The Deep 3 Podcast - Putting Every NBA Finals Player In A Tier List | TD3 Live

Episode Date: June 4, 2024

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we are live we're the row eaters at actually here today we're actually here today there was no delay I started the stream one minute early just to avoid the late allegations so now you guys got to shut up a little bit

listen my bad guys my bad listen we were moving around yesterday stuff got cooked five minutes before I'm sorry we're here though we are here in the new house you see the new background Do you want to tell people what's going on? Yeah, man.

Listen, I've been moving all weekend long trying to set up this office. Hopefully I can get it together by tomorrow whenever we, oh, wait, it's tomorrow. Oh, no, we're filming on Thursday night. So, yeah, so hopefully, yeah, so hopefully I can get it together in a couple days. We'll see if there's an echo also going to try and work on that. But, you know, we're going to get this stuff together. So cooking us over stream is one thing. But cooking us and the 200, 300 people here.

They crowned you just here over TikTok time. We have your address. I have your address, Donovan. Listen, I promise you, I promise you right now. TikTok time will not be affected by the moving situation. I promise you. We got our early donation from Joaquin 37. He says, huge shout out to Don.

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Don't say that. We're going to start out. Dog's name is Penny, by the way. This is Penny, everybody. Oh, my God. Look at that. She's not real. She's a mini golden doodle.

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Shout out to Ethan Edith Shout out your brother Happy birthday to your brother tomorrow We got a lot to talk about today Last episode we did our Real official NBA Finals preview We recorded that Directly after the game

In which the Mavs advanced So it was like our instant reactions First thoughts Today we'll do Our normal news stories That we always do we'll give you some more thoughts on the NBA finals we'll go through everything again

and see what you guys think that as you see by the title we're gonna put every single player in the finals into a tier list you got a little preview of that we got everybody in there we're doing this towards the end of the stream though so be a little patient for us

exactly we're starting we're gonna start with some news that just broke right before we got on it was incredibly timely shout out sham Sarania for coming in clutch

reporting basically that the Lakers are about the higher JJ Reddick. He's going to be their coach. It's all but confirmed. He's using very specific language to not say it's confirmed because they want to wait to announce it. But this shit is confirmed. He will coach Los Angeles Lakers. Listen, we talk about different... There's always jokes on Twitter about like different

different, you know, pipelines. The podcasting to head coaching pipeline is crazy. It goes hand in hand with the be on TV for two years and you will get a job in whatever league you're covering. That's exactly what JJ he gets doing. Shout out. Shout out

LeBron James. One of the homie of the year. LeBron James gets all of these tags or jobs. Good friend to have, especially if you're trying to be a coach. He can help get a coach hired. And him, Rich Paul and LeBron James have said every chance they can. Every time he touch a mic, LeBron James

is not involved in this coaching hire. He is letting the Lakers do it. He's not meddling, not putting any thoughts in there. Cap, cap, cap, cap, cap, cap. That's a lot. liars. I guess I believe he's not forcing their hand anyway, but I'm sure they ask him what he would like, and I don't think he's been shy about like, yeah, give JJ a chance, you know? Yeah. And of course, like, JJ has been interviewing for, was it, the Charlotte Hornets like

two months ago or so? Or maybe it was a month ago, and then he was also interviewing for the Tauna Raptors. Yeah. So it seems like it's a very strong passion for Jay just to go ahead and do so. I know that he coaches like his little his son's little league team and shit like that which is cute but it seems like i don't know where i heard this from whether it be a podcast or like my sources because i have sources um tap but he has a real passion for coaching and the only reason why he doesn't want to go ahead and accept a job fully yet is because you know he wants to call out the NBA finals and that's like a lot of grown man's dream yeah so it makes sense why it's like just easing in there yeah It all makes total sense.

And I know a lot of Lakers fans are not even just Lakers fans. Everybody's making fun of Lakers for hiring a podcaster, a guy who has no previous coaching experience. And they're like, why would you hire him, just LeBron's friend? Like, people were saying it's embarrassing and all this shit. I don't really feel that way as a Lakers fan. Like, I get it. I also wanted, like, Adelman or one of these other elite assistant coaches

that we know can do things. But if there's no real great prospect on the coaching market that they really like, I don't hate taking the chance on a player who we know is really smart, understands the game, by his peers will be a coach eventually i don't mind taking the risk on him and hoping he's the next pat rottily whatever like all these coaches that are former players don't have experience until they do so i don't mind taking that big swing yeah it's not it's not anything crazy like we we 100% have seen this before like steve kerr now granted steve care worked in the front office and he was

around you know NBA circles in that sense but he had never coached and then all of a sudden he gets a head coaching job derrick fisher did the same thing because he's not he's a head coached he was handpicked by Phil Jackson. Jason Kid, retired a week later, got a job. We've seen this over and over again in the NBA. However, having a rollout for your new head coach and your rollout being, yeah, we're going to do this podcast. It's crazy. It's insane. And like, I, again, I doubt that, like, LeBron is, like, you know, holding Jeannie Bus over a fire upside down saying, like, hire JJ Reddy. Like, clearly there's some level of influence.

And even if that's not the case, the optics of, hey, me and this guy just started a podcast together, that's clearly like my homie. And now a month and a half later, that's going to be our head coach. It doesn't beat the allegations of the GM, you know? It just looks weird. And I'm not saying it could be a very good hire and JJ could be fantastic. I'm not ruling any of that out. The optics of it initially just look weird.

