The Deep 3 Podcast - Overreacting To Every NBA Team's First Game | Ep. 112

Episode Date: October 25, 2024

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All right. So, do you all want to start today with me being happy or with Donovan being very, very sad? Let's just get over with. Let's just, let's just talk about it. I'm surprised I was even a question. We lead with hate. That's normal. So I think we'd start by tearing down Donovan, tearing down the New York Knicks. I almost have the Celtics. We're not tearing them down. We're bigging them up. They beat the hell out of the Knicks. Not at all. It was glorious. Donovan, you were talking crazy to me when I said that I have the Boston. Celtics whooping y'all by 12 to 15 points was way worse than that way way worse how do you feel well we'll get into that we'll get into lakers we'll get at every single game that happened in the past

two days because today as you see by the title we're going to give one overreaction to every single first game of the NBA season from every team now I say every single one it is a Thursday October 24th 1222 p.m. Pacific time so there's two teams are four teams actually that haven't played yet so if you're a Thunder, Nuggets, Spurs, or Mavs fan, sorry, your team won't get talked about today simply because they haven't played yet and we're recording beforehand. But every other team that had a game played in the past two days, we're going to talk

about it. Like I said, we're going to overreact. We're going to give big reactions to one game sample sizes and pretend the sky is falling or pretend teams are going to win it all based on one game. Let's do it. If you're watching on audio platforms, do us a favor. Drop a like and subscribe. Wow, I said that backwards. I'm all over the place today.

If you're watching on YouTube, drop a like and subscribe. If you're on audio platforms, leave a five-star review, like, rate, all that. Check out the socials. Yeah, right, let's get straight into it. And let's talk about these New York fucking Knicks. The cranium is crazy. Oh, my God. I mean, I don't know what to say.

Pray on eaters rejoice. Donovan. you go first just just just start you know the fans at home they know what happened the Celtics beat the hell out of them just give us your reaction what do you want me to say listen Josh already said it all those guys need to be drug tested like that I've never seen anything like that I've never seen anybody like I'll have that kind of barrage of three-point shooting it's one game out of 82 you know what I'm saying we we have a game against the Indiana paces on Friday whenever this comes out we'll be ready we'll make adjustments

but uh no man listen we're talking about overreactions this team is not a championship team that's like that all the all the hope that i had is very very shaky right now because the i think after the trade i talked myself into you know what you have OG you have mikhail you have Josh Hart the perimeter defense would be good enough to where cat isn't going to have too much of a load and offensively it should work so well that you can go toe to toe with the Boston Celtics. For a moment there, that was correct. They were going back and forth.

However, the Boston Celtics did two things. They were shooting three-pointers and the Knicks were shooting two-pointers. And they attacked Jalen Brunson and Carly the town every single time. And they said, you two, come here and we're going to get whatever shot we want. And that's not only, it's like the Celtics are the best team in the league to exploit that. But it clearly on night one It gives every other team in the league This is how you beat the Knicks

And you take their one and their five Who can't defend like that And you put them in the space and let's see what happens And I'm very, very nervous McHale Bridges Not even bricks Slabs of concrete We're just throwing them at the lid

Slabs of concrete Did y'all see Mike's tweet He said that McHill Bridges shoots Like he just got new arms Really? And that's so real Yeah Like all of

McHell Kale looked awful. Josh Hart was actually detrimental in terms of, like, spacing-wise. The Celtics disrespect to him all night. And it can't even be disrespect. They just played them the way that you have to play Josh Hart. True. And, like, outside of Deuce McBride, it was a terrible, terrible performance.

And you look at this team right now, and they're just not a championship team. And so I thought that they would be in the East of Conference finals. As of right now, they are not a team that is set to make the East of Congress. conference finals. Listen, the title is overreaction. I'm glad you got the overreaction off your chest. Mo, I don't know how you feel. I didn't leave this game feeling any type of way about the Knicks.

I know Twitter is melting down because it's what you do on the first night of the season, right? It's almost like NFL culture in the NBA for one day where you have one game simple size to go off of. You had months of buildup. So all you can do is go off of that. That's how every week is in the NFL. Not in the NBA usually because we have a million games to react to.

and you know you easily forget the bad ones so I get why people are thinking this especially with how Mikhail looked I love feeling the opposite my overreaction is I think

I think I like the Boston Celtics ah shocker you like an NBA champion I think they're making me a fan you know when the Golden State Warriors started their run I was obviously a young LeBron fan so I fucking hated them for just knocking down my sweet prince

year after year and I just hated on them like everybody else did. And then like, 2019 or so came around and I was like, I've had time to mature and appreciate this. And I think I love Steph Curry.

I think I just like admire this guy. Watching Jason Tatum last night, for the first time in my MBA life, I was like, oh my God, I love watching Jason Tatum right now. Like this is a different player. And I just felt like a new fat appreciation

where that thing that happened with the Warriors sunking with me for the Celtics. And I was like, oh, this is one of the best constructed roster in NBA history. This is the most dominant team I'm going to see in years. This team should go back to back with ease. I don't think the Knicks are trash.

I think they made them look like trash because the Celtics just have this ability to lock in and casually tie the most three-pointers made in a single game in NBA history. And you don't feel like it's something that's not replicable because just what they do. I think they have just cracked the code for how to build a perfect roster,

how to play the perfect style of play with that roster. Jason Tatum's on a new level as a passer. His jump shot looks smooth. His decision making was insanely quick. he looks comfortable no more hitch no more hesitation everything's clicking and I'm like wow I kind of want them to win

I'm like I feel in support of this team and it doesn't feel right Want them to win is crazy Yeah I would never I mean not want the Lakers to win I want the Lakers to win for agenda purposes But like I'm not really against the Celtics I'm at the point of appreciation of like

What could be Overreaction what could end up being a fucking dynasty at this point mini dynasty You know everyone say one of the things that you said Yeah in your long spew was that that, yo, this team is locked in. And of all the things that Joe Missoula has exposed to us over these last few months, whether we're being through interviews and all these podcasts that he's hopped in or whatever,

people can look at him, call him insane. People can look at him and say that, yo, this dude's actually a brain genius with all the minute things that he implemented with the Boston Celtics, like random fact and tangent. How they offensive rebound, specifically off a threes, is ridiculous. and it's to a scientific T. Something else

about Joe Maloosa is that yo, this dude suffers from LIS Lockton syndrome. That's him every single night. He invented it. Yeah, he literally invented it.

He embodies that and he helps permeate that throughout the entirety of the team. Something that I learned from this specific game, I guess, is that

overreaction. Biggest overreaction is that, yeah, the substance just head and shoulders above the league right now point blank period sorry thunder sorry thunder if the Celtics are playing like this i'm feeling a Celtics in five or six over the thunder like if they're locked in like this and they're fully healthy i don't know how anybody's

to beat them for the next three years assuming you know like i said they're fully healthy now we can't assume that janin brown's going to shoot like 50% from the three point line drew hall is going to shoot like 60 yeah yeah yeah also this stuff but in general like there's zero pathway for a team like the Knicks to be a true contender against the Boston Celtics. There's just no way. And it's nothing to do with the Knicks. Like their flaws aren't that bad. It's just the Celtics are next level.

I mean, it could be that bad if Cald Bridges is a student like that for show. And also if he's in a strong. He had a better second half. He had a better second half. He had a better second half. He spent all offseason, all preseason shooting one way, trying to change the jump shot.

And apparently went on Twitter in at halftime and saw everybody saying it and was like, Yeah, I, listen, we're just, we're too far ahead. You said the jig is up. Let me, let's be fucking for real. He saw Mike heard on Twitter saying his arms don't work and he's like, oh, hell now. I can't let him talk me. So if we kill shooting like that, then yes, my overreaction for the Celtics, Jason Tatum is going to be MVP of the league.

Dude, talk about it. That's the, that's the big takeaway from all of this. Because obviously the Celtics, we know, they put up more threes than anybody else. They make more threes. When they are attempting more threes than any, then like, like above league average it's almost impossible to to beat them the one thing that we could point to in their entire championship ring was like ha jason tatum you're not like that that's the only thing that we can point to was it didn't look pretty he was still doing everything on defensively

he was making the right plays right what he was doing on tuesday night was the thing that we talk about all the time where some people make passes that are in the flow of the system and they are making the right read because that's what you have to do. Jason Tatum was anticipating. Jason Tatum was not only making the right read. He was saying, I'm going to get here so that I can get you that. He was manipulating the Knicks. His shot, like Isaac said, didn't have a hitch. Do I expect him to shoot 78% and 72% from three the entire season? Obviously not. But if his jump shot can get to a point where you feel like it's consistent, there's nothing that you can do to stop the Celtics. And now you are finally going to have the visual aspect of, oh, this guy is the best, you know, two-way player.

He can do it offensively and defensively. And boom, that's going to be your MVP if he is playing like this. And if his shot looks like that. For the past two years, the debate we've been having is has Jason Tatum pass up LeBron for the best small forward in the NBA? And I know they kind of play power forward. The leagues were positions, but, you know, they're traditionally small forwards. Exactly. And we just did the rankings.

And I was coming off the finals. I was like, listen, I know he won. I didn't feel like he had a better season than LeBron did in terms of what they did on the court. If Jason Tatum plays like this for an entire season, it is not even remotely close. He is so much better than LeBron James. The way that he was- Not remotely close, wow. No, it'll be easy.

It'll be like back to being like, oh, is Jason Tatum competing with these top four guys in the league? Like, he's clearly in those convos, which he always should have been. But like, like, Donovan said, we had to be like, there had to be something to point to you because people were so pissed about them winning. So it was like, he's not like that. And now the new thing they're pointing to is maybe the Celtic style of play is bad for the league. Yeah, that's so nasty. Like, shut the fuck up, man.

Not everybody can do that. But like I was saying, one, the shot was better, right? Which is obviously the biggest thing. But a few weeks ago in the pod, I think it was the one question for every team episode or maybe it was the narrative as well. I don't remember.

I told you guys that I'm buying Jason Tatum stock that his jump shots is going to be fine. I think he's going to come back, fully locked in and look like the best version you've ever seen of him. And, you know, it wasn't necessarily a, fully agreed upon thing in this room.

And it looks like it's happening. And not only because of the shot, which is the part that I expected, the decision making is the part I did not see coming. Certain guys, you said certain guys pass with anticipation and manipulate the defenses. That's definitely part of it. But certain guys can identify that decision

and anticipate that in the blink of a fucking eye. That's what makes Nicole Yokic the best passer in the NBA. Guys like Luca can do that, where they come off the screen immediately before your eyes watching as a fan can look at the different corners, figure out where they help the finish coming from the ball's leaving their hands or you're stepping back taking the three attacking the

rim whatever the choice they make is they're making it instantly that's what tatum did last night or two days ago yeah there was like a three play sequence where he had a crazy skip pass to the side to a shooter i forget who it was to derrick white the next play to derrick white it was like a left hand it was like a left hand pass as well yeah the next play uh they ran a pick and roll deuce mcbride switched on to him he went downhill attacked immediately no hesitation he didn't stop gather do his shitty little crossovers to take over time where he's just standing there doing nothing he just went downhill and attacked next play same thing step back through immediately it was just no hesitation in a way that if he's to acting like that you literally cannot guard the Celtics if their engine

it's just snapping on that way it's cooked i agree something that i feel like he's done over the offseason and over the last few years specifically with his game uh is that he like got back down to the basics and the he really like simplified his game didn't over the last few years specifically overly do like the pretty boy basketball. I think you call it the U-Killam basketball or whatever. That's like almost dead in the water pretty much. And what we saw what we saw happen in the NBA finals when it comes to the leap and the turn that he took when it came to to his decision making carried on and even looked like

leveled up from them. And something that I've like told y'all when it comes to like his the passing instincts, the terminology for that is just like two, there's two different passes, two types of passes in the NBA who are good. The reactive passers who just make the simple pass and never forces anything and then there's like the proactive passes, which are like literally some of the best passes in the NBA

where it be LeBron, Nicole Yok, it's Luca Donchich, and we're starting to see Jason Tatum bleed into that a little bit. And if he does that, hmm. Come on, man. Top fiver. He's top five forever. I was

very upset. I was having one of the worst. nights of my life, I look over and there's a camera in my face. Audio. Audio listeners, for context, we were taking a car ride from Boston to New York. I didn't lose my school. This man was watching the Celtics. Absolutely, you blow his team's back out, but like 40, 30. And I did lose my cool. I didn't lose my cool. I didn't lose my voice ever. It is what it is. Yeah, go to my Twitter and you'll look at the thread that starts with this picture. Because listen, okay, we said enough when it needs to be said about the Celtics.

The Celtics fans, I know you come to this pod and you expect hate, it always happens. Mo hates Tatum. Donovan hates everybody. I am not a Celtic fan by any means. I've defended Tatum, but I have not been the Celtics fan. I'll tell you that. We are, I'm on board. I don't know about you guys, but at the very minimum, we can't hate on shit right now. I'm cool with the Celtics. Never hated them in my day in my life. No, I can't stand these dudes. I appreciate greatness and they want me over. I'll say that. I do not like them. Back to the Knicks. Donovan was in his bag of misery. We got this picture. This is how it started. He was having a very bad night. You guys can't hear the audio, but watch these videos below. He was just in the worst mindset ever. He was talking about Mikhail.

Please hit a goddamn layup. There's another one on my page where he started playing you. I know, all you hear the background. Loving you was complicated. Donovan's just freaking out. Go look at my Twitter and look at this thread. That was the lady. That's her.

I understand the reaction Why you'd feel that way In opening night Because you guys made these big moves And Kat didn't look good defensively It's not why they lost But it's not It looked, I think, as expected

But it's not why they lost McHale, you give a five first-on picks To get him And he's terrible and can't shoot That's disastrous on first glance You know They made a trade Right before training camp started

It's gonna take time to get acclimated They have to work out kinks Same thing we're gonna see With Tim rules We'll talk about them later I'm not reacting to them in any type of way. They'll be fine. The Celtics are just a fucking buzzsaw.

Exactly. I view them the exact same way. Like I just said, they just made a trade right before training camp. I know, like, we be over here saying power of friendship and all that of this stuff, but these guys haven't played with each other for. Macau Bridges hasn't played with the Jalen Brunson and Jailen Hard's of the world for years. I never played with a guy like Carr Anthony Towns before ever in his entire, ever in the entirety of his life. So there's a lot of jelling that has to happen.

Tibbs is going to have to get into his bag and fur, figure out ways to empower Cat a little bit more. And yeah, it's going to take a little bit, but they are what I expect him to be. I'll talk to you. I'll talk to you guys about the next week because I just can't be objective right now. I'm still very, very much in it. Hey, man, just say it. The people want to hear it. Tell us your feelings.

Tell us your feelings right now. People want to hear that shit. No, I said it off top. Like, best of overreaction. I'm looking at this team and it's just like. You feel like you made so many steps to inch closer. And just as you did that and the Celtics are down Porzingis, you go and you get destroyed on opening night.

It's like, are we as far as we were before we made the deals? And this was one of the, this was one of the issues that I had where it's like, I wanted to see, at least for one night, Julius and Dante with everybody. Let me just see what we had. and then we can go from there. You still have Mitch Robinson, who, again, is hurt right now, but he's going to come back and he's going to play that center position. The center position right now is thin because Mitch is out,

because Precious is out. Jericho Sims is out here getting run in the first game of the year. They feel like they still need tinkering. Aside from, like, chemistry aside, they still need some tinkering. There's going to be another small move, whether it's by an acquisition or, or you do what Josh Hart was, you know, hinting at last week, which was him coming off the bench.

Obviously, this is ground zero. You have to build from here. It does not feel good. And when I look around the league and I look at games that happened last night, yeah, there's some teams that people should not be surprised if they end up either higher than the Knicks in the regular season or you get to a playoff series. And they're the ones playing the Celtics in the conference finals

because there's also some really, really good teams in the East. Mm-hmm. You already talk about the Roman characters? Let's do it. Ew. So,

Lakers versus Manny in Minnesota Timberwolves. You got Pat Ryan. You got him. My overreaction is the Lakers

are one in the fucking finals. I'm sorry. Get on board. Ew. That was a funny thing. My overreaction is my overreaction is

that I think I might have just been right about J.J. Reddick. And I say right because I chose to believe that he is Pat Riley just because because I wanted to be true.

And I made that very clear that I'm believing this guy because I like him. And I think he's smart and I think it'll work. Just a hunch. No real reason to believe that coming into the season.

And the preseason started. We saw X's and nose wise promise. We saw him lay the right ground works in the preseason to make us see that he's going to do a lot of things right that Darvinham did wrong. And, you know, we talked about all he has to do is be competence

and this team will get better by the nature of not having Darwin scam in that locker room. Turns out we were right. Jason first game JJ Reddick was in his bag The exes and those that he employed Were incredible

Tim MBA is a really popular Twitter account That's a Lakers fan Who does really high level analysis He's the founder of basketball index And he charts every single Lakers game Hand by hand and talks about Their Exes and Nose and stuff

He said that is the single most Set plays called That he's ever tracked in the Lakers game That's the best half-core offensive play calling He's ever seen in a Lakers game How long he's been doing it? Probably like seven, eight years So it's been some bad coaches.

Yeah. So not, no, not necessarily hard to be better than Darvinham, Frank Vogel, and Luke Walton.

