The Deep 3 Podcast - NBA Players Are BETTER Than Ever! | Ep. 18

Episode Date: January 5, 2023

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So I think the first thing we obviously got to talk about is the just ridiculous scoring surge the NBA has been on the past couple weeks. We had Luca put up one of the craziest stat lines of all time with a 60-2010 triple double. Joelle and B put up 54. Clay Thompson put it at 54. And now Donovan Mitchell dropped 71 and 11. What is happening right now? They saw that football is going off the air.

They said, all right, it's time to turn up. It's time. Everybody's starting to watch this now. And now we actually have to play. This is ridiculous. This is crazy. I feel like one of the most unlucky. NBA fans ever. For Lucas

60-20 game, I was on a cruise. M. B's 59 or whatever game where he put up eight blocks, I was on a cruise. For Clay Thompson's 54, I was watching him give my team 54, so that hurt. Donovan Mitchell's game, I was too

busy watching the 54 happens. I couldn't get any win at all, bro. Not a single one. Yeah, you picked the worst week to go on vacation. That sucks. yeah so let's go let's go like person my person talk about these games but more importantly I think the conversation is kind of shaped to people once again talking about the fact that we're in maybe the most talent stacked era in NBA history yeah so like let's just generally talk about that a little bit afterwards but before we get into it as always if you guys are watching

on YouTube do us a favor drop a like and subscribe you see on the screens you see our twitters follow us on Twitter on all of us follow us at the deep three podcast on our main Twitter if you're on Spotify, Apple Music, rated 5 stars, follow, all that. Let's get into it. Let's start with Luca Donchich. I think he's like the main story

because right now the Mavs are on a seven-game win streak after being incredibly mediocre for the first 25 games of the year. And it's because he's just gone supernova. What do y'all think about this right he's on? I think it's about time that we're seeing like this version of Luca and the wins come along with it.

Right? like we've we've seen we've seen luca go for big performances but at least at the start of the season the mavericks were trash or mid mid to put it lightly exactly mid in every sense of the word and now the 12th for a long time and now they're finally starting to put a lot of things together so I think it's good just to see those those two things combined his MVP case is actually like a thing now I think we can I think we can actually legitimately think about him in that context so for him and like in the accolades conversation that's that's the fun part about seeing all this happen for for the mavericks and they're winning close games like that's the that's the thing

that's that's really making a difference like over the last 10 games they've played in six clutch games and they're five and one in those games and so clutch clutch for the hours who don't know it's when games are within five points um with five minutes or less to go in the game and so The Mavericks are 5 and 1 in those games. Tied for second most in that span. So they're starting to close the deal. And I think we're starting to see the benefits of it. Okay, real quick, I don't mean to sound like a Debbie Downer or whatever, but this is a great sign.

And something positive that I want to say beforehand is that I haven't been watching games, but from what I've been seeing, like, the Dallas Maverick movie saying is they may have supposedly Isaac, check me, correct me from wrong. they made a starting line of change, and I believe Maxie Claver and Christian Wooder is starting out. Let me know if I'm wrong. I don't know. But in regards to the fact,

I'm looking at their wins right now. I think they won like seven in a row. And they went against the Houston Rockets, like twice. They went against the New York Knicks without, what's his name, RJ Barrett for the majority of that game. And those wins, they're great wins. They're good wins, but they're against all, like, under 500 teams. except for the New York Knicks but the New York Knicks

No I mean they beat them all right like what are you going to They did their job Well look look Cleaver He's out to start line because he's hurt right now And he he went he went he underwent surgery for a hamstring tear So he's gonna be out for a while and so that's so they've they've been able to put Christian Wood in that spot and really just space the floor and just have Christian Wood being like stretch five and giving Luca all this space and so they've been able to do that

the Rockets game they should have never been in this position but they were down like five or six points with three minutes to go and end up making a comeback because Christian Wood is able to get a full point play with like three minutes to go so like it's not like again they should have they should have never been in that situation against the Rockets but the fact that they are showing the fact that they can come back be gritty do all those small little things and win the games that they're supposed to that's huge that's big yeah yeah and I guess you're right they aren't the most impressive wins in the world so like that's why I don't think any of us are like oh the Mazz are contenders now they're not they're the four seed but like we know how close the West is

it's a fake ass four seed because just as they won seven in a row they could lose five out of seven yeah like they're the four seed but they have one more win or two more wins than the eight seed sons so like you know it's topsy turby I don't think we're ready to crown the Mavs is a great team but

if we're talking about just stature of player in the current stand in the league I think this run we're seeing from Luca kind of makes you have to like re-evaluate his positioning with these other top players because I think we all agree he's top five now right like that's solidified yes yeah I thought that was solidified

I agree I agree how much if he just keeps doing this and you see that he's able to backpack his team in this way how much higher in the list is you rise you know what I mean? Three at like the best I would not put him even at this level I don't think that I would put him over Yannis

and I don't think that I would put him over Yokic. I think the one player that you can maybe have that conversation with, if he's at this level, is Steph. That's a tough one. That's the only one, right? The fact that the conversation now is crazy, because he's still Steph. Exactly. So that's where I draw the line.

But Lucas, he might actually get that MVP that everybody's been trying to hand to him for the last three years. I hope he does. I think the most interesting part to me is, that um it's not that he's just putting up numbers because like you know he's been luca he's been doing that forever like it's not like it's anything crazy new we're seeing from lucca but i think he's kind of hit the mode where think about like 2018 lebron or like 2017 or so james hardin before they got chris paul the way that they were able to just not only be a midteam

put up numbers but backpack just role players to being able to beat contenders to being able to Say the word. Say the word. Call them bums. Do it. That's a little better than bums. I know you want to. Listen, I understand.

I don't. I understand Spencer, D. He's having a good, a good season. Yeah, he's the best one. He's not a bum. And Doreen Fis Smith is one of the best 3-D players in the league. But the way he's able to make. Reggie Bullock?

Listen, I think right now we hate Reggie Bullock because he's in that mode where he can't shoot to start the year like always. Yeah. But eventually, they'll have decent role players around them, but the fact that he's able to elevate. them to being like an actual team that matters is like super impressive like that's really hard to do even as like like look at shade go to slexander he's an incredible offensive dynamo the thunder is still a thunder you know i mean like it's so you hit a certain level when you're

able to backpack these just like subpar players to being able to compete yeah he got listen he's we talked we talked a little bit ago about you know our like our MVP rankings and i think did you have luca one i can't remember if you had him won I don't remember That was a while ago It's changed a lot Yeah But I think

A lot of us had Luca Well I don't think that I had Luca top three I think he was I think he was just outside He was either three or four Right

He was right on that line He's He might be two for me right now He might be two And then I think my one I think my one Might still be Jason Tatum Interesting

Listen It's close though It's close I feel like I feel like right now there's just no like solidified argument for number one

and like there's a very solid argument for one through four or maybe one through six if you'd want to stretch it that far no for real like Donald and Mitchell might be seventh MVP voting right now

he dropped 70 and 11 like this is the most stacked MVP race we've seen in years like it's ridiculous John Morant is going to be like eighth or sixth maybe and MVP voting they're the two seats like he's That's ridiculous

Crazy yeah It's it's crazy yeah It's it's great that there's no clear winner right now It's it feels a little strange because it makes you think like Oh isn't nobody running away with it It must be it must be a weak MVP year But it's a complete opposite there's like eight people that could be running away with it But the other eight are just as good

Yeah yeah absolutely it's nuts If any of these eight We're like I don't want to say like If like four through eight maybe nine I don't know, I don't know who the hell of nine is, but in that range, we're playing in 2015, 13, 14, 12. And this is where we kind of get into the conversation of, like, just how talented the NBA is these days.

They would run away with MVP easily. Yeah. If this was 2021 when it was Yokic and then everybody else, they would be tough. Like Donovan Mitchell will be pushing Yolkich. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Even that conversation, you're absolutely right about that.

Yeah. But that, that, so let's talk about those two players. One by one. Let's talk about this Donovan Mitchell game. Did you all get a chance to watch a 17-11 game? Sadly, I didn't get to watch it live. I did not see it live. I did not see it live.

I had to go back. What are my biggest regrets? Yeah. I had to go back and see it. I was, sadly, I was tuned in to the, to the Bills game and seeing everything that happened with DeMarie Hamlin and all that stuff. I know. It was just awful.

But I went back and I watched the, the, the, the, the, the, the D-Mitch stuff. It's just stupid. Like, this is, there's, there's, there's, there's, moments where you just watch a guy and I wish so bad that I could get into whatever zone that he's in and just like what does that feel like when you just throw up everything like I hit I hit two shots at 24 hour and I'm like listen I'm hot you know what I'm at an entirely different level of just like I can close my eyes throw the ball wherever and it's going in and it's I honestly don't have enough adjectives to say just how good of a performance I was. Yeah. See, bro. I didn't, sadly, I didn't watch that game

because, again, like, I was watching the Hawks game and that shit was dumbass long for no reason. And by the time I turned to the Cavs game, they were just wrapping up, and I saw he was at 69 points and I was like, ooh, nice. And then I was like, wait, 69 points? Is you for real right now? This is no type of glitch.

