The Deep 3 Podcast - Kevin Durant HATES The Brooklyn Nets | The Deep 3 Ep. 11

Episode Date: November 18, 2022

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There's no question what we have to start with. We have to talk about Shaggilder's Alexander. Bro, he's, I'm honestly speechless for how good he's, for how good he's been. Yeah, it's insane. Yeah, insane is a perfect way to put it. Like, there is no way to expect this type of start from him in any world. Even the people that are super high on him like us weren't expecting that. Yeah, I think everyone pretty much knows he was good and he belongs in every single conversation

when it comes to point guards like Darius Garland, Mello Ball, and things of that, But I think I could say conflict at least the last year the consensus was like for the most part They wouldn't take them as seriously and put them over guys like those Yeah, but now it's like not even in question For some reference for people who don't know currently Shay Gilges Alexander of the Oklahoma City Thunder is on the heater of a fucking lifetime He's averaging 32 points per game six assists and five rebounds and he's the only point he's the first guard since Michael Jordan to average 30 with less than three three point attempts per game and he's not shooting threes at all it's it's not bro he's

he's at 50 40 90 right now like it's it's the efficiency that he's doing it with the fact that he's hitting step back game winners every single night he should have had two game winners but loo dirt he's stupid and didn't know

you hate lu do it listen like because he's because he's interfering with shade's history right now like that's they could have want she had a game about like a week and a half ago against the bucks

Janice and draw out that game goes down to the wire She hits a step back three To put the to put the thunder up one And then Dort fouls Brooke Lopez With 0.6 seconds left on the clock Sends the game into overtime Thunder end up losing in double overtime Like the things that Shea has done

The clutch shots that he's hit so far this season It's clearly like put him on the fast track To be an all start this year And like let and finally take that jump We're talking about all NBA right now now with shea oh yeah this he's in today surely yeah yeah and we're talking about like all NBA I think more so I always knew he was a great offensive player but it's the defensive end where I think he took probably even and maybe an even bigger week we'll talk

about that I don't feel like I have a good grasp of what his defense has been like this year what are you what are you seeing for him on that end I just see tenaciousness and he's actually using his big lengthy frame like he's supposed to bro yeah he just do he just he's I I feel like there's a lot more seriousness and more pride in his game right now. And he's just more aggressive as a defender. He just cares a lot more. And I think he's always had the necessary tools and correct fundamentals to be a great defender. Coming out of college, no one ever called that out as a weakness for him whatsoever.

You know, it was a thing that was known to me or supposed to be eventually his strength. And now he's turned that corner and now that's like a big part of his game as well and his team team. For sure. Yeah, obviously it's not. It's not everything about defense, because the most important part of defense is, like, stuff that doesn't show up in the stat sheet. But right now, he's top 10 in the NBA and steals, which is, like, surprising for him, because being on a tanking team, like, OKC, it's pretty hard to try on defense for most years. And this year, like, you're saying, he's finally doing it, and you're trying to see that. Like, that's been the biggest thing is that the level of play he's shown is kind of, like, taking them out of the running for being, like, an absolute tank job.

You know what I mean? Like, he's forcing them to actually play serious basketball, which is, like, a good sight to see. And it's not just the steals. The biggest jump defensively, like numbers-wise, comes with the blocks. Because he's, like, been around, like, 0.5.7. Oh, 1.4, geez. He's at 1.4 blocks right now at the guard position. Like, that's the crazy jump.

That's what you're seeing all of that tenacity that most talking about on the defensive end. And you're right. Like, they can't take it anymore. That's dead. You know what's interesting, too? He's clearly trying harder on defense in a way we've never seen him do. But he's doing that while also having one of the highest, the highest usage rates in the NBA.

Like he's up there with a Luca Donchich, Trey Young type usage rate. Like it's 35%, which is like top 10 in the NBA. Like everything's running through him. So we'll see if he can keep up that level effort on both ends. But right now he's like up there as those few players that have an imprint on the game on every possession,

both sides of the court. Now that's pretty fucking rare. Yeah. Listen, he got the, he's going to get the player of the month, right? Like this November is going to be Shea's month. I, what all NBA team do you guys think that he's going to end up on?

Because I kind of think that he's low-key on the path to get up to the first team. I mean, first is going to be Luke and Steph. Make that clear. It's going to be Luke and Steph. It's Luke and stuff. I think he can challenge. I think he might be able to challenge Steph for first team right now. I guess, but Steph's team is going to, like, we're going to talk about them later,

but the Warriors are going to, like, get out from the bottom of the conference. So, like, record-wise, Steph is still Steph. he's going to get first team. Yeah. But it's not going to be like a blowout. If this keeps up, which is a big if because it's, you only see him do this for 15 games, if he remains like a near 30 point score on a great efficiency, he'll be second team. I think you're right.

Yeah, absolutely. I don't think that's crazy to say at all. But like I don't really see an avenue for him to be for a team like you said, Isaac, unless like Steph was, God forbid, was to go through some type of injury, which could happen. The last time we saw him hauling ass and absolute camera. his team was the year 2020 and that's when they got the second or third overall pick and landed James Wiseman and that was just a past year of graph like so we're going to go over and later but I don't see a visible way for Shay to do this but regardless or not first team second team even

if he makes the first team which I would bet my money on that he makes probably so wait so you're he meant to say you know he meant to say if he makes an all NBA team he'll bet money he'll make that Yeah, I'll bet money that's on 13. Oh, okay. Yeah, he's, I think, like, we're past the point of, like, is he going to be one of the six-spex guards? Because I think if he, if he stays, like, at 80% of what he is, he's going to be one of the six-best guards, especially because, and again, we're going to talk, we're going to talk about this later. But there's another guard in the east that's been, there's been dropping off. There's been, there's been, there's been some movement.

She's going to be able to, he's going to be able to slide into that role. at least on the 13. What's it called? Aside from forecasting in the future, because like I said, we don't know if he's going to keep this up. I want to talk about like what's made this level of play so interesting,

like what's causing him to make this leap because we can just talk about, oh, he's making 50, 40, 90 efficiency, but like the more interesting part to me is what's changing his game. Like I mentioned, he's the first guards in Jordan to average this many points

with less than three three point attempts. And it's not even just that he's like taking his normal amount of threes, which has never been high. He's taking less than last year. Like he's taking, add the numbers written down, 12% of his shots are threes

Last year it was 24%. So he's literally taking half as many threes That's a massive drop-off And so who do you think Is the best guard in the NBA In terms of drives per game and efficiency? I would assume it's Shane I would say

She and Jha. It's either Luka or Starr. Normally you would think Jah Moran in terms of volume, right? So he's taking the same amount of drives per game as Jha a little bit more he's taking 25.1 per game. And he's shooting 55% on these drives

while Jha shoots 48%. Yeah. So, like, think about that. You know Jha as being like one of the most tenacious, efficient drivers in the game from the guard position. And Shea is shooting 8% better from there. That's ridiculous. Yeah. It's funny though, because I don't like, and again, I'm not trying to like hate on Jai or anything.

I don't think of him as some like efficient, you know, driver. Yeah, I mean. Like, where I think of Jha, the thing is like, oh, he's just going to go to the rim. all game long and that that's what it is with she i guess because he's not as as explosive you can see like the crafty finishes around the rim you can see the the reverses he has like some euro step where his tempo starts slowing up like yeah it it gives predictable in the pain yeah that's the that's the best word to use yeah and you can really see like the complete finishing

package with him once he gets down he's just shifty yeah he's like slippery like he has a slithery finish your badge on hall of fame yeah it's like so his game is so weird and i don't i don't ever expect him one thing that does help him in like him being marketable as an NBA player is the fact that he's straight up Canadian like if you Canadian you can hoop you got it made for you in the NBA bro do you but i don't know where that yeah is that a thing yeah who yeah they got yeah what can he's a series love sold like that yeah what canadians are being sold like that yeah yeah it's like what what was the pattern I would say guys like Andrew Wiggins

Anthony Anthony Bennett he got a lot of love Did I say Anthony Bennett? Was that his name? It's been a minute Are we talking about Anthony Bennett right now? Yeah, Canadians who get a lot of love From Canada?

