc legitimately, and I think we saw good fight out of him and good adjustments, whether it's him or the assistants, whoever may be. Does that give you faith for that whole office season, like you said, that they'll be decent under his vision next year?

A little bit, yeah. But I think my biggest concern with them isn't Doc Rivers. It's the fact that whether you are under Doc Rivers or under Adrian Griffin, Janice and Dame never seemed to click and that is that is with this entire thing is built around we are we are our entire championship hopes are around the idea that damien lillard and yannis are going to be this insane two man game and we're going to be able to wipe the rest of the league with those two and if they are on

the same page then nothing else we do matters you're not winning a championship if they're not clicking so that's what concerns me more than anything going into the offseason with them i a 110% agree like they could try their absolute best to do things to like fix all around the edges and get another two because Patrick Beverly's he's gonna be a free agent also Malik Beasley

got to resign the Nassas or else Janus is going to throw a hisy fit so of course you gotta like do all it doesn't matter what all what they do they could like go ahead resign the Nasus and add I don't know who's an impactful to who's good at defense can kind of shoot De Anthony Melton you know like

they could go ahead and do that but at the end of the day like none of that shit matters if dame and yannis aren't the duo that we all thought they were going to be or can't even be half of that they weren't even a quarter of that this season bro yeah i get that also so that's an issue obviously all we can do is hope that time fixes that the biggest issue i think though like it's it's a good bet that that will be better after a whole another off season more time more health if they ever are healthy because it's two years in a row where yonis is fucked by injuries but you know that's whatever you're gonna bet on those two stars The bigger problem, I think, is that this team is old as dirt. Straight geriatric, straight old person's home. It's quite pitiful. And even though they're old as hell, they're not like top heavy with like great veterans or anything. The story, this game that lost got eliminated, the Pacers had T.J. McConnell and Obie Top and with 20 points off the bench, just blitzing them. Guess how many field goals the Bucks made from their bench players today?

Three. Four. Shit! One of which was like Chris Livingston and Garbage Son. You had two minutes and 30 seconds play today. I barely know who that is. He was a high school. Andre Jackson Jr.

played five minutes. Goddainz. Andre Jackson Jr. played five minutes. Godfrews needs to play these young guys. He needs to play Andre Jackson Jr. Every buck's fan is screaming about it. That is one step needs to be done. Free of space for Andre Jackson to play.

He's the new Pauli. But after that. What you said? I say he's the new Paul Reed. Yeah, literally. He's just the same exact situation. But even outside of that, all their role players,

Danilo Galanari played three minutes. Malik Beasley played 22 minutes and ran around was one for five from the field. You respect Danila Gallinari and his Mohawk. You never seen the Mohawk like that. You're mad you can never grow a mohawk like that ever in your life. Shut up about him.

They need to get younger. And listen, I mentioned maybe a Brooke Lopez trade is in play if in a perfect word for the Pelicans to get him. That might have to be what they do because I don't know. You're not going to trade Chris Middleton. He's more valuable to you than anybody else, I think. Damon and honest are untouchable.

You're probably not getting much for Bobby Portis. Maybe that's something they explore, though. Maybe somebody wants them. I don't know. Brooke Lopez is old. He has a lot of value for his archetype. Move off of him, maybe make Yon's a full-time center.

I don't know. Whatever it is, they need young pieces in there to rejuvenate them and try to get them some type of depth. You know, you know,

another random tyrant. What's here? Tireade. We talk a lot about how in the playoffs, that matters less, right? And how it goes like an eight or nine my rotation.

Yeah. People use that to cope so much for teams that have no depth. That became so the other way where people were like, Oh, it doesn't matter that our bench sucks. It matters less than the playoffs. It matters less than playoffs when you have at least three guys that are good.

This team needs three guys that are good off the bench. Bad, because it's like the same thing with the problem with the Suns. There is no depth here, and that needs to be addressed. Otherwise, the Star Shade doesn't even really matter. Except the Suns don't have five guys who are good. They need to figure that out before you get to the bench. That's hilarious, right? Yeah, no, it's, they're cooked.

I honestly. They are they are I think Milwaukee is I agree that like if I were them I would make the bet on Yannison and dame trying to you know figure their stuff out but honestly if it was us three in the in the front office

and I came to y'all and I was like hey let's keep Brooke Lopez let's trade Chris Middleton how would you guys feel? I would slap you and I would tie you up and throw your wets in the closet bro Yep. Physical violence? Yeah.

Report me to HR. That's the dumbest that I ever heard. Get him out of here. But here's why. Here's why. We've seen, I wouldn't slap you. It's been two and a half years.

I would do it for you, Isaac. It's been two, two and a half years of us waiting for Chris Middleton to get back to where he was in 2021. What if that guy's just not here anymore? What if he's just not there? Like he's, listen, he played well, like in, in this. series and he's had moments throughout the season where you're like, okay, no, like it's coming

along. But the guy that scored 40 in the finals, I don't know if he's ever coming back. So I feel like if you have your duo of Janice and Dame, why not, I guess, be a year early rather than a year too late on Middleton. Why don't think you're early anymore? I think it'll be like right on time. I think everybody else sees this too. But I'm not, I'm not like, well, I wouldn't slap the shit out of you or anything. I would be like, all right, well, what are we getting? for him, you know, like, if there's a good deal out there, I don't think he's untouchable. Like, if you, if there's somebody that values him enough to give you, like, pieces out of help your weaknesses, I'm with it. But I'd be a little hesitant because of how much we don't know

the Janus and Dame thing's going to work. Chris Middleton is like a good safety valve there where we know what Janus and Chris Middleton do it will work in a playoff setting. So, like, if they were all healthy and let's say Dame is having an off game, you could rely on a Chris Middleton, Yonis pick and roll with Dane Space on the floor and attacking close outs, right? could be a look for you. Yeah, I feel like Chris Middleton is way to, he's invaluable to this team because he is the gap between what Janus does really well and also what Damiener does really well. You know, him getting those super tough post midrange fadeaways and, you know, like playing in between the three point line and the pain and being a different type of

ball handler facilitator and just playing the game at a completely different pace than almost anyone in the NBA, I feel like that's so value. He put up like, he averaged like 28 or 27 this series and he shot if stupidly well. He played great. Yeah, he looked good. I, I like agree with both you guys sentiment of just like something

needs to be broken from the main group and I would like lean towards Isaac's way of like Ben, not Ben, what's his name? Brooke Lopez being traded first because I know he's probably, I don't want to see he's the more valuable commodity, but he's highly sought after.

because he's just the more rare piece. And I'll hit up teams left and right. But the problem is, I see what Dom is saying because they're not in a place of strength and leverage. They're going to have to do something unfortunate. They're going to have to give a piece they really like to keep. So it's really whichever one will bring the best return, which all comes down to other teams and what they value.

So there's definitely a world where I think they have to entertain what Donman's talking about. Lumpy Head can't go. But also like you've already, and another reason why I think that Christmas might have to be the one to go, you've already made a move that sacrificed your defense. You already got Drew Holiday out of here. If you got, if in two off seasons, you went from having Drew Holiday at your one and Brooke Lopez at your five to now not having either one of them and replacing Drew Holiday with

Damien Lillard, like your defense is significantly going to take a hit. One of the reasons why we were okay with the fact that they went out and got damned for Drew is because you're like, okay, like, at the end of the day, you still have Janice and Brooke and you have that foundation on your back line. You felt kind of good about it. If Brooke is the one to go this off season, I don't know if you feel good about your defense going into next year on top of the uncertainty with Janus and Dave. That is true.

I feel like that ended up foiling, though, because a lot of people realized that not to be disrespectful towards Brooke Lopez, but he was like a little bit overrated as a defender and he was kind of a Drew Holiday merchant. It's a little bit. No, he wasn't. With the way, he's just getting old. It's getting old for sure, but he's just like a little bit over. I think how good and how elite of a defender he was, whatever, was just a little bit overbearing, in my opinion.

No. And I see how once I saw Drew Hall already taken out of that defensive scheme and also, like, obviously, I'm not going to act like Mike Booneholtzer just didn't get deleted from the whole entire equation. I just see a lot more value in that than Brooke Lopez, personally. I feel you. Yeah, it's less valuable when you have a Drew holiday. And like I said, he's not getting any older than younger. So pretty soon he's going to be far less effective as a room protector. So I understand.

But that's three teams. We are halfway through this. So what that means is it's time for producer corner. Woo. Nikiel, what you got for us? Let's go, Nekiel. The Q, the Q, the Q, the Q, the Q, the Q, the Q, Koo, the Q, Koo, the Q, Koo, the Q, Koo, a round of applause.

Hey, yo, hey, yo. our viewers don't know what I was about to say after that they don't know that someone feel insulted oh my god all right let's get a producer corner ah whoa

why you yell I don't know listen I'm excited the next one it's amazing that's what we're talking about today all right man Listen, you'll know why I always have like a little narrative to start with. So I've been in my nerd bag lately.

As always. I need that I was coming. I'll say it. Listen, say whatever you want to say. I'll say it. So I realized, you know, Wembe and I were kind of the same. Okay. I'm listening.

Mel, how do you think me and Wembe are the same? the only thing that I can think of you guys being the same is like you guys might have the same complexion that's it no no no I mean that's kind of close but basically like a couple months ago he was like yeah after 930 phone on airplane mode it's time for me to read all right and I get that because because my phone is also dry after 930 so I understand all right there's no hose in the line I guess I text my count am I just nobody all right are you volunteering to be the hose whoa no

he just said his phone be dry and I mean you are that's your role I appreciate the sentiment but you're not her all right guys come on focus

so I've been in my nerve so I've been in my nerve bag so I've been reading a Harry Potter book and then I've been watching a movie so I've kind of been going through the series again and it's actually really fun

all right so it's kind of been like the nerdy thing it's been nice to like kind of follow along on like Reddit and see what people's like thoughts are because I haven't done this as like an adult I was just like a little kid when I did this

I'm really enjoying this Listen Reddit named Harry Potter is hilarious Now you're a Harry Potter Reddit sounds nasty I used to I Whenever I was younger I used to be all up in like Harry Potter fan fiction and all this Like I was there you're gonna get to a weird place

And you get to the books with trunks in it The book oh yeah I'm I'm looking forward to that Okay keep going What is your question? You know, can I, can I meander my way to the point? Okay. Yes.

Thank you. You asked after you already did it. You already did the meandering. Don't ask now. All right. So basically, you know, I've been nerdy, been on Reddit, whatever. I want to know what is some of the nerdy things about you guys? What did the viewers not know?

Where do I begin? It can be like random internet, like subcultures. It can be something you do outside of the internet. Like, listen, you guys might be touching grass in a nerdy way. I don't know. Well, you go first. Tell us something new, man. We know how you feel about nerdy stuff.

So go ahead and give us your deepest, darkest secret. I mean, I feel like everyone is a nerd when it comes to random passions and hobbies and stuff like that. When it comes to basketball, the most random times, bro, I'm looking at players, stats, like guys like, there was some dude who I was watching. You can't pick basketball. called like wife swap and I was looking at his swap but not basketball sometimes I go ahead and I sit down and I look at I don't know I'm kind of into fitness and health and I that's just like very intriguing to me and whenever something physically happens to me like recently I strained my calf I've been watching so many fucking calf videos bro I know every single part of

the calf bro there's a and I figured out the other day that I hurt my soulless which is the lower calf so Christophez Perzingis actually hurt and that hurt like a bitch the reason the same reason why you see Christops Prisianis Janice Jamal Murray was a limping on that motherfucker too So I guess I just get really nerdy

When he comes to like the body And figuring out like what's going on with me Whether it be like physically And like what I'm eating as well So what you're saying is you're a Jim bro Nah That's a long way to get him around to Jim bro Do you read that stuff and like freak out

Or are you just like, oh, okay, it is what it is? No, everywhere. Literally everywhere. I like, whether it would be like TikTok videos, YouTube videos that were posted like 14 years ago, like I'm all over this place. I'm well-rounded. Okay.

