The Deep 3 Podcast - Predicting The Winner Of EVERY NBA Playoff Series | Ep. 32

Episode Date: April 14, 2023

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Guys, the NBA playoffs are finally here. Woo! Today we're going to go and cover the entire first round, predict every single series, tell you who we think we're going to fail, who's going to rise and make a deep run. It's going to be great. It's about time.

It's about time. I'm ready to get to this playoff. You know what it's also time for, Isaac and Donovan? So I don't know what the fans remember. Way back in one of our very first episodes, Donovan and I made a deal. Over $100. You're not getting that money.

I was lying You're instilling this into our audience right now All right, so You're a role model 35,000 teenagers looking up to you And you're going to disappoint him If Charles Barkley's not a role model I'm not a role model

Wow I'm not doing For those who don't know Donovan made a bet with Mo that the Hawks Wouldn't make the playoffs He said that'd be a playing team And they'd lose And as you know

If you're watching this in the present day The Hawks won their playing game beat the living shit out of the Miami heat and here we are but that's the thing they didn't even like listen it was a dog it was the most it was the least dominant dominant when I've ever seen they blew a they blew a 24 point lead what it wasn't it wasn't a great win I still stand today I was right about the Atlanta Hawks they were oh for sure you were they were they were a playing team they were they were a playing team and they were mid and mo was out here saying that they were going to be top four in the east which they weren't they were five

still you're still wrong they weren't they just weren't a good team and they had a season high 22 offensive rebounds i could not have i could not have predicted that it was the best game that they have played all season long congratulations you guys still suck it real quick you guys still suck and you're going to get trounce by the subject yes let's go ahead and talk about this game uh the miami heat or the miami heat like like everyone respects them to a certain point indigree because of yeah i would say a little bit too not even a little bit too much because their rosters are straight up bad and the illinois hawks point blank period just have more talent and then for some reason bam out of bio when the postseason comes he just turns into whatever prime

version of kendrick perkins come to your mind he's that and uh as for like jimmy butler people have stinker games and stuff like that i don't think he was necessarily asked who's just missing layups and whatnot usually that he gets and collects but overall like the hawk He played a good-ass game. Quinn Snyder, he put on a magnificent showing. Trey Young didn't force it. He didn't hit as many threes and have it and, like, have. He had a good game, but not a fantastic game.

Put up 25, 8, and 7. Yeah, that's good. But for Trey Young's standards, you know, and he didn't have a phenomenal game. But he paced himself really well, but mainly the biggest part with the Atlanta Hawks is that, like, everybody contributed it in a major way. We have, in my mind, the best big man combo off of the bench and starting in Click & Pella and on Yoku Kongwu destroyed the boards. As we all know, John Collins is doing, was actually like contributing, hitting shots, hitting threes or whatnot.

Jalen Johnson, when you, this is why I hated Nate McMillan so much. He was getting DnPs. DnPs, okay? And then he steps into a playing game. This dude's basically a run. Rocky still, all right? A play in game. And he has that type of impact. He's a big body. He's a big body forward who can handle the rock and just do things all across the board except for shooting really well. And that's insanely valuable. The impact that he had was night

and day, bro. So it's all around the Hawks were hitting on all cylinders, bro. Hawkins are calling him Ben Simmons with a jump shot. It's crazy. All. Yeah, that's crazy. They were, they were, they went. All cylinders? Every cylinder. Yes. Okay. Let me let me really let me tell you something Real quick, real quick, Isaac, before you get into that, I am going to tell you why they weren't hitting on all cylinders. Three point percentage, the hawk shot 24% from three. Free throw percentage, free throw percentage,

they shot 59% from three. They had more fouls, less steals, got, listen, they dominated on the boards. That's where they won the game. Do not sit here and act like Atlanta thoroughly outplayed Miami. They won on the boards. and that's how they got the job done. Again, 22 offensive rebounds, crazy,

but they still are incapable of putting together a complete game. So all these things, but you say, like, oh, everybody stepped up, no. No, no, it's a lot. Okay. That's a lot. That's hate. That's hate. That's hate.

That's hate. That's a lot. You're 24% from three, and now I'm the hater. 24% from three, and oh my gosh, they, they, they, they were hitting on all cylinders they literally weren't they literally weren't hitting on all cylinder it's so funny because you're right but the hater in your voice is so funny yeah like that i don't like i just don't like the way that you're saying you when i say hitting on all cylinders like it's a playing make shots and miss shots that that doesn't matter when i say and they missed

a lot of shots like they're all coming into my name is more that's how we won what do you mean by that it's basketball who cares all right that's the game of that's the name of the game we hit more than them and that's what you won and we got more stops as well as he was going to quite quotation marks because you know what I'm saying Jimmy had an off game but I'm gonna be a truth about this game

I'm gonna be a truth of yes a truther who's a hundred dollars short I already told you you're not getting that money it's staying with me staying with me aside from the hater side of it there is something truth but Donovan is saying that

a lot of the Hawks mean they did the job well they won the game but a lot of that was more about Miami losing it and you You mentioned Jimmy Butler just kept missing layups. Him and Bam out of bio missed the most just like point-blank lamps I've ever seen from a star duo in a playoff game.

It was ridiculous. And out of everyone to step up, you're telling me, Kyle Lorry, who's been certified buns for like majority of the season has been going crazy. He came to a three high. I mean,

this season high, it's crazy. Bro, like for a second, I was scared, Genomey, of course. I think a lot of Hawks fans came up with this game. Like,

Okay, win or lose, like, you know, we're holding your head high regards with the fact because we know it. We know what the season is. But, like, what is the season? Miami. This is such a blow of victory take. Oh, my goodness. This, look, he's so sick. There's a real victory, too.

You're so sick, and I love it. I love it, man. No, I'm, you know what? I'm disgusted. I'm disgusted. I don't know if there's been, like, this is, this is a hundred percent top three most disgusted I've been all season long. She has the hot

I just like I don't know if there's been another game that has made me just like Turn my stomach And at everything that I saw Just because Wow Why I think

Why is the other playing game Which we transitioned to Was the most disgusting game I've ever seen in my life It was the most unsurious basketball ever And what we're talking about Obviously is the Lakers Playing the Minnesota Timberwolves

Oh my God What did y'all think about this embarrassing, unsirious, goofy-ass game we saw. Neither team deserved to win. I don't know what happened

the last, like, Anthony Davis, how many times is he going to mess up in the last 10 seconds of the game on a three-point shot?

He just has too many of these moments. It's just like, it's, that happened, the turnovers. I still don't have words. It's been days

and I still don't have words. I'm sure you're spitting. But he's watching that game was. But he's cutting out right now. Yeah. Donovan's Wi-Fi is trash. Yeah, while his Wi-Fi gets it together. This is awful.

Okay, he's back. My Wi-Fi is cooked today. But yeah, Anthony Davis made a big blunder. He fouled when they were up three after Dennis Shruder hit a should-be-winning three. He fouled. It hit Mike Connolly in the corner who had all three free throws. Send him to overtime. In that overtime, LeBron turned the ball over six times.

Anthony Edwards missed 20. six shots, cats stood around did nothing. It was just a game of basketball that nobody wanted to win because everybody was tired as hell the whole time. It was ridiculous. Yeah, absolutely. I felt like they were throwing the game to each other to see who wanted it to hope to see who wanted

it more, but neither really wanted it at all. And we were at the we were at Taco Mac watching this, Isaac, and like the whole energy of the bar was like it was rocky. Nothing was consistent. Nothing was consistent overall, bro. And like at least like

every two minutes during gameplay not even two minutes 45 seconds we heard a oh my god just some crazy ass wacky play happening yeah it got his the point where they got the point where i was watching i thought they're going to lose because they were down big in the first half they came back they got up then they lost it and they came back and it got to the point where it was so up and down and like i said before it just goofy i was just back and joined the ride laughing at how hilarious the game was. Yeah, absolutely. And it was like a March Madness-esque type game. Yeah, exactly. It has the same exact feel. I think this is the whole point of playing. You just don't know what will happen at the end of the day. We saw the Toronto Raptors play against the Chicago Bulls and give up like a 20-something

point lead. It was a big-ass lead. And then shout out to DeMarter. We're not going to get into that game because it is what it is. But this is just what the playing is. This is what we all should expect from all these types of teams, you know? I guess so the point in this episode is, talk about the playoff series that are coming up so with that in mind does your opinion on the lakers change after this game or is it just like a one-off ridiculous game no it kind it kind of changes it a little bit i i thought that yes yes and the the main thing that the main thing listen stuff happens but the main thing that like that i saw was a lebron he played LeBron played an enormous amount of minutes.

He is not going to be able to do that every single night in the playoffs. And if he has to do that, if he, like, if LeBron has to do this in game one against the Grizzlies, you can just cut game two out. Like, that's not happening. I don't know, I don't know if he's going to have the stamina to make it through two months. And especially as you start to try and get to like the later rounds, I don't know if LeBron's going to have enough in the tank to put everything on his back offensively the way that he did in the playing game and kind of carry the Lakers like I don't know if

LeBron is at the point anymore where he can at will just say okay like I'm going to win this game and then we can expect that night in and night out so I so I'm kind of a little bit more skeptical of the Lakers going into the playoffs I see what you mean yeah I mean we saw that too right at the end of that game LeBron played like trash for LeBron standards he had the most ridiculous turnover just throwing it out of bounds throwing it to the other team because he was was clearly so fatigued. So I see what you mean. I'm not that concerned because I think it was a poor performance

by Darvin Ham when I came to that. He needs to do a better job with his lineups. And he was like, you said Delo got benched for like most of the second half. I get why I did that. Deel wasn't playing good, but you have to have a little more faith in your roster than just sticking with your main five guys

who you had before the trade deadline as he showed in that game. And also, LeBron was not passing the ball to AD at all in that fourth quarter of overtime. I was like, who did that pass it to E. Passes to AD

LeBron is throwing out of balance And AD's like nice I'm sure when they watch the film That they'll see that And LeBron know he's always talking about He needs to feed AD His team whatever all the stuff He says to motivate him

I have faith to do a better job That going forward Yeah absolutely That's I mean listen He's gonna have to Because if there's no way That I can see LeBron Putting up like

You know 2018 LeBron type stats for an entire playoff and they are consistently winning like if lebron is putting up 36 every single night i would bet that the lakers are either going to be down in the series of like they're coming back from from big uh deficits like it's we're at the point where anthony davis should should be the number one like we've kind of asked for this progression throughout like this is always the plan like ad eventually takes over we're at that point where like you need ad to take over and he's played well this entire

play phenomenally. That's what I'm saying this entire season especially down the stretch. We're at that point where he needs to be a hundred percent option one and he needs to be the one carrying LeBron and so I just if we see that I have faith in the Lakers right now I'm I still have a couple questions I need to see it in

this first round and AD did AD played great yesterday it was just a matter of honestly it was LeBron's performance in the fourth quarter of the last game that kind of you know there was the give and take with him playing great bringing him back in the game and then also So it costs him in the end. And it's LeBron. You're not going to get that very often, right?