Is that you're saying? Yeah. Oh, okay, yeah, you're right. Yeah, Canadian NBA fans definitely ride for their guys. I thought you meant to the NBA. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, okay.

Yeah, you're right, you're right. Yeah. Yeah, okay. So, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. But, like, as we were describing, having Shay's game it's just really it's sexy to watch but at the same time it's not what you're used to watching because you are used to the traditional super very different you can shoot from dumb deep or you're like stupid athletic and he's neither of those things none of those things a hundred percent like the common trend in guards these days of like the elite of the elite is these like people call it hudio eccentric now i think set part now coined the term have these guards who can be your go-to score and go-to playmaker and create everything for the team. Shea is almost in the mold of like a wing, like almost like Jason Tatum. Shea and Jason Tatum are kind of like keeping this old tradition alive of these

bigger wing, big guard types of players that will just dominate by being an absolutely unstoppable score in every position. Do you know they're getting a bucket and that gravity they create is going to be what makes you make them make their team go? Like the old, you know, Tracian Grady model, Carmelo Anthony. Shea's keeping that alive as a point guard, which is crazy. Philosophically, and this is this is very interesting. And I really want to know what you guys think. Would you rather have a guard like that to where your offense is heliocentric? Or would you rather have your best player be in that Shea, Jason Tatum range,

where you know that they're like, they have pretty good playmaking, but they're just an absolute bucket. And then you can kind of fill in what you need with everybody else. I'd rather have the playmaker. I mean, you know, like I'd rather have Luke good than Shea. Like I'd rather have the person that has playmaking and scoring. But if you're at this level of scoring with this type of efficiency, and like a normal scoring guard that is scoring first only has so much of a ceiling

like Devin Booker will probably be a top 10 player in the league but if Shea plays like this and this is like what we're seeing from versus peak he can challenge that type of thing you know if you can be a 30 plus point per game score like you have to be super efficient like he's doing now and it allows you to have the same type of ceiling as the playmakers does that not scare does that not scare you though because we've seen with we've seen with guys like Luca and with Hardin that once you get into the playoffs just the fatigue of having to be on and have the entire offense

right for sure for sure right like so like for you that's just that's just the price you're willing to pay is that your star might fizzle out in the playoffs because you have this offense turning through them well I'm sure but that's more of like a coaching like a philosophy thing like a style yeah and that's that's what I was asking

it's more it's more of like this like overarching philosophical type of thing sure but I'd rather have those players I'd rather have that player because you can still plug him into a normal like share the ball system but they have the ability to still be the playmaker like she's not a good passer you know what i mean like he's just like solid he's on above average playmaker yeah i think playmaking still matters it's just he's showing that you can elevate yourself if you're scoring is that nice but i'd rather have a guy that can play make still

absolutely just adds way to me way more way many more said way many more had to weigh more sues and layers just like almost a cake i love me some cake i love things that have layers bro nice i love things to have layers bro my mind was this i'm kind of hungry sorry guys but yeah bro i'm i'm what isa 10 000 percent of the time when it comes to what type of player what style of offense what i'd rather prefer but that's no like knock or anything like that to say i love to say i love to have someone like him on my team 10 000 percent of the time yeah it's just great to see that we're seeing if things keep up it's a big if you don't want to overreact too much but appreciating the player in the moment it's nice to see someone like a young

player who've always had a lot of hope for everyone always talks about like chaise up next it's nice to see him finally get his time and kind of, you know, make that star leap into the upper echelon. So my question to you is, could be a potential TikTok. Do you think the Los Angeles Clippers regret the Paul George trade? Oh, uh, it depends how Kauai's health goes. Maybe a little bit, but they probably regret it, but they would do it again because, you know, getting Kauai's worth it. Yeah. That's, that's very, yes, I think they, I think they do. When you trade for Paul George and Kauai and you make this whole big swing the expectation is championships and they have not they haven't made a finals and they they've they've blown a three one league they've had Kauai out for

two years it just hasn't gone the way that it's gone they've spent all this money doing it um so yes I think that they regret it in hindsight because it hasn't worked out but I bet if you ask them again they would take that chance and hope it works out 10 times over you know what I mean like you're getting Paul George and Kauai you're setting yourself up well if you get unlucky you get unlucky but you got to make that chance absolutely i like those answers because a lot of people like that's like a similar question to when people ask like oh like when people are starting a question the whole anthony davis trade or whatever it's like dude you already won but for the lakers it's an already easy question to answer because they literally already won and for the clippers

they're not completely out of possibility to win within the next few years at all it's just interesting now seeing people like double think that and call that all this is one of the worst trades like in nbba history this might go down i guess in hindsight i mean i mean It was a good process. It didn't work out. It doesn't work out. It's not one of the worst trades. It's one of the, it's one of the, it's one of the most, like, overpriced.

Like, they definitely paid, like, 100% overpaid to go get Paul George. Like, I don't think you would ever get a haul like that. This is a two-for-one, basically, though, though. You can always say that in hindsight, though, because, like, injuries, it hasn't worked out. But that doesn't mean it was a bad process. You know what I mean? It's still, it's still a high price. like even if something is of like extreme value you there's still a line where you're like

hey like you probably paid a little bit too much for that and like yeah about what they did it was it was pg and kawai you know what i mean like it wasn't just for pg like it was to get him and kawai as a package deal like i think it was fine value that's the price of kawai too if you weren't willing to give if you're being a pig stingier then that trade and that whole trade falls through and then they're stuck to continue being mediocre and who knows of shay continues to develop to develop to the point guard he has said it because like i'm sure we all know cp3 he had a heavy influence into his game and i'm not saying that cp3 made him or anything like that but i'm sure that he's picked up a couple things to go ahead and help him speed up this process you know so

great influence i would do it again if i was up to l a what'd you say yeah for sure i see yeah i was agreeing cp3 is a great influence i have in your locker room for a young guard a hundred percent but yeah chase him chase him for sure i'm glad we got got that i got the Shay talk over with. It was definitely something that was like on tip my tongue, had to talk about this. But welcome back to episode 11 of the Deep Three podcast. We're here talking about

Shea Gilders-Alexander, some teams that have been disappointing, some players have been disappointing, and a little bit more. But first, we got to do what we always do and we've got to react to your eyes as NBA hot takes. Let me hear some hot trash. Let's go for you.

Hot trash. We got some decent ones this week. That's what I'm saying. You love being mean to everybody's hot takes. Absolutely. I advocate for bullying. I'm so dead ass, bro. Bullying our fans. Let's go.

Okay. First one. Hooper says that Russ is better than CP3 all time. No. Oh, yeah. Ooh. Russ is better than CP3 all time? Yes.