What about you, Donovan? Let's see. I really like to. You're not very nerdy, so I don't know. Yeah, but I mean, well, I really like to cook. And so I think, like, learning about, like, learning about, like, different cooking techniques and then kind of like the food science behind it.

and like why like one ingredient works with another one is is kind of cool like I learned I was watching some like pancake video the other day and learned that you can learn that like you can mix like apple cider vinegar with regular milk to make like a buttermilk kind of consistency that where you don't have to go out and like buy buttermilk because you like don't have to you know because you only use buttermilk like once every you only use it like once every month you know what I'm saying but like that's the most auction I've ever heard. You know what I'm saying, but like, but if you have, like, regular milk on hand and I have apple cider vinegar.

Because why would you go buy buttermilk? Exactly. Exactly. Then you can just use it on like on command, on demand. So yeah, I think something like that. You're a big buttermilk pancake guy? That's like your thing. So like I haven't, I haven't been because I've been like cutting or whatever.

But like once, like I haven't been cooking with a lot of like fats and oils and like butter and stuff like that. But once I do get back into that phase, then yeah, like I will. I like, yeah, I like pancakes and and pancakes and waffles are too very like just blah, just perfect. Donovan is an immaculous cook, man. That's something that a lot of people don't know from what I just see outside looking in.

The other day, I try, I put some on a grill for the first time, bro, and I burned hell of buns on the goddamn grill. We're going to show, we're going to show. we're going to show the picture they were cartoonishly burnt black that was the most 25 year old thing I've ever heard you say

Donovan what yeah the whole tirade was so grown man I was aggressively adult what are you that's so embarrassing not a bad way you're just you're an adult an adult ass answer

what are you nerdy about oh you know health cooking my yard reactions Yeah, we're really getting up there That's crazy I was gonna say comic books I got a lot of Marvel comics on my bookshelf See, that's real nice shit I like to balance the pH level

In my buttermilk It's important Like what do you mean? I get it, I get it I feel you You're anime lover Derogatory I wish I can only

I'm such an anime casual I watch Naruto attack on Titan Naruto attack on Titan See I'm such a big casual I thought you were like tapped in just because I hear you talk about those two. No, I like the normie ones that everybody likes because they're like, I grew up watching Naruto

and Attack on Titan is just God tiered TV. Other than that, I can't get into it. Watch one episode of Inouyasha and your life will be changed. Wait, Mo, you're in anime. No, I'm not. I just only watched that one. That's his version Naruto. Yeah, exactly.

And obviously, I watched Dragon Ball as a kid. But yeah, just the normy ones. Don, what's the closest thing you have to anime in your life? me mo yeah no you i i don't know like i don't i don't watch i don't watch anime honestly don't don't watch a lot of like tv series i have a very very bad habit of like people telling me to watch a tv series and i'm being like oh yeah like like i'm gonna i'm gonna watch that and i will start it i'll watch the pilot i will not finish it after the pilot but i watch the first episode and

And even if the pilot is amazing, I'd be like, okay, I got to go back here. I have to do it. But I just can't. Benging to me is, it's like a task. It honestly feels like a chore. I honestly don't enjoy it as much as you. You try putting on some anime and you were just like, yeah, this isn't reality TV. Like get the shit out of the face.

Yeah. No, listen. Where are the $200 dates? Exactly. Let's the circle. You know what I mean. Where is he's array? Listen, I've tried.

I've tried to watch, you know, anime before, but it's just never, it's just never clicked. Yeah, I remember one you tried with. Exactly, exactly. But, uh, no, no, no. Yeah. I, uh, I nerd out basically everything I'm into. I'm very, you know that there's like that general, uh, what's the word, uh, what's the word? No, I don't know.

Well, I'm very much like a guy that was like a fixation. Yeah, I'm very much the type of person that's like just hyper fixates on. different things at different times and I'm just like I get into one thing and I'm just like oh I had to spend all of my time knowing everything to know about this thing I'm I just got back into my team on 2K I've been doing it nonstop all of a sudden I'm the cheesiest in my team player in the world and I'm not going to rest until I win every game are the best team I obsess over it I think one video game at a time and it's obsess over about it for months I go through a phase or I'm like oh I'm gonna get into comic books I buy fucking 40 I have no time to read them I'm just

like that with literally everything it doesn't it doesn't help that you go from like platform to platform and like the algorithm just chases you like it knows what it's seasons of life at this point 100% and i'm definitely an actual nerd about like writing in like movies and tv shows i'm definitely like nerdy as fuck about that and like i'm definitely the typical pretentious film bro with stuff like that yeah i do not care about films like that listen you show you show me transformers that's that's good that's good that's good that's good cinema that. But you got to watch the French dispatch, the French dispatch.

Wes Anderson went crazy. It's oh, it, so, it's oh, so. And Donna was like, huh? I would never watch that. Yeah, the list would be too long if I kept going on. Thanks. But anyways, look at these buns on the screen. No, I don't understand what.

So please explain, walk us through. How do the buns get this burnt? Listen, it was my first time grilling. I was under duress. All right. While I was grilling, mind you, hell of smoke in my face when blowing my god damn direction and on top of that it's dark as fuck can't see shit so i'm not really sure what the fuck i'm looking at all the light my phone

flashlight huh yeah all i got in my phone flashlight but this week as shit isn't good enough for anything bro and then on top of that the rest that i'm i'm feeling there is a helicopter search going on literally right next to my face there are strobe lights right next to my face right Why are you followed by this shit? Why am I followed by? I don't know. You're being in me, bro. I don't know what it is.

But there's a literal police search going on. I hear sirens, ambulances, and all this other shit. And by the time I go ahead, I just decide to close this shit. I'm like, all right,

I'm too stressed out. They're just buns. It won't take that long. And I think I turned off the grill too at this point. So I was like, whatever, like it should be done. And I'm watching

the Cleveland Cavaliers versus the Orlando Magic and then like three minutes go by I'm like oh fuck 30 probably done by now that's great he's got to be exaggerated 30 minutes you deserve that no no 33 three three three minutes now how did it 90% of the time come off you went from 30 to 3 come on now

bro when he when he sent the picture I thought it was the burgers like I thought this was the beef patties No, the burgers came out Immaculate, bro. There were burns a little bit But I was worried about like You know Wait, so did you just eat the burger like

Just a patty He said protein style You scraped the you scrape the butt off You scrape the burn bun So there I think there's like seven or eight buns right there There were eight in war buns That were just like perfectly toasted

And I end up just eating like Open Face hamburgers and shit So I was able to to live. He just like, Paddy, you see a hockey puck.

All right. What a great producer corner. That's unique, let's get back to the episode. All right. Two teams left here.

We've got the Miami Heat and the last night of this Lakers to talk about. Which one you want to start with? The Lakers. I want to make you sad to

wait. Wait, no, no, no, no. No, let's finish with the Lakers. Let's just get the heat over with. Okay.

Okay, okay, okay. As you guys know, the Miami Heat, didn't have Jimmy Butler, didn't have Terry Rozier, didn't have a chance to get the Celtics. They got blown out, 4-1, gentlemen sweep. They won one game where they had the greatest shooting season, a greatest shooting game in their franchise history. And people were like, oh my God, the Celtics are beatable because they made 23-3s. They weren't beatable. It was just shooting luck happens. Celtics took care of business.

You know, it's hard to take a lot away from this heat loss. They didn't have Jimmy Butler, didn't have Rozier. But we know what the weaknesses are, right? 100 percent and there's there's really only one thing that they can do going into next season and I need them to figure out a way to get to get Kevin Durant on their team Kevin Durant okay I need I thought you said Donovan Mitchell either either one of them but I would like Kevin Durant just because I want them to have a little bit more more size but this this is a team that like coming into this year I was very very critical of because they didn't

make a serious or listen maybe they did make a serious push at dame and the and the blazers we're just like no we're not we're not going to like comply with dames every wish that's what it was yeah yeah and so like i understand that but you can't go into every single year on some like we're just going to grind it out we're just going to you know it doesn't matter the talent level do you know how good the heat would be if they had talent and the grinded out mentality Like, and he coached. And Eric Spolstra? Exactly.

You would be amazing. The last time you gave Eric Spolstra players, they were going to the finals every four years. Like, well, I mean, they've been to the finals two times in the last four years. But like, they need legitimate talent. And I thought that Terry Rozier was going to be a very big upgrade for them and very helpful. Wasn't necessarily the case. He'll be better next year. But to get a solidified score next to Jimmy Butler so that whenever the playoffs come, you don't need him to turn.

into this 35 point per game score that is absolutely critical for them they just need more offense yeah i think the day's a playoff jimmy are behind this i agree and that's why i think that's why i think that they need another punch because it's it's unreasonable to ask him to rise to that level every year yeah i don't think he has that in him anymore he's still good obviously i think he still has the consistent really really great player low-level all-star type guy but he's in the regular season i'm not going to assume he's going to come out here and drop 37 for a series again like he did in the first round last year. I think he, we didn't see that burst at any point this year. Even in the previous years, we see him rise to occasion in certain times. I don't know if he has that in him anymore. He

could prove me wrong. You never know because we didn't think he had that in him when he did it the first time. I'm going to assume that's not going to happen. If that's not going to happen, obviously they have Bamato Bio, who's probably their best player. If Jimmy's not going to continue to go super saying, Tyler Hero's good. Nikolovich, I think, is a player that should prioritize. I I think he should, if he's not starting, should play big minutes next year. We saw him really come on the second half of the season. Hamihaka is going to be in the rotation. Razir should be a good piece next year.

After that, you know, we had to Caleb Barnes. Duncan Robinson's back. I forgot about him. If Jimmy's not going to be that star player, then I agree. They need another star because Jimmy is, I think he should be at the point where he's not expected to be the lead guy anymore. And, you know, the Cleveland Cavaliers are going to make a move. If it's one of the guards, this thing needs to be in the running. I

110% agree you can't keep on expecting Pat Riley to continue to sign off deals with Lucifer like it's just not a consistent thing that you would want to happen bro like eventually like this shit is going to come to an end

every single team just an NBA in general but specifically the Eastern Conference is going to get better the New York Knicks they're going fucking nowhere they're doing nothing but getting 110% better

next season you know the Indiana The Pacers, they're going to get better next season once they continue to build continuity. You have to imagine the only imagine you're going to build onto what they have right now at shooters, et cetera, et cetera, blah, blah, you know, and at this time for the Miami Heat, I feel like if they were just to continue to build on this really tough, limited talented, limited and talent roster that they have, they'll just find themselves always in these, yeah, but hey, if Jimmy Boyer can go on this run, which at this point, I think next season, he'll be like 35 or something like that. Damn, that's very dangerous company. You'll never be, you'll be looked at as like a serious organization, but you'll never be looked at as like a consistent title threat seriously.

You'll never be looked at as one of the top dogs. If they had got the dame trade done, we all would have been picking them as one of the favorites in the east. And they still have the capabilities of doing that. They still have the same asses they have before. You know, they got rid of one pick for Terry Rozier. I forget what the package was for Rozier, but it wasn't a tonne, I don't think. They have the same package, right? They have Hero.

