The Deep 3 Podcast - Picking The Winner Of Every 2nd Round NBA Playoff Series | TD3 Live

Episode Date: May 6, 2024

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Welcome back, everybody. As you guys take by the title, today we're going to be previewing the second round at the NBA playoffs. You know, last episode we kind of did a post-mortem of the teams that lost in the first round. So today we'll be talking about the second round, what to expect, who we think is a win each series. We're acting the game one of Wolves versus Nuggets since that already happened, since for some reason that series started early as hell. Yeah, man, a lot to talk about today. Let's get into it because a whole bunch of stuff happened. We had a game seven go on yesterday, right?

I guess we could start there. Cab's Magic. Man, I was rooting for Orlando very hard. It was so sad to watch them go out, but it was so fitting to watch them lose the way that they did because it was just like, all right, nobody, just nobody's going to make a shot. Like, Franz is awful.

Jalen Suggs could not, could not hit anything. I think both of them combined were like three of 28 in that game. And if anybody else was trying to help Palo, they probably could have held an 18-point. lead and secured game seven but it's a wraps so people in the magic i'm going to play the song for you one last time but it's it's tough people in the comments are spamming to talk about drake and kendrick on their favorite NBA podcast i think it looks like you go i think it looks like you're making your stand clear with your shirt is the baby keem shirt great coincidence i

didn't even think about that but yeah there you go taking the victory left with the team pick a side pick a side yeah i pick the side of the clear winner i'll say that real quick before we we get to the rest of the magic postmortem. Shout out to JRM 37, you know, weekly donator, tip $3, said Don casually dropped the best ISO ever last pod.

Only a fellow Texan could drop such wisdom. I want your Knicks rant. Love it. Love it. It was great. Also, yeah, I'm on, I'm on Kenjik side. I've been buying not like us,

like crazy. Yeah. Shout out to a layoff took in $3. Said late SMH, but who cares? Timberwolves are so here. Oh yes. We're going to talk about Timberwolves today.

have thoughts. And I am very pro Timberwolves now. They've won me over. We're going to get into that because we're going to free, I guess, a preview series, and that's going to be the one we talk about the most. How could they have none, man? They're ridiculous. Mo, how did you feel watching Cats versus Magic? Like Donovan said, he expected the Magic to win, wanted the Magic to win. Everybody besides Palo came up short, even Palo came short in the second half. I think we kind of saw the, we saw the real Palo experience in that game. First quarter, great shot making. He looks like a star. He had 24 in the first half. Second half, a lot of bricks, a lot of misses, that efficiency plummeted.

He finished the game with, in the mid-30s, I forget exactly what it was, but it was carried by that first half because he had a hard time getting to the rim in the second half once Evan Mobley was able to really knock that off and make him be a shotmaker, which is where you saw his need to develop as a rim score really come out. What would your general take away? I mean, on the Apollo tip, I would say that game right there, from start to finish, but really start, of course, it's where he really shine the most. embodies who the ceiling that he has as a player in the face of the franchise type of guy

that he was drafted to be you know and there's only a handful of those guys who has that type of potential and he's one of the 1015 players in the NBA who has that um but seeing that game was just genuinely disgusting seeing franz Wagner put up six points six rebounds six assists shooting six percent from the field what is going on here is that intentional Because that's a different level of, like, ass that I wasn't expecting from him. He's point shaving. Him and Darius Garland were having a point shaving off. Yeah, exactly.

So I think it's, I remember earlier in the season, a lot of people, earlier in the season, Apollo was, it seemed like he was being really just, like, passive. And a lot of people thought that him and Franz were on the same level. And a lot of Orlando Magic fans, there was a specific group of people who were just questioning the legitimacy of Paulo and Franz. whether or not like you know this should be franz's team and shit and this game seven like encapsulates all that shit franz was put in hell consistently by evan mowgli and eva mowby was like he's he's he's beating those derrick favors allegations of course he didn't do much like

didn't do anything crazy offensively but he didn't have to because he had the best player of the series is not under mitchell and he took the moment we'll talk about that but yeah evan mowgli was definitely promising i think we saw in this game specifically he can be a center defensively. I know that's always been a concern when you're talking about him and Jared Allen and the fact that we eventually got to break him up in some way. He can be that defensively. But offensively there's a lot of dump-off passes in the first half that if Jerry and Allen was in the game

they would have been easy dunks and Evan Mobley was just getting stuffed. And that's the main thing that he has to develop. I know we talk a lot about the jump shot. He has to be able to be that pick and roll dump-off man, be assertive down low, improve the rebounding, improved the core strength, all that stuff. Because we saw the highs and lows on both sides of this game, I think.

it was tough it's tough man i i don't know like and at the end of the game j jeredic he was like he was like he was like praising evan mowgli and he's like you know a lot of people they we talk a lot about what people don't do we should talk about what they you know what they're actually good at like praising evans defense or immobly's defense and um i mean yeah i get it but at the same time i knew he was coming i knew it's coming you know what i'm saying like okay we're going into this next series like we're going into this next series you're about to play the boston celtics christops priscilla is going to miss a lot of games like they are probably going to be as wounded as they can be and every mobile is going to have to step up offensively

like he he's going to have to take leaps in this next series for them to actually have a chance and i think that all of even without prozeggis i'm i'm still picking the celtics spoiler alert right to win but if the cabs want to do something we're going to have to see mnobly you know explode for 16 points right like we're going to be games like that so i hope that i hope that we can see it like step by step as the playoffs you know progress yeah hold on the donnoes are going nuts right now let me read these off they are spamming them through appreciate all y'all shout out to fadi for saying day just got better tipping five dollars we appreciate you shout out to Parker Blackington for dipping $5, he said,

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What are the magic target in the off season? Is Drake cutting another child? Do the Cavs stick together? Thoughts on the heart part six? I'll hang up and listen. That's great. Okay, as for the magic part of this, I'm actually like, I'm sad that they lost, but I'm happy that they went out like this because I think that sometimes, teams can kind of fool themselves into thinking, okay, like, we're good, we can, we can just go into next season continuing on the path that we're on, and we can keep building

kind of internally and make like small moves around the margins, it will be fine. I think game seven kind of proved to Orlando, if they already didn't know for the first six games of the series, they need 100%, like, they just need more shot making. And so whether that's from like a top level creator, they can, somehow finesse, you know, D. Mitch, if that go sideways, or if, you know, there's rumors that they're going out to get Clay Thompson, right, Malik Monk has been tied to him. You just need somebody else who had nothing else is going to get you a bucket. And so I'm glad. And so I hope that this loss kind of puts that very, very clear in kind of their minds.

Mo, I'm glad you brought Clay Thompson, Donovan. Mo, do you want to see Clay Thompson on the Orlando Magic? I would love to see Clayton selling the Atlanta Magic. Now, him on the Atlanta Magic would be like, bigger picture, look very nasty in NBA history. But for the moment we're in right now, like, that's much needed because Paula Ben Carroll cannot be the best shooter on your team. Like, that's what he, that's what he was throughout this entire of the series. He shot 40% from three. The next best guy is Jonathan Isaac who shot 37% on four attempts. But after that, it gets a real bleak. We're talking about 28, 29, 30%. you know coming from franz and the jail and sugs and gary harris is of the world and so that

would help tremendously whether it is someone like a clay thompson who could add a solid veteran presence and shit like that or someone who might even work a little bit better due to his age and also his impact coming off of the bench which would be god what does that mean malik monk yeah he would be an almost an even better and almost an even better option at this point um and so yeah like that that's a dire need for them they can't go into this shooting is important we saw this series we like we said the whole entire time

basically every game between two defensive teams like this comes down to whose role players hit more threes but we also saw that they need playmaking palo van caro shouldn't be essentially your point guard he is not this high level passer that needs to be out here deciphering the team as a point forward and making all the playmaking load on his own shoulders should be franz Wagner but we know his two point shot wasn't falling

nothing was really falling this last game seven I thought I hurt him, but they need a real point guard next to these two wings to help take some of that load off of Palo and let him focus on the scoring, focus on defending well and everything else. Shooting is important. You also need more ball handling. You also need Palo to improve as a rim finisher. People have been saying he has that young Jason Tatum trait in him where he forgets that he's

610, 250 and can really attack the rim well. He tends to go towards being more of a shooter and use his skill. He has to develop to use both those things, his physicality to set up the skill to be the takeover factor. It's not all these things. Like Donovan said, they're not as close as it might think. They're in a great spot for a team this young. One of the most promising features in the league.