Yes. Why not? What's the case for CP3? I just think CP3 has been a better basketball player. It's just a better basketball player. It's just impacted winning more. I get it Russ has the accomplishment with the MVP

I understand if that's really what ways are for you but I think over a body of work stats Okay the volume of stats is in Russ's favor But impact to winning And the stats that matter favor CP I think I would take Okay

I think I would take peak Russ Over peak over peak CP3 But I would take CP3's career Over Russes I'm easily taking peak CP3 over peak Russ. Even Peak Rush, where he's a stats machine, I think it's so much easier to play winning basketball around CPE and build a contender with that style of playing in the playoffs. It's not even a question for me. Well, see, I don't feel that like 2016, 2017. I don't feel like

that's peak Russ. I think that's like, I don't, I think peak Russ is the two years leading up to it. The year, the year that they blew the 3-1 lead, that was the best year of Russell Westbroke. I think the year after that, that is, hey, obviously, like, like Durant left, you go and do you and have your like revenge season. The year prior, he had probably turned into like the best passes that he had been. Like the decision making was starting to get there. That's what I think peak Russ is. Yeah.

I'm definitely going to go ahead and lean with CP3, but I do not want anybody to think that this isn't a no-brainer. Like Russ, I think he deserves to be in this conversation. Yeah, people are going to go ahead and disrespect him because of the prior season that he had with the And that just can't happen. So I'm taking CPD, though. It's definitely understandable either way you vote it. Yeah. All right, next one.

Jordan H says that Kevin Garnett was a better player than Kobe Bryant. All right, now. All right, no. All right, now. This is real nasty. You're funding for Kevin Garnett over Kobe, bro? In broad daylight, you realize he's probably... Honestly, it's probably closer than most people will want to admit.

But it is Kobe. Kobe was at his peak. For the area he was in, the style of play that Kobe played, it was necessary to win a championship. With the offenses where the offenses were nearly as efficient and nearly as smooth as today, you need those guards that can make tough shots and playoff scenarios. And Kobe's self-creation, which just outweighs anything KG

brought in the defensive end. That was better than Kobe. Come on, man. I don't know a soul who would take KG or Kobe. You're tricking. L. Come on, man. I forgot to say the hook.

Let me know if these NBA hot takes are a W or an L. Ash says The Warriors should trade Clay and Green before it's too late That's the right thing to do There's Man It is clear

There is one player In that organization Who is a lifer And that is Steph Curry Dremont Green lost his title When he punched Jordan Pool in the face And Clayton They gave Clay the max

Even though that he was hurt For two years They've done right by Exactly They've done right him you guys have your jersey retired you guys can come back retire a warrior

get out of here though you got you got to save Stephs the last three years of Steph's career or however long he has while he's playing like this the only thing I don't think for me is what are they going to get for them Clay looks like shit right now

Draymont everybody knows his his level of every knows he's not being productive for that many more years like I don't know what the value is worth it for them hmm you can yeah you don't think you don't think You don't think anybody would give a first for Clay? No.

Maybe a tanking team, but not even a tanking team. That was not, yeah. I don't know anybody who would proudly, quickly, without any hesitation, give a first for play. The problem is the salary. Nobody that would give up a first for him, contenders, have the matching salary to make it worth it, you know what I mean? Because he's making a lot of fucking money. So if you're the bucks and you said, oh, Clay's going to make this unstoppable, to match a

max salary for them, you have to give up a max player because they don't have the middle ground salaries to know what I mean yeah yeah realistically probably not if you take that huge ass contract to everyone that I think you can convince a lot of teams to go ahead and do that because he's just one of the great issues of all time he just has that type of respect why why you put that in quotes he is he's not playing that right I know I know he's not that right now so I that's why I put that in quotes you know but he he is he deserves that respect but I think the wars are generally are genuinely cooked because I feel I'm one of those people who firmly believe that

they should have traded James Wiseman the day that that they drafted him traded away comminga and moody the second they had that opportunity because now everyone probably realizes like yo we'll talk more about them later we'll talk what's the topic later yeah okay we're gonna get a i'm gonna say that for here but don't know okay well that's all the hot things we got w take yeah yeah l take you can't do that that's out of respect it's the law but you can't do that i just don't think the value go back is worth it You say everything's law. It's not law.

You get a hell of laws. Okay. Next thing we're going to talk about is one of the biggest stories the past few days. We talked about them a lot, but we've got to talk about the Nets again. Specifically, it was reported that the team is kind of losing faith in Ben Simmons. And it was weird because Shams were that story reporting that, but he interviewed Ben Simmons in the story. So he had, like, a chance to defend himself. And he was basically like, yeah.

I'm playing disappointing right now. Like, I understand what they're talking about, but, like, I'm a hooper and I'll get back to being me. And then plus, there was Kevin Durant's interview where he was basically like, look who I'm playing with. This team sucks. We're only competitive because I'm on the court, and everybody knows that.

He said, look who I'm playing with. And then he went on to go ahead to list these dudes by first and last name. He's like, what do you expect we to do? Like, he basically said, I'm basically playing with a bunch of 55 overall doo-do brown shirts. You expect me to win?

You out of your mind. He said, do you even know who Edmund Summner is? Yeah, he said Edmund Summers, bro. I go, if you were one of those teammates, how would you feel, bro? If I'm Nick Clackson, I'm taking all offense for that. All offense. Yeah, but you can't feel good, right? No, you can't feel good.

And listen, we don't have to have the Kevin Durant referendum today. But this is clearly one of the things that I will be using against Kevin Durant in further arguments. We add it to the agenda, load it up. Yeah. As for Ben, we're talking about it, honestly. We can talk about it. What do you want to get into? What do you want me to say?

Honestly, we can talk about the fact that I love Kevin Durant. I love him as a person, his honesty. But as a teammate, you have certain responsibilities as the best player in your team and leadership qualities that he's always said, that's not me, I'm not a lead, don't ask me to be that. Fine. You don't have to be a leader. You can be a quiet Leonard and you can lead by example and be quiet. But when you throw people under the bus like this constantly, you're saying my teammates are trash.

My coach is trash. I want to be traded. Like, at a certain point, you're just, it's almost like a negative president. in the same locker room right yeah i think i think i think at this i think at this point yeah it's like yeah like but it's it's very interesting how his personality fit like in everything that that you described fits perfectly into the way that his game is because like durrant is the most malleable superstar we've ever seen you can put him into any system you know exactly what you're going to get you're going to get 28 points a night on 16 shots 50 40 90 efficiency and that's just that

and it's just like okay here it is like this is kevin durant personality wise you're not even getting this like tim duncan ask oh yeah i'll allow myself to be coached for the greater good you're just like hey like i'm i'm kevin derrant you guys just have to understand like i'm gonna get buckets i'm a show up to work and go home and yeah i can respect that if that's what it was it was just that like i'm just gonna that's what kawai leonard is i'm a do me and i'm gonna keep to myself don't expect me to be a leader but when he's doing things that's what he's doing things that negatively impact his team morale-wise like we're not in the locker room i'll say that we don't know for sure maybe everyone understand that this is just kevin it's not a big deal we

don't have but yeah but go ahead go ahead and it looks like a toxic presence exactly you don't have to be in a locker room even if things are good in the locker room you just set a you just set it you just set your teammates of failure to go ahead and answer tough questions you just put this negative energy just gray-ass dark cloud over the brooklyn net that just continues that's exactly what it is he doesn't help he's not helping the case at all and if you're not going to help it he's just making it worse yeah like the situation's been bad he's been dealt a shit hand by deciding to partner with kairie and the nets and nothing's going well for him so i understand frustration but like you're saying he's just he's just like not doing his job as a

leader to you know quell that frustration he's just laying it out there and making the dark cloud which is just not what you want you know what but guess what whose idea was it to go get Tyree. Oh, for sure. Yeah, he's reaping what he's sewed. That's what I'm saying. Like, you're going to have to step up at a certain point. And what's funny to me about Durant in, I guess two years ago when the Bucks ended up

winning the championship. And Durant has that stretch against the Bucks in the playoffs series. And he has that insane game five. We have like 49. He has like a 49 point triple double. And it was like the first time that we've seen Durant do that. And everyone's like giving him all these flowers and everything. And I remember I remember telling you, Isaac, I say congratulations.

