The Deep 3 Podcast - Picking Every NBA Team's GOAT Player (Pt. 2) | Ep. 55

Episode Date: September 22, 2023

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So last week, we started off our series of naming every single NBA team's greatest player of all time. Last week, we did all the Western Conference teams. Today, continuing part two with all the Eastern Conference teams. This should be a good one. I think last week, there were more Western Conference teams in the trenches. I was going through the list. I don't think, I think there's a lot of, like, Loki, like, very historic teams in the East. So I don't, I don't think that this is going to be like this many just like trash goats like they were last week. Yeah, they're not going to be in the trenches. we were talking about the clippers and timberwolves and shit

there's no clippers there's no temple wills there's no fucking Memphis really used as Ebo you were the only one who brought up Zibo is like the goat like we weren't thinking that we were but also is this the earliest in the pod that we've ever slandered the clippers

yes it's really pretty high Donovan congratulations I think that's fantastic that's awesome I saw a comment yesterday where someone was like y'all my favorite podcast I love listening to y'all while I hoop but it's getting harder and harder to me to listen to the natural clipper slander that comes from y'all as a clippers.

I got bad news for you, buddy. We did it again. Tell them, this is not a clipper-friendly podcast. That's not what we do. He was like, oh, he was like, the natural clippers hate makes me want to go listen it through the wire and let's keep it a buck. I was like, good for you, man.

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That's fair Yeah man let's jump straight into it Let's give the greatest player In team history For every single Eastern Conference team And I think we should just start right away Let's talk about the Celtics Let's do as the greatest Celtics player

Of all time this doesn't have to be that long we can just go ahead and go Larry Bird thank you yeah is it that we talked about us before I don't know why is someone conscious that it's Larry Bird and not Bill Russell like what makes it easily Larry Bird for y'all I think for me personally when I think about I'm thinking about it as if I'm a GM and what type of player I can easily build my franchise around and then also on the other side of things I look at I look at what he's on the court and the versatility in his game of course bill russell was fantastic for his era he was the staple of the defense and all that great stuff and it was

playing through a treacherous time and just human history but if i'm looking at you as a hooper bro i'm taking larry bird okay i kind of feel that and as you were saying i want to switch my pick to bill let's go and it really has nothing to do with anything that you said but i think that like if we're if we're talking about like a specific reason like a specific team the fact that bill russell was a player and a coach at the same time for this organization when the most rings for the listen a majority of the celtics rings came because of bill russell and everything that they were doing so i think like there's a couple people that whenever you start like ranking and putting into list there's some people were like you know we do the respect thing

but there's a lot of people where it's like it's for real like hey we're just going to get you give you your respect we already know that you're on this list we're not really going to talk about you like that bill russell's one of those people i think that he's so far gone into like goat status celtics legend that we kind of forget to bring him back into these conversations so i'll go bill russell let's go yeah i feel like obviously we all rank larry bird higher all time usually typically larry birds around like number five all time but russell you know falls into like the seven to nine range or whatever and that's cool when you're talking about the rest of the league and the best players of all time

across the league. But I think it's different when you're talking about just the team and what makes their franchise's greatest player. We're talking about the last week of Kobe and why you guys ended up voting me and we went with him for the greatest Laker of all time because there's something to the fact of longevity, what you mean to the team, what you do for the franchise, that, you know, that can kind of make up for the fact that somebody else might be a better player than you overall. And I think when you are the guy who obviously 11 championships or 11 championships, but you made the Celtics, the dynasty they are. The 80s run doesn't happen unless the 60s run happens. And that was obviously built by Red Hourback

and everybody. But on the back of Bill Russell, they don't become this powerhouse team that can carry the momentum for decades if it wasn't for Bill Russell. Obviously, everything did for the NBA is outstanding too. But for this team specifically, that's the house that Bill Russell built. Yeah, I can agree with that. I'm so happy you guys at it. I'm not mad at it. Listen, I will go ahead and be on Bill's side 10 out of 10 times. And I'm also happy that you guys added in to this conversation, the influence factor and just overall, you know what I'm saying? Using that the house that he built, that hits heavy, bro.

There's not all the players who have that type of pull and went ahead and built an organization brick by brick. And as a player, of course, he did that as a coach. That's very important too. I'm not really factoring that into it because we're talking about the greatest player. is not the greatest people or person or you like that. So I agree with it overall. I will happily be outvoted.

Let's go. Just wade you guys both to the dark side. Next up. What do you mean by that? Come on now. That's not all right. What do you mean by that? Shut up.

You realize who we are right? We're going to have to beat these allegations for the rest of the pod. Understand. Y'all need to understand. And listen, in nearly every, like, fantasy league, Isaac goes to, Isaac has a very specific type of player that he likes to go for. You know, first guy in, last guy out, Jim Rat, he's good on the board, that type of player. That's subconscious right there.

I'm being slattery because I have Luca Donutsch on my fantasy team. We're going to monitor the situation. That was crazy. I'm going to do not. Five minutes saying why the white man isn't the greatest and now I'm getting allegations. That's crazy I'm going to post a black square on IG Yeah

Facts Next up You can gloss over this one The Chicago Bulls are next on my list Obviously is Mike Who would be second if it wasn't Mike That's where it's interesting Because I don't got a lot of options

Would you say Scotty pimping? I guess you'd have to right Yeah yeah we kind of have to go scotty just gotta go mike sidekick is the second best he was really fucking good bro yeah great

I don't know it's just like they just they have an absence of top end talent outside of that dynasty run like you go artist Gilmore the one and a half years of Derek Rose and like DeMarter Rosen probably creeps up this list pretty quickly

I put Jokkeen Noah before I put Jokkeem Noah on the list before that hell no Jokin Noah is easily top five greatest sugar i was joking about damar is damar a top ten bull of all time top ten no no no listen list them probably to be honest good at the davar de rosa okay this is a nasty list the entire the entire 96 bull squad no you can only get so far we're not putting steve curve of demar de rosa like it's just different

tiers okay but you can go you can go jordan pippin grant rodman Gilmore that's five Keeam okay that's sure okay we're gonna throw Jimmy Buller in there no Jimmy Buller didn't do anything he left super early because they didn't want to pay him well at his peak prime over there he did he had like one all-star season with the Bulls Demar Rosen's had what two or three now two or three didn't also I think tomorrow tomorrow actually tomorrow's probably only an all-star with them one time let me see yeah I think you was an all-star one time let me make it clear I'm not saying tomorrow Rosen should be a top 10 player in Bulls history.

I'm just laughing that's the conversation because the Bulls are so devoid of talent outside of that Jordan run. Well, listen, that playoff run that Rajan Rondo had, listen, that could maybe... Oh, my God, and let's not do that. Okay, DeVar's been there for two years, and he has two All-Stars, averaging 28 points and 25 points when you round up. Two all sides. I think...

Was he all going to be in the first year? How many playoff wins? I ain't going to be zero, maybe one. The guy gentleman swept the first year? Listen, is he Ben Gordon? Oh my God I ain't go I ain't go why

He's not higher than Lou Aldang He's just not With the depression That De Mardi Rose Was able to uplift the bulls And every single Bulls fan known to What do you mean uplift? They still suck Bro

When Lonzo Ball was there Actually playing basketball All the Bulls were out of hell For like two months Basketball Exactly that that that hits bro Compared to what they went through it hits the bulls are the 1c for three weeks that's that's that's might as well be a

championship the way listen yeah we all talk listen obviously everybody the morning MVP stop stop listen obviously everybody like wants salonzo to come back they talk about those two months there's like listen man like we were there who knows like we could we really could have been one of the you know five best teams of all time it's like guys like we're like stop we might have went back to back if we had lonzo obviously jordan's one pippins two my robin can't be three

robin was only there for three of the rings and he's just Dennis rodman who is artist Gilmore three just just Dennis rodman's a funny phrase like yeah you know but he's just not like he's a third player on the team he's not like typically you need more of a load we'll go get more of a load we'll go get more three okay

how about that next team who is the greatest platoon yeah i can't talk today who is the greatest player in indiana pacer's history. That should be Reggie Miller. Yeah. No doubt, right? Yeah. I think so. There's no competition really for them, is there? Not really. No, I don't, I don't think so. I mean, Reggie played his entire career. Yeah, yeah, they'll longevity alone. Like, it's hard to pass it. Yeah. Yeah. You could argue that Paul George was a better player, but, but, but, but Paul George's might be the better player at their peak, but he wasn't there long enough, didn't get them as far. Well, he made

conference finals run. So I guess nearly as much playoff success. But it just the longevity is so night and day different that maybe if Paul George is still there today you could argue that because he'd have equal longevity almost. But Reggie just did too much in that uniform. Yeah, I think Reggie was, it's hard because

like I think Reggie, you know what I'm saying, while he was there, the impact is just outlast. It's supersedes everything that Paul George has done. But when you talk about things outside of basketball, which is my favorite part of the game, the influence that Paul George had was crazy and of course so it was

Reggie, Reggie's Don't play this game You know exactly what influence And you hear all these young kids talk about Paul George Yeah exactly bro Did Paul George have I'm being 100% for real Listen you have not been on TikTok

You haven't been on Twitter You got fucking number two overall picks Saying Paul George is the greatest player of all time Everyone talks about Paul George's bag So smooth compares him to Kyrie and all that stuff I saw a tweet about this. Yeah.

I saw a tweet about it. They were explaining it where somebody said that Paul George is basically the big wing with guard skills that people talk about KD as being. Exactly. And I think that makes sense because, you know, people don't be influenced by LeBron or, I mean, I'll just focus on LeBron. People aren't influenced by him because he's a genetic freak that has athleticism they can never capture. You can't replicate LeBron's game. Katie's is almost the same way. The only people that are influenced by Katie are seven footers who can dribble.

Like, you know what I mean? Like, outside of that, the average kid isn't like, oh, I got to play like KD. But a kid coming up that's a small forward and wants to have a little of a guard bag. They probably grew up influenced by Paul George. Other generation that was T-Mack, it's probably him now as the big guard prototype. Yeah, with the way Paul George kind of came out of nowhere being a late lottery pick for Indiana. That too. And then just blossoming onto the scene, you know, showing up in the don't contest, having that type of run looking LeBron James in the fucking eyes.

And absolutely decimating Chris Anderson back in what, 2013 or 14, I believe. I don't remember one of those two. And that entire run built up a lot of respectability. And he looks like the next one up until he snapped his leg in half and stuff. And then him coming back, you know what I'm saying? Just as good as even better as a player adds a lot too. But Reggie Miller is Reggie Miller. And I'm not arguing against that whatsoever.