You have Spurs with Wemby, OKC, as an other and other obvious great young team. After them, this team has a promising future of the young corps as you could possibly hope for. But those big pressing needs are still there. 100%. On the Clay Thompson thing, I don't know if Clay Thompson would work in Orlando. I don't know if I necessarily want to see that. Because Clay at this point, yes, he still averaged, you know, 39% from three this year. It's a volatile 39% though.

Like it's going to come with really high highs and really low lows. And you're going to, I think that with the team that already has bad shooting, inserting that level of, or like that kind of shooting, that could be really bad. Because then you can get into a situation where you're in a game, you know, you're in a game seven. you need Clay Thompson to go not like 9 of 10 or anything like that but you know four of eight four of nine even

and now he's going to show up and have like a two of 10 game and that those those kinds of things especially as Clay Thompson is going into age 35 season off of two major leg injuries like damn that's tough I know I know he's

he's going to be 35 well the thing is Clay Thompson was volatile not because it was three point of shooting is because he tries to do everything else still and be vintage Clay Thompson which includes running off of screens taking mid-range pull-ups creating some with the ball in his hands

taking tough three-pointers off of screens all these different things that he could do in his prime I feel like this year was the last year he really tried to do all that still and be Clay Thompson and assuming if he leaves and goes to team like the magic he's going to be old man Ray Allen he's going to park his ass in the corner

and just shoot spot up threes which is all they need for him and I think he can still do that because the volatility from everything else not necessarily that skill but does he want to do that we'll see but I think he has to yeah

wait wait wait wait wait wait they're saying Kendrick dropped again no way they're probably trolling you I'm looking up right now I'm looking at Kendrick's I promise you're trolling the people who are going ahead

and trolling us just talking don't play us like that Iles Brinson congratulations you are blocked I have a chat a group chat of degenerate friends who are glued to Twitter

they would have let us know already I would have had five text messages already knowing you guys want to be the first ones I promise You don't have a thing you. You guys had Donovan about a tweet. He was about a hop office. We're going to be one man down.

What the hell, chat? Yeah, what were we talking about before that? Clay. Clay Thompson. We know what the magic have their holes. Clay Thompson would be interesting because I think he can still fill that shooting gap. But if they did that, he would start the two, probably, and that would make Jalen Suggs the point guard. Which is cool.

Jaylon Sugg is really good, but I think you need a better passer, more dynamic created there next to Jalen Sugg, so really round out that back court. And Clay's not that, right? So to sign Clayton Suggs, Thompson and start him would be doubling down on Palo as you're essentially point guard. And I feel like that's just not the way to build around him. So I feel like someone like a Malik Monk, just high octane type offensive player, he just, he should have been, well, I don't want to say should have been the sixth man of the year, but he's in those conversations on a routine basis.

And just how explosive he is as a shooter, his playmaking made an actual leap this year, which no one saw coming. He would be a seamless fit coming off of the bench. and he would be what a lot of people thought Cole Anthony should have been for them. Yeah, 100%. But, yeah, again, they have a promise of future coming up. You know, they have holes to fix,

but keep the core together, don't do anything drastic, don't make a huge trade, and just continue building. What about the Cavs? How did you feel about this? Because quintessential Cavs game, first half, garbage. Went into a big loss. I tweeted. I was like, thank God this team's going to lose.

I'm fucking sick of this experience. Tired to watching this trash-ass team that I continue to believe in. and they continued to let me down, I was ready to be free from the shackles of Donovan Mitchell on the Cavs, because if they lose that game, they trade his ass probably the summer.

And then he was Supernova, and they came back and won. He finished with almost 40 points. They figured out in the second half, they got out of their cold shooting spree, the defense took over. They won in typical cast fashion. Did you fool, you know,

is it promising for the next round? Is it move? Does it move you, Donovan? No. It doesn't just because, if this was like a TV show and we would be talking about like did the cabs win or did like the magic lose that because they like 18 I look at that game from the prison of the magic lost that like they were firmly in control and like listen shout out first of like for real though shout out de Mitch because he went crazy and he really did put them on his back back strews popped off and became everything that the calves thought that they were getting whenever they signed him in the off season but I just like if the only way that you are going to beat Orlando down 18 at home like think about the spot that they were in in the first place and you need donovan Mitchell to score nearly 40 points to get out of that hole that's just that that doesn't encourage me going into another series yeah yeah I think they get stomp by the spoiler I think they get stomp by the Celtics I don't really see the vision with this team I just think they need to break up darius garland and donovan Mitchell pretty clearly Darrys Garland had a disaster class

and we're just continuing to see him not mesh well with Donovan Mitchell at all. When Darius Garland was one of the most promising young point guards in the league a couple years ago it was because the ball was in his hands. He had a unique mix but not unique because these days a lot of guards like this but he had a very high level mix of off the dribble shooting

speed and passing ability none of which shine when Donovan Mitchell is doing the exact same things and Darius Garland is standing around not getting in a rhythm. They just want to operate the same parts of the court. Donovan Mitchell isn't the offball player to let Darius Garland lead as a ball handler and same and vice versa. It's time.

It's time if you comes to Northern's Pelican. I'd love to see it, to be honest with you. I agree. There's just not enough between the two. I feel like there's a little bit of redundancy, is basically what I'm saying. There's a lot of everything.

Of course, Darius Garan has been the better playmaker throughout his entirety of his basketball life. But when you have someone like Donald Mitchell, continue to make strides on a consistent basis it kind of leaves like a what are you going to do with you now man like type thing with darius garland you just can't sit here and be the second best player on the team and be out scored in a series by Jared allen jared allen average 18 17 points this series bro and there is gone or only average 14 what is going on that doesn't make any sense you know yeah this they're just hey but at least max drews came in and hit three threes

in the third quarter. Good for him. Yeah, like, shout out to him, but, like, you can just see it. And it's part of the reason why even whenever they were going on, like, that crazy run in the middle of the season, you, we all were just watching the Cavs, like, yeah, like, you're winning, but we don't trust you like that. We just, like, we can see the flaws. We can see kind of breaking.

It just doesn't feel as well as it should for a team for a team that went on that type of run and was able to, like, low-key mix and integrate two different lineups of Demich and Jared Allen, then Mowbly and Garland. You're like, oh, you guys are really cooking something here, but they've never been able to put it all together where all four of them are like high-level clicking on every single phase. And so, yeah, they're fundamentally flawed. And there's a lot of teams kind of like this, right? You go out, you get talent. You try to see if you can make it work. They did the right thing. It's just, it's just not working. Yeah. So some experiments don't work.

And you never know They're not eliminated So they still have time To prove us wrong But so far It's looking like Some type of changes It may be made

And some At least one of these guys Has to be taken out of the equation Yeah I'm excited Tatum in this series though He's been asked

Throughout the entirety of the playoffs But I guess That's why I'm excited Because I just want to know I just want to know If he's going to be able To turn it around

Because now that Porzingis is out You can You can ask a little bit more of him He's kind of had that excuse Oh you said Tatum Yeah You've had that like reasoning kind of all year like he doesn't have to do xy and z you don't need him

to be this kind of player i kind of just want to see it just selfishly i don't i'm not talking about for any agendas or anything i just want to see jason tatum go go crazy i want to see i want to see we we act like you've never seen it before we see like it's such a thing on i'm not yeah that's not just you i'm not even just you yeah but like people are acting like playoff jason him has no playoff experience like this year is only of his career like we haven't seen him drop 50 in elimination games and do amazing things. Like, I have a feeling he'll be fine. He hasn't been great, though.

Yeah, again, they played the fucking Miami Heat. They played the Heat. And we know what the Heat defense is good at doing to ball handlers that aren't great passers. That's a matchup that's going to make him uncomfortable like I did last year. The Heat are the team that's making him uncomfortable but aren't going to win the game

because everybody else can eat off of the attention throwing a Jason Tatum. I'm personally not super worried about it. Yeah. Yeah. you're done for him right there he is you just want to see it

I can name eight players right now that's been better than Jason Tatum in the playoffs it was just a Tatum here he wants his downfall so bad he's praying on it Jaylen Brunson Luca Donch it's Yolkitch

Anthony Edwards of course and then we didn't even get to the did I say Jim Brunson already I believe I had first name you said Shegoz Alexander Lebron well I guess I can't count LeBron because he's out of the playoffs or whatever.

But that's five right there. And Jalen Brown's been better than him as well. Oh, we're doing this again. How many times are we going to do this? So far this, he's been better. I'm not saying we're just saying a series. So far he's been better from what I've seen. He just hasn't been him.

