The Deep 3 Podcast - Picking Every NBA Award Winner If The Season Ended Today | TD3 Live

Episode Date: December 4, 2024

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Donovan, I, I just, I've been thinking about it a lot. What is your opinion on Gucci flip-flops? Listen, the footwear or the bad baby song? I need to know. Listen, this kind of hard. I heard it today. I saw the video today. Hey, listen, she's not, she's not as bad as what I thought it was in 2016.

I saw that the three, too, people were talking about like, whoa, is she actually nice? I was like, oh, God, what are we doing? what song is it wait by who by baby how does it go like what's the team you want me to sing it

I don't know a couple bars I'm out of I don't know I don't know what it is welcome everybody that's joining the chat we appreciate you guys coming through right away as soon as you guys got the bell

notification for the stream starting you guys are here we appreciate you the minute one viewers of the streams how y'all doing someone said my glorious king Moe is back with his four head.

I'm back in general. Is it not just the forehead? The whole thing is here. I got the whole bag of the whole 90s here. What? Everybody joining in, appreciate y'all. As you guys see,

by the title of today's stream, we're going to be doing an NBA awards check-in. You guys know how about every month or two, every like 35 games or so, we do with power rankings, we keep it updating. We're going to kind of do that throughout the season on the stream

with NBA awards. So this is really our first check-in. You know, we did our preseason predictions where we all thought what's going to happen based on not seeing anything. This is going to be our first check-in having to actually seen a decent little sample size and talking about where the races all stand. Yeah, this is about the right time because it's actually kind of stupid because we were talking about it, like people have been having like MVP conversations after the first week

and like Yolkich had, you know, like three, four crazy games and we're like, is he going going to win another MVP? And it's like, all right, yeah. Let's actually watch him basketball and we've actually done that now. So it makes sense. You think my opinion on that matter changed? We're like 20. I'm not saying, yeah.

Games in. So I didn't have to change. I think Isaac may be cooking. Yeah, we'll get to that. We'll do MVP, defensive player of the year, rookie of the year, all that, all the wars you guys know. Before that, we're going to do what we always do.

We're going to start off giving you guys the rundown of the news of the week, all the biggest storylines that are happening. And I think it's only right that we start with probably one of the biggest developments we've seen in the NBA over the past few years this honestly is a chance

to change everything this could be like exactly what the league needs to fix the TV ratings to make fans feel good about the place of the NBA and you know if you're in the chat wondering

what could he possibly be talking about I missed it, I don't know well I direct you to this tweet from Bleach Report that says T&T Sports is partnering with NBA 2K25 to blur the lines between video games

and the real NBA experience this will include the shot meter 2K badges and player tracking for NBA Cup games Holy shit I know some 65 55 year old executive

thought he was in his bag when he was making this plan coming into fruition thought he wasn't his bag what tell me how you're gonna enjoy this I'm gonna be tapped in I'm gonna be tapped in I'm tapped in like crazy

I'm ready to watch the green beans come out of Steph Curry's hands this is awful I don't I don't care because I'm not gonna watch it And obviously, like, it's going to be an alt-cast. So it's not, this isn't going to be the main thing that you see whenever you, like, tune into a game.

That would be egregious. But it's like, you guys remember a couple off-seasons ago when Adam Silver was, I think he was at the Sloan conference and he debuted the new technology. And it's like, you could put your face inside, inside, like, NBA League Pass, like some ultimate reality, like put your face on, on like, any player, any highlight. That's what this feels like. Yeah. Where it's like, we're just doing stuff just because we can.

Not even because it makes sense because we actually push the game forward because it would be fun. Just because it's like, why not? Yeah, I'm just joking. People on Twitter, you know, it's become such a commonplace thing to be incredibly negative. But the state of the NBA, everything is the sky is falling. So it's funny. Some people get mad about this. Like Donovan said, this is an alt-cast.

I don't give a shit. If they want to do stuff to make young fans when I watch more games, go for it. I don't care. would 13 or 14 year old you guys like care about this would you tune in or tap into the alt cast because that's the two of their targeting maybe nine year old me no yeah i i because i remember i remember when in like 2016 so i guess i was like 17 then that you like you remember on mba saturday prime time they used to change the the three point line to like red after somebody took a three and then seeing that i was like whoa whoa whoa what's happening to the game i love like we're just

doing too much. I just want to watch it. I think having like a 2K version, a 2K cast, it would be very jarring. It's just a lot of stuff happening. You know, it's a lot of, it's a lot of badges, a lot of things on the, on the floor where it's like, I don't, I don't need to see this for the whole game. Maybe a couple clips of it would be fine. Yeah. Yeah, I don't really care about this. I'm just kidding. Let's talk about the first actual news story that happened. And several days ago, it is reported that Brandon Ingram has officially signed with clutch sports. He fired his previous agent, which this came several days after we talked about on last stream, that he was apparently far apart in contract negotiations with the New Orleans Pelicans. Basically, for the past year,

they shopped them in the summer, said, what can we get for this guy while also talking about maybe doing, you know, a contract extension of the numbers right? Clearly the number is not right and they have not agreed. And then days after that's reported, he fires his agent. Something is changing on the Brandenigam camp. And now we're going to report today from Shom Sharania, which seems to be the first big, you know, like info dump post-clutch a signing of him. And he says, I'm told Brandon Ingram wants to be a part of a winning environment. Interesting. Well, it makes sense because New Orleans, they suck and they are not winning at all. And there's like, there's certain moves when, when, like, whenever they get made, you know exactly why somebody made that, why, like,

what's happening afterwards on like a very, very small scale. When James Johnson got signed to the Pacers, you're like, okay, he's there because they need somebody to fight. If you call Rich Paul and you call Clutch and you say, hey, you guys are not my agents, you know I'm about to get traded. I'm about to get what I want because that is the only reason why you sign with Clutch is because you want to be able to have a lot more control to what you have right now. And Clutch obviously has a lot of power in the league. So finally, we should probably expect you know be out to be moved yeah just last stream i believe we talked about the whole zion the whole zon thing we had a little update about it he switched agents as well for whatever reason and

we're all we're all on his case and on on his head and now this week seeing the same thing happen but to zant to brandy ingram who we all like assumed he was going to get traded either or over the summer or this year makes a whole lot of sense they're doing a whole lot of nothing there they have a record what, four and 18 so far this year. Now, in my mind, of course, this is no surprise he's going to get traded. I just am so curious to who he's going to trade it to. And that's where I asked you guys a question, a question like, who wants this man's branding him? Yeah, chat, what do you guys think? Where do you want to see Brandon Ingram traded to? Let us know what we talk about it. I want to see your response is what your favorite fan trade of Brandon Ingram would be. But yeah,

I don't know because so one, he wants to be a winning environment, which sounds to me like they're saying that to say listen but buckle up the pelicans are not a winning environment so you know it's about the money but we're going to say it's about competitive environment this sounds to me like a precursor to a trade request at some point assuming they don't you know give more money which why would they you know clutch is probably really good at negotiation but if they only want to pay him 30 million and he wants 40 I don't think a new agent is going to change that so I don't know if you're which contenders would you think would want him there's one team they keeps coming to my mind and maybe it's triggered by the fact that they said like winning culture

but i keep thinking about the miami heat and that's obvious every anytime as a trade seems like a miami yeah yeah but like outside of just like oh trade miami heat they don't like being at the bottom like pat riley will never ever go the the tanking route that's not how he's wired that's not what he wants to do and so for them it makes sense that okay you're going to go trade for bi especially when, you know, we talked plenty about how it looks like Jimmy Butler's on his way out. You replace Jimmy with B.I. You have him and band moving forward. Tyler Hero's playing really well.

And at least you can be competent in the Eastern Conference. That team right there can get you into the top five, into the top six. And then at that point, you just trust your infrastructure. You trust Spoh. And you've seen your team make a finals run from the 8C twice. Now you can go ahead and say, okay we have BI we have you know some more scoring than we have in years past maybe we can tap into that again and we can make another run a lot of the chat is saying warriors you know people

the biggest talking point right now at golden state after they've lost four straight is they need a second option they need another you know scoring threat next to step it's kind of ridiculous so he has this much pressure on him as a leading score at this age so naturally people see a big scoring wing and think that's exactly what the warriors need i mean if he can play in that system great it could be awesome but not everybody can play in that system it's a very difficult thing to adapt to it's a very specific skill set needed to set a lot of screens make a lot of reads off of screens play in motion fast keep the pace moving none of those words really described by ending them to me so i don't know if i'd necessarily be jumping to do that if i was the warriors

yeah it's it's more like that that seems like more of an off-season thing where they were just trying to throw stuff at the wall and see what sticks and you're just like at this at a certain point we just need talent in the building but I agree. I think for fit, it doesn't really make sense. You know, it would make sense. Well, actually, no, I scratched that thought process because, again, key words where he wants to be in a winning situation,

and that's basically telling all teams, like, I guess, Utah, if you want to say, or maybe even the Brooklyn Nets and shit like that to just completely fuck off. I do not want to resign with you guys. Interesting you say that. It was also reported a couple days ago by at Fear the Brown that Brandon Ingram shut down trade talks between the Pelicans

