The Deep 3 Podcast - Picking The Biggest Surprises Of The NBA Season | TD3 Live

Episode Date: March 26, 2024

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So everybody's coming in Shout out everybody here As you guys see About today's title We are going to talk about The biggest surprises Of the NBA season So it should be good

It's going to be a little bit longer Should in usual We got a full run of show For you guys today And you pulled up I don't know if you guys saw I put it out on Twitter We got this for us today

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We're going to do some blind rankings. We're going to play multiple games of blind rankings, get the blood flow in, talk about our biggest surprises of the season, talk about the performances of the week. And then we're going to, if you guys have seen that viral thing on Twitter this week, people have this like Google Doc thing that if you put in your information about the way you play, it gives you your NBA player comp. So we're doing for all three of us, find out who we all are in the league. At the end, we have a Q&A, which I'm going to pull from this thread on Twitter. So if you guys want to get your question answered in the stream, head here,

drop it in the replies. We've got 59 questions right now. We'll get to by as many as we can. Welcome to TD3 live. Tuning in at you every Monday night at 8 p.m. Here we go. Hey, y'all got it, though. So we got 248 of y'all in here right now. Shout out y'all.

We got 71 likes. So make the numbers add up to me in my head. They don't. Sorry to say, but the base is lacking right now, man. Tragic. Yeah, man. Okay, we'll go to the first news story. We'll get started.

First thing we're going to talk about today. Breaking news as of about 30 minutes ago, John T. Porter has been busted, or not to say busted, nothing's in stone yet. But he's currently being investigated for irregularities in his prop betting market, which, for those who haven't seen the story, it sounds like this motherfucker was fixing his betting lines,

whether he's been paid by the sportsbooks that he was working with, or maybe he was just like helping his friends out, maybe he's betting on himself whatever it may be it seems like he was getting a little nefarious with his play and purposely not scoring points when he won people to bet his unders and stuff like that which you know it's been a lot of criticism about the NBA getting so deeply into bed with sports gambling something like this was inevitable how are y'all feeling that exact same way of like this is like what did you think was going to happen and like

people obviously have been betting like i'm i'm sure even before the NBA like you know kind of ingratiated themselves with sports betting companies i'm sure NBA players have been betting on themselves or just or doing something like that like that's that's been going on i'm not going to act like it's not but the fact that it's so blatant right now and that you can have guys like jontay porter the fact that jontay porter um props are available at all like that's that's a story in itself but like we saw the story last week that the NBA is going to uh integrate live betting into league pass and so while you're watching games you can you can make live bets and just making it easier and easier for people to watch stuff it's a problem because now just

on the surface whether regardless of how you feel about betting or not it looks like people are fixing games and there's a very very distinct line between having fun and gambling and doing all that and the NBA is the new wwe and everything is literally scripted and that's what all this and you can't like once you cross that line and everybody thinks that everything's fake you can't it's going to be so hard to go back you know it's a problem how you feel mo this is hilarious bro i've me personally i've never been into gambling whatsoever i've always like had a holistic view about it just because i never want to get in my fields about basketball and specific players who i have money tied to me just is a very nasty still for me personally to see that

NBA players or the first NBA player got caught doing so in terms of, you know, doing nasty stuff on the court and selling himself or whatever. Selling himself? Yeah. That's exactly what he did, bro. There's a video out on Twitter where the one that just came out. He hit a three. Yeah.

Yeah, he hit a three and he was like, damn right afterwards. Like, he was pretty much open and he didn't want to shoot him. But at the end of the day, this is his job. He's a two-way player. He can't, like, what he's going to do at the end of day? And he shot it. And he was upset, you know. And with that three-point, I believe he sold himself.

And basketball is the easiest. You keep saying soldiers. It's hilarious. He's just out of prostituted himself. Okay, no, I'm not saying that. But that's just how I view it, bro. That's just how I view it. Yeah.

You're selling itself is a ridiculous way to frame it. But I agree. It's a, if it's true, right, again, it's still just investigation. I saw specifics. I'll find and pull it up. What happened was he put it. was he played one game, it's called on Monday. He had 17 points, 12 rebounds, good game.

The next game, his unders was set at like 7.5 points. He scored six points and then went out of the game with an eye injury and didn't play the rest of the game. All of his unders hit because he went out of the game early. Next in me comes back, does great again. The following game, he once again goes out early with an injury just under all of his unders. So it seems like he's picking and choosing when to play poorly

to like, you know, do good and then do bad. That way, like, the lines are high and then he comes out and does poorly. Which seems to me, if it's true, that's a pretty clear smoking gun, that you're kind of like, for whoever's purposes, you're helping kind of, what even know the word is, but you're helping somebody's interest by playing poorly on purpose for whatever way you're interested in it. This is collusion. This is what it is. Yeah. Not great. Not a great love for the league.

And it's so interesting because sports betting is obviously here to say. It's a huge element of the NBA media. The NBA media is like in large part bankrolled by sports betting right now. So many top podcasts. and even network shows are almost completely funded by draftings, Fandle, underdog, prize picks, all these companies. It's just deeply ingrained

in everything that is sports right now and it's probably not going anywhere. But it's such a fine line when the league itself is the one chilling it, you know? Like I don't have any issue with like individual shows, individual people doing sports betting. Obviously nothing wrong with it on the surface level.

Like we've done sports betting ads. It is what it is. It's part of the game these days. But when the league itself does it, like there's such a integrity question there. what it's such a different standpoint of like me or donovan saying let's play prize picks we like to have fun versus the NBA and you have LeBron James in an ad saying let's do prize picks that's such a different level of influence a different level of involvement from an official standpoint and what's crazy about it too is that the NBA out of out of the major professional sports leagues in the NBA or in in America the NBA was the first one to officially partner with a with the sports book and that was less than 10 years

after the whole refereeing scandal that they had, right? So, like, eight, because that happens in, in 06, and then I think they partnered with Fandu in 2014. And that, that is just a lack of self-awareness on the league's part, one. And two, you get to, it's already one thing that people, right, whenever a game doesn't go their way, people are saying, oh, things are rigged. You've had things in the past in NBA history when people say, this was rigged, this game was rigged, that-da-da-da, right.

ratings two weeks ago ruddy gobert looked at a referee and went like this and did and did the money something to you can't have the players in the league also being like now this this whole thing is rig right it's a bad it's a bad bad look on everybody to be looking at this entire product and saying yeah we're fixing it all to to come get this money and this everybody people are out here dying about these parley's man about these prizes people are so ready to run up and fight anybody at any time. Tyrese Halliburton says it said it the other day. He's like, to have these people, I'm just like a person.

I'm just somebody trying to get them to make money, right? I'm just part of their parlay, this and that. And it's definitely something where if you're in the arena, it's easy to make a quick little price picks parlay, especially with like live, you know, live props. I can have stuff. It's easy to make a bet. you're easy to go to go um to be close and be with all these people i wonder how the league kind of addresses this going forward because like isaac said money talks and so like you can't

you can't just say like no we're just not going to take your tens of millions of dollars but there's going to have to be a line that they that they draw where they're going to have to send back some millions of dollars to try and keep the integrity of the game their hands are in some serious blood too obviously because they've fully ingratious in this like you said Donovan and then on top of that they went ahead and like double down and they're trying

to market the living shit out of this whole gambling thing with now extending it to being able to play slide bets through league pass. They announced that like last week. Now if you have the ability to hop on the pass, you have a lead pass account or whatever. You know

just how fucking trash that website is. You know how inconsistent it is if there's always some weird glitch going on like 60% of the time or at least in my experiences and what I see all over the internet it's a horrible platform you know and to see them start to prioritize this and put it literally take over let it take over a quarter of your screen is disgusting work and now like as an NBA fan who appreciates basketball for the purity of it you know even though I will take gladly like any betting money any day any company that comes to

gladly, for sure. Will I participate? No, but will I take it for sure? It's just like, how do you undo it? You know? And I just imagine things getting worse. You don't. It's too much money.

You don't. Yeah, it's too much money. It's too easy. It's too easy to do. And like, there's just not, there's not like a way back. Once you take the, once you let the genie out of the bottle,

you can't put it back in. you know. So the only thing that that you can do at this point is try to minimize your relationship and make it seem like, hey, listen, we were just doing it for the check. That's not really what we're about, right? We are still about like the integrity of the game and all this type of stuff. You have to allow that to happen. And with 82 games and a game happening every night, a lot of it can get lost in the shuffle. But do not be surprised at all if you see more of these stories coming out in the next month, two months, All of that, because it's going to happen as long as you keep, you know, promoting it and integrating it.

You guys are more so NFL heads than me last year, or was it two years ago now? There's an NFL player on the Falcons who, like, got caught. Cavendering on himself or something like that, right? It wasn't on himself, but he wasn't betting on himself. He was just betting on NFL games, period. That doesn't do with him. And the NFL is, I every sportfully get strict about it, I think, in terms of that. But, yeah, he got caught having his name tied.

to a fan dual account it was suspended for the year because of that yeah and then like and then even coming into this year like the lions had three players where they were caught making bets inside the facility and so um they they also got in trouble for that and so yeah man it's everybody everybody has a phone everybody can go right now and like even though that sports betting isn't legal in every single state things like underdog and price picks those are allowed to happen because they aren't classified as sport they're not they're not gambling entities those are daily fantasy sports right so you're still able to kind of do all of those things and like it's a little loophole that you can get into so that's why like everybody's talking about these parleyes these parlays

that's what those things are kind of bet on because you can't make just one bet on underdog or price fix the same way that you can at a sports book and so those things are everybody thinks um you know i i know i know basketball i know football all I have to do is get five picks right it's hard right even professional gamblers only win like 55 56% of the time

it's a hard thing to do so people are just losing money and the NBA is breaking it in yeah man anyways we can move on let me catch up on the donos right now shout out to jrm 37 donated four dollars total he said crayons crayons crayons got to get back to class now

shout out jrm shout out the rat leader who tipped two dollars he said uh mo i'm in your bed i'm coming from them toes tonight listen the whole chat this entire like the first part of this the chat has been asking for mo's toes toes toes toe reveal toe review toe reveal grippers there's going to have to be some mighty donos in this guy for me to go selling himself selling himself

listen what's your life i never said i was any bad better. All right. I call out what I see. See, he just like me for real. Yeah. Shout up to fur, sir. He said, 10 dollars. Appreciate you. He said my favorite pod, hands down. Keep up the good work. Hope you consider a segment where React slash hate on some ridiculous ESPN takes. That would just drive me insane. I fucking hate ESPN these days.

I've been very vocal about it. Yeah, I know. I saw some terrible down. Speaking to ESPN, I saw some terrible down bad, just horrible announcing when I was watching I saw a skit Bayliss and what's the other old football dude on on he's just closed now yeah that's yeah that's like as LeBron ever posted somebody or whatever

bro they're in the toilet right now trenches shout out to Del Sol for tipping five dollars he said I'm putting this five dollars on Mo in the Don versus Moe shooting contest we all know Don be checking out bricks out there whoa Donovan they're trying your life right now that's fun he takes it is personal

that's a why for tipping one dollar appreciate y'all on to the next story let's get back to basketball the betting thing is going to be quickly developing we'll probably talk more about it in the coming episode

as more information comes out but for today the Golden State Warriors are dangerously close to losing their current spot in the NBA play in tournament they are the 10 seed and are losing that spot

very quickly to the Houston Rockets who have been on a fucking tear listen we're going to talk plenty about Jalen Green pretty soon but as of now they are exactly what is it one game ahead of the Houston Rockets and the standings not a great place to be for a team that you know is always championship or bust when you have Steph Curry on your team and the ladies thing

we heard them talk about it was somebody asked Jaramong Green about it in the post-compressor and he said I don't give a damn about the Rockets it was like they're not a worry to me you might have to care pretty soon how are you feeling with the Warriors right now how are you feeling about they're playing the most

basketball ever right now a lot of folks are mad at steve ker because a couple of nights ago uh i think it was what team was against was against the pacer's or i think it was actually against the timber wolves yeah the timber wolves where there's a good stretch entering the fourth quarter where steve cur just did not want to play uh curry because minutes or whatever and he was like said some crazy quote he was like i don't want to ride step curry too much i'm like that i didn't put word doesn't know that's literally what he said and the context of that was like he didn't want to like overbear him with minutes and so it seems like that is the only way to go ahead and do so he has to be continuously the hero like steve cur said the hero for this franchise for the last

15 years and onward because the warriors are just like genuinely in the trenches of although jonathan caminga is a nice offensive punch there still relies a lot of the same issues on this team. So, it's tough. I think they might be cooked. And if so, that'll be so entertaining. I mean, they're super-cooked. What do you might be?

They're cooked as fuck. Even if they maintain this body, the 10-seed, probably are going to lose the Lakers in a single elimination game. Who knows that they beat the Mavs or whoever in the 7-C game after that? They're beyond cooked. They fucking suck.

They fool this for a couple weeks and they brought things together after starting Dremonde. They look good, went on a nice run. It's been nothing but inconsistency since. I don't even, whether or not they lose a 10-seed, neither here nor there. Cook is like that.

the nicest way we can talk about them. I mean, but we've said that they're cooked for a while. Like, we've understood that this team isn't going to make a deep run in the playoffs. But whether or not you can win a championship with Steph Curry right now, like, that's one conversation. Making the play, even making the playoffs is another conversation. Making the play end, right? That's actually embarrassing.

And it's disgraceful. If you can't make the playing, when you had this giant lead and the Rockets lost their star player. And obviously, they, listen, they lost a star player, got another one back because they didn't agree. Like, listen, I'm a father now, right? Bills have to get paid. Diapers have to get paid shots. I understand that. You cannot go down like that.