Like, nobody's going to go into it thinking, like, oh, was LeBron not? I guess you think that. You said does LeBron have enough left in the tank? But it's like, we know LeBron's going to make higher IQ plays on a normal basis. So now, I guess the bigger question is, we know who they're playing, the second-seated Memphis Grizzlies. And I want to know how do you think they match up against the Grizzies? And also do you think they can actually, quote-unquote, upset. the grisies who are without

Brandon Clark and Stephen. Let's get into this. You're right. So let's let this be the first playoff series you preview. Because we're going to go one by one. Okay. I think that the Los Angeles Lakers are going to win in six. Six. Okay. Six games. Oh, what the hell, man.

They're going to win in home. I think they're going to win in six as well. What the hell? Donovan, what are you thinking? I think the Memphis Grizzlies win in seven. I knew you're going to say that. I wouldn't be surprised with that either. So I guess I'll go first. I think they're going to win simply because Stephen Adams and Brandon Clark are both hurt. It's like it's the most obvious thing, but it's what's it come down to? If everybody was whole, I think the Grizzlies play winning like five, like they are clearly the better

team. But the reason the Grizzies are good is they're huge. They win on the boards. They're leading the league in offensive rebounding. Stephen Adams is incredible with that. They beat you with high IQ defensive plays. They win the turnover battle. Do all the nitty-gritty stuff while being led by their star ball handler and jaron jackson and devson bain to be fair to them but without that when you lose two of your three bigs and you're going against a team who is number one in drawing fouls and your defense player of the year big man has an issue with that they're the best rim pressure team in the NBA they're the only team that's going to be bigger than you and play a bigger brand of bully basketball than you i just don't see they're going to need a master class in john morant

against a legitimately very young or 18 to 7 over the last 26 games yeah like the main thing for me is like the only way I see the Memphis Grizzies having a chance on a consistent basis is if they're just straight up running and gunning, which the Lakers can do, but like I don't think they prefer to play that type of solid basketball compared to like, yeah, compared to someone like a John Moran and Desmond Bain who are flying all over the place at all times with Jaron Jackson just coming out of nowhere and doing the most wackiest shit at his size. But like other than that, I just don't see many ways just like you. and like if Jaws is going to like do something and like try to reestablish who he is to the

NBA you know um he has to put up like their average like 30 35 to be able to overcome this and jaron jackson junior like he has to be on 10 toes and not be in foul trouble and like you said like i don't believe that that will happen because he's had this issue since he was in fucking high school yeah before donovan gets going with the other side about why they might lose. I think you're 100% right that the way that the Grizzies can win is by pushing the pace because the Lakers are, I think, the top five half-court defense, but a bottom 10 fast break defense. They're just not good at defending transition.

But I don't think it's even really going to matter if they get the points there because, like you said, Jaws and I have to go off. And the Lakers are going to defend him by plain drop coverage, making him beat them by going, they're going to go over screens, say you've got to beat some mid-range jump shots or get to the room against Anthony Davis. if Anthony Davis is defending the pick and roll and it's basically John Morant has to make a bunch of floaters over AD

I'm going to lean against the Lakers and then I'm just thinking about what they want to do at John Morant on the defensive end as well and just like the nature of these types of like playoff settings sure you can try to hide job but I don't know how successful you're going to be maybe I don't know who you hide him on maybe Vanderbilt but that's even nasty work just thinking about that

so I'm just thinking about the number that LeBron and AD and I don't want to ideal because I I just think it's going to be very hard for Jha in this series to overcome the Lakers on a consistent basis. Yeah. Okay.

Listen, all fair points. I disagree. And for a couple reasons. One, you guys talk about the pace. That's one of the things that I'm leaning on for Memphis in this series. I think that because you don't have

Brandon Clark, because you don't have Stephen Adams. you are going to have to rely on Jai to push the pace to get things going up and down the floor. So I think that Memphis is going to do that. Secondly, we talk about Jai a lot being like a 60 version of Zion and just this unstoppable force and somebody who can get to the rim at will. We've seen it plenty of times before against great shot blockers against great rim defenders. Jaya's one of those guys and his talent and his athletic.

allows him to get to the rim kind of at will and so I think that I don't think like I don't think AD is going to completely shut him down when we're talking about Josh now yeah yeah so I think I think I think Josh still going to be semi successful in that in that area and then lastly like when you look at that playing game Anthony Edwards played what probably the worst game of his career right a lot of other things went right for the Grizzlies they were they were shooting very, very well in the first half. Carl Anthony Towns didn't miss a shot for like his first eight or nine shots.

Like a lot of stuff was going well. But the star, Anthony Edwards was not playing the way that he needed to. I was waiting for a concussion report to come out or something like that. I didn't see nothing. Yeah. And listen, he was he was playing bad before he had that like scary

weird fall. But it was kind of clear afterwards. And people were talking about how his like second half performance was probably an indication of him hurting on that shoulder just because of how passive he was being in the jump shots that he was summoning for but i think jah and does i think jah is going to be able to get to the rim i think desmond bane is going to be able to knock down enough shots and then juren jackson it's a big if to ask him to stay out of foul trouble but all the rim pressure that los angeles gets that's why you have jaren jackson

that's what you have the d p o y to defend the room so i think that they are in a very good position to counter everything that los angeles does you know so So that's why I'm taking Memphis. I see what you mean. I think the best argument, too, for Memphis, if I'm playing the other side, is with Dylan Brooks and Jaron Jackson, Dylan Brooks starts on LeBron, Jaron, Jaron Jackson on AD. They won't start that way. They're going to start with Jaron offball so you can do his roaming defense stuff.

But if they go to that look, that's like the best two defenders you can think of to switch a LeBron AD pick and roll. And, you know, that's how the Lakers offense starts and stops with that pick and roll. And if you can neutralize that, you're going to beat them. So really could put, then again, like we're talking about the foul thing. The Lakers are by far the best foul drawing team in the NBA. Like that starts you off with a huge advantage every game against a team who isn't good at not defouling. So like even if we could say that Jared is a perfect guy to defend these guys, sure, until he fouls twice in the first quarter.

You know what I mean? Yeah, that's exactly. That's, that's fair. There's also the DeAngelo Russell aspect to all of this. And the last time that we saw DeAngelo Russell in the playoffs series, I again. against these same Memphis Grizzlies, he was trash. And so I expect him to be better because it's hard to be worse than what he was. But if he's not hitting shots consistently, if Rui is not hitting shots like they,

the Lakers are going to need consistent three-point shooting from D.Lo, from Reeves, from Rui, guys like that in the rotation. And if Memphis is able to close out on a lot of those guys and get them two to three percentage points lower than what they usually are at, I think they're going to be in a pretty good spot to win this. Again, I see, I see everything that you guys are talking about. I think, I think I would trust, like in a vacuum, maybe trust LeBron and AD, just because they are probably, they are the two most talented players on the floor.

But I think Memphis has enough of a good infrastructure to overcome the loss of Stephen Adams and Brandon Clark. And so I think they get it, I think they get it done. only way that I see the Memphis Grizzies like overcoming the Lakers like something that will play a heavy part of course all those things make sense what you say and I agree with you like 100% but like Jaron Jackson Jr. over the last like 2018 games he's like evolved and he's arrived offensively and like when I was watching him as a prospect back in 2018 that's been like my main thing for him like defensively he's it and like that that's is going to be his forte but on the offensive in, I've always seen that glimpse in that glare and all started with his shot,

that weird, wacky shot that he has. Whenever he shoots, it looks like he's heaving a half-court shot. And the ball handling is, well, super interesting things. And over the last 18 games, he's averaging 23, 24 points a game, shooting almost 40% from 3, shooting 53% from the field. And if this run that he's been on can carry over, And if he can give the Los Angeles, Lakers, another layer of like, okay, he's a serious threat that we have to worry about. So we have to stop him, jaw, and also the 20 points per game that Desmond Vane is almost guaranteed to throw at us.

Now that's just another layer of like, okay, I can see where the issues start to lie. But I don't know if I trust Jaron yet. The one prediction I'm willing to say with certainty is that Jaron's scoring is going to be a little down to series. I mentioned that Anthony Davis is like the guy that can stop the Jaws game where no sober line on flotters when he gets to the rim if you cut him off and hit those flatters every time.