Go on Twitter. Like, everyone's confirming my stream is behind. He dropped 71. He's at 69. I'm like, God damn. So I have to go back and watch the entirety of that game or hide so whatever I haven't done it yet But that's just it's just mind it's literally generally mind-boggling and I can't put together any slew of words That'll make what he just did any type of sense whatsoever and it also like puts into perspective What Kobe did drop in 81 back in that era was even wilder

If Kobe, if the dudes like DeBook and Donovan Mitchell dropping 70 and 80, not 80, my bad. If they're dropping those high stats, just imagine what Kobe would have done in this area of basketball. Where defense is spread out. That's crazy. Let's talk about, so you mentioned Kobe. So like him, every else scored 70. Every time people have scored 70, I think the highest before this was like six or seven assists in the game. He had 70 and 11.

I think that just shows how like truly just, I can't even say impressive, just mind-blowing this game was, because we've literally never seen a game with this scoring output while also being in complete control with your playmaking. No, we talk about Luca Donchich being such an offensive dynamo because he can do that every play where he's a deadliest score in the NBA

while also maybe being the best passer. That was Donovan Mitchell last night. Like his passing has always been super underrated, but last game we saw him have to really go into that role with Darius Garland gone. Yeah. And he was just ridiculous. His reads, because no, his whole thing is athleticism, driving to the rim,

mixed with his off-the-dribble shooting, which is always incredible. The way he was diming shooters in the corners, using that penetration to create open shots or other people, you would think, but if you watch that game, that he's one of the best passers in the NBA. It was insane. Yeah. I couldn't even do the Antico with my player, bro.

That's how crazy that was. Also, another thing that I realized watching that game, him and Damien Lillard are incredibly similar as players and what sense just like their whole game is coming off of screens and hitting these pull-up threes at that size and quickness and then getting downhill while not being like

the most incredible finishes through contact but just being really fast and like just slashing through defenses if you watch them play side by side yeah they look incredibly similar I never realize that I was very interesting I've never ever thought to put those two nice to each other and I promise you

Now that you said it, the next game that I watch at both of them, I'm going to be like, okay, I clearly see it. Yeah. That's really interesting. We're going to take a quick break real quick to tell you all about our newest partner, Underdog Fantasy. Underdog Fantasy is the best and easiest way to play fantasy sports online. You can play online or you can play it in the app.

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So go sign up today. And again, use promo code TD3. Yeah, so that game is obviously ridiculous. I, it's just great to see him prosper because I know we just did our rankings episode last week or ranked the whole top 30. I think I put him at like 15. He was like two spots behind Devin Booker. Yeah.

And that comparison is so agonizing to me. Like deciding who's currently the best shooting guard in league is so fucking difficult. It's like everything in my heart says I've been one to pick Donald and Mitchell and just like say it's him. But like logically I'm like, oh, Devin Booker does this, this, this, contributes to winning in this way. And you're watching Devin Booker's Phoenix Suns go from the first seat to the fucking seventh or eighth without him. And it's been like two weeks or whatever. What the hell? Listen, them boys got clapped by who by the New York Knicks on a, at 2 p.m.

on a on a Monday a weird time and everything listen hey Chris Paul a weird time to get put to sleep Chris Paul is washed like that's that's

that's one of the biggest that's one of the biggest that's one of the biggest takeaway that I took away from that yet a quick side out Chris Paul's watch DeAndre Aitin

he's not I don't think he's him I don't think he I don't think he has it I don't think he has that like next level super stardom because even

yeah for sure yeah I think we've been no though yeah it's but it's just sucks to see because when books not there and when c p's not there you always expect aton to come out like all right well now's your time to shine and like like like the stuff that ad was doing earlier in the season where ad's coming in putting up 30 and 10 or 30 and 20 even i need i need a little

bit of that from de adre aton and i think we're past expecting that for no 30 and 20 but like can i can i get 25 and 11 right can i get that when you're the featured uh when you're the featured person in this offense that's been a well-oriented machine for the last two and a half years obviously not you guys are being beat by jalen brunson and by um by by duke mcbride like he's putting y'all the sleep so yeah i think at this point we just know that we just know that he's more similar to us a bonus caliber big than he is to or ever will be an anthony davis caliber big i think it's just like the ship's sailed on that that sucks so much ass because he was the number drafted before that sucks mad balls

drafted before Luca, Trey Jaron Jackson Shaggillus Alexander And now We got people over here Shout out to do the wire Kenny over here

In a redraft He took Macal Bridgetts over DeAndre That's valid too No one was saying that But that's yeah It's nothing crazy to say at all But it just goes

is so like I don't know this whole like for young players it depends on where you go and like how highly you are ranked on the whatever chart how much priority you are

so mine is young Mike Patrick Williams yeah I will say Dionne hasn't been trashed this year I will say DeAndre Aidan hasn't been terrible this year he had that one stretch for like seven games or he was putting up 30 and 10 like pretty consistently weirdly he's been pretty good and also

We know that it's a ticking time long before he gets traded because his coach fucking hates him So it's kind of hard to thrive and be some superstar when your coach is pulling you every five seconds You do one bad foul you just have the tightest leash for number one pick like Listen, we understand that we understand that and that's great context I'm glad that you provided it But again we have to get off Sun Tate every single episode That's like we're we're legally contracted to do that that's what we've become We've become an anti-sons pod and and so I just had to bring it up just to say I just like jokes

I don't even give a fuck about the sons You have a vendetta I don't like that That's funny Back to the point about how close Donovan Mitchell and Devin Booker are I think that just shows you That just shows you that

If Donovan Mitchell isn't clearly The best shooting guard in the NBA right now That just shows you the fucking ridiculous glut of talent At the top of the league And I think that's something That's been kind of the highlight In the last two weeks

You're starting to see people talk about it more Yeah Is this the most talented NBA era of all time absolutely without a question yeah not even a probably why do you say probably don't I don't I go back to eras yeah that that would

that would be the only one that would be the only other era just because I feel like there were a whole bunch of teams that and again maybe it's different now and I'm just like looking at it different because there's so much player movement and we're not getting like the like the legacies tied to the players like that in in that in that same way but you go and you can look at teams like the pacer's who have reggie miller for 18 years and they had and like he's able to take them to finals at points in in his career you can even go to the nix

and patrick ewing and it seems like every team had at least a franchise player that can carry them to a finals appearance and even though that jordan ends up winning you know six out of eight or six out of ten in that in that decade it still seemed like every team legitimately had a superstar that's going to be a like legit legit hall of famer that's also going to have the accolades and the accomplishments behind it and yeah and maybe again maybe maybe there's maybe the reason why a lot of players aren't going to have those accomplishments and those um and those accolades now is because there's just not enough to go around but that's the only argument that I would make for the night that's the only reason why I would say probably but in terms of just like how deep is your bag I think the bags are clearly deeper now

than yeah yeah yeah I think let's talk about why it's a few reasons why right like one obviously you're saying the bags are crazy yeah that's it like I think it's kind of like the people that refute this are just like being purposely ignorant like I want to say dumb because I think it's just like pure ignorance of not understanding how this works Every industry, every type of sport, anything, even outside of sports, evolution always happens. Like if the 90s came around and these teams realized, oh, we can build around a guard like Jordan, who can be our go-to score. So the kids grew up wanting to be guards. Then LeBron came around. It said, oh, this person could be a score can also be a passer. So then they start trying to be good passers.

And Steph came around. They said they can also be off-the-dribal shooters. And just people keep growing up and seeing these players and just keep adding these things to their games growing up. like people aren't feeling the need to be one dimensional like they did back in the day just because there's so much wealth of information it's like of course the players are going to be more talented over time they've learned for more people you know what I mean yes you just yeah you just have a stronger foundation of what you're going to like just think is possible right everybody everybody now nobody thought that being able to shoot from 30 feet was like consistently was a possible thing and now you go to every single picture pickup gym and everybody warms up taking three-point shots because they're trying to be like stuff, right? And it's just like, listen, I think for the NBA, it's a good thing. For pick-up basketball, it's a terrible- atrocious. It's awful. It's terrible. But again, if we're talking about the NBA game, it's fantastic because now everybody can do everything and now we're really

seeing who's the best, right? So those like intangibles that we always talk about, those things are starting to rise to the top suit because now the skill level is starting to balance out. And I think it also applies to teams as well. Like that's why we talk about comparing like the 2017 Warriors to like past 90s great teams or the 80s Celtics, whatever. And it's like sure people were like, oh, these old teams played hard defense, they'd win. But did get their fucking backs blown out by these teams because same way we said these kids are growing up learning the techniques from past players. Smart teams are learning X's nose from past teams and learning how to counter that. And then new teams come around and counter them.

