The Deep 3 Podcast - Power Ranking All 30 NBA Teams | Ep. 183

Episode Date: January 29, 2026

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We're in the middle of the best stretch of NBA basketball of every single season. The stretch about three to four weeks before All-Star Break before the All-Sert weekend comes around where all the players get rejuvenated to get some time off. Where every single fan base in the NBA thinks their team is terrible because January Malays post-holidays is here. And because of that, we're going to sit back. Take in all these teams at their absolute lowest and rank them all against each other doing our second power rankings of the season. Perfect time to do this. You have to catch people at the lowest Exactly

It's only why to judge people We're not at the lowest I've always said this Exactly If you're not with me at my lowest You don't deserve me at my best Three game win streak Free game

I don't know nothing about a low right now We're up But it's a little different today Normally when you guys see We do these power rankings We all come in We rank every team one through 30 We compare

We argue we slander each other Mixing it up a little bit Every season for now on I say every season For this season The first power ranking We did a couple months ago will be that. The third power ranking we do before the playoff start will be that.

But this one will be a group power ranking where we put every single team into this pyramid. So it's kind of like a quasi tier list meets rankings. We're going to do it as a group and have a cumulative opinion on the top 30 teams. I will still slander one of y'all. Oh, yeah, arguing will still be happy because one of you was in a fuck on my list. And that's a bigger deal than your list being bad. Your list is already fucked buddy. I'm just telling you the truth. Well, I didn't put the hawks at three. Nah, nah, nah, yeah. Should be at one. So with that being said, let's rank every single team in the NBA as a collective.

Talk about who's up, who's down. Cue the intro music. We're throwing it back. Whoa. That's crazy. He was bragging. I don't eat it. The cranium is crazy.

Oh my God. Crown eaters rejoice. Before we get started on our main topic, It is only right that we start this episode by acknowledging the newest saga, the newest update in the world's least climactic trade request of all time we have more Janus News to react to.

Per Shams Sharani yesterday, two-time MVP Janice Atenacumpo is ready for a new home on February 5th NBA trade deadline or in the off season as several rival teams make aggressive offers to the Milwaukee Bucks for him and the franchise is starting to listen.

Look at this. Pay attention to the syntax. because all of these Yannish trade reports from Shams are worded so unbelievably particularly to convey whatever the agent or team want him to convey every single time. It is hilarious. Still to the day has not requested a trade. Nope. Hasn't demanded a trade because you won't do that. That's not in his nature to ask for a trade like that. But he's open. He's ready. Yep. So last time we got an update was that Yannis and his agents are starting a dialogue with the team. About two months ago, we got Yonison and his representation.

are starting the conversation about his future. That's how it was said. Not a request, not a demand. Just opening the conversation. And now he is ready. Again, not saying I want, but I'm ready for a new home with the deadline. I'm open to it.

And the team is starting to listen. Not the team is shopping him. Not the team is fielding offers. They are beginning to listen. Shit, man. If this is so irritating because the whole verbiage is so interesting, what do you mean?

Like, you're starting to listen that he wants a new home. going to take him out apartment shopping somewhere in Wisconsin. Like we can be real more specific here and just get straight to the point. But it's hilarious seeing this happen over the course of, what, I guess, eight, nine months now. And you've been vexed the entire time because he's like the greatest. I don't even think he's the greatest manipulator now because we all see through it. And at this point in time, you're just playing in our faces. Just do it. You know, at this point in time, he's just an honest guy who's like, I won't do it. So I'm going to say everything but trade me.

And that's what it is. We all have to accept that. It's annoying, but is what it is. And I think we're going to speak agentese a little bit here and try to say what actually is happening by this report, they both come to the realization. This team will not be fixed. The best thing for everybody is to at least see you the opportunity of a trade. And that's a big step for the team who has obviously been under the idea that no matter what, keeping Janus is the best case scenario. Just because he's Janus, team, there's no path in which you're a better team, a better franchise, leading a better fan base without Janus than with. They since realized that's probably not realistic given the fact that Yannis wants to win and he has a mutual understanding that he's

always clearly had just doesn't want to be the bad guy. So that's the first part. He's ready for a new home meaning the team is ready for a new home. And I think starting to listen for the franchise and notice carefully it says either at this deadline or in the off season means I'll hear you. If you give me a great offer, I'll take it. But I'm not desperate. I will wait till the offseason if the deals are bad. So don't think this is some kind of gun to my head. I got to trade Yannis. Give us your best and final offer now or we'll wait until the summer when the Miami Heat, when the Lakers, et cetera, all get more for Sean picks. And that's, I mean, that's obviously the key about it.

And the, I think the frustrating part about Janus not saying, like, trade me now is that we're not going to get, or at least for him, where I think it can be better is you can really put your foot on the, on the buck's neck and say, I want to go here and be in full control of your destiny and say, you know, I want to, I want to go to this team. I want to go to this team. Let's do all of that. By not saying I want to be traded and by just being, you know, I'm ready. I'm open.

Whatever. Then you allow the bucks to now say, well, this is the best deal that we got and you can go anywhere. And it doesn't really like, it doesn't really matter about sending Janus to a contender at that point. Because according to any of the verbas we've gotten, that's not the language that we've gotten from, from you or from your agents or anything like that. So I do think it would be better for him if he just came out. said like, yeah, I want to, I want to trade. And it could, it could work like that. Yeah. This whole process has been the opposite. It was better for him. Every step along the way he's reminded us, he's not going to do it's better for him. And maybe that's noble.

Whatever, maybe that is something you'd like to see from a superstar who's paying. But you still doing it. You know, like, you still are every three months having your agents send out a tweet saying that you are open and that you are having conversations internally and having these like deep long journaling sessions about you know how it's okay if you leave Milwaukee that's fine and and my point throughout this entire thing is like I don't care if you want to leave Milwaukee I'm nobody's mad about that it really is just the clarity and the honesty because even even with this team specifically it's probably better if there is if there's clarity top down between the front office between the players between the coaches everything if

everybody just is looking at each other and knows what's actually going on rather than every two to three months we go through a losing skid I think I I think it's it's about my time like I like I would much rather you take the the dame uh route where dame for years is like now bro like I want to be here I want to be here yeah and then eventually he said okay I want to be traded and the backlash that I think yonis is like I don't really want that that name on on me in terms of like oh you request a trade you didn't want to leave nobody feels that way about Dame. Yeah.

I think Janice is scared of being LeBron when he left to Cleveland Cavaliers. Then don't leave multiple times out to that. Like, you can stay. That's not even the same. I understand that. He probably is singing like that. But those things are not even the same thing

because, you know, he won already his first go around. There doesn't need to be no coming back or like if there's no like incomplete story being built over there in Milwaukee at all. The worst part about this is just like no one is standing on anything at all and everyone's just playing both sides constantly on both sides of the fence.

do we trade him or trade them not trade him trade them not and you're right like it's like it's hurting everywhere bro like why am i here watching i think this game happened like a week and a half ago or something like that where they got pieced up by the denver nuggets with no playoff worthy rotational players i'm talking about like we i'm watching jellon pick it cook him watching spencer jones cook them i don't even think you paint watson was playing in that game at all bro and then like of course last week they played against okay c2 and a couple games after that yonis got hurt like that like i just wish that someone was to stand on something because even seeing that that tree that you just pulled up where Chris

Haynes was like, yeah, he still didn't formally request a trade. What are we talking about here, man? These agents in their work is dirty. Just a bunch of PR spins at their PR spins. And yeah, the lack of clarity is the annoying part for people. This is the best case scenario for the bucks, I think. 100%. This team was clearly not going anywhere. They had a stretch the first week of the season where we saw the best case scenario with this team when Yonis is playing out of his fucking mind and it was okay if yonis plays 82 games and plays 35 minutes a game a combination of things that he does not do that'd be crazy then sure this even can be a playoff team they are incredible with him on the court they have the shooting they have the athleticism etc when he's off the court

not so much now you add and he's missing time it's a lost cause in terms of them actually winning around yonis thank god they're no longer feeling obligated do the opposite and try to buy in at the deadline and make the team better by getting a zach levine or whatever the hell they were going to do good for them that's no longer on the mind seemingly. Now with Janus missing the next four to six weeks, they have no choice with the tank. They're just going to be bad for the next four to six weeks. If I forgot that he self-diagnosed that,

if his expertise on cap strains is true and it is four to six weeks, they will be bad, they will be terrible for the next five weeks. They will not be in striking distance to make the playoffs, so that's the case. They're currently in the 10th seat, I think. Yeah.

If they have five-share weeks of bad basketball, they're just going to be really bad. And that whole idea of them sitting on us down and be like, okay, you can stay if you want, but we're shutting you down for the season. We're going to tank, get a high pick. We'll see what happens next summer. You can either stay with that high pick or we'll trade it to make the team better for you or we'll trade you, whatever.

That's in front of them now. And I don't know how this goes into that calculus. We can talk about if they're better off trading him now or the summer in terms of the packages we realistically think are possible. But this is a pretty good outcome for the bucks, all things considered. I think like right now might be. it might be the best option because I do think as we get further along, there's only so many words that you can put together to say that you are thinking about

a trade request before you get the actual one. And so until Yannis actually says, I want to be traded, I want to go to X team, do you have the control in terms of what deal that you're going to get? And you have every single team that is going to be lining up to try and give you a trade package for it. So I think right now would be the best opportunity. and we've seen what happens multiple times, especially with the honest.

Cafferings have been a part of his, of his, you know, of his bag, of his injury bag for the last, like, two to three years. I don't need anything wild happening the, like right before we're about to trade him. So I'm with you. I would sit him down. I would not play him again. I would get the best draft pick that I can get. And then I would move forward from there. Yeah.

And I honestly don't think that there's going to be like any teams for real outside of maybe one and one. Of course, there's always other like random teams that come out the woodworks and just like steal away the show. But for Janice and particularly, I don't know because of this contract and all that. Like I don't know who would be forward willing and have the assets specifically to go ahead and do such a thing considering, okay, going back to what you said, the health stuff. And while also thinking about like what this actually means basically changing the entire identity. of your fucking franchise. You know, there's only one team in my mind who could do that and that's potentially the Knicks.

Other than that, if you're like any other team, why the hell would you do that? So you're saying why would you do that in terms of doing as a deadline and post the off season? Exactly. You said that, I understand that logic. I've heard a lot of people say that. I think it's crazy to think that if Yana said,

I want to trade today, that teams would be lining up. I get the logic. It's 50 games in the season. A lot of these things are good trying to win a playoff series. They're like, I don't want to disrupt what I got. There isn't a single team in the NBA outside of the Thunder. and the Denver Nuggets who feel like they have a real chance

of winning the finals right now. I bet these teams would be lining the fuck up if they make it official. I don't think it's as obvious as some people are making it seem. So what teams do you think would line up?

All of them. Like in general, so like they're doing for all of them. I don't think anybody would pass up with an opportunity for Janus because they had the amalgamation of what they have for last 50 games

based on the product they've gone. It's not going so well for anybody. Maybe like the Pistons because we know they're so like dead set on their core. They're seemingly a little like, we're going to ride the wave, we're going to be the thunder, we're not going to make any moves. Should that be the case?

No, they should be lined up as well. Any other team you want to say, I know the pick thing is the actual thing that makes a difference in terms of if they get a package of bucks would take. But I think from their POV, any team would probably be more willing than we assume. There's, I'm kind of in the middle of. I feel like there's like five teams right now that that will probably say no in terms of like the thunder. I think the Celtics would say no. I think the Rockets would say no. Will they say no or would they not be fit?

So those teams like they're not really, the Thunder would say no. The Rockets just kind of aren't capable of doing it right now. So like being uncapable is different to me. What's the team you said before the Rockets? The Celtics. Yeah, why would the Celtics say no? I mean, I just don't think they're in position.

Yeah, I don't know if they're a team that actually fits, Yonis, but if they do feel like to fit Yonis. There's crazy ways to get Yonis on the team. And I'm saying either way, if you're saying we're going to trade like J.B. or we're going to trade or we're trading Tatum right like those two guys are just not that far does that's what I'm saying like those the past to get Janus even though it would be an upgrade because Janus is the third best player in the world right so you're getting him over over Jaylen Brown you're

getting him over Jason Tatum coming off and Achilles you're just not going to do that but I think that like it's it's just like it's it probably doesn't make sense they probably can't do it and so there are a couple teams at the top where yeah like there's definitely more than a couple teams you said you said it to the very like obvious one at this point is is the nix like because i think before this it the obvious team was the hawks where they should they should have made the play they should have made them milwaukee there pick back you could have gave them tray young you could you could you could have allowed them to have a pick and to have a all-star a you know that was never going to happen giving up the pick would never going to happen but trade that's all for the baby but the pick never

happened would never happen never happen we have no that wouldn't never happen, I promise you. That pick is so five. I mean, what if they're like, we'll do just for him, him and dead salary for Yannis? Like, never happened? That pick would never happen, bro. You know what such a- Well, that's crazy. Never? If it's just that for Yonis? I mean, that's unrealistic. Okay, okay. You're saying in a realistic

scenario? Yeah, in a realistic scenario, that would never happen to because, like, we have two opportunities to get. Listen, I I'll just give you the pick. Like, let's just be real. I'm good. So, yeah, there's a lot of teams that wouldn't want Yonis, but I think they won't want Yonis in the summer either. Like, the Celtics if they were to want Janus, you're right,

it would have to be trading one of those guys, which I don't think they're going to want to do that period because of franchise legends. You can't build a team with $3, $60 million salaries, so I don't think they're ever going to have Janus, J.B, and Tatum. I think a team who should be interested alongside the Nix, but things are getting better, a lot better as of late, and I'm sure, like, we're going to talk about it later

as you go on to the main topic, but the Cleveland Cavaliers, they felt like a team who should probably be interested in them. That's what I mean. That's the type of team, to your point that, like, the point that some teams aren't going to want to do it because at this point in the season needs unhealthy, or a team like the Raptors

or God forbid the Clippers they somehow could do it, whatever these middle tier teams that are deep in their season and we could be like maybe they don't want to mix it up right now. I find that argument hard to believe because of Yonis.

And especially if you're looking around the teams and you say, okay, the Miami Heat are going to have three first-on picks available this summer. The Lakers will have three Warriors are even more. These teams that are a little more glamorous

and maybe he might put his finger on the scale and say, I want to go there. If I'm a team like these middle-tier teams that I'm having a good season, I would not let that stop me from getting Janus in my door. see I think I agree with you my my point more so is I think it was this is more so like an off-season thing I don't think any of these teams are in position to do something like this right now

asset wise maybe for some of them especially like we said the Miami heat where they just don't have the picks available yeah but I think the calves are a good example of a team that should not give a fuck about it I can a hundred and ten percent see a scenario where the calves they have this miraculous second half of the season run and they end up finishing I don't know like a top two or three seed and they crash fumble and they just burn in the playoffs and they need to just change some shit up and then boom yonis is the cap i could see that when you realize also the calves are a hard example to use this anyways being the second apron team makes it difficult and the fact that their tray package is probably based around young players and not picks so like using them as a comparison is hard because the second apron makes everything yeah difficult but something of that nature you know yeah the raptors are probably the best example of this middle tier team that is capable now but having successful enough season that maybe they could be like let's write it out and see you in the summer hell no like the raptors like that means you're putting scottie barnes at the

face of that conversation. No, I think you want to be pairing Scotty Barnes with. I think with them, they would be, they have all their picks. So that's a good example. If it becomes available this week and they're, they are, well, I shouldn't even say if they are listening right now, I'm sure the Raptors are putting offers out there. It's whatever amalgamation of those contracts nobody wants. RJ Barrett.

RJ Barrett, Pervert, real quickly as just money. It's an interesting young player. You don't know Jacoby Walter. You throw in shed, whatever it may be CMB, and then all their picks because they can offer the full arrangement of three person on picks, four picks and all that. They can do that now. And will they be capable of winning a championship right now with Janice, Scotty Barnes, Ingram? No.

But that's a pretty good nucleus. You're going to make some noise in the playoffs and you can build on that in the summer and I've already had one playoff run with Janus in your doors. That's worth it to me to not put it off into the off season. Yeah, I think if it just, it makes sense for the middle tier teams and for the bucks to get it done now, just to make sure that like both teams get the best, the best value. If I'm trading for Janus, I want Yonis. honest, who played the most amount of games in my uniform as possible.

I'm not going to wait another 40, you know, or I guess 30 games at this point. I'm not going to wait that much until he gets into the summer. And again, like, we see whatever change of heart that he has. I don't want to do with that. Just get on the plane, get to our facility, and let's work everything out from there. I think it really comes down to as the Warriors. Apparently, we've seen reports that the teams that are at the forefront of conversations, which is so early in the conversations, I don't even know if this is like really

what doesn't come down to. We've heard the Knicks, obviously, the Raptors, Miami Heat, and the Warriors. The heat are a non-factor until those off-season. So the heat are praying that the Bucks do their due diligence and wait until the summer to more teams than have those picks, like mostly the Heat and the Lakers. The Warriors have their picks now.

The Warriors can do the full assortment. Jimmy Butler, Kaminga, if you want like pause or whatever, I fucking guess. And all the picks in the world, if the bucks are interested in the post-Stef Warriors' picks as prime assets, there's no reason to wait for them. They should be. That team is going to be so bad.

Okay. And if the Bucks agree and if the Warriors are willing to go all in, which is we've been here for five years, the Warriors are waiting to go all in for Yannis, there's no reason that doesn't happen next week then, if those things are all alignment. It should happen, once again, save my life can go to career.

But that would be one of those things where, and obviously it's very hard to project super far out with other teams' picks and you never know where anybody is capable of. But I'm the number one, priority should have been. Let's try to get our own pick back, right? Let's see, let's see how many of our picks that are out there in the universe right now that we can restore back to Milwaukee. And then after that, now I'm taking bets on who I think is going to be the worst and a team like the Warriors who

has shown for the last five years, not only that they will, they will put some chips in the middle to kind of keep, uh, keep stuff in this window open. But they haven't hit on their draft picks in a while. So like all the other guys that they're that they're bringing in their the young players. Yeah, you're cool. We just need bodies. I'm not really like super super interested in pods as like based on our franchise, whatever or like key factors. I just know that that if that regime stays in place, it's going to be more pods on the way. You guys are going to keep sucking. More pods on the way. The threat of more pods. The threat of more pods looms. So yeah, obviously the warriors are a factor in that regard. I think it's actually fairly likely that we have

actually get something happens to the worries this time just because if again if they're willing to put all their picks on the table right now why not why wouldn't it happen yeah and we and we say this time they made them move last time yeah and jimmy butler's hurt now so they have even more desperation we're about to our power rankings without jimby but they're not stiff in the top 15 like this team sucks right now with or not so far right now but does not have any hope making the playoffs they will suck so it makes sense for them you mentioned if the best case scenario could happen for the bucks it would be getting their picks back then again they should just pick back from the atlanta hawks because they'll line of hawks because they'll

have no reason trade for Janus. They're kind of out of the conversation now post-Trey Young Trade. There's a report that Drew Holiday is somebody that Janus wants to play with again. Don't know how real this is. I don't know if it was a fleeting thought or if this is some kind of actual leverage play

that he wants to pair up with Drew Holiday again. Whatever it is, people are now saying who else has all their picks and could do that trade today if they want to go all in? Portland. The Portland Trailblazers. Would Janus want to sign a contract extension in Portland?

Hard to believe. But if they want to, if they want to say, well, bet on ourselves. They can get them right now, pair them with Drew. that's so awkward, but it feels like something that you cannot shut down if you're Portland because you're still in the midst of finding your identity. You drafted Scoo Henderson, who sounds like a myth at this point a couple years ago,

who's made like really no impact to your team at all. And then you have Denny who, of course, is like cool player or whatever, but where is this, where are we going? Where is this leading us to? I would consider that if you're Portland. The game piece, do you feel like the Dame and Yonestine works if there's Drew Holiday there? Sure.

It could work, but I'm not, Drew, Dame is just irrelevant in my mind if I'm, like, Portland. I'm not putting him apart of anything. If he comes back and he's good, that's just, like, gravy. Like, who knows? Yeah.

And I certainly, like, there, Damon and Janice isn't some toxic duo that you just, like, can't reunite. Like, yeah, it's not like Chris Paul and Blake Griffin. Yeah, like, it's fine. Yeah, I mean, we just,

like, we literally just saw them together. Yeah. Together. And then since then, one of them has blown out their Achilles and the other one has had multiple cap strans. And now we're going to go into this, into this new era with Drew Holiday, who's making crazy money, who's also aging himself.