So keep that with a great assault. But it showed this team is a team that has LeBron James, old as hell. And then some guards that aren't necessarily

the highest level playmakers in the world and their best players Anthony Davis, who isn't a creative for others, right? So what do you have to do to make up for that

without overtaxing LeBron? You have to install an offense that creates advantages and let your play finishers thrive like AD and he did that. The frequency of play calls were incredible. The way they were able to flow action to action,

use LeBron as a ball handler, have him come off a handoff, then go into him setting a screen while stuff on the week's had it's going on. It was, it was great. We saw Rudy Hachamor Duncan on people because he was wide open through the flow of the offense and could finish. We saw AD have an insane game because he was open through the flow of the offense and could finish. I was in heaven. Something I love seeing JJ Reddick do is see certain players for what they are. and run away from their weaknesses and tell them, you know, if you want to be successful, not only like on this team,

but in this league, you have to, like, do certain things. When it comes to Ruehachimura, like, in general, his role in the NBA is to be like a somewhat of a bucket, but in the way of you, somewhat of a bucket. Yeah, cool like 12, 13 points,

you know what I'm saying? Then go home, back your bags, whatever. But in this game, the aggressiveness and how he attacked the rim while, you know, doing random spot. up things, it's exactly what he needs to do in order to fill in the gaps in the holes that this Lakers team has offensively. They're very limited when it comes to those options. And for him

to do that, so like, beautiful. Yeah. Don, what did you think about the Lakers? How'd your hate watch go? I mean, it went terribly. What do you mean? They won the game. Like, I wanted them to lose. The biggest difference that came out of this game and I, like, on both sides, the Lakers instantly on night one felt like a team that was already connected. They felt like a team that already had very, very high chemistry. And on the other side, with the Timberwolves, you felt the disconnection. You felt that Julius Randall probably shouldn't be here right now, right? He only put up nine shots.

But at the same time, it didn't feel like he fit into whatever the Anthony Edwards plan was. And the only times that it felt like he was, you know, doing stuff is whenever, like, Dante had the ball in. can, you know, play a little too many game with him, or Julius just was like, hey, I am by myself on this block right now. I haven't taken a shot in four minutes. Let me just go and, you know, bully ball my way into taking a shot. And they weren't all great shots. And so I think for the Timberwolves, that's something that for the first month or two, we are really, really going to have to monitor it. How quickly can they ingratiate Julius Randall into what they do? Because

obviously trading away cat is a is a big thing you have somebody who can handle the ball you have somebody who can give you some more offense you didn't really see that in on uh on on tuesday night so that's the that's the that's the thing on minnesota but l a shout out shout out to y'all and i was i was on your side i was also convinced that that uh that j would be good i hope that he wasn't because i don't like the lakers but i thought that but i thought that he would and it it night one it's already clicking. They're going to be good. Yeah, I guess the overreaction for the Minnesota Timberwolves, if, you know, nature of the episode, we give an overreaction take is that the trade was a mistake, that they're going to be worse. And it obviously, right, Julie's Randall could never

fit with Gobert. Now, the measure take is, this is, this should be exact what you expected. Well, you know, we did the show in Boston where we did the preview of all these games. And I said, I see the Lakers winning because Minnesota has to gel with the Julius Randall thing, figure out how to make that spacing work. And LeBron James is the perfect defender to nullify all the bully ball bullshit that Julius Randall wants to do. That's precisely what happened. That was spot on. They're going to take a while to make it work, right?

The first year with Kat and Gobert, it was disgusting. It took forever for them to figure out how to make that spacing work because it's hard. It's not, you know, Gobert is a terrible offensive player. It's hard to figure out how to fit around. He might be the clumsiest, seven foot. Again, not worse, just clumsiest seven foot I've ever seen. And it's hard to make that work, especially with Julius Randall, who is even worse of a fit than Kat was in terms of places on the court he wants to occupy.

Kat wanted to be down low too, but at least he has just quick release trigger threes that can fit off of him off ball. Julius Randall doesn't play like that. He doesn't want to catch and shoot and hoist three's nonstop. So it was always going to take some time. It was always going to take some time to figure out how to use his passing without him being too passive, you know, how to get him to compliment Anthony Edwards while getting his game off, how to get him comfortable defending in space and being able to funnel people

into the Rudy Gobert and take advantage. of that shot blocking like it was never going to be an overnight fix and the lakers were a bad matchup with or without them being comfortable together so i'm not overreacting on the trembles yet yeah for sure but um if there was one thing to over to overreact on i'm looking at anthony edwards and something that i expected them to take a not a leap in necessarily it's one game so i have to act kind of crazy the anthony abrid leaps is a slightly disappointing he took like 13 threes known as overall throughout his entire career he's been a pretty much a high

volume three point shooter and he looked like he looked he wanted to make that a real emphasis all right cool I understand that but also at the same time too I would love to see an emphasis improvement in other areas of his game when it came to his like decision to make it on all that and it just wasn't

there I feel like if he was to make that next step and be the face of the league like the NBA and everyone's trying to push him to be that has to be a thing that has to be a thing His passing was terrible last night. Also, that block was crazy with AD. Oh, my God.

Everybody, he's like Dremont. Everybody that goes against Gobert has some shit to prove, get off their chest, and it takes extra, take exception with being able to shit on him. But no, Anthony Edwards' passing was horrible. He was getting, like, he couldn't dissect anything. Honestly, he had a very rough night there. And I'm glad you mentioned the high volume of threes. How do you guys feel about that?

Because, you know, if you're a great slasher, obviously, the way to make your slashing even better is if they have to respect to high level three point shot. And we heard comments from him during, I think it was media day where they asked him what he worked on in the summer and he said just threes.

He said that, he said that he said that the only thing he worked on was threes. And I'm sure the only thing is to be taken with a grain of salt. But I think he kind of meant that shit that that was the main focus of his is this summer I'm gonna come back

and be an elite three point shooter. And to your point Moe, that makes a little sense. If that's what you do all summer you come out game one, you're gonna fire them because you're thinking I'm gonna be in my bag.

Let's make this work pay off. We saw the same thing when Clay Thompson came back from injury where he had all that time off. You could tell that he was in his bag channel. Yeah. You could tell he was doing skill training trying to get his middies off and stuff because he has all the time of the world to get better at that.

He came out just taking all these fading mids. Yeah. That showed. Do you guys want to see him be this crazy high volume deep one shooter? Not really. I don't think, I don't, it's very weird because I don't think that it maximizes aunt the best. However, I think Ant being a high volume three-core shooter will help maximize the team if Julius Randall is out there because you do need spacing. So you have to you have to pick on are we going to try and have Ant Be fully maximized or have them at like 95%, 90% and have everything else work a little bit better and let Julius get more involved in the offense.

That's the decision that they have to make. And if I don't mind it, because I don't feel like he settled too much, there maybe were like two plays where I was like, okay, you probably could have, you know, got, got to the rim. But it wasn't an awful shot diet, in my opinion. Yeah. I saw somebody compared to someone said that he did what De Aaron Fox did instead of what She did, where Deeran Fox went straight to, I'm going to be a high bar and three-point shooter and then drive to the rim, whereas Shay kind of developed his inside out game. And he kind of made sure to get the mid-range game developed, the post-game developed, and work, you know, well-rounded before you get to the three-point stuff as a priority. Interesting in terms of, like, just different approaches to being a driving guard that, I think that makes sense. That is what Deer & Fox did compared to Shea.

Yeah. And also, like, if you are, if you are athletic like that, you, it might make sense to work on the three-point shot before the inside-out stuff. where like shea she's not the level of athlete that d a foxes or that or that uh aunt is so it makes sense like i'm never i'm never going to be the guy that's consistently blowing by people i have to i have to rely on angles you know getting getting to my spot so it makes it makes it makes sense from that perspective and it's what makes don't of mitchell great too you have to respect to three and he's crazy athletic and get by you so it's a mold you've seen work before so it's not crazy the aunt wants to do that yeah yeah it's just like i understand the new pathway that

that we're taking and that we're going to as the NBA continues to evolve or whatever. But like, it's just more than just like shooting threes. There's other outlier things that you have to work on. We watch the Celtics and all we've labbered about over the past like two, three years since they've had this style of players, like shoot three, shoot three, shoot threes. And they've been doing the same thing. But really the main difference for them for the Celtics like last year compared to the last two years or they've been doing the same thing.

Is this like how they did it? and there's a real science to shooting theories. They're just not shooting it just to shoot it because three is more than two. It's more than that. Oh, back to Minnesota. Another thing that bothered me, their point of attack defense was horrendous.

It was so easy for those Lakers guards to march around those screens and get into the paint. Jackson Hayes had a great game. You guys know how I feel about Jackson Hayes. That shit was easy because he was getting all the dump offs in the world because the guards could not stay in front of the Lakers guards

and Riego Bearhead to help or whoever else was in at center. and they could just dump off Jackson Haste to be a play finisher. It worked. He looked like Javelle McGee out there. It was so it was so easy for him. Yeah.

And I don't know if that's a just first game thing or if that's just going to be what the Timberwolves have because, you know, the narrative was Julius Randall. Maybe, but the narrative was Julius Randall isn't, you know, that much worse of a defender than Kat. But Kat had, you know, developed into a decent defense of four because of what specifically that role he had to do, his size is pretty helpful back there

to have both him and Gobert on your back line that you know it's a different equation with Randall who's more of a like on ball defender he's not necessarily good helping at the rim so if you don't have that positional size at both positions

they can figure it out because you still have Gobert end of the day but it's going to be an adjustment period for sure everything that we're saying coming out of this game 100% just proves that we probably can't take the Tim Wolves seriously until we get to about Christmas

because then you're going to have that a good enough sample size to say you guys have had time to work on stuff and practice and play all these games and get everybody in the spots that you think that they should be in so we do have to wait some time. Last thing on JJ last thing on JJ for me though

shout out to him got the whole whole crew wearing panted dunks he knows ball right oh really I didn't even catch that listen he has he has them swagged out so he's doing a good job I like that Okay, I think the Timberwolves, you know what it is. Right now, they look like the team that we thought they'd be the night they made the trade when we got on the emergency episode and we were like fucking yuck, ew, why the hell do they do this?

But then as the weeks went by, we were like, okay, once they get time, we see how they can completely morph their style of play and be close to the same level with Randon, Devenzo. But it's going to take time. So now we're going to wait and see if we were right to think that time will make it better. it's looking like the initial reaction at least as of now might have been closer to being right and as

this is overreaction episode so I'm going to get the key to you right now you are right even though you evolved your opinion on that trade I did not listen past that moment and I'm thinking about what you said on then I was right yeah but I think they'll be fine

I think those still be I agree I think if if it I picked them to be the four seat I think at the end and I really struggled with four five six being many Phoenix Grizzlies If you tell me they're closer to six

and Phoenix and the Grizzies are both better I won't be shocked if I'm just like a little bit If I gave them a little bit too much credit I won't be shocked Yeah

Yeah They looked like a team That made a humongous trade Somewhere to like The New York Knicks Exactly it takes time Yeah exactly But it's a reaction

The next team Huh This is my time To get my shit off Right now Let's go ahead And get it off Let me get out of my system

All right Okay The New York Knicks versus the Brooklyn Nets I mean my bad The Atlanta Hawks versus the Brooklyn Nets. There we go. Okay, so something I will say is that this is a very good time to be in Atlanta Hawkshire right now.

No real expectation. You have some form of like formation formula in place that looks like it works. Big guys who could shoot, pass, and defend. Let me introduce you to one Dyson Daniels, aka Future, MIP of the entire NBA. Put up 15 points, gave us hellacious defense that you've been begging, crying for. I introduce you to a Dyson Daniels who will be either first or second all defensive team in the NBA. I also introduce you to one, didn't do too much, but also Le James Johnson, shades of LeBron James in his game. He was even old man LeBron today.

Put him similar stat lines to LeBron from just two days ago. And also, if I'm overreacting, O'Neiko Khan was going to wait. make an all-star game this year, bro. Are you kidding me? He put up the, he had the best game of his life. 28. 28 points from Reek of Kongwu?

He'd getting up to catch all these types of lobs? I thought that was in his game. I lied, and I'm a very happy fan. So you shifted from Jalen Johnson most improved to Dyson Daniels. Okay, staying within house. I see it. I think it's either going to be one of those two genuinely because of the opportunity that Dyson is going to get.

So for the first time in a minute or maybe an NBA, you're going to see two players from one team. like compete for one award I can see that no Dyson Daniels was amazing he was everything as advertised the defensive ceiling that people sold themselves on

when the trade happened they were right that guy is a problem and on Yucca had an interesting game one I'm not gonna react too much because the Brooklyn Nets interior defense is fucking piss especially after Nick Claxing

got his ass ejected because he wanted to punch Dyson Daniels in the fucking face like it's 1984 that was crazy so after that they had Ben Simmons at the 5 and like Derrick Whitehead and it was just like yucky it was really easy

for Trey Young to make interior pressure and just finish these lobs to Mnika but look at this play just now look the way he gets back behind the defense and catches his lob

like his mobility is coming off of this screen which is a confusing action to defend if he can be this type of like vertical lop threat and they have the passers to hit him outside of just

Trey Young I think Jalen Johnson threw that and obviously like Dyson Downs can pass a little bit we'll see if Voki can fill that role Risha Shai should be right

to pass like if Onykekeke can be this always available vertical threat, this is going to be the year he finally breaks out. That is one of the main reasons why he hasn't been able to overcome and surpass Clint Coppola as a starting center because Clint just naturally

gels extremely well with Trey on the offensive end. O'Neiko's not he's not known to be a lot of threat. He's just an easy, put back, you know, type of guy get a WV at the rim. And for him to make that emphasis to like, yeah, I'm going to sky high this year, he's easily going to be a starting

center for this team. And that just like elevates the team overall because even defensively he's better than clincapella and when it comes to his mobility guarding smaller players and all that so now rebounding still he's eating in his highlights he's yeah you know he looks like prime shack in his bitch and i'm so happy right now this is what we've been waiting for yeah we talked about it on the senator episode where we did the rankings i had him a lot lower than you because i was saying that like i believe in him like i've always liked his game but he hasn't made the leap yet and i've been waiting forever and it just hasn't come. And I wasn't going to give him credit just because I

like his ceiling if we haven't seen the development come in terms of impact. First game in is looking like it's finally coming. So shout out on Jekka for coming. Shout out to me for believing a ceiling and doing what you did not want to do. I don't think I was wrong. We were ranking off the last year. He didn't do shit last year. This is an overreaction episode, man. And I'm just taking all the coins that I have. All right. You're rational. All right. You got it. But no, I I like the formula. And I think Onyika, his mobility is nice when you also have the crazy wing mobility they have

of Jalen, Risa Shea, Hunter, and Dyson Daniels. You can just have a crazy switching defense with Onyke at the 5. Like, he can switch on the perimeter players easily. Yeah. This team is set up for Trey Young also. He's going to go on a campaign to be the best, show why he's the best point guard in the Eastern Conference

coming for your guy, Donovan, Jalen Brunson. And another guy, too, in Milwaukee, probably as well. I was tired to let you have it. I was tired to sit back in. You cannot deny 30 and 12. Too much dip on my chip. Relax. He didn't know too much dip on my chip.

What do you mean? The overreaction, though, I'll agree on this. For me, on the hawk side, the overreaction is that Tray Young, like, will make an all NBA team this year. Easily. Like, we've said it over and over that he is one of the most, like, underrated players at this point in the game. And if you can have some type of competence around him and Trey Young, is coming out every single night and getting you 28 and 10. There's only so

many 28 and 10 seasons that you can have back to back to back to where people are like, eh, that's empty, that's empty. That doesn't mean anything. One of them is going to pop. And the Hawks look really, really good. Granted, against the team that we all think is probably going to be, you know, one of the two to three worst in the league. Yeah. Like, look at this, look at this point. Like how easy this was for

Ronecke. Look him to split this defense. Those guys are non-existent. Ben Simmons is just standing there, not even trying to fucking rotate. However, on the, on the net side. Look at that. It's like, practice. Yeah, that's bad. What is Ben Simmons doing? What has he done over these last two years?

Which crazy is he actually, I actually kind of saw the vision on Ben Simmons. I like the way they used him. It wasn't super great, but I like how they used him as like a dribble handoff hub. Yeah. The way he was walking the ball up and he kind of looked like Sabonis, but without the like post-scoring offense, he couldn't score. But the way he was passing and like organizing offense looked a lot like Sabonis. Exactly.

I came out of this game and I was like, is Bensonman going to be productive this season? Like, do I think that he can actually contribute to a team? Maybe. This Nets team, though, this might be one of the best tanking years of all time. You're going to get all the losses that you need. You're going to get the scoring that you need from Cam Thomas, who, again, scored 36 points last night. He's going for the scoring title.

And one of these forwards is getting traded. Ben Simmons is not a five. Look at this. He comes over rotates. This is why he's never been five, even though people always say they should do it. He doesn't really offer me. much rotating to the rim. See, you see that, but I see a tremendous

pass made by, what, maybe the fifth best pass on our team in Bogdanavanovich? Love that. Love that. It was a bad defense, not going to lie. It was a fine pass, but the rotation was there. He just didn't do shit. Which doesn't be the problem. I like the vision of how they're using Ben Simmons, but, like, it's

just cool. I don't think it's actually going to be that good. Like, he'll be good in fantasy. I think he'll get me, I drafted him with the last pick of the draft. He'll give me some rebound, some assists, occasional points. Like, you know what team he'll be really good on? I need to see him on the Charlotte Hornace next year, honestly, man. Put him at the floor next to Lamello, Brandon Miller, alleviate the secondary playmaking responsibilities of Brandon Miller.