and Jazz this past summer due to his lack of desire to re-sign in Utah shocker black man does not want to live the rest of his life in Utah the rest of his life is so crazy

but that makes sense that being reported a few days ago echoed by the clear report today through Shams that he wants to be in a winning team that makes total sense listen tell me what you guys think about this

chat let me know what you think about this I don't want this to happen but I see the writing on the wall that this may happen I was tweeting about it a few days ago you may have seen this I think this man might be a Laker

or at least I think Rob Plinkill will try to make him a Laker I don't really want it to be the case but hear me out last time the Lakers were heading nowhere fast we're looking like a playing team need to make a clear trade

what do they do he called up a rival GM and he traded for a former number two overall pick taken by the Lakers in DeAngelo Russell everyone thought there we go

he did it he got the talent injection now here we are the Lakers have no wing play who would be the perfect descriptor

of another person that fits that the former number two Lott manages Lakers traffic in Brandon Ingram I think he signed

with Clutch Clutch is a great relationship with the Lakers they clearly want to get him paid big Rob Polinka

is a guy who likes names and is a guy who likes to look at talent on paper rather than what the team actually needs

and even though the Lakers desperately need defensive wings, I could 100% see a world where they think that the best bridge between the LeBron era and then building around AD post-Lebron and then whatever the bridge is is to get Brandon Ingram and pay him. Okay. I like that idea.

I mean, I don't love it personally for LeBron and the Lakers and A.D. and so like that, but in terms of Rob Polinka, and just knowing what type of thinker he is, Rob Polika, I know what you are. This is so on brand for him because it's like, ooh, yeah, we got that guy. We're preparing for the next post-Lebron

celebrate or post-Lebron career or whatever. And we have AD, now he has a co-star. This is a big name, perfect story because he was drafted in L.A. So what you would think. It makes sense. And again, I don't really love it as a Lakers fan. I don't hate it, though.

Like, I think it does make sense to try to get a bridge guy. And if you want to build around LeBron and AD and have this type of style of play, have any chance of doing it. from the playoffs. They need athletic defensive wings. That is clear as they, and they need a backup center. So they need like a, if they're going to spend those two draft picks, they need to try and get like a Nick Claxton during Finney Smith package, right? If they're talking about contending for this

year. But if you want to tell me to look in more towards the future and doing something that will help them this year, get more talent and also kind of retool in the coming years, I could kind of understand it. It's not crazy to think maybe the next year is LeBron's last year and you want to have like two, three years after that, be the final years of 80s contract plus 29, through 31-year-old Brandon Ingram, that wouldn't be crazy to me. And I think if they gave up an unprotected 2029 first-round pick and a protected 2031,

the Pelicans probably take that for an expiring contract in Ingram. Okay. Yeah, I can see that. It's, this is all very, very hard because for the Lakers to make that move or decide what they want to do when it comes to Brandon Ingram or even, you know, what kind of trade they want to make around the Lakers right now, you're going to have to have some uncomfortable conversations because with the king

with Mr. you know Mr. Kid from Akron you're going to have to start you know I'm not saying you have to have a full staff meeting maybe send a text to one of your executives like listen are we going to we're going to have to do this is he still going to be able to you know to perform do X, Y, and Z because he hasn't played he hasn't played up to LeBron standards

this season. I'll be nice. And it's starting to look like McQueen is fading. And I'm not sure if they are ready to fully transition over into life without LeBron. Now, it kind of makes sense. AD is still playing amazing. You just hired JJ Reddick. You talk a lot about building a program, building a team and a structure. And you've had a lot of coaches come in and out over, you know, since Phil Jackson left. this could be the time that the Lakers kind of, you know, make the switch and start having a lot more stability at the coaching position. But again, you are going to have to make a really, really tough decision on how you feel about LeBron in this moment

and how you feel about LeBron moving forward. And that, I'm just glad I don't have to do that because it's a very tough thing to do. Yeah. I see someone in the chat, Jimmy Belcher said, y'all need to stop cussing. My mama won't let me listen to y'all anymore. I got some bad news for you.

It's a dog-eat-dog world, man. Tell your mom to tap in, too. Watch it with your mom. Tell him, we're not too bad. We're not too inappropriate. We just say fuck a lot. I'm bad. But no, you're right.

The Lakers are to crossroads. I think the state... LeBron's playing bad, like you said. He's going to play better at some point than what he's doing now. He's missed 23 straight threes. It's been abysmal. He'll look somewhat better,

but I think the days of him being a top 10 player have officially concluded with last season I think that's fair to say at the minimum he's not playing a top 10 level whatsoever so if you have a very optimistic view of the Lakers which you guys know I haven't all year the way you view that is you have two top 10 players and you can get a good enough supporting cast

that they can carry you through a playoff series when you have certain matchup advantages that allow your two top 10 stars to thrive if you don't have two top 10 stars anymore and you have like the eighth best player in the league being generous to AD and then whatever LeBron is at this stage, you're not really going to be,

there's no ceiling there, I don't think. So it wouldn't be crazy, I think, to do the uncomfortable thing you're talking about and kind of start planning for the next stage, make LeBron a third option, get a big star-ish in Ingram, which I know people don't want to hear that because they think,

fix their current issues, get a defender, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But maybe you're just punting that. And maybe the current issues aren't super relevant because you want to plan for next year, two years from now, three years from now, whatever they may be.

Yeah. It's also not uncommon for the Lakers to do this. Like we saw towards the end of Kobe's career. Like, yes, they had their final push where they went and like they got Dwight and they had Steve Nash and that was kind of it. And then Kobe chairs his Achilles. And afterwards, they could have in the offseason, you know, made a run, try to, try to acquire some other assets, try to get the team back into a competitive state.

But they're like, Kobe, here's all the. money we can offer you let's just have fun and just vibe out until the very end of it and you like it wouldn't shock me if the lakers did that right now either where lebron obviously he's he's been here longer than he was in his or it's been as long in l a as like the first state in cleveland like he's been with the lakers for a long time and so i know that for them it it wouldn't be something where he's not one of us i know that like isaic had said it plenty of times i still have like you know thoughts or whatever but he has been a laker for for a very long time so if they do want to take care of them they could say that they could just say

hey just you know vibe out brani's out there with the old bay lakers and everything is oh you know everything is okay and boom like we just we just hang out like that until you retire maybe this is a cook products man yeah it's simple as that take some some road or some route of that dude get brandy and you do whatever just make it as entertaining as possible at this point yeah that's a good point all right let's move on in the next new story we'll see what happens with brandon ingram that's going to be someone to monitor from now until the trade deadline it's probably going to heat up throughout january let's go to the next headline of the day mo what is your thoughts on this can't thomas says his generation emulated james hardin more

than step curry uh yeah i believe he said this during the draymond green yep uh draymond green show or whatever and super interesting to hear from him obviously i think he's talking about his perspective because if you talk about Cam Thomas and who he plays basketball more like in terms of ISO, obviously is James Harden. But I think I want to agree and disagree. I think when he comes to team basketball within the same episode, too, I think he was like, yeah, like Steph Curry influenced teams, but Harden influenced like one-to-one players. Yeah.

I think that's wrong still, even thinking about it now because everybody is just shooting more threes whether you want to point towards someone like an anthony edwards or a jason tatum or like whatever it is like three is more than two and individual players are getting their shit off more like that and when it comes to like perfecting and are playing basketball like james hardin you're not only scoring it's also like passing so there's a whole other like part of basketball that you just forget about when you think about james hardon basketball and i don't think cam thomas is even the best representative of that so i disagree i think you can attribute the two point volume to Hardin 2.

It's obviously different than the way Steph does it, but, like, players taking a lot of stepback threes and a lot of, like, isolation threes, that's James Hardin. You know, he just passed up, he's a third all time now and made threes. Like, he's also part of that revolution, but I understand what you're saying. I think the caveat you said that teams are emulating stuff and players immuting Hardin, that's a lot closer to the truth, I think, because obviously every team has taken the learnings from the Warriors and that really the Rockets, which I guess I'm going back to James Hardin.

took to the next level with the volume-based three-point approach instead of just areas of the court to attack. But I don't know. I mean, think about it. We've always talked about there's really no true Steph's successor because he's almost kind of like LeBron in the way that you can't emulate LeBron's athleticism so he's not super influential in that way.

You can't really shoot like Steph. Nobody can really have that type of audacity because you're not built like that. You can be like Hardin and you can take step back threes, be a really ball-dominant guard, try to get to the free throw line, do the ISO game like we have Shea who obviously plays that regard obviously Luca Donchich I see Cam Thomas a little bit in that big guard style like I kind of see what he's cooking

Yeah you can roll up other guards like that like whether we shay you could throw in the mellow ball tray young luca donch is of course and there's plenty other young guards who are Trying to become that lofty just like scoring and passing yeah i think you said you said you said a word that is exactly where i was going to go to where for step i think we're step I think Steph opened really everybody's eyes that, like, hey, this three-point shooting stuff is real. And, you know, Hardin was working with Mori and Dantone. I think even without Steph, that trio of people would have started to, you know, to be more, you know, three-point oriented. But the thing that I think Steph encouraged everybody on is the sheer audacity, the audacity to take certain threes.

because you have any, any player in the world now, any player in the league, like if you are a decent enough shooter, you feel like, hey, there's certain shots that I can just take, and it's okay. I can take a three-point shot, you know, four or five feet beyond the arc if nobody's close to me, and it's not a terrible shot because I'm wide open. I think with James, the step back, that more goes into, okay, I have to have a back. I have to be able to create for myself off the dribble just because, Nobody, the one of like the main reasons why there isn't a Steph's successor is because nobody can run like Steph.