For one night Kevin Durant has done, right? Durant's been asking his entire career to be the number one guy. And for one night in his career, he finally lived up to what LeBron's been doing for the last 20 years. He's finally done what the best player has done. And he hasn't done it since. He hasn't done it since. He can go in here and have three game stretches where everything is fine and dandy. and then he goes and gets destroyed by 32 to the Sacramento Kings

and then and then says like oh well I'm just playing with Emin Summer come you're you're at the you're at the tail end of your career you're just trying to go out here and get buckets I told you two weeks ago that I'm out on on the Nets because of all the drama that they had Kevin Durant's adding more to it I'm even further out on the Nets and there's no way that they're winning a championship let alone are we even are we going to see another playoff series win from Brooklyn in the in the I'm sure.

At this point, probably not. Probably not. This year, I doubt it. Because, like, probably not because of, because of what we've transitioned to now, because of the Ben Simmons thing. Like,

we talked about the Shams article. Apparently people inside are losing faith in him, I can tell you for certainty. It's probably Kevin Durant, right? Absolutely. Like, it's, Kevin Durant didn't name drop Ben Simmons in the article

because he understands the tepidness of the situation. I guarantee you he doesn't have faith in Ben Simmons right now. From everything we know about Kevin Durant, he probably hates playing of Ben Simmons for everything we know. it's not a good situation absolutely he was supposed to could you imagine trading away i'm assuming

kd was like great friends with someone like james hardin imagine going ahead doing away with one of your best friends to go ahead and have a former number one overall pick come to your team and he's supposed to be a seamless plug and play fit who can do all of the things that james hardin cannot do and aid you and assist you in certain ways that no that you've never played with anybody not in your career, but he can just do things that you really need help with. And he's not doing any of that to the highest degree that we know. Bro, he's playing like, you can put 45-year-old Ney-Nay out there and he'd be more efficient than Ben Simmons. Holy shit, bro. I could put up Alfook Aminu, bro, and he'll do more than fucking Ben Simmons. Are you crazy? It's crazy because I was, I'm sure

as you guys remember, a very staunch Ben Simmons supporter coming into this year. My whole thing was, I'm not going to be the first one to write him off. Like, people are giving me so much slack. He missed a year. We don't know what he's going to look like. Everyone is soon. because he hadn't played, he was just ass now. And I was like, let's give him a chance. Maybe he's given some time, some runway to get back in, back, get the game under his feet and whatnot. He's had some runway. He fucking sucks.

At a third point, I was going to say, he fucking sucks right now. Yeah. Yeah, no, one of the most, bro, one of the most irritating things to play with. One of the most irritating type of players to play with is players who are not looking at the basket whatsoever because you're blowing so many opportunities and you're not only making. life harder just in general for yourself but for the rest of the team is just a nasty as stench and now teams are guarding your old different type of way now yep it's literally four and five it's literally four on five basketball because they don't let's talk about why though

they don't they don't they don't worry let's talk about why he looks like shit though because it's so easy to just be like he's going his season high is 11 points he's ass but specific reasons why so obviously got to be sensitive about it because a big part of it's clearly a mental thing for him like you talked about he's scared to shoot So that's whatever that is You know there's always a lot of Ugly conversations around Ben Simmons's mental health This is part of it

But also he just doesn't move like he used to He looks stiff as fuck Because back and he just are caught up to him When he dribbles the ball He used to look like he runs like a gazelle in transition Now he looks like an old man dribble in the ball You know what I mean? He doesn't get his low when he dribbles

Yeah I can agree to that He doesn't get his low when he dribbles He's not as like I don't see much acceleration Or as much acceleration in burst And he's only like what 25, 27 six years old or something like that young yeah which is crazy and maybe it'll be a thing like

where it takes him a year to like get back to some semblance of his old self but that's a big assumption like right now it looks like he's lost athleticism at least for the time being and combine that which is probably a big reason why his confidence is shot because you know if you're used to playing a certain way and you come back and you're just not physically capable of doing those things you were once capable of mentally that's hard to have that confidence you know what I Yeah. And it's not only, listen, he sat out a majority of last year with a back injury, but in the story that with Shams, he's talking about getting PRP shots in his knee. And so you have every part of your body that's not, that's not like, you know, capable of doing whatever. And if we go back to it, if you're struggling, it has to be even worse whenever the environment around you is not conducive to just say like, hey, we'll give, we'll give, we'll give. We'll give. give you time we we traded all these assets to to go get you we're going to allow you just a little bit more in leeway like we're not even at we're not we're not at thanksgiving right

everybody says that the NBA season starts at Christmas we're not at Thanksgiving and this entire team has given up on Ben Simmons so that aspect is not good but on top of that too but Ben got to give him something you got to look at you got to look at the basket right it's a two-way street you got to do something for sure also what makes it tough is that like everybody is on his dick all the time. Like that must be so frustrating that you're struggling, you're trying to get back under you, and everybody in the media just ride your dick nonstop.

And like, nobody does this to Jamal Murray who started off struggling, which granted he looks better now. It's just because Ben Simmons and because he did himself partly, like by forcing his way out of a playoff team and causing drama. So it is partly his fault. But regardless,

it must be so frustrating to have these confidence issues, these physical issues, and just be under a microscope all the time. it's like him and westbrook are the most dick road players right now in terms of everybody's just constantly on their ass absolutely and i mean like it just it's it's sad and it sucks to see and now this also just raises a random question who has the worst contract in the entirety of the nbio ben simmons in my mind has to be damn near number one if not number one right now yeah because at one point it was john wall but that's done now he's about minimum deal.

But John Wall's even better than fucking Ben right now, dog. Oh, everyone's better than Ben right now. Yeah, bro, fuck. Yeah, I would say, if he looks like this, I'm not going to say right now, because, like, it is still a small sample size. If he looks like this for the rest of the year, this is who Ben Simmons is,

it's easily him. Yeah, bro. Could you, what tough? Just a super depressing moment, and I feel like all Nets fans right now are just waiting for the inevitable, and I just, bro, they're just too much turmoil and they're just

slowly waiting for the building just to completely collapse and they go into their un, what's that word I'm looking for? I don't know, but unavoidable, fucking inevitable restart and yeah, inevitable restart to what they had going on back in a

back, what, almost 10, over, I think 10 years ago now basically when they had, when they're rocking out guys like, what's the name, Greg Velasquez or something like that and a whole bunch of this fast guys? Yeah, grievous vast. Quest, yes.

Oh, this man, is racist. You're right of Alaska's. He was a person who came to his mind. He didn't care. No, I was pretty close. I was pretty close. But, don't. They're about to hit into those,

they're about to go back into those dark ages of you. No, you're right. Yeah. And it's, it sucks. Without their picks, which is tough. It sucks, bro. You're right.