They have a very easy schedule, though, for the rest of the way. They have one of the easiest schedules in the league. they have their next six games are really really going to be important they have Miami Orlando Charlotte San Antonio Dallas and then Thursday April 4th is probably where the season is going to be decided because they play Houston in they play Houston on the road first on Thursday April 4th if they end up losing that game and Houston is able to make up a full game right and even if they tail off from winning eight straight and they go what two and two in the next four games that's

probably going to be where where the season is decided these are these are must win games down the stretch but they have a very very good opportunity i think they're going to be okay i i think they're going to be fine and by okay i just mean get the 10 yeah i was like what is okay me they're defer the thing from okay yeah it's just get get the 10 right maybe maybe you could beat the Lakers in a one-game scenario, we'll see, but I don't know. Yeah, whatever. Anyways, the point of this isn't necessarily about the Warriors, fuck the Warriors. The main point is, the Rockets are cooking since Alpern's and Goon got hurt, which, you know,

isn't because of him, it's a coincidence, but they have been fantastic. They're 9 and 1 in the last 10 games. Jalen Green won Player the Week, the week before last, and they came back this week and averaged 37 points per game right after that. He's been absolutely unstoppable. his jumper is finally coming together for the same period of time he's per this tweet I pulled up

he's shooting 47% on pull-up threes over his last eight games and I saw another tweet he's shooting over 70% at the rim Listen we've seen a lot of fake Jalen Green runs over the years where March comes around and he goes berserk

It's never been this berserk and for this long it seems like he's actually putting something together and is like figuring out how to be an effective score Yeah we'll see if we can trust it long term

I feel a little bit moved There's been a Like, plenty of times in the NBA season to where, like, towards the end of the season, over the last 10, 15, we've seen it throughout NBA history years where certain players who have had a, yeah, reputation in the NBA, just tend to go off towards the end of the season. And that's because teams usually don't care. Now it's a different era, a different age because the playing shouldn't really every single game matters up until game 82. and with the leap that we're seeing him make with how efficient that he's been

and with how engaged he's been on defense. And then on top of that, the rim looks like the ocean to him. He can't miss anything. It's a night and day difference in terms of what type of player that he is right now compared to what he was the first 50 games of the season. And this type of just switch hasn't been seen before. And I wonder if he could keep, obviously he can't sustain like the efficiency because it's just like insane. He'll be a top-ton player in the NBA if so.

But can he be some shades of this throughout the future? I don't know. Yeah, I mean, at the day, the big thing is a three-point shot is falling. That opens up the rim driving game that we've seen and everything else brings the confidence together. And that's being the biggest issue with him forever of why he's been so mid for so long is a three-point shot, just never been consistent. And he's a type of player that needs that to be the bedrock of his game for everything else to come together. So you said that the shooting is unsustainably high? Correct.

Can it still be really great going forward without being this unsustainable? I don't know. But that's like the one thing that I'll control the rest of the game, I think, is his two-point shooting real. Yeah. But we've, Isaac, when you started this, you were like, we've seen Jalen Green have March heaters before. And if you look at the calendar, we're still in March. So maybe he just doesn't like winter. Maybe he just needs, right, warm weather around him.

Right. He likes the sunshine. Anything after daylight savings time, right? We're talking about betting. We'll bet the over on Jalen Green after daylight savings time. Because I've seen stuff like this from him before, right? We've seen him get into these modes, get into these bags where the creation is there, the shot making is there. We all know about his athleticism.

And I also think that moving forward with the rockets, I don't know. Once what Sangoon comes back, I don't know. Obviously, if you can go out and score 30 at night on this efficiency, go ahead and do it. But I don't know where the space is going to be with them. And that's why I think the biggest question for the Rockets is. And it's a good problem to have. You just have a lot of people that you, like a lot of good prospects, a lot of people that you have to develop. How does it look next year when Sanguna is back?

When Tar Easton is back. Javari Smith takes another leap. You're trying to get Amman Thompson into like the starting guard roll. I'm hesitant to trust Jalen Green in this sense but I do think that like everything that he's showing is 100% his potential and I think that maybe in another situation it can go down like this but consistently I'm not there yet

I need to see it for half a season do if you can do what Kobe White has done right then maybe I can trust it where I've seen it for a majority of the year but two three weeks out of the season you go crazy, that might just be your calendar. Yeah. A lot of credit also needs to be given to IMEUDoka and how quickly he adjusted. It's not a lot of times where like BC teams, the best player go down.

And then the team adjusters play style so fast in such a fast way and also such an effective way, too. They're playing a lot faster. And along with that, everyone else is just being utilized in a slightly different ways, of course, because they were a Sengoon rain team. And like you said, Donovan, like, if I'm a team like the Houston Rockets, I see it and I appreciate it. Came a little late. We could have used you while Sengoon was here to give us more information, whatever.

But nonetheless, this is great, and you move into next season with Good Faith, and you try to see if those two can move in a, move as a union and be a real duo. But as of now, it was just like, I don't know. I don't really buy too, I don't want to say buy too much of this, but I'm just sitting on my hands right now, you know? Yeah, for sure. And that's all you can do. You can acknowledge he's playing better now.

Because I know a lot of people would comment on our videos and say, like, the Jalen Green hate is crazy. And I've seen some comments on the older episodes. Like, y'all need to reassess the Jalen Green hate. Nobody hates Jalen Green. Nobody has vested interest in rooting against the Rockets in Jalen Green. He's just been bad for a long time. And now he's good, right?

So, like, we can hold our breath and hope this is real because, like, why wouldn't you want to see him be good? but there's been so much of a sample size of him being not good in similar situations over time that it's a wait-and-see thing, right? But if it does stay like this and he actually is real, completely changes his outlook at the Rockets. This is a very scary team next year.

It's in Gung gets another year under his belt development, playing all-star level. If Jalen Green is going to be an effective 24-point per game score, whatever, like you said, Donovan, all those defensive young players they have at Amman Thomas and Tari-Eason, Jabari-Smith, all these should be really great defenders. This team can get really, interesting really fast next season.

Now listen. I can't wait for the offseason. And also like to that point, we saw Jalen Green and the Rockets play unserious basketball for three, for two or three years straight. They were playing straight 2K pickup basketball with no

structure in a money laundering scheme. For the last two years, this is the first time that in a while that we've seen the Rockets be a respectable franchise and move in a fashion to where you guys actually looked like a basketball team. So, yeah, it's like, it's new, but it's not, don't act like everybody else two years ago.

We're like, oh, my God, the Rockets are, they're doing it. Like, no, we were all laughing at them collectively. Yeah, exactly. You're sure right. I still have some, like, critiques about his game, minor critiques, like, his dribbling and stuff like that because it's really essential to being a high-level score in the NBA, but things look a little bit better. And, you know, in a couple of TikToks, I did call him, like, a fact.

Aschenova model or H&M model or some shit like that. I might be wrong if you keep playing like this. I'll say this. I'll say this. I will take him seriously. If he cuts his hair, I'll know he's locked in. Right. If he cuts his hair down, right, gets himself a little two starts brush. I will know he's locked in and he's ready to go.

That's what I believe in Jalen Green. On a scale of 1 to 10, how much you believe in Jalen Green, chat? Do you think this is real? Let me see it down there Let me see if you guys That are fully believing in Jalen Green or not In the meantime While y'all comment about how you feel about Jalen green

You got some donuts to read out What's the last one you read? Okay Shout out to the rat leader Donning another $1. He said Don shoots enough bricks to build a house Killing Hayes 2.0 Fax

Damn Shout out to Shout out to 5 foot two king for joining $1. He said I know Isaac's feet are swinging from his chair Rose dangling shout out to Elena for tipping three dollars

said what's y'all's take on k-dot dis and Drake and Cole I need it I need it all I need all the aggression we can bring some energy back into the drama it's been dead for a while we Drake better be writing he better I'll tell you that Donovan's a tough fatigue I'll tell you that also shout out to discont for discount

I don't know you say that for donating $5 he said love and peace to y'all and those watch Appreciate you. Mo Gripper picks donating $3. How much for them picks, Mo? More than $3. I'll tell you that. You better keep going. What was that username? Mo Gripper picks. Hi, we gotta block that guy. Nikiel! Watch, please. As shout out the Webby for donating $3. What era of the NBA has the best off-court fashion? Probably this one. They care the most now because they're the most famous, so they try the hardest.

Yeah, overall. Overall, probably the most. Yeah, this year, for sure. Now, for sure, yeah. I don't know. Yeah, Lee Fitz is the thing. 70s. Probably 10 players who tried hard in the 70s

and a bunch of guys just wearing fucking overalls. There's a lot of quality out here these days and there's a lot of variance, too. A lot of bad stuff, too. Just say the name. It's very balanced. It's very balanced.

All right, all, next door we got. Adam Silver talking about the All-Star game says, we're going to look at U.S. Savers International. I just think maybe we're past the point where we're going to play a truly competitive game. Interesting. The All-Star game might finally be dead after it being awful for so long.

Do y'all want the Al-Sar going to continue to exist or do you want them to see them give up and just do something interesting like U.S. Avers International? This would start up some nasty wars in this bitch. I'm not going to lie to you. It's going to be in the front line. I'm thinking of the same thing. like the same thing. I was like, this game is not going to work unless arenas comes back

in place. It would be going crazy. Did they give the honorary head coach for the game? Yeah, no, it's going to be real nasty. Oh, man. So for you guys, who would be starting five for the team America versus international? Uh, shay, uh, Curry. Okay. Okay. America first. Steph, Booker, Tatum, Durant.

Who's the center? Anthony Davis, Anthony Davis. Maybe you put LeBron there instead of Tatum. Yeah. And it's not starting? It's an all-star game. No, I mean, and with a Booker, no. No, no.

In the All-Star game, though? You can't start. Shoot with your right hand, and then you can start. Okay, okay, okay. So yeah, Curry, Booker, LeBron, K, D, Anthony Davis. Tatum and Anthony Edwards is alternates or you can put them

your starter or Donovan Mitchell but the international team Shay Luca Donchich small forward who would be small forward is it

Whemby fuck it we just go Yannis and Bid Yokic we just go massive with Wemby coming off the bench wow

that's even so much better they got it they got it there's so much more talent but Yeah, but Team U.S. America might be deeper, though, for sure. I think they're deeper. I guess the top-in talent is night and day.

Hey, but I guess it also depends on Joe N.B. Because he wanted to rep Team USA, actually, this summer. Listen, we do not. The NBA is not operating the same rules as Feeba. He's not from the U.S.A. You can't finesse that. That was ridiculous. Yeah.

So what do you guys feel? Do you guys feel like the All-Star game needs to be completely thrown away? and done something like this, or do you feel like it's worth trying to save? No, it's dead. It's dead. Like, I, no, but they don't care, but the players don't care about it.

And they've shown it that the only time that it has been decent in the last five years was the first time that they moved into the draft format or the one that they had in 20, like the first couple of years of that was good. But now that that has lost and shine, nobody cares about it. And you can make whatever adjustments you want to the structure of the game. if the people actually playing in it are going to act like it's 3 p.m. in L.A. Fitness,

then we are not going to get a legitimate All-Star game. It just won't work. The games don't look good at half speed like that. Damn. Yeah, I agree. A team led by Yolkich and Luka in the All-Star game might just absolutely blow up in Adam Silver's face because I don't know if those guys are like generally take any of these changes to heart. They wouldn't give a damn.

they won't let's talk about something that matters let's talk about some of that matters please the charlotte hornets have been eliminated from playoff contention you know what no my god might got to pour one out for them because sad day sad day for the league

damn all right so what's next right I want to talk about yeah I'm not here next listen the clippers have been athlete leero the clippers have been they have they have not been good ever since we gave them the praise

of being the second best team in the West. They just like... That's a clippers thing to do. Facts. It took their fucking foot out of the gas. They are currently one and eight against winning teams since the All-Star break.

Oof! Not great. That is absolutely disgusting. They're going to lose the four seed. New Orleans is going to catch them for the four-seat. Bro. At this rate, yeah.

That's crazy as hell. They're only a half a game up on New Orleans for the four-seed right now. Yeah, they're cooked. Oh, my God. That's an auction. half a game. That's an embarrassing fumble because those top four teams were so far ahead of

everybody. And for the fact that everybody else, those other three teams are still way ahead. They're all half a game, a one game back out of the one seed. Now it's just a three-team golf. After that, five and a half games back for the clipperies. Embarrassing falloff. Five and five over the last ten. Categor to mid, by definition, since the all-star break.

Do you all think they can turn it up for the playoffs to come around? Do you still believe in them or you're a little worried? Off a namesake, if I was it like and not even any disrespect if I was a casual I'd be like yeah the clippers are going to be fine because you just look on paper you see paul george kawai james harding you think it's going to be fine but obviously they're not they're not good you got pa joris talking about we don't have an identity which is weird but whatever and then even i was like eh maybe maybe they'll be okay i'm looking at the schedule to close the the season starting in april sacramento

Denver, Utah, Cleveland, and two games against Phoenix. Yo, it can go south quickly, quickly. At the end of the year, if they, if they, they can mess around, right? It would be unlikely, but they can mess around and end up in the seven. If they lose hilarious, bro, if they lose two games to the suns at the end of the season, which they probably won't, but who knows? They could end up in the playing, which is wild. There's probably not enough games left that it actually fall that far,

because they've been mid, not horrendous. But that would be hysterical. Even if they fall to, like, if they fall to six? Oh, my God, that'd be funny as hell. Because where are they? They are, they're three wins above, yeah, the three games above the kings. They lose to the kings and lose both games to the sons.

You're getting dicey. Oh, my goodness. I the interesting part is you could believe that they could turn it around because like why wouldn't you

right it's a skid every team goes through this type of stuff but they don't exactly have playoff

playoff risers on their team that you can believe in to just fucking flip the switch Paul George James Hardin

er does Russell West were going to come in and save this team in the series is Kauai just going to

go superhero mode I don't know but it's not a lot to really hold your hat on if they're not showing you they're good

in the moment it's tough It's tough, but also I feel like when it comes to who the head of that team is, which is being Kawhi Leonard, if any team is going to do it, when I say it's going to do it, flip that switch. I believe it could be them. Kauai's been playing perfectly normal, perfectly fine. His three-point shot hasn't been as effective over the last 10, 15 games compared to

where it was throughout the rest of the season. Same thing for Paul George. He's been playing absolutely fine. But James Arden, he had been some pure trash. Over the last 10 games, he's shooting 38% from the field and 30% from 3. That's so bad. And, you know, like, the reason why we look at them in the new light and another level compared to all the Clippers teams in the past is because of his play, his playmaking,

and his ability to help connect the pieces of the Los Angeles Clippers. You know, he really connected everything together. So if he's not taking charge. and being the, not the force that we know we can be, but the essential key piece that they need, then I don't know what to think of this thing. Yeah, it's not looking great.

Listen, we'll TVD, right? We'll give us some more time. Don't want to make any overreactions either way. Something to keep your eye on. And I can imagine we will be one of the shows that doesn't take any, there will be nothing holding us back from being honest with the Clippers

if the time comes. I'll say that. I think that's, you love this meeting. I think that's nothing. He stayed doing that. Should we believe in this team? You tell me. Next story, man. Paul Pierce has been yapping, as he tends to do.

He said Steph's influence in the game has been greater than LeBron, MJ, and Kobe. Do you agree that Steph has the greatest influence of all time? I agree with that. You agree with that? I can agree with that for sure. Be serious. Over Michael Jordan?