But Paul George's influence and all that Shouldn't go swept under the rug Yeah, Paul George can be number two, I think I'm distraught I got a PG-13 Indiana jersey bro You mess with the wrong one I will die for this conversation Yeah

Donovan's been a PG slanderer for many years And I get it, he's had a lot of shortcomings And he had a lot of moments for a few years Where he made himself very hateable But I think over the years since then Since like the bubble moment where like The PG slander like plateaus since then I think a lot of people have come to appreciate his career and like once the

Twitter slander isn't in our heads quite as much listen if you are getting slandered make a fire podcast right if you're an NBA player just get a fire podcast everybody would like you right make a very very good Nike shoe and get a good podcast you can get your cloud back up you know that's the thing that being likable matters like that's it yeah you're right you're right though but like part of the reason PG was slanted so much is people perceived him as not being as likable as other stars. Like if Devin Booker came out here and failed in the bubble too, people walking around, people don't like Devin Booker anymore either. People are sowering on him. But, you know, Curry could have that moment and people will get over it because he's Curry and people

like him. Paul George was perceived as not being particularly likable. Whether there would be for whatever reason if it was about or not, now he's more likable. So now he's going to get a pass more. That's kind of how it goes. One of the darkest moments for him was when he was, of course, Indiana days weren't great when you're getting constantly paused, pounded by LeBron's names and the Cavaliers. But I saw it Come on now And I said it

I know But the most unlikable One of the more unlikable things And moments is when Damian Liller Fucking Gameed series gained his ass And Paul Dor just had the Guts to say

That was a bad shot And he still stands Yeah For it towards his day So That put a big part It was that And then

And he People proceeded as him Making excuses out for the bubble Because he was talking How hard it was Which I think that was a little unfair because people were like discounting the mental aspect of being in the

bubble and how harder was for players but i think you're right that compounded with the bubble kind of let people to be like this guy's whack yeah hitting the side of the backboard him him calling yourself playoff p and then ends up having the absolute shitter hitting the side of the backward brand just embarrassing yourself i'll never forget these moments people call him playoff Playoff P-E, bro. Yeah. And then getting worked by Joe Ingalls. Yeah.

Listen, he recovered from that reputationally and now we all fuck with him. Yeah, exactly. Carmelo Anthony's son was just on TikTok calling him the goat, bro. Calling him one of the five best players of all time. He's young. He don't know nothing. I've always liked Paul George. Yeah.

But all right. Next team, who is the greatest player in Atlanta Hawks history? Dominique Wilkins. He was a magnificent player, truly elite. I think a lot of people don't realize how good he was because he was just in the same conference as magic. I said magic, my bad, Larry Bird, and he would constantly get destroyed by them because, you know, his team wasn't as up to par. And also, he was still growing and learning as a player too. And when he was able to go ahead and put things together, you know, he just had, he just had, he just,

had a lot of shortcomings but it really wasn't his fault but the type of player he is he's fucking electric he tore his ACL came back all that but that was he's just a fantastic player yeah Achilles my bad there we go yeah fantastic 10 times when that was like impossible where people thought that was a death sentence like your career was over and he's like the first star player to recover from that yeah exactly bro and his archetypal player and what he was able to do consistently consistently I think his career averages force prime with the Atlanta Hawks or his entire tension my bad may have been like 26 and 7 or 27 and 7 something outrageous like that so genuinely a generational player just in an unfortunate unfortunate situation surrounding around

unfortunate type players and people yeah it's just one of those players that his talent never quite matched success-wise just because teams were never equipped that well and it was you know pre-player movement day so once you're with your team you're usually with that team unless they decide to trade you and it was just one of those things who never broke his way he never had that team that's quite competitive enough. Another player who's probably in this mix for being objective is Bob Pettit. He's kind of like, though.

He's kind of like, but Russell in the way that like, he was like the dominant player of his era back then. But he's not but Russell. So we all kind of just like, yeah, it doesn't matter. We all just forget. I will say him and be old. Go ahead.

I don't really care. Yeah, I'm not. I'm definitely not leaning that way. He was the first true superstar of the NBA. That's, that's true. But I just, I think with, with Atlanta and I think a lot of times like what you'll see with some of these franchises like the when the main guy is just like above the rim superstar they are

also like as flashy like Dominique's his nickname is literally the human highlight film and so like that that that resonates with a lot of people and so I think being being that flashy and the fact that he was going toe to toe with Bird it I'll I'll give Dominique. Why not? And I think we can only do so much with respecting past decades. Like we go back to the 60s, respect Bill Russell because he was so absurdly dominant. I can get with it.

Someone drafted in 1954. Actually, I don't even think they had a draft then. Somebody who started playing in 1954, it's a bit much for me. Yeah. And for Dominie Bokens, he's literally an Atlanta boy. He went to school at UGA University of Jordan and stuff like that. And he literally wanted to only be an Atlanta hawk. And so he means influentialize a lot to the city, too, because he's homegrown.

Okay. Yeah, we'll defer to you. You have a better pulse on the city than we would, obviously, being from there. But all right. Let's be on to that. What is so funny about that? Wait, why are people laughing? I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

I had sent y'all a meme earlier today about Atlanta, and I'm thinking about it right now. Atlanta's quite the place. I don't want to even get into that. Hell cats, next thing you have. Chargers and all that. Let's do it. Who is the greatest player in Brooklyn Nets history?

We got to go Jason Kidd if we're doing the whole franchise. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, well, Mo, before you get into it, Mo, who are you thinking since you're so surprised by that? Well, I was, mostly I was thinking about Julia Serum. Oh, yeah, yeah, you're tripping, Don. Well, no, well, no, because that franchise, that franchise, like, the New Jersey stuff, wasn't he in, in Philly for a majority of his NBA career, though? I'm tripping, too.

Donna, Mo said Julius Irvin, and for some reason my brain thought we were talking about the 76ers. You're right. You're just right. No, it's Jason Kidd. I don't know why Mo just, like, reverse psychology to me into thinking you were wrong. Well, I was just curious. Yeah. But continue, my bad.

Yeah, so this whole, this whole like Brooklyn Nets, New Jersey Nets, it's going to be Jason Kidd. Like, their most success that they had came with him running the point, running, running this offense. They get to back-to-back finals. That is true. Listen, Jason Kidd, the Hall of Famer is one of the best passes of all time, one of the best point guards of all time. I think it's fairly easy because I don't think that, yeah, nobody's really had that amount of success in that jersey. So, Kate, yes and not. the only people that could have some people like to say brick

Lopez he's up there because he did longevity there and kid wasn't there that long comparatively shout out brook maybe he's top three if you want to go like Vince Carter than him but he's not surpassing Jason kidd just a whole other tier of player Katie could have did it but he left too early if he would have stayed around for another few years maybe he could have pushed him but I think this is probably one of the easier ones it has to be kid for sure I agree I agree

yeah listen this franchise really is not that exciting and I think that their move to Brooklyn was one of the most exciting things that's ever happened to them outside of the final so they they need to catch up okay well we talk about Julius Irvin and the mix up I just had with that name makes me think we're talking about the 76ers so yeah let's talk about the 76ers who is the greatest 76ers player of all time for me I'm going Alan Iverson I think he's okay I think he's the best sixer of all time I think when you talk about like mb it has the MVP right now it doesn't mean the same as alan iverson's MVP to to that city i think i don't i don't think it is we've already had this discussion in terms

of like is it like a mickey mouse MVP and you know stuff like that but when they but when they talk about like the way that philly fans are and somebody who matches the energy of what the city of philadelphia is alan iverson is that and And for him to take them to the finals, I know that they've won a finals prior to that. And so if you want to say, Dr. Jay, by all means, go ahead. But I'm going Alan Iverson. See, it's hard. I think your point about, your point about the Allen Iverson MVP meaning more for the city than Embed, I think that's a more impressive MVP for sure.

But when I think meaning more for the city, I don't know about that because Joel represents so much of the last era of 70-6thers basketball and the pain they went through with the process. So I feel like his MVP was probably a really crowning jewel moment to like validate this era. So I don't know if it means. I disagree only because I think for them the only way that they can get like their crowning moment isn't going to come with Joel winning MVP. I think it's going to come with them

getting to a conference finals at least or getting to an NBA finals because this entire thing was we're going to tear it down, get the player. And we've known for the past. two, three years that, you know, with or without the MVP, that Joel Embed is that good. The issue for them is, why do we tear it all down to get this player and we're not going to even get to a conference finals? Like once they get, once they reach that level of team success, then we can say, okay,

the process quote unquote worked. And you can even say that technically it works now, but for AI to do that at six feet, you know, and do everything that he did. Yeah, with his place. Running with Pepe Sanchez and that's very important. Yeah, exactly. And the crown jewel moment cannot be just to get your ass bounced out of the second round.

Like the crowning jewel, like you said, Donovan is to have the actual jewel that really matters. And that's the whole entire reason to, you know, saying put your entire team through that pain. So, yeah, I kind of want to lean Alan Iverson. Julius Sturman is a whole other conversation, but I'm just comparing to Joan Bede right now. But when it comes to why I might say AI in totality is because I'm thinking about the influence that he had, not only to Philly fans, but he's influenced the entire NBA world into just

all inner city kids growing up and shit, like the tattoos, him going ahead and getting braids, the shooting sleeves, and all that is like he had, he's one of the five most influential basketball players or one of the most 10 at least influential basketball players ever he's the reason why someone like jane wade wears number three and he made a lot of things cool and the fashion that he did it the swagger that he that he did it on the charisma all that the whole nine just does it bro he has this little white kid bro from the suburbs he probably lives in a beautiful four bedroom house with his mom and dad going ahead and making their 70 he has no struggle why is he putting tattoos on his body like that bro because of allan iverson tattoo is a struggle now

all that's cool I agree I would go Alan Iverson over Joel and Bede but we're bearing a lead here it's obviously Julius Irving like it has to be that's another thing I don't think it's obvious no it's quite obvious I mean just even if just for the fact that he won the 83 championship over the Showtime Lakers like that alone that chip I know we like to congratulate Alan Iverson from making it to the finals and losing Julius Evin made it in won so like in a day that could be the deciding factor alone but also what you're talking influence and how Julius Irving had a lot of influence too

though he had so much fucking influence Crazy influence He was the Alan Iverson of his time Like he was the flashy guy that He had to look with the afro The style of play with the high flying cradle dunks And the way that People talk about how Jordan

Kind of made the league be built around Guards in a way Julius Irvin was the first player I think that you built a championship team Around a wing People kind of forget that But that was also a very influential thing to help move people away

from the big man-centric thinking. I think Jordan was kind of the nail in the coffin that we knew that we can build around perimeter players but Julie's urban started that thought process I think. But is that more influence on the league or just for like the Sixers organization

because if we're like if we're talking about like a greatest player it's of all time and you want to bring that up. Yeah, yeah. I think it I think that holds more weight in that conversation than this one. And I think if we're just, I think if we're just coming into this franchise

like AI, AI and being like listen the the city of Philadelphia identifies himself with a fake movie character Rocky like that like that the idea that some underdog fighter is going to be here and like Alan Iverson is that like he is on the Mount Rushmore Philadelphia sports I think that he embodies everything that they see themselves as that's why I'm going with Alan Iverson I don't I don't disagree though that the Julian serving like is better yeah but That's the thing. It's just also just like a talent gap. Like he's just so much better for a player. Like four time MVP, five time all ABA,

seven time all NBA, six time all-star. Then he has the chip. Like at a certain point, just the guy that's way better and was way better when he was on the team. I think has to get it. That's true. But at the same time, like way better. Like it comes out of that too. You got the much chip. That is very true. But the vice. I guess I'm the, yeah, I guess I'm the deciding factor. And you know where I'm leaning.

going with Alan Iverson, bro. Sorry, Isaac. You're outvoted with this one. This is a ridiculous. This is like sacrilegious. Listen, listen, last, when we were doing the Western Conference, I was picking guys because of some of the successes that they had. So I'm, I'll go, Dr. Jay. You flip-flopping. What the hell? I have to. I, listen, I'm going to be consistent. It has to be Julius. I'm going to be consistent. I am mad at it. I am at it because it's, it's toe and toe and neck and neck for me, man. Yeah. All right.