You know? Derek White. Oh, my God. Anyway, let's move on. Donovan. All right. All right, everybody shut up. He was going crazy

So outside of that The second round started And we saw game one Of Denver Nuggets Versus Minnesota Timberwolves Chat while we used to talk Start talking about this I want you guys to spam up

right now your predictions Who wins this series Timberwolves are the Nuggets Because this is going to be the best series of playoffs I think Counting the NBA Finals This is going to be the best series The entire playoffs

Game one I saw the Timberwolves Rising to the occasion Once again proving that their defense is scalable to the playoffs scalable to the best teams and Anthony Edwards proving

that when his shot is falling like that he is good enough to answer all the late game question marks we've had about them all season all year we've been at first we were hating on them then we were like okay they're great but we still have questions

will it translate to the playoffs can they defend this well against top teams I've game plan for it can their playmaking in the fourth quarter had the decision making needed to go band for band with someone like Yoga Shod

on the side of the court all this stuff has been answered emphatically yes Cat looks amazing Anthony Edwards looks amazing Rudy Gobert looks like Rudy Gober Amazing I think they might win the series

And if they can win this series They are winning in the NBA finals Because this is the hardest team to be I think Wooee They have a real chance to win the finals Which I did not expect to be up here saying After game one of the series

Against the Nuggets Bro I think coming into the regular season I don't know if any of us had them making the playoffs for real I think I had a meet or something like that But I believe I had them around the same range

to see everything literally go right for them you know we we were talking about anthony and words decision making and car and the town and the weird fit and all that shit but things is moving over everybody's been healthy they went ahead and shirt up their bench traded for some like monta morris who hasn't had a huge impact in the playoffs but still that depth is necessary at certain times went ahead and got t j warren too just for backup issues and shit like that but naz reed car anthony towns like you said nekilalexander walker Rudy Gobert and like you said again

Ken and more importantly than all of that like seeing how Anthony Edwards is ascending to super stardom in front of our eyes and being everything and even more than what all of his even supporters believed he could be is crazy

as fuck to see he's looking he looked like the best part of the court with Nicole Yolkich dude Nasree closes game Nasree is why they won the game it was a close game in the fourth quarter he hit two timely threes and then drive to the rim and built them a big lead that the Nuggets couldn't come up with

to have the ability to bring in that guy off the bench and have him be just as good as cat if not better in some circumstances gives him a ridiculous advantage to talk. That's not even mentioning the defenders you have on the bench

that you mentioned. Like, I don't want to be overreactionary to one game, but it's not just one game now. It's four games against the Suns in which their defense completely thwarted a team that against most of the matchups

I think would have looked a lot better than you would expect if you saw that four game sample size. And then do it again in the first game here the Nuggets would bounce back. It'll probably go seven games. But I think we can safely say their defense gives them a ceiling to beat anybody.

I 100% agree with everything that you said, including your NBA final state. I think that they can get that. I said, so I tweeted out before game one, I tweeted out. I said my mind was telling me nuggets in seven. My heart was telling me wolves in six. And now I was going to take the wolves in game one. but I was just going to give Denver the respect and say Denver in seven. But man, that was probably one of the hardest, like, series picks that I've had in a while

because I genuinely think that they can, that they can win the series. You already stole home court. The nuggets throughout this entire postseason have not started great. And like I know that, you know, like they're going to be the team. And especially since they won last year, everyone's going to look at them. and they're going to say they can turn it on whenever they want to. We've seen them, you know, flip the script in the third quarter, do all that stuff. It's kind of worrying to me that you haven't come out in five, six games and just said,

you know what, we're going to be the team that goes up 20. Like that's kind of a little bit nervous for me. And then also, Jamal Murray. If he's hurt. Exactly, exactly. If he's hurt and he's not play off Jamal Murray, yeah, like they might lose this series. is he hasn't had a game this playoffs shooting above or at 50%. His best game was game five of the Lakers series, 13 of 28.

Outside of that, 9 of 24, 9 of 24, 8 of 21, 9 of 23, 6 of 14 last game. And you could see even early on that he started very slow. I think Minnesota has a very, very open window here while Jamal's coming back, and they can 100% win this series. Yeah, Jamal Murray has to be the difference maker. Yeah. If you guys, if you guys watch Thinking Basketball chat, go watch Thinking Basketball's video.

He broke down how the Timberwell's defense was able to really stop the nuggets. Really good explanation. It wasn't even about what we always see teams talk about where like, listen, when Yokic is in the post, put Cat on him, have Gobert helping, blah, blah, blah, blah. That'll gives a good rumor to stop him. That was a thing they did. That was cool. That's not going to be an end-all be-all.

What they were able to do, though, is they were able to shut down the pick and roll by basically playing three defenders against the two offensive players every pick and roll they made the person that's defending Yokic just stay with Yokic and completely ignore the ball handler and pick and roll

and then Gobert slid over from the corner to defend that ball handler's drive while Aaron Gordon's left in the corner being wide open and that's something a lot of teams do right but this Timberwold's team is so disciplined defensively from 1 through 5

that when they leave Aaron Gordon open they're not just giving him open lobs like other teams do because they're so good at having everybody rotate around and make it really hard and had the smallest windows for passes, that that's a difference between why they can do it

and the Lakers can't, right? Because when the Lakers do that and they throw an extra body, Lob City, immediately Aaron Gordon dunks it every time. They have Gobert who can stop the lob and the drive, and they have elite critter defenders. He did. Yeah.

Yeah. At the end of the game, you saw them run that action and where, like Isaac is saying, where every other team is getting dunked on, you saw Gobert instantly drop back and be able to break up that lob. Like those release valves,

that Yokic is always able to go and end up being like the swing down the stretch, that might not be here in the next door. Real tight windows. Real tight windows to get those release valves off. Yeah. The Minnesota Timbles, they just have straight neutralizers, bro. They have tranquilizers. People who will hunt that shit down and Rudy O'Bear is like the face of that. There's not a lot of players who have that ability, the length, the agility and the quickness to go ahead and snuff that sniff that out and drop back as quickly the only maybe two other players who might have that ability and even then wasn't that great at it is like anthony david's a fucking wemby bro only two i can name in the entire NBA other than rudy gober

you know yeah and to have him jana macdaniels and of course anthony edwards is a fucking dog too and i didn't even talk about nekila alexander like it's just so much that they have to indoor and not having your number two guys guy and Jamal Murray, who offensively looks like to win at times with the way he's gunning, it hurts. It hurts a lot. It's going to be hard to overcome. Yeah.

And the talk of that game was Anthony Edwards is playing like Michael Jordan. He's not missing any shots. That's cool. Hot shooting day. I hope we continue to do that because if so, that'll make it pretty impossible to beat them if he's shooting like that. And that's going to be the takeaways. Anthony Edwards is shown he's a top 10 player in the league, showing he's the best shooting

guard in the league, showing he's soon to be one. of the best players in the league, period. That is all true. But that's not the most important part of giving the championship ceiling, I think. It's important that he plays that way, but the real takeaway is to be that this defense is good enough

to be one of those all-time defenses that will lead a team to the title. It can be the O4 Pistons, the 20-20 Lakers, well, LeBron makes a little different, but you know, these teams are defensively oriented and lock you down for four straight rounds to snuff teams out to make a championship run happen.

This defense is going to be that level if they can get by the series. Another thing about the Minnesota, not the Minnesota symbols, but the Denver Nuggets. This game, they actually outshot the Minnesota Timberwolves from three. I think they made like 13 compared to the Timberwolves 11. But just in general, throughout the entirety of the playoffs,

they've literally been one of the worst shooting, three-point shooting teams. Outside of Nicole, Yokochu's shooting like maybe 40 or something stupid, 50% from the three-point line. Next best shooter is like Casey or MPJ, I believe, also is what he's been, I think it's been knocking down really well. Outside of that, everyone else has been just, Really, meh, you know, and that is going to be a real issue. Yeah, and listen, it's hard to shoot well when you have Nah, Jada McDaniels, Anthony Edwards,

Naas Reed, all these guys rotating around, making your two-point shots difficult. They're not as open as they once were in the last series, you know? Like, it's going to be harder, and they have to rise to that, which they can. We've seen this team do that. So we're really praising the Timberwolves, so I don't want to make it sound like we're saying the series is over. It's far from that. We're going to get a big adjustment from Mike Malone in game, too. We're going to get a better game from Jamal Mori, a better game from Yolkich.

