The Deep 3 Podcast - Jimmy Butler Just RUINED Giannis' Legacy | Ep. 34

Episode Date: April 28, 2023

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I think you both know what we've got to start with. Last night, Wednesday, April 26th, Jimmy Butler successfully pulled off one of the most ridiculous playoff performances we've ever seen and took down the bucks in five games, one versus eight seed. How are y'all feeling? It was a legacy game if you've ever seen it on both sides.

Listen, there's so much legacy talk that we're going to get into it. Oh, yeah. God, it's so nasty. What Jimmy Buller did was crazy. Mad narratives. It was crazy. Yeah.

And it was not even just legacy talk. games legacy series right like he for those who don't know if you live under rock in game four he dropped 56 points and beat the bucks in the game yonis came back from injury and in the close-out game he dropped 42 and both those games the bucks had fourth quarter leads of over 10 points yep and they managed to lose both in a row yep he was by i don't want to say by far but by a good distance good margin the best player in the arena like he was untouchable in the in the in the in the the league. Yeah, he's been the best player in the series.

Yeah. Yeah. So to zoom out a little bit, so those who don't know, obviously they came in through the plan, secured the eight seed. The bucks were the one seed. I think everybody up here expected the bucks to make the finals, right?

I've been saying for a year now. I've been saying for a year now that the bucks were going to win a championship. And then they pull up like frauds and drop these last two games. It's ridiculous how disappointed I am in them. the way this entire series played off. Even though, like, Yannis basically missed three games.

He played like 10 minutes in the first game. So, like, you can throw that out. But you go down to one. And like you said, to have double-digit leads to start the fourth quarter and blow both of them on your home floor in the last, on the home floor in game five. And to lose in that fashion is absolutely sickening. That's the perfect word.

Thank you. it's sickening from somebody who was lauding their praises for a year now. It's awful. Yeah. Yep. And it sucks as like, it's such a complicated series to talk about from the Bucks perspective because like you said, Yonis did miss three games. So in part you can say like that played a factor, right? Like they wouldn't have been down to one if that was the case. But they had two chances. And a certain, it's a certain point where even someone like me who was willing to give them, not excuses, but be as rational as I can and be like, oh, he missed these games. This is the reason he's dealing with the back injury. But what a certain

point when you blow two fourth quarter leads like that and back to back games with your star there there there's really no excuse like that's embarrassing as hell yeah you're absolutely right about that but not to come to janis's like defense he was hurt he wasn't he wasn't a hundred percent for sure he was over here getting his ass massazes in the middle of miami he game over there at that arena like yeah like he was going through it and along we're going through it like we all know how incompetent at times of a coach mike budenhozer can be Talk about it. He's gone away with so many things,

and I just think that, like, it is one of those situations where it doesn't matter how bad of a coach you are, your players are him. Oh, no. Yeah, he's fired as shit. Like, I'll break the news now. I'll break the news to the general public now.

Nick Nurse is the Miami is a Milwaukee Bucks' his next head coach. I can promise you that. There's a rare instance where you're going to find a coach available better than Bud, and he's right there waiting. I'll be shocked if they don't hire him. Yeah.

But listen, let's let's Let's not forget Miami didn't have Tyler Hero either Like like you can You can talk about the about the bucks being hurt They've played They've played all year And they've played well without Janus throughout the season

And for Miami who we've all said all season long They are mid, their offense sucks And for them to lose Tyler Hero Lose 20 points from him And you know It's only going to be Jimmy Butler Like he's the only source of consistency an offense that they had and you are still not able not even to win the series you can't get it

to three two you have you can't get two games in the series you have a chance with two games and yannes coming back and so it's like that part right there is the disappointing part that's the part where you're like you guys are like fraudulent looking because again if they're if they don't have tyler hero i know you you don't have yonis but like all of your attention needs to be on jimmy and he still goes out and drops like 98 points in two games like What, like, what are we doing here? What's going on? Not great, man.

Let's talk about, like, specifically how this happened because I think we all agree. It's embarrassing as hell for the bucks, and it's just the ultimate badge of honor for Jimmy Butler's legacy. Like, oh, I got to say before we can go, and I have to apologize to Jimmy Butler. I have been, every time we talk about him,

take your glasses off when you talk. Take my glasses off. Yeah, you have to mean this. Is that respect? Yes, that's a respect. That a form of respect? For himy Butler, yeah. Who is that?

But this was several times on this show where I've said that Not that I think Jimmy Brother is bad But I think the whole lionization of playoff Jimmy is a bit overstated That I think there's something to Wanting somebody who provides value In the regular season

Consistently in the playoffs all the time And that I think the You know, people propelling him up so high Because of these certain games Where he goes crazy Was like a bit much for me I fucking changed my mind This playoff Jimmy is God amongst men

He is Jesus Christ walking on the basketball court I'm watching Michael Jordan play I'll never say bad word about this man again Oh man, yeah I was watching that performance last night Yo, I was asleep and I missed half about half of it I woke up in the third fourth quarter And I said to myself

I was amazed straight up awe This is what it feels like to watch Michael Jordan back in the 90s Like this has to be This is the closest experience that I'll ever get to it You're watching the last dance all over again Yeah absolutely Just seeing the way he was dogging out Drew Holiday talking mad shit to him

telling him like I own you oh my God while he was down he said he said that whether he were losing that's that's a crazy statement like that's just that's just completely unhinged but he played like that like also did you see the final play

he low key fouled to oh he showed the hell out of Pat Connington yeah he foul but listen Jimmy we're gonna let you rock you did you did what you had to do the playoffs exactly I mean, it's physical basketball. Let's talk about the specifics of why they lost, right?

Because it's easy to just be like, ha, ha, they lost. They suck, fraud, fraud, fraud. But I feel like it's like very tangible reasons. And like Mo said, Coach Bud's been getting away with a lot. This is his last defense as their head coach, like I said. And it was a piss poor performance. Like everybody's saying that, but I don't think you can exaggerate how bad of a job and how out-coach boot-holes are got by Spolshra.

They, so we're talking about Jimmy Butler. going nuts, right? They were not sending help defense at all, helping at the nail on his drives or doing anything to deter him from having the ball before he got to the free throw line and in. It was kind of just like, we're going to play our regular defense and let Jimmy cook until the last game of the series. They finally did some adjustments and threw traps at him and stuff. How can you not get the ball out of Jimmy's hands? And the game is so much like easier for you to do that, especially when you don't have a 20 point per game score entire hero right by his side.

Were they scared of Max Drews coming off of a fucking Gave Vincent? What is going on with you, man? The corpse of Kyle Lowry? Yeah. You know? Caleb Martin? Yeah, there needs to be some like

serious reevaluation when it comes to Bud how you approach certain things. They need to pick the hell out of his brain and if he gives you like bullshit answers along with like that bullshit performance that you put on like his time has come and there's no real excuse behind it. But there's also

like other reasons like Drew Holiday shooting 40% from the field and 28% from 3 doesn't help whatsoever. I can't blame him for like. What do you want? What do you want Drew to do when he's running around the whole game trying to guard Jimmy Butler? There's no help. You're trying to ask from, you're trying to ask for 200% from Drew Holiday and trying to get

the best of him on offense and the best of him on defense. When the guy is scoring 50 points getting, getting anything he wants and has no help whatsoever, Drew Holiday was put in a bad situation. to perform on offense, and I understand if you want to say, like, Drew, if you want to say Drew, you have Jimmy and not expect anything on offense. If you want to go ahead and make that call, then make that call. But you can't do both, because that's just unfair to Drew. Yeah, and it's not even just the fact that he's out here running around on defense

trying to be fucking Prime Kauai either. It's also that Coach Bud's offense was horrific in the series. I felt like I was watching a 2016 team where they see switching for the first time and they're just like fucking bewildered and don't know what to do about it that's how they looked he did the same thing they did for years now

they do the little wall defense on Janus drives they switch all the screens and make you beat them one-on-one and you know most teams in these days have evolved and they know how to not let you do that they slip screens they get into weird actions that they aren't prepared for they screen the screener do things that you can't switch so easily the bucks just sat here and made

Janus post up every play had Drew doing isolation and just do the laziest most surface level ways to attack a switch it was ridiculous it looks hell out of me it's terrible

it's the reason why he's going to get fired yeah like like you said like as he said it's so weird because we can talk about yonis a little bit because in these past two games where he came back he averaged 32 points

15 rebounds and 8 assists pretty good stats on paper right I don't care about none of that yeah I don't care about none of that I agree because when you watch it you just see In fourth quarter offense, that was horrific. That was throw Yannis the ball in the post,

and he has to make some shit happen against two defenders coming at him. So, yeah, and he obviously, the free throw problem is a free throw problem. But nobody on this team was put in a good position to succeed. Yeah, absolutely. There were so many times there were so many awkward possessions, like towards the end of that game last night. Yonis ran into a wall, of course, and he was just stuck in the middle at the top of the key.

