The Deep 3 Podcast - Predicting Everything That Will Happen This NBA Season | Ep. 59

Episode Date: October 20, 2023

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This is going to be such a long episode. You see the title. We're predicting everything that's going to happen in the 2024 NBA season. And what that means is we're going to give you our Western Conference Standing Previews, 1-215, our Eastern Conference Standing Previews, 1 through 15, and every single NBA Award prediction. It's going to be a lot. You're welcome. You're welcome.

This is everything that we can think of before the season starts next week. You're welcome. Because this is a lot. You're back into one episode, mega episode. Yes. Exactly. Crayon Eaters, this is for you. But before we start this episode,

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give us five stars, a review, all that. Help us move up the charts. Yeah, man, let's waste no time. Like I said, we have a whole. whole lot of shit to talk about. Let's get straight into it. I think we should start with the Western Conference. I want to go first. You know what? Donovan, embarrass yourself first. Go ahead. Embarrass my time. First of all. What is your 12? And I'll do it.

Come on now. Come on now. Listen, we're getting off hate. Anyways, I'm going to start from bottom up. From 15 to 11. 15, Portland Trailblazers. 14. Utah Jazz.

Okay. 13. Houston Rockets. Okay. 12. The New Orleans Pelicans. And 11. The San Antonio Spurs.

Oh, my. Oh, my. Oh, man. Okay. We today, before we got on today, we saw a video Wemby, nutmegging Reggie Bullock. We said last week, everything that he was doing on defense, it's like, listen, he might be instantly one of the best defenders in the league. He's seven-four nutmegging guards?

You can't stop, but he is a once-in-a-lifetime player that, like, what, listen, if he can't, if he can do everything else on the floor, why can't he lead the Spurs to the 11th seat? Listen, the 11th isn't a high bar, so I suppose that's fair. That's all I'm asking. So, yeah, I'm, no, I'm all in. I love that this nutmeg happened right before we started. Did this influence your decision making? A little bit.

I'm not going to lie. They moved up, they moved up a spot. Like, this was the tiebreaker. Nutmeg the tiebreaker. I love it. Interesting. So obviously the standout there is you have the Pelicans out of the playoffs, which is. Oh, yeah, no.

They're cooked. I mean, we know why. It's not an extremely hot take. There's going to, look, someone, there's going to be a hot take in the Western Conference because some team, legit, all these teams, if they were in the Eastern Conference, went through, let's say, 11 or whatever, they're probably the playoffs teams. Absolutely. But because of how stacked it is.

For 10 spots, like each of us is going to have one team out of there that we're like, really, I think they can make the playoffs. Exactly. But because of the atmosphere that they're in, they're not going to, bro. So, I don't know what to think of your list, Donovan, other than, okay, you think Wembe is like that. But sadly, I don't think the rest of the San Antonio Spurs will follow up with his greatness. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.

I don't need them. I don't need them to be in the playing. I don't need them. Like, they might be six games out of the playing, right? Yeah. They are still going to be, quote unquote, fun, right? and Wemby is going to vault them instantly

into one of like the top seven league pass teams in the entire association. Their defense is going to get better. We'll see what, you know, what Viselle can do this year. Another leap that he takes.

We'll see what Jeremy Sohan can do. I just, once you get into like this lottery era, I just want to have fun, right and like the only the only team that I really have a lot of concerns about is the pelicans if you want to put them at 11 okay cool fine like I don't I'm not I'm not pressed about that but I do think that like New Orleans has a serious problem Zion's health and I just we've seen it through four years of his career now where he's not going to play 50% of the games and at this point I'm going

to bank on that's going to happen again there's no reason for me to think that this is the year where He's actually healthy. Yeah, I get that. I think we're all good. I feel like we're all going to have a different team. Like, there's a consensus top 11 teams. I feel like we're all going to have a different one miss it. For you as the Pelicans.

We'll talk about it more once we reveal ours. Mo, you can go next. Yeah, 11 is clearly the upset team. Yeah, I'm going to embarrass myself. Not as bad as you, though. So at 15, I have the San Antonio Spurs. I think they have the worst roster with the worst amount of vets on this team. A whole lot of young.

guys and I think it's as I look I love I love no you don't I love their team but I just don't think that they're ready I just don't think that they're ready just yet you know I'm saying and all the Wembe's a fucking unicorn like there's Kelden Johnson over there who still has to figure out his role they have this is a whole lot that I can dive into but I'm not going to so 14 I have the Portland Trailblazers 13 the Houston Rockets 12 the Utah Jazz they didn't improve at all 11 drum roll And 11 I have the Dallas Mavericks

I almost Okay so we do all have a different team Missing the play in Beautiful I almost went with the Mavs I certainly was never going to pick the Pelicans I almost want the Mavs

You want to give us a quick reason why Okay so first and foremost The Dallas Mavericks have By far in a way The worst front court In the entire Western Conference How is Derek lively Supposed to deal with Yokic

AD KD KD D and Nurkich, who's not a big name, but he's a big body. You have Zion. The names here are ridiculous, and you're relying on a rookie to be your backline defense, along with Maxie Kleber or whatever. They've been doing that for the last three feels like four years now. You know what I'm saying? And there's only so much that Kyrie and Luca can do.

But in the game of basketball, there's like another half of the game that they have to play, and I don't think they're going to live up to those levels. And also, Jason Kidd, every maverton hates them. So it's like, how can you believe in that? Yeah, I understand. So I didn't go with the Mavs or the Pelicans. I'll reveal my next five and then we can discuss all these teams because clearly we'll know a good amount about our teams

based on this tier. 15, I have the Blazers. 14, I have the Jazz. Not because I think they're the second worst team in the conference. I think they're going to tank because their pick is top 10 protected, which is probably why all of us have them outside of the play in as a easy. choice. At 12

I have the Spurs. Did I say 13? No, 13's the Rockets. 12 was the Spurs. And 11 is the Minnesota Timberwolves. Oh, man. Wow. I had to abandon the Ant Man hype.

I know everybody has a crush on him right now. I still think, listen, we all give a lot of people with the consensus pick has been like the Timberwolves will be sneaky good, be on a lookout for them to be a top six team. And I think a lot of that is because one, we want to buy into the Ant

hype. Two people want to think listen last year was their first year together they were in disarray the pieces didn't fit together they're bound to look better with more time to gel which is perfectly sound logic for 99% of the teams but I think no matter what the issues we saw with car lengthy towns and Rudy Gobert making

not a lick of fucking sense together is not going to go away overnight just because Anthony Edwards has a better off the dribble jumper so it was between that if I'm going to have to bet against Luca Donchich or the worst fitting front court I've ever seen in my life I'm going to lean towards Luke Donchish to make the plan?

I like this. This is growth from Isaac. Because all last off season, Isaac gaslit himself into thinking that the Timberwolves were going to be good. And like, he knew from the jump that they weren't. And he was like, like it could probably work.

And now he's come around. He sees the light. I like this from this. I learn from my fucking mistakes. That's interesting. I like it. And it makes sense. And like you said,

there's going to be a team for everybody who has their 1 through 15 standing where like somebody's going to miss and I think for me it also came down to what you mentioned like I just don't want to bet against Luca in a regular season context like there's so many things that can go wrong and if we're talking about 802 games

who's going to be the best player on the floor he's going to be that in 70 what in 76 of those games like yeah so yeah and we've seen him drag like Mo is right their front court depth is fucking and horrific. Derek Lively and Grant Williams is not inspiring. The second string is

even less inspiring. You got to rely on Dwight, Powell, and Maxi Klebo like they have been for years. But we see Luca drag that to the playoffs. Like, his teams in the past have not been impressive. The first half of last year, they were a playing team before they trade for Kyrie. Team was not impressive. So, like, we've seen a world where he can

become a playing team with a bunch of bullshit around him. I think he can do it again with Kyrie by his side. Oh, man. And, right, like, I can, I 100% agree with you. I just don't think this is the year for that. And I honestly think that the Mavericks as a whole will probably be over. Also, shameless plug on my main channel, my next next video is going to be about Luca Donchix and the Dallas Mavericks, but I'll be dropping a brand new video

on Saturday. Shameless bug. Anyways, I think that because of how good Luca Donchich is, there's only like a few NBA players in history who's ever had this issue. They're like the ultimate floor floor riser you know what I'm saying Luca Dungeons is that and they the Dallas Mavericks never had a chance to get that second natural homegrown star option they kind of did but because of the whole

Chris House Brazilian situation also they just made a whole lot of stupid ass decisions on a consistent basis they completely fumbled their future but yeah they fumbled their future and now like Kyrie Irving is a big part of this equation and I feel like he'll probably put his he's definitely

going to put his best foot forward and try to revamp all the you know what I'm saying the respect that he lost to people at ESPN or whatever way you want to paint it and I think he's going to have a hell of a season but the depth for me is like the biggest issue and I think the team like the Minnesota Timberwolves they're going to get just enough from everybody else around them and if Anthony Edwards is legit going to take that next step there's no way possible that this team does not make the NBA play or does not make the playing at least yeah I think I would agree so you think I think the Timberwolves will probably be in the play in because realistically one of these top 10 teams is going to have an injury

issue that probably takes them out if I'm I can't account for that you know you never know who's going to get hurt so I try to go into it with almost blank slate with injuries if anybody's already injured or dealing with something sure you account for that but there's no way to know who's going to be the team that gets fucked over by injuries for all we know might be the clippers might be the thunder who knows maybe Shay misses 50 games so I the Timber rules are very clearly a playing caliber team most years would be top eight for sure I think it's just this year man 11 teams legitimately deserve to be in the top 10. There's no way to take somebody out

and not feel like they should be in the playoffs. None of these are bad takes, and I think we can move on to the next section. Yeah. Okay, we'll snake draft this motherfucker. I'll go next. At 10, I have Dallas Mavericks. They were very close to being 11 for me.

Really last second, I put Timberl was on here like an hour before we started. But I agree with you with the Mavs issues for the most part. At 9, I have the Clippers. at 8 I have the thunder And at 7 I have the Pelicans You Okay

You're expecting a lot So you think that Zion's going to be healthy Yeah so I just We were talking about this a little bit beforehand Yes Zion gets hurt a lot Obviously he's like Has been We've had the worst case scenario

When it comes to his health In the first four years of his career I just don't feel I don't know how to go about that When I'm making these predictions Like it feels cynical to just be like Oh yep we'll misfit the games again I'm like I get it I get why you did that he's done it every year it's it's a good chance

it'll happen again logically it checks out I just don't find that interesting when I'm talking about these teams stacking them up against each other like I said somebody will get hurt there's no way to predict that I don't really care to be like it but it'll be him again you know what I I get that and listen you were I'll give you problems right here you were right in your take on Anthony Davis because I was very hard for for a couple years on Anthony Davis, right? And I was, or, yeah, I was hard on Anthony Davis because of all the injury stuff. And you're like, look, like, they're just freak injuries that are happening. And I was trying to say that he's injury prone. You were right there. I feel it's the opposite case with Zion,

though, where it's not, it's not freak injuries. These are things that are like, that are consistent injuries. They happen very often. And when he hasn't been able to play 60% of the games in his entire NBA career. That's something where you can you can account for that more than somebody falling on AD's knee and yeah, I get that some type of games. Wow. Yeah, that's like same thing like LeBron last year. His injuries are pretty freak. Somebody don't want his knee. I don't blame him. Zions are clearly related to his body type and the wear and tear on his knees I get. Also, though, we finally heard for the first time from people in that organization that he's taking his body series to this year and it's coming in shape and is like being a professional. And to the point where

they were very candid that before he wasn't doing that like they threw him one of the bus for being a fucking doofist for four years so if I had to latch on to something it would be that that maybe now after four years of failure he finally realizes that he needs to stop eating so many bignets dude random ass side note

but a couple of months ago long story but I shared an Uber with this random ass white dude who went to Duke and he was he graduated I think the same year that Zion Williamson or I think he was he was in the Zion Williamson era just know that and he was a ballboy for that team and obviously like

he told me this information I'm not over here like running with the sources because what hell is this random and why would I take his word for like Bible law not doing it you know what I'm saying but he was like literally everybody in that entire Duke basketball staff knew that this dude was a slouch and he didn't do what he was supposed to do off the court stretching all that shit and I'm like yeah maybe he was in line you know what makes sense everybody says it and there's so reports and everybody there's wists if there's tons of whispers that are unanimously saying a guy's character is this way most of the time it's the truth very rarely are those reports awry you know what mean yeah okay but it sounds like he's turning around so i'm gonna choose to have faith in him if he gets

heard again obviously i'm not going to be surprised yeah he's he's gonna have to show me he's got to show me before i put him up there um all right i'll go with my playing teams at 10 i'm with you i have the Mavericks right there right there at the edge and that's just that's just respect to Luca at nine I have the Timberwolves at eight I have the clippers and at seven I have the thunder so that's that's it I wanted to put the thunder higher I'm very very high on them this season I think that they're going to be really good but in in reality like if you look at the standings from last year they won 40 games last year and let me pull this up yeah so they won 40 games games and the six seed was the Warriors at 44 and 38 like do I really think that the

thunder are going to win five six more games like that's a big jump right to go from a sub five hundred to like six seven games more in a crowded Western conference and it's like yeah that's just a young part is important part to me yeah there's just so young chet's going to like he's going to have to take time to develop so I'll keep them in the plane but I wouldn't be shocked if they made it higher but I'm really high on them but yes that's what that's what I have though I mean it's interesting to see what moat things about them because I think a lot of people the popular choice for the elite team is them and I agree but like you said when you actually write down the teams there's a lot of proven teams already it's hard to throw the pelicans and like