The cardio and the off ball movement is so key to what he does to where it's more traditional to get your shot off the dribble and to be ball dominant the way Hardin was. And so getting, you know, adding stepbacks to your game, adding rip throughs, getting to the foul line, all that is is much more palatable to learn rather than, you know, okay, hey, we're going to have to run 30 miles today and you're just going to have to be okay. with it. Yeah, you can teach those skills a lot easier. A lot of Stephs just feel and just obviously you're not teaching the greatest shooting ability of all time, but all the other ancillary skills that make Steph Steph, stuff, are very like innate and IQ base that are much harder to teach than throw your arm up whenever you're going to the rim because they're going to put their arms out to contest you. Like, you know, that small stuff that Hardin does is a lot more teachable. Yeah, exactly. I can name like so many players who can just sit down and spam dribble moves and

just blow past by you, get a floor or a layup. Or, like, go ahead and give you a lob up the top of the key, like what Tray Young does on a consistent basis. Or Luke or Lamello or it's, I see so many more Sades of Hardin because it's more attainable and reachable. Like you guys said, and stuff is just like that cardio is just so insane and so rare. Oh. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Oh, we're going to have you named it? Have you named her?

No, where's a few we're choosing between, but we haven't picked one yet? a couple weeks I'm sorry you guys What's the list at this point I will tell you After I read the donations that I completely forgot to read

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Got a little distracted, but we'll be back. I'll stay on top of them for y'all. I feel people donate. Then when I don't read them, they feel so disrespected. I'm like, I'm sorry. I just missed it in the flow of the conversation. I would too. I remember one time I donated before just to see if Isaac read it and he didn't. He scanned me.

Oh, yeah, get fucked. I'm glad I'm next headline let me know if this moves all wait wait wait wait wait wait wait I need the short list I need the short list of names oh for the names okay I don't know about a short list but we're thinking about blue maybe blue okay yeah blue I kind of like blue our eyes blue no nothing about it's blue I don't make it too on the nose because like it's too easy if I'll call it like charcoal or coal or like something like that has to do with being gray like you know if everyone does that So I was trying to avoid making it two on the nose.

Your name is green. Next headline. Tai Lu says Kauai Leonard has progressed to on-court activities. Given the state of the Clippers, are you moved by them right now if Kauai is at the on-court activities portion of his recovery? I don't know what that means, but no, he's getting better. He might be back eventually at some point this year. You know, if you're a team like the Minnesota Tim Rules

or a team like the Sacramento Kings who's just trying to galvanize what they can and recoup like a lot of the easy losses that they've lost or easy losses that they've gained. I'm pretty annoyed because it's like fuck man. Now we got another like superstar on this page or on

par who's going to muck things up for us. It's interesting. I don't want to say it's going to change everything but these guys are they're good. This is a damn good team. Yeah. I really hope we get Kauai. I guess that's the only reason I want to read this out is I just hope we get to see like this version of James

Hardin isn't efficient he's not James Hardin of old right you know he's not going to hit that level but he is gunning the shit out of that offense he is coming out and he is volume shooting he is there's a lot of touches to be given and he has taken him and it's very fun to watch it stylistically is closer to Rockets Hardin than it was the past few years when he's playing around other stars and really being like point guard point guard it's fun to see this and I want to I the Clippers are owed an opportunity to at least have a few weeks together with Kuwai Leonard to see what this team could do with this version of Hardin

the crazy defense Tyloo has instilled around that. Donovan, fix your face. Look, you're ready to hate. The word choice kind of got me where I was like, I don't really like that.

Ode an opportunity is why I did like that. Yeah, Clippers fans are an opportunity to see what this team can do with Kauai Liner. Like, they deserve to, they're rooting for what they're going for and they're seeing a very

complex playing above their head. Nobody's done it. Clippers fans deserve to see this team healthy. I don't care. They don't. They don't. We fight for Clippers fans, on this goddamn pot, all right?

And it's not just clip respect. Like nobody around the league is like, I feel listen, I feel I feel my father's spirit just like handling through me right now. Like nobody's owed anything. Work for everything.

Like, but like, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's fine. See, you know what? You're right. They're not owed anything. They had all the reason the world to be the 14th seat in the West and be irrelevant this season, but they picked themselves up by their brute straps, but one foot in front of the other and they've earned a 500 record they've got that shit out the mud they're the most out

the mud team this year they deserve it and that's why and that's why i would hate to see this for my board norm powell because he's out here he's out here norm powell was like oh paul jordan's gone max player's gone i got it i'm gonna hold it down and now and now we got to come in here and try to integrate kawai who's probably gonna play 15 games and then get hurt again and now you're going to throw off my rhythm and we have a good thing going. That's why for Norm Powell, you got to look Hawaiian his eyes and be like, it's my time, old man. Get your body on the knees over there, but stay on that corner, stand on corner.

You don't want to ruin his flow. As crazy as that sounds, 30, 31 year old Norman Powell, let him and Hardin Cook because that's what's been thriving and keep keeping them afloat this entire season. Can't ruin that at all. Some of the mosquito in the chat said, can we add a new segment called Dawn's Hating Time where he gets to rant for five to ten minutes. We need to, man. We need to give him an opportunity

to get some shit off his chest just to get it out of his system so he can not be plagued by it in regular segments. I'm just a chill guy. Shut up. Shout out of mosquito for the good idea. We'll probably do that at some point.

Next headline. Lamella Ball is expected to miss at least two weeks with a calf strain. God damn it, I hate injuries, man. It's always something when somebody's going crazy. Damn It's so on

At least it's not his ankles A lamella ball Thank God You can get hurt Everybody gets hurt It's fine We'll learn to live with it But as long as those ankles

Stay healthy I won't get too frustrated Because if I see another La Mello ball ankle injury I'm gonna be doom and gloom Doom and gloom Yeah I agree

At least I'm just happy That we're seeing Lamella ball hoop And it's only gonna be For two Three weeks or whatever We'll be able to see him next month It's not a big deal.

The Horace weren't doing shit this regular season anyways. Yeah. No, not terrible. We'll live. But speaking of terrible, you know who has terrible vibes right now? The Golden State Warriors, and every Golden State Warriors fan, they were on top of the world two weeks ago. And the last week, they've slowed down.

But, I mean, not in any serious way. But they've lost four games in a row, which happens at the course of a season. They're starting to see their lack of secondary scoring threats come out. And they are freaking out about it. Steve Kerr was asked about this, and he said, this is how it is. It's the NBA. It's a competitive, vicious league. Four games ago, we're on top of the world. Everybody's happy. Now we've lost four in a run. Everybody's pissed. And this is obviously facts. Fans are fickle. They were ready to crown themselves on new championships a week ago. Now they're like, oh my God, we're never going to win. The truth is somewhere in the middle, obviously. They're not cooked at any means. But how have you felt watching them throughout this four game stretch where they really had their, you know, weaknesses exasperated against some tough appointments? Vindicated. I was going to say the exact same way. You can't be vindicated yet I don't know

I hate it like me when it comes to hating the warriors I feel like I've been right since day one hearing all this talk about this stupid ass depth Oh yeah we got names on names on names Kyle Anderson Then we got uh, De Anthony Melton I think he heard his ACL or whatever Then you got buddy healed and all that

That's good news I left to hear that But none of your guys can create off the dribble None of you guys can hit anyone with a with an out cross, bro. But Steph Curry, he's fighting for his life and I hate that because he's one of the greatest of all time. But I told you, Isaac, and I told all you other crown eaters that this team was not who they think they are. And it's been four games, but I'm taking this four games to the test. The season ends now for me. Let me know, I'm not overreacting yet. I think they're still good. But I do, obviously, I think they're going to be the one seat all year, even with a good

start. We, listen, we were here happy to say, good job, buddy healed. You're playing the best you've been in the system. From your whole career, this is the best version you've ever seen. you're being maximized by Steve Kerr. But he obviously wasn't going to have the greatest fucking shooting seasons of all time. He was going to drop to normalcy at some point and have a rough stretch to get him closer to 40% instead of 48%.

That's happened. We had issues with the lack of creation outside of stuff because we didn't really see the vision with Kaminga being that guy. And that's kind of come to head. So last time we talked about them, I said I believe they're really good. I think they'll be like the fifth best team in the West,

which is a lot better than we said before the season started. But even us giving them props for what they've done, never thought they'd be the one or two seed. So I think this is just kind of normalization to the middle ground. I think they're going to stay at. Yeah. I'm just happy because the team that I, like Mo said, the team that we thought that we thought they were going to be coming into the season, they're still in there.