Next team we're going to talk about less exciting. We're taking a step down. Damn. Probably the least exciting on the list, but we've got to get it over with. Who is the greatest Charlotte Hornet of all time? Boo! All right. We're talking, we talking Courtney Lee,

Al Jefferson, Egghead Henderson. Yes, sir. Oh, man. No, it's probably Kimball Walker. And, yeah, that's about all I have to say on this franchise. Shout out to Kemba. So are we going Kimballako over Alonzo Morning? Yeah.

I mean, he, Alonzo morning is this franchise, right? It's, yeah, he's Charlotte. It gets so confusing. Alonzo, okay, I guess, never mind. Oh, Alonzo only played there for three years. Why did I think he was there for longer? Because that's like, that's like the only stretch of success that they ever had.

And so you just see those highlights on repeat. And you're like, man, like they were, he was there for like 10 years. And it's like, hey, all these highlights came from two playoff games. Like, it's actually not a lot. He was in Miami for like 10 years. I thought he was a Charlotte predominant player in my head this whole time. Nah, it's crazy. That's crazy.

Yeah, I guess it's got to be Kemper. I don't even know who else would come into the question. Yeah, it's definitely. Larry Johnson. Oh, he was Larry Johnson's other two. Yeah, Larry Johnson was fucking nasty. He was Zion Williamson before he's on Williamson. Games are so similar and easily comparable.

This dude was a fucking maniac and. hell of market wool and all that. And I guess you could say he meant a lot to the city. But I mean, he had a very short-lived career. I have no idea. I don't know who needs anything to Charlotte. So the only thing I know is, uh, North Carolina really fucks a Cam Newton. Outside of that, I don't know.

Yeah, boy. Yep. Oh, man. Yeah. Big Cam Newton guy. Hell yeah. In 2015, Cam Noon. Good grief.

That's a moment. Let's talk about it. Different breed. But yeah, it's Kemper dude. Soon to be La Mello Ball if he doesn't leave. No, really, like the bar is not hiding. It's not how to clear. Yeah.

It's not how to clear. And here's the real reason why is because everybody before Kemper Walker and even people in Campbell Walker's era, Michael Jordan can come down and practice and smoke all of them, right? So he could have, Michael Jordan could have walked down for the owner's box and just play one-on-one. And every single one of those players would have gotten cooked. They're not doing. Garrell Wallace will be cooked against Michael Doran. He was getting destroyed.

Their stories, yeah. Their stories. All of them are trash. Oh, man. I love names dropping just the most random players. Relative trash. But yeah, like they're not, they're not all time status. Yeah, for sure.

You're right. They just have a lot of like low tier, borderline fringe all-star players. And that's like that. Oh, that's like the Al Jeffersons and then the Kimball Walker's of the world. I don't think, I mean, Donovan, I don't think he knew. that he was saying that again no i did i did okay i did no i did i thought that i was going to go on

hold on was that ironic i was going to go on but i was we can move on the hornets please not the most interesting theme please yeah back to a relevant one who is the greatest miami heat player of all time this is clear cut this is dwayne wade and that's the end of the conversation yeah yeah okay so i don't disagree but there's going to be a lot of people that are going to be like LeBron's the best player of all time. His best version was there. So can you explain why it can't be LeBron? LeBron was there.

And the way that you look at LeBron with Cleveland is the same way that people in Miami look at Dwayne Wade. Like that is a guy that they drafted and he was there for basically his entire career. He won, listen, he won them a championship in his third season. He's the all-time leader in basically every category that they have. probably except for like rebounds or whatever and maybe even that but like Dwayne Wade is he lived in Florida forever they named the named but like the the county is Dade County people call it Wade County everything Miami is so synonymous with doing with Dwayne Wade and even though

that LeBron was better I think everybody kind of feels like that period was just like a rental for LeBron and it was a stepping stone in LeBron's journey but absolutely but it's not like but he is not synonymous with with the heat and but dwayne wait is okay that's fair yeah i mean i i agree i think dwayne wait is similar to dirk with the mabs where like you said he is the miami heat and even if he didn't have the longevity there that o six championship alone is more impressive than anything lebron did with the heat which is hard is there's like a big thing to say because lebron was the greatest peak of all time with the miami heat one two rings, but he did it with

Wayne Wade, right? Like, that's what made it so easy for him, which I'm not say easy because they were impressive champions. They played good teams. But that 06 team, like I said, 25 years old with a washed up Sat, Shaq is the second best player who was still good, but he wasn't one of the

best players in the league by any means. He was the second best player in that team behind Wade, which should tell you something that you're already better than B plus Shaq when you're 25. That's ridiculous. That chip alone is more impressive than most people goat's resumes. Yeah.

Homegrown stars is hit entirely different because you feel like you grow up with them. You've seen this man in the trenches. You've seen this man at the highest,

the highs and the lowest lows and the middest of mids when they lost LeBron and D. Wade was average a cool 19, 20 points and they had fucking, what's that? They had the most random players

in the team just barely surviving before Chris Bosch went down with his tragic season ending, you know what I'm saying? Or career ending hearts or heart stuff. So for someone like D. Wade, like he's syllified right up there with the Tim Duncan's, the Dirk Nowitzkies and all that, the cobies of the world or he is, you know what I'm

saying, he face of that entire organization and there's pretty much nothing that can be done about that. He even does back end work, bro, till this day. He's the reason why Jimmy Buller is fucking there. Yeah, his influence continues. But I don't think people will realize just how fucking ridiculous it is to win a championship in your third year like imagine if two years ago wins not yeah that's a good comparison too

but imagine two years ago when Luca Donchage pushed the push the Mavericks to the Western Conference finals and played Curry they got destroyed and the Warriors went on to winning championship but imagine if Luca had won the championship that year with not a super team around him a decent team but nothing to ride home about

granted there's a Shaquille O'Neal there in the other side that makes it a little bit different but just imagine the timeline Luca was on two years ago blossoming into a superstar has really come into his own but there's still questions about is he on the level of the other top guys you got to see him do it first

and then he just does it his first chance to make a run that's crazy you just don't see that shit anymore bro you don't see that shit anymore that's not anymore that's never been normal it's ridiculous yeah has everybody else has done that

that's led a team championship in their first four years I'll say Magic Johnson but of course that's Magic Johnson Yeah, well, he had Kareem. It's a little different. Larry? Larry did it? Okay.

Yeah, okay, Larry's the other one. That's fucking great company. That's what I'm saying. If you are one of the five best players of all time and Dwayne Wade, you are leading your team. And that, listen, that sounds like a shot, but it is what is. But like you are leading your team to a championship as soon as, as you think. Yeah, when did he win his in Milwaukee. Maybe a little early.

Yeah, maybe him too. also 22 years old in the kindergarten league which I think maybe was older too yeah but yeah it's kareem bird and like even lebron didn't do it lebron got there year or four but he lost he got swept that's a big difference yeah yeah exactly man shot man i was going to throw patrick mccall into this conversation to troll but it's too serious no NBA player has ever won three straight like in the fashion that he has bro back to back with the warriors then with the raptors generational talent listen taylin horton tucker won a championship on his rookie contract That's all I'm going to say

All right Next team Next team we got Who is the greatest player In the Washington Wizards history It's kind of gross This is a tough one I don't know

I was going to like West Unsell Yeah I was going to say West Uncelled is probably actually Goat there I know Elvin Hayes has a good resume from back in the day Earl Monroe

Manor Man after that like this is a franchise of stinkers yeah this is not a very decorated franchise oh man I guess okay Wes unsells the answer he was I believe the youngest MVP ever am I right by that

he might have been before Derek yeah yeah he won the MVP in 1969 which was his first year in the league he was 22 years old that's what it is he won as a rookie that's that's great okay yeah he got it you got it

Yeah, MVP is a rookie Which is so funny looking back Because he averaged 13 points And 18 rebounds Just a very insane stat line That's like Can't relate to head It's 1960

Yeah It's 1966 Yeah, it's 1969 Where they had a million possessions So 18 rebounds Is ridiculous to think about today Yeah, who Who were the runner-ups

Because 13 and 18 What an MVP stat line? However, I'm getting bored of this Just like God No for a like They don't They don't have that

success like that And even as much as we love John Wall, they never made it to a conference finals. Yeah. And yeah, and he's just John Wall in the day. He's not like, listen, I don't even know John Wall ranks higher than Donovan Mitchell all time. I mean, one of the greatest, one of the greatest things of John Wall, John Wall's career is being the second best player in the Eastern Conference for a certain point in time. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. John Wall or Donovan Mitchell? John Wall had five all-star seasons in a row. his best season was 23 points in 10 assists where are we taking that or last year's Donovan Mitchell who you taking

quick yes your don't know come on chop go ahead and give me John Wall though Donald and Missing don't know gang signs Donald McHenner is not

him the fucking ducky during the dunk contest bro he ain't doing that shit what a debate but yeah I guess it's got to be West Unteld it's another one of those

yeah respect the goats I have never I have never seen what sounds up play my damn life bro 13 points in 18 rebounds those stats are disgusting god yeah never seen play at that point

let's go shout out to him next team who is the greatest player in Cavs history another one with the Bulls obviously is LeBron who's number two though do people want to say Erving or oh no no no not Kyrie my bad no no Kyrie's not there he's some more top five no it's probably like um Mark Bryce not uh Brad Brad Daugtery yeah oh is he over Larry Nance I thought I'm pretty sure he was like that am I getting them mixed up yeah you

might be again I think Larry Nance was the guy during those day Larry Nance is a three-time all-star three-time all-defensive was look at he has the weirdest resume what's he made he made the all-star team his fourth the year in 1985. His next one wasn't until 1989, and his next one wasn't until 1993. Every four years, Larry Nance was an All-Star. That hell was going on. Well, no.