We're just counting down the days so Katie requests a trade again. That's the inevitable outcome. Sucks to suck. Sucks to not be the best. in New York and it's so sad and it's so sad because like just a couple of years ago like when all three of their guys were healthy Kyrie Hart and Katie they were in my mind they were playing unstoppable basketball oh yeah we can't let Donovan slide he's talking about the best team in

New York and like that was mid-ass nicks do we need to get into the Knicks right now the nicks are mid as fuck like you can talk about the nicks he wants to gloat like that's team sex that's fine yeah I don't go ahead and tell well how's RJ Barrett doing max on to Max on to Max contract on RJ right now. How is he doing right now? Not good. I said, I said best team in New York. Did I, does that mean a good overall basketball team? Does that mean a playoff contending basketball team? No, that means that we are better. That means that we are better than the Brooklyn Nets. That is the only thing that matters right now because we are in the most mid era of New York Knicks basketball. The most, the first, through the first 10 games of the season, the NICs were

five and five. They had five wins against teams under 500. They had, and they had, and they had five losses against teams over 500 this is this is the middle and yeah the nicks are listen i don't want to talk with the next too much tom tibito's going to get fired i can tell you we're counting on the days he's out of there easy easy he's his time his time is on the way they're probably looking for for places to send julius randall and trying to figure out how how to make this this brunson you know bear back court work um but it's not it's not fun it's not like overly fun right now but it is what it's going to be the 25th best defense in the league and have no chance of getting better only fun that they have is

reaching out for hope and just frame for and just daydreaming having wet and wet dreams or about the day that obitop and starts in Quentin Grime goes off what they have is wet nightmares about what could have been if they would have traded for Donovan Mitchell like a smart team yeah what could have been yeah that's so rough bro it's enough negativity let's move on to a team that has been positive right now we got to talk about Sacramento Kings oh no I'm still being negative what of course okay what are you talking don't what were your expectations for the keys to start off the season listen tell me you guys

I'm gonna let you guys you guys go ahead no I want to hear you first no I want to hear you fine no I'll be the negative one and I'll say why I don't like the kings and then you guys can tell me why they've been good I don't like the kings because they remind me exactly of who the Charlotte Hornets were last year where they are a fun league pass team but in terms It's being like a good basketball team, that's not like really in the cards for them. They run really fast. They score a lot of points. They can't guard anybody.

And literally, if you look at who the Hornets were post-all-Star break last season, they were second in offensive rating only to the Boston Celtics. And then defensively, they were 21st in defense. The Kings this year, second in offensive rating, only to the Boston Celtics. defensively they're 26 they run they run up and down the court this looks like an a u team it looks like it looks like a jba team and that's all that that's exactly why they're so fun bro it doesn't matter no one seriously are you crazy who's seriously banking on the sacramento teams to make point to make noise in the playoffs are you for right now no one cares about none of that shit it's all about vibes they've been having one of the worst vibes

in the entire NBA over the past 16 years years just absolutely no motion they're the they were the definition of no motion bro we just want excitement we want some type of culture and i'm over here talking like a fan when i generally don't give two shits about them generally don't care about but i just like seeing people and things overcome a big ass hurdle and that's what they've done over the last what 15 games oh whoopty do let's throw a parade you want you finally won six games like if your team was as down bad as the sacramanoo kings you'd be having a fucking parade right now dog A parade.

What are you talking about? All I want to say is, Good for them. All I want to say is, we need to give Kavon Herder his flowers. Ah, yes. That man is top five in the NBA in three-point volume. He's taking 95-3s before yesterday's game.

I don't know what it is now. And he's shooting over 50% from three. Fuck. Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck. You tell him you the Atlanta Hawks went ahead. And we, bro. We got bogey, bro. We got boogie.

We basically, like, swapped white men with the Sacramento. Kings. We got the older one who can't move who has no motion and he has a cooked-ass knee. Seeing Kevin but that man is thriving. And the fact that Kevin is thriving is like such a symbol of what's made the king so good this year. Like right now they're just

raining hell from three. Like they're by far first in the NBA and three point volume. 40% of their shots are coming from three. And a big reason for that is Kevin shooting 50%. But they've just been utterly ridiculous. Like when they have Dierran Fox and Sabonos on the floor together, their offense it's just on a whole other level.

Like, they have a hundred and twenty-one offensive rating with them together. Crack! Crack! That's what they're offensive is, bro. But they also have a 112 defensive rating. Who cares? They're positive. They're plus 10, which is fantastic, because their offense is right now unsustainably good.

Yeah. But their defense is pretty bad. I'm happy for them, bro. Literally just a couple, maybe last week, actually, Tyrese Halliborne hopped on the JJ Reddit podcast and he was talking about how the Sacramento Kings had like absolutely like, No culture and now it's starting to build bro just a just a couple hours ago Donovan went ahead Don't do that you were the one over here screaming beam team in the in the in the in the TikTok comment

section right just a couple hours ago exactly so fine name another team doing that right now I sent I sent that TikTok to the to the group chat because it made me laugh because the aloe black in the back was absolutely it was just it was hilarious I love those tick to secondly you're talking about a team building culture yes after four wins Come on, you're a hater for real. Wow, bro. Do you know who you are? You're a Knicks, what are you talking about right now?

If anything, you should be, you know what I think it is? I think you're jealous and I think you're envious of them right now. That's what I think it is. You would kill for DeMontasabonis to be on the Knicks. You would absolutely kill. You would kill. Be real. You would trade the firstborn child for Deere and Fox.

These guys are seven, they're seven and six, right? Their wins have come. They beat in Brooklyn under 500. Golden State under 500. Lakers under 500. They got a very good win. They got a very good win against Cleveland. Orlando under 500.

Charlotte, under 500. Miami, under 500. They, they... No, that says to me, they're doing what they're supposed to do. Yeah, exactly. The first to build a competent team is beating the teams you're supposed to be...

And listen, that's cool. Can we get to Thanksgiving before we started talking about, oh, they're building a culture? This is the Sacramento Kings, guys. They're going to mess it up. They're going to mess it up. This is what they do. We're just saying they're a fun, eight scene.

Yeah, I love them, bro. I love watching them. They're not building a contender, but they're building something when they previously had nothing. So it's been a positive sign. Speaking about nothing, and this is probably a good connection

because we were just talking about the Sacramento Kings. Let's go ahead and talk about the Hawks. Ironically enough, since we let's wrong with Trey Young. Oh, my fucking. You couldn't wait till I chill shit off. You were ordered to say. We need to talk about Trey Young.

The Hawks have been incredibly good so far. But Trey Young has been incredibly bad. At some point, this Maddenneson remember how to make shots. I think my camera died. He's shooting 38% from the field. He's shooting 38% from the field and 30.8% from three. Trey Young, Mr. Steph Curry 2.0, shooting 30.8% from three. Mo, please tell me, as the resident Hawks fan, what is wrong with your boy?

I rep the Hawks proud. And he's just going through it right now. I think he had a black eye He can't see perfectly He just had a baby He'd be staying up late nights Donovan you should be you know what I'm saying You should be able to understand

With those types of things Why I don't have a child What I'm pulling a shit out my ass I don't know I don't know I don't know bro I honestly think it's on a serious No he's never played

So much off ball And it's sort of like this Since he was like in middle school Or yeah middle school dead ass bro when he was in high school straight hooper had the ball on his hands like 90% of the time college same as that thing for sure you're in the hawks same exact thing and now he's off the ball so much to the point to where it's really hard for him to go ahead and find his rhythm on a consistent basis and also you make it even harder to find a rhythm

where you're just passing the ball and you stand five feet away from the three point line with your hands on your waist just looking at what dezante is doing on the on the court bro and I think I don't I blame Tray Young because like at the end of day bro you just have to make shots and he he has that ability to do so and I'm not too worried about that two three weeks from now I imagine him going on a fucking a bastard type of tear he's just gonna kill it I just see it bro I see it more so I'm with you blame the coach fuck the coach fuck Nate oh wow I hate him I hate him so much yeah I'm not worried about Tray Young's three point shooting it's 31% right now like he's a career 39% shooter that's just gonna be positive positive regression to the mean, that's going to happen. What is a little bit concerning is he's shooting 44% at the rim. Oh my goodness. It's embarrassing.