We're going to see everything, come back to balance a little bit. But the fact that we're even talking about this being a seven-game series or one team has a real good chance of winning and it's not the Nuggets. That says a lot for the Timbool Sealing. Yeah. Yeah. Listen, the Nuggets are winning tonight. It's going to be a 1-1 series. I'd be so shocked if the Nuggets went down 02 going back to Minnesota.

That would be insane. Yeah. And I see that some of the chat was like, Y'all are such Celtics haters because you're saying they could win. No one's saying it's going to be easy. No one's saying the Celtics are a walkover. That's going to be a tough series no matter what. They're fantastic.

But I think what we're seeing from the Timberwolves, if they are to win the series, it'll be because of everything I'm saying defensively, how they're able to snuff out everything that Nuggets want to do, rotate really well, not go up any openings. And if they can do that against the best creator in the NBA in Yokic, the best creator of open shots for others, I find it hard to believe they'll struggle super hard

doing that same thing against Jason Tatum, Jaylen Brown and Derek White as creators. It'll just be a matchup thing that I think if the defense translates to this series, they'll translate real well to the other one as well. Huh, man. This shit is so crazy, man. I'm just seeing how far they came,

Carl Anthony Towns being, beating all these wild allegations. I think I predicted, like, last year, like, this shit is going to be an all-time flop with all those picks. Picks still a question on my head, but, you know, whatever. Like, it's paying off so far. But I also said, like, yo, Carl Anthony Town isn't going to have

to get traded and he is an essential piece to all this and if they were to go ahead and make it to the conference finals knock off the knock off the Denver nuggets and make it to the finals we're going to have some fucking crazy conversations about anthony edwards crazy conversations by yeah that's the come he shot insanely insanely well if his jump shots falling like that you are not defending him he is utterly ridiculous facts also well just i wanted to pull up the three numbers for the Nuggets because it actually is kind of shocking. Michael Ford's Jr., so he's shooting 50% from three in the postseason. The second highest on the team is Reggie Jackson at 36%.

Then Jamal Murray, 31, KCP, 31, Yokic, 30%. Peyton Watson, 27, Justin Holiday, 17%. Like, Aaron Gordon is shooting 9% from 3. Like, these numbers are not great at all. So if, yeah, if you're leaving Aaron Gordon open, like if you are giving him that three if you're giving it and honestly anybody else that three right now it's a it's a good move uh you just have to be be worried because they might catch fire pretty soon but yeah they're just not they're not knocking down shots right now yeah yeah listen game twos tonight

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Who is winning Knicks versus Pacers? Tell me about it, Donovan. Tell me what you think. Give me your bias thought first. I mean, obviously the Knicks are going to win the series. It's not a question of if they're going to win the series. Yeah. For me, honestly, it's not a question of like if they're going to win the series.

It's a question of win because I don't think it's going to be easy at all. Like I think the Pacers have been. a very, very good style to contrast everything that the Knicks do. Like the Sixers, as good as they were, they also wanted to play slow, muck it up, do all that type of stuff. That plays right into the Knicks' hands, right? And especially when you have Joelle and Bede who's hurting, you're not going to be running up and down the floor.

Oh, that's how the Indiana Paces play. They run up and down the floor, right? They are at their best when this a track meet. So I think for a team like the Knicks who want to slow, down who want to, you know, get off, uh, get offensive rebounds at every single turn. Like those things are going to be critical, but I do think that we saw a little bit in the first round with Indiana and Milwaukee, they could kind of like, I think you can, I think you can beat up, um, Indiana. And I think that the Knicks, their physicality, like, that's a,

that's a real thing. This last series was one of the most physical series I've seen in a while. And if Indiana is not ready to play that style of basketball, game one tonight is probably going to be a shock for them. So I'm going to take the Knicks tonight, and I'm going to take the Knicks in a series. I'm going to take the Knicks in six, and I think that they'll probably close it out on the road and do all that stuff.

What do you think, Mo? No, yeah, I agree. I would personally, I would take the Knicks. I think the Indiana Patriots probably have a little bit more talent on that team, star-wise, when he comes to Pascal Skiakum and Tyreys Halliburton and shit like that. But that doesn't matter at the end of the day when you have eight dudes willing to take a nuke for Tom Timito.

Like, none of that shit really matters, you know? I see Josh Hart. Yeah, I see Josh Hart. I see Dante Dimitendo and all them boys. And I'm just like, they're going to give Tyrese Halliborne hell, bro. Absolute hell. And I don't necessarily know if they're built for this type of basketball that the Knicks are going to force them to play.

Like Donovan said, you're literally talking about the fastest team of the league versus the slowest team of the league. And when we saw Doc Rivers and the Milwaukee Bucks force them to play a different style of game, every single game they lost. They lost to a Patrick Beverly and Bobby Portis led team, all because of nasty, nitty, and greedy jailball. And the Knicks will do that all of the time. That's their M.O., that's where, but that's what they're about.

So I have honestly like the Knicks and six. I'm gonna go nix and six as well But I don't feel super good about it You guys can mention the contrast This isn't just a normal contrast in a slow team and a fast team This is a contrast in a fast team That is soft as baby shit And just wins off the speed

And a slow team that has rocks for fists And shoves them down your throat And wins by bruising the shit out of you Like it's the extreme version of both these playstiles So I think we're gonna see a series That has several blowouts Because there's gonna be games where the Knicks crash the boards,

get tons of turnovers, out physical the hell out of them, and they just snuff out the Pacers. They just make them look like children and blow them out. But then there's going to be games where the Big Man on the Pacers do a good job,

not allowing the offense rebounds for the Knicks, do all that stuff and don't let them win the easy way, and they flood them going up and down the court. And they just out shoot them in a way that the Knicks get down to a big leader early and can't come back from.

But I think both those things will happen, so we'll see a lot of overreaction of both wins and both styles of wins in the series. But I think I'm going to go with the Knicks for the same reason I went with them over the 70 sectors in the end. I just trust them in a late game scenario when Jaylon Brunson is playing this well. If we're going to get to a game seven, like I thought the last series was, I trust the Knicks

in the game seven over these other teams because things inevitably slow down in that high stakes environment. You can't win with speed in that way and you're going to need late game half court execution. And I trust Jaylon Brunson to elevate them. I trust them to stay true to the principles of getting the offensive rebounds, getting the turnovers, doing all this stuff. and I think it's hard to translate a fast break style environment and make it stay true to those principles

for seven games whenever you're done the other team is really wearing you down. Yeah. I think that like, I think that for Isaiah Hartonsider for Mitch Robinson, this is like the best thing for them because you just came out of a two-week series of getting just punched in the gut

every single play by Joel and Bid and trying to manage it, like manage your fouls and try not to get into foul trouble and you might defend a certain way like Miles Turner isn't going to do that to you like you're going to have a little bit more more leeway I also think a like nervous point I guess that I have for the mixes that the depth is not great at this point yeah right now that now that uh boy on is out now we've obviously like Julius Randall's not there. Again, it's kind of easier to play seven, eight guys when every possession is half

court and it's very slow and methodical. I don't know if Josh Hart can play 48 minutes three times this series if he's running up and down the floor. I don't know if Dante Divincenzo can do that if it's a track me. Like that, that's going to be something to monitor. I'm so worried that like we're going to be out here getting Alec Burke minutes. Like, I don't, I don't think, I don't think it's going to happen, but I, but I kind of feel

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But yeah, Donovan, to another point you're talking about with the death, Pascal Seacom was a big difference in the last series. His scoring, he really got into vintage Pascal Seaccombe. Oji and Obie is well equipped to guard him. He saw him in practice every day for years. He knows his tendencies. He can do a good job against him.

if OG I know he's not in the court if he gets in the foul trouble if whatever reason he's not defending Pascal in a one-on-one situation they don't have a lot of other bodies to throw at him. I don't really want to see Josh Hart defending him one-on-one.

I don't want to see Dante DiVincenzo defending him one-on-one. I guess you can put like an Isaiah Hardinstein on him but it gets a little complicated if that scenario happens and you can't put OG on him. Yeah, I don't

I don't know. I mean we're gonna that's where you kind of just go back into into kind of the vault and stuff that we saw earlier in the season. We saw, honestly, in spurts having precious to Chua come in and be very good on Joe L&B defensively, right? That may be an option.

Again, early in the series, if you just want to see, if you just want to try some things out and be like, can we get away with this? Can we get away with putting precious on Pascal for three minutes while OG rest or something like that? I want to see. So, yeah, the depth. The depth and the speed are going to be the two biggest things in this series. I guess speed complemented with the offensive rebounding.

