The Deep 3 Podcast - Ja Morant Is RUINING His NBA Career | Ep. 37

Episode Date: May 19, 2023

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Hey, everybody. So before I send you all off to the real episode, I got to say, this episode was supposed to drop yesterday, but we had some technical difficulties that made it delayed a day. And all that means is we recorded this before game two of Lakers versus Nuggets. So our opinions on that series are a bit outdated, but since the Nuggets won anyways, it doesn't make a huge difference, so I'm just going to let it ride. Yeah, enjoy the episode. It is Wednesday, May 17th.

We've seen exactly one game of both conference finals series, and I want to start the show by saying, without a doubt, Nicole Yokic is the best player in the NBA. Yeah, he got that I think he's about time To Mo's credit He said this early in the season He ranked the number one Above Yonis

And me and Donovan were both like You gotta give it to Yonis At this point Until somebody else earns it And for those who don't know Nuggets won game one of the series Yokic averaged 30 point triple double In the last round

And he came out in game one And cooked the Lakers I don't know how we don't give it to him He got this man This man had 1916 and 7 in the 4 first half against AD like 2K now he got it he's okay and we've been talking about absolutely right like go ahead and talk about Isaac bro we've been talking about AD is like a defensive Messiah all

playoffs saying he's the best defensive player in the league right now and it's not close he had nothing for yokech one-on-one nothing yeah way too physical and when you put him around that close to the rim as soon as he gets his positioning like his touch is that crazy where there's literally nothing that you can do he can put anybody in the blender like A lot of people over here talking about, like, you know, if you're building your prototypical defender for a Nicola Yokic, oh, it looks like Anthony. There's no one.

If you're building a prototypical defender for Yokic, it's the Grim Reaper. It's God. It's someone who can strike him down. Yeah, it's Tim Duncan, I guess. Like, I ask me something, the problem of AD is as good as he is. He doesn't have the size to be able to, like, stop Yokish and get into his spots. No one does, because nobody is 300 pounds while also being nimble and also having length and defensive instincts.

Like, that player comes around once every 20 years, and his name is Hakeem Elijah won. Like, it's impossible to stop this, man. And before we get too sidetracked on the Yokish phrase, we've got to talk about this series in general, of what you guys are thinking after one game. Before we get into that, as always, if you guys are watching on YouTube, do as a favor,

drop a like and subscribe. If you're on audio platforms, rate as five stars, follow on those, follow us on all of our socials. You've seen on the screen right now if you're on YouTube, all of us on Twitter. Got that out of the way. Okay, so first off,

who do you think is going to win, Nuggets versus Lakers? We never got a chance to do our official predictions. I had nuggets in seven to start, to start. I thought that they were going to be, I wanted to give the Lakers a little bit more respect than I've been given them up until this point in the playoffs. But I've thought that Denver was going to make it out the West since the start of the playoffs. I think that they're the better team. Yolkich is him, right? We just gave him the crown as best player in the world.

And they haven't had a game this entire postseason where, they've looked like bad. All of their losses, something crazy has had to happen. They came back, even the game that they were down 12 against Minnesota, they were able to come back. And if Yolkich makes a frito, they win that game in regulation. And then the two games they lose to the Sons, Devon Booker had to shoot 80% for them to get that, for them to get those games. So unless the Lakers are on fire, I don't see a way that they can keep off offensively with Denver and, like, you know, and beat them in seven games. so I'll take them.

Okay. Yeah. For me, I want to say the Nuggets, but it would not surprise me whatsoever if the Lakers do win because LeBron looked really, really, really good last night. Now, maybe it's because, like, his primary defender for a chunk of the time being was Jamal Murray, and that's just like a mismatch from hell. But overall, I just think that the Nuggets have everything.

going their way like I don't imagine DeAngel Russell having a good series on a consistent basis you're reliant you may like have to rely on Rui Hachimura and also Jerry Banderbilt who have like proven to you know

be reliable and just come out of nowhere at least Ruehachimura in the playoffs but I just think that the Nuggets it just this is so hard like I it can literally go either way it can go either way But my gut and the respect in me says the nuggets, but I will not be surprised whatsoever if the Lakers with all the insane adjustments that they're able to make and the flexibility that they have, I think, in terms of just like the amount of adjustments that they can make supersedes what the Denver Nuggets can do.

So that's the only reason why, like, I'm just like not 110% sold. But I'm like 99% sold with the nuggets. That's fair. Before the series, I was going into it. I had talked myself into Lakers in the six or seven I think Okay, so we're going to get into specifics of this game But I think either way you go

Whatever you thought going into the series Shouldn't change based on this first game I'll say that So I'm going to try to fight against the overreaction to game one And stick with my Lakers take But game two isn't tell me everything I need to know The Nuggets come out and win game two

I'm fairly certain they're going to win this series But right now I'll stick with Lakers Let's let's talk specifically about what we saw in this first game we talked about Yokic was absolutely eating Donovan, you mentioned the Nuggets offense just looked unfuck with the bull Which is like, you know, something we've seen in all playoffs

Yeah It's interesting because as a Lakers fan I didn't leave it entirely Like dissuaded, you know what I mean? I think there's some reasons to be a little optimistic Moe said LeBron look great LeBron looked great I feel like the first two series he talked about

Is he injured or is he saving his energy I think now we know it's probably a little bit of both Because it looked like he was, like, running fast every single play. He was actually trying and asserting himself as a ball handler. Yeah. Which, one, is an energy thing. Two, I think the Warriors were a switching team. So when they run pick and rolls with LeBron and AD, they're going to switch it.

And LeBron's not going to attack somebody one-on-one every play. But the Nuggets can't switch the LeBron to pick and roll. They have to either go over or under the screen, which allows LeBron to actually get penetration, use his passing, get to the rim. So I think naturally we're going to see a better LeBron in this series. Yeah, exactly. week you got it you got him oh no you go ahead i think i think that there's a couple things and i'm i'm with you i think that there's a couple things for the lakers that leave you um encourage but at the same time those same things are are also why i would be a little bit discouraged

ad and tell us what the encouraging things are first well it's it's the same thing the thing is that lebron looked great and ad had 40 and 10 and you end up losing and you were down very You were down a lot very early. Like they had to come back. For sure. They had to come back from 20. And for them, if LeBron is on his game and AD, again, had 40 and 10 and you are playing from behind, I would be a little bit discouraged because it's like, if that doesn't

happen every single game, then what are we doing? The flip side is, 80 had 40 and 10. And LeBron looked really good. And that wasn't something that you saw every single game in that Warriors series. And I think that that contributed because, like, the Warriors, Well, I thought that, like the Warriors, I thought they were going to win that series, and I expected a lot more from them. But part of that was because of the variance that we've seen from the Lakers, and I hadn't seen LeBron give 100% effort. I hadn't seen LeBron look great up until that point in the playoffs.

If he does that this series, I think the Lakers have a much better chance. So it's a two-sided coin, and I think that they can certainly hang their hats on the fact that they were able to find success with their two. two main guys against Denver. Yeah, and I don't really see that changing. I think AD eating is not just a hot AD game. It shows you that this team isn't equipped to stop Anthony Davis, like the Warriors were with Draymond Green and Kvon Looney, or like the Grizzlies were with Jaron Jackson, Jr.

For everything the Nuggets do well, defending big men that can eat at the rim is not one of them, you know? And same thing with LeBron. They're not a switching defense that can prevent LeBron from gay penetration. Once LeBron gets by his man and is in the open court, in the half court attacking the room able to use his passing or finishing he's going to eat in matter what

no matter how old he is and you mentioned they got down big early I think that was because of a big mistake in the beginning they started the game small they started Dennis and tried to turn the game into a track meet which was fucking dumb against the best offensive team but they started to come back in the game late

because they went big started Rui Hachimura for the second half and they found something interesting with Rui guarding Yokic and then Anthony Davis on Aaron Gordon to come be the help defender and kind of muck things up in the paint. You could argue the Nuggets have time to adjust to that now and maybe the Lakers showed their hand, but I think it's probably more encouraging sign going forward that there's a way to stop this team. I think that's been ever playing, though.

My thing, though, like, even just looking at the Nuggets roster, like, how can you adjust to, like, the Lakers playing a little bit bigger now? I said this last podcast, I don't think that we knew 100% if the Lakers were going to play the Nuggets and we just made up some scenarios or whatever. And, like, what I said about the Lakers and how they faced off in the 2020 in the bubble or whatever, and the series went to five. And I was mainly tenting about, like, if the Lakers are going to do this, like, they're going to need to do a lot of the similar things, but they do not have as many big-ass bodies like they did.

They didn't have Dwight Howard, who's in Taiwan right now. They didn't have DeVail McGee, whose Lord knows what's going on with DeVille McGee. like they had so many options and right now like they're all so much smaller than what they were and just having big ass trees in the paint to just have hands up to cause some type of dysfunction helps a hell of a lot and I don't know how much you know if they're going to win they're going to have to win in a completely different way and I think they do have a lot more offensive firepower compared to the early 2020 Laker or the 2020 Laker championship team. Yeah, that's fair.

So, Darvin Ham is going to have to absolutely, like, be in his bag. And he did do that in the second half, like you guys said and alluded to. So this is every, like, basketball nerds, like, this is basketball nerd heaven right now. Oh, for sure. Darvin Ham versus Mike Malone is two coaches that know how to adjust and do creative things with versatile lineups. It's going to be great. You mentioned they have to win differently. I 100% agree.

I think it's less going to be about beating them with size and the pain and bludgeoning him to death It's going to be more about beating them with perimeter length With they have to bring Jared Vanderbilt back into the fold Which is tough because they didn't start him and play him a lot Because on one hand if he's in the game Your defense is really good And you have this really versatile wing defender

Who can switch on to Nikola Yokic Maybe start defending him He can guard Aaron Gordon He can contest MPJ's height But on the other side of the court They're going to ignore him completely And he's in a destroyer spacing well, he has to take corner threes over and over again

which you don't want. But if you don't have him, you're way too small and the nuggets run down your throat like we saw in the first quarter of the last game. So it's kind of die by one... You pick which side of the court you're going to die by. So maybe that's where Rui Hachemora comes in the play as somebody who's tall and can shoot.

