The Deep 3 Podcast - Picking Every 2024 NBA Award Winner! | TD3 Live

Episode Date: April 10, 2024

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that has nothing to do with this with the volume of your microphone oh that was the volume on microphone we are live everybody spamming late already as usual we haven't even hit 5 p.m. yet whatever but we're here we're live ready to give you guys to do this episode how y'all feeling where the real eaters at that's how I'm feeling so it did C.J. McCormick in the chat said that at the exact same time you said it no thoughts I'm trying I'm pulling this up on my I didn't even hear you

would you say nothing whatever anyways as you guys see by the title today's episode we are going to do our official NBA award show you know we've done several

streams throughout the year where we kind of give updates today you know there's like four games left for every NBA team it's our final picks we can go through all the official awards all NBA all defensive teams

everything let's go man let's go I think the awards awards season is weird because I feel like the hype behind them is always a little bit more than like what people think about them

because once we get to this time you've been thinking about it for like three, four months and there's kind of like some all right he's going to get that he's going to get that and so we'll see we'll see how the combos go

stuff like DPOI and Ricky the year were decided so long ago that it's like we're going to brush past it you know not much to say about the victim woman Yama versus Chet Hongrin debate at this point. Yeah. Yeah, no, I feel like 30 games into the season. First 20, 25, people were like, nah, this is a real debate.

And some people were leaning heavy towards like Chet Hungerman Impact and blah, blah, all those other shit. What he does on the core plus minus and comparing them to last year. And then everyone decided to like 40 games and all right, let's stop fucking around. This dude is generation, quite literally. So before we get to our NBA awards, like, you know, the main part of the show, we're going to do what we always do. we are going to start with some news stories go through our little document before that I see

Kevin Galicki just came in our most consistent donor to the show has dropped $40 he said what's up boys missed last live because I didn't realize seven acres of trees took so long to clear shout out you

you got damn lumberjack every every week I think last week we kind of got exposed as Kevin Galicki merchants it's all good glad to have you back in the chat my guy

shout out Kevin let's get to our first new story of the day Victor Rubin Yama has a new logo with Nike and has since been unveiled and immediately the only thing people can say about it is wow this is one of the best logos I've ever fucking seen. How do y'all feel about it? Wow, this

is one of the best logos I've ever seen. This is amazing. This is so good. It's hard. In an upcoming TikTok time, but we've got to do something rating logos. This will be highly rated. I promise you. Yeah, no, this dude is ready to glaze. He has all the glazing material right there on the corner of his room right now.

But not, like, as soon this logo came out. The glazing material? It's all you, man. You have your glazing material, your munch suit. You have the whole nine in your closet. What is glazing material? I don't know. I don't know.

That's you. Okay. Whoa. But, no, as soon as this logo came out, a lot of people just started having random debates about just all players, like signature logos or their be on choose or just their personal brands and stuff like that and that but this is easily one of the best and also like one of the hardest in terms of this launching in the reveal the marketing behind this is fucking crazy yeah with the eclipse yeah i ain't a lot i stared right at the eclipse bro my crown eater brain took over everybody

was telling me don't look at the sun don't look at the sun and i was just like y'all some liars that's funny the chat if you had to rank think about this amongst all the logos out there obviously the Jordan one

is the most famous Kobe has a great logo whoever else you think about where does his Wembe logo stack up all time because it's got to be like a top five NBA logo right

not top five his not top five not that many I don't okay I think obviously Jordan is one I think Kobe's is better

than this yeah yeah is LeRonda I don't know if LeBron's is. I will say LeBronz is better. He has, he's just iconic. He has multiple.

He has multiple. We might have to go through it. The weird thing is like, and I guess it doesn't matter. Like if Wembe becomes good enough, then people will gladly wear a little alien head on their face. Or like on their shoes or whatever. I don't see this one being as like easy to put on a jacket and like style. Because even though that it's Wembe, it's still like. Damn.

Bro, you got an alien on you. You know, like, it's a little weird. Yeah. That's funny. I said, shout out to Elena, who tipped $3. He said, if MPJ has no haters, then I am dead. Also, a cat was clear for full contact. Yippee.

Yeah, MPJ is a moron. That's fucking great. Shout out to Elena, man. Clear for contact. So I'm sure he shows a ramp-up period needed. You know, there's only like a week into the playing. So we'll see if he actually makes it back on time. But good sign.

If they win a playoff series, play he'll probably play in the second round then yeah uh someone in the chat posterized just said isaac looks like bad buddy if he had long hair what a racist comment unless you have no sped right now they are posterized god damn this is not what else happened since we last check let me look at this doc oh yeah since we last chatted brawny james has declared for the NBA draft with keep in mind he's done so while also into the transfer portal so more than likely he can return to school if he doesn't get great feedback in the pre-draft process but interesting that

he's dip his toe in like this yeah i mean why not you know like if if you if you go into into the draft process and everybody says oh you can go high second lay first why not why not come out instead of having to play on a bad USC team and also you could still like he could still have the potential of whatever anybody thought about him coming into the season before he literally had like went into cardiac arrest like that's a massive thing that people are forgetting I think like they hear Brony James declare for the draft and he's like oh he's not good enough guys he's coming back from like a major heart injury yeah yeah like give him he's going to be okay he just needs time and you can't really like put you can't really

contextualize that for most people like how often do basketball players going to cardiac arrest That's such a hard thing people to realize, like, what that means and, like, how serious of recovery that is. That's crazy. The only player that I could think of that, like, went through something that, that serious was, like, Jeff Green. And that was, and, I mean, he went through his stuff in, like, the early 2010s. And so it's been, I feel like it's been a while since we've seen an NBA player go through something like that. So, yeah, a lot of people probably don't even understand, like, what goes into coming back from an injury or a situation. like that yeah yeah i agree i'll say on a court wise too in terms of just like just how top high school

players decide to um decided what which cause they want to go to him going to USC just wasn't smart idea point blank period because he was playing behind a junior boogie ellis guard alongside isaiah collier who was top five recruit throughout the entire throughout his entire like high school career and so him going there was just a terrible idea in general of course like la dad there family there all that shit makes the most sense but on court fit wise it was never the it was never the right choice so like you said isaac you can go ahead probably a lot of people are speculating he'll go to go transfer to a school of his uh i think his dad's best friend that's some school called ducan or du canes or something like that ducanee yeah exactly and so if that's the move that's

fucking great. I think overall, if he has a chance to go into the NBA, you know what I'm saying? While your dad is still, like, at the peak of his powers, let him earn you more money. It's the smartest, like, decision to be made possible, you know, why not? Do you think, so, like he said, he's an test the process and likely go back. Obviously, if there is a favorable outcome, he's hearing his stock is high enough, you know, potentially he'll stay in it. What do you think that is? What do you think the level, like, do you think he wants to try and be like a late lottery

pick? Like, does early second round do it for him? Probably not, right? dude he's being he's like a mid he's going to be a mid pick a mid like lottery pick not a lottery pick mid to early first round for sure just because his dad

I don't think there's I understand that he's LeBron's son I don't I don't think there's any situation where he kind of like sniffs the lottery at this point so we can't which we draft you know but still yeah

yeah and I get that but people even before the season started people were still saying like he's he's really smart he's a good defender but he still has like a lot of room to grow and so i think i think with with that like i guess like draft it you know analysis of him and then on top of his heart situation and him coming back not putting the best film out there for people to see that might that you know that might uh fall back a little bit when you talk about him in his draft yeah no but when you talk about him and his draft status like you have to keep in the back of your mind like we have two years of

fucking LeBron James, you know, that's what comes with it. Meanwhile, you just stashed Bronie and, I don't know, not the G League, but just stash them on the bench or whatever, maybe the G League. If I'm a team like the Oklahoma City Thunder or any other team on the verge of contention, I don't know, like the fucking New York Knicks or something like that, tapping in immediately. Of course, Brony James, like you said, Donovan has his holes and flaws overall as a prospect. And in order to be successful in the NBA, you need to be really elite at, like, shooting, passing. you know, one of those two things on the

offensive end and he's neither at those two things, none of that matters to me because I know I have like a large, a great chance of his dad joining my team. And if I, I think if you're a team on the verge of contention, then do it. Like, I would take him in an heartbeat.

Yeah. Yeah, it's definitely going to be an interesting process. We'll see how it plays out. Next storyline. The one is very funny. Near and dear our hearts, somebody we like to talk about a lot. Doc Rivers is back on his bullshit. His latest bullshit. it once again pointing fingers once again throwing people under the bus

Doc Rivers discussing the buck struggles on the road this year I've actually been sitting back and watching everything not just our players but our travel crew everything we don't necessarily bring professionalism seriousness on the road all right hold on before you guys think about that be quiet Philly loving ginger

oh Donovan Mo just lagged out stuff from Mo come back in so you can react to this Mo's crap ass Wi-Fi all right Philly loving Ginger just supplied Moe with a month of new Wi-Fi. He just donated $150. He said, been watching you guys since around episode 30 and have watched almost everything since. One of my favorite channels to watch. Not as bredded as Kevin, but still got some to donate. I'm going to go back to

hiding in the back of the room. Shout out you, Phil Lovering Ginger. I think you might be bredded as fuck. We appreciate you. Thank you. A spotlight is on you. You see my Wi-Fi just cut out right before he read it? That was not no mistake, bro. That was not planned. That is God telling all you. You are something right now. and right before that uh kevin glicki donated another $20 earlier he said if mo's NBA comparison was paul george called donovan and a kill the NBA playoffs I guess they're kryptonite oh that's a crazy story okay all right Kevin shout out the two most breaded people in the chat we appreciate you all a lot back to this doc rivers on this bullshit again how are

you feeling about this I don't think we've ever seen equipment managers be under fire the way that the bugs equipment managers have this because doc said this now yannis the thing earlier in the year. And I bet you they'd have to be back there just folding jerse. He's like, yo, what are we doing wrong? Like, are we, is it not the six inch fold, right? Can we be something different in the laundry room? I,

Doc Rivers is ridiculous. And he's going to get JJ Reddick yelling at him again on TV just because you haven't been there half a season. You haven't been there 42 games, 41 games. Why are you blaming people like this? It's crazy.

Yeah. For once. For once. Just be quiet. His communication skills are just lacking. I don't know. He probably doesn't mean it in any material in any rude way, but he has a way of saying things like this that doesn't come off well, at least especially when you read it like this and don't hear him say it. Maybe it doesn't matter. Maybe the people in the locker and understand what he means, but it's always funny seeing the media like this.

This is doing nothing but literally burning his reputation in the NBA community under the bridge. Ooh, I just burnt, bro. God damn. That was disgusting. Hope y'all hear that. Next to what we got. Who is the better Nick? Jalen Brunson or Camelo Anthony?

All things considered what they did for the franchise. Donovan, how do you feel as a resident Nick fan? The spotlight is on you. Why are we doing this? It's extremely hard for me to to like come up with an answer for this just because, and I think it's probably Jalen. but mellow i i think i think it is only because but like it's hard because mellow came at a time

and was kind of like a revival for the nix after a long long period of just straight trash basketball and he kind of was one of the he was one of the sole superstars that like ended up coming there and kind of embraced like okay i'm going to come to new york and put this thing on my back we're going to try and build it didn't really happen though like there was only one playoff series win in the in his whole era like the worst season of nick's basketball is on is under carmelo anthony's watch so like i can't give him that props um in terms of like better than jalen when we've already won two playoff series but is that a timing thing for like rome anthony and the situational thing like when it comes to like overall team success because clearly jelan's

to set up better. Well, I think Jalen set up better because he's there. He's the one doing the heavy lifting here. Like, Jalen is the reason for the success rather than the team around him. Yeah. He's just better at holding up lackluster talent around him than Mello was, I think. And when Mello got there, right, remember, like, Amari had just gotten there. He was hooping.

And the whole thing was, is Mello going to be able to, like, fit alongside Amari? And they were never able to get their, you know, get their stuff. on point, whereas Jalen was able to come in and elevate the talent that they already had with Julius Randall, he was able to add another element of scoring. And this is a team, like, they're probably, they still have a chance to be the two seed in the Eastern Conference. Like this is, the Knicks this year have been as fun as anybody wanted to do. I was doing, what are you doing?