It's okay. All right. So like there's room for us to, they're going to be a good team. I thought that this team could potentially miss the play in. That's not going to happen this year. So I'm taking wins wherever I can. And so this four game, this four game losing streak is, it's the only indication of, like, yes, our preseason analysis of this team was, like, was correct or had some credence to it. Oh, that's that creed on.

I'll take, yeah. And that's all that I want. I just don't want, like, because I was like, Warriors fans are crazy. And you tell them that their team is going to be the 10th or 11 seed. Then they start off and they're the second, you know, the second best team in the conference. They're like, see, we told you all along. And it's like, no, you still have issues. You still have things that you need to work on.

on in a playoff series when every other team is like really, really good. These are some of the things that might come up, right? That might get you bounced. And that's what we were worried about. But for the regular season, we did underestimate they just the power of like having, having guys, having rotation guys, and their infrastructure being so good that people can also, you know, start to step up. And again, like you said, if Buddy He was going to be prime Clay Thompson,

then yes, we can talk about the words being the, second best team but if it's just buddy heel like we thought that's a different conversation yeah that's a good point i think i've been talking about the lakers on twitter and bitching about how terrible they are and warriors fans have been like us too we suck talking to me at my mentions just like sharing in the misery and i'm like you guys don't know how good you have it even though the warriors had these major issues that no we were down on them to start the season they've proven that they have a crazy high floor even though their talent isn't that great because their system is so good and they've proven that they're back teaming a really good defense.

I don't think that's going anywhere. So even with the creation issues that are very real, they're built to have regular season success and not dip out too far as long as they're healthy because they're going to, they're going to system their way to a six seat at least. But even with us admitting they're a good team and we were wrong before the season started,

I never thought they were a super crazy playoff threat, even at their peak. That's a very different conversation. I am fully wrong that they are a good regular season team. I still think for all the reasons we doubt them in the preseason, I still would not pick them against a good team in the West in the playoffs. Okay, so question.

Going back to what we said about Brandon Ingram and the idea you brought up earlier, if they were to somehow get off Jonathan Caminga and whatever else the Pelicans want from that team for whatever reason, do you view them any differently with a Brandon Ingram,

Steph, Indramon, Trio? Yes. I don't want to say Ingram there at all. Ingram's a terrible fit for that system. I like Ingram, but in that motion system, you i don't i don't see that fit whatsoever like i'd be very shocked if they did that i don't think it would be a championship ceiling but i do i do like it just because at a certain point you have to be it the number one thing that we've been talking about right now you have to be able to have at least two guys on your team who can create off the gym who can create

for themselves and create offense and i know that if step is out and for either you know like 12 minutes in the game or if stuff is out for for five games brandon ingram has the ability to where he can go and get buckets and and i'm trying i think like honestly looking at the way that i viewed the king signing demar de rosen in the offseason where it's like oh like this isn't going to get them to a championship ceiling it's not going to do this is not going to do that you kind of miss the fact that you are still adding a very good team you're still adding a very good player and a very productive player to a team that has a need, right? They needed some more offensive creation with the fact that Subonis isn't going to do that for himself.

And so it helps and it looks a little better. That can be the same thing for the Warriors, where if you add Brandon Ingram, I think overall it's going to be a net positive. Let me ask you a question. I'm glad you mentioned the king. How good are they right now? We're on the same page. Well, listen, they can't guard anybody. So like, I don't, I knew that they would suck defensively.

Next new story We have The King's last seven games L versus the Spurs L versus the Blazers W versus Timberwolves L versus the Thunder L versus the Nets

L versus the Clippers L versus the Hawks One in six in the last seven games The Kings are spiraling I follow a lot of Kings fans Because before the season started I was saying I'm not high on them

And they were coming for me So I followed some of them to check in To see what their thoughts are Over the year They are in hell They are not having fun This team has two good shooters on it.

Kevin Herder, Keegan Murray. They currently have zero good shooters. Neither of those players are playing well. Keegan Murray's shot has completely disappeared. It's horrible. And they're losing a three-point battle in every single way. The defense isn't going enough to make up for it. Their stars don't shoot threes either like that.

So it's... Things are going terribly for this team. Right now, the haters have vindicated. I pick them to be the eight seat, I think, in my predictions. Because I just assumed they were... They would offensive competency either way to a decent record to be in the mix. Right now, they're looking close.

to whatever the biggest haters or the Rosen signing thought they would look like. They're like the 12th year right now and there's not a lot of signs of positive regression coming. Sum it up. Capital ASS. These guys are ass. I knew it. I felt it and it pained me in my heart to see them regress so much. Now, of course, I hope that Keegan Murray,

this is not you. I feel like you are a on average 37, 35% shooter. Kevin Herder has had a really rough couple of years for the Sacramento King hasn't been him genuinely you know malik monk has been in and out of the lineup mainly injured throughout the entire of the year it's hard and it's disheartening to see them like this but also at the same time it's like what do you expect they have been plagued they have been cursed with being an la team and there's nothing they can do it's not like i think i'm sure we

can all agree with the scene if the sacramento kings were like a team in alabama or whatever there would be probably be hooping in the eastern conference but in the west you just have no room for bullshit and sadly like this is what they're on right now yeah some of the chats of what do they need to fix themselves well they need keegan murray to be a great shooter again one then kevin herder to be a great shooter again and i think they need mike brown to get his head out of his ass a little bit i think he has not had a good coaching season they have had a fit starter issue all year and he's tried every answer to that question besides the one that has been staring them in the face that every fan wants to see which is keon ellis

He's had a very, very, very short leash on Keon Ellis and has not really felt the need to empower him which to me is a little bit crazy because you have exactly one good defensive guard who can shoot the three and that's Keon Ellis and they just started Malik Monk in the most recent loss there which is like the breaking case of emergency

let's go all in an offense and try to just run and gun put our most talented scores out there and just try to make something happen and they proceeded to lose so clearly there's desperation here to figure out who that fifth starter is maybe, I mean, listen, he's I said get your head out of your ass, but I'm

mostly being facetious, he's the coach, he sees his guys day in and day out, he knows more about why not to start these guys than we do, but if Keone-N-Ls isn't that answer to Mike Brown, who's going to continue to make the decisions, then they have to find a fifth starter in a trade market. That's the answer the question is they have to have a guy there that can fit with their three stars and provide enough

shooting and defense to try to fix their terrible issues right now. Yeah, I, listen, the Kings, and Florida's worth, they still are seventh in in an offense right now right like they on even in even in the last 10 games they're still top 10 in offense so like the the sky is falling but for them they only work if they are top five in offense they only work if they're like top top three in offense because you know

exactly what the defensive limitations are before you signed demar and then even after you signed tomorrow so like that's the that's the real big issue for them but it's I wasn't a I wasn't wasn't a massive fan of who they were last year, and it was kind of the same thing this year because you think about who is going to be able to jump into, you know, the top 10, and you knew that a team like Memphis was going to come back. You knew that Houston was going to be better. You figured that they can compete with. I know. I didn't, I didn't either, but you thought that they would kind of, you know, be around the same range. You thought Golden State would probably be in that, like, you know, 10-11. Mo had the spurs.

in the top 10, right? You had the spurs jumping up. And that's age you beauty right now. There's always going to be one to two teams that are going to make jumps that we don't really see. And when you're the Kings, if you are not a 100% top 16, you are at risk. And that's exactly what we're seeing. Yeah.

I 110% agree. Going back to what Isaac said about Mike Brown and him just having a really hard time, like identifying who that fifth starter should be. You're right. it should be kianos a couple weeks ago when he played the Atlanta hawks he put up like 33 and i saw him hit the most insane i'm not even gonna call him three-pointers i'm gonna call them magnet balls because that's what it felt like it felt like a magnet was attached to the goddamn hoop and shit was just going in bro he will kian ellis had like a spiritual experience i never seen

him hoop like that and for the entirety of the year really he's been shooting really well from the three point now now i will say it's on low volume i think it's on three four attempts per game or whatever but overall especially through the last 10 games he was shooting a like 40%. And if someone like that is going to help your sinking, your continuously sinking defense and also be, shoot better than Keegan Murray and Kevin Herder, he is the answer. Yep. Yeah. We talked about this at the beginning of the year where we were trying to figure out who the fit started was going to be. And it's like, do you want to double down on what your identity has been, you know, over these last two years and, you know, and start Monk and start Herder and do

and do all that and really go in on the offense or do you say we don't have a good defensive center we don't have a good defensive forward you have like you you have you have one good defender in the in your starting lineup at the time which is king and murray do you do you want to have a second or do you want to have only one and that's that's just been the issue that they've been fine all year yeah you know what they're missing right now they're missing harrison barns you guys laughed at him doubted him unc harrison barns tar hill harrison barns tarhoo harris Barnes. He's having his revenge season back in blood. He won the player of the week for the

first time. Harrison Barnes this is a huge shout out to you. I promise you, if he won player of the week in Sacramento, they probably would have been happier to keep him morale. Shout out those three games in which he shot 65% from three. I hope he keeps doing it.