And, like, X's and those and those knows evolve over time so much that if those past teams saw the Celtics switching defense and how they switch and then recover people on the backside when there's a mismatch, like, all this shit, Larry Bird wouldn't know who to fucking throw his dimes to because he would call the Ku Klux Klan member to their front door the next morning easily. He would get them boys out of town.

He would have them all broke. He would have them all. We rocked with Larry, because Larry Rocking with us. Seriously. But, like, I don't understand. why people hang on to these special moments when they were younger? Maybe it's because they were 15. It's close to their heart.

Exactly. It's close to their heart. Yeah, yeah. I will never forget. Yeah, I will never ever forget. You can, you will never be able to tell me that Carmelo Anthony hitting two, hitting two pull-up threes in a regular season game against the Bulls to win the game, that he is not the greatest clutch performer of all times, right?

Like I was, I was in middle school when that. that happened. You're not going to tell me otherwise. And it's like, when you're 13 and 14 and the way that you view sports is being shaped by all these moments, that is your foundation. And that is the lens in which you consume media going forward. And so you're always going to compare people by what you saw growing up. And that, it happens in every single medium. It happens in sports. It's the reason why everyone's like, oh, people, people aren't, they don't make music the same way that they used to. They don't make movies the same way that they used to. Yeah. And it's just, It's just not true.

It is true that they don't make them like they used to, but it's not in a negative sense. Yeah, it might be better. Yeah. Exactly. Y'all were in your bag just in terms of the pure evolution talking. Like, things are, with the way everything is today, it was done in a way so things can be more efficient and effective. Exactly. You know?

Yeah. That's like me. The coaches today were worse than 80s coaches? What have they been doing for 30 years then? exactly and I don't like doing comparisons because like we're we just have so much more of an advantage and they did compare to the people who were before them aside then on and then on so on and so forth but it's just like yeah comparing uh fucking 1995 Mercedes to a 20 20 Mercedes like what are even talking listen listen some some old cars are I like that I know

I will say I was like they're probably talk about phones though imagine the iPhone 4 compared with iPhone 15 like it's like evolution has happened I don't I don't care. There's no way that you can tell me that a 2020 Prius is better than a 69 Camaro. That's not happening. Why would you compare a Camaro and a Prius? That's a very different. It's the first two cars.

It's the first two cars that, even if you want to go with the Army car and just say that like the Dodge Challenger and like the Camaro. Okay, okay. Not down this car, rabbit hole. It's a terrorist person. I got to show the people that are well-rounded. You know, I know this. I have my hands in a lot of different places.

But yeah. I saw one TikTok. I wish I could remember who posted it, giving him credit, because he made such an amazing point that I had never thought of in these awful narratives that we talk about. You know how a lot of people

will talk about MJ versus Braun, and they say that, like, LeBron needed a super team. He always jumped around making these super teams. That's kind of like a universally accepted narrative from people that argue for past generations. But what's also at this point universally accepted narrative

is that the modern NBA has more talent, right? Facts. Like, everybody kind of knows at this point. Yeah. If that's the case, why wouldn't LeBron have more good teammates there's more good players in the league like naturally everybody's better so his players are going to be better

around him and he's going to be playing against better players so they're going to need to team up like it's just that's kind of how it goes right yeah absolutely I think the issue is that though I think the issue with that though is it's not like it's not like Bronn is jumping from team to team

and like okay let me go with let me go to a team with like the 30th best player in the league or like the 27 best player let me go with top 15 top 12 right like that's the thing with like dang like how much do you have to sack the deck it's the same thing with duran like bro you went to a 73 and 19 that had just come off from back to the comp like come on like look at the comp though from the bronze case there was the warriors right who just built this team naturally because there's a lot of fucking

good players they found these good players and on average they had their eighth and ninth best player were so much better than like the utah jazz is eighth and ninth best player from the 90s It's like, yeah, they got to team up each other because the competition of teams. It's super possible to build teams with this crazy death now because there's so many good players. We're going to get into a Bron Jordan legacy debate right now. We got to save that. We got to come out with a special episode on that. We got we got to move back.

Listen, who we should be talking about right now, though? Because I actually really want to know how y'all feel about him and kind of like his MVP standing. Because before the season, I said that there was actually. absolutely no way that Niccoli Okits was going to win three three MVP's. Okay. And let's talk about it because we argue for like 15 minutes about it. And dang if he is not moving up the ladder. Yeah. So for context, right now the Nuggets are the number one seat in the West

after a rocky start. They just came off the Christmas Day game, which was maybe the best game of the season when they beat the Suns. And Yokic's numbers, he's back with 27 points per game. He's at, I think, nine assists, 11 rebounds with a 68% true shooting for all intents of purposes, he's better than he was last year except for the one point per game. And I was talking to, we argue about it, you picked Joel and B to be your MVP, and

you said there's no way that Yokch could win it because of voter fatigue. But I was like, let's say their numbers are the same as they were last year, Yolk's numbers a little bit better, and they're the one seed. Like, me and you both predict they'd be the one seed. So, like, how could we say they're not going to be, he's not going to be, if they're the one seed and his numbers is as good. And now we're seeing it.

Yeah, I didn't see it coming. Like, I also, Well, but that's the thing. Real quick. You did see it coming though. You saw the ones he coming and you saw Yoak, it's still being yoke. He wants you to eat your own shit. What about seeing it in person makes it click for you now?

That's the thing. Is it just seeing it actually happen? You're like, oh, fuck, I can't deny it. So what's changed for you? It's literally just the aesthetics. It's literally just the way, just the way that it looks. And it's the fact that, like, one, Embeddeed has not had. And actually, he got, he low-key has, right?

No, he's in a great year. That's what I'm saying. He, look, he has, the Sixers just haven't, like, done everything. They have injuries, fit, whatever. But with Yokic, I think seeing it in person and being able to put together runs really, really matters. Like, I think if, like, it's the same thing that we're seeing with Luca, the fact that they're able to go on this seven-game winning streak and put these wins together and do it consistently night in and night out, that matters.

And so for the Nuggets, it's different than. It's different than what they were doing early in the beginning of the season when it's like, okay, we're going to win three games and then drop one or then win two and drop one. Now we're seeing them, you know, go on these, you know, longer wins you look a little bit more dominant in the process. And the passes that Yokin is making on a daily basis. Yeah. Listen, thinking basketball put out, he put out a video, I think like two weeks ago. How about Ben Taylor? Best in the game.

Best in the game. Asking the question is Yon. Yokic is the best offensive player ever? Or is the offensive player or best passer? Both are posed. And the entire video, right? He's putting together this highlight clip, a 10-minute video of Yokic passing. The entire video was from one game of Nikoliyokic's passing.

Yep. I try to. It's ridiculous. It's hard to. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, you're right. When people hear us say things like Nicole Yokish is the best offensive big of all time,

he's one of the best passers of all time, immediately they're like, what the fuck why when really all that clicks in their head is he hasn't won a championship he can't be that's literally all it is if he were to win that would validate so much of what you're saying because he is clearly the best offensive center of all time it's really not close anymore like i'm sorry to say it to you he scores 27 points per game on 68 true shooting which is around with shack had that scoring efficiency wise he's the best passer in the NBA which no other center's ever been like period no center has ever been a top tier passer in this way he's an elite offensive rebounder he can stretch the forward with the shooting you can play through him in the post

the playmaking hub it's ridiculous he has moves in the post like he's not like he's a slouch one on one he's not marcosal where he's just a passer like there's no weakness offensively yeah i think his MVP case and we i i need to listen i haven't been i haven't been in the mood to get to sit down and rank one through eight because it's extremely hard as we've said over and over again so like maybe maybe in the next week we'll go we'll go through and we'll do all those things but you Yoke's is definitely rising up there. And also, I think...

He's top three. Let's just say it. He's top three in that, in my opinion. Yeah. I'm going to ask you about that, because I know you haven't seen the last week a lot of because you've been on a cruise, so I'll give you some leeway. You didn't get to see the Christmas game.