And the only person who even looked remotely open was Brooke Lopez. Brooke Lopez can't fucking dribble like that. What are you expected to do? It's supposed to be catch and shoot. That's what he's about, you know? And so, bro, even like going down to their last possession where Grace and Allen, their best look, wait, oh, my God. I didn't even remember. Bro, they had two timeouts going down the stretch, correct?

Or at least one. Yeah. Yeah, they did. And shit like that is very fireable, like offenses. Yeah, exactly. The schematics behind it, of course, your NBA coaches, what you're supposed to do, make those adjustments. But the rudimentary stuff is like a big no-do, especially in these huge moments. And with the way, with the dynamics of their team, like, you have to call a timeout to make sure everyone is set.

And he just not doing that is, man, he just doesn't deserve it anymore. Coach Bud is a very good coach when it comes to installing schemes and knowing how to build around his talent. That's why we've seen them be the number one defense in the league or top. three for like five years now with yonnes and brook meant uh having it inside uh lockdown but in game coaching when it comes to your timeout usage not using your challenge in the first quarter making in game adjustments he is awful why would you use your set your challenge in the first half why what is the boy that's like their number one pet peeva coaches yeah it doesn't make any sense the only the only reason why i would think to use is like if your star gets like

a third foul or something and you think that that you can change it. They may, maybe using the first half, try to save that game. Bud is a perfect, like, like you said, Isaac, he's a coordinator, right? He needs to be an assistant coach. You can't lead no, you can't lead anybody no more. People were talking about Bud getting fired

before they won the title in 21. And because, because they won that, he bought himself a little bit more time. I don't think, like, you already have a roster that's aging and it's still very, like, win now. you have to make moves now there's no more time to waste and bud this year and even a little bit last year showed like this is this is what i'm about this is what i'm going to do and it's not

going to work because if they make a little bit of adjustments even last year they probably could potentially yeah they probably get past boston if they don't let grant williams you know go for go for a3s or if they start to make adjustments yeah yeah no but listen that game it was a game seven it was a game seven without without um without middleton and so if at any point you start to say hey let's put out the main fire that's beating us which bud doesn't you know he did it last year and he clearly did it again this year he does not believe in then he has to go yeah it's weird because there's there is something to the idea of not letting your opponent dictate your game and doing your game knowing what you're good at that that works to an extent i think that that's how you

be a regular season one seed right but in the playoffs it's just impossible when you're playing other top-end talent and there's other geniuses on the other sideline like eric spolstra who's gonna be able to do both like you can't be that one-dimensional it's just a work smarter not harder type of thing you know like in the playoffs like anybody can beat you on any given night that just it is what it is but in in the regular season that is what it is but in the playoffs like it's all about schematics and yet in the game really slows down you have you're supposed to have all these opportunities to make these adjustments as time goes on and if you don't make these adjustments then and you just try to continue to push through play hard that's how you get slapped and that's

why like you see consistently not consistently but like once in a while we see crazy upsets in the playoffs you know so yeah for sure i saw a tweet i forgot who tweeted it but someone said that in a lot times in playoff basketball it doesn't become who's a better team anymore it comes down to who can solve a specific issue and that's absolute facts and when you have bud who is the antithesis of somebody who's good at solving issues you're just you're being you're hamstringing your roster that has a greatest player in the world right now on it like it's unfortunate i listen i don't know if i can i don't know if i can decidedly say oh brother here we go i listen i told you we were we were getting into our bags today i hate this conversation we were getting into the agenda talk i cannot

100% give Giannis best player in the world title. I think, I'm not going to say that he's not, but I don't think, like, coming into this year is pretty, like, widely accepted that, like, he was it. And it was fairly, fairly, guy, I can't talk, fairly unanimous.

If you want to make the argument for, for Yokic, for Steph, for, and B, Katie, any of these other guys who were, like, hanging around, like, that, like, one B area, I would not be upset because yeah i can't i can't do i know you were hurt but at the same time you one were scared of the moment he was scared to get fouled at the end of the game did not want that smoke at all two double-digit leads to get one game just to stay just to um and even even in game five

or game four it wasn't even to stay a lot it was we're good we're we're going to try and tie the series and you can't close things out and like I can't give you that title right now because even as bad as but is at a certain point like you have to make the plays as well you look on the other side Jimmy Butler just decided we're not going to lose this series and you had that happen to you and I don't think that you can be unanimous best player in the world after having this happen going into the summer maybe he reclaims it next year not not the summer though bro that vision of him just like being terrified seeing two defenders rushing at him and just throwing it away like that it just hurts to see it hurts to see you know i mean yeah i just

i feel like so you're saying is that listen i don't know if he's the best but i'm not going to say it for sure i still think it might be i just that's that's generally what the narrative's been is that i don't know but nobody's offering like who they think is the best so like okay you think you're unsure well who's better than it like what changed you know what I mean like it's such a reactionary thing based on the outcome of one team outcome that I don't unless you have an option for somebody who you're saying is better I just don't see the point

of having the conversation yet I'll give I'll give you two options I'll take I'll take right now right now Stefan Yokic okay I mean sure if you're you're saying are you claiming they're better than Yonis are you saying that we're talking about huh are you saying for a certainty that you think they're better than Yannis I will entertain the argument for Yokin

Steph yes Steph yes oh my gosh I would take I would take I would take staff over Yokin's right now I mean over Oryonis it's just if he didn't feel that way

48 hours ago I don't see any reason to fill the way now like yeah yeah I don't stuff happens what do you mean there's more data he didn't change it's just a bad outcome

like shit happens yeah exactly partly because of him you're right but just partly I'm not again I'm not I'm not And I don't want to put, like, this entire series loss on him.

He missed, you missed three games of it. And clearly, like, he was coming back from, from the back injury. But I also think that if you are, if you are, like, you look up and you're like, oh, wow, like, Janus has 38 points. He's as a fair, you know, he's fairly efficient. The one thing that he can't do, he can't make two free throws back to back. Like, it's just like. But do you know crazy standards are for him, though? Which, like, granted, they should be.

To make two free throws back to back? That's crazy. I mean, like, we look up and he has an impactful 38 points for game. Not enough. You didn't do good this one play. Like, granted, they should be high as the best playing in the world conversations. But we're so accustomed to him being incredibly impactful and putting up incredible numbers, no matter what, that we look past that and like say, whatever, that doesn't matter. You got to do this thing, this thing, this thing.

You know what I mean? Like, if anybody else that we weren't used to seeing this freaking freak athlete do this every play and have 32 points in an off night, that would be a different conversation. I want you to win the game, though. like that's also that's also a big thing the the one game that the bucks won was without yannis oh my goodness the one game he played two games and they didn't win a single game he played two games and they had double-digit leads in the fourth quarter and they lost in embarrassing we just talked about why budin holzer's brain dead so why are also putting this again and i'm not and i'm not saying that i'm not saying that both these losses are a hundred percent on yonis i'm

not saying that they are 100% on on but everybody deserves blame but because of that because of what happens there's there's things that happen for everybody so because of this loss but is probably out of there because of this loss there's going to be conversations about whether drew holiday is going to get moved about whether chris middleton's extension is going to get signed for yannis his consequences are okay now we now we're going to have to rethink where you are in these things and like what you actually do and and that's that's that's that's what it is. That's what it is. You're right. That is how it is. I just think

that's, the reactionariness of these conversations is so whack because like, we agree this is a team thing and there's other variables but then we're still like, it doesn't matter if we played well, we're changing it up, we're just entertaining and I just feel like it's so unsubstantive. Yeah, there's a lot

of factors to this and as a whole, I agree, I think your statement earlier was perfect. Like, if you didn't feel like this 48 hours ago about this player or this team or this situation, then you're being super reactionary, you know? Um, there's a lot of He literally just called Jimmy Butler, Michael Jordan and Jesus Christ. Okay, that's different. And I'm the reactionary one. That's different. Are we serious right now? He literally just, just was like, oh yeah, everything that I just said is completely different because of what he's

seen over the last 72 hours. What is this? Why am I wrong? And why am I wrong? He's not reactionary. I was joking. God damn. No. No. No. admitting I'm wrong about a guy who's proven this year and year out and I was being a hater is very different than being like two days ago I thought he was great now I think he's less great like he's done this Jimmy Butler has done this for years and based of what he's done in games four and five you're like oh yeah I was wrong based on what I've seen but regardless based on what I've seen from Janus in games four and five now there's a little bit of doubt I'm not taking him out the top five I'm not taking him out of the top 10

I'm just saying there's a little bit of doubt and I don't think that it's reactionary after two games because again it's just more data coming out and now we just have to rethink stuff. No I agree. I'm not saying you're not being incredibly reactionary but you're just being like hey I'm not sure which like sure that's fine you're not sure. It's a discussion

now and I don't think is I don't think I'm more so speaking to the general narrative out there now that's going to be like oh no bag told you we can't win we're going to be here all fucking summer and it's going to be annoying like like 2021 didn't just happen like he didn't just have a 50 point walk off wind

to win a championship like the we go so back and forth and swing things in these narratives on like Twitter and stuff where it's like oh last week he was a god amongst men now he's never going to win because there's no skill listen I'll tell you something I'll tell you so James Hardin was watching that game

pointing at the TV yelling I was right I was right I told you so I will say though if Yokes makes a run to the finals I'm with you because I already I already think he's number two so if he does that sure but right now without any other person taking the throne i need someone to take it before i'm just like you don't deserve it because you lost you know what i mean yeah yeah it sounds like whoever fucking ends up towards the top of the NBA season and wins the championship depending on

who it is like it sounds like you know donovan they'll get your respect and you don't probably earn your crown of potentially being number one and the NBA yeah maybe we'll see what happens we'll see what happens god forbid the sun's win how was it how was it's question to be around kd if he wins because with all the help he has and like how are those guys How was going? And I'll let you know right now. Devinbrook is still not getting... But he's almost like 37 a game so far in this playoff.