I mean it's hard to throw the thunder like the top five already yeah exactly I see a lot of people doing that a lot of people saying oh shego was Alexander MVP year and I can't agree with that because that's if he does that he has to to either put up stupid numbers and they have to be a least a four seed or it's not happening point blank period you know yeah and because of that that number go ahead

you only average 30 last year I think the part that he could do that if he does the same thing again but they're a top four seed like you said like I don't think he has put up stupid numbers in terms of like something we've never seen before but if he once again averages 31.4 points on 51% from the field I think he could probably be in those convos

it's all about wins for them though if he has to average 30 some points again this season after you have someone like chet homegrown back who's uh coming back for his rookie year for real and then i am expecting everyone expects a j dub type of leap then that team is not like that team is not elevating as much and he's not going to be in those conversations you're right they shouldn't be reliant on him with all those ball handlers yeah they're they're definitely they're definitely cooked if that's the case and plus josh giddy oh my gosh i'm a fan of his game after hitting on him so hard last year but anyways at number 10 i did for sure i hated on him last

episode two. I said that he's the modern day Bob Coosie. Didn't have a hesitation to memory. Why did I say that? I didn't even mean it. Yeah, shout out of giddy. So at number 10. I'd love to have Josh Giddy on the pod. That'd be a great guest. Bro, I need to know about his hair products. It's not for me. I just want to know. But at number 10, I have the Minnesota Timberwolves. Okay. At number nine, I hate to say it, but the Sacramento Kings, I was the only believer on this podcast for them last season dead ass I told y'all I would be a sacrament O'Kings fan y'all laughed at me but here I am again

putting them in number nine wow okay I know at number eight I have O KC at number seven I have just like you Isaac the pelicans okay so you have clippers top six okay y'all would be tricked so you're also believing in the pelicans health and just choosing not to assume is I'm gonna die again yeah exactly if something did happen in Zion still too this team is still like very much

in the water and like Zahn out of this construct this is still a very good team now I do have to take into consideration they're missing Trey Murphy for I think the entire season or maybe he'll be returning towards the no no very end of the same it won't be the entire season nothing crazy like that

yeah I think he I think he towards meniscus or something like that right or is he I don't know it's a it's a meniscus tear it's not going to be the it's not going to be the entire season but he is going to miss a substantial like start to the season though and that hurts because he's a big part of the spacing that they have or not the spacing issues that they have there and 10 to 12 weeks will be up yeah that kind of sucks that hurts but they have a lot they loki like have a lot of injuries even aside from Zion because like her Jones is also dealing

with something avarado's dealing with something they have like yeah they have a lot of rotation guys that like at least to start the season they might be very very thin yeah for sure they are Trey murphy will be back around Thanksgiving time the other guys should be like first month the season will be back so hopefully that won't be an issue but one more injury it very well could be there uh they have a lot of players on the team who can keep an offense alive that being Cidgen McCollum of course Zion B.I and yonis valentunus he's just a versatile big guy who does a lot of outdated stuff But he's updating his game as we speak over the last few years.

He's done that at least. And that kind of like goes. That's like a strength of theirs. But at the same time, it's like a weakness because someone like Jonas does 100% fit next to Zahn. And I think they have a good case of too many cooks in the kitchen. And if I just don't expect them to be that bad to be honest with you. I think their depth and all the people who can keep them afloat will sort of prevail this season. I agree. When we saw them healthy last year, they were fighting for the one seed.

People like to say, like, they were the one seed, but like a lot of people were the one seed at some point. It was like, you know, so early in the year, it wasn't like a real they were the one seed. But they were clearly in the mix for among the best of the top six teams, at least in the regular season. So that alone makes me think that they have, they obviously have the ceiling, right? It literally just comes down to, is Zion healthy? If he's not healthy, are the rest of the pieces around to fill in? Like, when you would have a team that has this type of ceiling, I can't keep him out of the play in. agreed

when you're okay we're not okay we don't have to go back and forth yeah I get it I get it fundamental yeah I'm gonna talk

about the kings and you have nine we'll wait until we see where we have them but kings are an interesting one this year yeah

dude yeah okay I let you guys yeah continue okay here's my top six it's on you though it's on you mo for your top six oh yeah we're snaking

you're right so give us you're right let's break the snake though because he has the kings at nine let's let's get us

to reveal first so that we can do the king's thing there you go I love it okay I'll go first at six I have the Memphis Grizzlies at five I have the Kings I'm wondering if I have the highest of all of us

we'll see at four I have the Warriors three the Lakers two of the Suns and one the Nuggets ooh okay I feel it's pretty chalk I don't think this is that controversial okay let's let me talk about it

Madonna you give you six okay at six I have the Kings at five I had the Warriors At four I have the Sons Three I have the Grizzlies Two I have the Lakers And one I have the Nuggets I thought it was gonna be unanimous

With the ranges I was wrong This is very different Okay The Grizzlies at three is fucking outrageous But for what Ty's Jones is walking through those doors Ty's Jones just walking through those doors They don't have the floor

I was gonna put them high too But then I thought about it the reason two years ago they were able to be so good with jaw out I think is because they had ties Jones who just can keep the game of flow and be organizational Marcus smart's there but he's not that type of point guard so I have I think they're going to be closer to what we saw last year when they were about 500 with with jog on and I think that slowish start

will they won't be to be top three yeah exactly I think ties Jones is the type of point guard to he's he's a starter quality point guard he doesn't deserve to be on the bench but big whoop he's playing behind John Moran so he has to stick his ass there and I think a lot of I think the Memphis Grizzlies are going to feel that for the first 25 games now yes they do have Marcus Smart who is a point guard and has some playmaking to him but he's not like Isaac said they're clearly not the same type of players whatsoever they do have Desmond Bain who has proven to be an underrated playmaker's as he's been in college and he's developed a school all the way up today and he's reliable for sure but there's just a lot missing they don't have that same

penetrator or orchestrator that can control the flow of the game on a consistent basis you know and on top of that they're suffering through injuries like brandon clark he's a big part of the bench he's going to be out for the entirety of the season i believe because he tore his ACL you know so it's like i can't put them that high and then you have to also include john moran's going to be on for 25 games jaren jacks you're consistent consistently has filed trouble issues. I think they're going to, I think they're playoff worthy, playoff bound for sure, but top three bound when you have someone like the sons and then the warriors and of course the Kings two or whatever. Like, I just don't see it for them.

Tell me, okay, tell me, tell me this, tell me this about, about the Grizzlies, right? And we talked about this early last season. When Jha was there and Jaron Jackson Jr. wasn't, they were still mid. They were fighting around 500 because their entire defensive personality and persona was out the window because Jaron Jackson wasn't there. If he's there and you're still able to play the type of defense that you are and we've known that for the last two years, they're better on defense without Jod than they are with him, right? Obviously, the

overall team thing is different, but defensively, they are better without Jop. And now you are putting Marcus Smart in there. You don't think that for 25 games they can go 13 and 12? Like if they're right, if they're right there, okay. So I think I think they can maintain the pace that they were last year. And then once your job comes back, they're going to be just fine. And if him and Jerry Jackson are there, they can go on the runs like they always do over the last two years.

And then you look up and it's like, oh, wow, this team is winning 50 games. Oh, wow. For the past two years, even with all the job stuff at the end of the season, you look up, they're the two seat at the end of the day. Like they are as consistent in the regular season as you want. And so, like, I think as for all the flaws that Marcus Smart has, he's still a veteran who plays great defense and fits into their culture. Defense a player at a year. Talk it. You know, Mickey Mouse.

But like, yeah. But like, they're going to be able to play defense, especially at the start of the season when everybody's still getting into their rhythm. They're going to be able to steal games like that. Yeah, but I mean, defense obviously is an issue. Nobody, nobody doubts their defensive capabilities without jaw. I agree. They'll be better defensively without them. Jaws clearly not a positive in any way defensively.

But it's the other side of the court. I think if they start 500 or so for 25 games, that's probably not going to be enough for them to make that top push. Strictly because I think it's about how much stronger the West is this year. We got a full season of Lakers, how they looked post-all-star break last year. That's going to make them a better team. The sons are obviously going to be a better team. The sons are going to be great.

I said, you have them lower. We'll talk about that a little bit. I think the Warriors last year they were lower because of health reasons Andrew Wiggins was gone for like the entire season we assume that won't be an issue now the Kings are a wins machine in the regular season like it's just about

the teams above them have gotten so much better that it's hard for me to believe that losing some of that playmaking that they had last year they don't have the guy to replace John anymore that they'll be able to replicate what they did last year yeah exactly and there's like it's

it's the offense for me that I don't see them getting enough of early in that 25 game stretch now maybe there is a chance that they do go 13 and 12 or somewhere around that's all i'm asking all i'm asking is for 500 bats that's it because even last year that that's all i'm asking because once job comes back they had three months last year in December they went 10 and 4 in January they went 10 and 5 and then in march they went 12 and 5 before all the job stuff was going on so like they they can turn it on and they can they're this team where like they can have these streets where again you look up after two weeks

and it's like hey the Grizzav won seven in a row like should we probably be paying more attention to you're right yeah I want to put them the high too I respect it it's just like you're the suns below them I think the suns are going to be absolutely incredible I think they'll be fantastic that's it's optics for me

it's optics for me too something also that I want to say about the Memphis disease Zaire Williams he needs to ball out this season because they're going to rely on him a lot as well because they're thin in general because of all the absences and all the natural nicks and knacks are going to happen with that team throughout the 25 games like every like every NBA team he's just someone who was a lottery pick I believe just a few years ago this is the

year for him to go ahead and finally fill in those shoes and solidify himself as the starter his rookie year I believe he played extremely real second year and I think this is third year in the league now and it's time for him to you know fill in those shoes. choose real um i give you your next six mo don't know let's say i mean oh i can't say i'm saying everybody's name mo's who your six it's because i'm black and i look like exactly exactly lines are uh these allegations popping up again you're never being what of it relax relax relax he stood on business oh my god on racism like Standing on racism is crazy

He's still on racism Most leaves give you top six That's crazy Why did he said something crazy again He's still on race All right All right All right

At number six I have the Memphis Grizzlies At number five I have the Los Angeles Clippers Number four The Phoenix Suns Number three the Warriors, two, the Lakers, and won the Nuggets.

Okay, interesting. Look at that. Okay, let's go team by teams. We talked about most of these teams so far. Kings, I have them the highest, which is hilarious, because last year I was the biggest hater. I spent all off-season saying that they're not a playoff threat that Demandis a bonus is a fraud.

I had them in the highest, though. I don't, what do you all see that? Why do you think they were going to regress? Like, they're just so fucking good at regular season basketball. My main thing for them is that, okay, We've seen plenty of times before where teams come out of nowhere and they shock the entire NBA. They're the lover boy, the entire NBA, you know? But after a full season of tape, things are not going to be as easy for them anymore.

And also, double down on that. They did not improve their roster in the slightest way. All that they're relying on is self-improvement from all of their young players being someone like Keegan Murray, whatever they believe he can be. I think he's going to be a good player, but I don't know if he's going to be great. you know, Darren Fox Does he have another level Isaac, you the other day said

that you don't think he has another level You don't think he has another gear To put him in any upper echelon You know what I'm saying? So what about this team Will put them over the top When everybody else, you know I don't think they will be put over the top

I put them at the 5C not the one Like I don't have them getting better Y'all just have them getting way worse And I feel like they'll be like relatively the same It's not them getting worse Is everybody else getting better in my opinion. Yeah, but you got a nine.

Okay, look, it's that. It's the fact that, like, they haven't made any real improvements. Two, the other teams have gotten much, but, like, the teams I'm putting above them is, is that good. They were, they were very, very lucky in terms of injury, in terms of, like, injury luck last year. Nobody really got hurt.

And also, they were one of the worst defenses in the X, in the NBA all last season. Out of everybody who had a bottom 10 defense. last year. They were the only team with a winning record. I think that if they come out again with the same defensive personnel that they had last season and they're relatively the same, they're going to struggle to win games. And at the same time, like, there's no, you can't be a bottom 10 defense. Like, unless you have Kevin Durant, Devin Booker, Bradley Beal, that that big three is very different than Deeran Fox, Sabonis, Kavon, Herder, and doing all that stuff.

But we saw him do it for 82 games Like it's not a small sample size It wasn't a Lensity run I think I should just different now I think what is different What can the what was not sustainable about that They didn't shoot crazy from three They didn't get lucky in close games

They are just a really great offensive team That consistently puts up a lot of points The defense The only defenses that were worse than them Last last year Wait this this was in the clutch Let me get it The only defense that was worse than them

all season long were the Dallas Mavericks, the Pacers, the Paisers, the Spurs, all of them all of them outside of the Rockets were picking in the top seven of the draft. If you have a defense that is that bad, you're going to lose games year over year. Like, I think it's unsustainable. What change from last year? I think you have not improved at all. I think it's unsustainable to ask them, to ask a team to have a bad defense and win close to 50 games that's a lot but you're not we're not asking them to get better you're saying

they didn't improve it all i'm not saying they improved either if they improved they're the one seed you're looking at the wrong thing here isaac is not about what how did they get worse it's about how did everyone else get better and they just the issue is them being stagnant you know what i didn't expect them really expect them to go ahead and do hell of things but i i think that simple common sense every people are going to snuff out a lot of those schemes kevin heard went crazy and I still expect them to go crazy because when you have that type of... I know exactly

and when you have teams we get what you're trying to say but when you have teams like you can only get away with so much and be able to win with all the other teams that I have above them and also with you two Donovan with some of the teams that you have above them I just don't think that they have much room to snuff out those excuses

you know what I'm saying? Yeah I get it's like there's no room for being I have them dropping two seats as well I just think dropping them to like nine is crazy because sure other teams got better there's not six teams I got that much better they're going to leap them like that's such a tremendous drop and I don't think anything they did was unsustainable

it was very fundamental they pushed the pace they had an elite pick and roll because the Montesabonis is great in the short role they did a lot of that stuff playing to him as a passer in the high post like it's not gimmicky to where people can just like figure it out you know like they can't just like flip a switch offensively you're right you think you again if you have a

bottom seven defense in the league that's a problem okay are they going to be worse defensively last year we already saw them have a bottom seven defense and still win those games we know it's possible do you think that having a bottom seven defense year in and year out is sustainable for winning 50 games a year do you think once again have a top three offense do you think no no yes you think if you have a top three offense we saw them do it they could do that same shit they did last year there's plenty of teams there's plenty of teams that have had a top three offense and a bottom 10 defense and they're not winning 50 games a year and I think that that is a lot once and I don't I think I think that is too much to ask of them to do back to back years and to build your entire regular season 82 games yeah we're just not going to play defense and we're going to win 50 games unless you have like high end scoring like we're talking about like LeBron or katie or something like that and listen again shout out to the errand clubs player at the year they're high in scoring again Clutch player of the year.