So Brad played his whole career in Cleveland. He's a five-time All-Star. Yeah, you're right. Made an all-MBA team, made an all-rooky. 19 and 10 for his career? Pretty solid. Yeah, he might be number two. Another one that seems with not a lot going for them.

side of the greatest player listen also first overall pick from the cabs so yeah it's probably brad damn kairi might be third more like kari or mike price larry's on a bad third man kairies on a bad third yeah he's wasn't there that long that is where does mo williams come in the house gross how many all-stars do the calves have in team history that's a good question can't be a ton and if that's the case how However many LeBron has will add 15 to that number. 15 is a lot. The Cavs aren't the most interesting team on this list.

But hey, they got LeBron, so they have one of the best goats, probably the best goat, obviously. Next team, interesting debate. We know the answer, but it might soon change in the coming years. Maybe, probably not. Who is the greatest player in Milwaukee Buck's history? Kareem Abdul-Jabar probably I actually think it's Janus Oh you think it's Janus already

Wow I actually do think it's Janice already Okay so the easy answer is obviously Karim They're best player of all time One in their championship early in his career But the debate I love how you say it's so definitively Donovan talk your shit

No I'm saying I'm going to passing it off to him Because the answer has always been Karim Abdul-Jabar He's obviously one of the greatest players of all time But now Yonis is going to be there just as long He's going to pass him up in longevity and he also has the chip he brought to the city so now it becomes a debate

so why do you think Yonis already passed him up? I think that with Kareem Kareem is looked at as a Laker and I think I do and I think that he has the stamp from Los Angeles and not to say that like that he like doesn't have

you know the bucks in him but for Yannis to be drafted there and for that you know we're talking about these homegrown stars who are doing all these things and for the bucks to see the progression of Janus throughout his entire career to go from somebody who absolutely nobody knew to a back-to-back league MVP and he wins, you know, he wins finals MVP.

He brings them the chip after 50, you know, plus years and does all these things. He's probably going to lead the franchise and all these categories moving forward. I think that Janus is just more synonymous with Milwaukee and Kareem. He's very important, but it's also another thing where Kareem is so great that when you talk about him, it's more in all-time status. And he did spend a majority of his career and get a majority of his rings with the Lakers.

And so Yon is six years, the bucks. That's what I'm saying. Yonis is doing everything here in Milwaukee with them. So that's what I'm giving him to not. Yeah, the thing about Kareem is like he was, I think it was generally just the greater talent. He was able to do just as much or more than Yonis and such as shorter. of time yonis has been with the bucks 10 years compared to what you said isa kareem six years and yonis i mean kareem has like 14 k some points yonis i think he has

15 or 16 or something like that um they yonis has been a defensive player the year two-time MVP i think mip and all that winning a championship for the first time in 50 years carries a lot of fucking weight and the fact that no you know what i'm saying you're right you are you are right but But snapping the drought is different After 50 years of pain And everyone's like oh my gosh Like we're never going to get it done You're the one to bring them back

I think that's That helps Yeah Yeah and Giannis is at seven all-star seasons there First one he wasn't one of the best players in the league yet So really he's at six years As one of the best players in the league From 2018 through now

Which is the exact same amount as Karim Two MvPs Do Karim have two or three with the bucks MVP's I can't remember I don't remember exactly how many came with the bucks but he was in multiple time MVP with the bucks too we'll have a ring

that makes me think that right now since all things are pretty much people with the bucks with the bucks yeah I kind of want to lean towards a better player which at this point is Kareem his peak is 30 year average 35 points for game in the 70s that's kind of crazy so maybe in like five years

once Yonis maybe wins another MVP maybe another ring we'll see and he has like 12 years of being a star there then i think i'll go yonnes but right now with everything equal i kind of want to lean the better player no i disagree i i just yeah i disagree i just think that i think that seeing the the progression and the narrative and the journey that you go on with the player means a lot for a franchise it means a lot for its fans and so So again, this is very heavily narrative base, the case that I'm making for Yonis. But seeing him go from from what he was into into what he is now and the chip that he won came with Chris Middleton and Drew Holiday as the second best player. It's not like he had an Oscar Robertson next to him.

True. And he scored 50 in a game six. Yeah, that was nuts, man. Like the close-out stuff that he had all of the moments in that finals that's like that's going to play on the highlight reel for that franchise forever. Like I honestly don't know which one is more impressive. Janus being a bad free throw shooter and going like 16 of 17 from the free throw line or that game for a block because both of those were just insane to think about.

Yeah, that was definitely one of the stronger individual performances in the finals over the last couple decades. Off of a hyper extended knee. That's so crazy, bro. Come on. Yeah, that's so crazy, bro. He came back so fast and just as effective as a player. So, yeah, I think that when it comes to it, I don't know.

I want to lean. I want to lean Kareem, but with Janus narrative, going back to the narrative-based thing, Janus has so much shit documented in so many stories. Dude came into the country, tried smoothies. It was the greatest thing of all time. You know what I'm saying? Like, bro, like, like, God bless us. there seeing like seeing this

skinny dude from yeah bro seeing this skinny dude from greece that's how we decide be raising these yeah smoothies that's how we do it over here welcome to dd3 so kareem kareem never went through a drive-thru like yannis

the day he was born it's different levels like he was born into this movie life yeah i think at the end of the at the end of these two players career I think it also just matters who will be what will they be remembered more as and I know Kareem

Morrisovir towards the Lakers and Janice is Mr. Buck he's Mr. Milwaukee unless he fucking leaves and out of the shit We give Kareem, we knock him for being more of a Laker but when we talk about the Lakers we don't even consider him even though he's the best player that's ever been there

and for that, oh I guess you can say LeBron but for a extended period of time we don't even consider him as a Laker for some reason He's such an interesting player to talk about bro He's such a little player Why isn't he by Laker than Kobe? That's not true. He just never gets brought up in those conversations because he's not magic and he's not Kobe when it comes to like being

a Laker but like why not if he's not if he's not a buck and he is a Laker why can he beat them as a Laker because he's not them as a Laker you see what I'm saying because they draft they drafted magic they drafted Kobe they didn't draft Kareem so like while we still love you we don't love you like that right we didn't see you grow up like that you again you already had a ring in three MVPs whenever you came to us so magic is first year in the league he got he got us a ring. Kobe, we saw Kobe's evolution. So it's just,

it's a different type of love that they have for them. Okay. If drafting them is a difference, I guess I get it. Yeah, bro. All right. We move on to the next team. We have four of them left.

And I wish I close out on a stronger note because three of the next four are not interesting. Who is the greatest player in Orlando Magic history? I'm putting my vote in for Dwight Howard. Hmm. Okay. Okay. So the obvious answer people will go to with Shaq.

Yeah. Why do you go Dwight Howard over Shaq? First off, Mo, what do you think? I was leading more towards Shaq, first and foremost, but these two, Dwight did go ahead and lead them to a finals run and all that, and he was the best player in like one of the best systems at that point in time and history. So did Shaq, though. Yeah, you're right.

You absolutely right about that. but I think Shaq's run over there was like OD short it was OD short and so yeah it was very short yeah so I'm like I don't know how much you can really claim that Dwight was there for eight years

Shaq was there for four years so twice long they both made one finals Dwight had three defense player of the years there did I don't think Shaq never won an MVP there

his only MVP came with the Lakers two times score champ which one of them came there so one scoring champ versus three defense player of the years both made a finals run twice as many years for Dwight but shack four years he was clearly the better player so how do you weigh that Dwight constantly gets disrespect that as a player too bro and is this like I think he honestly probably deserves it probably is Dwight he's he's he top 75 all time he's not right is he what he's not top 75 all time right he should have been but it's because they yeah grandfathered in some

of the old farts who were there in the first list. Realistically, Dwight definitely is. Let's go ahead and give Dwight his respect. I'm leaning towards Dwight. He doubled it. I don't understand why. Like, I don't think that is that close in this sense. He doubled him up in years.

And three-time D.P.O. There's like three guys in the history of the league that's ever done that. And Dwight is one of them. And if we're being real petty, listen, I know everybody lost in the finals. At least Dwight got a game. Shack got swept. If we're being If you laugh

I lost a little bit better All right whatever Either way You need the team's at a fucking chance I don't even care I lost a little bit better But I see your point If it comes down to the twice as long

I can understand it I just hesitate a little bit Because the peak of Shaq in Orlando Is just so much better of a player Like it's night and day He's way fucking better Than the best version Dwight ever was So that makes it like

I think that matters in the day Like we do a lot of resume stuff yeah okay who the best player absolutely matters you can't say it doesn't matter not when one was there for literally twice as long and has and has accomplishments that that the other one never had like as great and as great and as dominant as shack was three three dpa wise mean something for that for that city and for that franchise yeah yeah i'm good i'm cool with it the i can't argue with just longevity four years is not a long amount of time there's other players that we talked about that weren't there very long with their teams.

Like, we didn't give Barclay the sons because he wasn't there very long. So it's similar. I can understand that. Shout out Dwight Howard. Dwight Howard gets his respect finally. It pains me to do it. I'm always the one arguing against him

just because I feel like he gets catapulted into certain conversations. But all right. Next team, who is the greatest piston of all time? Isaiah Thomas. It's my guy, Isaiah Thomas. Go ahead.

We've already discussed. Go ahead and dance on it, Donovan. We've already been a guy when Isaiah Thomas fan under 40 years old in the country. He's like that. And y'all just don't understand. And again, the only person, the only player to beat Magic and Larry and Jordan, it's him. Like, he is at the center of all of it. And I think for him to also be like the face of, you know, this bad boy's, you know, this bad boy.

Piston era and obviously like Lambier is the one who everybody says is dirty and Sally and Aguirre and they were nice and Joe Dumars is like the silent killer. Everybody knows that everything that the Pistons did in that entire era started and stopped with Isaiah Thomas and he is he was there his entire career. He is fantastic. He still is an ambassador for for the Pistons and he's always, you know, wrecking for Detroit. They, he's just,

he's not replaceable for that, for that franchise. And he's just, he's amazing. Okay. I like that. I respect it. I mean,

I don't even know there's a close second when it comes to this team. I, yeah, who would be second? Is it Ben Wallace? Sure. I don't know.