He doesn't get it over Jordan I would put him over LeBron and I would put him over Kobe But you can't put him above Michael Jordan In terms of influence Like that's that that's just That's not correct It's not outlandish to say It is outlandish

Michael Jordan He's more famous than God What do you mean? Michael Jordan was more famous than God In 1995 nobody in the fucking planet It was more influential than Michael Jordan Listen listen 2016 Steph I will put it out

bring up the stats and bring it to your platter right now bro you can't tell me otherwise all right what stats of influence so people will die over jordan's that is true i wouldn't take one punch for some step curry shoes all right now that's a different that's a different that's the that's the difference that's the difference you get punch if you're wearing if you're wearing curry shoes and you'd fight somebody else for jordan that is that's the gap between the influence right now so that's the bar that we're going okay if we're going by the underarmors then sure okay i i guess i guess that's fair you know because i've never in my life wanted to cop a pair underarmors never will but yeah i get his point though i get his point step core he's

definitely up there for most influential players of all time you know this is a typical tv thing right the guy to be hyperbolic and like make him like the most influential when really he means he's in like the top tier of influential which is fair but he has very very very he's not he's he's not wrong in in stating how big of an influence stuff has had because everybody and it's it's literally just because of the way that he's built not everybody everybody can't be six eight two sixty and have a forty five forty eight inch vertical right but everybody can relate to being right one of the smallest people on the court or whatever or think like oh i can i can be 35 feet and still get a shot off just like step i can do that

as well. And so now, whenever you go anywhere in organized, unorganized pickup, whatever, those are the kinds of shots that everybody's taking because Steph has, Steph has conditioned everybody to think that that is a good shot. When in reality, he's the only part, him and Dame are the only two people that shoot a like solid percentage from that far out. And everybody else kind of falls in line with what every other shooter has done for the rest of, for like all of attorney. There's a level of shooting that people get to when you're at the NBA. And then there's Steph Curry and

Damien Lillard. And then there's people. Go to hell. No, go to hell. The stats are there. All right. Shut up. This dude shoots 38% from three point line when it's 30 feet and beyond.

Kiss my ass. He's like that. God, I'm tired. You got disrespected. Anyways. One of our first TikToks, we have a viral one were you saying that, like, Trey Young is statistically one of the greatest shooters of all time. And you got ratioed me. Let me go ahead and, like, delete that real quick.

Yeah, man, stuff's definitely up there. I understand the take. It's just obviously ridiculous hyperbole. Someone said, God damn, how many drinks is Isaac have at his desk? I only got two. I have 20. Oh, okay. I was about you talking about.

That's hilarious. How much do you got? I'm going to defend you got the same amount. sunkiss zero sugar this man's a dieter listen this man's a dieter listen this this listen sunkiss zero sugar is one of my favorite actual sugar in terms of being like as close to the regular soda the sunkiss one is right up there in terms of taste and we talked about it dr pepper zero sugar also an elite diet soda if you guys listen you guys are trying to go that way my top three sunkiss zero sugar uh dr pepper and then

then you can't go wrong with the Coke Zero. See, you're about that life. Oh, my goodness. Ripping open the package, relax. Like that? There's a perforated thing. There's a place to you to rip it open. You don't have to do that.

That's animalistic. Amalistic. Dr. Pepper's zero sugar is so good. I can't even drink Dr. Pepper any more regularly because I'm so used to the zero sugar ones. When I drink the regular ones, I'm like, is this fucking cough syrup? It's awful. I'm so used to it. I've got a couple more donations real quick.

What's your drink situation look like? Right now I have a Diet Coke. Diet Coke and I got my water. Yeah. USA donated $5. Appreciate you. Rank these people's influences. Michael Jackson, Jordan, and Elvis.

I don't even know where to start. Jackson 1, Elvis 2, and then Jordan 3. Elvis is 3. Elvis is three Michael Jordan is two Actually no Michael Jordan Michael Jackson

Elvis That's what I was thinking What Michael Jordan For Michael Jackson was more famous But I think Jordan Was more influential I don't agree with that

necessarily Because In what sense I think about the influences Throughout culture And Michael Jordan Had that same reach as well But the reach with music

Is just larger But we're not talking about that Right now That's fair I can reach, yeah, reach But influence is different than reach Who has more reach with their influence That's how I'm looking at it

Okay That's like And like If you hear this dude's music Look at his streams And see how people sing and rap That is that shit It's fucking Michael Jordan or Jackson

You know? Yeah, I get it We're talking about two of the most famous people of all times I understand There's no like real thing to gauge it either I'm just like Prince I live Mike Jack though Anyways next one

Bull Bull Bull Bull said Bull Bull were called for a foul Against Victor Women Yama And he said to the ref Y'all are dick riding bro I get it He sounds jealous as hell He sounds so jealous

People were so surprised by his voice Because they didn't know Bullwold grew up in America Going to like fucking AAU camps And playing a fucking charter schools So he just sounds like every other American teen And people were like I thought he talked like Jembead but he just sounds like

Devon Booker that was hilarious but this is funny as hell no it was good shout out to Bobo for staying relevant somehow you know like he had

Shaq has been keeping the legend of Bobo alive for the last like two years and just like hey if he gets a chance right he can do it he's okay he's fine

he's whatever these are the moments that we're looking at from Bobo right I just need you to be a semi solid NBA role player give us a funny tweet every

every three months and I promise you're going to be a legend you're already 7 3 or whatever he's content of putting that shit on on Instagram some of the chats that I thought he sounded like they came in a tumbo oh my god now that's where that's where we got to slow down now

oh my god yeah and this game too actually played really well alongside a victim of Mignon it looked like he tried to get up out the bed for this specific matchup be like hey y'all I can do some of this shit too no you try to doing it because it's his basis another on those along the same lines Chris Ball got a tech for calling one of the refs a tick tocker which is hilarious I forget which one it's the

older guy what's his name his family's a Celtics fan he looks like the uh the uh he looks like Tony brothers what's yes that's his name shout up shout up to Lebroncitis for me on the top of the saying in the in the thread yeah he called Tony brothers a ticotker because he made a TikTok with his family or something. I think he's like some kind of dance with his kid. And he got a tech, which is hilarious. He was also what, I think the real reason why he called him that was because CP3 posted on his story, on his IG story, 20 brothers was like on some TikTok interview, whatever.

He was like, I don't really care about basketball. And he re-posted that CP3. I think that same night or some shit like that. And that's what caused him, after seeing that, that's what calls him to go ahead and say. Still embarrassing. you're in a commercial every five seconds who the audacity to be like you're a ticotka you're a bad actor like who do you do the same thing thought of a ticket this personally that's funny he's speedwalking in state phone commercials just moving hit just moving hip

side to side you're a ticotker it's on the greeting oh this is a good tweet as uh uh uh out, he said, at all the Metter Peak, who would you bench out of these players? It's Chris Paul, Dwayne Wade, Carmelo Anthony, T-Mack, Anthony Davis, and Dwight Howard. Okay, so I was thinking about this for a while. Dwight can't go nowhere. A D.D. Can't go nowhere. CP3 can't go nowhere. D. Wade, obviously, can't go nowhere. Yeah.

People, like people were saying Chris Paul, I'm like, y'all, that's like the surest sign of not knowing ball. Like, get the fuck out of here. all these scores you think you're going to cut the one playmaker you're out of your mind yeah so two players here mellow and teemak you know they kind of do the same things similar levels you could cut ad if you wanted to but i'd rather have the extra defender yeah i know that's pelicans ad can't go anywhere so what i was going was you can either take out AD or Dwight and personally

listen I don't think he I stand I stand up for for Dwight Howard a lot you can cut him off this list and I would be okay you can take Anthony Davis over Dwight depending on what the like first

was like and it would be okay I can see that I don't have the two defenders though we're getting we're getting we're getting very 2000 Okay, is Anthony Davis is better than T-Mack, right?

Yeah, he's better than Mello 2. The two-way play? Like, Prime AD that could dribble, shoot, attack the rim, be one of the best defenders on the court? Is it fair to say he's better than the two scores there? Yeah, that's not a question. I think you have to keep him. Is T-Mack better than Dwight Howard?

Like, there's a reason we go to Dwight Howard in all-time Magic Talks and not T-Mack. Ah. What the hell's Watson Dwight Howard highlights? Listen, T-MAC is the one for me where I would put T-MAC on the bench. Yeah, I'm cutting T-Mack pretty easily. I'll make a poll. Let's see what you have things.

It wouldn't be easy. I think that in an NBA setting, obviously, it hasn't gone well. But we've seen what? We've seen Olympic Mello be like this kind of catch-and-shoot three-point guy. where in his prime or like near towards like the end of it you can still kind of get that out of him and i don't think that you would get that from timac also if we're being completely unfair and irrational timac never made out the first round so you're off the list i'm sorry you did happen is it unfair i don't know if it's irrational for out of the first round is crazy

listen that that's crazy that is like there's a long time cp3 never made the finals i get it listen me the finals i get it the finals i get it the finals is hard to make not hard to get out of the first round not hard at all everybody's done it everybody's done it let me i'm looking at tracy's stats right now because for somebody where and like mcgrady is the ultimate kind of person where everyone's like you just had to be there to understand just like how a great team act was like it was it was him and coby and granted listen seven time all-star seven all NBA like at his peak I believe everything that you're saying. But for somebody who finished in top five of MVP voting, right?

What is this? Two times, like at his peak, scoring 32 a game, 28 a game, all this other stuff, to never get out the first round is wild. In the playoffs, also, I mean, listen, he was kind of doing this thing, though. I don't know if it was this fault. It might have been back with this fault. He had, listen, he had.

34, 31, 31, 31, hey, this team, Mac. I'm sorry, you can stay. You can stay, Tracy. I forgot. Well, then Mello has to go then. Honestly, I can see Mello too, though. Mello's the worst fit. It's one of them.

It's one of them. Who's the better defender out of the team? That's the real question. That's the real question. We're just going to have a cone at the three. It's okay. If that's the case, if we're picking between those two and if, like, one of them has to go, yes, AD and Dwight have to say because we,

need the defense on the back end. And in that case, I really do think that Team Mac would still have to go because, like I said earlier, I let them 1v1 for it. That's the best way to go. Then we all win. Who gets the ball first? Who gets the ball first? Oh, my goodness. Melos. Mello wins.

Whoever gets the ball first is winning that one-on-one. Yeah, I think the argument of Mello fitting a little bit worse makes a little bit essential with his style of play when he was young. But like you said, Olympic Mello exists, so maybe he would buy into that and just be spotted up. Yeah. But also, okay, see, mellow exists too so it's like you know that's when he got a zap through his powers and he just

you know couldn't do it anymore tough soon listen 41% of the votes at timac sorry team mac your time's done in this imaginary scenario that doesn't matter tough listen this whole thing is about to be done because we're at like 700 people watching and we're only at 336 people like this stream up bro like it up true come on Anyways, that concludes our new story section of the podcast. You guys saw that run a show. We have several things lined up for you guys. New story was just one of them.

Next thing we're going to do, we're going to play a few games of blind rankings. All three of us have five names. Did you all get your names together? Mm-hmm. Okay. So we all have five names. We're going to play three rounds of blind rankings. You guys know how it works.

One of us will host it will give us names. The other two at the, you know, blind break the players without knowing who's next. Donovan, you want to go first? Yeah. Okay. so let me pull up this doc all right Donovan

you got it yeah wait so the names are just we're not doing like point guards or whatever or like shooting guards we're just going players up to you whatever you decide to do me personally I did point guards okay I just I pulled in just like some some names

whatever okay yeah well I I think this is more interesting I want to see where you guys kind of rank these guys so all right do i have to say the hook or are we just going sure all right all right we'll just go all right first name scotty barnes oh he could be three or four i feel comfortable with four you think he's going to put four all stars on this list i don't know no way in hell he puts four all stars donovan had a bad day today so i wouldn't trust that what do you mean had a bad day We didn't talk at all about my day

I'll ask you off the pod How was your name? I think I would be more comfortable with three Scotty Barnes is a little too good for four I think Three Okay, this is the moment that we That we might get screwed And I'm going to bring this and throw this in your face

This decides it all All right You're saying three there's a Oh y'all You all agree with them Okay three it is let's go They know they know ball Scotty Barnes is three

Okay let's do it I'm throwing a crown at both of you guys's head all right jalen williams jubb oh is he better than scottie barnes that's tough you know how i feel about jub and i'm very very at the high end of how good i think he is much let's talk about it would we feel better putting him at four though that probably makes it a little safe right narrative wise four sounds better chat the spamming of four and five like a month motherfucker So I think

we should go ahead and put them at four We'll give Scottie the credit Right he's had He made the all-star year I think J-Dub is just as good But I understand We can go J-Dub at 4

Okay Palo Bancaro Oh shit I'm cool Palo at too That's fine Right like Yeah We're not putting him at fucking five

So yeah I'm very I'm very cool That's the most comfortable A lot of people are spamming one though right now I feel like there has to be a superstar on this list He's also doing this clear niche of players.

I bet Chad Holgren's up next. I'd rather, I feel comfortable with Powell at 1 if Chet is even on this list. It's an all-star thing, so it's like... I think Chad's better than Palo, but neither here nor there. We can go Palo-O-1. But you can't put Chad 1 over J-dub and also Scotty. Yeah, well, yes, you can. That's where it gets dicey.

Over, whoa. All right, let's see, let's see, let's stop the anticipation. We'll have a Palo one. You got it. You got this time. I got the last one. We can have Palo has done enough to deserve having this type of credit among those players.

That's cool. Keegan Murray. Keehan Murray's motherfucking five. There we go. Your game is great, Keegan. I love the defense, but you are five. Last name. Tyrese Halliburton.

Oh, fuck. I told you to have a Paloette 2. Nobody ever listens to me. This is what fucking happens. No, no. You could have had a. perfect list you we're so close I had a perfect list

I say I'll give you this one I should never give you any I follow my lead you talk is going to be here so you know my game you're a bully wrong damn it Donovan said the hook real quick I might turn into a TikTok alright where's the head I forgot rank these NBA players without knowing who's next

alright rate these NBA players without knowing who's next you said rate rate you said rate oh okay rank these NBA players without knowing who's next

okay that's pretty good oh so chat what do y'all think chat someone said Moe sold so hard someone said Isaac can't spell what did I spell wrong I

oh you spelled powalo oh pollo Ipo I suppose this wrong name wrong before in the past too

it's okay I didn't spell it wrong I just pressed the wrong button i know how to spell it you spelled it wrong buddy don't let me in with you you're in there you can let's do mose list next i can go i can go next all right okay you guys ready blind rank these NBA players or hold on let's blindly rank these NBA players all right so number one the Aaron Fox oh what you think don't two I always feel safe when the first guy at three just because like you know nice in the middle

If he's only doing point guards, Darren Fox is like, what, the eighth best point guard in the league, seventh? Hmm. We might pay two top six guys. We'll go three. We'll be safe. Be safe.

At worst, they'll probably have somebody that's just as good. If you're two and three, you won't feel that bad about it. Yeah. Okay. Have you guys been consulting with chat? Because it might be pissed at y'all.