I would love him on that team. Put him on the Hornets. That would be fantastic. Put him next to a high-octane explosive guard. Honestly, like a couple years ago on my YouTube channel. I'm sorry, can we run this playback of Cam Thomas, man? Oh, my goodness. I don't know where we were.

He is hilarious. I lost it. He took, like, I think he took 27 shots last night. That's disgusting. Listen, tank command. I think one of your, one of your hot takes the season was he's going to be like top eight or top five in scoring. Off to a good start through night one.

It's going to happen. He's going to happen. He's going to happen. It's going to happen. I'm glad you mentioned Charlotte. That's going to be the next team you talk about. This was, you know, last night I was on a plane watching all these games, which is nice because I could be really locked in.

I didn't have anything else to do. But I was watching most of the games as much I could on two screens. I watched every second of Sharma. Charlotte versus the Rockets, I didn't click off once. I was locked in because these are two of my favorite rosters for the season. I think I predicted both of them to be playing teams, which I don't really know if that's a hot take or not. I think at least the Hornets are considered I think by the masses to be pretty shitty. I don't know if people necessarily expect them to come back to relevancy. We all do. And everything that we said about both teams was 100%

apparent in this game. We were just spot on. Charles Lee came in from the Celtics. these guys are playing Celtics basketball they are getting threes up they're living and dying by the three in the first half they died by that shit in the second half La Mello ball went berserk and they came back and they beat the Rockets

because in the second half the Rockets off and stalled out because they had too many guys as we expected they couldn't really put the right lineups together and Men Thompson looked amazing didn't get a ton of men's in the second half Jalen Green

it looked real cool but he shot them out of the game in the second half he was also like Anthony Edwards where he was shooting hell of threes trying to do the same same thing, I think. It didn't go well.

I saw a stat from Jackson Frank. He said he shot 14 off a dribble shots. God damn! Guess how many he made? 11 little shots for threes. Three. You give him some credit. He made four.

He looked like Jalen Green. I was watching and he was flashy and I was like, oh, is Jalen Green making a little leap? Then I look at the box score. I was like, fuck, he's four for 17. It looked like that. Read the color rookie. Not much to take away.

way but yeah men thompson was a demon guarding interior exterior he made a spot up three he attacked the rim had a good dunk clearly one of their most productive players and they have a log jam of wings they can't give them a ton of minutes and it makes total sense to me they start off strong and then those things start to come in while the hornets make a run and they just fizzled out overreaction is they need to make a trade yeah yeah feelers are going to be hurt egos needs to be put down fine And overreaction is lamella ball is making all the NBA team. And Brandon Miller is a priest who is promised and give me all the Hornet stock. Charles Lee coach of the year.

That was my thing. I was going to say Charles Lee coach of the year. We're all in on the Hornets. We are all in. The one thing I want to see is just that's all I want. It's just a healthy lamella ball. And if we're going to get it, they are in the, they're in the playoffs. Like top eight, top eight playoffs.

I'm not talking about playing playoffs. Ooh. Yeah, I don't know. It's tough out there. But teams are going to get hurt I picked them at 10 I can see them getting up to 8 because some teams bow out with injuries

That makes total sense Like the Miami heat Ooh Oh we'll talk about to get some later yeah But also Also Oh this is an overreaction Because I think this is just a good take

Alprin Sangoon is making His first all-star team this year I think Easy Yeah that's Sangoon I agree Pro his three point shot

Look nice And I've been labeled A Sangoon hater I'm not I just think Chad Holngren's better And I'd rather have him long term That also that dunk was crazy Brandon Miller rose the fuck up

I didn't know this was in his bag I was unfamiliar with his hops That was crazy No Brandon Miller been like that He's for real PG-like I know But Sengoon looked amazing Again back to the

You know it's funny I was looking back On that pregame We did that stream I mentioned Where we previewed all these games I got every single game right In terms of the outcomes Except for this one

This is the only one I got wrong I went 11 and 1 Because the fucking Rockets fell apart in the second half. But I said they were going to win because I thought Sengun was going to cook because Mark Williams isn't hurt

and their center room is Nick Richards and Diabate. Diabate is the worst tenor I've seen this year. He was horrific yesterday. And the first half, Sangun tore them a new one. It was crazy. He was going nuts down low,

just abusing Nick Richards, who is very average. And that was the vision, I think. I think that's why he's going to be an all-star. Any night they play a team with mediocre to subpar bigs, Sangun is going to get his game off and he is going to eat i remember the specific talking point i had i predicted i don't know my

record was for like the predictions episode during the stream but i do remember saying that yeah i got the hornets winning this one even though like there mark will you agreed i found out that he was i found out that he was going to be hurt i thought that the hornets were going to win this game um and although it didn't look like how i thought it was going to look like i knew i had like put a little bit too much talking and nick rick and nick ritchers you were telling me how much of a he is or whatever but um seeing the way again just you know it's respectful it's respectfully me just like he's just not a guy you know he's not a guy he's a dude just not a guy um but yeah seeing the way the horn is like already have their identity set in place is the reason why the horns or

the houston rockets are going to have like such a volatile up and down season and they're the complete opposite of the charler horns in terms of just like they don't have the horn is half pieces but they're not all over the place scatterbrain to have like the right amount of like young talent who knows their role if they want to be on the scene for a long time there's a clear direct pathway for you to do so you know it starts a little ball it brandy miller comes comes right behind them and then they have the other guys like train man fulfilling a six man of the role prophecy like he damn deserves to win it this year probably um and yeah there's just no questions i just don't have that many questions for the shot i don't have that many questions for

Tollhorn as compared to the... I have questions. Their bench is terrible. Their bench is not good. I mean, that is true. That's not a question. They need Mark Williams. Their back up, their big man situation is horrible.

In the second half, actually it worked, but they had Grant Williams defending Sangoon. And that was their best look. It ended up working because Diabate was such a liability guarding him. But they need some bench pieces. I don't know if that's a trade or just Mark Williams being healthy, which isn't something you can rely on. But that's kind of scary for a night-to-night consistency. But back to Sang-Goon real quick.

You guys know how I feel about DeMonte Sabonis. You guys know that I'm not necessarily a fan of his style of play, and that is because he needs a ball in his hands for one because he isn't a good three-point shooter. And he also doesn't give you room protection. That to me is a hard archetype of center to build around. I think Sangoon is a better defender

than Sabonis by a little bit. I'm not necessarily bullish on him being a great defender one day by any means. But, but his two-point shot looked really good last night. Yeah. He had multiple with good rhythm, good form, good confidence, which has always been the issue with him. He is not a confident shooter in the past.

If he's going to be shooting a respectable three-point shot while still being able to bring the ball up to court, attacking space, use his handle, attacking the posting, its mismatches, all that stuff. Buy stock, because this is an all-star. Trust me, brother, I've had my stock for quite a minute now. You're late into the train, but you are welcomed with wide open arms because you finally see the light in Sangun. Now, I don't know if he'll be an all-star. the light. I just see the light and Chet Hungren more. I don't know if he'll be an all-star because his Rockets have to be like, yeah, they have

to be that stacked. But in terms of like being a legit all-star talent and being comfortable, like, yeah, that dude's like he's up there in terms of NBA rankings. I agree with that. He'll be an injury replacement all-star. If that's the case, and sure, I love that for him. Yeah. Yeah, him, him, Wembe, and either Jadov or Chet are going to be first time all-stars, I think. replacing Kauai, Paul George and what?

Who's the other one that went to the east? Carlton Towns. Also, Gobert probably isn't going to be an all-star. Hell no. He can never. John Moran will replace him. Yeah.

So, yeah, we'll have about five or six new all-stars this year. Either way, overreaction is both these teams are legit. Keeping on both these teams are going to be better than people think, I think. I agree. What's the next time? What's the next team we want to overreact about?

I'm excited. Donovan, one uh listen we'll talk about the the heat and magic game on on one hand we'll start with the good palo ban caro you will make an all NBA team yep that is that is here um listen he had he had 30 very like it wasn't like it wasn't the smoothest 30 because there were like a lot of like miss just like layups first half was inefficient yeah but you see you see the vision and everything that we've been talking about with Palo, it did kind of come to, like, fruition. And I was very impressed with how his offensive rebounding was, with how physical he was

getting to the basket. Again, the first half wasn't great. But listen, he was just a dog. And I like, I like his, I like his scoring. That's been my entire, like, Palo, like you, like Isaac says a lot or like I say the argument for him is very very much I test and just watching him and seeing like yes this idea of him yeah yeah this this is a this is a good player this is somebody that the magic can can build around and can be like their guy and I saw it like I do see everything that that Orlando wanted him to also Franz Wagner three of six from three love to shout out to you that is what we need then that that and that That is going to be a difference maker.

If you can be in that 38 to 40% range, that's good. I only wanted 34%. But you're out here shooting 50% on night one. Props to you. So shout out to... 100%. Yeah, shout out to the magic last night. Let's keep talking about the magic before we get to the heat.

We're going to have a lot to say about the heat. On the magic side, I think I picked them to be the seventh seed in our predictions episode, right behind the Pacers, which was a hard choice for me between those two. and the reasoning was I think their offense won't take the jump that people will expect I think they'll be around

with the word last year a little bit better because of growth for the young players but I don't think that like Casey P will make them an amazing offense

what I didn't consider enough I think looking back is that KCP would make them an unfuck-witable defense dude KCP and Jalen

Suggs as your two starting guards is nightmareish as well as having two big forwards that can defend in space and a good big man rotation

they might be a top two defense It might be them and O KC as the clear top two defenses. Yeah, them. Oh, yeah, I agree. It's them, okay, C, or maybe even like the Boston South is considering the Drew Holiday. And they feel like Drew Holiday and Derek White-ish on defense is fucking scary, bro, literally. It's them too.

Yeah. So maybe I should have given a little more credit because the defense that maybe just something I just overlooked that maybe they should have thought about them as like the five or six seasons instead of seven. But even offensively, I still do think the offense will be middle of the league, which is enough. if you have the second best defense in the league, to be amazing. But I, Palo still didn't have a super efficient game. First half was just like weird jitters,

I think. You miss him easy shots. But my biggest thing with him is why I've been high on him long term, but not as high as him in the, currently as some people are, because I think people get ahead of themselves of what he can be versus what he is right now. I think people too easily give him a break

because of the spacing excuse and really he has some skill teams to improve. One of those skills I've always said is his footwork attacking the rim to be able to use his side. and, you know, be more efficient at the rim for reasons other than just spacing. That was improved today. There was one point in the second quarter, I remember, where he came off of pick and roll

on attack Haywood Highsmith, who was retreating in like a mini drop, and he hit him with this like super agile Euro step, half finish to finish over him with his length, kind of like what Yonis does, where people keep backing up and then he just goes over and finishes over them. He did that, which is something that he didn't do a lot last year because the footwork element is difficult to do that with. I saw that and the light balls went off. I was like, okay, this is what I need to see more of to make that leap. Because I think the shooting's going to be fine.

But that footwork attacking the rim and being able to use that size functionally, that's what's going to make him a superstar. Yeah, the spacing also felt a little bit better. I think that same play that you're talking about, there was a, who's that other white shooter that they have? Duncan Robinson, there we go. He was along the wing is all showing hands and stuff like that. And he just simply like cut right through those guys with that Euro step,

he finished that you're talking about. and he treated he treated Haywood Highsmith as if he was like 6, 2, 6, 3 that dude is like 6, 7, 6, 8. He can damn to look

Paulo in the eyes, bro. But it's that strength and that girth that really set the difference. Exactly, he hit him with the shoulder ones and then hit the two steps which is exactly how you use

that body type because Palo is tall as hell. Palo's huge. Palo has gigantic size and sometimes you don't really feel that way. Sometimes you don't feel his size and I think it's important

that he made sure everybody feels the impact of every inch. Wow. So the Miami heat, right? So there, so listen, the heat are, the heat, we're going to talk about Miami.

They're not going to make the playoffs, man. This often sucks. O' reaction is flag is inbound. This team is, they are not fun and they are horrendous. And every, it seems like every year,

Every time that they make the finals, they go back and they say, how can we make our life harder? And they just keep doing that until they make the finals again. And then they restart that path of how can we make things harder? I just don't. I'm not high on this team at all. Yeah, me neither. I don't know how to feel because my biggest issue with not being high on them is I think the Rozier hero backcourt is going to struggle to make it work both ways. And people in the comments, obviously, you know, when you're down on a team,

a predictions episode their fans are going to swarm and hate you they were telling me reasons why they know it was a small sample size that i was reacting to they only started eight games together played 11 games together which is fair perhaps i was too hard on a small sample size i think there's good reason to believe that small sample size will continue to be the same so i don't really regret that part but people had uh people were very confident that jimmy and bam have a bounce back season and i carry with this good amount of spacing and like be very strong as a duo. That's why they were horrible last night. Those guys played like shit, bro. If you look at their starters, I think at one point Bam was like one for eight and Jimmy was one for six, they were just

getting punked out of the building, not being able to get anything going. And that'll obviously not be the case every night. But it wasn't an encouraging start when those two guys have to be very, very assertive. Yeah. I think on my season's predictions, I put them like super, super last minute before I send my list over I just like okay fuck it like just put them in the seventh seat instead of an eight seat or instead of like a 10th seat like you really want to the black voodoo magic got to my veins

and poisoned my mind I have no hope no reason to believe in or no logic to believe in the Miami whatsoever for any reason no good reason bro just straight up black magic and just like poisoned gut feeling and I was wrong

again it's just game one but overreaction you were Oh, and another overreaction that I have for the Orlando Magic to touch back on them real quick for two seconds. I don't know why, but I forget how deep they are. And I mentioned him on our stream yesterday, Isaac, or two days ago. Anthony Black, if he can do what he did last night, hit a couple threes, playmake like he's been known to, and, like, hold their defensive identity to be true. God, that's just another fantastic guard that they have off of the bench that they'll eventually. make room for and put him

starting alongside Jalen Suggs in the future, the team is loaded. They're so deep. 10 rebounds, 4 assists, 6. 6 rebounds, 4 assists, 10 points. He was 4 for 9 from the field. One for 2 from 3. Yeah. Athlete Black could definitely be a game changer.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, listen, everybody was good in this game. Yeah, again. There's not a bad stat line on the magic from this game. The heat just came out flat. This is one of the ones that if you're seeking an overreaction, you will get it. Again, first game of the season fuckery, they'll be better.

But again, if you're somebody like us who was low on them, you're feeling decent. You're feeling decent right now. Shout out Charlotte. Shout out Charlotte. Why? Because they're going to be better than the heat. Oh, yeah. I would love that.

Actually, no, I did I do that? No, I put Miami at 9, Charlotte at 10, pretty much out of social obligation, I think. I wanted to put the hornets above them but I was like Can I really? Is that gonna come back and fuck me? The black SUVs were outside I understand the position you're in

Yeah, I get it, I get it Yeah Sometimes you gotta temper your expectations With your hot takes And I've got it by emotion And I was like, do I really think that? I don't know But trust I wanted to

I'm just not necessarily brave Okay, next game We talked about that Indie versus Detroit I watched the first half of this game because they started first I didn't catch the second half which is funny because the first half

man Detroit was in their ass Detroit was killing them dude Tobias Harris watching him like be empowered I was like oh oh maybe he's not something for this team maybe he has some juice left in the tank when he's not standing in the corner watching Joel and beat cook

oh Kate Cunningham looking assertive I know the third quarter started and he scored like 10 points in two minutes and was going berserk Jaden Ivy looked good to start Jalen Dern was physically punking Miles Turner like every physical big does because Miles Turner

looks like he does not try after he got paid and it was looking good Tyree Talbert was like one for eight from the field in that first half and I was like oh good Lord what's going on

maybe the overreaction is prime Halley's not coming back like it was for those two months last year and then second half Pacers did Pacers saying they came back and they stole the game

the Pistons got on series the second half and blew it I don't really know what to take from this game now something that I will say is that that one random dude who I fell in love with two seasons ago now, I believe. Benonette Matherin, he inserted himself back into the equation.