It just feels. But that's not top of him. It feels like a weird situation to try and restart all of that. It is weird. And I think it is certainly weird. It would be like a Luca to Lakers thing where, of course, it's weird now. Our mind isn't on this next team, this next year being good. It's on, we have Yonis now and then start building around him.

I think the damn thing, even the Drew Holiday thing, that'd be nice to appease Janus if he apparently wants Drew Holiday. that wouldn't be like top of mind. The only reason why I would think about it a little bit more is just because he's not, Luca's 25, 26 right now. You can tell yourself, yeah, it's okay this year and even next year. We have another eight years of Luca here

and you have time to build it out. Janus is 30-something. 31. Yeah. And he's not, he's not getting younger. He plays a very, very physical style of basketball. I think if you do trade for Yonis, you have to be very, you have to be very, very willing and able

to try and create a contender right now in this moment. I think the Portland Trail players are like very much the perfect team to do so. Like they're not, they don't have the most inspiring young pieces at all. Like Denny, of course, good player, whatever.

Shaden Sharp, good player, but he's like the most whatever player ever. Like these players right here can be shifted and turned around for other assets who could be more win now pieces. And then I'll talk about that too, like they have all the insurance in the world with their picks.

Obviously when it comes to getting honest, it's probably going to take a lot of those picks to be forfeited, but they have their own picks, like regards to the fact. And so they have all the gravy in the world to shift things. I do agree, though. That's why I don't think the Portland should be

getting them. I don't think they're a position to be good right away. And I agree. That's, I don't think Janus probably, no reason to assume he wants to sign a contract extension in Portland, and they're not good enough right away. I'm with you.

They're not going to get him. But it's possible because they do have bucks picks and they can give them some back and they have true holiday. Yeah. My favorite idea is the Warriors, though. Me too. Then there's a Knicks. If they do that,

It's, you're praying to God that the Bucks like Carnotlandtowns, like McIlbridge's, like the idea of staying good with these Winnow players. And you're all in on sending your core players, like the supporting cast you have around Jalen Brunson, big parts of that, part of your starting lineup. To the Bucs for Yannis. And it's kind of like the conversation we had earlier that does it make total sense right now? Will your team be complete and like fully make sense and be fleshed out and have the death? No. but if you can get you honest, you get them. Let's do it.

Let's do it. I'm down. I think there was a report today from Sam Amick when he was talking about how Kat wasn't super happy hearing his name, be in trade conversations all summer long and then those feelings have still persisted. And so I think when you have that,

you factor in the way that the season has gone for him, the fact that it is one of his worst seasons as a pro in a very, very long time. and the vibes just every single night are very, very, very tough. I'd be, I'd be okay moving on from, from Kat in this era. And I do think that even like McKell, and I like McElbridge's a lot, but there are a certain amount of times where that, that value and that price tag of five first-all picks, when he's not playing at that level,

it feels like such a burden of like, dang, like we really gave up all, all of our assets, all of our big moves to go acquire you. So if that's what it takes and then you do have a trio of Brent or really a duo of Brunson and Janus and then you have your supporting players, you have your OG, you have your Deuce McBride, I like that a lot. And I'd be willing to do it. Yeah, I don't know. I feel like unmoved by the next thing just because of how weird it is.

If I was a next fan, I'd be with you. Let's do it as a passive observer that just wants to see a. cool Yonah's trade destination. It doesn't really move me just because the team would be so fucking weird right away after trading multiple starters. But if at the end of the day, having Yonis in New York next to Jailen Brunson

and figuring the rest out later will be interesting. Yeah. Yeah, it would be fun. The Warriors is the best case in the area though. It's the most fun for sure. Seeing them go all in. Either crashes and burns, over he has some glory.

The stuff have three more years than him, especially being transitioned to a sidekick. Three? Yes. I think so. You need three years of stuff and Yonis together for this to be worth it. think. I can give you two.

Well, are we including this year as a year? Whatever. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Two more years of him being a star? We can. Can he match LeBron's longevity being three years younger?

I think, yeah, either two or three years younger. Can Steph play two's 41 or 42? Maybe. That's the question. You're going to ask yourself if you're the Golden State Warriors. When you're four years, a certain wall that just hits the fuck out of you, man. Yeah. And Lebrons felt it.

But he's still capable of being a supporting star. no one's under the impression that LeBron could be the best player on a team right now in this scenario Yan is to be the best player in the team and obviously

Steph's shooting makes him the ultimate secondary player we never really seen it but could happen but then also we could see when is this being again like one of the most modern day one of the best modern day

for us like catastrophes because Steph's not necessarily the most healthiest player in the entire world and of course we've talked about the whole Janus thing before those two are not playing who's playing

yeah well any of the day even if Seth does get really, really washed. Janus is a pretty good building block to figure things out around. Yeah, they owe it to them. They owe it to them.

So we will see what this goes. To cap this off, let's talk about, let's do a little game with his trade destinations. Keep for a cut four, Janish trade destination edition. Okay. And this is based on what we want to see. So just pure, not best packages,

just what you want to see as a fan. Let's do it. Keep four destinations cut for. First off, Miami Heat, do you want to see him play with Bam out of Bio? Cut that. I don't need to see that at all. I'm okay.

Defensively would be cool. Offensively, I'll know. It will be interesting. Miami needs this bad, bro. They've been missing on so many goddamn stars year after year after year. They need it. I want to see. Yeah, we're cutting that.

We're at voting. Come on, man. Miami, what's going on? No. Come on, man. New York Knicks. Do you want to see him in the Big Apple? Please, please save me.

That's cinema. We're in the jacket. Save me. Yeah, the cinema. Why not? Is it worth it just to get rid of cat? Yes. Doesn't care at all about the NBC.

Dude, they're wearing their future completely on the fucking line. It's hilarious. I want to see it burn. I don't care too much about seeing him and Brunson together, but just seeing Janice in New York in general would be a fun time, so we'll keep it. Golden State Warriors, do you want to see him and Steph Curry? Keep. Yeah.

Hell yeah. Yeah. One of the most insane. How could you do that? Be louder. Yeah. Be stronger, in your opinion. I wouldn't mind it. Yeah, you can't be like, it's okay to see the best shooter of all time, the best slasher of all time.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I guess it would be cinema or something. Yeah, it's getting done. I guess so. They would be awesome. Let me know what it's done. Toronto Raptors How do I feel about this? If it happens, good for them. Cut.

I'm not dying to see that big three of Brandon Ingram, Scotty Barnes, and Janus. Ingram got to go. That's the only issue with me, man. Like, there's just... Well, if he's got to go, the half-course shot making of Janus and Scottie Barnes is a bit awkward.

Hey, Janus, man. Two elbow players? I need you in a lab. Just throwing the ball back and forth between the elbows, front horns. Strong as wings of the league, though, for sure. So, fuck. High low, high-low. We know our brain to basketball.

We need yons to play center, which could be cool. But I'm going to go cut compared to what it's probably coming. I'm never really thinking about like the Raptors and they're there like happiness like that. So not. Don't pretend you don't hate Canada. Just say it. I'm kidding. I fuck with Calgary though.

But nah. What do you from Calgary? Calgary school. Where does that come from? It's in Canada. I know, but like why Calgary? People. Friends.

Okay. My visit there. Okay. You just try to make sure you're good at Calgary. Yeah, I'm not, I'm good. Have you ever been to Calgary? No, I, no, never. This is a real random insertion that I'm curious.

Met someone who's in Calgary right now. Shout out to you. Just letting me know you don't hate this city. I don't like Canada, but I fuck a Calgary. That's it. Okay. Calgary's cool with me. Lakers.

Hell no. Get the fuck out of here. Get the fuck out of here. Get the fuck out of here. Cut the app. Please. It's over. Three first time picks and Reeves.

Janice and Luca, Dinna Duo, Lobs. Never happening. Defense behind Luca. We've told you before. Never happened. Stop being greedy. They told me Luca never.

Your stomach's full, man, relax. They told me LeBron would never happen. Put the plate down. Okay. So that's now, Lakers are cut. Three cuts and two keeps, I think, right? Maybe. I lost track.

We cut the heat. We cut the Raptors and we cut the Lakers. Yes, we kept the Warriors and the Knicks. Okay. Two keeps, three cuts. Orlando Magic. Do you want to see a Palo for Janus swap? You know, if you're Orlando, this is like a saving fucking grace right now.

I understand. Palo's been playing well at least this month specifically. But still, man. Weller. This is something that you need. This is the greatest jail break card ever. I'm not going to have Franz, Suggs, Bain is not a bad supporting cast for Yonnas. It's not.

But the moment, like, their problem throughout all of this is like, yeah, man, like we need some shooters. And then Palo is shooting terrible. You go ahead, put another non-shooter. Even though that as Janus, it would be the nastiest suits that they've had in a while. I'm not going to lie. Your shooters are going to look a lot better playing off of Yonis gravity. I'm doing it. I want to see him on the magic.

I'm keeping it. I'm keeping it. Let's keep it. That'll be fun. They'll be good. Anthony Black. It's not a bad place to start for Yonis. And also for the Milwaukee Bucks, having someone like Paula just figured,

shut out while also being entertained in his own special way would be great for those fans. Put it over there. Okay, three keeps, three cuts. Detroit Pistons. Do you want to see Cade play with Yannis? We got to keep this. I still have no idea how I feel about it. He would fit that culture so fucking well.

What do you mean? That's a team that would need shooters. They need somebody. You probably got to trade with Jalen Duren. You probably got to do like Jalen Dern, Ron Holland, and a bunch of picks. Jeline Dern, Ron Holland. Sorry, it doesn't matter. I need him next to Cade.

I don't care how this happens. Make it happen. We're losing a lot of dogs. As long as beef stew is still there, I'm good. I'm good. All right. So beef stew is Fon d' Untouchable. Untouchable beef stew.

Yeah. I would love to keep one haul into, but if he got to go, he got to go. Is it nastier that beef stew is untouchable? That Terrence man was untouchable. Terrence man. Yeah, Tarynx too makes sense.

Keeping it. Yeah, let's keep it. Hell yes. And our last cut, I had the Charlotte Hornet's written down. Oh, yeah. No, no. You don't want to see how to start.

Slow down, slow down, so on, so, no. What those? Who did you have to trade for him? Brandon Miller, probably. Brendan Miller, all your picks? I'm not doing this. Keep con Lavello? I'm not doing it.

They're having a good time. Yo, y'allis what fucking hate Lamello. I turn the mellow. Lavelo, Lavelo, they're going to be the bucks. They have,

listen, they caught and bread in Miller next to yon. This is a big team. That is cooking. Still don't want to see it. Okay. But it is a big team.

That's our final cut. What type of basketball were you playing in Charlotte, man? That would be so goofy. I wouldn't hate it. I mean, they'd be unstoppable offensively. I don't know what they have to give up.

Fair or not, but, You haven't thought about that at all. I mean, Miles Bridges and Lamello make money-wise, I think. Those are two big contracts. Damn. You just, actually, now that you put it like that, you're just sending the problems out. Send them in the, send away the problems and all the picks in the world.

Yeah, if you're just sending the problems to Rikers, then it's like, okay. It's right. Milwaukee is Rikers. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. All right. I have no idea what the top president of Milwaukee is. I don't know if anybody does.

The top, do you know the top president? anywhere. There's no prisons. I have a note on my phone. You go to prison visits. What's going on? People do that, though. People do that.

Lonely women try to find soulmates in prison, like pen pals of incarcerated men. I'm sure, vice versa, too. Yeah. I'm sure vice versa. I'm sure just meant to do that. Sick, man.

That's a whole storyline in orange's new black. That's disgusting. Next thing we're going to do, let's move on. to the main topic of this episode. Let's talk about power ranking every single team in the NBA. Like I said, this time, we're going to do it as a group ranking. We have here, this pyramid, every team on here.

We're going to start from 30 or work away up to one. Now, the bottom of this tier list, in the past month or so, the tanking teams have really started to materialized. There's some bullshit basketball being played right now by a handful of teams. We can knock out this bottom five to seven real fast. Let's go ahead and do it. Let's do it. And so I have a tier of 17s of my notes that are on the bottom from 24 to 30 in whatever order we want.

Pacers, Pelicans, Kings, bucks, jazz, nets, wizards. I put the bucks in there with Yon as being out now, I think they'll be dog shit. If you want to say they're the top of that tier, I would understand it. But we can start at 30. Who's the worst team in the league? I actually think, okay, so worst team in the league, we either go on Washington or New Orleans. Washington is one in nine in our last 10 games. Washington it is.

I will say the Brooklyn Nets are also like one and nine last 10 games. They lost by 60 and they lost by 30. They did put up 66 points the other day. We got to put them out. We got to put them 30. They're tanking now. But the Wizards are also terrible. I think Nets and Wizards are the bottom two.

Okay. It doesn't matter. Whatever. Sort of it. Yeah. We're flying through the bottom so we get to the interesting part. Let's go. We'll go Wizards 30, Nets, 29.

Just to applaud the tanking efforts of the Brooklyn Nets, who have obviously been a lot better than 29 for the course of the season. but man, are they tanking right now? Why can I not see the Wizards? Where are... I was looking for a while. 28s. Yeah, Jazz, Kings, Pelicans, Pacers, Bucks.

Also, listen, the Pacers as well, like, they're just not good. Yeah. Like, that's the thing. It's like, they're not as egregious as some of these other teams who you can still see them, like, playing hard, but they're just not good at basketball. 12 and 36 on the season.

They are 5 and 5 in their last 10 games. They're getting a little healthier now. They're not good paired with terrible injuries. That's the course of the year. They've been a joke. Yeah. Five and five in the last 10 games. Maybe they deserve to be above like the Pelicans.

Maybe. But like, do you do? They deserve to be above the Kings as well too. That, that, listen, that past, these teams have 12 wins.

I know. I think the Kings are the worst. Like, they're about to shut him down. Maybe. I agree. Let's go Kings 28th. Pelicans,

27, and then Pacers 26. Yeah. Just because the patients are trying a little bit more. They're a little more. They'd have a respectful. beat okay c and none of these teams right here can say that respectable brand of basketball basketball being played over there yeah now i think the bucks enter the conversation now as one of the other worst teams to lead without yonis if we're you know in the spirit of these power

rankings is not just looking at the standings is looking at what you've been the last week to two weeks kind of like a very current snapshot of your team and kind of the next one to two weeks after this like where we think you're heading the bucks are heading to bullshit man yeah i would in my mind i almost wanted to entertain the utah jazz because they just these guys just do not play defense They just refuse to play fucking defense. And they're tanking too. But then again, the Bucks have no Yannis. The Jazz are two and eight in their last 10 games.

They've also put on the tank. Guante George's getting sick. Bad immune system over there, I guess. They keep poisoning his food. On purpose, tummy aches. There's a lot tummy aches about playing games. I wonder why. We can go jazz.

And yeah, I think Bucks round out the last line here. Maybe, but even the Bucks, like, a low-key kind of want to put the bucks below. Like, maybe we should put the paces at the top this. For what? Just because if you look at the buck schedule, looking at their record can be a bit deceiving. They started off really, really well.

And they started off like seven and four, right? Very, very respectable. And since then, it's been awful. They front-loaded a lot of their wins. And if we're just looking at them over the last two months, right, month and a half, they've been on par with some of these bad teams. Yeah, no. The three and seven and the last 10 games, including some terrible losses.

they lost to the Warriors without Steph Curry. They lost, I forget the other ones. They had a couple of Denver Nuggets without all other players. They've had some horrendous losses as of late. The patients are probably more respectable. Let's switch them. Okay, fuck it. Patias will put them over here.

Jazz and say where they're at because of the jazz. And yeah, Bucks truly deserved to be at the bottom. This is a terrible team with a terrible coach. Everything about them is bad. I'll be forgetting that Doc Rubbins is there. I'm not going to lie. Yeah, Jay Crowder reminded us. He tweeted it.

Yeah. This is where all went down. We were 30 and 13. We fired Adrian Griffin, which was so weird in the moment. Nobody was like, you've got to keep Adrian Griffin. There were some things going wrong

and they had championship robust expectations with Janice and Lillard still having the hope of being the best duo in the NBA. It wasn't going that well. We kind of understood that they weren't maximizing the team with Adrian Griffin, so let's go somewhere else.

But as soon as we saw it was Doc Rivers, we were all like, what the fuck, it's gone exactly as what the fuck is you could think. Whoever their GM is needs to be fired, right? Never heard of his name of day in my life. He needs to be gone to. Isn't it John Horace?

Yeah. You heard his name. Maybe I have. You definitely heard John Horst's name. John Horace when I catch you. I never did he hear his name again. Okay, those are the bottom seven teams in the league pretty easily. Now we get to 23 and onward where now we're getting to the playing range, potentially.

Not all these teams can make the plan, but they're all in the mix and aren't eliminated. Now we start taking the conversation a little more seriously. My team I'm putting forward for 23, Memphis Grizzlies. Okay. Why? They stink. And John Moran has hurt again. He played one or two good games.

Actually, one, because he didn't play the first game overseas, played the second game. He played in London, not Germany, if I remember correctly. It was awesome. Restore the feeling for a day. It was like, wow, we're getting our culture back. Immediately gets hurt to his elbow. And this team goes back to Jaron Jackson Jr. led hoops.

And I just think they're incredibly mediocre, the same way they have been all season. They are not great offensively. They are not great defensively. They don't have high-end talent in the starting lineup. They don't have the best bench in the world. I don't really, outside of Esolo having some good ideas

and when you watch them play, he does some good defensive game plans against certain players. And like it's, there's somewhat fun to watch from a coaching perspective. Talent-wise, they just are not it right now

with Jodd this low. It sucks. It's so weird because they, like Dallas should be right there right or below them, but they're not. That's my conversation. I can understand why you want to put them first.

So that's fine. That's a conversation though. I think I have them and the Mavs and the Bulls and the Bulls at 21 to 23. I was going to, I was going to ask about the Bulls next. So I'm cool with Memphis being the next one here. Bulls versus Dallas is where I'm at.

Yeah, I'm fine with Memphis there because at least the Bulls have like solid vibes. At least the Dallas Mavericks has solid vibes too. There's nothing going on with the Grizzies. Now, the Bulls have been better a little, you know, as of late. Six and four in the last 10 games. They are creeping right back up to, you know, their cash cow where they want to be trying to get to that 500 line. But we know what they are.

And so it's like, like they are the weirdest. team because no matter how good that they play or how bad that they play. And this is essentially what that means. They are going to be 500. I just don't know if I want to reward the mediocrity and the 500ness of it all. Yep. 15th and offensive rating for the season. 24th and defensive rating.

Just a bad team. Just a pretty bad team overall. I don't see why we put them like right here though. I think maybe Dallas is a little bit worse. Worse. Yeah. I think Dallas is a little bit worse. considering like how dire they are of offensive talent.

I don't know. I'm not looking at their numbers at all because Cooper's flag's been out and that's been like that changed the entire equation. But I do think like the Bulls have at least like a flat line like workable offense. 15th offensive rating. Exactly. The Dallas defense is better than the Bulls offense. Their top 10 in defensive rating happened all season, but they're goddamn abysmal

offensively 27th. Yeah. And yeah, the Cooper Flagg thing, the natural rookie up and downs, he's been. dealing with the horrible guard play they've been dealing with. Who do you trust more to win a playing game right now? If you put these two in a seven game series, I think the- I'm taking them out. No, we can't talk about seven-game series.

These teams will, I have no hope of sniffing that. Play an invitational. Nine, ten game. They play each other right now. I'm taking the ball. I'm taking the balls personally. No, I think, and here's why you talk about them being top ten in defense the entire year.

That's what I call identity. Right? Even though that the offense is bad, we know what we are going to hang our hat on. The Bulls just exist in this chasm. And I do think that they've been able to get to the playing. They like, sometimes they win. Sometimes they lose.

They just, you can't really trust them in that situation either. I would take the math. And that's fair. Today is January 29th recording this. That means we have not entered March basketball where Kobe White naturally turns into Jesus every year. So before the Kobe White March elite that will inevitably happen, we can put the Bulls there in the maps ahead of them.

But come March. Just know Kobe White is going to become a superstar again. It always happens like clockwork. We don't talk about it a lot because Jalen Green gets a smoke. Was he going to be traded before then? Who may be? His contract is like non-existent after this year, bro. He's expiring.