This is so back and forth, like two or three. Yeah, yeah. People were saying two or three. I get it. Y'all, y'all I wouldn't be mad at two by any means. Okay.

You ready for the next one? Yes. Trey Young. See, number two. He's a little bit better in the air. Actually, see, and I was going to ask you,

do we want to put him at four? I think Trey Young's better than Dierrin. I think it's mostly narrative why Deeran gets put above Trey Young in ratings rankings because people like to shit on Trey for all their own reasons, I think.

if I had to rebuild the team today I think I'm still picking Trayong over Deering That's See that's a hard thing Oh chat doesn't even know what the fuck They want to do I see four two

Some idiot says six It's some idiots Who else is only Okay I'm gonna say two Because I know Because I know how highly moat things With Tray Young

Okay we're playing playing to the audience, playing to the ghost. Yeah, so we'll put Trey at two. Yeah, I think one game, I'd still rather have Trey, building a team where I can actually do a good job on, like the Hawks, I'd rather build around Trey. Okay.

Damien Liller. Four. Got it be four, we can't put him one. We'll fuck the list. Yeah, yeah. I don't know if I actually think he's worse in both these guys, but we got to keep the integrity list together. Thank you. I mean, this season, you can make up.

make an argument. Yeah, well, it's not like Darren's been lining the world up either. He had a great start for the season kind of fell off midway through. A lot of chats saying one and four. It seemed comfortable with your pick. One is kind of, yeah. So I only with you guys. Okay.

Tyrese Maxie. Ooh. Well, this is the inflection point, dude. But I wonder. Did he end? I feel like Mo might have ended with someone shitty to be funny. But I don't, but I don't feel. comfortable putting maxi above these three guys i mean he's not the best season of those three

guys a highly efficient 26 points per game he was the one person that was an all-star here i mean dami lower was a starter but for popularity you know like you know what if it you got you got it i don't even do i'm not i'm not going to be that if moe ends up if moe ends up putting somebody where it needs to i don't want to be i don't want to have to it on my hands on my conscience so we can put Tyrese maxi at one and we'll see what kind of game mode plays

I don't even know if I feel good about this there's only two spots it's either at the top of the body break it with the chat break it with the chat be decisive be a man oh Tyrese max number one no you you fruca cannot type

that's crazy I fixed it immediately wow okay last one Shay Gouguz Alex Damn, this list is certified trash

We should have put Tyrese at 5 I just, you know, it was a bet Did you put a star or somebody terrible at the end I had a feeling you put somebody terrible at the end Maybe you did and you switched it last second Who knows? Should have known, I picked this man You keep the shundies on deck

You have them with you at all times Hey, you never know when the motherfucker I'm going to try me right You keep that shit in your wallet Try you My wallet is crazy You know my wallet is crazy I don't keep it literally on me

I've never worn in my entire wallet Like he's a fucking war time veteran With the picture of his wife in his wallet It's a hockey No I'm a beastie right now bro So I keep the shay on me With a bunch of rocks Just in case

It's good protection He's watching Thunder games Just like this You're crazy My sweet king all right next list i got y'all up next okay damn this is not let me type listen i didn't do great my typing lessons in school okay as you guys can see

no no no you had typing that way uh a computer class but it wasn't like typing lessons for real what grade because i i had to do the same thing in like six grade i think that was eighth grade uh they got me a six yeah okay so real simple i got in the building blind rank these NBA players first off we got Zion Williamson John's been killing it right now I was back who off rip who okay let's do two I'm okay love that love that next up we need your help in this too someone said Isaac selling at typing as well don't let us down chat next up we got Jaron Jackson, Jr.

Five, probably. Four? Could be four. Let's go four. Let's go four. Four is more safe. He was an All-Star. Last year was a defensive player of the year.

A lot of people hate him now, but he's still like that. Yeah. We'll go four. Yep, Tats says four. Let's move. Pascal Seahakum. Perfect three. Or five.

He's better than Jaron? He's better than Jaron for sure, without a doubt. Without it now. More versatile, more offensively. Defense hasn't been great in Indiana, but I just like Pascal and his ball handling more. Let's do three. Chat is very split.

See a lot of fives? They're saying fives and three. This group of fours is very like by the week. You can be really, really high on them or you can be kind of low on them. I feel like I'm never super low on Pascal Seaccom. He's just kind of there. He's doing his thing. Yeah, he's doing his thing.

He's there. I agree. that may be the best place but not at everyone he's the perfect three okay Draymond green five

yeah five you only got two spots I understand that but in an ideal world I would have him at four but we put Jaron there so but we'll put Draymond at five

yeah I mean worst player of all time worst player of all time is hilarious he is he is the best role player of all time and probably the worst star of all time at the same time that's a draymond green for you the worst star of all time yeah five is great

who's going at one evan mowgli oh fuck um chat it's not my fault donovan you don't even get to take the blame in this one it's the goddamn chat we followed their lead the intent entire team. The players, this isn't on you. There's the coaches. Shut the fuck up. There's the coaches. It is them. They said you sold. No, bro, you sold right now. You sold us where is that kid, man? You sold this when it comes to liking the goddamn stream. We can't trust you for shit in you. Damn. Listen, we have one good list here. Number one is a pretty good list on his list you can debate palo versus tyrese tiger's probably one but the two next list awful trash shit terrible damn we listen we'll come back harder next time we lifted here list another day

or we lift the blind rank another day some days you lose well listen we'll learn from our mistakes it's an opportunity but listen rain's leader snow td3's train to go so we're gonna be okay What a Leo. Okay, you're in your bag. Don Mars on the day. We are here. TD3 is trying to go. You shut the fuck up.

Okay. Nice thing we're going to do. We're going to go by the title. Let's get a little yappy. We'll go back to more games and Q&A's soon. For the next 20 minutes or so, we're going to do the title of the stream. We're going to talk about. the biggest surprises of the NBA season.

So we all, I told you guys both to prepare a few, but we do like our top three each, and we'll go through it and talk about the people that proved us right, proved us wrong, everything that we didn't see coming this year. Okay. Donovan, you go first. Where should we start?

All right, I'll start. Who's your first surprise of the year? The Los Angeles Lakers. I am shocked that we are three weeks away from the playoffs and that they are in the ninth season. I thought that they, I think everybody thought that they had a fantastic offseason. They had all this continuity coming back, right?

They got these good contracts. Austin Reeves looked like the best contract in the league. LeBron has been healthy. Anthony Davis has been everything that everybody has ever wanted him to be in terms of like L.A. version. And they suck. And I'm shocked because I didn't think that it would be like this. I thought that they were going to be at the top of the conference

fighting for a legitimate chance to run back an opportunity to get to the Western Conference Finals, be at the top of the West. And once again, they suck. And I'm just surprised that we're here. Same. Yeah, it's crazy. Same thing was on my list. I was blinded by my Lakers fandom, blinded by a Western Conference Finals run,

blinded by Rui Hachimora shooting 62% for three for an entire playoff run, blinded by Austin Reeves having a 68% true shooting for a whole season. Blinded by whatever it may be, Darwin Ham having a really good playoff series. against the Warriors and Grizzlies looking a great coach coming out this year being a dud. All of these combinations led me to believe that I was going to watch my team be a contender this year. I thought that would be like the four or five seed,

be in the mix for being one of the better teams in the conference that you don't want to play any playoff series. I was wrong. They suck. They don't have enough talent. They have one of the worst coaches in the league. They're two-star players need more help than what they have. They have a bunch of one-way players.

We got people like Cam Reddish who could play defense, Toyn and Prince who could shoot a little bit, no defense. Rui Hachamora, all offense, no defense. Jared Vanderbilt, all teams, no offense. A very terribly unbalanced roster that just doesn't have the talent top to bottom to give you competitive lineups and be able to really compete

with the top teams in the league in a playoff setting when you only play your best players. They're just nowhere near talented enough. It's honestly what it is. Wow, you really think this dude, Darbinham is one of the worst coaches in the league? He has been this year, for sure. I think last year in the playoffs,

he, whether it was him or staff, whoever makes the game plan decisions was very good. They pretty much put on defensive masterclasses against the Warriors and Grizzlies. They completely used Anthony Davis to shut down everything they want to do. It was pretty brilliant. But this year it's been fucking horseshit.

One of the biggest reasons they're bad as a team is because he loves Tori and Prince putting him with the three. All the data in the world tells you that when LeBron James, Anthony Davis, are on the court and Tori and Prince is playing, they are extremely bad. And when Tori and Prince isn't playing,

they're great. There's been clear line of decisions that he has not done anything smart to maximize his roster it's all been nothing but terrible that's tough man but at the same time he's pretty handicapped in terms of like how can he best maximize

this team? He's really not there's a lot of one-way type things here yeah so it's not the best hand to be dealt he didn't do shit with the hand to begin with though he didn't do anything elevate it and he definitely didn't get the most of it you know like there is he took forever to start

Rui Hachimura for fucking ever, was starting Toyin Prince for such a long time. He played lineups where he started no guards and straight wings. There was a game where we saw a lineup like Cam Reddish, Toyin Prince, Vando, LeBron, and AD, just the biggest players in the team, none of the small guys. And he thought that was a line that would win competitive basketball games. Like, Raupilinka did him no help by assembling a very mediocre roster,

but he did nothing to elevate it in any way. Wow, man, I love to see it, man. This whole lot of tears coming in your way. Let me go ahead and just wipe them up for you right here, Isaac. Those Sundays only go on your face, not mine. You tested them out before you gave him to me. That's a solid way to go by it. I guess I could go next.

I agree with you guys on that. Lakers are so fucking surprisingly ass. On the brighter note, OKC, none of us had them be. not out of the top one, two, three, four, five, see it in the entire, or in our preseason standing predictions. Yeah, they haven't shocked the world. They shocked the world in a lot of ways that a lot of people didn't see coming, aka Chet Hongram being one of the best rookies that we've seen in years,

J. Dub, solidifying himself and quite a shocking way to being like a surefire star player. A lot of people thought he was great last season. last season every single month of his career he got better and also through that you know he actually broke his face last year too and um he had a little delayed growth spurt in terms of his pathway to be to being a star in the NBA and since he's been healthier and healthier including this season two he's been absolutely and a bona fide second option that every single star player would love to have she a shave we already know how good this man is and overall this roster just compliments each other so perfectly.

And although, yes, they are young. And the average age of this team is like 22 and a half. But this 22 and a half year old team is dangerous. And regardless of what happens in the playoffs, a lot of people have high hopes for them. Other people are very shaken on them because of their youth. This is one of the most successful seasons I've seen in a long time in terms of a team that was just rebuilding a year and a half ago.

For sure. Like you said, it's been, honestly, they might be a team. that completely changes the way we think about young teams. Because you know, right now, every time we talk about them and their critiques, it's always like, oh, playoff experience this, playoff experience that, never about, like, their actual on-court talent. Because their encore talent is fantastic, and top to bottom, they're one of the most complete teams in the NBA.

Obviously, they have no weakness like everybody else does. You have to pick and choose things to excel at and be weaker at with team building, right? You can't fill every hole. They are as close to filling every hole as possible. Pause. And if they have a good, it's like, you know, a good playoff run and, like, translate the success I've had in the regular season, they could be the new benchmark for, oh, not every young team is in a struggle just because

they're young, right? Maybe there's some other factors in it besides youth. Maybe you can actually break through if you're just, you're actually that good and coach that well. I won't be shocked that happens with them. I agree. Yeah, 100%. I think literally the only question, there's two questions that everybody has about the thunder

right now, and it's what's going to happen in late game situations when if and when Josh giddy is still on the floor and is check going to get his chest caved in and are they going to have like you know problems rebounding but outside of that i don't i've honestly heard a lot of people just be like i don't think this like young team falling apart in the playoffs thing is going to happen to them i think everybody feels very very confident that they're going to come out they're going to play their style of basketball and it's really just is this bad player going to mess up everything that the other good players are doing and that's and that's it and like i so i just i just went back so i had the thunder so isaac had the thunder at eight mo had the thunder at eight and then i

had the thunder at seven and i'm so mad and i'm i'm so mad at myself because i remember when we we were in um we were in l-a together and before the season started before we did that episode and i was like telling you guys all this thunder propaganda and i was like bro like they're going to be top six hauled this and then all of a sudden i just like backed off it they they're they're good and i i think that they are also like primed for i like they they definitely can make it run i think right now i'll try i'll say what so the chat said isaac what is your opinion on border patrol for no apparent reason i mean you know what reason but like y'all have been very very wild over the last

72 hours when she was in on Border Patrol crazy tweets they've been called all times of Beaner in the fucking Twitter comments

oh my God oh it's hilarious oh that I'm gonna no it's all good shout out okay C they're fire the biggest surprise

I think the biggest reason that they're so surprising though is Chad Holmgren I don't think anybody expected him to be one the most impactful rookies we've seen a long time and like immediately make them an elite defense like and offense right like he really they really put together on both sides of the court

because they have a stretch five that can open up spacing for their two elite driving guards and being an elite ring protector like that that's crazy that's you inject that into a team that already has an all NBA guard and it transforms them as we see and I guess we all just underestimate the impact that would have because chet was a rookie it's hard to assume somebody's going to be this great right away but he very much has been yeah like He is the anchor of their team on defense, by far the best defender. On offense, he helps unlock Shagheros Alexander in so many ways. What do you all see in the chat, Isaac?

Am I scared of ice? Anyways, okay. Yeah, if you take chat out of this team and you replace them with some random ass big, like use of nerchards or something like that, they lose 20 games immediately right now, bro. There are 20 games worse than what they are. maybe 20 is like hyperbole but 15 minimum and that just like shows the impact of chet hungerman just how easy and breathable their offense is she is not i don't want to say he's a different player with such a with someone who takes up a lot of space in the paint but that space is pretty valuable and it also allows like there's like scoring opportunities that that are made because of the spacing that chep provides and also their playmaking opportunities as well it's like he's a whole what are those knives again what are those Swiss Army knife

Swiss Army knife Exactly does a whole lot of amazing shit That's not accounted for It's super useful Yeah I also just didn't know JDA was as good I think I kind of Some reason I don't know what it was

I kind of just like missed the hype with him last year Like I knew he was good I knew he was second and rookie year for a reason And like promising cool young player I wasn't hip to how great he is already He got better this year too So it's not entirely my fault But I just fully slept on him

And his development curve And what he could do to impact this team Because like now they'd legit did have like three big basically have three stars right like they're young and haven't quite had the all-star nod yet to me people realize that but night in night out they play the team that has three stars have that impact from three top guys if i realize that coming to the season i would have thought about them a whole lot differently definitely definitely i agree i can agree with that yeah for me more so like chet was just a crazy wow factor because no one expected

a fucking rookie to come up to come out up off rip and be one of the most valuable players in the really it's crazy yeah i guess i'll do my next team this is probably my biggest surprise of the season and that's the new orleans pelicans having a top five defense in the league while they're starting zionne williamson cjum mccullum brandon ingram and yonis valanchunis the fact that they can start those four players and i have to be four of their top five players and minutes played and they can have a truly elite defense is not even just surprising it's ridiculous and it's ridiculous on the part of withy green for being a fantastic coach And Trey Murphy for being, I think should be in running for six men of the year.