They have Yovich. They have Jaime Hawke. is teams will probably want him i think he's uh not okay i want to say he's overrated but i think he's uh he's more tradable than some people would make you think given the fact that he's a promising rookie i think he's closer just being who he is because he's so old obviously and i just he has a type of game that's probably lends itself to peeking a little bit earlier in his career he can be traded he's not untouchable by any means they have the same picks they have a hero there's gonna be people available this summer we're gonna see a big season of roster turnarounds

probably with stars they need to be in the right for that and they will be right they always are so i feel like for them it's just like a wait and see because we know they're going to make a big splash yeah now with that being said you know like you talked about their insane shooting luck they made literally franchise history and then right after that the next two or three games they didn't even hit like 22 22 3s combined fucking crazy yeah so in my name heat stuff my question to you is does tyler hero is he like a variant that you is he someone you want to genuinely keep and build and continue on this run or do he got to go no it doesn't got to go but he can go

if the trade is available for a star and he's obviously going to be a very uh promising piece in those deals probably for the teams he can he can go but he doesn't got to go I don't think there's no reason to trade him he's not he's fine right he just he's a style of hero like I think we're at the point where we know who he is very good player not a star never will be but good player you want your team and for that reason that's where I think he has to go I was a way on that I knew it was coming. He does. Just because if you're, like, if you're looking at it from the Heath's perspective, you want

Jimmy around, you want Bam around. And so you start going down the, down the depth chart. And Tyler Hero's name is he's right at that line where he's good enough to be on your team, but also if he's your third best player as currently constructed, you don't feel great about your title chances. and if you can turn Tyler Hero into a Donovan Mitchell or Kevin Durant or somebody else like that, then you probably will. And I find it hard to believe that other teams in the league will get a deal done with Miami for another star without Tyler Hero being in that package.

So that's why I'm looking at it. I'm like, yeah, he has to go. Tyler heroes are very valuable player, even if they couldn't get a deal done for a star. No, he's good. He could easily flip him for. maybe a pick to not maybe a pick definitely a pick probably two picks also and they could then use that on along with all the assets that they had prior you know similar to what they were going to offer for the dame package plus the extra first round pick that they just naturally gained through

time they have assets they'll have a lot of assets for sure i'm not going to like man they need donovan mitchell assuming the writing's on the wall people have been saying it for the past year that it's a good good feeling that he'll be available whether it's because he wants to be or the team decides to blow it up, whatever, which way it goes, I have a feeling he'll be available. If he is, he needs to be a member of the Miami Heat. He will be so perfect, playing a two-man pick and roll with Bam out of bio. Embrace D. Mitch as a lead playmaker. Let Jimmy just be the grit and grind, close out the game sometimes, do the small stuff guy. Let him be tertiary ball handler to Donovan Mitchell. Embrace his passing chops that he's really developed

over the years. Obviously embrace his scoring ability. All the stuff that Eric Spulcher does to set up shooters and get them going off the movement and really make life easier for their shooters. Donovan Mitchell's never had that ability. He's never played for a coach that can do that. Quist-Niner is great, but that offense was really de-mitch-generate offense predicated. You give him Eric Spolstra.

You're going to unlock a new ability to make him an off-ball movement shooter, probably embraces basketball as a lead guard. It would be a matchmate in heaven. I need to see it happen. They have to do something. They have to do something. And yeah, I agree with you.

I think that's the most obvious pick. So I so yeah And it's hard Because most of other teams We can think of like other small stuff For them it's like get the star Or not gonna be that relevant Facts

Yeah I understand 10% agree Speaking of now getting a star I think it's God damn Los Angeles Liggers Shut your mouth Not in a sweep But a gentleman sweep

They got one That's the closest gentleman sweep Of all time to you Yeah Put that shit up on the goddamn Rafters alongside the IST How long's at the I-NC tournament? I think the scoring differential was like 11 points.

They only lost by 11 over four losses. It was close. Every game. That is actually insane to really think about. It's nuts. It's nuts. And they won with those games. So that's hilarious, 11-point differential.

It's ridiculous for a five-game series. So now that y'all lost, and it's been in your stomach for a little bit longer, and you can now process. What? You've digested this loss. What do you mean? It's in you, now it's out of you. What do you mean?

You've digested it and now you can, like, flee. There's nothing in my guts. Okay. Now you're out of your remoses now and you can see the swast for what it is. What needs to be done if you're Rob Polinka? What is the top priority? I think you, uh, you sit LeBron down and like, hey, man, what do you want? And then you should probably nudge him to go be a Nick.

I think LeBron should be a. next year. Not really. But I think if that were to be the case and you have to plan for life after LeBron, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world because this team is going nowhere fast. And that's being pessimistic, but I think it would be cool to see him on the Knicks. Maybe I'm just hyped up off the wind they just had, but I think that'd be cool. But assuming, you know, he's not going anywhere. Realistically, I think he wants to stay. That's been made pretty clear. They have several options. One of which you open the conversation with was get a star. That's obviously been in the front office's MO since the trade deadline when they didn't make a move.

they said they're keeping their picks. They've obviously been linked to Trey Young a lot. You can do that. You can really shift your team to be based around Trey Young and AD pick and rolls. LeBron's the secondary guy, being the power forward, whatever. A lot of Lakers fans hate that idea

because if you watch the Endeavor Nugget series, the last thing they need to do is get smaller and get another guard that can't play off ball, right? That's like the least of their issues from trying to beat the nuggets. And a lot of Lakers fans will tell you they need to do the opposite, right, and get elite role players that they used to have

and try to get big and be able to run this team back with slight adjustments to make them have a better chance of matching up with the Nuggets. I don't think either option gets you to a point where you can beat the Nuggets.

So I think they're stuck between a rock in a hard place and I would like Trey Young on the team if they could get also have an elite two and elite four next to those three stars. I think people will underestimate how good offensively

that trio can be of stars but it only works if you can hide Trey Young with legit length three and D guys but you only have the assets to either get Trey Young or get those role players. So I think there's no

real ideal world where you can make that work and have both best of both worlds so i think they're fucked there's that that's hilarious i think deal's going to opt out and i think they're going to lose him for nothing and i think that's going to be terrible because you need that salary to get those moves and use those draft picks to add those elite players if you don't have him a salary balance i guess even more difficult i don't know what they should do gave vincent is your starting point guard oh my god congratulations 35 wins next season donovan what are you going to do if you're up a link in the situation i am i'm going out i'm getting the star like it's i don't care what i have to do i'm getting the star lebron is going to be 40 years old next year you cannot

ask him to turn up at the end of games in the second in in second halves the way that he did at the in game five of this of this series in in a lot of the second halves like we we see it with lebron if he goes crazy in the first half you expect a little bit of a drop off in the second half if you see him kind of coasting in the first you know that he's priming himself to go and go crazy in the second half but having somebody who can legitimately take the scoring load off of him and some of the playmaking stuff to where lebron can really just be this like you know, this perimeter player who plays off off ball, which is everything that he's wanted since he's gotten to L.A. He's been wanting to give somebody the crown. He's been wanting to

have to let somebody else run the offense. And it just never has gotten to that point. If I'm a Lakers, if I'm a Lakers fan, I want to see Tray Young because of the star power, obviously. And yo, I've, I've heard you guys cry about how bad Rui and Torian Prince and Delo. like wouldn't it be nice to not need de angelo russell to be your third best player on any given night and like that be trey young like that would be very nice and i think that i think i think it would just be a nice switch up then running it back with mid role players and having lebron and a d carry everything and we kind of know where that's going to land listen what about what you just off in the denver from the phoenix suns makes you want to have three stars and a bunch of

shitty role players because that's the situation they would be in if you get him you're sending Reeves out the door, you're probably losing Delo. You're probably sending Ruby out the door with picks. Rui Reeves and picks for Trey, probably. What about that inspires you after what you saw in the Phoenix Suns? Well, they, those three stars would make better. Exactly. And that is my point. I think the lake was not that much better though. Trey is not good off ball. And in the day, you still have LeBron James, who needs a ball in his hands at a certain time. You would still have a guy in Anthony Davis who is an elite defender. And none of the, None of the three in Phoenix are elite defenders.

And you would also still have LeBron who at this point, yeah, yeah, LeBron is better than all three of those guys in Phoenix right now. And so you have, you can make the argument that Anthony Davis is better than all three of those guys in Phoenix. And so if you add, if you add, if you add Tray Young and add somebody who like, listen, I know he has flaws. Every player has fault in his game. He still is 20 and 10, you know, and we'll be able to do some things like I.

Should I. Huh? Exactly. Should damn you're 30 and 10. I think I would just like to see that rather than another year of LeBron initiating offense and then hoping that Austin Reeves rises to a level and DeAngelo Russell rises to a level. and having that responsibility be on Trey Young rather than them. I can understand that.

I think, oh, Nikiel put up this tweet, fucking stupid. I saw a few tweets about this. The Lakers signed Valchunis and let AD play the four again. Yeah, if you want to win 21 games, you morons, that'd be awful. That would be disgusting. That would be atrocious. That would be awful. I can't even say that.

Awful, awful, awful. If you see Valcunis and you think that's a fit with Anthony Davis, you do not know what you're looking at. this slow, lumbering big next to Anthony Davis, who at this point is an interior force that doesn't shoot threes, you are out of your mind. People want to have the glory days of 2020 so bad and think making Anthony Davis a four is how you attain that? No. Having Caruso, Danny Green, Kuzma, KCP, and Avier Bradley's how you attain that. And those guys aren't walking through the door of Jonas Van Tunis. I'll tell you that. That would be disgusting.

Yeah, man. I agree with both of the guys' points. One side of it when it comes to what Isaac saying, if you do trade for that star player, you're going to have those necessary gaps. And in general, we've seen it so many times of foreign NBA history, whether it be like the big through, the original big through with the Miami Heat back when they had Wade, CP and LeB, Chris Bosch and LeBron, of course, they lost, had to go ahead and get certain pieces in order revamp their offense and all that other stuff. But at the same time, you have to maximize your potential. If maximizing your potential means like Tray Young gives you that best chance, then you have to do it.

You know, LeBron's 40 and there's, I don't know how trustworthy you want to be of him in his 40-year-old body being the guy on a consistent night-to-night basis alongside like elite level role players. And are those elite-level role players available? I don't know. See, that's the thing. People, like I said, a lot of Lakers fans hate the idea of Tray Young for everything I already said.

That doesn't help them against Denver off what we saw this year when they're out mass. in size from basically every position and really outmuscled. And you think about the way they play this year under Darwin Ham, Trey-on doesn't make sense. And I agree with that. If Darvindham is still coaching his team, if everything is the same with LeBron and AD-led team, you're better off getting Alex Caruso and, I don't know,

whatever else you can do. Wendell Carter, Alex Rousseau and Wendell Carter, whatever it may be, you're better off doing that. But I think they might be at a point where they have to just completely revamp the way they play. And if that's what you're going to do, I think there's a path there for Trayon to be better

than some people think because let's assume Darwin has gone right they're going to get a good coach in there if the clippers lose and there's been murmuring for the past six months they might fire Tailu

that would be the dumbest mistake they ever made because he's amazing if Tailu gets fired he will be the Lakers coach I can almost guarantee that and assuming they have a better coach than Darvanham I think there's a world

where Trey Young is really unlocked next to LeBron and they have better infrastructure than he's ever had with the Atlanta Hawks, never really had a great coach here that's done a good job, making him an off-ball score, making him, you know, go passing first rather than score on whatever it may be that's necessary with the Lakers. He's never had a coach in Atlanta that's able to get that out of him. I think that's in there somewhere. Maybe not. Maybe he doesn't want to play off-ball ever.