Also, that, that, like, regression, I'm also expecting that as well. You were great in clutch situations. Teams that are, like, really, really good one year, you tend to regress just a little bit, right? So how many... That's the best argument. Right. So how many... Clutch, that it makes sense.

The clutch regression is better than... It's better than a bottom 10 defense? Yes, because there's no reason... The bottom of seven... They were already at their defensive floor last year. It's not going to get worse than it was last year. If something was already as bad as it was, there's no reason to expect... If you don't, you don't think their offense is going to regress.

Nobody said that. If that's the case, listen, if they're giving up 112 points a game, that's a lot. But they're scoring 115. And if you think they can still score 115, there's no reason to harp on the defense. When we already saw that they can do that over 82 games. See, my point, though. Go ahead. Real quick, one thing, one thing.

First of all, you have them at five. I have them at six. I don't know why I'm getting this upset. I have that shit right here. This is what about you. You just took this shit, bro. My thing is that You're arguing for the love of the game

You love the shit Exactly, bro. This is my thing, bro. My thing with them Is that Yes, I think their offense Is not going to drop off From hell or anything like that.

They can maintain the same amount I think they throw up like 1-17 or something crazy Like that last season. My thing is, I know the Boston Celtics Will surpass that. I know the team like the Phoenix Suns

will surpass that. surpass that. So there's no way in my mind that they're going to be superior offensive teams. I don't think they're going to be number one. It's simply because of how much better everyone else got. I'm not thinking about them getting worse. I'm just thinking about everybody else getting better. I'm forward

thinking, you know? Yeah, I mean, it doesn't matter if they're actually won in the rankings. They don't play the Boston Celtics every night, so like it's not that important. That's true. And it's a self-s come out, scoring 117 a game. Good for them. No bearing on the Kings. That is true. But they do have to face someone like the Phoenix Suns and

When it comes for bucket for bucket, they're not winning that game. Nuggets, they're not winning that game. Lakers with Austin Rees are part of that big three. They're not winning that game. The Golden State Wars, you saw that series last year. They're not winning that, bro. And once the Memphis Grizzies get John Morant back, bro, we know who's winning that series. You know what I'm saying?

Or not that series, but in the standing. So it's like there's too many, there's too many teams that improve so much. I get it. I get it to just stay the same. I agree in principle. I just didn't move down as much. you just like other teams in the middle more than I do, I guess, which is fine.

If they end up being a game behind the thunder whichever where that stands, I won't be that surprised. So it's fine. In principle, I agree. They'll drop off a little bit. We're on the same page. Yeah.

Glad we can dab it up at the end. Yeah, man. We all agree the Warriors are going to be really good to varying degrees. You guys think the suns are at four. I put them at two because I think they're going to be fucking ridiculously good. I think we saw in the preseason so far.

When those three guys are on the court, they're going to be on guard. They're going to be incredible. We'll see in a playoff setting, but regular season, amazing. I kind of want to put them at three or possibly top two because I have a feeling that the Devin Booker MVP propaganda will be heavily pushed. But, you know, I just feel like the Lakers will be better. I have personal propaganda that I'm going to be pushing when it comes to LeBron being

the oldest MVP ever. But with the Phoenix Suns, I feel like a lot of people, oh, trust me, you're going to see me. Follow us on Twitter. But I think the Phoenix, a lot of people are underrating how, I don't want to say deep the Phoenix Suns are, but they have actual players who can get in the mud with them. Nazir Little is fucking good. Grayson Allen, a lot of people think he's a dickwad, okay? That's me. I'm those people.

But he's a good player who produces something on the court. That something could be hitting a three or that something could be knocking off your favorite player's head. It's something that's positive in whatever a lot you're going to put it. You know, Josh Okie is a good player. And Yusuf Nurkitts, he's a good connector-ish. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, I like that team a lot. Yeah.

All right, guys. Are you guys ready to move on to the East? Yeah, let's do it. Let's do it. We spent a bunch of time on the West. It's going to be a long episode. Let's let's move on. I don't regret it whatsoever.

That was good. I can't believe I got in a fucking tirade defending the Kings who I have never once believed in. The five Cs. the definition of like mid when we talk about like playoff seedings right in the middle. I was arguing like I have them at one. All right. I'll do my bottom five teams first. The 11 seed, I got the Bulls.

Okay. 12 seed, the nets. 13 raptors. 14 pistons. 15 wizards. Trash. I love it. Now that I'm looking at this,

I feel weird putting the wizard at the bottom. bottom because I think they'll be competent I don't know like maybe not maybe they won't be I don't really know how to I don't know how to parse these bottom teams from each other they're all kind of trash yeah that's that's fair though that's no swap at 15 pistons at 15 wizards are 14 yeah I have the pissons at 15 too I think they just have more established players and I think that's the right way to go cuzma he's not absolute garbage then he of Dia is a great player in Ozvie, Jordan Poole, it's going to do some special things.

Then I'd be a Cade leap comes in a good role player. I see a Cade and Ivy leap coming too, though, so I don't know. That is true. If the Pissons is the worst team to league again, at like four years in a row, that's a problem. Something has gone wrong. Something has gone seriously wrong, yeah. No, no, I stand on it. Wizards are last Pistons are 14.

I got to stand on that. Yeah, that's true. Okay. Standing on Detroit is not what you want to do at this point in time. I don't know. I like Cade. I like Ivy. Sorry.

is dope. Honestly, I'm on something that I have like a minor gripe on is that you have the Nets at 12 with how Ben Simmons has been playing

and listen, it's preseason. If he tricked me, fuck it, he tricked me. But he looks a lot better. And with the type of player that we all know he can be,

if he continues to do what he's been doing, then I just don't see a way in which they're the one of the like four worst teams in the Eastern Conference, five worst teams in the Eastern Conference Put them at 11 I don't really care

I just okay Same thing with the Bulls The Bulls are just like so competent Like they have like enough star power To be like a decent enough team And we'll see the team And also there's three teams above them In these top 10 that are young teams

That I think are going to make a leap And I just don't think the Nets have a ton of juice Even if Ben Simmons is back He's really good But you know there's no Joelle Embed there McHale Bridges is your go-to score I guess Cam Thomas

I mean, Cam Johnson's a good third best player. I guess you're not getting scoring from Nick Claxton. Dinwiddie has a two guard. I guess. My thing is the defense is that crazy and Ben Simmons is going to help. I guess. The defense is great. The defense is great.

I hate that I'm saying this. I'm not talking about this anymore. Now tell me the defensive pieces on the bench. Name me one good defensive piece on that bench. No, my DFS. Name me two. Yeah, okay. I'm done.

Oh, what's his name? Dennis Smith, Jr. okay cool there you go there you have a couple more defensive pieces that bring nothing on offense I love it okay I'm done talking about the Nets what's your bottom five Donovan alright I have Detroit at 15

at Washington at 14 I have Toronto at 13 I have Chicago at 12 and then I have Brooklyn at 11 okay so very very similar yeah nice okay okay let me go ahead at 11 I have the Chicago Bulls at 12 I have the Toronto Raptors 13 the Hornets oh I hate that I know at 14 I have the Wizards and at 15 I have the pistons damn yeah I have the hornets in my top 10

clearly and I see Donovan those two I probably have them the highest I think the hornets are gonna be good no I think man I agree I agree I think they're probably we probably have them in in the same spot. I think like a lot of people are underrating them. And like they're getting a lot of pieces back. They're getting little they're getting lamella ball back. Fucker you convinced me already. Let's go ahead and put the never let's go ahead and put the nets at number 10.

My bad. The nets at number 11. And then I want to put the Hornet at 10. You convince me. You already won Donovan. Great. All I said was the getting lamella ball back. And he's like, okay, they're in the plate.

You're a glazer. You sold me. You're fucking crayon eater. You hear the word lamello and you're just like drooling, fucking foaming at the mouth. I'm just thinking about the leap that they'll take. And I'm thinking about how they were not a complete trash-ass team without lamello and they had signs of life. And Lemel just got all those gaps. So that's what got to me.

Listen, the year before last, they were a playing team and they're bringing back basically the exact same core plus Brandon Miller. For sadly, Miles Bridge is going to be there and that's going to make them a better team. I don't see why they wouldn't be in that playing race again, barring. injury. Yeah, that's true. And I think when Mello was like up to birth Trey is one of the most underrated players in a league now because people are so quick to say he's overrated because he's flashy and popular. It's like, it's easy

as fuck to say he's overrated. He's not. He's very underrated at this point. I agree. I agree. And listen, I may have been a part of that propaganda that's been making him, you know, underrated. But I'm back on the train now. I'm back on. May have. Let's go. He has faults. He has false. I think Toronto fans will be very pissed

about this because they think they're going to be good still because Toronto fans are very diehard I just feel like we have to hit a point where it's going to malfunction and blow up and I think their pick they traded that pick this year so they're not going to tank but I think it's also top something protected

I don't remember what Either way, listen this is a mid-team that has been fighting to get points out the mud for the last two years they are One-six protected Okay great Somebody's getting traded

as well. Like, this has, this has to be the year where Messiah, like, they should have did it last year and then they went out and made the, the Yakub trade. And it's like, do you guys show you want to be buyers right now? Like, you probably could have gotten a pretty good lottery piece. So, yeah, they're done. Last year, this is the end of it. Last year, I had a prediction and it was actually 100% right, brought on myself for that because most of my predictions are wild misses. I said that Damien later was going to get trade in the off season. It happened. And I think the next disgruntal start that's going to get traded immediately will be Pascal Seacum. I think that they'll see that, you know, I'm saying, none of this shit works.

Dennis Ord is a good player before what this team needs. He doesn't necessarily match whatsoever. And I think they're going to, my side is finally going to get out of his nasty ways that he's been in over the last few seasons and try to move on to the next chapter and stop doing Scotty Barnes a disservice. I don't think Scotty Barnes necessarily will be like a. Star or anything like that But I do think he'll probably be a good player

But regards to the fact He'll achieve neither of those things If Pascal Seacom is still a part of that recipe And that entire plan So I think this is a season that they go and Finally decide to tank Yeah, that makes sense All right, you know, we're going to move on to these playing teams

We're flying through these bottom half of the east It's not interesting Yeah, let's do it Playing At 10, I have the Miami Heat At 9, I have the Charlotte Hornets okay oh wow the Orlando magic seven Indiana Pacers well okay okay sounds sounds good we're kind of we're kind of flipped I have I have the Hornets at 10 I have

Miami at nine I have Orlando at eight and I have Indiana at seven okay look at us in you see you're seeing the vision you see the vision wow I wow I'm so happy that y'all did what y'all did for the Orlando magic i haven't on this hype train since the season ended and i love it let's go follow up at number 10 of course i switched up last minute charlotte hornets number 10 weirdly enough i have the i have the Orlando magic at nine and number eight i have the miami heat and at number seven i have the nix the nix at seven okay explain explain yourself right now Let's talk.

Let's talk. Let's talk. Let's be for you. Let's be for a real. Come on. Now, listen, it's not about, it has nothing to do with the Knicks as a whole. I just think that the few other teams that I have above them will be special in certain aspects of the game, which will catapult them towards the tippy top of these standings. That's literally it.

Nothing against the Knicks whatsoever. You know, I go than R.J. Baird, of course. I get that. That's just my time. Mine's not super different? I. Oculus, I agree that there's a few teams that are going to jump them

because I think they made big improvements. The next are still just the Knicks. I have them a little bit higher. Like, clearly you have the 76ers above them. I accounted for the 76ers as James Hardin's leaving in the next month or two or whatever. So I have the 70s sixers below the Knicks. But in principle, I see what you're getting at. There's teams that became really impressive in the Knicks or just the Knicks.

And I feel like the Knicks are like one year good, next year, wildly disappointing. It keeps flip-flopping. We'll see if Jalen Brunson becomes a stabilizing force and they can be good for two years in a row. but this Julius Randall era has been wildly inconsistent so I wouldn't be shocked because he's been the best player and Julius Randall's inconsistent

you put Jalen Brunson there an actual adult Team USA starter right you get somebody like that on your team to run it you're gonna be pretty solid like I feel pretty good seven what do we talk

come on now playing you act like I had them out of the race is Mr. Donovan real quick do you have the Knicks above the Hawks yes I do I love it.

Now that you said that, you owe me my $100. You think I fucking forgot. It's been nine months, 10 months, Donovan. Listen, listen, listen. I'll send that money over right now. I'll be, I'll be real. I will, you will, you can get your money right now. And you know what?

Why you're sending me my money? I am. Let's double down. They've been DM and me. Let's make it $200 to Hawks will be better than the next. Shake on it right now. $200? Double nothing.

Do it. I'm down. I'm down. Let's do it. Hawks will be put in the Knicks Last year I said you're going to lose I was right this year You're going to lose again

Oh ha ha ha ha Seven is Let's use this to reveal the top six And then we'll talk about the whole top ten at once Because I have the Hawks Pretty fucking high At six I got the 76ers

Assuming James Hardin is going to be gone relatively soon hopefully At some point throughout the season I'll say Five I have the Knicks I hope that's respectable for Donovan I don't get yelled at too four I have the hawks three I have the calves

two I have the Celtics one I have the bucks okay all right let's just let's review all this and then we'll talk about it at six I have the 76ers at five I have the hawks

at four I have the Knicks at three I have the calves at two I have the bucks and at one I have the Celtics wow I love that Donovan I love that I have the same exact top three as you so at number six

Here's my riser, the Indiana Pacers. And number five, I have the Philadelphia 76ers. Four, I have the Hawks. Three, calves, of course, two bucks and one Celtics. I think the Celtics are going to be insane in the regular season. Yes. But they both will. I think they're going to be so close.