I'm just saying them. There's probably like Joe Dumars or something. And in that case, I know you're talking about the guy who's second fiddle. Like, this is probably the most clear coat one besides like, Jordan and LeBron. It's obviously Isaiah

like you said they've had one era of, well let me say they have two great eras, two championship teams, one era that was like truly one of the greatest dynasties of all time well, not I'm not saying dynasty's too generous but one of the best championship runs of their time and he's the guy that let it like it's pretty fucking simple.

Yeah. I agree, you're right. Shout out of Isaiah. All right, next one. Who is the greatest raptor of all time? I can go ahead and just start this off. It's 110% Kyle Lowry.

He wasn't homegrown necessarily because he wasn't drafted there. But even within that, I still say he's homegrown because he grew up and turned into the Kyle Lowry that we all know. You went ahead and got his ass bounced consistently by LeBron and the Cavs on a fucking seasonally basis. No matter how good they were in the regular season, they're consistently just getting whooped. But within that, they go ahead, make a change besides Uri trades for Kawhi Leonard. And they make that, they finally go get over the hump and Kyle Lerry did his absolute thing. And he played, he had a whole lot of out of body experiences. He became an all-star there.

You know what I'm saying? So I think, you know, even though I generally don't think he's the most talented player in Raptors history, and I'm fucking leaning towards maybe DeMardo's and Kawhi Leonard. But as the staple Someone who helped build that house I'm gonna lean towards Kyle Larry Others may say Vince Carter He deserves to be a part of that conversation

Even though a lot of Toronto His fans have like A sour taste in their mouth Pause about him He doesn't I mean he left in the most dramatic fashion I think it was great We sit on like

We took KD at the conversation Because he left in dramatic fashion Vince Carter left on shitty terms too And he's nowhere near the caliber player Like I don't know how you could possibly Put Vince Carter in the conversation He deserves to be in the I think

Yeah, I think Vince is on the short list of greatest rafters of all time. Yeah. Sure. But when you compare him to like, like Mo said, someone like Kyle Lowry who embodies a team and was through thick and thin, emphasizing the thick, he was always there. He very much was like the identity of that team for a decade. And then a guy who left unceremoniously, like it's, how could you possibly not go to the guy who is the most love for his greatest?

Okay. Okay, I'm also going Kyle Lowry because, and I really, I wanted so badly to make, to make the argument for Vince Carter. The problem is he only made the playoffs twice while he was there. And so it's like that success wasn't there. I try to make it for Chris Bosch. Again, only two playoff appearances while he was there. And Lowry just had, Lowry was a part of teams that had success with the Raptors. the revisionist history on Kyle Lowry is insane it is absolutely ridiculous what we have done

with Kyle Lowry and to act like Kyle Lowry we're going to argue let's go let's go let's go Kyle Lowry until Kauai came in and showed everybody in that city how to actually be a winner Kyle Lowry was one of the biggest chokers that that franchise ever had it was him and it was him and demar de rosen and whether or listen they were never going to like win a championship or beat lebron but the way that they the way that they just kept losing even the people like brooklyn paul pierce that they were losing to and people like that they were out here stinking it up in the biggest moments and cow lorry had three very very solid seasons from from 2019 afterwards and everybody just kind of forgot that for years he was choking in the playoffs and they

could not count on him. And he was like, he was a good player, but he was never like, amazing. Obviously. Obviously. But the thing is, you say, if it wasn't until Kauai came and they won a chip, well, too bad we live in reality and they fucking won the chip. And he was on the team and he was a driving part of the team.

And they only trade for Kauai if they feel like they have a team that can be competitive around him. And the reason they felt that way is because they had Kyle Lurie. And they were willing to get rid of DeMarr because they knew that Lurie was a real important player on the team and that pairing him with Kauai would give him that ceiling. Obviously, he's not as good as a star of someone like, like Hawaii Leonard or even Vince Carter, but that's not the point. That's not what makes him great. It was like everything Mo said, which was what he did for the team and that he was the guy that really gave him their identity as a team.

And then was there when they won the chip. If he was the one that got traded into Rosen was the one that won, then maybe he'd be that guy, but that's not what happened. You know, Kyle Lauer was on that team. They realized. They realized. And it wasn't like, oh, we have like a solid team. they realized, hey, we have two chokers as our best players. One of them has to go.

And we need to get somebody in here who can make a shot when there's 10 seconds or less on the clock. And the whole league thinks that Demar DeRosen is better than Kyle Lowry. So we can get more for Demar de Rosen. Let's go get, let's go get Kawhi Leonard. And we'll keep the other choker because guess what? The ball's not going to be in his hands. I think that for Kyle Lowry, he, He has solidified his, um, his like Raptor erinous or whatever in the years after Kauai.

I think those years have done more for him and his Raptor legacy than anything he did before, even winning a championship with him because I think that that is very singularly Kauai Leonard and Fred Van Vleet and the player that he turned into after he had his child, right? Those two things were crazy. But Kyle Lari, like, we don't have to. act like Kyle Lively was this amazing player this entire time. It's, I mean, it's more

than, it's, you're looking at it it's black and white when it's a, this is a beautiful ass portrait that we're looking at. I'm not saying this, I'm not saying this is black and white. I just gave him the nod as the greatest rapper of all time. I think it's more indicative of the fact that they don't really have anybody to, to be as their goat. And if Kyle Lowry is the greatest player in your franchise's history, then like,

that speaks volumes. No, it disagrees though. You act like we're saying that like, it's an impressive goat. It's not. No, I just had to get this off. I just had to get this off. I felt this way for a long time. You and I have had conversations where I've heard people talk about Kyle Lowry making

the Hall of Fame and it blows my mind. It really, really does make me upset. And so this was my chance to get my Kyle Lowry stuff off. So that's the only reason why I feel. He's just like, he's the goal. I just had to say it. Everybody agrees. Yeah, I mean, I ain't going to back for Kyle Lauer and doing that.

Bro, come on. How many shit's on Kyle Lurie? Why would they? Who the hell is a Kyle Lurie saying, bro? Who are you trying to go? Who are you looking for to have this argument with, Donovan? I don't know someone in his comments is teed off with you and they're going to send you a nasty DM after this podcast.

Listen, listen, if there's one thing. I don't know when it is. Listen, I don't know. I don't know exactly when it happened. And this is what I figured stuff out. This is really when I figured out like how the world works, right? because Kyle Lowry

Listen Somebody goes online They go on Instagram And you see somebody Thinking you're just like Oh my God They're great And if people look at

Kyle Lowry They feel the same way And it's just like Yo For some reason Everybody's just like Yo Kyle Lowry is the best He's thinking

And all this I This man let a couple Standing Count to get to his head bro He said he figured out life after this, bro. Oh my god.

Did you notice Carl Lari's ass and figured it out? I figured it out. If you are thick, if you are thick, people will listen to you and people will like you if you're thick. That's all you have to do. And that's what I figured out about Kyle Lari because there's no reason why we should be looking at this five-time All-Star and thinking like, oh my God, he belongs in the Hall of Fame. Yo, people just like to make fun of him and like to just be like, oh, wow, like that's crazy.

You say Carl Lurie has sex appeal, so people like him? Listen, I don't know what people are on. I don't know what people are on. But that's what I figured out. That's why I figured out. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Wow.

Listen. That was quite the take. Kyle Lowry might be in the Hall of Fame tomorrow if you put him on a Sports Illustrated cover. Like, what the hell is going on? Whoa. Well, do you remember that Isaiah Thomas? And I think Dee Wade did it too. Whole cheeks was out in that magazine.

body issue. Yes. I made me so uncomfortable. The world would end of Kyle. He did one of those. Man, let's move on. We talk about Paul George and his likeability.

This is the same thing with Kyle Lowry. Bro, he's literally takes a lot of charges. Like, what can you not like about the man? That's lame whenever he does it. He took a charge in an all-star game. That's Kyle Larry. That right there is the epitome of what rat. That's right-that's culture.

He built that, bro. That's lame. You shouldn't even be on the floor. It's an all-star game You're taking a charge like you're some white boy at Duke What are you doing? Get off the floor This is for real hoopers, man

What we have to understand If you're still here If you're still here an hour into the podcast Comment Kyle Lowry is thick I want to see it in the comments With two Cs With two Cs

Two Cs you said you want double Cs on that bitch Oh my God Say Carl Lowry is cheeked up Yeah On the Thursday afternoon We got one more team Enough of Kyle Lowry's thickness Who is the greatest

Nick of all time Oh man We did a video about this earlier And I said Patrick Ewing I kind of want to go walk Frasian out just because he has the chips So yeah I'm gonna go walk Frasier

Okay I don't care Yeah I'm not going to her bad with anything I don't it's fine Can we go to TikTok time? Yeah, I mean, Ewing and Frazier is just like, yeah, I guess the Chips decided. Like, he's true.

He's a star that was notable in his era, but never one of the best players alive. Like, if I'm trying to think of a comparison to today's league, I don't know, Paul George. I don't know. I don't even know. It's just such a weird, it's just such a weird conversation, especially because when we talk about like the all-time centers like there's like seven before you get to ewing and so there might be more okay here's something fun to do and talk about the next let's do it kareem shak hekeem wilt bill uh yokeach robinson yokech david robinson i feel we're forgetting

somebody no i'm mostly alone over him yeah yeah you can put moses over him I don't even think I had Ewing in my top 30 or maybe he was number 30. Yeah, he's one of the first cut. So he's either, so what? So I guess he's either like nine or ten. I, we're at eight so far, yeah. Okay. Like that's fine.

I just think that for these franchises, while Frasier also still calls Nick's games. Like he's very much a Nick for life. He has the two, he has the two chips. I'll give it to Walt. I'll give it to Walt. Yeah, I'm cool with that. he's honestly like last time i think i agree with you because i was like a better player i didn't really think about it was a ticot

we're going fast i think fraser might just be the better player too like for his time right like i it's hard because maybe ewing's a better player because like the eras are different better competition but in terms of they're standing in the league in the moment there's probably way more of an argument for walt is one of the best players in the league as more than there was for ewing like you never could have said that yeah i it's a it's a weird

just because like Walt played at like the tail end of that era where we're just like go ahead Yeah exactly I'm going to give them the respect on this one I do not care about Nick's history A lot of people are going to be like what about Melo You want to explain why Melo's not in the conversation

There just wasn't enough winning But like listen as a moment And if we're talking even like top five I think I do think that Carmelo has an argument to be one of like the top five makes one of one of that's very fair to say that's very fair to say that it's just for everything that nicks fans want and everything that people think that like the nicks should be and this should be this place where stars want want to come carmelo anthony was the first player in a long time maybe even ever who said i like at basically you know in their prime at the peak of their powers

i want to go to new york and he forced his way over there and so this idea that a star would leave a good situation to go and try to build something in new york he ingratiated himself with that entire fan base and so like i i will love carmelo anthony forever but he just didn't have great success i mean they had they had one i think one playoff series win that entire yeah so there's no fault to his own bro yeah exactly and that's not i mean he wasn't the greatest play i mean he was a great player but not the greatest player and i A lot of people have a lot of conversations about Carmen Anthony, but at the same time, influence was there, but he never had that on the court success was playing with guys

like Raymond Felton and Andre Abariani and Jose Calderon. It's like, let's be for a bro. There's nothing to be done, especially with the style of basketball, he was playing back then and who he had to go up against being to Chicago Bulls and Miami Heat and all those other teams. He just wasn't set up to win, but he didn't mean a lot in that era because I know like New York fans have been in the slums, bro.