If he gets traded, yeah. If Kobe White gets traded, then like the March elite may not be there because he's going to actually be in a decent situation. Or he's going to make the Timberwolves unstoppable. Marsley will be here. Hawksblazers warriors is my next year. If you guys agree with that. You said Hawks Blasers and who?

Warriors. We also can put the Hornets. heat and magic into this conversation. I think the Hornets definitely belong in this conversation. Certainly. The offense has been so good as of late that I'm respecting a little bit more in a power-making sense. Just because of recent performance, I'm kind of elevating the Hornets above the teams that is mentioned like the Hawks and the Blazers who kind of the epitome mid.

But I'm not, I'm not elevating too much. I still the Hornets. Yeah. I think I put the Blazers first. Yeah. They suck. Their half-court offense, man. It's just so, so hard to watch.

It's disgusting work. And when you have a recent loss to the Wizards, yeah, we'll put you at the bottom. Yeah, you're right. I didn't even see that. They lost to the Wizards? Yeah. I missed that.

Oh, my God. Yeah. So they should probably be at the bottom. They've been, they've also been one of these teams all year where offensively it's just like, yo man, what is what is happening? We talk so much about Denny and his foul baiting and being like the true engine for this, for this team. You suck and you're unethical.

drop him. Their guard players is so hard to watch right now. They need to be so bad. Drew Holiday's coming back. He's coming back and getting healthy now.

So like that'll improve them somewhat assuming he can be like what he was early season which wasn't mind blowing but it was solid. Shout out Caleb Love not fixing things. It's not necessarily

going to make them a good offense if he continues to get more touches. I guess it's fair to put it on me. How do you want to treat the Warriors in this conversation now? With no Jimmy. The Warriors are currently six and four in the last 10.

There's been some good wins. They do not have Jimmy though. And they don't have Kamiko, who turned his ankle right after Jimmy got hurt when you'd expect him to get more touches to him. Double homicide. You kind of have to give them a little bit of credit for surviving without those two. Even though they're like ultimately, we know what's going to happen in, you know, a week or two. Like they are going to have another slide where they lose three in a row just because they don't

have the overall talent. But losing those two guys and still being able to have a, a. positive, you know, stretch. They lost to the Raptors, lost the Mavericks, traded home and home with the Timberwolves, split that and then beat the jazz in their last five games. That's been good. That's solid. I mean.

It's fine. It's what you, three and two. It's what you want from the media open team? I think they deserve to be a little bit higher. It's a little bit higher. I don't think they entertained this conversation just yet. We should put the Blazers right there. I think, I think Blazers should be next.

Then the Hawks and then the Warriors. So you're saying, how are you feeling about the Hawks right now? How has the last five games been for the Hawks? Much better. Good. They've currently, I mean, they're on a three-game winning streak. Jalen Johnson's been fantastic. Sometimes he has up and down games. I can restart the league or whatever, but he just finds ways to be impactful,

whether they're being on the boards or just running in transition and hitting the open guys. Nikolajana Walker is insanely consistent, but I guess one of the biggest talking points in developments that's been happening as of late is, okay, we picked up Kristen Koloko off the fucking streets, and he's been fucking fantastic, and that just goes to show how dire of a situation we've been in when it comes just having a big guy who could do this.

You know, we haven't had that in such a long time since I guess we had Clint Capella when he was healthy. And he's been fantastic. He's been a saving grace for us. And then also on top of that. You're so down bad. Oh my God. He's been great. He's been great. Saving grace, Christian Coloco, this team should be lower.

Absolutely. Let's put him five spots lower. No. You're dead. And then on top of that, too, Cedem McCollum. He's been playing much better. He's fit into his role. Has it been, like, pounding the air of the ball.

And he's kind of like, learn his play. He heard all the threats online. He was like, I would like to live. I guess I'll fall in line. Y'all had never seen a group of fans, like Hawks fans as mad. Ever, ever, when it comes to howce he Jim McCollum, just like stole the entire juice of lineup, bro.

It was crazy. You saw him on Yeka's teeth? Yeah, it was bad. I don't know if I can show it on YouTube. Nah. Did you see it? Oh, you didn't see it? Jalen Brown elbowed him in the face?

Yeah. These three teeth on the side? Backwards. Unlogged. It's off. Look it up. Unlaug from their placement. it looked unbelievably painful.

He shot free throws at that. The mouth all bloody. They're hanging off his fucking teeth, bro. I'm hanging off his gums. It's disgusting. It's so bad. I can't imagine the pain. Yeah.

Oh my goodness. I would cry on the court. What the fuck has happened to me? Yeah. But we won. That's all that matters, bro. Okay. Lina Hawks up next.

Wait, oh my God. I don't know. I didn't, we won two. Bro, I'm not. I'm not playing like this. No, I'll just start crying. We're going to run a five game winning you right now. I didn't even realize.

I thought it was three. That's crazy. Just counting up Ws, man. I can't relate. Six and four in the last 10, though. Yeah, it is what it is. So one and four before that. He's going to get some good veneers, man.

He'd better turn this into like a sponsorship or something. Wow. So, yeah. I don't think the Hawks belong here just. Okay. Well, if you don't want to go to the Hawks yet. No, they said. Put them there.

We also have the Warriors. I think the Hornets deserve a little more respecting the Hawks right now with how great their offense has been for a long time now. They're a very respectful team. Musa Diabata has had a lot. 19 rebounds. He went crazy. Overall, the three main offensive players are starting to click.

Diabate is, I think, given them good minutes since he became a starter. It's been a little more juice there than when Kalkbrenner was there. He's just so much more tenacity. He plays with so much more tenacity as just being a little more athletic than Kalkbrenner. You know, Kalkbrenner's just a little slow that, like, I felt like this extra oomph on the board is with Diabate makes him look a little bit more lively.

Yeah, 100%. Like, take it a step even further than that. Like, Musa Diabate is one of the seven best offensive rebounders. in the league and that's been helping carry this team to a different degree and giving him more of an edge offensively. So I'm okay if you want to put the Hornets right now just slightly above the Hawks. That's fine. And I am okay with that. I think anytime that you are first in the NBA in an offensive rating for like 15 games, 10 games, whatever, you deserve to be that. And it's not like, it's not like we're first in an offensive rating and the

defense is, you know, completely unrespectable either. In that same time, they're third in the NBA and defense as well. They've been playing super, super well. They deserve to be above the Hawks right now. Okay. That's fine with me. That's fine. And then heat and warriors.

Do you want to put them below those two teams? Do they enter this conversation? The heat. Miami Heat just lost to the magic. In the second half, Palo killed them, had a good game after if you first half. They'd beat the sons before that and the jazz before that. It lost the Trailblazers. All right.

What number are we at? Whatever number 16 is, that's where the heat needs to be. Oh, my gosh. Okay, we're currently trying to decide 18 and 19. Ew, the mind. 18. I think Hawks should be at 19. I think the, do the hornet?

They deserve to be above the Warriors. Okay. Warriors go to 18. Until they make a trade, they don't have the juice. Like, they're just not good enough. Yes. And so, so we could put the Hornets at 17. and then put the heat at 16.

Heat at 16 for... That's just what they are. Perpetually. I think it should be a rule every time we do a power ranking with the heat at 16. Just the most fine team ever, I guess.

Yeah. Shout out the hornets, man. Even like Miles Bridges is getting the good minutes and they're going to try to like flip him. If the Lakers, because of this clutch connection

fucking trade from Miles Bridges, I'll find the nearest building. I'll climb it. I'll drive you there. You don't got to drive me. I'll find it. I will climb it. So I walked in

What would we say? Miami Heat next. Okay, so that's the bottom half of the league. Now we get to the team. Honestly, shout out to the Hornet because there's no way that I thought that they would be like in the top 20 this year. I thought that they were legitimately just going to stay in bottom theater position. Yeah. So then we're going to London Magic next.

Ugh. Number 15? Honestly would rather, I'd bump up the heat. Ah, never mind. I forget. 16 mandated. Never mind. Yeah, we could put the only number.

Magic 15 because that's what they exactly are, but yep. And now we now. Honestly, though, they're, they're low key, like, worse than that though. Like, I don't know.

The last 15 games, they have the same exact record as the Miami Heat. So it's like, but they haven't been playing well at, at all either. And like, their offense is still very inconsistent. We've known this.

The defense isn't this, you know, it's not the super like lockdown defense that can lead the league there. It's no longer a superpower, as we would say. You're correct. I feel like they are, they're floundering as much as anybody. And I have no idea.

Like, on a night-to-night basis, I have no clue what I think the magic are. Oh, my God. I'm looking at the last 15 game stats. And I was looking for their defensive rating. And I kept scrolling. I was like, where the fuck are the magic? I'm looking around the middle tier. I can't find him the 25th in the last 15 games defensively.

And I'm sure having No J. And Sugg is a big part of that. They're important point of attack defender. Shadow Anthony Black, the leap he's made offensively. No Jalen Suggs on defense. Franz Wagner hasn't been there for a lot of the games. He's back now, I think. He's going in and out the line up right now, is he?

Regardless of the fact, guys have been going in and out since the last year or two. And last year, like, there was no defense better in the NBA other than O'KC than them. There was the number two ranked defense in the league, bro. 21st and offense last 15 games, too. Disgusting work. Hey, Miami Heat, you're breaking free. Yeah. You're breaking free.

Charlotte Hornets, you're breaking free. Orlando Magic, you can barely be above the Warriors. 100%. Yeah, this team, dude, this team last. Last year, they were 21st in paint defense this year. They're 21st in paint defense this year. Last year, they were top three. They're number three specifically.

They were an elite team when it comes to. I think a top three team last year in deflections. This year, they're like 15, 16, 17 around that range. That's the telling part. Deflections. That's the telling part. There's been no secret. Jamal Mosley, Palo Mancuro.

Things aren't going well offensively. There's some clashing going on there. Feels like Jamal Mosy is losing a locker room. to see the effort stats defensively that have once defined you, like deflections and hustle and how they were such a tenacious defense that masked everything with effort defensively, like Palo said in that press conference other day where he said, the truth is offensively we've been mid,

but we hit it with our defense. Kind of stands to reason that if you have a third year being mid when you had the expectations of being a top three seed, your over under was like 49 and a half before the season started. Everybody thought you were going to be a good team, not just mediocre, good contention to win the Eastern Conference maybe. to know that's not happening, makes sense that you would lose that edge defensively

as just you get naturally deflated. Yeah, like as time goes on, like, I'm never, I, for the Atlanta, imagine seeing how they've had like the worst, some of the worst injury history over the last, let's take it even further, three years. I'm not using that as an excuse as to why their defense has fallen off because guys like Jalen Stugs has been out before plenty of times. One of them main reasons why he be out is because he's a crazy,

reckless defender who's always diving on the floor, giving you the most insane, hustle effort plays. But even then, three years ago, there were a top three difference in the league, bro. Nothing has changed at all. Guys consistently remained in and out. This is just strictly on coached Mosley.

And he simply just, like you said, like he lost the coach. He doesn't have any more culture. He lost his swag. And now, like, there's actual tension in this locker room to where it's to the point to where guys are just putting their hands in their pockets, asking what are we doing? Yeah.

And nothing. Until we get a legitimate stretch of Palo and Fronzo, we can get some type of answers towards that. or some type of boost off offensively, you look at this team and you would hope that they would have something to hang their hat on. I think we're going to see aliens before that happens. Yeah, I think more so than a lot of teams,

the magic have been in this identity crisis for as long, if not longer than nearly any team in the league. Hey, man, Palo for Yanos will move out in there now. That would be great for everyone. Give the bucks a reason to believe. We have this up-and-coming superstar. Yeah, it would be great for everybody. I heard Zach, let me make the point that

Let's do it. Palo is very online. He's talked about the criticism. He's heard it. He saw the team be really good without him, led by Franz Wagner and shooters. He looks a little, I'm trying to figure out how to get in

because I see what you guys see that like maybe there's some self-doubt creeping in. He's not being maximized like he once was as a score, trying to fit in. But Jamal Mosley isn't that guy to make it work. That's probably what's really happening. Yeah, it's, it's, Toml Mosley's his time has come.

And I wish, honestly, if they want to save their season and try to have like some type of spark or boost happen, This needs to be probably like the first firing of the of the middle of the season. Coaching fire that we need to witness. I think that all is like not necessarily save their season, but you will get more inspiring basketball. Taylor Jenkinson, bringing an assistant last second and hope you can get some life in here.

100%. Okay. So that is 17, 16, and 15. Now, 14, 13, and 12. To me, this is breaking into serious teams. Last three are like they can make, we'll see what happens if they get into the playing tournament. These top 14 teams are the teams that can maybe win a playoff series. You know, some of the bottom teams might be a little questionable

because they're going to have to match up with a one or two seed. But if it goes well and they get a little bit higher and get a middle tier, all these teams have at least the possibility of winning a playoff series, I think. Clippers enter the conversation. Notice we haven't mentioned the Clippers at all, who were one of the worst teams in the league. They have one of the single best, most miraculous turnarounds I have ever seen. Last week we did one thing we got wrong about them,

and we were like, yeah, my week's back and it'd be good. I think they'd be the five seed. Y'all were like six or seven. They were bad to start the year. bro do you guys know what they've been over the last however many games they've been elite they've been like 16 and 3 16 and 13 and 19 games

almost 20 game stretch of being elite Kwai Leonard is playing the best basketball of the last four or five years he's unstoppable John Collins is making sense now as their power forward a lot of their wing defenders that are getting healthy kind of slotting in and making sense like we thought they'd be

the zoo watching he came back now we have him and brookelopez playing a little bit better everything's kind of making sense now how hard do you want to put them so two things so one damn Chris Paul was the problem we had to get his all hate and out of here it proved to be the recipe

they were right about that I do apologize yeah I'm sorry he was the issue two you're saying all of these good things about the clippers and I agree which means that next on this list should be the Phoenix Suns because we're talking about winning playoff series they're fantastic I don't think the Suns are winning a series

okay the Sun are in the contention for this next spot for me 76 years how do you feel about them? Joel and Beat is playing incredible as a way. They have a better opportunity to win a series just because of what the Eastern Conference is. I don't want to decide on that though.

Then if that's the case, I still think that their talent is still higher than the Sons. I would go Sons right after Miami, which feels like, it feels tough because they are very good but if we're talking about we're entering into this tier.

Now when it comes to playoff talk, I think the Sons are just simply taxed because they're in the West, you know? Yeah. Of course I can envision a world where the Sixers do do those things, but as late, they've been fondering. Well, let's try to ignore all these, this conference stuff and folks on the teams who they are. It's a Sixers and the Sons, we're going to play each other.

Actually, name and I may not even frame it that way because that's not about an individual matchup. But let's say it's their playing. I don't want to make it against each other and be like, can they hold you all and Bede? That's not the point. But overall, if there is no conferences, you don't know who they're playing, which one of those teams do you feel like has a better chance of winning a series today? I think the Clippers do. Well, Clippers know the Suns and Sixers.

Oh, Suns or Sixers. sons or sixers that's incredibly tough incredibly tough the sons i think obviously great defense i think they've been a great job revitalizing mark williams we know what dillan brooks brings oh what i talk about devon bookers hurt that can be the starting factor uh... denvin book is hurt

how long is he going to be out for i don't think he's going to be out crazy he sprained his ankle and they said they're going to reevaluate him in one week oh yeah yeah i forget that happened against the hawks yeah we can just that can be the deciding factor these are two close teams devon bookers hurt that's a obviously going to hit their offense in the short term. We'll see how long he's out for. Maybe it's through the all-star break. In the Sixers, Joel Embed is erupting. He's getting back to being a goddamn great score. Not even any caveats. It's just a very, very good score. We know what Tyrus Maxey is at all season. I think their group of young wings have been nice and complimentary in the

stretch where Joel Embed is been playing well. I'm fine going with the team that's better today because they have their star. Cool. So Suns after the Heat, then the Sixers. Yes. Okay. And then Clippers, we really want to talk about how high we want to go to Clippers and how much credit we want to give them for this stretch. Because 16 and 3, that's a big stretch of the season. Dude, they've been the best team in the NBA over the last, I don't know how many, like a month, month and a half. And guess what conversation we had for the last half of last season?

Wow, they started slow and they were amazing for the second half of the season. And going into the playoffs, nobody wants to see them. This might be a sneaky contender to upset the thunder. We were in the same place we were last year. This is bizarre. First round exit. Yeah, I see, I see. Dude, we were having conversations about,

yo, man, they need to blow this thing up. We're talking about trading kawait to the fucking pistons for, like, for example, we're talking about firing Ty-Loo. There's so many things that was going on over here. Me over here was on their heads about how they don't develop talent at all. And then what do you know? All these young guys are coming out of the woodworks. They're wings, guys like Randon Miller who got an insane whistle who's

Jordan Miller, yeah. insane whistle super talented when it comes to how he has the fucking ball on a string then you got yon at you doesn't play as often anymore but so when he was playing before zubacho was out he was hooping his ass off given the most effort being a great great vertical threat there's so much going towards the way i don't think they belong to be mentioned they don't deserve to be mentioned just yet i'm not glad Kobe Sanders and jordan miller came out the fucking woodworks yeah that's 20 games yeah we're obviously like we do this our job we watched a lot of games as a job So, like, we're more tapped in than most people just because we have to be.

I don't know who the fuck Jordan Miller was before the last two months. I had never heard of him. And now I'm like, damn, his shoulders were brolic. He's giving them good minutes. Yeah, bro. They found these young guys that developed them. That is so big for them because you're right. All we talked about for years is they don't do this.

Now that they do that, that gives you so much more hoping them that they have some, like, young energy out the bench. That's why they were so goddamn awful the first month. They were slow. They were lethargic. They had Bradley Beale and James Harden defensive backwards. it was just no tenacity, no athleticism to be able to have a chance, and the offense wasn't clicking enough to make up for it. Now all of that has gone the other way.

Do you want to put them above the Raptors? Yes, 110%. I was going to ask them. The Raptors are going to be mad as hell, but I don't care. Well, they just got belt last night, courtesy of us. So we can. The Raptors have also been good. It's really, like, this isn't about the Raptors because they're the four seed.

They're six and four in the last 10. Emmanuel quickly is giving them some good minutes now. RJ Barrett's healthy, which is like RJ Barrett's one of the MVPs of the league. When he plays, they win games. When he's hurt, they lose games because they fall underneath the threshold needed of ball handling.

Yacopurto still doesn't exist. They're running a lot of CMB at center, which is really cool. And if that was a secondary look, it'd be awesome. The fact they're having to play so many games and no bigs at all, not ideal.

I'm not slattering them at all. If you want to continue to just applaud the clippers, I don't think it'd be crazy to put them above them. I think we put them above them. For sure. Let's roll. Okay, so now, Now, this is 17, 16, 15, 14, 13.

Okay, so next up at 12, I think this is, Toronto Raptors. I should have labeled these numbers better. Yeah, it's okay. It's okay. Okay, 11, we go to Los Angeles Clippers. Unless we see another team that you want to continue to put the clippers above. Do we want to put them above the Cleveland Cavaliers? No.

No, the Cleveland Cavaliers have also turned around. The Cleveland Cavaliers have also turned it around. Jaylon Tyson just nuked the Lakers. Do we feel like the Evan Mowbly injury, the Garland injury, do we feel like that matters at all? Not anymore. They got an engine in Donovan Mitchell and they're 5 in one right now. Nyquan is fucking hooping his ass off right now. Yeah, like he's hilarious. He hoops like he just got tall yesterday.

What you said? Nakwon Tomlin. I think he's from New York and a lot of them hoop like that. He's spiritually, Thomas Bryant to me. The way they move, they look goofy as fuck. But like he's so hustle athleticism. He's a hooper though. I love watching it play.

It's just funny. He does hoop like he just got tall. And I think he's the one they said he didn't play high school basketball. Yeah. That it does show. That's hilarious. His development has been very much like concentrated over the last couple of years. He getting that guaranteed contract soon, man.

He runs like he has big feet that are disproportionately large for the rest of his body. And his body hasn't figured out how to acquaint to this new length of his feet yet. Yeah, but the cast 5-0 in the last five games God damn great Just beat the Lakers in which they started slow Should we put the Knicks here? Like should this be there to the tour right now? Listen, we're so back

We're so back. Well, we're getting to the point now all these teams are good This is the upper echelon This is the top 10 teams in the league They're all good And now none of this is we disrespect All these teams deserve to be in the top 10 Lakers might be 10

Lakers might be the bottom of this tier I don't know I think it's Lakers or Timberwolves Timberwolves are a team that I was hyping up and saying, hey man, they're putting it together. This team's just great on offense, great on defense, top ten on both sides of the ball. They've had some of the most hilarious losses in the last 10 games.