Maybe that's just not how he wants to play and it's on him. I think there's a world where we see a version of him that fits with Anthony Davis, fits with what you need from LeBron, and you can get the strengths on that and don't have the weaknesses to kill you. It would just have to be something where we really imagine a completely different Lakers team. Yeah, I agree for sure. A lot of people like underrate how big the Lakers are

as a team in general. The smallest dude in their starting lineup is like 6-4, which is either Dilo or Austin Reeves or whatever. That's a huge advantage that they have on a night-to-night basis. And if they were to put Trayung into that equation, you revamp every single

thing because he becomes the target on a night-to-night basis. So there's a lot that has to be changed considered But I think that does genuinely give you the best shot To maximize your potential It doesn't matter if you're not Get close to it as possible If you do get Tri-Young though

Like I said you need to have a great defender At the two and the four And like maybe they can Listen this guy's not a great defender Let me preface that Maybe in a tri-on trade they can get DeAndre Hunter back And maybe a good coach can unlock him as a defender And really get the best out of him

Doubt it Fucking doubt it But maybe that's very feasible to get him back in that trade two. He starts at the four. So you have Trey Young, Blank, LeBron, DeAndre Hunter, Anthony Davis. A solid start. You need a great defender at the two

who can fight around screens, garb big guards on the perimeter, switchable, really high Trey Young and allow him to not have to worry about defense like at all. And how do you get that if you're sending three first round picks and Austin Reeves for Trey Young? You're fucked.

You don't. You're talking about DeAndre Hunter. I've seen him get slotted up by Caleb Martin. bro. You guys are fucked to just talking about which way you guys want to get screwed. That's all it is, bro. Exactly. And if you can't get those key pieces, then it's

a lot harder to imagine Trae Young working there. If by God's gift to Earth, Rob Polinka figures out the finesse of a century and has the best off season ever and gets great role players and Tray Young, then we're cooking, but I just don't see how that's possible. He did it once. He fixed the team on a whim

last year. Fool's gold. the Westbrook trade is still haunting him let me again let me even say that this team is good the Devere Nuggets are just unfuck with the ball this seems good they're the second best in my opinion

yeah they will in my mind they're the second best team in the Weston conference genuinely speaking I don't think they're that good I don't think they're that good I think they're that good that's thunder and Timberwolves are better but if you want to tell me these is like the fourth the fifth best team in the West I'm with you they are legitimately good

so the formula they have now isn't awful that's why I understand Lakers fans who want to keep this same idea together, don't trade read, keep this idea of how they play and just upgrade, get an Alex Caruso, get whoever else to can with these first-on picks, there is a path there that if you just get a little bit better around the margins, you do have a path playing this way because clearly we all think they're good enough to beat anybody that's not the nuggets. And then when that happens and we get to December and LeBron sends out another cryptic tweet,

what happens then? Like, I do understand that path. And I do think that like there is something to be said for having continuity and having role players that have played with each other for a long time. But we know how the LeBron cycle works and we know, and we know that there's going to get to a point where the guy that you signed in the offseason, and I don't know, I don't know what it is. I don't know if it's the LeBron factor, if it's the Laker factor.

The people that they sign in the offseason are not the players that. that show up in October for training camp. And we're going to get to December. And everybody that all the fans are very happy about, they are going upset at one or two of them and they're going to want them to go. And somebody's going to be traded. So you might be in a situation

where your big off-season acquisitions are out the door in January. Everybody's going to have January 15th circled on their calendar. It's like, oh, I can't wait until this guy gets traded. like we we do this all the time and so that's why if that's the case i i don't know i i think i am leading a little bit more star power when we when we talk about the lakers yeah i agree and an ideal world star power is nice it's just they don't have the pieces to make star power really work if it's try young specifically yeah if they can get demitch great do it would be fantastic but i think

they get outbid because they're three first-round picks or it's good they can get that's a good package but there's going to be a bidding war if dmitch is available and maybe maybe the sun's blowing up, right? They're not going to. But if Deffen Booker and Katie Irville may be a talk, but like, that's not going to happen. They're going to write it out. So if you're going star power, it's probably Trey Younger bust. And at him specifically is a very particular player to build around. But maybe

they go, maybe they go back to Dejante Murray. Maybe they try to do that again. That's possible. I think Dejante Murray's not a terrible fit. Yeah, they're cooked. Yeah, they cooked. It's over. It's so over. But no, okay, so now we're talking through it. I think they probably should do

to just get a couple elite role players they can they had those first round picks send one for caruso same one for whoever other big forge you can get that can shoot because like i said the luxury tax thing is going to make some team have to trade some pieces yeah go get two more elite role players and try to run back the same formula because that's your best option i think rob palinka call us up let us figure can we us three we just need to go in like uh what was what's your boy who goes into like the restaurants like bar rescue and we we can go into every into Every team's front office and just be like, yeah, you need to do this, this, this and this. Do this, this and this.

And we can put you on the right path. That would be hilarious. We will get you. I don't know. What forward is available? Because, like, it's easy for them. They're going to get a guard, probably. Somebody like a caruso.

There's plenty of guards. Maybe available. Dennis Smith Jr. I saw a tweet that that's a cool fit. I like the fans of pining after Lowry Markening. I don't, we've done this so many times. I don't think Larry Markin is going to be available. If he was, that'd be awesome to see there.

Mm-hmm. there's going to be guys we don't foresee becoming available that'll be there i i think they got it to stand pat and just use those assets to get better there's not much they can do man i could interest you in like maybe a sedique bay i don't know man uh it's Isaiah hardinstein's gonna be a free agent but the next are probably going to keep him uh can i interest you in uh you all are screwed man there's not a lot of options it's not a lot of thomas

welcome to Los Angeles that'll be cool as to your line but yish yuck maybe they go looking for these people

that want to get dumped they go find a Bradley Bueh or C.J. McCallum something on the scrap heap that's really gonna be on the team it's gonna be CJ honestly I wouldn't hate that

he would be great that would be a fantastic role for him to be honest with you yeah and you know what that's how a lot of teams like that's how

maybe that's their best bet is fine some of these guys are going to dump because they're not a good on their team but they're not wanted, like how the Mavs got Kyrie for cheap, the Clippers got James Harden for cheap. Go get CJ for cheap and hope you can revitalize him next to an elite playmaker like LeBron. Let's go the other way and have LeBron be a point card again and C.J. McCall and playoff of him. Look at that. We've been talking for like five minutes. And we have fixed

the Lakers. Like we have, we have options. Like, you know, we can do it. Brandon Ingram, welcome back to the Lakers. We can do it. We can save their lives. Gross, man. Brandon would be interesting I don't think I'd really want that But it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world Man you're so in shambles bro You're talking about Dennis Smith Jr.

saving your franchise Danny Inger was saving your franchise He's great I love him you're right It's just funny A lineup of Dennis Smith Reeves Brandon Ingram LeBron A.D I kind of moved Kind of moved

Yeah it's not bad I've seen you in a while man that's bad. Also, Darvinhamme needs to be fired. I mean, that's happening. Who's his replacement

if he's fired? We'll see. You know, we never know who's going to become available until it does. Last year, Mike Boonehouser got fired,

so we never know what takes back after the playoffs. I feel like signing yourself up to be a coach of the Los Angeles layers is asking yourself, please stay in my career from the get-go.

Please leave a major scar on my career, bro. This is one of the worst coaching jobs that the league has to offer. But it's not. Just be good. Be comfortable. Like it's an easy you have LeBron and AD. It's an easy coaching job for fucking

Yeah, but there's 12 other yeah there's like 13 other guys that you have to coach two and nine times out of ten We're like we're like assuming that they're gonna be fucking ass so it's like that the screw need the LeBron LeBron being the guy to as well that's fucking hell like I wouldn't want to deal with that if I'm a head coach I would never want to be a head coach of the Lakers End of the day there's 30 these jobs and they're really hard to get so like people are gonna take the job Yeah yeah for sure bronze is easy to coach I he's easy to coach what he's he's easy to imagine yourself wanting to coach him and wanting to coach a team that has that level of talent it's obviously a difficult

job with everything that's around it like you said but it's it's an appealing job I think at some level yeah completely on some level that sounds like hell bro I don't know man we'll see what they do they they have options they have assets now they want to deploy them they want to keep LeBron, I want to keep him happy. He wants to be there. There's worse situations out there. You know, we talked about the suns in the stream last week. Like I said, go watch that. That was a big dive into their situation.

They're in a terrible spot. They are in much worse spot than the Lakers. So at least we're not them. It's so funny. Real quick, Matt Ispia went ahead and he doubled down and he was like, if you call 29 other teams around the league, 26 of them would trade their entire team for our team. What do you even mean by that? No one will want to be in your position.

The worst thing in the world is a delusional owner with power. That's him right now. Suns fans are in the mud. He doesn't even know. He's trying to get bars off, but the bars don't even make sense, bro. You have no picks until 2030, 2013. Listen, they're going to get more picks

after they trade Devonbuker to the Knicks this off season. Oh my gosh. On that note, let's go to TikTok time. Goodbye. No more Nick's talk. We'll see you guys. It's going to be great. Thank God.

We're winning the finals. Crown Eaters. Where are you at? Cue the transition graphic. Welcome to TikTok time. We are here. As always, oh, not as always anymore. As often, today we're starting with the draft.

Accurate? And this time we're doing a... I like that. As 70% of the time or so, we're starting with the draft. Today we're doing a draft with only one superstar player and four role players So we all got to get deep into our team building bag and really do some deep cuts instead of just ours Alright, all right Let's see

Let's see you get the real value picks here, man Early prediction who's gonna sell Listen, I'm not gonna lie I might have to pull a Jante Porter and bet on myself Wow You know what's funny I might just get ahead of it I was like, I called me a shred of the last draft

where someone was like, you know, we make fun of Donovan a lot for selling drafts, but he actually did good this time. And I was thinking, like, that's crazy because, like, the first 55 episodes of the pod, it was Mo who was always selling drafts. I know, the narrative really changed. I need to know what, in the comments, tell me what episode really changed it for you, for y'all,

whenever you guys are like, nah, Donovan's a seller. I need to know which one it was. And it's crazy because Mo ducks all the allegations. Like, everybody forgot about him picking, like, Mike Bibon and Russell. he still sounds he thinks we forgot I do not sell on a low if you know listen look at the time period of my life

we were from the trilogy of the rats that whole thing happening during the summer last year and around like August, September I'm like all right look motherfucker I got to change my life and the only way I got to look in these drafts exactly he says as soon as I started getting money

I got good at drafts it's credit for you It's not a coincidence Draft order is me, Mo Donovan. Real simple. Let's draft NBA lineups with only one star. First pick, give me the best player in the world, Nicole Yokic. Okay. Go ahead.

Very smart pick. You got that. Yeah. Can't say shit about that. Okay, cool. I need the player that elevates role player is the best. That is the obvious pick. So with the second pick and go ahead and give me the second best player in the NBA.

Luca Donchage. Oh, that's just wrong, but go ahead and pick them. It's not wrong. Sorry, sir. Listen, that is, that is okay. But now that you guys have your stars out the way, I don't have to pick one right now. So, nice. Let's see.

Where do I want to go with my role players? Give me, give me a center who can space and play defense. Give me Miles Turner at my center position. And then. Smart team building choice. Yeah. And then I just, listen, I need somebody on the perimeter who could, lock everybody down.

Give me Herb Jones. That's a great big. I was hoping he somehow fell to me. Herb Jones is great. Herb Jones is great. Best to the front of board, I think. Speaking of perimeter, give me someone who has just as ferocious defense,

but also give you a cool 15 point per game. Give me OG and a nobi at my three. Fuck. Okay, that's good. That's good. That's good. Two picks and a row taken. Yeah.