Starved. Yeah, they're in the gutter for a while before having saved them a little bit. Yeah. All right, man. We all agree Walter, Walter Frazier, Clyde. I think I think it's tick.com. Is it?

TikTok.com? It might be. Okay. It is TikTok time. Let's do this. As always, we're going to start with the draft. You know, TD3 signature.

We're going to do this like always. And today we're going to draft players that wore number 23 on their jersey. We get the two best players of all time, and then a quick fall off. Let's do this, man. I'm interested to see what type of names you pull out the hat, because it's deep, bro. So this time the order is me first, Mo second, Donovan, third. Sorry to do it to you, Donovan.

You don't get one of the goats. You're not going to win. You're going to piss a lot of people off, Isaac. Todd of him and already lost it. Yeah, I would have lost. maybe you'll pull it out we'll see boss what the hell

check yourself that was wild so let's draft NBA lineups with only players who wore number 23 first pick as always I'm going

LeBron James but I'm putting him in my point guard okay nice interesting rock the construction I see yeah I gotta be you're trying to tell me

you're trying to tell me LeBron's a greatest player of all time yeah go ahead and give me Jordan naturally I'll be content should have picked Jason Richardson and you sleep on him man you act like he's trash

I don't have an opinion on Jason Richardson when we do these listen in that specific draft he was not one of the 15 best players that you could have taken so it's like right he was what he was the best fit God I guess

I suppose okay anyways when my first pick, give me Anthony Davis. Fuck, I was hoping you somehow fell to me next. No, no, no, no, no. He was never making it back. And then, at my three, give me Jimmy Butler. Yep. Solid start. You don't get one of the goats, but that's not bad.

You did great. You did great. Okay. Thank you. So at my four, go ahead and give me, actually, at my three, give me Alex English. Okay. Glad you didn't pick who I thought you were going to pick. At my five, give me Draymond Green. Yep. one there got the best passage of the one in the five possible and then

am I four give me Blake Griffin oh my god that's who I really really wanted that's what I wanted to go to bro fuck it's okay no I couldn't

I couldn't leave Alice in this on the board bro that would have been dumb nah I would have took him if you didn't take him it was a good pick yeah okay so that leaves me this is where it gets bleak this is where it gets bleak Okay

And that's all the all time grades Yeah Okay So I got MJ Ew So I got MJ And then I have Alex English

So I need a fucking Four and a five And a one bro At my one This sounds so nasty And weird to say He's gonna do it Yeah

Actually Screw that At my four Give me run our test No Yeah Yeah, you should have shut your mouth. You told me you said it that ignited a demon in me.

God, let's go. You deserve that. I'm hurt. I'm so hurt. I was, ah! No, I'm actually frustrated now.

Yeah. I don't know what to do. I'm in your head right now. All right. At my five, give me Marcus Camby. Gross. Grandma's locking up.

Easy. That's such a. he's not he's defeated he's really not and then i guess at my one mo i hate you i really do at my one give me Mitch richmond okay okay no playmaking at the one but shooter i like it jimmy can be a pseudo point i like it uh dude the big list here is so fucking gross it's so gross but i hate to say The talent is undeniable But give me Mitchell Robinson Oh my God

I hate to say it But I need him bro on my team I hate to say he's a good fit He's a great fit I don't need you to do shit But block shots Putting him in a torture rack Mental straight jacket

Oh man no My turn So I have Lebronthe one Then I'm a four and my five So I can finish up here don't do it okay at my three I need spacing

give me Lowry marking in okay he wears 23 right now or was that his he was 23 right now in the jazz wow we confirm that

I looked that up on a list of people the war 23 so let me make sure I'm not tripping and he actually does and he does ah nice pull

great yeah I got Lebron the two which who don't okay he's my three I need a two I was going to pick Rich Richmond if you didn't pick him

You know what Let me throw back to someone Mo took last week Give me Jason Richardson at the two And I ain't finesse lander you That's a great pick He was a highlight reel and also you had a ratchet on him Good pick

All right Oh man For spacing reasons Go ahead and give me Lou Williams My One man LeBron's post-lo up every play. It don't matter, bro. It don't matter, bro.

Your team cannot match up of mine. Your five is not graded in mine. And I got Jordan. I guess. All right. I might too for my last pick. Give me J.R. Smith.

Oh, my God. That's who you were saying, don't do it for? I needed shooting. J.R. Smith? All right. You could have gotten Kevin Martin. You could have Fred Van Ville. Yeah, you're in the toucher right now.

Oh, my gosh. Well, we're not, stop it. Stop. Okay, listen. We're not going to do a sit here, and every single time we're going to disrespect my last pick. Okay, J.R. Smith is a very solid NBA player who's contributed a lot to winning. They're all-stars on the board.

He's a good shooter, great vibes guy. I have Mitch Richman, Jimmy Bullock here. J.R. Smith is going to be fine. He's going to get a great vibes because he's, Off of the gas 90% of the time, bro. Like, I understand anybody who's ever played with J.R. Smith,

they love playing him. Team morale just got boosted by 15 because I made that pick. And you lost the game by 20. Congratulations. Listen, you drafted Lou Will and Mitchell Robinson. That 1-5 pick and roll is not doing anything for you. Listen,

Lou leading to the left. You ain't stopping that, boy. You think Lou Will over Fred Van Ville and Calvin Murphy. I need this. Look, I need Lou for the spacing. And after we'll up, all your team's ass, we're going to take them out for some wings. That's the game plan.

All right. So I got LeBron James, Jason Richardson, Lowry Markinen, Blake Griffin, Draymond, Tremont Green. That's the best five. Don't lie. That number one overall pick saved your ass. I like, I got Lou.

I just didn't pick Lou Williams. You had, you had Michael Jordan. What do you mean it saved him? You also had a chance. No, bro. He had, he had Blake. Blake your friend is a really saying that Blake and Draymond combo combo was deadly

You sold I couldn't have taken Blake because Alex English was a better pick Yeah all right go ahead what's your team Anyways Lou Will M.J Alex English run our test in Mitchell Robinson My team is actually great It would be great if you didn't have fucking

Lou Williams is your point guard notably not a point guard The greatest version of the greatest version Lou Williams is busting your ass bro also again not a point guard listen great pro-am team you got that all right my team Mitch Richmond J.R. Smith Jimmy Butler Anthony Davis

and Marcus Canby Listen my bad I didn't get one of the two best players of all time I was set up to fail and I think that I did a pretty good job considering the circumstances I think you might beat Moe honestly oh you're chirp not now you're chirping now you're chirping now you're chirping

that's not happening let's be real he has AD and Jimmy Butler who's your second best player Alex English what the hell are we disrespecting him like he's a bum oh my god

I've never went to bed for Alice English in my life bro shit and now I'm doing it what does life come to these days alright man next video we're gonna do we're gonna do a tearless

Like usual. This time we're going to put versions of Steph Curry into a tier list. We did this with LeBronick a month or two a month or two ago. It's a little bit different

with Curry because he doesn't have quite as many like notable eras but his progression as a player she's changed a lot over the years

so I think it should be interesting. For sure, bro. So let's put every version of Steph Curry into a tier list. Where are we starting? 2011 Curry. That's rookie

Curry? That's not rookie but it's pretty sophomore yeah sophomore your courage pre superstar jump he was still very good uh i don't think we can go actually no we'll go this is the worst version of curry depending on what else he brings up on this list uh i think he's probably what a d you know he he pre superstar jump he was great for his time you know what i'm saying but the warriors weren't on weren't on much they're still rebuilding as a team but he did let everyone know

like he may be cooking something in the future. Yeah, this is before he put it all together with Steve Kerr and realized he can be this off ball mover that like has insane gravity to make his teammates better. At this point, he was just a good shooter who could really attack people off the dribble and like was like, whoa, I've never seen anything like this. But he wasn't making everybody around him better yet. Yeah, exactly. Infrastructure wasn't set up.

The players were not there just yet. And this is just the prelude to what we wanted to see or saw later in his Alexis career. So we're going D? D. All right, B is cool. Next up, 2033 Curry,

current day. I'm going A tier because I think there's like we've seen Pete Curry and this isn't it but this version is still really, really good. Yeah, he hasn't taken a step back yet really

but it's like this past season wasn't one of his two or three best seasons but he's not washed by any means like probably still deserves A. Listen, he's still one of the three best players in the world. So yeah,

um, yeah, he's a. this was one of his this past season was one of his most ironically enough efficient seasons um but even like with that still being said i i can agree with you guys i don't think it was one of like i don't think it was p. curry so far next up 2015 curry first MVP for damn this came i don't know i see i don't want to say this i see think that this is b yeah that's worse than cur it's better So that was worse than current day, Curry? Yes.

I think current day, Steph Curry is better than he was in his first MVP. I think that first MVP, that team went 67 and 15. They were an amazing team. He was leading to the offense. Like, there was great. The numbers just still weren't there. And I, but also the defense wasn't there eight years ago, the same way that it is right now. I think he's more complete.

I think he's smarter. I think he's better. Better ISO score today, too. Yeah. And I think the only thing that we're doing is shaving. I think and only but it's like we're shaving like two two percentage points off of his three point shot and I will gladly take that if you're adding everything else

yeah his games are so much more churn out in every way like his skills have really polished over time and that wasn't even his best MVP season yeah exactly I think B is the perfect place for Curry yep next up 2016 MVP Curry S Isaac go go please tell the people why this is low-key one of the three best seasons the league has ever seen

low-key is like being like generous like this is maybe the best individual season we've ever seen and that wouldn't even be crazy to say 406 threes in a single season that's think about that think about that you have 82 games he's making like five threes a night where he was doing in 2016 the efficiency he wasn't playing fourth quarters because he was blowing everybody out

every week there was a game where he's dropping 30 in a quarter he was unstoppable in 2016 yeah man yeah he was 40 40 90 he was a scoring leader at 30 points for game while being 67 percent true shooting percentage which is as good as like any lebron jordan kareem all those most efficient scores of all time as good as them while being the guy who shoots the ball from the furthest away and has impact on his team with the way he moves off ball and on ball driving the best offense of all time like it's hard to quantify just how incredible an offensive player this was, anything less than S would be criminal.