It's been ridiculous. It truly is January basketball getting to the All-Star break. I'm not reading into a long term, but we know that they have their issues with their guard play. Bones Highland hasn't been good as of late. When he's not good, they definitely have their issues with their guard play because nobody else is going to step up and take up that usage. They lost to the Warriors.

Got Mollywopped. 85 points against the Warriors. True. They lost to the Bulls. Now, Ante Edwards doesn't play it in that game. Don't give a fuck. It doesn't matter. Do not care at all.

They lost to the Bulls. They lost to the Jazz. They lost to the Rockets and the Spurs. Five straight losses. Listen, man, that is a lot of losses. Listen, the Bulls lost. Beat the match last night, though. The Bulls loss was probably the worst one because, if I remember correctly,

like, they were up and clutch time and just completely like, Yeah, lot of turn ofers. Did you hear the other word I said before the Bulls? They lost to the Jazz. The Jazz,

everybody's sick on the Jazz every other day they're trying to lose games. Listen, the Jazz can blitz anybody on any given night so that's not that crazy.

If you're a contender getting blitzed for the jazz, I hate you. But the Lakers are pretty mid. Awesome Reeves are coming back and I think that'll make a big difference and they'll get back to being pretty good.

The Lakers aren't as good as the record says, but the record is good so I'm not going to tax them too much. They're still in the top 10. They find a way to get it done.

Guess who's three's been going in lately? Luca Donchich. He's back to being one of the best players in the world the last couple weeks. He looks amazing again. Not so much defensively. Still doesn't matter. LeBron has had bad game.

But we're still in the stretch of the season where DeAndreaden is looking like the latest player in the world. He's looking like Dehastardin. He's exercising his demons. We told him. He's exercising his demons. We told you be patient. Be patient.

First 20 games, he played a good player that should have been paid $20 million a year. Now we're back to league minimum salary, finding a way to balance out to $8 million a year. he's playing someone who's not the answer. Now he's pretty much splitting minutes with Jackson Hayes, which is for the best. Dude, these last two games, he's played over 40 minutes.

He has a combined six rebounds. Yeah, 18 minutes in both the last games splitting with Jackson Hayes, which is honestly what they should do in general, even if he was playing good, that model of Gafford lively splitting minutes is good. Yeah. But yeah, DeAndre Aden is in a mental straight jacket right now.

You can tell there's some like confidence issues maybe ever since the whole thing with him not getting the ball for those few games when he was getting iced out and made that comment and stuff. Beginning of this last game made the Cavs, he was out there actually trying

really hard and you can tell it was like a thing. Then they got Blitz in the second half and it fell apart for everybody. You can tell it's an active mental thing right now

of keeping him locked in and he's trying to keep himself locked in. Incredibly unlocked in. It's crazy. So bad, no awesome Reeves. LeBron has had a bad game. The Big Man group

was not going well for the Lakers. Did you know gave Vincent an issue 20% on 2s on the year? What the fuck? What? What? What? Yo, I'd never heard no set like that.

They need to make trades bad. This last game against the Cavas was the type of game that you trade players after. 20? 20. Fuck. They need a starting center long term. They need shooters at the deadline. They need defenders.

You know all that's. I'm fine putting the Lakers at 10. I don't know, man. Maybe the Clippers should be above the Lakers right now, man. I don't know. Awesome he's about to come back, though. And awesome reason will fix a lot. You're bad.

But he's not bad yet. They still lost to the jazz. Yeah. The Tim, I do think that this recent. stretch is is tough and even for all of the issues that that the lakers have the one thing that you said that is the most frightening is if bones highland doesn't play well then like all of that that guard play really really shines or like the the lack of so i think for for them not being able to withstand just and not playing in a in a game against the jazz against the bulls that is

a tough stretch and it is kind of worrying if you're thinking about the the tim wolves and being this team that has peaked in the second half of seasons the last couple years has been a surprising team that gets to the conference finals. I don't know if any one of those ceilings are there right now. I would put them below the Lakers just because help is on the way. Next game, Austin Roosmer is going to play. For the Lakers. By the time you listen to this, awesome reason will probably be back. If the, if the wolves don't go out and they don't go get Kobe White, we're going to have a problem, right? If they don't go out and get another guard, they're going to have serious issues.

J.J. Reddick, what do you do? What is he supposed to do? True. There's a lot of flaws in roster. I would like to see J.J. Reddick empower one player. I would like to see J.J. Reddick get the most out of one player.

Jad Jeter Rettig is kind of a bully. I think. So the Yondredan thing. DeAndrean's been in a mental strait jacket of his own creation for the past six years of his career, right? Some tea. DeAndreidate is. DeAndre Aden's biggest problem.

That is true for him. We saw those first 20 games of the season where he was, we were talking about one of the best value signs of the off season. That, like, for $8 million, that was a steal for a starting center and playing at the level he was playing at. Oh my God, I was recording this whole entire time. What the fuck? That's crazy.

My phone is so hot. God damn, like, it was burning my stomach. Shit. Also, we just going back with help DeAndrean some. They have the best connection. It's remarkable that DeAndreidon is one of the only players in the world that Luke Adanches cannot fix. it's remarkable that DeAndre Hayden is one of the only players in the world that a contract year cannot fix

I also feel like JJ Redick is in a horrible job keeping this player in a good situation succeed that we know is a delicate player that they get the most value out of he needs to be uplifted and coddled which is a whole other thing that why are you as a grown man making eight million dollars a year need be coddled so be it that is a reality JJ Redick is a tear you down kind of coach it feels like who are you as a girl man he doesn't play these young players Dalton Connect also needs to be coddled because you traded him and then rescinded it. Confidence in a gutter. You need to cuddle that motherfucker and make sure he's capable to provide value.

Dalton Connect looks like he has the least confidence of any man I've ever seen in my life. One. The Connect saga, hilarious. Dude, didn't he come into the front office and demand this trade? I don't think that's true. I'm telling myself it's true. I will build up that narrative.

I will believe that it's true. I don't care where anybody says that's one. Two, the fact that you just gave DeAndrean, grown man. Like that's hilarious He needs that But the fact that We've said for For a long time

Speaking on DeAndre Aidan If there was ever a situation That can get you there It's going to be in a contract here With Luca Dantjeet And it's the perfect situation On a team that needs bigs They need you

You get to play with this guy Who can make your life as easy as possible You have all the incentive in the world I understand J.J. might be a bully, like you say. I'm not giving him this. I'm not going to put this on him. Oh, no. It's not on. It's not on JJ. Rack that Aiden is who he is, that he is mentally this tall. It's not, it's not doing anything to help it. And it's your job to try to help that.

Because you need D'Andre to play well. I can do it. So it's not his fault. But we need to, they need to have D'Andre and play well or the season not going anywhere. I've seen, I've seen Luca make so many guys play better basketball. I've seen him work with Salah Mezri, bro. I've seen him work with Willie Kali Stein. I've seen him work with... Jackson Hayes. Dwight Powell, bro.

Jackson Hayes, too. It's... It's him, man. It's impossible. It is great. If this keeps up, we'll see, like, again, the first 20 games did happen. Aiden is by nature and up and down player. We'll see what the second half of season holds.

Hopefully, it's what we saw the first 20 games. I think the main difference is those first 20 games that he could not miss for mid-range. He was a bucket. He was one of the most efficient scores in the league playing off of Luca in Austin Reeves. And I think that kind of like... carried momentum defensively. He was like doing more of the effort-based stuff because he was being a bucket and had a lot of opportunity

to score. No LeBron James. He was getting fed. And he was shooting the shit out of the ball from the mid-range. The mid-range shot hasn't been falling. So he's getting these games where he misses three-shade-tipping layups. Every time he makes a bad play, he puts his head down, doesn't run back on defense. So he just allows himself to have these stupid emotional turmoil things. Grown man.

Grown man. Like, what the fuck are you doing? Like, just completely soft. So if he starts being a bucket again, he'll possibly fine. I'm so happy that way. I know. We've been all summer.

He's going to be good. He's going to be better than you thought. He's surely better than the 20th best center in the league. And then we get here on your team and you see it every single night of, yeah, bro. I'm not winning anything with him. I sold myself on him in this. I always said the 17th best center in the league was the goal. Does that happen?

What's he right now? 22nd? Well, see, the first 10, first 20 games, he was probably around 15 or so. And then his two colors came out. The last 20 games, he's been about 25. So, yeah. I mean. And that's what I'm saying.

Right at 24 is exactly where I had him. I don't even feel bad for assuming that Luca and contract gear could save his broke-ass life. But maybe he's just proven that brokenness is just like in his soul. And maybe there's no saving it. Maybe it's just intrinsic in who he is. Maybe he is the one guy that this circumstance that would fix any big in the world. Maybe he's the one guy that defies that logic. Maybe he's the one guy that just in his essence wakes up and smells broke.

Maybe he doesn't want to get paid again. Wake up and smell broke. Like, contract, you're alone. We've told you, but we need to do this. He got to the second contract. I know, of course. He's done his job. Everything after this is just gravy.

I think it's also like mostly like the faith in Luca to make any big's life easy. It's just like a like holy power that I can assume transcends all four dimensions. Well, when it happened with Jackson Hayes, you're like surely down to age. Precisely. But here we are. We start and now we don't. We'll see with the next 35. games in the playoffs have, but

certainly hope he doesn't pick with that player option, which we were talking about if he plays well, they're going to lose him next year because we'll pick it up. Now it's like, fuck, don't pick it up. $8 million, fuck. So we will see. You better hope he goes back home for the

all-star break, gets re-centered and comes back. See, that's the thing. Like, I'm not necessarily being like, trade him tomorrow because he's the exact type of guy that needs an all-star break and recentering and all this stuff. Like, he is such a needs to be coddled. And like, once you accept,

that he is this weak-minded player if you have these like realistic conversations like he doesn't need these things and like you call the weak you call him he's killing me oh my god I never see where I'm gonna play like this is what

DeAndre Aitin does to feel funfrey there is a world where he gets back together with reusing and he has another productive 30 games like that can happen it's just gonna be up and down because DeAndre Aton so time will tell which version we get him the second half of the year okay

I'm not selling stock but I'm definitely going to be honest. That was one of the greatest rance you went on. Was that a ranch? I don't even feel like it was. I mean, you called him soft at least six times.

Said that he's a grown man who has to be caught him at least four times. But next time you watch a Miss a Midranjumper or miss a layup that's contested, watch him put his head down. He always looks down. The emotional turmoil. He'd be feeling, man.

Every play. He feels the impact. He feels the dollars leaving his bank now every time you miss it. You said he wakes up and smells broken the ear. That's true. Outside of guys who have like actively been convicted

or something, I've never seen you talk so poorly about somebody. The looking down kills me. And their mental state. That's him though. Like he literally looks down when he fucks up and doesn't run back on defense.

What did you think, like we run back real hard and make a play defensively? And when he does that, he's not a bad reprim protector. Like he has legs. He has like some idea of pick and roll understanding. It's just like if he decides to run back or not. And it only comes down to this.

He makes his menorrhage jumper or not. The funniest part about all this is that he's going to see this and be like, damn, man. He's going to look down again. That's what they say about me. If you look at your toes again, I'm going to scream. He's going to be so upset. Seven and eight, rounding out this section. We can go Knicks and Cavs here.

Nixon Cavs. Okay. Okay. So, or the, the trio of my mind that I'm looking at is Nick's Cavs. Okay. So who do you want to break into the next tier of the real contenders behind number one? Probably Spurs. Yeah, I don't think we could put, yeah, I agree with you.

Definitely spurs. We have to hold off on them right now. So we'll just go Knicks and Cavs. Nixon Cabs. Yeah. You could flirt with me a little bit about the Boston Celtics. We could have that conversation. You'd take me out and, like, talk about if they belong in this year.

They should. They should. They said, you said take me out. Let me make that clear for the audience. I heard something. I heard dick me down. What? That's what you heard?

No, I heard dig me out. I heard dig me out. You can dig me out. You hear what you guys to hear what you want to hear. You heard what I said in a different font. Oh my God. No, man. You can dig me out.

Oh, the Celtics? Yeah. Oh, man. I don't fucking want to be like that. What's going on? Also, people who kept comments at get timestamps. And last episode,

I said negative very fast. I said he's a negative player. And I mumbled it. They were like, what did he say? Oh, shit. Okay, Cabs five,

no in the last five games. No, Darius Garland. No of Mowgli no. Playing pretty well despite it. Jalen Tyson, shooting really well, kind of proven to be

that fifth wing they need. We just had a good John Jure Hunter game. Overall, coming together. We've seen them come together in past years when they're missing some of their stars. I would like to see them come together with their stars, so I don't want to get too confident yet in that they're making this bounce back.

But they really are riding their ways offensively, and I think they're laying the groundwork that you can imagine if Garland comes back healthy. Maybe we can get back to seeing something close we saw last year when they were one of the most dominant teams the last 10 years. But we're not there yet. It's not going to happen.

Nicks were coming off the heels of the all-time low. and we had a couple bounce back games but the all-time low is in the rear of remear we're not too far away from it Katz still didn't have a good game to last game he won't have any good games I think we're just done with assuming Katz

and we get good this year yeah they currently are one game above the Cavs in the standings because they played two more games I'm two less games 29 and 20 for the Cavs 29 and 18 for the Knicks 5 and 5 in the last 10

the Cavs are 8 and 2 in their last 10 yeah I think this is where we enter the Knicks precisely we're writing this list because regardless of the fact even though they have been like of course better isolate. Still the biggest question is the same question that we've had. Damn you're all year long.

And so with that being said, yeah, I don't understand why we want to have the calves ahead. Yeah, I think if we're going to, when we was reward the calves for last 10 games being better and not forgetting what we've seen from the Knicks before the last three games. Yeah. Last four games. I want a four game win. Oh, it's a four game streak now? Well, good for them.

Five game one shoot for the calves. Five bigger than four. Mm-hmm. but both these scenes should be close to each other but we did give generational belt to the to the nets yeah they definitely they definitely let out some frustration that counts for two

they let some frustrations up for sure oh my god you're are freaky frogs today man what's going on that was so unnecessary you didn't have to say like that's oh right

all right It's a freaky fall Oh my goodness Now we've been to the top tiers We have the favorite number one Which I think we all know who it is In the five teams below that Which are the teams that we think

Can really really give them a chance To win the championship Okay Obviously the Pistons that will last I think To me, actually let me not say obvious Pistons, Celtics and Spurs Are the three teams that I'm considering First six, five and four

Do we want to go based on who they are today Just regular season context Who we want is Are we saying if the playoff started today, how do you want to gauge that? Because all three those teams are flawed. I'm going to pause you right there. I don't think the Pistons deserve to be last at this moment in time.

The Rockets did lose Stephen Adams. Oh, I didn't see the Rockets there. My bad. Yeah, Rockets, no one. They did lose Stephen Adams for the rest of the fucking year. And they already don't have Frayv Mavit. That's two of their top, I don't know, four, five most impactful players on their fucking roster just gone out of the whim.

And yes, like, Aminis has been having, like, a fantastic season. And he's been ascending in his, like, own right. but still like the flaws on this team how teams are constantly every single night and every time you see them go against a playoff contender they're they're ducking they're trying to destroy reach separate every single time they have an opportunity to and they're doing that he gives you no resistance defensively their flaws are massive i'm with you yeah i agree with him a six i see you have an objection you can voice it but i agree i think they just they just played the spurs i will say this the spurs have victor womenyama so let's not overreact to any team that gets

locked back with Victor Women Yama. Let's not do what we did with the thunder where if you get beat up by the best defender on the planet, we're like, oh my God, but they put Victor Womoyama on a man, had him float off of him and help on the elbow touches from Schengun and KD, and they put Stefan Castle in Schengun, a strong, smaller guy to get under him and make his life hard in the post. Lock those motherfuckers up in that half court. And that's going to be a problem that happens a lot when you don't have your offensive rebounding superpower with Stephen Adams to wake up for the lack of half court scoring. You don't have the playmaking. Kevin Durant's handles been an issue all year as a playmaker.

Shengun, after the start to the year, we shot 40% from three and was dominant for the first two weeks, is scoring at the rate of Shangoon, who is still a very good creator with the ball in his hands, but not one of the most efficient post-scores in the league. These half-coress are not going anywhere. And I think that probably is a difference in this tier of teams that really what matters for this tier is playoffs,

and that'll be an issue. Okay. And for that reason, I still think that the Pistons should be at six. Okay. I think when we are looking at Detroit, And the way that we've talked about them all year about they are fundamentally, like, they don't have the, they don't have the guys to hang in it offensively in a playoff series. And whether it's, whether like they do make a crazy run to the finals and they play one of these other, these other Western Conference teams, like they're getting locked up.

If they just go on a run in the Eastern Conference, the moment I say, okay, I'm putting two on K, now what? Now what? Like who else is going to be able to create out of those opportunities? Is the Sarre Thompson going to be able to go downhill and be like a release valve with Jalen Daring going to be able to step up and not? We're eventually going to get into situations. They had a game against the Nuggets the other night. Crunch Time.

You know who was making Crunch Time buckets for them against the Nuggets? Tobias Harris. We're going to go into playoff basketball with, okay. I'm putting two on K now what? And their big joker is Tobias Harris. I don't think that they should be below the rockets. I do think that like we've talked so much about like if they don't make a move, they're really just kind of like fooling themselves.

For that reason, I think that I think the rockets are better. I understand that and I agree. But I think still the Detroit Pistons have still one of the more elite, an elite defense in the league. Of course, the Rockets do still too. But they're not at they're like clearly taking a step back from what they were last year. And on top of that, so I think that conversation more so has to do with more so, like, what happens in the playoffs and what's their end-all-b-all versus, like, currently what's happening right now with the Rockets.

That's the thing. I agree with you in a macro sense that I would say if I'm gauging every team that has a championship odds, I guess I would put the Rockets slightly above them because I think the odds are zero that the Pistons win the championship unless they make a move. So I agree in a macro sense that those flaws are a bigger deal towards winning a championship. This goes back to the same thing. We always have on power rankings. How much do we balance that with what you're doing?

doing right now today. They're 8 and 2 in their last 10, 34 and 11 on the season, have never taken a step off that one seed. I've continued to roll over teams in a regular season setting. Deserve more credit for that. But obviously the question marks are still there. Do let the question marks completely bogged down everything? Let me tell you something right now.

Real quick. Alfred Singh Goon, he had a good like two weeks shooting the ball from the three point line. Since then, over the last 20 games, he's been shooting 13% from the three point line. Specifically shooting four for 20. from there. Yeah, man, never wronged as early. Don't,

don't worry, don't worry about that. Also, first of all, the last week, Chang'un's been hooping, though. He's been going,

he's been going crazy. He's been hoping. And I... It's not about him, though. It's about everything crumbling around him and now, like,

the ecosystem that made him so great, or that made it so possible to win with him as an lead playmaker when you have the offense rebounding advantage. It's kind of,

it's getting harder to imagine that. I think, I just think that for the, for the Rockets, let's also give them a little bit of of time now. Now that like Stephen Adams is is gone,

let's give them like a week or so to, to figure stuff out. I just think that like for the for the pistons, I just still think that the ceiling for the rockets is higher. You're right. And that's why. And that's why I would put them above, above the pistons.

The ceiling is higher, but I'm more inclined to give the benefit of it out for this ranking of high ranking to what you are right now. but you've been as of late. So I'm inclined to give that tiebreaker to the Pistons. But if we argue the highbreaker on, can you win a championship?

And I probably do agree. Yeah, because the top six teams, these are the teams that we expect to, like, reasonably be in the mix for a conference finals series and stuff like that. They're obviously the top two team in the east. So now we're talking about can you go out and be this dominant team and beat the Celtics on the other side? I don't, I don't know.

I think you go to the Celtics next. So this, whoa. So you put the Celtics behind the Pistons? Yeah, yeah. I want to put the Celtics up next. Don't want to do that. Okay. Let's put the Pistons next.

The Celtics, how do we want to, Jason Tamm just said he might not come back after all. He was like, hold on, don't get too excited. I don't know what I want to do yet. Even then, I still think the Celtics without Tatum can beat the Pistons and when they used to. I don't know. I don't know, man. I think I'd rather put the Pist, I mean, the Celtics up there and then the Pistons. We're going to go Pistons at five.