Where are you taking these pictures? Putting on our story that we're live so people can come watch. Keep talking. I was so distracting. Yeah, okay, you've been violated. I look up to us all my phone. I was like, what is this man doing?

Okay. But yeah, I think that's a lot of the fans know we're alive. Chat about the Knicks. I think I think Brunson would be better. I think Brunton is better. Wow. What makes them better to you?

Like, what about his game just screams like, all right, like this dude is more efficient in terms of like any ways to win? I think it's why Isaac said. He's able to elevate. the talent around him. Now, granted, the talent that Mello was given wasn't always the best, and there were summers where, like,

Aaron Aflalo was the big Markets who'd been signing. Aaron Flolow. Damn. Like, that's where the Knicks were about- That's real trauma. But I don't know. Brunson's just able to get to wherever he wants. The vibes are just so much better.

And again, it's not all because of Carmelo that everything in the last 10 years like went the way that it did. But he also had a chance to leave and nobody would have blamed him. But he was like, now I'm going to stay and take this $120 million. And not, you know, really allow the franchise

to go into a full, full rebuild. So there's also that. I don't know, man. If I had a 35-year-old rookie and Pablo, what's his name? Pablo Brigioni on my team. I think these conversations, I mean, but like the Knicks, listen, they traded a first round pick for Andrea Boniani.

Like, like the bat, bro, I was sitting through Lou Almondton lineups, right? Right? I was happy. I know who it is. Bro, I was happy. One of my favorite players in like 2016, 2017, Kyle O'Quinn. Oh, my God. Kyle O'Queen, what a throwback. Uncle Kyle, those were the lineups that were that were sitting through.

And it's just so bad. Like, I, bro, I was hoping that Tim Hardaway, Jr. could be a decent second option so that we could actually go somewhere. We were in the trenches. It just wasn't a good situation for any start. LeBron could have been there. And they wouldn't have made the second round. It just wasn't going to happen.

At least you guys got the best years of Quincy AEC's career. Shout out to you guys. Two minutes ago, the poll was 52% mellow. But since then, you've got it to 50-50 now. People are believing your hype. People are going towards Jalen. I think you convince a lot of people. Wow, bro.

That's crazy. Jaylon was out here. Great. Bro, Jaylen. He's... Listen, we're going to get to him into the All-N-Ba conversation very soon. So there's going to be plenty of Jailen talk to come.

He's like that. What's next? Next story. Jimmy Butler says, if we end up in the plane, we end up in the plane. We'd never made it easy. Why make it easy now?

Are you guys sick of Jimmy Butler and his whole, like... I don't know what you call this. mindset that is like people love it until they don't many people are annoyed with him and like he's talking like he won fucking three chips but he's just just jimmy butler how do y'all feel about it why does he want to be in the trenches so bad in terms of like where he ranks in the NBA bro your team is not bad at all god no it is bad like they're not a great team and it's because jimmy butler is not able to play at peak jimmy butler the entire season and

we will see if he's able to turn it up and beat play out Jimmy and do all these things right fulfilled the legend of NBA Batman that he is and do all that stuff but they're not a great team they've been in the play in for a majority of the year why like he's saying this now a month ago he was like oh no it's about that time

we're going to turn it on and then you couldn't turn it on so now you're like yeah we just don't make it easy like you get it that is true he did say that I forget. Crayon eater in the chat said, bro, is that Jalen hurts of the NBA. Just yapping.

Listen. Not too much. Listen. Jimmy Butler's entire being is based on him having an eternal chip on his shoulder that motivates him at all points.

If that's the type of shit he got to do and say to give himself that chip to become the playout Jimmy we've seen over the past recent years, go for it, I guess. But it's hilarious

given just the whole circumstances of he's given so much credit for getting this team to the finals, which is, like, awesome. He does awesome things. But it's, it's like he's believing his own hype a little bit. And he's like, yeah, I'm going to do that every year. And people were just, like, tired of him playing into it too much. Yeah, no.

And when you play into it too much, that's when it starts to get, like, corny. You're not supposed to, like, do the talking. You're supposed to let the people decide and let them rank you and all this other shit, you know? That's where that's, he's in this dangerous territories where, like, you have one bad playoff series and people are going to start calling you, like, the worst names. Not the worst name, but I'm just going to have crazy comparisons. And your lor just, and your aura is completely gone. Yeah.

It's one of those things that, like, whenever somebody that gets a nickname and they start calling themselves that, like, imagine if he started being like, you know, playoff, Jimmy's coming, like, just directly playing into it. Like, you're getting danger to close to that territory. Yeah. The only person in the NBA history who's ever been able to, like, get away with calling himself his own nickname consistently is fucking LeBron. Yeah, King James. LeBron, what are you going to do about it, bro? But even he's not like, you know, I'm not.

king like he doesn't be like he doesn't really like say it like that you know like not so direct yeah except for whenever he's out here celebrating putting that's hard though putting the crown on himself yeah that's cool that's a celebration it's hard you say that you say that you say that he's lebron you're well yeah yeah he's lebron i'm not if i did if i did see someone do that like on a court i'd be absolutely disgusted if i was on a ymc court or something like that someone was just like You want to laugh at Gilbert Arenas

real quick again, per usual? Good God. What did you say? What did you say now? Back on his bullshit, he said Nicole Yolkitch is the worst MVP winner of the last 40 years. Typical Gilbert Arena stuff. This is the last time he's going to be on this stream.

I don't care what this man has to say. I don't care. At this point, it's just funny. He's just so insurious. It's hysterical. Every day, they do the show like four times a week. or something so there's just constant churn of takes and opinions

and they just don't got it in to do it every day without being on bullshit. It's hilarious. Every single time he's on the news and he goes viral. He's always slandering and he's tearing the lines of basically he's probably going to slur some slur somebody next time he gasps about a European player

bro. How do you slur a European player? How do you slur a Lithuanian? Anybody knows it's a Gilbert. He'll find a way. He has a slurtony, bro. Yeah. Anthony Davis ruled out for tonight and what is a must win game if they'd like to get the eight seed

so that is a bit disappointing. Damn, really? Yep. Last game, LeBron had flu-like symptoms. I don't know what's up with LeBron. I mean, Anthony Davis tonight. Goodbye to the 8th seat, potentially. They're the 8th seat right now?

They had the 8th year, but they lost this last game with the LeBron. So they really have to win tonight So I get the AC back Not off to a great start Without their best or second best player That's something good to know There's so many pivotal games going on right now

I fucking love what Adam Silver did Each and every single day That were like every single game is important Two three years ago or three four years ago When they'll playoff I just saw the doc you put in a link that says Keldon Johnson biting teammate What the fuck is this

Kelton Johnson bit his teammate? What is going on here? Click it up Try, look at this. Munch? And then if you pay attention right after the camera pants to Champany, he's actually bleeding right above his eyebrow above. He took a literal chomp off of his face. That is so embarrassing.

And after that, I'm sorry, Keldon, you're not even like, you're better than Champany, but you're getting traded after that. What if you do this to Wembe? You ruined so many bags of his, bro. Damn. That's hilarious. What was he trying to do? Obviously, it's an accident, but like, what was the goal? And he's just like, ah.

And he's like, ah, in his face or whatever after champagne. But it's crazy because it just, it doesn't even look like it's an actual bite. It just looks like he bumps his teeth. His teeth are mad sharp. If all it is, it's just a bump. And now you cut your teammate, bro, go to the dentist. He's running around like an ice chisel Yeah

stabbing people with his teeth I'd be so pissed bro Because first and foremost You're on the NBA court You play over 30 minutes a game You smell like hot ass Secondly, bro You're coming up to me

And you're forcing your dirty ass breath All up in my face And then you put your tongue, your teeth all in my face too It's tough I need him traded after that Immediately That's tough man

All right well that's all the stories you got today We've got a few seconds left for you guys Up next though Let's get straight to the NBA Awards. Let's do the first part of what the stream is titled after. Let's do the official NBA awards, MVP, Rookie of the Year, DPOI, all that. Then we'll get to all NBA teams later on the stream. But for now, let's start with, do we get them to start the MVP.

Do we get the MVP talk going? Yeah, let's do that. Okay, this has obviously been the most talked about of the awards. A lot of other ones are relatively chalk, right? We kind of know where they're going. MVP at this point, you know, most of the year, or start of the year, was Joel N.m. B. Award to lose. then he got hurt, and it was like

Nicole Yokic versus Shea Alexander. Pretty clear two-horse race. She's missed some games, slow down, and Luca Dantich has motherfucking rocketed up to the top of the conversation. It's really him versus Yokic now. Where do you two stand right now at the end of the season? Now listen,

if you were paying attention to me, watching these streams, Crown Eaters podcast, I was a, first, I was on the, on the, uh, Joel and Bede train like 90% NBA fans normal cool as the scene has gone on and on and on of course shifted back into yokej's hands and now seeing how hot the dallas mavericks are and seeing the mavericks overall have overall success catch up to luca dantsich's individual success i gave this man luca my MVP vote really okay there's a couple games left in the NBA season right now they're playing the charlotte hornets if they win they're one game away from winning 50 games that hissed that line and him being entirely dominant for the entirety of the season and his team finally catching up which doesn't matter even though he hasn't been

dominant for the entirety season they're here now him scoring 73 putting up ridiculous 40 50 point games, putting up 30 points before halftime on multiple occasions, bro. I have to give him my MVP vote. Now, his team success has finally caught up. And that was the main thing, stopping him from being in this conversation and actually winning

it. Fair. I see comments says, Moe is a slave to recency bias. What do you mean by that? Yeah. Are you kidding? Let's learn some more words. I'm not, brother. Let's read the queries, right? That's what I get it.

I get it. Don't let you go next on him. Where do you stand on this? I assume when you're on the other side? Yeah, I still have Yokic. Okay. Yeah. Okay, so the team success thing, that's cool, right?

Like, yes, the Mavericks have gotten to a point where they are respectable and they're probably, they're going to finish the season with 50 wins. the Nuggets are probably going to have the one seed and they're probably going to be like six like six games better, five or six games better than the Mavericks. And Yolkich has done nothing. I feel like in this conversation,

Yokic is kind of getting the treatment that we give Tatum where like Tatum at the beginning of the year it's like, oh yeah, he's just going to come out here, score 25, play some good defense, right? The team's going to win, ho-hum. And for Yokic, it's kind of gotten to that point where he's going to come he's going to show up he's going to score 28 get 12 rebounds get 9 assists

be super efficient no mistakes he's going to hit aaron gordon on lobs he's we know what the actions are like who who cares we'll judge denver in the playoffs what yokech is doing on a night in night out basis being clearly the best player in the league on one of the best teams in the western conference which is the as competitive as it's ever been i think he deserves that nod over Luca who has I made an amazing push I don't I don't want to discount him but Yokic has been

doing this from day one yeah this is such a hard conversation I have right now because Luca on most years fully deserves to be the NBA MVP Nicole Yokic on most years

fully deserves to be the NBA MVP they both have such legitimate cases and Luca fans are being so annoying about the people that don't want to vote for them they're treating it like it's this vendetta against him like what does he have to do to earn it if he's not going to earn it now does he got an average 40 the point isn't he's doing anything wrong is that

Nicole the Okic is like Donovan said these are the two best players in the NBA this year only one can win it neither want to do anything wrong it's just two extremely qualified people and I think it comes down to obviously Luca has bigger stats right he's averaging more points by significant margin 34 on worse efficiency but pretty good for that volume is he's at 62% true shooting which is ridiculous Jokic is at 65 true shooting at 26 points per game

obviously still a great score people that talk about the wins and then the Luka fans are like it's not about who can win the most games is who most valuable being viable means you win you know that's part of it that's always a new part of it

people were like it used to be best player best team it's not that rigid but that's one of the many criteria there's individual production you know how good you're supporting cast is and how much you win it's one of three levers or however many levers you put in it

that matters so I think the rush to say that like the winning thing is lazy and that Luke is being robbed because he doesn't have as many wins is dumb there's a reason

that Yokic's team wins and it's because of him because he's so valuable yeah it's so hard because both have real claims like you guys have said I'm gonna go to Nicole Yokic

that's fair you said there's a reason why Nicole Yokic's team wins a lot and it's because of him but at the same time too you know what I'm saying there's a reason why Luca Dodgers's team has been winning a lot and it's because of the team behind him finally catching up to speed you know it has nothing to do with Luca a previous couple podcasts ago we were talking about Luca don't in his MVP case and

all those other stuff and you were made it like a great point in which like you're talking about his team and how you really cannot go against just the differential the difference in wins you know and now that i finally see that creeping up and if they can get to me to that 50 game mark 49 not good enough i think right now they're beating the shit out of the charlotte hornets and lucca has like seven threes and the seven going crazy is like they're only like six minutes into the third quarter something fucking ridiculous you know so i see that i see the team success finally creeping in and then the just his i don't know just he has so many MVP moments throughout this season.