But that's like by far the worst in the NBA for a volume score. That doesn't make sense. And it's probably because they have no fucking shooting on their team. Because like you alluded to, they got rid of Kevin and brought him Dejante, who's not a floor spacer. But all this being said, you know what's weird as hell? So they have the 20th offense in the NBA.

Last year they were like second or something like that. They were an elite offense for a couple years with Trey. their offense is 13 points per 100 possession is better with trey young on the court with trey young on the court with trey young on the court and with dejante murray on the court it's two points worse yeah so we gotta talk about that because trey young is an absolute worst and he still makes them massively better than when he's on the bench yeah which doesn't make sense but when you think about the dynamic of these two guards it kind of does because de jante's has better numbers right now he's playing better because of what I told you was going to happen in the off season, he needs the ball in his hands, right? He doesn't, he's not a floor spacer, no real dynamic off ball presence. And he's not great with the ball

on his hand. He's not an elite playmaker. He's really good. He's above average, sub-all-star level, but he's not Trey Young. And when you make this guy be the center of your offense, or not center, because Trey Young still has incredibly high usage, but when you make him like 1-A-1B of your offense, you're getting the ball out of your elite playmaker's hands too much to the point where you're basing around the guy who's worse and gives you less of an offensive ceiling and that's what you're

exactly and i and i put a lot of the blame on someone like nake mcmillan because he just this is just a very rudimentary approach i think it's his fault i think it's travis link's fault for making the trade for a guard no absolutely i don't know that was a genuinely good trade if you can't name an other instance and you can't name it under it's not where cherry young is shooting this bad early into the season and the hawks being this high in the easy carvers no no no other you know that happens okay okay look You do that trade again. It's the coach and it's the system and it's how we're using everyone else around him.

We have John Collins. John Collins is not doing shit on the offensive event. And we're trying paying him $25 million a year. You know why? You know why? Because just like Trey Young, he has to watch Devonté, he has to watch a Jonté dribble. Like, he has to need the ball and his hands.

That's the coach's fault. That is the coach's fault. I can't. Our system is way too complex. Our system is way too simple. That's what I meant to say. And more needs to happen. Way more needs to happen.

we're not moving the ball there's no swing swing there's there's none of that bro just this is the dallas mavericks play ice ball the dallas the dallas mavericks play is like fucking shit like crazy bro but what makes some special is that they go ahead and swing that motherfucker guys like dion andre hunter yes tunnel vision like shit and his game is predicated off just straight up playing defense and making shots and that's it you're you're not wrong that one what makes the maverick special is the fact that they have luca dants running that too of but troy young did the same shit though last year and without a Jean-Tayor number two.

And now he's watching a Jonte-Marie dribble. Also, he retakes my soul. Let me explain my concern. So obviously the counterpoint is that Trey Young plays like shit right now and they're still the third seed. They're still 9 and 6. So that means once he plays well,

they have an incredibly high ceiling, right? Fair. That's a fair counterpoint if you're going to be a positive viewer of this team right now. My concern is right now they're a good team because they're defensive number 11, right? So that's what you expect to see

what happens when you bring in an elite point of the attack defender like DeJante Murray, you want to see it a better defense, which just happened. But my worry is with the offense being 20th, I don't think it's going to get that much better because no matter what these issues are going to be here, we're talking about with them getting the ball out of their best player's hands that made them have the second best offense. So I think even if you have a good defense, if you're neutering your offensive ceiling by having this guy there who's a great player but not a good fit with Trey, in my opinion,

then you're not in a great position because you're getting rid of your biggest strength to make your biggest weakness a little bit better, but if your strength is so much worse, that just means you'll be mid-tier in both of them. At the end of the day, coach's job is to put his players in the best position possible and optimize and maximize

every single player's potential in ceiling on the entire team, all at once if it doesn't come to detrimental to the other people. And Nathan Millers is simply not doing his job. Okay, I just don't think he's dealt with a great hand. I think you have to be a really good coach to implement the system that will give Dejante

the necessary touches he needs. to be productive, but also allow Trayon to be productive off ball when it's not something he's good at. I think that's asking a lot for a coach. We've seen players in the past go ahead and change a lot. And you're right, it is asking a lot for someone like Tron, who doesn't do much other than just like have the ball on hand and do the yo-e-o. But it just irritates me because they're good, but they're not great. Yeah, as a thing, no matter what they're going to be good. So I'm being negative and showing the you know like the pessimist point of view clearly they've shown they're going to be a good

team they're going to be in the playoff mix like they're going to be this mid-tier playoff team I just don't see the ceiling there you know what I mean like I just think that these problems are going to continue to show themselves over the long sample size I also going to borrow backouts listen listen I think that they have gotten lucky in terms of their schedule to open up the season right their first their first six games of the year Houston Orlando Charlotte Detroit Detroit right or or five games they've had they've had a lot of cupcakes early on just going to get to a point in the season where you start playing a lot more of like the upper tier playoff teams and once you go through that stretch and if trey young is still like this and like Isaac has been saying

you have this dejante murray led offense with trey young being your being your off ball two guard that's going to cause problems that's so and you should say it's true just Dejante Murray led because it is still heavy doses of Trey Young because they're staggering them but it's just like you're so good because Trey Young did everything and I get you want him to not have to do that so he doesn't burn out

like we've seen James Hardin do in the past and stuff like that you want that diversity you want the diversity from a player who could also be good when Trey Young has a ball and that's never going to be the case with DeJante it could be the case tough times tough times they will though like he's not

he's not destroying your spacing but he's not elevating you and his off ball. You know what I mean? Yeah, exactly. I remember early in the season, Zonte was like, 40 per 44% or whatever from three point line. A lot of hot teams are geeked and gas about that.

And I was like, you know, that's cool. Shots falling in, but I still don't believe in that thoroughly. And he's shooting like 32% from three point line right now, to speak. I think we're going to have our nights where our season has, our schedule early on the season was super easy. For sure, we played teams like the Rockets and also the Orlando Magic.

And we did our job and things that nature. cool. But I think that there's slight hope with the style of basketball that they play purely because of personnel and the type of players that they have on their team like, Cliquepel is fucking eating this season.

John Collins is, he's playing fucking defense this season for real. And Yuccau is fucking there already, bro. So just that, those three big dudes in the paint who are hyper-aware. I'm so happy, John Cohn's. Like, bro.

dudes this team that's that's gonna save them I feel like there's no team in the there's no team in the eastern conference that will give Janus more problems than the Atlanta Hawks guarantee you that

no other team I don't know about that there's no team that relax much problems no team are you talking about you think on Yaka Kong who's blocking up okay being big doesn't mean you're going to stop Yonis Clint's too slow to guard Janus on Yaka is too small

John Collins is too trash like there's nothing we're stopping Yonis can you can you read off to me Yonis' stat line when he lasts face those, please do that. Oh, we're taking fucking first 10 games of the season. I'm being crayon either when it comes to arguments like this.

Kiss my ass. Great, I'm glad they locked them up when they didn't have Chris Middleton. Did Drew Haldon play the game? I don't remember. No, the last one drew holiday. It was a Javon. No, Chris Middleton.