But, I mean, it's going to be, game one should be super fun. Just because it's a feel-out game. I want to see how Indiana really responds to the physicality of the Nix. Yeah. Another advantage that the patients could have is they throw less turnovers, I think, than like the 76 are going to give them because Tyrese is so good at keeping the ball in play and using his passing to beat you, they're going to put pressure on him

and do all the normal stuff. I trust him playmaking more than I do like a Tyre's Maxie or as well and Bid to not give them easy turnovers. So that'll be one less source of easy offense at the pace that Nix are usually getting. Yeah. Yeah.

And that's fine, but listen, you got to be a dog when the playoffs come around, right? You just have to, the NICs showed all last series. We just want it more. And when it comes down to the last three, five minutes, who's going to dive on the floor? Who's going to who's going to box out? Who's going to do all these little things that end up being the physical plays? And also, listen, if the Knicks can hit free throws this series, it will be Knicks and five.

They can hit late game free throws and be Knicks and five. I need to see that. I'm tired of seeing Jalen Brunson, Josh Hart, miss late game free throws. But, but yeah, I do have a lot of confidence in the Knicks to get the series. All right, Mo. We're going to move on the next series. We'll move on to OkC versus Mavs

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That's funny All right chat I see you guys Spamming you guys voted 82% for the Knicks. Let me know right now who you guys have beating, who I've winning. Mavs versus Thunder.

What is your prediction, chat? That is a fantastic. That is also going to be one of the most fun series because you have like two of the top six players and Luca and Shea going at it. And also like the secondary duo too, like the Kyrie versus Jalen Williams, that will be so interesting to see as well.

But now that Maxi Kleba, went down with that injury I always say like they always rely on him as the fucking crutch and you shouldn't rely on a player like Max Ocuba he is I don't know what it is but he's always relied on upon the playoffs

nitty ingredient he is that like extra who Shay yeah they're picking him to win and they're picking skins to win oh no that's crazy as much as I love Shay Chet and all them boys

I might want to go ahead and pick Dallas Mavericks I might want to go ahead and do so But it is going to be a lot hard Because they don't have that That optionality To be like, go ahead, go ahead and pick them Go ahead and pick them I don't know, I don't know just yet

I have to let these thoughts resonate What do you guys think about this? Yeah, this is hard Definitely we got to talk through it Because I don't know what I think either I'll let chat convince us either way Well, I'll talk through it Because these are two of the better teams

They're just like the other series I'm talking about Nuggets versus Timberwolves Pretty evenly matched Pretty good, pretty capable of making the conference finals in an even way. What you said with Max and Cleveland being out is interesting because that's their ability to go five out, right? And OKC famously goes five out

and really flood you with threes and really wins the math game in that way. Maybe they choose to try and do the same thing and match that. Cleveland makes that harder. They could still go, I guess, PG Washington at the 5 if they want to find a way to do that. And that's possible when you have like Jalen Williams

at the 5 when Chets on the court, not on the court. You can get away with PJ Washington at the 5. But I feel like their goal is probably going to go the other way to try to out muscle them and be bigger than them, have Derek Lively and Gaffert eat and really do what the Nick,

kind of play Knicks basketball in some way in that sort of style. And Gafford struggled because Zubach was getting in his ass, beating him in the post. Chet's not going to do that. You know, chat's a different type of player. Chet's not bigger, stronger, larger than him, going to just lay it up over his head.

He presents his own matcher problems, but I think Gafford's better equipped to stay on the court in the series. Maybe they try to just beat them up down low. Okay, that's fair. I'm going with OkC in this series. Wow. I'm going to go with the Thunder in six.

Yeah. It's okay. Also, quick tangent. The whole like difference between like thunder and six and seven like I feel like it's very rare to see like game like every series can't go to game seven. Like somebody's going to be a three two and is going to close it out and it's just going to end that way. that way. So like, no, no disrespect, you know, to Dallas. But like, I, I do think that OKC is the, is the better team. And I, like, listen, for a couple reasons, I'm going to read

you guys some stat lines. So she has a father strength. True. Oh, I forgot he just had a child. That is true. If he gets, if he gets the plus 10 that Fred Van Blee got in 2019, that Jalen green got this year it's going to be thunder and five i did forget about that but the the clippers two of 12 one of seven five of 16 oh for six that was a player who was actively working against the clippers in james harding right in the first round i oh oklahoma city does not have that they have two guys in shay and jaylon williams who not only consistently rise to the occasion but in late game situations they execute at just a phenomenal level like they are they're obviously not like like peak nuggets level of execution they are high up there and i don't and like when you are

trying to close out games or trying to you know go shot for shot and stuff like that the thunder always find a way to at minimum get a good shot and i really really like that and i really value that from okayc and so i think that that's going to be a very key difference um maybe maybe not i guess difference between them and the clippers rather than like them and the mabs because obviously lucca's going to do what lucca does but i do i do like that back court yeah it's tough they had derrick jones junior who thunder fans are talking about on twitter as like the perfectly built shay stopper dramatic but he is a defender that they

can throw at Shea and probably to some extent slow him down right? They don't really have to wait for J-dub. Maybe they put PJ Washington on him in the starting lineup and cross-match some stuff which is possible Collar greens chicken potatoes, cornbread

that's cool. That's cool. They're going to stretch out Derek Lively and Ganyogaffer which at home from shooting and we'll see how they respond to that. Listen, Mads fans will be the first ones to tell you that Derek Lively did good against Chet in a regular season and they'll also be first was to tell you that that one Saturday morning game

when they blew them out by 32 on national TV that's just to show you that the Mavs are going to beat the shit out of them every game, but we all know, as we learned by Timberwolves versus Sons, don't take too much from regular season performances. Playoffs are an entirely different beast. It's a small sample size in a regular season. It's an environment

where you're not game planning for that team like you do in their playoffs. Take a little bit from it. Sure, there's something you can tell, but it's not some smoking gun. I wouldn't react too heavily to that. I would react to how they're playing right now, what each team looks like. And in that first game, listen, they played the Pelicans who were down bad without Zion, but the Thunder beat the shit out of them, man.

They were firing. And the Clippers weren't exactly in peak form either, were no Kauai. I'm leaning Thunder, but I can be convinced to go Mabbs. I feel like, personally, I'd want to lean the thunder, but also they have, like, the Dallas Mavers have Luca Dunst. But Luca Dunst at the same time hasn't been as efficient as we're used to him seeing, as he's just seeing and also like

seems like he has little nagging injure which I'm sure a lot of players do it's a palis that is what it is Yeah That's why he's not as efficient right now clearly Exactly But if he Can find a way

And if the Dallas Mavers can go ahead And find a way to steal game one Then I feel a lot more comfortable With saying okay Like Mavs in like six or seven You know Yeah we'll definitely learn a lot From game one either way

I feel like the winner of this Or really does what these seem to look like will tell us a lot because it's such a hard series to predict, I think, just given how there's no clear advantages for either side in the way that, like, we look at Knicks Pacers and we're like, the Knicks can beat you on the board, so the Pacers can beat you on with the speed and whatnot. Like, I don't think there's a super strong contrasting style here. So it's really going to come down to late game execution, who shoots better, who defends the rim better, all the typical stuff that is harder to predict, you know? Yeah, I feel that. I do agree with Mold though that.

think a lot of this like it's very fair if you just want to look at the maps and say they have the best play in the series they have luca like yeah i'll go ahead out i'll i'll take them that's 100% fair and especially because we saw him elevate his his defense obviously not like all NBA but like we saw him actually play some play some defense and if you can get some two-way stuff out of out of luka that helps obviously your defense in an insane way because then you're not playing five on four you know five on four and a half like it normally is but the three-point stuff from from Luca is kind of that that is kind of worrying last four games of the series he shot 17% from three I you obviously would like that to be higher and you

want that to be at least double and at least like 34% because that's what when we started talking about Luca for MVP and Luca like is he low-key like the best play in the world is because his three-point shot had gotten to another level and so if that regresses to that level or even to just the mean of kind of what it's been for his for his career then i do think that okay c has an advantage there i i agree and i'm scared that because of this maxi cleva injury like the court just got a hell of a lot smaller and tighter and more claustrophobic for luca who was who was already having like a tough time converting on those three point attempts yeah so that's why I kind of want to lean okayC because every it feels like it just set up in their

favor to beat to beat a team that can only be okay C in one way positionally not five out offense style you know it's hard okay so think about this way what can each team do to get each other out of their comfort zone all right we just talked about how the turbulves are uniquely equipped to cut off yokech's release valves as a passer and make it difficult for them to play the game they want to play do we see see any scenario in which the mavericks can do that to the thunder because the pelicans we're able to slow down say it again say that again is there any world in which the mabs can get the thunder out of what they want to do and out of their comfort zone because the thunder

we're able to slow down shay a little bit i mean fuck i can't talk the pelicans were able to slow down shay a little bit and hold the efficiency down but that's because they got herb jones and they got all these other range of defenders that are good matchups i don't feel that strongly about the Mavs defenders being able to do the same thing. Yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't think so. Unless, like you said, unless Derek Jones Jr., like unless that length really gets too Shea, I don't, I don't really see it. So, no, it's, it's, yeah, I don't, I don't think that that Dallas is going to be able to

slow or like stop. Okay, see, I think if they are going to win this series, it really is going to be because, because Luca elevates his offensive game past what it was in the Clipper series. It's going to be because Kyrie continues to play as well as he has been. And you, like you also said earlier, it's going to be a matchup of like late game execution and shot making I think is obviously going to be like the biggest key in the series. And if Luca and Kyrie can make shots down the stretch and make tough shots, hey, hats off. Like you guys got it.