80's the best of defending that. 80s also like the perfect defensive matcher for Jaron because like you said, Jaron's main offensive weapon is at ball handling. He's really similar to Carlton Towns on offense where he'll stretch you out, he'll do pick and pop to make you defend his three-point shot and then when you close out hard, he's faster than every big

and he'll take you out the dribble. He's not faster than Anthony Davis. He's not taking Anthony Davis. give us off the dribble so as long as anthony davis is on the court healthy he's going to be able to stifle those two way more than most teams we'll see what this is going to be a good series this is probably going to be like my one of my favorites series because i think it's going to be the closest series outside of this could be a transitioning point but i don't know if you're on to but uh the golden state warriors versus the sacrament of yeah let's talk about it okay yeah

it's a good it's a good second series to go to if laa versus memphis is the most interesting in the west this is this has got to be number two right yeah kind of like to number one number one no i don't i don't i don't you start off what is your prediction for the series we're getting the words in five worries in five

that's not very big team what's not very game team of you i need i need everybody to understand the hierarchy of my mind right it goes it goes it goes it goes cobi britt it goes carmelo anthony and it goes step curry i i i trust

i trust step kirk with everything and they have dominated the kings trust stepcourt more than god oh my goodness bro i did not say that i listen the warriors have dominated the kings for years now they went three and one in the season series this year i think everything that sacramento has done has been fantastic de erin de erin fox has been amazing in the clutch so bonus is a great fulcum to that offense. However, this is the Warriors in the playoffs in the first round against a very, very unexperienced team. And Wiggins is coming back as well. They're going to, their, their perimeter defense is going to be better. This series is going to be very up and down. And I don't care who's

on the other side. If we're talking about a shootout, I'm taking Steph Curry. I just, I'm taking Steph Curry. I'm taking Clay Thompson. I'm taking Jordan Poole. And I think this is going to be very up and down, but Golden State is going to, there's going to be one close game that, like, it's probably going to be like game four, where the series can either go two, two, or it's going to go three one. And I think that the Warriors, because we've seen it time and time again in the season, then being able to pull wins out of nothing, out of nowhere, they're going to be able to close down the stretch in one of these playoff games, and they are going to be able to turn the series

their way, and so I will take them. Okay. I'm going to go, I agree. I'm also in Golden State, but I'm going to go Golden State in seven. I think Sacramento is going to have a far better resistance to the Golden State attack than you think. I agree when it comes down to it, Golden State. They're going to win especially because they have Andrew Wiggins back. I think the data says it, if they have Andrew Wiggins and they have their full five-man lineup they want out there,

they are an absolutely dominant team nearly as good as last year. The problem is they haven't been healthy at all this year, so that's why we haven't seen that and why they're certifiably mid. But with Wiggins coming back, he's a confident bench to first start the series. If, which is a big if

because he hasn't played a long time, if he can provide what you would think Andrew Wiggins provides, this team is going to be impossible for Sacramento to stop on defense. Having DeMontes-a-Sabonis have to, one, defend these off-ball screens

that makes Golden State go running around, but two defend Steph-Carrie picking roles where you can't play drop because he's Steph-Curray, the best shooter of all time. And if DeMontes-Sibonis' big slow-footed ass comes up to the level of the screen and has to stop.

highlighted you're all over house of highlights it's going to be painful it's at the point where in that coverage if they make de monta's a bonus play high on these screens they know they can't stop it they're just betting that they can make some corner three-pointers miss and they can hope they can score more points they don't have a chance in hell of getting a stop yeah absolutely i agree with you a hundred and ten percent um and that's why i have the warriors not in five not a seven but i have the warriors in six i'm giving the king's respect because like okay you're in like the absolute worst case scenario I think this is this probably I don't want to say is the worst matchup that you could add but it's a pretty damn tough matchup no it's the worst one I'm giving them but I'm giving them respect because like they're going to give the warriors a lot of issues too um just like they've been everyone giving everyone else in the entire league to montesabon subon is going to like he asked kevonne lutey kevonne lune to guard him and also did raymond who's also fucking of course like top world world class defender and all that but there's certain like the warriors have to ramp up to speed they haven't played all like

this is the healthiest that they've been all season long yeah this and you're about to be enter the playoffs like you're about into the playoffs for the first day with your entire squad and I just see like the the margin of the margin usually like when it comes to having a three and six seed like there's always a gap before this there's no there's realistically no gap at all because Warriors the Warriors, you know what I'm saying, and all that stuff. But I just don't see, sadly, a world where they can overcome this big of a mountain, having Clay the healthiest he's been in like three, four years. He's back. He's really good again.

He's back fully. And that's why I'm like, Wiggins, it doesn't really matter what Wiggins gives you on the offensive. I wouldn't say that. Because Clay's, like, he's fully back. I would, I would say that because as long as he's good defensively and he's rebounding and all that little stuff, you have Jordan Poole back there who's a great matchup against the Sacramento Kings I love this matchup for them but I don't love it enough to say that they're going to go ahead and like gentlemen sweeper okay well let me tell you why it matters from to me because

I said they're in seven so clearly I think Sacramento has a chance if you go to a game seven you have a chance of winning if Golden State doesn't have Andrew Wiggins back like we say that you just said that normally in a three six matchup there's a bigger gap there and this one's kind of even empirically it's not even at all I mean if we're talking about the whole 82 games we just saw Sacramento was a way better team we're just saying it's better because you know we're saying their health we're assuming

they're going to be healthy and they're going to look at the Warriors we know they can be but we have to give the respect to the fact that there's no can with Sacramento we know how good they are if the Warriors don't make this jump that we are giving them off of pure clout then Sacramento has a better offense they're a better rebounding team the defense

is better for Golden State but they haven't been the typical Golden State defense so someone like DeMont de Sabonis is the exact type of a big that can give golden state trouble if we'll see what their defensive game plan is they have draymond green so you're always have a good chance of figuring it out but a big bruising big who's going to get 15 rebounds and beat you up down low and get kvon looney into foul trouble that's a recipe to give the warrior's trouble okay i i i understand however i kind of agree with moe that i don't i don't think it matters too too much what you give from wiggins offensively i think i think in this

I think in this first series, all you need from him is defense because the offense is going to be manufactured just by the style of play, right? Like, Golden State, Golda State in the regular season had, they were the fastest playing team in the league. They had the highest pace. Out of all the playoff teams, Sacramento has the worst defensive rating out of all of them. They have the seventh worth defensive rating in the entire league, right? So the offense is going to be there.

So I think, like, you're talking about the, about the, we're aspiring this because of clout it's it's half clout but it's also like i've seen you guys do it before right and so it's like it's also off of off of results and the results this season because andrew wigginson has missed a lot of games and the warriors have been up and down all season and yet they've still dominated the season series with sacramento so i think that they are in a very advantageous position coming into the series for sure for sure warriors Which is why I picked them, too. Like, I agree.

Yeah. It's just, you have to, I think when you're playing the best offense in the NBA, you can never say, we don't, the office doesn't matter from a key player, you know? Like, there's, you're talking about margin for error. When you're playing the best offense that you're not particularly well suited to the stop, like, you know, there's some teams that are better at stop. Like, if the Lakers were playing the Kings and they have Anthony Davis to go at Sabonis, you'd say like, oh, okay, well, they're well suited to neuter what makes the,

the king's defense go the warriors for everything that makes them great that's not them they're not they don't have a particular matchup advantage on defense so i just don't think you can discount anything they need everything they can get on offense i think that's understandable and that's very fair going back to donovan's point about saying like we've seen this warriors version before do special things it's very true and we've seen the warriors this season at the same time like literally very unspecial level type of basketball whenever they're not at home And so all this series comes down to, quite literally, is can they steal a game or two at home? And if you have them winning five, Donovan, then you're expecting them to, like, easily, like, steal two games at home, you know?

And I don't know if I have 100% trusted them because over there at Sacramento was, it's, it's crazy over there. Easily one of the, like, it's crazy, but it's nothing, it's nothing that the Warriors haven't seen over the last eight years, you know? Like, nothing that Sacramento is going to throw at, damn, nothing that they throw at Golden State is going to be like, oh my gosh, what is this? They have been in the finals like six,

six times or I don't know the exact number, but they've been to the finals a lot over the last decade. I promise you they're going to be prepared for everything. Steph Curry is going to be fine. We talk about Clay Thompson being back. You have a healthy Splash Brothers with Dremont Green in the first round of the playoffs. We, I think we're like, I want to give as much respect to Sacramento,

life of being, beam team, everything. Like, they had a fantastic season. They are not going to be a, like, huge, huge match. I don't see the series going to seven. I would be shocked if it was like, I wouldn't be shocked if it went to six, but it would be in, I guess, like, an easy six to where, like, the Warriors were up three, one, and then gave away game five and then come back in one game six. But, like, I see them being a 3-1 minimum.

Okay. I think I see the disagreement here. I would agree with you if we saw, if the Warriors right now were like the best version we think they could be with Wiggins, like if they had been healthy for a month, then I agree. But Wiggins is going to come off the bench at first. We're not, you're saying we're having like this healthy splash rush, Draymond with the team around them.

We think, but, you know, it'll be like the first game with they're healthy. So it's going to take some time. I just don't see them be immediately consistent enough. I think they'll be consistent enough to win the series, but it's not going to be pretty. I think, ironically, the team they play in the second round is going to be better. If the Warriors win the series, they're going to have an easier time in the second round because they'll have that time to ramp up. This will be the hardest it'll be for the most postseason, I think. Interesting take.

Okay, okay. Because Wiggins, he's to play 24 minutes off the bench of the first game. That's fair. That's fine. It's okay. It is okay. the way the way that the kings play they invite you to score points and so like offensively golden state is going to walk into a lot of buckets and for the king's team i'm not that worried about about dion fox he's been clutch all season long i'm not that worried about about subonis grab a rebounds and doing subonist things we're talking about kegan murray who's a rookie never never been to to the playoffs let's see what he can do kevon herder let's see what he can do on the road i don't know that he's been into big games but he also has a lot of stuff to do malik monk still has to be

consistent i'm really trying to test sacramento's role players in this series and i want to see what they can do on the road because again and even though that some of them have been there before in other stops and so that may like discredit some of the stuff that i'm saying i understand that but you still have to do it in this uniform as the sacramento king yeah and i'm And I'm not sure about it. So that's what I'm taking cold state. Yeah, I heard a stat yesterday that in Sacramento's wins, Malik Monk is shooting 40% from 3. In their losses, he's shooting in 23%.