He's not going to be because it's a points per game award. But in terms of impact, he's been the most impactful. Yeah, and game. I agree. He's been one of the most impactful rookies in the league. Their defensive rating is like eight points per game better. I mean, eight points per hundred possessions better with him on the court. And obviously, Larry Nansk fills a lot of the holes defensively that Jones found out

that Jones doesn't bring, all types of things that have to do with their depth that have made it so they can have an elite defense, which I guess I missed the first name of this that it starts and stops with. Her motherfucking Jones is the best perimeter defender in the NBA. I didn't see that coming. I don't know who's going to be that amazing this fast. It's honestly a marvel of coaching that they can be this great of a defense. I see.

We're locked in because the Pelicans were also on my list. Let's go. They were also on my list. They like, I don't, even though that I'm still not like fully bought in, I thought that this team was primed to like miss the playoffs because I didn't think that I didn't think that we could. come into the season and trust Zion Williamson. I didn't think that their core of Zion, CJ, and BI would be able to fit offensively

together because as we've talked about a lot of times before, a lot of times when they've been at their best, either BI or Zion, mainly BI, right, has been missing because Zion's had room to work. And now they've been able to kind of integrate that a little bit more. more use this point Zion thing and like we talked about at the start of the stream they might catch the the clippers for four right they might have home court advantage in the in the first round and so for a team that you look on paper and you're like okay like CJ's good right bi is good but like how does this all work together like how do the pieces fit and they don't

necessarily do but then you watch them and they're one of the they're one of the few teams that our top 10 in offense and defense. Like any other, any other team that's top 10 in offense and defense, we'd look at them and we'd say they are going to make the conference finals. They are, they are one of the elite, elite teams in the NBA. We still don't feel that way about New Orleans for whatever reason, but the fact that they are there in those conversations, right, their stats of backup, everything, everything that they've done throughout the season, that's massive.

And so I, yeah, six months ago, I didn't think we'd be here. First off, before we keep going, Kevin Galicki made an appearance in the Donos. Shout out to Kevin. Oh, he's back? He donated $50. A big 50 from Kevin. He said, what's up, boys?

Just finished all the paperwork, and we break ground on my new home tomorrow. Spam Ws for Kevin. Wow. W. Kevin. He said, trying to show the love, but dono's going to be a little chill for me for a while. Listen, chill out. You're paying for a house.

We got you. We appreciate you. Spam W. Kevin in the chat, y'all. Congratulations. Homeowner. Homeowner. Who, man. Shout to you.

Man's got a mortgage. big adult shit in the chat yeah that's huge dog yeah on the pelicans they're interesting because on one hand they're better defense than I expected despite the talent so that's the big difference of why my evaluation of them was a little bit different

but also they're just they're who I thought they were I knew they'd be a good team I think I picked me like the seven seat or something I knew they'd be extremely competent in a very loaded division so they wouldn't fall out of the top seven or whatever the difference is they've managed to I guess I'd be very competent very on their game and be able to be consistent

while a lot of the teams that we thought would be high up in the standings have just been shit and have fallen off. Warriors, Lakers, Sons, however you feel about the Mavericks, we weren't that high in them coming to the year.

But a lot of marquee teams are marquee talent that have just been shit this year and haven't put together. The Pelicans have made sure that they're, like I said, very competent and we're there to take up that space

in the standings when those guys failed to live up their expectations. Yeah, another thing that helps with all that is having so much depth on their team. Brandon Ingrams out because of a brown bruise that happened when he was going off against the Orlando Magic. You know, hope he gets better, but doesn't really affect how they play on a consistent basis. They've been hooping ever since then still.

Jose Alvarado went ahead, dropped most random 17 points, hit like four threes against the Miami Heat, zapped him out of existence, and then old Siege of a Collins back line up to, and he hit like five threes against the Detroit Pistons, but still, you know what I'm saying? It's the NBA. They went ahead and just decimated them as well. And they've been just on the run overall. And I've been so high on the Pelican throughout the year because of how many interesting pieces that they have alongside that, the draft capital that they have in their back pocket. A lot of people forget that also because of, you know, there's a whole lot of other teams with interesting draft picks, but they still have a lot, too.

And so they're in prime position to make a lot of noise. And this is finally the right step in the right direction now that Zon. Williamson is back fully healthy he's playing some of the best ball that we've seen in years looks just looks like prime Zion Williamson right now health-wise as well with some of the dunks that he's been pulling off we haven't seen hit we haven't seen this type of bounce and just lift in years you know and so year yeah man he's different now he's different now and so I feel really good about it not necessarily preseason surprise but with how I was keeping up with the New Orleans Pelicans and just like looking at their defense and the

scheming and all that definitely a surprise people were spamming hashtag get Kevin on the pod and I get it because Kevin has donated another $50 what he said his home was going to cost almost a million dollars after everything it's $931,000 he said don't ever build your own home y'all buy one let others build them for you heaven relaxed the holes are watching bro that's crazy dude it costs that much to build a house Jesus Christ, I'm never building From scratch, probably We need this answer, Kevin

Where do you live at? Where are you building your house? No, no, no, don't tell people. Give us a general area. Yeah, give us a state. Yeah, don't docks yourself, but like, where is it? That's so much money to build a house, Jesus Christ. Your South East away.

Give us the region. Shout to NV-1271 for donating $10. He said, Between Isaac's video and the Jimmy High Roller video, I have been convinced Luca is being robbed of an MVP this year. one of the greatest statistical seasons of all time and going to end the same amount of wins as 2022 Yokic or 2016 Russ when they won.

I'll address this real quick. He is not being robbed in an MVP. People say he had the same amount of wins as 2022 Yokic or 2016 Russ. That is fucking irrelevant. He's not competing against 2020 Yokic. He's competing against 2024 Yokic who has similar output

but with potentially the one seed. If Luka was in a year where there wasn't a Yokic or a Shea, he would be MVP. The problem is he's competing against people that are also just as statistically amazing. maybe a little bit less so, but still top of the league, while having the team success. So it's not really relevant to how he compares to winners of past years

when those people had a totally weaker field to go against themselves. Yeah, no, I agree with that. I agree with that for sure. He was a surprise on my list. This is a perfect transition, I guess, is like, Luca Dodgers is having such an amazing season, and it's a surprise that this should is just going to go to waste. Technically, you know, it's not going to waste,

but in terms of, like, an all-time season, like you said, And like the comment said also, or the don't know said, it's just one of those shoulders where people like, wow, brush it off your shoulder and it's like, goddamn, this is what happened. We witnessed Joel Embed, he was putting up 35, 11, and 6 or something like that. And Luca Dodgers is averaging 34, 10, and 9. Like, it's just stupid. It doesn't make any sense.

His team has been better as of late up and down throughout the entire season. For regards to the fact, like, this would be in a regular year, like, a sweep of of an MVP you know but the west is the absolute bloodbath and then on top of that yokech exists um and shay is having amazing team success and his team just kind of came out of nowhere so it's like hard to top that when you're just literally in eighth seed yeah and people were saying like what would lucaitha do more to win MVP obviously it's win games the reason he's lower is because the team isn't as good now is that like super fair is it fair to think that that shouldn't be the number one thing?

Yes. It is simplistic, but that's why people are voting someone like Shay or someone like Yokos over him because like I said, they have a better team and have took their team

to a higher level. Is it fair that Luca is being held back for having shittier talent around him? Maybe not, but that's clearly what the answer is there. I don't know how y'all don't, you act like you don't understand that.

Also, we go into every year, for the last three years, we've gone into the season saying, to win MVP like it I I never feel like Luca's being robbed because going into every season he's seen as one of the favorites to get the award like people want Luca to get the MVP at the start of the year things just happened right and like last year last year they missed the playing right so even when he was having great numbers last year you still had a lack of team

success I think going into next season now that they made these now that they made these trades got everything right situated with the front court you got a little bit more talent now let's see what that looks like over a full season to get the MVP but yeah i don't think he's being robbed by any means it's not because again if it was like remember that year devon booker was fourth because he had the one seed if it was a year like that where like there was a and that was a force yeah that was force as fuck so like if it was if it was tatum being MVP this year then luke good being robbed but yokech is going to win it while also having one of the best offensive seasons of all time like every prime yoke season is

so it's not that he's losing it to someone that's just winning because they have more games it's they're exceptional and they win games that's the difference is that like both matter to all the eaters out there we do not fucking make the rules we're going off of what happens what has happened in the past we don't have we don't we don't we're not like over here creating our own nears or whatever this is just good opinions based off of what has happened in the past? It's just a hypothesis, bro. And in my mind, correct one.

And people are saying, like, and we're saying that a team success shouldn't be part of it. Yes, it should. It's part of it. Should it be as much as people wait for? Maybe not. I'm with you that, like,

maybe it's a little too much. But there's a reason people care about that, and you should probably look at yourself and be like, does team success not matter or am I just a luke fan and I want it to not matter this time? You know, like, is it my agenda that makes me think this,

or should it actually be relevant? Because reality is, it should be a balance of both. It's not a narrative. to say that the player who wins games is more valuable. It's the fact that winning is the point, and if you have to be exceptional and win, when somebody's doing both.

Yes, and like, listen, people, we had a stretch where people were talking about, like, oh, Tatum's getting robbed for MVP. He's not getting robbed for MVP, and I'm going to take that to transition real quick, because apparently the subjects were by 30 today, and they blew the lead, and the Hawks are now up with seven minutes to go.

They went by 30 on the Hawks, and the Hawks are now winning 105 to 101. Did Dante Murray, my Seattle King? I had to shine light. Listen, we hate on the Hawks a lot. This is an epic collapse if the Celtics can't pull this out. That's the playoffs already. And Derek White's now playing two.

Hold on. No, no Derek White, no, no Drew Holiday. But they still, but they still have Brown Tatum, Pozingus, and Horford. And they scored 44 points in the first quarter. getting outscored by 10 in the fourth quarter right now this is not looking at I missed it Kevin donated another $50

he said he lives in Massachusetts worry about your mortgage fan I'm about the bad Kevin from donating thank you though Kevin appreciate you very much thank you thank you thank you he said it's a four bedroom six bathroom house in Massachusetts on seven acres of woods

Jesus fucking Christ God damn thought of you went you were on those neck of woods bro and you saw them prices you weren't you were in a fan of God damn I was not in the woods in Massachusetts

That's not where I was at Here around Back to the Luca conversation real quick I think what you guys Although I've seen just people in the fans In the comments talking about it I think Luca isn't the running For best player in the world

I agree with you guys Like he has been In the same conversation With Janus, Embed and Yokic As best player in the NBA this year I think we need to put him in those conversations Those four guys any given year Can be number one

That's a different conversation in MVP. Whether you like it or not, MVP is a mixed success and individual talent, and you can be the best player in the world or arguably the best player in the world and not be the MVP that season. 2018, James Harder won MVP. Nobody was mad at it. Nobody would tell you James Hardin was a better player than LeBron James that year. It's not one in one. Like, Luca, for what MVP means to a majority of voters, majority of people, he doesn't fit the description this year unless the fucking thunder and nuggets fall off a cliff.

Wow. Is this the Isaac G show? Friday because that was a great yap off oh my goodness same thing I just talked about on the Isaac G show yeah someone said I think Shay is my MVP right now

but Luke deserves it if he gets out of the play in listen I get it getting out of the plan is not moving majority of voters when Yokic has a one seed yeah exactly also aren't the votes

gonna be decided by then I don't be sure it's a regular season it's a regular season well no no he means get out of the play and like get it to a top six seed oh get out of the play

I'm like oh okay I see. Yeah, I'm not. Still, with how they're positioned are right now, yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, I mean, they're tied for seven and eight, half a game out of six,

so they can very much get the six seed. That wouldn't be the thing that changes my mind, you know? Yeah. Yeah, a last minute burst to the sixth seed, in my opinion, doesn't do enough. You need to show that level of consistency throughout the entirety of the season, from what I see. Yeah, the Nuggets are going to have like 57 wins

and the Mavs, like, 46. or whatever it is. Like, it's going to be pretty sizable. Yeah, it's lopsided. Who's up next? Who's the next for the... I got it. I got it.

Donovan is next, yep. Yeah. The Orlando Magic are on my list. Not only, not only are the magic currently, let me double check this, fighting for the four seed, right? Potentially could get the four if the next don't close out, whatever. Yep. But they also have the third.

best defense in the league and they are locking people up night in and night out they have had a somewhat down season in terms of shooting from franz wagner they've had they've had some injury issues markelle fultz palibank care doesn't even want to want to pass him the ball whenever he's wide open but it doesn't matter because jonathan isaacic has come back this year he's been just like ridiculous level of defender jalen suggs is a amazing right they they they I thought I thought that they were going to be good I did not think that they were going to be this good defensively that they were going to be this good at the top of the of the conference like they're they're legit and I think that they are set up

where like if they make one move to get some more offense into that lineup they can legitimately be at the top of the like top three of the conference moving forward especially with especially with Paolo and France and France taking steps forward they have in my eyes right now one of the best infrastructures in the Eastern Conference. I was not expecting to see that

from the Magic this year. Yeah, I predicted they'd be the 80 coming here and I thought I was like, I'm telling you man, the Magic can be good, listen to me, I'm ahead of the curve. They're better than I thought. Five C's impressive. Oh my God. I fucking love this. Two things. Jonathan Isaac

has, he's a monster, he's been a monster since he was in college at fs u a lot of people thought that he would be like the next kevin durand that was a very well thing going on in the NBA back then and turns out he turns into a completely different monster yeah they called him the next kevin right because it's 611 skinny who could dribble and had a little bit of nobody smart thought that shit yeah exactly i know i mean fucking unless you think ESPN people were smart they're spamming the fuck out of that bro but um turn into a completely different monster defense has been he's one of the in my opinion one of the like seven eight best defenders in the NBA and all that

just as less like sheer ability along with his size and how he can move like some of the things that I see him do on defense I can only see fucking Janus Rudy Gober and Chet do combination of those guys and that's absolutely insane because he's the frailess of those and also well I guess Chet is there so maybe he's not for regards to the fact absolute menace defensively and also double down on it during the during one of our off season episodes i said something super obscure i was like yo if jailing sucks can shoot like 35% from three that will change so much with this team because they're that in the dirt this season he's shooting 39% from three yeah although yes they they still aren't a great shooting team at all one of the worst offenses in the NBA still but him

Just showing that, showing some life on that end, not only changes the trajectory of him in his career, but also this entire team. And they aren't so reliant on, okay, Marquille, folks, can you please suck up like one, three a game for us, or Franz Wagner or Paula McKeery? Can you be the best shooter on our team? No, because Jielsen has that into his game, and he's so versatile, flexible, and invaluable to this team. And I'm just talking on, I'm just talking about his three-point shot.