Obviously, I'm going to say more than Nicole Yowicz, because Yokic on most occasions is going to be on cruise control, and he just glides into MVP moments. But, like, scoring 73, having, hitting, like, all these crazy, wonky shots. We saw just a couple of nights ago against the Houston Rockets. He hit, like, an underhand three-point, or was it a long two, one of those two. Insanely difficult. He just, I don't know, I see his case, and I see the team success finally rising behind him.

and I think that check he he finally is able to check off the last box which has nothing to do with him it just it just pertains to the Karees, Dante Exums, Gafferts and shit like that of the world. Here's the thing. People treat Luca like he's still playing

with Bums like this is the 2018 Mavericks and they treat Denver Nuggets like they're a super team with here the Celtics. That's crazy. People overrate the quality of Nicole Yokich's cast because he makes them look so good. This team, people say, like, if Luca wasn't on the Mavericks, they'd be a bottom

feeder. So what the fucking nuggets. They have three good bench players, none of which are creators. You got Reggie Jackson, Christian Brown, and Watson. None of those players are particularly productive off the bench. They play well fitting around Nicole Yoke and Jamal Murray, but it's not good depth there. Jamal Murray, fantastic second option. Great in his role. We know he's a top-tier duo with Yokic, but that's with Yokic. If he was devoid of Yokic, he has, fine. He is good, not amazing. Kyrie's just as good if not better in his role. So that's even. And obviously

MPJ, KC, P, Aaron Gordon, all these guys are talked about as some of the best role players in the league. That's because they have Nicola Yokic to make them look so great. They fit so great Irron Yokic that he's able to elevate them to make them look so good, not because they're so individually talented. So, you know, I don't think Luka has had

more turbulence to deal with. A lot of injuries early in the season we know. The team sucked before the trades, so he obviously had that to deal with, which is holding back his record. It's not like Yokic is carrying great players around him either. He's also doing a lot to elevate him. If you look at their on-off numbers, the Nuggets are 24 points per 100% better with him on the court. That is a huge carry job by Nicole Yokic,

the same as it was last year. 24 points better when you're on the court is fucking ridiculous. The Mavs are 9.4 better with Luca. Big part of that is because Kyrie plays a lot of the second units and Lucas on the bench, and he can carry them more. He can really hold a second unit. Yokic doesn't have somebody that can hold a second unit like that. They live and die by Nicole Yokin production.

yeah no that's so true and i and i agree with you the thing about the denver nuggets and i would say i've been i feel like i've been feeling like this for a couple years now lucas been like one of the most cursed superstars in the entire NBA cursy because of course like we don't we all know the whole thing he's so good to the points where the dallas mavericks never had a real chance to get a second star or another lottery pick of his level so the best lottery pick that they've had is fucking the rookie right now, Derek lively. But looking past that in terms of just like the fit, the Dallas Mavericks has never, and in my mind, I still think that they could still do a better job,

but just like getting more defenders, more cutters, and more people who has similar play styles to the supporting cast that Nicole Yokutaz right now, you know? Although like MP, the MPJs of the world and KCPs and whoever else you want throw in that conversation, they're not world changers, but compared to the maximum Cleba's, the Tim Hardaway Jrs, the Reggie Bullocks type shit that Lucas had to deal with, they're games. You just named, like, you skipped the four best teammates he has to do that, though. You know, like, if I skip them was like the PJ Watson's, the Christian Browns, like,

it's different, you know? No, I know, but if you, literally if you, it's different, but it's really not. Compare the five best role players that Lucas had, compare the five best youth role players that Nicole Yolka just had. It's a night in day difference. There's no conversation there at all. Kyrie. Kyrie, Brunson, Casey, Porzing.

like it is part of him didn't work obviously but like he's had Gafford now live we're doing historical look at it this year Kyrie Gafford lively Hardaway Exum PJ Washington Derek Joneses

that is a good supporting cast that is not something A chunk of those guys didn't get there though until you know February yeah two of those guys the season yeah I agree but

you know and in we can like turn page on this conversation too this is just me giving kudos to luka and be like all right your team finally deserves it maybe kudos to his team that front office as well your team finally deserve it but in terms of like you know picking yokech over him it's not a bad there's no wrong answer when he comes to this in my mind i understand it makes sense real quick real quick two two things one just to point out like what luc is doing it's they're about to hit the uh the fourth quarter in Dallas, Charlotte.

Lucas 37, 8, and 6 right now. He's ridiculous, bro. It's crazy. He had five threes in the first quarter. So that's one. Two, I feel like on a lot of these awards, something like an argument point that I've heard a lot is, oh, well, this guy has time to get this award later, right?

Where it's like, where, or like, it's kind of like pre-voter fatigue. Where it's like, no, like he's going to win in, in the future years, so we should give this person, like, their flowers now. Like, we should make sure that whenever we look back 10 years from now, this person has X award. And I don't think that that's the right way to look at it because it's because it's about who, like in the moment right now, who is doing the thing to earn the award? And if you are voting on awards based on, oh, no, like I know Lucas, I know Lucas is really,

really good. And so in 10 years, I want to make sure that he has his two MVP so we don't get. a Kobe Shaq situation, that's not, that's not right. And so, like, while I also agree that, like, Steve Nash and I have two MVPs, he still has them. And they still, like, it still should mean, like, a little bit of something. And it is still, like, a snapshot of that era. And I think whenever we look at this era, we are 100% going to look back and be like,

no, Yokic was the best player from this point to this point. And if you are just giving out MVP so that he doesn't win them all, I mean, we shouldn't be doing that. It's the same thing that happened with Jordan that shouldn't have happened. It's the same thing that happened with LeBron that should have happened. And I understand you don't want to give it to the same person every year. But if that person is legitimately the best player in the world, leading his team to the best record in their conference, doing all that stuff, they should get that award in my opinion. Yeah. And even outside of all this, we all, if everything is so close and be so close to equal, like we're saying, end of the day,

none of us rank Luca Donchurch above Nicole Yokes this year. We all look at the this. And it's like we treat MVP like it has to be mostly statistical profile. But we all know Nicole Yokic is better. There's a reason we all call on the best player in the world. So even if you think the supporting cast, the winning, all this stuff, all less being equal, you don't think Nicole Yokic is worse than Luca because Luca scores eight more points per game. So why does they give him a better MVP credit? Why is points for game way more in MVP than it does in ranking best players? It shouldn't. We all know that Nicole Yokich is better elevating those around him. He just takes less shots. We know that he says everybody up incredibly well, the best decision

maker in the league, he's a better defender, impacts his team defensively more, isn't a liability offball as a defender or offensive player, all these holes that he does not have at all, that matters in this conversation too. No, yeah, you're absolutely right. I would when it comes to defense, obviously there was a narrative surrounding Nicola Yolkich about him and people were talking about, oh, it looks like he runs with sandals on whenever he's getting back on the defensive and on the court and shit like that or whatever. And since then, yeah, it was really nasty. And since then, like,

to, like, you know, Coach Malone's strategy and just how he picks and chooses how to, like, you know, utilize Nicole Okich on that in terms of on the court, in terms of just like how he takes some space and shit like that. Genius. And that doesn't mean anything unless Nicole Yokic continues to give effort and

genuinely, like, bust his ass on that in, which he does. And there's still, even I've said it on the pocket, a couple weeks ago, like, I mean, Luca Dodger just, like, a cone to me, and he has been for the entirety of the season pretty much, although he has made, like,

real strides since the turn of the year. But, you know, with all that being said, in terms of just like the singular season and seeing how much he's elevated alongside his team, finally, the conversation has never been at all, like, you know,

how many points per game does this dude average? Like, it's cool. he could average fucking 40 it doesn't really fucking matter I'm not I'm lying it really does it does matter 40 is ridiculous but yeah 40 is fucking crazy I caught myself immediately but just seeing how he's

doing this ship rut and how special of a season this is I'd lean I'd lean his way finally yeah and listen Luca hasn't proved as a defender it's true he's better especially on a ball in certain play types Mavs fans have taken that and made it sound like he's a good

defender now because they just don't know how to be measured, everything has to be hyperbolic. He's still not an impactful, positive defender. I think Yolkich is just barely. Like, he's above average and doesn't hurt you. Luca overall is not a plus defender. We don't have to pretend he is because there's good points of possession plays where he does well against post-ups

whenever he's guarding fucking Dylan Brooks. Of course he does well against that. He's huge. He does not affect the game positively defensively on a play-in, play-play-out basis defensively. Yeah. So if Luca daunted to won this MVP award would this be a travesty to you guys?

No, no, not at all. I was just about to use, I was about to make a joke and use that same word and use travesty. No, it would be shocking. It would be shocking, but it wouldn't be like, oh, we have to rethink the MVP award.

It'll be, it'll be fine. But I just don't think, he just wouldn't get my vote. But I can, I can 100% see the argument for, for Luca. I just wouldn't go there. Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't be mad at all.

If he wins it, I'd honestly be happy because I like Luca a lot too who's also one of my favorite players. I wouldn't be mad at all. Again, I'd be surprised. I don't foresee it happening for all the reasons we've outlined, but it would be an MVP caliber year

that I wouldn't be mad about, you know, being in the history books. Okay. Rookie of the year. Let's spend exactly 35 seconds talking about rookie of the year. Who is your pick? Never mind, don't say any words.

I'm writing WMMB down and we're not going to talk about it. Sweet. He's been my rookie of the year since preseason Confirmation bias wins Wemby is been the best rookie this year as we all expected

shout out Chet your first 20 games is incredible you've been also a fantastic rookie Wemby's different When's the last time we've seen a rookie as good

as Wemby This good of a rookie season People compare it to Tim Duncan's rookie year a lot Who's better because he was like He was older So he was like legit star immediately What about Ben Simmons

I have to go back Yeah No, you guys think about that. I forget with Benzman. Let me ask you what you guys think about that. Yeah. NV1271 donates $5. He said with Shea's MVP case fizzling out at the end of the season.

I have a feeling he may now be Jason Tatum of the West. His team doesn't have so much talent in the coming years. I feel like I'll always finish fourth. I agree, but I don't think it's a necessarily bad thing. He's just not as good as these top three guys. Jason Tatea. Damning. Charles, Del Sol, we tip $3.

Let me forget. We got this last four before I forget about him. Yeah. Del Sol tip $3. He said, man. reason yoke shouldn't win MVP he likes his horse who's too much he ain't serious about ball this man's living in november oh my god oh that's talking point 20 though uh shout to no for tipping 10 he said been listening to your guys's audio on youtube music since episode 30 this is the first

i've ever watched you guys live thanks for all the content youtube music is crazy enjoy appreciate you uh shout to del soul for tipping another three dollars a shout out to ferris 22 for tipping 10 dollars he said again been listening to the pod since the finals last year and have missed one since we appreciate all y'all donovan what were you saying about ben simmons ben simmons rick year um 16 points a game eight assists eight rebounds 1.7 steals 0.9 blocks per game he played he played he played 81 games that's tough which is crazy that's insane ben simmons first two years that he actually played he played 81 and 79 games and then we never saw the mighty have fallen Wow

One of the He played 15 games this year Yeah also Zion Williamson's rookie year He hit 22 points per game on 58% from the field Oh I forget about Zion I don't know why his rookie year That didn't happen That first 20 games of Zion was

That was special No the next 60 games of following year when he came back 27 points a game On 16% from the field That's when I was looking at a god amongst men That was crazy I move on the next award Defense the player of the year

Is this one chalk for you guys Is anybody not going to pick Rudy Gaubert? It's Rudy Give it to that Frenchman He deserves it Yeah Did anybody consider anybody else here Anybody make a close push towards the end of the year

The only person I could think That honestly made it interesting Would be Wemby But his The team just isn't good enough To on defense For me to make a little legitimate argument against Rudy Gobert, but, but yeah, Wembe, Wembe would be the guy.