I think it looks weird when you just like don't think about it past the optics because like Mo said, this is a guy that's been, he's been interviewing for head coaching jobs in the past. LeBron didn't pick him to do a podcast with because he's his friend, right? This isn't a Maverick Carter hire. He's not doing a podcast or Maverick Carter. This is a guy who is doing the pocket of him because he's in respect to basketball mind, because he's doing what he's doing in media, right? Like the same reason LeBron wanted to do a pod with him is the same reason that a team would want to hire him as a coach. So like it's correlation there, but it's not necessarily just because he's his friend, you know? all that tells me donovan is that lebron is one of the greatest homies of all time and now this

just makes me look at all my friends including youtube what are you guys going to do for me you know get you a head go to lebron's out here yeah exactly if j jay ready can do why can't i fucking do it you know ridiculous out here i need to revaluate my circle but unlike another note um it's going to be so interesting to see how j jay enters like one of the i think the lakers there's two coaching jobs in my mind that are absolute help being a Knicks head coach and also being a Los Angeles Lager head coach for obvious reasons the insanely toxic fan base and the media that's just like out of this world sometimes how do you guys think he'll like you know suit on that end I mean it depends if they win or not like if they lose right if they if they come out and they're mid or not meeting expectations everybody every the immediate narrative is going to be oh JJ wasn't ready to be a coach he did he didn't deserve the job. He only got the job because LeBron is his friend. And if they start winning, then they'd be like, wow,

look at LeBron. It's working out. Like, JJ's very smart. We should have seen this coming in a long time ago. Those are the only two ways that it's going to go. We're going to learn a lot about JJ Redick as a person than a professional because he's very active online. He's incredibly online. You listen to his pod.

That man is on Twitter heavy. He talks about Twitter storylines and things. He's like us. Yes. Narratives that you only understand. if you're deep in the trenches, seeing what the degenerates on Twitter are talking about. And he also hates bullshit. Every time it goes on TV or wherever we know,

he's famous now for being like, what the fuck are we talking about? This is idiotic. That is a trait that will be very interesting for a head coach that has to hear that about himself and his team and then go up on a podium and address it from a standpoint that is a little more pressure now because you can say whatever you want on first take

and the day you're just media guy, nobody cares. When you're representing a team and you're hearing narratives about like, Austin Reeves should be traded because he's shooting whatever from start the season all this bullshit. He's going to get up on the podium have to address that. It's going to be very interesting to see which side of Jeterretic we see.

He's going to get signed so many times. Probably. Two things. Two things. One, remember a couple of months ago when he called out Doc Rivers and he was like, Doc Rivers never takes accountability he's been doing it for years. Now is your opportunity.

I want to see you do the same job for a year in the most high profile job that there is with the most high profile superstar we've ever seen. I want I want to see you day in and day out do the things that you were criticizing dark purpose for that's one two this whole thing also is it really is just like a transparent look at honestly how the rest of the league works like if you think that other people in the league are not benefiting from their homies being in front office positions you're kidding you know what I'm

saying like you're food so one of the things in the story they were saying they said multiple sources briefed on the matter said one person who has become a respected unofficial resource for the Lakers was Duke coach uh coach was coach ke yeah to say coach okay i know uh listen i thought i was going to get there and then it it tripped me up but coach k is like one of the guys involved in this process and so now of course he's going to ride for it for his guy like that and so when you have the coach k piece at uh you have the coach k piece of it you have the lebron piece of it then you have also which is very real if you are on tv for a year, two years, right? You do this podcast and stuff. People do look to you and it makes you

look a lot smarter than you may be. I'm not saying JJ's dumb or anything, but there is, like, it does raise your level of credibility when we are seeing you on TV five times a week. We hear your podcast two, three times a week. And all those things are contributing to this. I'm, I'm so interested to see how this goes. It's just going to, the first month is going to be comedy. the jokes, if you thought that Darvinham hands in his pocket and all that the JJ stuff is going to be hilarious. Yeah, real quick before we keep going.

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I was going to be the brains in the back. And Donovan can get in touch with your soul and truly understand each and every player. Shout up to preach to the team, get a motivated. I feel like you light up a crazy speech. Nobody believes in you. That's me. I'm going to my favorite of the group.

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who knows at this point some former player goes onto a show and talks about how the team that they played for at one point would beat the shit out of 2017 Warriors, and Rashid Wallace is the newest one to do so. He thinks the 2004 Pistons would beat up the 2017 Warriors because for the simple fact that they couldn't match up with us in any position, Steph Curry is not a defender, Draymond Green is too little.

How do you guys feel? Just an old head yapping, bro. Just another old head yapping. Like, he just, go pick up your grandkids. They're at daycare waiting. Like, what are we doing at this point in time? What are we doing? Listen, I get it.

I understand the thought process. All these guys had an amazing team, championship teams. It's really easy to say this because nobody can prove you wrong, right? Like, you're never going to play each other, so you can just go out there and be the best because nobody can put it wrong. So you might as well, yeah, because you have a championship ring. You might as well gloat about it and say we can beat anybody. But obviously it's wrong.