That's fine. That's fine. Give me someone who's just that Thomas has a defender of all these guys. Jay and McDaniels are the three. Okay. Clear. And, and give me the real life.

One two punch. Give me Aaron Gordon at the four. Oh, okay. Nice. This is solid. Okay, you're just building the... How did you guys let him fall to me? I don't know, but I'll take it.

That's fine. How did I let them fall to you? Because there's better options. That's why. Not if you know I have Yon Gets on the board. All right. Where are you going, Mo? All right.

So at my two, go ahead and give me. I don't need to worry about my four or five because y'all already picked y'all bigs. So my two, give me- So I might go huge. You know, you never know. Give me Jalen Suggs. He's a maniac. Okay.

Second coming of Marcus Smart, I respect it. I'm giving you guys hell on the perimeter, bro. Second coming of Marcus Smart, that's so disgusting. Shout to Marcus, but Jalen is different. Okay. Okay. um all right let me let me go through my list of who i would like on my team and you know what here's here's what we're going to do give me give me the white boy for from isaic's team give me

austin reves okay it's a little ball hanging i respect it yeah so i would like yeah i would like salivators exactly right i need to get to the line i would like austin reeves at my two and then at my three, give me the best rebounder in the playoffs today. Give me Josh Hart at my three. Oh, wow. Nice. Am I for him for the two? I respect it.

I like that. I like that a lot. Okay. So now I need a four and a five who can try their... I don't know. Never mind. Who can try their absolute best to contain Yolkich and Aaron Gordon. Fuck. This is going to be hard.

Give me one of the... Oh, okay, cool. So at the four, go ahead and give me Jonathan Isaac. Yeah. I got straight demons on defense, bro. Damn. That's some length. How are you going to stop it?

You can't. I'm going to stop it with the steals of the draft right here. Give me Derek White and KCP. Derek White is a great thing. How is Derek White still here? Derek White is a great value. How did you do fumble? How did you do fumble so hard?

I didn't fumble. I got Jailen Sugs and Oji on Norenobe and Jonathan Isie, bro. I got arguably three of the five best defenders in the NBA, nine-year-old. See, here's why. See, I completely forgot until I'm looking right now, completely forgot you took Yokin's one. Oh, you still didn't pick your star.

No, I mean, there's like a million stars. So like it's going third, it's fine. But, hmm. Okay. Where are you going to go for your last pick? Because I'm between two guys. I need a, I need a very good center. I don't know if I'm worried about him searching the four because having a vertical thread next to Luke will be kind of nice.

Give me, I'm going to take him, I'm going to take someone from your team, Donovan. Go ahead and give me. Mitchell Robinson. Hell of impact on my team. You're going to feel me. That's the best you can do. You're going to feel me. Okay.

Enough for the feeling you win. All right. You know what? I have no idea where. Actually, I do know. Give me Steph Curry. I'll take Steph. Nice.

I need to round this out. I need just another punch of shooting. The prophecy is fulfilled. Donovan once again is the worst team. Congratulations. You lost, buddy. Nobody's getting to the room on this bitch. Nobody outside of Luca is shooting on Mo's team.

Like we're shutting, we're shutting all that down. What do you mean, right? Jaylon Suggs. Jalen Suggs, shout out to you, right? You're much improved. You're not getting a shot off. You're not doing it. Moe for sure built first team all brawl, first team all perimeter fouls.

Exactly. You're going to leave the game with a broken. with the broken knee, bro. On God. So for audio listeners, my team is Derek White, Contavius Calhwell Pope, Jada McDaniels,

Aaron Gordon, Nicole Enochich. I mean, I really wish I had Derek Warden on my team. It's fine. It's fine. It's okay. I really wish I had Derek White on my team. Then I remember I got Jalen Suggs

and O. Genobey. I'm straight. So on my team, I got Luca Donch, Jalen Sugs, O. Jener Novi, Jonathan, Isaac, and Mitch Robinson. See, that's the problem.

half your team does not go and play. They're just going to be hurt. So I mean, I got it off of that. Yeah. All right. So my team, I have Steph Curry, Austin Reeves, Josh Hart, Herb Jones, Miles Turner. I will say, Mo's team would have the worst group chat known to man. Could you imagine these motherfuckers in the same group chat?

What's wrong? Who's the problem child on the group chat outside of? Yeah, who's the problem child? I don't know. Who's a problem child? O. Gianna no, like he might not text, text back a couple of times. But who's texting the most? And who's texting the links in that group chat?

I promise you is Jonathan Isaac. Is Mitch Roberts' emotional assets when they'd be in there, leaving the chat every day? He's going to be blogging half the chat all the time, bro. Y'all ain't real friends. He was him to the black screen, IG stories. Damn, that's bad for sure. So I've disrespected Mitch like that. That's definitely his back.

We can move on to the next video. Next thing we're going to do, something that has been requested for a long time, we're going to do today's hoops grid. I never really do hoop grid, but people in the comments ask for it all the time. And I know there's some big soccer channels that do their version of that. Luckily, we have a website completely dedicated to giving us one every day. So we're going to start doing it every now and then. I've never done this shit in my life.

Me neither. I did like one time, actually, when it first came out. All right, let's roll. Let's roll. Let's start with the easy ones first. Let's do the teams. Who played for the Knicks and the Trailblazers? My first thought, Josh Hart.

Now I was thinking Rashid Wallace. Which one has a lower rarity score? Probably Rashid. Let's go, Rashid. They move. Yeah, Josh Hart is very recent. Yeah, too common. Look, that 4%.

We could have done better, but that's fine. Okay. Okay. Pelicans and Trailblazers. Josh Hart. This man. This man is everywhere. He's everywhere.

Yeah, let's just go, Josh Hart. We fail, I feel like we have tried this plenty of times. I don't even care about the rarity score. Let's just get nine names on the board. Let's get on the board. I don't care about deep cuts today. I care about getting along. Exactly.

Trailerleblasers and Memphis Grizzlies. Did John Lure play for the bucks? I don't know. Zach Randolph? Yeah, there you go, Zach Randolph. Zach Randolph is nasty that. I don't care about the rarity score. Nikol, can you put Zach Randolph in that box?

We, you know, you know, we tried this multiple times and we get stuck. I guess we're tired of feeling. All right. 31%, ooh, terrible. Jeez. Baby steps. We're on track for 90 right now. Bucks and Knicks.

First thought, Dantadie. Vincenzo. Second thought, the Nassus. Ooh, let's do that. Let's do it. He wasn't. He started his career there.

The goat. Let's do that shit. The Nassas that's in a Gumpah. Six percent. That's solid. Wow. Listen, he's too much of a star now. People, people, they're tracking his career.

His celebrity is rising. Exactly. Pelicans and Bucks. Who was played for both? Oh, Drew Holiday. Okay. Drew Holiday. That's a name.

That's a name that works. Can we get deeper, though? Can you think of somebody deeper? I feel like some big man played for the two of them. A big man. They've had, trying to think of big men out as of late. Who was on those Anthony Davis teams? Oh, the market's cousins.

He, oh, he was a buck. He was a buck for a second. There we go. There we go. He was a buck very technically. Let's go. Yeah. 5% nice I love this okay Memphis Grizzlies in bucks OJ Mayo okay let's go OJ Mayo that's a good one

You're in your body right now listen when you don't care about rarity score this is actually kind of fun Just avoid the whole point of the game played less than a hundred career games Marchon Brooks put him in the Grizzlies Oh yeah draft much oh this is where we're this is my bag oh no he played more games. I guess what Armani Brooks it's one. Let's go Armani Brooks. Oh, that doesn't work either. Fuck. Okay, never mind. Fuck a fuck of Brooks. Grizzlies players who... Do I want to put... Jared Culver played more.

Just a rookie? Oh, who's that small guy that have on the team right now? That small guy. Who's a really short guy? I don't know what you're talking about? Oh, Gileard. Yeah. Let's go, just go Gillyard for Memphis Grizzlies. G-I-L-Yard. Try and think for that.

there we go three percent smart sickos like that all right pelicans pelicans players who play less than a hundred games so i'm crazy here's in the back you got like 104 um what drive bus had they have yeah draft bus i mean we can go their rookie from this year but that's a little too easy oh man i'll just what else have they had ton of yeah i don't know maybe i should pick their rookie what's his name uh jordan hawkins or jordan hawkins you just go jordan hawkins sure yeah sure there go hawkins by definition he couldn't have played 100 games yet

hacks i've destroyed our rarity for him we'll take this that's okay that is okay listen we got an a on the test that's that's all i see even below 100 if you go real hard with this nick's player all right i have a name who who was an irrelevant nick from the dark days cleantony early Clee Anthony early it is let's go shout out Wichita State man Clee Anthony early there we look at us we stay below 100 that's gonna be the new goal right

190 we're just gonna progressively try and get it lower but this is this is the first one we've ever completed so I'm very proud of us yeah we tried this like months ago months ago we've tried this so bad at it and now we tried this several times Our score is better than 77% of grids Rookie numbers But we can do better in the future Slow motion is better than no motion

That's what they say There you go Well maybe we'll do this a new weekly thing We'll do it every time Let's see how we can get Yeah And we'll be transparent when we fail Next thing we're going to do

I'm going to bring back a segment We did about a month and a half ago or so We're going to play NBA Guess Who How this works is two of us will go at a time We'll do different rotations We all play It's first game

Me and Donovan I think of a player Donvin thinks of a player and we have to ask each other hints until we can figure out who the other person's player is. Okay, okay. So it should be fun.

Donovan, you got a player in mind? I got one. Okay, it's real simple. NBA, guess who? Let's see who can get each other's player first. Is your player an active player? Yes, is your player an active player. He is.

Okay. Is your player under 6-5? No. Is your player in the Western Conference? He is not. Is your player a good defender? no is your player currently in the playoffs he is your player is tall and can't defend nice is your player rui hachymour no okay okay so your player is your player a forward yes okay is your player currently

in the playoffs yes okay is your player on a top four seat no actually let me see he's in a four five game i don't remember which one he is he is in the four five game no he's not in the four five game no he's not in the top four okay is your player in the western conference yes is your player is your player is your player has your player been eliminated from the playoffs he has not okay uh your players in the west he's tall he can't defend is your player a shooter yes okay let's see let's see let's see see is your player a starter yes is your player on a top four seats in the west yes okay i think i know i think i know your player you better you better nail this i feel like i know donovan is time

pulled the fucking trigger he's on a bottom he's on a bottom 14 bottom four seed i'm just gonna pull up the seating really quick so i can remember who who is a cheater cheater cheater no this is not cheating i just need a reminder it's just a reference i'm not i'm not looking at rosters i'm not looking at we are looking at you know what dang everybody's been wait everybody's been eliminated so they have to be on the four five okay all you ask is are they a bottom 14 no i asked if they if they have been eliminated from the playoffs already and you said no okay is this is this coat um Is this a starter? Is this Kauai Leonard?

This is not Kauai Leonard. Damn. That's a hilarious guess. I have two options in mind. Is this Carl Anthony Towns? It is not. Okay. One more option.

I feel like I know who it is. Oh shit. Is this? Okay, they have to be... Okay, so we're talking... Taking time bomb is on your chest, Donovan. Let me look at the bracket. Let me look at the bracket.

No, looking at anything. I have to look at the bracket. I have to look at me when you talk to me. I have to look. You're a cheater. No, is this Jada McDaniels? This is not Jada McDaniels. Ooh.