Yeah. Right now, everything you know, Yokch is back to me, Yokch, one seed. Jason Tatum, still rocking. Celtics are... I don't know if they're one C at this day because it keeps going back and forth. They're still the one seed. They lost her for a couple days. You know, Katie's being KD, going this crazy run with the Nets,

which we'll talk about. all these other players do you think yokish has a chance of winning do i think yokech has a chance winning i'd be a chance he's a chance he has a chance do you think he'll win yeah do i think he'll win it's just so tough i think he probably is the best player in the NBA right now and i feel like i can say that with confidence let's go yeah i feel like he's probably the best player in the NBA right now but yonis has been on like a shaky shooting slump or whatever the last few days and as i'm saying is he fucking dropped 55 today so do that information with what you will it's just so wishy-washy but yokech has been the most consistent the most healthy and just the just the overall

consistently doing what he has to do like regardless of what what the case and scenario is or who is around him you know like his team is starting to get healthy and he's done nothing but elevated his team when he's not on the fucking court to go from literally the like if not the best and one of the three best offenses in the league to literally dead last or some crazy shit. It is atrocious how bad. How much different they are as a team without him on the court.

And there's not too many players who I can say that about and just like seeing him adapt to like different play styles as well with so many players being in and out. Jamal Murray's been in and out once in a while. MPJ has his issues, tweets here and there. Of course, in every other.

team and player does but earlier in the season he was not averaging 27 he was in the 23 or 25 range or whatever the case me is it and oh no calamity huh oh no 24 points for game on 70 percent true shooting yeah yeah exactly exactly and and those numbers weren't as sexy and now they oh he has 27 points per game it's it's sad like what it'll take for him to go ahead and win for a third time in a row but yeah shit he might he might be he might be he might be number one for me. He might be number one. I think his team's going to finish number one in the West, comfortably in the future. The ways people discredit Yokish now is kind of like a testament to his greatness, because you know nobody wants to crown him. He's this goofy, fat white

guy who's never won a championship. He doesn't look like the typical player you want to see you, doesn't have the bag off the dribble shooters. Like, a lot of people were hesitant to give him this gas that we're giving him. So like you said, he averaged 23.5 points per game on 70% shooting. He's a bitch. He's a bum. He can't score. Like, It was so stupid. He was the same player. He just made one less shot per game and one less free throw. And now we're talking about different conversation.

Yeah. I do want to see. I want to see Yolqid's do this. I want to see. And in terms of like in a playoff setting, obviously like I don't, he's, he's not the type of player where I think like, oh, he's a fraud. This isn't going to translate, right? That's obviously like out the window. I want to see a deep playoff run.

The same way that I feel about Yokids right now is the same way that I feel about Yon. I'm glad you said this. The same way is I feel is the way that I felt about Janus after he had back-to-back MVP's where I'm like, okay, cool, you got all that. You're showing that you're like, you know, top five, top three, whatever in the league. I need you to go on this deep run. I need you to have the moments. And Janus goes and on the run, he has the blocking.

He has this amazing finals performance, right? He overcomes the wall conversation that, you know, got put up there. I need Yokits to do it And I think that if the Nuggets are the one seed I would be disappointed if they don't At least make the conference finals That's fair A lot of people share this sentiment you have

Like I need to see you and do it in the playoffs It's so It's so fucking weird with him Because he's been nothing but excellent in the playoffs In 2020 he made the Western Conference finals Lost to the champion Lakers I will say however though

That run That run I would attribute being A little bit more to Jamal being out of this world and Jamal being one of, you know, the 10, 15 best players alive in the first, I mean, at that time, they're saying that man was right. You know what I'm saying?

You get most of it. But like, Jamal, Jamal was clearly on another level. And I think that he outplayed Yokic in, in the bubble to get, okay, to see, he scored more points in Yoko, but Yokch still did his thing. He was still averaging 27, 10 assists per game. Like, he was still being normal Yokic. But we know the impact. He has more than scoring.

But I see your point. Either way. So what you're saying is he made the worst conference finals when he finally had a teammate next to him that could do something. So great. The last two years, he played phenomenal and lost to the eventual Western champion.

So, like... The boy got swept, too. That was great. Yeah, by the team that made the finals both years. So, like, great. He had no help and lost to the best team in the conference. And then when he had help,

he made it to the Western Conference finals and lost to the champion. Like, he hasn't been some slouch. You know what I mean? Like, that's not a terrible resume. No, but I need to... Now that everything is finally come together, right? Jamal Murray is finally in a place where obviously all the rest isn't off,

but he's starting to play well. Michael Porter, Jr., he's starting to play well. Aaron Gordon looking like a fucking all-star. Talk about you. Everyone's been great, man. Talk about it. Talk to him. He's so good.

Everything is coming together for Denver. I need a conference finals appearance. That's valid. And that's what I'm asking for. It's a lot to ask for the finals. obviously but if we're if we're talking about yokech being the best player in the game that is in my opinion a valid expectation to talk about finals and to talk about finals appearances and i that's what we need to see from him and

if he goes ahead and he does it fine cool i'm happy but we need we need to see that that aspect of his game and i can agree yeah yeah another they're healthy i can for sure those are definitely expectations i think we should move off this guy before we get accused of being Dick Ryder's too hard. Mo, I have one question for you. What has gotten into the Brooklyn Nets and why are they so unstoppable? This question is for me?

Yes, for you. Before I left from the cruise, I pointed it out in the podcast. Were you on a cruise mode? I didn't know. Oh, yeah. You know, I went to the crew. There were 15 and 6 in their last 21 games,

and I was like, hey, yo, I did the same thing. What I did with the Dallas Mavericks? a couple weeks on I was like hey yo they were they're like 15 and 6 but they ain't be no impressive crazy team they've been doing their thing and also their win margin is not in crazy and incredible but over these last I don't know how many games they've been absolutely snapping and under jock longdale I think his their record is like 20 jock lawndale I don't know what is me I forgot it I forgot John von yeah I said longdale Jake lawndale is a backup big from the spurs as

now on the Portland Trailblazers Yeah, I'm tweeting, bro No, Jack Wanda's on the Phoenix Suns Yeah, I thought he was on the Phoenix Suns He's a big Oh, you're right, oh, who am I thinking of? Who is that white guy That was one from the Spurs they cut

He's on the Trailblazers now I don't even remember Do we need to do what he played for? I think so That sounds like, Okay, keep going there Yeah, but Dude, ever since then

Like the, I feel like The Brooklyn Nets probably have One of, if not the most unique offense one of the most unique offenses in the NBA with just how efficient they are from the fucking mid-range dude they literally don't miss what Kevin Durant is doing is assonine and no one's even going to consider him for like MVP cases or whatever serious MVP well they know I think he's not going to no one he's going to move up but he's not going to win that thing girl let's let's if they're the one seat he very well could I don't think so

even if well actually if they're the one seat and they jump Boston and he takes them from being he could make it 11 or maybe not like Tatum can't win it over him if the nets of the one seat Tatum can't win it over him it was to him versus Yokich I think people would give it to Katie I don't know I think people would give me ohokin soon because I think Katie has left a sour mouth on a lot of people's mouth still and Yokch hasn't not as much as Kevin

we're talking we're talking MVP the voter fatigue and losing the playoffs like for this conversation I think Katie probably has a little more pool it's like which guy do you hate the which guy do you hate the least. Which guy do you want to see succeed the least, well? Yeah. So, yeah, the next round a 12-game winner-cheek right now. In that 12 games, they have by far the best offense in the NBA with a fucking ludicrous 12-24 offensive rating. Around 112 is average these days. And what's more impressive, they have a 112 defensive rating, which is 8th in the NBA in that span. They're not supposed to be a good defensive team, and they somehow have done it. Yeah. I don't

know what to even say about this team. I haven't watched as much as a as I would like to, but from what I've seen, the simple ass sets that they're running in between the three-point line is a lot of things that a lot of teams don't do. And because of the, of course, like, they're one of the best mid-range shooting teams because they simply have Kyrie Irvin Kady on their team. But the type of looks that they're generating in general are phenomenal, and their whole philosophy and scheme is flowing. And what's even more impressive, like you said, is their defense

because they don't have a lot of good defenders on the team point bank, period. yeah donovan i have a question for you donovan what's up so during this 12 games stretch yeah the hawks are the second highest in the NBA in field goal percentage on pull-up shots what do you think they shoot they're shooting the hawks the hawks true shooting percentage no just field goal percentage on pull-up shots um i second highest in the league for the hawks i'll probably say let's say something about 48 percent No, 42. Okay.

And the next three teams behind them are all shooting around 42%. Okay. So obviously the Nets are number one. They're shooting 52% on pull-up shots. This is counting threes. Pull-up threes are 43%. Yeah. That does not make sense.

Like that's probably not sustainable for a whole season, but 12 games is a big-ass sample size. I mean, that's a lot of games. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Let's dissect this 12-game winning street. I will say that the Nets are playing very well.