So it shows how reliant they are on three-point shooting from people like him and Herder, who are not the most consistent shooters in the world. Yeah. So I see your point. Let's move on to the 30 series you got to talk about in the West. The Clippers versus Phoenix. This is going to be good. This is going to be a good series, man.

I wish Paul George is healthy, man. He might be, if he goes long, if the series goes long, he might be back. Yeah, I mean, it'll go probably at least six, I would assume, even without Paul George. So good chance we see him in the back half. Now you got it. Donovan's internet is cutting out again. Love that. I'm sure he's snapper right now.

Yeah, she's cooking. He's fucking cooking with gas. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I was quiet. I was, I'm,

I'm, like we were saying, this series is for sure going to go at least six, I think. Even without Paul George, I think. Simply because

Kauai Leonard is back to being Kauai Leonard. He's him. Absolutely him with thee. And for everything we're talking about with the sons, I think we all agree.

They're our favorites to get out of the West. It's kind of like the Warriors where they're not the best version they're going to be in the first round. They're going to need some time.

So when you're going against Kauai Leonard, you know, there's a lot of room there for the Clippers to make it an interesting series. But I think it's going to be Sons and Six. What do you all think? I agree. I agree. And it's funny that you said that Kauai is him. That's literally what I wrote down in my notes. I wrote Playoff Kauai is him in all caps.

And so, like, that's why I think that's why I think the Clippers can push Phoenix. Since the PG injury, right, underrated, the Clippers eighth, eighth, best offensive rating it in the league so like westbrook exactly listen that's no really it is west but yeah it's because he's because russ has played well and it's because kawai has turned into like you know prime kawai offensively so i think that they can that they can find some spots to to push phoenix but overall like the sons just have too much talent it's just it's hard when you have chris paul running the break and you have devon booker on one side and kevin right on the other and i don't think that the clippers are going to have enough firepower to match

So I'll take Sons in 6. Yeah. Yeah, I think what it comes down to is the Clippers are, actually, actually, did you say, what do you have? So, Kauai over the last 18 games, been averaging 27 points shooting 53% from the field and 47% from 3. He has been snapping. Pretty good. This is elite level of basketball. And, but sadly, throughout all this, you know, I don't know how much I trust play.

off Russell Westbrook. Regular season, Russell Westbrook and playoff Russell Westbrook are two completely different players. But regards to the fact you still have Kauai and the Clippers have options. They don't have all their options because Paul George is out like you said earlier. So I, but I honestly want to say, I just think that the sons, what they have cooking so far, CP3 has been amazing. Devin Booker averaging like damn near 30 game, best second option in the entire NBA. And then I don't have to say anything about who Kevin Duran is. You who Kevin Duran is I have the Sonson 5

5 oh 5 yeah I think yeah who's gonna guard these three bro Eric Gordon Kawai he can't go to everyone though he can guard two people at once he's that good I think the problem is I think the clippers are still very respectable without Paul George

and against most opponents I would say they like if they play the Kings I'd be like listen it's gonna be a fucking series but I think the problem is they're at their best when they can be versatile and go small. Like we've seen for the past few years, right? Like when they can stretch you out

and put a shooter at the five and really play modern, modern basketball, that's their best. Yeah, but they can't do that against his team. They can do it against the sons, but they're not going to have the advantages you would get against most teams. Because the son's can simply stay big

with Aidan, who, he's listening, he's not here defending on the perimeter like a guard, but he's not slow-footed, he's not getting burnt, you're not putting Marcus Morris at center and having some advantage on him like it's not happening and Kevin Durant

he's not the biggest guy in the world but as a four he's giving you enough shot blocking that those two combined you're getting none to benefit the spacing because they can move and you're getting beat up down low because you're not scoring at the rim against those two yeah exactly I think the only way

like realistically speaking that the that the Los Angeles Clippers are able to either prolong this series more than I initially think they will be able to or even potentially upset which I think they can't as if like their death starts to kick in and like if kD struggles in this series or CP3 just has straight stinkers or even if he gets hurt which is like it wouldn't come it won't be to anyone's surprise that's where I'm like okay I can see a world

and where like collide goes ahead and takes over the series completely and the and like because of certain circumstances like injuries the job is a lot easier to get done but overall I just don't see how this is a favorable matchup other than that like they have depth and that's it that's it and go why

yeah it's not looking good for them I'm trying to think it's not looking good but who's gonna be their initial uh... Devin Booker defender that's what I'm asked when I'm like literally

pleading Trey man like you mean Taryn's man what is it? Yeah my bad Taryn's man it's interesting because they have so many lineup options

to a ridiculous degree I don't know who they're going to start And towards the end of the year They were leaning more towards Nick Batum Yeah, the close of season Doesn't make sense to start them in this series Maybe they put Nick Batum on Haiti And Kawhi on Devin Booker

I don't know I think they still have to They have a lot of options Ty Lou is going to have to get really creative Because this series should not be a wash It cannot be a wash This team is too talented Kauai Leonard is way too damn talented

They get washed in five I should go six But I'm predicting in five I don't really know, bro. There's just a lot, a lot of, like, because Paul George's in the defensive impact and just his versatility when it comes to how many players you can guard CP, Devin Booker, Katie, not saying he can stop them all, but, like, have an extra body out there who's one of the best edit of what he does over the last 10 years, like, it's going to leave

a mark and it's going to hurt. And I think that's more so, like, my biggest issue defensively with them. Yeah. Yeah. the clippers are 10th in mid-range volume allowed so not like it's there are the hugest weakness in the world but against a team that's going to shoot more mid-ranges than any team that you've ever seen it's not the best starting point you know i guess i guess i guess i guess not i have faith in kawai though and to answer to answer you a question before i think i would

put kawai on on devon booker to to start i think devon booker has clearly been the most comfortable son offensively and if you can like Durant Durant is going to do what he is going to do right like regardless of like who's playing defense on him he's going to get to his spot he's going to rise up it's an unblockable shot I think if you can get Devin Booker out of his rhythm and he's playing you know if you can you can get Kauai to get some steals there and kind of slow that part down and now because Devin moves around so much If Phoenix has to go, if they have to start going to Kevin Durant, they're going to play slower, right? Because Kevin Durant, he's going to get the ball in the post.

He's going to, he's going to take a, you know, he's going to take a while. They can get a couple of possessions back if they can keep Devin Booker, like, from going hot. So I would start, I would start there and then make adjustments from that point on. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. There's not much to say about the series. I think it would be far more interesting if Paul George is healthy, but we, I feel we should assume he's not going to play most of the series.

Yes. And if that's the case, it's just hard to imagine, no matter how much depth they have. They're going to have the simply not going to have no firepower, right? Yeah, exactly. I hate all these injuries, like when it comes to the Knicks and Julius Randall and then Paul George, of course, as well, because I felt like this series playhouse was supposed to be complete gas and it's still going to be gas, but it's like, damn, these injuries

kind of deflated my excitement, just a little bit by like 1%. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, nobody likes injuries, right? Like, it's always the name of the game. It's the worst part of it. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely fucking moving. To round out the Western Conference, all we have left is the 1-8 matchup,

so we don't know who's going to be 8 yet. It's either going to be OKC. Who's going to be a steam roll behind the Denver Nuggets? That's a real question. Shout to O'KC. They won their first playing game yesterday. Incredible performance, such a young core. Shays him.

Shays and Giddy went nuts. Josh Giddy's absolutely him. You were his biggest hater. Fuck off. I was not his biggest hater. But yeah. Great story. I'm happy for them.

They're going to be probably dominating the NBA in three years. It doesn't matter. If they play Nicola Yokic and have Jaylon Williams guarding him, it's going to be the easiest sweep of all time. Yeah, exactly. They have no real big man. I think they get there, though. I think they get there.

I think they win the second playing game, and they beat the Timberrows. Gobert is questionable to play with the backspasms. And I know we make fun of them because, like, oh, they're better without Gobert and all the stuff, but against the team that's the smallest team in the league, having gobert would help for the timber wolves so if he doesn't play i i might lean oklahoma city as well yeah it all depends on what anthony edwards wants to do if he decides

to i don't know well he might be i don't know what how bad that fall is and what injuries he may be he's fine he's helping he just played like shit he's fine he just missed a lot of shots he's okay i don't know that that's what she's saying that street's saying that he was that he was he was hoping because their favorite played like shit it's okay Listen, he wasn't playing fair this year. This man's shunning an injury. Oh, yeah, speaking of not playing fair, you all see Nicola Yokich's new haircut.

His barber needs to be arrested on sight. His mate is like to the temple of his, it's like above his temple, bro. It's so bad. That's hilarious. It's so bad. But yeah, because that cut, yeah, Nicola Okic is on straight demon mode, bro.

He's, he's, he's, he's, he's losing MVP because of his haircut. Yep. Yeah. Embed better. Yeah, absolutely, bro. Speaking of Embed, let's move on to the Eastern Conference. We can start with this series.

I'm just going to say it. In Philadelphia versus Brooklyn, it's going to be the cleanest sweep. Philadelphia and four. You don't believe in Macal. Bridges in his revenge game in Philly. I think one game. They get one game.

Brooklyn gets one game. They don't. I give him one. I give him one. I give him a cat. McCall going for 45. Half. It won't matter because

Beets didn't go for 52. It's going to be a sweep. I'm so uninterested. It's going to be fun to watch stylistically. There's that one clip from the first game they played with this new team after the trade deadline where Brooklyn had that really switchy possession

where they gave Hardin and beat hell. Great. If they can do that 20 times in a game, they'll win one. I doubt it. Okay, that's fine. I'll be on. I'll give them one.