No, he's hooping. He's hooping. He's going crazy. Yeah, he's going crazy. Before we move on to that series, we put a lot of attention to the Bucks in this conversation. Let's talk about how great that he did. Because I don't know if you realize this, they have, they had like an all-time amazing shooting series. Like, this was one of like the greatest displays of shot making, like, we've ever seen in the playoff series.

So wacky. As a team, they shot 45% of three. which is a great number but doesn't seem as insane as it really is. Before this. Individual numbers like that aren't being way down

by like other people. Jimmy Butler shot 40%, which is ridiculous. He averaged 48, 5, and 6 on 44% three point shooting and 60% for the field. Ridiculous three level shot making.

Duncan Robinson shot 73% from three for the year. He came out of the woodwork after being irrelevant for two years and shot 73%. Yeah. God. That's insane.

That's like white boy was. And I just like, we're talking about all the stuff with the bucks and how they fail and stuff. It also helps to make 45% of threes as a team. That makes it kind of hard to beat him. Duncan Robinson saw Tyler Hero go out and he was like, all right, I got it. Like somebody has to be the white boy. I got it. I volunteer.

Yeah, man. And the defense, Bam played on Yonnessy the last two games within that. I was going to there. So good. Yeah. Bam, like he was. having for the playing, he was really extremely inconsistent, very disappointing. And as the series ramped up, and as he started to get his playoff reps in, when the lights are the brightest,

he's been a lot better. The other day, I called him, yo, like, he's prime Kendrick Perkins, you know? But now he's actually playing, like, the Bamarabio that I actually know, going ahead and actually playing defense, super tough defense, the best type of defense you can play on Yonis, bringing the ball up, because that's just what he can do because he has that. that skill set and then making plays where it's addition to people because he's a he's a super talented pastor or like getting his own like that's peak damn near peak bam out of bio and this is what you love from him and if the miami heat are going to continue to do special things like

i don't i don't want to say it starts with him but like jimmy beller clearly needs that guy behind him and through these losses like when they lost against the liana hawks he was not that guy you know he was unseen so if he continues this run that he's on and playing with urgency you know like my meat i don't want to put a limit to them that that's a that's a great word i like that a lot we're going to take a quick break from the pot to tell you guys about underdog fantasy the best and easiest way to play fantasy sports online it's playoff time and you can win up to 20 times your money in a single night of hoops if you win all five of your entries and it's super easy to play all you have to do is hit higher or lower on your favorite or least favorite players

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Oh, is that right? Yeah, yeah. They play the New York Knicks. Wow, yeah, they play the Knicks. Wow. Let's talk about this series. It's going to be a gritty, nasty-ass series. I'm going to defer to you guys on this. Before we came into it, we all expected the Cavs to win. I think Donovan said in six, Moe said in five.

which is crazy. No, I said in seven. I said cabs in seven. Okay. And I say, and I say calves in seven. Yep. The Knicks ransacked the calves. It wasn't even close. I'll let you, I'll let you too cook. Donovan, you go first as the resident Knicks fan, and then Moe, you can cook as the resident Cavs hater. Because you've been down them all year. I'm not a Cavs hater. I just was not a Glazer like you. That's the difference. He said, I was a Cavs realist. I was a Cavs. Fair enough. Whatever. As a Cavs denier, you can go second and tell us, tell us what you saw from the calves. Donovan, you couldn't cook. Okay. Isaac apologized to Jimmy Butler earlier. I think I've already done this this year, but if I have not, Jalen Brunson, I am sorry.

I was clearly not familiar with your game. I was like, Zalin Brunson just dominated. He was, it was fantastic. But one of the reasons why I thought that the Knicks would be able to compete in this series was because of Brunson's isolation scoring and Randall's isolation scoring. Brunson did all of that. to an even higher level that I thought. He was great.

Josh Hart, the perfect connecting people. He was just so, he was so good in everything that he did. He was helping out rebounding. And legitimately, the star of the show, after Jalen Brunton, number two, Mitchell Robinson dominated. He threw Evan Mobley and Jared Allen around like ragdolls. He got every board necessary. Last night he had 18 rebounds, 11 of them offensive.

between him and Josh Hart last night. They had 30 combined rebounds. That is insane for two players, for a guard, for a guard and Mitch Robinson going up against the other two bigs to grab 30 rebounds is crazy. Mitch had 11 offensive rebounds in the close-out game.

11? Bro, he has double the offensive rebounding rate of Jared Allen and Evan Mobley. One singular man. He's, he's, he was dominant the entire series. And it's hard, it's hard to, win right when you're not closing out defensive possessions it's hard to win when the other team

gets two for one opportunities basically every time down the floor and especially like for a team like like the nix who is so reliant on on jalen brunson to create offense if that shot goes up and it misses to be able to have another opportunity to maybe get an open three point shot which happens a lot on offensive rebounds or to get a put back those those things are huge we will see what happens in this next round with Julius Randall's ankle because he re-aggraved it in game five. But there's also like the possibility that R.J. Barrett, who sucked the first two games, he played very well the last three games. Yeah. I don't want, I, I was talking to, to somebody this morning, I don't want R.J. Barrett to even look at the basket if he's

beyond 15 feet. I want him to close his eyes and run straight and just go to the basket the entire time. Yes, please, because even if you miss, Mitchell Robinson is going to be there. And it's not like the heat outside of BAM at a bio. Like, New York is going to have opportunities to rebound the basketball offensively. Like, it's going to be Mitchell Robinson against Caleb Martin against Kevin Love. Like, I'll take Mitchell Robinson in those situations to get those offensive rebound. So I think that the Knicks have a very, very healthy chance to win this series.

But, yeah, this last series was it was all about Jalen Brunson and it was all about Mitchell Robinson. and they just they dominated they dominated physically they dominated um schematically and i from the next perspective mo i'm a lob at you tell us why the calves sucked please oh bro let us hear i don't think the calves suck they just you know had a similar issue to the Milwaukee bucks or coach he they need to address that issue ASAP okay you can't like i have start to think about questions as to why like, okay, Evan Mowgli, it's not a good look to bench one of your core guys, but I'm looking at Steve, what's his name, Stephen, Lamar Stevens? I believe that's his name. I'm looking at him. He's a fucking dog and, of course, like, he's not, like, brittle whatsoever. So I'm looking at him

and I'm like, why is he not playing? Like, you need another option, you know? And- Lamar Stevens is your life raft. I know. You need something. You can't just let Evan Moby continue to fight for his life. You can't, like, let Jared Allen. go ahead and admit the day after the playoffs or the day after they get the ass look like yo the lights are too bright that's crazy you don't say that it's hilarious you know and he's been in the playoffs before which is wild yeah yeah exactly exactly but the cabs are just in a super tough spot like this team looks sexy still and um the the dynamics of it though in this age and era of the NBA is just naturally harder of course to like score when you have two bigs who

are not naturally non-shooters you know and it doesn't help when dares garns playing like ass donovan mitchell's playing like shit this is the second year straight where he got bitched by jalen brunson so it's like does this man have your number now or what like because you've been straight out embarrassed you know and this is a second time where donovan mitchell has been favored heavily in a series like this and he just like you know didn't show up whatsoever um one thing that i can say is like shout out to chaos avert that's one question mark that doesn't really need to be answered because he did his fucking thing um i think they pulled isaacro car they just did a lot of weird things throughout the series and i have

questions when it comes to coaching and i also have further questions about evan mowbly not necessarily eva mowley but how he pairs with jared allen and can this duo like continue to thrive in a playoff setting i think i'd give it another season because it has potential, but it entirely, it entirely depends on how Evan Mobley develops as a player. If he doesn't, you know what I'm saying? Gain a jump shot, then sorry, Jared Allen, but you got to get the boot. But if he does, you know, then this can work. It's just time. For sure. I'm glad you brought the coaching issues with the Cavs because I don't think people ever really talk about J.B. Bickerstaff. He kind of just gets like, oh yeah, they have a coach.