They're going to be fighting for it all year. It's going to be neck and neck. It's those, obviously, obviously, top two tier teams and everyone. I actually don't think. I'm looking at the Celtics right now, and I don't see. how they don't win 60 games this year. Yeah. Like I think the Celtics have a,

they have a chance to be the best team in the league in the regular season. They're going to have an amazing deep. The fact that you could have a defensive backcourt of Derek White and Drew Holiday and like on what, 607, 68% of the league, you can just say, hey, go ruin their night

and you'll be fine. It's going to be torture for a lot of the guards in the league. And I they're they're gonna be so good and everything that we talked about last last week and mo's like listen poor zingas You put on that Celtics jersey his white man powers got activated and he looks good again They are going to be rolling from the jump and we get year two of Missoula and everybody back in that system They're they're gonna be really really good I agree are we forgetting that last year the Bucks had the most the most turmoil they've had in any season with his core and they were still a fucking one seed

some Janice does not lose regular season games he is a regular season wins machine he will get his 32 points a game no matter what

no matter who's around him and you insert dame into that it's just every year the bucks are constantly pushing at the one seat regardless of what's happening with any other team and I think you add dame to that

it's gonna why would they not continue that trend you know what I mean yeah man and this year Chris Milton's actually going to be healthy and he's going to be

maybe not the Christian Minnesota of the old, but at least, at very least, a better version of what we saw last season. And now we started off. It's different now. Like, they're going to be crazy. Yeah, exactly. But with the way the Celtics have been hooping, or with the way their offense was ran last

season and how much threes they're shooting and pretty much doubling down on that philosophy by picking up someone like bruisingis and then you have someone like Drew, too, who cleans up a lot of the mishaps and he makes their offense a little bit more complicated, too. It's like I just imagine them steam rolling through teams throughout the regular season. That doesn't mean that hasn't winning the championship or anything like that. I just think that, you know what I'm saying? This regular season will be dominated by them and Jaylon Brown or Jason Tatum specifically is going to fucking feasts. I think I agree and I think the exact same thing with the bucks and I just happen to go to the team that is always the one seat that seems that now has the best do what we've seen since LeBron and AD joined together.

Yeah, I like it. I can't be too mad at it. I think they'll both win 60 games at this rate. They're both going to be incredible. I think the only reason why I put the Celtics slightly above them though is because they have not the better players but they have better depth

and throughout this long tumultuous season that's what's going to put them over the top just a little bit. Yeah, listen, everybody says that. We all think Yonis is better than Tatum. We all think Dame is way better than Jalen Brown. Who's the third best player there? Drew Holiday.

Chris Millerton and Drew, that's always been a debate. We all ranked Brooke Lowe above K.P. in our center's rankings. Yeah, but KP has a Celtics jersey this season on, bro. You think I'm like when it comes to this voodoo? Like, this is serious. He's super saying, super Caucasian mode. I forgot.

Exactly. And listen, Bobby Ford is Derek White. That's comparable. Derek White is better. But like, you know, it's not, not hugely different. Like the depth that we're acting like the Bucks are a two-man team and they're also five or six good, good, good players deep. The Celtics have the best top six in, in the league.

I would take their top six over anybody else's. And I think that in the regular season, guys like Peyton Pritchard, he's going to come in, he's going to do, you know, Peyton Pritchard stuff, right? Don't get me going on Marjohn Bochamp.

Okay. You can have, I'd honestly rather have Peyton at this point. But listen, the Celtics, like, and also the Celtics were one game off of the one seed from last year.

And, like, they still are. they're going to be good at. I think that, like, listen, there's something that happens to your team when Marcus Smart is the point guard

and he's a little bit irrational. And there was just something last year where there was so many games where they were just playing with their food and, like, they should have won all these games. Like, everybody was healthy and it was fine. I think that now that you have Drew Holiday there at the point guard position,

you have a team coming off that was probably supposed to walk to the, the finals and then they didn't even get there they're going to they're going to be motivated they're going to be ready i think that a lot of those stupid losses are going to be wins this year they they're they're going to win 60 and i think it's going to be easy for them to get to 60 games yeah i just again i agree on everything you're saying i just think the bucks are equally as good i think we're going to see the most dominant top two teams in the conference we've seen in a long time it's going to be like warriors and rockets for those few years in the west like it has like it was

then good times good time what else do we have what else do we have in this list we gotta talk about the hawks versus nicks let's get to get back into this oh yeah oh man yeah we I didn't forget I think the hawks are gonna be incredible I think I'm fully bought into Quinn Snyder revitalizing this team

fully bought into the Trey Young redemption it's just preseason and a lot of times this type of thing starts off early in the year but as the year goes on players fall into their ways and what I'm talking about is Trey Young has been moving off ball I've been seen plays where he starts off on the top of the arc, throws the entry pass to the midpost,

runs around the right side to the corner, cuts baseline on the left corner, and comes off a screen at the top of the arc again, looking exactly like Steph Curry. I had never saw Tray Young do that. For years he wanted to see Tray Young do that. Now that I'm seeing it, and I'm seeing the way his speed bends defense is

because he's quick as hell and runs around like Kyler Murray on the football field, just looking crazy. If he's going to do that all year, we're going to see it better to Jante Murray because we're going to be able to have him have the ball in his hands and Trey Young actually make him better.

We're going to see better spacing because John Collins is in there chucking up corner threes. We're going to see Jalen Johnson have an opportunity to provide some sort of value and on Yekka jump. Everything combined.

This is going to be like the Hawks were a couple of years ago when they made that run to the Eastern Conference Finals. I think I just ascended. I'm sorry, listen, Ben Simmons should have dunked

and teabagged Trey Young at the rim and he forgot how to do it. And so then the city just lost. so like it was far as listen shout to them shout to them was that wasn't even a game seven was it no it's game six

there you go so whatever shut up the hawks are good yeah man there's just so many indicators as a hawks fan who's been saying the same exact shit beating a dead horse of

we're playing fucking hero ball Trey young is literally like a 6 1 version he's been playing like a 6 1 version of fucking James Harden bro which is phenomenal you know what I'm saying He's a little worse, obviously, but that's great basketball, but that can only take you so far, especially when you're a team that has no spacing.

John Collins had that fat-ass inflated pinky, and that eliminated all of his shooting ability. And then on top of that, having a four who's a traditional, actual four from like the 2000s, who's been trying to masquerade as a, you know, modern-day-sars Army knife, he's not that. We have someone who can legit be that, and that's Jalen Johnson, and he is one of the three, key things that will fully unlock the hawks and their limit not limitless potential let me not say that now but they're high potential in my mind so when you consider those things on yakon kong was over here being self-aware and he's shooting threes and you know what i'm saying quinstetter just has this team bought in and the brand of basketball changing just means a hell of a lot w's will be

added so just know that i will definitely be insufferable y'all might have to lock me on Twitter or mute me, all right? But just know that I will be in your face, yapping my ass off. Jalen is also four assists. Oh, best believes is the greatest day on my life, bro. Now, Donovan, you're good, got done. Give us the dissenting opinion. Tell us why they're going to be mid.

I'll start. No, no, no. I'll start with this. I agree that the Hawks are going to be very good and they're going to be much better than they were last year. They're going to, the offense is going to be great. They're going to look much more fluid. they're just not going to be better than the Knicks.

And like even everything that you saw from the Knicks last year, right? Third best offense in the league last year. Top 10 net rating in the league last year. This team that started off slow, started off, they were under 500 for the first for, I guess, month and a half for like October and November. And then Brunton just reminds everybody, but not even reminded. He showed everybody, hey, nobody's going to stop me when I go down. Hill. Nobody can stop me one-on-one, and he was one of the best isolation scores last year.

And the stuff that we were talking about earlier when you're like, oh, this team has been up and down. Yeah, because in 2020, they were completely devoid of any offense. Alfred Peyton was running point guard, and Julius Randall had this, like, insane contract year. Then now, like, everything that they're able to do offensively with Brunson running it, you have some really good players there. You add Josh Hart, great connecting piece. You add Dante Devinchenzo, another great connecting piece. You just have a lot of guys there who know how to play basketball and are just going to add on to this offensive system

that was one of the best in the league last year. And so, listen, and if they were a top of what offense last year real quick? Top three. It's gross. Top three. The Knicks? Top three. No way.

The Knicks had top three offense last year? No way. It was in terms of offensive rating. It was the Kings. It was the Celtics. And then the Knicks and the 76ers were tied. at a hundred and seventeen why did i not remember that that feels so forget and look and look that's how that listen that's how we want it listen we'll keep we'll keep it on the low we'll keep

it on the low because when it comes time for april and may and trey young has to guard jalen brunson he's getting that shoulder to his chest he's falling down and he's not he's not doing anything right and so whenever we get that four five matchup we're running it back we're running in the back jante's in a walkover long-ass wings fan that he's going to be we've all we've listen you don't need to stop that you don't even believe that we've already said that that de jante's overrated it's fine but all i'm saying is all i'm saying is that the nicks have proven at least over the last two years or three years that they've been able to be consistent and their off their offense now like last year was taken to another level and i think that for them defensively last

here was a problem and for like a tom tibito team was one of like there's a you know the defense had some issues i think now you're you're you're going to be able to improve on that with divin chenjo with heart there for a whole season and you're going to be just fine and so i just i just don't see where like the hawks make this insane leap right up up seven games like and we just think that the nicks are going to dial back i think i think i don't be okay i think i I think the biggest separator between the two is... So then you're asking for the Hawks to win like 50 games. I think that's very possible for them.

50 games at the 4C? The biggest separator for this is that the Hawks are going to be shooting so many fucking threes. Trey Young is going to chuck the motherfuckers. I literally was watching an interview the other day talk about how... He better make him. Quinstonter was telling Trey that he needs to go ahead. He needs to go ahead and shoot way more threes than settling for long twos and doing

fadeaway stuff, which is the most. important, but not as important as the three-point shot for someone who's as gifted as a shooter that he is. And so I think we're going to have a better defense than you guys simply because of big bodies, Hunter, Klincapella, Dejante Murray, so like that, whatever. But I think the three-point shooting is going to be like the biggest difference in why I see us being a step ahead of the New York Knicks. Every year of Tray Young's Prime besides last year, they've been a top offense.

They weren't last year because adding DeJonty to the mix. makes made it weird. They had no spacing and Tray Young had a shooting slump. None of those things will be an issue this year of Quinn Snyder. This team is going to be a top three offense. If I could make prop bets on a teaming a top three offense, I'd put my fucking life savings on the Hawks being that high, which I think will make them be above the Knicks who are going to be good offense still for sure. But I think Hawks would be like in the mix for the top offense in the league for the entire year. And like most said, the defense will be as good or if not better. So their offense is just going to get to the level that the

Knicks were last year. You have R.J. Barrett on your team. You have the one seat above them. And a discussion. You have the owner. That's not a too talking. Thank you. And he's better to him.

I guess. That's a mid-off. Listen, one-on-one. One-on-one. Let's set it up right now. Oh, my God. I'll call RJ. He might have that because he's a strong man.

But regards of the fact, let's not have this conversation. Yeah. What else is in here? We all have the semi-sixth was falling off just because there's no. way to assume anything good is going to happen to them this year with James Hardin drama looming over their head Yeah The only way that they elevate

The only way that the 76ers elevate Is entirely based on What leaves Tyrese Maxie is able to take And that's nothing else changes with their team Joel and B is going to go ahead and do Joel and B things PJ Tucker is going to give you That random ass seven games without scoring drought You know what to expect out of this team

So it's like two points per game Yeah I see we all have the patient making a jump to the playoffs I think that's another easy one hammer they're over if you're betting props for the year I don't know I remember what they're over is bet it no matter what they're going to be extremely good when they were healthy last year with Tyrese Halliburton

they were the 60s for a long time they fell off when he got hurt because he is the offense he's one of the top offensive engines in the league they live and die by him and now they have even more pieces Miles Turner's coming to his own they have a million fours now they're going to be a great team

thanks they're fucking a phenomenal bro, bro. I think we're done. I mean, the magic, we didn't talk about them at all, but we all had them in the playoffs. I think the magic are going to be great. I think year two of Palo with Franz and year three going to be making arguably a most improved player leap. We'll talk about that award in a little bit. Franz is going to be in the mix. Mark Hell Fultz is winning that point guard job looking like a great fit. They have a lot of spacing. They have really talented big in a, in a Wendell Carter, forgot his name for a second. I see the vision to them

being the probably the biggest surprise team of the league. I think what a lot of people viewed, okay, see you to be last season. I think they're going to have a similar year. And a lot of people are going to be like, yeah, they're up next in terms of being a consistent team. They're out of the slums. And this is a team that everyone should look out for for the next few years. And this is their waking up party, if you say so.

People don't realize how much of a star leap that's coming from Palo. when a Victor Womaniana is taking all of the you know young player hype machine that all the eyes are one to him Palo's gonna come out with the true star year two I think I agree yeah yeah man

Best telling the league has ever seen since Bob Coosie Yeah bro And if If the Orlando Magic Get like 10% better shooting From either you say everyone or someone Like Dylan Suggs gets the shit together Or maybe if Gary Harris is good again

and big whoop if they get more shooting from everyone which I expect to happen they could be as high as possibly the seventh seed I would not be surprised yeah me neither

because all these seeds are gonna be decided like one or two games so they could definitely but like they can be the 60s I don't know it might be 44 games versus 42 that's a lot of dip

that's a lot of dip on the chip I don't know if I can go as high as six for I picked them at eight I agree but I'm just saying like it's gonna be a two game difference it wouldn't be the biggest surprise in the world

what's a difference between there's a four game difference between six and between six and eight last year okay so maybe not we'll see we'll see we'll see how it shakes out yeah point to saying is they're going to be in that mix and there's a lot of very variability there on how good they could be and how high they could be in that mix and I think like best case scenario could be to succeed if everything clicks which is a big big ask true man yeah man I think we're good I think we can move on to the awards let's do it do you guys want to start with their premier awards or get the ones we

don't care about out of the way first let's get the ones who are okay care about out of the way. All right. We're going to start with the trio of six men of the year, coach of the year, and clutch player of the year. We'll do the same thing we did for the seedings. We'll each give our chunk for each section and go one by one. Okay. I'll go first. Six man of the year. I'm going Cole Anthony. Who very interesting. Okay. Which I think is a unique pick. Coach of the year, Quinn Snyder, and clutch player of the year, Damien Lillard. Wow. Okay. So rationale for each of these.