The offense is insane. defense is absolutely ridiculous and that's where he hangs his hell on also. No, Jenison sucks is incredible, like you said. It changed the team like you predicted. It changed them completely. They needed that spacing. We talked about early in the year,

like where the fuck is a shooting coming from? Part of it came from him, and he's been able to be a big part of keeping them afloat. I think Jonathan Isaac is top five defender in the league. If he played full time, he would be in DPO-Y conversations every year. His body just apparently can't handle it. But easily one of the most impactful defenders

I've ever fucking seen. like honestly his health has robbed us of seeing one of the greatest defenders of all time I think if he never got hurt he would have been on remember like 2018 before he got hurt the first time he was making that leap and people were like oh he's going to win d p o'i next year and then his legs fell off like three years in a row but like it was clear he was going to be one of the best defenders in the league he would have had an all-time great defensive ceiling if none of the injuries ever happened that's a damn shame let's catch up on donos real quick envy 1271 donated five dollars He said, y'all convinced me by the Luka MVP

officially changed my pick to the Nassas. Respect. Congratulations. Raxil's $1. Raxil sent $1. He said, would y'all be surprised if Luka wins? I'm curious. Yeah.

I wouldn't be mad at it, but I'd be surprised just given what voters value. I'd be very surprised if Luka won the MVP. Yeah, very surprised. Caden tipped $1. He said, Kevin, at this point, just build a fucking castle, man. Oh, God. bags, man, build a castle, Kevin.

Momo tip $2. Momo tip $2. She said, Kevin, you're making this look bad. Isaac banned this man from giving you money. Facts. Put up a Kevin on the ban list. Yeah, exactly. And Kevin did donate another $20. He said, why do people hate Boston fans, honestly? Is it just because all Boston teams have a great history

except the Red Sox? Because the annoying and racist fans are such a lot minority. Don't put us all in that group of losers. It's a mix of both, you know, historical racism plus historical winning. It's hilarious, bro. I tweeted out something. something about Jason Tatum like two weeks ago or whatever and then this Boston Celtics fan

page I'm gonna show y'all right now it's so random he just DM me he was like you fell off and then he sent me he didn't this to me right now what do you mean by this what do you mean by fell off what have I done and he sent me an uncle ruckus that's hilarious this is why this is why, right? Like, this is, this is why people, people get upset. This is his page. Why? That's hilarious. Oh, bro. Del Soled a $3. She said, do you think Fultz is going to be the piece that gets shipped out to upgrade the magic? I think he'll get shipped out, but not necessarily to upgrade. Nobody wants Fultz. But I do think he'll get shipped out, yes. I agree. Send him to the Washington Wizards. All right. That's the end of our, that's the end of our big surprises of the year. Next thing we're going to do.

There's been this viral thing on Twitter where people can type in things about your game and it'll give you your NBA player comp. We're going to do the for all three of us. We're going to see who our NBA player comps are. Okay, let's go. Let me find, who, Legend of Winning tweeted it, right? Let me find the link.

Oh, God. You went ahead and tweeted it. Let me scroll down his page and find it. So while you're scrolling down, Donovan, you have the best perspective on all of our games because you've seen me play before. I'm assuming you've seen Isaac play before, right?

Yes, of course. And so we're pretty much going to be leaning on you to help us keep us accountable. Oh, the link is broken. No way. Is there too many users? Aw, it says too many users. This application has exceeded its quota

of concurrent users. Please try again later. No! They've cooked our rollout. What the hell? Damn. Fix your goddamn sight. They just lost out on a massive opportunity.

I'll keep trying to refresh it. It happens if more than 100 people are using it at once, so maybe we'll get lucky over the next 10 minutes or so. Okay. Did you guys do this already? No, I never did it. Colin Porter, happy birthday, Cohen. Good job.

No, I haven't done it yet. I've just seen it. Listen, we'll come back to this at the end then. For the next thing we'll do, we put up a Q&A on Twitter, where we told you guys to come in and drop Q&As we're going to do it as part of the show so we've got this whole plan for the show today

we're going to do the Q&A right now so we'll take some from chat as well because you guys are here but we'll go through Twitter and chat so if you spam your questions the more likely we're going to look at them so get them in there we're going to go one at a time one Twitter one comments let's do it first one who are your locks

to make all defense this year locks should be Herb Jones Jalen Suggs and then I guess the defensive player of the year, Rudy Gaubert. Yeah, Gobert and Herb Jones are locks. Suggs is a lock. I think Caruso is probably a lock? A lock?

Caruso, yeah. A lock? He has that reputation, but the Bulls are ass, and so I don't know if... Well, I mean, it's all deep, but it's not MVP. Yeah, no, but I don't know if it's... I don't know if it's... Okay, would you guys have, do you guys have your camera is super dark? Can you scoot up, Mo?

No, Yanna, I don't think Yonis is a lot. No, Yonis is not a lot. The Bulls have the 19th best defense in the entire NBA. That's like really ass. These are DPOY conversations. It doesn't matter. Yeah, I know they're DPOY conversations, but like I'm pretty sure voters won't go ahead and like, oh, this guy and, you know what I'm saying, the team's like, meh, defensively.

I think that that has to matter. Does that? Yeah, for all defense. this isn't d p oi you can get in with the mediocre team defense yeah so is mohembe is when me getting in there because if that's the case then wembe should be in these he could he could i don't know if he's a lock i don't know if he's a lock though yeah i don't know if he's a lock but he can definitely get in but like chat yeah chat right now is saying wemby they're saying derrick white yeah yeah it's a good good pick yeah i think i think in terms of there's two locks

and that would be Herb Jones and Gobert and then everybody else is up for debate if people go in it. They honestly need to add a third all-defensive team. It doesn't make sense why there isn't a third all-defense team when we have three teams for like everything. We're expanding the all-star game or people are trying to, you know, expand the off-star rosters

and stuff like that. We should do that. We should get a third team there. Okay. I agree. Let's see. Let's get a question from spam now. I mean, well, I said that all wrong. A question from chat now.

Let's see. Would y'all ever consider doing podcasts for other sports or leagues? Donovan, would you ever consider doing another sport chat? I mean, another sport pot. I can't talk. Potentially. That is something that is in the works. Not like a full show, but content for other sports and stuff like that.

something that we're working on so yeah there's there you go stay tuned stay tuned is Anthony Edwards the best shooting guard in league this season behind Donovan Mitchell I mean

Devin Booker exists yeah so who is Anthony Edward second behind Devin Booker is or is Donovan Mitchell second who that's tough I'm gonna give it to aunt De Mitch has done some

amazing raising for the caps and I don't want to diminish that what aunt has been able to do on both ends of the floor might give him the nod for me and I think I would take that over kind of like the gap in in playmaking and passing that dimit chas over over aunt I think yeah I think I would take it this year someone that chas had no way we're still praising book this highly my god just because you're bored of devon booker does not mean he's gotten worse he's been incredible The team sucks. He's playing point guard.

Honestly, making a good amount of change his game and sacrifice to make the team work, being the point guard there, and he's still phenomenal. People are just bored, and his team isn't that great, so you're not thinking about him. It's so hard deciding who's the best shooting guard in the league.

I generally don't know because Donovan Mitchell did take a certain leap within his game that we haven't seen before. Devin Booker's been elite for fucking years, and he's been the best shooting guard for the last few years. So it's like so weird to just write him off and say, nope, he's number two, when Anthony Edwards just arrived and his defense dusted him apart from the two,

I just might lean Devin Booker still because I just, it's hard to go ahead and look at him and what he's done over the last few years, including this season, which is still very elite, playing making good. His shot hasn't gone anywhere and he is not the best defender in the world, but he has still made improvements over the last few years. I think I'd comfortably lead Devin Booker's way still. Yeah, and if you kind of as a point guard this year, then I'm going DeMitch.

I think it's very fair to pick Anthony Edwards. The defensive difference is real. I just think DeMitch is one of the most underrated offensive players in the league. He's an electric lead guard that has better playmaking people realize and like a true three levels of score in like in top of the league in all three categories. Yeah, that's fair. And with Ant too, there's also like he's been great at some moments. There's a little bit of like consistency stuff that I would want to see him. improve on next year to just be a little bit more solid more than time offensively but

yeah yeah i could take that so like moments like last night he was going against the golden state warriors and late in the game i think was in two or three within two or three minutes whatever he was seeing doubles pretty much all night and the second that he had an opportunity to go iso whatever when i'm with another player he chucked up like the most random ass three pointer and airballed that bitch now my calling when i did will go ahead and save the game for them but a shit like that where it's like i don't know if i can crown him number one or number two yet but he could comfortably be like number three and when i had deb what's his name donovan mitchell higher than him in my top 30 player rankings everybody was cooking my ass but you know i still stand

ten toes to that other day next question from the chat gabel mccain says is yannis the greatest rim finisher of all time Obviously, your first instinct is going to say, no, it's Shaq or whoever, or LeBron, whatever. Yannis is in the conversation. I'm not going to lie. Yonis is, when he comes to create off the dribble, being able to, you know, catch and pick and roll, all the versatility, the ways you finish, transition, half-quart, everything. Yonis is certainly in the conversation. He deserves to be in the conversation, for sure.

He shoots routinely what in the paint, like 65, 70% or something. In the 70s for sure. Yeah, like, he's definitely in the conversation. But if Zion Williamson gets his act here on a consistent basis over the next few years, he will be in those conversations. Oh, great. Relax. Relax. Wow.

Put me on our train, Z. He would, listen, Yonis, he's in the conversation. We would talk about him first. And then I think we would start talking about the debate of Shaq LeBron. I think those two are the ones where it's like you have Shaq just completely dominating, being able to get whatever he wants. right being able to get position down low as easy as possible and then lebron who there's people can you got people literally pulling him by his shoulders in the pain in transition he's still going to be able to finish he's that strong like you could say yonis is a mix of both as a room finisher

yeah how do you feel i i've always felt that and maybe i don't know i have to have to go back and watch i feel like lebron has better touch around the room than yonis i do think that yonis his touch around the rim is a little bit underrated. For sure. But I think that LeBron does have better touch around the room. So I think I would still take him. I don't know. Yeah, that's a hard.

I've never thought about that. But listen, the fact that Janus is an all-time great score and a high-efficient 30 points per game with no jump shot, should tell you something in the modern NBA that like his rim finishing is so dominant. He can survive without a jump shot entirely, something we don't really see, especially at this level. That should tell you something. guys the hawks are going to win

the hawks are going to win 120 to 116 oh my goodness should I go ahead and DM this Celtics account or should I have people on the stream like spam these guys guys go ahead spam this account l please for me we just look wait hold on

before I look like a fool are we seriously going to win right now there's nine seconds left there are up by four nine okay two seconds left and we're up by four I think we might do it Shout out to JRM for donating $1 Unbiased Gooner for donating $5

And Kevin And Kevin I'm looking for donating another $15 Appreciate you Kevin Listen I will tell you When the game is final final Okay Anyways in the meantime

We got the comparisons working now We can do our player comps Oh my goodness And we'll get back We'll back to Q&A after So quick break from Q&A NBA player coms Somebody made this

There is 90,000 views on it Jesus, this is going crazy on Twitter. Shout out to Sravan NBA. He's been going nuts with this. Who wants to go first? I want to do your comp first, Donovan? Sure. No, let's do yours first, Isaac.

Let's do mine last, but it'll be the funniest. It'll be the funniest. No, let's do yours first. Too late. Look at him. What the hell? This guy. Domben.

So, oh, you can't see it. Okay. Let me. Yeah, no. I actually did mine. Mine was hilarious. I don't know if it would come up with the same thing, but it was exactly who you think.

mine is as somebody who's terrible okay Donovan on a scale one to one hundred how often do you shoot the ball uh probably probably like I don't see like a 45 okay not a volume shooter yeah 45 really I honestly I honestly don't shoot that much I again I've I've just recently gotten back like into playing a little bit more consistently and so like recently it's as of late it's probably at like 30 but like whenever I was playing a lot I wasn't taking a lot of shots it would it would really just depend on the game so I say 45 team player I want someone like Donovan on my team how skilled of a pull-up three-point shooter are you pull-up pull-up has always been a shot that I want to work on that I thought was

in my bag but wasn't we'll put that like a 35 35 okay how often do you have the ball your hands probably around like 40 like 40 45 also mode the game is now final the hawks won 120 to 118 whew after this we're gonna go ahead chat i need you to raid this motherfucker's bms and just spam you lost to the hawks l and chat while we're doing this chat i want you guys to spam up who you think donovan's match is going to be who do you think is donovan's player comp spam me in the chat right now we'll see by the end let's see if you see who's right spam the likes Spam everything. Keep it going.

How turnover prone are you? Like 20. I don't turn the ball over. Same. You can't turn it if you don't have the ball. Exactly. How good is your perimeter defense on the ball? So, someone says Smush Parker.

55. Okay. How active of a help defender are you? Probably a 60. okay how often do you drive to the basket probably a 55 60 okay you're just like mad you're mad neutral on everything i need you to have some fucking defining i'll say 70 on that one donovan i feel you say 70

well okay again like if i'm playing if i'm playing three on okay yeah if i'm playing three on three which is what i play the most we can actually turn that to like a 70 event okay get you some defining characteristics in there yeah Up to the next category. How skilled of a finisher are you? 65. Okay.

How skilled of a spot-up three-point should are you? 60. Okay. That's your shit. How willing of a passer are you? Willing?

I'm like an 80. I'm going to give myself 100 on that because all I do. I'm very okay. How much? you contribute to your team's offense overall? 70. You mean back screening, how you move off the ball.

75. We'll go 75. I do, because I do set screens a lot. Like, I like to screen and move. Active body. We like that. Okay. How good is your defense in the passing lanes?

60. Okay. You're active. All right. Jalen Brown. Yeah, Wembe and this bitch? How skilled of an offensive rebounder? Zero.