Grace now wasn't hurt. I'm glad that by throwing six bodies at Yonis, they were able to hold them under 30 points. Good for them. people are going to take me serious I'm funny I am serious what's next

what's next on the docket man yeah honestly we've gone pretty long we're already at 50 minutes I think we should get on to these TikTok topics because we have some good ones today let's get into it yeah yeah

so I want you guys to pull up the group message and look at these jerseys we're going to do what we did last week and we're going to rate some of the new NBA city jerseys you guys down Yeah, let's do it Pull up

We'll pull up the chat Mo, are you pulling it up On your watch? No Yes he is You fucking You fucking leave the spy I'm dead

Okay So you guys got it ready Yeah, let's go Okay Y'all even know These NBA City jerseys Are W or an L Let's go

The Cleveland The Land Those are Beautiful I love these bro this reminds me of some for some reason just some cool ass like that 70 shows type of vibes i love it i like it i love it too it looks real retro in a good way but still a little modern i love it yeah and also they're not too far away from their own color scheme which i love

i hate one team do some random ass shit dang they um i don't love them as much as y'all do um of course i don't i don't but i will give them i'll give them them a w because there's definitely much worse than this. Okay, fair enough. I fuck with them heavy. Yeah. All right, what about this Washington Cherry Blossom jersey?

These are whack. These are, these are, these are an L. I saw these on court. They look stupid. Damn, they look, they look dumb. They look dumb on court, man. Bro, these are gorgeous.

I fuck with these heavy. I'm a big fan of the color pink. And sometimes people do it, like with the Miami jerseys, it was great, until they did a gradient, which wasn't great. This, I love it.

The way they have the flower over the eye, that little touch with the cherry blossom in the middle, beautiful. It's eye. I'm in the middle of these. I don't love them, but I don't absolutely hate the music. I'm very, I'm very, eh, how about them? Pick aside. I can't, bro. This is WRL.

This is bottom half of the league right here. Oh, what's wrong with you? Okay, just for that, I'm going to give those a W because you crazy. Here I go. Being the bad guy. Okay, okay You're fucking villain Alright next one

The Milwaukee Bucks I like these This is actually my favorite one Of the whole set of city jerseys I like them really? I don't know about the favorite The blue and the green Like it looks so clean

Like it just looks like fresh I don't know explain it Yeah No I feel you on that The blue feels just so energizing And looking at on the court It looks even better It looks like 10 times better on the court

But it's not getting me crazy it's not none generation or anything like that it's all right you know what I'll say W I like these they're cool W the right answer yeah what's next the sons oh I'm about to throw up I'm about it looks like a fucking

it looks like a fourth grader made these bro who did this what concept did they steal this from bro this is disgusting we talked about the spurs having six flag jerseys that's what this is right here I've always I've always hated that big old logo that they've had in the middle and like no text this color oh my goodness i can't see i can't say enough bad

things about this jersey bro the one is yellow red white and blue that's just way too much going on right there and i know it's little detail but things like that get that out of my face bro i should slap you for even bringing this on my why you ask me the question the hell listen i don't hate it like y'all do but it's an l i'm not not a biggest fan of them yeah next one that one sucks all right Right. What about Minnesota? Bro, I'm from Atlanta, and this looks like a martyr goddamn jersey, bro. This is nasty as hell, you.

This is nasty as hell, too. Just, no, can't do it. This is, this looks like a Ghibit jersey, for real. This is maybe like a college jersey at best. This jersey would be a top five draft pick in frat leagues across the country. Oh, cold take. That's cold you in your bag. Frat, frat boys will love this jersey.

They will eat this shit up, but if you wear this. No, I'm not, I'm not with it I'm not with it These are these are the jerseys Where the whole frat pulls up To the I am game and they all have different versions Of that jersey This is that one

In 20 years This would be a deep cut jersey You're like oh you have that Minnesota City jersey It's iconic because it's so garbage Yeah, no bro Al Fat out Yeah like just the white and black

It looks like the GLEE ignite We just threw a splash of just color That isn't appealing in any way Yeah exactly bro I feel like You guys ever just have that piece, one piece of clothing in your room or in your closet to wear, like, whenever you just wear this piece of clothing or yours, your day is just automatic shit. Maybe it's just me, but those are one of those jerseys. I don't have trash fits. Maybe, maybe.

Get your life together. I would never have this type of shit in my closet. I'll tell you that. Yeah. All right. Last one, the Lakers. This I'll go first. As a Lakers fan, this shit is boring as hell.

that's all I got to say I should just bland I like this more this actually might be my favorite Laker City City jersey that they've had I I hated the

the Hollywood walk of stars the yellow and white ones the stars on the side I like that one those the Shaq one yeah I was I was not a fan of those I think that these are

they're okay they're pretty simple I don't think we've ever seen I don't think you've ever seen a Lakers jersey like the white Lakers jersey normally have some type of like yellow pop and I think having like just the white and purple with a little bit of black that's a that's a cool way that they can like differentiate themselves so it's a w

which is not gonna not gonna mess with you with this is not this is not bad at all honestly this is one of the better degrees that we've seen throughout this podcast so far and I'm gonna give this a W super simple super clean you can't hate on it couldn't be me I can hate on it I can tell you that I can hate a lot I got a lot of hate my heart. All right, well, that's the end of the jerseys we got. I know you guys loved it last time. Let's see if you guys eat it up this time.

Please do any. I have taste stuff for you. We're going to do another shake, Gilder's Alexander segment. We talked about them earlier. I'm going to name some NBA players. You let me know if you take them or shake guiltless Alexander. Right now? Yeah, right now.

Right now. Well, I said, I said it weird. You let me know if you take them or Shaggildilchus Alexander. James Hardin. I'm saying it's not even close it's not close tough it's not close even though James Harden looked better to start the year why my I don't want that fat man on my team yeah body shaming no I not only is he slightly washed when it comes to fits to say put that shit on so I need someone out on my tea dude I honestly

that's the that's the closer argument that's the closer argument is is who dresses better James or Shea. As for Oncore production, I'm taking Shea. Yeah, it's not even conversation. You're crazy. Okay. What about Carl Anthony Towns? Shea. You know me. I'm, yeah. You know my game. You've, you've seen my movies. I'm taking shit. I'm taking shit. Yeah,

you read the Yelp reviews, bro. Yeah, I'm just hicked out about Car Anthony Towns. I ain't a lie to you. Yeah, I'm going to go Shea. If Shea is this level of score now where he's going to be a 30 point per game guy with elite efficiency, that's just simply more valuable than a big who isn't going to be a defensive anchor facts yeah hell no jalen brown i'm thinking this one's interesting this one's interesting because jalen's a better defender but she's scoring is such a higher level like how does it weigh i'm taking i'm taking she i think if you can be the offensive engine um the way that she is doing right now i would i would rather that and jalen's

scoring is very like erratic like you can have yeah you can have jelan brown games where he has like 12, 13 points And he has a really bad night And then the next night He's going to come out and give you 40 I would rather have the consistency from Shea Than what Jayland does I think I'm going to go Shea too

Because his impact is much better Because Jalen's defensive impact Is strictly on ball He's not a very good off ball defender So I don't think his defense makes up For the difference in scoring Yeah I think Shea is the correct answer But it's a hard question to answer

So say easy Okay What about Deer and Fox? I'm taking Shea To be honest I think this one is actually closer than the Jalen Brown one Now that Deeran's shot is falling And he's like

Because he's I think he's close to like 30 He's like above 35% shooting threes this year I think it makes it closer But She's just She's that much of a better score And I think he's a better defender than Deeran Okay Yeah I'm taking She as well

Yeah I'm not the biggest Deeran Fox guy so I'll go Shea, but I can see it either way. What about Darius Garland? That's tough. That's tough because I like Darius a lot. Yeah, I'm still going Darius. I'm taking...