I give them one. I give them, sir, one. Yeah, like, if we're giving them credit, of doing actual analysis of this. They have the switchability. Bridges has been pretty dominant, but I don't see that happening against a defense led by Joelle Embed

that's been a pretty high-level defense all year. I just think when you get to a playoff series and you have this much of a talent advantage and you can pinpoint specific matchups, as great as Nick Claxton was earlier in the year when Kevin Durant and Kyrie were there, he's not stopping Joelle Embedde. Yeah, exactly.

There's no one in the NBA can do that, And if you can't, if you can't, like, have any type of counters like a Boston does with Al Horford and Robert Williams or the Milwaukee Bugs with Janice and Brooke Lopez, like, you just have literally zero chance. Yeah, you could. You don't have a chance in the world, especially if you're, like, probably the least talented team in the Eastern Conference playoff run. So it's like, they're more talented than that. You're screwed. Stop. That was great.

No, you're right, though. Oh, my God. Cute story. I'm glad. It's good for them staying in the playoffs, having a decent end to the season. Doesn't matter. Yeah. They're going to, yeah, they're going to railed.

But it's all right. Shout out to the Nets. Let's move on to another team that's going to get railed. Boston versus Atlanta. Oh, my God. Yes. You know, out of every single team in the, in the east, the Boston Celtics give us the most problems.

Whereas ironically enough, weirdly enough, we are a great matchup for the Milwaukee Bucks. Not saying that we beat them, but like, y'all see what happened back in 2021. These two big-ass Africans that we have in the paint give that other big-ass African-from-Greece hell of problems. It's not no coincidence. On Yakuung Kongu is literally like red-free in these bucks fans' heads. For real, let's talk about. The Hawks versus Bucs in the Civil War. That's crazy.

Yeah. It's like, bro, I got my guys with me and I'm ready for war. But these two guys specifically, I don't really trust up against the Boston Steltics. When it comes to stretching out the floor, Al Horford. Was that a Donald's jump impression? No. Get the fuck out of here. What was that?

What was that? I want to show you all something very cool that I have in my collection right now. I have an Al Horford card and Atlanta Hawks card. Okay. Yeah. Anyway, that's so random. But they're going to give us issues. Those two wings that they have in Jalen Brown, especially Jason Tatum, we don't have anything.

We don't have anything to, like, give them issues or any real irritants. DeAnda Hunter, he's good. He's nice on the defensive end, but he's, like, pretty much Mr. Inconsistent for the Atlanta Hawks. And when we need another huge wing to, like, give them fits back and at least make them work on the defensive end, Deandre Hunter just doesn't do enough. He's so, like, one, he has tunnel vision, and, like, we need a real connector.

And Jalen Johnson can be that, but, like, he's, logistics don't make enough sense because he can't shoot the ball yet you know so it's like yeah it's just a terrible fit um and all these big two defenders all around tray young you know with the team that is talented but they are limited at the perimeter just makes his life hard but we have de jontay murray now so i mean let's see if they're yeah i mean they're gonna have de jontay murray and dion jane brown and jason taintim it's not the worst you could do like it's okay jondi jonti mary is a good defender he can probably hold his own against Jaylon Brown, but everything in totality.

Obviously, the Trey Young thing is always a Trey Young thing. It's a team that's good at attacking small guys. That's not going to fare well for them. The Dallas is, I'm not I said Dallas. The Celtics are outside of Sacramento, one of the most high-powered offenses in the league. I wouldn't say Atlanta is an elite defense. Like, I don't, there's really nothing you can point to

that's an advantage for the Hawks. Yeah. there's this there's so how many games five oh my god i give him one i agree five is solid i i just want my hawks to take this at a as a learning lesson you know we're going to get whipped and it's completely okay we're out tier we are out class we are outmatch everything bro we're just not like that yet and this is just a time for our brilliant new head coach quin snider and whoever the fuck is running at for an office to take notes and seriously like

own in on what we need to get out of this roster and what we need to also bring in this roster is not terrible but it can use some work slight tweaks here and there what do you think that tweak real quick what do i think that tweak is i don't know i'm kind of looking at with the way that jalen johnson is progressing i'm looking at john collins and i'm like how much do we need you for real because quince dinners unlocking this man right now and he's literally like evolving hella quickly so and I'm also looking at Clint Capella as well I'm thinking about what can I get for these two bigs quick Cappell tomorrow so I'll say that probably has more about it because he's he has a space on most teams compared to someone like John Collins and so uh I may look to flip

Clint and maybe Jay and maybe a Dionne Jhunter for another favorable uh three or something like that I don't really know necessarily because the market right now is pretty gray um but Clint Capella I'm looking at him because he has a lot of value and he's still really damn good, but O'Cone was like he's ascending right in front of our eyes and also so is Jalen Johnson and I'd rather get these two in the mix compared to just like let these two lose trade value as the days, the year, season go on. That makes sense. They should sign and trade John Collins for Cameron Johnson.

I would do that in a heartbeat. I think that would be a good fit. But yeah, I mean, in a heartbeat. Boston is the 1A, 1B favorite to make the finals. Atlanta is a playing team They don't have a chance Hey worth it me I can say this Donovan

As much as you want to hey We undefeated into playing What other team in NBA So you can say that None The Lakers None You've been in the playing

The Lakers don't count You've been in the playing For years Because you're not good enough To make the actual playoffs But we are undefeated You know who is going to speak the actual playoffs Donovan's New York Knicks

That's right You know who's against You know who's against stomped out by the Cleveland Cavaliers Donovan's New York Knicks We're hurting though We're hurting Is not just because

It's not just because we're bad I'm kidding I'm kidding They're not can you stomped out I'll say it first Cavs in seven Seven Okay

What Are you assuming Seven Randall is healthy Yeah maybe I'll miss a game or two But assuming Julie's Randall place It's Cavs in seven I know why you're saying that

The Cavs are a better team They're going to win The Knicks are one of the few teams that is built to give the cabs trouble strictly because Julius Randall is like the worst matchup for Evan Mobley for everything Evan Mobley's amazing at he's still in his second year he's still frail he's skinny the one way you're going to get into him is by overpowering him going straight at him he's arguably the top he's gonna be top three in defense play of the year

because of his rotation is off-wall defense ability to help and defend the rim not and because he can switch really well on the perimeter not because he's his one-on-one post just beast Julius Randall is Julius Randall is Julius Randall is and get in his chest get him in foul trouble and that's gonna make it a really good series alone

okay so Brent well you go you go ahead Moe now I'll say my stuff I just I just think that's crazy um I think it's gonna be Cabin like five or six I don't know why you're driven

you're driven no Knicks are good five or six without Julius Randall I'm shout out to Jalen Brunson phenomenal Julius now is not going to miss the whole series he's not going to miss that many games they're just playing a coy

because they don't want to they want to leave Cleveland not knowing who the game plan for he's not going to miss that much time even then man I don't know I don't I don't trust the New York Knicks they haven't done anything on a consistent basis throughout the entire year for me to make other than

Jalen Jalen Brunson like The five C what do you mean they're a good team I don't care that does not move me bro I don't care you can't say they don't doing thing consistent all year then when I say they've been consistently good you say you don't care they haven't been consistently good

but they have they You've been to the Fox seat all year. All right, whatever. Okay, good. No, they have, they have. They have. They've been good, not great all year. Okay, here's the thing.

If Julius Randall is healthy, if he's healthy, I'm taking the cabs in seven. If he is not, if he's not there, I think the cabs went in five. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, I think, listen, New York, New York has a really good opportunity, especially, and this is, this is assuming. that that Randall's healthy. They have a really good opportunity because the Knicks and what we've done all season along, we're a very isolation heavy based offense. And when you have, like Isaac was

saying, when you have a heavier Julius Randall going up against a weaker every moble, you can exploit that. When you have Jalen Brunson, who's played amazing on offense, right? And he's going up against either Darius Garland or Donovan Mitchell. And we saw, listen, we saw what Jalen Brunson was doing the Donovan Mitchell just last year in the playoffs and he's taking that to another level when you have when you have him going up against two guards who are also smaller like him in isolation situations you can create baskets and so listen offensively on the year the Knicks fourth best offensive rating on the on the season right the offense has power to them the offense has been working if those guys are there we have a chance if julius is not there and everything goes on jalen brunson and

he's going to have to average 30 and 7 for the series to give us a chance i don't think that that's going to happen i think it's unfair to ask that of him but we'll we'll see randall hasn't practiced yeah i'm assuming julius randall doesn't miss more than two games randall randall he hasn't practiced they've like they've been keeping everything under wraps he hasn't talked to the media tips isn't giving a lot of stuff up so i'm not a hundred percent sure where he is they have said that he's running but he hasn't had a full full practice yet. But again, if he's, if he's healthy and both him and, um, and Brunton are, are on, the Knicks

100% have a chance and I wouldn't be shocked if they, if they won the series. I did. Oh. I think, I think both teams healthy. I'm going to go with Cleveland because they are like overall. They're more talented than the Knicks and I'll lean, I'll lean with that and they're going to have home court advantage, but it's, it's not going to be easy. It's, it's not going to be an easy series for Cleveland.

And they're really going to have to prove themselves. Yeah, I agree with everything you said. On paper, the Cavs are easily the more talent with the team. But, you know, playoff basketball isn't a game of accumulating talent. Yeah. It's a game of matchups. And this is a stylistic matchups that the Knicks have a lot of advantages in. The way that Knicks are fourth in offensive rating, they're elite at offensive rebounds.