And, Donovan, another... Going back to you mentioned they went down big early in their first quarter. Why do you think they went down big? What did you see is the biggest weakness that they folded earlier besides the size? Well, they could have rebound the basketball all game and they were getting dominated on the board a product of going small right that's what

happens whenever you start about shooter probably yokech being a god yeah that too um but like if you if you can't rebound the basketball and your transition defense is trash and you're playing against the best offense with the point center who sees absolutely everything and michael porter junior running down one side and jamal murray running down the other you're gonna get dotted up like it's just it's gonna happen and so that was that was the worst start for the lakers um in terms of game plan i thought that they going in i thought that they had to lean in to their offensive side but i after game one i really think they're probably just going to have to eat it and start vando i i think i think they have to you have to go all in on you on your defensive identity and you're going to have to

try and slow down denver and minimize the amount of of offensive possessions that they have so I think Bando and Rui end up getting a lot more minutes. I mean, Rue ended up playing 28 minutes. Dennis played 32. We'll probably see that a little bit less in game two. Vando played 10. I expect at least 15, 17 minutes from him. But yeah, they have to try something.

And like you said, that's the main adjustment that they have. And also, for all this talk about Rui, you know, Rui and like the Yokish shopper And you know like they being the key to this people said that It was it was floating around But like being the key to the scheme You got in cells on your timeline I ain't see that once

You know what I'm saying Rui being the key to the scheme to slow down Yokish That's allowing 80 to be off ball Yes yes That's going to get exposed I think I think Yokic If you give Yokits 24 hours

To figure out Hey how am I going to score and how am I going to attack Rui Hachamor at the point of attack and then figure out what happens after that, he's going to be just fine. Let's talk about that because I think that's interesting. Two things. First, one thing I want to get back to that you just mentioned

is the reason they went down early. They couldn't rebound for shit and their transition defense was terrible. Those two things being bad at the same time is ridiculous. Because we're saying now they need to improve both those things, which is hard because you can either have your perimeter players crash the boards and make sure you don't get out rebounded or have them focused on getting back in transition.

you kind of got to pick one to focus on. The Lakers didn't do either. They were just terrible both of them. Like, what are you focusing on then? If you're not getting down low or getting back, like, what are you looking at? That was one of the first things that Darwin Ham called out in his press conference, like right after the Denver has got a defensive rebound, Delo, standing, Dennis Roder, like, ball watching. You know, Anthony Davis, not being as attentive to the rim as he should be.

But those things are like super easy. and super fixable. And so I saw I'm not like panicking over here. I'm not alex fan or whatever. I'm not panicking and thinking that the series is cooked whatsoever. And it's like it's literally neck and neck. Like, bro, I was sitting down watching the TV and I was on Twitter while also watching the deep three live on TikTok, tune in, follow.

I think, but I was on the live stream. Next thing you know, I go ahead and see that fucking Austin Reeves hit a three to cut the game, like to, I don't know, six to eight or something like that. And it just happened in a blink of an eye. Yeah. You know. Yeah.

That's absolutely crazy. After all the chaos of Yolkich is costing and so like, it's causing it. So like if they just clean up all the little things, you know, like it's not as simple as that like cleaning up all the little things. But if they were to just give more hustle and effort and be more attentive, they probably would have won that game. And also if like Yokic didn't hit a dumb ass like step.

back three and Jamal Murray didn't hit like those crazy like they they were just on one that was their night to sure um I think that probably comes down to DeAngel Russell probably playing a whole lot less because he's a defensive liability and they're attacking him Michael Loans says press conference talking about playing Dilo off the court trying to get in his head I think it'll work I think Dela's going to be irrelevant like PCP get off nine for 17 that's crazy dude that he was getting good and then four of eleven on the other side is also not helpful at all going back to what Donovan said you think you were saying that the Rui Hichumora addition to the lineup being

able to stop Yokish you think they're going to be able to expose that I think it's really easy to say that because Rui can't fucking hold Yokish it's not going to be he's not the defensive mastermind that's going to slow him down I think it's easy to say because what we saw what's happening was Anthony Davis was helping off Aaron Gordon and Aaron Gordon wasn't shooting in a corner three he was mucking up their offense so everyone's saying okay well he'll shoot those threes or he'll sit in the dunker spot and that'll be how they defeat it. I don't really think it's that simple. I think everyone keeps saying they're going to move Aaron Gordon down to the dunker spot. So when Anthony Davis helps off of him

to Yokic, they dump off to him and Aaron Gordon gets open dunks. That sounds to me like exactly what the Lakers want. So they're going to come down to the point where Yokish is able to cook Rui, but then you have Anthony Davis coming over to help. And how do you punish him for helping with the lineup? Are they going to play Jeff Green in the corner? That's what Draymond Green was saying on his podcast, is that you put Draymond Green in there instead of Aaron Gordon, because Dremont game can hit corner threes. Fucking okay. Or let Dremont, Jeff Green, shoot corner threes?

Jeff Green? Jeff Green? Like, I don't know. What's the move that they can do tactically to not let Anthony Davis ignore Aaron Gordon? So, okay. It's not just about Yonkish, you know? Yeah. Listen, you guys, you guys sleep on, on, I'm saying sleep, but like, like, in the war, in the

Warriors series. if you would have said, oh, well, you know, we're just going to use Jemichael Green. We would have had the same reaction. And you know what I'm saying? Like, you would have laughed at Steve Kern. Like, oh, yeah, Jamichael Green's going to be the answer. And for a game, it wasn't. For a game, it was.

For that second game, if you're just talking about game to game adjustments, obviously, if they make that move, Darwin Ham's going to come back. He's going to figure something out and it's just chest mass. But if we're just talking about going into game two, Jeff Green in the corner is a very viable option. I think in terms of if you want to have shooting there, what I think that Denver should do, and they ran it a couple of times, but when they run,

when they run, you know, pick and roll with Yokic, they should lower it down, right? Because we saw, we saw a couple times where Yokic made really quick moves out of the post.

And so if you have Rui there, if that action is, if that action starts lower and Yokic is making quicker moves, it's going to force Anthony Davis to be reactive and to put out that fire. as quick as possible. And so if we're talking about a split-second decision, I'm trusting Yokish to make that pass every single time. So I think, like, you know, we've seen Murray and Yokic run this pick and roll all the time.

And it's normally like around the foul line. Yokic has been able to get going downhill, get floaters. I think that's still going to be there, but they should focus on him getting post touches and working lower out of everything. Yeah, that's smart. Yeah, there's just less room at that point for Anthony Davis come over and help Yeah Especially if he's starting the position in the corner on a shooter

You just don't have so much space to rotate that's smart One of the thing is a how'd you have feel about Jamal Murray in this game? He was good He was good. It was a bag, I mean like I think the Lakers made it so fucking easy for him to cook in this game Because the way they're defending Anthony Davis was obviously defending yokech When they did these dribble handoffs Dennis Schroeder had to try to get over the screens

And Nicole Yokicch is big wide ass says he's hard-ass greens. Dennis got caught him every single time. And AD was so terrified of Yokch cooking that he refused to leave him. So it just resulted in a wide-open Jamal-Murie shot every time he got a dribble handoff. And, like, I get why that's difficult

because you can't leave Yokch open in any capacity. But if you let Jamal Murray walk into an open pull-up shot every single play, he's going to make him a lot. So I don't know what they're... Is going to cook this series. Like, he's going to get his numbers and all that stuff. But I don't know. To let him, though.

Yeah, exactly. You don't want to bend and shift your entire defense to focus on. How do we stop by Jamalmer? You can't do that. I think, like... I don't know. That's what concerns me the most as a Lakers fan. I think they can find a way to neutralize Yokets a little bit with putting

Van der Rui on him and having AD's help. But that's where we get into the thing that Casey P just said in this press conference yesterday that he's the same guy as LeBron, just with less athleticism, where even if you find a way to sell out and not let him score, He will pick you apart with a perfect pass every time And I think they have so much lethal shot making with Jamal Murray Michael Porter Jr., the cutting of Aaron Gordon, KCP That I don't know how they're going to be able to stop all of that

You know what I mean? Yeah So do you go to the strategy where you say yoke you can have 50 every single night But you're only going to get seven assists you know instead of your regular Only 50 and seven I know right I know Is that is that the move where you say like hey KCP, there's no way you're getting up 17 shots tonight. Michael Porter Jr., there's no way that you're coming out here

and you're dropping 20 tonight. We will let Yokic kill us to death on twos, but we're not letting the Nuggets win in terms of like field goal attempts and buckets and the math, that's not going to happen. Maybe. I don't think you can. So some teams, that make sense. If this is the Celtics, they'd probably do that

because they have so much offensive firepower that they know the Nuggets aren't going to be able to stop them back. So maybe you try neutralize them and have them score 100 a game and you're going to score 110 because you know you had that kind of offense. I don't think the Lakers have that identity. They're not the warriors. You know, they're not going to

out shoot you. They have to win by mucking you up on defense. And I don't know if letting Yoker score 50 points is a way to go to great defense. You know what I mean? But I don't know what the answer is though. So maybe that's what they have to do. You're right. I don't know. Well, this is why we're just podcasters on our off hours instead of

NBA coaches, you know, so there's just so many layers to this entire thing, and there's a reason why these two teams made the Western Conference finals, they were the best two teams in that conference, which is still like insane to me right now, just to even like repeat that.

The Lakers, they have ways to go with this. There's so many, there's so many options, and that's literally a chess game. It's literally a chess game, and I'm here for it. It's been a great series. Two really smart coaches. Looking back, I can't believe that, like, Lakers' Twitter all season was, like, wanting to fire Darwin Ham. Like, look how far we come.

It's the pressure of being in L.A. And having a whole bunch of fans that never showed up before 2019 and they don't know basketball and stuff like that. That's what happens. People just don't know what coaches do. It's just crazy. One random thing that I want to say is that Aaron Gordon, this has to be his series because so much, like, the Lakers, he's the target. He's someone that they're trying to eliminate. We already saw what they're trying to do when they've been doing with Aaron Gordon,

put him in the Dugger Spahn and whatnot, and now you're taught. And now there's ways around that, and now you're trying to sub out AG minutes for Jeff Green minutes and stuff like that. He has to hone in and be more of a consistent offensive threat. Do whatever he does on defense. That's cool. That's great. Of course, and super valuable. But he's easily, like, I don't want to say the weak link,

but he's easy to exploit. you know and over his last six playoff games he shot 40% from the field and 23% from the three point line that's terrible he's been wildly inconsistent but he does a lot of the other small things that's why it's like okay you know you don't want him he's not there to like you know score 20 points a night or anything like that but in moments like these like this is this is it you know yeah for sure the NBA playoffs are here so that means that you should get in on the action with underdog fantasy the best and easiest way to play fantasy sports online you can play on the app or you can play online and all you have to do is say higher or lower on your favorite or least

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celtics versus heat ended we don't we don't even have instant reactions we haven't even had time to think about it really like we were start recording right after the game ended so for those don't know that Miami Heat came out and stole game one in Boston. And at this point, I'll go out here to my prediction first. I'm not going to predict the Heat will lose a single game until they do. At this point, against all logic, they win every single game, and I just don't know how to think about them in any way besides, and they're going to win, and I don't know why. That's funny. Well, they, so a Heat sweep from Isaac. Gotcha. Sure. I just know that the Heat have no talent, but 100% dogging them, and they're never going to lose a game because of it.