He came out, played fantastic defense, hit threes, tough shots, and did the normal trash talking shit that he does, that he does. Now, this is all dependent on the growth of Tari's Halliburton and, like, the flaws that I see within his game in terms of like the cap on the ceiling potential, on the scoring potential which like showed to be a little bit apparent last night only once only got to the line once took i think two free throw attempts or whatever um yeah two for two if bannon can insert him can insert himself into this equation and overtake andrew mhardt again in the starting lineup this this indiana pacers team might have a little bit more of a ceiling depending on him

and also tires halber and those two have to coexist at their highest potential in order for it's happening. Nemhard, I love the dude. All right. He's such a simple player and you need him on any, on any level of championship team or high, high contention team to compete. But he's not what's going to be taking you over the top. But as a matter and his growth, keep an eye out for him and just navigate that. Notice it. Yeah. This is one of those games where I actually don't know if I have an overreaction just because the final, the way that the game played out and the fact that the final result ended up with the paces on top kind of felt like exactly what I thought these two teams would be like for the for the year and if you're

Detroit finally like you are having some success with Kate Cunningham I thought Tobias was going to come in and be helpful he also didn't shoot well from three the whole team didn't shoot well from three people in the second half exactly they shot they shot 27% for the game they they weren't a good three-point shooting team last year they should be better but probably still not elite this year so this is kind of how their season is going to go you are going to have some good games from Kate Cunningham, you're going to lose late a lot, and you're going to see some improvement from your wings when you have, you know, T.HJ and Tobias Harris and stuff like that, but outside that, the Pistons, we've been hoping that they would be at minimum fun. Like, if you're

going to be bad, at least be interesting. And that's probably their role in the lead this year, is that they are going to be the team where you can push a couple teams from night tonight. You're going to be able to steal a couple games. But ultimately, we're going to look at the end of the season, you're going to have 20 wins, right? Really? First half of the game, Tobias Harris was six for nine from the field. Tobias Harris was six for nine in the first half, and Jaden Ivy was two for four. Second half, though, second half is fun, because in the second half, Tobias Harris was,

he was like one for four. O for four. And Jaden Ivy, three for nine. But also in the first half, Kate Cunningham was one for eight. And people were tweeting like, I told you all, he was never going to make a leap. in the second half he was 9 for 15 went on a heater. So I can take away absolutely nothing from this game. We'll see what they do

in game too. The only thing that I'll be able to take away from the Detroit Pistons is that you guys are fun. Simple as that what Donovan said. I will watch you guys and I will not be disgusted. That's bare minimum. There you go. Shout out being fun. What game do you want to talk about next?

We can go ahead and talk about the Noron's Pelicans versus the Chicago Bulls. my biggest overreaction I can take away from this both ends Zach Levine is fucking him all right he's one of the best shooters

in the entire league he's I don't know where he ranks but I'm just going to say his top 10 point bank period in terms of the three point shooting and how explosive he can get as that level of a shooter on the opposite of the things

for the Norris Pelicans did you just find this year's version of Derek lively is he's messy is that his name Isaac Like, I never, I feel like never. Missy is he going to be your version of Derek lively?

Is he just going to come out of nowhere and be your saving grace? Because with how like his hops and how athletic and explosive he was in terms of shot blocking was insane. Offensively, he was cool too, was fed a lot of buckets. It was a lot of like James Hardin and Clint Capella S between him and Adjante Murray. So you can't expect much out of a rookie center like that. But in general, yo, he's productive. He's viable. He's not like hurting your team when he's out there.

Yeah, they need him to be that. That's why they drafted him because they have no centers and it's terrible. They need him to be productive right away. He's actually like the only rookie the heck of game yesterday. We saw a lot of welcome to the NBA moments for these rookies, which we'll talk about soon with one notable one. Mizzy was good. His role, again, he was playing the Bulls.

And like you said, he's been spoon-fed buckets. But he played that role. And sometimes that's all you need from a big like this. You need a room runner who can finish plays, hold his own defensively, be big and do the easy stuff. He did that. And that's precisely what they need from him all season.

I guess the overreaction has to be related to Dejante Murray. You know, he broke his hand. He's going to be out for a while. Sometimes broken hands take six to eight weeks. What's that going to do to their team? It means that this team is going to be really good. A side note.

It's not, what's that? Go ahead. I was going to say, the NBA released these angles of like, I think they're like drone shots or whatever, trying to make it cool.

It's terrible. It literally makes me want to throw open. We just saw it in the highlights. I know it makes me dizzy. It's too much movement, right? I can take a different angle, but you have to stay still, relax. But, yeah, on the Dejante Murray thing, and it has nothing to do with Dejante Murray.

I just think you obviously traded for this point guard, and you had to ingratiate him into the offense and into what you're doing. And now he's going to be out for six to eight weeks. You're just going to go back to how you were playing last. season right whenever like like zion zion was out last night he was he was sick he's going to be back he's not like anything long term but you're you're going to be able to have a more familiar rotation and so i think that that the pelicans early on are actually going to they're going to be okay

and they're going to be pretty good and from that point from that perspective i'm not worried about them for the first you know what you mean i thought the first second too because i'm obviously with you if they have too many pieces. So I was like, great. Now they have one less piece. And Desjante's not the piece I think they need to be losing. I think Dejante's good. And he had a good game last night.

And I think the best version of this team, once they figure out who their pieces are going to be, I think Dejante is going to be the one of the ones that stays. I think his ability to get downhill and be a playmaker and kind of guide the offense is going to make them better, especially while Trey Murphy's out right now. Because now they have no Dejante and no Trey. So point B.I., Point C.J. McCollum is back,

which worked fine last year or never mind I guess Zion can handle a lot of that but I think they need him I think if they're going to be at their best they need to empower him as a lead playmaker and you guys know how I feel about the one that needs to go being Brandon Ingram sure he can fill that void they kind of occupy the same spaces on the court

but it's a bad thing long term I think to lose that time with Dejante jelling yes counterpoint though the way that it will help is that Brandon Ingram, your trade stock has the opportunity to grow right now is your time to who and show everybody around the league what they are missing. You have an opportunity or the pelicans have an opportunity if Brandon Ingram goes off in the stretch to now have a trade piece for everybody else and say like, oh, do you need some more juice on offense?

Do you need a score? Do you need to insert somebody into your lineup? Here's somebody who can effortlessly get you 23 to 24 points a night. And I think that, like, when that happens, you trade Brandon Ingram, you bring DeJante Murray in, that's fine. You, everything doesn't have to be done all at once. We don't have to, we don't have to trade BI and get DeJonet Murray back healthy in one day. Things can take a little bit of time. And I think that the Pelicans have one of the deeper rosters in the league.

So they, more than a lot of other teams, are able to withstand injuries and they will be okay. And so I've, that's, look at Patrick Williams. That's how I'm looking at. He's not, he has no aura. Look at these big ass shorts. This is big jersey of number 44. He looks like Brandon Bass. It makes him look huge.

Hey, yeah, yeah. We're not disrespecting Brandon, back. My bad. He looks like Jared Solinger. Yeah. It's like Jared Solinger. He looks gigantic. Like, he's a fit guy.

It makes him look wide. He has no aura. Oh, man. He's trying to beat you, man. It's okay if you have, like, if you wear a big shorts, you just have to have the game to follow up with it. And he just, I mean, big, it's, I mean, it's only kind of okay. It works for Trey Mann, but he has no oral with it.

Let's keep it there. Well, what's the next game we're talking about? All right. So, next game that we can flap our gums about is going to be pretty short, pretty quick, because neither of these teams are very much that interesting. But to go and say worries versus the Portland Trailblazers. Portland Trailblazers, something I'll say is that they might need to launch Chauncey Billups into the sun.

There's no other better way to put that. He's out here, shitting on your players, saying he had not a great... Pull the lever. Yeah, pull the lever. Just do whatever it is to get him out of the city of Portland. Yeah. I got nothing good from that team.

Nothing good. I tweeted about this. Let me pull up my tweet what I said last night. I think this team is an absolute embarrassment. My overreaction is everything relating to the Portland Trailblazers makes them borderline unwatchable, and I will only be watching them because it is my job,

not because I enjoy it in any sort of fashion. They are absolutely horrendous, and I'm ashamed for them to be in the NBA if this is going to be the product they roll out all season. Because first half, Donovan, you had a tweet

where you said the Golden State Warriors look like a team that's on the trail budget's level because the Warriors' offense came out bad. They started their five best players being Steph Curry, Andrew Wiggins, John Finca,

Dramong, and T.J.D. they're five best guys I think maybe pods is in there I don't know the problem is of their five best players only one of them can fucking shoot and it was gross to start they had to figure out the spacing they didn't do well to start the game

then after that lineup came out they came out with the lineup that has instead of their five biggest guys four of their five smallest guys they wrote out a lineup of Steph Pods healed Gary Payton Kevin Looney equally fucking gross

and the team looked bad and I was like oh my god what's up with the war This is so gross. But then the second half of the game came along. Third quarter warriors, the trailblazers thing. No, third quarter blazers. That was one of the worst quarters of basketball I've ever seen.

Every play all they did was a high pick and roll with a mediocre guard and a mediocre big. Very easy to defend. On defense, every play, all they did was double team Steph Curry and had the laziest rotations in the world behind them. The Warriors picked them apart with that big starting lineup because all Curry did was, walk up, get double-teamed, throw it with the Draymond. Drayman threw it to whoever DeAndre Aiton was guarding, because nobody was rotating as a big behind them. They picked them apart, we're inside outpassing.

It was so easy. They made the Warriors look like 2015 Warriors. And I was just watching, like, good on the Warriors for getting a good groove in the second half and being the fuck out of a team they should beat the fuck out of. But I didn't learn anything with the Warriors. Like, I don't know if that's going to work against a team that can do anything other than a high pick and roll. I don't know if that are working against a team that's a team that's a team that

it's going to do something smart instead of just doubling stuff on every single play like a high school team we'll find out but all i do know is the trailblazers if you're not somebody who has to watch every game for a living do not fucking watch them because you're not going to have a good time i fully agree and on the warrior side shout out to buddy hugh for turning into clay Thompson like they did miss clay thompson because buddy hill just filled that role perfectly and he was an absolute Flamethrower, but I, yes, they won by a gazillion points last night. For all the reasons that we saw in the first half, I am still extremely worried about the Warriors this season.

Yeah. Because they kind of make a trade, man. When you play a competent team, like Isaac said, those problems are going to show up so quickly and you're not going to, you're not going to get a buddy heel flamethrower every single night, right? I don't know. I don't know where the Warriors fit into the Western Conference. Dude, to be honest with you, as each and every day goes on, like, I don't have to sit down and be real as an NBA fan, but yeah, there's like zero path, absolutely zero pathway for them to go ahead and win an NBA championship. So I can understand like why, even

when they trade, if they would have traded for a lot of marketing, they're still probably not going to win, but you at least have to have a good park out there to go out swinging with step curry and although like they blew out the blazers this is still not like a fantastic product like if they blow out their blazers with like some like jonathan comminga clearly showing another step or leap taken now overreaction so i'm overreacting right now this was not like a very encouraging ball this is like yeah like simple math basketball blowout if i saw pods like go in and give us like 25 or something like that and do a whole lot of insane on on ball creating that's not necessarily part of this game

I'd be like oh my god yeah like here this is the product that I've been waiting for but if they're gonna go like this I wish more than you would have unloaded the clip every day they did yeah they had them could trade of some sort I don't know who it's gonna be Steve Kerr is selling the fans and the fans are buying it on their depth being the best they've ever he they've ever had

for this team they're just amazing they can play 12 guys in a game and they can come out here and beat the shit out of teams you have to play 12 guys not even that well one when you're beating the hell out of a bad team that's when every coach is going to play all their guys

that's just coaching 101 but uh they have all these guys their depth is good they have a lot of good NBA players but yet every line they put out there looks fucking stupid

because the players just don't fit together they just have a strange conglomeration of talent that if you want to put the best guys out there and do the locker room politics needed

with the guys who need to get paid soon and need to be prioritized it's just we've talked about the past. There's no clear route to a starting five that makes a ton of sense, has a floor and a ceiling, prioritizes who needs to be prioritized. I see the vision in their offense. It's going to be good. It's going to be the same way it always is. But there's no way to predict them being higher than like the eighth seed if everything goes right unless they make a move to have some pieces that make more sense. Free stuff. Yeah. And like, yeah, maybe they'll be the eight seed.

Maybe I'll be wrong to say they're going to be 11, like I said in the predictions. Oh my God, an eighth seed. Congratulations. I think they can get into the playing if other teams get hurt and collapse and they are who I thought they were, but teams above them disappoint. That's possible. But I refuse to believe this team has the top six ceiling with this current roster. Yeah. I 110% agree. This team is painful to watch. Painful. Oh, so shout out to Jermon Green for getting his first technical foul on the very first game. You are exactly who I thought you would. You were and you always. Congratulations. I am still familiar with your game, Draymond Green.

And I love you. I love that form. Yeah, just be insane. I like it. What's the next game I have written down to talk about? I lost it. Oh, Toronto versus Cleveland. I'm not, I'm not talking about this.

Oh, that's funny, because I have plenty to say. And what I have to say is, oh, for reaction, I was right as hell to tell you that Evan Mowgli is going to have an all-star leap to the season. Dude, Evan Mowgli put on a master class. he made Scotty Barnes look like a child Scotty Barnes looked like a second round pick who's entering the league trying to score against Evan Mobley

his defense was ridiculous that is apparent that he's ready to make that leap Moe you talked earlier about Dyson Daniels and Jalen Johnson dukeying it out for a most improved player they're duking it out for the silver medal to Evan Mobey's gold

because Evan Moby looks like he's going to walk away with the most improved player after this game he might be DPOI I went out on the limb and I said I don't think Vic is actually going to walk away with it like everybody thinks I said maybe it's going to be Chet.

Man, maybe it's going to be Evan Mowgli because he looks outrageous and offensively kind of a double-edged sword. First quarter, I was like, okay, it's still kind of yuck whenever Jared Allen's out there with him. There's too much Evan Mowgli

sitting around trying to get offensive rebounds and find his path and try to figure out how to get his game off when everybody else on the court with him in terms of starters. But as soon as Jared Allen sat and we got center, Evan Mowgli, he was feasting.

He scored 10 points in four minutes in second quarter, literally as soon as Jared Allen sat. Allen went to the bench. You know what it looked like? It looked exactly how it looked in the playoffs last year against the Celtics when he got empowered to be the center and he was getting his game off with ease. I don't know if they should trade Jared Allen or not because Jared Allen is very good. What I do know is if Evan Moby plays the five, I can guarantee you he will be an all-star. So what I'm hearing is that Jared Allen needs to leave because although

he will be a very competent above average team, you will never be like a great team led by Jared Allen at the center position the race has to be passed on to everyone you can be good but you will never be great no they can be a great team whatever that means to you they can be like the three seed or whatever I think was it Donovan who predicted them the highest putting them three yeah probably they can do that with both these guys

because they can play enough minutes with them separate and like really really lean into them not playing that much together that's possible but in terms of them looking at the Celtics in the eyes that's the level of greatness that I'm thinking of come on come on they're not about the Celtics they're never good unless they sign they

no they can't the best for them They're the second best team against some of the past year. Who gives the fuck if they're the second best team against them? They still got their ass with... That's the low level of like, can you look at them in the eyes we're talking about right now?

You played three rounds in the conference files. They can look them in the ankles. They can look them in the ankles. Unless they sign Luca Donchitz and Shea, they're not going to beat the Celtics. But to your point, they can be good with Jared Allen

and Evan Mobley, but they'll never maximize Jared Allen. You'll never get Jared Allen, I'm not Jared Allen. They'll never maximize Evan Mobley. You're not going to be able to see Evan Mobley's truest potential unless Jared Allen is gone. And maybe that doesn't matter. Maybe they're more focused on maximizing both them together and think that's a better path to winning,

which actually might be the case. I'm not necessarily saying they should trade Jared Allen. But as soon as he misses some time, Evan Moby's going to make a ridiculous leap and conversations are going to have to happen. As soon as he misses some time. Yeah, it can miss time. Like, you know, it happens. Like if Jared Allen gets sidelined for five games because he sprains a wrist, Evan Moby's going to go berserk. And I think he might go berserk even with Evan Moby, I'm with Jared Allen fully healthy in there. Most improve is in the eye line. But I'm very, very bullish because Evan Mobley looks like,

well, the shooting isn't there, the interior scoring is there, the post game is there, the defensive presence is there, the passing is there. Like, I'm seeing improvements in every way outside of three-point shooting. It's like a traditional four that you don't really see these days. They're more like fives that they are. In 2004, Evan Mobley would have been just the next feed on. The next thing.

And shout out to Evan Mobley for having a good game. and picking up the slack because darius garland we want to be on your side you can't shoot three for 12 every game please don't do this now i don't even hate all the shots that he took i thought that a lot of the shots were like fine he was just missing and he probably on a natural night he probably could have walked away with like a five for 12 night and you would have felt kind of decent but we heard all offseason or we were trying to preach the fact that he's fine he's healthy he's gained the weight back, right? It takes a lot from breaking your jaw and losing 15 pounds to immediately be thrust back into the situation where you're another small guard and you have, you know,

you're playing alongside D. Mitch who got rolling last year. I need to see something more than 3 for 12. That's that's it. That's it. So you're embarrassing me, Darius. I decided long ago that I'm going to ride and die for no matter what. Because I bought stock early and it's been made clear that I will not turn on you, but you're going to embarrass me. And I still won't turn. on you I'll go down with the ship but just know I'm noticing we're here we're not leaving but I don't want to be homeless because I'm part of the fan club forever so just know you're going to get me laughed at on Twitter because I'm not going to pretend I'm not going to admit that you're bad so we so yes so show up Darius Toronto I hope you guys have fun in the lottery y'all

suck y'all y'all hey R.J. Barra wasn't there the second best player wasn't there he's the savior they will still be in the lottery at least my fantasy team is hoping so they're still in the lottery they are not they're not good. another horrible we were right about something i can say yeah they're going to be horrible they're going to be horrible um shout to to gradie dick hopefully like continues to improve i saw him attacking a little attacking the rim and all that didn't necessarily settle all the shots can't come from the three point line uh cool stuff to see in terms of their development outside of that i have no words and also i can't believe chris boucher is still a toronto raptor holy shit shout out to

shout out chris bouchet long tenure we have two games let's talk about can i talk about a game that was one of my favorites last night. No three games actually. But yeah, tell us about it. Memphis, Utah, cinema. Memphis, Utah was fire. You thought it was fun? I thought it was horrible and I had the worst time in my life.