Like, you know, people forget. He does exist. It's not just the Evan Mobley and Donovan Donovan show. But there is. issues that we knew they had going into it, which you highlighted a lot throughout the season of why you're doubting them a little bit, that three spot. Isaac O'Coro, Karas Lever, they threw Danny Green in there, like they were trying anything because that, you

can get away with Isaac Coro as a non-shooter there in the regular season, just regular ho-hum games, but when the team like the Knicks just did, when they doubled every guard, they made sure the spacing in the bigs wasn't going to be an issue, I mean, it wasn't going to be a factor, and they made Isaac

Coro be the one-man open every single play. You can't, you have to be a smart coach to build around that. And not to say J.B. Bacerstive is incapable, but he ain't rising the occasion this time. Yeah. And also, like, lights were bright for everybody. If he can, like, if he had a player who had the same skill set as Jetty Ozwin and also Isaac Gregorra combined, and that's perfect, but they do polar opposite things on the court, so you have to pick your poison, you know. Does he need to do, do they need to trade for Dylan Brooks?

Is that you're telling me? Dylan Brooks might be the same year of Cleveland Cavaliers. Keep it away from them. But no, every cast fan told you all years, they need a three-indie a wing. They're unsure about a Kuro. And they were like, oh, hopefully it works. It just didn't.

Like that came, that mattered a lot when people like me thought, listen, you got the two front court, you got the defense taken care of with these front-court players. Your back court is incredibly dynamic. It's not going to matter who's in the between. A body will be fine. But your back court can't be dynamic whenever they're being doubled every time

and leaving this guy open because he's irrelevant. Yeah. And if that guy doesn't be relevant, you need to have spacing so that way he can be a cutter, he can be a screener. But you got two bays who can't shoot. So, Quiro can't be a screener. That's not really his game. Yeah. And that falls back onto Donovan Mitchell and Dary's Guard and just makes their life so much harder than it needs to be.

You know? Yep. You can't have three non-shooters next to your two guards and expect them to be good no matter how talented they are. Exactly. Like you can only get away with two bigs who can't space if the three can really space. Yeah, exactly. I'm glad that you seen the light. You did some magnificent throat goading right there, Isaac.

What? The way you were with on the cabs the entire year, and I was just like, I love them, but I don't love them enough to say, like, their Eastern Conference bound. I'll say their second round bound for sure. But Eastern Conference, crazy. Never believe in that.

But for me, like especially, I had them winning in five, so you don't understand the top of hurt that I'm feeling, bro. Every day that a Knicks fan has a good day, it's a terrible day for me. Don of it is smiling right. Now, that makes me sad. I like to see him in Shambles, you know? So I, shout out to the Knicks.

I have to give credit where credit is due. I want to burn my tongue with just saying that, bro. Feels like the devil's word, but it's the truth. Now, keep going. Keep going. No, I'm done. My question for you guys is, so we saw the Knicks take down a really talented cast team who on paper,

everyone thought was more talented than them with a mix of good coaching, great performances, a good fit against that team too do you think they have a chance to get to the next round because they're probably playing the Celtics 100% you think they can beat the Celtics oh wait beat the Celtics

would beat the heat oh they are playing the heat yeah yeah can they beat the heat yeah they 100% have a chance to beat the heat obviously we're gonna have to see what happens with with uh with random's ankle yeah are they playing the heat

yeah they're playing the heat oh yeah they play them on Sunday or something like that because if it was chalk if it was chalk it would have been the bucks calves. Oh, okay, okay. Yeah, but both, but both teams were,

were upset. But yeah, they, they have a chance. If Miami, right, like, they, all they have offensively, like, to start their offense is Jimmy Butler. If Tyler Hero is still out,

like, we're going to have Jimmy Butler versus Jalen Brunson. All those matchups are going to be close. I'm not scared of whatever Kyle Lowry has left. I'm not scared of whatever Gabe Vincent can, can give Miami. Like, New York, has a legitimate chance, even if

I think if Julius doesn't play for a majority of the series, it'll probably be longer, like a seven game series, but if he does, they could potentially pack this up in, like, in five. Bro, I forget about Julie's. With no Julia,

if they have Julius, they get packed up in five, I don't know. I feel like for the type of team, I haven't thought about this at all. It's the first initial thoughts of this matchup, because for some reason I thought they're going to play in the Celtics. I didn't look at the bracket, right? I don't know if they have an answer for Jimmy. I don't. That firstly, there's that, right?

Like, 101, obviously, they don't have a body for them. They, you don't have to, right? You can do smart schematic stuff to throw doubles at him in the way that the bucks didn't. But I feel like Randall's not, it's not a good Randall matchup, right? With Bam there and with the style of defense they play that can shut down Janus.

I don't really see Julius feasting against them. Do you think Brunson's, Brunson alone could drive the offense that much against a pretty good defensive team? Yeah, I do. I think he can. I think they might be able to speed Miami up a little bit and get into transition. I think Josh Hart will be able to eat a little bit in transition.

I think quickly is going to be able to get off a little bit more. He didn't have the best series. So I'm expecting a little bit of improvement from him. So for the other guys, I think there's room for improvement. And there's a level that the Knicks can still go to in this. next in this next round. Do you force, Mo, do you force see Mitchell Robinson doing that good against Bam? Like, he bitched the Cavs Bigs?

I don't know if I see that. No, no, no way. Zero chance. I think he's going to do good, you know? But, like, I don't think he's going to, like, have an insane series like he did last series. Um, it, like it said, it depends on how, like, Julius Randall is doing. Because I, like, if Julius Randall's by his side, then he has a lot better chance of, like, you know, fulfilling his job and, going on not this upward trajectory but just like

doing what he's supposed to do um yeah so they're gonna make jill and bruns his life hard yeah they're gonna make jeline bruns his life's hard but i feel like jalen bruns his game is built for the playoffs like he's he's hell of physical thrives off contact his off the dribble shooting is like that like there's no real yeah like plan to stop him because he can get it from anywhere you know he's another player that you should add to your playoff proof list. Yeah. The heat

forced you to beat them one-on-on-one and Jaylon Brunson will get one-on-one player so you could see that not being the worst matchup for him

unless I don't know they throw Jimmy on them which would be tough which I'm sure they'll do here and there yeah be able to see sure he would do that

it's gonna be great season I won't be shocking they're all getting cooked they're all getting cut they're all getting cut it doesn't matter Max Schuze isn't gonna know what hit him

oh bruh whatever man let's move on to the Western Conference other series he was so to get wrapped up. The sun's packed up the Clippers in five because Kauai Leonard's knee

failed him once again. That's such a shot to the heart as a Clippers fan, bro. Miniscus injury, he missed the final three games after first two games, last episode, we were like, oh my God, Kauai's like maybe a top three player in the NBA again.

The low manager worked. The day after we came on here and said low management worked, he was out for game three. You're like, ah, fuck, here we go. Next day, out for game four. Two days ago, out for game five series over and then that's when they revealed the meniscus tear again so it's like

now bro like the clippers are this man listen i know we like to make fun the clippers a lot like everybody else kawai leonard is so fucking unfortunate like that sucks like it's not like he had was youngstaff currie had a lot of ankle issues that are easy to aggravate he has the degenerative knee and i think this meniscus i think i've thought reporting was on the other knee you know who's unlucky that is that it just keeps happening that he's keep getting knee injuries his knees just go they go back and forth decided which one to which one to fail him every year it's always something and we're just the thing that bothers me is whenever we see just great players or great teams be robbed of their potential from unfortunate circumstances such as injuries

and i just feel like being robbed in such an all-time great career with kauai absolutely and we're going to talk about what they got to do next and how embarrassing this era is but it just sucks for him. It sucks for him, bro. It's tough. It's tough for everybody because like, and it, and, because like, Tyloo after game two, they asked him about, you know, Kauai playing over 40 minutes and he's like, this is why. Like, we want him.

He said, this is why we load manned so that he can be ready. And it just, at this point, there's nothing that you can do in the regular season. I don't care of Kauai played 20 games in the regular season. He's going to come into the playoffs and I would be expecting for him to get hurt. And so it's like, I don't, moving forward, I don't know what you do with him. You keep your fingers crossed and hope you get a good run where they stay healthy. That's all you can do. Yeah, absolutely.

If they, if they didn't have a new stadium coming, I would try and trade them. I just, I can't live like this, right? Like mentally, if you're the clippers, I just can't keep getting myself up and saying like, this is the year he's going to stay healthy. This is the year. And then wait until April and then his knee blows out. It's just too much. It's too much.