We'll vote you there the way we have voted him. We'll put the Pistons at five. Celtics are hard because everything that in the regular season you've seen so far should tell us it should translate to the playoffs. I think better than the Pistons in terms of a half-court offense. There's also just something in me that I'm like, can we trust this translate in the playoffs 100%? Like we're giving so much credit to Joe Mazzula, which she deserves. I just don't want to do too much. much and let the idea that we keep bringing into our expectations idea of Tatum coming back.

And I feel like that bleeds into our perspective. So I don't know how to probably align my own expectations with if he doesn't come back, with how it's going to translate all this schemed up offense that has been incredible. Will a playoff team be able to sit on that a little more? I don't know. Yeah. I think if you start to have conversations about what they look like in the playoffs and how, like, yo, Sam Hauser is like an actual pivotal piece to this whole thing.

Sam Hauser, what are he doing? That should not be his role at this point. He's good. Great player. Good player. He's good. I mean, come on. He's like, good. He's real high total pole now, is what he's saying.

And the same thing we're talking about with Cade. Like, oh, as soon as a double team and what happens. I like Sam Halzler. Cool. Nice guy. Should we, the pistons have been better than them all year. There's really no. Yeah.

And the pistons are still like one of the best defenses in the league. Yeah, we're probably, we're letting this flow into playoff talks a little too much, which is probably on me for introducing that as an element with the top five. Is it a power ranking, we should probably acknowledge the fact that for every second of the season, the Pistons have been better than the Celtics. For sure. And it hasn't changed as well. If the Pistons were struggling the last 10 games, I'll be with it.

There hasn't been a moment of let down for the Pistons from the start pretty much. Yeah, I agree, man. So, well, I do agree that the Celtics can get them. I trust Joe Mazzula. For the purpose of this ranking, they've been the better team so far. And to me now, Spurs easily go here. Right? Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Their guard play is goddamn anemic right now. Their offense is a problem. Stefan Castle has revered to being exactly as efficient as he was as a rookie. All the big strides we saw him make have kind of disappeared. He's not shooting better. He's not playing making better. He's still obviously a good slasher, do the Dunker Spot stuff, great defender. The scoring problems are still there.

And Deer Fox says in bad games and plays some good games too. He hasn't been quite as bad. Dylan Harper hit a rookie wall for a bit. It really is an issue right now that those three guards that were such a strength around Christmas when they were beaten up on the thunder, have him been quite as superpowered. And again, it's January basketball, young players going through middle of the season issues before the All-Star Break happens. So I'm not panicking yet. But if we continue to see this, the piss-ins and South Lakes could very quickly pass them up.

I think if we're talking about right now and what they've been and seeing the wall that their guards have hit, because this isn't the first week that we've talked about. Their guards hitting the wall. Third row. If we're going to go by that, then I think that the person, Pistons have to be three over the spurs then. Yeah, well, the problem is their defense is so goddamn dominant that they're still winning games. They're still six and four in the last 10. They're still finding, they just beat the

Rockets. Like, the other side of the ball is still so strong. I mean, they, they, they lost to the Rockets two games ago. Like, yeah, you know, so they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, the, the, the pistons have, have, have, have, have, have, have, have, have, two more wins, one less loss. They have, uh, also a dominant defense at the top of of their conference. Like, they haven't, if we're just going based off of this, they haven't done anything to necessarily lose one of these top three spots. Okay.

Yeah. Sure. As it today, some of the identity stuff of the offense of the spurs, some of the stuff that drives them on their best or struggling, that's not the case for the Pissons. And maybe they're kind of equal caliber teams right now within a couple of games of each other that we're going to go towards

the team that's currently playing closer to their best. Okay. 100%. Yeah, I agree. With the Pistons, like, regardless of the type of shooting games that Kate has, regardless of whatever. like pivotal moments you may be overly relying on someone like tobias harris there's one thing that's

always going to sustain is that their elite defense and there's going to get just enough offensively meanwhile for the spurs of course you're going to get a great defense too not necessarily elite elite elite elite top of their class like the pittons well also like the whole deer on fox thing as a late i think these last six games or so he's been shooting like outstanding from three but prior to that like last week's episode we're talking about how yeah he's been shooting like i don't know 24, 25% of 3. It was real bad. And then Dylan Harper just had a good game last night.

But even him just prior to last week was way up and down. The pissings, they remain. Yeah, all those guards have been very up and down. When they're up and we get all three of them at the same time clicking, it's holy shit, this team is ahead of schedule. When they're down, which you can't really judge them with they're down because it's, you know, it's a long season. It looks ugly.

Yeah. I forget to also, brother, Spurs gave the Pelicans a win. bro we had discourse about we had discourse that Wimby can't guard Zion I'm like bro Zion doesn't necessarily perform well against Wembe they've had a lot of games against each other and like none of the numbers bear out

that Wembe has a problem with Zion they just have that one game and if you let us have to hype up to the Pelicans for one day I'm docking you a point I gotta check up the stats between these two man he does but it's also the same thing because like I see the same thing whenever he plays Shingoon where like

both Shingun and Zion have these super weird body types and their, like, their center of gravity is so, like, so much lower than what Wembe's is. So that if you're able to get super close into his body, you can kind of, you can get him off, off balance or off platform. And you can score on them. The expectations are so high that, like, you can score on him a couple times is like, they got him. Whenby can't him. I mean, well, listen, Shangoon, obviously, it was a, it was a, it was a couple years ago. And it was much earlier in Wembe's, he gave him 40. Yeah. He's, he's had, he's had, he's had, he's had, he's, He's had success against him, but it's funny because every time that he goes, like, to score on one beat, there's one move that Shangoon has where he's like, I'm really just going to back you up and get you under the rim.

And then out of nowhere, just throw this little hook. Yeah. But both, I can see where the discourse comes from on both of those. Number two and number one, OKC and Denver. I think we're obviously still going OKC1 and Denver two. If Nicole Yokes never got hurt and we got this team really clicking, the number one spot could have been gettable. It really could have been getable With how injured OTC has been

Trying to give it away They're just really injured man They're just so hurt And can't overcome it right now Jadub's still out Isaiah Hardenstein and Caruso Missing Time at the same time as Jada being out

They're just so undermanned offensively And just so Outside of Chet and Shea They just aren't playing very many good offensive players right now And it's a problem And the defense is always gonna keep them alive

And it's always gonna make them Win some games and it's always gonna make them One of the best teams in the league This year more than last The offensive weaknesses are really starting to shine I think.

And it's because J-D-Up isn't there really. And J-D-B isn't playing well when he was there. And even them, I don't care. You can't lose to the Pacers. And on top of J-D-Bes-M-N-N-A-W-N. Well, they have some kind of magic curse over the Thunder. I'm not even going to acknowledge that. They just have some type of mystical being

that has granted them the ability to beat the Thunder. Loss of the Pacers. Scotty Barnes came in there, smacked you around. Like, that's stuff. You had a loss of the heat a couple of nights ago. Like, there's been some moments. And this is kind of the story.

of their season as well where when they're down, it looks like they're really down. And ultimately, it's still just like a regular, you know, 500 stretch, 6 and 4 shirts, like it's whatever, but their woes seem to come in waves. And then all of a sudden they

pop back up and it's like, okay, they are still the favorite to win the title. Yeah, yeah. We have expectations of them being on a 70 win pace. So every time they go on a 60 win pace, it's like, what the fuck? Fraunts. And when it's it even worse when it comes to their offensive woes is you know like AJ Mitchell has been playing either these last specific few games too

so it's like yeah they're playing case of wallis saving basketball he got hurt too casein wallis also got hurt and he's also been bad when he's offensively there's just a lot of players missing and they don't have the margin for air to withstand that offensively again i'm saying it all year i pray to make a move to improve and add some shooters the deadline yeah i doubt they will i really hope they do i do not want to see them go back into the playoffs with the defense or bust attitude having a higher offensive floor is so important sustaining winning. They can win multiple championships

with this defensive first attitude, of course. I just feel like the floor is so much lower when you go so far into it defensively. Plus, listen, they're going to mess around and let Yokin come back. The nuggets are disgusting. Everybody's, so many players are clicking right now

and using this time with the best players out to get those reps and improve. Payton Watson being this good. If he can keep it up in some regard, obviously the usage will go down with Yokin's back. It won't be exactly the same. But if he can carry momentum and be this good of a shooter, be this active of a cutter, all this stuff that he's doing right now, but they can be, they can be insane. We haven't even gotten, we got like five good Cam Johnson games before he got hurt.

If he comes back and gets it going, like, they have so much potential to get exponentially better than we've seen. This is going to be spooky, man. The back-to-back talk for O KC's looking real brittle right now. Yeah, injuries are fucking them. Like that's what it is every year. We keep having this conversation. Injuries fuck the Celtics in the second year. Drew and KP weren't themselves when they should have went back to back.

The Celtics were set up to be the team to finally do it because they were so dominant. Injuries fucked them. It's hard to do it two years in a row while getting a good injury case scenario. They went to seven games and like the obviously you can look at any playoff series and say like, oh, well, this happened and this happened. It's not going to happen next time. The issues with what happened with the Thunder going seven games, those are generally in their DNA. And they're worse now. They're worse now.

In terms of like they're shooting their defense or bust mentality, Yolich had some of the worst games that he's ever played in the playoffs in that series. I don't think you're going to get three of those games. Let them meet again. Yeah. I'm taking, I'm taking that part. I don't know.

That part I don't know because I mean. Of the worst games that he's ever played where it's like truly. I think it's probably, I think it stands the reason that the best most consistent player regeneration plays that is worse facing the best defensive generation. So I do think it stands to reason he'll perform worse than usual against OKC most of the time. Yeah, but worse than usual and like the worst playoff games of his career since he's become Yokic. Unless speaks to the high high floor if you're not playing OKC more than anything.

Yeah, I agree with those points. But I think the bigger talking point of that conversation is like, he's not scared to him. Dude, Denver was playing with like five and a half players last year. Julian Strothan don't count. He don't play defense at all. He's a walk and lick. That's why I say five and a half. MPJ, again, he's the half defense.

But yo, he has one arm again, point five, point three of a player at that point in time. They have so many more bodies. And I don't even think like with this roster right now, if whatever their peak is, what I can fully imagine it, when they're all healthy, I don't know how OKC would be able to not contend at all, but I don't know if they would be able to topple over what the nuggets are at their potential best.

All hypothetical conversations right now. Sure, but if you're doing potential best, there's also potential best for OKC where they're even better. So I'm not going to go as far as I don't know how they can beat Denver. But I definitely know how Denver can beat OKC. And that's a very possible scenario. Yeah. Very possible because they're training up, theoretically, when Yokos comes back to training up,

OKC is training down, down, down. Yeah, man. They're going to do it. Hardinstein's coming back, which is hugely important. Hardinstein at the beginning of the year, vital to them going to, was it 25 and 1? 24-on-1. 24-1. He was vital to them maintaining that without J-Dub, giving them that secondary playmaking from the big-man position.

Him coming back will help a lot. We'll see what the J-D-U question is. They're not being Denver without J-Dap. I'll put it that way. For sure. That's really what it comes down to. Yeah. And then Caruso, Hardinstein, all these guys also matter to be healthy.

But if J-Dub is not here and playing closer to last year than he has this year, they won't be Denver. Yeah. Is there any last-minute changes that we should make here? The only thing in my mind that I can think of is like, yeah, Orlando really doesn't belong to be above the Warriors or even the Hawksboro at this point in time. They don't have like, Orlando just the worst product on both ends of the floor. They have the worst star player on both. both ends of the fucking four. All right.

We're a star player? He's saying Jalen Johnson better than Pallel. Yes. What are we talking? Yes. Resounding yes. I'm not going to say it's a gap

or anything like that, but I don't care. There's no way in hell like I'm not going to lie. The Orlando magic to be right there. Do you want to swap them in the Hux? Will that make you feel better? Sure.

Okay. Let's do it. I don't give a fuck. You can have it. We're correcting basketball. They don't do anything better than us at this point in time. The Hux is better than the Warriors?

Do you want to do the Warriors? Hawks? I don't know. We're trending up. We're trending up. What do you mean? He wanted it. I don't give a fuck.

Everybody gets something. Thank you. This is not fair. What do you want? Jared Allen. Yeah, keep on begging. Jared Allen is bad. Mark Williams, maybe.

Nah. Ew. Nah, it's never happening. Sorry, man. Never happening. Daniel Gafford? That could happen. I don't think Daniel Gafford is materially any different than Jackson Hayes?

it's not about Jackson Hays. Yeah, you're not getting anything. If he had two Jackson Hases, do you think he would play them for the entire game? J.J. Redick? No. Fuck. He didn't like Jackson Haze either. No, he wouldn't.

J.J. Redding hates his team, and it shows. That's what really we should talk about when we were talking about him earlier. He despises his roster. He hates that he has no shooters, that he has weak big men that can't rebound at a high level. He hates that his stars don't play defense. What type of meetings do you think he's having with Rob Penlink? right now. Just like,

what do you want to do this? I don't know what's going on in that goddamn front office right now. There's a lot of things hanging over everybody. It's a movie.

Yeah, folks, LeBron's saying I ain't asked him to draft Ronnie. Ah, man. Now, remember a Shepard went on a limb and was like, he didn't ask actually.

Um, from this. Leave him alone. And with that being said, that is our power rankings for the mid-season section. That's a real fun time. Shout out DeAndre

in his mental state. We're on the TikTok time You've never been so mean to a player Ever in your life, I swear I didn't feel like what's that mean I've called people terrorists on house calls I don't know I think I could be meaner

We're on the TikTok time Even then That's that's about their play You didn't criticize Their mental I don't know Bradley Bowes and Walo But if I did You never questioned his manhood

Ever in your life If I knew Bradley Bozum better I'd throw some low blows If I knew Mackay Beckettin Behind the scenes I had some shit to say Welcome to TikTok time. Today, as always, as usual, we're going to go with the draft.

This time, we're going to stick to the theme. We've been doing with these drafts. We have this wheel here of every NBA team on it. We are going to spin it and draw players from the wheel and the team that we land on. Today, we are going to pick players that were international players on this team. So that's the only rule is that to be international player and had to be a version of that player on this team.

Gotcha. Okay. So all the time. Yep, all time. Draft order is me, Donovan Moe, and instead of doing every single player against a new team, we're just going to do five teams

one of each category. Makes sense. Yeah, not to make it take quite so long. So first team we got up, I got first pick, international players only, let's see where we go.

We're going to need time to think about this one. Yeah. Where we got, Utah Jazz. Okay. Ooh. Ah, I don't know.

Is Markine, Markine's American, right? I think so. We're not the whole thing. I love, I got to be honest this one. We can't quite be holding each other at a fire. Sounds American.

I think Markine's a white man. Oh. You don't have to do the louis. Let me double check. I have two plus past I can go down. Which elite defender do I want to take? Yeah, he was born in Westminster, California. Okay.

There's two elite defenders I can decide on. Do I want to get laughed at or do I want to win? They're going to laugh for me if I do this first. I'm going to laugh regardless. Give you ready to go bear. First big in the draft. Ready-Gobert. Wow.

It was him or Andre Carillonico. Wow. Yeah, actually nasty for that. What is what I'm going to do? Boyan-McDonovitch. Take them. You could have Ricky Rubio. Great.

Take them stupid. Take Ricky Rubio. Please. Could have Boris Dio, dummy. Take them. It's ridiculous. Yeah, I'm going to take AK-47. Yep, yep.

Those are two best players to pick, I think. Damn, damn, damn. Okay. So I guess all that's left on my board is you meet Lari Marketing. Okay. One-time All-Star. can get you a cool 22, 23 in night flame thrower. I don't hate it.

Here's the thing. I did forget about Lauer Marketing. It's not bad though. Gobert is probably better, but I did forget about Lauer Marketman. That's not better at all. Okay. Lowry Markin.

That's pretty goddamn good. Yeah. I'm not doing too bad. Too shabby on my end. Next team. Mo's up first. Where are we going? Okay.

Please. Oh my God. That's the jazz again. No fucking way. No, this is the Hornets. This is even worse. Third. Ooh, I don't like life.

The only guy I can think about it is like Tony Parker, but we got to pick that version of it? Yeah, you got to pick and washed up Tony Parker. Who has these guys taken? Nah, I have to do research. Nah, like this is so bad. There's no good option. There's no good options at all. Oh, all their best players are American.

Exactly. I know this already, man. Fuck. Who do I want to take right now? Who are the best foreign players that they've taken in NBA history? Nobody now. I legit don't know. T. John Salon now.

That's awful. Hey, pick T. John Salon, please. Like, what else are we? He's been hooping as a link. Borsdi, Lepley. I said Boris Dio as a troll. I don't want him for real. Vlad A. Dvotch.

No, man. It's bad. It really. Yo, this is a shit fest right now. There's no good. good options for nobody. Just say a name and we can keep it moving. Fuck, man.

I, oh, man. Oh, man. You want a Nerkich? Hell not. That'll nuke my entire team. Never in no universe will ever take your Narkich, right? That can never. Oh, you got to take somebody to keep moving.

Fuck, bro. Let me do. God. Come on. Dude, this is nasty. Work. We understand it's nasty. Just take somebody.

Take Boris D. Make a choice. Fuck, man. I guess just go ahead and give me. Put Tony Parker down for him. Nah. Give me T. John Salon at my three. Someone who's just going to stand there.

That's an insane pick. It's a disgusting pick. That's nasty. I will take Speed McHylute. Who. Shit. Speed played in Charlotte. Yeah, he did.

He did for a little bit. I remember that. Okay. I'll take Svi. I guess that's fine. Yeah, you can have Svi. You know what? Give me Boris Dio.

Give me the French connection. I got Dio to go bare down there. Damn. I can do worse than that. Fuck, man. I told you to pick Dio so many times. You picked Salon. Yeah, I'm not paying Boris D.

I can't. You legit would have been better. I can't pick two guys who are like atroces on defense. I can't do that. Oh, you do have Lairmarians. little weird, okay. If you took Narkin, you still would have been better than Sol. Nah, no, Saddam's been hooping this year.

Now, he dig it is mistaken by Grant Williams, but he's been better. Stop that. Golden State Warriors. International players. All their greats are American. Fuck. This is not a good shake. Festus Azelis right there.

And Poros Dio again. Porst Dio. Oh, no, he didn't play in golds. No. I don't know why that I did for a second. Dude, we're cook. Okay. Will is American, Chris Mullen's American,

obviously all the Maloney Stars are American. I'm thinking Andrew Wiggins right now. I'm picking a supporting player. That's not bad. That's where I'm going right now. That's not bad. But I don't want to, I don't want to forget somebody. Listen, Wiggins and Goberrary, you could do worse defensively.

You. Rick Berry's American. Nate Thurman's American. Yo, man, this is not. Clay and Draywater American. I have my name. I know what I'm going. I guess I'll take Andrew Wiggins.

I feel like I'm forgetting an All-Star. No. That's the best name. Thought of him where you going? We are going with Leandro Barbosa. Okay. Wow.

Okay. Ew. Okay. Leandro Barbosa. Barbosa and Z. Backport. Yeah, you lost. What are you talking?

You have zero chance of being cut. Barbosa and Svi? This stupid fucking. I have a shooter and speed in my back court. What are we talking about? Speed on. He'll pull that shit. Okay.

Andrew Bogot. He's Australian. Oh, Bogus the right answer. I knew I forgot someone. You could put Bogot anywhere. What do you mean? Oh, you're right ahead. Goberra.

You can put Bogart. You can put Bogg nowhere. But I didn't even think about him. And that's wrong. I didn't think about him. Yeah. I thought you were going to take Zatzaa, but too, yeah.

No. Listen, all I need is one star and I'm good. Like if we get the rockets, oh, well, I guess. Well, no, no. I mean, unless you guys are going to put a chem at your two or something. I would do that. I would not let you have her under any circumstance. I would do that 100%.

Next team. This is not good at all right. This is our worst draft ever. Pacers. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Denver Nuggets. Yes. Yes.

Yes. Fuck. This is no, and I'm third. Yes. So I don't go for fuck I'm taking Yokicch no matter what I just got to reach up My entire team

I gotta put Lari out my fucking two I don't care it doesn't matter Yokic is gonna be hand the ball no matter what You have Lari Barra's shooting guard Yeah This stupid ass team We're playing big

We're lengthy And Yokin jokic is a nasty passing dude All right Andre Agu Dadawa Move speed to the three We're putting Jamal Murray At the two Okay

Okay, okay. Your team is nasty. I probably could have went somewhere else now that I'm thinking about it, but it's okay. I got talent because I 100% should have taken Matumbo. You definitely should take it with Tombo. He just trying to cook you.