He proceeded to go right back to normal after that week. Fuck up. It's next to topic. Shit. I've made some of donuts real quick. Shout out to Chunky Corgi for tipping $10. I love that.

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the last headline we got before we get to the awards check-in is remaining with the Sacramento Kings. Rival executives are monitoring Deeran Fox's situation in Sacramento per HP basketball. Which isn't the greatest source in the world, but it's probably true. Last month, Aaron Fox turned down a $165 million extension. The assumption was that this was about next summer's financial opportunity for Fox and nothing to worry about. Other executives aren't so sure and they're ready to pounce.

One thing that would likely change the conversation immediately is if Fox occurred in all-MBA selection and open up the Supermax for him to resign, yada, yada, yada. Basically, if he makes all-MBA, they're going to supermax him and he'll stay. If he does not make all-N-BIA, there is no reason to stay with the Kings because they cannot offer him that huge contract. And teams are like, hey, maybe he'll be. listen to a trade. Very, very interesting. Well, guess that means

he's getting traded because he's not making all-N-B-A. God damn, right. That is, that is not happening. So, let me ask y'all, where would you guys like to see D.R. Fox? Los Angeles Lakers. Oh, my God. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. First thought is obviously it would be cool, but yeah. I'm kidding.

Obviously, you're the Orlando Magic is the first thought or a team that you want to see a point guard to go to. I don't necessarily think they have to because I think with Franz becoming this big playmaker, they might be okay with Franz and Palo being the lead guys I can see that route but if they decide a playmaker is on the table I'd like that or the Houston Rockets I was just about to say the Houston Rockets that is a glove and hand fit

the speed on that team would be crazy that's demonic bro that's torment every single night for 48 minutes straight where you have three four of some of the most athletic guards that the league entirely has to offer You know what's funny? Fox has a very good rapport with DeMontasabonis. Putting a fast point garlic deer in Fox next to a passing hub big man like Sabonis has proven to show dividends.

Problem is, there's no shooters and defenders around them and DeMontasabonis isn't that good at defense. You know who has a very similar offensive skill set to DeMontasabonis, but who's a better defender than DeMontas Savonis? Alperin Sengoon! There we go, it's perfect. And you might not have the great shooters, but you got fucking defensive demons around.

I don't think that at the game. give up Eastern or a man in this deal. They'd probably give up a lot of guys around that. So it would kind of just be what they got going to Sacramento, but with just stupid defenders around them. It's a better version, a better idea of Sacramento. That's all it is. Yeah. I love that idea. Like I don't know what the deal would be. They'd probably ship out Reed Shepard since it'd be a little duplicative because he's kind of like a lead guard of the future and that'd be enticing to the Kings. So maybe it'd be like Reed, maybe Jalen Green for salary because I mean they can let that go.

Maybe it's like Reed and Jalen Green and like one or two picks, which still kind of feels like a lot, but something of that regard, whoever the pieces may be. So if you got Deerrin, who will be the starting two guard, maybe you go straight Amen,

Tari long term, or Dylan Brooks, Jabari and Sangoon, I kind of see the vision. It's a top three seed routinely, bro. Easily, bro. Easily, bro. Well, I don't know.

Top three is difficult, but it's a very competitive team. They're two now, yeah So who knows, bro Who knows? Someone said Fred Van Vleys I don't think is enough to Yeah, you could just be Fred Van Vleet

But I don't know if the Kings would want him Yeah I love that idea so much Outside of that I don't know about many other teams Who would be great Who fit greatly alongside What Deer and Fox has to offer

I mean the Minnesota Timbles Would be cool as shit But I don't know what they necessarily have to offer That means like Rob Dillingham Is like easily gone like shit divincenzo is too um and also whatever things that say that again divincenzo there it goes better what happened the first time it just had it crazy oh yeah yeah don't devin chizzo's like cool too but

yeah i'm i'm looking at i'm looking at all the teams in the league right now and it's so it's always very very hard trying to figure out like trade destinations for these for these players that are clearly good and are clearly like you know top 35 top 30 level players but you just know that they're they're probably not going to be the deciding factor into you like winning a championship and so eventually like you're going to get to a point where you're paying you're paying like 30 year old something dear on fox a lot of money and so I don't know like what teams are equipped to do that spurs and have castle play too do you think or maybe Castle is part of the trade

but you know you have Deeran Vassell and Wemby as like your main three guys it's nice I like it Miami The amount of price reason that Deeran Fox gives I felt with the heavy Can I interest the Kings

and one Jamal Murray Listen I didn't want to say because I didn't think that they would be down If they can get Deer and Fox instead of Jamal Murray window is back open wide the fuck open it's back open maybe the kings

love being competent so maybe they're like listen we just make Jamal Murray our lead guard he can do the same thing him next to this is a bonus and if Jamal's healthy maybe they're not wrong

maybe I don't know but Jamal's proven in the past couple years to be less reliable than you was a few years ago it sounds to me like that might be the perfect out for the nuggets

if the kings continue to be the kings and do dumb things yeah if the kings are just willing to accept like an extra pick or whatever from the Devere Nuggets and I can see this easily happening

That would be so cool Seeing that fast-ass guard next to Yolkits That'd be amazing Wow Deer's a great cutter Deeran's a very good cutter I need it to happen I need it to happen

Because the peak version of Jamal Murray Which is like someone who's giving you 27 20 routinely It's just Deeran Fox every night Yeah I mean the style plays very different I'm done doing a lot I tried to hold the second one back

but I couldn't do it there's a cat on my lap has hair in my face I can't help it I happen to men these days Oh my God allergies Ah Jesus

All right so that's the end of our news stories We know We hit the 40 minutes of news 50 minutes actually It's time to do What the title says We're gonna do an NBA awards check in

We're gonna talk through Every single award right now Give the people who we think Are early in the race Who we think would win it If the season end today All of that Let's just start with MVP

Let's do the main one first. Let's get to the Glitz and Glamour Award. Mo, who is currently your top three in MVP voting? Okay. Top three in MVP voting. Jason Tatum's in the mix. Naturally. He's number three, comfortable for me.

Comfortably for me. Number two, as of now, if the season was to end today, remember, folks, if the season was to end today, I got Shay Giggles, Alexis, Alexander. I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. why do you hate it at number one i have nikoliochich i hate it because like tatam and she have been like doing everything that you would want them to do actually no scratch that i'm so sorry i'm so so so sorry and number three i actually have yonis then i have shay and then i have nicole yokech i'm gonna say i hate that i have tatum off of this ballot but you can't look at me

in the eyes and be like yeah this dude is better than then yonis bro it's just not possible Yeah, I'm kicking Shay off the ballot. I'm going Yokic, Tatum, Janus. I think those are the three right now. That's my three. And honestly, if the bucks, if the bucks continue on the trend upwards, if you ask me next week, I might have Janus too over Tatum. Yeah, the bucks are 10 and 9 now.

They've crawled out of a hole. They're above 500. They're not beating the best teams in the world. You know, they're beating up on teams they should be. But that's better than what the fuck they were doing the first 11 games and they're two and nine. losing to all the teams I should be. So it's positive regression.

I think I tweeted this and some people were getting upset about it I had to meet the conversation because it was annoying me. But I tweeted that Janus's carry job to me is pretty much equally as impressive as Yokish is. And I understand the on-off ratings, Yokic is a much bigger swing because the team is fucking future when he's on the bench. I get all that. So Yokish fans calm down. But the bucks are terrible.

Without Chris Middleton, they are so unathletic. They have a mediocre coach. They have a second star who's been good. But we know that him and Janice aren't super complimentary. It's very your turn, my turn. They don't have a ton of super positive traits as a team. And they're winning these games because Janus is going goddamn sicko mode. He's leading the league in scoring just as efficient as well as last year in which he had his most efficient year of his career.

He's playing making incredibly well, just had a triple double, obviously rebounding super well. He is putting the team on his back. And I think for how terrible they started to crawl them out of that hole, he needs to be in the top three, I think. I don't know when and I've been saying it and I've heard a lot of people also say it like that are really really tapped in to watch an NBA basketball

but I still don't think that the general population understands just how good of a playmaker Yanis is I still think that that is a part of his game that's still very underrated and so when you add that into the fact that you know his scoring his defense his rebound

all that stuff and then you put him at a very competent level, you know, even above average playmaker for position, yeah, he's, he has a better case for MVP than Jason Tatum does right now. And I feel bad. I feel bad for Tatum because like you said, what more do you want him to do? It's kind of like whenever Steph and KD were on the Warriors, and we knew that they were playing some of the best basketball in the league. But you look at the squad and you're like, I'm sorry, you're just going to be discounted from these conversations for the next couple of years and that's just it is what it is and although that boston has gone through some injuries and they haven't had the whole super team from you know

from game one to now still i look at the situation and i'm like hey you guys have who you have so you're not really there that's why for yeah that's why for me it's yonis it's uh i mean it's yokech it's and then i still do want to give tanim his his respect because he has taken it he's playing better than he was last year. So I'll put him at three. But, but let, you know, let, let the thunder get rolling. They still are the number one seat out west. Shea could get up there, but that's my top three right now. Yeah. And my question to you guys, go ahead. No, go ahead. Ask your question first. I was going to be like, what does she have to do to sneak into that number three spot? Nothing. Just win the war of attrition. Shea's going to do Shea things.