It hurts my heart too. much for me for me to keep all like this yeah i can live like this if you're telling me he giving me 34 34 54 and soon as 60% from three i need it like i'll wait i'll be ready whenever you ready please like this is generational basketball witnessing and like you but you're never going to see it you will never see it past april but see there's a thing so we've known as injury issues he left the spurs because it was mishandled the raptors trained for him knowing this like it was the beginning of that but we knew kawaii get hurt a lot. He missed a whole year before the Raptors got him. And what happened? They got

lucky and they got a whole season of him where didn't get hurt. Well, he did get hurt in the finals run, but he's managed to drag his leg through it and win the championship. That's what they got to hope for. Like, we don't got to talk about the sons right now. We've talked about them enough. They're advancing. They're great. Devin bookers him. Let's keep a focus on the Clippers because everyone's talking about now. Are they going to blow it up? What's next for them? You just mentioned Donovan that they have a new stadium coming. So everybody is talking about they need to trade these guys. They can't. They have a two billion dollar stadium coming that they have

to put butts and seats for it. So, do you think they trade Paul George? Like, they can't trade Kauai. And my mind, you can't even trade Paul George because like that's, like, bro, that's sick. You don't have to trade him, though, because one, every team

around the league sees that he gets hurt too. Like, who's going to be wanting to just throw a big old bag of picks and players to you for Paul George when they know there's a reason you don't want him? And what will you get for Paul George. What is his, he has good trade value, but like, what type of value are you looking for? Are you looking for okay young players and picks right now or like what? And even then, like Isaac said, like who's doing that right now? Do you try to get a cat? If they feel like they're going to blow it up? That's so nasty, bro. I mean, that would probably help both teams. Cat doesn't get hurt.

Well, this year he did. That's the only thing that I can think of. Kawhi Leonard, since he's gotten hurt, every single year has started less and less. and less games or I think it's fewer grammatically whatever but it's it's fewer fewer and fewer games he's the one who's who's gonna have to stay because nobody's going to trade for him paul's the i think that paul george has more value than kawai leon at this point in time so he would he would be the the one the one to go parse that man it's hard to judge kowai's value because it's like like i said you gotta just hope you get a season where it works out like it's just a flip of a coin every year, lately that coin is not, it's not, though. It's not, I don't, you keep saying

it's like, it's a flip of a coin. It's not, we haven't seen it. Like, the last, that was four years ago. I agree. It sucks. This postseason, he gets hurt. The last postseason, he got hurt. The postseason before that, they were in the bubble and he blew a three one lead and then we get back to, to Toronto. It's like, there's nothing. It's, it's not like he's one on, one off. It's just continuously getting worse and worse and it's happening in real time so i don't think that anybody should should voluntarily sign up maybe maybe the pg for cat thing is the best option because the the timboros have already showed us that they're idiots and that they'll trade for anybody and so maybe that's the way to go right maybe maybe trading paul joists to go get cat is the best solution and you can get somebody who

is consistently on the floor but you're going to have to flee somebody to get out of this deal because they have two guys who get hurt all the time and they're only getting older by the second but are they gonna want to get out of this deal like we're talking about the new stadium

they have two very marketable stars they have this thing they're building like we're assuming that Minnesota wants to move cat they probably don't do if that's not there just keep proving my point

I don't know if there's an option out there that makes it make sense to like how are they pot they have to be competitive How are they possibly going to be just as competitive, if not more, but I'm sharing one of those guys. What move is out there? They try to get Anthony Simons and Jeremy Grant for Paul George, maybe.

That's, uh, yeah, no, I don't know. Doesn't move me. There's no real move out there in my mind that makes complete sense. And I don't know. I don't think they should make a move personally. Like, there's just like you have to gamble. Like, this is the best chance that you will have over the next 10 years. So, like, this is just the part of the game, you know, sadly.

I hate injuries. hate injuries and like things like this just happen and they play like a heavy part as to how your NBA career and how NBA history is written and so far like NBA history NBA got just don't fuck with the clippers no

Kaw Leonard cannot get one more of my dollars he cannot get one more I would him or Paul Jordan I I can't pay both of them I just I fundamentally I said it before I can't live like this

I'm so stressed all the time It's like Something has to change It has to change And I understand I understand that you have to put Seats or you have to put butts in seats It would be better

To maybe get somebody who's there for 75 games Because at this rate Kawhi's only playing 40 games next year Right at this At this rate he's only going to get him for a minimum amount of time. So what's the difference between that and having no chemistry and a first-round exit than having like a mid, you know, a mid-young star that can be there for 70 games

and still get a first-round exit? Well, if they can get but Calderidge or Paul George, that'd be a home run. They can't. But, I mean, this comes back to the whole like philosophical debate, right? Do you want to be good and have less of a ceiling because you don't have that star power that we all know you need to win a championship, or do you want to make big swings to defenses and try to hope these guys stay healthy?

I guess you can think about it like, if you traded Paul George from Cal Bridges and didn't have Kauai, whatever happened, and you have a good team that's not great, what do you have? 15% chance to win in the finals? Do you have the Nets in the West? Yeah, let's say.

50% chance to win the finals, which are a good team that's reliable. Not getting you anywhere. Maybe being good has value, but you look at the other side, if all things were equal and they were healthy, maybe they have a 40% chance of winning the finals.

but they're not healthy so it's a 20% chance flip it in half you're still like is that value still more than the good if you have that slight chance it hits the the difference between and because like i see i see your argument i think the difference between what the clippers have and like the argument that that you're posing is that like you the clippers and the clippers kawai pa george they've shown that they're just not going to be healthy right i think i think that argument is more for like Where the Sixers are, where it's like, would you rather, would you rather, you know, be 42 and 40 and be like a young fun team, have a first round exit and then go? Or would you rather have hardened and be it and just keep getting to the second round every year, still have top, still have top in talent and just hope that every year is like the year that it clicks. But you still have the possibility.

I don't think the Clippers have a possibility of getting to that next level. Like their, their duo of Paul George and Kawhi Leonard. is in a tier below, Hardin and Embed. And even as much as Harden and B get hurt, yeah, even as much as they get hurt. I'm sorry, we're not talking about healthy guys either. Yeah, I know, I know. But even then, it's still not to the level that Kauai and Paul George get hurt. So that's why, that's why I think the difference lies.

Yeah. Damn, man. It's tough, man. It just sucks as a musician they're in. Clippers can't have shit nice, bro. It is what it is. It is what it is. It sucks for them.

Good thing I'm a Lakers fan And before we get out of here Let's spend a quick five minutes on each team Let's check out all these other two Western series They're still going on The last time we recorded The Lakers were up 2-1 I think Against Memphis

As of recording this They went up 3-1 Everyone was like holy shit The Lakers come in a championship This is crazy Yeah And then yesterday The Grizzes came back

And saved their season at home I think as you well Probably expected them to And they forced it to game 6 in LFSA So Lakers are leading 3-2 How are you feeling about this Are you still confident the Lakers how you feel about

I want to hit you first when it comes to the Lakers I just get so sad because I just see LeBron slowing down like shit you know and of course ages to do with it

but also the injuries like I don't know if he's like 110% healed and it's clear his day to me I say that I know he's not 110% healed so like the Danes the Lakers just look like

a different team every other day and it just depends on like okay you pretty much know is what you're going to get from lebron you pretty much know what you're going to get from ad uh who's that third guy and and as of late it's been like rui hechamira coming off the bench here and there first two or three games he's been going crazy um playing the entire memphis grizzy's bench but then after that's like okay austin reeves are you like the elite white boy that we think you are or not and then it's like okay dennis rhoder what you got for us delo can you not be like a hundred and percent ass can you be like 90

percent ass instead you know it's like hard it's a little hard for the lakers and it just makes it even harder because like I feel like you described a good situation shoot right now he's shooting like six for 36 from three he's six from 36 from three point range right now I feel like you're describing a good problem though

you're saying they need a fine third guy every game but you just name me like four guys who step up to the plate every now and then like it sounds to me like they have depth and a lot of options for people that can help them win any given night Malik Beasley hasn't even been playing like that just crazy yeah And we're so waiting for Millie Bees that play well. Like, I think you're, I see the uncertainty of not having that third guy.

I see why that's scary. But when you have four guys you solicit that can show on any given night can be them, I think that's a good model. That's what you saw in the 2020 team, right? Like, it ended up being KCP for that finals run. Sometimes it was coos. Sometimes it was whoever. Like, I think it's okay to be had the uncertainty when you have lots of options.

I, I can agree with that. But it's like, it's not okay when you don't know like 100% of LeBron's going to be that you know yeah he's been like pretty up and down yeah and ad had a couple slow games where he was dealing with certain things but last game he looked great despite the fact that they have a fucking fly around me but yeah i see what you mean yeah i'm still confident in them donovan how are you feeling i'm gonna tell the line again i wouldn't be shocked if the grizzlies pushed it to seven um but i also wouldn't like i i think i think the lakers win in game just because like it's at home yeah you get the right you get the role players back home but

they run in this old man to the ground he's playing 38 minutes a night there's been a couple games where he's played over 40 minutes he played like 45 minutes in the overtime game he can't be out here like that he's oh he needs to go to bed like it's it's getting late and like moe said he's shooting it's getting late he's shooting 17% from three right now if if lebron is not going to be the ultra-aggressive you know i'm gonna just put my head down and drive and i'm like there's gonna be some nights where he's just gonna chuck from three because he wants to conserve energy if that's not going to be a successful strategy then i think memphis has a way back in the one thing that i will agree with isaac on though is that i don't think i don't think you need

a definitive number three in this series because for because for memphis they need they need John Morant and Desmond Bain to be on top of their game every single night for them to even have a chance. And if they are not there, then the Lakers can get away with Rui having 15 or Austin Reeves having 15 and some change or whatever. Like, they don't, they don't need one of those guys to be a legitimate third star. Because, you know, if John's not scoring 40, the Grizzlies don't have any offense in the series, especially just, especially the way that Dylan Brooks.

is playing Oh my god right I just want to I just want to say he's uniting nations right now with how he's playing

bro yeah so I'm so confident Lakers pull it out I think we saw the last win they had where LeBron

just doesn't run fast anymore he just like holds his energy and the last play of the game they needed to buck it he ran fast as shit

hit the lay in over uh Jerry Jackson he ran pretty fast still you can tell he's picking and choosing his spots

trying to get through the first round without going full 20 20 LeBron energy yeah I I like to think that if they end up facing the Sons or Nuggets,

whoever they see in the future or Warriors next round, that he'll be able to turn it on if his body lasts, we'll see. But I'm not terribly worried about LeBron. Like, he hasn't been great, but I'm going to give him the benefit for the doubt. Yeah, LeBron is LeBron. Like, he's bounced back plenty of times throughout the season where it's like, damn, is he cooked? Oh, no, he's not.