Listen, the best part about this whole thing. is just the fact that we got Draymond Green saying we're bringing them big ass forces into every picket roll because somebody quoted Draymond's sweet and took a screenshot of the of the forces that receivers were wearing and they are chunky as hell those things it made me like so hard that's my that's my favorite part I don't care everybody's going to say and as you should everybody's going to say my championship team is the best. If you guys played in our era and we had to go up against us

at our best, you wouldn't win. You guys are crazy. You guys are professional athletes. This is how you have to think. I don't care about any of that. I'm just here for this. And Draymond got a good joke off. This was a random person who wasn't a championship team. This was like Marcus Aldridge being like my

Warriors or my Trailblazers would beat today's Mavericks, whatever. It would be like, shut up. We don't get this shit. But when you're a champion, you can say whatever you want. Your team has a ring. you have something to stand on like they're going to gloat and that's fine yeah exactly but also they like they'll be like they're like they're in their minds you you know in their minds it's like we beat the most dominant two main game of all time there's nothing that can stop us go ahead and also

he said it on a on a on a platform that's known for hot takes so nothing out of the ordinary there so yeah that's way to put it shout out to a non for tipping ten dollars he says Luca has played one less season than Tatum and now has multiple all-star caliber teammates. If you lose this, he will get the same slander Tatum gets next year if we're not winning a ring. Who are these multiple all-star caliber teammates you speak of? He said Luca has multiple all-star teammates?

Yeah, who are these multiple teammates? I guess he's saying, KP had made an all-star before he got. He's not about the Mavs. Oh, hey, man. Oh, no, has had. You're right. You're right.

I guess he is talking about Brunson and K-P. yeah whatever mentioned kp kairi that logic is just like driven by hate quite literally because at that point you're not making any sense right now you're just yeah you're not watching yeah and shout to kevin galicki for donating another $30 he said why is everyone trying to argue about greatness why can't we all disrespect these guys for being great fans out here trying to force brown tatum hate because it can't be happy let the NBA beat the NBA less love how good it is all right man Kevin galicki Kevin Kevin if the Celtics lose this series I want you to have that same energy because I know he was very confident

going into this series if Luca walks in and decimates the maps he's going to be like yo I hate Luca so much he's the worst he smiles he cries terrible I need to see him shout out to Dylan not Dylan for donating $5 he said the first stream he's able to catch

happy to see us bully senile former players nobody's bullying who's having a conversation that's all we're doing appreciate you Dylan chat what do y'all think about this Pick your starting five for Team USA, and it's the roster. I want to see who everybody's starting, because this is tough. What do you guys think?

This is a crazy stack lineup. I don't know where to start. No, it's not tough. Curry, Anthony Edwards, LeBron, K.D., Joel and Bid don't belong here, bro. What is he doing? Well, Joel M. Bid is here, so that makes it. I will not.

It's hard, but I guess I have to pick Joe M.M. Bid, if that's the case. I think BAM might be the best fit, or AD, obviously, but probably Joel. I mean, I'm Juelan B. He's like the fourth best player in the league. I think he's quite a good fit. But you don't want to start Anthony Davis?

You don't start Kauai? Jason Tatum? Is Tatum coming? Okay, that's the thing. I guess like if we were actually doing it, I would start, I would go with the lineup Moseb, but I would swap KD for Tatum.

But it's Kevin Durant. He's been on a million of the team. Yeah, how much you've got to explain to this? Yeah, he's not losing his stature like that. And obviously, like, LeBron's not coming off the bench. So it's probably what most said with Embed at the fight. Maybe, I mean, I feel like politics play a pretty big part of Team USA line of.

You'd think Embed might come off the bench because he's a new guy? Like, he just kind of latched on. Like, he thinks they might start Anthony Davis over him? Would they start BAM? BAM has been there. BAM has been with, I'm just saying. So is 80. He was there 2012, you know.

Yeah, Ben, I don't know. Also, are we sure that? Obviously, anti-Edwards was there this past, this past run. Are we sure that Booker doesn't get that spot over Anthony Edwards? I think Tatum might start the two over both of them or Kauai. I actually would be shocked if Kauai started. Yeah, I actually, never mind. I feel like Kauai might not even go.

I'm surprised. If he's on the team, I would be shocked. He should not play at all. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so maybe it's Curry, Tatum, LeBron, KD, AD, or Joel? yeah it's fine but with the head is with all this team that's been brewing around

anthony edward's name and what he did for last year's team which is obviously like not great i think he deserves that starting spot over booker or tatum yeah you can see that all right chat we're currently at 274 likes a thousand new in here doing your favor run those likes up for us let's see if we can hit a thousand likes before we get to the tier list i don't know maybe we'll see he's trying your gangster go ahead to do it topic of Jason Tatum, Zach Lowe went on Get Up and gave a rare Zach Lowe hot take, which isn't really that hot,

but, you know, very rarely is Zach Lowe in the news for something inflammatory. He said that Jason Tatum is emphatically not a top five player. He's not one of those top five guys in the NBA, not quite in the level of top four guys, maybe not even top five, he said. And his logic is Yokic, Lukah,

Embed, and Janish are the top four, whatever order you want. And then fifth, he's like, probably Shea. Do you guys agree? Is Tatum sure not a top five guy right now, or do you think there's still an argument for five? I think if he wins the finals, then, like, you can't really have as much of an argument because winning here is everything. But me personally, I've been saying Shea's the fifth best player in the NBA since, like, I don't know, November or December or something like that.

So I agree wholeheartedly. Yeah, I don't think it's crazy for sure. Like, it's not, it's not, I think I, last time we did rankings, I also put Tatum at six, but I think five or six is the debate. It's not crazy either way. Yeah, it I, okay, so I think whenever we did the rankings, I think I had Tatum top five. I think I had Shea at six, maybe, I can't remember.