That's all. And hope for a star. He just trying to cook you. But this is the tradeoff between playing offensive draft and defensive draft. This is the most clunkyest team ever. Legitimately, if he had Jamal Murray, Andrew Wiggins, Boris Diao, Ango Bear,

that team is like that. Yeah. You sacrifice himself. I appreciate you. You're welcome. I'm a team player. I really try. Yeah, yeah.

Who can I even take? I don't even know any names right now. Kenneth Verid is right there. Go ahead. Take Eduardo Nahara. Ooh. Eduardo. Oh.

Fontecio is right there. Emmanuel Moodye. I said Fontechio. My bad. What's that a little short dude on the Devere Nuggets? Compazo. Campazo. I'm putting Andrew Wiggins, MI2.

Kiki Vandeway, my three. Kiki Van Dewey, okay. I got an All-Star. I forgot. One of the hardest names of all time. I can't believe I forgot about them. I can't spell it. I can't.

I said one of the hardest names. I can't spell it either. It ends with G-H-E. I could not tell you. All I have a little. is a point guard. Last team. Where are we going? Back to the Warriors. Kill me.

Kill me today. Strike me down now. Oh, I know exactly what I'm going. I know exactly what I'm going. I don't know. Yeah, we got the worst way possible, man. Who are these point guards for the Charlotte? Can I just go ahead and take my pics?

I know you're not taking this guy. No, man. Who are these international players for the horse? The Lamello, he's not from this world if you ask him. But that's not even international. Oh, Mugsy Bokes is American, right? Yeah. Baird Davis is American.

LaBello's American. You got some guys. Raymond Felton. Do I have guys? Oh, there's one guy that you can take. Yeah, there's one guy. A point guard? Mm-hmm.

International. Yeah. And who am I not thinking of? There's a couple point guards that you can take here. Really? Yeah, there's like two that I'm looking at that are solid. Oh my God. Honestly, kind of additive to your team.

Kind of additive? I feel like you're on some bullshit. Yeah, he's lying. He's straight lying. Nothing about the hordes has ever been added in it. There's two guys. One that you would never think of because he played there for like two games. Well, was it a good version of a player, though?

I don't know. He played for two games. He got hurt. Charlotte Hornets Chaut on the lot No No No

Okay well I can't think of anybody I guess I'm taking old man Tony Parker Yeah To run the show That's the only name I don't know who else to possibly take Donovan who are you taking I am taking

Wait That was his big I'm a double check Tuck in the mic I know I'm a double check real quick. Okay. Because I had another option but he might be seen. No, no, no, no. I had another option, but

it wasn't there. So. Okay. Bismac Bialbo. Okay. Okay. Where's he from? He is from the Morning. The Democratic Republic of the Congo.

Okay. Okay. Your team is crazy. Your team is bullshit. You got Bismat MacBi Humber 7, Svee and Barbosa. Your team is already. You're Trees. They're all huge.

Now, I can, like, double down on my hugeness, for real if you want to talk about it. Charlotte Horrid. I can't believe how the Hordits twice. That nook decision. We should have gotten them once. Who are you finishing with? Fuck. Okay, so you know what?

Let's double down. You know what? Actually, hold on. I need someone who can slow down Tony Park, Rainbow. also because those are quick guys. Give me. Josh Green, good wing defender. Is he Canadian?

No, I think he's either Australian. Y'all messed up. Y'all messed up. Who is your sake? You could have taken Frank Nilakina? I'm not taking Frank Nigelina. You could have taken Meechich. I mean, there's no universe I'm taking him.

You could have taken Mietch? I'm not taking him either. I don't even remember him. He easily, Josh Green is running point for you. Yeah, not really. That's Yokic. I got Yokish that ends every conversation. Josh Green is really playing.

What are we talking about? I got Tony Parker. I'd rather have that than Frank. Listen, man, I got Yokich and Lari-Marcman. He said, Frank. I'm good. He played five games for him. Frank Nilequita.

He's crazy. I'd rather have Josh Green than Frank is Frank. Frank. Josh Green has a job to this day. Can't say that about John. Where is you playing right now? Who? Josh Green?

He's on the word still. I forgot. He's an or not. He's a lot. He forgot. Okay. So I got Josh Green at my one. Lairb marketing at my two.

Am I three? T. John Salad. And my four. Nicole Yolkich. And I'm my five. Andrew Bogart. Why did you take Tijon Salad? Bro, I needed someone who could just be a filler.

I just needed a guy. At my one. Okay. Leander Barbosa. And my two. Jamal Murray. MI 3, Steve McCaily.

And my 4. Andre Kirillenko and MI 5. Bizmak Bionbo. Tony Parker, Andrew Wiggins, Kiki Vanderway, Boris D.

D.O. And Rudey-Go-Bair. Also, my other option was, I was going to take a mecca for him. He's just from Texas.

He's just Nick. He's first Jan, so he was here. He's just like, yeah, he was in over here. What the fuck.

He's from Houston? What are the many Nigerians from Houston? He's just like Houston, Nigeria. Is he actually from Houston? I got to say, he's from Texas. That's funny, man. Yeah, so. Yeah, he is.

He's from Belair. Why is there so many Nigerians in Houston? I have no idea. It's many logos. How does that happen? Ridiculous. Oh, so my team is the only team that makes it lick of sense. Mad.

I have three all-stars. And then Boris D.L. Role player watched up to the park. I got. I have two all-stars. Kind of Jamal Murray. Oh, okay. Okay.

Assuming. Yeah, he's gonna make it. I got one of the 15 greatest players of all time in an all-star and Lari Markin and a... I think De Boca making an all-star and gold state? Former top pick. No, I think it was before Golden State. No, it was before Gold State.

Yeah, he made when I'm walking right? He's only one-time All-Star, right? I think so. Maybe like twice. Because he had the crazy injury. Yeah, he wasn't, I don't think it was an All-Star in Milwaukee. I don't think so. Does he never make an All-Star team?

I don't know. Why do I feel like Andrew Boggart was a one-time All-Star? I don't know. I mean, you may be thinking about David Lee or something. I was definitely thinking about David Lee. No, no, no, he's never been an All-Star. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So I got Boggart. Do you remember the injury? Do you remember where it looked like? No. Bro, he was going down on a fast break and dunked the ball and somebody pushed him behind. And he fell backwards and, like, landed with his, arms behind him.

Ooh. And so his elbow, like, elbow, shoulders, everything got dislocated. Damn. Yeah. I knew I heard. I never saw it. Yeah. He was cooked.

Damn. That was his first year in Golden State? No, it was in Milwaukee. Oh, okay. I thought you were saying Gold State injury. Oh, no, no, no. Was it the last from Milwaukee when he had 12 games? Probably, yeah.

He played 12 years ago. I would assume so. Okay. So that is our draft. Wow, man. That is an assortment of names. Next thing we're going to do. I saw this game from Breadbasket

and we were going to take it from them and apply it to sports. It was a great game they played I saw them to do with fictional characters. I have 12 players on the screen right now. I have one of them is the player in my mind. You have to guess a player from these 12 and you only get three hints.

Okay. So you have to ask me questions and narrow it down and after every question you have to talk about yourself. Be like, okay, that takes out so and so and so and so. Okay. So first question, where do you guys want to go? How do you want to start this? Okay.

What comes to mind, but no, you see all these players? Immediately what comes to my mind is, do you think these guys, when they're 60 years old with their track record, do you think they would be able to play basketball with their kids? Okay. With their bodies hold of? Yes. Lamello, hell not. Alex Caruso, he doesn't want to play basketball right now until it's April.

Kevin Love, he just playing for the love of the game and the memes. Luca, hell not. He just slipped on the court the other day. Joel and Bede. Sorry. Bo-B-Boh. Do you want to do that question? Does he even want to play basketball?

Josh Hart. Zaza Pachuia. Does he like basketball? Yeah. KD, he'll be playing basketball until he's in the nursery home. He's a nursery home. Retirement home.

Bronnie, aunt, no really. And it's not playing basketball at 60. Do you want to use that the first question? We'll eliminate so many guys. We do so many guys. Let's do it. So what's the question?

Do these guys look like they could play basketball with their kids when they're 60 and, above. Will they be movable? I feel like that's part, do they want to play basketball when they're 60 and where their

bodies hold up? Yeah, will their body hold up when they're like 60? Can they like move? Well, his body be good when he's 60. Yeah. I will say yes. Okay.

I will say probably. So it's not, it can't be La Mello, can be. Knock out, you pretty much knock out the entire first half for real. Why are you suing all these guys

are going to be crippled? Well, okay. Entry history. Yeah, Embed is not going to be able to play. That makes sense. Pete and Ben Simmons are probably instantly.

Ben Simmons don't already want to play at all. They're done. Bull Bulls is 7-4. Yeah, exactly. We're getting some kind of injury there. Lamella has weak ankles already. Yeah, it's already happening. Caruso plays a reckless style of basketball.

And again, like, he does not play now. Be careful, be careful with who you rule out. I feel confident. I feel confident. I'm looking at this. I already know. Okay. Is he a Zaza or Brani.

Well, Zaza's a seven-footer. When it comes to Zaza, I don't know how to gauge anything, but that's... I know 100%. Yeah. That's my guess. I'm telling you right now. I'm not going to hold the whole first half right now. Okay.

Question one. I do think my player will be able to play basketball with his kids when he's 60. Now, listen, we're not going to have the whole top row. Is this player, is this player very, very, very, very visible online? Do you like that as a question? Because Brony, he'd be online, he'd be gaming. Anthony Edwards, obviously online. KD, Twitter, Stan, Josh Hart.

He'd be tweeting sometimes. and has a podcast. Zaza, you ain't no one hear from. That's a good question. Yes, my player has an online presence. People chatter about him. Okay, so it's either Josh Hart, K.D. Brony,

or Anthony Edwards. Okay. I think we're going somewhere. I need one more question. Question number three. Okay, so you know that he's popular online and he'll probably be capable of moving when he's 60.

Okay. How do... Is KD moving when he's 60? Yes. What do you do you? Me? Yes. He's like, this question is not for him at all. He's going to be moving like crazy. Brani. See, and like, K.D. And then Josh Hart. Yeah, all four of those guys have been memes before since they are online. I want to, I want to ask some question to fully eliminate Josh Hart, but I feel like it's a little bit irresponsible.

What do you want to ask? It's a little irresponsible just to target one guy. No, yeah, that's not good. He said, do his thumbs work? Let's not do that. Let's not do that. Is he a fan of breast milk? I don't know. How can we exclude? Now, a one in two chance.

We can ask if the, if the dude has a rap verse out. Because in KD, dude, Josh Hart and Ronnie don't. That's a good split. That's a good split. That is very true. Let's do it. That's a great question. Does this person have a verified.

rap verse out. Verified is funny. I don't think so. I don't think it's verified if there is one. Okay, so it's Josh Hart. Brian and Josh Hart. Yeah. You have to take our picture.

You got a coin flip. Wait, did we, do we eliminate Zaza already? I don't know if. I don't remember if it was ever relevant. Well, I don't know if you rap. Yo, Zaza pissing me off right now, man.

I don't know if he wraps. I don't know if he wraps. But I'm from Georgia or something. Yeah. Sure. I probably should be. What do they be doing in Georgia, man? No, I doubt he's rap.

Yo, we didn't eliminate Zaza. He just came out the cut out of nowhere, man. He kind of went to go, John, he's turning to him. What if it's Zaza? Then he just surprises us once again. I kind of want to leave towards Zaza, man. I didn't think about him at all.

I promise you, he's not thinking about Zaza. You might be thinking about Zaza. Go ahead. That's like the sneaky undercut. Go ahead. It's kind of like that luau dang me. One thing I'll say, take your shot. For this game in general,

be sure you're, you eliminated players correctly. Like, really think about all your questions. Do you start triple seven? Take your shot. I don't think Zala would be hooping. I don't think he'll be movable. That is very true.

We work it back. And I don't know if Bonnie would want to be two, actually, as well. Don't know. He wouldn't even like basketball like that. You already during a lot of the young age. Let's go with Josh Hart. We're going Josh Hart.

Slame it. Locking in. The answer was Brony James. You guys failed. You got so close. Damn. So close. Should have known he was going to pick a lake.

Obviously. What the fuck? This was so easy. Of course you picked the Nick. I got swayed. Exactly. You picked a wrong bias. He's been joking a lot about Josh Hart recently, though.

I haven't. Yeah. It's not bad. Do you think Zaza wraps? Yeah. What does that be doing his off time? Does Zaza rap? Is he in the stew?

Does he cook? Speaking of Lakers, next thing we're going to do, I want you guys to rank the last 10 Lakers draft picks, ranked them from 1 through 10 who are the best players here.

They're all 10. Come on now. 1 through 10 ranked them all. Number one is Brandon Ingram, All-Star? Is Brandon Ingram better than Julius Randall?

No. I forgot Julius Randall's there. Julius Randall is probably a better player. They're both like, it's not probably. He's better for sure. He is a better player than Brennan's.

that's crazy. Now is his former Nick Bias? No, it's not. No, he's just better. I think he's been having a better season too.

Okay. I know, Julius Randall was number one. He's better than, he's better than branding room. Yeah. B. I too, clearly.

Uh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like, Dilo made an all-star team, but Ingram's all-star year is better than Dilos. Yeah.

Delo is currently not playing right now. Dilo currently is D&P for a team that desperately needs a point guard and they desperately don't want to play him. So, yeah, Ingris probably too, and no competition,

huh? I mean, unless we want to get, unless you want to bring Jan and Schifino into the conversation. He shouldn't even be on this list, man. Ingram is number two. Number three. And this is where, this is where Josh Hart makes his name known. Yeah. Is he the best role player here?

You guys don't do everybody at their best or everybody this year? Because, okay, because Peak Lonzo was very, very nice. Okay, let's do everybody at their peak. Deal a bit an All-Star team. Peak Lonzo was an elite role player for the Bulls before he got hurt. Peak Coosma? Pete Cusma had a moment. What is Pete Cusma?

His rookie year? His first year with the Wizards. He was kind of a bucket. Maybe. He was kind of nice. Core member on my fantasy basketball team that year. A very solid. 35 points in a lot of 107 points on one time.

He is not reaching these conversations. Please stop. I think we go Josh Hart for sure. Nah. I think you go Josh Hart. Bulls Lanzo over Josh Hart pretty easily. I think. I think Bulls Lanzo is only a moment in time.

too what's a full season we'll go that 2021 Josh Hart has like a catalog A season he can show you He got hurt Yeah If that's the case that I think I think Pete Coos might have to be three Well Pete Delo

I mean Peak Dilo's only one year though So we're talking about peaks Yo the Lakers are ass man What are we debate here? I think Cusbell should be three here Peak Cousman is fine Year 1 at the Wizards Cusmel

He was after 20 It wasn't a horrible defender Like five assist a game as a cool little playmaker. Okay. And then I think we should go Josh Hart. I agree with that. Josh Hart's better than...

I don't really have Josh Hart than... Then Lonzo Ball? He was... Josh Hart at his best is much more impactful to win than D.Lowe. Josh Hart, I'm talking about Lonzo. Even Lonzo, yeah, he stays on the floor, first and foremost. He's not... Okay.

Like, he's a better shooter, I guess, than Lonzo Ball, but even... He's had nice. He's had a lot more... He's a much more impactful player than Lonzo. Do you want to go 20-21, Lanzo over? for All-Star Deelow? Yes. Damn.

Fuck y'all. Hold on, man. Wait, wait. You're forgetting just how amazing. The All-Star Deal was a moment. That was a great moment in time. Man, fuck that shit. Y'all are forgetting how good Lonzo was that year with the Bulls.

They were one seed because of him being such a good glue guy. For a moment. We're talking about a moment. We're talking about a moment. I'm not ranking career accolades. This is just their moments. But Dealoh had a peak for an entire year. Who cares?

I don't care about the longevity of the peak. I'm talking about how good. the peak was. How long? The peak of the peak, what do you mean? I don't care. He peaked for longer, so thereby he had a longer peak. He had a longer peak.

This is a lawn over his deal of debate. Who gives a fun? I'm sorry. That's the problem. I'm standing on some right now, man. You should care. Yeah. It's Deelot.

I'm going to be long. For principle. Put D. Oh, my God. Come on, man. Talk about two months. Come on November, 2021. Leave me alone.

He was in a league before that. He was good for two. years before that still. Good. Yes. It was good before that. Whose career would you rather have? Dilo or Lonto Balls? Lonso balls easily. I don't want to be. Oh, Dillot made more money. Maybe I'd pick Dela. Lonsa got paid Dula, but. Yeah, but Dilo had that moment in Brooklyn. Yeah. That moment. That was cool. That moment of Brooklyn would not move me as far as like deciding the career. But money plus that moment. Okay. Yeah. Lanzo couldn't stand up. Yeah. Yeah. He had Yeah, Stephen A. Smith saying the most insane lies.

Yeah, I guess. So I guess that's the real question is, would you rather not be able to use your legs for a year and a half? Or be hated. Yeah. Or be the most hated man in Southern California. I don't want to be Delo, man. Yeah, you're going to D. Lo. Who's next?

All right. Larry Nancher Jr. Welcome to number seven. Very solid. Pretty clear. Moe Wagner is a problem, though, too. Welcome to number eight, Mo Wagner. Nine and ten, how do you want to decide?

Let's leave it empty. I don't care. We need to be had. Daldon Connect with Jalen Hood-Shafino. Who is having these conversations? And why do they need to have them? Why these guys are employed? Don't connect.

Welcome on number nine. Jailen Hood-Chifino, welcome on number 10. The last time I saw Dailen, I think he was like playing for the Sixers or something like on preseason. What is he doing now? I don't even know. I let's know right now. Jenna Burton was the cutoff for me. I'm not trusting any more Jalen's

coming into the league. Why not? You're anti the name? I'm anti Jalen at this point. Okay. The market is it's flooded. It's oversaturated. It's too saturated. There's way too many Jailen. We've reached peak Jalen. There's way too many Jalens in the world. Damn. Got the best one in the league right now.

Jalen Johnson, me. Nice. Next thing we're going to do. I'm going to show you two NBA players stat lines from this season. You have to guess who the better player is. only by the stats. True. You better get these right.

Okay, let's roll. Do not let your statistical biases lead you a straight. He always goes towards the buckets, man. So listen, it's one of five stats. It's 20% of the game. Really have to be. First off, player A versus player B, who is better? Damn.

They both don't pass for shit. For real. 1.7 assists outlanders. Three point. Yeah. And 3.7 is like, I guess you do it a little bit, but If you're if you're getting 3.7 assists Might as well just get 1.7

And get some more buckets Dude I like 7 3.7 doesn't move me at all You're a system passive You're just the guy You'd rather you lean into being such a black hole And just like have some character Yeah be unique Be an individual

Have an identity Half the league average is 3.7 assists Let's do Yeah I'm leading a player B personally Much more efficient Donovan you're going towards a bucket Yeah you're a liar bro You say I'm a liar?

Yeah You don't believe that. Well, it also depends who the player is. I'm going to play A. Player A is Dylan Brooks. Player B is Paul George. Hell yeah, I believe that. Give me Dylan Brooks, man.

Hell yeah. Rare Donovan victory in this. Okay. That's right for this season. I can agree with that. You got caught up in all these stupid numbers. Just look at one. Just look at one.

For this year, this is correct. There's no number for dog. I guess so. Nerd. Player A versus player B. Where are we going? Shit, man. 29 point per game to score with better efficiency

or the guy who's a little bit better about play maker and rebounder. Damn. 279 and 6. Same amount of blocks, same amount of steals. Essentially. 34%. One's above averages.

One's about average is a three point shooter. One's a little bit below average. Hmm. But one guy's more efficient in pretty much every regard. One assist difference. I think I might lean towards player A. Average 29.6 is kind of hard. 29.6 is crazy.

Not anymore. Anybody can do it. Give me player A. I will go player A. Player A is Jalen Brown. Player B is Jason Tatum from last year. Damn. We talked all year about how, listen, Jason Tatum,

you guys step it up. This is Jalen Brown stepping it up. So, Jim. So Jailen Brasson is what I'm hearing. This is nasty discourse right now. First team all NBA, Jailen Brown? Now, mind you, this is Jalen Brown. Was no one else on his team currently playing basketball for real.