It's like a consistent, like, bro-ascoaster, like, you know? He can't go 100% every time. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. And I'm still confident to get one of these games. Yeah, exactly. Look at us. Mostly because Darvinham has outcoached the shit out of Taylor Jenkins all series. The schematic war, this seems been really great.

If you go back and watch these games and see the little small stuff they're doing, adjusting every game with first game, AD eats, second game, they doubled the shit out of him. He can't pass out of it. Offense sales. Third game, they don't let him get doubled because they send him on Rolls Morph. They don't play him out of the post. He's just mostly picking roll, and he's abusing them on offense rebounds. It's going back and forth these adjustments, and Darvin Ham is kicking Taylor Jenkins's ass.

Listen, they need But listen Darwin Ham needs to be the third star He needs to be the third guy To step up But yeah I think the Lakers should Should get it done

I I don't feel confident In them Moving on In like in the next series after that Because of what they play Is it the Warriors? Warriors are kings

Whoever wins that series Which is going to be the Warriors This transition Warriors versus Kings What's your else. Jared Fox is playing. It's looking like I'm two for two with these predictions.

I had the Lakers in six and I think I had the Warriors in six. You said two for two. We predicted six series. What are you talking about two for two? Look, we're not talking about those other Cs, right? There's a bunch of series out here. Those are practice. Those are practice.

Yeah, there's a two that matter. God, man. Yeah, man. Darren Fox has a hurt hand. He just played through it. Golden State pulled out that game. It's all the men's him is on Golden State's side after the 2-0 Sacramento start. I feel like you'll be hard.

press to find somebody who still thinks the kings are going to win? How are y'all talking about it? No, they're done. They're done. You're going back to that. There's no way. Yeah, there's zero. If you have a hurt finger, you're going back to that.

Kevin Herder's playing, like, he's playing like inner mural basketball right now, averaging like nine-point shooting, just some disgusting percentages. Like, yeah, no. I don't believe in them anymore. But, yeah, they've done a really good job of slowing down to Monta-Sabonis. That man cannot do his normal power in the postgame again. It's Looney and Dremont. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Like, when I watch... The lights are too bright. It's like they're guarding Demona Sabonis, how the entire NBA, including the Sacramento Kings, tend to guard the Golden State Warriors with Dremont. Like, if you see at times he's just out there, everyone's spaced out, worrying about everything else going around,

and DeMontas de Bonas is getting that same type of treatment, but everyone else is not, like, adjusting as so. And they're just like, they need to be recalibrated, and this is a whole sink. It's a whole like mis-sync from, you know, how they're playing the bonus of bonus. Yeah. It's tough when they minimize a bonus

and Deer & Fox is dealing with a hurt hand. I don't see how they're going to be able to pull out enough offense to keep up with the Warriors in these last couple games. It's also tough when Kavanaughn Loonie's grabbing 20 rebounds a night and getting every offensive board.

Like Kavon Luni is dominating the glass right now. He's playing well. They got 21 points for. Draymond in game in game five obviously obviously Draymond is not going to he's probably not going to score 20 for the rest of the playoffs right but but if if he can be aggressive going towards the basket and turn that seven points a game to 12 points a game because he's just looking at the basket looking for a layup right he can he can set up the lot pass that they get off of the short

roll whenever they whenever they're the trapping curry so I think I think I think I think Golden State is going to get it done. It's going to take probably a game longer than what I thought it was going to take, but they're fine. They're also, like, they're knocking down shots. Like, Clay's, Clay's here, Wiggs is back up to speed. Jordan Poole, we need another game from you because you were not good in game five. But, like, I think, I think Oldest States is in a very, very good position right now to move on. Did I say Warriors in the six or seven?

Did I say six? I think you said seven. I don't know. remember I can't know yeah either way we I think we all thought I don't know I think when you predicted it would be like an ass whipping but I thought it was gonna be them in five yeah I but I think most of us thought it would be a long series but Golden State would pull it out after that scary start where it looked like they're getting their teeth kicked in it feels like things leveled back to normal when people were saying that the dynasty was over yeah and that and

and I wouldn't ever want to see draymond in a in a in a war's uniform again you're putting you But I'm going to beat the Lakers. You're putting a fear in hearts. I still think people should be talking about this. Like, this is their last dance. Like, they have to make a deep run or it's not looking good for them. Not a problem. And they're going to see LeBron probably.

Oh, they got Bronn. He's just not a believer. No, I don't. I think the Warriors will beat the, we'll beat the Lakers. I said, we'll have plenty of time to talk about that in the future. Regardless of what happens. to the Kings just real quick I just have to say you have to give flowers to them specifically also like Deer and Fox we have to talk about him oh yeah I said this last

last podcast um he's we have to view him in another light the way we talk about him compared to other young players like it's very tough yeah he's he's better than trailing he's he got him he's quiet now no more deer's fuck talk that's funny that's funny I'm just kidding but guys well that's great

we're gonna have plenty time to talk about those teams for now I think we transition to TikTok time let's run this shit as you guys know as always

we're gonna start with the draft today we're gonna stick to the topic of the Warriors and we're gonna do a draft with only players who played for the Warriors

at any point in their career so it's not the version that was on the Warriors it's their prime selves they just have to qualify for the list they had to have played in the Warriors jersey

at least once Okay Sounds good I had first pick last time Donovan had third pick So I think it's Mo Donovan me Okay

Cool So Let's draft NBA lineups With the only players Who played for the Warriors Damn Okay Are you picking first

Give me Steph Curry first Okay Yeah I can't say Confidently, but you can't shame me for it. Yeah, you definitely can't be mad at it. Yeah.

I don't know who I want to give to Isaac, because I'm just going to lob this up. There's two more grades left. I don't, I don't want, I don't want the other great. Give me Kevin Durant. Listen, that's what I wanted you to do. Give me Will Chamberlain. You can have him.

Yeah. Overrated. And then after that, this is where I can go a lot of ways. Yeah. Give me Clay Thompson. Give me the spacer. Ah, yeah. Okay.

Well, and Clay. That's nice. All right. We got, we got KD. I need. What do I need? What do I need? Let me just get some.

Okay, I'm going to just get some talent. Give me Chris Weber. Oh, okay, okay. Chris Weber? It's a good pick. Yeah, Chris Lever played for them for a couple years. He was washed, but he counted. Oh, fuck.

You're right. He was. Damn. Okay. Cool. All right. Um, damn.

So this, this is tough, extremely tough. Very tough. All right. This is the harder drafts we've done. Listen, but you have back-to-back picks,

though. So you're like, you're in a good spot. Yeah, you better not blow this because you have step and back-to-back picks now. You should win this draft.

Yeah. Uh, give me, okay, what was your last pick, Donovan? Chris Weber. Okay, cool. You got Chris Weber.

Give me. Chris Mullen, and I have to pick Draymond Green for chemistry purposes. Oh, I was hoping you didn't pick him. Having Draymond and stuff together is really hard to beat. Wait, I said Chris, I said Rick and Barry, right? You said Chris Mullen. Chris Mullen, okay. There we go.

That white man. Yeah. Okay, okay. So who that? So I have KD and Chris Weber. We're going to have KD at the three and Chris Weber at the four. I'm going to go kind of a big. Give me Nate Thurman at my five.

okay okay so i have wilt and clay thompson first off give me iggy play the four okay i was hoping he made his way back he damn sure would not and i need and then hmm after that give me rick berry to be my three damn okay okay okay okay you got that okay have that um at my is tough at my one I'm trying to look at my notes real quick there's a good point guards here there are

but you know what I want this I want this two guard at my two give me Bernard King okay okay I like that okay I thought you're going Mitch Richmond there that's a good big

yeah I have a decision to make if they come back around Okay Damn So I fucking kind of hate this shit It puts me at an awkward position But

So I have Steph Curry I got a Chris Mullen And then I also have Dream on Green So I got my point guard figured out My small forward and my power forward So I need a big

And also I need a fucking center So for my two Give me Tim Hardaway It's a weird fit with Steph Give me Tim Hardaway I guess you can be mad at the talent I don't know you I need the talent

You suck I hate you I hate you And then For my center Who the hell should I pick for my center Uh There's some good options

For my center I might be fumbling this but give me David West give me David West he's fire what do you mean by that the throwback vibes are immaculate what do you

mean he folded in one pick yes it's a two-man race now it's a two-man race that's that's hilarious that's mismanagement that's

thank you all right Listen, I'm confident with my squad. For my point guard, give me Mitch Richmond. Okay. For my point guard, give me Gilbert Arenas. I think he was with the Warriors. How did you not pick Boogie or Ralph Samson?