Is this Michael Porter Jr.? It is Michael Porter Jr.? Damn. Curious Mike for the win. It's the Eastern Conference. Did you forget? Yeah, I did. You know what?

You know what? Time out. I'm getting this dope book. I'm getting this dope book. We're going to write this. Yeah, but he's up for next week. You're going out sad. That's the end of this segment.

That's hilarious. Where are they back? My player was Jonathan Isaac. Where's your pencil in this place? Damn. You're like Matt's love to write everything down. You know I have a short-term memory loss. We're writing this down.

I've never been defeating this game. I need notes. You can get your leg back next week. We're moving on. Mo, you and I, let's play. I'll write stuff down. Listen, if I write stuff down, I'm unbeatable. Just for fun.

I completely forgot. It was in the Easter conference. There's too many questions. You're like, why? I was like, what the fun? There's too many questions. Yeah, man. Got to get a quick, guess who game in?

Love it. Next thing we're going to do, we have a tier list on our hands. We're going to do a tier list of the last 10 MVP seasons. So, you know, let's get real debatey, talking about how they rank against each other, who was a fraud, who was one of the best seasons of all time. I don't know what you guys think, but we'll find out. Listen, I already know where you stand on some of this. I'm not excited for this conversation.

It's time to embrace debate. There we go. So real simple, we have the last 10 MVP's. We're going to put them into a tier list based on how impressive this season was, how good the player was, however you guys want to take it. Let's start off with 2014-2015, Steph Curry. See, that was the first one. But it's not, yeah, that was the first one.

Great MVP, but it wasn't 2016. Exactly. It was a great team, made the finals, so it was, you know, the team success is there. Individual production was there. But we did see him have an even better version, so I feel like it's got to be A. Really? Damn, I don't want to place to say B, to be honest with you. That's what I was thinking as well, because the team success, like you said, was there.

And this is very just like, you know, bagged Twitter talk. But, I mean, he only scored like 23 games. Like, like, I, like, 24, I think. And that's what I'm saying, like, the impact, the impact was there. But, like, I just wish that statistically, scoring wise, that was a little bit more. So I would put it at B, especially because some of the other guys on this list. Yeah, that, they were doing everything. He had hell of moments and stuff like that.

I actually forgot. But it wasn't his league, you know, at that point in time. Okay, that's fair. I actually forgot it was that low of a point per game total. So I'm cool with that. Yeah. Where do you want to go with 2017 Russell Westbrook? This is that.

tear. Shut the hell up, everyone. No one want to hear shit. He had Kyle Singer on his team. DeMontes sub bonus as his stretch forward. Good God, that was gross. Jeremy Grant, he had nobody on his team, bro, and he carried his team on his back. He deleted, defeated the Denver Nuggets on a game winning shot on game like 81 or 82 to knock him out of the playoffs and also seal the O KC 30s. Phenomenal. See, that's just, hey, this man was running lineups with Stephen Adams and Ennis Cancer on the floor. It's a great season. It's just funny to be like, he defeated the Nuggets,

like it's some monumental feat. With Andre Roberson has one of his spaces, bro. Let's be for real. I respect it. Yeah, they're definitely better players, but in terms of impressiveness, that can vault it up just because of the supporting cast was so bad. The first triple double that we've seen in decades.

It's a special, bro. Damn. Well, I don't know. We'll get back. There's going to be a lot of seasons that are better than this. But players that are better. So I guess it's a balanced impressiveness versus how good the player is.

So if we're balancing both, I guess it makes sense for him to BS too. Exactly. 2014 Kevin Durant. This is great too. It is great. I don't feel like this is an all-time season from Kevin Durant.

I'm putting this at end. Yeah, he had like a 6% higher than league average true shooting. He was ridiculously efficient for that era. Yeah. Listen, key word. That era. That whole, if you want to take that whole stretch of Kevin Durant and say like he was

S-tier here, of course, you got that. But if we're stacking this 2014 year up against other ones, it's pretty relative to era. You can't get mad at him because he played a different time. No, I'm saying like the three-year span of Kevin Durant. Like if you want to take like his three-year peak from like 2014 to 2016, like you can do that. But I don't, then what do you mean? No, never mind. It doesn't matter.

I just meant compared to where the league was. was at that time. He was way more efficient than everybody else. So, like, it is a legitimately all-time great scoring season. I'll see. Yeah, I don't care. I don't care about that nurse stuff. This is about A. He said, shut up and close your shots. That was so basic. He said, shut up and put down your calculator. He made shots more than everybody else. Shut up, dork. I think this might be an A tier, uh, to be honest with these storylines and narratives are carrying me heavy right now, bro. He was dumb. I'm cool with the big A tier. There's definitely more impressive seasons, but yeah, I mean, 2014 KD is a better player than 2017 Russ.

But do we think that his supporting cast was so much better that it doesn't make it as impressive? Stop finding ways to hit on Russ. Boy, you made him ass. He's the parameter now. We've got to compare him. That's how tears work. No, you're hating. You're hating.

Do you think he's supporting cast was so much worse so he can't be in the same tier? Yeah. Relieving KD at A for sure. KD at A. Yeah. Because at least, because if I'm not. mistaken at least he had like i know russ went down with the injury in 2014 but russ played a little bit of that season if i don't remember when he got hurt if i'm if i'm remembering that that correctly

yeah so i so i would i would give russ the edge all right that's fine i'm cool with a that makes sense where are we going with yannis's first MVP this is an s right because he won a defensive player the year along with it got to be we see this shift is you're the Michael Jordan. Exactly. To be the best defensive player and the best offensive player, he's got to be asked here.

You got to, Yannis. Your job. Credit for credit to do. People forget it, man. Where do we go with 2018, James Hardin? This is when he went bar for, or ban for ban with LeBron in 2018. I'm giving this head.

I don't think, I think that one, there was a legitimate argument that LeBron should have been MVP that year. And two, and this might just be James Tard of hate, but it felt like a, man, here you go. Like, you like, there you go. You and Darren Moore have been crying for years. Here you go, JambiP. You got it.

If you got robbed in 2017 by that rebound merchants. By who? No. The rebound merchants. Hush. Listen, even if he did robbed him, Russell, listen, even if he did rob him, Russell snatched his chain. And I am completely okay with that. I wish I would have

Snatched some playoff victors Eight years fine Regular season award Exactly Damn Where are we going With 2016 Steph Curry Just put that in S

I don't even want to talk about S easy No discussion needed This is the best MVP season That we'll probably see Throughout this tier list Pretty easily I think What do we want to go with

2021 Yokish The first one Hmm it probably that man had no help one of the most efficient scoring seasons from a 25-port per game score no help like a really

terrible roster does it deserve us or is it just a how do you feel it's been a couple years and I still have no idea how I feel about this MVP like obviously he deserved it and it's like amazing what he did

but I still don't know because I... Bro he started playoff games with Campazo and Austin Rivers next to him that team was fucking horse shit. This is an all-time carry job. Hey, fuck, who was nice. What do you mean? I mean, you say carry job like, oh, well, actually, no, you got it. You got it. You got it. This is just as a big of a carry job as 2017, Russ. I know. You got it. Oh, it sounds like he wants to put it

in an S then. He spoke, he spoke into his distance. Probably. Probably. Probably, I guess. I wasn't sure, but probably, yeah. All right. Go S-tier. S-tier. Where do we go? Estier's solid, yeah. Okay, so was it 2019 and 2018 where Yonis won DPOI. I forget which one that was? that's 2019 18 was no 20 because 2020 was his first second one

okay yeah where do we go with 2020 20 20 honest hmm 20 the first one was S tier

he really wasn't any worse in 2020 but he didn't win the DPOY so that they can go down to A yeah yeah that's fair it's it's so hard

to like put all these to like stagull they're all MVP's exactly yeah my bad actually he won DPOY in 2020 Oh, all right Switching It could have been even

Switching deleted Yeah Fuck With the name Yeah well in that case 2019 Welcome to A tier 2020

You're the S tier season We got it wrong Same principle Stans We just got our ears mixed up I was thinking for a second I was like

Hold on what Yeah I was like Hold on Let me double check this This doesn't go right There you go 2020 onus in a tier 2019 and oh no you got a 20 20 20 yeah yeah you got it yeah i got it let me let me make sure what was the year Nicole yokech carried them to the 60s was that

22 bro yo all right donovan i don't know what it is but year short-term memory loss has been permeating across the little room they're in right it's not short time this is two years this is two years ago god that's beating our ass not going to lie to you uh 22 nuggets record yeah like I remember that was the year Jamal Marie had the ACL tear and he what he was completely okay no I was right 22 they had well you know I'm looking at the wrong season you should be right in 22 they had there was a six seed in 2021 they were the three seed okay so 2021 was the season where he had help okay 22 was the impressive one gotcha all right so we're sorry sorry like it flip them again fuck okay 22 yoke

is s tier and 2021 is a tier yes there we go now all we're left now 2023 joelle imbed come on man f let's be rude oh get out of it's not it's not it's not but it is c tier it is the least it is the lowest one on this list it's lower than curries yes god why we he was not going to be the MVP until we started talking about race relations that is i that is that is literally that's literally the turning point kendrick perkins went on went on first take and was like you know it would kind of be racist if joel and bead didn't get MVP and everyone and everyone was like didn't and i mean not those exact words but that was kind of the sentiment and everyone was like whoa whoa i'm not racist i'm not racist he got it he got it bro he was not like that narrative

started in like february it started in like february we had already played a majority of the season he wasn't going to get it. Zach Lowe's like, oh shit, no. Exactly. The guy scratch his neck. Oh, fuck. You think Bobby Marks wanting to be called out?

That's true. We want to see here? Yes. That doesn't feel right still. You got to fight on this. You know what happened. You know what happened. Even though that's what happened, like it wasn't

necessarily the wrong decision. Yes, it was. It was the wrong decision. Compare it. Fuck that decision. Compare it to Steph Curry back in 2014. Was that 2014? 2015, my bad.

Even, even, okay, so you're getting caught up on whether or not Nicole Yoko should have won. But if we're talking about who the more impressive season, scoring leader, top 10 defender in the league, another pretty good carry job. If we had, if we had one MVP part of it. If we have one MVP where everyone's like, yeah, he should be the MVP. And then the other one where we're like, I don't really know if we should have given it to him.

But that's, but that conversation was about the league competitiveness. Like that was about the league. No, but like crazy to that point in time. In the moment, in the moment, we did not feel good about like the instant switch up from Yokits to Embed. Two years later, we still don't feel good. like this has never been a good decision that we could all like live with we're like we don't feel good you don't feel good about it you don't respect it either we've called it a mickey mouse MVP for years that's jokes i respected it's a great season no you're like okay it's it's it's kind of the same

thing with 2018 i don't want to be racist hey listen that's your argument okay that's your argument you got to protect the brand i get it you're like protect the brand i get you come on a burst of this door fucking backhand me Big sell Like the Koolet man's gonna come in Yeah Oh god It should have happened

You get yourself in this Every time Holy shit It shouldn't have happened Did you listen to Ketic Lamar today? It should have happened I'm putting assy Isaac

You're the dude You're the tie breaker right now See fine I put him in B Thank you Fuck You got it Y'all gross

At least Curry had the team success His scoring His scoring average was lower but that was, you know, it's also era. The scoring average is a little bit lower. That's pre-Big Boom. I'm fine with that. Curry was a more effective player still,

even though he was averaging 30 yet. A perfect tier list. You know, I think we should make use of all these tiers before we call it a perfect tier list. I feel like we should spread them out. And if you think in B's the worst one, put him in F. If you think Curry's the second worst one,

put him in D, and then we should spread out the top two. All right, let's do that. Yeah, let's make it more realistic. I hate, I hate, I hate, so who's the least impressive of A? Probably Harden? Hard, yeah.