And you guys, did you guys pick him from people before the season started? I think you did. Yes Don't necessarily Maybe I did And the reason You guys pick them Is because they're going to be The one seed

And he's going to be hilariously consistent And over time Teams will fall off Teams will get injured Shea is going to be the steady force That's still going to be the case So by the end of the year

If he just keeps doing Shea things He'll be in the mix We just got to see If one, Yokish can keep averaging Immense crazy numbers If you're honest And keep the team afloat If the Celtics have a outlandish record

They have to give it to Tatum However those ships fall Will decide things but Shea is going to be Shea and he might end up winning it just because everybody else kind of disqualifies himself. Yes, I agree. And also, like, if the Cavs continue to roll, like, if the Cavs end up with the one seed,

that's kind of, that, that's one of the biggest reasons why, because we all know, like, we know how we feel about Tatum. And again, shout out to him, he's playing well, but we understand where in the hierarchy that he is. We don't, I don't think any of us think that he is one of the three or four best players in the league. And so a lot of the conversation last year and a lot of what is going to push him forward this year is the Celtics are this good.

The Celtics are, you know, once again, one of the best teams in the league. They have the one seed. If Cleveland is able to take that away from Boston and you can kind of, you know, strike that from Tatum's resume or for his argument and it isn't a definitive, the Celtics are the number one seed, all this other stuff, that's why I think. you can start losing points to where that's the small things that Tatum has going for him where the other guys

they make up for it just because they're better than him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If they're not the one seat, Taden doesn't have a chance. That's clear as day. But we're saying a lot of things about all these other guys. End of the day, Nicole Iokich is averaging 29.6 points, 13.2 rebounds, 10.7 assists, 50% from 3, 57% from 2. He's making his team almost 20 points

100 possessions better when he's on the court. the team has got awful around him and he has him above 500 his record with him is even better because he missed three games for personal reasons so they're like 10 and four with him or something over the last 14 games something crazy it's him everybody else is fighting for second place but if this keeps up it is gonna be nicoly yokic what are what is his counting stats so far for the year i think he's averaging a triple double right yeah just said it was 29 14 14 rebounds it was basically 30 13 and 10 you zoned me out entirely i can tell because that's what i led with yeah no i was actually looking at that's that's right now i was looking at yonis at first i was like what is he doing around last night and i was like what is yokech doing as well that's hilarious 30 13 and 10 like fucking duh he's winning it but can he maintain 30 that's hard can he he's not going to shoot 50% from three at some point that don't normalize he'll probably continue to 2% this is actually the lowest 2% percentage since like uh 2019 so that's gonna get better

at some point, but maybe not. Maybe because the volume's so crazy, that's why it's a little bit low, which is fine. If he maintains 30 and 10, Nicole Yokich will be MVP. If Nicole Yokich finds a way to have an even greater scoring volume while still being the best pastor in the league, he will be MVP. This is Yokic's world and we're just living in it right now. We're just experiencing the Joker and what he does every night on the basketball court. I think I started a couple podcasts ago, like the disparity between like how good Yokic is

versus like the rest of the league is comparable to like peak lebron years in terms of like yeah this guy's like so clear number one no one can focus on now yonest does make it hard especially with the defense that he's been playing and the playmaking and all that but it's it's it's still yoke's league oh i didn't even catch that yeah that's that's yonest doesn't make it hard but no it is unfortunate for yonest that he's having this crazy ass season and super deserving and MVP consideration crazy run like three it's been like three years like post post championship and the 20 i guess the 22 year when chris middleton gets hurt like that series against the Celtics that was one of his best playoffs series like he was carrying the bucks and

from that moment on it's been a lot of injuries going into the playoffs the bucks had last year that was kind of disastrous like people haven't really been so willing to heap on praise on onto yannis in the same way that they've been willing to do that for other players so it really is like an underrated three years for him. So wasn't Isaac the fuck he's squinting at? Y'all can see me squinting. That's crazy. I'm squinting because the TV I'm looking at the chat on. It's kind of far away. And my eyes are kind of dry.

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Who is defensive player of the year? It's the season to end of today. It's the same guy that I told you was going to be DPOY at the start of the year and is Wendman. It is Vettor. Listen, for the first two weeks, the Warriors have a crazy defensive rating. We were like, oh my God, Raymond is going to be in the mix again. Chet was obviously leading a team with a 95 defensive rating. They were the craziest defense we've seen to start a year in a long time.

His hit fell off. so he's out of the race. He won't touch 65 games. Evan Mobley was looking crazy because the Cavs started the season with the top two offense and top two defense. Their defense collapsed because all their wings got injured.

So he's out of it for the time being. There's one man left standing. And it is the tall motherfucker in San Antonio who early in the season, but when you're predictions, I picked Chet because I told y'all I don't have a ton of faith that the team will have a good enough

defensive rating that he'll be able to get the votes over Chet who's going to be equally as impressive as an individual player on the top defense. Well, that is absolutely wrong because they've been a top 15 defense for quite a while.

He is obviously DPOI. Yeah, I mean, it's so clear in day. The spurs as a whole, like even without Wembe, have been actually good, bro. Throughout this and throughout the majority of the season, their second best defender, Jeremy So on, it hasn't even been healthy, bro.

So seeing the spurs, yeah, exactly. So seeing the spurs, like somehow survive through Wemby and, obviously he's been back like this prior week or whatever but he was out for like a certain stint seeing them just maintain this like newfound identity on the offensive but more important this conversation defensive end is so inspiring considering all the things that like they've been going through whether it be the victor miyama is out sohan is out obviously their head coach greclovich has been dealing with health stuff too so he hasn't even been there fully

as well it's so inspiring and this is the leap that i first seen coming because of the competency around that and the shit that they've been building. They're 13th in defense right now. 13th in defense and 18th in offense. I figured they would be around 18th in offense, but I thought their defense would suck. And that's where I was wrong about them.

I picked them to be nowhere. I didn't think they would touch their playing race. I thought there would be too many good teams, and then they would be 13, 14 out of the mix because there's too many contenders. And obviously there's been some disappointments that'll come up higher and the Pelicans took themselves out of it

because their whole team died. So that's allowed the Spurs to get into the 10-11 mix right now. but I think they're actually a little bit higher than that right now you know things fluctuate every day but they're in that mix firmly and that's because that defense event man I did not think they'd be a top 15 defense I thought they would suck balls in that end

that's just so wrong Harrison Barnes I still think it's kind of a potato on offense but he's defended really well obviously they drafted Castle who's a very strong defender even as a rookie obviously has a rookie issues but he's good they have a lot of competent wings out there and Wembe is just a force

like their defense is just somehow become a super strong suit for them every night every night you know like you go and you see the scores and like scroll on twitter seeing all this stuff and i feel like every night that the spurs play i'm always seeing the tweet where it's like wemby's the first guy to do to have this many blocks and this many steals nobody's ever had this many you know this is just a new record every single night and you watch you watch like how he's able to to protect the rim but also how mobile he is so it's like it's just this constant roaming 7-6 alien that's that's able to be all over the floor and it's it's just wild and it's fun it's fun to watch and so yeah like that's that's also the reason why even if

castle wasn't as good of a defender as he's been even if harrison barns wasn't that like they could have been a trash defense like isaic said i still thought that wemby and his presence alone it was going to be so overwhelming like not there's not one individual player in this league that plays defense better than him and so that's why he can get it but now that he has competent people around him now it can really elevate him and really elevate everything else that he does so it's yeah it's kind of locked up for me it's it's it's wemby also in the mix of emmobly's played really well jerry jackson junior has been fantastic but it's also it's who we got to recognize somebody that we wrote off a little bit earlier than the season.

The Timberwolves are back up to 7th and defensive rating. And if you guys have watched Timberwolves this year, their defensive talent is dog ass. Nas Reid has been defending horrible. Dante DiVincenzo defending horrible. Rudy Gobert, if they keep rising up, the fact they got up to 7th, he has been looking so much better defensive over the last few days,

especially when they beat the shit at the Lakers yesterday, Rudy Gobert is going to put his name back in that mix. Because if they get to top five defense, it will be a baffling accomplishment. and I don't know if he'll win it because of voter fatigue, but he will be immensely deserving. That defense of talent is terrible. Yeah, that's the main thing.

I think voters are just straight up tired of Rudy Gobert and they're not going to vote him in again because of whatever stupid ass reasons that they have. So I think Victor, yeah, but so I think Wembe's like just a fresh name and it's just fitting through the type of year that he's having so far. Yeah, I don't care.

If they get the top five defense, Rudy Gober needs to be DPOI. Nasree, I love Nasreed. His defense is terrible this year. so bad, Dante can't defend anything. Like, J.D. McDaniels, we're going to talk about him in our coming episode this week. Hasn't been pleasant.