What an elite synopsis They win with pure grit They get it out the mud Every play They just want it bad enough And they always get it Exactly

They're quite literally Like You remember them Mid 2000s Memphis Grizzlies Same exact vibes Less talent Way less talent

Than those teams And they're just like Eric Spolster is putting up A master class Every single night I know I know He can make

Dude Honestly, Isaac, I heard you were trashed at basketball. You could be putting up 15 points right now for the Miami. Donovan, you would be the Tatum stopper. Bro, I'd be a sniper. Max Drews might just be a tall white Donovan. Like, he's just like, God. He's turning into a sharpshooter.

Yeah, exactly. That's disrespectful. He got the touch. Listen, we will post a TikTok of us playing basketball one day. All right. Y'all see you. Y'all see you. I'm taking Miami is six in this one though

Miami six okay Miami six I got it I had a game time decision I said on the on the stream yesterday that I had no idea where I wanted to go everything in me was saying that like Boston is the better team on paper right they have all these offensive weapons and but like you said Miami just has that dog in them and Jimmy Butler just refuses to let people lose and I I picked I'm picking the heat in six

I can't trust Boston at all after after the series that they had last year against Miami where they probably should have won in five when it was it was Jimmy Butler Tyler Hiro was out with a groin injury Kyle Lowry had like five good minutes in the entire series and that came down to a Jimmy Butler pull up three with like 20 seconds to go you have all of that there was a couple moments in the Philly series where I thought that they they should have played better Right? They should have came out. They should have executed, but still, they still didn't have it. And just with their play style and with, and we can transition to everything that happened tonight, their play style invites a lot of variance. And so whether that comes with the amount of threes that you make, with the amount of threes that you take, I don't know what I'm getting offensively every night from Boston. And so like, that's why tonight, they shot 29 threes. They got, they, the heat shot 31. And they shot, They only made 10 threes tonight. They were down.

They lost the three-point battle by 18 points. It's stuff like that where you lost game one, you lost home court. You know Tatum's going to have a stinker this series, right? And Miami's probably going to capitalize. So that's already two games. You're probably going to have another game where the whole team just can't shoot, even if you get 40 points up, 43s up. That's three games.

And so now you're just asking the heat, hey, can you go out and win one game again? And I think that they can do it. Yeah, Mo, where are you sitting on this matchup? I'm one to believe that the Boston Celtics, I had them, ironically enough, like losing last series. I can't believe I put my face into that blue team. I don't even want to say their name, bro. I know.

We'll get to them later. We'll fire their ass to them later. But I don't think the Boston Celtics can get away this series with having wild inconsistencies. you're not going to have up the same opportunities that Atlanta and also Philadelphia especially gave you like once you're in the ground you're going to be put you're going to be buried like six feet deep by a team as cerebral as the Miami Heat and they're just going to waste no time like they don't they cannot afford too many Tatum stinkers which will like inevitably like happen they cannot afford to shoot 10 three hours. make only 10 threes out of 29 like they just can't afford none of that they need to be on their peas and cues if you seriously want to beat this miami heat team and uh bro i don't even know what to say like when it comes to exes and o's and schematics because when it comes to the miami

they're just like they get the most out of everyone you know they get every ounce of your potential max juice is looking like 610 clay thompson what the hell is going on bro it's just like the team is just a great defensive center an unstoppable wing who gets into the paint and creates open shots for others nonstop and a lot of undrafted, gritty-ass men who want it more than everybody else hitting those open threes.

And then there's Kevin Love. What the hell? Then you have the Calvin Klein model who throws passes across the court. Yeah, exactly. God, man. No, they're disgusting. They're disgusting.

And it's so weird because they're not disgusting. Look at the names on paper. What do you? But they are. I agree. But they're not, but they are. Like, they shouldn't be, but they do not lose. What makes the Miami Heat special to you guys?

Eric Sproulster is a genius. And what that looks like is, you say he's getting the most of his players. That's the easy way to say is he finds ways to make these people, they find out of the scrap people's useful. Which also maybe is a disservice to the scouting department there because Max Drew, gave Vincent, Duncan Robinson, they have skills. But Eric Sproleser knows exactly what lineups to deploy exactly the right times. When to go to zone defense, when to go to drop coverage. All these things, they make so many changes on the fly within the games

that playing them must be confusing as fuck. Because you play the Bucks in a series, and they run the same coverage every single play. You know what to expect. You play the Sixers. You know they're going to do Hardin and Bid pick and rolls to death. You know how to defend that. Then you go against the heat, and you're just seeing a million different things

and those things change every single game based on the lineups you deploy. it's such mental chest you have to play every single play and then you had Jimmy Butler who just wants someone and everybody who's relentless it's just hard listen Jason Tatum found out

that it was hard again because he folded his fourth quarter was trash his last three minutes was abominable he had three turn he had three turnovers didn't get up a single shot

in the fourth quarter which is wild Jason Tateam coming off a 51 point game did not get a single shot off in the fourth quarter that's insane bro tell them what type of turnovers they were in the fourth quarter oh my goodness that makes a footier so one of them the the first one was he was driving tried to try to kick it out to jalen brown and jimmy butler was like you're stupid

if you if you think that i didn't see that i'll take that right he jumps the passing lanes he gets it the next two turnovers travels back to back possessions to back possessions he travels with the basketball he was No, he folded You know why? We can say he folded But travels are not a normal thing Jason Tatum does

That's not a trait of his That's a town wrong thing That is good But that happens because the heat applies so much pressure With their constantly changing defensive schemes They're running zone one play The next they're running hard traps

On pick and rolls And then plus they just had These tenacious defenders with so much length When you have Jimmy Butler and Max Drews He's like deceptively tall like he's like six five and really long pause it's easy to be like in a pressure moment of a late fourth quarter it's easy to get flustered when you're not a natural high level playmaker who can handle the type of pressure it's fucking difficult like that's a lot of pressure

the the i think it was the first one of one of the travels i can't remember where they came one of them came where he tatum had caught the ball on the wing and he's going for a shot and somebody's flying by him to to contest he tries to pump fake and then put the ball on the and he like jumped with the pump fake and did all that that's because of everything that you're saying just because of the length but it's like it's moving too fast that listen the celtics for as many for as many great players that they have on their team and really good players they have some of the worst like late or most i'll say inconsistent because they're sometimes where they're really good but they have they have some of the most inconsistent late game execution that i've ever seen and it's

The same thing that happened last year, right? The turnovers killed them in the finals. The turnovers and the bad execution nearly killed them in the Eastern Conference finals against the heat. They were up 13 with two minutes to go and the heat stormed back because of all these things. And I think that Miami because of, and we honestly can't say it enough, because of their intangibles, because of heat culture, because of all this, they will capitalize on every single one of those mistakes. and so unless Boston is perfect going down the stretch or unless they're up by 10 with two minutes to go, I don't trust them to execute down the stretch.

I just don't see it. The thing with the Celtics is that like structurally with how they're built and also like their general play style, like those two things don't 110% mess just because like playmaking is not a hundred percent like a natural thing for Jason Tatum and especially Jalen Brown who had six turnovers by the way that's absolutely disgusting anyways um yeah so like when you play that this like high level flying up and down like ball throwing like you're you're riding with a three point shot and then they just

their scheme of playing basketball doesn't play directly well into someone like Jason Tatum's hands yeah and you're just inviting a lot of inconsistency sees with that and that's just what naturally is going to happen if you had more of a natural playmaker then i think you have like a completely different result because you have someone who can see all levels of the floor and not just make these like one two quick reactionary passes that the normal player can develop over as years go by you know yeah yeah we keep mentioning that the heat find a way to win off of purely wanting it more and all this stuff which is like the easy way to say but what it really means is the things we're talking about is that they

apply lots of pressure and force you to make quick decisions or they'll capitalize off those mistakes you make and that's not something entirely new like teams have played high risk high reward levels types of defensive four where they're applying pressure going for steals trying to make plays and make you beat them with smart quick choices that's nothing new there's a reason the heat don't win the championship every year because you can exploit that but the way to exploit that is like what we saw the 2020 finals where you have a really smart playmaker like lebron who can see that pressure, slow down, and dice it up. That's the answer. That's why we saw peak of his powers, Janus in 2021, sweep this team. This is the same team, essentially. It just takes that type of playmaker

or playmakers, if you have Drew Holliday, Chris Milton, and Janus to be able to see this pressure, analyze it, and dissect it. And for what you said, for everything that the Celtors do well, Jason Tatum was dicing them up in their first quarter and the second quarter. Nobody can stay in front of him he can get to the rim at will but can he see this defense make the right pass analyze it and be the league playmaker i don't know one one assist tonight by the way for tatum four turnovers god that's that's that's pretty bad it's ugly so like that's one like if it was the lakers playing them i think we'd be seeing the heat look more like the team full of undraft of free agents because we'd have lebron who can dissect this and hit these shooters and

not be razzled by the double teams but they're playing a team without a playmaker who and it goes the other way too if we saw the Celtics against the nuggets maybe we'd say damn these guys one of the primitive defenders to stay in front of Jason Tainham they can't do so and so and so it just goes to show you that everything is the game of matchups and the Miami heat are just the perfect matchup for the Celtics I think exactly a hundred percent agree and that is why I have a hard time thinking that the Celtics will get away with all the mistakes and while inconsistencies that they make with winning this series at all.

Like, I honestly think it's... Look at you. I'm very surprised that both of you guys are on the heat. Oh, I didn't say I'm picking the heat to win the series. Well, I'm picking. I'm picking the heat. Who are you picking? I'm kidding. I don't know.