Yeah, listen, preseason picks. Everyone wanted Anthony Davis to be that guy. The Lakers went the other way and became an offensive warrior as a team. They just have way too bad of a defense, even though he might be the most talented defender alive. You're not going to win the award unless you have a top five defense. That's just kind of the reality of what it is. It's kind of like best defender on best defense, Loki.

Yeah, and I'm okay with that. If that's DPI, that's fine. Anthony Davis, listen, I'll see you on all defense team. It's kind of nasty. He might not win throughout his career. Yeah, neither to Tim Duncan is what it is. It sucks, but still going to be go down as one of the best defenders of all time. Gobert's season is being so underrated, I think.

It's like everybody decided the first month of season he's DPOI, but then people just kind of like, oh, well, there's the Gobert praise for the year, and then we haven't really talked about it. But I don't think we'll realize that we saw him win DPOIs whenever Utah Jazz's entire organizational approach was Rudy got us on defense surrounding offensive players. They got us on that end. And it worked, obviously.

Great teams. But it became really hard in a playoff setting, as we've seen because Rudy can't guard five people. Demich was a cone. Bogdan was a cone. Joe Engel, a lot of these people were just getting blown by. This is the first year you've seen Rudy Gobert actually be playing next to other talented defenders

and they immediately had the best defense by a fucking mile all season. Like it shows you how amazing he is and what can actually be done when his team builds around him properly and actually gives him pieces to help him on that end utterly dominant wow i'm i'm glad there's guys like you in the world who will give rudy who will give rudy his praise because i'm one of those people yeah i'm one of those other people i'm going to put him i was like yeah rudy got it good for him he's back and now i'm like all right we're good dude he's so good when he has competent defenders next to him you cannot score the rim

against this guy he suffocates people like for all to talk about wemby's defense this year and how great he is. Rudy is still on the level. He's ridiculous. He's more mobile than people think. He is one of the best defenders of all time and gets no respect for it because he's boring and corny or whatever. I'm glad he's going to get another one this year. Yeah, no, Rudy deserves it, bro. He deserves that. He should have been an all-star in my opinion, too. Now, of course, Rudy O'Barre, all-star game. Ew, who the hell wants to see that? Nobody. I get it. I understand it, too. What the fuck he's going to do? Just catch lobs and that's it, bro. But the impact that he has,

On that end, like, 70, 60% of it just doesn't show up on the stat line at all. And his rim deterrence and how he just takes up and eats up space and how he just affects almost every single possession is ridiculous. If you look at the opposing team shot diet whenever they go up against someone like Rudy Gobert, no one wants to really attack the rim. People are just shooting hell in mid-range shots, bro. That is how their defense is catered. And that's only because of Rudy, not only. Of course, like having Jada McDaniels and Anthony Edwards would be absolute dogs on on N2 helps a lot. But Rudy runs away with this award in my mind.

It's a clean sweep. Shout out, Rudy. Next award, clutch player of the year. Who did you guys go with for this? Man. Okay. Before you go, real question. Is this award just like who scored the most close points?

Yeah, no one really cares. DeMarter Rosen has the best clutch numbers in the year. year this year, per Google, per looking at who has scored most points in the last year, most games?

No, it was in the inaugural year, it was Deer and Fox. Oh, yeah, true. I went with DeMarter Rosen. His numbers so far in the clutch this year, he's played in the league

high 40 clutch games, 23 and, no, 38. Yeah, 38 have been played by DeMarter Rosen, 40 for the total bulls. DeRosom missed two of those. They're 23 and 15

in those clutch games, and DeMartarosen leads the league and clutch scored points. Listen. I'm going to be real honest with you. Unless LeBron wins it, I don't care. I don't care. This means nothing to me.

This is definitely a word nobody cares about right now. They definitely haven't built in people caring about this award. Yeah, I will say, though, so I'm looking at it right now. Demar is not the favorite to win this award. Really? Who is? Steph Curry. Oh, yeah, I've seen he's up there.

He's second in clutch points scored. They're neck and neck. Yeah, so Steph Curry is kind of running away with it, minus 150 for, for favorite tomorrow is at plus 110 so for what is worth spamming bologna is spaming uh sGA in the chat right now good for bologna people are spamming so much this stream it's crazy i've been mute two more people who'd you show who you guys in a pick uh i probably yeah cool this is just the vibes of word i give it a step i got to let him go away with something to be proud of at the end of the season all right step kerry you get something to your name

mo thinks you're the clutch player of the year Donovan thinks to Marta Rosen. Again, this is just a spreadsheet-ass award. I don't really have much increase in it. It's just, sure. It doesn't lend itself to discourse. At all, it's literally just who scored the most points in the clutch. It's whatever.

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Yeah Crowny dudes of the year Congratulations to you Six men of the year Who are you guys going with? Listen, there's a It's a tall man with dreads Up in Minnesota

That's getting my brother now that's my six man of the year that's not a bad pick at all nozs my kjai i'm who my bad donovan so who's your vote donovan naus me moe who's your vote so i'm moh who's your vote so i like nazreed a lot there's no real right answer to this shit at all but i was leaning towards a malik monk but now that i think about it maybe not that i think about it maybe not Nas Reid is the correct answer. Someone else who deserves to be in these talks is no one really gives a damn. No one's going to give him the credit. But as Bogdollon

McDonovitch on the Atlanta Hawks has been, he's had the best year of his career right now. You know, and it sucks to have it in a year where this is just like another mid, very forgettable season for the Hawks. But it's between Malik and Nasreed. So I'm going to flip the coin a little bit. I'm going to go ahead and give it to Nas read. Nice. Yeah, I wanted to go Nasreed. Malik is so clearly going to win it. This is his award. This is right in his stone. I will put as much money as I possibly can down on it. This is Malik Monk's award. I kind of want to go Nasreed because once Kat got hurt, we all kind of thought like, oh shit, there goes Minnesota's chances of being the one seed. They're

kind of cooked. Nasree stepped into that role and did exactly the same thing Carlton Towns did. They didn't lose a step. They're still tied for the one seed fighting for it with the Nuggets down to the last day of the season. And that's because Nas Reid, one playing power forward is damn nearly the same player as Kat. Obviously, they had different strengths of weaknesses impact wise he can carry that load and that is so impeccably valuable from your six man to be able to do that for a high level team that I'm cool with the award going to him or you guys want to vote that way but malik monkey's going to win it yeah I was really shooting for like basically 42% from three this year he's ridiculous I love him on on five attempts like the fact

and for everything that you just said the fact that cat went down and they can still operate kind of business as usual because they have Nas and we we were talking about before the season how Nas Reid is one of the most underrated uh you know centers in the league just because he's behind a cat angle bear he's on a team that already has two bigs they can those guys are so interchangeable and he is fantastic so i yeah i think i think nodsbrey got it but yeah my malik has has been awesome too though yeah he's malik monk plays such a insanely important role for this team coming off the bench. Like this team, like, so desperately needs what he brings to them as both to score and

the playmaker off the bench to the point where he plays more minutes than their starters on 11 nights. He's at 26 minutes per game. 44% from the field, 35% from three on difficult shot diet, which is actually down a little bit from what it was early in the season, but 15 points and 5 assists. It's like, if you watch any Kings game, he's their third most important offensive player on most nights. Yeah.

And because, like, you, Kevin Hurder. has gone kaput for yeah kevon herder who has gone kaput you switch his name back to kevin because he don't deserve that kavan tag anymore he lost his crap and long yeah he lost his street cred bro he hasn't done shit he hasn't done shit up until you say kevin today we were on some stream and i said kavon i was thinking about it again today and i was like oh i actually forgot that his name is kevin and it's not he earned that name back in 2021 bro it's 2024 kevin i need to see more action from you but yeah like there's a lot of times where the offense goes kaput and malik monk makes a whole lot of something out of nothing when guys like harrison barns just come out flat

naturally keegan murray second year can come out flat sometimes and kevin heard who didn't have great season at all is out for and is out with the injury for the rest of the season comes out with nothing so bleak monk is just as important to his team as nozreed and he was my initial pick but the vibes are great with nazaree man i love his game i love nazer i'm i'm cool with it um yeah this is a most improved player is this one tyris maxi by landslide or did you guys go with one of the other people it's it's it's i don't think we need to talk about it to be honest me neither col uh colby white had a had a claim for a little while he had a moment slow down he had a moment middle of the year he slowed down tyris max he didn't he did his thing well

tyris maxes are a lot lower obviously now because he had to go through hell for like over half the season without joel and bead him playing in like a jaylon brunson roll just having every defensive man thrown at him. Not his game. His efficiency suffered because of it. Still don't blame him too much. He's still averaging 25 points per game, a clear jump. And, listen, Jalen Johnson didn't make the games requirements.

Kobe White slowed down. Who else was in this running? I forget. Low-key J-dub could be in the conversation. I don't know, but it's going to be Maxie. He was an All-Star. Yeah, I agree. I think it's Maxie.

Some people in the chat are spamming Kaminga in this thing, too, which is like... Be serious. Be serious. Damn He said B serious He didn't have a chance Like, Kaminga could be on the ballot I agree

He's been he's great With the opportunity he's gotten He's averaging 20 points To game on good efficiency He cannot play defense He is a poor defender And it's not that he isn't deserving of being on the ballot at all

But Tyrese maxi became an all star It's just like You don't think he's more improved than Tyris Maxi is Like you cannot be serious And tell me that I have one more name for you Alfred Singoon

Did he meet the game play requirements? Nope, he did not. He played 63 games. Tragic. Yeah, tough. I mean, sure, he could be in the running. I don't know if I would have picked him over Tairs Maxey, but Sagu is another guy who just need the opportunity. I just need the platform. And he ran with it. Yeah, I agree. Yeah. Tyrese Maxi helped unlock several possibilities and opportunities on and off the court. And strategically, he just changed the entire landscape or that organization with how he's evolved in this game. So I agree. Yeah. But early in the season, after the James Hardin trade

whenever they got just role players back from him we were like oh my god is Duelan B going to be out of there in a few years like how are they going to replace that star production like he needs a running mate and Tyreys Maxie was like I got you I'll just be an all star now like I just decided and it's fine

and it has been fine they're good I'm good guy yeah like it's not just like he's points of game went up like it's a new role that's materially more difficult being that second option and he's thrived in it

I agree Tyrese maxi congratulations clean sweep is this the first clean sweep No, there's a few DPOI Notably Oh yeah, sure Oh and Ricky the year

Obviously Coach of the year One of the more interesting ones A lot of good coaching You know Performances this year Where y'all lean in So we talked about this

I feel like a couple months ago And I was I was arguing for Chris Finch You guys swayed me Mark Dagnall is now my coach Of the year I think yeah But the Thunder

like looking at everything and looking what the thunder have been able to to accomplish he's he's he's the best coach right now and he's it by him along with everybody on that team from the players to the coaches has really elevated their game this year and so i think for in terms of like expectations from where we thought the thunder were going to be at the beginning of the year to proud you know still fighting for the one seed yeah mark mark's going to be the guy yeah i think i'm going to go dock rivers but i definitely appreciate the Dagnol pick.

Oh my gosh, brus. I should throw my fucking sandal out your fucking head, dude. Don't ever say that again.