And defensively, that is what encourages me the most. about them. However, Moe was talking about the Mavericks and how their winning streak is coming against Bums. Every winner comes against Bums. The Nets have played the Hornets twice. They've played the Pistons. They've played. Oh my goodness. They've played the Wizards. They've played the spurs. They played the Warriors without Steph Curry. They played. Oh my goodness. You're you're more shameless than me, dude. I ain't going to this extent. What are you talking about? They've played, they have three of their four teams or yeah three of the 12 wins have been against teams that are going to be in the top three of the lottery they played a gold estate team that is absolutely or that was absolutely trash without stuff curry the hawks might be the the hawks are like the third best opponent that they have and the hawks are the nine seat in the east Milwaukee has been a mess but listen you beat them by 18 on your home floor that's huge you go and you beat the you beat the calves by eight that's huge you have two like you have two wins Boy, no, without, I think one of the, one of those guards are missing that game.

Still, still, still the Cavs have a lot of, the Cavs have a lot of firepower, and so that's impressive. They have two, like, wow, wins in this entire 12 games. Okay, so rebuttal, yeah, they're played bad teams. Every win streak could have to beat bad teams. Nobody plays 12 straight, great teams. That's not how schedules work. Yeah. But it's not even just doing their job.

They're beating the fuck out these teams. That's a thing. They beat the Warriors by 30. They beat the Spurs by 27 or whatever. 36 actually Jesus Yeah So yeah they're taking care of their business But they're beating the fuck out of these bad teams

Like no I get it I get it I understand You play who's in you play who's in front of you I will say destroy who's in front of you When you're built like that I will say though that if you I think that the Nets again I think that they're playing well

I think that they can now be considered A good and a competent team I Moving forward I still keep them Kind of in the same realm as a second round exit. That's what

that's why I think that's what I think that that's what I think that they are. Even then I think that's okay. They've proven me wrong already. I said that they were done that they probably weren't going to make the playoffs at the beginning of the season. And so they've already surpassed. We all did. Exactly. They've already surpassed.

Kevin Nore was out here talking about some who am I supposed to win with. And then he listed a whole bunch of 2K generic names that I don't even remember, bro. He said, who the fuck is Edmund Summers? I don't even know. Exactly. And now everybody's hooping.

And that's good for them. But second half of the season, whenever the national TV games come in and they start getting these playoff teams, let me see what the Nets look like in March. That's the only thing I have to say about. I think what's encouraging is it's not something that, I guess we're talking about the shooting stats being a little unsustainable, I guess, but you also have these, like, like Moe talked about. personnel katy and kairi like those are always going to be the number one in the league if it comes

down a little bit but the reason they've been so good especially on defense is because they got their wings healthy joe harris is healthy utuada navvy's back um what's uh t j warren is finally back after not existing for two years they're able to roll all these lineups where they're not reliant on ben simmons they can sit him for 10 minutes straight and be fine because they can roll out lineups with katy karee claxton and then a bunch of fucking wings royce o'neal's been amazing like this formula with all these wing players and then your two star ball handlers is how you win in the playoffs like this just sounds like last year Celtics so I think that is the missing thing they didn't have previously in the year where it was kind of like we watched them

and Ben Simmons looked like shit who's starting to look a little better kind of came and gong because he's had injuries again but yeah without him it was like where are they going to get production from but now that we're kind of seeing what the team is supposed to be healthy I'm starting to be a little bit of a believer because like you start to see the vision more you know what I mean? That's fair. That's fair. And plus all of us said at the beginning of the year that if everything goes right, that they have championship potential.

And so I think for it's still, it's still weird for me to kind of wrap my head around a team that was as dysfunctional as they were. Yeah. Be able to turn themselves around and look like this. Even the Celtics turned around last year, it wasn't like they were just mid. And that was like, it was a failure. because they were supposed to be better, but they were just mid. And then they turned into the best team in the league. And for the Nets, they literally went from the worst team in the league to probably, you know, one of the top three.

I see what you mean. You see. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. It will, honestly, if they get to the point. For the point. Yeah.

If they get to the point where they're like a contender, contender and make like a conference finals run, maybe a finals run, you got to think it's probably the single biggest in-season turnaround. It has to be. It has to be. Yeah. They fired their coach before. Christmas and Yeah And everything's worth out

Both their stars We're trying to get traded In the summer And they still got told no Like they came in With pure dysfunction Yeah Like nobody's ever been

That down bad And then prospered So if they do it Props to them That's truly A incredible accomplishment That's like a I was gonna say

It's a notch on Katie's legacy If he somehow Was a championship of this team But the problems were kind of His fault So I guess you can't really Give him props For bringing him back together

He requested the trade He hated Steve Nash Yeah But it would still be impressive Because let me take that back Actually it would be impressive for Katie Because despite all this bullshit That you can say he caused it

Everything around him is crumbled And he's been such a rock And so steady Holding that team up on both sides of the ball Like we did our rankings I put him behind Joel and Bede I kind of regret it Because he's been a great defender this year

And it's kind of just clicked for me Over the last week Like he's legitimately been amazing And done everything he can to keep this team of flow And he deserves credit He does He does So listen

If you have the nets go ahead hang the banner so we turn things around you can put that we had a 12 game win streak in December exactly that could be the recognition for this week for for this year they there's just there's a little bit more that I need them to prove and it's not going to be in December because when you have Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving you're not judged by what you do in December you're judged by you judge by what you do in May June and yeah in May and June and that's what I need to see from them because Because if they come out and let's say that they get a hard matchup, right, listen, they're the two-seed.

The whole top five of the east is really, really tough. Let's say that they come down a little bit, end up in like the four-seat or something, which I think is still very possible. And they end up playing either Cleveland, Milwaukee, or Philly, or Boston. They're going to play one of those four teams in the first round, maybe, right? If they drop down to four. watching boys get swept right losing five again they're not getting swept they're good listen i know i know that they're good i'm saying let it happen again and then everything that happened this season is oh you did it just to obviously like flame out in the playoffs i don't

think that they will but i also didn't think that they would get swept last year and that happened so we'll see yeah a lot of will pick the nest in the series last year one one thing that i have to say about the Nets, too, is that it is super encouraging to see that they're doing so great while Ben Simmons probably like the seventh or eighth best player on your roster right now in terms of just, like, importance to your roster and team. And if he ever gets whatever it is that's going on with him, whether it be health and mental issues or whatever the case may be, if he gets that shit together and starts being more impactful in terms of scoring.

and like just putting the ball in the basket and getting easy dunks and layups and stop like looking away and being absurd OD passive that's when I take them seriously and I'm like okay maybe then boys can be in championship contention and if I was uh I don't know Cleveland Cavaliers I wouldn't be so happy to go against the team like the Brooklyn that's yeah yeah that's a problem's thing they have a lot of room for improvement still so that's even like another thing to be happy about so yeah definitely One thing I think we should talk about before we get out of here. Sorry, I'd fix my hair. It's bugging me. I think we should do the TikTok time. But beforehand, a quick aside, we got to talk about LeBron James real quick. Oh, yeah, for sure. Let's close it on.

I think all of us kind of bought into the hype a little bit of writing him off a little bit and saying, like, oh, he's finally washed. If we put him down the nine in our top 30 rankings, I think we all had him around that range. We overreacted. He's still him. He's just, yeah. Over the past, I think, the numbers that have him right here, currently those are Lucas stats

So over the last 11 games Which is how many I think Anthony Davis has missed LeBron's averaging 34.5 points 7.4 rebounds, 7 assists 58% from the field Everything that looked like he was kind of washed with Early in the year where he wasn't going to finish Wasn't scoring efficiently

It's back to normal He's just LeBron Bro After seeing him do what he did to The Atlanta Hawks In Atlanta which seems to be just like it's been a rough it's been a rough uh it's been a rough uh it's been a rough no one asked no one asked okay it is not it's not a lot of hox podcast we can get into that

whole thing dude i may owe you a hundred dollars after the end of the season oh my god i told you quick update quick update on that the hawks right now are in the ninth seed which means that they would have to win two games to get into the playoff which is exactly where i said that they would be i said they'd be six at best I thought it was more conservative that they were going to be in the playing, that they were going to be in the playing, that they would not be able to win two games. Seeing what LeBron James has done since then, we did to the Atlanta Hawks and also the Charlotte Warrens, which are neither impressive teams, but it's impressive for the drive that this dude turned 38 years old. He's dropping 47 and 43 on back to back, not back to back nights, but game after game is absolutely nuts. And he had the same exact type of dominance when he was playing the Hawks.