Sixth man of the year, Cole. Last year, he had far less minutes. I think he played 23 minutes a game because Marco Fultz came back and he shot 50% from the field and 36% from 3 on a high diet of off the dribble shots. I think he's legitimately really good.

And if this team is competitive, there's going to be more of a limelight on him. And I think he's going to earn minutes and be able to score a lot of points in those small amount of minutes. Last year he averaged 13 in his first year coming off the bench. I think he can get up to 17 or so

if the team's good and I think that's kind of the archetype you see for six men of the year it's a high score off the bench for a good playoff team and if we all think the magic are going to make that jump to that level I don't see any reason

why he can't continue to do that nice I cannot really disagree that I didn't have him as a name or I didn't even think of him when it comes to this but if the moral limit if the Orlando magic

do reach these aspirations that I have for them Colin Anthony will play a heavy part in that and he could be that fill in too just for spacing reasons, you know what I'm saying? So, good pick. I think Coach of the year, well, listen, we just talked for like 20 minutes

about why we think the Hawks would be really good now. And that's going to be entirely because of Quinn Snyder. And I think the narrative of he turned the Hawks around. He saves Trey Young's reputation from the depths of despair. It'll be a good narrative. If they're a top four seed, I think he's a shoe in. And then plus play at the year, Dame, I think the way this buck team is going to work is Janus,

go out there and go crazy, play half bag, every play for three quarters and when fourth quarter comes around we got to slow some shit down the ball's gonna be in damning lowers hands and because of that I think his fourth quarter scoring numbers are gonna be ridiculous and last year and last year and fox won it he scored a ton of points in the last five minutes of games I think it's gonna be dame this year nice I can agree with that not not bad takes I don't really give a fuck about the clutch play of the year award we need that I don't care at all it's okay whatever but okay I'm not gonna say shit about that that award is literally just who of the most fourth quarter points this year boring ass award yeah who cares it's not moving the

needle no i don't want to hear your list all right six man of the year bogdan boaddonovitch oh okay yeah i forgot about him that's a cool trick i have him for coach of the year taylor jenkins for uh for the memphis grizzlies and then club's player of the year i'm going to Tyrese Halliburton. Yeah. Okay, explain that one. The first two, I understand. Explain Tyrese as Clutch player.

For Tyrese, I think that, like, like you said, the clutch player of the year is going to go to whoever scores the most points in clutch time or just has a lot of those moments. And for a lot of those teams who aren't going to be in those situations, that's why, like, I wouldn't pick a game. But for Tyrese, like, the Pacers are going to be good and they're going to be better. but they are going to like they're not a world beater so they're going to be in a lot of close games and i think that's how he's him i think that he's just going to you know come through and do what he does

so that's why i'm taking him as the close player of the year no yeah i don't hate that whatsoever makes sense yeah i mean we all agree he's an elite offensive engine if the team is as good as you think that it'll be it'll be because their offense most likely and he'll be the deciding factor of that which is now that think about it a very similar narrative arc to the kings last year so i can rock with that no yeah that makes complete sense So let me move on on my list I got questions about Jenkins No I get it

You mean Jenkins is always running for this Jenkins finds victories Out of very little talent routinely If he does it again and they once again Have a top three seed totally understand it Yeah With how your standings align This makes complete sense

And that's the way it should go Because usually close to the year Based off of you know what I'm saying Who wins the most games not actually you know how good of a coach are you I think yeah who does the most with the least help yeah but Eric Spolcher you know I'm saying he hasn't one of one of them bitches yet which is criminal but you know I'm saying they don't win games they don't win games just a just a couple years ago he was the they were the one seed tough Taylor Jenkins got a two seed happened

yeah exactly so I'm like he did it but it I guess I don't know it's just one of those weird things with Miami weird organization but um forced Sixth man of the year. I have Emmanuel quickly. I think he was in contention last year for it. I think this year is going to get it. They're going to run on him for a lot of buckets. And spacing isn't fantastic over there in New York.

And in order for them to thrive and make a push, you know what I'm saying? Obviously, he's going to be one of the biggest determining factors for that. Coach of the year, Hela wins. The Boston Celtics, my goals align. I just think that they're going to fucking have an insane regular season. might win like 64 65 games i think they're going to be that unstoppable because of their star power depth you know yeah that makes sense um jumbuzu is the safest pick i think yeah exactly second year coach the naird was going to be there he lost the locker room last season and all that

i think they're going to be ridiculous and then clutch player of the year don't give a damn don't care about this award jamaul murray we can move on yeah there i think honestly with a little bit of logic attached to this. I think that he's going to get a lot of respect this season. And he obviously, we all know he's going to be an all-star regards to the fact of what he pretty much does this season. But I think with that being said, a lot of the spotlight, a lot more attention to spotlight is going to be on him specifically because the, because of the expectations that people consistently place on him. And I think Yolk is going to, you know what I'm saying, offload a lot of that duty to him when it comes to on a consistent basis when it comes

to clutch situations and moments just because you don't like to hoop apparently. You got, I hate that conversation. Yeah, you're right. Great. Again, these are the awards that are least interesting to me. We can breeze right through them

and move on to the ones that we're all here for. Let's talk about what matters for once. Thank you. Yeah. Real discourse. Do you guys want to... Okay, should we bunch?

There's four next awards. Most improved player, defense player of the year, rookie of the year, and MVP. Want to do them all the same time? Or do you want to make MVP separate? Let's make MVP separate

Okay, let's save the cream of the crop Even though for me it's not the most interesting one I kind of went chalk But we'll separate just because it's MVP Next up, most improved player I won Anthony Simons By far the hardest award I have three people in the running for this

Anthony Simons, Jordan Poole and Franz Wagner End up going Simons but any of those guys can get it Especially Jordan Poole You dropped 42 today in the preseason it might be him but I'm gonna go Simons just because I think he's gonna

we'll get to it defensive player of the year Evan Mobley he was third last year as a second year player I think it's his time he's gonna get his DPOI in before

Victor Wemniana runs away with an X6 and then speak of the devil Rookie of the year I got Big Vic himself the most obvious pick has ever been made chalk yeah

cool yeah that makes sense all right for most improved I have Jalen Green for That was my hot take last week I'm staying with it this week Defensive player of the year

I'm giving it to Anthony Davis He's gonna get he's gonna get it I almost did that too That was my first I was my first thought He's gonna get it And the rookie of the year Surprise surprise when B Yes

Yeah I almost went AD But then I looked at the numbers After the trade deadline last year When they had that team They were only like ninth In defensive rating And I don't think they're gonna be That much better this year

I think it's gonna be a very balanced offensively and defensively team not like an elite defense like it was in 2020 and it's even though AD is I think pound for pound the best offensive player in the world you got to be a top one or two defense to win DPOI and I don't know if I

see that for the Lakers this year that's that's fair the level that we saw AD though in the playoffs last year was like a different level of defense yeah that narrative is going to stick that's going to stick for sure and so like everybody everybody is already

understanding that like listen he can he can play at the highest level on one side of the floor the question's always just going to be like is he going to score 30 or is he going to score 15 but we're not talking about that with d p o why so i think i think that's that's going to go and then also with like mowgli and allan like mobly's obviously like great people might hold and even though there's d p o why and i just said that like we don't care about the points for ad i feel like mobly is going to be in a very big spotlight this year because people are expecting like this big leap yeah so he might get over-criticized and so that's you see keger park and speaking of that kenther perkins put him on like

he made this list of players with the most approved this season and he just randomly throughout evan moby's the name yeah well i guess not randomly it sounds like you're affirming what he's saying you know what i'm saying but yeah i guess it makes sense and listen he's top three d p oi and if perc says a future star yeah okay if perk says it i want to disagree because fuck perk but I get it he's a top three defensive player of the year guy

everybody talks about him like he's the next you know like star big man he hasn't really developed offensively too much yet he's great at finishing plays and not of creating him he got decimated by the Knicks

like if he doesn't come out strong it'll be like okay maybe he doesn't have the ceiling we once hoped he did something that you said a few minutes ago Isaac is that a lot of these narrative or a lot of these awards will be based off a narrative which free crayon eaters out there

It's just based on how you feel at the moment. And, you know, that's just like what's most important, sadly, when it comes to these awards. So with that being said, for my most improved player of the year award, someone who has the strongest storyline out of every other candidate. Surprise, surprise, Jordan Poole, Clout is OD. He got punched the fuck out last season. It was a walking punching bag. Human punching. They got emissimated.

Literally, the TMC got their hands on the tape. Man, it was a crazy time But he's going to go ahead and prevail With him getting knocked out That's crazy Exactly I think he's going to thrive over there And put up fucking 26 or 25

Something crazy like that Over there in Washington For my defense player Of the year award narrative stick I think Anthony Davis Him and the limelight That he put on himself When it comes to the defensive

Masterclass that he put on Will show and we'll stick And if the Lakers are going to be I think I had them as a top two seat in the Western Conference, Anthony Davis has to be a defense player of the year. You know what I'm saying? And then for my rookie of the year, wamp, wamp, yeah, Wemby, like he's ridiculous. He just nutmegged Reggie Bullock.

That's 7-4, dude. We've never seen that before. I believe that's the first time in NBA history or someone that big nutmeg, someone like that, bro. It's crazy. Yeah, he's different. He's different. Yeah.

But I think it seems like we're pretty much aligned when it comes to this. the craziest thing that I see is maybe most improved player of the year award going to Anthony Simons. And I went on this long-ass tangent. Yeah, it looked. Yeah, because when it comes to, you don't know the fucking definition of most improved player

of the year award. And you're probably those people, one of those people who voted for John Rant a couple years ago, Isaac. If you had a vote, you don't have done that shit. And I think the most player of the year award, let me go on a rant. Let me go on a rant. Let me go on a rant. Listen, that most improved player of the year award lost its value.

to him what it literally means and history tends to show that whenever you see an insane surge of production point blank period john morant was already like that bro if you look at the list prior to that larry marketing he checks off he was fighting for his NBA career looking for where he was supposed to be at and finding his role and he finally lived up to this all-star potential that we some people saw he had julius randall same shit brandon ingram naturally because i'll Opportunity was there. He went ahead and won that award. Pascom Seattle follows those same lines. The list goes on and on and on.

I don't think Anthony Simons fits this perfectly. And also, I think the blazers are going to suck. You just picked a 20 point per game score with a max contract and a ring. And you're going to tell me that Anthony Simons, you're going to tell me that Anthony Simons is too proven to win most improved player. Anthony Simons hasn't done a fucking thing in his career. He was a late first round pick. He is not a number two pick shirt thing star like John Morant. There is no reason that Anthony Simons cannot win this award.

I think it's a wide consistent first off you said he didn't do a goddamn thing hey did you did you not see him in one of the dunk contests a couple years ago oh my god all right we respect those things over here i got those things over here i was laying you cook no no no no no no no no no no no no no no both of these guys have scored 20 points per game before and it's just like what i think like it makes mo it makes a little bit more sense for you just because like the narrative is going to be there for for pool and i think that for sim is like he does does have the ability to get lost in that back court with Scoot with Shaden.

Motherfokers are putting the Shadden sharp ahead of him, bro. Shaden is mid. Shaden hasn't done a single thing yet. Shaden has potential because he jumps high. Shaden has not put together 15 effective games in his career yet, night in the summer league. Scoot is a rookie. Scoot is a rookie. He'll be great.

He's a rookie point guard. They're never that good. Even Jha as a rookie, better than most, wasn't that great. That's why he won most improve the next year. Anthony Simons in 11 games last year without Damien Lillard, 11 games. isn't the biggest sample size but it's enough I think 27.9 points 5.7 assists

41% from 3 46% from the field he has zero competition for shots he will get as many as he wants the same exact thing can be said for Jordan pool though and then on top of that it's Jordan pool and the narrative completely steam rolls and washes

anything that people will be worried anything that anything that they do in Portland you know what I don't care I didn't like have an issue It's not for you to care. No, no, I don't have an issue with Jordan Poole. Like, I said he's my top three. I'm not disputing that with you.

You're the one that was like, Anthony Simons can't win it. He's too good. Which, like, why? Like, what is he? He's not an all-star. He's not on that trajectory. Nobody came to the draft thing

and Anthony Simons is that dude. I think Anthony, I feel like Anthony Simons has shown that he's been that good, but maybe it's just me and how much I believe in him already. Regardless of the fact, though, I don't think,

I don't think his growth will be that much of a surprise compared to someone like, I don't even want to say something like Jordan Poole because it won't be surprised, more shots and all that stuff. I think any of the day, it just comes to narratives between the two. And like, and like Mo said, and like Mo said,

it's really just about vibes and how I feel about this moment. And in this moment, Mo's like, no, like I don't really feel Anthony Simons is going to win it. So it's like, okay. The narrative is just shifting at that point.

So listen They have the same exact odds Which makes sense They're in very similar situations Yeah This is interesting I didn't even know that Maxi is the lead on favorite

To win it for the score That makes sense If James Hardin's traded Maxis have a bigger role I don't Is that oh McHale Bridges is number two I find it hard to believe

That he'll win it No No No After what he showed Yeah I guess I'm not picking Austin Reeves I'm not either

Alright, we got let's go to the main event though Who's winning MVP? Who is Kendrick Perkins fighting against this year? I'm coming with a bold prediction of the year Nicole Yokic wins his third MVP Okay Surprise surprise the best player in the world is going to win it again Last year he got robbed

And immediately everybody said Oh wait he got robbed That I think is enough to wear away some of the voter fatigue I don't see a world where Yokic comes out like lackadaisical because he's never been like Janus where he's like a thousand percent every time down the court he's just so good he can be relatively lax and play at his own pace and put up his numbers no matter what

we all think they're going to be the one seed if they're the one seat again and he's the best player in the world again I think it'll be him because the two teams in the east are going to be so good but they have too many good players that's going to take them out of the conversation for MVP you don't think his horse racing is going to distract him that narrator is beating his ass right now already he was at practice scouting horse

horses. He needs to lock him. People aren't used to the fact that the best player in the world has nothing to nitpick. People are like, don't know how to comprehend a world where the best NBA player doesn't have something to slander them about. So they have to be like, maybe doesn't carry about basketball. Maybe he likes horses too much. Like this is like a weird pre-draft thing where they're like, oh, he cares too much about outside factors, but the whole time he just won finals MVP. He watches horse racing too much for me. I can't stand by her. I can't do it. It's so stupid.