Yeah, absolutely. I 110% agree with y'all, bro. He legitimately broke basketball and the entire NBA at that point was just trying to play catch-up and they're trying everything. They broke, yeah, him, Draymond and Clay, of course,

like these two played a very important part too. But with the way Curry had other teams scrambling and breaking down rosters and having the entire NBA switch how they play basketball just so they can guard this six three lightskin dude is insane and yeah we haven't seen that type of impact before peak lebron is the greatest player you've ever seen on the court maybe second greatest if your jordan guy whatever and yet people were still debating in 2016 if curry was the best player in the world it probably wasn't right but the fact that that was even a debate that was like seriously

had is ridiculous nobody else in this era has ever compared to lebron in a single year yeah bro we've never seen, well, me personally, I've never lived through an era where basketball philosophy is just straight up, like just changed and bent and people see a new way of life now because of this era and run that Steph Curry was the driver of. And so he, yeah, S tier, clear as day, bro. Yep. Next up, 2021 Steph Curry when he won the scoring title before the year they won a championship. I actually think this is also S-tier I do I think the fact that he was out there

with no clay and he was whooping with Damian Lee and Juan Tuscano Anderson Kelly and killing everybody I mean they were triple teaming him at half court he this this is one of those performances where it's like

it gets forgotten because they got knocked out in the playing game in the playing tournament Yeah, but he was as efficient like everything that everybody had had always wanted to see from Stefan like, okay, put the team on your back. They gave him the worst roster in the league and he did that. Yeah. Yeah. People were always like, why doesn't Steph Curry spam picking roles every play? And this year, he was like, fuck it, let me do it. And he just came out and won the scoring title in a year 13 of his career. Like, yeah, that's absurd. It was also, go ahead. I was going to say just real quick, something a lot of Warriors fans and NBA fans pick on is just how. really specifically Warriors fans, they would cry every single time about how much they want to see Steph Curry go on ball more because he's just really good at it. But because of the style of basketball, that Steve Kerr would rather defer to, Warriors fans in the entire NBA hasn't been able to do that. Just the other day, we saw a conversation on NBA Twitter about all, like, Steph Curry doesn't have a mid-range game. Kyrie is a mid-range game is better and all those other shit.

And that's just like, that conversation alone is the product of Steph Curry not being on ball as much, which he got the opportunity to do so back in 2021. And that just nailed in the coffin to all the doubt that anyone had. Yeah. And it was just, oh, and the fact that it was post-KD and that he proved that like, listen, I was overshadowed by this guy for a few years, but I'm still one of the best players in the NBA, haven't lost a step since I won the MVP six years ago. it just did so much for revitalizing the conversation that no, this is one of the best players in the NBA and he will continue to be in so we see

otherwise. Exactly. 302 years old man. So is this better than 2016 though? No, it's not. Okay, good. Make sure normal's crazy over here. No, listen, there's tears within the tier and 2016 stands alone. Okay. What do you think, Mo?

No, yeah, I agree. I agree. It's not 2016. It's great, but it's not 2016. Just want to see if we can catch in you lacking saying something crazy. You guys pass. You want to bully me. I'm burning up in here. Strip. Oh my God.

Okay, next thing we're going to do, I'm going to show you guys some classic funny NBA tweets and you guys are going to have to rank them based on how funny they are. Okay, okay. So this should be good. Let's rank these classic funny NBA tweets.

First up, we got somebody say Anthony Edwards isn't playing fair this year. Oh, man. They're just... This is crazy. This is just a horny tweet, man. You're just telling on yourself with this one, man.

He's got nothing to do basketball. This guy's just like, Anthony Edwards is hot. That's all he's saying. Yeah, say Anthony Edwards is hot. Yeah, he on one this year. Just because he got a little fresh cut, cut off his... He's done with the Afro phase.

And he got a little earring in there, too. Man. one through five we're ranking this one through five uh i'll go five oh i want to say five i go four i don't think it's like the best like it's not the funniest thing i've ever seen but it's very funny but there's there's another level of funny okay okay we can do four all right next one we have lebron talking about keep that same energy we're calling my team old just for them to not make the playoffs oh man this is listen this is five out of five anytime lebron tweets anything it is a five out of five funny, hilarious moment, because it's always going to come back around and be used as some

type of meme. You should have never tweeted this when your entire team should be in a retirement home. This is just hilarious to see six months later. Was this early into the Russell Westbrook era? Yes. This is in August. Oh my God, bro. Yeah, this, what do you rank this, Donovan? We're going to put this at number three. So this is funny here than Anthony Edwards one. Three is two. I think we should put this at five. I think we should put this at five. I think that the moment behind this is more important because they just literally lost and they were just, they just had a dog shit year, point blank period. So I won't put this at five. I'll go five. I'll go with you. Next up we got. Kevin said, Scarlett, saying Scarlett, Joe Hanson, I will drink your bath water. These are just random. He's just horny

NBA tweets Joe Duran's insane But this is This is 2011 Kevin Durant He was not in college He was in the NBA Almost peak of powers too What is wrong with this?

He could have any woman in the world That he wants And he's tweeting this about Scarlett This has to be top two, bro Yeah, I'll go to with you This is hilarious The hashtag random is so indicative of that era

This is funny I just imagine him tweeting this out With those fake ass glasses that people used to wear back in the day too Hashtag random He's like this is gonna hit Hopefully she sees this That's hilarious Alright next one

Terry Rozier Say Osama should have hoop Because he was tall as hell This is out of pocket This is number one though This has to be number one Yo. This is one of the funniest things I've ever seen.

Yo. Tweeting this. Like 6.5. Bro, tweeting this at 11.10 p.m. at night. Oh, God. He was just watching a documentary, bro. He was just watching, fresh off a documentary tweet. He was high.

Watch it. Whoa. Wait, what? He just chimed in and said, this is the night that Osama was killed by Siltim six. Whoa. This is, this might have to be. This is his first thought. Why isn't he getting buckets from Michigan State?

Stam, this is one, bro. This is one. Terry Zier is a funniest individual. He thought this, like, immediately after the news. He was what, oh, my goodness. He said, damn, he's six, five. He could, who would me? That's wasted an hour.

He could have been Jay Cole. Hall of Fame tweet. All right. That's number one. Last one we got number three. Eric Bledso, I don't want to be here. He's just crying at this point. I remember this moment.

The funniest way to request a trade. I think this slots into number three perfectly. Yeah. I'm with that. It's a very like on all the things that like happens on NBA Twitter, this is very somehow, this very average and just like, okay. like also it's eric blenzo requesting a trade go ahead do whatever you want like you're not you're not good enough to be sub-tweeting like this no the funniest thing is

he tried to lie and say he was talking about he didn't want to be at a salon anymore because his wife was there for too long god bro the worst lie ever said can yeah this was peak of power mini many muscles eric bletzo they know he called him minnie lebronn eric bletzo so yeah he had to pull in the power to say that back then but the context of it is just fucking hilarious bro because i don't think you've seen we may have not still not haven't seen a player just tweet how they want to go by their NBA career it's hilarious yeah that's hilarious all right that's the end of that one we got our ranking set one through five pretty funny next thing we got we're going to talk about all-time

NBA teams since we're talking about the best players of all time or this episode and i'm going to name two NBA teams and we got to decide which ones all-time starting five is better real simple You'll see them on screen This should be fun So which NBA all-time team is better Lakers versus Celtics This is this tough It's actually not tough

We have to go we have to go with the Lakers I know the amount of talent That the Lakers have had in their entire Franchises history Is absolutely just criminally insane It's unfair what they've done Their entire history Bro

From head to toe magic better than Bob Coozy Kobe better than Paul Pierce LeBron better than Larry Bird Anthony Davis is sadly not better than Kevin Garnett but he was still very good and it's it's not a complete wash between the two and cream of course he's better than Bill Russell bro so for almost if you want to be crazy and put Shaq at the four and just have him over Kevin Garnett it's a clean sweep from the Lakers yeah oh yeah you didn't even put shack in there I didn't realize that bro it's a clean sweep is not even this this is so sad because this is the Celtics, but

they don't match. Bob Cooz is getting right off the floor. He's not going to know what to do, bro. He'll go what's magic going to do, Donovan? How does he do it? Hee! Love that clip.

All right, next one. We got the thunder versus the heat. oh man I love this so much but it's probably going to be the Miami Heat am I crazy for that

I don't know again the Thunder have three MVP's on their team but the heat had the goat in Dwayne Wade that's kind of hard they got the best player ever in LeBron possibly the best player that the NBA has ever seen in LeBron in the Miami Heat jersey

D Wade is Dway is Wade, or Jimmy Bow is a fucking maniac. Chris Boss was a great piece. And then they got Tim Hardaway, Jr. But Westbrook is Westbrook, Senior, my bad. Tim Hardaway, senior, so this is tough. I'm going to go with Miami because there is no way that Russell Westbrook and James Hardin are both playing good enough defense to stop doing Wade and Tim Hardaway, Jr. Tim Hardaway Jr. is going to cross James Hardin to the floor.

Oh, I keep, yeah. That's my fault. Listen, it's been a long time But those two I say that like I watched them play Those two guys are putting Too much offensive pressure on Westbrook or Hardin They're going to dominate and also I'm not betting against LeBron

How the fuck is Sean Kemp going to guard LeBron They have no hope He's going to pray Yeah bro, he's going to try to get Sergei Blocker to go ahead And have some reinforce in the back But that shit's not going to work man You're done Listen, we damn your saw this matchup in real life

And this heat team is even better than they were in real life So it's going to be even less competitive than 2011 actually was Or the 2012 actually was Yeah, we got to go with Miami Yeah All right, next one We have the Knicks versus the Nets This is an interesting one

The Nets' location firepower I love the way this Nets team fits, bro It's a beautiful fit on the court Jason Kidd, James Harden, Vince Carter, Brooke Lopez, wait. I'm not going to laugh. That's my sweet. Sweep. This might not even be competitive.

I'm not going to lie. Okay. I don't know about sweep. Sweep is a bit much. It's not going to be necessarily a fantastic fun game to watch because the nets are, the nets are open to ass. Listen, if we're playing this game, if we are playing this game pre-2000, I think the Knicks have a, they have a, they have a. really, really good chance to win this game. Bernard King is having a stroke once James Harden hits him with a step back.

He's having a stroke. Every, listen, Bernard King, Mello, and even Patrick Ewing, post fades all day. And I don't know if anybody can stop it. If you're going to have Willis Reed running on the perimeter with Kevin Durant running off screens and transition, he's going to be gassed by the second quarter. He's going to go into cardiac arrest. Listen, they didn't do that. Why wouldn't the Nets just do that?