The Hawks just looks straight up scared And they didn't know what to do You know? And it's just like I felt like I was 15 years old again 14 years old again Back when the Hawks were 61 team and shit like that

And none of that shit matter Like it's just simply LeBron James Even though he's 38 years old And he's like Seven years older Eight years older than he was He's doing the exact same thing They'll never escape him

Fuck bro It's nuts It's nuts and I can't say I can't say anything That like encapsulates his performances Over the last few games Yeah he's honestly I think we're just seeing him

Try a lot harder Because he knows he needs to With AD out A lot of people kind of thought like Oh this team is falling apart Maybe he'll just pack it in Because he's fucking cooked with AD out He's on the opposite

He's just been going like playoff mode intensity Trying really hard to score Like he's just running way faster than he was in the beginning of the year trying to hustle in like he's been great and it doesn't mean a whole lot because either way like we said their season is probably kind of cooked because even if 80 comes back they both have to be incredibly healthy at all times for this team to have a chance of making the playoffs westbrook has been a hot stack of ass least lately too dude he's been terrible yeah I mean what do you expect from a role

player he's up and down yeah I think that's a quick aside talk about lebron for a second and acknowledge the fact that we may have overreact a little bit because we kind of did have the LeBron's watch episode. Yeah, for sure. For sure. No, I think it's fair to still have him at eight, though. Or eight or not. I guess.

Maybe, but even outside of this, the ranking we did, we were all a bit pessimistic about him, and we're like, oh, he's a little over the hill now. He's not going to be the Bronn we used to know. And I think he's clearly still hate more. He's a sunset, just wave the white flag and his dominance, and he is fucking zombie. fighting back he's him yeah i think we can get a tick-tock time though we got a cool hour in i think

we should get in some games and shit and talk about the shit that y'all are here for let's go it the first thing we're going to do we're going to start this like we always do we're going to start with a draft this day's going to be funny because we're going to do i love this a bald player draft you know me who has the best shiner time on pause remember to my fan on real quick this is going to be so fun Okay, so first pick is Donovan. I got second pick, Mo is third pick. So it's any player that was balled for a sustained period of time.

So not like they went bald for five games, not like they were bald for just their last year of their career. It was like an era that we recognized them as a ball player. You know what I mean? Yeah. Okay. Cool. Number one pick, give me.

Let me do the hook. It doesn't take time. Hey, you can wait. Holy shit. You forgot the order. Edit this. Edit this. Just put Michael Jordan over the hook.

That's everybody knows. everybody knows what i'm going let's drive NBA lineups with only bald players all right you good let's have NBA lineups with only bald players good first pick first pick Michael Jordan naturally I knew you're doing that that's fine second pick Kobe Bryant whoa boom damn okay that's cool third pick oh look you meet I got the third pick uh I got to keel Neil and then at my four I'm going to have Kevin Garnett Okay, that's a nasty big combination

Okay, yep, it's insane Listen, I want a cream second, but I knew you weren't going to pick him So give me Kareem knit the fifth pick Okay, okay, that's fine, that's fine Mind games Here's what we're going to do I'm going to put Michael Jordan at my point guard position Okay

Because I'm going to take Ray Allen of my two guard Tough And then At my three At my Yeah And at my three

I'm gonna get Vince Carter Fuck I really wanted him Damn Okay That's nice Wings was the hardest part And you swooped in

From the top row Damn Because I knew you were gonna go For career I knew you either gonna get Kareem or Shaq At 2 Okay

Game plan There's not a lot of wings left And I got to fill my three There's a certain point guard I want over this guy, but I got to pick him now. Give me Clyde Drexler. Okay, that's cool. My spacing sucks, but I got to pick the talent. Okay, cool.

So I need a point guard, and Donovan, you got a maniac on your team, and I got like two maniacs on my team. Let me go ahead and build a big three. I need Gary Payton. Oh, that's a great pick. That's good. Great pick. So I got Gary Payton and then, holy shit, can I get Charles Barkley? Ah, damn.

You can. That's a pretty big lineup. Yeah, it's a big ass island. Let me do it. I don't have any, I don't have many other great choices. Give me Charles Barkley. That's good. That's good.

Bro, it has not a shooter in sight. Jesus. I was, I was hoping you would. You ain't shooting with these bouldies on the court, straight beam in at show fucking eyesight. Okay. Okay. So, uh, okay. Give me Jason Kidd as my point card

Ah, okay Okay, okay I need the facilitating I got a lot of defenders and dunkers I need some passing All right I need a four and a five And it seems very like

Seems very weird That I wouldn't be able This is so nasty I really don't want to do this So I'm not Give me Germain O'Neill At my five Okay

Y'all sleep Y'all is sleep Y'all is sleep y'all know germain guarding kareem abdul jabar yeah man you're done for y'all

y'all forget germane is like that what are we talking about what was with this disrespect so yeah so give me germane at my five and then at my and then at my four please don't pick them please don't pick them

I don't think we have the same person because I'm really kind of blanking right now and who I want to add my four. I hope you don't pick him. That's nasty if you pick him. You're nasty. You're nasty. No, no, no, no, no, no, not him, not him.

Not him, not him, not him. He is not a part of my team. We do not stand for that. Yeah, okay, good. I was scared. I was scared. I was about to be like, man. I'm not picking him,

but I will pick the crackhead Lamar Odom. He is my four. Bro, thank God you picked him Thank God you picked him Give me Chris Weber for my Give me Chris Weber for my power forward All right, cool, cool, cool That's good, that's good

I need a little bit more play That's good, that's good, that's good, you got that In terms of shooting I know my team is fucked But has anyone chosen Magic Johnson yet? No, because he wasn't bald He had like a 0.5 Are you serious?

Yes Yeah, he was only bald when you retired He had a 0.5 Caesar all around he wasn't that just killed my whole someone already got yeah I don't you're gonna pick

Magic Johnson are you kidding yeah I thought I thought I caught someone slipping damn not me now I gotta revitalize my whole no I can let me slide with that pick your man's

pick your man's okay okay I got my man's I got man's I got Choncy Billups okay okay big shot Billups okay that's fair that's fair okay

Let's list off our teams. I'll go. We'll go in order of the draft. So I got Michael Jordan, Ray Allen, Vince Carter, Lamar Odom, Jermaine O'Neill. Hmm. Okay. I have Jason Kidd, Kobe Bryant, Clyde Drexler, Chris Weber, Kremevd-Dibar-Dabbar. Okay.

That's nice. I got Gary Payton, Chauncey Billups, Charles Barkley, Kevin Darnett, and Shaquille O'Neill. You're the weirdest team ever? I know. Y'all ain't shooting shit. I promise you. Y'all are not shooting shit.

You are going to have Charles Barkley running around screens trying to catch Ray Allen. He's going to be gassed. Is he going to guard Kobe Bryant? Claude Drexley? Look, don't worry about what my team is guarding. We're just here to win.

I don't know how we're going to win. No, I know you're there to win. You're not. Oh, that shit is funny. Okay. We're supposed to do this bald person thing now, but I forgot to put the pictures on my phone. We're really going all in on baldness today.

Yeah, man. Yeah, I don't think I can do it because the pictures are on my phone and I can't access that. Okay. What was it anyways? I forget what it was. Okay, let's do something else.

You just do the blind stat thing now, Mo. All right, cool. All right. Let me get these shits up. Cool. So we're going to do something now where old classic game Mo's going to give us two stat lines and me and Donovan got to pick which player you'd rather have

without knowing any of the context about who the player is purely off the stats it's going to be hilarious I'm so anti blind stat review why there's no context that's perfect no because then I end up picking Isaiah Thomas over Kyrie Irving and then it's like that's perfect all right like I want the bad how's the how's the how's the how's the How's the hook go again, Isaac? Which, I don't know. Which NBA player would you rather have based on these stats? Cool.

Based on these stats, which, huh? None. Cool. Go ahead. Okay, cool. All right. Based on these stats, which NBA player would you rather have? Okay.

So we got them for the people who are listening bear minimum stats come on For the people who are listening 21 points for game 10 assists four rebounds on 62% true shooting Versus 22 points for game 11 assists six rebounds on 60% your shooting Give me it's I mean you don't really have to it's kind of easy just on this I want the 22 11 6 player they're better in every category and it's like a 2% difference on true shooting like yeah i'll take them cool what about you yeah yeah i guess i agree this is a terrible matchup yeah okay cool so i don't i don't think this is outlandish to say he says it's a terrible matchup cool no this is this is this is this is but who do you who are these two players

you y'all know who these two players are no absolutely not just please who are these people is tyrese halber and james argy ah wait who do you pick you guys pick james hardin oh yeah which may go against like some of your agendas that you guys have yeah i mean yeah i'd rather pick i'd rather have tarissa i'm being honest that's surprising wow exactly lately james has been snapping and no one has been talking about because joel and b has been going crazy and don't know this was born 70 and all this crazy shit but james has been him this season okay damn you got it you got us cool okay so let me implicit bias Yeah, go ahead and give me these.

Let me say my party, because I messed it up. I mean, I guess I'll take the second guy too. Yeah. All right. What about these stats? Ooh, so one guy is, I mean, one guy has more points and assist, so it's pretty, your brain really wants to pick him. But 23, 4 and 58s.

Is he trying to trap us? You're trying to deceive us. Give me the 23 point per game score on 58% true shooting. Okay. Yeah, 58 is so hot. Yeah. No, no, give me the 8 assists guy. He's clearly a better playmaker, so I got to go with him.