Yeah. But if, I don't know, the ceiling and the idea of Pete Jason Tatum is just so like, like that, that idea is fantastic. It's great. Of this amazing, like, six, nine,

two-way, two-way wing, who can do it all. But there's this moment. It just doesn't feel like that. It just doesn't look like that. So I think I would pick Shea right now. It's hard because we definitely take Tatum for granted. And we dock him points for things that nobody else has docked for in a very silly way, I think.

So I want to be like, it's still Tatum. It's still number five. What are we talking about? There's no reason to lower him. But I think Shay is just elevating so high that I think he's damned or just as good. So I don't think it's crazy anymore to think Shay is equally good or a little bit better. but it's hard to balance Shay praise with not wanting to do too much

Tatum slander because there is too much Tatum slander these days. I just look at all the top players in the top first four. Like, you know, Yolkich, he is like quite literally a mastermind of specific areas of the game. Same thing with Luca Dantz. Obviously,

Joe NBee, he's a walking bucket. Yonis, MVP, defensive player of the year. Like, he's one of the best of so many categories. And Shays, he's one of the best in a few categories. worries himself when it comes to the mid-range game and how unstoppable it is for him to score at the basking stuff like that but with tatum i just he's good at a lot of things but i don't know if he's unstoppable when it comes to his three-point shot or his mid-range or anything like that he's

like great on a lot of things but he's on a mastermind at one specific depth from the chat is so divided right now we had a lot of jason tatem's overrated a lot of oh my god selfics hey he's clearly top five quite a polarizing player right now it's kind of crazy for clearly top five is disgusting for sure. I feel like Tatum shouldn't be that polarizing. I feel like he's like very, we know what he is. Like the highs and the lows, neither which are crazy. Like he is just Jason Tatum.

So it's weird that he's become the one that's so polarizing. I think that I think the reason why, because I think that to a certain extent you don't know what Jason Tatum is. Because on one hand, you've seen like we've seen Tatum score 50 in the game seven. We've seen him score 45,

46 with his back against the wall on the road in a game six. We've seen those amazing moments. And so like for players of his archetype, I would say it's like it's him, it's Anthony Edwards, shade to a degree where you are not this heliocentric player. You are, listen, two way, go get a bucket. When the game's on the line, I need you to come, you know, come save us. And it just doesn't feel like he is consistently that, like proven to the top of your archetype. When you actually are, like he is that talented and he does do a lot of great things, but it just doesn't, it just doesn't feel like that. Like the Tatum hate,

a lot of it is legitimately, your vibe is just off. Like I'm sorry. I'm going to say. You're just off. I can't say anything else. You just have a weird vibe. He averaged 27, 10, and six for the playoffs. And we're like, his vibes are terrible. He's not him. Like, this shit is so not based in reality. Like, he's fine. He's still Jason Tatum. Some games doesn't take as many shots because he has a lot of good teammates. He's not worse, though. But you say he's overrated though, or like people say he's overrated. For those people, right? Right now in the chat, if you think that Jason Tatum is overrated, where do you, in what range do you think Jason Tatum belongs in? Because if you, if we are having a conversation, you're like, Jason Tatum is uprated. And I'm like, all right, well, where do you

have him in the league? And you're like, I don't know, he's probably like the ninth best player. Like, shut up. Like, that's probably a hundred percent fair for Jake Taylor. Yeah. Look at this. Six to 10, five to nine. Shut up. I think, no, I think that's valid. He is definitely closer to 10. than he is to like top three four or five range well six is like right in the middle so that's right yeah it's like dead in the middle so yeah that's a neither here nor there thing whatever he's closer to me personally i'd right i'd there's never been a moment in my life where i'm like i'd rather have jason tato on my team than lebron james like someone said y'all forcing isaac to defend datum exactly i'm being forced to my hands being forward i don't want to defend him i don't give you

sure you're telling me there's been a point in time where you've been like oh yeah taitem has like officially surpass LeBron. You'd want LeBron on, you want Tatum on your team over LeBron when going through the playoffs or whatever the case. It's hard to discuss LeBron on this because there's a certain level of, like, aura that none of us can separate from LeBron and what we know we can do when he really tries in the game seven. But a game-to-game consistent basis, Tatum is obviously producing more of the past couple

years. Yeah, let's put Tatum in that. Let's put Tatum alongside DeLo, A.D. and Austin, we can see how that gets going, for for sure. Jackson Hayes is your back climbing and protection. I think he would do just fine I think they could also get the 8 seed I think they could also get the 8 seed and swept in the fucking first round

that's also very possible for him I don't know if that's possible for him considering like we're not talking about a high bar here they're the 8 seed I think they'll be like the 9th or 10th seed with Tatum with a Tatum led Lakers team for sure sure

same thing it could also be a playing team nothing would change but no what it's hard about I think the problem here is the top four guys are so clearly in their own tier and Tatum's clearly not in that tier he might be the top of the second tier

but the clear difference from that tier makes people think like how dare you put him in the conversation with those top guys when because when you say he's just below a little bit below Luca, Yannis, et cetera it makes it sound like you're saying he's slightly worse when he's noticed would be worse

but that's just where the line is drawn you know what I mean? Yeah Tatum once again nobody believes me what are you prepared to do like I it really is we're going to keep going back to this.