And I just think it's going to come down to just that. And that's a question for you, Mo. And today, Mark Dagnall was asked how he stops Luca. He said, I hope Lou Dort shows up to the game on time. Lou Dord is clearly going to be trying to put Luca into the Dorter Chamber. Let's say he does a decent job, right? He does his job being Ludort. What are they got for Kyrie?

J.W. going to guard Kyrie? A lot of Aaron Wiggins minutes. I don't know. Like, that's going to be, they don't have a clear Kyrie defender. You're right. But at the same time, I think, holistically overall, case he has a lot of group a bunch of great group defenders and i like their defense just a lot more because there's more optionality there and i think that's just like the talking point whenever i talk

about the players i just think about who has an option to go ahead and change their mind and throw a wrench in the other head coach's uh master plan you know and yes like you're right who's going to guard kairie and who's going to guard luca there's no one on the planet who could do those two things It's just about how much of a job, how good of a job can you do? Can you stop them from going nuclear? And with the home grooms of the world, Jaynex, not as much defensively. Shea goes, Alexander's not a slouch either. Like, they just have so many bodies.

But on the Maverick side of things, like, although they have this top of the class, dude, I don't know, I think they're, I don't know, like, you're going to be relying on Dante X him to go ahead and fucking hit some threes, bro. Because they just lost, the Dallas Maver just lost their second or third best three. point shooter and max a cleaver who was like 10 for 18 from the three point range in the last series you know so it's the dante axons of the world the josh greens of the world you're going to have to rely on on the offensive end and i think that might hurt them more they might hurt themselves more than okay c can inflict any more damage to be honest so i might

actually talking through it i might lean towards okay c in the first round dallas got to the rim on 30% of their shots that was 12th of the 20 teams in the playoffs they are going to go against Chet Holmgren now, who, you know, the Pelicans try to dunk on him every time and he swat that shit every time, shut down the rim pretty well outside of the post-ups, which were never going to be a way you win a game against a thunder? Can Kyrie and Luka really get to the rim consistently? Can PJ Washington get to the rim consistently? When you have someone like Chet Holmgren down there, that's going to be neutralizing Chet Honggren is how you win the series, right? We saw Derek Live at success against him. He has to do well. You have to keep

him out of the paint, block him from everything. I think that would be the biggest swing factor for the Mavs because if he's down there mucking everything up, it's going to be hard to beat them with just primitive shot making. Yeah. This is going to be fun. It's going to be crazy. Yeah, it's going to be awesome. And that's crazy.

That's all the series. It's going to be so weird going from like two to three games every night to just like two. And like it's like, it's like to do with my life now, man. That's what I'm saying? Like it feels. Watch movies? In the middle of the day? God forbid

All right We're going to get on to the next And final series we got to talk about For the first time In the past three weeks of live streaming We're going to talk about the Boston Celtics Because they finally have A little bit of interesting dialogue

About their series They're finally not going to be an easy win Blowing everybody out in front of them Maybe, maybe Maybe, probably not, but maybe Because they're playing The Cleveland Cavaliers Fresh off of a Game 7 victory

Over the Orlando Magic with no Christophs-Worzingis. How do you guys feel the lack of Christoph's is going to change the series? Changes a lot. Christoph's is so valuable, and he, in my mind, is what makes them appear unbeatable a lot

because the 7-3 dude is pulling up from 30 on a consistent basis and also he's one of the best shot blockers in the entire NBA. He gives them so much more optionality and he's just a potent force and without him. I don't want to say they lose their superpowers because like their identity is still there and they've done they did the same shit same game same as that game plan with al horford but they lost a little bit of their superpowers because this big motherfucker is not there anymore and he just requires so much attention but with all that being said i still feel good about them because they just have better the best player in the series best second best the second best player in the series as well well actually oh i don't know about all that relax there you know what i mean jalen brown's not better than donovan mitchell but in terms of like the first four players the Cleveland Cavaliers don't match up very well

the best first four players Wait no no no no do you say Jaylon Brown's not better than Donald Mitchell Yeah Jalen Brown is not better than Johnlin Brown No I'm sorry I'm sorry for some reason I heard that in I heard I heard it in reverse I thought you were saying that That Brown was better I bet He's been playing great basketball but there's levels of this for sure Yeah listen

I think they are far more vulnerable without KP They're much more of a normal team than an unbeatable superpower But the calves are unserious as fuck And have no shot making No cohesiveness Nothing to go ban for ban with them Aside from Donovan from Mitchell turning into God

Celtics and 5 Would be Celtics in 4 But the Celtics are good for being unsirious Every now and then in giving one up Celtics and 5 pretty easily I think Yeah I could say 5 for sure It'd be lucky if they got to 2

Now if Jared Allen was healthy I would be like okay this might go this might go six because of that size advantage considering KP's gone, but Dan, you know, to playoff how Horford is good. Playoff how Horford rises. They save him all year for this moment. That is true.

That is very true. You know, I'm going to tell things in a sweep. They're going to sweep them. I feel like for the other three series, I have tried not to overreact to the first round. like even like with the thunder with the wolves coming into that series like they sweep Phoenix

and it's like oh wow like they're they're crazy but we know that Phoenix isn't that great so like let's you know like let's let's pump the brakes a little bit the Cavs won game seven and I feel less confident about them just because that they for them to be up to O'O on Orlando

and see the lack of shooting that they have and then ultimately be down 18 at home to that team you guys are you guys are not here for real you guys are not actually trying to like be champions because that because that series should have gone five we all saw just how much of a rock fight it took for orlando to go in and make shots and make threes and do all this stuff and i k p yes mo you are right he makes boston unbeatable they are still unbeatable to the caps. Like if we're talking about like the wolves of the nuggets,

yeah, it's massive, right? Like they can't beat Denver without KP. They could beat Cleveland and they will. Cleveland might beat themselves. Cleveland is unserious. Last playoff round. Last playoff round was a battle of two unserious teams who were going to get their fucking teeth kicked in by the Celtics.

And it would, it's, I disagree though. Orlando is not unsurious They're just they're they're they're badly built Yeah yeah that's what I mean Unserious that's what I mean okay Cleveland is unserious good point They're unserious they're unserious The magic aren't unsurious

But they're not a serious threat though They were never gonna beat the Celtics But because they lack firepower Not because they're Neck and Poops I think the Cavs just can't be trusted From top to bottom They are Neckoops Yes

They're like Yeah I I don't want to see the cats are Ninkin Poops You figure out how to spell it so in the three games that these played that these teams faced off against each other and the Cleveland Cavaliers lost twice only beat them once and that one win that they did have

it wasn't even a serious one because Donovan Mitchell wasn't there Sam Mero was starting and Dean Wade exploded off the bench and gave him like eight three or some crazy shit like that so I don't feel typically good really good about this series at all considering how there's just no real advantage over them like the idea of the cavalier versus the actual products are like two completely different things. And solely because of that, I'm taking the Celtics and I take them, fuck them up. Exactly. I just, Derek White, Derek White, over the last two games, he had 38 and 25 on 8 to 15 for

three and five of 10 from three. If you get 70% of that Derek White, offensively, you're going to kill them. Like him and Drew Holiday are going to put so much pressure on, on Donovan, and we saw all series just how just how much like that like physicality the high the high pickup points that jalen sugs and how much trouble he was given uh demitch if you think that you imagine imagine two jel and sugs all the time and two all all NBA defenders guarding you at every moment like you are going to be pissed off it's going to be a problem for dmitch bro he had nightmares last series bro and now having to face someone who's probably even better than jayette

Elit Suggs and Derek White and Drew Holliday, he might have a stroke mid-game. Like, it's that serious. The Cavs are going to have to run FMLB at the five with Jared Allen out. He's going to guard out for it, be fine. Who was going to guard Tatum and Brown in that starting lineup? Akoro and Struce?