I'll pick the heat for now. From what we've seen in game one and what makes sense for now. Make a pitch. You're such a cop out. No, I don't know. I'm not even saying that the cop out. I'll pick the heat for now,

but I'm not confident because these are two teams that I like to doubt at every corner turn but they both just like win like the Celtics were

in the finals for reason the last series we were talking shit about the Celtics being consistent they decimated the 76 years in game seven

like that is that is that is more exactly exactly that is more because of them eh yeah

the Celtics also had an amazing game plan that focused on the weaknesses of both of stars and played into that and they melted down because of the defense too

but I'm not even that's not in the point I'm saying to say is that these are two teams that are kind of up and down and when they're up they're really fucking hard to beat and when they're down they look very mortal so I won't be shocked if game two we come out and we see the Celtics blow them out and we're like oh fuck now we found stupid

like it's just gonna be such an up and down series I don't feel confident any prediction but you gotta go to the heat for now yeah I don't feel confident with my prediction of the Miami Heat well actually not screw that I do feel confident, but, like, the up and down, like you're saying, is, like, very real, of course. You're relying on a bunch of role players, like Caleb Martin hitting, what, three out of whatever threes that he shot and made tonight.

You're relying on Kyle Lowry to continuously be this offensive jolt off of the bench. And you're also, like, relying on bam out of bio to steadily be aggressive, too, which has, like, been so shaky. and that's honestly like an X factor. I don't want to say the X factor. It might be the X factor. I haven't really thought about it yet. But like his aggressiveness is so important. He should be the best big in this series by far.

I think he is. He showed that tonight. And so there's just, I just, I just feel comfortable with Jimmy Buller and Eric Bolshe being the head of my team and smoothing things out and catching the Celtics in the most vulnerable moments like tonight, for example. Yeah, I can't blame me It's just like you said When we say the Celtics are inconsistent

That means they're not always at their best But sometimes they're at their best When they're at their best They're damn near impossible to beat So I just don't know how I can feel confident Any prediction in the series I can't even feel confident Anything involving the Celtics really

It's never know what you're going to get from them And that's why I can't say That is true Yeah, it's not a good thing at all Yeah That is true That is true But I think

their time has come that is my prediction when it comes to this series you can get away with all these inconsistency season not being trustable but against this team

with the way they've been playing on a consistent basis with Gabe Vinton and all them boys I don't think you're gonna get away with this one pal yeah not the series either way

we're in for two really great series in these conference finals phenomenal I think we should pivot a little bit away from these series and talk about the biggest story of yesterday

the NBA draft lottery finally happened and after months and months of thinking where is the most hype prospects since the braon going to go we now know that victor win bianana is going to be a san antonio spur hooray he's awesome mad i'm sorry i feel about this san antonia like listen shout out shout out to the spurs you get another great big in your history i think pops are going to stay around i'm very interested just to see, I just want to see how good, I want to know how good Wembe is going to be off for it.

That's the only, that's the only thing I'm concerned of. The Spurs, and they're not going to be a great team next year. They still have, they are still missing a million pieces, right, in terms of building something for the future.

They need a couple more foundational pieces. They've been in kind of just like this tankathon, no man's land since the whole Kauai Leonard, you know, went away. But shout out to them, right? The league saved them from being,

on the brink of complete irrelevance so they have wemby and so it should be no let's let's let's put the let's put some respect on their name shout out to them for going ahead and shipping away dejante mary and getting the absolute most in the perfect time instead of being an indecisive organization like we see with plenty of teams shout out the spurs for fleecing the alana hawks and having it pay off i almost hung up this phone call but anyways like i was saying I think they're in a fantastic spot. This is literally, like, storybook, NBA scriptwriters, like, again, like, they're in their absolute duffy right now, you know?

Having Jeremy Sohan, Devin Vassell, I don't know what their guard play is going to be, or their point guard play is going to be necessarily looking like, but they have, they already have, like, good pieces that you envision and you want around Victor Wenyama is just all about, like, how good is he going to be in the NBA? what type of how i i'm scared i'm not scared i'm slightly disappointed that it's the spurs because like they're not going to let him play let him cook basketball like he's going to be forced to play the right way he's like he might not put up crazy numbers i don't know it could be wrong but just going by like the spurs crazy numbers anyway i hope i hope i hope i want to see

i was uh i was disappointed at first i was going to it i was like anybody but the fucking spurs please yeah i find The Spurs is so boring. I was praying on their downfall. And I wanted to go to Detroit. So when I saw Detroit fell from the best odds to number five, I was ready to throw up. I wanted Cade with Wembe so fucking bad.

And like I said, I want anybody with Spurs. I want to seem with Lamello, maybe with Dame, with the Rockets Corps. And then we got the Spurs. Him and Kelton Johnson. Yuck. But, but I've talked myself into it in the past day. I finally gave the spurs that is respect they deserve. I look at the roster up and down, and I said,

okay, I power forward. They have Jeremy Sohan, a really talented playmaker who's going to be weirdly versatile and a very unique player. Just having that with Wembe, who's the perfect player to play with a four who can playmake and not shoot that well. That's the perfect player who put next to him. Kelton Johnson is Kelton Johnson, whatever. Vesel is a really talented two who has some skills

that I think will develop into a really high-level starter. Not a star, but a good starter. Trey Jones is probably ideally your backup point guard. But he's a good, he's Tyos Jones light. There's nothing wrong with that. I think they eventually have to find a dynamic guard to star next to him, but for year one, starting with that core around him, that's going to be a respectable team. And it's great for his development as well.

I don't think, I think when it comes to a lot of NBA teams and how they drafted or whatnot, a lot of teams aren't positioned perfectly to have, like, a great team around their young, quote, co-star to help amplify all their skills or whatnot and when it comes to wemby like this is the perfect team now i ain't a lie you said you wanted him in detroit next decade i wanted him in charlotte next that other licekin dude and alongside like p j washington and okay that doesn't move anybody for real i just wanted to see him next to lamello to be honest bro because i'm all going to be out of there soon and this team is quite literally going to be in the dumps and you can trust any other team in the nb a other than the charlotte hornets in the minors in the miss

mismanagement that's been constantly going over there but it is what it is who cares they're in a great spot regardless they got this could be a good chance to talk about number two uh number two overall pick and we'll see what the hell they want to do with that they're a suspect organization but they're going back to they're getting Scoot they're getting Scoot Henderson I hope they should get scoot but I feel like they're going to pick Brandon Miller and passive on Scoot because they're drafting for fit which is dumb as a hell whenever you have school Henderson on the board and you have nobody but Lamello on your roster like at that point

of the draft and that point of your rebuild you have to pick best player available and just aim for the stars and I don't think they're going to do it I think they're going to pick Brandon Miller I I refuse to believe that they are that that stupid no they're bad mix Mitch cup check is not a good GM oh he's speaking from experience he said as if he had nightmares tell us about it he was a he was a Lakers GM for a while not good and yeah this one of the Charlotte Hornets known well on the draft besides Lamello in the past eight years silence I Miles bridges I guess they found that rapper somewhere in the draft but

some great choice that we can't talk about him we can't talk about yeah I know I'm losing that name out as you should I don't trust them at all Portland three is interesting they're actually rumored to be trading shopping that pick and probably gonna trade it to win now around dame which i don't think anybody wants to see that happen but they're stupid so we'll see what that happens car anthony towns welcome to the portland trailblazers i wouldn't hate that i honestly i think i see it i see it happening i don't see why the minnesota timbrewls would not do this and just hone in on like you already know anthony edwards is your guy at that point get over the

wave of disappointment that you've created around car anthony towns and just move on to the next chapter As for the Blazers, do I think that this will fix them? No. Will this make them slightly better? Sure. And that's all they should be looking for right now. This is just more so like... You say, Kat.

No, what I see? I see Pascal Seacom for the number three overall pick. I love it, too. That makes complete sense. But Maasai Ujiri, he's stingy, though. And I don't know what's over there. Each other for Yacoboto, bro, like, and he gave him a first round pick. I don't trust him to make any moves.

You're right. He's kind of washed. He's playing... He's... He has, like, CTE going on right now, so I don't know, like, if he's actually going to make the right moves happen. So, yeah, man. Look, the Rockets at 4, they're going to get, is it Amon or a men? How do you say his name?

There's a Sarr and then Amon. Okay, Amen. They'll probably get Amin Thompson at 4, unless Scoot somehow falls, but I doubt it. Dude, the Rockets are shit. Fuck that team. Detroit at 5, they'll probably get Walker, that power forward. put next to Duren, that would be cool, I guess. I feel bad for them.

But winning 17 games and falling to five, that's tough. Yeah, this just screws them up completely. Like, I feel like after, once you get to three, like, everyone's draft, like, the top players available aren't, like, seamless fits or, like, ideal fits for, like, any of these teams. So I expect... This is a really deep draft, though. Yeah, but I... Yeah, with that being said, though, I do still expect, like, a lot of movement happening.

like I know the Orlando Magic have to be absolutely feigning and they're hoping that like the Charlotte Hornets pull like a dumbass move and like somehow want to accept a trade from the Orlando Magic with all the assets that they have. Listen, the magic are getting the second overall pick for Window Carter Jr. I hope. Like that's happening. Ooh, that'd be cool.

That would the magic into the two-wing and scoot with that? Scoot with Palo and Franz. God. They're doing it. That would be hard. They're good at all. I hope that happens. yeah that makes me dope

that makes he slightly sad for marco false because he was actually snapping um but the story's cute but we have to play serious now he'll be fine in charlotte like who is fine in charlotte

would he really i don't know if he will be he'll be fine unlike the jazz or something he'll go somewhere and get some minutes and be good but doesn't got to be with the magic yeah exactly yeah man the rest of the rest of the lottery room pretty chalk the jazz i mean the maver

Average kept their pick. They fell in the top 10, thank God. They didn't lose it. Oh, Frangar, you're a Knicks, man. But we're going to have a lot of time to talk about this draft. Overall, I just want to get you guys as a first impression on when you're going to the Spurs. I think the general content is here is good for him, good for the Spurs. Not the most exciting, but it'll be good for his development.

Yeah, good for the development in the NBA Skrip riders. Like, I trust him out of all the teams that were destined to be in the lottery, obviously. like the spurs are easy like one of the most trustworthy organizations if not the most trustworthy organization in the NBA when it comes to not mismanaging for the most part talent so I think they're fine yeah I love it all right let's let's let's do a quick transition before we get to TikTok time we have to talk about the elephant in the room what completely forgot to mention earlier we got to talk about fucking John Morant man oh I forgot about him me too if I didn't look at our show run down right now I would I forgot about him because

And there's nothing to do a basketball. And I'd rather not be talking about him, but we have to because one of the league's brightest stars has continued to be one of the league's biggest idiots and try his hardest to speed run a career. Yeah. And it's insane, man. The first time this happened, yeah, like, I will finish your sense for you, might be, but for those who are out of the loop, this dude, John Morant went ahead and flashed a gun and his friend's Instagram live. This time it wasn't his Instagram thing. Yeah, again. Um, this time it wasn't his Instagram actual account, but it was his friends.