All right. So to real these players, 24 points per game, 8 to 6, 6 rebounds on 55% true shooting is lamello ball. And 23 points per game, four assists three rounds on 56% true shooting is Anthony Simons. You're disgusting, Donovan. Look in the mirror. And throw up. I hope you do that. I thought you were trying to trick us.

You're a devious person. Not a trick. Now, this one, I ain't a lie. This last one that I have, not on looking at him, I'm like, bro, why did I choose these two players? But I'm going to go ahead and post it anyways

because I think it's an interesting talk. Maybe it's not interesting because I'm a fucking nerd, but I'm going to post it anyways. All right. 23 points per game, five assists, three rebounds on 62% true shooting versus 22 points per game, four assists, four rebounds.

on 57% true. Give me the 62% true shooting. That's ridiculous efficiency. Yeah, I'll take the top as well. Pause. Okay. Okay, so the top, the first one, 23%, 5 assist, 3 rebounds is Bradley Biel

and the second 22 points per game is Zach Levine. Oh, Bradley Bills a 62% true shooting right now? Battle of the Mids? He's like that? That's surprising. He's shooting like 53% from the field That's crazy He's not getting a lot of hype right now

It seems like he might deserve it That's crazy Because he barely plays now He hasn't heard now Over the last few games And also on top of that The Wizards have been looking Like a better team without him

Which is weird as fuck It's weird Yeah he's only He's only played 23 games this season Yeah Wow So It just goes to show how

I don't know I don't know Brad Washington got some interesting decisions If they feel like making a decision but Bradley Bill has been good regard He's not going anywhere They can't

I don't know who's taking a big ass contracts Yeah nobody Nobody's Nobody's taking Well listen people would want Bradley Bill But Bradley Bill doesn't want to leave Yeah He wants to stay in poverty

He has Stockholm Yeah He has a true problem I found the bald guys So we're going to be to do it now Let's go Yep So we're going to do another ball players thing

It's going to be great Run it up Run it up So give you one second I can't even say the hook is so funny Y'all write these players from 1 to 10 Based on how good they look bald Let's go

First one First one Oh won't send First one, Steph Curry. Oh, he looks handsome. Pause. Ten. I've received anything.

Oh, wait, here we go. Ten. Ten. Ten. Ten. He's kind of on push back like a motherfucker regardless, bro. He has one of the low-key, one of the worst hairlines in the NBA, and he's an easy, ten bald. He looks like Bruce Willis.

He looks like Bruce Willis. What are we talking about ten? Are you kidding me? Span is six. He's a six. Six? Yeah, that might be the high not a lot of people I'll give him a seven for the beard He's a seven maybe it's like Johnny Sands but I think you're gonna reject we're gonna regret that no who's next

Am I? Yeah He looks like he wears metal militia t-shirts Hey Hey This man wears his fucking DC shoes I know you got worse flares bro so me I mean I can't find the original shirt one young I told you guys about

Here's the other one What about Trey Young? Holy fuck dude He looks like a Like a make a wish kid Oh my goodness I feel bad when I look at this picture

Oh my goodness What is happening? So everyone gives me He needs to go bald Because that shit on his head is terrible You want this? I'm supposed to hear donate three cents a day I feel like he's in one of those commercials

And I just like Damn This is he gonna have to get that he gonna have to get that scissors surgery you know how scissors she's like completely re-constructed

he gonna have to get that if he ever goes bald this is crazy yeah he's in the movie he can't do this he can't do this yeah

he looks like an insect look at that shit holy shit yeah this is terrible and he's like he's like 70% there already bro he's gonna have a bleak prime

he better be happy he's rich all right what about russell westbrook oh man this is terrible he looks so old what do you mean terrible

Russell westbrook looks no he literally looks like a ninja turtle you've heard you've heard me those games before but he literally looks like a ninja turtle no he doesn't the only Russell westbrook just looks like he played in the 90s

like that's it that's the only he looks if you put if you put a Portland Trailblazers jersey on that That is Clyde Drexler's cousin That's it It does fit him He just looks old as fuck

Why is Clyde Drexler's lineage Catching Strais right now? Why do you have to drag him into this? Holy shit Because he was bald at 18 Like he was crazy It's crazy Now Russell Wilson Wilson

Russell Westbrook looks fine here I'll say like an 8 I'll say it He looks the best out of all of them Absolutely not Are you kidding me? He has no facial hair How?

What really say is your facial hair? You think step curry looks You think step curry ball looks better Than Russell Westbrook ball? I'm not dying on this hill But I will die on this hill Yes Bro, Steph looks like an off-duty cop

What are you talking about? No sir No sir No sir, that's right What about What about Luca Donchitz? Oh my goodness Yeah

Oh my goodness dude Oh my goodness dude Oh God I don't even know if this This Yo he looks mad All right He's crazy

Dude his head The way his head is arched back Shit He looks like a thumb The thumb people from Spike Kids He does Yeah This is Patrick Star

In the live action SpongeBob remake Oh no yeah He can't do that He can't do it He needs to lock in that Rogue game sponsorship Now Just get ahead of

his arms look exactly the same as his head it's just one conglomerate of a person yeah exactly this is just so perplexing like I yeah he needs to lock in on his sponsorship and he said like he's two he's a cheap yeah this is a fucking zero you're out of your mind this is by far the worst this is by far the worse nah I think Trey's worse than he is

maybe you write about that I don't know nah Trey looked inhuman because Tray at least Luca looks like he could put on a hat or something and make it work Trey looks like any hat would be too big even fittings

like it doesn't look like a hat to fit it He knows as Brian Robinson has Not because You would expect someone like Luca Dodgers to look good because simply he's white And he's bald And you would expect it to look like Oh Mr. Queen but he has the complete opposite

Look from Mr. Queen He looks disgusting in this Mr. Dirty He looks her paw Mr. Philth. All right, next one. What about Demar de Rosen? Oh, he just looks, oh, he looks fine.

I'm not going, this is a tent. I don't know how I say that. This is like, if we're talking about how natural it looks, it's probably a 10. Like, he looks like he should be bald. Yeah. This is a 10. He looks like he belongs in his place.

I go 10. This is his place. This is his dude. Should DeMarg? I like it. Yeah. Demar should embrace his old age. Yeah, this is a 10.

Very solid. Okay. Okay, last one. Last one, Anthony Edwards. Oh, that's Michael Jordan. That's Michael Jordan. If it's also accurate, holy shit. If DeMarter Rosen was a 10, it might have to be a 10.

Listen, you make this jersey from a medium to a large? If it's, if it, that's Michael Jordan. This looks hella active. Yeah, it feels extremely natural. I like that. He looks like he looks like he looks like, Mo, we can't hear me. I can't hear you go.

This is a great little friend. Mo, we can't hear you. Oh, shit. Can you hear me now? Yeah. Yeah, there you go. My AirPods died, so I have the volume hella low and I think I absolutely push me.

Okay, is your audio so good? Is your audio still good? Yeah, my audio's still good. I'm recording with my, uh, my mics. I'm audio's still recording. I see the shit, so we're good. Okay, okay. Yeah, this was mad natural

Ant should go bald 10 This season He should just skip his 20s of hair And just Absolutely dude He looks like a top 15 player With that baldie on

I know When Ant comes out next season With this I know he's I know he's locked in I know he's gotten serious About the game When he cuts his hair off

Then he'll truly not be playing fair Okay Next thing we're going to do Is I want you guys to Guess this player with only these hints And I'm going to give you guys three hints Okay Oh so this is like a hurdle

Sort of So I'm going to send the first one here Which player is this He went to Florida He's a five-time all-star And his career points for game is 13 That's all for for Bye next

Damn but take y'all two seconds yeah we know out we know yeah you know him you're all some horford experts nasty yeah one of my favorite sentence of all time okay next one two two four time all NBA his jersey numbers in the 20s and he was a 2021 steel champ a 2021 um oh goodness four time all NBA This is a little trickier. 2021. Who's popping off two years ago or last year?

Jersey number in the 20s. A little tough. Is this Devin Booker? No, he's not Devin Booker. All right. Donovan, no, Jersey number is 45. In the 20s, it's like, it's Joelle and Bede.

It's, but this has to be a guard, though. I mean, maybe, maybe not, but like, okay, it had to be, but just think about the stars who are in the 20s. Four-time All-MBAs, a lot of all-N-BAs. It is. It has to be a really good player. Is this Paul George? Not Paul George.

His number is 13, fam. Fuck. You have a Paul George jersey behind you. That's a dance, Tim. I look back and I said, Toll George, holy shit. No, four-time, four-time all-NBA probably means that he's like, recently, if it's like, if it's a 20, if he's a 20-21 Steels champ,

it's probably a guard that's not great on defense, but it's still able to like, you know, get, get some, get some production. Why does he got to be not great on defense? Where's that collection come from? I feel like a lot of the times the Steelers champs, like, you know, You can get a lot. You can get a lot of guards who might, like, sneak their way. I need to look at teens.