What do you mean? They didn't do that before 2000. That's what I said. Pre-2,000? Mm-mm. No, this Nets team would run them off of the floor. They'd have no answer for Kevin Durant. Yeah, bro.

No. Who's our wing stopper? Camelo Anthony? Woo. Cemetery. No way. I'm sure you do, Nix fan. You know the vibes.

You're in the Netson 4. All right, next one. Okay. Come on now. Next one we got the Bucks versus the Spurs. Oh, man, this is so hard. Janus and Kareem and Ray-O-A-Land. Yonis and Kareem together with spacing?

I don't know. Tim Duncan and David Robinson together? I mean. With Kauai, with Prime Kauai, too? Exactly. Tony Park always gets swept under the rug. I'm going to the spurs on this one. Yeah, head to toe, it might be the Spurs.

Head to, head to toe. I'm going to have to go with the Spurs because you can do nothing about Tim Duncan and Dave Robinson while I said that you can't do nothing about Yonison Kareem but Tony Parker and George Gervyn and Kauai Litter fucking moves me compared to Sidney Moncrief shout to Alskar Robinson for sure but I'm sorry but you just can't do no longer than Kareem versus Tim Duncan and David Robinson I don't even know who'd come on top of that that would just be a rock fight straight defense I need I need that in NBA jam like immediately dude the universe might just implode because this is just too much

of higher power like there's no clear answers to who would win that battle. You know, George Gervin and Kauai might be the deciding factor because they would cook Ray Allen and Sidney Moncrief. That's what I'm saying, bro. That's what I'm saying. Tony Parker's getting posted up every play by Oscar Robertson. So that's okay.

That's okay, bro. You can try to go ahead and post up. Do that all day if that's your best play. You're not going to beat them with Oscar Robinson running post hooks. I don't give a fuck. Listen, they're not going inside the, inside the pink is Tim Duncan and Dave Robinson's there that 17 foot old man just that's gonna be right there all day the only advantage Oscar Robinson Oscar Robertson might have is of course that size and also just put that fucking

fro into that man's eyes and you're good bro you're good put extra product and put extra product in your hair that day too and he ain't seeing or smelling shit and you're good bro yeah I'm going to spurs for sure next one the 76ers versus the sons Why is Kevin Durant on here? Because he's on there. He wants me to put the three. Huh? What do you want me to put the three?

Somebody who played more than 20 games for the suns. He's different. He's going to put Sean Marion on this list. Like, like, you're going to be better if I put Sean Marion. I'm going with the 76ers. Why?

They are, they're bigger. Listen, Amars Dottomar is going to have his hands full with Will Chamberlain. Yeah, that's honestly like the weakest point for me and that's where I'm like. My bad, we actually have to go with the sons. There is no shooting on Philadelphia. Oh, shit. Charles Barkley is the three?

Nah. Everybody. You want to talk about pre-2000s bully ball? Everybody's just going to be in a circle around the page. I think I have to go with Phoenix. It just makes more sense Yeah But that size is crazy though

Man Low key This 76ers team It's just a better version Of the 2001 Sixers Where it's like It's no shooting whatsoever Everybody else can handle the defense

You just let AI cook They're gonna have five guys standing in the Dunker spot Just watch Yeah We have to go 96 jazz game yeah the office to go with the sense yeah the type of offense that I that I could imagine them running well Charles Barkley versus Charles like I don't know why but I just registered in my head that there's that's funny but yeah no this team this team spacing is

insane bro they're open the ass it's definitely a very much like a how do I explain this is very much a battle of eras like do you want to go pace in space or just I'm big as shit and you're small I'll go exactly yeah sons okay

next one the calves versus the bulls let you know Irie Donovan Mitchell Lebron Larry Nance and Brad

sheesh um firepower I don't you got the 96 bulls with Derek Rose MVP

the Rose bro I I think you know what I'm taking the bulls just because I think I think Gilmore clears Brad I think Dennis Robin would have Larry Nance in a straight jacket So it's listen and also Donovan Mitchell Where's where's he scoring because he's either I have to be guarded by Michael Jordan Scottie Pippen or Dennis Rodman And he's he's he's locked up he's like I'll take Chicago Oh man I don't know which way to go. I don't know which way to go more though because like

Guarding. Bro. You're not official guarding Scotty Pippin? He's He's getting attached.

He's getting cooked. He's getting cooked. But the spacing for the bulls is so screwed. Is the battle layers? But Justin,

Jordan better chuck some threes. Scotty, you post up in the corner. Listen, they will win this match up 79 to 66 and I will take the bulls.

Yeah, it's hard for me to not pick Garrick Rose next to Michael Jordan. Oh my goodness That's courage to imagine The speed of those two guys flying up From fast breaks

And then Scotty Pippin is a playmaker In the running in it Like what do you even do? Yeah Nah man This is Yeah This is futuristic ball right here.

I'm taking the Bulls. Clean sleep for the Bulls. All right, man. That's the last one that does match us we got. That was dope. Next thing we got to get out of here. We're going to do something. So last week we talked about which player had the higher career earnings.

This time we're going to do which player has scored more points in their career. So this should be fun. Okay, okay. So this is you really going to quiz, y'all. Which NBA player has scored more points in their career? First off, James Hardin or Patrick Ewing? I ain't go lie.

Fowl March and Hardin plus three points you are Hardin, I'm going to lean that way 110%. Bro, he averaged 36 points per game for a season, I believe, right? So crazy. Yeah, I'm taking, I'm taking James Hardin. James Hardin's worst season, actually no, because Pat did have a lot of good season. But Pat had like one, like, amazing scoring season.

And that's basically just every year of James Hardin in Houston. So I'll take James. He had five of Patrick Ewing's best season. season. Hard and easy, bro. James Hardness, 24,693 points. Patrick Eumes at 24-815, 130 more. Then Orlando Magic Years got us. Damn. That's crazy. Yeah, underestimate the longevity. Yeah, that's an important factor.

Yep. Next up, Paul Pierce or Kevin Garnett? This is tough. Because they both played a while. Yeah, this is this is tough. I mean, but KG wasn't doing anything except yelling at crying at the town town's when he was in Minnesota. Yeah, over Paul Pierce is over here calling Paul Pearson over here calling you Jonathan Haslam. Yeah, facts. Paul Pearson's over here calling game against the Washington Wizards, bro or with the Washington Wizards. So he also averaged 14 points per game that year, I think. You know what? Give me. I'm a leading towards stuff.

Paul Pierce because I'm going to lean the I want to lean towards more of the perimeter player for this one. You know what? Nah, I'll go Kevin. I'll go Kevin Garnett. You played yourself. Paul Pierce has scored 300 and something. Wait.

Let me do the math in my head. You played yourself. Paul Pierce has scored 326 more points than him. Yeah. It says that Kimmergartenet scored more. Yeah, it does. That is Paul. That is Nikiel not typing the number right

Kevin Garnett has scored 26,071 Paul Pierce is 26,397 Ooh, okay yeah Okay, I see, I see Yeah, I should have just stuck with a perimeter player Yeah, 300 more The three-point shooting is what did it for me, man And plus the level of longevity too

All right, next one We got Mike Bibby or Bill Russell Oh, my God, bro. You're setting him up for failure. Mike Bibby? You know I have to go with Mike Bibby. You know I have to go with Mike Bibby. Damn, man.

I don't want to do this. I'm aside with the side of history. Give me Bill Russell. This is the most unexpected pair of names I've ever seen. I know. What in what light would they ever be in the same conversation ever, bro? within the same sentence ever This is the first time

In history You did something special right here Isaac His life he's ever been compared to Bill Russell Congratulations to you Mike Bibby You have scored 176 more points than Bill Russell In your career This is crazy

Criminal We need to retract some points from Mike BB's career bro Because this can't happen This is shameful in NBA history Alright next one We have Dwight Howard or Paul George See, I want to say Paul George easy But that boy snapped his leg

And he's had like a ton of injuries Yeah, I do But Dwight Howard has had injuries too though But Paul George had a couple years Where he was like creeping up You know like he was still learning the He wasn't that guy Yeah he wasn't that guy off rip

It took him like three four years to But you know what Dwight's been in the league for 17 years now I'll go Dwight Howard He's also been like not in the league For the past three years He's been pretty much irrelevant Yeah and Paul George is one of the

He got that work out with the Warriors We got to add just plus 10 Oh my God Paul George is a great three point shooter as well So this is hard as hell I might lean towards Dwight Howard But Dwight was never a score

like that so it's tough I know I'll go Dwight I'll go Dwight I'll go Dwight I don't feel good but I'll go Dwight yeah I want to go Dwight I don't feel good either he PG miss a lot of time you should feel great Dwight Howard scored 3,000 more points than Paul George damn it Paul I know the hell games out up I never had a game the season doesn't help I never I'm I'm right but I hate that I'm right I'm supposed to rip this man in this fucking podcast man shit here's the whole year in the past three years. He's paid like 40 games a season. Yeah, exactly. That's what did it, bro. That's what did it for him. Yep. Next one.

Kyrie Irving or Rudy gay. Damn it, Rudy. What? What? Why? Why are they even? What? No. To be honest with you, this is a trick question, Donovan, because Rudy Gay been a bucket. You notice. You said this is before in this podcast. But Rudy Gay has also missed time. He's been hurt a little bit. I'm going to take Harry Irving. I think this one,

I think, I think Isaac is trying to set us up with this one. I'm going to take Harry Irving. But Kyrie missed a lot of time too, bro, with the whole anti-vax thing.

And then, of course, he's had so many injuries before in the past. Rudy, you've really been consistent. He's still getting minutes. I think he's on the Hawks now

or something like that, bro. No, I'm taking Kyrie. I'm taking Kyrie. Give me Rudy. I'm going with Gay. Give me gay. Okay

Carrey Irving has 15,712 points Rudy Gay has cleared 17,000 in his career I knew it How can you forget about those Memphis days bro? You don't want over here Repping that up It was grit and grind They were scoring 82 points a game

And he scored 17 of them Consistently Slow and steady wins the race I guess Facts That last one Jamal Crawford or Scotty Pippin. Oh, this is so, I want to say this is easy because this man played until he was like 39 or something like that.

I'm going to Joe Crawford. Yeah, bro. He was like two times, three times six man of the year, bro. Got a lot of meaningless buckets. I'm going with Jamal for sure. All right. Final answers? Yeah, I'm going, I'm going to, Jamal Crawford.

I think that 50 point game he had at the end of his career. Oh, my God. But if he was ahead by like 20 That really pushed him over the edge Yeah Give me Jamal Crawford scored 19,419 Scotty Pippins below 19K Jamal Crawford wins

Damn bro That that three pointer hits bro Three point plays hits So does playing for a million seasons True Bored bucket Yeah man That's the end of the episode

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