Oh, but I forgot about Buggy. Like that, those weirds are just so forgettable, or at least Boogie so forgettable. He picked David West. He picked David West. He has one of the most inspiring games of basketball. What are we talking about? Talking about here. David West is nuts.

What do you mean, bro? He's fantastic. There's like four all-stars you could have picked. Bro, David West is a great pick. I am happy. I'll pridefully take my WRL. Okay, so I got Gilbert Arenas, Clay Thompson, Rick Berry, Andre Agedawa, Walt Chamberlain.

Cool. I got, who I have, I have Mitch Richmond, Bernard King, KD, Chris Weber, Nate Thurman. damn nobody is you but you have a good team listen nobody will say you want just out the old ass names listen if you were born in 1970 I have the team for you

I'm sorry this is your squad I got Curry Tim Hardaway Chris Mullin and then I got Draymond and David West this team is nasty

That's never not going to be funny. Oh, man. Oh, wow. There's somebody all-stars available. Never be a GM. Bro, shout out to David West, man. Y'all sleep.

Next thing we're going to do, I don't think I told you guys about this video, so it would be a surprise. I'm going to send you guys a picture of six players, and we're going to talk about what these guys look like they would do if they weren't basketball players. Oh, yeah, you for sure did not tell me about this. I forgot. You're a wrenching the plans. What does this NBA player look like he would do if he wasn't a basketball player?

First off, Joe Ingalls. That is a middle school math teacher if I've ever seen one. That is a math teacher. That is a wood shop teacher. Yeah, he looks like one of the coolest teachers either in the entire building by that too. Oh, yeah, he cracks mad jokes. He's hilarious. He cusses in front of the students.

Absolutely, bro. Good vibes. Good vibe. Yeah. Great life. Great man, bro. Top tier. Next up.

Russell Westbrook. He's saving lives in the sewers. Yeah. Russell Westbrook, another life, would 100% be a physical trainer? He would a thousand percent, be working a tight polo, be motivating people in the gym. I can see it 100%. He's either that, he's either that or he's a nurse. A nurse?

I can see that. What? Yeah. Listen, you put some scrubs on Russell Westbrook. That's a nurse right there. That's an RN. Yeah, I can see it. Yeah.

yeah yeah that that hospital that hospital looks like malpractice i'm good i'm good next up jordan pool he's he's working at paxon i'm not going to lie jordan pool looks like such the quintessential gen z basketball player i can't imagine him doing anything else yeah i just i just imagine him like a you ball fucking like work if he's not in the league he's continuously working his way to league and he probably works at full locker and his off time to be honest. No, if he wasn't a football player, if he wasn't a basketball player,

he would be an actor playing a basketball player in an ABC family show. God, man. He looks the part. All right. Kevin Durant. Loki, he kind of looks

like a gym teacher. I could see him. I could see him as a gym teacher. A gym teacher. Yeah. I feel like. Now listen, the one thing that,

the one thing that, that like, throws me off of that, all of my gym teachers were big right he's clearly he's clearly yeah elastic bellies i tell i i feel you on that which is crazy enough of that i think kevin durant looks like he would be an rn b singer in another life really you ever see those pictures of him with the mom is not with that yeah no wow really well you ever see those pictures of him with the beanie and those long pants

Marvin gay he put him by side 70s rm b singer Yeah, no, when I see KD, he kind of looks like a cool-ass bouncer who will let you slide if you slit him a 10, 20, a 30 ball, whatever it is. Just a super cool, mad chill, you know. And he serves Zah on the low, too, when he's like, when he's off time. That's what he looks like to me. That's hilarious. Gordon Hayward.

Oh, so you try and get us in trouble here. Yeah, nah. You try to get us in trouble here. Yeah, Gordon Herod. you know what Fox News he works he works at

at great clips at sports cuts at sports this man is a whatever it's called this man is your Republican correspondent on Fox News

you hit it on the money oh my God you're in your bag right now yes like yeah he looks like he's just serving out the

this distasteful takes on Fox News every Monday at 4 o'clock. Yeah, he looks like he's on the TV, riling up old people getting them mad at Starbucks Cups or something. Him and Will Kane have a podcast. Oh, God. Oh, God. That's hilarious.

Last one, Deerrin Fox. He looks like he could drive for Amazon, though. I was like he looks like he'd be a hospitality worker. That looks like a face that is really good at talking to people and being kind Okay

He looks like the top tier DoorDash delivery driver Like super nice Brings your food Right on time So quick, so fast He's in the service industry Yeah

I think if you put him Into an old folks home He could be the fan favorite Of all the retirees Also Also we say I said Amazon delivery driver That makes you want to change it

Russell Westbrook Works at UPS He's a UPS He's a UPS be a machine. Machine, bro, what? Never lose a package. Number one, employees.

Oh, God, what the hell? This is we one of the next video now. I love that. It's been hilarious. Bo, I think you have a couple of videos for us? Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, so first up, we're going to play this game. We're basically guessing their all-time teammates.

You're going to guess the player by their all-time teammates. All right? Love it. So let me go ahead and get the hook ready. Ready? Cool. He gets a player by their all-time teammates. So I guess the NBA player?

Yeah, it gets the NBA player. Gets the NBA player by their all-time teammates. Okay, let's go. Ready? You got it written down? Yeah. So at point guard, there's Kyrie, shooting guard, Jimmy Butler, small forward, KD, PowerFord, Tobias Harris,

Center, Jewel and B. Senator's Well and B So somebody for that 76ers team Is that Is that James Hardin? No

J. But first thought was J.J. Redic He didn't play with Kyrie Ah, who else was on that team?

Wait, wait, you said, you said, Kyrie, who's the two guard? Kyrie, Jimmy Bullard.

Oh, all right, I'll send a team. Kyrie, Jimmy Butler. Oh, Jimmy Butler. Oh,

Jimmy Butler played for the Bulls and the heat and the 76ers. Damn, who could this be? Yeah, you got to write down. I've got to go to see it. All right, there you go.

Tobias Harris. So my first thought is Jimmy Tobias and Joelle played at the same time so somebody from that team. But who was the role players there? Let's think about it. Oh, is this Ben Simmons?

Yeah, easy. Y'all took way too long to get this. Way too long. Yeah, this is the Nets and 76thus hybrid. The two teams... Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Exactly. All right. Smoke that. Next team. You got Russell Westbrook, James Hardin, K.D., Kauai, and Yolkits.

This is Sergei Baca. No. Good guess, though. I think this also applies to Sergi Baca. You are... Serge's play with Yolkits? He plays him now. He's on the Nuggets. Serge is on the Nuggets? I think so.

Oh. I don't know that. But no, it's not surge. Westbrook Hardin, Katie Kowai. Let me think backwards from Yokish, because he has the least amount of teammates. Jeff Green? No.

Okay. I feel like that Loki... Jeff Green is play with everybody, so probably him too. Yeah. I wouldn't shame you for that whatsoever. I don't know if he's played with Kauai, though. He has.

Oh, yeah, this definitely applies to Jeff Green as well. Yeah. Who else? He played for the Thunder and currently the Nuggets, probably. It's not KCP Not Jamal Murray Who's out here playing with Yokets man It's got to be somebody older

Because he played clearly he played with The Thunder probably Yep Huh Keep on keeping on DeAndre Jordan No That's not a bad guess at all though

You're on the right path Okay it's a big man probably Let's relax Hurt never play with these guys I'm just thinking about Big Man who are on the Thunder It's gotta be a role player Because all Yokic's co-stars

Are like relevant players are young I wouldn't have played with Katie Westbrook and Hardin But they also played with Kauai too Yeah So that'd be a raptor Maybe a clipper Who's

Who's on the Nuggets bench Who's out here like that? Who did he train Bones Highland for I think they For picks Is this Bones Highland? No, not Bones Island

Oh okay You even did that face But Who do they bring into that trade Who would they get back Why can't I remember? Yeah Bones Highland

It was Oh is this Reggie Jackson? Yes Reggie Jackson Yeah It was just Yeah you're not Bonsheim You're on the right track

though Regis Jackson The gears are moving It was somebody related to Bowes Highland in some fashion. Yeah. I'm using him this game. All right. We moved. Yeah.