Yannis can't go anywhere for sure. Yonix can't go anywhere. Hardin C. Do you want to go Kevin Durant and B? Ah. No, I think he's still properly rated. Compared to the two? I think so.

Compared to the other two, he's for sure the worst. That's the worst one. So it only logically makes sense to make it because he's not fucking with that year, Yonis and Yolkich. I think maybe you can compare that year, Janus. But I actually... No. What?

Oh, wait. hold on actually yes you can yes you can i would take listen i would take 2014 kevin durand over 2019 yonis okay that's fair okay that's fair p kevin kovina is like is crazy yeah okay okay okay i like 2019 yonis and b yeah 2019 yonis and b kd survive for now and do we keep that yokech in a yes yokech belongs in a for sure so what about anyone in s does anyone deserve to be done down a little bit. Yokic and Curry have two of the best offensive seasons of all time.

Yonis has one of the best two-way seasons of all time and Russ has the coolest vibes. For sure. That's important. I'm sorry. Russ is so clearly not on the same level with these motherfuckers. Like, what are we doing here? It is. The storyline here is heavy.

But I do respect that you know, like the difficulty and the other stuff matters in the conversation. But does it matter enough when these three at the top are Yes, it does. Nikiel, put him back on S. What are we doing? Westbrook belongs in us.

He needs to stay there. He is what the MVP is about. He is the first MVP in, I don't know, how many years, 20, 30 years, until Nicole Yokins, of course, to win, like, an MVP when you're not even like a top three seed, four seed. Exactly. Russell Westbrook. Russell Westbrook opened the door for Nicole Ocas to get his MVP. He walked. He walked.

He walked. Exactly. Let's talk about it. He should be thinking Russell Westbrook for what he did. I just see two seasons that had the same team success, the same type of carry job. One player is a lot better than the other. So I'm not sure why they're in the same tier. For that individual year, you couldn't tell me that, bro.

Russell was shooting 35%, 36% from the three-part line. He was different. Great. He was different. And how many, guess what? They're both the 60. It doesn't matter. It's okay.

Exactly. We're deciding by looking at the seeds now. Plus, that's the only factor. We're talking, listen, we're talking about impressiveness. Like, you talked about Yoke's starting playoff games with Compazzo and Austin Rivers. Kyle Singler and his cancer, Stephen Adams. I'm just being the contrarian. I'm just hating it.

It's fine. We can keep them there. I'm just messing around. No, you really feel like this. Don't, don't, don't lie. Oh, no, I'm right. I'm right, but I'm not, I guess. You are not right.

You are not right. Keep telling you. No, Yokish is easily a better player in 27. He was. That's not a conversation. You are not. But I respect, I respect the allure of how great a season was and how impressive it was, given all the narratives, I respect that enough to keep it nest year.

He's like, but rest of sure, Yokes was a much better player. He's like, that's not a conversation. He said, giving all the narratives. Like, Russ was out. Yeah, that's narrative. I respect it. It's a better narrative. And I fully respect that as part of an MVP conversation.

It is what it is. But if you look in the eyes, you can tell me he's just as good of a player, you're just wrong. That's not the conversation. Where are you at? I know, I know, that's what I'm saying. I get it. I get it. Wait, wait, wait, look.

There, I'm hating, but with, I'm hating, uh, I'm hating politely. I know I'm hating I'm just joking I'm hating I love the honesty on to the next video I just wanted to see how it turned up I can get Donovan

didn't work he restrained himself you was going to me turn I've learned from previous experiences I'm always always learning forever a student that's all you can ask for

next thing we're going to do we're going to play a game we're going to do some legacy talk and what this is going to be is I'm going to name NBA players and you guys are going to tell me

if they're going to go down in history as a legend a star or just a guy okay this is cool got this idea from a box to box podcast it's a soccer podcast they do this when they say

an icon hero or nothing at all I don't I think those are verbiage that they use in soccer that we don't use that in the NBA so I try to think of like the equivalence that was a good idea and we're talking about calling somebody nothing at all is hilarious shout out to those I know is he uh icon a hero or not shit yeah just not contributing to society no place in history yeah so this is obviously all these players gonna be really good but it's about how you think history's gonna view them and you know like I said they're placed in history

Let's do it. So real simple. Is this NBA player a legend, a star, or just a guy? First up, Jimmy Butler. He's a legend. Well, actually, hold on. He might be a legend because of what he did in Media Day on the court stuff too. Those runs that he went on were special.

Legendary personality, legendary NBA character for sure. But as a player, is he legend status? I don't think so. just because if he, if they had won one of those finals, maybe. Yeah, yeah. We don't remember finals losers like that. Like, we can give people credit, but at a certain point, you make it to a lot of finals and you keep losing finals.

In 10 years, that might work against. You know, he'd be legend status if he was like, Owen Iverson, where he lost, but he's also the MVP. Jimmy was just like that level in the playoffs, not the regular season, so it doesn't quite have both. yeah yeah exactly we'll go start legend belongs to guys who like will be talked about 15 20 30 years from now for the impact of their city and although jimmy like was cool and all that but no one is going to be talking about how they got pure inspiration stole some of jimmy bellers moves or 22 because no one's going to do that no one yeah okay he'll be remembered as a star that's fair

next up jamal murray if you you just go off of his basketball reference page he might look like just a guy because i don't think because the all-star appearances and the all-mba is like that's not going to be there but he's going to be next to somebody who two three-time MVP like it's going to it's going it might look like yokech and everybody else when we get down the line even even though that's clearly not the case i think that's true i think right now we recognize that he's like the best playoff riser super important to them but 30 years now maybe the kids will look back and be like yokech had no all-star teammates look at this and we'll forget about him that is a nasty loophole

people were going to use to boost yoke's like it's good argument for sure but i don't know when when you think of a playoff riser you all you immediately think of like jemal murray he is the number one case point like blank definition of that and he has to remember that story moments well listen it when you look up like playoff rising stats for sure it shows history will are we going to look up playoff rising stats okay some people will but right so you're kind of will isa mexicans that's crazy no standard that's good that's good no but like so jimmy didn't win the finals so we're not like giving him that credit but jamal is going to be on at least one championship team maybe two that might count for something like those

Are you saying history, remember him as a star? Yeah. You know what, yeah, yeah. He can't be just a guy. We're going to go start. Next up. Next up we got Paul George. This guy's a legend.

He's people's goats. You know what I'm saying? He has a theme song. There's nothing that Paul Joyce can do at this point, except for like rise in people's legend status. Like he's kind of solidified. He's going to be remembered as one of the most iconic players of a generation all because his swagger on the court bro i love it or is different yeah exactly he's the

original or man for sure it's such a easy conversation we talk about anthony edwards and shay's aura paul george's the original aura man him in indiana him dunking on chris anderson back in 2013 my god unlimited aura facts back when he had the little squeakly line on his hairline too inspired so many okay legend status for paul george that's so crazy next up Kauai Leonard Well, history remember him as a legend? Does he want to remember that's a legend?

Looking at this picture. He doesn't want to remember it at all. He wants to float away into the ether and never be talked about again, but he's not so lucky. Max, exactly. He should be a legend. He's definitely going to be a legend.

He's not, there's no way he's a legend. There's no way he's. Paul George is a legend. Kauai's a legend. No, but like Paul George is a legend for all this stuff outside of basketball. Kauai has none of that

because he doesn't want any of that. Like that doesn't exist with Kauai. But on the- I think Paul George, I think Kauai's remembered as a legend because he has like the best what-if story but he actually won.

You know, it's like, what if Grant Hill never got hurt? We're going to say, what if Kauai Leonard didn't have his injuries? But he still did it despite all that. That might be legend status. Yeah, exactly.

For what he did in the very limited amount of time that he was out to be actually had to be on the court when he was healthy, special. Think of just off that alone, it's legendary.

Yeah. And he's like a top 35. player of all time probably if you look at people's peaks like it's probably a legend people are gonna remember that as a legend row for sure i hate this game whenever bro whenever you see a six seven six a wing coming into the NBA drafts we can play defense and shoot a little bit they immediately be like next kawai leonard row immediately he said like same type of archetype people try to hope that they come into the league so yeah he's legend okay Next one, Vince Carter

Hmm Probably a star You think so? Like he might forget about Vince Carter I feel like he's just a guy To be honest with you sometimes I think he's an age is just a guy No real playoff accomplishments

No real team that is going to claim him As one of it, they're greats No transcendent records No transcendent MVP type seasons I feel like history's going to forget about him He might just be just a guy in 20 years Are the highlight dunks saving him from being just a guy, though? He has some of the greatest posters of all time.

Probably. Like, as long. He's just a dunking guy. As long as the NBA keeps the slam dunk contest, Vince Carter will be remembered. Exactly. I think that's the only challenge. If you remember for the slam dunk contest, you're just a guy. No.

No, but that's just the entry point for where people like look at Vince Carter. I think I think I think star is fine yeah we see every every like two three years someone from the dunk contest

tries to replicate his dunk we saw Jericho Sim do it They put the jersey on too We saw Donovan Mitch Do it a couple years ago as well Like I think he definitely deserves that star tag

All right there we go Shout out Vince Carter You're a star Next up Zach Levine He's just a guy That is just the most guy guy I've ever I've ever seen for sure

The most guy guy Is I looking at the eyes? That's a dude Yeah What has he done? He was on the path to being a star But the last few years But the last few years

The Bulls have completely diminished his star power Maybe he'll get back on the track But right now is looking like just the guy Listen this is a back-to-back slam dunk champion We're talking about You love the dunk contest That's what these guys are remembered for Like what do you mean?

That's what they do. Zach Levine is a dunker. You love picking a random part that's like such a small part of these conversations and making that every single one. Do you not understand that for the last 10 years, every dunk contest we're like, man, but it wasn't 2016 and it wasn't 2016. That is true. But it goes beyond that for Zach Levine too.

Like when it comes to, if you're talking about like another dunk man like Vince Carter, Vince does it like in the Olympics NBA dunk contest. Zach Levine has done none of that outside of the dunk contest so and that's and that's and that's fine like I listen Vince Carter is a better player than Zach Levine that's like oh yeah there's that so I agree with you he's just a guy I agree with you but like not facts he's like respect the dunk contest but facts yeah people have accomplishments right that's fair enough you like the dunk contest more than I do and I respect that about you I do care I have videos my phone of you freaking out about the done contest you have so much passion for it and i respect that listen you exposed me the

other day you posted it he posted the uh the reaction picture oh the screenshot yeah that's a good screenshot it's a good meme stop posting pictures with me that's like the second picture you posted in the week bro leave me alone and i saw it and i was so bro i was so mad because you posted it yes because you posted it right after the nicks had lost and i was just like not like i think you posted that like last night i was furious i actually posted it as a reaction to tyrese maxi gaming the nix i was so heated i was so heated i was so heated i didn't even like it didn't register my head that like this might upset donovan i was just like oh perfect meme here we go i have a folder for the reaction images i was like oh that's the one he's a content guy to his finest

do his gore just plucked it it was awful right next up joel imbid he's a legendary playoff choker so we can give him we can give him legend oh my god for all the wrong reasons yep you he's teetering though you also have to understand at this moment i hate joel and beat because of this series i would not say anything i would not say anything positive about joel and b so take everything I say with a grain I'm very neutral about Joelle and Bede I think he's on the edge

I think he's one of the most skilled big man of all time clearly one of the best big man scores but doesn't have the team success or any type of success outside the MVP season

to make him a legend I feel like for now he might be a star but like he could earn he's not legendary he's like he's gonna be in those conversations where it's like

damn man if he ever could have stayed healthy and if you have conversations like that means people haven't seen you at the peak of your peak he can't be he's knocking on the doors though

Listen, Janice and Joe Kitch are his peers. They both have titles. They both have two MVPs. They both show up in the playoffs. He's just waiting for his turn to finally be healthy and do it. You know, I'll give him a star. He's, he's very firmly in that Charles Barkley conversation right now.