We're going to talk about that. If this version of the Olympics for this year, this guy would play. Oh, my gosh. Nasty. He wouldn't sit on the bench. I'll tell you that. He would have no one. He's not playing paddockadee with Tyree's having to.

Nope. He's closing. Still car, respect him. I guess, man. Player A versus player B. Where are we going? 26, 7 and 7. Damn, he's putting up numbers.

9.7 free throw attempts per game. I know what you are What is he? That's crazy Ethical monster Monster You're a disgrace to the game He's a criminal man

I'm going player B What just because of that? You're scoring also You're scoring a little Just slightly more But you are more efficient And more ethical And more ethical

But he's getting more rebounds And assist though too Assist and a sister rebounder system rebound. The assist and the free throw attempts let you know that the ball is in his hands all the time. His team probably isn't that good anyways. They're probably just asking him to do a lot.

I'm going to player B. Oh my God. I'm going to player A. Player A is Denny. Player B is Kevin Durant. Look at me in my eyes. I tell you this, man. He systematically got to the root of the issue.

Kevin Aran is still better. Everything he said was factual. Maybe you were right. Player Avers, player B. Freaking, I'm like that. I'm like that. Take your crowd king. Player Avers, player B, where are we going?

Dude, 41% from the field, 23? Yeah, all for that alone, I'm sorry, we can't do that. But 8.1 assist, he's a playmaker. Yes, but four three point attempts to zero. But you see how you are taking four three's a game and you shoot 23%? You're trying to be something that you're not. The other person doesn't take threes because they know that they are not good at them. It's a different.

And how could I pick you when you don't even know yourself? Exactly. Ew, brough. But 22 points, six rebounds only? Like, where is the impact at? You don't take no threes. 58% fuel. I have more steals.

No threes. No passing. No three. More steals. More blocks, more efficient, more buckets. And I have a sense of identity as opposed to you just being, you're just a guy. I think you're out of player A. I'm going to player B.

Player A is John Moran. Player B is Zion. If there's one thing that Zion has told us, he knows who he is. Where does Zion, zero percent of three? Is that a mistake? I don't know. I think that he's taking no threes this, or he's made no threes this year. Really?

Zion knows who he is. He's made no threes this year. He knows who he is. I thought that shit was a typing error. No, man. 33 games, no threes. Yeah. No jippers?

No jumpers. No jumpers. No jumpers. Six rebounds. No swish. He ain't blocking no shots. No rattles? No bank shots? See, nothing.

No heaves? Crazy. This is nasty. So who won the 2019 draft? Still probably the Pelicans. Nobody. Whole draft was a dud. Player A versus player B.

These are real players. 22, 7 and 5 versus 2011. and three assists. Okay. All right. 49% 49% from the field

for player B slightly more efficient. They don't, I need to know how many threes they take but they're not as good of a shooter. Might not really care about that,

though. Yeah. I like the all, the like all aroundness of player B. So I think I'm a lean towards him. Yeah. Once you start crossing over like five assists,

that is something that you, that you do. You do have the ball in your hands a little bit more. 2.9 is like 11 rebounds a lot. It is. It is. I have to see obviously at the end of this like

Lively rebounder and you shoot 36% from three. That is good. You got something to your game. That is valuable. 20 points as well. 2010, 36% for three league average. It's a good player. It does seem like that player baseline,

they can play for any team. Yep. Can you player B though? I'll trust him. Player B is. Julius Randall versus Carlton Towns. All I'm hearing is a certain teen not based in New York won the cat trade. I fear that Julius Randall has been better this year.

That's crazy. This is facts. And I fear it's not close. Player A versus player B. Where are we going? We got 28. So many numbers here. 3.4 assists to 3.3.

You both are not really doing anything. Six rebounds to seven rebounds again. that's clearly not your strength. So now I have to judge you based off of the score. 28 points, nearly 50% from the field on both sides. 2.2 steals is, that's very respectful. And you shoot 40% from 3? 39% percent.

I think player 8 kind of has to get this for me. Slightly more efficient overall, better shooter from the 3, more steals. Yeah, give me play, right. Yeah, more steals, more blocks and more points. Do you just him? You like that. I guess so. Player A is Kauai Leonard this year.

Player B is Kauai Leonard in 2019. Ah. When he won the championship with the Raptors. That's crazy, man. It's the wrong picture, but Raptors, Kauai. It is crazy that he's playing at this level again. And these are unprecedented heights for him. The best version of Kauai came out to play this year.

Who would have fucking thought? And he's taking like seven threes a game too. It's crazy. 40% he's a monster. Top 10 player again? He has to be. 2.2 steals is nuts. Insane.

Crazy. Player A versus player B. Where are we going? Whoa, man. 29 points versus just 18. 18 and 9? I know. Okay.

Okay. 38. Same level of efficiency pretty much. They both gunners from the three point line. 9.2 assist. So we're talking about 19 and 9. Feels like it's not even close, honestly. Versus 29 and 7.

Yeah. I think player. I think player A smokes him. year. Yeah, he does. Player he obliterates. 18 and 9. I don't even remember what this is.

Oh, player A, we have Tyrese maxi this year. Player B is Tyrese Halliburton last year. And this is where numbers lie because I'd very much rather have Tyrese Halliburton than Tyreys. All I'm hearing is in the battle, Tyrese is you said Maxie smokes. Listen, man. Conversation need to be had. Who's the best Tyrese in the league? That's close.

Maxie. I think Halliburn has it. All I know is I heard you say verbatim. player A smokes. Tyrese wins. How about that? There you go. Next up,

player A is player B. See you again. I'm a fool for all around numbers. 22, 8, and 5. I love that.

50% from the field, too. Come on, man. 32% and 3 though. Five attempts a game. You're wasting shots. We're just calling those turnovers.

9.3s a game is crazy. 25, 7, and 3. Yeah, not. Nine three is a lot. You're getting them up at a high, at a high clip. Which means the ball's in your hands and you only have three point two assists. You are a black hole. You are black hole.

You are. You are. You are. Maybe it's an awful player. Nine, nine attempts of games a lot. It is a lot. You're not a... At that efficiency?

But 25 and seven with that efficiency, you're taking nine threes a game. Yeah, I'm taking point a rate. That numbers... numbers is crazy. You're providing value this year for sure. I'm not sure. I'm gonna go player B. Player A.

Michael Porter Jr., player B. LeBron James. How you feel? Mr. Braun's Stan? You feel like you betrayed your religion? Like a lie. I've been very much on it. I've been on top of my name.

Well, I mean, are we sure that LeBron's better than Michael Porter Jr. right now? Ooh. These numbers are a lie. These numbers are not real. Everything in this world is not real. real. This election fraud.

Damn. Next up, who are we looking at? All right. 26 versus 27. 4.3 rebounds to 3.7. Does not move me on that end. We're probably talking about some two guards here. Seven assists versus five.

44.8% from 3 versus 39. I'm sorry. Well, clearly, player A has to be better. 44.8 is undeneged. Who the fucking shooting that number? We have to go player A. Player A is Jamal Murray, player B is Steph Curry? Those jerseys.

You got it like that. You got it. I'm sorry. 45% from three is crazy. That's insane. Chain snatched. That jersey is disgusting also, by the way. There's too many numbers. Yeah.

45% from three is insane. Jamal Murray is having one of the greatest shooting seasons of all time. Dude. All NBA level right now. Yeah. 26 and 7 with that level of shooting? What? Yo, what are we talking about?

49% from the video. He's not missing this year. That just looks like a curry season on the left. If you told me that was 2019 Curry, I believe you. That's insane. Yeah. 45% for three doesn't matter. It doesn't make sense.

It's crazy. And then when Yohis comes back and he's shoot 43% from three. Ridiculous. Shout out of Jemal Murray. Ultimate reputation building year. Next up, who are these players? 65%? I'm sorry, under 30% from three.

I cannot condone that. We're going with player B. Even though, one point six assists? Well, look at the assist, though. He don't pass that bitch at all. You know who you are. He just be finishing plays. Correct.

Two blocks a game. There can be value to that. Ah. It's like a guard versus the wing. Under 30% from three. I can't do anything with that. I also have two blocks a game. Also, 8.7 rebounds.

It's not really a guard. I know. We are going to have some other issues because this is probably a big. big who does not rebound. Wing versus. Quite towards the level that I want him to. However, 65% from two can have a little bit of threes.

I don't know how many he takes per game, but it's okay. I'm going player B. Man, yeah, I roll a player B because 65% from two is insane. That's crazy. Yeah, you can play B. Player B is shed hungry. Player A is Palo Van Kero. That's unacceptable.

We can't have that. You can't be the face of the franchise. You shoot under 30%. I was told the Thunder would be better if you swapped out Palo and Chet. Who said that? I was told some bullshit. Chad Homegren has been better this year pretty easily. Who said that?

I mean. Two blocks a game. Need that. He's one of the most efficient scores in the NBA as a secondary play finisher. Two blocks a game while hitting his three as well. Crazy. These are conversations. Nobody's having no more.

That's tough. Palo FC dies in darkness. Damn. Next up, who are these two players? Fuck, okay. Relatively similar points, rebounds, and assists. Two steals a game? 44% from three?

23. 26 out 50%? He's shooting 44% from the 3. I'm going to player B. But somehow shooting under 50% from the- You're going to player after three points less as the bucket getting lover? I'm going to player B. I think player A is probably better.

Player A is better. Player A is Austin Reeves this year. Player B is MVP Steph Curry in 2015. He knows he's known he off the top of his head. I do know that. I do know that number off the top of it. Fucking Glazer. Freak nasty.

Ew. I saw his fucking face light up. Ew, man. It was never a world. I wasn't going to take that. Yeah, two steals. Oh.

Next up. Who are these two players? Damn. Who are these players? One shoots 41% from the field. And only 30% from three. Ew. Dude, the efficiency is disgusting.

1.5 rebounds. That's crazy. 8.9 assist, though. You can't grab two rebounds a game. Like, in four quarters, you can't grab one. I think Steve Nash got more than two rebounds a game. I think you keep up against one of two minutes, two rebounds a game you gave him the minutes. 19 and 9.

Yeah, I don't really understand player eight because 19 and 9, when you're taking six three is a game, clearly have the ball in your hands a lot. You're not shooting pretty efficiently from really anywhere. You're not getting threes up as much as I think that you would if you did have the ball on your hands that much. I think I have to go play a. I don't understand player A is killing me. Give me Player A.

I'll go play a one player on my team. Any day in a week. Player A is Tre Young. Player B is cock and nipple. Give me player A. You guys don't understand. You guys don't understand. These numbers are fake.

Cogganiple is so much better already. These numbers are nuked. He's so much better. I see why they traded. These numbers are new to their fake. What do I do with this? They're not real. Outside of win 34 games.

He played like eight games. Come on now. Everyone knows this. I do not understand him. Give me a player. I don't understand him either. Well, let me translate for you. I haven't understood him in three years.

Let me translate for you. You tends to be misunderstood. He's the one. Should have never been traded. All they needed a little bit of spacing. Some big guys behind him. A little bit of spacing. Yeah.

A spacer needing the spacing. Fuck off. Next up, who are these two players? Ooh, role players. 12 points versus 13 points, 8 and 8. I like the three free throw attempts per game. A little aggression with my role player. Slightly.

So there's still but there's less points for game, though, even with that. Same efficiency. Yeah, the efficiency is the same. One more block. Yeah, give me a player A. The same guy. The same guy. It's two.

Player A, I don't know why. Yeah, I'm going to player A, simply off. of free throw attempts. The opportunity for that point two blocks moves me. He's a little bit more physical. Player A. You know what?

That's correct. Player A is Mark Williams, player B is DeAndre Aden. A little more physical. Same guy, it's a little more physical. You know that same production, a little more physical.

Looks so different. That makes sense. That makes a whole sense. And what would those numbers have been of Mark Williams' Dex de Luca? Also shot, shot to the passing of Mark Williams. One whole assist.

You're right. It's not a. of every other game. You're not on and off the same way. Dude, and his... Sometimes he gets none, sometimes he gets one. Consistently one.

Dude, Mark Williams' second best ball handers who? Colin Gillespie? Third, Dylan Brooks. Meanwhile, he has... Luca Reeves and LeBron? Yeah, but you're the issue. Maybe Isaac was right. No, no kickouts.

Next thing we're going to do, I'm going to show you two years and the best players their position from that year. I want you guys to decide who has the best lineup that year and we're gonna go position by position. So first you'll pick who is the best point guard,

then best shooting guard. Basically see who wins three out of five positions. And we got 24 versus 2014, who has the best point guard? Yeah, I'm taking Chris Paul. 2024 is the year, Luca was like, damn me, a runner up from MVP. Yeah.

Every like 33. Yeah, it was 34. Yeah, 34, 10, and 10. Took his team to the finals. Has Chris Paul ever taking this team to the finals? Yeah, I'm taking Chris Paul. No, are you actually taking 2014 Chris Paul over 2024 at Lucas? I actually Loki, Loki do think I might.

It's a conversation for sure. Yeah, I think like the, because the second half of 2024 was when Luca really, really turned up. The team turned up. He was on fire the whole year. They just added Gafford and whatnot and they got better with PJ Washington and Gafford. But he was crazy the whole year. Give me Luca. Did take his team to the finals.

The ceiling is ridiculously high with that. So give me Luca. One was being held back by Doc Rubis. I actually, actually know, 14, I can't remember when he got fired. You could put Doc Rivers on this team in 2024. I can't, I can't remember when Vinny got fired if it was 2014 or 2015. I think Doc Rivers is there for 2014? Yeah, he was.

When did Vinny get fired? 2012? Couldn't have been 2012. I don't know. It might have been 13. Doc Rivers is certainly there by 2014. Either way. Doc Rivers is not an excuse at all.

Word? Looka would be doing whatever he wants. Excuse me? No. Luca would be doing whatever he wants. Luke will be doing whatever he wants. Dr.Riz is an excuse, but Jason Kidd isn't stellar either.

We're going to go Luca Donch's 2024. That's totally fair. He's giving you nightmares. Docker is certainly an excuse. Let's make that much clear. Somebody said the issue. It's the biggest excuse. Shooting guard.

Shea versus 2014 Hardin. We'll go say here. Yeah. We'll go Shay here. 24. Hardin wasn't like fully. fully like harder. Not nearest peak at all.

He had just become an all-star. Shea's obviously a million times better. She was runner up for MVP. It's clearly Shea. Yeah. Million times better. Way better than 24. Two million times better than Hardin.

The 2014 is especially, yeah. One more time. Three million times better than harder. Small forward. Jason Tatum versus Kevin Durantz with the MVP. Well, considering that this is just one of the best MVP seasons that we've seen over the last 25 years.

Oh, just one of the most efficient volume scoring seasons in all time. But Tatum did win a championship that year. Did KD do it? He did. Correct. This did happen. But I'm taking Katie. I'm taking Kiti.

It's not close, I fear. This version of KD, I think even either coming into this year or right after this year. He was in Turkey winning World Cup. 2024, where was Tatum on the international stage? Once again, on the bench. Handing Bam, water, you're right. On the bench. We will go with Kevin Durant here.

Okay. He got to fly polo shirt, though. He got to keep that. Oh, he did. He did. He did. Nice merch. Nice merch.

You got a care package. You got to do an activation for Polo Ralph Lord. And you know what? Scamming on company times you can get some nice merch. It's worth it. You got a free trip to Paris. Doesn't get much better than that. Power forward.

We have Janus versus 2014 LeBron. Was this the year, Janus? Don't ask no questions. It's 2014 LeBron. For sure. There's no disqual of a year. description of is this one yon honest it it doesn't matter is lebron yeah for the playoffs exactly yeah yeah yeah exactly two years in a row so yeah it's one of those years tough 24 and 25 playoff run disrupted by injury

but was still first team all NBA still one the greatest players of all time is 2014 lebron what are we talking about it's not a conversation now we are currently at two and two both forwards went to to 2014 both guards with the 2024 center i know how this plays out center is the final Decider who had the best team. 24, I'm not even looking. 2024 Yokic versus Joachim Noah. Jokim Noah, pioneer in the game. DPOI, first team all NBA over Dwight Howard.

Lo-key, if you think about it, you're really not getting the Yokic without a Joaquin. You're not getting a center who could do it all in terms of scoring, pass, and rebounding. He also played defense, too. Let's talk about it. I know. DPOY this year. Dog. Joky, you hear that?

Jokim Noah invented the big man passer. He was the first one to ever get into. assist at the center position. Had multiple triple doubles this year. I think he either led the league or was tied with the league leader with four triple doubles. Yes, he led the league and triple doubles with four. You have to start somewhere. Open the gates for Yokic to come in and play the solid ball there.

So are you going Jokie Mewa to make 2014 get the final victory? I think just off of influence alone, you might have to. Hell no. You get the victory. 2014 wins. This is not even close. Some stacked years, honestly. Yeah, these are really good.

Durant and LeBron at the same time. What time to be alive? Not too, man. The last year, Chris Paul was at the point guard in the league before stepdrey, stole a Shane. Damn. The last dance. Damn it.

It might have been this year, though, also. Because the Clippers, the Clippers beat them in the playoffs, but I think 2014 was the year that he crossed him up. Was it? Was it 14 or 15? I can't remember. Yeah, I don't remember.

I don't remember really. Last thing we're going to do today before we end this episode, we're going to do another tier list. As always, as tierless aficionados, we are going to put the best NBA stars to never win a championship into a tier list. All the ringless superstars from over the years, or most of them, obviously not all of them.

I have 19 of them right here that I think kind of tell the story of especially the modern NBA, our era. Tears are. Ringless goats. Somebody we appreciate despite not having any jewelry. It's not your fault. If man. Terrible teammates.

Playoff fraud and you're not that guy, pal. Not that guy, pal. Let's start off with one of the most infamous players that obviously belongs on this list. James Hardin, where do you want to go with him on here? You can fall into a lot of these categories. I think you got to consider him as a ringless goat. Oh my God. No.

He's definitely not. You're not that guy. That's ridiculous. He literally turned into the guy where, Like he choked every single year And you look at him And you're like You're not that guy

Maybe you can go playoff rod If you want to say He loses because of his own fault Every time It's very much on him I'm not giving James We're not giving James Harder In excuses and outsies

Okay so it's either Playoff fraud Because you think he's never Going to succeed To see the playoffs We're not giving him excuses I was gonna say

If man is possible If you want to say If you didn't have to play The greatest team of all time You would have won in 2018 That's fair He did just play The best team ever assembled

Or we can go play off rod And say You've had a lot of opportunities And he choked every time He lost to them in 15 before they were the greatest team ever assembled. I don't know, man. He wasn't really like championship ready, though, at that time. People were arguing that it was him or stuff for MVP.

And there was a game 5 closer where he literally set a playoff record for turnovers in an elimination game, 13 turnovers. So am I hearing playoff rod? This guy's not good in the playoffs. No, we can't do playoff fraud. Why? If there was ever, I mean, these are all great players, obviously. So it's not, if there was ever somebody that is known for being a great player that fails in the playoffs over and over again,

it probably would be James Harden. I'm looking at these other tears and I'm like, other than ringless goat, he doesn't fit in any of the other than any of the other than literally one season. But that was his year to win. So like that is a that's a realistic if. But there's more years he failed and went outside.

Exactly. He still went outside in his later years. I think playoff rod is fine. He did. They should have beat the Nuggets last year. They went to game seven and don't look up his staff. You'll fucking throw up. You're my goal in my hour, Hardin. Damn. Carmelo Anthony.

You're not that guy, pal. Should have never been that guy in the first place. Simple as that. Can't say he's a playoff fraud because, you know. How many times, you know? Isn't you not that guy, pal? Is he just, like, not good enough to be the number one on a championship team? I think so.

Is that just like the reality that had to be accepted? No, it's more of like an if, man. Because he had, he had, what's the if? What's the if? He had that one series in 2009. It was like, ah, if everything. Because if they, if they, if they, he's where the if man comes. If they beat the Lakers.

Because that series was tied to, too. They beat the Lakers. Who they play? Dwight Howard and the Magic? Yeah, we're on that. Are you sure? I think so. No.

I think so. I don't know if that's end up to give him if, man. Yeah, and that's one singular year compared to, like, his, like, I don't know, 17 year career. There's one singular if up there. So that's all I'm comparing it to. If James Harding can't get if, man, I don't think Carmelo can either. Yeah. It's either you're not that guy pal or a terrible teammate.