It really is just vibes. You do not feel like a top five player. And I can't do it. I personally can't do anything about that, right? I have no influence. I can say that Jason Tatum is an amazing two-way player all we want. He probably had a very good argument for Eastern Conference Finals MVP, right? And the fact that he didn't get it is just another like stupid not for people to be like,

see he's not him he's not that guy when yeah he also had a very good series 66% of you guys said no he's not top five listen I used to be telling Celtics fans relax Jason Tatum is not hated he's loved you guys just listen to vocal minorities never mind Jason Tatum is overhated I'm on their side now you guys got me oh you're just 66% of them 66% of them are correct that's not outrageous they think he's definitely top 10 just not top 5 I put number 6 I put number 6 so let me not act like it's crazy but No, let's do another pull. Let's split it up between tears and see what you guys think.

Because if you guys think he's in the back half of the top ten, I think you guys are hating your asses off. Where does Taylor? So seven is the lowest that you would go for Tato. I think six is the lowest. Seven, eight. I think seven would be. Actually, no, we can go seven.

Because if you want to put, like, if you want to trust that Curry is going to better next year and you still put Curry above him, that's fine to me, I guess. But, like, he's better than LeBron. He's better than K.D. He's better than Anthony Davis. Like, the rest of the guys. he's better than brown no way no way you guys truly don't believe that you guys don't again on a game on a game debate on a game to game basis yes it's easy to say that when lebron's surrounded by jack shit for sure

he's that surrounded by jack shit he has a superstar next to him a superstar and some decent role players like he doesn't have not have jack shit ah yes on the top of your role player list you rely on d'njo russell congratulations austin rhes richard these are not bad role players Rihachimura, did you just say that? Rehachimura? As your fifth best player, that's fine. Derek White, Drew Holiday, fucking Al-Borford, and

Jalen Brown. Why are we comparing him to the best Rossin in the league? Of course, the Celtics are better, but that's a perfectly fine supporting cast for a team with two superstars. LeBron's just old and can't quite carry the Loddy ones. That's not a fun. Can I do some

some Justin Herbert fan impersonation? If you put LeBron on the Celtics, right, they would be they would be they would be one of the best teams of all time if you if you play lebron on this year they already are so they already are whatever you think of them but like

and once again nobody thinks that the celtics are the only way that the celtics are going to get validated as one of the best teams of all time the only way that like their net rating their the record the fact that they you know only lost what two games throughout the uh throughout the the playoffs the only way any of that gets validated

is if you win a championship. It doesn't matter if you lose. And they probably will. It doesn't matter. Even if you lose in game seven and overtime on a Luca buzzer-beater shot, if you do not win, everything goes out the door.

And it's because nobody trust them. If you had LeBron on this team, you would trust this team a million times more. I hear you, but you're saying if we had LeBron on this team, they would do what they're probably about to do anyways with Jason Tatum. like we treated a place in Tatum like they're not succeeding at the fucking highest level

yeah you're right but you can do more i need more what do more than 64 wins and two losses in the playoffs no you can't do more you can do more you can do more confidence more aura i'm saying it all right i'm saying and also like on a basketball topic thing or two back on the basketball topic or whatever like lebron being placed in that system i'm just thinking like I just value players like LeBron's archetype obviously a lot more. And his late game decision making would clear every single issue and dart that people try to throw at the Celtics parade. And that's the number one thing that they stroll out because of their, you know, who's head honcho on that squad, you know? So that's why I'm just like, if LeBron was on that team, this team would be disgusting.

It's still a disgusting, but it would be nastier. I don't disagree. That's not enough Jason Timm defense for one day. 40% of you guys voted 5 or 6 for where Tatum ranks. 34% of you voted 7 or 8. So it's a pretty good amount of you think he's closer to the back half of the top 10. That sounds like you're ready. I'm ready to see online.

Derek White saved Jason Tatum's legacy. I know what's coming. I know it's going to happen. I'm waiting to see her. You're going to be the one starting that right there. Listen, is it written down in my notes app? Do I have a tweet ready? Maybe. Who knows?

We'll see how the series goes. We can move on to the next news story. Good little slide. Jason Tatum, rant. I'll be a good clip. Isaiah Hardenstein could receive up to $100 million in free agency. League executives and cap strategists are projecting Hardinstein will be able to draw at least $80 million and perhaps up to $100 million from a team

hoping to steal Hardinstein from Madison Square Garden. Donovan, do you want to pay him $100 million as a Knicks fan? Listen, man, go get your bag. Listen, I would never hate on a black man going to get his bag. Somebody's out there trying to give Isaiah Hardinstein $100 million. We're just going to have to lose them. And that's just going to be what it is. I'm very happy for him.

He played extremely hard. But the fact that, like, Brunton is coming back. Brunton, amazing. Shout out to you, taking, giving us a deal. That's awesome. Idiotic. Don't say amazing to that. But continue.