And they draw a lot of fouls between Julius and Jalen Brunson. They're two foul merchants, honestly. The Cavs are 20th and defensive rebounding. And because of that, they're also bottom 10 in fouls. So there's just a lot of edges that give the Knicks a chance when you just go through category by category what each team is good at. Yeah, but the Cavs, one of their biggest advantages

is that the Knicks have R.J. Barrett. Listen, they have Isaac Acoro, who's been good lately, but he's kind of died R.J. Barrett. Yeah, speaking about Isaac O'Coro, I just, I don't think that, like, with how good that you were, like, saying the Cavas are, and they will be and stuff like that

which they are elite and you've been I don't want to say you've been 100% right but you've been like 99% right and I agree with you in like all your assessments of the cast but like if you believe in all those things with the New York Knicks while they're coming in

slightly beat up with Julius Randall I think this should be pretty much not a watch of a series but damn near a walk in the park I want to say five I want to say five if he if Julius isn't that if Julie Again, if Julius is not healthy, then I agree with you.

However, if Julius is there, I promise you this not, I promise you this there is not going to five games. I'll give them six if Julius is there, I would give them six. But because he's not there and then like playoff Julius, I don't know, bro. The last time I saw him in the playoffs, he left a really sour chase in my mouth. Now it's a completely different situation because he has jailing runs it now. His second best player was like, was Derek Rose and he was relying on Reggie Bullock to do stuff. Like, of course the Hawks aren't going to respect anybody. He's getting double team every time he tests the ball.

like of course of course this is a very this is a very very different next year than the one that we saw in 2020 the all again Derek rose legitimately was like the best offensive play in that series he's not he's not he's not the same like role that that he's in right he's not getting run like that Emmanuel quickly is he might win six men of of the year Mitchell Mitchell Robinson is doing all this Josh Hart is fantastic in everything that he does like I almost figured they have Josh Hart wow we've been we've been talking about about Jalen Brunson stepping in stepping into this role and doing even more than what people were expected of it. I was, listen, I was on the wrong end of that contract and of that take

about the contract. I said it was an overpay. The Knicks got a deal. We underpaid for Jalen Brunson. Like, this is, again, this is very different than the Knicks. We saw, yeah, this is a very different Knicks team than the one we saw three years ago in the playoffs. And it's going to be a very tough out for Cleveland who even though that they have the second best net rating in the in the league and they've been fantastic they have shown inconsistency at times and they're going to have to prove it in the in the playoffs and bring everything together so I'm I'm excited this is going to be a fun series yeah and the one thing that can shut us up and make it a clear walk in the park you say is if Donovan Mitchell goes bubbled on of a Mitchell typical playoff de michigan and goes

insane which you know is always on the table because he is that guy for real yeah so that happens it happens and it'll be not a close series but with all the evidence we have on these two teams i think they're far closer than you would think a hundred yeah but i say all to say i say all that to say the cleveland caval are still going to win so it's we're just we're debating is the degree of which they win yeah this is what we do we're discussing basketball fans man it's about respect unless you want us arguing about the shit that don't matter that's a good way to describe it we are about the shit that don't matter whether it be haircuts

the margin of victory player shoes love it yeah players choose the way players have built bro I put dizman bean lower on my list because he's just simply built weird incredible sources all right and then the bucks is steamrolling

whoever gets to 80 right we all yeah yeah it's not going to be close okay that's not even talking yeah so it's going to be in that series it's going to be the Miami Heat or Chicago Bulls so I guess we'll talk about this playing games we missed a little bit We talked about Miami.

They shit the bed. The Bulls came back and woning as the Raptors, who put on an insane choke job, all thanks to the screaming and yelping of DeMarter Rosen's daughter, who put on a master class. Shout out of her. Yeah, so the Raptors are going to blow it up, hopefully, this summer. They've made a horrible bet, bringing in Yakopoldo.

Getting rid of their first round pick to be mid. Terrible bet. Maasai put up the worst performance of his career. Do you all think the Bulls are going to win? Miami. I think Miami is going to win. I'm not, I'm not even trying to be a hater. But like, I thought if Miami, if Jimmy Butler and Bamata Bio make three more layups in the first quarter, like the whole trajectory of that, of that game changes, I think that they'll make layups. I think that they will make layups this time around. And I think

that they'll win the game. Yeah, I agree. I think Chicago put out a great performance coming back in that game, but there's a reason they were down. And I think that Miami is simply the better team. I really hope that I see the Miami Heat win because I think they'll put up like a 5% better fight against the Milwaukee Bucks. Oh, definitely way better fight. Bulls are cooked if they play the Bucks. Yeah, that's a sweet. They're definitely good.

Didn't they get like, did they get only one game or two games last year on the Bucs? One at most. They may have gotten one. There's no way they took them the six. They didn't get to. I think they might have gone one, but it was like almost two. But anyways, that doesn't matter. I, like, when it comes to this matchup, who's more cooked?

I almost want to see the Bulls will win because I think the Bulls are, I don't know, man. Miami is just a weird team, really weird team. I don't know what type of Bam out of Biome and get in the playoffs because he doesn't look like himself or play like himself, bro. He's scary. So it's like, I don't know who I want to pick. They got, the Bulls got one game last year. I think I am picking the Chicago

Wolves over over the Miami yeah I haven't put any thought into it I really don't fucking care I'm being honest with you Let's move on This is stuff that don't matter The series you can talk about

The thing is Let's move on But there's no more series Move on to So we're moving on a TikTok time Let's do it Ooh That concludes our

First round preview I'm excited to see When we get right and wrong I think a lot of these are going to be pretty chalk so I don't think we're going to be at risk of being exposed too hard. Yeah, let's go TikTok time. As always, we're going to start with the draft.

Do what we always do. Today we're going to do a draft with only small forwards. Okay. All time small forwards. Let's do it. Did I have third pick last time? I don't remember. What was the last draft?

It feels like it was so long since you last reported. I know. It's been eight days. What was it point guard draft? I don't remember. No, it was too large draft It was beards Oh, you're right

You're right Yeah And yeah I had back to back picks Okay so I'm second Who was first last time Mo? I don't remember

I think I picked LeBron first Yeah Okay so it's Donovan Me Mo is the draft order Okay So So let's draft NBA lineups With only small forwards

All right bet Number one pick Give me LeBron James Man games Number two I'm going to pick Kevin Durant for my power forward Okay

I need his versatility Cool Okay so Naturally I have to pick Kauai Leonard Okay I don't know if that's natural But go ahead

It's natural I don't disrespect the bot And then right after Kauai There's a lot of options give me Larry Bird. Okay, I was going to say he's the one I thought would be the natural pick. Okay.

The fact you got bolt is nice. That's good. Yeah. Now I'm in a tough spot because you pick the two guys I definitely wanted to pick between. Give me Scotty Pippen at center. Nice. Yeah, I got to get that front course. That's going to be the hardest part of the draft.

That is not what I wanted to hear. Okay. We got to figure some stuff out now. All right. So we got LeBron at one. Give me Okay, give me Dominique Wilkins to play my two. Okay.

My inner hearts, my inner Hawks fan is hurting right now. Yeah, give me Dominique Wilkins to play my two and then give me Carmelo Anthony to play my three. Okay. Damn. Okay, Donovan, that's nice. So you got Braun who's like the best point guard, obviously. Yes.

Give me the second best point guard out there. Give me Grant Hill for my one. That's nice. That's solid. Okay. okay cool all right so dominique is off the board granthos off the board camello anthony is off the board there's a lot of good names off the board right now but so i have uh i'm put larry bird on my four i'll put kawai just at the three

let's keep him at the three um i got larry bird and kai all right cool so you know what give me give me jason Tatum at my two and then I'd like to snag I'd like to snag

Paul George at my fuck! You picked the two guys I was little thinking of I want to get up and duck you right now on God

that's I want to get up and do this thing you're like on your ass damn yeah you just ruin my whole draft yeah

I always pick Paul George I don't know if you guys realize this I do that's fine give me T-Mack for my two

Hmm Okay Wait, what's he? Okay Yes, he was okay Okay Yeah I don't know

He's just too 50 So I don't know I feel like He he counts He counts his both I'm not gonna hate it Yeah so does PG Yeah yeah yeah

Okay Okay All right So I have two picks left At my Let's see At my center Give me James Worthy

That's a good pick So that's definitely A good center It makes sense and then at my four hmm this is this is really really tough I gotta

okay you know what but they're all small forwards here give me Paul Pierce at my four okay I like all my picks stolen this draft fuck yeah yeah I like that

talk you talk D talk D I really like my team This is kind of nice. My team's okay. I need one more defender, I think. Give me Jimmy Butler for my three. That's good.

I like that. I was actually debating that. Nice. All right. I was actually debating that. All right. So I got. I got.

I got a more pick. Oh, yeah. We're not done. Yeah, I got one. My five. Give me Julius Irving. Okay. That's a mic jump right there.

It's about a good rim roller. Okay. Yeah. All right. So Donovan, what's your team? looking like okay so i got lebron at my one dominique wilkins at my two we'll put paul pierce at the three carmello anthony at the four james worthy at the five dominic woken's a weird pick that high he's not not weird at all underrated he was fucking him he's great he's great he's great i just

think he could got him later in okay so i got grant hill at the one who to get the two t mac at the two jimmy butler is the three kd at the four and pipp at the five. That's hard. That's disgusting. It's crazy. That's disgusting. That's hard. That's hard. So I got Paul George at my one, Jason Tato on my two, Kauai Leonard at my three, Larry Bird at my fort, and Julius Irving at my five. You got no passing straight buckets. Straight buckets, bro. The best facilitator on my team is Paul George and maybe Larry Byrd. No, it's Larry Bird. It's Larry Bird for sure. He's doing a lot of playing. He's basically a point guard. yeah man this is

this is done I wonder who won we all had good teams yeah I think I I win if if the TikTok kids know who Grant Hill know about him yeah

if not all funny Gran Hill stay hurt yeah Grant Hill stay hurt so okay this is nice

so every time we do these drafts the comments are filled with people like why didn't you pick so and so and it's always a player that makes no sense so like the comments are going to be like what about Kobe

we're going to see a bunch of that where's my I know, on God, we're going to see no Yannis. Literally. Dumbass. I let it cook because that's why these drafts do well on TikTok because I get all the interactions. Yeah. Engageant merchants.