I can't do it. And because of that, nah, that's not why. But I am going, I am going somewhere different though. I'm going with Jason Tatum to win MVP. Okay.

I think we saw Tatum at like, really leading the race for about like a month and a half at the start of last year. I think that the Celtics are going to be so good this season. Like I said earlier, I think that they are going to get 60 wins easy. I think that Tatum's life is going to be. as simple as it's ever been, which is go out every night and get 30 and don't get embarrassed on defense. And he's already like a good defender. And so you have this two-way star who's going to

average, who's going to average 30 on the best team in the conference, potentially the best team in the league. And so like, why wouldn't you? Why wouldn't it go to Tatum if the Celtics meet all of the expectations that they, that, you know, are put upon them right now? So, yeah, I think the narrative will be they have a super team and that they're so good that he's going to be the mix for sure so I don't think so though I don't I don't think I don't think they are going to be looked at as a super team just because like their team is very very good but at the same time if you stack up everybody on them and Milwaukee the first two players coming off the board are for Milwaukee right pretend or I guess two of the top three

I think I would take Tatum over day but yeah definitely but like but here's the thing the bucks are also a super team exactly and so that's where that's I think they are more of that than Boston

but the nuggets aren't and that's fair that's why like I wouldn't put Janice as my second like I can definitely see Yokic being the runner up but I do think that I do think that Tatum has a really good opportunity for him to go and kind of just like

sees this entire moment and he average he averaged 30 last year so right right i agree i just think that yeah i think it'll be that they're going to be better but i think for this recipe for him to already be a MVP contender yeah and then to make that jump i would think one it's about the competition does yokech have a caliber season worth that does a newcomer come does shea have that or whoever else but for tatum i think they're going to be better team but it won't be because he got better you know what i mean like he's probably going to be the same so if they made this big jump and it's because they added better players, not necessarily because anything changed with Tatum, I don't know

what the strong argument will be if Yokic has also an MVP caliber season with less help. You know what I mean? It'll basically be what stronger in the voter fatigue or the super team fatigue. I think something that will bust both of those thoughts is just simply the Boston Celtics might be like that. Now, with that being said, I don't have Tatum being the MVP, but if it does happen, it's simply because the Boston Seltz won 65 games. Jason Tatum maintain the same type of numbers.

And it's just sheer greatness that you cannot deny. And this may be his chance, opportunity to enter that top five air that a lot of people eventually expect him to go ahead and be a part of, you know? Listen, he's getting something. He's getting something. He's either getting the Clutch Player Award. He's getting the MVP. He's getting the scoring title.

There's going to be a trophy at the end of the year with Jason Tatum's name on it. Like he is, this is the moment, this is the chance. I think he's taking that opportunity. Listen, if they have an all-time great regular season, I can see it. But I think it'll take it all-time great regular season. Yeah. I think they'll have that. And I think with that argument, with that Donovan has, I can definitely agree with that.

But I have a different MVP. My MVP winner for this year is Janus attended Kumpo. I think that like you said, Isaac, he's just always a fucking, he's a fucking monster. And he just, I think what happened and how they went out last season will reap his mind. He's, I see him being stupidly locked in and just putting up fucking 33, 34, Portuguese or something insane like that. Yeah. On a consistent basis. And I think he has that narrative being embarrassed and all these eyes are on him and Dame now.

And I think his efficiency, as crazy as sounds, is going to, it's going to jump back up, actually. Because if I remember correctly, it was slightly down compared to the year before. So yeah, I think he's going to be more efficient Put up a little bit more points per game And the bucks are going to be elite And I think with the type of season that he's going to have It might be an all-time rate But also, Yokes could easily do the same thing

And the sales could be elite I don't fucking know But it's just a wild prediction Yannis is going to have so many more easy buckets Coming off of Dane Pick and Rolls How do you how are you going to be able to stop A Yonis Lob when you're at the trap A Dane Pick and roll

So I'm saying It's like the efficiency is going to jump That's not my job to figure that out. So I'm not, I'm not going to answer that. The negative is fair. Your boy, Joe Mazula's job. Good luck. Exactly.

That is, that is not going to answer those questions. I'm telling you that. That is a fair pick, though, by Mo. And even though I wouldn't have Janice at two, I feel like the last couple years, once you start getting into like February and March, everyone's like, hey, is Janus the MVP? Like, have we been overlooking him for the last six months? And I think now that Dame is there, there is like the spotlight, which is already on Janus. It's going to be even bigger.

And so people are going to be watching like every single night. So yeah, I can see that happening for Yonis, though. I think that's going to be Yokic. This past year, like you said, it was Tatum the first month. And then he slowed down and everyone's like, oh, wait, Yolkich is still Yokch. And he became the favorite for a while until all the Kendry Perkins shit started and then Joelle and Beade won the narrative war. I think it'll be similar this year where those two teams in the east and then the sun

so you'd be the shiny new toys, Lakers to some extent too. And everyone's like, oh, is it Yonis? Is it Tatum? Is it LeBron? because he's going to start strong like always and then dust is going to settle injuries are going to fall apart teams are going to normalize

and people are going to look up and be like this motherfucker Yokish is the one seed averaging 26 points on 70% true shooting like he always is and it's going to be like oh wait he's by far the most valuable player on this game right now and we're going to see the same thing that happened last year except Joelle and Bid is not walking through those doors

to ruin it okay well I like that thought process yeah like I don't I'm not going to like It's not crazy to think that But it's simple Like it's it's my pick is the easiest pick to pick Like it's like the safest pick for sure

That's what got you last year though So you didn't see ahead what I was seeing About the about the voter fatigue Now I couldn't predict race relations Being brought into it Right I didn't see that But I don't Do you think like this is a very rare air

Of people who are able to get three and four Do you think Oh do I think Yokish deserves that? Yeah No not not Not deserves it, but like, is he going to do it? Like, that's, I think the finals MVP reset the voters fatigue. I think there was that feeling.

Everyone was like, you know, he has to do in the finals. He has to do in the playoffs. This guy keeps failing in the first round. Now we did it. And now it's like, oh, he's on that like all time great run. He's in the middle of like being this generation, whoever you want to compare him to. I don't want to get slandered for being like to dunk or whatever. But whoever you want to say was that guy for a generation, I think now people are buckling in like,

of Yokech is starting this dynasty run for an individual. He believes in that. He would have to believe that. He wanted to say Tenducan. It's just so crazy just because like the last person to do it was LeBron. And then the only other person to do it before that was Larry Bird. And obviously like we all hold Yokic in very high regard already all time. It's just it's a little crazy to me that like three and four years is going to is going to happen.

Especially like I think I think Yokic is. going to have a very, a very good spot in the second spot. And I think between Janus and Tatum, whichever team is the first seat, they're going to be one. And then who's ever second is going to be three behind Yokic. I can see that. I'm not worried about like the precedent thing because I think Yolkis is clearly like in terms of regular season players especially in that rare air. Like in terms of like it comes so easy to him. He has the most effortless MVP seasons, just the nature of his game. I think we're going to look back when his career is over and like put him in that caliber in terms of regular season performance like imagine if peak james

hardin did that every year without the fraudulent concerns you'd be like oh this guy's clearly an all-time great top five regular season player ever i think that's kind of who yokech is now he was playing that insurance fraud basketball yeah yoghs isn't and he's doing the same shit to wrap this up i wanted to highlight just a few things first and foremost this is going to be i feel like the most my bad MVP award ever if yokech just win it not because like yokech doesn't deserve anything like that but it's like holy fuck y'all kensri perkins and all the boys were so wrong it has to do with how good yokich is their narrative like fuck my bad and also how piss poor joll and bid was in the playoffs you know what i'm saying and so i mean bro i think i think yeah it's

gonna be definitely a my bad MVP and they're gonna re his his narrative has been realigned and reset because of those two things happen how the those two things happened and B choking like shit and Yokets putting on a generational performance and I think And in my greatest

Players of All Time video that we did I think I had in what Like top 13 or something like that And that's me protecting like a motherfucker I don't give a fuck I see the visit

I'm standing toes on it You're so right I think It matches MVP race last year People were like We've given this dude too much He hasn't proven anything

And now after having One of the most monstrous Playoff runs you've ever seen It's like oh wait Have we not given him enough like do we need to like keep rewarding this excellence like it's it's flip now I think yeah exactly we yeah exactly I 110% agree man but I you know why Isaac Donovan producer Nikkeel the TikTok fiends need it right now I might need it I mention I'm scratching

all over my body I need the TikTok time man the fiends outside of my window begging for they crying they all need to feed the streets cry on eaters say it with me let's rejoice Finally, please, it's TikTok time. Let's go! This run that Moe has been on introducing TikTok time, this is an all-time run. This is like a yokey's back-to-back-in-v-p type of run. That was crazy. I don't know how.

And I was like, is he okay? I had no idea. That was smooth. That's crazy. Listen, I don't know how you're going to keep one-uping yourself, but so far you're like three episodes deep on giving pure cinema as a transition so listen you got to keep it rolling listen you better in two hours from now you better pull out props put on a costume you better have a script it better be all out next week he's no he's for sure writing these

he's writing these in pre-production not even and like a year or two years from now or whenever we do our first live show i'm gonna throw a playboy cardy type mosh pit for ticot time you don't believe me watch yeah man he wrote five transitions a day for five summers That's great man Welcome to TikTok time As always We're going to begin with the draft

This time we're going to draft players That were born after the year 2000 2001 and going forward The youngest players in the league It's going to be good Goodness This is ridiculous Listen we're only like two

Like two years older than these guys But still after 2000 It still looks so crazy on paper Facts we were all born in 1999 so we're the last of the 20th century kids so this is the draft

that makes us feel old we're washed damn they're gonna be why'd you throw out our birth to your Isaac they're fin to be calling us unc now damn

what do you motherfuck is watch it to me the person and calls me unc I'm gonna lose my mind I a fortnight ago I was in college if I'm unc now I'm gonna lose my mind

it's gonna be crazy I'm not ready for that yet you literally had to put a pillow under your back before we started this your back is good you're done you're watched yeah for context with the views bro this man stopped we stopped after the MVP segment and he just walked around the room for like five 10 minutes god damn 13 hours in a chair oh you're exposed anyways the draft order is Mohammed Donovan Oh wow

In that order Wow The government That's right His name is a mojo He's old He has a full name His mother did not name him mojo

Don't let him lie to you The Gov His name is Mo Coke Yo That is crazy I've never felt so exposed In my life Look him up on LinkedIn

All right Just for that Oh my god Just for that I'm gonna whip y'all ass in his drafts All right Look time Let's draft NBA lineups

With only players born After the year 2000 We were going on First overall pick Give me Anthony Edwards Okay say big I knew you were gonna go there I knew you were gonna go there

That's fine I had to give me The newest unicorn Give me Victor Wimbignama Yeah Should have picked them Nice I gotta get big

I'm going to go, I'm cool being third. Give me lamello ball and palo bankero. What a duo? Both players are making a huge star leaps this year. We're going to look back and realize my team is stacked. Where do I want to go? Where do I want to go? You know what?

Give me, we're going to go Twin Towers here. Give me Evan Moby. That's crazy rim defense. That's a crazy combination. Nobody is scoring. Nobody's scoring at the room Listen, you saw what Julie's Randall did to him in the playoffs last year

Palo's just as strong He's not doing that to Winby Wimby's everywhere Mowgli then we're picking on him We're circling his name on the chart What a duo I love that shit I lot that shit

I'm so happy you didn't pick him I need a big so bad Give me Chet Holmgram Yeah of course Go ahead and give me Chet And then at the end of the season Y'all will be like Dan this man was cooking

Give me Cade Cunningham. Okay. I got a big lineup so far, bro. Yeah. Just how you like it. Okay. Hold your horses. God.

Okay. So with my next pick, I am going to go. What do I want to go with this? What do I want to go? You know what? At my three, give me Franz Wagner. Oh, good thing. I love it.

I'm glad this guy fell to me. At my shooting guard, J. Dub, J. Williams I was hoping whoa I was hoping he broke back is he was standing in college for a couple are you serious 2001 he's 23 right now Mr. Santa Clara

yeah April 14 2001 yeah hop off my car I don't know okay you got it you got it okay have fault next pick

you know what I'm a slide j-dubs my three and as a two another guy who's going to make a leap this year Jalen Green Damn I know I know what I hurt your heart Donovan Yeah Donovan I don't know I knew it

That was my next pick That was my next pick And now Ah we have to pivot This sucks Okay I have no idea where I want to go You know what

Give me Denny of Dio No no no Give me the new school Bob Coosie Give me Josh Love it. Love it. That's hard. That's a great pick. That's a great pick. You don't stand a chance against me

because I'm going to go ahead and lock all that shit up. Give me Devin Vassell. And then to double up, give me the best future room protector in the NBA after, of course, Wemby. Walker Kessler. Fuck, I was going to pick him next. I was waiting on him. Yeah, man. I had to do it. I didn't think you were to pick two centers.

Yeah, man. Go ahead and pick up Jeremy. So honest. something like that brother. Mark Williams is there for you, bro. Go ahead.

Oh my God. Oh, wait a minute. Fraud. Devin Vesel was born in the year 2000. Ha! He got called out.

You can't pick Vesel. Pick somebody else. No way. Yep. Born after. Fraud alert. Born after. Do your homework.

Bozo. Oh, my God. All right. I'm still taking Walker. Kester, regardless of the fact, he's still staying there. I just need to find another wing on the board. God,

bro, and this list is fucking bleak as hell right now. Are you kidding me? Yep. Holy shit. You're gonna pick Christian Braun. Dude, I don't have anybody. I don't have another Carter wing on my list. Holy shit. Holy shit. Calling your name.

Man. Go ahead. I'm a hometown boy. Give me A.J. Green or A.J. Griffin. Say it again. Okay. Yeah. Congratulations on having the worst player on the board. You won. He's a shooter. Okay. Listen, my team has absolutely, but not absolutely.