And the second that it was posted up, the Instagram account only had like a hundred and 12 or 15 people in it. But the internet is the internet. I got out everywhere. Digital footprints are real. They are real people. Exactly. Exactly. You know?

And the first time this happened, I don't think we spoke on it virtually like at all. I said Goots on the podcast one time. Just won't let that. What? You said Goots on the podcast one time. Oh. Digital footprint. Okay.

Listen, we're trying to talk about something real here, okay? Okay, we're trying to talk about something real. We're trying to talk about some real black man struggles, okay? You just interrupted me, talking about some gouges. Thank you, both. Let's send him this conversation. A young brother is in trouble, and he's crying out for help on the internet. John Morant is playing with guns on the internet.

And, like, for real, for him, he's like, this is the second time. And you would think that after the first time, even for his own safety, right? Because, like, the fact that he got in trouble, the only thing that, that for me that I thought would happen is that Josh, like, okay, like, I'm still going to move the way that I move. I'm just not going to be on Instagram Live. The fact that any time the Instagram Live comes off, he's like, hey, it's show and tell you guys want to see what I have. And he just, like, wants to show the fact that he, like, has a gun. And it's just, it's crazy because, and a lot of people have made this point in that I, like, one, he probably, he most likely got left off off of all NBA teams because of everything that happened, right? And a lot of people, their view of Jha and Jha season and the way that he affected his team was very, very negative because he was out here playing with a gun in Denver.

and then after not only on the on like the money side but playing playing there's already been this entire like persona about job the fact that he like wants to show that he's from a certain you know he's cut he cut from a certain clock call it what it is he wants to be hood really really badly he wants you to know that he's hood he's done that there was the laser pointed incident there was the there was the incident of him showing the gun to the 17 year old in a pick of basketball game he ran up on a on a finish line uh customer like there's all these things that he keeps doing because he wants to be because he wants to be hood and it's like fam do you not understand like what you're doing like there's that you are an NBA player

on the precipice of making 250 million dollars there's that and you are in Memphis Tennessee and you are out here showing people like oh yeah I have it on me which is just inviting people to to come at you you're all people know where job moran is going to be from october to april they know his entire schedule you are already a target the moment you you signed a contract and the fact that you are out here comporting yourself the way that you are is idiotic and it's it's very very stupid and i i and for his sake he just has to stop yeah it's nothing good and that that's what happens when you go to counseling for two days this is Ben Went to Counselment on a Monday

Reportedly and checked out on a Wednesday Everybody knew nothing happened. Nothing happened. Something that has to be said is like You know, we could say this is him being stupid Which he didn't is and all that But there's like some serious underlying issues That's happening with him psychologically And like within his circle

Because prior to his like pre-draft synopsis And out and at an analyst like no one sniffed out any of this we know how slimy and dirty these NFL these NBA scouts are and how they dig up any piece of information they would tell you if they would know if you cheated on your whole your like math test in fifth grade bro they're just that deep in the weaves with everything and for nothing to be like to nothing to happen in this rookie of the rookie year second year and third year now all this is happening out of the blue after showing no real consistency at all no no real track record of being a bastard all this happening

around the same time that's a red flag what is going on what would you call him that because this is bastard activity like you are literally what people would die kill to be in a position what he is right now he's hooping for a living you know you're dunking on people for a living you know what The problem is, too, it's, like you're saying, apparently there was no sign of him being this beforehand, and it's just like, why, he's just like playing into this typical stereotype of athletes wanting to be rappers and just like feeling like now that he's in this position of fame and notoriety and he has this money that he has to live a certain lifestyle, he has to be a young boy. When he absolutely does not, there's nothing in the world that says he has to be a young boy, but he feels that internally, it seems like. and after the first one I want to give him a lot of slack and be like people make mistakes

he's a young guy who has come into fame and fortune it's hard to deal with that there's outside influences that are not easy to separate yourself from as you come into money and I lot of people share that sentiment right they were like maybe there's influences around him

that he needs to be mature about and separate himself from and figure out what is important for him but at a certain point I think Bumani Jones was saying this that at a certain point maybe he's the bad influence like you can only give somebody

so many chances and assuming it's because of others when people will show you who they are and you have to listen to them eventually and to do it this fast after the controversy that could have cost him

insane amounts of money it did cost him a lot of money at the moment but could have like ruined his career and he got away from it and looked like he was in the up and up to do it again in the exact same fashion not even six months later

that might be be this type of sign you need to see from somebody to stop giving them benefit of the doubt. Damn. A hundred percent. And it's like his friend was the one who put the phone down once he saw, once he turned over, because his friend was driving, once he turned over

and was like, the guns out, what is happening? Bro, bro, bro, bro. They weren't driving. They were in a driveway. They were stationary getting lit in their car. And John was just like, eh. For what?

For what? Demons are different, bro. And there, and again, and there's several videos of him just, just walking around with a bottle of Cosamigos, taking it, you know, just taking mad shots of it like it's juice and it's like. Facing it like it's water, bro. Damn. Yeah. And it's just, it's, it's a lot of very just weird, weird and scary behavior from Jai. Hopefully, whatever needs to happen to get him like on the, on the right path happens.

But it's a very, it's a bad situation for Jada being. It's a bad situation for the Grizzlies. It's a bad situation for everybody, for the league involved. To have one of the best, you know, rising stars, one of the best young stars in the game doing this. Let's look real quick. We should talk about why it's a big deal, like, in general, because I think especially from like our people,

we have a very young audience. And on a serious note, a lot of them will see this and be like he didn't commit a crime only a gun is okay you're allowed to have a gun it's probably maybe it's licensed like there's nothing wrong with that we got to talk about the difference between just like being a gun owner

and being a marketable NBA star face of a league face of a billion dollar corporation and acting treating a gun like it's an accessory like it's a toy and glorifying guns in a way that makes it seem casual

like everybody should just have one because it's cool there's a huge difference there the NBA is easily like arguably it's one of the two most influential sports and just things on the planet

point blank period you ever see a random white kid doing the gritty on TikTok that is because of John Morant and nobody else he's the one who went ahead and like helped popularize the entire thing and the NBA is just like the best sport when it comes

to it being all about the player of course and also like who the player is like we play into personalities and tendencies so much Kawhi Leonard and guys like Kawhi Leonard like he's known for just being quiet you know and like everyone

runs with that and that's his stick that's his thing you know and LeBron James he has memes for days like a new LeBron meme comes out at least once every month you know and for someone like Jod to do things like this does nothing but

influence and make other people like their young audiences and everybody think that this is just okay you know and that's why it should be like shunned upon as hard it is yeah you didn't shoot or kill anybody or anything like that but things who's to say that things will not ever get to that point god forbid that happens you like that but point blank period like you're you're messing with the psyche of like the youth and stuff like that you know and it's not even you're saying god forbid ever gets that point where he actually does something with the guns that's not even the point he can never do anything with it it can have no bullets in it and he's just waving around because it's cool that's the issue

right there is that he's promoting the glorification of a certain lifestyle to an audience that will emulate that and who is not from that lifestyle and has no reason to be glorifying that lifestyle themselves when ellen iverson was at his peak the most influential player he little white kids were wearing arm sleeves having a fake braids tattoo sleeves like all this shit like the most influential stars you will see children around the country want to be like them mama mentality influence an entire generation of young kids. Jaw is not that level, but in terms of popularity among young stars,

he is as high as a guy. Top five, easily. Top one, probably. He had the opportunity to be the most marketable player in the NBA, potentially. So, like, you cannot understate how much influence he has with the generation. So really, it's not even about

did he do a crime. It's what type of image is he given across and what type of lifestyle is he showing these kids is cool. Point. And people are going to be like, nobody hates rappers who are doing this, but it's different when you're an athlete and when you're rapper. He clearly is trying to merge these two worlds, but the image of what a rapper represents is very different from what an athlete represents and how kind of influence they have on realistically to the people that watch your product. Exactly.

You literally quite literally hit it on the money, you know, and now like if I'm a grisies fan, you can't feel nothing but utterly sick to your stomach because what are you supposed to do? how can this how can you continue to trust someone who lied to your face not even like a whole year from now just like two three months or whatever it must have been and so this just causes so much issues and if i'm like the memphis grisleys i don't want to like think of trade possibilities or whatnot but you think of a back-up plan just in case something happens again because like eli do you once he like oh he lied do you once already who's to say he won't do it again for sure yeah yeah because maybe you're not at the point yet where you got to think about like what am i going to do but you got to be thinking like can i trust this guy long term whatever that

looks like for the people in the front office they have a better feel for it than we do but as soon as it happened they came out and said john morant suspended from team activities there ain't no fucking team activities going on right now they said that to make it clear that they're sending a message that we are not cool with this we're not condoning this we are sick of this shit that message is loud and clear, so clearly there's whether it just be these two incidents or things Jaws has done in the way he conducts himself around these, they clearly

are not even trying to pretend that they're being, you know, open to allowing him to go through this. They're clearly putting down the hammer, this is not okay. I know how to fix John Moran. Send that man to the Utah Jazz. No holes, no drinks,

nothing but mountains and cold weather. He would be the most dangerous in Utah. I'm letting you know that right now. Nothing around him. Nothing around him. He would be, the club would be at his house. Okay. He was most wanted.