All right. This one's a little bit harder. Russell Westbrook, Victor O'Dipo, LeBron, Dirk, and Dwight. Oh, shit. Yeah. I don't know if y'all going to get this one. I kind of got you all in hell with this. Yeah.

Victor Oladipo, LeBron, Dirk, and Dwight. And Russ. This is how to send. I'm trying to center this around Dirk Because he played So somebody's been playing for a long time Is this Richard Jefferson?

No Damn, no Dwight Can be deceiving Because Dwight moved around a lot In his last couple of years So this is what I'm saying Dwight's irrelevant

We gotta focus this on Dirk Is this Um Last you know He was He was in the league then PJ Tucker didn't play with

Lebron And definitely didn't play with Dirk oh yeah you're right Dennis Smith didn't play with LeBron He played with Dirk Um Were Tyson Chandler and Dwight ever on the same team I don't think so

I guess it's not Tyson Chandler That's although Tyson General put a lot of these guys Yeah you did You're in the right era-ish Yep Yeah it's got to be somebody older That was either when Dirk's No prime

Or a young guy that they drafted When Dirk was in his later year Yeah Is this Not Jason Kidd Jason Kidd didn't play With the broad I can't count coaches

Huh Hmm This one has this in Hill Yeah I'll give you guys a hint It's not really a hint But they're not in the NBA anymore Great

Yep Do what you will I give up Was this No Was it Vince Carter? Nah That's a good guess though

Not Vince Carter This was I give up Darren Collinson Ah, you're an asshole We're never going to get that Yeah Ridiculous

All right I had to gauge how good y'all would be at this This one should be a little bit easier Okay Let's get it All right CP3 Yannis

LeBron, AD and Shaq Okay Jay Crowder No he didn't play with LeBron He did play with Marbaugh now He did Not with AD oh shack

yeah shack what the hell then yannis is kind of like a yeah shack and yannis yeah shack and yannis

that's different when i found that i was like ooh i like this one right here i hope your gears a moving minor stopped jack and yonis is crazy yeah this is harder

this is harder than i thought uh huh jamal crawford the hell uh who are these old fucks that Jack

I'm so bad at this game this game is hard this game is so hard damn give us a give us a hint we're never I get this one okay so I'm gonna I'm gonna give you guys a hint all right

this player he would he's in the same vein as whatever you think RJ Richard Jefferson is he's in the same vein as that okay that was clunkier hit

I've ever heard I don't want to give away too much it's pretty easy to yes is like Matt Barnes

or something no you're in a right track though okay so it's he played the

he played the four he played the four played the four fucking Robert Ory and I know it's on him played with Janus

it's supposed to be a young Janus yeah you're on on track but Janus teams yep I don't know

Young Janus He's gonna pull out David West Nah I wouldn't do y'all like that Now I wouldn't do y'all like that Young Yonis It's young It has to be young Yonis and old

He won a championship in the last few years obviously Oh he was all the championship team Yonis Oh Whoa I'm not saying necessarily with Yonis But he just won one All right So who are the old ring chasers?

I don't like this game anymore. All right, I give up. He was on the Lakers team, the Lakers' championship team. Is Rondo? No, I don't blame you for that. Rondo was never on a team with TP3. Oh, yeah, duh. He played on both L.A. teams.

He's a wing. Where is this? What? Man, who is this? Who is this? Jared Dudley. Ah Jared's another bald

It's an egghead He was in the same He's bald as fuck And he's a high player It's good game Okay Yeah I gotta make this game

A little bit easier Alright Alright let's save the other two He was running the one time Yeah That was good I like this It's my pick Jared Dudley

He ain't He happened It got our ass All right What's next on the video docket That one kicked my ass Yeah me to do my other two or you want me to save them oh yeah do the logo thing now oh my oh yeah let's do

go ahead and do the logos all right uh let me do the hook all right y'all audio listeners we're about to do a logo test so these logos will be popped up on your screen as i send them to is okay so here's the hook he's not telling you guys what it is we're gonna he's gonna show us and it be a logo and a variation of it and we got to decide which one is the real one so like the self-s see might be backwards or something like that exactly where the colors may be wrong you never know all right so which NBA logo was the real one cool let's hit this fuck is wrong my laptop I hope I'm better at this one than the last one you got to be you're terrible the last one oh well this was obvious it's the left one clearly

the first one the first one yeah that thick-ass yellow stripe what is this uh what is this Microsoft paint shit nice cool okay easy one I did you make this on Microsoft paint no the fuck I look like. What do I look like? Oh, my gosh. All right. All right, cool. Easy. Let's go to the next one. That's hilarious. This one looks so bad. I know. Had to start easy. This is also the first one. The first one, yeah. Nice. Okay, the first one. Y'all on a roll. What about this one? Ellie's been red. Okay, San Antonio Spurs. What's the difference here? Hey, wait, I haven't gotten it yet This looks like the same picture twice

He hasn't gone yet Hold on he, but yeah, continue Wait, okay, wait, I'm here, I'm here Okay, I'm here, I'm here. Okay, I said the same picture twice No, it's definitely not Oh, it's in the spur at the bottom Is it the second one? Does it have the black dot there? It's the second one

Correct Let's go W That one was way harder to see Yeah, W, all right What about? Y'all are running through this shit. What about this one? I like this game. This is my bag.

That one was super easy to miss. Cavaliers. Okay, what's where is this difference here? All right, let me see. First one. I feel like I'm looking at the same picture again. Oh, it's in the sword. It's the second one with the line. It's the, it's the second one. W. Correct.

Y'all are monsters. All right. What about? Do we know logos? Okay, C. O KC logo. All right, wait for it. Oh, it's the first one. There we go.

Those yellow ass strikes, what is that? Where are you getting these? Don't worry about where I'm getting these. I'm not right now my supplier. All right. Last one, I believe. This is a little bit too easy, but what about this one? Hmm.

All right, what could this one be? New York Knicks. okay I'm a be hurt where is the difference yeah what am I looking at yeah spot it out oh it's the it's the second one

oh it's the gray or orange in the background yeah it's the gray or orange in the background yeah it's the great one yeah it took you a little too long Isaac I guess it blends in I know my two

I know my two yeah that was for you yeah that was good we got one more video before you get out of here I have to use the bathroom like always the end of these shows and I got to go

Go to a hox game. Oh, yeah, comment, go to the hawks game. So here, comment, go to the hawks game. Next thing we're going to do is we're going to do a tier list, which you've been doing a lot, and you guys really seem to like it. This time, we're going to do a tier list of championship teams. That's before. In the last few years, perfect.

Yeah, yeah, over the last decade or so. So, let's put these NBA championship teams into a tier list. Yeah. Let's put these NBA championship teams into a tier list. Let's do it. First off, the 2017 Warriors. It's easy ass, right? Oh, my God. That's the greatest team of all time, S.

No one's stopping that. I agree. I just want to make sure we knew what the S bar was at. How about the 2016 Cavs? Are they A tier? That's an A. A tier. Easy A.

They're not perfect, but that version of LeBron and Kyrie is insanely hard to stop. Yeah, I mean, I don't think it'd be crazy if you said S, but all the way. Yeah. The 2019 Raptors. That's it. I want to say A? That's an A tier A tier

Yeah Okay I can see somebody's going B Because they played a hobbled warriors In the finals with injuries But I think that team was amazing So I'm gonna go A's well Fair

Yeah A for the win The 2021 bucks That would be a B tier I think that might be a C tier team Okay Cool Compared to the other finals teams

I think I'll go B I'll say if we're comparing them to other final teams That team had like a bottom 10 offense in the playoffs They were not an elite offense by any means I think you line them up with the 2019 Raptors Kauai is gonna do something to those that team Along with Bud Mike Boonehers are coaching them Yeah you might be right

Great team but compared to other championship rings Gotta be a C Yeah The 2014 Spurs I think that's an A That's at least an A Is that an S tier? I think S-tier

I think S-tier. Nobody has ever won Nobody has ever won the finals by a bigger margin than them. They have the biggest win-margin ever. That's crazy. Yeah, they did they dismantled the bronze most talented roster, arguably.

Yeah, maybe they should be S for that. Yeah, I won't go S-tier. Yeah, let's do S. I love their respect. Last up, last year's Warriors team. I'm going to see. It's B or C. I want to say

Let's be or C They're getting wiped Across the floor with all these teams I'll go I'll go see because listen Steph Steph carried them but like They they they don't have Outside of stuff they don't have that like top end talent

Like other like other championship team So I'll give them B Yeah another team that I think the 2019 Raptors would smoke so they can't be an A B's a little rich from my blood we can go see Yeah exactly was terrible in that series If I remember too so Yeah, I'm not mad at B though

Or somebody gets mad about that I think B's all right But listen man I stay at the show Woo Stay true to Atlanta folks So yeah if you're still here comment Mo go to that Cavs game

I mean go to that Hawks game Actually no I don't comment that I change their mind No they actually should Tell them the Hawks suck Come with the Hawks suck Hey whoa whoa Yeah

This is the war Write that down Show's over Write that down