We all know why it's horrible. It was because you're a guy that you advertised. I was having a very bad time. Demon Edie was very absent. He was not there. He wasn't as what you described. Walker Kessler made him look like a child like you said earlier. Literally wasn't there.

Walker Kessler is a demon slayer. I'll say that. Walker Kessler is just amazing. Demini turned into Pee-Wee-Eedy. What has happened to this world? This is not the NBA that I envisioned. Yeah, no. He played horrible.

I'll say that. He got in foul trouble immediately. He had a bad game in every regard. The game was too fast. Will Hardy is one of the best coaches in the NBA. He looked Zach Edie in the eyes. It was like, oh, you're going to have a bad night, and I'm going to make sure of it.

And he made sure that happened. Walker Kessler ate his lunch. Zaggy-Dy is a player that has extreme strengths and extreme weaknesses and I believe that those strengths will win out in time but as a rookie it's going to take some time to not have more down nights than good nights because some nights you're going to see those weaknesses exposed by a smart coach and that's what happened. He is too groundbound, not vertical enough to contend a Walker Kessler under the rim.

Walker Kessler is really quick, has really good foot speed and show what a real NBA center looks like and Zach Eadie has to learn to use his size to make up for that because that is a lot to deal with. John Collins really mobile really fast Not someone you expect that he to do well against This team Welcome to the NBA

It looked exactly like it looked a few years like seven years ago now When Pat Bev made Lonzo Ball look like a child On the first game of the season That's what these guys did in Zach Ead facts All right cool listen we got we got the we got the bad stuff The Grizzlies are gonna be the two seed in the West man These guys oh these guys First of all

John Morant is back John Moran showed up, 22 and 10. He looked as explosive as ever. He was as dynamic as ever. That was awesome. Desmond Bain. Desmond Bain was who've been taking step back threes. And yes, the Grizzlies only won by two points.

The game was a little bit, it wasn't as close as the score would have suggested. I feel like they pretty much had control over the game for a long stretch of it. Utah did make it run and got back into it because Lowry was hooping. but I never felt like Utah was actually going to win the game. I always felt like Memphis was good. There's that aspect of it. Jerry Jackson Jr. is on his way back. The Grizzlies played 11 guys at least 15 minutes last night.

It's something different when you put in 12 guys and everybody plays five minutes because you're beating everybody else up. When the game is like within eight points and it's still a respectable margin and you have that amount of depth, that's that's awesome and if you can keep Zach Eadie in the game for however long you actually need him and he's not going to foul out I think that their depth and the fact I think that their depth I think that their defense I think that John Morant being the player that he is is going to lead them to win a lot of games in the regular season I am so high I wanted to put the Grizzlies at two in our in our predictions but I was trying to be I was trying to be calm and I was like it's you know they're

coming off a lot of injuries. They already have injuries. Let me give them a little bit of time, not put too much pressure on them. I fully believe in them. And they're going to be so good. I'm all in on Memphis. I believe them, too. I'm just real scared of the injury issues.

I'm real scared of their depth once they lose key pieces. I feel that. But then look, they lost the day. We saw Jaron Jack Jr. was in the game and Edie was, you know, finicky or whatever. Then boom, Southia Aldama stepped up. Even the boys. I believe 26, 27 off rip with the cuff. That is the depth that I saw Saltaudama.

I didn't want to overtax someone like that. But God damn, if you can come in and be like super serviceable and reliable similar to ways like that we saw Brandon Carr a couple of years ago, fill in that role. All right. I may be back on the Memphis being the two seed or at least three seed. Look at this. Two seed is. You got your man, huff out here.

It's easy to say they can be the two seats. I'm overreacting, brother. What do you want me to do? What do you want me to do? It's a title. too come on this tough man i really want to be case you guys know i fucking love the gritty's i want it to be the case so bad but man the conference is so stacked that i hate that i'm with you and they can be as good as we hope they are and they're still like the fifth seed because the conference is

ridiculous i understand that but i think that they are i think they're good i'll focus on i wouldn't focus on the seating because there's so many good teams i think they can push 50 they can win 50 wins that's very like oh that's kind of bet they hit 50 wins that's kind of stamp for me be a man that's cowardly be a man you're pushing sitting in three with you're pushing 53 54 with this team I mean sure I guess I'm I'm I'd say like I don't know 501 52

which is still really good I just I don't know John always misses 12 games at least he's never played a full season and I'm scared of this team when they lose ja I don't think Marcus Smart are good I'll say that oh yeah Memphis fans are so like they kind of hate this guy they kind of hate this guy

they were so the vision of Marcus Smart that has not yet come to fruition. Yeah, they're treating him as if he's like Grant Williams back when he was in Dallas, like same type of timing. Yeah, I don't know if he's long for this team. I think you could definitely see that becoming a trade deal. Yeah. On the on the on the jazz side though, they are also good and they're doing they're doing the thing again where they're going to steal a whole bunch of games and they're going to be better than than you think that they should be on paper because at any, at any point they can go on these like 70, 80 runs. The three point shooting is, is, is, is really good.

Like, they, I, I like them. Ultimately, they're probably still going to end up as, like, the 13 seed because they're going to tank it in the second half of the season. But up until Christmas, they will be good. And it's not going to be an easy game going and playing against Utah. Why do they play such good basketball? Yeah, again, we talk about it in the predictions episode, but everybody's so comfortable putting them at 14 because the teams above them are, like,

flashy and fun and you want to believe they'll make these leaps as young teams. So they're like, I thought Utah 14 We don't go fuck about Utah People are not familiar with Will Hardy's game They're going to be competitive In every single game Against almost every single team The Grizzlies are elite

They had to fight to win And I know they don't have Jaron So you could say they're going to be even better And ZD Zach Eidi is obviously going to be better at some point But still man The Jazz are never going to be Terrible fit by the way

I was not rocking with that I was not rocking with that Jaron Jackson Jr. fit But it's okay He'll be fine Let's keep in the West and talk about another potentially elite team that didn't look super elite last night. The Phoenix Suns versus the Los Angeles Clippers. Did you guys get to watch this game?

I did. Yeah, I had it on in the background today or last night. It was quite a roller coaster because in the first half, I was like, ha ha, ha, the vision is here. Budenholzer is great. The Jazz, the suns are looking awesome. We're getting out to a big early lead. I was right picking them to be the fifth seed. then the third quarter came around

and I look up and I see half time and I see wow Devon Booker hasn't done a fucking thing Kevin Durant hasn't done a fucking thing extremely passive

hopefully this comes up in the second half and the third quarter starts and the clippers punched them in the fucking mouth they were so physical their defenders just got under them made life hell

as a Tailoo team is bound to do and of course Ty Loo being Tailu being the best in game adjustment coach in the NBA came on the second half and made them pay for not getting Devin Booker and KD alive. They made a big run.

And, you know, I talked a lot about positive things that I have a vision for the suns being great during the predictions episode. The thing I didn't focus on enough as a potential downside is this team as soft as baby shit. They are really small, really non-physical. There is a world where teams give them trouble because Devin Bookers, they're starting small forward

and they're starting other two guards are small and non-impact defensively. There's way too much pressure put on Kevin Durant, to be a perimeter defender to be the only rebounder on the team because Yusuf Nerkich is useless. There's going to be games like this where they just get pounded

and they're way too small and way too soft and unless Ryan Dunn makes a big leap and can be a starter at some point which I guess is possible, games like this are going to happen. And luckily they pull out the win in the end because they got serious

and James Hardin kind of run out of juice in overtime. He had a good, but we saw the up and down the good and the bad of the suns in the game. Yeah, they can't, I think Sons can't afford against better teams

to have second halfs like that where the bad really shows Yeah, I mean it's a whole new system And I think when you include When you have so much of ball movement It's easy for certain players Who are expected to get their shit off Just get lost in transition

Or in translation And they're just like Are two in the flow So I think that's what I read from the Phoenix Suns They did pull it with the win Big ups to them But it wasn't like a very encouraging win More so in my mind

It was an encouraging loss for the Los Angeles Clippers because one of the narratives that I put my flagged my foot down on is that, you know, James Hardin is going to have a killer season. Now, you look at the numbers, you see what, 29, 12, and 8. Damn, those are prime James Harder numbers. They're like prime James Hardin numbers, but this was not like a prime James Hardin. This is the peak top tier old man James Hardin was getting his blowbys, wasn't necessarily getting to the rimbrim finishing, but again, those easy like, you know, four, five feet, four or five foot feet away from the Basset fitaways, getting those folders in and all that. And he is like a real gamer. His mind

is fully functional. One of the smartest offensive lead guards in the entire NBA. When I'm in terms of fully functional, he's just genius, bro. But in terms of just like what his body will allow him to do, that's what we'll be holding him back. He's like 34, 35 years old. But as long as you can maintain this level, just like, yo, James Hardin, I have a thousand breaks on my shoulders, carry this over there, he's shown that ability to still do that bare minimum. You said this is an encouraging, you said this is a good loss for the Clippers. There will be many a good loss for the Clippers this season. This is the team, like you said, led by a really good innings cruncher and James Hardin,

someone who can just like fill the stat sheet up and get your team moving in a good way at this point of his career. But in the fourth quarter, you see the times like that where he's forced to create advantages against teams locked in on him, they pulled their shorts up, They said, you're not going to beat us in this game-tying play. It's going to be a bit difficult for him. That was a very taxing game. If he has to do that for 82 games because Kauai never comes back,

which will probably come back at some point. But I don't know when. Will he? No. I don't know. That's a lot to ask a James Harden every night. I saw him burn out in the end and I was like, ooh, can he make it through 40 games of this healthy having this kind of usage?

Like, I was kind of worried about that. And, you know, with a great coach, a great regular season play like that and good defenders, they will be competitive. in the same way as Utah Jazz will. Good teams are going to close out games just like the Suns did there and I think you're going to see a lot of good losses for the Clippers all year.

I'm somewhere in the middle of you guys because I do think that like the James Hardin experiment you can't have what you had last night go on like Isaac said for a million games but honestly the vibe for the Clippers pretty high, pretty good. Like I kind of liked everything about the Clippers situation last night. I like the jerseys.

I like the arena. I like the lighting. I like the on-court product that they were putting out there as well. I just, as I've been saying also, I just don't think that you can ask 30, what, 35-year-old James Hardin to put up 30, 12, and 8 every single night. And if that's going to be the key to your offense, you aren't going to win a lot of games. You guys are going to be outside the playing race. And it's just, it's not sustainable. It's fun, but it's not sustainable.

sustainable yeah it's like they have all the structure there and have all the pieces needed not pieces they have all the skeleton needed to make sense and you see the vision in the same way they've you've seen it in the last several years of this era where you see Thai loo and you see some good engines and you're like okay this is a good team that has a high ceiling but then you just look around and they've just been stripped of so many parts that they just don't have the juice anymore make it all their way have you seen their fucking bench their bench is bullshit It's, Kai Jones, Nick Platoon, Kevin Porter, Jr., Chris Dunn, and Amir Coffee. First of all, Kevin Porter, Jr.

Kevin Porter, Jr. is worse than shit. Kevin Porter Jr. is the worst player in the NBA right now. It looks like he's horrible, one brave in the field. He's worthless on the court, worth us off the court, terrible guy. He should not be in the league. You guys know how that goes. I like Kai Jones. He's athletic, has some potential there.

I like Nick Batum. I like Chris Dunn. I like all these pieces individually. That's all you got off the bench. None of those guys can dribble. It's not pretty when James Hardin is. out there. Shout out of Amir coffee. Didn't miss a shot last night. You

were productive. He was good. Yeah, I forgot to say his name. All those pieces are good, but they just, they miss, they have a big Paul George size hole that it's hard to fill and hard to imagine them just getting out of the mud and finding a way to do it good without him. Oh no. Really?

Or a Kauai Leonard size hole. Who would have thought? Or a Kauai Leonard size hole. So, if he comes back, I could totally see, like, when we thought Kauai Leder was going to play games. I had them as the 11 seed. And I was like, I just think even with Kauai, they probably aren't going to be good enough because Kauai's going to miss games. Now that he's MIA and we have no clue when he's going to come back, if at all, I don't know how to be

optimistic about them. I'm not. I just see him as good shit, man. Yo, shout out to the wall. I do love the wall. Shut up the wall. Shut up Steve Bomber, man. I love seeing an owner that cares and has love for his team and it permeates to the entire organization. Shout to Steve Bomber. I wish the team name was something other than Clippers so something good can have. happened to him. Sadly, he's cursed with decades and decades of generational trauma being a Clippers team. But he's doing everything he can to overcome that. Yeah, man, we see MB. This is going to be one of the more talked about things for NBA players in the vision. They're going to be like, yeah, walks into the Clippers arena, stepped into that free throw in line,

nightmare. Statistically, I really can't wait to see, like, I don't know, James Wiseman tore his Achilles. Oh, no. Oh, that actually sucks for him. Damn. That's, that's sucks. Yeah. And I mean, it sucks for the Pacers, too. He played pretty well this first few minutes yesterday. But Isaiah Jackson is also hurt. So they, their backup center position is looking. That is tough. Really. They're frail.

Jaris Walker. I got good news for you, buddy. Oh, he played like shit yesterday. He looked bad. Your agenda for him being a top 14 power forward was losing yesterday. He looked awful. He looks like you trying to force it and try to fucking earn a spot and it's not looking good. And he didn't even have

major minutes. He was bad in the short amount of time that's yeah that's why that's why he didn't get major minutes i know said himself and then get more listen listen listen okay last getting to talk about bucks versus 76ers yes this is this is the only game i didn't watch a second of because um sixers are not whole so i had to not watch a game and i picked this one to be the one i didn't see tell me what you guys learned you learned some stuff about about dame um and the fact that like dame still has some juice. I think, I think that's, that's one of the, the most encouraging things is that he, he came out and he had like a flurry. And for the bucks, that's all, that's all you need. And

especially going into like this regular season, when you don't know what Chris Middleton is going to give you on a night to night basis, you really need that offensive punch in terms of creation from, from Dame. And so him being able to do that, yo, shout, out to you because they, they really do need that. Gary Trent, Tori and Prince, all of them, solid. Like the- Hold on, hold on, hold on.

Gary Trent, Jr., something I'll say about him, he played his ass off defensively. No, at no point in time throughout his NBA career, was he known as a defender? And he took that to heart. I don't know what beef or whatever he had with Tyrese maxi, but he made sure that he made his life hell that night, whatever he was switched on to him or saw him coming up the court,

bringing up the ball. Like he, if he's didn't, be that level of defender my goodness this team has a real ceiling and they might be alive even with like the woes of the actual chemistry between yonis and dame on the court gary chris was that guy and troy and prince was doing troy and prince exactly so i guess like for them the trio of the three like wild cards for them that are actually going to play every night dame gary trant and troy and prince that was a very very solid trio and that that is something that that if you're a bucks fan, you can be excited about because, again, you don't know what

Chris Middleton is going to get to you. And so probably that starting five is probably going to be one of the more consistent five that you see for Milwaukee. And it looked good. Granted, they were playing against the Sixers who didn't have Joel or Paul George. That's fine. The whole thing about this team is that the chemistry between the two-star players didn't work. You added new pieces. You want to see it have, you know, you want to be able to see the vision. And, You 100% could see that last night. So I think it was a good game for the bucks. On the Sixers side, y'all better send Paul George to Germany.

Send anybody send Joel Embed. Hope he passes whatever investigation because my investigation is crazy. Dude, that's so funny. So crazy that way. Revamp, like inform us all because I'm kind of like behind on that thing. I saw the headline. I was like, what the hell is nice? That's all there is.

I think. is it? I think what's happening is he came out and said, I'm not going to play back to backs. And that is against the player policy rules that NBA implemented a few years ago when they implemented a 65 game thing. Essentially, they said you can't rest just because you want to. You have to be nursing an injury. So they're investigating, I think we don't have clear reporting. I think they're investigating whether or not they're resting him because they just want to to hope he makes sense of the playoffs, which isn't okay, or they're resting him because he's rehabbing from a specific injury that, you know, calls for a rehab plan that report.

choirs no back-to-backs. They're trying to see which one it is. Obviously the six years are going to just say that it's injury related, that he's nursing his calf, which shouldn't be tested two days in a row. So it's really nothing. I think it's optics for the NBA to make it clear that they're not okay with people coming out and being that honest, as Joel and Bede was. He set the quiet part out loud when you shouldn't have. And yeah, it's weird. It's weird just optics, nothingness, I think. Yeah. But that, they need guys. They need their guys there because Tyree's Maxie was in hell. And Tyrese maxi, he put up some points.