Okay. He would be the most dangerous. When you are, when you are bored, you are the most dangerous. And so, like, Utah, Utah can't be the case for him. So are you saying send him to Miami or L.A.? Like, just go the opposite way? I mean, listen, that's bad, too. Memphis is, he needs to be somewhere, like, he needs to be somewhere like Dallas or somewhere, somewhere, like, like,

Houston like a big big city enough but not like a state that allows guns the most okay I guess I guess that's true I'm trying I'm just thinking about in scared I don't you mean I think about it yeah listen before aside aside from job and before we get to TikTok time there's been something that I have been dying to talk about can we please in in guys I don't even know the word can we put some slander into this episode real quick before we get into TikTok that's some more negativity to it let's get it please are you talking about who i think you're talking about yes you are we need to talk about how embarrassing and disgraceful joel and bide and james hardin played in game seven against the celtics because they are out right we talked about the celtics being

being uh in the east of conference finals that came because they destroyed the sixers in game seven james hardin and joel and bide combined for what let me see this 24 points on eight of 29 shooting from the field They sucked They they They suck James Hardin Pulled a James Hardin as he always does Joel Embed

Showed that his MVP Was the most fraudulent MVP In all of NBA history And we Listen we rank We rank Joelle and Beade's MVP season as like a C tier That's a D tier after this

I can't I can't I can't respect anything that that organization does And it got the coach fired This there's nothing good. They suck. This man will go ready to hate. Doc Rivers should have been fired, so I'm not going to say you implied that they suck so

bad. I got their coach fired. Doc Rivers didn't help yourself. Doc Rivers is a crap coach. He's been coasting off of one title 15 years ago. It was about the end time he got chopped. But it comes out two things, right? Joelle Embed and James Hardin both played like shit. At this point, I don't even feel the pile in on James Harding. He is who he showed as he is. No, no, no, no, no, no. We are going to pile on, and I need an apology.

from YouTube because after the first thing y'all were like oh why don't you go and apologize to james hardin he dropped 45 shut up i told y'all exactly what was going to happen i told y'all two weeks ago that this is who this man was i didn't believe him's hardin yeah this is who he is you're 100% right

james hardin is the guy that he'll have his best playoff performance of his career have another good game two okay games but for piss poor games where he forgets how to play basketball his game turns into insurance fraud he doesn't know how to do anything right that's who he is he just he showed us that time and time again he's not even as good as he used to be that's fine

I don't even care anymore that's who he is we will go forward knowing James Hardin is this guy what I do care about and what we do need to conversate about is Joel M. Bid is damn near the same guy every year every single year he does not get past the second round and most of the time it is not entirely his fault but he's not doing shit to elevate his team and make up for the other problems you could see

say it's because he's always injured and this year he had the MCL sprain which we don't know how much it hampered him but well he's always injured it's the same thing we do with chris paul we know he's going to be injured so at a certain point you got to bake that into your evaluation he's not going to be healthy for a playoff run and so he's going to be crap for a playoff it's almost guaranteed and i think we mentioned in the stream yesterday on ticot this year he had 33 points per game in the playoffs i mean in the regular season and in the playoffs it was 23 points per game a 10 point drop off that is the biggest drop off of points for game from any star in NBA history.

The second biggest drop off in NBA history, last year's Joel Embed. He is now, unequivocally, one of the biggest playoff droppers in NBA history alongside James Hardin. That is what happens. That is what happens when your game is also based on insurance fraud, right? Joell's game is based on him getting to the free throw line 12, 13 times a game, doing the stupid rip-through 15 million times. And guess what?

in the playoffs when people when defenses are better when they're going to send the double and apparently Joel and B hasn't learned anything over the last three years because they've been sending double teams every single playoff series

and he has not watched the film once because he doesn't know what to do when the double comes and he doesn't know he can't get he can't get to the free throw line he can't pass out of the double team he's shooting five for 18 he's getting locked up by Al Horford

he's getting locked up by Al Horford for years in a row damn ridiculous this is ridiculous and the complicated part is to give him some benefit for the doubt forgive him any

this is also the Celtics who did this to Katie last year pissed on Katie's grave swept him out of the first round and now he did his Joel and Bede clearly the Celtics

are incredible at exploiting star scores who aren't very good passes they can't do that to Jimmy oh okay who aren't good passes aren't very good passes so like if you're not a good person

who can pass out of doubles they're going to destroy you internally so on one hand okay it's a Celtics This is what they're good at, so give them some credit. But 5 for 18 shooting, it wasn't as simple as just, like, they made him pass and you couldn't do it well. It was just kind of what we were talking about with the Celtics versus the heat, where the game moved at such a speed and such a complicatedness of the defense, he couldn't, you know, dissect it.

He likes to hold the ball a lot and stand in his high post position, sitting there jabbing, figuring out what defense is doing, and by the time he's ready to make his move, there's eight seconds left on the shot clock, you can do. do that in the regular season. Most often than not, it'll work because you'll make your shots and you'll hit the basic passes. You cannot do that against the Celtics. At that point, you end up having these terrible possessions where you're taking awful mid-range shots or throwing the ball to James Harden to shit himself and do James Hardin things. It's not going to work out for this duo ever. This is unforgivable. And I am happy that everyone now across the brightest lights sees the light in terms of just like, Yokits versus MB and stuff like that. And I've always Isaac's always, and I'm pretty sure, Donovan, you've always felt like it's always been yoked

in terms of being the best center in the NBA, and it's for reasons like these, you know? And B's going to be, he's 29 years old at the end of next season, he's going to be 30 years old. You're 29, you haven't been past the second round, dude. Grow up. Grow up. Please mature. Get to the conference finals. Come on.

And what grinds, what irritates me the most out of this entire situation is like, okay. you have a crap or whatever cool like it's known to be happening this is your reputation but after the game you go out in a press conference and you say me and james hardin can't do this alone we need players to show up bitch you're the players what are you mean you are players it's you too p j tucker went out played his hard out scored like 11 points to your 15 that ratio was crazy what are we talking about 11 points Yeah, for PJ Tucker, he shot three. He made three, shout out to you.

He made four of a goals. You're done. You're done. Tyrese Maxi, sure he didn't have the greatest game. I think he only scored like 11 or some points. But like, we like Tyrese was your moment. So much that we're just going to let him pass for like, for not having a great series, right? Because he also wasn't great.

He's a role player. Roleplayer is no consistent sometimes against great defenses. He doesn't have the expectations that James Hardin and Joel them be that. No, no, but like Maxie's two of six from three for the, you know, he also didn't have like a great, he shot 42% from the field. Like it's not like, it's hard to be real good when your two good players are leading shit offense and not getting anything moving and allowing you to cook. And pounding the hell out of the ball, doing this, just throw it to you at random signs and expect you to like, hey, like make some shit happen out of nothing. Like it's hard. That's not naturally him, you know.

He's a very specific type of player and you have to put them in a specific system to make things work. Or at least like a freelance system in the Philadelphia 76ers are not, they're not like really freelance whatsoever. So this is just a tough series. Well, listen. Shout out to Tyreys Maxie and on that. But, well, listen, we, we have one more year of Joelle and B. Like, next year, Joel is probably going to get a pass because it's just going to be him

and Tyrease Maxie because James Hart is coming back to Houston. He's like, listen, I gave it, he's like, listen, I gave a $15 million to try and win something. We got bouncing the second round, which I said was going to happen from the start of the season. But he gave up that money. And at this point, he's like, guys, I just want to have fun. I just want to live my life and do what I do. So he's going to come back to Houston and probably finish his career here. Yeah.

He declined his player option yesterday and is now an understricted free agent. Word on the street is, according to Chris Haynes, he wants a four-year contract, wherever that may be. Everyone knows his eyes on Houston. Apparently he's also interested in the Sons, which if they go that route, Jesus Christ, but he's clearly not super committed to the 76ers which he verbally was in the media last year. So if I was a sixers fan

Yeah, I would fully expect him to leave if I was a sixers fan. Yeah, if you're James Hardin, like, why would you go back? Like, I think this was the easy, not the easiest, but the clearest chance and route they've had to win in a long time, especially for James Hardin, the West, dealing with all that crazy shit. And then, of course, she went through injuries when he was

with the Brooklyn Nets. This was the time. This was your time to shine. You have two chances to win alongside the MVP and Doc Rivers and all those guys. And you go like this, you're never getting an opportunity like this ever again.

They're cooked. Yeah, exactly. And if he does go back to Houston, like you said, he's just trying to live his lavish lifestyle and he's going to spend insane money doing the crazy as shit. That's him because he, I promise you this, like, in a few years coming, he's not going to have a chance to win, especially in that division, because you expect the Dallas

Mavericks, at least hopefully, to get things together. The Houston Rockets, I mean, the San Antonio Spurs just got the number one overall picking. You expect them to ramp things up over the next few years. That division is just super hard, and I'm not going to Memphis, and mention the Memphis really, because, of course, there's a whole lot going on there, but assuming and hoping like things go right there they're not going anywhere so this is tough not going well well i don't need let's move on and take that time let's do it yeah i love this negativity though i miss it that was that slander fest yeah as always we start this tick time you guys know we're trying with the draft this time we're going to do a draft of only

players that were drafted in the 2010s so youngish guys okay okay so as well as always get the hook out there let's draft NBA lineups with only players who were drafted in the 2010s who had first pick last time but what would we do last time I cannot remember I think I had first pick last time what was the I mean I think I was third last time I believe oh we did no college I had LeBron first you had Kobe second Mo yeah yeah yeah okay so you're first Mo I'm third Donovan second nice this is one of those ones where I would like to double up. Yeah, I'm fine with wherever I go.

All right, Mo, you got it first pick. Let us know here you got. Did you do the hook? Yep. You did? Damn, my mind, I was sleep. Holy shit. Damn.

I could have swore like, I'm just waiting for that. See you. Okay, cool. Good. First overall pick 20-10s. Give me Janus Sotendacupo. Over to Cole, Yokic. Okay.

That is, that is fine. My first pick, I'm taking Yokic. Okay. I feel like I love that one up. All right. For me, shot yourself in a foot. I'm going to go ahead.

First off, give me Kauai Leonard. Okay. This is, first off, give me prime Kauai Leonard. Okay, okay. And then to pair with him,

give me Luca Dantzich. I knew you were going to go, I knew you were going to go, I knew you were going to go to. Got the playmaking and the scoring God. I need it. All right. We got to do this.

Um, all right we're going to start off big give me anthony davis oh that's a good pick wow i thought about him versus luka it's a good pick that's a great pick okay go ahead i'm gonna go ahead and uh give me yeah go ahead give me for the fit i absolutely needed clay thompson Okay. Okay. And then on top of clay. He's cooking something.

Yeah, on top of clay. Give me Jason Tatum. Oh, I was hoping he fell to me. That's a good fit. Okay. I like that. You got two wings. I can shoot really well next to the best perimeter.

Next to the best interior score. That's hard. Yeah. I need it. Okay. Okay. Okay. I see that.

Don't fold it. All right. I want a wing right now after I got my bigs. Give me Paul George. Nothing great pick Let us it We got to run on wings here Okay

I need to get a big now Before the last good ones go Give me Joelle and Bede That's good Trash He just got exposed But I need him And so what now I have a 1 3 and a 5

This is This goes some interesting ways I'm gonna Who's my I have Kauai I probably need a good shooter here Give me Devin Booker at the two. Ooh, that's, that's good.

That was my next pick. I got straight killers in every position. That was my next pick. Okay, okay, okay. You're a complicated spot now. Okay, this is, this is a tough decision at my two. But I'm going to play this guy. I'm going to play this guy off ball because I think he can be a little bit of

combo guard. Give me Mr. World B. Flat. Give me Kyrie Irving. Okay. I don't hate that.