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and we're going to tier list all the playoff teams. Okay. Interesting. So let's start with the West. Let's put these Western Conference playoff teams into a tier list. Let's do it. First off, the Phoenix Suns. S tier.

For Suns. Yeah, they're the favorite, so they got to be S, right? Yes. S. Or is there no S's because it's so wide open? Are they A as well? No, I think there's S's because I think they're S's for sure. Okay, they mean S.

What about the Nuggets? A? A. I know everybody's faith in them is kind of teetering a little bit, but they got to be A still, right? Yeah, I want to say A, I want to damn near put them S, but they don't have that shock factor that the Sons have. They don't have that I'm scared shitless factor. So A. Yeah, they slow down enough that they got to be down to A, I think.

Yeah. But I don't, listen, they got, they got Yoki stuff. They do. Which is why they're A. I mean, they're pretty fucking high. Yeah. I kind of want to put a mess, but, okay. We'll leave them at A.

Yeah, it's just because they had a slow last month of the season. That is kind of a little question mark. The Lakers. B. B. Listen, this is fair. They're T. They're going to go B.

They're trending. They're trending upwards. But I won't be shocked if after a few weeks we say they should have been A. Okay. I'm not talking about that train yet. I'm going to put him C. Yeah, see because Paul George's hurt, yeah. Yeah, they would be B, though.

They would be B. I kind of want to give them B. I want to give him B. I think... I don't hate that. Listen, if they were playing anybody else in the first round, I think we would look at them a lot differently. Definitely, yeah.

It sucks that they have to play Phoenix, but they're definitely a really good team, so I'll give them B. Okay. The Warriors. A. come on we can't they got to be B at best they have not I want to say B I think they're B they're crazy they have they have a ceiling of A but they haven't done enough to deserve that

no they have a ceiling of that sure but they haven't done enough to deserve the high ringers have the ceiling of S as well though because they have been 19 and 8 over those since like this entire new regime started so I don't know I want to get them they also have broken old men playing for them Steph Curry has played like just as many games to Anthony Davis the past few years yeah exactly they haven't had their this is the first time their entire team is healthy notice i said

men plural old men that lebron lebron's old 80s brittle as well i don't i don't know i i think i think we should give gold to say a little bit more credit

now golden six got to be b they got to prove it first they can get to a after a few games but the best they can do is b so far step curry prove me right he probably will but he's got approved step curry their haters their haters step He's saying Steph Curry doesn't hear you. Bro, he can't hear you.

We talk. We talk. The Sacramento Kings. C. C. Is that disrespect by C C. A little bit, but I get it. We're talking about heavy hitters, K.D. Yolkich.

They're just gone on that. I want to say C plus. You can say they deserve B because they've been so good, but we just, everyone knows their style of play is as conducive to playoff basketball. It is what it is. Yeah, exactly. No disrespect. Beam team.

I said that in lowercase. All right. Let's move on to the Eastern Conference now. So, let's put these Eastern Conference playoff teams into a tier list. First off, I think we can say the Bucks and Celtics are easy S-tier, right? Easy. No question.

Definitely. Don't want to talk about it. Are the Sixers there, or are they in A? No, they're in A. Okay. My B. No, okay, relax. Relax.

They're really good. They are fraudulent, though. They are fraudulent, and they will break your heart. That's valid. I'm going to hope they do. Okay. The Cleveland Cavaliers. I think B.

I want to say A. Yeah, I think it's one of the things that they have the ceiling of A, but because of the youth, I guess you can say they're B for now until we see it. But B's fair. Okay. We could be. The New York Knicks. I don't know The injuries, man

Let's assume Julie's Randall's healthy Let's assume Julie's healthy If he's healthy If he's healthy then B If he's healthy then he should be They should be B with the way y'all are talking about him Yeah

Yeah If he's healthy B Yeah They're probably in the lower end of B But they deserve B Definitely B minus The Brooklyn Nets

D tier Yeah You're fucking generous F tier They're not gonna win a playoff game Yeah no bro I'm trying to be nice I love

ridges with all my heart shout out him the team is not good yeah screw that i'm on what kyle kuzma is on bro i don't even have them on the list they got spencer didn't he's f true that was our great twitter we ride with coos on this on this podcast the alano hawks see what say it louder say say say it louder if you actually see see see if you actually C. I'm gonna go D. I see why you say C. I don't hate it, but they're gonna get ran out of the building in five by the Celtics. I'm gonna go D. Thank you, Isaac. They suck. But what they get ran out of the building if they were going against the Cleveland Cavaliers? Yes, they're not. They suck. They suck. They're not F. They're C. Let's be real. No, they're deep. They're deep. There's a reason they're in the place. But they do suck. That is true. I'll let you all be wrong. okay my team is mid not bad

congrats yeah that concludes that nice all right next thing we're going to do we're going to do underrated or overrated

which is something we've done the past but it was always about players this time it's going to be a mix of things outside of just players so it's going to be a general NBA underrated or overrated

all right let's get into it first I sip some water drink faster I'll try how do I phrase this Underrated or overrated NBA edition I said that weird Underrated or overrated

The NBA City jerseys They're overrated Oh okay I knew you would say that They're over They're just unnecessary There's too many options every year And even the good ones

We don't even get to keep the good ones So like what's the point of making good jerseys If we can't wear them for longer Yeah, that's what I feel that Yeah, I feel that too I like them a lot of the times There's more good ones and bad ones But it sucks that they have to do a new one every year

For the most part Because of money Because of green They gotta sell new jersees every year Oh man, yeah But I'm gonna go underrated Do you realize how hurt All Atlanta Hawks fans were

When they ripped away those MLK jerseys From us back in 2021 There was a reason why we made The first peach tree ones And the first petri ones? Yes Those are great Yes Yes, bro God

I get it, but... Overrated, easy. I see why you say that. I'm gonna still go underrated just because I think more cool jersees are better than none, even if you do not get them

as long as we would like. That is true. Mid-range shooting. It's underrated. Yeah, I'm gonna go underrated too, but not for the same reasons. I think a lot of people were like, oh, analytics are killing mid-range shots.

You still need that, but, like, analytics don't say mid-range shots are bad. It's always been like a fake narrative. of course you still need them yeah exactly you need them i feel like when it comes to long when it comes to two-pointers and just mid-range shots specifically you need them in your game so you can be unpredictable as offensive players yeah they're counters 100% yeah there's a reason you shouldn't there's a reason it shouldn't be the main part of your game anymore but it's an essential counter exactly 10,000% agree anybody who doesn't most players who don't have a mid-range game

are buns. You have to be three levels. They're not, they're not bucket games. If you don't have that three level, then you're not a star player. Yeah, exactly. And it's always been the case.

So the fact that people are acting like anything different as if like numbers are saying you shouldn't take them, it's always been a misnomer. Exactly. And that's been the number one difference. Case point playing period is McCall Bridges.

He's been taking hella two pointers. He's always been good at him, but at what level or what clip? And look at him now. Flourishing. Facts. NBA draft picks. I'm forever underrated.

no i kind of i kind of think they're overrated a lot of people say that well okay actually it's a it's a little bit of both i think they're being underrated because i think teams are just throwing around first picks yeah exactly they're just throwing around first round picks like nobody for go bear that's that's that's ridiculous that's underrated however when you're talking about like oh should we keep this first round pick or go get a star trade the first round pick go get the star why are we talking about some 18 year old some some middle schooler like let's get the star i see it's easy to say that until you trade them all and you have no more assets left and you're the portland trailblazers with no young talent and you're like oh what do i do now i've

nothing else left to do around my star player so i think they're underrated because they're essential they weren't getting stars yeah but it's it's essential that you value them so you have more options in the trade market you know what i mean you don't want to run out of them yeah look at the mavericks they've been shit in the mouth left and right and now they have very few moves to make around Luca yeah exactly the Miami heat a lot of people don't know this pretensions to this but they're going to be cooked in the short term future because they're going to be stuck paying at 36-year-old jimmy baller damn here 50 million dollars and okay see got their pick i think it's top something

protected but regardless of the fact it's still kind of scary and picks are just protections they're like pillow cases who sleeps on a pillow pillow raw nobody you're weird if you do that you know so yeah very definitely underrated just depends on how you use them it's not my fault that you don't know how to draft and you'd be watching CBS articles depending on who's going to be the you'll let that like decide who's going to be a good player or not it's your phone bro I think Donovan is right you need to trade them for stars but it's underrated in the fact that people should make sure they don't waste them yes definitely definitely next one Nicole Yokic his all-time status all-time status this is tough very tough right now

because a lot of people are turning on them fast yeah I I'm going to say underrated because, man, I'm going to say underrated because all the hate that he's been given is making him seem overrated and it's just like a natural scale and balance consistently throughout the NBA world. But I think when it's all said and done with his career, people are going to look at him and be like, damn, he was like that for real. But we just are too busy having this nasty-ass dialogue.

For sure. People, I'm going to rate as well. People are tired of him. They're tired of seeing this white boy win MVP's, but there's a reason people say he's one of the best offensive players ever. He's legitimately that great. Eventually he's going to win his title, and then this will be put to bed. I think he's properly rated, but I'll go underrated just because it's always hard moving people up the all-time list.