For sure. Where he's the best. Charles Barkley's a legend. Charles Barkley wasn't choking like Joel and Bede. So, like, he has that level above him. I agree. I'm saying it's disrespectful to Barclay to put Joan Bede in this conversation. I was just talking about the best players to never win a ring.

Oh, Okay, okay, my bad. I should let you finish. My bad. I cut you off. Go ahead. Yeah. Yeah, that's fair.

Okay. Quintessential star, but we'll see. Damian Lillard. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. This might just be a guy. No. He can't be a guy.

You've seen the meme of Damian Lillard whenever he comes into Lee. Damian Lillard 10 years later, the only thing that changed is that he's grown a beard. Like, he's obviously a star player right now he is but his history you're going to remember him when we talk about the 2010 decade 20 years from now is damy lillarder's name going to be remembered or is he just going to be that guy that was below hardin and stuff he's that guy he might just be a guy because nothing happened you know there's nothing to put his name in the conversation he was that he was never the best player at his position in his era and

what's going to happen is in 20 years in 20 like we're going to get to a point where he's very underrated and then in 20 years everyone's going to go back and be like no like like you don't understand like he was he wasn't them but he was still really really good he's gonna be darren williams you guys don't understand man he was the first player in NBA history to participate in every single all-star event ever bro you never see we love all-star weekend today god shut up it matters it matters you're all gonna make my blood boil we need to respect all-star weekend let's let's talk about it man let's We don't need to abolish all-star weekend. We don't need to respect anything about it.

So me another player who could do the three-front contests, the dunk contest show up in the All-Star game, too. You can't. No, you're right. That is a problem. It's a problem that I don't give a shit about the All-Star Weeks. What happened to our league, man? So you guys don't put him as just a guy?

I think so. No. He's going to teeter. He's going to teeter back and forth between Star and just a guy. It's not about how good these people are. It's about how history is going to remember that. them and I feel like he doesn't isn't going to be that memorable bro why is he I guess appearance from Siri does here to stay in her place I would love for Dame to

break into legend status though because he's he's great I don't know ah no he can never go if he wins a championship with Janus within the next two years or so I think not gonna have sure get to that like he'll be solidified in that star star range for sure yeah teetering legs. It doesn't necessarily have to be a championship. He has to do something memorable. Like his most memorable moment

is making a conference finals and getting swept. Right now, yeah, like the 2020 bubble run and what he did back in the way. I mean, the shot of Paul,

you know, yeah, yeah. He does have, he does have two series winning game shots. Sure does Robert. Game winning shots. You're disgusting for that.

You are. You're nasty. You're nasty. You're disgusting for that. I'm sorry. Sunday's drummer. I like name a lot. Last video we got before we get out of here.

I like that series. I am going to name three players and I want you guys to rank them one through three. All right. NBA rank them. Okay, let's do it. This will be a different different types of combinations of players

of different tiers, you know? Some of them stars, some of them role players, some of them young players. A nice little variety. All right. Let's run this shit. First trio. Anthony Edwards, Devin Booker, and Donovan Mitchell.

Anthony Edwards is the newest, best shooting guard in the entire NBA. Crown Omies, number one. I held on Devin Booker for so long and did his job. I think he passed him up. Devin Booker changed. That list. Live in front of everyone. Exactly.

That list, the order that you have them in, that is the correct order. Is Andy Edwards, Devin Booker, then Donovan Mitchell. I agree. They're all super close. If you want to put DeMitch over, Booker, I understand, but I'm still going this order. I agree The order's perfect That's an easy one

Next up We got Kyle Kuzma Franz Wagner and Jalen Green Kyle Kuzma The thing that sways This is Jaling Green During the last like

15, 20 games of the year That dude is special He might be number one Crazy month and a half Exactly Who cares Who cares He does this like clockwork

He tricks you guys For a month and a half And the season is going to start Next year And you're going to get the same old Jalen Green It's Franz, it is Franz, Kyle Kuzma, Jalen Green. I believe Jailen's going to take a jump.

I think I can go Jalen over Kuzma if we're projecting the next year. I need to see it. He's good. I respect Kuzma. People underrate Kuzma because he's playing for an irrelevant franchise. He's good.

I need Jalen Green to score 30 points consistently after Groundhog bid. If he can do that, then I can put him to, but no. All right. We're watching, Moe. I agree. We can put him at three. for sure.

Jalen, I try to give you respect and not having it. Yeah. Next up. It's proven. Shout out Kuzma. John the Kaminga,

Herb Jones, Austin Reeves. Herb Jones is number one. Easily. He has... Top tier, top tier, a defender.

Yeah. I love Austin Reeves, but he is not one of the best at anything in the NBA. Herb Jones can say that. Not many people can say that in NBA.

He's one of the best defenders you've seen over the last few years, for sure. Okay. Camiga versus Reeves is interesting. Warriors fans can be real mad about it

because Austin Reeves gets shit on a lot for no reason I still think he's better Austin Reeves is for sure better He's been doing it for longer on a consistent basis We've seen him in big moments before show up and show out I'm rolling with Austin Reeves easily He gets criticized a lot Because some Lakers fans overhyped him

To being the next star or whatever And he's not that But he's a legitimately really good role player A really good secondary playmaker I would rather have him for this season I agree with all of that I think that listen Kaminga is the idea

of comminga is really cool and really fun but we haven't seen that consistently the same way that we've seen Austin Reeves hoop so yeah exactly herb austin become an actual good big primitive defender then it's that but right now he's a cone so if he's not bringing you great defense his scoring doesn't make up for it yeah he has all the potential in the world though to be the best out of out of this group for sure yeah he should pass up reeves in time i agree next up Alfred and Sengoon Chet Holmgren Evan Mowgli

Chet won Easy Yep Evan Moby's last Rock his fans You get mad at me for saying it Don't care it's true Give me Chet

Evan Moby's last Yeah Yeah yeah Sangun deserves The Nott over in Moby right now Yeah I like that If Evan Mowley ever gets

A three point shot of some sort I think he could pass him up Because the defense is legitimately Top Tier And the rim finishing is legitimately really good But without spacing in the modern NBA is a four, it's hard to be super valuable.

He's fighting Derek Faber's allegations every week. I'm sorry. That's just what it is. That's what Streets are saying he's Derek Fabers. I ain't say that. That's what Street said. Streets is right. I agree.

Okay. Now they're not right. That movie's good. Yeah, I agree. It's the right order. Next one. Kobe White, Anthony Simons, and DeAngelo Russell. All right.

So give me. this is actually tough who's the best out of this group is Anthony Simons the best or Kobe White because it's not Delo six months ago

I would say Anthony Simons I think it might be Kobe White I think he might have got me into his fan club this year

they're all literally in the same tier in the same realm of just point guards in the NBA I feel safe putting Delo last just because we know

what he is in the playoffs I agree we can have some type of oh maybe these other two guys will be great in the playoffs

we know what Dilo is gonna do and it's not pretty you know what all right yeah give me Kobe White give me Anthony Simons

give me Delo I think that's okay it wouldn't be surprising if Anthony Simons ends up being better than all these guys at all no

would be surprised about that but right now considering how the season ended for him I'm fine with Kobe White being Simons is low keen like year 6 so he feels younger than he is

he was drafted in 2018 yeah fuck his time Simons is like a quarterback prospect where he sat behind Lillard for four years before you had a chance. Yeah, but he's still

he's still hella young because he didn't go to college. Yeah. Shout out of, what did he go to? Was it an IMG elite? That fake-ass cool. Fake school.

They got a hell of prospects. Donda Academy. They're not doing no studying. They're reading lunch pamphlets there for study hour. Reading Chinese takeout menus. Next up. Last one.

Cade. him lamello ball macaille bridges mckel looks so bad here bro he's dead last photo well i wasn't talking about that how are we putting this okay i think this is the hardest one we've done so lamello should be one we know what he can be what he can do when he's we know what he can be when he's healthy yeah never healthy so do we want to still put him one mccal bridges does not miss games so do you guys with that in mind too do you want to boost him up for that.

Not really. I think I do. Okay, does K deserve to be one then? Nah, he can't be one. He's a perfect too, I think. We can't put Lamello 3, though. He's clearly an all-star level player. Other two guys really aren't yet.

I know, but he is on very like first four years, Zion type of time. If Zion was on this list, he'd be one. But that's just luck. I think Lamello definitely deserves to be. be one for sure because we've seen the pathway he's already made an all-star team he just needs to get healthy that's literally yeah i agree luck is the right way to say he's been unlucky maybe he's chronicly lucky forever but i feel safe saying he's the most talented player for sure i agree

kade versus bridges listen to bridges is your third best player maybe he's better but we know kate can probably take up higher step than bridges capable of yeah for sure the playmaking is just like the biggest swing for me both like there is value to be the best level role player in the league. You're right. But at the same time, any doesn't miss games too. But I don't know. I just like Cade ceiling a lot more. Yeah, but who's better now? I'm only with Cade. The last 30 game Cade, walk it in. You know, I'm rolling. I'm rolling. I'm rolling with bridges. I'm rolling with bridges. Well, Isaac said is right. Well, Isaac said it is right. There is value to being the best number three option rather than

the 21st best one option. And if that is where you are going to be slotted for a majority of your career, I'd rather take Mikhail Bridges. I'll do that. I agree with you, but for this year, but I imagine Kay passes them up next season. Yeah.

I'm out of order. You guys are so wrong. Yeah, get fucked. Oh, God. Now, I think Kay next year should probably take that leap, but I've been saying that for three years straight now. Listen, you're lucky I didn't put Lamello at three. I'm not have great.

I wouldn't let it happen. never let that would have been that would have been crazy I've staked my claim on being pro lamello and being the guy that tries to not overreact injuries I'm gonna stay on it but we'll see if I'm wrong with him because how many how many years in a road does it take before you say okay he's injury prone

and it's not oh he's injury prone as fuck I can already say that I'm with you there okay what does that mean I'd rather have McHale Bridges no would you rather have McHale Bridges or Brandon Ingram McHale Bridges

Easy I don't really want Bennett Ingram Brandon McHall is easier Way easier to playing around And build around And stuff like that

For sure Yeah they both need To be very tertiary Third Option roles I would rather have Bridges in that role Well that's the end of the episode Does anybody have anything

That they should comment There's like three episodes In a row I've asked you guys this And we've whiffed Anybody got anything Why don't you have anything what because I just like to pull from the crowd what do you mean what do you mean

pull from the crowd it's been three straight weeks where is your statement if you're still here if you're still here comment Tyrese maxi has big balls oh see that's disrespectful who's that disrespectful to him

Maxi is a fucking dude you know I'm going through a hard time as we record this oh disprove the Knicks fans oh fuck y'all comment Tyrese maxi is him comment that's why I hope LeBron leaves we're also recording this before the next game

so the main pod you guys have watched would have happened after game six so maybe they already got eliminated maybe this aged terribly maybe Donovan can laugh at me and won't please I'm praying that happens six or seven Tyrese maxi is him comment it

shut up comments six is in seven as well let's go we'll see you guys next week