Me, the Crown Eaters are all insulted by you, bro. Be serious. God damn it. No,

I agree. I'm going Mark. Whoa. My doc just freaked out. But yeah, I agree. I'm going to Mark Dagnall. They're fourth in

offense for the season, sixth in defense. That is utterly ridiculous to do with the team that was materially basically exactly the same as we were last year, plus Chet,

and the ability to use a rookie like Chet and put him, in the exact spot offensively and defensively to completely maximize your team and make them take not just the leap to being a good playoff team but a leap to being top three team in your conference all year without really any moments of failure

outside of the injuries as of late. It's ridiculous. It's been just the uniqueness of how they play offense the soundness of how they play defense. Like a lot of teams are just as good because of talent and because of whatever reason. Like the Celtics are incredible because they have the top best six we've seen in recent years.

this team is so good in large part because of coaching. Yeah, I can agree with that for sure. There would have been so many coaches who would be hesitant to play someone like Ted Hungerman at the five full time and just be like, fuck, this is what you're going to do and you're going to drive at it and kill it. And we believe in this philosophy of spacing so much because of who our star player is. That's very fair. But also, like, I feel like someone like Chris Finch who has.

a lot of roster limitations in terms of stylistically and how he can play. You know, I'd rather, I'd link towards him for Coach of the Year. Are you going to Chris Finch? Yeah, I'm going Chris Finch. Oh, okay. Yeah, I think he's

Rudy Bar Made. Ooh, you think he's like a Quinn Snyder type? Beat. Damn, that's crazy. He's good. He's good up there too, but I think Mark has had more with his coaching decisions to elevate his talent than Chris Finch has. Not to say Chris Finch has done bad, but he can be on the ballot. it but

offensively they're very simplistic they're doing what they can with that lineup offensiveism will make their name they're carried by their defense which I think is

entirely Rudy Gobert made I think that is much more on him than it is on anything brilliant that Chris Finch is doing I don't think it's brilliant to have Jada McDaniels and Nah and Edwards

at the point of attack and Rudy Gober behind him it's great team building if you want to give him like executive of the year in hindsight to their GM cool but I think what Mark

Dagnall does to maximize guys like Lou Dort, Josh Giddy, all these guys in the court and not make you have any type of spacing liability, that's a lot more impressive to me. No, yeah, that's fair, and I can agree with that. And the most, the more impressive thing to me is just how consistent they've been

and with how just young this team is and being able to galvanize these guys. At such a young age, too. Like, they're just as old as a lot of college teams out there. And to see him, like, trot to like probably 55 or whatever wins to end the season it's fucking stupid it doesn't make any sense

but I agree with you I'm still leaning Chris French though I have to be the odd ball listen man me all need a contrarian yeah next thing we got is our all NBA teams

which I think personally is the most exciting part of this whole episode deciding essentially that 15 best players in the league this year this is where I put a lot more thought

in pressure on myself to get right but before we get to that Donovan we're bringing back a second we started last week Donovan's debate of the day

Hey, what do you have for us today? What are we going to argue about? All right. Now, listen. Now, we can either have a basketball-related one or a non-basketball-related one. I'm going to let you two decide. Where you lean-a-mo? Non-basketball-related.

Non-basketball-related? So be it. All right. And we've had this conversation before, but I wanted to bring it before the people. I think that cinnamon toast crunch is an overrated cereal. And I think that it is not in the top three Oh, kick him out Cic him out, kick him out of the stream

I think, I think A lot of people see sugar At 8 o'clock in the morning And they get excited But it is not that good And I can name three cereals Off the top of my head That I would rather eat on a daily basis

Oversome eaters crunch Donovan Racial this man to hell Donovan, I am glad you said this That shit sucks It is so over it! Oh my God! ratio ground eaters it's time to fucking rejoice reap from behind me bro spam these folks with

else frosty flakes better honeynut shirios better if you want a sugar ass cereal lucky charles might be better listen captain crunch with the berries better i've seen listen i go into the grocery store they sell the little cinnamon toast crunch powder that's ridiculous you know that should never be sold by itself because that's that's true that's has range. It is never before. No, it is no range. There's not versatile at all.

It's the most versatile cereal in history. You've never see no goddamn fruity pebbles as goddamn cream, bro. You've never seen no goddamn fruity pebbles as fucking pancake mix, bro. Cinnamon Crunch has that type of versatility, first of all, first of all, you have seen that.

Fruitie pebbles is kind of like that. There are fruity pebbles flavored stuff, and it's fruity pebbles, like, protein powder, all types of food. That's fake. Fake. Stop it, stop it. Let me, also, listen, underrated cereal, I'll be back.

You're going to make me look up cereal stats, bro. Get the fuck out here. Simmon Toe Crunch is so fucking unversatile. Frosted Flakes, you can put fruit in it. Cheerios, fruit in it. Fucking Rice Krisries can become Rice Kris chees, which are awesome. That's versatility right there. Simmon toast crunch is when you want a sugar rush and a sugar rush only.

It's straight cinnamon. There's no versatility, nothing you can add to it, nothing interesting. Just cinnamon. It is good, but not great. I might. Sometimes. And listen, if we're good. Just going off of sugar, right?

If I'm feeling crazy, you might have to go with cookie crisp over cinnamon toast crunch sometimes. Oh, yeah. No, now you're not ridiculous. That's kind of crazy. But I will say my, in terms of like underrated though, listen, this right here is one of my favorite. Go out.

You did that badger off of my screen. What is that? Who is that dude? Fire. Yeah, we know about going to Chris. Hey, hold the fuck on. Hold the fuck on. We just got a $300 donation.

Oh, what? Archie just donated $300 He said hey guys Been loving all the videos Still making my 12 hours shifts So much easier Keep up the quality You guys are my goat podcast

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Oh my goodness bro Del Sol just tip $40 Shout out Dal Sol Said I'm a huge fan In every stream I donate But after this slanderous talk About cinnamon toast crunch I am now a full-time

Kenny Beacham podcast listener. Fuck it. Listen. I'm going to put in my trade request waivers right now. Go try this next week. Come back next week. Tell me your thoughts. I like this.

I like this cereal a lot. You're giving a free promo too. What are you doing, Donovan? Let's be serious here. It will be the last company. Hit my line. Hit my line. No.

Oh my God. This is disgusting. Dude, Simmet Toe's Crunch is a B plus A minus cereal. The best cereals, Listen, when you reach the age of 19 or so, you realize that the sugary shit isn't the best cereals. The best ones are the ones that are a little bit sugary,

but a little more basic, a little more repeatable to eat on a daily basis. Frosted flakes. I love frosting mini-weets. Honeynut Cheerios, all that stuff that's like the flavor is like wheat or whatever with sugar. That's so much better than the ones

that are hyper sugary. 100%. You guys are disgusting and you guys are both wrong and you guys have been spanned with elves. And I hope that you get a bad batch It's real next time you eat it. Damn. Honestly, I have such an issue with the fact that American breakfast is just sugar.

This is my biggest old man take, because I'm getting older, is like, why is the only thing we eat for breakfast is fucking candy? It's all candy. I used to love Pop-Tarts, and so I thought about it. I'm like, it's fucking candy for breakfast. It's bread and candy. It's ridiculous. Like, why are we the country that just has to eat fistfuls of sugar in the morning?

It's setting us up, bro. I ain't going to lie. They had me. I was a plate cleaner. until I was like 15, 14 years old. I'm telling you, bro, belly hanging over to waist type shit. So I'm having a 1910s take. Bring back porridge.

Bring back porridge. Steel cut oats. I know about cream of wheat, man. Cream of wheat goes crazy. Someone's why I'm going to talk about cereal anyways. Why not? Why wouldn't we be? Yeah, bro.

Oh, my goodness. We talk about basketball all the time, nonstop. That's all we think about. Donovan. We're worried about this. I need you to shut up and talk about dribble, bro. Talk about the fucking ball. Tell me to shut up in dribble.

Shut up in podcast. Shut up your podcast. The second you don't talk about basketball, you sour my opinion on you. He's like, you know a ball. You don't know a damn thing about food. Shout out to Anon for tipping $10. He said, we clearly need a TikTok time serial tier list now. We'll return to this conversation probably next stream.

This is going to be something we return to for sure. All right, let's move on back to the award talk. Let's get back to the main topic of the conversation and bring our viewers back in. All NBA teams. We got first, second, and third teams. Obviously, we know we've got to get our top 15 players in the league this year. How do you guys would do this? You guys want to start with first?

Yeah. Let's get first out the way because I do feel like that's kind of unanimous at this point. Okay, well, I don't think the fifth spot is. Okay, four spots are unanimous. I'll go ahead and say it. We have Shea, Luca, Yokic, and Janus

as four locks in everybody's first team, right? Yes. Yep. The fifth spot is clearly up for grabs. I've seen people say AD. I've seen people say Kauai. I've seen people say so-and-so and so-and-so. I went Jason Tatum.

Same. Same. Give him his respect. Jason Taylor. Okay. A lot of people are quick to dismiss Jason Tatum this year. People are bored of the Celtics.

They're annoyed by how stacked they are and how great they are and how they clearly don't need as much from each individual player because they're so good it makes Tatum not in MVP conversations and so on. But some people will hear that

and they think that makes Tatum like bad or not impressive. But he's the best player on the best team for a reason. He's the best playmaker on the team. The best wing defender, oh, no, I just don't know that. Jaylon Brown's had a good defensive season.

But, you know, he's the engine that makes that team go and makes them so good he clearly deserves first team I think I think any desire to put Kauai over him is fucking silly I agree Kawhi has had a great season

but in terms of like the consistency Jason Tannen had done it from fucking start till finish you know what I'm saying right now Kauai he did have he was okay decent to start the year and he really ramped it up midseason and now we're going through this normal Kauai Leonard Low that we usually see

and there's injury questions, hasn't been playing like that, and also wasn't all, hasn't been performing as all that. And Jason Tatum does that on a consistent basis. I am, or I at least should be known as a, I don't want to say a Jason Tatum hater, but in my mind, Jason Tatum, truther, you know? He's going to go in, you see 27, 5 and 6 or whatever, and go home. But what he does is appreciated,

one of the best in the league at his position, and the consistency in which he does what he does, without altering the team in any certain way. People are spamming ants. People are spamming aunt and like somebody said aura man. You know that's why you want me to put ant here is because he's aura man. There's no way in fuck you think that Anthony Edwards is better than Jason Tatum this year. I get it.

We don't like the Celtics. They're not interesting. They're unfair. It is Jason Tatum. We don't got to forget. Like, come on. I love Anthony Edwards. So much.

But he's been in a nasty shooting stuff over the last like two. a week's too, which completely tanked his efficiency. I can't go in it at all. Yeah, he didn't have a first-term case in me. People were saying Brunson, I respect the Brunson pick for sure. If you're going to put Brunson there, no issue with it. Again, we all know Jason Tatum's better. What Brunson's done in his role is massively impressive.

There's a reason Jason Tatum's team is so good, and he's the biggest part. Yeah, I agree. When he comes to those Ant conversations, like, he's obviously going to make it on all-NBA team. But, like, let's kind of slow the fuck down. You know, I understand his like a bit. ability and all that has improved drastically compared to his season prior to this in terms of efficiency decision making especially defense and all that but he just hasn't eclipsed a lot of a lot of top players in the NBA who you guys not YouTube but in the general concesses

put him over yeah bucket don what's your second team because I imagine brunson is on it so let's get transition to actual brenson talk we'll start with jalen brunson uh okay and then we will go with anthony edwards okay we will go with ko Leonard. We will go with Kevin Durant and we will go with Anthony Davis. Oh, LeBron, not on your second team. Interesting. Okay. Wow.