Yeah, my team, listen, we don't really have shooting like that. But it's okay. I'm a double down. I'm getting dogs on my team. Give me Scoot Henderson at my point guard. Okay. Wow. Straight dog. It'll be good eventually. Not your one.

that's fine at the five listen Walker Kessler got stolen for me there's no room protectors left going all offense give me Sengoon there you go

we're scored 140 points a game you guys are not stopping shit oh my god 140 we're running up and down the court passing it behind his and you finna yep and you finn't get 155 pounded it into your chest

throughout every game let's talk about it yeah let's throw a bunch of he-hees that's gonna be great So my five, I got Cade Cunningham, Anthony Edwards, A.J. Griffin, Chet, and Walker Kessler. Yeah, the AJ Griffin pick really sold you. It's okay, but it's okay.

I had to have a cell ready. How about you did? All right. I have Scoot Henderson, Josh Giddy, Franz Wagner, Wembe, and Evan Mobley. No shooting. No shooting. But you're not scoring at the rim. Wemby and Mowgli's crazy

I got Melo ball Jalen Green J-dub Palo Bancaro and Sengoon Straight buckets You got the coolest

lineup for sure Straight buckets Yeah straight buckets No defense at all It's a second thought Straight ball handlers We're just fucking

Five out every play Everyone take their turn Oh yeah Your team is for sure putting out The greatest highlights of all time We're going to

Rucker Park and going crazy eat that's the end of the draft y'all let us know in the comments who won I want to see it next video we got why it was it me next video we're going to do a tier list per usual

this time we're going to put every version of Kobe Bryant into a tier list it's time we did this for LeBron it banged we did this with Steph it banged it's time to do it with Kobe Bryant another one of the greats yeah man this should be good we have seven versions of Kobe to rank

oh this is gonna do this man this is gonna be fantastic I'm ready let's put every version of Kobe Bryant into a tier list first off rookie year 1996 Kobe it doesn't matter S tier F S tier he made the all-star game as a rookie

you have to understand that's a different level of greatness that you're seeing right there okay he didn't he wasn't even playing he wasn't even playing in the regular games and everyone still knew he's like that that's here you know that that's clout

aura exactly exactly put him in s bro put him in s too oh my god we'll split the difference put him in c for aura

put him in s tier okay next up it's we're split the difference we're gonna see there we go what's going on it next up

disrespectful as it is though next up 2001 cobi now this is real aura right here now you're talking Listen, in the middle of a three-pee, Frobe? Afro-Cobby?

That's S-Tier. Vibs are immacular right now. Yeah. Some of the greatest posters and highlights most of the time. I know, exactly. This is where the Oriors kicking my ass. I ain't going to lie. The highlights.

That Fro did it for you? Is this? Yeah, exactly. Hell yeah. I'm admitting it. I don't care. Stamp it, staple it. Tell the whole country.

The Fro did it for me, man. Next up 2006 Kobe Career high in scoring Got robbed of an MVP Listen he's dragging Smush Parker To the playoffs

Scoring 35 This is S tier This is scoring at its finest This is the game winner This is bang This is the fist pump You got to understand what it's in 35

Yes In 2006 my God But in that year Is ridiculous because spacing was insanely disgusting. One of the most slogged down offensive years of all time, he put up 35. That is ridiculous, bro. And yeah, the efficiency must not be pretty, but who gives a damn about that, bro?

Just simply putting up that amount of points and not being disgusting offensively. When it comes to your efficiency, yeah, this has to be. In the mid-2000s with no threes. No threes either. Come on now. A couple threes. Yeah. Zero negative threes, Isaac.

Negative threes, okay? He was putting the ball in the other basket. He was given the other team. They didn't have a line yet. Come on. Okay. All right. Next up, we got 2008, Kobe.

He won an MVP. How is this not S-tier Kobe? Facts. How is this not S-tier Kobe? How is the MVP of the league, not the best version? Come on. Next one. Fact.

It's simple. It's simple. All right, next up Can't go against that. 2010. He's winning back-to-back championships? Is he A or B? He's winning back-to-back championships?

Come on. Come on. So you want to say S again? He's going to go S-ter-back. That is true. He beat the somethings in the game seven? Come on. I've never seen a tier list like this.

Get four straight S-tears. Come on. Only Kobe could do it. Well, listen, that shit ends here. 2012, Kobe. There we go. This man was dragging. Steve Nash, who wasn't playing any games,

Dwight Howard on a bad back, dragged him to the playoffs. Listen, he was averaging 40 minutes a night at 30-something years. This is S-tier. No old man shouldn't be hooping like this, okay? We've only seen LeBron hoop like this at an age like this. Come on now, come on. Made two free throws with a torn Achilles.

I don't know. Who else is doing that? Nobody. Just off of that? The torn Achilles? Oh, I'm sorry. We have to put him at us. Let's do it.

It doesn't stop here. Okay. Next up, final game, Kobe. Not 2016, just the last game where he dropped 60. Nobody's ever retired. When he was giving Gordon Hayward the business? Nobody's ever retired with 50 points in a game. 60 points in a game?

I don't have to say it. It's unheard of. Shack told him a week prior, I need 50. And Kobe said, no, I can't do it. Just to lie to his face and get 60. He's it, I'll do you one better. 60. Come on now.

That's Mama mentality at its finest. That's S tier. That's Kobe embodied in a single game in a single moment. You can't name another player in NBA history who have a tier list like this. You have to understand. You also have to understand. At the same time that he was playing this game, the Warriors were going for 73 wins. It didn't matter because Kobe was given everybody buckets.

They had to tune into this. come on now that's great there we are the Kobe Bryant two list everybody's a nest here besides rookie Kobe's in C look and you can't even met you can't even be mad at it either listen games the game perfectly valid reasons I can't argue thank you we'll move on the next thing we're gonna do we're gonna run back something we did a couple weeks ago for the first time deal deal or no deal how this game works I picked a player beforehand

it's gonna be centered around them and I'm gonna list a couple three trade packages you guys at the side if you would take the deal or if you wouldn't this time we're doing Trey Young Donovan get your hands off of that goddamn phone get your ass in that goddamn corner I will consult

you this time we can talk about it this time we can talk about it I know this is your son I know this is your guy let's go So NBA deal or no deal Tray Young edition First up Would you trade Tray Young

For Scoot Henderson And a first round pick Fuck no A single first round pick I'm not even putting into the question This dude is 25 years old He's gonna end up As one of the greatest shooters of all time

I love Scoot He's gonna be a star There's no okay behind that Look at the stats look at the facts Look at how far he shoots From the three point line It's there I was with you

I was with you, but the fact that you said that he's going to go down as one of the greatest shooters of all time makes me want to trade him now. Show me another player who's shooting from that far on a consistent basis. You can only name two. Producing point blank period.

It's over. Can you bring your ass off the call? Can you bring up Tray Young stats from last year? Please tell me what the greatest, what is one of the greatest shooters of all time shot. This is why you're fired. You're fired. You're fired.

You're fired. What did he shoot? not listening from three what did he say oh my gosh 34 percent listen percent from three we're talking about the depth difficulty in three you can't you can't name more than two pairs who's shoon like him and if you think you want to get someone like scoot who's a player that you'll see almost every five three years in an NBA draft you're insane and you're probably driving this franchise to the ground mo but not my shots not Atlanta if all the shots that you take are from 35, 40 feet, and you're missing 67% of them,

fam, take a step in and shoot a better shot. Come on. No, get out of here. No, you know, mathematics is not mathematicing right now, bro. Look at the percentage of his long when he shoots over 35% and you're going to be shook. What about the ones that are crossing to the line? What about the ones that are supposed to the line?

Okay, you have lost your job. Let's move on. You have lost your job. Back to this. No decision Side note Look at this fucking headshot Trey Young this year

What's look like Fabio Who's he trying to Riz up He looked high as hell too Damn He's it I guess that That's that father life

That's funny Alright man Next deal I don't even know If you made a deal or not Is he trade or not How about Trey Young For Bam out of bio

And Tyler Hero No No deal No deal I like BAM I like Tyler Hero, too, 20 points per game score and BAM 20 points per game score or two

pretty much. It could be a decent player of the year this year, but they're not the face of the franchise like Trey Young could be. Yeah, they can't carry a franchise. They can't be the base of a franchise without another primary score the way that Trey Young is, his passing, his

scoring. This is an easy, no deal. Pat Riley, you're washed. Get the fuck off my line. Listen, most times you trade an all-star You can't get one back And this time you could I see the vision a little bit Can't happen

But I wouldn't do the deal either I get it I wouldn't do it either Side note that picture of Tyler Hero Was also crazy What is on his chin He looks insane What is on his chin All right next deal

How about Tyler Hero I mean how about Trey Young For John Morant One for one I'm not doing it I'm not doing it You see If John Morant wasn't a delinquent, then I would consider it for a second.

A hundred percent. He's not sane. At least not yet. If you know how to behave, maybe you'd have to do it. Exactly. Listen, Trey Young does not go on IG Live, taking a bottle of Casamigos to the head. You know what he does though instead? He'd be lifting his shirt up and he'd be doing all their licekin stuff.

can live with that. I can live with the cranes and all that. But waving up a gun like you out here serving with key lock and all them boys. Can't do it. Can't do it. Love it. There's a no deal around the board. Apparently you guys really like Trey Young. Untouchable. Give me wimby. I'm taking tray still. All right guys. Next thing we're going to do, I think we have some old logos to look at that you prepared, Mo. Ah, yes. We got some super old throwback. logos that we got to talk about and disseminate over here So explain to people what these are

So their logos from like When the team's like first founded type shit Yeah these logos are from Straight up the black and white days segregation days 1950s 1949 We're going that deep far back in time So these are Bob Coosie logos Yeah and a lot of teams yeah

And a lot of teams completely switched up Their entire theme may have moved here or there But overall, I think some of you guys will, I think y'all will be able to get to them and also have trouble trying to disseminate which one, which be which. So, let's do it. Guess the NBA team based on their old logo. Okay, okay. Where are we going? What's the first one? All right.

So first up, taking it kind of easy. Okay. We got this green man over here. We got the green vest. We got the old-timey look. Golden State Warriors. Come on, now. This is, I think, listen, I think you might be slightly off.

I think this might be those racists out there in Boston Darn it I was wrong Might be those guys up north No fact This is like what It's like the 40s Celtics

This is those days Yeah that was a wild miss by you Isaac There's literally the There's literally the 40s Clovers On his fucking vest Oh how could I ever miss that Darn it

This is the Boston Celtics from like 1950 bro yeah it was hard it was kind of hard I kind of like this logo uh I guess it looks like it looks of the times it looks of the times it looks like a 40s logo 40s it was the 1950s let's be specific

no and loki it looks like it belongs in like an old cereal box you know what and it looks like some good ass cereal too I ain't gonna lie to you it's lucky charms sold me lucky charms oh lookie times hell yeah that's what's next oh man

who next up we got this we got this logo from 1974 this is kind of interesting look at the color scheme the first thought is a rocket no first thought it was a rocket

because of a color scheme but this is like a conquistador or something I don't know what this is is this a cowboy could this be a warrior he got that big ass feather on his hat what could he be doing no it's not the warriors

could this be A trailblazer. Oh. No. No. Not the Troelblazers. He's fucking fencing. First of all, first of all, those weren't official guesses, right?

I was consulted with my partner. All right. We're not going on the record as 0 for two on this one. I'm not doing it. You are. I'm thinking. I'm thinking about this one. So he's fencing?

Does he have a hook for a hand? Is that a pirate? I don't know. Like, is this the warriors? Is he a warrior? No, not a warrior. He's fencing. He has some type of sword, some type of,

some type of dagger in his hand Some type of sword Huh Yeah Look at the color scheme The color scheme He kind of looks like The hawks is he

Atlanta Hawking I don't know Atlanta Hawking What the hell does even look like No Do you all give up Y'all gonna be so mad No no no give me a second

No no give me one Give me one He's not jazzing He's not a wizard Oh Like the fucking stick in his hand Yes he has a stick in his hand What team has a stick in his hand

What team had? that oh my god the cat's got the sword that's good that's good yeah problem is i don't know what cavalier is but i see the sword i never learned what the cavalier is to this day i know cavalier as an adjective that was very cavalier of you i guess it means adventurous i don't know uh what's the next up we got this tin man how does this look how does this look old and And new at the same time. It looks hard as fuck if you ask me. This is what's like,

I believe the 1970s. This is a ghostbuster's character? What the hell? No, it's not a Ghostbusters character. What is Scooby-Doo villain? No. It's not a Scooby-Doo villain. Is this the jazz?

What does a man of 10 have to do with jazz? You thought the 10 man was at? I saw a Z. I saw a Z. I didn't know if this was like a jazz fluke that was being played you know it was a stretch is this the oklahoma city thunder no they weren't a team uh you're in the no not at all i see tin man i think there's no place like home there's no place like home wizard of oz i don't remember where that was kansas kansas is no kansas team with that

nba is this the pacer's man you're in the right conference okay is this the kawaki bucks come on now let's be real 70s man Pistons? What do they call that city? The motor city? The motor city. Is this old? This is, yes, bro.

This is the Fort Wayne. Yes, this is the pistons, bro. These is the Fort Wayne Pistons. This is gross, bro. Oh, you chose the G-League team? No, this is not the, no, this was the initial team over there. They started off at Fort Wayne. What the heck?

Yeah, yeah, it's gross, bro. I thought Fort Wayne was there. I thought that was the G-League team. Okay. Cool, what's next? There we go. Who, next up. We got this big ass man.

That's a pirate. He's looking evil as hell. This looks like Ursula from the Little Mermaid. Yeah, I say it's a villain from Little Mermaid. No, no, this is the antagonist from Pocahontas. This is that big pilgrim dude. Nah, not even. He looks like the dude from Quaker Oates.

This is Mr. Quaker himself. Cause guys, savages I don't like his vibe Graphic design was not their passion back in the day, this logo sucks All right, listen, this was from 19th This thing is trashed This is from 1946, what do you expect?

Yeah, they can't draw. So clearly this is from the Northeast That much is clear to me Okay A team Is this a Celtics logo? No No, it's blue, it's blue, it's blue.