It's the same thing that we saw last year where, yes, he was able to score a lot. The efficiency did not rise. Tyrese maxi was shooting like somewhere in like the low 30s last night. He saw Halloween 10 for 33 or 31. I saw that on Twitter. I was like, oh, wow. If that's good, yeah. And if that's going to be your offense for a minimum of 25 to 30 games out of the

year. It's not looking good. It's not looking good for Philly. And that really, really scares me. Their, their ceilings rested on Tyrese Halliburton, like, I mean, Tyrese maxi turning into like Darren Fos or something, where he can be this lead guy as a score and playmaker. And I love Tyrese maxi as a tertiary guy. But yeah, like, again, he's time to develop. But I just don't think that's his game. Exactly. I agree. Like, when you see, I don't see, I don't think that's his game mainly because, like, I don't think he has enough pace or, you know. the like come not compulsion necessarily but patience really patient patience to like really evaluate an offense and figure out like how what's the best way to set up other guys and like dissect

defenses that's just like I think it's either in you or it's not and in rare it's very rare instances like some players can develop that as time goes on because they are literally the number one but on routine night Tyrese is not the number one he's never been he's ever been set up as that in his in the entirety of his MBA career. It only happens when guys are out. So I think they're going to, they're going to need to re-vamp and rethink the whole Joel and B thing because this can get to a point to where like,

you know, if Paul George is going to miss games like this too, like they can easily be a 500 team, bro. Like Tyrese max, he's not built to lead a team. That's not his game. He's a complimentary piece. Complementary star. And that's why we all put him down on our rankings, right? I had him at five.

I think Donovan had him at six. I don't remember where you had him, but the writing is on the wall that the injury thing is going to be a thing all year and they're not going to be quite the dominant team that we hope

whenever they assembled this big three we just got to wait and see what they can look like in the playoffs because that's all they care about. Yeah, I agree. I agree.

So might come back to bite them in the ass I'm gonna fuck around and face off the Boston social in the first round. Nightmares. Dude, that's so crazy that you can go through a whole season and just see that bus all right away

and nothing matters you did for the past eight months. Yeah, exactly. All right, B. well but i think that's it how are you feeling i'm feeling very crayon eater is right now look that's a lot of crayon listen buddy you won't believe what my Halloween costume is going to be next week you'll be a pretty good treat this crayon came from a in real life crayon eater session i got this from one of y'all it's a jumbo crayon this is insane um

Did I bite it? Did I bite it? Did I bite it? Does it look like you? Oh, you didn't see the piece. Okay, cool. Don't worry about it. Nubbed on it a little bit earlier.

It's time. Crying orders reach always, please. First crown intercession of the goddamn season. Woo! Let's do it. Welcome to TikTok time. Okay, real quick, delayed a TikTok time. As soon as we did the transition and we got ready to go,

a new story just broke. by Chris Haynes. It broke eight minutes ago. I just read it all. So it has been reported unpacked that a member of the Kliper's organization who seems to be a private doctor hired to work a Kauai Lennar for his injury issues, which were obviously apparent when they signed him, is suing the team for wrongful termination because apparently he voiced concern with how the clippers have handled Kauai Lennar's injuries over the last five years and they fired him. Now again, this report broke eight minutes ago. And I read the as fast as I could. I'd probably miss some details. So bear in mind when you're watching this

tomorrow that you guys probably know more than we do. But from what I read, not only did this guy reveal that the Clippers mismanaged all of the injury recovery that Coislanders been through over the last five seasons, but they also tampered like shit the sign him, which is it comes to a surprise to no one. We all knew that it was just never proven and they never suffered for it. But he says that he was hired in as early as 2017 when the original riff happened. with the spurs and kawai leonard when he had that first injury when zaza stepped on his foot you know it was famously reported that he didn't like the way the spurs handled that whole ordeal and requested a second opinion about the injury recovery that led to him leaving the spurs

and eventually requesting the trade right apparently the clippers have been in contact with kawai leonard and the people around him through their assistant gm at the time mike hughes since then so we knew kawai leonard was going there in 2019 koai leonard knew who's going to the clippers in 2017, it seems like. And through that process, as early as 2017, it was promised to Kauai that if he came, they would do what the spurs aren't doing and they would give him his own medical team and ensure him that his health will be handled the way he wants. Again, that was the crux of why he was brought there. They said, we will not be the spurs. Tell us what you fucking need. And they tamper to do it. And oh my God, the stuff that he said in this article,

in 2021 after he tore his ACL, Kauai Leonard, it was expected by Shelton, which is a the guy following his lawsuit and the other medical members are tending to Kwai Leonard that it would take him 730 days to recover which is outrageous for an ACL tear but it's because of his previous issues with his legs right the lawsuit says that the clippers found that simply unacceptable that they demanded productivity in a sooner matter and forced his recovery back and two games they hadn't come back they missed the whole season after but they hadn't come back in November 2022 almost a full calendar year earlier than Kauai Leonard thought he was supposed to come back And after two games of that season,

Kaui Leonard reported having swelling in his knee in inflammation because of the rush recovery. And it was voiced to them that he should miss time and apparently Clippers once again demanded productivity and refused to let him sit out and push for him to continue to fight through it because I guess it was their opinion that because of a normal ACL timeline, he can work through it.

That later resulted in ligament damage in his ankles. To the surprise of nothing I just said, they are alleging that once again when that happened, something that should be season ending for a lot of guys they rush him to continue to come back and you know same story so it seems like they did everything the spurs did and they continuously pushed for him to be productive

because they wanted to win games and I said all that keep in mind weeks ago it's been reported now that Kauai is going to miss an indefinite amount of time because of the inflammation and swelling in his knee I see the timelines adding up here that this guy is suing them

because maybe all those years and mismanagement have once again come up and Kauai Leonard is fed up with having continued knee issues that he probably is putting the blame on the clippers for rushing him back when he had other stuff that could have been handled better. So I'm thinking this whole indefinite out thing might be Kauai once again splitting from a team because he doesn't like the way they're handling his health. Just keep mind again this just broke so this is just my instant reaction maybe news reporting come out like the clippers look better but it looks insane and I'm lots of dots are

being connected. There's so much just when you think. what you think right we literally 10 minutes ago on this podcast we're like hey shout out to the clippers it's very cool what they're doing the new arena is fire the wall's cool we love to see an owner so passionate about his team and you know just reverberate all of that energy throughout the organization we'd love to see it right this is why you're the clippers this is this is this is why because you guys literally can never have anything nice and it's not even it's not even just hey the clippers are just cursed at this point and whether they are cursed by an outside force or by their own wrongdoing something will always go wrong with with the clippers and if all of

this is 100 you know if what they said happened happened and the clippers were like no kawai you can't sit out you can't get healthy you need to play right now everything that has happened throughout this entire endeavor is one of the most mismanaged situations that has ever happened in the end. We've been talking about Kauai Leonard's health being the biggest what if. I feel so bad for him if the reason for that one if is because multiple teams are being greedy and trying to get him out there and mismanaging his health and leading him to have these like hugely degenerative issues that are probably going to affect how he walks for the rest of his life.

Yeah. I really want to sit down and dive deep and through as time as like. more leaks and things come out about this but I wonder what unsafe treatments and like what routes they went to like forcing him to go ahead and do certain things or like inject certain things into his body maybe it's like part of it but I think it's recovery time I don't think it's like drugs like that it might be you never know every time I mean yeah yeah but the lawsuit specified recovery time is the main thing it's a long lawsuit I'm sure so I'm sure there's other things you're right

it might be it might be these like pain injections that we hear a lot about football what they say take that shot and get back out there yeah maybe that's part of it but the wait times makes a lot of sense that kawai lander has seemingly always been cautious there's a lot of reporting of uh no timelines right they don't want to put anything out there because they want to take their time and make sure he doesn't ruin his legs it adds up to me that a team that wants to win so bad is like no get your ass out there you know yeah what the hell are biologics like what's the language biologics I know but what does the sentence say so it's like hold on I just slots to give me a second.

Fuck. This is some, some, you know, some marvelous with Captain America. Yeah. Give me a second.

Okay, but yeah. And listen, before we took this break, we were just talking about how good the vibes are with the clippers and how much we love seeing this

from Steve Bomber and how we love seeing an owner that cares. If this is true, wow, what a terrible timing for me to say that. Maybe he cares a little too much that he's jeopardizing quiet

in his fucking livelihood. Shit getting bad real quick. basically the timing is insane like the ramifications of this could be massive if this is true one the clippers are going to be bent over by adam silver for tampering because that is if that is true and they have the evidence of these calls that happen with their assistant GM and like all these meetups oh that is going to be they're cooked hammers going to be brought down the last time we saw an NBA team get like punished for tampering I remember because it affected my team the Atlanta Hawks the mappy the Milwaukee books are trying to like get involved

Bogdan vignanovich and actually I gave him a contract but the NBA stepped in relinquish all that shit took picks from Milwaukee bucks and also I believe they took picks from the Chicago Bulls it was like second second round picks so it wasn't like a big hoopla but if they're really tampering with like super someone of Kawhi Leonard's magnitude well I don't know what they can actually do because they don't have any picks to fucking get taken away from them unless it's like in the years like I mean they just 34 you can you can just continue to take picks away but That's sad, bro. But, like, but also, like, you've, you've seen stuff.

So, like, when, when the Clippers had their whole thing with Donald Sterling in 2014, and then even whenever the Sons had their stuff with Robert Sarver, the Mavs had their stuff with Mark Cuban, like, you've seen organizations in the NBA. As soon as one of these Domino's falls, everybody else has these internal investigations of, like, are we doing stuff right? And if we are not, then let's either hide it the best that we can. can or get the people up out of there. And so you're going to see every other team around the league go, you know, go, go within and make sure like, hey, are these guys doing, doing well?

And now that, now that the NBA has the 65 game rule, that's, that's going to be one of the most, like, intriguing things, because if you outrely have a team that has been forcing a player to play in 65 games, just for their own personal greed. And now you have a rule that states, If you want to, you know, qualify for these awards, you have to play X amount of games. Imagine how tricky that can get where now you have the, now you have the team's motives, players' motives, and all of it is towards playing games that people should not be playing in. The Clippers have a statement in response. They said, Mr. Shelton's claims were investigated and found to be without merit. We honored Mr. Shelton's employment contract and paid him in full.

This lawsuit is a belated attempt to shake down the Clippers based on accusations that Mr. Shelton should know are false. Damn, so they're saying that boy trying to get a cash grab real quick. They said, you're a liar. I want to put it past. So maybe that proves me the case. Again, we're reacting right away. So keep in mind, nothing is set in stone. We don't know what's true and what's not.

The biggest thing we need to find out in the coming days is, is this link to Kauai Leonard and his thoughts? You know, because like I said, I see the dots being connected between this coming out and Kauai sitting out for an inconclusive amount of time. But maybe, maybe he doesn't feel this way. Maybe Kaui isn't. Because I think if Kauai agrees with this, how does he stay with his team? And we see we've we see no no indication of him wanting to leave so that maybe that's why we shouldn't necessarily believe it. Because I think he probably fucking request the trade if it was true and he just resigned a contract with them. And this will happen in 2022.

So if this was true, maybe he wouldn't want to resign. Well, there's that aspect of it. But then there's also like, hey, they're going to offer me. 50 million yeah let me let me just go let me just go go do that and then if it like if every year I just have to show up to media day right and then like go on about my rehab and I can get 50 55 million dollars yeah I'll do that right I'll sign I'll sign the contract and I'll not do that so again we just have to we just have to see all of this is so fresh it's so new we have to see was actually like legit

and how the story ends up but if it's true come on Clippers this will have a reverber this will have if this is true it'll be one of the biggest stories of the year this would be insane

because the ramifications can be massive in terms of punishment from the league in terms of perception about the team and the organization and the owner in terms of what happens with Kauai's future because one he'd probably be out of there

he probably wouldn't play this season so the whole idea of them being like a 14 C because we think he's never coming back might come to fruition. So who knows that happens of the on-c product and how the pick relates to OKC

who knows it happens what the rest of Hawaii's career where he goes if he can play if his knees are fucked forever like so much fallout if this is true I guess we just got to wait and see. Yeah, that's the only thing that we could do.

Regardless to what happens we all know it just, it's just bad. That's it. Real fucking bad. There's no light in the situation. Unless it's a cash grab Unless the guy's yapping But yeah

It seems Believeable to me So I don't know How well do you want to be cooked You got real serious My first instinct Will not be to side with the billionaire Oh no

You've seen him on the sidelines It does not It would not shock me To learn that Steve Balmer is insane And we're doing Love for the game Yeah

We'll see man We'll talk about this At length on the coming stream Because I'm sure more details will be available to us by Monday or by Tuesday. Actually, no, there might not be a stream this Tuesday because I'm moving, so maybe not on the stream. So next week, next week's episode,

we'll be talking about this a lot more, I think. Can we resume to crayon eater time? We can't bite that crayon. We're back. Okay. Now let's go have some fun. I'm real serious. Crown eaters rejoice.

We do lawsuits. Yeah. Woo. I know we're doing litigation. It's the people versus Lothay. Okay, TikTok time, we're here after that crazy random serious moment. We are once again going to begin with a draft. Let's go. This is going to be a draft.

Perhaps the most fun, intriguing, evenly distributed draft who've ever done. We're going to draft NBA lineups where each of us can only pick players from our favorite teams. Okay. This is very interesting. This is very limiting. There's nothing that we could do really to steal each other's picks. Well, yes, you can Because maybe some players play for both teams

Yeah, some teams play for the Hawks and the Knicks Or the Lakers, like, let's be plenty possible I'm going to get my list up So obviously I'm a Lakers fan Donovan is sadly a Knicks fan And Mo is sadly a Hawks fan So that's going to be the team as cool as we have Same rules as always

It's just all they had to do It has play for that team At some point in their career And you get the best version of them All right, let's roll away Let's go So Donovan, where are we going with the first pick? My first pick

for the New York Knicks at Power Forward. Give me Carmelo Anthony. How to go with the favorite pick first? Okay. If you weren't going first, I would say stolen him from you because he was in Atlanta Hawk for precisely like 15 to 12 minutes. Never played a game. Never played a game. He was in Atlanta Hawk, though.

He never played a game. Nah, never played a game. Doesn't count. But he was a hawk. The Jersey exists. It exists. So. Am I three, go ahead and give me Dominique Wilkins. Great talk of all time. Okay.

That's fair. Cute. Am I three? Give me LeBron James. Yon. And this is why I didn't want to do this draft in the first place because there's clearly an advantage here. And then in my point guard, is there really?

Yeah, I don't really think so. Oh, you said, Lonzo? All right, cool. Keep LeBron. Lanzo ball. Let's go. Peak Lanzo ball is hilarious. Keep LaFourne's six.

Keep Lanzo ball over there in this podcast. I don't really have no. I'm not scared over here. I'm not scared over here, right? Wilkins has nothing for Pek Lanzo. Wait, quick clarification. Are we picking our favorite players from our favorite team? Sure.

It's whatever you want. You're drafting the best teams you can. Do you want to win the draft or not? What is the draft is dependent on what you think winning is. so you're drafting you're essentially you're drafting their all time team that's true yeah all right cool you're drafting the best player at the team thank you mo thank you mo okay anyways uh am i two guard give me tmac prime tmac alongside prime dominique wilkins highlights for days you suck is that what you wanted yeah that was my next pick

highlights for days we have the first stolen pick of the draft okay it is okay all right at my point Guard, give me Jalen Brunson. Oh, for Walt Frazier? Listen, I'm just picking my favorite players right now. At point guard, give me Jalen Brunson, and at my center, I would like Patrick Ewing. Okay, fair enough. Mello and Ewing, probably the best, potentially the most two talented players the teams ever had?

Come on, now. Let's talk about it. Okay, cool. Give me NBA champion. Actually, let me backtrack. Let me back, check, let me back, chat, let me backtrack. Oh, yeah, I can backtrack. Okay, cool.

I had to double check to see if he played on the scene because he was a journeyman for two seconds. Give me Trey Young naturally alongside T-Mack and Wilkins. Highlights four days. Talk about the back. I'm surprised you didn't pick Trey Young as your first pick with how much you love him. I figured he's the first thing that pops in your brain. I mean, naturally he was, but I had to be like, okay, wait, what player might get snatched up in was T-Mack?

Hmm. I just think that, obviously, I got. got to pick the best players available. Give me Kyle Kuzm with the power forward and give me a contavius call while Pope with the shooting guard. Okay. I'm assembling a dream team here.

This team can never lose a game. And KCP. Well, if this team was actually, well, if Lonzo was actually with Casey, but never with like, wait,

no, this is. What lineup are you building right now? If you put this team together, they would never lose a game. Well, who are you picking next? I saw this lineup back in 2018, brother. You're not slick. Mojo, who's your next pick?

Because Mojo, he's serious. For my next pick, go ahead and give me, I can go one or two ways here, but give me the late and great DeCambi Matumbo, man. My team has an identity. I got a big man down there, swaned everything and no one's a man. Yeah, he is. He is saving Trey Young's life defensively.

Exactly. I need that wingspan. Okay. It just takes one player for you to bounce back up through the horrendous picks that you have, Isaac. It doesn't matter. You've been fucking around the whole entire draft. I don't know what you're fucking talking about.

Watch your mouth. Respect KCP. At my two guard, give me Walt Frazier. Oh, that's the division. Okay. Oh, my God. Both of them. Put him at the two.