If you want to say that, like, he just, like, didn't work for whatever reasons and some of the stuff. And it was his fault that he, like, made the teams not work. I think he's just not that guy. Should have never been that guy. Not if you're trying to win a championship. Donovan? We'll go terrible teammate. Why?

Terrible teammate. Because there also was the stuff in O.K.C. Had he adjusted earlier into what his role was supposed to be with Russ and PG, that team probably could have went a little bit better, but that entire season was... But even then, like, they were never going to win. Yeah, that's really past his problem, though. Like, it's not really fair to hold that up against him. It's really, do you think he could have won in New York?

Denver. No. And did they lose because he's a terrible teammate or because he just wasn't good enough? He's probably does you not a little bit of both.

You want a terrible teammate? No, that's a lie. You're lying on his name. People, you think all of his team would be like you were a terrible teammate. No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm just not putting him in you're not that guy.

Exactly. That's the real answer. He's not that guy. That's all I'm putting this down to. It's not that guy, pal. He's just not quite good. I didn't make this. I think it's more damned

to say terrible teammate than you're not that. guy, you're a terrible team makes you sound like you're a fucking cancer in the locker yeah, you're not

that guy pal was like you're just not one of the 30 best players of all time that can carry a team to championship. It's okay. It's not quite that good.

It's so demeanial when you say it like that. I'd rather be demeaned than to be given the toxic label like I'm just like the reason about these fell apart. It just hurts.

For instance, Paul George. He's all. Oh, he could fall you're not that guy pal he could be if man when it comes to the leg injury. Oh, that is a good

If he may be like But I don't know if he was ever going to be like top 10 level without the injury. Who knows? I think you're probably not that guy. That's the biggest if you can't say that. I think he's probably you're not that guy, pal. Yeah, probably.

I don't know. He might be the face of if man. He's very similar. He can't be the face of this man. It could be. Why? I mean, right.

Like it took him like three, four years to bounce back to his peak year back in, what was it, 2018 where he was third in MVP voting. You're obsessed with that year? Back in, I think the year was 2012 or 2013. he went ban for band with LeBron the first round.

I have to go back and watch that series. Everyone just says that. We say that. And I know he played well. I cannot rationalize going ban for band with LeBron, with peak LeBron. Listen, was he actually going ban for band? No, he had a really well-round team. It means his team had a good series in which he pushed the team.

I don't know if we can't like go back and be like, yeah, Paul George is out here giving LeBron 35 every single night. I did go back for bachelor's funny regardless Yeah, exactly. Derek Rose Obviously, if, man. Complete if man.

Who knows that he could have accomplished him his music and fall apart? He could have been going toe to toe with LeBron for six years. Someone said that recently. Reggie Miller said that. Yeah, God damn. Yeah, I mean, listen,

I can assign anything I want to Derek Rose's career what could have been. I can say he'd rather have 10 championships. You can't tell me I'm wrong. If man. He's a pro seaboard of if man. Yep. Alan Iverson.

I feel he has ringless goat I feel like he's so loved by people Nobody cares at all he doesn't have a ring Nobody's ever held it against him Nobody wants to hold anything against Alan Averson Because he's awesome He's the people's stamp We're going to ringless goat

Exactly he could have had negative rings And people would still not care Yeah Yeah he's a face, okay He could have went 0 for 82 and people wouldn't care And it's and it's because like He's not a lot of people Who don't have rings

Even people who do have rings They're just super grumpy Alan Arsson is, especially now, not a grumpy guy. Does not care? Yeah, if you display the lack of care for not having a ring, nobody else will care. Yeah. Jimmy Butler. Listen, low key, he kind of elevated.

It's weird to put him in the same tier as AI, but he low key has like kind of elevated himself into this like myth legend type of guy of like playoff Jimmy but doesn't have a ring. Yeah. I would say it's not your fault. It's kind of up there. I would say it's not your fault. You jerk your team to two finals. The team wasn't good enough around you.

It's not your fault. You couldn't get it down. got him there. You just need some help. Yeah, but also I feel like no one really expected that either. Exactly. So it's super not your fault. You shouldn't even be these conversations, but you earned us up to get finals appearances. It is not your fault at all. Yeah, and you played prime brown and prime Yokic. It's super not your fault. Yeah. Who expects you to beat those guys? Okay. It could be ushered into ringless goat, but that's fine. I think in order to be a goat, you have to be like, it's goat. Like ultra talented. He's obviously he's talented, but he's not like a top five

talent in his position of all time. Definitely not. Like other guys. Tracy McGrady. If man. Or playoff fraud. Yeah. There's a playoff fraud for sure. But there's a lot of ifs though. Like he really never had, there's a lot of years wasting a teammate injuries, a lot of years to his own injuries. He did have some playoffrod moments. But there's also a lot of if man moments. He's really to make sure of both. We'll, we will respect Team Mac in this moment and we'll put him in if man. But just no. Those injuries are saving you from playoff front. I don't know, man. I don't know. I don't.

I don't know, man. No first round exits. Come on, man. Not once. Not once. He could go playoff fraud, but I think you combine his own injuries and then like Grant Hill injuries ruining his magic year, stuff like that where the team fell up around him. There's enough ifs. Time out. We got to put him up to it's not your fault. No, stop. Who's the coach? Doc Rivers. Come on down. If, man, if you didn't have Doc Rivers, what would have happened? At the scene of every crime is Doc Rivers. He's always there. He's always around. He's involved somehow. Yeah, he could get it's not your fault, but he did never make it out of the first round, so he can't quite go that far.

But Doc Rivers tax is going ban for ban with no first round. He could have got a ring. He could have been a guy with Tim Duncan to get rings. Come on, man. But Doc Roover said, nah. Your peeps can't get on the play. That's so funny. Russell Westbrook.

I have no idea. Here's the thing. I think he's not that guy. But it's either he's not that guy. or ringless goat. He's certainly not ringless goat. Okay, I low key, he kind of has to be in terrible teammate.

No, but it's not terrible. Terrible teammate, you want to rename this? Terrible teammate makes it sound like it has to be behavioral. He's just hard to fit around with other stars and like he just didn't work. That means you're not that guy.

If it's hard to fit around, I don't think you're that guy. Hard to win with? Hard to win with. Is that different than you're not that guy pal? But like they, they got to the conference final so many times.

The reason why I'm playing terrible teammate it is just because there are so many times where the final image of the Thunder in the series is Russell Westbrook taking some like ill-advised 35-footer and it's like oh Russ like you didn't have to do it you don't have to do that so that's what I'm that's what I'm saying terrible teammate because I just I have this vision of him of him taking shots and everybody else just been like so that that's my reason for terrible teammate terrible team it makes it sound like it's about people and like being hard to get along with and he's the opposite of that so it feels bad

but yeah that probably has to be the right answer here yeah because he had terrible team he also had I like this man he also had like decent playoff series to where it's not he's not like choking in the same way that like James Harding is yeah we can rename it if we can think of a better name but you're the problem

is kind of the sometimes you're the problem how about that we'll see how that fair is sometimes it's your fault Sometimes you're the problem. There you go. And you know what? Sometimes he's the problem.

Yeah. Many times he's the problem. Chris Paul. If, man. What's the if? If man. All these damn injuries are you? Are we sure he's not playoff rod?

Injuries did rob him in 2018, potentially. I mean, not only 2018. It was also that year where they faced the spurs was in the first or second round. In the first round. Yeah, injuries robbed him a few times. But it's, yeah. There's just so many sliding doors with the Clippers.

Yeah, 2021 he got there. They just lost. He didn't have Doc Rivers. Did have Doc Rivers tax. Maybe it's not his fault. Listen, he came to the Phoenix Sun's life, fixed him, got them to the finals.

The rest of the guys couldn't do their part. He might be a ringless goat. I'm kind of feeling it is not his fault. He kind of, it might be, it's not your fault. He really might be. He got to a final. The Phoenix Suns didn't get there before or after him in the Devin Booker era.

But what's the difference between him in AI? Like what's not stopping him from? Cloud. Klaught. MVP, just a little bit better, I guess, to people. He doesn't have MVP. Okay. Okay. To people.

You're not those people. If you ask me who would rather start my team with, I might pick Chris Paul. I do, I obviously, I understand if people pick Alan Iverson, but I just want to make sure I wasn't. I wasn't claiming that. I don't know. At the very least, I don't know. It's not your fault. Yeah.

It's Doug Rivers fault. Okay. It's Doc Rivers and DeAndre Hayton's fault. We'll put it on them. Why am I blanking? Who's the coach for that year for the Phoenix Suns? For what? For the 2020 ones.

That's Monty Williams. Monty Williams. Yeah, it's Monty Williams' fault. Charles Barkley. Ringless goat. Yeah. One of the more talented players at his position ever still. MVP again.

No, if we had terrible teammate on here still. Terrible. Now, he's a ringless goat. I think because he's done everything else and he is part of like his losses came down to going up against the goat so people are like it's fine

it's whatever he got an MVP in one of those like peak years we should really add a tier just blocked by Jordan some of these guys just got blocked by MJ for the whole 90s we can't well I don't know who else is on this list but I'm okay putting him in a different tier than other people okay I didn't put nasty man on this list

so you're asking yeah I would never then yeah we could put blocked by Jordan as a tier of this. Okay. That makes a little sense because there's many of these guys that just straight up couldn't be MJ. Or blocked by goat in general because there's another guy too.

Okay, maybe we'll revise it. You can't that's a different conversation. What? Now everybody was blocked. For sure. People were having meals. Eating, feasting. Okay, so blocked by Jordan is where Charles Barkley goes right here. Damn. That don't feel right.

Let's feel like that tier. Patrick Ewing. Do we count him as blocked by Jordan? Do you feel like the Knicks could have got one? Yes, but the best season that they could have gotten it, M.J. wasn't there. So I do think if, man, is the thing because you can, you can, the series that, like, he had a game seven mislayup. If that went in, they beat the Pacers, they probably go on to, to win a ring that year. and they go out and they lose to Hakeem.

Yep. And if the energy in the building doesn't change because OJ gets, you know, gets arrested, they start playing that in the arena, then I have no idea what happens. So you open up with him, If Man? Yeah, I actually do think Ewing is more If Man. Okay. Then not your fault.

I'll take it for that one. Reggie Miller. Also, if man. Okay. Also if Man. Could be low-key his best chance to get a ring. He wasn't going to be the best player, but his best chance to get a ring was in 04, and then they fought everybody in the stands.

So if the malice and the palace didn't happen, you could have got one? They, listen, and obviously people swear over now, but like those were the two best teams in the league at the time. They swear they was getting a chip that you. Well, I'm sure a lot. We'll swear a lot of things. No, man. What about the 90s teams?

That's blocked by it. Well, even then, not really blocked because they had a couple. They had a couple I had a series where you lose to the Knicks like they weren't in the East Conference every single year

like that that's what I'm saying Where does he fit on this then? Probably if it's either If man or not your fault Because like Reggie Miller did do his part Yeah I think we'd say

We go not your fault Yeah I think we would not your fault Then if you don't feel like Block by Jordan is a good narrative for it Yeah Not your fault feels fine Nobody ever slanderer Reggie Miller For falling short in the playoffs

Yalming If man I guess so Where else could he be Why is he on here? Yeah, you shouldn't be here at all. Like, I almost want to say like. I never thought about y'all being in this context.

Yeah, you're not that guy. I'm like, damn, man. If y'all got a ring, like. He was the cool story, bro. Where would y'all? What does this mean to yow's legacy? I never thought of that. I just want to see what she's saying.

That's crazy. You're not that guy. I'm sorry. Debar de Rosen. Again, you're not that guy. That's mean for yeah. Is it? You're not that guy.

He was chill. He was cool. He was a good guy. He just wasn't a top 35 player of all time or whatever. I mean, no, but he was also a super. He's not top 35 player of all time.

Yeah, that's cool. He's never been that guy. He could have been. I guess. He's like 7 and 6. 350. Like,

that's a cool story. I'll put him in if, man. His feet were bound to break down. Okay. DeMarda Rosen. You're not that guy. Playoff fraud? No, you're just not that guy.

Again, why is he on this list? He never scored 30 a year in his fucking life. He never won a fucking MVP. He never went to the fucking finals at all. And that's something that all these guys can say that they've done to some regard. Steve Nash. Yeah. Why did the 04 and 05?

Why did the seven seconds or less teams fail? That's when he obviously had his best chance to win. Historian Donovan. Where does this go? You could say it's not your fault. You can say if, man. You can say if the fight didn't happen between them and the spurs and then people step onto the core and people get suspended and they actually do the spurs. We have two people out here that have impacted my fights.

Okay. Put them on there next to each other. They used to fight. A lot. It used to be a thing. I would love to see a title race impacted. What if Chad Holmgren and Wembe just boxed and got suspended for the year and ruined OKC title? We saw that in 2016.

Oh, my God. throwing punches. True. No, he's throwing feet. No, he flicked his hand up on bronze balls. Oh, I thought he kicked them. Oh, no, I'm thinking of Stephen Adams. That was the same year. Yeah. That was a culmination of that. But yes, violence does swing titles, you know, titles in from time to time. You can't tell, of course, NBA history without violence. Okay. Steve Nash is not your fault. It's not. Luca Donchich. Sometimes you're the problem. I don't know where to put them just yet. I can't say it's not your fault. We really got to focus in 2024. I think.

Since you got trade to the Lakers team hasn't been good enough. So in terms of the Lakers, it's just not your fault. What the fuck are you going to do? So 2024 losing, you got hurt, and you weren't 100%,

but you were attacked defensively, but you got them there in the first place. But that doesn't excuse you from playing bad defense. Yeah. Injury to some extent does. I mean,

he was hobbled being attacked by the best offense and the best system ever to attack him. No, I'm saying, like, the fact that you got them there. Sure, but it makes it not your fault necessarily like they're only there because of you and your offense yes but now we're in like

this series you're getting attacked like sometimes you are the problem you are a problem is different than the problem is what i'm saying they were getting blitz regardless i think he's a part of the problem yeah yeah so inherently makes him a problem he is he is that guy he is not a playoff fraud i don't think we have enough situations for him to be in if man it's not not his fault yeah he's Not a goat. Yeah, I think sometimes you have the problem is the most apt tier for him.

Nico Harrison's watching this a scream on top of his lungs. I was thinking probably it's not your fault. Because the 24, 2024 is the only year he really could have won. They did not lose

as a Celtics because of Luka Danchich. But he didn't, he didn't play well. Sure. They didn't lose his Luka Dantzich. And I think for it to be, you're the problem, like you're the reason they lost.

Like, there's some things we can pinpoint if they lost because Russell Westberg wanted to have a shootout with Ricky Rubio. This is a little bit different, you know? There's things with looking with looking up in point too

like the amount of his defensive ever from time to time was just so fucking bad you're already losing half of the game like offensive you already have your struggles to be just like that big of a blip you're part of the problem and I can say like if kairi wasn't in his own head trying to

Kyrie was so bad too I forget about that like if Kyrie played at the same level that he did the previous three rounds they probably they would have had a much better chance they just weren't nearly good enough as a roster to be one of the greatest modern teams of all time So, like, I feel like if we're really indexing on 2024, to say you're the problem is, like, a lot of revisionist history based on how the last two years it went. So I just don't want to, I don't want to, I don't want to hold the Lakers being bad against him for 2024, is all I'm doing.

I'm sorry, sometimes you're on the problem. He's in the league right now. If you want to say, it's part of the problem today. That's fine. Joel Embed. You could do if man. If man or playoff fraud, depending on your point of view. I think it's mostly injuries.

So if man. Yeah. that's fine I don't know honestly even before all the injuries piled up like he puts up

that's the problem the injuries were always piling up from day one he missed the first year of his career they'd never not piled up

most of the years he went outside and played poorly he was playing through injury and he's the victim of his own ability to play through injury

and not miss games for a lot of those series so he did play poorly and you've run on the court you're held the standard of being the best player on the team

but he was usually not 100% just so bad so how do you parse that I can't like get out of the

thought In my mind when he was up 0-2 or 2-0 against the Boston Celtics back when they had Harden, Maxu, so they were obviously two. Up 3-2 and lost the last two games. Lost the game seven. Yeah. Again, it was super not healthy for any of these runs. But if that's just your reality, what am I supposed to do with that? Yeah, man.

He's never had a healthy playoff. Never made a conference finals. If Hart is there, maybe he has to be playoff fraud as well. Yeah, put him together. You say big hard. Yeah. Maybe you got to be played out fraud. It's really not your fault.

You really are if man, but patterns are patterns or patterns. What are we going to do? I don't know. Harding is way worse though because he's been 100% like his time career. You have no reason at all. He was mad healthy, just bricking. Yeah.

So I don't, he doesn't deserve to be next to the Hardin. I don't know if he did. I think he's probably if, man. If Joelle Embed has a meaningfully better, like if Joelle Embed has a 70th percent out outcome for an average NBA players health-wise, he's one of the greatest of all time. Weren't that he ran off the court by Terry Rozier in him? What year?

You're talking about 23? No, like 2018. Oh, against the Celtics, you're saying? Yeah. I don't, I can't remember

what happened in 2018. He wasn't nearly MVP level yet by then, so. If Yao was if, man, so was Joel and Bede. You know what? Fair.

Fair. Come on, man. Fair. And you know what? Drop you out of playoffs. No, no, no,

not, no. Never got it done. Super Siegey and appreciates for y'all being. Nah, man. I do think, though, that it is a good point

that, like, especially in Alvvives in the late years, if he missed playoff series instead of playing through injuries we talk about Drill and Bid entirely differently Yeah Like he really is the victim of gutting it out And being held to the standard

As if he was 100%. Okay Yeah, I agree. You're just disgusted? No, I... Drop you out, you're insane. We'll discuss later. There was a very clear shift

in when I lost all sympathy. Oh, I forgot. Nick's fan. John Stockton. final name. Why is he here? Hall of Famer. I guess blocked by MJ.

Yeah, got to be blocked for MJ. It's a definition. Yeah. Yeah. You got their back to back year. All time assist leader. Couldn't create enough buckets for others to be MJ. Hate to see it.

Yeah. What a sweet on it. No one likes John Stockton. Actually, no, I shouldn't say that. Many of white NBA fans mad at us every time you shit on John Stockton in the comments. They love him. You will not stop, though. But he was blocked by MJ.

You only make me hate harder. Very true. I won't stop. And you know what this makes sense for James Hardin to stand alone Yeah yeah I agree He needs to be alone Luca is in terms of the problem

He feels so unfair He needs to be alone Russ should also stand alone Russ is also as uniquely flawed as James Harden is like Rush should really stand alone Okay so where should put Luca I agree let's move him It's not your fault for Luca

Let's alienate these guys Sit with yourself Think about what you've done to discourse You didn't ask Raplin get a tray for you You didn't ask that Oh my God 24 is super not as well They were supposed to get belt to ask

Like regards to that even if Kyrie was playing at his normal level They should have lost And they weren't supposed to be there Like they were a mediocre team halfway through They just turned it up like Yeah because they redid They redid the team It was a different team that

Sure yeah they had two important parts of course But like he was not the problem Of why they lost the 2024 finals No but he was so unbelievably Everybody's part of it But I think that tier makes it sound like, you know, we know the difference in Lucas and Russell Westbrook. I don't know.

I mean, from time to time. You don't know. We're doing a lot. You don't know. Time to time he get, he'd be getting blown by. You don't know. Come on now, man. Is he not a cone from time to time?

And two separate playoff friends. Have you not seen Lucas at least be a cone? What have you seen from Russell Westbrook in the playoffs? You've seen him be a lot of things. That's why I put him. And sometimes you're the problem. They both are problems sometimes. Yeah, but

Lucas problem is solvable. You can't solve Westbrook. Is it solved? Yes. Well, not even that. Lucas problem comes with a lot of good. When Russ has been the problem, there wasn't a lot of good,

and that's why it's the problem. Luca has pros and cons like everybody does, but the pros typically outweigh the cons by quite a fucking lot. Typically. So the words sometimes. Every time the playoffs, they have. If you want to say at the beginning of this year

or last year when he's out of shape, I don't know, but like, If 2024, again, the only year he could have won a championship, the pro is far outweighed the cons. I'd say. I think sometimes it's actually extremely accurate. Here's the dark part. Anybody can go to sometimes. Everybody's had a bad playoff series.

I just think with what we've seen from Russ from time to time, he just got to be alone. That's why I've been put too. He just has to be alone. If Hardin's unique in history, so is Russell Westwood. Yeah, like you've never seen a superstar like Russ ever in your life and you will never see it again. That is true. Love them, right?

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