Their defense is so bad around him. Like, Rudy Gaubert is a superhero. Yeah. You can even mention Julius Randall as well. Oh, obviously. Obviously, Julius Randall's deans. Yeah. Sticks out like a damn sore thumb. Rudy Gail is a fucking superhero, bro.

The fact of the seventh is crazy. Yeah. He's done this before. It was looking like this in Utah. Where you look around and it's like, you know there's nobody on the perimeter that i can't i can guard and somehow yeah and somehow the jazz were you know always one of the best defense is in the league i'll see we'll see i just because i've seen how bad julius has been and sometimes like there's there's like levels of

bad defender and sometimes like people try but they're just bad a lot of the stuff with julius is like it looks like effort where yeah you just like you know you know like you're just not trying and so when that happens, that feels so much more detrimental to putting somebody in a position because now it's like, I at least thought that you were going to be able to hold off your man until here before I had this, you know, start making rotation, start helping. Now, everybody's just flying everywhere. I have no idea, you know, where to plug holds at. So I'm not sure if they're going to stay at seven. But like you said, if they do, if they do, he could definitely be top three free. Yeah. Some people were saying in the chat, y'all tripping for leaving out Dyson

Daniels. I appreciate your love for Dyson Daniels. I love him, too. He will be all my battle. Guard, no, he won't. Guards don't win DPOI unless they're on the number one defense and they're having freak of nature seasons. Or if you're Marcus Martin, you get to make a wish pick because people are tired of Biggs for some reason.

Scratch the battle talk. He's just know that he 100% is going to be on all defensive first. There you go. He will be all defenses. The name is cemented on that. 100%. I'm letting you know right now. For me, like, the top three, fine.

We can do what we do. Fourth and fifth, I'm giving recognition to guys who are really, really good defenders. I don't care about, quote-unquote, like, value to your defense. I know that Dyson Daniels has been playing amazing defense. He's going to be on the ballot. I know O.G. and Ninobe has been playing an amazing defense. He's going to be on the ballot.

Like guys like that, when we start getting into fourth and fifth, I'm okay. I'm okay doing that. That's fine. You literally are just giving him a participation trophy. That's crazy. My camera just overheated. Can you all still hear me? Oh, my God.

Yeah, I could be... Damn, you got black as hell, what the fuck? Oh, my God. We're rocking with no camera for the rest of this stream, y'all. I'll leave the Algonauter sign on there. Yeah, he looks like, me! I'll keep talking. I'll turn it back on in a few minutes when it closed down.

Oh, okay. But no, that's fine. You want to give him participation for fourth and fifth? Go ahead. That's fine. But top three is going to be a big man on top defense. I'm a hawks, and I'm never going to complain. Somebody said your camera going off was karma for leaving out Dyson.

There you go. But I deserve it. Dyson's awesome. No slander to him. He's fantastic, but not over these bigs. The basketball god strike again. Here we go. All right, man.

Who was the rookie of the year if the season ends today? Let me. Go ahead. Man, oh, man. I think it's so simple. It was clear as day. The rookie year, why would you do that to me? You just ruin my whole vibe.

I'm like going to turn off my camera too, like I say. No, the rookie of the year is so easy and clear his day, Jared McCain. Although over the last few games specifically he hasn't been pooping like that. I think the last game that I saw, he was coming off of the bench for whatever weird-ass reason. But as long as he gets the minutes and the opportunity to put the ball in his hands, he's going to win rookie the year because every other rookie, whether it be, what I should say, just not that good just yet, hasn't been super efficient. But he's been better as of late.

Alexar, Wizards, Basketball, Hell. and they have, they just successfully completed no win November. No one's watching them. Donovan cleaning is good defensively, but rookies don't win any awards for defense at all. So, yeah. Jared just needs a platform. We know how it is.

Some of the stars came back, Jared, got less of a platform. That's all he needs. He just needs a platform. At the season ends today, obviously, it's Jared McCain. If he continues to, like, have a lesser role as they get healthy, I could see somebody catching him, whether it be Castle, Connect, maybe eat if he gets healthy or researche but in terms of from what we've seen so far

really not much to say it's clearly jeremy kane yeah i agree yeah the class was underwhelming yeah it was underwhelming coming into the draft a lot of the rookies haven't played well so everything that everybody said about this class it's kind of true like they're just is just not an an outstanding class of rookies yeah yeah i mean let's be want to do a more interesting one That one's clear as day. It's Jared McCain. We've talked about him at length as of late. Let's talk about Coach of the year.

Coach of the year is an interesting race right now because there's a ton of candidates who are very, very, very deserving. The number one candidate for me right now so far is Jamal Mosley, having your top player in Alb and Carol go down and having to rebuild and restructure your offense a bit around Franz Wagner,

who hasn't had this type of opportunity since he was 19, 20 years old. It's pretty fucking phenomenal. surviving off of Goga Badate who look, it's in the internet. I was the only person in the entire world in 2019 glazing Goga Badatsi. I thought I wanted him on my Hawk so bad. I was so down bad for this man.

And now seeing him finally, she finally flourishing to this level. Now again, he's averaging 10 points whoever, but this motherfucker's impactful, bro. He's so impactful. He's good. Jamal Mosey on my vote. That's a good pick. Obviously, Kenny Atkinson is a big pick considering he like fixed the Kaz, made them a top two seed. To me,

though, I'm looking out down south. This is I'm Aedoka's award to lose I think right now. To be the two seed in the west is incredibly difficult. To be the two seed in the west with no all stars and strictly defensive talent and being able to make them a competent enough offense around

Sangoon, around Jalen Green with even with these inconsistencies, but have them be just an utterly dominant defensive team that's already hard enough to win with but to be this dominant, this young, and this really just system oriented. They're not winning with crazy talent, especially offensively.

It is really, really good lineups, really, really good defensive coaching, good depletion of your talent. Like, I know we've obviously criticized in the past for why isn't Tarisan starting over Jabari Smith yet, all these reasons. That's because he made the coaching decision to say, our starters are going to defend well because of the other guys we have around Jabari and his, you know, contribution to that. But he knows it's a motherfucking superpower to have the best defensive tandem in the fucking league coming off the bench in a men and tarry, that's a coaching decision that has made them

win their bench minutes by so much because of that. That's the type of stuff to me that wins the award. Yeah, I think it's for me, my top two are email and Kenny and I'm going email as well just because I, a lot of times I coach the year, it kind of goes to, you know, people who we didn't have high expectations of and then they, you know, surpass it. And so for the Rockets, yeah, like I thought that they were going to be good. I thought that they were going to be better. but they missed the play in last year. I thought that they were probably going to be around like an eight or nine seat, maybe even 10 seed this year.

And like I said, they're top two in the conference. And if you thought, like, if I told you, okay, the Rockets are going to be a top two seed in the West, you probably would have thought

Reed Shepard is going to come in and give this team the shooting boost that they needed. Or, oh, wow, everything that Jalen Green did from March to the end of the year, that stretch was real and he has now elevated to a spot where he can be a go to score for this team.

Neither of those two things have happened, right? The offensive puns that you thought you were going to get from those two guards are not there. And it doesn't matter. They've gotten so much better in the West. So yeah, I'm giving me the nod this year. Or you would have thought that Alprane Sangun made a real star leap and was really carrying this team.

And some of the chat just said Sangun is a star just saying, if Sangun makes All-Star, it's because the Rockets are good and they have to give them one. Sangun's numbers are down across the board. He's averaging 18.8 points down from 21. His 2 point percentage is down to 49%, which isn't very good for somebody his play style, and his 3.0% and it's 25%. He's been like, cool.

He's doing his role. Just some cold shooting streaks. He's not been bad, but he hasn't been dominant to the extent that you think that like, oh, this is why they made a leap because this guy became a superstar. It's not that. It is a team-based accomplishment

and a coaching-based accomplishment. Yeah, I 100% agree, bro. If this team was to have an MVP, I will tell you it's email. Doca. If you're going to ask me who is the best player of this team, I'm going to say it's ima yu doka. It won't even make no, it don't even make no damn sense. Who is the rookie of the year of this team? It's email you doca, bro. He has everything for this because he is like the brain and the trust. Now, of course, like having a man and Tori Isson, Jabari

Smith, all that is like great. But like the plan behind it and how he's executing these guys and making them so cohesive with their defensive plan on a night-to-night basis of the doubles, hard hedges and shit like that it's special stuff i can i love i love the i love the pick i think overall consensus he should be number one i just wanted to give my kudos to jemal moseley that's it yeah my honorable mention for me my kudos is going to tailu that's a great that's a great yeah tai lu 100 percent deserves to deserve to be in the conversation if you if you if you want to put him top three whatever go i wish my camera's on my cat is aggressively looking her back right now and it looks crazy he looks hilarious my god

Sounds graphic. Okay. No, she looks hilarious. She's looking so fast. It's her back. It doesn't look crazy. But like she's looking so fast. She looks insane.

She looks like a crackhead. Yeah, keep the camera off, buddy. Exactly. Don't, don't listen. We just found out her Gov man, blue. Listen, we don't need exposure like that, right? Yeah, we're good with that. Okay.