And at my three, I would like Penny Hardaway. That feels like a sell. But okay, you can have it. You can have your three point guard lineup. Penny Hardaway, okay. Three point guards. He's six nine in a bucket. You're three point guards

Six nine in a bucket You play the three I don't care what they said You're a small forward Like I think it's closer to six seven But we'll let you have it No he's six nine

Mohoop okay So my so far I got T-Mack Wilkins Is a whole lot of buckets And I got my tumble It is low usage guy John Collins John Collins John Collins

John Collins Trens Don't say it Zach Rishet Nah you know what Paul Milsette Pommisette Give me someone else.

Honestly, I was going to go one way. I was going to go ahead and I should pick Vince Carter, but take him and throw him out the window. Give me Jay Smooth. Give me Josh Smith, the original highlight reel. 6-9, real fucking freight train, slamming shit on your head. Kyle Smoothma, you ain't doing nothing to me, bro. Jay Smooth, come on.

The passion. Jay Smooth. The only way I can match that is with an interior force that's going to send that shit into the stands. Give me Javelle McGee. Oh, hell no. Oh, hell no. There's so many clips on the internet

with Jason Moved putting his nuts on Javele McGee's chest. Look it up. I simply cannot see. So, for audio listeners, my all-time Lakers team, I got Lonzo Ball, Contavius Colwell Pope,

LeBron James, Kyle Kuzma, and Javele McGee. Sounds seem like an instant championship. I wish you could have saw it in real life. Get a load of this guy. Get a load of this guy. He thinks he's funny.

Okay, so I got T. Young. I have a wash T-Mack, but who was so fun, the bag was still there. Dominique Wilkins, not prime Dominique Wilkins, the one who be commenting, be commentating because, you know, you need great people in your life. J. Smooth, I don't know what he's up to these days. He's probably coaching some little league team, but I'm sure he got like four points and three-year-bounds in him to this day. And I got the heart and soul and Batumbo.

Just tease is fire. At my point guard, I have Jalen Brunson. and my shooting guard have Walt Frazier and my small forward Penny Hardaway understand we do have playmaking we do have scoring we do have defense all in our first three positions at four more buckets Carmelo Anthony at five more buckets and defense Patrick viewing well welcome to the team food I don't know so too small yeah for who post him up he's the best he's the best post a guard here over Walt Frazier

over T-Mack over LeBron James well now the man is not a guard he's one through five he's everything okay let's bring him on

it's a good draft competitive draft next thing we're going to do I'm going to show you guys some NBA teams you know like we always do you guys are to guess which NBA team I'm showing you

and this time you guys have to guess it based on emojis one emoji per player Kind of like the one we deal One time with memes But this time with emojis You gotta tell me who you're looking at Okay

Emos Are the memes It's hilarious See how much ball You guys know First team Who is this team What the

Okay Oh man I think I know what this is Immediately Because There's bread on that There's bread on that I see

The boy give it away Is bread in the lockdown I see Coolness That's the most Or emoji out there bro It looks like the son. And you see an old man? No, I wouldn't lean towards the sun. I would say this is probably

the Minnesota Timberwolves. No, no, again, that specific emoji looks like the sun. But yes, I agree with you. This, this should be the Minnesota Timberwolves. You see that baguette from a mile away? This is a Minnesota Timberwolves. French are easy to spot. There's nothing to describe Julius Randall. There's nothing to describe Julius Randall or Julius Randall other than just basketball. facts that noises is so Julius

okay that's an easy one right away which team is this who's biting their lips who got a bag okay biting the lips could just mean that this player's light skin what else could I mean

yeah okay okay so we do okay so we have a light skin We have a light skin on the wing We have somebody with a bag And then someone who's just a pocket full of sunshine Yeah She's a smiling

Someone who just never have a bad day Someone who's like She's good vibes The spotlight out of the room Was dancers? Yeah That could mean a lot of things This

I'm just focus on the other four I don't know what that's supposed to mean Okay But there's a light skin And somebody who's always hurt I'm throwing a shot in the dark somebody who's really happy. Always hurt at the center position.

Could this be Joe Allen beat in the Philadelphia's 76ers? You know that pocket full of sunshine is Tyrese motherfucker Maxie. This is the Philadelphia 76ers. What's that movie? He's that twins and dancers. Those are twins. Oh, Caleb Martin.

And then that's Kelly Ubrey biting his lips. Okay. Who's the bag? I said James Harder plays the four now? That's great. The pocketful of sunshine is hilarious That emoji is so Tyrese maxi Smile for no reason, bro

He's just always happy I've never seen him frown It's the most positive guy in the world Bro, stay frolicking You saw the picking flowers at all time You can never have a lot of time I love him All right next team

Who is this? Wait, what food is that wings Those are wings Oh shit, okay wings wings wings somebody who's quiet someone's real quiet someone who's quiet those wings are good too

Donovan what type of wings those look like Buffalo? That looks like yeah I think that's Buffalo one of the best flavors okay cool Terriaki okay consistent it seems stable

seems stable this is very telling it the flag is hilarious too this might be the Atlanta Hawks because they got wings on wings on wings and they got someone who's been very subtle and quiet, and then also there's a Swiss guy on the team. This is the Atlanta Hawks.

Mo, you're three for three. Thank God you got this one. It's when he shush in New York. The shush. Boom. Mo brings the boom. You're doing TikTok. They give me a hat top.

Yeah, man. You got Trey Young, a bunch of wings and a random Swiss guy down low. This is the Atlanta Hawks. It would be so aggressive. Dude, I can't stop watching that S&L parody of the Costco guys. You guys? You guys seen that?

No, I haven't yet. The girl dressed up as Big Justice. He kills me. I tried. All right, next team. Who is this team? What the? Hey, yo.

Hey, yo. Someone who's water. What's so? A yo. What are we doing at the center position? They're drippy. Maybe they're drippy. Maybe they're drippy.

With some freaks, man. For show. Freaky deaky. I love the okay. There's no thoughts on displayer. Okay. He's fine. Thumbs up.

He's just a guy. He's just a dude. I really don't wonder who that is. I don't know what to do. He's just a regular. He's just a regular. like 75, 76 overall and 2K probably, just a dude.

He's exactly a 70. He's just a dude. Okay, I don't know who is just okay and I don't know why you have the pickup truck emoji, but I know the other three. And so I'm assuming that it's Damian Lillard as the watch,

Chris Middleton as the hospital, and Brooke Lopez at Splash Mountain. Correct. And Janus is big asses of a fucking pickup truck. This is the rocket. Yeah, yeah, I like that. Shout to Gary Trent Jr., man. Being okay is okay.

We need a lot of okay guys in league. Every team needs it. You are enough. You are seeing. You are heard. They are valuable. Oh my God, I can't breathe. You are a strong and capable man.

Okay, I can't breathe. Okay. Okay. Dude. Bring it in. Who is this team? All right. It's a lot of money over here.

What's that? Money? Do you know your flags, Mo? I know. If you know that flag, you're in your bag. Oh, shit. Is that Bosnia or something like that? I don't know.

Alright, let's see. Let's see. I'm not even going to worry about the flag. We have a, we have a point guard who's buttoned up. Don't Google the flag though. Put you fucking. No, no, I'm not. I'm not going to flag. I'm not going to flag. Let's see. We have a point guard who's like buttoned up. This seems very like adulty, you know. So that's like the grown up. Yeah, that's like the grown up in the room. Uh, two guards. Two guard. All they care about is money, obviously. who fuck is that suit and tie dude that's so throwing me off what does this emoji mean though like what is what is the stack of money flying away mean i don't i don't understand that maybe he's just like this guy's just paid who was the light bulb i don't i don't know i have two i've one guess and the only thing that i can think of is that only thing i can think of is that that that's malcolm browndon the most like professional professional in the league and Jordan pool. Incorrect. I think this is the Phoenix

Suns because the flag. This is a Phoenix Suns. Yeah, I said it. It is Bosnia. Why do I know that? I do not know. The light bulb Devin Booker, very light. Shooting guard, Bradley Bill gets fucking bands. Yeah. Power forward, easy money sniper.

It's money stack. Okay, that's true. And the point guard, it's a tie for Ty is Jones. Ah, he's also very professional. It comes in a team. But it's a nasty joke, but These are reaches. Tyos Jones. Tomato, tomatoes.

Who is this team? Milk. Okay, that's a white man probably. I mean, I don't know. The way the league goes. That could be anybody. That might be the opposite. It could be anybody.

That is true. That is true. Okay. A tiger. A tiger. That couldn't mean LSU or just Tiger? No, there's not that many LSU player. Unless, yeah, it's not LSU.

No LSU centers starting. All right, all right. Once again, we just have a pocket full of sunshine at the three. Somebody who's just happy all the time. Stay grinning. Okay. What is somebody who's the complete opposite? Yeah.

At the four, it's just like, no. It's not a fun time to be around. Okay. Not amused. You might get this. Yeah, this is tough because I have no leads on this one necessarily. The brightest lead that I have is like pocketful of sunshine also and then like milk. Maybe.

Okay, the only thing that I can think of, I know Scotty Barnes be smiling. But he plays the four though. Oh, yeah. It's not. Yeah, I'm in the blender here. I'm in the Blondie. You guys, time's up, you guys lost. This is the New York Knicks.

The tiger, that's a cat. The smiler. McHill Bridges is always grinning. O.G.N. O.G.N.O.B. shows no emotion. Short. Jalen Brunson, short. Okay. Go ahead and type in Josh Hart Milk into Google and see what pops up. Oh, wow. You're a disgusting guy for that.

You are disgusting. You're going to need a different emoji for that to actually convey what you want to say. I couldn't exactly show that in the TikTok. the type of milk could not be specified then you set us up for failure oh i think there is a nursing emoji there's a baby milk or there's like yeah there should be like a bottle or something also short oh i said it in the bottle yeah that's nah that brensen emoji is not it okay okay next one dang who is this team that's crazy i've i've never seen that combination of emoji i didn't know you could do that

I thought you had to be light to have like the blonde. Don't focus on the darkness. Listen, I always focus on the blonde. Shit. Yes. Okay, but they are black with blonde hair.

Oh, this gives us a way immediately. You got someone who's an absolute bucket. Barnhouse. Barnhouse. Barnhouse. You got a... He said Barnhouse three times.

Yes. It's clear by the way. Barnhouse. This is Harrison Barnes, Victor Wembeñama, Jeremy Sohan, Devin Vassell, and CP3. This is the San Antonio Spurs. We got the Times. Bornhouse. By the way, in case you didn't notice, Barthouse.

Bro, I haven't said Barnhouse today, but this is a fun word to say. No, it's not. Barn, barn, barn, barn, barn, barn. If we're still here, comment, Barnhouse, in all caps. And that's the last one. No, that's one. You're not one. The next thing we're going to do,

I'm going to name two NBA players. And I want you guys to tell me which one you'd rather have on your team today if you had to win one single game. So a general vibe check on who's a better player today, no projecting, know what they used to be, just one-on-one games on the line who you want. Faye did the universe on the line? Martians have the depth being pointed

at Earth? Yeah, exactly. Got you. I'm locked in. There you go. First team. First matchup. Jason Tatum or Anthony Edwards. As of now, give me Tatum. Yeah, it's got to be Tatum. He's been through more situations.

People want to get ahead themselves and push Anthony Edwards into these top five combos and stuff like that. I need to see the passing really improved first. Jason Tatum deserves that respect. Jason Tatum been there, done that, been in so many situations where he's the first, second, third option, won an NBA champion. He knows how to ride the bench, clap up if needed. Can Anthony ever do that?

He always wants to be the guy, bro. Give me Tatum. He's not harming anything, bro. If Tatum's a good point. If Tatum can shoot the way that he did on Tuesday night, he might be the best option. Yeah. I agree. Steph Curry or a healthy Kauai Leonard.

I'm taking Steph Curry every single waking minute. Every time. I'm never taking him over Kauai. Kauai's going through lawsuits right now. Have you heard? A healthy Kauai, though. We know what he can do when he's on the court. Yeah, but I haven't seen that in a while, so I kind of forgot.

So, Steph Curry, you got it. I kind of forgot. It might be an oxymor at this point. We might never see that again. Yeah. I'll take stuff here. You make stuff. Yeah.

Easy to forget who Steph is because he's playing with the most nonsensical lineups. But if we gave him a competent team with some real creators around him, he's still stuff. Free step to him backwards. Palo Baner. caro or jimmy butler palo ban caro yeah paula has more juice paula has more pop paul's gonna play i'm gonna have fun watching paula play with jimmy butler not gonna have that much fun man i'm gonna just get some very very intricate coffee that's all i'm getting with jimmy butler you're getting cool vlogs on youtube too oh yeah and over the gimmick and a very very good dominoes player if this if this was

a domino's tournament i'd take jimmy bowler basketball i'm taking palo right now facts ball. You said Jimmy Butler's superstar subscription is expired. Yep. It's over. Damn. 2020 Jimmy is not walking through those doors. That man is living with the poppies out there in Miami. He's out there in Domino Park with this little hat. That's all he care about. Okay. Devon Booker or Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant. Really? No, no, you don't got to think about it. It's Kevin Durant. He's wrong. You got to think about it. It's Kevin Durant. Yeah, thought about it, thought about it, thought about it,

Kevin Durant's exactly. I don't know, I mean, one game, we know what Devin Booker can do when he gets hot. We've seen him score 70 points in two games against the Nuggets and back to back. I know what Kevin Durant can do when he gets hot. It's Kevin Durant. It's not as easy for sure. I knew Kevin Durant could do when he gets hot. It was actually two, three years ago.

Kevin Durant's not getting any younger. Kevin Durant last night was who been in the clutch. I'm taking Kim and Durant. That is true. You know 25 points. I think I might take him Kevin. He was taking one, one-legged stepbacks over two people. It's Kevin Durant.

He can do stuff like that. There's like three people in a history that could do that. For so, but we're talking about if you want to win a singular game. Kevin Durant. Yeah, Devon Booker doesn't have the greatest elimination game stats at all. I'm saying Katie. Oh, that's a good point. That's a good point.

Elimination game, Devin Booker has not been exciting. Yeah, exactly. That's what takes the cake. Turn down the lights Turn down the lights Ah, Luca Cam Thomas Or Cade Cunningham

Cam Thomas What? Why? What's the game? What's the game? Is it five and five? Basketball? It's to win.

To win? No, this is NBA regulation game. Okay, never mind. You want to win. What if I said is 21? Cam Thomas in a heartbeat. Camp Thomas is like top three if we're playing 21 four on four three 21 to two a game though you got a king of the court three dribbles

making two dribbles cam thomas cam yeah sorry k no shit don't you can just like that joel and bead or jalen brunson i'm never trusting joel and bie with my life give me jalen brunson no who said your life's on the line i just died to lose this game i asked you it's basketball i asked you pay to the universe on the line martians have the the death beam pointed at earth, I'm not trusting Joel and Bid in that situation. In any situation? In no situation. No situations regarding death beams, will Juel and B be chosen?

No. Wow. Okay, what if we remove the death beam and it's just NBA? Well, the Martians are still going to invade, so I'm not taking him. Excellent reasoning. Give me Juel and Bede if he's healthy. Yeah, give me Joel. Not thinking twice.

Shout out Jalen Brunson, give me Joel Mb. Have fun living in the Matrix. Shay Gilgis Alexander or Janus Oh never mind I said I didn't even say Yonis Yeah I saw like this soon

You fucking laser There's only two or three players That I would not take over Shea and you said one of them I assume too soon Janus obviously You Chris your cream donut I'll take Yannis

I'll take Yannis I don't know One game though I mean Yeah one game You know how mad Yonis is gonna be Just how I'm yeah You have one game

You can play 40 minutes for me in this jersey and that's all you get you can give me all you can that's a good point that's a good point i can play yonis 48 minutes and he'll survive you don't got to worry about game two him being gassed yeah 48 minutes of yonis it's crazy yeah exactly she's gonna have some type of regissions also but it's just it's different intensity i need yonis bro okay lebron james or anthony davis lebron james i might lean lebron james simply because he's a gar or a wing and he can control more of the game naturally over someone like anthony Davis.

40 years old? Yeah. It's not a conversation? No. It's a conversation. It's a short one, but it's a conversation. Listen, if game one was in the indication, the keys have been handed over. It's one player, not a player and a coach.

If JJ Redick, if I can have JJ Reddick's mind inserted into Anthony Davis's mind, go ahead and give it to me. If you get it to me. If you get your head in this corner, then I got it. Okay, yes, JJ Reddick is your coach either way. Who do you pick? I'm taking LeBron still. give me anthony davis it's time it's time the keys have been handed over there's a new leader of the team give me a d relax uh you are a confused man has this finally happened

i'm kidding lebron always starts a low he never goes crazy in an opening game yeah okay that's the end of that next thing we're gonna do we do a tier list okay perhaps the most serious cheerlists we've done in a while we're going to do a cheer list of every NBA player that has a new haircut this year yeah so you guys know hoagos you're going to rate them S through F just based on I don't know how good the haircut is how much it fits them how much bed they looked in it did before whatever you want first off we got media day Scotty Barnes when you get rocking the Ben Wallace fro see I like this this fit Scotty this fit Scottie this fit Scottie you see that smile Scotty is a very you know just just a happy person and the fro

just shows freedom with Scotty Barton. I like that. I'm putting that in... Someone who's not afraid to be himself unapologetically. Exactly. I'm putting that in what? I'm putting that in A tier. But he cut this right after. He didn't keep it for the season. It was only for me to day. How does that impact it? I don't care. I'm only looking at this picture.