This is the Knicks. Is that your final guess? Yes. Yes. That is the New York Knicks, bro. I go, I love this logo right here. This would be hard as fuck on a shirt. This is not hard as fuck.

This is the opposite of hardest of hard as fuck. We are clowning you if you put this on a shirt and actually. I know, I can't. God for me. I need someone. I need someone watching this to send me what in them shirts and let me be clown. I don't care. I'll be swaggy while being clowned.

You think people still have these shirts? Like, you want somebody to make this for you? You're not in the vintage. Y'all are crazy. What do you have against this shirt? What do you have against his logo? Is he because he's big? What do you mean?

I can't even see his face. Those are scribbles. This man is trying to throw allegations at me. I'm trying to figure out what type of person are you? I'm a person who doesn't like this logo. It's hilarious. A bad person. Next up.

Oh, man. Now this one is hard. A roadrunner? This is. Yeah. Roadwinner, this was from 1967. Okay.

Okay. 1967. Isn't the Buffalo Braves? Could this be the Atlanta Hawks? No. Not a crazy guess. This bird is dumb as hell, to be honest with you, bro.

This can't be the Hawks. No, the Pelicans weren't around back then. Nah. Does this team have a different name than they have now? I have no idea. Yes, they do.

Horton huh oh no it's not a that's obviously not a whole team change names the wizards but they were the bullets Yeah, this is the supersonics no not the supersonic's not a terrible guess either though Huh, hmm I will say you're in the right conference okay, so Western conference I'm the north think I'm trying to think up the coast Were the Timberwolves gonna with the Timberwolves expansion I think so is this is a Minnesota? I'm trying to think about all those teams

and you have like the Timberwolves. I'm just thinking about every team in the league in the Western Conference. Oh wait. This must be Denver? No. Not Denver. Oh my God. No. Yeah. You guys are not getting this bro. This is a this was the Dallas Charples which eventually turned into the San Antonio

Spurs. What the fuck? I've never heard any of those wars put together in that order. I have never. What was this? A charpoles. I've never heard of that before in my life I never want to see it This is made up history from the NBA No, you drew this

This is a hand-drawn Mose special You got me You caught me It's crazy The next one No next one This is from 1971 This would be

The Houston Rockets The Minneapolis Lakers No And no. Damn. Damn. This is the Denver Nuggets. Ooh.

What makes you say that? The mountains. It's the Denver team before they were called the Nuggets, whatever they were. And the ABA days, yes, you're correct.

This is from 1971. Let's go. What was the team called? You're carrying. The Denver Rockets. Denver Rockets. Okay. It sounds so wonky.

Ugh. Oh, okay. I love this. right here. Oh, this is. This is problematic. This is wild. This is crazy. There's so much going on in this. It's like, racy, but that's a carrie? No, no, I'm not going to say that. I don't even know where to go with this. Is this an Oklahoma team?

No, it's not an Oklahoma team at all. Okay, well, this isn't the right conference, though. This is hard as fuck. I'm eliminated that for you. Okay. So, Eastern Conference team. I feel like any name I say is somehow racist. I don't even know where to go with this. Look at the colors. Look at the colors.

That's the only thing that is the Galilee. Is this the Orlando Magic? No, West. So this is the Dallas Mavericks. No, not the Mavericks. What? Is this a clipper? Is this what a clipper is?

No. A clipper is not an American. I'll tell you that. Is this the Warriors? Yes, the Philadelphia Warriors, bro Which eventually They had a Native American warrior Yes, bro, it was gross

They were Tomahaw shopping, this is crazy Yeah, bro Through that random white squiggly line I cleared that out That says warriors It's so gross This is crazy Listen, at least they removed it

Before the Washington football team did Yeah, bro Shout out there was so bad Being good, decent humans. The last one? I think we have one more maybe. All right.

There we go. Oh my God, another one. They were running it up in the 40s and 50s. Is this Portland? No, this is not Portland. Let's stick with those colors, though. I really thought you were about to tell us. Is this the Chicago team?

It looks like the Blackhawks. You're in the right. Holy shit. I don't know if I should give this to you, but you got the name correct. It was the Milwaukee Blackhawks? No, not Milwaukee. Blackhawks at all.

What was it? The Atlanta Blackhawks. Ah, okay. Grouse, bro. The Native Americans as mascots around the country. Fact, they were running it up. They had no creativity. They were proud.

Holy shit. That's good. I've never seen any of those logos a day in my life. And I will never see them again. Nope. And I'm so. So happy. They made it a great job.

Next video we got, we're sticking along the lines, a goofy-ass shit. This time, we're going to run back a classic. I'm going to have you guys guess NBA players based on their haircuts. Okay. So you're going to see... I've been lacking on these, on these, like, guessing games, and you step it up. I need to step it up. The hair is my bag.

Facts. So, yeah, as always, you guys are going to see some scalps and guess who it is, and I'll review the full head. Whoa. Okay. So guess the NBA player based on their haircuts. Okay. First off, we got this white man.

Oh, I know. I think I'm pretty sure on this. Is this Luke Knard? That was so fast. That boy came out hot. This is Luke Canar. Yeah. Oh, I'm back.

I'm back. Oh, you want it, bro. Shout out to Luke Canard, bro. How'd you know so fast, though? Are you kidding me? You can recognize that. fucking math teacher hair line anywhere.

Again, listen, there's only so many whites in the league, right? The pool's small. That's true. And a lot of them got good hair.

That's recognizable. Luke Kinnard is not one of them. Next up. Next up we got. Oh, I got this. This is Paolo Bencaro. Another is the one.

This is Palo Van Carro. Two for two. Yeah. I ain't go lie. I ain't go lie. The eyebrows got me and just how he has is twist.

Easy Bro, I try to cut off the eyebrows I knew that'd be a giveaway But I actually left a little bit on there Swike that shit You know his eyebrows like that I know I know every detail

Every feature Who's his eye on the card Alright next up We got this guy Damn Okay Is this common sexton? This is not calling Sexton

This may got some ass to him bro Is this He takes care of his hair This is not Ogen-Anubi Also has way more hair No look at the wrinkles in the forehead They tell it all this man has been through Some grit and grind air

And that's why this is Mike Conley No it is not Every time you pull out that forehead wrinkle shit You're always wrong Who the hell has his hair style He can't beat us on this one Is this DeAndre Jordan This is not

No you guys are nowhere near right Okay he's a young player then it's just a young player with wrinkles but he has those like little twist I have no idea who this is these aren't even that wrinkles normal fucking hair

does a normal no man he's washed he needs Botox that hair style is like you don't see this natural fro in the NBA they all either have twist or twist

like that's it that's the only option where are we going where are we going mo damn I don't no like I was some sort of This is Mike Conley, yeah.

He plays in the Eastern Conference. He plays in the Eastern Conference. He used to play with one of the players you already guessed. Actually, no, I know he didn't strike that. It's not sure. Okay. Just lying to us.

Yeah, it's completely long. Damn. Eastern Conference? I have no idea. I give up. Fuck. You guys are done. This is Donovan Mitchell.

Oh, my. I would have never guessed that. I would have never guessed that. I would have never guessed that in my life. Shout of Donovan. He thought that shit was easy. incorrect. He got it, he got it.

You got it. You guys need to be humbled. I don't know why my comic in your head. Next time we have another white dude. Ugh. Who is this? This is DeMontas a bonus. Ew, I know Sabonis from a minute away.

This is Demonsonis. Ew. You came to media day with the almighty comb over this year. Why did nobody call this out? They wet this picture from the face of the internet. He came in with the clear camera cut. Cameron cut, bro. Oh, my God.

Is his hair always this color? Is he like a redhead low key? It looks a little lighter than usual, right? Yeah, he is. Looks like he died.

He was going for the ginger look. Okay, Kare, that's for you. He boils to the side and said, this is my space, Mom. You can let him do that to you?

Oh my God, but yeah, this is a mean skitter boy. cut, bro. This is the prime Justin Bieber era cover when they used to flick their hair like this. You remember when a girl used to trip about him flicking his hair all the time? It's prime Justin Bieber cut. This is the first Latvian skater. Or is Lithuania. Where's he from? I don't know. All right. Next up, you got this guy. Is this? I think I know who this is. Okay. Okay, I'm a guess first. I'm a guess first.

Is this Jalen Green? This is not Jalen Green. Oh, that's where my guess was going. I see where you're going with that, but no, it's not him. Right, he looked, listen, he got, he got the good hair, you know what I'm saying? He got the, similar complexion. I see where you're going with it. I know exactly who this is. This is Rui Chimura. Lock it in.

This is Rui. Yeah, he got that nice hair, Donovan. You're on par. All right, next up, we got. Who is this man? We all know who this is. Who is a love, death? Oh, man.

There's only like, this is an old man. haircut if I ain't seen in my life the skin is crazy I saw I saw somebody the other day said that Chris Paul's the first person to have a hairline but still be bald no he's a second person behind Doc motherfucking rivers

he padded to look that man is he is tattooed he has his hair line is tattoo he needs to go to Turkey today there's a series of small dots oh my God man All right, that's the end of that one.

Before we get out of here, we got one more video for you guys. This one is going to be centered around Victor Wimb and Yama. You know he's popular right now. He's nutmegging people. He's blocking everything in sight. We got to get our clicks in and get the free engagement making a video about him. So how this is going to work is, real simple. I'm going to name a player and I want you guys to tell me if they're going to be better or worse than Victor Wominyama next year.

We're going to get a gauge for how good he's going to be in his rookie year. Listen, spoiler alert He's going to be really good He's going to be better than a lot of players Oh my God, all right I'm here to let's bring us down back to realism Okay I'm going to name some NBA players

You let me know if Victor Wimanjama Is going to be better or worse than them in his rookie year First up, Tyrese maxi He's going to be better Oh my God Come on Listen Maxi The only reason why I'm saying Vic

Is that I think Maxi Depending on what happens with James Hardin Might not get the opportunity to fully grow into his potential, and I think that Victor is going to have all the room in the world to grow into his potential. His defense is already going to be crazy. Yeah, the only way I see this happening

is if he has the same-ish level of office production as Tyrese, which could easily happen, but the defense has to be otherworldly day one, which is good. Yeah, I think this is easy. I think it's easily, Vic. He's going to be legitimately top, what, 15 defense player in the league at minimum, probably going to average 20 points per game on good efficiency.

Easily him. I don't want to say easily Don't disrespect Tyrese It's not about him Vicks is just like the next Great Hall of Fame player Shout out Tyrese But these are different tears

Alright next up we got Palo Bancaro Worst This is tough Paulo that next A second year leap is gonna hit For Paulo Bankero As great as Victor Wimbaugh was

Or is I don't think he has the potential To be an all-star this season Like Paulo can be Oh yeah That's what you're wrong He 100% has a potential To be an all-star this year

Potential definitely has a potential That's what I'm saying I'm going better I think I'm gonna predict Palo Will be an all-star Vic is on the bubble I can see it going either way I

I can we can give it to Vic But I won't be shocked at this palo You need start throwing out some Some names higher on that ESPN list This is not cutting it right now Alright next up Next up we got Oh

This is tough La Mello ball Lemo's gonna be better Let's be real Lemello could easily be an all-star again This year bro So can Wembe Wembe could also be an all-star

Come on Guys All-Star as a 15th seed I will say They're not gonna be the 15th seed I will say 13th Listen they might sneak into the plane

I'm gonna let you know that right now. Oh my God, relax. Are they going to get to this top six? Who knows? Listen. Listen, it's weird to say... I'll say Lamello though.

Yeah, I'll go Lamello, but like, it's weird to say Vic could be better than him as a rookie because he's a rookie, but there's a good chance we're going to see one of the best rookie seasons we've seen in a long time. So I'm not going to hold the rookie thing against him too much. The top of leap, Lamello Ball is going to remind everyone just how good any elite he is and he deserves and he belongs in every elite of elite conversation as an NBA player. Yeah, I don't know if I'd say a lead of the elite I don't think he's gonna be like a top 10 player

But I agree he's gonna make a big jump to surprise people this year So I'll go Lamello Next up We got Jaron Jackson Jr. Oh man, the defensive player of the year Will he? Listen, we all think Webby's gonna be that level of defender

Jaron already is You already average of 20, I don't know This is this is just comes down two, whoever gets more rebounds is the better player. That's what comes down to. Because they're going to be grabbing him like that. Exactly. So if you want to be better, grab more rebounds.

Where are we going? Ah, man. Who will be better? I'm a lean, Jaron. I don't want to set insane expectations for Victor, but he could easily surpass Jaron if he's like that day one. Yeah, I think if everything clicks right, we're talking about someone who's in the running for DPOI very soon,

and average is a good 20 to 22 on high efficiency. I think Jaron is like what Wembe should hope for your one. Man, I'm going to Wemby. I'm going to Wemby. I hope so, man. All right, next up. James Harden. Now, Wemby.

Wemby. Come on. This is not a bit of discussion. I don't even know this man is going to be playing basketball this season. What are you going to do? He's going to be chilling in Houston, partying. Over at Trudeburg is with Bumby. He's still yelling out

Darry is a liar He's going to be He's going to be right for the rooftops I mean Hardin's still an All-Star It's probably still Hardin But not for long I don't know man

Moral purposes And how we just Brings bad vibes to the team I'm definitely sticking with Wimby bro Alright man That's the end of that Oh no one more Carl Anthony Towns

That's the end of the show Everybody knows how this is going to end. This ends with Victor Wenbanyama. And the clear-cut better player than Carl Anthony Towns. Clear-cut. That's crazy. This is the top five center in the league, my guys. Day one.

I'm sorry that you guys have to win this. We can wait a week. Tell me the last time you saw somebody seven feet tall, nut mega guard. This man, listen, this man plays defense the way other people play on 2K, where you just take the center and you just roam around and stop.

everything. That's him in real life. He's shutting everything down. You're already immediately a better defensive player than cat without question. For sure. Will the offense be there day one? I don't really know. Oh no. I'm listening. Cat dropped 60 a couple years ago.

Give me cat. Wait, wait, say that again? Cat dropped 60 a couple years ago. A couple years ago. We don't care about that anymore. This is right now. This is Wendy's time and he will be better. Alright, man That's the end of that segment

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