Yeah. You don't hate it, but I do. Give me Damian Lillard for my point guard and then... Great big. And then,

so I got Dame, Clay, Tatum, Janus. My team is fucking nasty. It seems nasty. Yeah, it's literally disgusting.

So in front of Janus, who do I want to play? Lace Yeah, this is the hardest part for you Because all the good bigs are gone Yeah, exactly. This is definitely the hardest part

For me right now Can I offer you one Carl Anthony Towns? Fuck, no, you couldn't offer me anything. You couldn't offer me anything. So what I'm going to go ahead and do Is, Damn, this is hard Because like, you got Yokic, you got a bead,

and now it's like, If you take my last pick, I'm going to scream. I'm not going to take your last pick. I'm going to give your last pick to you and pick someone who's even better. Give me at my five, Pascal Seacom. Okay. Interesting fit. Solid fit.

Super versatile. Okay, here we go. I have a decision to make. I don't know who I want. now what position you need a guard okay just good options there's a lot good options exactly that that's what makes it tough okay I'm gonna okay here's what I'm gonna do we're gonna slide Kyrie down to the one and we're going to we're gonna slide Kyrie down to the one we're gonna slide Paul George to the two or am I are you

gonna take them whatever I am I am give me Jalen Brown oh I thought I said jimmy butler no oh i forgot jimmy butler was 2011 damn that 2011 draft class was stupid bro gas oh do i take him so i could either pick jaron jackson and get a defender in there because i have enough ball handlers or i can double down just get another killer and get jimmy butler

oh oh what do i do be lame if it was me i'll just take I'll just take John Wall Let's Prime John Wall Nashton John Wall

What? Dougie John Wall? What? Listen, I could take Jimmy Butler here and get another great ball handler But I have enough ball handlers

Give me Jaron Jackson To round out my lineup I need a guy Who doesn't need the ball In his hands I like it This is a great draft This is a great draft

Why Jaron and Bede And nobody's scoring on me Let's list the teams Yeah, I have Luca Donchich, Devin Booker, Kauai Leonard, Jaron Jackson, Jr., and Joelle and Bede. Okay, that's a nice team. I have Kyrie Irving, Paul George, Jalen Brown, Anthony Davis, Nicola Yokic. That team is, a D. Yolkich combo is ridiculous. Listen, 2 to 4 locked up.

I think I have the best one, two, and three on these lists. So I have Damian Lillard Clay Thompson Who else did I Holy shit Jason Tatum Yeah

Damila Clay Thompson Jason Tatum Janis and then Pascal Seaccom My fit is super interesting And I don't think There's a real pinpoint

weakness on my team I mean I have everything you want to ask for The weakness The weakness is the five And it's just because you don't have Embedder or Yokic

But I mean Your team is not You have Yonis though So, like, your team is nice. Yeah. I got the best point guard. I got the best shooting guard. I got the best small forward.

Second best center. And then four, I went fit. I like my chances. But how's the fit work, though? Realistically speaking, that's the thing. That's a big thing. I don't know. Let's let's say to come aside that.

My fit is immaculate. I love my draft. Okay. Next thing we're going to do, we're going to do something we did about a month ago. You're going to tell me which NBA player's nickname this is. I'm gonna give you two options and you gotta tell me who it is

Okay I think I'm more prepared For this one Yeah I've done no reason I've done no research I've done no research I'm purely reading your vibes

Okay Which NBA player's nickname is this True Warrior Is this Jokine Noah Or Ron our test I feel like this is joekeem And I have to say True is spelled T-R-U

Like he's two chains Oh okay Now that's wrong That's wrong That's all Yeah, he was a rapper. That's Ron. That's Ron.

Yeah. Easy. That was an easy giveaway. Only he's a maniac like that. This is the Pandas friend. This is Meta World Peace. Nah, that man is ridiculous. Shout to Ron.

He made the hardest NBA songs out there, bro. Champion? Crazy. Dropped it after championship, too? Oh, my goodness. Legendary. Had the iPod Nano going crazy. And next one, sub-zero.

Is this Damien Lillard or Gilbert Arenas? Oh, that's Gilbert Arena. That's Gilbert. Yeah, that's Gilbert arenas. Because, well, he could be throwing us off because the number zero, age and zero, but. I mean, they're both zero. They're both zero. But like.

Yeah, but I think, I think Gilbert was more recognizable for that. Not recognizable, but that's more of a more so part of his thing, you know? Yeah. Yeah, that's true. This is Damien Lillard's nickname. Who call him that? I've never heard anyone call him that. Listen, basketball reference does not lie.

On fire their intern. I think the nickname department needs revamping. That might be the worst thing on the site. Yeah. Next one. Bean burrito. Is this Nick Young or Ricky Rubio? That sounds so racist.

Nah. Who's doing this? I'm not getting cancer. This is Nick Young. Yeah, let's say Nick Young. I can't do this. Ricky Rue is not Mexican. He's from Spain.

It's not racist. I know, but the correlation is still there out of the two. They eat beans and burritos everywhere. I promise you. Okay. This is Nick Young's nickname. Yeah, yo, that is crazy. He tried to get us.

You try to set us out. Okay. Trying to cancel us in our own show? Crazy. And next one, the buffet of goodness. Is this Nicola Yolkich or Channing Fry? It's probably the buffet of goodness. It sounds like Channing Fry, to be honest.

That's a lame nickname, so I'm going to give it to Channing Fry. Damn. The buffet of goodness. What does that mean? I feel like you should be a nice round player like Nicola Yokic in order to receive a nickname like that, who does extraordinary stuff out there on the court. But, bro, that's easily Channing Fry. He are not fooling anyone.

This is chatting fry. Thank you. I need to know the origin of that. Me too. Somebody tell us in the comments. Was he like that back in the day? In order to receive that nickname? He never liked that.

And next one, the rooster. Is this Danilo Gallinari or Danny Green? Oh, I know this. Who is it? Who do you think? It's Danilo Galani. Okay. That's what I was going to go with.

Gallo! why why my bad i didn't hear you he had a he had a little like mohawk moment going there for a second his hair was kind of crazy that's why that's the only reason why this is this is the new galena r thank you yeah mentioned that mohawk that was easily one of the nastiest haircuts that the NBA has seen over the last five 10 years easy Okay. Last one. Batman. This is Paul George or Janus? I feel like Paul George thinks of himself as a superhero, so he probably calls himself Batman. So I'll give it to Paul George.

Yeah, I agree. This has to be Paul George. This don't fit Janus in his personality whatsoever. This is definitely Paul George. Yeah, this is the nickname of somebody who cracks dad jokes. This is Paul Jordan's nickname. Yeah, exactly. That sounds too serious. Okay, that's great That's all the nicknames I got Fire

Next thing we're going to do We're going to do something else That's become a staple of ours We're going to do a tier list And this time we're going to run back Something we did Another one we did about a month ago We did a shoe tier list

And you guys loved it Oh, lits So we're going to do that again Oh, Lord So I have a whole new fresh batch Of NBA shoes for you I already put them on there Yeah

I didn't put the new Ant Mans No, you need to I told him We should be breaking news So good guys Remember this is purely based off of the looks People like the comment and be like

Y'all not Hoopers These have the best friction in the market Shut up Shut up You dweeb We don't care about We all about things that don't matter On this podcast

What is wrong with you? We're talking about drip and drip alone I don't get a fuck about any of that This is dripper drowned Over here All right. Let's put these NBA shoes into a tier list. First off, iconic cement threes.

10 out of 10. 10. 10 out of 10. 10. 10 out of 10. 10. 10. S.

S. They're classic. These go well with anything. Throw on some cargoes. Throw on some khakis. Throw on some light wash jeans. These are versatile. Versatile.

Are you kidding me? Yeah, these are one of the few basketball shoes that look good with any outfit. Yeah. They look like lifestyle shoes. Facts, exactly. Rotational. Key rotational piece.

You need it. It's foundational. All right, next one. The PG-1s. Let me see what you. I'll go first. I love these shoes. That strap in the middle

when it first came on in the scene back in my 2017. I conic. Hard. Hard as hell. The whole PG line is good, but I think they peaked with the first ones. I'll give these eight.

They can't be S. They're not as good as some. meant threes. Yeah, they're not like all-time classics. Yeah, exactly. That's because it's a performance show, but for a performance shoot, this is damn near an all-time classic in my mind. You may not think so because it's

Paul George and he's not an all-time player, you know? But these shoes, one of the greatest things to happen in his NBA career, easily. In 50 years from now, you may not remember him as a player, but you definitely remember these shoes. Easy. Listen, we've seen

Paul George's playoff accomplishments. This is the best thing he's contributed to the NBA. Thank you. Absolutely. He blessed all of us. A tier. All right. Next up, these Janus freak twos, or these freak fours?

I have no idea. Next up, these Janus's. They're freaky. Perfect. They're freaky for sure. The silhouette's cool. This actual color way is disgusting. Listen, okay.

I know at first glance this color way is giving Nickelodeon kind of gives some the Wiggles vibes but let us sit with you for a couple more seconds it's kind of hard I'm not gonna lie I don't even wear this to an I am game

the whole thing would have this specific shoe in matching jerseys and everything I can't get with it I'm not going to lie I can't get with it this looks like Janus made a donation

to his this looks like Janus made a this looks like Janus gave a care package to the nearest Dunkin Donuts to the Milwaukee Bucks training facility like this is just

the nasty shoe these color weight this colorway the designs don't make any sense bro the shoe's sexy but they fumbled this color way

what's here we're going to one B C B D okay I can like a little bit the silhouette is nice okay

these LeBron South Beach 9s listen you want to talk about something that you can wear with cargo shorts something that you can wear with khakis

this is the one if you had these shoes in 2012 when they dropped you were a middle school celebrity you're right outside y'all were not outside in 2012 when these drops you're so hard to get you don't understand the moment you don't get it yeah these were so hard to get you at least 500 dollars they were incredibly hard to get your hands on

these are up there with like the galaxy foams oh actually not that high but these were these were in these were in Nike basketball shoes were at their peak people were wearing them for fashion purposes can't go back to that time yeah you were absolutely mr. bitches you got all the holes are on that playground so if you were these on your feet absolutely yeah you're one of the ones i was hating on um but in all honesty though like these shoes for back in the day they were great they were remarkable but now looking at them these are hideous what it's this it's more it's it's discombobulated what is going on in this shoe listen i would never wear my jeans these days but i'm a give it an a just for nostalgia that's tough that's tough

we got to be real and I kind of want to give it a B. Donovan? A tier. Let's go. Wow. I guess you were Mr. Bitches back in the day, Donovan. That's the only reason why it makes sense. All right, next one.