Okay. Anthony Davis has had Andy Davis has had the best season of his career and he has been everything that everybody has always wanted him to be a dominant two-way player, right? obviously he's not this like offensive creator in the same way that like yokech or imbid is

but he's still giving you high 20s in terms of points per game and is one of what the five four five best defenders in the league like he is he's gone crazy this entire year and although he's out tonight he has been extremely healthy and reliable for the lakers this year and i this is like i just want to give him as much praise as possible because i have listen I more than a lot of people have slandered him whenever he has not been doing everything that I've asked or wanted to see from him now that he's doing it no would you have to give him his props he's been amazing yeah uh he actually thinks he's been better than lebron this year if you ranked the top 10 players in the league nobody's ranking anthony edwards over

lebron james but and maybe part of his team success which i understand i think he's been very good he's been the rock that holds him down but he hasn't been like a Luca or a Yokic that's like carrying the team, the on-off numbers are ridiculous like he's the engine that makes the offense go he is a big part of it, he's best player in the team but they're a team that's winning

with defense, not offense. The best defensive player is Rudy Gobert. He's a big impact driver this season and has done his part to make them, you know, the 12th, the 13th best offense instead of really low. But I don't think he's as much a part of winning that makes the team success have to put him second team. So, but okay, so when you say

like when you think about where you put like your 10 best players this year with with lebron how much of that is in a playoff series like i think i'd probably still want lebron over anthie edwards rather than aunt has been this you know this great player obviously like he started off super hot cooled off a little bit but i do think that the the two-way stuff from anthony edwards has been really really interesting to see this year and that i think that on top of the team's success is why I've prepared him ahead of LeBron. Yeah, I get that. But I think when you actually look,

I'm about to pull up their stats right now, I don't, even just looking at the basic statistical profile, I don't see how Anthony Edwards is any more impressive than LeBron. You know, he's averaging 0.5 points more, less rebounds, less assists. The advanced stats, block plus minus, warp, all that shit, has LeBron higher. He's simply way more efficient,

59% effective field goal to Anthony Edwards, 52%. He's averaging 0.1 more steals. And I agree he's been the better defender this year. his primitive defensive playmaking is incredible, and that's the biggest area where LeBron's been coasting. I still don't think it makes up for everything else. Who's been funnier this season? Anthony Edwards or LeBron James?

It might be LeBron James. I don't know. Yeah, that's kind of hard. It's kind of hard. LeBron does have that. Well, he was talking to Jeannie Buss and some other white lady. You remember that meme? He was like, first off, happy International Women's Month or some shit like that.

Someone read his looks to me. he's been the funny is that instantly vaulted into my top five lebron clips ever first of all first of all happy international women's day he said that's with so much confidence oh oh oh i'm seeing in the chat i thought people were trolling but yannis got hurt i'm looking that up right now yeah somebody was like yonis tore as achilles so i assume they were trolling i imagine it's not that but he is hurt I got to pull up on camera now

let's take a second look at this real quick okay that's a non-contact if you're honest towards Achilles I'm gonna fucking do damage to something let's see this slow down no no no no okay well that doesn't look good I'll say that out first

I'll be the one to say it that does not look promising don't love to see that don't love to see that limp either which looks very Achilles like Oh, fuck I'm hoping it's like a cap string or something Because he held his calf Yeah

And Damn Half and Achilles are real close to each other So there's no way to roll tell But It can't be good Especially at fucking four days Before the playing starts

Before the playoffs come around And he's just not coming back Into the lineup too This sucks This sucks Oh man This has a lot of implications Fuck

There's been a lot of talk on the timeline About how this might be Janus's 2014 team LeBron's season where all the wrong moves are made and the team quickly falls apart and didn't expect it and he might be on the way out. If this is the case and he's out for a playoff run, this will, I think, quickly facilitate the dismantment of the Bucks as we know it. Oh my goodness. It's either of that. I'm in shock. Wow. I would say a lot of people didn't even believe in the Bucks or a lot of people have gone to the point to where they don't believe

in the Bucks and maybe this is, I don't want to say good for Bucks fans, but like the discipline, then arrived to your doorstep either way but man you know seeing disappointment arrive to your doorstep like this is just gut wrenching bro hopefully it's not anything serious yeah we'll see it does look like a capstrain to me though

ah who is to say hopefully it's a capstan it's just like a two-week injury but we'll see son like he's spamming please unbanned willbauer I don't know who that is I don't know how to see who's banned shout out Wilbauer he's not to talk today without typing that is hilarious bro

Will, stop being dense and go ahead and make another account and subscribe to us again. Whenever I time people out, I time out for 30 minutes. So Will's not, I didn't sentence him to die, whoever this is. He can be back chatting in 30 minutes. Free Will! All right, Mo. Who is on your second team?

All right, so starting off this one hot. Of course, Jill and Brunson, unanimously, in my opinion, he's been one of the 10 best players in the NBA this season. It's insane to say that out loud. because I just never foresaw this coming at all. I didn't know he had this type of ceiling. And seeing how he's been able to shoulder the load on a consistent basis with a team that's not ultra-talented offensively

and just continue to be a fresh breath of air and, like, you know, security blanket for the New York Knits whenever shit goes, whenever shit hits the ceiling offensively. Hell of impressive. They haven't had that for years, decades. And for him to do that, just out of the blue, nowhere is so impressive. Second, on my list, Steph Curry. That is my dude.

Looking back at it, he probably should be third team. But there's not a real heavy argument against him being second team. He's been great. Hasn't been phenomenal. Has him in the 43, 42, Steph Curry. Okay. Curry, okay. Yeah, he hasn't been the sharpshoe that we, you know, known him to be.

But still, he's been great. Lex's LeBron, have him second team. Seeing his jump shot of evolution is so amazing to me still. He's shooting 41% from 3 this year. I think it's higher. He has a higher 3.4% of the Steph Curry. Obviously, you know, shot difficulty is a lot different, but still impressive. Then I got KD and then 80.

Okay. Yeah, I'm not mad at putting Curry there. It came down to Curry versus Edwards for me. I know, not Curry versus Edwards. Sorry, I'm looking at the wrong list. Curry versus LeBron for me, because I wasn't putting Brunson down. I wasn't putting Kauai, LeBron, Davis, any of them. So, I, Curry's seemingly taken a step back.

Maybe it's just cold shooting. We'll see. Again, I've said before, his team around him is putting him in a very tough situation to succeed. It's very taxing on him to side of play he has to play. And he's just not 2021 Curry anymore. He can't put the team on his back and score 31 points a game like that. I think that's very, that much is clear to me. he's taking that level a step back and i account it for that little bit i think maybe that's me

overreacting to the poor team around him but i'm trying to like hold my bias he's accountable because i'm always so slow to react on curry and i don't want to put him down i just thought it would be objected to put him 13 yeah efficiency wise it's fair efficiency wise excluding like one season of his or two seasons this is like the third worst year efficiency wise of his entire fucking life in the NBA and I would say that has more so of course like he just can't get baskets going in but also doubling down on that this team is just not working kevin kevin looney or kevin looney has been starting alongside uh what's his name draymond green for a chunk of the season and what's his name steve kerr was so late to make that adjustment

and finally play like a traditional NBA lineup or whatever so Yeah, I think the regression is noticeable with Steph a little bit, but at the same time, it looks even worse than it actually is because of the offensive firepower that they have on their team, which is little to none. Five power is Steph, incoming a dunks. Janus has a left cap string strain, team says. Woo! Dr. Mo is in the building. I've had plenty of those in my entire lifetime, five times that I played basketball. You've had cap strains?

no I'm just kidding I'm so long He's like You're like every time Kenny's in the podcast He talks about his shoulder injuries That's you with cap strains No

Whenever I have Charlie horses bro It only happens when I'm stretching In the morning Like after I wake up And I stretch my toes Worst feeling fucking ever bro

God Just like shaking Yeah I'll give my third team now This one was the hardest by far Of everything we're listening today, every award we're deciding, the last spot for third team all-N-B-A gave me the most stress. It was so hard for me to decide.

I'll give the easy ones first. First off, Devin Booker. First one, very easy. I think Devin Booker's become extremely underrated. He's a lock. And Curry is a lock. Edwards, a lock. Those things are super easy.

Next spot was a lock for me, but I know it won't be for y'all, everybody else. Where'd you go bare? Same. Wow. Look at you. I'm glad. But not a lot.

I understand. This last spot came down to either Jalen Brown, DeMontasabonis, Zion Williamson, or Tyre's Halliburton. Wow. My heart wanted to be like, fucking Zion's been so good lately. I got to throw him in there. I didn't do that because for totality of the season, his on-off members are really bad.

He just, like, a majority of the season, he was just the guy, while the last 30 games, he's been fantastic again. Didn't have way enough in totality to put him both on these other guys. my brain wanted to go Jalen Brown because I thought maybe the Celtics deserve a second guy he's been defending the best he's ever had playing his role really well

he was all in the day last year didn't get worse but I was like come on I mean to be fucking serious Jaylon Brown's never made the team better wins on the court he's not off numbers are always terrible he is not a guy that really elevates the team around him like some of these other guys

like Sabonis like whoever else it was between Sabonis and Tyreys Halliburton and you know goddamn well I went Tyreys Halliburton Wow to the surprise of absolutely fucking no one I went Tyre's Halliburton With the airtime, you know, God damn well, Tyrese, Albert. Listen, he had a terrible shooting slump

just closed the second half of the season. For sure. Do you guys realize that Tyrese, after a shooting slump, averaged 21 points per game on 60% true shooting? That's still incredible for a totality of a season while leading league and assists, while having a team that has been top three in offense the entire season, strictly because of him

being the offensive engine he is, even when the shot isn't falling. The level that he carries his team offensively despite the shooting slump in the second half of the season is incredible And this award isn't just for the last 15 games When that shooting slump has happened It's for the totality of the season

So the beginning when he was a god amongst men Having a 67% true shooting Still counts And overall you compare him to someone like a Jalen Brown Who has similar level of scoring Isn't the league leader and assists by any means You know, it's a big difference there And the playmaking brings for other people

It was out of him and Sabonis And I think that He does more for his team offensive even Sabonis does, and neither one of them are good defenders by any means. But I think Sabonis is defense, which is okay at best for a center, is more damaging than Tyreth Halliburton, who is a fucking cone

by all means. Tyrese is a cone cone. We seen Josh Giddy hit this man with like three in and out, and Tyrese almost sat on his ass. That is damning, bro. Tyrese is not a good defender, but it's a lot easier, a lot less impactful to have a poor defensive player at the point guard than it is at the center. It's

so hard to build a good team around a poor defensive center that that was the deciding factor for is that I think in terms of two bad defenders, one matters a lot more than the other. You know, I can't be mad at it. I didn't consider Tyrese, but you should have. He can be mad. Not, not consider it.

He was an honorable mention for me personally. I guess you can roll into my third team. So third team all NBA, Devin Booker has to be lock, still the best shooting guard than the entire NBA. Right next to that, Anthony Edwards. Okay. Depending on who you talk about,

could be the second, could be the third, sometimes it would be the first best shooting on the NBA defense incredible. Of course, whatever. Kawhi Leonard finally makes an appearance on my list. He was great throughout the entirety of the season, but it took time for him to rough shit up and now, obviously, like, you know, things have been rough for him. But regardless of the fact when he was on the court, amazing. Rudy Gobert, I have to go ahead and give him that love.

Okay. If you put him on the Sacramento Kings, the Sacramento Kings end up being a better team, bro. Subout Subout obviously Demont to Sabonis They're ending up A much better team They don't know

They're like that offensively And defensively They're obviously worse on that end So if they excel on one end of the floor So much of what they did Last year on offense

Then they are getting more Ws You're cooking People were in the chat Are like for fuck's sake Gobert over Sabonis Sabonis has carried them To like the 11th best offense Like he's done so much

To carry them And be like His offense is not Clearly isn't as valuable As Goberi's defense Whose team is winning Because they're the best defense in the lead by far

I think I would want to see Gobert on the Kings with a healthy and like good version of herder because he's been suboptimal this year and so if you had that going with Malik Monk I'm very I'm very curious to see how that would look like how the offense would look and if it just because I think that if you have Gobert there it puts a little bit well not a little bit it puts more pressure on de aaron to be a creator and kind of initiate more and i'm not sure if you put that much more pressure on him if they would thrive if they would be like a better team offensively obviously the defense would would get better and so that that's what you're trying to make it up but i'm i think that the offense would take kind of a substantial hit if that happened so that that's what i'm like i don't really know it is i don't like i don't like i don't hate the like obviously like the logic is i don't hate it but i'm not sure that's that's an interesting thing, though. Who's your fifth player, though?