Come on. You know, also TikTok. There's some guesses out there. I need to get, I need to look at some teams. My mind, my mind is blinking. It's not, I'm trying to think about people who are in the 20s, and it's like, Jamalmer. Can you give us the conference?

No. You get three hands. The fuck. You're a douche. No, listen. There is. Too much silent on all NBA. Yeah, 4-time All-M-B.

I'm going to hate myself for not knowing this. I really am, too. Because 2021 is hella recent. That was last year. Two years ago. Two years ago. Damn, I don't. The 2020-2020-21 season.

Oh. Oh, is this Drew Holiday? This is not Drew Holiday. It's not a bad guess. I don't know what his jersey number is. He's 21. It's not a bad guess. Oh, dang

Okay Yeah, I'm terrible with jersey numbers to be honest That's what's fucking that's what's messing me up He's in the Eastern Conference Eastern Conference wow I cannot think of anybody right now You said Eastern Conference It can't be

It can't be It can't be Fred Van Bleet It can't be Is this Jimmy Is Jimmy Butler? This is Jimmy Butler Damn That one was kicking your ass

Yeah, you cut that one I didn't know he let the lead Like that Yeah, still champ I don't know it either Alright next one Good job Jimmy He's left-handed

Currently averaging 20 points per game He went to Villanova I couldn't even finish it Damn Yeah That was a easy giveaway Damn You all got that in two seconds again

To a leave for these games Come on now I should have known the Knicks fan would know immediately. Yeah. Okay. Two more. I'm not going to read this one out loud.

Y'all read them out loud so I don't cut you off. All right. Here's the next one. All right. So this player, his father was in the NBA. He's 7.2. He shoots 39% from 3. This is Bo, Bowl.

Y'all are fast as hell today. Yeah. I was reading this. I was like 7-2 dad in the NBA. NBA, I'm like, this has to be bowl. We're all in our back. Keep them rolling. Last one.

Too easy. All right. Drafted in 2017 from Missouri, Mizzou, dunked on LeBron. Okay. 2017 from Missouri. Oh. Not Missouri University. He grew up there.

Oh, he grew up in Missouri. Oh, then this is Jason Tatum. There we go. Apparently, I made this too easy. I know that. St. Louis. St. Louis is in Missouri. Oh.

Yep, St. Louis guy. The dunked on the Bronch geared away, didn't it? Yeah, exactly. Okay. Well, then, that was too easy for you, apparently. I should have made that harder. Donovan beamed every single one of them.

Like that. All right, last team before we get out of here, we're going to do something we did a few weeks ago. We're going to rate some disrespectful dunks. Let's go. Everybody love these videos. They were hilarious. Don was in his bag and these jokes off.

Let's see if you can do it again. All right. Y'all rate these dunks based on how disrespectful they are. Y'all rate these dunks based on how disrespectful they were. Y'all rate these dunks based on how disrespectful they were. Scottie Pippen on Patrick Ewing. This is a 10. This is an absolute 10. In my opinion, in my opinion, this is the most disrespectful dunk in NBA history. Ooh, that's a strong claim.

Go into that. Why do you say that? I think, first off, nuts in the face. that. Secondly, secondly, he turns around and looks at Spike Lee and tells Spike Lee to sit down as well. So he takes the, he takes the number one fan for the Knicks, tells him to sit down, does it in Chicago, so he has the home fans behind him. And single-handedly, my biggest issue as a Knicks fan with his dunk, single-handedly takes this incredibly tough New York Knicks team, invites them all. Nobody throws a single punch. Nobody pushes Scotty Pippen. He punks the entire team with this dunk this is the this is the most disrespectful

dunk and is a stare down standing over top of him like that's just so many disrespectful points right there alone I was saying this is very disrespectful but I'm gonna have to disagree I'm not just a just a little bit just a little bit and and give it what on a scale of one to 10 I'll get this like a cool seven it was very disrespectful what yeah this is insane I'm tripping but it wasn't at this guy you tripping but it wasn't at this guy you tripping You're tripping Okay

What about LeBron On Yusuf Nurchitch That was a cool five That was a cool six It was a crazy dunk It wasn't disrespectful Yeah Okay

Counterpoint I'm gonna give this an 8 Just because the announcer Screams the top of his lungs He made Yusuf Nerkitch A screensaver And that call alone Brings you to an 8

It was incredible That's hard That is true I'm gonna I can see the eight. I can see the eight based off of that, but if we're being like we're just on the dunk in a vacuum, it's about a six.

Yeah, I agree. When I think about dunking, you need to demasculate another man. Facts. You have to obliterate him. Talk to him. He needs to lose his entire roster of holes on his phone. I need that type of disrespect on the dunker.

Exactly. That's what I'm talking about. Let's see. Let's go recent. What about Aaron Gordon on Landry Shammit from Christmas? Oh, now that's a 10 right there. That's a 10. That's a 10 because he dumped on him.

Nuts all in his mouth, deep thrown, and then he was on the ground, and he put his nuts on him again. And that was completely unnecessary. That's fair. That's fair. The way he landed on him. He landed on him and just like just fucking got up, pushing him off him. Like, he made him his dormant.

It was ridiculous. Yeah. No, that was unnecessary. That's, I hate to give Aaron Gordon another nine, but that was a nine. that was there just wasn't there wasn't enough animosity after the play it just it just wasn't there he doesn't he doesn't hate lanchisham it you know what i'm saying but ericore's a good guy exactly exactly and that's why he just can't go to the top level but it's a nice great don't fair enough yeah and just like the biggest moment and the biggest game of the season so far like the adrenaline

every felt with this crazy game to go do that then oh Nasty. All right. Back to another recent one. What about Andrew Wiggins on Luca Donchich? Luca Donchis looked like he was... Luca Donchis looked genuinely terrified that way he shielded his head.

Max, you thought he got shot. He was covering his face. That was like a solid eight and a half, maybe nine. Eight and a half. I agree. As somebody who's in the building saw this lie, right? Listen. What a flex, okay.

The entire stadium. was silent. This is a night. This is a nine right here. Damn, he silenced the city. That might have to get you a 10 low key. This was a night.

That's the most silent Dallas has ever been since the JFK assassination. I was about to say that dude. Like, like the way that they took everyone's breath away from them and Lucas head was like these. I would have sworn there was a sniper in the building too. bro look at the way Lucas shielding himself you'd have thought Andrew Wiggins

came with a fucking knife and just like he's in pain I've never seen anybody do that after you got postered as well doing this oh my goodness what you're scared of

it's a dunk 10 10 take it like a man he's Luke it up all right what about Dwayne Wade on Anderson Bearers out

oh that's a 10 that's a 10 that's an actual 10 you know why you know why he had this man's I'm not listen I'm going to try

I do it, but I'm not. But the legs up in the air. You know what I'm saying? This man was about to get his goochate. Bro. Crazy. He couldn't get worse than that, bro. That's a 10.

Anderson Verjean looked like he got hit by a mini cooper. He flew back 10 yards. It was ridiculous. He hit the station. Yeah, bro. That was one of the most iconic Reggie Miller. Welcome to your Kodak moments. You know what I'm saying?

Absolutely, bro. And then Dwayne way... It looked like Marshall only struck him. Yeah. That's a 10. bro legs in the air in the air with a dunk like that

anderson bears out should have lost his entire family after that that's what I'm saying when we talk about last name you can't show it back to school or private school whatever your last name

being bears out bro you're getting broken oh my goodness as I'm saying when Mo talks about people being emasculated that's the definition that's what we look for

that's what we teach at dunking university you know you have to do stuff like that exactly to attend is to dunk so hard that the other person gets put into yoga exactly you got ducks into fallates that's crazy that's a good one i like that all right last one what about blake griffin on kendrick perkins that's a classic nine classic first off because kendrick

kind of a douchebag so it's a classic our match we hate kentr perkins all my homies hate kentry perkins That's one of those ones. This is one of those ones. It's like, Blake Griffin took over sports in the top 10 plays for weeks, for weeks, right? The craziest part was, the craziest part was Kendrick Perkins didn't even jump, not because he couldn't. I mean, not because he didn't want to. He couldn't. Blake Griffin jumped so fast and so high.

He couldn't even react in time. It was ridiculous. And this one, it wasn't even like a traditional dunk. This was a thrunk, right? he throws the ball in to think when he blake griffin made up his mind five feet away from the basket 10 feet up i'm i'm dunking on him and there was nothing that kinder perkins could do by any means necessary exactly this is a 10 by pure determination alone i respect that yep that's funny all right well i think that's the episode i think i'm all out of topics great stuff it was a good one

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