Give me Shay. Darius's playmaking takes it over time. He's running the gauntlet. Exactly. Yeah, I'm going Darius because Shea's scoring is great. It's not going to be this great forever. Even if it is still great,

I think the difference in Darius' playmaking is substantial. I think he's going to eventually get to the point where he's like a top five passer in the NBA. I'm going to go with him. Yeah, I value the passing and the shooting a little bit more, so I'm definitely taking Darius. I get long term, long term, I'm taking that bet on the playmaker. I guess I'm, listen, I guess I'm caught in the moment right now.

I'm taking shade. He's running the gauntlet for me. Okay, that's bold. I should have picked some better names then. This was too easy. Yeah. What about Zion Williamson? I'm taking Zion.

Even though Zion hasn't been elite this season at all. Yeah. I'm still taking Zion. Yeah, I think there's a world where Zion gets closer to what he was two years ago, and if that's the case, he's going to be better than Shea. But Shea's definitely been better this year. That's for damn sure. Oh, for sure this year.

Absolutely. Right now, I'm taking Chee. Right now I'm taking Chee. Yeah, absolutely. I'm not going to overreact too much to Zion's low-star. I'm still betting on him long term. Yeah, absolutely, bro. Okay.

So, no. You're not the last job? Are you kidding me? Okay, what about John Morant? are you taking are you taking shay over jaw no i think i'm gonna go ahead and pick job this guy's annoying

why the fuck do you ask me that then he's a troll move on next topic anyways last thing we're gonna do for we get out of here we're gonna do another draft if you snuck around long enough without going anywhere

the rest of you you're gonna see you first this time we're gonna do international players only i'm gonna cook what's the order what's the order I'm number one Warders are good at Mo first You second me third

All right bet So let's draft NBA lineups With only international players Let's go ahead Just letting y'all know right now I'm winning this Number one pick Yana Satenta Cumpo

Okay Okay that's fine Number two pick Give me Hakim Olajuwon Wait wait wait wait Is this all time Yes Oh fuck

See he wasn't prepared He's not thinking big brain I'm all right, whatever. Let's make your pick. Damn, I was really hoping you didn't pick Akeem. Come on, that. I guess I got to go current players. I guess I got to go offense and pick Yokic and Luca, right?

Yep, that's good. That's good. Okay, I'm going to take for my second pick, give me my point guard. Give me Steve Nash. Okay. Wait. Good pick. This is foreign?

Steve Nash is. Foreign? He's from Canada. Oh, you're right. He is from Canada. Damn. Okay. Fuck.

Damn. I'm going to regret my picks. There's not a lot of elite defenders here. So, it's kind of tough. Okay. Oh, shit. This is tough. Now, this is through a rent in my entire game playing.

This is tough. International, all time. This is tough as fuck. But I just, this is tough as fuck. I think I'm going to have to go with Dirk Nowitzky. Okay. Respectable pick. Yep.

Yonis and Dirk. Who's your next pick? Yeah. And then, so I got Janus. I got Dirk. And then I'm going to need a guard. And I can't pick any other guard who would be a great fit next to these dudes. Other than, oh, give me, wait.

Someone already picked Luca? Yeah. Of course I picked Luca. Yeah, you picked Luca. Fuck, yes. Give me, man, New Genoblee. That's a good pick. That's my pick.

That's my pick. Dang it. Okay. All right. We're going to try to find our way around this now. I don't know if this counts. He was born outside of America. Are we going to let this?

Are we going to let this ride? No. If he played for Team USA, then no. Okay. That's thing. Well, then that actually counts out. A lot of people. All right. Yeah. We're gonna we're gonna go we're gonna get our four and we're just gonna go with a huge line up here

We're gonna go our Vita Sabonis I like that and put him at the four Oh, so I think I have to go big two just because the talent on the board I hate the fit, but I'm gonna pick yo I'm gonna pick either I hate the fit but I'm gonna pick Joelle and Bede Shit, I don't know who's but I guess Yokic is the four but I don't know how it's gonna work to defensively but I got it is the talent's too good okay yeah the talent is to the bro the big man I never realized what the big man spot is oh D deep okay yes most these guys are bigs yeah big man spot is O D deep and it's a pretty slender when it comes to guards what if I went ahead and pulled the U-we and picked Marcellus who aretas

yeah I need defense now yeah I need a three and D guy but I don't know so so far i got my new is it your turn right now isaac or what yeah go ahead and name your player though wait is he no no no i think he has to go and then i'm gonna go again yeah yeah no no i mean like he's listing his team right now oh okay okay so i got manu yannis and dirkenowitzki yeah i got luka yoke it to the four d well and beat at the five so i need two good three and d guys where are you going to go this is tough you know

I hate I'm only picking current players which is annoying you're going to do it I'm going to be upset all right go I need a wing I need defense on the wing

am I going to pick Andrew Wiggins damn ooh that's nah nah I'm not going to pick I need defense though and I want to pick deadlift shrimp

but I need the defense this is a tough spot right now. Damn. Who are you thinking I was in a pick? All right. You just go ahead and say

Andrew Carolenko, dude. Fuck you. No, I need a three. Do you got to... Do I go big and put Andre Carolink with a three? Fuck it. I'm gonna go big.

Give me Andre Carolico with a three. Bro, listen. Moving forward, if it is not your pick, do not say names. Don't say names. You're sick.

Because we're out here side coaching, giving people hints, they don't know who it is. No, I don't think about him when he convinced me Last one Oh my goodness Okay

So I need I need a two I need a two And I need a three Um I need defense Um Well actually I

I need perimeter defense I don't really have that But I think we're just gonna go all in here On on on kind of offense I think Give you know what we were talking about him We were talking about him earlier

Give me Shee Give me Shee And I'm going to put Shee at the two I'm going to put Shee at the two pick That's a great pick That's nasty That's a great pick So you pick Shay

And I'm gonna go ahead and give me I need the spores The Spurs back court Give me Tony Parker Okay Okay You mean solid, solid And then

So I got Tony Parker Manu Janice And Dirk So I need a three And off the top of my head I can't think of anyone Who would be

A better fit It's tough because there's not a lot of good defenders Yeah exactly That's why I feel so blessed To have someone like Janus I'm like goddamn team. So I'm going to go ahead and pick, can I do Tony Kooch?

Sure. Yeah, you can 100% do that. All right, cool. With my last pick, I will take Andrew Wiggins as my three. You stole my pick. Wait, I thought someone already picked Wiggins. No, he did not. No, I didn't end up picking him.

I said it out loud, but I was like, do I pick him? Oh, you didn't. I would take Andrew Wiggins as my three and fill out my roster that way. Okay I need a two And I really need a point of attack defender So I'm trying to figure out who that is But I don't know what good defenders are left

I can't believe I've picked Tony Cougol It's what the fuck man Oh this is tough There's so many good bigs I know the point of its The wing depth internationally is Very Yeah

It's very low Yeah Fuck, there's no real great defenders I can think of I'm gonna go Drozhen, Petrovich Okay, yeah, keep getting some shooting Yeah, I gotta go offense You're gonna be the kings of the international player drive Did my camera just stop recording?

Oh no My camera stopped recording, I don't know how long ago Oh, no Oh shit Fuck Damn Okay, well, I got draws in Petrovich you start recording again

can't record real quick I just got to go offense I got to go Drozzen Petrovich Can I take one of my picks back Can we get allowed like one take back Throughout the series Wait so nobody Nobody wanted Dort

Y'all could have gotten Dort for defense What the fuck I want Lou Dorr for it Locked out He's locked down If that's all he has to do Oh my goodness I run out of storage But good thing we're done now

well that was a great episode as you see my camera thought on so we've got to end it here see you see you