I love to Rudy Gobert. Fifth player is Bam out of bio. Oh, okay. Bam out of bio. Yeah, like, I wanted to, I wanted to put Subonis in this list, but at the end of the day, I'm like, me personally, I'd rather have someone like Bam Outer Bio on my team,

and I think Bam Out of Bio is just genuinely a better center player, whatever way you want to frame it. The defense is there. He's not as, he's not that much worse of a playmaker compared to Sabonis. He's made leaps and strides as a legit, jump shooter, you know, if you can take mid-range shots, you can't necessarily sag off like you can

at times, Domata Sabonis, and he's like an all-emort to Sabonis. I'm sorry. I'm reading this comment. TD3 has the Tray-Young agenda, but for Sabonis. Sad to see my fourth favorite NBA podcast, hilarious, by the way, go down like first take path just for interactions. My guy. Do you think Sacramento Kings fans are getting interactions like that? You think we're trying to egg on Kings fans for a rage interactions? You think they have motion like that? Like, you say Sabonis's name and you get a million views we don't give a fuck about subonis it is nothing for interactions like what are you talking about i care about subonis he's a very good player to me no he's good he's good but when you discredit him or whenever you criticize him it is not for

clicks there's no clicks to come by criticizing subonis yeah i agree like in terms of fun and watchability like for sure i'd rather watch the dump demontas subonis play 10 times out of 10 compared to someone like Rudy O'Barre, but if I just want to win and have like real-life impact and shit like that on the game, I'm picking Rudy O'Barre and it's like a no-brainer. Yeah.

And I respect the bonus being here. Like I said, it was down to him and Tyreys Halliburton. I don't hate him being third team, but I don't think it's a travesty to leave him off either. Yeah, I agree. It's not a travesty.

Donovan, you've been real quiet. You've been thinking over there to tell us how you're 13. I'm just hearing to discuss. Um, Booker, Curry, LeBron, first three, um, those were locked for me. The fourth one, um, Tyrese Halliburton, um, he makes it as well. The same, same reason that Isaac was saying, like, the stuff that he was doing in the beginning of the year, right?

It's the same kind of argument, but in reverse as like, okay, maybe not like that drastic, but the, the same idea of like, Luca having this crazy second half and, like, really vaulting himself up, like, the MVP stuff. it's like that but for Tyrus Halliburton and when you are Nicole Leokich for half the season yeah you're gonna you're gonna get props for that right like when you're when you're averaging high 20s leading the league and it says being one of the most efficient people ever like yeah you're you're gonna get that nod so Halliburton gets it last player for me um very very tough

I'm going Zion Williamson whoa that's so shocking oh my goodness I'm going I'm going zion i love it kind of reverse of paliburton kind of slow start for i think a majority of people think that his start was slower than what it actually was because of the in-season tournament and listen that was a terrible moment and it was awful and i think that that was a legitimate inflection point but for a little bit after that people kind of just thought like oh he's he's been as bad as you saw him in the in the tournament final in the final four whatever he's been that bad the entire start of the season. Not the case, right? Or he's been that bad for the next two months after that. Also, not the case. He's been, he's been really, really good. And with the

fact that, like, Brandon Ingram has gotten hurt, Zion has stepped up over the last, you know, 20, 30 games, he's been going crazy. And you have to give him credit for making the adjustments, stepping up, and taking kind of the leaps that we've seen. Statistically, this is not the best we've seen Zion. But the flashes and where we thought Zion would be are still kind of there. Like the athleticism, which I thought was kind of gone because he was, you know, kind of out of shape, played himself into shape. We're seeing that again. We're seeing the dominance going downhill, you know, scoring it in the paint. We're seeing his playmaking and offensive, an offense initiating skills elevate. I think he's been very good the entire year. And so that's why he gets

the nod for our NBA. I like that. Because listen, when he was bad, bad, it was for Yonis' standards, but he was still a good player. So if you have, what called it, 50 games of just being good, not great, and then the last 30 games of being exceptional,

that makes, you know, that's a solid A minus B plus season overall for his standards. I'm totally okay with the pick. I guess I didn't go with it because I think there's some other guys that just had a better case on better teams who were, they played a bigger part in that success, you know?

Like, I want to go bare over him, who like, he's the reason that the one seed because the, you know, they're a defensively built team, like I said. And I feel like he's more important to his team success than Zion has been because the team is so evenly dispersed talent-wise. But in terms of just like who's the best players, I fully respect it. Yeah. For me, it came down, the last three that it came down to was Zion, Zion Gobert, Jalen Brown.

Yeah. Wow. It was harder than Jalen Brown off. I wanted to give him credit. It was just tough. It really was. It really was. He deserved it.

I'm not mad at all if he gets it again. Yeah. I agree with you guys also, but someone who also deserves respect and was a part of my honorable mentions of this is Paul George. No one's talking about this, but this is one of the most efficient careers or years of his career in general, shooting 41% from now on like eight attempts. And it's easily been the most consistent player throughout the entire season for the Clippers. Without him, I don't know where the fuck this team would be. Still solid defender doing anything on that end and still consistently gives that offensive punch that they need. whenever kawai is out or whatever is happening with kawai so i think he has a real case as well

he's had a pretty bad second half of the year clippers fans have hated him he's been very inconsistent shooting wise the second half of the year i think since like let me check i'm i'm pulling a sister now yeah he's been he's falling off quite a bit from when they were incredible and like it's one of those things where if you look at his like box score you're like oh he's so good but then you listen to any clippers fan and they're like oh my god he needs to be in jail like i follow clippers twitter a lot and they've just been been irated him for some reason now he has had looking out he's had a great past 10 games so clearly he's recovered but there was a good 25 games there in the middle where it was it was scary

hours for a little bit yeah also to the people in the chat saying de mitch he's not going to reach the amount of games yeah yeah de mitch was a lock for second team for me until i realized he only played 63 games same same i agree i was i put him on the second team also because the certain stint that he had was fucking special so i then dumped him down to the third team but then obviously check the games played didn't make it sorry d Mitch yeah so yeah so my if I had a 4th team it would be you probably be Jalen Sabonis adabio Zion and Tyrese maxi I think yeah if I had one I would definitely put in Sabonis in there

Paul George Jalen Brown would have to be on there as well I might fucking throw Wemby in there because it's fucking Wemby kiss my ass and then I'm glad you better first yeah I'll put one being that, bitch. I am shameless. I am shameless. And then I either pick Tyrese or maybe Pollo because respect All-Star,

but I might have to Tirese because I think he's genuinely better. Pallow could be a fourth team. I respect that. Yeah. But all right. Before, now we have all defensive teams, which is also another very difficult one to talk about the best defenders in the league. You only get two teams.

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We are going Rudy Gobereth Locke. Naturally. Bam, at Arbio. Anthony Davis. Mm-hmm. Victor Wimbunyama. Ooh. And Herb Jones.

Herb Jones. Love it. Wait, wait a minute. Oh, that is the exact same five I have. Wow. Let's go. Let's go. I had to give it to Wemby.

Some people might be like, oh, it's too soon. The defense sucks. Blah, la, la, blah. I agree. Their team defense is horrible. Have you seen the numbers when he's not playing? They are like 12 points or 100 possessions better with him on the court. They are absolutely.

ridiculously horrendous when he doesn't play so like yeah the team's defense overall isn't good when he plays but it's even worse when he sits so I don't necessarily blame him I'm looking at now they're counting out no garbage time that's not accounted for minus 10.1 defensively when he plays that is a

ridiculous spread for a defender that's like what Yokic does on offense that's absurd yeah and that's why he's not DP OY right because DPOY is like best defender best team all that stuff like what makes your defense go the all defensive teams I feel like And even like the all-NBA, you can kind of get away with this guy's really good on offense, right?

Kind of man on defense, but he's powering his team or his team, like, you kind of need a little bit of that team success. When we get to all defense, there's so much that goes into stopping somebody from getting to, you know, to their spot to score and so many moving parts. And somebody may do their, somebody may miss their assignment on the other side of the floor and now somebody's scoring. So you can have a little bit more leeway with, is this defense good? Is it not? What are like the on-off numbers? And with Wembe, guys, we look up every week and he's having a five-block game. Like he's ridiculous.

He's crazy. Yeah, that's fair. I can agree with that. My first team looks a little different from you guys. So first I have Derek White. No qualms over that. one of the best guard defenders in the tiring of course, Herb Jones should be

universal on every single human being's first defense ballot, obviously. Jalen Suggs. He's a fucking hound in one of the main reasons why. Going guard heavy. Not one of the main reasons why. Yeah, I'm going a little bit. I'm going, I'm going guard. Special defender,

he wreaks havoc everywhere. He plays defense as if he hit like a fresh line of cocaine on the sideline. He's just that, like, sporadic and insane. You just don't know what the fuck is going to happen next. That's Jeline sucks for you. Next, I have Anthony Davis and then Rudy O'Bair. So you put BAM all NBA, but not first team all defense?

Yeah, not first team all defense. Interesting. Just because I wanted to give him more so signed to guys like Suggs. And I could have had BAM over Derek White just because Derek White, everyone knows who that is. But I wanted to give notoriety to guys like Suggs and shit like that. Fair enough. Yeah, I respect it. These guys will be on my team too.

I just went towards the Biggs and the first team just because they're, you know, typically the most valuable defenders, but I fully respect it. I'm glad we all had Herb Jones. Herb Jones, somebody said no Herb is wild. My man, you cannot read. Herb Jones on every single release. Comey!

He is the best perimeter defender in the NBA. I feel like I am watching a defensive alien. You know, I feel like I'm watching Perimeter, Victor Mom of you I'm going to watch him play. The length he has the ability to maximize that length and make it be productive as a playmaker defensively. It's utterly ridiculous. Yeah, I agree.

That's very fair. Can I go ahead and spin it back and give you guys my second team? Of course. Go ahead. Someone's asked my Jonathan Isaac. I didn't put him. He's been one of the best five defenders in the league. One, he's not going to play 65 games, I don't think.

Two, he plays 15 minutes a game. Like, yeah. It's hard to have that much value. But I'm sitting for a minute. He's up there. You was number one on my list. Oh, my God. He was supposed to be my first pick.

He didn't play 65. Let me check. I'd be sure. I would think he's not going to make it. He's not. No, he's at 54 games right now. Yeah, so he's cooked. Yeah.

He was on my list. God damn it. So I'm going to have to find this up later. But regards to the fact, Alex Caruso, you deserve to be on this list. You are an absolute hound over there. That's it in Detroit, in Chicago. Of course, I have Bamarabio.

Wembe's in that list. And Chet Hungren also makes it appearance as well. Easily one of the more impactful defenders on all areas and ends of the basketball court, you know. So he deserves to be on a list. And then last minute, can I think of another player who I can sub in for someone like Jonathan, Isaac? All right. Let us go and we'll see. And we'll see with our picks.

I'll go next. So on my second team, I have Alex Caruso. I have Derek White. I have Jalen Suggs. I have Jada McDaniels. And I have Jared Allen. Nice. Donovan.

Donovan. Donovan. We once again have the same five players on both the first of the two. We're locked in. We're locked in. We're locked in. That's crazy. So you,

fuck, are you kidding me? Dremont Green doesn't meet the requirements. Damn it! Dremont shit. I forgot about the whole Rudy Go Bearer. No. Because he would have been the next up on that got that list.

You forgot about the Rudy incident. You forgot about the Nirkage incident. Which one is crazy? Damn, bro. Just put Jayne and Jared Allen today. Yeah. I love that you guys put Jared Allen on Ellis. He deserves that.

A lot of people don't really understand and contextualize how impactful he is on that end. The Cleveland Cavaliers have so much fucked up things going on within their basketball on the basketball court. Jared Allen is not one of them. I low-key, should I put Chet over Jared Allen? Yeah. I was thinking of that. Listen, Chet, if you want to do that, go ahead. Jared Allen is just like the whole, like, Cleveland.

in at least like last year and coming into this year, like their defense was based off of having Mowgli and Allen and just being like these superimposing Twin Towers. And the fact that they were able to lose Evan Mowgli and Jared Allen was like, no, like I'll hold it down. And we're just going to bolt right back up to being one of the three best defenses in the league. They've slipped a little bit since then.