Yeah. And people are always do that very begrudgingly. So I'll say underrated. It's understandable why they're resistant, but there is a little more hate than warranted right now. But I get it. Easily. The play in tournament. underrated

this is the first thing that gives us bro this one game these one games one shooters like March badness give us in a completely a different free world people don't know how to play basketball

when there's one game on the line yeah it's great it's been everything you want it's making more teams compete it's exciting we're getting that single elimination itch that we get from college

like you said it's nice to have in the NBA yeah I'll go underrated I'm trying not to do the cop-out thing and say properly rated so I will once again just say underrated and keep him moving Okay

Luca Donchich Oh he's overrated This fan was saying MVP You were saying MVP like three months ago Damn yeah and then he got Kyrie Irving And they missed the play in Yeah he's overrated Yeah I mean

I gotta say overrated too Just because a lot of people like to be like oh he's already the best player in the NBA or he's competing for that I think people need to slow down he's top 10 but he needs to learn to play with other people and there's still a little a few weaknesses he needs to fix before he can really be like a top three guy

he needs to stop crying to the rest of every play too that's ridiculous his vibes are terrible right now stock is at all time low I'm not going to be like everyone else I'm going to go ahead and say underrated I said underrated for everything there's no way he's underrated come on I'm going to say underrated

You caught him at a bad time He's going to some He's going through some things in his personal life I know Luca personally trust me He'll be okay But underrated Okay He just said underrated

He gave no explanation He just said Straight up lied That's what I like doing man This podcast is someone serious Okay next thing we're going to do you guys are going to have to guess

these NBA players by accolades so by accolades yep I'm going to tell you what they've accomplished basketball reference merchant let's go yep well I got to remember who I put down I kind of forgot you did it right their name by the accolades I forgot the rods of the names yeah

I can do mine if you no I'm good I'm good I know it guess the NBA player by their accolades first guy is a four-time all-star The first guy is a four-time All-Star, two-time All-MBA, Eastern Conference Finals MVP, All-Star MVP, and is at one final's appearance. Oh, that's Yonis.

You said Yonis? Yeah, I said Jason Taylor. Incorrect. What did you say, Mo? Jason Tatum. It is Jason Tatum, yep. I'm tripping on Yonis. Ha, ha.

My bad. My bad. My bad. My bad Greek. Yeah. You should have known because there's only been one Eastern Conference Finals MVP so far. Yeah, exactly. I forgot when that put in.

That is an unsurious award. Facts. Yeah. Who the hell is going to mention that whenever they're bringing it up a player's accolades? You're lame as hell, bro. Me. Six-time All-Star, NBA champ, and one-time All-N-B-A in 2016. Six-time All-Star.

Is that Kyle Lowry? One-time NBA. Damn, how did you get that so fast? Yeah, it was Kyle Lowry. Wait. Yeah. One-time NBA. champion. What did you mention about 2016?

All-N-B-A. Oh, in 26. Okay. I was going to say, whoa. Yeah, he was like that. He was averaging like mid-20s, early 20s. God damn, Kyle Larry. Overrated, by the way. Kyle Lowry?

Wow, I think it was like that. Are you serious? Listen, I've heard people talk about Kyle Lowry in like a Hall of Fame context. And I think that that is very, very unsurious to do. Oh, you're a hater. Yeah, man. Six All-Stars, six All-O-Stars in, like, one, like, peak year, and he's a Hall of Famer.

Let's relax. Six is a good amount. People are we're trying for a hundred people who are in the Hall of Fame. For, again, listen, the basketball. You want a championship, too. The Basketball Hall of Fame on the back of Kauilander. The Basketball Hall of Fame is the easiest one to get into. It's kind of an unsurious Hall of Fame.

Okay, okay. Well, next one. Eight-time All-Star, NBA champ, three-time All-MBA. Ricky of the Year, and All-Star MVP. Oh, is that Kyrie? Y'all, Donovan, is murdering this. Damn, that's got a year of me. Yeah, it's not Kyle.

I was going to say Anthony Davis. I like that. Dan, that was quick. Yeah. But Anthony Davis won rookie to the year. Last one. Seven-time All-Star, six-time All-MBA, all-Rookie team, Ricky of the Year, and he's an NBA-75 member.

Wait, say that again? Oh, this is Damienelwood. Y'all got every single one within five seconds. This is what I do. This is what we do, Donovan. We like that. We're like that. Yeah.

Damn, I pick the people that are too easy. And we were over here crying about how hard this is going to be. I know, right? We like that. Yeah. Let's go through that. I can't even post that. It was too easy.

Let's do that next to me. All right. Y'all am to go through in my talk? Yep. We've got one more video before we get out of here. Hit us. All right. Cool. So this talk, y'all, all the podcast, listeners and YouTube watchers talking about whether or not this specific player lived up to their draft comparison.

All right. And the draft comparison I'm picking is some of the more popular ones that I see. Yeah, for sure. I'm just explaining for the listening to be. It's about to be some revisionist history. I love it. Did this player live up to their draft compares? Hold on. Woo! That was a ass. Yeah. That was ass. Did this NBA player live up to their draft comparison? say it again but slow say one more time

yeah did this did this NBA player live up to their draft comparison cool all right Jaron Jackson Jr. to Sergei Baca oh yeah for sure

yeah he's about the way yeah he's about the defense player in the year I think it'll be pretty soon we can say jaren was going to be better than Prime Church yeah yeah I think that was the floor for him the floor well no there's definitely a lower floor

he could have been something much worse but he definitely lived up easy all right that's the easy one all right what about lamello ball

oh I had a brain fart I was gonna say who he could have been I was to make a joke but I forgot who was gonna say goddamn I felt like it would have been it would have been fire as well

it would be funny as hell go ahead keep going too late soiled it all right lamello ball to Penny Hardaway no

too soon to say no I also feel like that's a bad Yeah, it is a back-off. His brother, Lonzo. Oh, no, you can't do that. Legitimately, like, what we thought Lonzo was going to be, Lamello kind of, like, can step into those shoes,

be a very good transition passer, be a good high, gosh, I can't talk, be a good score, right? They were talking about putting Lonzo balls jersey in the rafters, and he was going to be, you know, Magic Johnson Showtime. Lamello is like that. So I think Lanzas are a better comparison. I'll say that the Penny Comp, he's lived up to it so far. He's done what he's need to do in the first few years,

but he still has to keep leveling up to make sure he hits that level. Easily. 110% agree. All right. What about Deer & Fox to John Wall? Huh. Prime John Wall is better. This is the best year of Deer & Fox's career.

I think Prime John Wall was still better. So maybe hasn't quite lived up. to that but he's been pretty good i think he's on that trajectory easily like he's opposite this is the best opportunity that he's been given and he's been surging with that yeah like and a legit all-star for the first time by his side and i think he's on he's on that trajectory i don't think i don't know if he'll surpass it because john wall was like that for real i don't know how much better dearon fox can get from this year that's the real that's the real these these are just too they're talking about john wall like he was like at one point i think

I don't know if this is I think John Wall is a better passer I think he's a better I think John Wall got it yeah um Deer Fox is the chance but so far we can say he's not as good

hmm okay all right all right cool all right so Donvin Mitchell to D Wade slash Norman Powell well listen half of that he's clearly live up to

yeah I mean, hell, he's going to be first team all-in-a this year. Bro, these comps are from everywhere on the internet. Just in the either. He's clearly better than Norman Powell. Yeah, not even close. I mean, he's not D-Waid, but he's going to be probably first team all-N-B-A this year. So, I mean, you can't say he didn't live up to anything, right?

Yeah. He's not an all-time great shooting guard, but he's very, very good. Yeah, very good, very memorable. He hasn't had an opportunity. to win at a high level like D-Wade and even if he did I don't know if he'll be able to get I mean he did he was the number one seat in the conference listen if you should give him shack instead of Rudy Gobert he probably would win a championship too that is just a big ass difference and if the comp is somewhere between Norman Powell and Dwayne Wade I can

confidently say he's in that range he's lived up to the hype all right w all right what about D'Andre Aiton to David Robinson they were talking about that man like he was the next coming of jesus christ when he was coming out of college oh poor aiden i like aidan aton's underrated but come on obviously he didn't live up to that yeah no man not even close i'll take the military man all right last one is it the last one All right, Luca Donchis to James Hardin. I said that weird.

Luca Donchis to James Hardin. He has not. He has not. I think Prime James Hardin was even a level above what we're seeing from Luca Donchon. Sure, but Luca's also in year five. I mean, he's been on the trajectory you want. He's definitely lived up to that. Yeah, I think.

In terms of being a foul merchant, yes. But I think James Hardin. at his peak yeah i think peak james hardin was still like i i agree yeah i think p james hardin was a tier above luca in like all time like he's he's like that oh for sure for sure i just think there's definitely clear paths to lucca to keep getting better and reach that level so i'm not gonna he's he's on the right trajectory yeah so far if we're talking about year five harden to year five luca i'm taking year five rookie year all that so he's obviously like shooting towards that trajectory of possibly surpassing you one

day. But I don't think it's like locked in stone just yet. Yeah, he's not there yet. Or an average 36. Yeah, exactly. All right. All right. Last ones for the shits and giggles. All right. Can y'all guess who? Mo, Bamba. All right, let me not even ask you all that question. All right, Mo Bamba to

Anthony Davis. They called him that. That's crazy. Anthony Davis slash Rudy Gaubert. They called him Rudy Gaubert with a three. Who, man. Well, considering that Mo Bamba is now Anthony Davis's backup. No, he had not lived up to the height.

They called him Rudy Gober with a three. Yeah. Man, he might be lucky to be Evisa Zubach with half a three. I'm still, I'll take a Zubak. Honestly, I don't know why he said that. Yeah, no, man. When I think of Moabamba these days, I still think about that song. And when a song has surpassed your name, like you're done for, bro.

When I think of Moamba, I think of the fact that his feet look way too big for his body. Get disrespect. Shout some old, though. Once we start disrespecting body types, it's time for us to go. It's time for us to log off. Oh, man. Oh, man. I'm surprised you didn't say Ben Simmons and Magic Johnson.

I had Ben Simmons in there, but I'm like, this is too egregious. Should I try it? No, why not? We're done kicking Ben Simmons a ways down. Yeah, I don't know. Don't kick Ben Simmons. Yeah, man. If you're still here, comment Ben Simmons as bad.

Donovan, pay me my money. Oh, yeah, comment that. Comment that. Comment that. Comment, Donovan pay this man. That's funny. No, it won't happen. It won't happen.

All right, we're out of here. See you all later. Donovan pay this man his money.