From a team building perspective, yes, it's amazing. from a personal standpoint, you should have got about $50 million more. However, I think the biggest thing is that the OG and an OB contract is looming. And I have no idea what the NICs are going to be able to pull off. If they're able to do with OG, the same thing that they did with Brunson and get kind of a team-friendly contract, maybe we could spend a little bit more on Hartnstein. But if not, and if OG is like, no, I'm here for my dollars, then you have, You have to prioritize OG over

Hartenstein and then They can keep both They can definitely keep both They'll just have to offload other pieces Would you be okay with them Let's say it's close to 80 million than 100 Let's say listen Isaiah We can give you four years of 80 million

If you get 100 is too much for us You don't want to be in the second apron But you can stay and maybe content for 80 million Would you be willing to do that If it means having to trade Mitchell Robinson? See I love Mitch I love Mitch But he's always hurt

he is I don't know I have to think about it also because I need a I also need to I need to fully assess how I feel about Julius Randall going into this next year

because on one hand when Randall Brunson and OG were playing they were like 15 and 2 and it's like okay this is great yeah do you actually believe that that 17 game stretch is what you are going to be for an entire year and if you do

then okay we can trade Mitch and we can do that you have Deuce and you have Dante on probably two of the five best contracts in the league so it's fine you have that that wiggle room I don't know but I think I would say yes I think I would I would take heartenstein over Robinson right now okay I started a poll who'd you guys rather pick heartenstein or Mitch oh I did a crazy typo in that but you guys pick while they while they vote on that and they read off some donos real quick shout to equalizer for tipping one dollar since heartenstein is bright skin never mind

There's a question after that. Shout out to Horse of Yokic for tipping $1. He said, Yonis lost top five status because he's the sole reason Thanastus is in the league. I think that makes him a great brother. That makes him even better. That makes him... I'd have an argument that he's number one.

Only Hall of Fame. Got his brother a ring, a contract, and a podcast. Shout up to Equalizer for tipping another $1. Shout to Horst Yokic for another $1. Shout to Kevin Gullochie for $20. He said, why is everyone trying not to let Boston be happy? You know how down bad we are. the Patriots are going to go 0 and 16.

The Red Sox have an owner who thinks his team is on food stamps and the Bruins don't know how to get past the second round of playoffs. That's true. Food stamps is hilarious. Bro, the Red Sox, the Red Sox right now are the baseball version of the Atlanta Hawks. They are mid. Bro, I saw a tweet today. They at like a certain point in the season,

they were one and one, two and two, four and four, seven and seven and then right now they're 30 and 30. They are the definition of mid right now. they do they do not care about winning games shout out to soup for donating three dollars he said that john stockton hate two weeks ago was unacceptable he's over 5,000 more assistant steve Nash so he's five thousand times better that's how they'd say they be acting one last question unless you have more donos I do have more don'tos shout out to Kenneth clardy for tipping ten dollars he said love y'all's content mo how do you feel like getting the number one pick in the draft after wemby I feel immaculate And shout to Kevin Glecky for ten more dollars We're all caught up

And shout to Louis King for $3. Are you said you guys about to watch that show About how ass the clippers are? Maybe eventually. Not on top of my list though. I will watch that show through Twitter. I will watch the two three-minute clips at a time. That's hilarious.

That's hilarious. Wait, one question, though. If you guys wanted to see Isaiah heartenstein on another team what team would you want to see him in i like the grislies they need a big if they're not going to be a draft clinging i like going to go to the grisleys true yeah that's cool okay so we'll be fired i have no i have no thoughts i think hardinstein would be less impressive on a team that's not the nix than we was with them so i kind of just hope he stays i agree next new story where we got we're going

the never nuggets are apparently fans of gordon heyward do you guys want to see gordon heyward play with nicole yokech i don't want to see gordon heyward play NBA basketball anymore i think we yeah i think we have exhausted the gordon hayward experience using the verbiage fans of gordon heyward just sounds like something that no one has ever said since like the year 2015 or whenever he was an all-star that sounds outrageous yeah you look at you're not you're not let me see what these are looking like this is awful he has uh All right, so this last year, go to Hayward average 5.3 points. Let's see.

Before he was averaging nearly 15 points per game in Charlotte. Okay, that's fine, I guess. He has been on a steady, steady decline, and we have all seen it. This is not good. Yeah, I'm over it. Big over it. Chat, where our 461 likes, can you get us to 500? I think so.

Trace McGrady on Steph Curry. Trace McGrady says, Steph Curry hasn't cracked my top 10 yet. that's terrible we feel oh okay you're you just like that yeah yeah you you lagged out but I did see this I did see this clip I think it's perfectly okay um if you don't have stuff curry in the top

the nine and ten spots in the top 10 have like six legitimate guys that you can actually put there if you have Steph Curry anywhere from like nine to say about 13 14 I'll look at you and I say okay fine like you're okay it just comes off as hating because he retired a long time ago the reasoning is silly the reasoning is really silly i think but it isn't crazy to put him 11 or 12 so i respect it in big picture but if that's a reason like what are we talking about yeah exactly i agree as long as he's top 15 then there's no real gripes to be had on my end

15 in my gripe a little bit 15's a bit low for me but yeah it'd be worse okay we got a one got to go everybody's in their prime y'all one has to go okay i see what we're doing here i see why you put this in the dogmo one got to go step curry paul george kairrie irving or camelo antony one got to go in their prime why is step curry in this graphic what is he doing here this is ridiculous why is step koree with these motherfuckers it's insanely disrespected by being put in the graphic in any conversation with mellow paul george and kairie i'm sorry you know why because this fucking Twitter account says hoops mix only

this is some back Twitter brain dead motherfuckers that think Steph Curry is worse than Kyrie or something This isn't 12 years So who's going The other three I think you can pick any of the other three I would say Paul George is probably safe But what do you think

Kyrie can't go Because he's a part of NBA history It's either Paul George or Mello Mellow goodbye I probably keep Mellow if you delete Paul George his prime from NBA history you miss out on nothing and the exact same shit

happens I what are you judging it off of I'm thinking just who's a better player you're talking about like not causing time loops and ruining the timeline yeah because that matters in terms of like

importance and like how you're in like a sci-fi movie you're talking like you're in X-Men days of future patch trying to have to ruin the world yeah exactly bro I'm on my I'm on my chair I'm like Lex Luther in this bitch

Donovan. Sorry, Paul. Damn. Goodbye. Sorry. You ruin his or when you just call him Paul. Don't call him, Paul. Call him PG-13.