Right now they are the seventh best best defense. But when it was just him, when it was just Jared Allen and Donovan Mitchell, the defense were all the way. back up and it was because Jared Island was holding it down and I think that for that stretch of the year he 100% deserves to be on one of these lists yep that's exactly why I did it too I wanted to put OG Anobi obviously didn't play enough games yeah if he played a full year for the New York Knicks and the way he was playing first team lock he would have been re even a DPOI level he'd been yeah we're like 12 points better with OGE on the floor on

defense it's crazy he's a goon but yeah I I look he Chet might be a better Chet versus Jared Allen's hard Like Chet deserves it He really transforms that team defensively Yeah yeah exactly They're different type of defenders too And I just think Chet

The versatility on that And not to say that like Jared Jared Allen has limitations defensively I just think that Chet Has better footwork And is allowed to do a little bit more at times than someone like Jared Allen For what it's worth

The Cavs and the Thunder have the exact same defensive rating that's hilarious okay so who's your fifth moe are you going Alan Chris Dunn fuck that I'm going

Chris Dunn Chris Dunn yeah Chris Dunn is a fucking hound on the defense Ben bro played 66 games I'm looking at it right now and he's just one of those players

He's sorted by games playing he sorted he sorted the players by game playing it was like all right who got to 65 no no no I'm tired of I'm tired of me getting sold by games played and he just made it shout out to you chris done but genuinely speaking like he's one of those players

to where like if you switch on him you're like damn fuck because he's gonna get his hands all over you pause and literally not give you an inch of space to breathe and lengthy long lengthy guard and also stout he has versatility on that end can guard one through three even at times a lot of fours but you know what fours look like nowadays still very impressive he wreaks havoc on that Shotper's done I kind of forgot about him But he's definitely up there I'm glad he's not the guy

Like Dante X him I'm glad to see he's had a career resurrection And found a role for himself Because I honestly I completely forgot about him In all defensive talks I haven't thought about the jazz In quite a well

I agree Who thinks about the jazz these days Yeah listen They don't want you to think about them They're fucking money laundering To get a high pick I go is Somebody saying Westbrook is definitely An upper mention as well

I guess Yeah right buddy No one's mentioning Westbrook And I don't even think you played enough games, brother. It's been cool what he's done for the team. He's definitely had a role, and obviously his presence was missed. There's a lot of guys to get to before him that are a lot more impactful overall, not just their team context, that Westbrook wouldn't be like one of my own permissions,

but I respect the shout-up. Oh, no, Westbrook has made it. He's played 66 games. Never mind. I was really wrong. Yeah, I respect a shout-up. But not on my all defensive teams. I'll tell you that.

Wait, all right. There's like 14 games going on. After this, we should go to the, to the, the scores real quick, see what's going on. All right, y'all, let's check in on these NBA games, because that is all of our NBA awards, so we're done with that. I say we check in on these games, and we get to some of your hot takes. Everybody's favorite thing in the stream, you know,

we've got to do it before we get out of here. So I'm going to pull up these stats, and y'all better start spamming your hot takes because I'm going to look at them. Yep, we're going to be grabbing a bunch of them right now. While you're fucking spamming the comment section, y'all, the live chat, also spam the like one. We're at 628, 629 likes. it's a damn shame because we have almost 900 people in here talking to you crown reader right

now fix that what are you going to do about it fix it so let's what we got the hawks in the heat in a barn burner tie game with 16 seconds left don't you fuck about that outcome but shout out jimmy and jonti's going crazy jontes a triple double uh wambi is beating the grizzlies pretty as expected kings are beating the thunder interesting keon ellis is 23 points five rebounds four assists. Keogelis, let's go, man. Shout up to you. They're giving that.

They gave them. The thunder are going to come back. Rockets are being the magic. The rockets are going to fight like hell and they're eliminated. They're a team that's instilled with hard work in them. I may is going to have them trying

to the last day of the season. Houston, thank you for doing that. I need that so badly. I need it so badly so badly so that the Knicks can get to two. How was Jalen Green doing? Let's see. he's doing man right now

because he's had a rough five games since he was crowned the next superstar six for 13 from the field oh my goodness he does this every year Knicks are being the Bulls Nuggets are beating the jazz Wompwomp

Okay Not the many interesting games on right now What was the ones that ended The Bucks beat the Celtics They're led by A 20 point patch of Beverly game This is hilarious because Pat Bev was putting the starting line up today

and immediately everyone was like, huh? That's the move? Benching Malik Beasley, your best shooter for Patrick Beverly? Hey, the results don't lie. Immediate success followed. Oh my goodness, bro.

James, 36 minutes, 12 points. This is such an even point distribution for one game. This is very 2015-2016-Hawks-like. Let me read We're all to get the hot takes now y'all See y'all spamming it up Let me read the donations real quick

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Hot take, the 2017 Warriors will smoke the 96 Bulls any day. I think we've discussed this at length. I agree. I don't know if smoke is the worry, but I think they'd win. Greatest team of all time, and I want to say it's kind of not close. Yeah. Yeah, we'll go with that. There's just too much offensive firepower.

This is an interesting one. Curry should have six rings comments. Hot take, Yokic is the second best shooting big of all time after Dirk. Best shooting big. Yeah. Better shooting big than Kat? Yeah. I mean, you think about being able to do it self-created in crunch time

against high-level defenses in a playoff setting. The versatility of shot diet. He has a midi. He has those, like, what are essentially floaters. Obviously, he's a great three-point shooter when it comes down to and he wants to take him. I kind of rock with this. he's an elite shooter in the same way Larry Bird is where it's not like heavy two point volume

but his versatility to be able to get your shot off in any place I see that so what would the short list be it would be Yokit would be Kat I don't know in terms of like something I'll say is like I think Kat is a better shooting big still because I mean just look at the percentages

and also look at like free throws and shit like that cat shooting like 87% from the line this year and Yoko just assumed like 82 I don't think he's ever shot better than the line any year in his career when it comes to shooting just straight up using off of that metric I would say no for sure now the only thing that cat has

I mean cat obviously is a better three-point shooter higher volume will like take it coming off a screen and stuff which is a big skill gap to have at the center position but I don't know totality of shooting profile I don't know it's pretty close I think I'll lean to let's get yeah I think I might take uh actually no I'll give yoke just the

the notch just because I do I do think that like being able to create a shot for yourself is very very important to being what being like the best shooter and like Dirk had that obviously Yokic can get to that and if he wanted to if yeah if he wanted to he could take as many threes as cat but he's you know setting everybody else up initiating the offense facilitating stuff like that so and we you know we've seen when Yokic decides hey I'm just going to score tonight he'll do whatever he wants Okay. I'll take your pitch.

Hot take. Swap T-Mack for Kobe and the Lakers still 3P in the early 2000s. No. No, sir. Since when was T-Mack playing that type of defense that Kobe used to play? That's something that, like, do people just not recognize that he was, I don't want to say he, offensively was just that talented on the defensive end? He was one of the best defenders at his position, considering the output that he gave offensively to.

Constant hell on both ends. Yeah. Yeah, if we're talking early, early Kobe, like the defense between him and Team Mac is not there. Like, I guess, it's not there from Team Max perspective. So, yeah, they're not winning the same. Okay. Hot take, Timberwolves can still go to the NBA finals. Okay, so I'm assuming this is without Kat.

I don't think that this is it because they just, if they don't have Kat, they don't have enough offense. And that's just too much pressure to put on Ant to score an efficient 27, 28. even like 30-something points every single night make every single big shot make every single right decision down the stretch like you are asking him to be yokic if that's the case and he's just clearly not that they are not going to do it if cat is not in the building i've got a fun hot take over here someone says currie and john morant both have top ten best highlight reels of all time john moran some of the best highlight reel's kind of too early. I mean, it's already hell of impressive.

Half of John Morant's highlights are Ms. Dunks. I mean, listen, so if we don't hold John Morant's youth against them, I'd say it's like the best three-minute highlight reel so you don't hold on longevity. I think it's fair. So is John a top 10 most exciting player in NBA history? Low-key. It's not that crazy. Five right now would be Steph, Jordan, LeBron, Kobe

Vince Vince and Jaws a conversation I mean Vince is literally jumping over people yeah I would put

Kyrie in that list over Vince personally okay Vince is up there too you can take Kyrie you can take Vince

how do we feel about this is where Jaws at I think he's what how do we feel about Shack versus Jha

no I'm not putting Shack up there I'm not putting Shack up there alongside Jaws Jaws size and speed with those hops makes his highlight real and, like, excitingness, like, really high. Like, even though, like, Vince is a better jumper, obviously,

the speed and agileness makes it pretty close. When you see Shacks, highlight real is just straight up, like, terrifying. It's like, oh, my God, how do you stop that? It's something like, wow, bro. I'm so inspired. I want to replicate that. So, so question. Jah Morant, would you take Jah Morant's highlight tape in the NBA,

or Zion's highlight tape from his one year at Duke. Oh, Duke Zion was special, man. Shit. That's one of the craziest highlight tapes ever. Yeah. I guess Duke Zon. I don't, John had some dunk, bro. He has some blades.

The block that Zion has, where he's closing out to the shooter. Yeah. That's like, that's like a crazy block. Yeah. I think I would go. Zion at Duke And his 19 Zion was special, man Yeah

Damn that's tough Okay Yeah Okay, let's do two more hot takes We're get out of here Uh Hot that's not boring Everything's about Katie's legacy

Ben Simmons Slander him over it Hot take Curry isn't top ten He's a one-way player Basketball is a two-way sport All right so next hot take Well hot take

Hot take The Mavs have potential to make another 2011 type push and win the finals 2011 type push Not gonna lie That's a good comparison

Low key If he could beat the Celtics That's kind of similar To beating the Heedles Obviously heels are better But like The unfuck with the bowl champion In the other conference

That you come through And beat off the sheer willpower Of your superstar to see it you go in you beat the the defending champs in the second round it's kind of it's kind of lining up bro could you imagine if lucca is the ring he would skyrocket Luca is the main character if he could have a ring this year with that type of that type of like path to get there beating the nuggets and the celtics the conversations would be ridiculous I don't even know where to be good this is crazy okay so like so let's

Let's run the exercise by now. So he would be in, so he would beat in the first round, Kauai Leonard, Paul George, James Hardin. And then in the second round, he would beat Yokic, Jamal Murray, and the Nuggets. Conference finals, let's make some type of assumption on the other side of the bracket. Well, the second round, if they end of today,

they would play the Timberwolves. Okay. Well, fuck it. Let's say the Nuggets are the one seat. So yeah, they play Nuggets second round. And the third round, they probably play the Thunder. and then he beats Shay Shay J-Dub Chet

and then beats the Celtics and the... That's an all-time run. That's an all-time run. That's like seven top-10 players in one run, wiped out. He would have beaten three of the top four

MVP candidate vote getters down there. And if he doesn't win it and he comes back and fucking whoops all of them, yo, do I want the mask to win the finals now? Am I think I'm on board Oh my gosh Bro That is

If that happened We're going to have Some really really hard questions About Lou Godchidant's man No we won't It'll be easy He's a guy He's the best player in the world

It'll be easy I'll be with it I damn would call him fucking top 15 But he would just If he did that Good God At the age of 25

Good God I'll just say That if he does that I will be using The term goat trajectory Often that'll be in my vocabulary and I will be running it into the ground

let's relax let's relax that's a big if he's not going to do it but if he does I will be having it takes a lot yeah it changes everything oh my gosh bro that's the last half take we had we're at two hours for the show

real quick last one last one we listen doc rivers a doc rivers quote just came across across my timeline doc rivers on the concern level with Janus's left calf injury This is how he phrased it That's a good question

Hi, but he's honest I think everyone probably feels the same way As I do We're just going to hope for the best What's wrong with that? Seems very, very negative And I don't know Kind of

I think that's fair I think I'm just hating on Doc Rivers Yeah, I don't know That's how you hate on Nick Rivers I'd be happy to shit on that too Fuck you, Doc Yeah I'm sorry

That's it is true. We'll see you all that.