That's the real issue, too. Collard, cornbread, backing cheese. Like, it's food. It's food. They're going to be okay. They're lucky KP is not here. It would be Celtics in three.

And I think that Celtics is three We saw a I like It was very hard Like I kind of like Like went back and forth After that that lost to Miami

But like But like the heat had to knock in like 23 Threes They had to literally set franchise history To beat the Celtics It's going to be the same thing for Cleveland They are going to have to set A franchise record for threes

To beat them in a game Whether if it's at home or on the road. You're going to need that level of shot making. And I don't like predicting, oh, yeah, this team is going to be historically good from three in one of these games. So one of the chat keeps asking me to rap Baby Kim. And you kind of want to do it too. He does. I can never do Baby Kim justice. Yeah, man, I don't even, I'm trying to think of some kind of way to spin it. Like, oh, maybe the Cavs have a better chance than you think. But they've shown me nothing. other than being deeply

unsurious to their core from a team building standpoint from a coaching standpoint from a personnel standpoint from a organizational ownership standpoint from an Adam standpoint down to their core cells they are unsurious

and I just think the Celtics are going to beat the living shit at them I feel so sorry man also don't ever say don't ever say that we like don't give you guys love and the reason why we don't talk about the Celtics like that is because in every series unless they play the

in the next round in every series in the eastern conference they should walk all over exactly their opponent like we're not talking about them they're just too good it's not fun they're being this shit out of yukon and u sc and the g league ignite like these teams have nothing for them it's a ridiculously weak eastern conference there's just nothing to say they're 15 they were 15 games above the rest of the conference like what do you want exactly what do you want us to say it's they want luke cornet breakdowns or what you're not getting that not from All right, that's all the series that are predict Donovan, what is our debate of the day?

Do you have one today? I'm not going to lie. I completely forgot about the debate of the day. Spam L. Donovan, he forgot. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. So it said, Isaac, can you talk crap about the Celtics?

Green's an ugly color in that shade. It's terrible. Damn. L. Yeah, what else we're talking about for? Are you hot takes for it get out of here? Yeah, yeah. Sure.

Chat, it's time for hot takes for it out of here because we don't have a debate of the day. Spam your hot takes for us right now. We'll respond to them. Oh my God, it's been a ridiculous question. Hold on, what did you see? No, it is, it is going to be crazy. I just think of the most ridiculous question in the world.

Okay. From Caleb Gossel. Caleb says, who wins in an oil-dub twerk twerk off? Isaac or Kyle Lyle. Howie. That's a ridiculous comparison. Do we have donuts to read? Oh, I do.

Yeah. Okay. You guys spam your hot takes and read some donos. Shout out to Ethan for tipping $5. He said, hey, boys, I just passed my insurance licensing exam. I just want to thank you all for getting me through the long-term study grind. Love the show. Appreciate you, man.

Shout out to you, man. Shout out to Cumber Rich for donating $15. He said, just want to support the boys My favorite pod for the last year. Love the solo content, Don and Isaac, but when he'll be uploading again. That's a question for Moe. I got him on a solo can.

He better think long and hard about his answer. Pain. Soon. Shout out to Atlanta for $5. Do your predictions for the Nuggets and Wool's series change with the fact that Rudy Gaubert just had a child. We forgot about the dad's string for Riegobert.

He did hit a bank shot the other night too, bro. You might see two of a motherfuckers tonight they've been trying to give him you know this offensive leeway and it does not look good but they're like you got it he might start listen he might get a jump hook overnight so maybe first hot take from dono just came in jack donating five dollars he said hot take it's a wolf's win this year is anthony edward's top 40 all time i don't know what the 40 number let's talk about that i know it's a weird range let's talk about that where does he go all time if he wins a title in like year five or whatever it is at 22 years old

old, that's some 06D wait shit. Like, where does that put him trajectory-wise? So he would, he would... I think it's too hard, too, because he's so young and there hasn't been as much, much to do, you know? It's so hard to put him top for it. I mean, maybe you could solidify him as, like, top 50, sure. I'd take him over Jason Kidd any day.

He'd be top 75, I'll say that. He'll be on that list. His legacy would be just as good as, like, Anthony Davis, you know? He'd be on a path of suppressing him. Damien, literally, all these guys that snuck in. damn a ring at 22 that's that'd be higher wouldn't he be higher than james hardon james hardon has a lot of longevity on the side MVP seasons i wouldn't go that far he'd be on the path though i i if he wins this year i expect he would probably surpassed james

hard and eventually you know 22 that'd be so sick where would you rank if he won a championship this year where would he rank just in general currently in the NBA fifth i don't know next to Like, he'd be high. Yeah. It would be top eight minimum. We're pushing top seven. Atlanta runs the league. I'm so happy.

We're so back. You are not back. This is the debate of the day. Is Moe allowed to claim Anthony Edwards just because they're both from George? No. No. No, you can't. Who makes the rules?

No, you bozos. Go to. hell i can't have shit you guys want to see me sad crying pain you fucking talk about trey young going into fucking spurs all the time leave me the fuck alone i've been an anthony edwards truther since day one i have videos i've been freestown a little baby in his charger went back when he was back in 2020 leave me alone you don't know about this stay over here he said Wow. Yeah, go, we're going full Charles Barkley.

So, okay, what's the next hot take? There's a debate over. Let's see. Let's find more hot things from you guys. I got that next week. Shit, Kevin Durant, Jesus Christ. Where does Luca rank all time if he wins? oh he he would for sure be like top 30 minimum easy i would i would yeah he would be in like top 35 range

really he'd have five first team only b a's and a chip and presumably finally i want to put him top 25 around that age range to be honest with you he's only he's only like six years in so it's not you know compared to that people in that range yeah that's that's that's why like like if if lucca if lucca i guess this kind of kind of goes to you to your point but like if luka gets a ring right now you what like the opposite would be like a

like a Kevin Garnett kind of kind of fit like he would be on that type of like path assuming he doesn't let's just say he like this is the only ring that he gets in his career and he still makes all stars all NBAs all that stuff his his resume would probably look like Kevin Garnett so like if you can get there

then yeah probably like top 20 but for right now probably 35 Make sense Cucumber Rich donated $5 He said hot take Flat wings over drums And blue cheese over ranch I think picking wings over flat

Is such a pick me activity I like flat's just as much as the next guy But I feel like people who say There are so much better than drums I feel like you want wing credibility Like you want Eater Street cred For being so superior And such an advanced eater

That you don't want the simpleton drum You want to do the hard part Because it tastes better And I just don't think it's that much of a difference No no, keep going Keep going. Isaac's a wing whisper. Oh, my goodness.

Yeah, y'all need to understand. Isaac is, he's about this wing life, right? Yeah. He's about it. I don't think I trust, I don't think I trust anybody in the world with wing opinions more than Isaac. Like, I'd like flats too. I feel like I reach for the drums fast sometimes just because it's fine. There's a little bite on the top that's like Krispy is always really good, the first bite there.

Like, people just want to be so superior and such advanced eaters. and it's just not that big of a deal. I'll let you all debate blue cheese over ranch because I don't eat either. Which is, that's, that's your downfall. Not, not even crazy, but. Really? I don't, I'm not a blue cheese kind of guy.

I can't, I can't really do it. I need to. Yeah, I'm always going to ranch over blue cheese for sure. Yeah. I also like drums over, over, over flats. It's just easier to eat. There's no, like, no, you don't have to pick it apart and do all this stuff. No.