Call him PG-13 or podcast P. What are them? Paul's a funny name. You've seen, listen, you've seen that clip of Jalen Brunson. And Josh Hart on the podcast, that is what you sound like right now. That is what you sound like. But you're glazing, you're glazing extremely hard. I'm not going to do it here.

It was very vulgar. I forgot how he did it. Oh, God. That's nasty. Clip that for me, please, and send it to me on Twitter. Next new story. Anthony Edwards and the Timberwolves chose not to participate in inside the NBA interviews, standing in solidarity with Kat and Rudy Gobert against criticisms from

Draymond Green. They protested Draylon Green. Good. The quote says, Edwards was surrounded by a tight-knit team, one with such strong

chemistry that had decided as a group that no player would appear on inside the NBA's post-game show after the game four victory in Dallas. This decision was a sign of support for Goberin Towns who were subject to

what the fuck? Derogatory? Oh, derisive and seemingly personal criticism from panelists and Golden State 4 Dramon Green. My brain said, what the fuck does that word say?

I've never heard that word in my life. This is awesome. Shout out, aunt. What a good leader. This is tough. I like this. They're saying L. Reader in the chat. Yeah.

I just, I glist. No, this is great. This is awesome. Dremont was out there coaching Daniel Gafforda. I was like, out of Garboody Gaubert. I was like, what are we doing here? This is crazy. Yeah, no.

No, we're not going up there. Yeah. Yeah. Dremond, what he was doing on inside the NBA, Listen, inside the NBA is a silly A silly fun show that is not serious in any way He made that shit awful He was a terrible presence on inside the NBA

There is a fine line to toe When being silly when roasting people When doing your thing That makes Shaq Kenny all them famous Dremont saw that line And just punched right through it And made it so corny So just punching down

Just nonstop making fun of people In a way that just came off as so fucking lame yeah like if it was funny then like okay we get it but he was over here saying Rudy go bear keeps on talking about some we wee we wee we we no Rudy

that was funny no no no no he got that he got that he got that that was funny that was funny but it was funny because it's the first thing he said

like the first day it was funny for the first day and then when he beat a dead horse for six rate appearances it's like we get it eventually it was just like come on this is bad TV Welcome to new media.

I told you, it was just a matter. It was just a matter of time before new media becomes just media. Like you understand that you go into these situations. And whenever the offseason, whenever the off season hits, I can't talk. You are going to have you. What's up? I was a green comment. I wasn't trying to laugh at you.

If you see in the comments, though. The day in the chat said, I got two words for you. Draymond Greene, Rudy Gobert, no CTV. No CTV. They said L talker, L speaker. El speaker. All right, next topic, next topic. I think we should expound on this a little bit.

Matt Barnes talks why the Lobcity Clippers didn't win. First, I so Joe in the chat, in the IG comments, said Utah Jazz broke that shit up with a winky face. Matt Barnes said, nah, Doc broke that shit up when he paid his son all that money. He lost a team after that. Bro, all former Clippers players have nothing but static for Doc River.

That's crazy. He fucking hate his ass. And Austin Rivers. What did Austin Rivers do besides just get drafted and play for his dad? It's not his fault. It makes no sense, too, because he was genuinely like one of the better high school players

and he went to Duke had a great one-year career there or whatever. He earned a lot of the things that he did, but I can see how it looks to a lot of players who weren't getting as many opportunities as someone like him. Austin Rivers. Here we go. Listen. Here we go.

No, no. Legitimately, people have been slandering him for like three months now because anytime he talks about anything related to the NBA, they're like, you weren't this, you weren't that, like you've never been good. Like most said, that's wrong. Austin Rivers was amazing in high school. Austin Rivers was one of the top prospects. He was a really good college player.

Top 10 NBA draft pick. Austin Rivers, the NBA player was not fantastic. He was not a great player, right? He started off poorly. He had some good years towards the end. The Rockins, he was a good role player. It was good. And again, but that's towards the end.

If you go and you look at the season that he gets traded to New Orleans, right before he was averaging or that season, he averaged seven points, two assists, two rebounds on 30% from three, 41% from the field. He gets traded to the clippers and gets a new contract immediately. It looks bad when you are putting up inefficient triple singles and your father is the coaching you get a new contract.

I'm not saying it's wrong. I'm not saying that if that was my son, I wouldn't have done the same thing. Here you go, son. Get your bag, right? We're building generational wealth out here. It just looks a certain way when you are 20-something years old have really struggled in the league. And then now you're getting this new contract because your father is this and that. And I just see the perception of it just looks a certain way.

Yeah. You know what looks bad? You know what looks a certain way too? We have 1,200 people here watching this glorious TD3 live stream on this glorious Tuesday. 1,200 people. And we have less than 550 likes in this goddamn stream. And don't look bad on us. We're doing our thing.

We're drawing the audience right now. But the real crown eaters, who dare call themselves a crown eater? You only hit the like money. You're watching us yet for days and entertaining y'all? He gets so aggressive with it. Bad on you. Makes you mad. The Cavaliers are showing willingness to keep their core four.