Next award. Who was your sixth man of the year at the season ended today? Ha ha. Go ahead. Go ahead. I know who I want to give it to, but it has to. It belongs to Peyton Pritchard. What?

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, that's fair. I want to give it to a man, but it's paying Pritchin. Like, Payton Pritchin, especially over, like, over the last, like, week or so, paying Pritcher's averaging, like, 24 points over, like, the last, like, four or five games. He is hooping.

he is he has become such a like integral part and it's so crazy because i've had to shift my mind so many times because pey and pritchie is a guy who was unplayable in playoff series and for him to come in now and be an actual you know contributor and not just be a special teams player who they just bring in for the last three seconds of every quarter like that's that's massive and for him to score the way that he is shoot shoot the way that he is he's he's rebounding pretty well you know even for a small car like he's the award is his to lose right now yeah a man has been the men are tar east and i think have been the most impactful rookies i mean uh bench players but we all know it's more it's a tandem it is true that too but we all know even besides that six man of the year is a bench

scoring award every year it goes to somebody on the bench who's averaging like 15 points per game right now peyton pritchers that 16.4 points per game after his recent surge he's shooting 43% from 3 on 8.6 attempts a game as a bench player that just has 6 man of the year written all over it he fits all the criteria

for voters like for this award I think his betting odds are like minus 250 and the next guy is like plus a thousand it's like it seems like it's written stone yeah he's he's minus 230 right now amend Thompson is second at plus 1200 I think

plus yeah plus 1100 so 1101 so yeah it's it's paying Pritcher by a long shot. Yeah, this is the fast. Coming in at a piping hot number three, though, potentially could be number two, might be number two

at the end of the season, depending on how healthy he says, is Deontre Hunter. A lot of people aren't realizing how disgusting he's been over the last like seven, eight games or whatever since he's been back healthy. But he's been averaging, like, you're talking about like paying pitcher putting up like 20 points

or 16 points. DeAndre Hunter's putting up 18 points coming off of the bench on six attempts. from the three-point line on 40% from 40% from 3-point line that's absolutely ridiculous he's transformed not transformed his game

but he's been like the idea of what Hawks fans really wanted him as a starter now for whatever reason I don't know if like Coach Quinn Snyder put a bad air in his back by putting this Frenchman in the starting line but over him him coming into a 6-7 year or whatever he probably feels some type of way

but he's fully embodied that he's been ultra-aggressive and if he continues this level of play there's no way in hell he'll doesn't finish at least number two on this ballot. That's not the name I thought you were going to say, though. It's a good shooting season. His shots are going in.

Like, I hope it continues, but with someone like him, and it's like unforeseen, stringy shooting, I take, it takes me a second before I get too excited, like, to go to 42% from three on that volume. I'm like, let me see it a little bit longer, but it is very impressive and very helpful for them. I love the idea of him coming off of the bench and just doing up all the backup wings and them just looking so lost and led astray because he's bigger and just stronger than most of these guys coming off the bench and like if this is what it takes for the hawks to like

found find out like all these advantages and carve out certain things to make them better in certain teams fuck it let's do it bro and even killing he's at 72% right now at the rim because exactly what you just said just smaller wings that can't check them and some people that's just like the perfect role for some people that's often it's often overlooked why some people are career six men because they're just really good at beating up on weaker defenders but it doesn't always translate to being checked by the lead wing on a team so good for him if you found that role for himself yeah also listen while we're doing six men we got a shout out ty Jerome we got to oh yeah shout at ty Jerome we have to give tight Jerome some of the best contract of the league

absolutely bro I agree he's like runner up he's like number two so far on my white boy of the year list easily who's number one Dolphin connect No, number one's Payton Pritchard for sure. Oh, okay, get the fuck out of here. You're lucky Delta Connect starts now so I would have some agendas to push. You got a fucking crowbar

and you're back ready to beat me up if I don't have him on the list. All right, man. Who is the most improved player if the season ends today? Right now the betting odds are Franz Wagner leading now, surprisingly.

And I think that's because the Mello Balls injury that he's kind of falling down because people were expecting to miss, you know, games and maybe not make 65. But not counter for that. Is Lamella Ball most improved? Is Franz Wagner? Is Jalen Johnson?

Is Dyson Daniels? Who are you going with? It's not Dyson Daniels. He's been super inconsistent offensively and timid. So I think... Who cares? Who cares? Listen, Dyson Daniels, he's going to be on a lot of my ballots this year.

Because what we do for most improved, the way that six-man is just bench scoring, right we do most most improved is just who has up their up their points the most dyson daniels has doubled the amount of steals that he has averaged in in previous years he went from 1.4 steals per game to over three steals a game and if that does not mean something if that does not account for anything like dyson daniels should be on on on on the list for some people and it is listen he just got some more opportunity that's what happens to a lot of these guys Like, he should be on some people's balance.

For me, though, it's Frommel. Lamella was 23 to 31 points per game. I don't know. Adjacently, like, whoever tends to win. J. Harding usage. Whoever tends to win the MIP award also happens to get your first all-star appearance. Yep. So traditionally, it's probably going to be Franz.

But to me, personally, I think I'll aim toward, like, a lower-tier player like, I don't know, like a Jalen Johnson or some sort, because there's, depending on how the good the Hawks end up being, if they can sneak into the fifth seat or whatever, there's a real possibility where we see him as an all-star as well. Jaylon Johnson's been killing in the past few weeks. He had that if he start where he clearly was really getting adjusted to the new second star type of usage he had. He was really asked to be a playmaker.

He was struggling with those reads. You could tell he was trying to think about a lot of things at once and his brain was having a hard time keeping up with his body. And, you know, the scoring was, the scoring suffered for that because of the focus on playmaking. The scoring's been great lately. He's really feeling more comfortable, as you'd expect now that he has about 20 games under his belt with that. Now he's at 20 points, five and a half assists and ten rebounds for the season. That looks like a most improved ass that line to me.

That's good. Yeah, I love it. Something that's, like, weird about him, though, is like he was not this good last season. Well, he was pretty on par as last season. He just didn't have as much opportunity because we had Desonte Murray. but on top of that too it really mucked up things for him was the injuries he sustained yeah and that his that's like took a hit alongside as well as he went from averaging 16 points and in terms of this like this most improved pair of the year game that donovan was looting to

and like when it comes to how many points you can score compared to last season it's going to suffer a little bit but in tradition of the ward i might lean towards him over jalen johnson i mean i might lean towards jenlon johnson over franz wagner yeah can i interest anybody in Norman Powell votes Go home You can win in ballot I respect it

I mean he's going fucking crazy I understand a lot of people want that to be the spirit of the award right

this guy who like gets an opportunity and runs with it and is playing out of his mind good for him I think he'd be very deserving of it

that wouldn't make me mad but I think Franz has become a like not super star and not be dramatic but he's a star and not a bear star

he's a star I would my only my only thing for Norman is if you have Lamello one, like the argument for Lamello is like, oh, yeah, he's going from 23 to 31 and you can just say, oh, yeah, like he has a lot more usage. But like you said, he's taking his opportunity and he's running with it. Same thing with Norman Powell.

Norman Powell is, he jumped like nine points. He average, I mean, you can say that for everyone, though. You can say that for everyone. I'm just, I'm just saying if more, if Lamello is your pick, Norm Powell should also be very, very high on. I mean, let's talk about, let's talk about, let's talk about. the elephant in the room. Let's talk with the elephant in the room.

Mo, what pet are you going to have next episode? We have the cat and the dog cornered. What are you coming with on your lap? Man, oh man. Honestly, there's a few things on my ballot. And I want the crayon eaters in the chat to go ahead and let me know

what I should cop for my... Everyone's spamming rat. They're all spamming rat. They want you to get back your roots. Okay. Rat, okay. A rat, potentially could be in the running. let's say let's let's let's be a little bit more classy more demure how about like a gerbil or something like a gerbil it's cute what the fuck do you mean that child was last time you seen a gerbil that's a class pet that's a class pet yeah they're cute that's what you get a six year old because they're the most like low maintenance pet and you can't touch them you can't fuck them up like they just exist is that they're cute bro yeah they're cute now something i will not get as a fish even though it'll be cool to have like a fish tank behind me maybe i'll do that actually someone's thinking of me The mod DQ Senai said get a mongoose

What the fuck? The mongoose is crazy Get a hedgehog That's nuts If I get genuinely if I get an animal I would get a kitten too And I would name him

LeBron Do you fucking Glazer Keep his legacy alive I swear to God I would I was really hoping We got a boy cat I'm Anthony Davis I really wanted to go with that

It was going to be so funny It's tragic but that is all the awards we have for today and i believe that is the end of the stream if you guys are still here comment what pet you want mo to get i want to see all the recommendations in the vod all the recommendations in the spotify comments let us know maybe maybe mo listen maybe he'll maybe he'll reason with you guys i count on y'all man i'm counting on y'all and then maybe it'll be revealed sometime next year all right man we'll see y'all next week stay tuned for episode should be a very fun one we're going to talk about every team again now you guys

love it when we do that it's gonna be a little negative though but it'll be fun we'll see on next week we'll head out with penny waving goodbye