I'm not getting offence. I'm not getting I'm not getting I'm not getting You never caught one in your life No Listen I will post I will box out

My box outs Are so that somebody else Can come in and get rebounds Offensive rebounds One every two weeks I'm not I'm not doing that If we're playing full court

If we're playing full court I'm running to the other side Don't ask me To do it How often do you post up three on three like a 70 wow

70 I do like I do like I do like to post out okay one more category one more row how skill of a mid range shooter are you like 80 85 this is what I do this is bad chat

this is what I do how skill that you are creating your own shot probably 50 it depends on the matcher how versatile of a passer are you honestly like a 65 this is a great question versatility

that is yeah I've honestly never thought about my versatility as a passer but like I can I can make I also I think that I try some passes that I know

should be there so I'll go 65 look if someone's spamming up Kyle guy Glenn Davis Kyle guy someone said you're shaving up to be mellow

you said weight bro's mellow that's what he wants to be look at that fucking pillow behind him He wants me, though. I'm going to love nothing more. How often do you guard the other team's best player? Like a 20.

It's a zero for me. Yeah, I'm not getting the best player. I can guard twos and threes, right? Secondary matchups, I can do that. So is that you're Zach Eadie if you weren't tall? Just a bum. That's hilarious. Small and slow.

That's so good. How skilled of a rip protector are you? I'm not. different in the room you can put that at a at a five five might as well do zero not not zero right i do come and help but i'm not i'm not going i'm not roaring hybrid i'm not going up vertical you know what i'm saying

verticality how else killed of a defensive rebounder are you i'm not a rebounder you can put that at 10 damn i'm not a rebounder all right that's everything you are chris middleton from 2017 That's not bad. That's a, wow. That's low-key Diet Mello, so I get it.

Diet Mello that keeps the ball moving. That's not bad, and I will take that. Every star player's dream, Donovan. I will gladly take that. Did your number two similarity score was Monsa B. Elisa? Okay, that could drop off from hell. That did Ralu Nettoe and Matthew Tova. Listen, best case scenario, when everything is working,

you could do a lot worse than 2016, 2017, Chris Middleton. So, okay. Nomazza be elites on your bad days. Somebody said Tyreek out without the speed. Just a bad guy. Oh. We'll go Mo next. That's all right.

So we can speed through a little faster. How often do you shoot the ball? I would say 70% of the time. Okay. How scale of a three-point shooter? Oh, pull-up three-point shooter are you? Pull-up, I'll say 80. Maybe 90.

80? Oh, 90? Okay, Steph Curry. That's in his bag. That's in his bag. Fuck, let's go 90 then. That's fucking you. How often do you have the ball on your hands? I'll say 60. I like to play off ball at times.

It depends so I'm playing with, but I'm very versatile. Okay. So I'm going to see you're about to get Joe Ingalls. Oh, I love that. he's one of my favorite role players he's sick 2017 Joe Ingalls how turnover prone are you someone's Donovan's black Duncan Robinson

How turn over prone are you I'll say 50 maybe 40 50 it is Mo thinks he's dame I'm like that How good is your perimeter defense on ball when I'm not tired that bitch could be an 80

but when I'm tired could be a 50 so let's go in the middle let's say like 65 how active of a help defender are you I'm in them lanes like a motherfucker

I would say 80 I'm in them lanes I'm going to be Kauai I'm 80 but I'm not lying how often do you drive to the baskets I'll say like 40

okay He's going to be Mikkel Bridges. How skilled of a finisher are you? I'll say 60 when I want to finish, 60. Okay. How skill of a spot-up shooter are you?

I'm like a 90. This is what I do. This is my value. Shooter. How active of a passer are you? I'm very active. I'm like a 70. It's just amazing.

Yeah, I love moving that. Pick and roll. I'm dead. You're fucking Larry. bird yeah no i study try young bro how much you contribute to your team's offense overall hunt it i'm moving i'm always doing something i do not have cement you're an idiot i'm running off screens i'm setting back screens i'm just yapping on the court at all times that's such like an anthony edwards answer it's on it i'm not lying how good is your defense in the passing

lanes i'm being honest it's like a 70 i have a 6 4 wingspan bro i use it to i use it for use i'm i'm 7 he thinks he's a demi got 2k biller you might got to shut up how skilled of an offensive rebounder are you i could say like 50 70 he's like 35 i'm on jubbin how often do you post up oh that's like a 30 depends Posting up. Okay. How skill of a mid-range shooter are you? I would say I'm like a 60.

I could operate in that lane. I don't like to, but I can operate in it. How skill that you are creating your own shot? I would say 65, 70. What do you think, Donovan? I'll go closer to 60. Okay. You know 60.

How versatile of a passer are you? I'm like an 80. I can't I just can't wait I can talk to the log man bro we'll see how often do you guard the other team's best player 100 I mean I'm

I'm typically the biggest and the quickest dude usually or I have the good mix of both so I'll say 90 yeah that's fair if we were playing you would certainly be guarding the best player if it was us three playing through on three yeah usually I'm just like most average defender I'd be sitting in the corner garden and whatever the shitter is

The shitter How skilled of my protector are you? I'm good at defense Or blocking shots too I'll say 70 I gotta see you hoop I gotta record it How skilled of a defense rebounder are you

I mean I'm a 60 I don't necessarily like to crash the boards But I'm a 60 Okay The grand reveal y'all Spam it up Who do you think he is Someone's saying

Well just playoff Jimmy Butler. Someone said Josh Giddy, don't ever just... Bogdan Bogdanovich. Seconds Rudy Gay. This man is a hawk through and through. There we go.

But after that, we got Desmond Bain and then Rudy Gay and Paul George, who's definitely what you were looking for. You're definitely for Paul George here. Oh, okay. I like the Desmond Bain comparison right there, for sure. Bogdan gives me a lot of confidence, though.

I would say my defense is hell of a lot better than Bogdons, Not in, like, real-life comparison, but you know what I mean. Yeah, yeah. I think Paul George makes sense for how you like to play. Yeah, I grew up. Paul George is my favorite player growing up outside of a little bit. I've seen one video of you playing against Rusty, and I could definitely see the Paul George influence.

Exactly. Exactly, bro. I agree. I forget that video exists on the Internet. That's so funny. Yeah, it was what you do. Rusty versus Moja 99. Hooping on YouTube is there.

Yeah, skip to the middle of the video, and you'll see me play against Rusty buckets. it's my only footage on YouTube alright my turn time to see the worst player in the NBA y'all I am not good at basketball

I grew up playing football I am not good how often you shoot the ball I never ask various positions 25 25 you think the don't even yeah

yeah do you're there or what I don't even know I don't I don't shoot very often so I'm not a dribbler I can't dribble the problem is I can't dribble that's my biggest weakness

is I have no handle so really limits me I got a spot up and cut and shit I have no handle That's my biggest problem Because I didn't grow up Learned that muscle memory So you can't

It's hard to learn that as a fucking adult So it's tough Someone predicted that you'd be Pepe Sanchez Would it be The worst Would it be the worst person Look how Carver works

That's crazy Hell skilled of a Pullup 3 point shooter I don't have a fucking pull up I can spot up a little bit Pull up absolutely not I'm zero You don't have a pull up to memory

Zero To three, no, I actually have a decent pull-up mid-range shot. It's hard for me to get to because they can't dribble. But if I'm standing around, we're playing horse, I'll mid-range the fuck out of you for playing horse. Okay, now we're talking. There we go. But the handle makes it hard, but I don't have pull-up few-point range. Has he pulled?

How often you have the ball in your hands? Not much. I go 20. Okay. Just because when I'm normally playing, nobody's going to want to, like, I can't be like, don't mean the high post. I can pass if you cut. No one's fucking doing that.

So I'm just going to be spotting up. I'm going to involve you in this offense Isaac when you play I can set some heavy screens I can do that I'll pick a roll I'll throw some short row passes how turnover prone are you why don't dribble so zero nice

I'm not throwing turnovers so I'm not having ball hands how good is your perimeter defense on ball I have decent hands but I'm short so like I don't have I can't guard like I can't guard Mo he's so much taller than me it's gonna be hard for me stay in front of them. You can be an annoyance, though.

You can be like Jose Alvarado on defense. Can you move your feet? That's the bigger question. I think good enough. I'm not like amazing. I'll go 40. That's good. That's all that matters.

That's all that matters. Yeah. How active of a help defender? Probably 60. Am I an effective help defender? Because my size, probably not. But I'll rotate. I'll move around.

It's not acting how effective you are. I'll move around. I got the IQ, but is it going to be effective? Who knows? Okay. I've had zero turnovers. I'm going to go to, 10 because I pass the ball a little bit I'm a good pass here but so I'll go 10 on

oh they said they said zero means your turnover prone and a hundred means not much oh really oh that's a stupid way to do it okay okay so I'll go 90 then I'm glad somebody caught that weird so that might be why yours is more like bogdan or something why like yeah that that that fucked up mode I was like yeah yeah that's why you got bog done you're probably more Paul George. How often do you drive to the basket? So I'm always spotting up. I'm good at attacking closeouts. I can do that because it doesn't require like creating off

the dribble. So I'd say 50 because I'm either spotting up or I'm attacking and I do a lot of passing out of that but I drive a lot. I just don't shoot out of it a lot. So I'll go 60. They said Latino Mugsy Bowls. Mugsy's way better on ball than me. Mugsy has a handle. Mugsy can create a shot.

Someone said Water boy for real. Water boy for all. They're spamming at Oh, fuck. Isaac's more of a vet presence. You don't as haslam in this bitch? It's the overall 2K build. Health skilled of a finisher, 40.

Actually, I have a pretty good floater, but I obviously am not, like, going up against the trees. Like, I can make a layup. I'm open, but I'm not taking contested layups. Okay. So I guess I'll go, like, 45. Hell's skill of a spot-up three-point shooter are you?

Fucking 40. really yeah I say you're not warm in the real life and I'm like this is not as as you've been describing

are you think it's better or worse are you saying I should make it better or worse I think it's better I think it's a 50 at minimum

like you're like you're fucking Andre Robertson in this bitch you're not I got myself on 40 not a 10

I can shoot fine enough but I'm not like a great shooter I'll go 50 I also haven't played really since 2021 so like right now

I'd be a terrible shooter but like if I played more maybe decent how willing active a passer Barry that's all I want to do is fucking pass

90 I'm actually 100s all I want to do I don't want to score all I want to do is pass how much you contribute to your team's offense not much

I'll go 30 telling me you have the same offensive use as just PJ Tucker if I play pickup just a random people yes if it was like us three playing

and we were smart about how to get the most out of me it would be more because I'd be sending screens passing and stuff but on like an average pickup game. I'm not doing shit because I'm not going to fucking explain myself of like okay I can do this really

well if we play through this that's not happening. I'll go 45 because if we played I'd do a little more how good is your passing lane defense I don't fucking 20 I don't know low we're gonna have to get together we're gonna have to practice like we can't we got to show up to these events

with plays ready to go so no TD3 walks onto that court you're in trouble how skill of a mid-range shooter I'll stick it to 60 I can't really get to it in 5B-5 settings but I think 3-3-3 I could do a little bit from the mid-range

How skill are you Yeah 3-3 definitely I'm much better 3-3 than 5-5 How skill are you creating your own shot Not At all How versatile how versatile a pass-in-high If I can't really dribble

Not very versatile I honestly still think that like You're above average Yeah I have some mean balance passes in my bag. I would, your, your ability, I'd like, and you've been saying it, when you get to the high post, you can make a lot of those passes. So I would say like 70, 75.

Okay, yeah, I can pass. There we go. Especially in a three on three setting. Yeah, you can, you can, I'm diving you. I've only got two people to look at. I'm going to see everything. Yeah. How often do you guard the other team's best player?

Absolutely never. Hell, skill of her protector. Yeah, I'm out of your blocking shots, I'm sure. Defensive rebounder. I mean, I'll box out and chase the board. It's fine enough, so I guess I go 30, but offense rebounds. That's great. That's great.

My player comparison is Duncan Robinson. I am nowhere near a good enough shooting to be Duncan Robinson. Okay. How skill was put this down to 30. Refresh. I am not Duncan Robinson. It still says Duncan. Wow.

Okay, who's under Duncan Robinson? Joe Meeks, Chris Duarte. Glenn Robinson. I did this earlier. I got Matthew Dolva. I did it earlier today. I got Matthew Delvadova. That was more accurate.

Okay. Yeah, maybe that was more accurate. Alan Crabb? What a name. 2019, 2020. Not bad. Alan Crabb is not bad. Chris Duarte.

Someone said, bro, you are him. Holy shit. I might be Chris Duarte. If Chris Duarte could pass. Chris Duarte is like an in theory shooter who's like very consistent. That might be Chris Duarte. This is all very generous.

Luke Conard, I wish. Devin Harris. Oh, wait, this is 2023, Duncan Robinson. This is when he sucked. So maybe that's fair. Oh, shit. Damn. This is a last of Duncan Robinson before he got good again.

Oh, that changes a lot. Damn. Maybe it's fair. That fashion is different, though. So many. If we had a pull-up game, it would be Paul George, Chris Middleton, and Duncan. we can do so great team that's a great team really I'm not running off a

screen like Duncan though I'm gonna be in the corner just I'm ready I'm ready I'd run I'd run shout to Tyrone King who donated $40 just now he said first stream I'm loving it appreciate you Tyrone welcome to the stream I y'all that's the end of the comparisons we can get back to the Q&A section now the we're doing before below it to a no Yes, Eric, we would go 82 and O. Absolutely. I do believe in the next section.

I believe in our ability to do that. Spam this account. Hawks win L. Hawkswin L. You're moving your phone. I can't see the name of it. All right, let me go ahead and stop shaking. Spam this number.

It's invigorating right now. I feel it in my veins. Y'all go ahead and screenshot that. Do your business real quick, hop back in this live or whatever, and then we'll continue, bro. There we go. Y'all do your business. Thanks.

That's great that they lost that. Back to the Q&A. This is a good question. Which future song is Donovan walking out to at his wedding? Now, I don't know if he means future the rapper or like a future song. So I don't know. Let's say it's future Hendrix. It's a future song.

Which one are you choosing to walk out to? Fresh air? Let's see. Incredible? It's got me some Hendrix shit. It does. Incredible. It's incredible.

It's incredible. Or fresh air. He's like, I'm a need. I think it'll probably be fresh air. If I was doing a Hendon, it would be fresh air. My favorite future song

is news or something. And so I can just have to instrument. It's hard. I would just have the instrumental of that. Wow. Just instrumental. Did I put you on a new something? I feel like I remember playing that in the car a lot.

And you were like, oh, shit. I was like, is amazing. Yeah. I remember like 2019. That was one of the rare future song. There was two,

there's like two songs because Isaac, like, I'm not a trap music fan at all. Isaac was, is and was a fan of it. And so I remember that there's two times where I asked Isaac to play a song where he was like,

oh, you, you want this? I asked him to play news or something, and then I asked him to play, I forget the actual name of the song, but, Puscii song and back in blood yes yes yes I remember I asked you to play that and you're like oh okay I guess

I was it security I keep my own fire in the club I was like oh my god it's like this is the best thing ever get that shit in blood I was like, do you know what this? Bro, who should I see was an arrow? Next, let's see. It's got a question from the chat now. Why is something? How do y'all feel about Jalen Green right now? Is he starting to show he is an all-star level player?