I'm putting it in it. Ah, he didn't stay down though. It's got to be B. He didn't keep it. All right. Yeah. He's not real with it. He's not real with it. Give me B. Got to be B. Okay. That one's easy. Let's go with... Zalin Williamson's new beard

Oh man I don't know how I feel about this Me neither because the first time I saw it I was like what the hell looks like it's Velcroed on Yeah, then I see other angles and I'm like oh it kind of fits them I don't know Yeah, he looks like it's very hard it's very hard to find the right picture Yeah I don't know and it would never fit right to me man like

He doesn't look like he plays basketball he doesn't look like a basketball But it's I don't know it's very hard like he looks like Mark Henry right now Do you know who that is? Yes, I do. Yes, I do. But it's very hard to have a beard and not, and like lose oral points though. This is caloric deficit Mark Henry, if I've seen him before. Caloric deficit.

Keto Mark Henry. I think this is also another B. You got to be the right angle. Sometimes it looks a little weird. Sometimes it fits. It's inconsistent. I don't know. If you have to think so much about it, it's not a good haircut.

I think got to be in C. alright you know what you convince me we'll go see yeah maybe that's it maybe the beard is just like poorly aligned yeah sly huncho save one okay tell him what do we where do we go with trey man rocking the Alan Iverson look down to the hair I felt the oral right before you even clicked this picture

put this in S tier he committed to the look all the way from the apparel to the aesthetics of the hair to the headband s dear put me at a charlotte hornets game i might throw my boxes on a god damn court oh my god that's insane that might be the most ridiculous

you've ever said into this mic no i said worse you remember i don't know yeah i've just cut it all okay that's absolutely insanity we'll go with s tier though where do you go with tally hero in the buzz cut He's transformed from one type of whiteboard into the other.

This lets me know, though, that he is locked in. And I actually don't hate it, though. No nonsense. No nonsense. He's the father. He's the father. Yeah. I'm putting this in Ateer.

He's a father looking for a new contract soon. Put an A tier, sure. It fits in. It's like when Kai restarted the season really terribly, then cut the afro off in Boston, came back and was killing it. So he's trying to conjure that. That's what happens. You cut your hair, everybody knows.

Okay, I'm first about this season. They came out and they lost by 30. It didn't work out too well, but we'll go Asia for the aesthetics. That's true. I don't know. He didn't get the plus, though. That's true. I see the vision, but the plan has not been executed to fruition.

Maybe it works by demographic. I don't know. White boy laws are a little different around it. We're not familiar. Genetics. Next up. We got DeAngelo Russell with the blonde look. This man looks like Tisa Korean.

Dude, this stands out crazy on the court. It's bright. I saw somebody call him Amber Bros. Honestly, I respect it a lot. It's not terrible, though. I like the look on top with the blonde. The sides being blonde is a bit much. But you know what?

You have to commit. If you're going to go blonde, if you're going to go blonde, let's go blonde and he still has it faded into his beard that's that's that's good cut that's work that's a that's a good haircut he's paying $200 for that cut I know it put that in a tip of another 200 put that in a tier okay you're gonna look me in the eyes in time this is an eight year haircut that it's an eight year look for d'am's the blonde fades into the black beard that skill detail he's got an eight year barber I don't know if it was an eight year choice listen barbers are pillars of the community and they do one

and based off of his work I'm willing to pass that down to Daniel Russell. A good barber is a therapist. I don't know. Barber is penmanship. Teachers, lawyers, firemen, barbers. Like, that's the that's the team. That's the tier.

That's a good public servant. Where are you going to end up, Mo? I'm so conflicted about this. Like it looks, thought of it as cool. I don't know if it was like hit. A or S I might put it Damn you what the fuck

y'all love this haircut Yeah it's cool I'm gonna put it in a It's hard All right It's hard to compensate I don't know if he accomplished it Ah you're hating

Who Everybody's hating It looks crazy I mean it's not terrible It's not great He's just misunderstood Yeah Facts

Cade Cunningham With the braids He's starting to look like Jay Cole He has shades Jay Cole him you're right this is just the only thing about them looks the same as the light skin that's it yeah i nah uh no i'm not even the same type of braids this is jico doesn't have

that haircut this is the way that the hair falls and i'm not gonna get too i'm not i'm not going to disrespect that but i see it in j cole right here this is a good look listen you want to make that star leap you got to have the aesthetics to match to mark a new era to mark the second coming of your career proving everybody wrong. This is a good look to match it. Okay. What, Esther?

I don't know if it could be S. What? S. Okay. I'm a J-Col phone. I'm putting this in S. Tobias. Tobias is right there.

That's 2013, Jermaine. This is 2024. Actually, this is more like 20-19. No, the fuck it is not. Yes, it is. Wow. 20-24, Jerm. You're going to give me to say,

he has the same little like underbite type of thing where he's like, you know what I'm saying? Oh, wow. You're getting... I wasn't... I told you, I wasn't trying to say it. You pushed me.

No one told you to say it. Put it in the mess. Mo? If you had listened to me, I would have said it. Mo, where are we going? Where are we going? I think I would go ahead and put this in B. It's all it.

Split the difference. We're going to A once again. Cool. I like that. Where are we going with Kai Jones and his bald head? Now, he was bald by... Choice. Mm-hmm.

Know what that is? That's a Joe Mazula special. Locked-in syndrome. That means he is about business. He's done with the nonsense. He wants to earn his contract. I like it. Let's put it in S if he's locked in.

He looks like he should be like an all-American. We're playing on a college team in 2002. Then you said S? Yeah, he's locked in. Going balled by choice in the big year of 2024? now he kind of looks at Michael Jordan like it's like the same head shape like okay it looks vintage it looks like Michael George

you can't get on me for saying that Jake and he looks like Jake on that and then say that he looks like Michael Jordan yeah that's not like that ball look he looks like he's from the 90s like it looks every vintage black man is not Michael Jordan Isaac MJ I we're not going to do this

after what you just said about Kane Cunningham we are not open this Pandora's box y'all are the worst nobody's ever looked less like Jay Cole than Kate Cunningham he's the least I said it's just the way that the hair falls. That's my... Now, if I said that braids and dreds were the same,

what would you be saying to me? I said every black man and every black hair size not the same, Isaac. Exactly. This is what T.D.3 is about. If I completed the two, I'd look crazy. Where we were going, Kyle Jones. Privileges. I don't know. I can say some stuff.

You can say some stuff. it is what it is it all bounces at the end of the day now put this in see Tyler what Tyler hero cut his hair because he was locked in

we I don't know Kai Jones was as locked in whenever he cut his hair so I'm I'm going like see wow

that's so distraging we're engaging the locked in level you know how locked in you have to beat it go monk mode and just like cut everything off you don't have to

you're got to be super locked I'm not going to lie. Yeah, you are. You got to be about it. You got that mental fortitude. You could be having a bad night and then just go ball and be like, nah, I just got to switch something up. This man was on like three. He was locked in that night.

Exactly. Shut up. He was on three teams in two months and you're saying he's locked in. No. We're going to S tier. Shout out, Kyle Jones. That's what I'm talking about, bro. Inspiring that motherfucker fucking scalp.

Shit, man. You inspire me right now, Kai. Go bald. yeah get locked in all right I know you want to hit a million subscribers get locked in all right

all right all right all right all right all right all right next up we got

John the Camingo with the dyed hair you know he's he looks like he's trying to be Dennis Robben

for Halloween and I'm not really rocking with it Jeremy Sohan's influence is already starting shout out you want to talk

about a trendsetter it can't be a or s to me he said you can be yourself it's okay good luck but it ain't aura it ain't inspiration i don't know first last year he cut his hair down everybody was like whoa what did he do and then he doubled down and made it blonde he's just like i don't care what you people think i respect it there's no edge of you though there's not an edge of that is correct i didn't want to be the one to say it yeah let's put that and C. Yeah, okay. There we go. I was feeling more C. Or does it belong to me? But Zion has an edge up, which was beard.

But it's not a good one, though. It is too low. It is a bad edge up. That's why the beard doesn't look quite right. All right. We'll go seat here for John DeComingue. About to get a neck beard for Zion. It's crazy. Speaking of beards, we got Trey Young growing the beard over the off season. Shout out to you. When I first saw this, I thought he looked kind of wild. I was just hating. It looks good. I like the beard.

He looks a lot older. Yes. Bro, it's year seven for Tray Young, which is insane to think about. I can't wait to see this once he shades his head when he's old. If he has a low cut with the beard, that's going to be a crazy look for Trayette. That already exists.

That's Derek White right now. It's Derek White right now. Now, Tray Young is a hat guy. The hair and beard. Snap back for life. Don't you let that Yankee fit Leave your head, man Oh man

I want to put this in B Good luck Good luck Oh, I said good luck Good luck Okay I'm gonna beat here I wish there was more

Not a lot of people Got a new haircut this year A lot of it was real marginal Like MPJ got braids It doesn't like that different Like these are the most drastic look changes I could find Yeah

Look at that Mostly B plus Yeah Yeah nothing terrible Look at that We got a strong lookbook This year I think people would disagree

About our placement of DLO And maybe put him in D or F But Isn't their fucking list Now is it It's not It's not And guess what

And if they did that It wouldn't be perfect Hmm Okay Next thing we're gonna do I am gonna We're gonna do We're gonna do the category

Game I've done a much times before Where I have five categories of players, you guys have to try to name player from each category without saying the same name I do. Okay. You guys have been on a role of being horrible

at this game. Let's lock one. You started off strong, but as it late. You have it was like two options with your category. Welcome to life. Sometimes things are hard. Yet you persevere.

Man the fuck up. And that's why we're doing this again. I already lock in. Lock in. Okay. So first category. A 2024 NBA draft pick.

A rookie. A draft pick. Okay, from this year. Okay, cool. All right. Three, two, one. Tyler Cole. Ron Holland.

Tyler Colick is crazy. I got Bronny James. You're safe for round one. Phase up. Second round. A number two overall draft pick. In any point, it would be a history. You done this one before.

Let's run it back. I got it wrong last time. I won't get it wrong again. Three, two, one. Samboi. Oh, Katie. Katie. You knew up at Katie last time, so I wasn't going to do it this time.

I got DeAngelo Russell. Boom. Outsmarted you. Safe for round two. Okay. There you did last time. So thank God you, I smarted me a little bit more. Woo.

Round three. A shooting guard. Just a shooting guard in NBA history? The current, I can you rephrase that. Okay, cool. A current starting shooting guard. Okay. Okay.

Three, two, one. Dyson Daniels. We got Austin Reeves, you guys have gone through around three. Okay, smart by picking Austin Reeves by one of the more popular teams. I like this is. Yeah. Yeah. Mm.

And number four, we have somebody who's led the league in blocks at one point in their career. Okay Elite shot blocker Okay Best of the best Okay Three two One

Do I have Sergei Baca Who We got Anthony Davis Thank the Lord Okay We'll be throw Round five

You made it to the end Round five Someone in the NBA For the first time You might An active NBA player With at least 12 All-Star games

Oh shit hold on that's that's hard 12 all-star games very specific at least 12 all-star games current player okay shit okay you better make sure they at 12 don't pick somebody with less because less people than you would think can i can i look up can i look up what they have to three just to make sure three two oh my gosh chris paul lebron james ah is lebron james mo lost again you suck at this game does chris paul literally have 12 let's find out i don't know because it's so you literally lost Chris Paul's stats

Let's look at the Bassel reference page We scroll down He has 12 all star games Wow Okay Look at that Victory for Donovan I wonder how many active movie players right now

You thought you could throw a challenge flag And get me But I'm certified I think it's I knew it was Kevin Durant and LeBron Chris Paul is the third one But like James Harden doesn't have that many Steph doesn't have that many

I want to say Steph for like Westbrook But they missed years And also Steph got West got like clipped. Does Westbrook? No, he does not. He does not have no way. Probably he's like eight or nine.

He's nine. Yeah, exactly. He's nine. Yeah. His all start temperature ended a little bit too early. It did too early. Donovan is victorious. Very short list.

Mo. I thought it was clear. I picked all Lakers. I don't know why you'd pick LeBron James. Oh, man. I didn't have any names off top of my head and you wanted to surrattle him off. Only so many, there's only three options, bro. Yep.

They picked the wrong one. What do we got left? Oh, last thing we're going to do, a fun one. So you guys know, game one of the season came. The Boston Celtics, Maliwopped, Donovan's New York Knicks. And I got to thinking, holy fuck, this team could be multiple teams that they combine the rosters. Their team is that deep. Having two elite guards, two elite wings and two elite bigs, like that you can't exploit them anywhere.

So we're going to do a little TikTok game where I'm going to name two NBA teams. You guys got to decide that if we combine the rosters, would they be able to beat the Boston Celtics? That's hilarious. And we're going to be surprised with how many teams are not going to be able to beat the Boston Celtics. Shit. We got three teams together.

They might not be able to do that shit. You're right. I didn't just pick the worst teams in the league. Yeah. So there hopefully should be able to be some rosters that could contend if you combine competent teams. But I don't know because the Celtics are that cracked. Yeah.

So first team, our first duo of teams. The Atlanta Hawks and the San Antonio Spurs. Oh, this is good. This is good. You got Trey and Wembe. They might be able to. I don't know. Trey and Wemby outside.

Yeah. You put Jalen Johnson at the four. That's nice. What do you do two and three? You could do either Devin Vassell or Dyson Daniels or maybe Bogged on. Because of Wembe's there, you can sacrifice a little bit of defense. But I don't know what the Celtics. You really can't sacrifice.

No, I want Dyson then because I want Dyson and Wembe to be able to guard a pick and roll. Yeah. Okay. So Trey Dyson. So who's going to be the three? Not Harrison Barnes. Not Harrison Barnes. We're not putting the work of here.

He's not going to be in these conversations at all either. Let's put Vassel to three. We slide in the cell three and Jalen and Johnson the four. And that team still loses to the Boston Celtics, I think. So you got Trey Dyson, Vassel. Dyson is so painful. Jalen and then Victor Mianamaama. They lose in like five, probably six games, six games.

Trey Young and Victor Raminjama, there's no answer. I might go seven. I like that team. I like that team too. But they're still losing. I don't know. It's tough. Celtics and six.

Maybe Victor Roman Yama like three years from now when he's like unfuck with the ball. But right now, Celtics and six. But year two unb, not yet. We haven't even seen him play. You don't know what year two Wembe looks like. We'll find out about three hours. Okay.

Pistons and 76ers. All right. So we take in Kaye Are we taking the idea of Cade Cunningham? Yes, we're taking Let's assume he makes a year three leap Let's assume Cate makes a leap this year

He put him next to Tyreys Maxie So you got Cid, Tyrese maxi Paul George Who Who's the four? Yeah, that was a big oof for everyone Tobias Harris and Jordan beat again God

Damn, I'm tired of this movie. I'm tired of this movie, man. Celtics and Nassauville. five, Celtics and four, probably. Yeah, they're whooping that to you, so. Yeah. I forgot about to buy his hair, that belt to ass. That's hilarious.

Okay. Man. Oh, and two so far. That would be disrespectful. The Houston Rockets and the Toronto Raptors. Oh, dang. I don't even care. They lost.

I don't know. I don't want to do the thought. Wait, Alfred Zimbun and it's got to you Barnes is fun. Then how you want to put. All right. It's just such a mile. They lost. You just said,

Oh, man. That's how you know they trash. Come on now. Bulls and Knicks. Nope. It's over. The Knicks are already close. What's center?

From the Bulls. Can you, you want Nikola Vutovitch there? I didn't say that. No, no. Let me take Lonzo ball. It takes a like Zach Levine. I don't know.

It's still over. You get. Jalen Brown, you keep in the Bulls, I mean, the Knicks top four. You might keep the whole roster. Exactly. Yeah. That's what I'm saying.

Like, this is still. But then Lonzo, but then Lonzo and Levine off the bench? I'm not going to start five only. We're beating them. Then Dix are not beating the Boston Celtics. It will happen. Would you replace Zach Levine over Josh Hart? Maybe for spacing reasons.

Yeah, but that defense is fried. They're picking on one through one, two, and five are getting picked on. Yeah, that's all I'm like, just keep the same roster. God, we can't beat the Celtics. Keep the Bulls over there. Okay, last one, last one, our best hope. the Lakers and the Warriors Yes, they win

If you have Steph I don't care who's at the two I don't care who's at the two or the four If you have Steph, LeBron and Anthony Davis You are winning You got 80, Drey, LeBron Come on now I don't know who's at the

I don't know who's playing next to LeBron And go ahead In between LeBron and Seth Who's doing that? So you'll put awesome reasons of the two Yeah If he's there I'm taking them I'm taking them

Steph Reeves, LeBron, Dreyman, AD. That's nasty. That is filthy. Yeah. And if you want more defense alongside Steph, put pods in that bitch instead. Woo. Yeah. They got options.

I'd take that. I'd take that team. We got one? In five. Okay. Steph, LeBron, AD, and Dre. Who am I to not side with my glorious king? We'll give him the win.

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