These, you can't even laugh. If you can't say it without laughing, F tier. F tier. He's leaning way of way tens. Let me see these. Yeah. Wait. I can't do it

I can't do it I can't do it They make my stomach Turn wrestling shoes What is this? I don't know Do you remember whenever Like

You remember whenever we were younger And you would get bored And you would go on Nike ID And you would just throw colors On the shoe That's what this is That's what this is This is a straight boredom project

These look like These are a Floyd May Where their boxes in These are horrible This is a box A boxing shoe. This is a boxing shoe. Wow. Yeah, this is trash. F tier. Can we go lower than F tier? Sorry. Let's make a new tier for these. Let's make these away tiers. Garbage. Yeah. That's great. That's going to be a good tier list. The next thing. Let's play a game with 20 questions. We haven't done this in like a month and a half. Done dying laughing over there. I haven't done that in a minute. Oh, my God. I'm sorry. Yeah, we have to take questions in a long time.

Dominic can't breathe That was so good I was so good See let's play game 20 questions I'll think of the player Because we haven't done this in a long time

Actually I've been hosting everything Moe you want to think of the player Do I want to think of a player Uh Yeah I just thought of a player But I don't I gotta look up

So stupid I got to look up like Some random thing real quick I got to look up his name real quick Is it hell yeah you guys got to think like out of you guys got to think for real hell of hard okay we didn't know this a long time so I might be rusty all right I'm not gonna do you like that I'm not gonna do you like that who are you gonna do you're gonna do Jared Bayliss

no you're nasty sorry I know who got Jared Baylor sorry I know I don't even know I was in my mind I'm all right I don't even know he was in mind to be honest I don't even know he looks like anymore. Yeah, I know. That was my fault. Okay. You got 20 questions to guess the NBA player I'm thinking of. Is he a current player?

Yes. All right. I'm a guess. I'm a guess real quick. Off the bat. Is this Nasreid? No. He's a current player.

Wait, Nasreed is a current player. I don't know why, but I thought about Nazeer Mohamed when you said that. I don't know what is going on. man yeah not even close yeah he's a current player is he a big man yes

is he an all-star no is he a starter no okay can he shoot he was or at least used to so I'm just going to say

yes a big man who used to shoot did you say is he a starter or not? No. Didn't I ask that? Yeah, you did. He's not.

Oh, not a starter, okay. Not a starter. How many questions that is three? That's six questions. Wow. You're running out of time. Yeah, we fired off. That's fine.

Would you call him a good defender? Yes. Okay. Was he a draft? Well, okay. I'm just going to say yes in general to that question. Okay. Was he drafted after 2010?

uh give me two seconds to research that real quick i think that gives away like a lot of hints and yes wait wait he was drafted actually no he was drafted before 2010 okay okay old guy who can't shoot anymore but used to be able to and he can defend is this sergey baca yes damn let's go yes damn too fucking easy Look at that. Yeah. I don't even need 10 questions. Yeah.

I slipped up when I was like, yeah, he shoot. And then you got me with the defensive thing to him. Yeah, he used to be Sergei block on him. But now he's like clapping his hands on the Milwaukee Bucks bench. So. Let's do another one of these. Let me think of a player name. These are always fun.

Okay. I got it. You got 20 questions. You got 20 questions against the NBA. be a player i'm thinking of all right are they a guard no are they over six five yes have they made an all-star team in their career no i don't think so can they shoot yeah for sure cool they can shoot um were they a power for it no i wouldn't know okay so he's a small for probably donovan Mo, have we asked if they're a current player?

No, are they a current player? He's not currently on a team, no. Mm. So he's like a free agent. Okay. Has he won an NBA championship before? Has he won a championship? Yeah, yeah, he won one back in the day.

Back in the day. Was this player drafted before, or, Was this player drafted after 2000? Yes. Cool. Okay. Was this player drafted before 2010? Yes, he was.

I'm never going to get this, Donovan. I don't like old players. God. Was he a starter? Yes. Is this Trevor Areza? This is Trevor Arisa. That was random.

He threw it out there. how god that's crazy shot the dark and it hit that's crazy yeah I don't know why but you're just the first person

I thought of what it comes is this damn like me in my bag that's crazy well that was wild yeah we hit that's in the money damn

we know too much ball for our own good yeah next video got all those out of here we're gonna do a little more of now we'll see you one less

less goofy shit I'm gonna name an NBA player and you gotta tell me if they've failed, met, or exceeded your expectations for them. Okay. Just in their career. So, has this

NBA player failed, met, or exceeded your expectations? First off, Zion Williamson. He's failed expectations. Yeah. He's got to be right. Yeah, he just hasn't been on the court. Like, it's just, when you only,

when you only play 20 games a year, I can't, I can't, like, 100% evaluate you. And you're supposed to come in and be a league MVP. You're supposed to be the face of the league. And you can't even be on the court. So you're definitely failing right now. Yeah. The type of hype that he was getting out of college was only resembled LeBron James.

And when you only play 20, 30 games a year and consistently miss out the most important time of the season, bro, you failed. You're below the expectations. And it sucks because when he does. play he is the top 15 player he was advertised to be but it's irrelevant when you're just never available and then at a certain point you just can't give

him benefit of the doubt until you see he be healthy yeah exactly but hey he could have his but he could have his dwell in bead arc of his career and just start figuring out ways to get healthy and building that regular NBA play of regimen but for now yeah you definitely failed expectations

okay Shay Gilges Alexander he blew expectations out the water. Dude, straight through him to the moon. A hundred percent exceeded. I've always liked him. I can't even say he met him because I never expected him to be a top 15 player in the world. It's crazy what the leaf he made this year.

Nah. First team, all NBA, nobody saw that. Nobody saw that coming. And if you did see that coming, you're a fucking liar. No way you saw that coming this year. Yeah, exactly. Back when he was in college, nobody thought he was like that. at most people thought he was an okay point guard had so many limitations to his game folks

said that he wasn't athletic folks said that he couldn't shoot folks at his defense was pretty good but nothing to absolutely rave about what did he do good on the court and now look at him now bro fucking they don't they didn't know ball they didn't know ball yeah he's him Kevin Durant think hard about this one I'm gonna say exceeded really I'm gonna I mean or met

I don't know this is tough it's listen if you look at everything he's done outside of his days next to Steph Curry it's you could say he failed expectations

for how good he is like he has not had he has not had the success that matches the level of talent he has from okay if we're going from from the beginning

of his career he's exceeded expectations KD is one of the best players of all time I think that anybody who gets into like the top 20 range of all time debates They've exceeded whatever anybody's ever thought about them However once we saw that Kevin Durant Is Kevin Durant and he's on that trajectory

He's failed expectations Exactly your expectations change Once you realize just how good you are And at that point since he's entered superstardom He has had mostly failures When he's not next to Steph Curry Yeah that is true but maybe that's definitely way better yeah that's true but maybe that's

because your expectations for him was too high and we also to recognize that yo he's him but like you're not supposed to put him in this stratosphere as lebron james but at the same time like the type of things that he did on the court he's in that same strategy yeah i mean you could say he shouldn't be in that conversation now because he's failed so much but in terms of just talent if he would have been winning championships by himself you would have been like oh maybe he is in that stratosphere yeah but he's not like that absolutely right tough the next one

R.J. Barrett Oh man he's failed expectations I'll say he met him I never thought he was going to be like that I think that he is exactly who we thought he was going to be for the people that weren't high on him coming into the draft he is the same player he can't finish well

he can't pass well he can defend decently well his shot isn't consistent he is RJ Barrett that shouldn't have been drafted top three overall I told you guys coming into this that I thought that he had all-star potential and that is that's out that's out the door I yeah I legitimately thought that he can make

at least one all-star team in his career I don't think that that's going to be the case anymore so I would say fail at least for me personally yeah he failed you know you are know how I feel I'm his number one hater over here even though I have to give him his right he did have like the best series of games that he played in his entire in his entire

NBA career over the last playoffs but overall in the holistic view he is not him and he failed yeah on paper for a top three pick obviously failed if you're a born hater like me and never believe them from the start expectations yeah pay attention as his time has gone on for the new york nix he's been falling lower and lower in in terms of importance and pecking order so he's been getting into more consistently exactly okay next one Kawhi Leonard Failed He exceeded

He exceeded I think you It's the same thing with Kevin Durant Like like Kauai starts off At a very low point And then he exceeds expectations But then once you realize

That like Oh when he's on the court He can potentially be The best player in the league But he's never on the floor He's not available And so all these things That you want to see Kauai do

he literally can't it's the same thing with him and zion so i've failed i'll say met just because 2019 did happen and i think that allows him to coast off of that for a while the injuries are unfortunate but we saw what he was able to do when he finally was had a healthy run so i'm gonna let him say he met him yeah i think overall it doesn't matter like i think yeah overall he started out he wasn't even a lottery pick back in 2011 he was the 15th overall pick anytime yeah Anytime you're not even a lottery pick and your easily Hall of Fame status, bro, and one of the greatest small fours ever, you've done nothing but exceeded expectations.

No one could have seen that coming from miles away. Yeah. If 2019 never happened, then I could see you saying he failed because he never was able to win when we knew he was good enough to win. But he did it. He had a crazy championship run that resulted in a trophy. Yeah. Got my hate.

Last one. Devin Booker. He's still young in his career, so it's hard, but I'm going to say he met expectations. Did you expect him to be the best shooting guard in the NBA, like easily? I never did. Yeah, you're right. He was, what, the 12th, 13th pick or something like that? That was never what he was supposed to be.

He didn't start at Kentucky. He was a bench player. He was off the bench. He's the best shooting guard in the NBA right now, and it's not close. There's not a real, Donovan Mitchell will respect to him. It's close-ish, but it's clear who the top guy is. It's been clear for years. I'll say, I'll say exceed.

I'll give him that respect. He was ready to say. I mean, listen, the last playoff run was insane. You've shoot an 80% for the fit. He wasn't missing. Every shot he put up, you thought it was going in, and it was going in. And I don't know if we've ever seen a player be that hot for that consistent, for, you know, for that many games in a row.

It was insane. Yeah. Yeah. Shout to him for constantly evolving. his game and fixing all weaknesses improved his defense improved his passing and is still efficient from all areas of the court easily surpassed he's the front runner love it i have to get that off okay well that's all the videos i got today so another long-ass podcast it's late at night i got to edit this bitch and get it out in the morning kill me that's it man's the episode

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