All-star level player, maybe. I'm a, I'm going to need to see it a little bit longer. But is he showing he can be a good player? Yes, I think. That's all that matters. I agree. awesome is a bit much i think like you need to show consistent flashes and more than just like a two three week span of you going crazy if we can get this um from jalen green in march

in october and january just give it two more times throughout the season maybe i can start to see like one or two all-star appearances but i i can wait on that right now okay who is better Father Jalen Green or Ramadan Kyrie Wow that's tough I was gonna say Ramadan Kyrie just off a name but Father Jalen Green is putting up some Father Jalen Green is like a priest That was a great name

Father Jalen I like the I've seen Father Jalen Forgive me Father Jalen Forgive me I'm gonna Ramadan Karee only because The shot that he made is the crazy...

It's one of the, like, three crazy shots I've ever seen. A left-hand running hook is ridiculous for game. From 25 feet. Exactly. I lean that way, too. In honor of Jalen Green, who is y'all's favorite Lynn Sanity-type runs of all time? Listen, I wasn't going to call it Linsanity run,

but this guy's making that stretch. Who's had the best Linsanity runs besides Lynn? Can I say Tyrese Halliburton in the first two seasons of the month? Just kidding, no. Yeah, if I want me to boost you from this live. I want to go ahead and say my favorite is, I always referenced this once in a while on the pod. Trey Burke back when he was in New York, Nick, and he had the whole AI thing going on being his literal twin back in, what, 2019 or 2018? That was a Wednesday, you're in.

That's my thing. That shit was hard as hell. You know, mine is? What's that? First one I think about, last year's Mikhail Bridges post-trade. Oh, he fooled you like a motherfucker. I remember that, yeah. He fooled you.

You remember you voted him? We did a toss small forage. You put him above Brandon Ingram. And I was like, listen, I'm going to listen, but I ain't go that far. He fooled me. Let's see, Trey Burke. No, Trey Burke had a crazy run. There was like a couple months stretch where I was like, yo,

Alonzo Trier is crazy. Oh, my God. That's the gutters are there. Alonzo Trier was hooping for like two weeks. Yeah. I thought he was about to do something. The first two games of this year, Cam Thomas, when he first started. He was put up like 28, 29 a game.

Yeah, he was going berserk. And I was just basking. And I was just like, yes, give it to me. This is amazing. Hey, yo. Bubble T.J. Warren is an all-or-romancing also. I know. That was kind of, that was. I'm so happy to hear that.

Thank God. Oh, Bubble T.J. Ward is a crazy insanity run. Yeah, no. He was special. Bubble T.J. Warren is the best player I've ever seen. They might be best player of all time. Yeah, no. He was special.

Who else had a Linsanity Run? Oh, Michael Carter Williams rookie year. For one game? Yeah, no. One game in a sanity run. No, did he win a rookie in the playoff? Yeah, he won't rookie in the year?

Because of one game. Oh, God. Oh, Caleb Martin's the playoffs. Yeah, he became Superman. Oh, I forgot about him. Crazy. Damn. We could just don't want a lot of random Miami he players.

Like, fucking Gabe Vincent, bro. He's bad. Shit since then. Rory Hutchinson. Moria last year in the playoffs. Damn. Pain. The Chicago Bulls of 2021 from like for like two months or a month or whatever.

With Lazo ball. Yeah. The next question is, when did you all get into washing basketball and what other sports do you like? The first finals that I can remember was 07 with Spurs, Spurs Cavs. And I think, it's crazy. I see, wait, I'll be back. I cleaned up my. Okay. I got into an NBA in around 2011.

I was into basketball, I mean, my basketball. I was into football and baseball growing up as like an elementary school kid. And then I started watching ESPN in like 2010, 2011. So through watching SportsCenter and watching them cover the fuck out of LeBron going to the Miami Heat, that got me into the NBA. So I kind of got into it through LeBron. My aunt and uncle, they sent me these pictures. They went to like the NBA store in New York.

And so they sent me these like these, like, these, pictures in the finals and stuff to like hang up on my wall hard lit that is incredibly hard oh so yeah yeah that was that was the first one yeah someone someone said i was post prime cobi exactly bro i'm a lakers fan that i was a kobe fan as a kid but just in the way that like my parents are lakers fans so i was like yeah the lakers won but i didn't really give a fuck you know i was a very passive fan i wasn't really watching like that so i like fan who didn't get to see prime covey it's a strange place to be i think i got some memorabilia here in my bag i'm hoping that i do because this shit is hilarious oh one time i'm around basketball

and i think fourth grade and the coach asked us like do like a team bonding thing the first day we all had a name our favorite basketball player and they were all like this must have been 2009 and they were all like dwayne wade lebron james i said lamar odom and they laughed at me That's so on brand for you, though Because he was a Laker and I like knew about him And I was like, oh, he's cool Because again, I was a very passive fan as an elementary schooler And they laughed the fuck out of me

They were all saying Dwayne Wade And they cooked me Oh my God, bro, that's crazy So I got this Alborchard right here This is young Alborfer I believe this is What year was this? Oh my god

This is his rookie year. Long-ass time ago in this bitch. And then I got a Josh Trildress card right here. What? That's a crazy-looking jumper. And then I got Luke Walton in this bitch as well. Oh, yeah. Luke Waller.

That's hilarious. I started watching basketball in like 2012, 2013. It was when Paul George first started breaking out as a star, went ahead and had that series against Miami, dunked on Chris Anderson. And that's when I also started watching this show called, like, NBA starters on NBA TV and I'll just watch that bitch as soon as I get home. It was just easy to digest and get into it. Someone said Isaac's first Lakers teams were Marshawn Brooks, Robert Sackery, Jody Meeks,

and Post-A-Kilias Kobe. Exactly. Listen, when I tell you all... How you're still a fan is wild. When I, first of all, I'm like the L.A. roots for my family, so that's the reason I'm a Lakers fan. I didn't like choose it my choice. When I tell y'all, nobody loves the 2020 Lakers more than me.

I'm a Chargers fan in the NFL and a post-2010 Lakers fan. I have no nothing but despair in sports my entire life So that 2020 run is the only ounce of success I've ever seen in sports Whenever you all are like, why does he love AD so much He is the best superstar besides a run I've ever seen for my team Brought them a championship of course I love Anthony Davis Wow bro I've seen one good year of teams in my entire life

Listen I get it to this day right if you ask me Like who are the top 10 wide receivers I'll put Alshon Jeffrey in there You know what I'm saying? You know, he won the Eagles of Super Bowl. I get it. I understand. Which also means I love it to fuck out of Keenan Allen.

And now he's gone. And this has been the roughest two weeks of my life. That is tough. That's tough. Wait. Oh, I forget. What the sports do you like? I'm an Eagles fan in football, Yankees fan and baseball.

I watch the Premier League, Arsenal fan. Those are, yeah, and then Nick's fan in basketball. This man is wide range. All I watch is basketball. Once in a while, I pay. attention to football i used to be heavy in football back in 2015 2016 when cam newton 2015 really when he went on this like insane run but yeah no i'm mostly mostly basketball yeah football used to my main sport it was like it throughout high school it was like the same

with NBA for some reason throughout college i fell out of football so now i i've gotten back into the past two years but there was like a four-year stretch where i just completely stop watching NFL i don't fucking know why so now i'm like i'm not a casual in the NFL but i'm just above it nowhere near like the worry of knowledge-wise and NBA. Listen, you asking about the 2016 NFL, I got you. You asked me about Mike Evans' rookie year? I know everything. Special.

Special. That man was ridiculous for no reason. I hated them. Back to basketball. Someone said, who was your biggest dark horse team come playoff time? Dark horse team. If it was the Knicks and they were healthy, I would say fucking them. But they're not right now.

so it's hard to say i honestly the mavericks i guess they're just yeah just because you go into every series yeah but like you go into every series with art you know probably the best player on the floor and like we've seen we've seen luca make a run to the conference finals before when he had you know pre super star pre star jill and brunsson you add karee to that mix her and and like an elevated Luca probably them okay so I mean

can you say the thunder nobody specs on the wind but to the two seed like no I would I would could you say in Miami sure if you're just a bitch next to you know

red dots in the middle of your forehead you will but the easiest dark horse of all time and just be a coward about it and pick the team that's always the dark horse go ahead

it's right yeah but i mean i think the thunder have a much better chance than people give them credit for because their age so they guess they're not a dark horse because they're a fucking two seed but i don't think people consider them like one of the top three teams make the finals and i probably would

yeah yeah i would say realistically for me it should be the next uh hate of discipline in the chat said mo who are some of your favorite wrestlers ever some of my favorite wrestlers ever number one is listen John Sina is ridiculous naturally naturally yeah he back in 2008 2009 name another goddamn wrestler who will pull up on the street in battle wrap a random civilian bro can never see it John Sina I would also say fucking Batis is up there as well and then

and actually no John Sina Jeff Hardy and then I'm going to go ahead and say for my last one should it be Mark Henry or should it be Eddie Guerrero? I think I'm willing to Eddie Guerrero. He was special. I repeat guys. I don't know shit about any of these. I used to watch Triple H

whenever I was like five watching WWE. Triple H. That's all I remember. Yeah, nah. They used to do some vile things back in them days, bro. It's ridiculous. I didn't believe you were watching that shit. Oh, my bad.

Hat of discipline, not hate. My bad, my bad. Someone said, how long have you all been studying the NBA? Studying is an interesting word. I guess I'll consider that, like, how long have you all been, like, die hard, like, trying to, like, you know like analyze yeah probably like since like 2015 or 16 for me the first like four years

i was like getting into it and like learning and i'd say i got like nerdy about it and tried to like learn how to think about it smartly in like 2015 or 16 yeah i'll say in uh maybe the year 2017 2018 for me is when i started like actually paying attention and reading deeper into just like highlights into like that yeah yeah i think yeah probably probably around that same time is when like i started watching like film breakdowns and stuff i remember like around that time too uh cobi i come out with like detail and so i was watching watching that stuff too trying just like really like anything that like any players would come out with that would be like some type of film study i would watch so yeah probably around that same time makes sense uh

that's the point i usually think like back in like college when i was trying to be a writer and i just started making YouTube videos, I was thinking like, I've only been watching the MPA since like 2011. Like I've really been like nerdy about it for like three years. Like I wonder how much people like weigh that lack of years and years of it against me. But now I'm like, damn, it's been like eight years. I'm getting old. I'm like not new to this shit anymore. Yeah, bro. It's going to be so insane when LeBron retires. I think about that every week, bro. I'm like, what is my life going to be after that? Someone said, Isaac, what are your thoughts on the Hardin volume eight? I got no fucking thoughts on Hardin's eighth shit.

I haven't never even seen higher. Wait, no, you do. You do. Those are a heart. Do I like them? Yes. Yeah. Yeah, we talked about them before.

Let me see. Apparently I do have thoughts on hard and volume made. I'm sorry for attacking you. Donovan set me straight. Oh, these are tough as fuck. Yeah. Yeah, I need some of these. These are hard.

I would wear these. I said he would wear these casually with fucking jeans, cargo, camos, whatever it is. And I said, we got to bring back wearing basketball shoes with jeans for style. I thought these are tough as fuck. Fuck. I saw the pink bear and I was like, yeah, listen, give you some light washed jeans, a white tea. I'm going out. I'm stepping out the house. I said, I got that shit on. D, listen, I don't, I don't hoop anymore, mostly because, like, I don't live by my friends I used to hoop with. So I'm not going to, like, just go to fucking pull to YMCA. But seeing these and seeing Ant Man shoes, make me want to buy them just so I can have excuse to wear them to hoop again. Because these are tough as hell. Yeah. The ones that, that J. Dub wears, he wears, like, the two different color ones. those are fire tough let's see I'm a big fan oh these are tough as fuck

I didn't even know these are Hardin's a fire these are crazy someone said they're Horton here's a shoe that's a good one yeah these are crazy yeah my bad I wasn't familiar with Hardin's game these are insane they look like Starburst a little bit no he's definitely made made a comeback there was like a three-year stretch where his shoes were kind of ugly these last two have been pretty solid. Three years generous. I'll say fucking five. Yeah, we'll do a few more

questions before we get out of here. We're nearing two and a half hours. Let's see, which one should we do? If you could wipe one team and all its history from the from the world, what team would it be? Donnell? My answer? Nick? We'd never hear about the

Los Angeles Clippers. Yeah, that's true. We'd never know about them. It's kind of the same as what it is right now. You know? like we i don't i don't feel like anybody really knows clipper's history clippers lore like that but if we can make it a fit but if we can make it official i would love that yeah and if they were zapped away from the NBA nothing would change like everyone just going with their day

as normal it's kind of fucking sad to say pain it's it's wild because we would feel the loss of the Utah jazz more than we would feel the loss of the clippers oh my god that's It's crazy. That's disrespectful. Oh, my God. Some people are spam with Utah Jazz. Could you say the Hawks, too? So I'm a Nets fan and I'm cooked.

Yeah, the Nets, we would not go like about the Nets. Yeah, that is true. Don't care at all. What about the Memphis Grizzlies? I mean, they're so new, I guess. Ain't nobody do a damn about that boys. There's some errors. I guess the Grin grinder.

The Green Grindr is real. You're so right about that. Yeah. That's your team's best era. can go without it. That's better than a lot. The clippers don't have that. Would you rather?

I would, as a fan, I would rather have grit and grind versus Lob City because Lob City always, like, disappointed. I'd rather be like, also, Grit and Grind also got to a conference finals and Lob City did not. So there is more playoff series. I think they did in the first time. I think they beat the clubbers. Exactly.

I'd rather be an over-ed-eat-you- It's crazy for the beginning of that. Green grinds. 10 out of 10. Yeah. Yeah, I'm just saying like it's, that's your best area.

You're close to the bottom with the list of teams we can wipe out. We can get you out of here. The Kings, we can also get the Kings out of here. Oh, they mean nothing. They mean literally nothing.

Shout out Bigel. Shout out Tiny Archibald. Appreciate. Yeah. Weber. Mike Bibby. Yeah, I can lose that era. I'll be right.

Sad. Tough. All right. All right. What's next? one more nothing this is the end of the stream we hit two and a half hours it's a nice stream today nice and chill in the end appreciate y'all that stayed with us at the end had a nice casual Q&A moment we'll do this again next week actually next week we'll bring back the hot takes

instead of Q&A we'll alternate one week hot takes one week Q&A we'll get you involved every single time it'll be good let's get crazy all right so we'll see on