So I said, oh my God, these motherfuckers talking about chicken again, racist activity It's just happened Every episode We have a fucking chicken debate So I said it's a hot take Relax No, it's a bad take

It's commonly perpetrated As some kind of heavier Holier than now Almighty food take and it's wrong There you go So I said I think the cast could win If Jared Allen is healthy

I don't know if they'd win But I think it would be a lot more interesting If Jared Allen is healthy could you guys could you guys see kev or south six and six i don't know maybe six is a stretch six is a stretch so much would have to go right bro dare is gone would have to look derrick fete derrick white in his eyes and slap that ball head of his and be like this is my league now man and i don't envision him doing that yeah someone's username is

drake over world greater than world he said how the fuck you big stephen what a size seven men's on we got the drake writers in the chat spamming lyrics get out of here you lost you lost this one why should we get into it now should we use the last hand for the podcast yeah yeah let's do what it was you guys's immediate reaction to this entirety of thing where were you when these this is dropped i've been all my fucking phone well i've been so entrenched in this i haven't thought about anything else for the last 48 hours i was watching fucking nuggets versus timberwolves thinking about Drake and Kendrick because they're assaulting my phone taking all my attention span for the whole week. It's been ridiculous. But yeah, I think if you think Drake Juan, you're either a

dick rider or you're purposely, uh, being a dick writer. I'll just, I'll just look it there. Donovan, what's your thoughts? No, I mean, in my opinion, Kendrick won as well. I think we've seen a minor. We've seen, we've seen, we've seen, we've seen, we've seen, we've seen, we've seen, we've Sorry for not reading your donation. Appreciate you tipping the $5. Appreciate you. We've just seen bad strategy over the last week from Drake. That's really sealed it.

Like if, and it's bad strategy on top of not like us is crazy and it goes and it knocks. And it's like that if you have a, if you have a, if you have a disc track that can be that has that replay value on top of like Drake. not picking the right angles or, or, you know, the right, like, storylines to follow, you, you lost it. Oh, Veeho. I think when Pusha and Drake beef, Drake fans were like, it's not about who has the best gossip. It's about who has the best song.

And W. Freestyle is better than story of Addy Don. J'all just want gossip in Revelations. And now they're like, Kendrick's, Kendrick was lying and Drake's telling the truth. So he wins the gossip battle when Kendrick has the way. better songs, so which side is it? Because one side eviscerated him, far better songs, far better points outside of the gossip, actually getting down to who he is

the person. And the reality is, both these motherfuckers are lying. Drake is not on a pedditor list. Kendrick is not beating anybody. Kendrick is not, the day free shit, come on, like, be serious. They're both liars, so you should just talk about everything else around that. And I just don't know how you could hear everything else around that and be like, oh, yep, Drake had better songs. Who lies the coolest? That's what it's about. Exactly.

Like, Drake's live, Kendrick's like cooler. It was hard. It's a lie off and one is way meaner, way more disrespectful, way more creative, way just better. You know, like it's pretty clear. And again, at the end of the day, you have to understand, you don't know these people. You don't know them. You do not know if Drake is lying or telling the truth. You don't know if Kendrick is lying or telling the truth.

Exactly. You, it really is just about like, yo, are you saying the thing that's. gonna make everybody be like oh like that's that in whatever way you have to get there whether you're lying right whether whether you are saying something that is true whether you're saying actual bars however you get to that moment that is that is what matters exactly take it all with a grain of salt assume everything's a lie stop trying to be an investigative journalist because you watch dj academic streams and just enjoy the music and how they're disrespecting each other and you'll realize it's pretty much a no contest like he got on a track and

told his mom that I think your son should die. And I think LeBron should hide his kids from him. I know that. What do you think LeBron was doing when he heard that shit? Genuine question because you know he's on his, he's on all this shit. And he told his dad, you raised a horrible fucking person. That's hilarious. He told his son that your dad's a bitch and I'll mentor you if you need to really be taught to be a man directly. We're talking about stealing ozempic bottles from people's father's suitcases like yo this is not real life like it's not it's not like a real thing it's it's crazy so but yeah listen kentrick he said the thing and oh and then then kentric take in fucking i mean drake taking responsibility for feeding him false info okay

that whole response was him reading twitter strategy that his fans were saying and be like yeah that one that one works let's go ahead and write that one down that one works write that one down and then him writing a fucking defense attorney testimony at the end and being like I'm done with this after I defend myself after I'm not a so-and-so like it was such an anticlimatic non-dis way to end it that it's like you'll get brownie points if you can convince your fans that it's about who's right and who's wrong because you're not going to convince somebody you have better songs you know especially go ahead also at the beginning of all of this right mind you everybody was kind of taking their time and then it really ramped up this weekend and people

was just dropping songs left or right but at the beginning when drake first got into it he was like kendrick he was like kentrick where you're at like you know i've been waiting i've been waiting all this time mind you he waited drake had waited more time than like other people had have responded drake was waiting a long time but he was he was sitting up there calling kentrick out saying you know we're waiting you're doing all this and then now that kendricks is going back to back to back just just dropping songs doing all this stuff then drake yesterday was like this man it was nice exercise but relax I don't care if you have 10 more songs

like I'm done like you he's like you have 10 more songs why are you doing all that that's kind of crazy like relax dude he started off like come outside come outside and then he's like you know man why are you so obsessed

and you got scared why are you so obsessed with me why do you want so much attention this is hilarious turn and to take credit for feeding a false info when the night of you posted a screenshot reacting to it like it's the first time you heard it like do you really believe if he had done that

he wouldn't have had some kind of receipt he wouldn't have like had screenshots or recordings of the phone call or something and he wouldn't be gloating about it the man who's been on social media nonstop you tell me he wouldn't be posting the social media about how he completely tricked you in this awesome car turn way he would just wait for a while and then be like oh by the way we got you

that doesn't sound like drink at all and another thing a very small aspect of this all of Kendrick stuff has been very personal and very aimed at one person he is all very aimed at Drake everything that he's saying is right at him Drake has he's addressed other people

in this thing and so like whether you feel like okay like he had to because other people were coming at him Kendrick is locked in on Drake and he has one focus and Drake is like okay, well, I've marched for Rick Ross and Metro Booman and then you and then AAC Rocky. Like, you, you didn't spend the whole six minutes

of what you were saying on one person. Like the way that, that Kendrick was. So that's also like another small part of like why in my opinion he's behind the eight ball on a lot of this stuff. You know, why? Because he had to. Because he had to pad the time because only thing he said, because he didn't have anything.

Was two made up rumors that he just pulled out of his asshole and then had to double down on for the next song because once you get past that, you're like, Oh shit, what do I say? Fuck, fuck, fuck. You're small again. He hasn't had it with this and other people because there's not much to say. Meanwhile, Kendrick is telling you, I want you to care yourself in a hundred different languages.

Like, it's so different. Also, shout out Jay Cole, right? The real winner in all of this. Everybody was hating on Jay Cole, right? For his apology. He knew. He knew that it was going to get to a very, very ugly place that. did not want to go to that he did not want to be in and he thought that he thought it was just

going to be a workout right he thought everybody was going to go into the gym people were going to you know lifting ways doing all this stuff then kensik starts throwing those at drake's head and he's like whoa whoa whoa I was not expecting this like I thought we're just going to I thought we're just getting working I shout this slumber jack he said also Drake has no idea what mother i sober was about exactly he wants to talk about he wants to attention to detail this motherfucker's illiterate He's cited a source And showed he can't read Good job

Good job, Croney So where's the NBA content? My guy, you had an hour and a half of it before this Welcome to fucking 2024 We're talking about Drake and Kendrick We are no better than everybody else We got anime hentai accounts on Twitter talking about this shit Everyone's getting in their fucking saying

Listen, we've had We've had people literally spend days, dedicate their whole days to talking about this. I've had to send several indeed LinkedIn links to people to tell them to go outside, get a job, and take your mind off of this because you are too entrenched because once again, you do not know these people, right? So like, it's fun to talk about and we're talking about it at length right now, but if this is stopping you from touching grass, turn this off and go touch grass. Like you need, you need to get some Sunrise, please.

Fuck, I got a weird case. Why is he around? There's so many, so many things, man. But listen, one guy weighed the white flag. I feel like it's pretty clear. Yeah. All right. Did he get swept?

I mean, Family Matters is a good song. Like, he has, he didn't like, he did his job, right? He did, he made Drake songs, and he did a good job doing what, you know, he can do. He can have some clever lines, rap really well, make it a hit, and be funny. He's pretty funny about it. but then you see Kendrick did what everybody expected Kendrick to do by making far more high quality songs

far more emotional songs, far more emotional songs, far more everything, right? Because we just know he's a better artist. So they both did what they're supposed to do and it went pretty much exactly how you would expect given these two artists what we've known about them for a decade. Unless your name is DJ Vlad,

then you'd think that Drake's quality is better. Poor mix. Shut up. Unless you have an owl in your Twitter name and then you're just like, Oh, my God, Juan. You guys got destroyed. Yeah.

General's tweet. Gotcha. Yeah, man. I guess that's it. I guess it's the end of the episode. Nice. Go Nix, man. Nix and six.

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