The Cavs don't appear very motivated to listen to trade inquiries for any member of their core for, sources said, even with the possibility that Garland's representation at clutch boards could move to request a trade if Mitchell extends long term. Why? why? Why? We've done this for two years. Stop it. Let them go. Why? Sometimes loving somebody means you have to let them go. And for Darius Garland, see ya. You know what I'm saying? For Jared Allen, see ya. You guys have to go somewhere else. I can't do a third year of this experiment. I hope First of all This is a Jake Fisher report

Massive grain and salt attached Naturally I really hope this is posturing For trade value Because We talk about that length Something has to give I nothing I hate more

Than watching a team That should have blown it up Two years ago Pushing through Please don't be the bulls Never go full bulls They're not They wouldn't be on that level

That's a good like meter though to go ahead and use but maybe they're just like I'm trying to ration with the delusion here so it's probably not going to make sense what I'm going to say but I'm going to try to make sense out of it. Oh, Jerry Allen wasn't healthy and we see Evan Moby

now flailing locked and maybe Evan Moby can be a little bit more like I don't know I don't get it like it just doesn't make any sense. Yeah, whatever. Next story. Kevin Durant was in the club and Kevin Durant was practicing on his post game. He was getting jumpers up.

Ball is motherfucking life. He was in there pivoting. Look at him going nuts in there. just like us practicing his rip through he does this shit all day all night you're scaring them relax you're scaring people man locked in that's what this is can't be more locked in than this no days off katie is what 36 going to turn 37 years old or something like that as far as we know like no kids never had a family show up to his game other than like his mom and brother or something like that family what do we expect

true there's two notable members of his family so shout out of you know what I mean listen honestly it's a little frightening but if you if you put this with a two step

that's all you need is to stay in the pocket with the two step and one move you know that's really good you give us like a representation what it looks like with a two step you know what I'm saying just right here just right here you know what I'm saying okay

Alright, okay. Just right there, right there. Not too much, what's up? You know, that's... That's the end of our news stories, y'all. Send it out with the bang. Now we are here for the thing that the stream is titled after. We are going to put every single player

that's going to play in the NBA finals into a tier list. Someone said I just subscribed because of that. Don is riszing me up. What don't have been diving, bro. This is what we need. Don combined the salsa into a jump shot. That's our answer.

That's me. Can't name another podcast if we do something like that. 101 talent. Yeah, man. So real simple. We have all the relevant players from the NBA finals. We have a nine-man rotation for the Celtics. And I have 11 guys for the Mavs.

Maybe we can knock out Tim Hardaway, Jr. I don't know if he's going to play. But I put everybody that might play. I didn't put O'Shea Burset in there. I didn't put Xavier Tillman. They're not going to touch the fucking. in court. This is everybody has a realistic chance to getting at least some minutes, even though some of those

self these guys won't. All right. We can knock out T.HJ. This man has had multiple DMP CDs. No, sir. No, sir. Okay, so I'm viewing this as basically like we're ranking the players and just like how good they are, how good they've been in the

playoffs so far, what we can assume they'll do in the finals and just like overall talent level. Is that fair? Okay, okay. That's fair. First of, obviously, Lucas S-tier. So he'll be the first. You know, we'll start with Luca S-tier, T-H-J-F-tier. These are the two polar sides

that we had to balance everybody between. That is hilarious. Sounds good. Somebody said, why is Derek Y, with the old hair cut? Yeah, I got an old picture here. My bad. I should have put the ball to you. I didn't mean to.

Where do you guys want to start? Who do you guys want to talk about first? Okay. Let me go on the list. Where do we want to put Do we put Jason Tatum in S-tier or A-tier? Start off there. Let's get the first hot debate out the way.

I mean, S-tier belongs to like clearly, I think someone who stands in a tier alone and I don't know if Jason Tatum can necessarily He's not that. Yeah, yeah, unless you think Yeah, unless you think that Jason Tatum can legitimately go band for ban with Luca

every single game, he has to be an A-tier. Let's start a pull. Jason Tatum, S-R-A. I think, listen, insofar that they're both top six or seven players, the best player in their teams. I can understand doing them in the same tier. But, listen, we have a lot of tiers to work with. We need some separation.

I think Lucas is clearly better than Tatum. I think, like I said, the top four players in the league are in their own tier. Jason Tam's the top of the next tier. I'm cool at A as well. There we go. Realist. Absolutely.

So that's the case. Jalen Brown, B tier? Is that the next immediate one? That makes sense? I'm thinking A tier. No. Come on. I'm, listen, if we're talking about how good they've been in the playoffs,

how good I think that he can potentially perform in this series as well, I think Jalen Brown has shown through this entire run that he's been awesome too. And I think, like, is it crazy to think that Jalen Brown might have a better series or has been a little bit more consistent than Jason Tatum throughout the playoffs? Yeah, because I think we give him the benefit of, we know he's a two option and we know what comes with that. And we act like Jason Tim doesn't make his life easier. We act like Jason Tatum isn't asked to be more of a playmaker. We act like, you know, there's a reason that Jalen Brown is able to succeed in an easier fashion. There's a reason why Jason Tatum is still able to.

be playing in June, and it's because Jalen Brown is also there making his life easier as 26, 10, and 5. Jason Tatel has not been bad nor inconsistent. We're so dramatic. Jaylon Brown is averaging 25 and 5 on really good efficiency throughout the entire playoffs, averaged nearly 30 a game last series, right? It just had a 40 piece last series. We've seen Jaylon Brown be able to elevate to that level. I don't think it's crazy to think that him and Tatum might be on the same exact level, especially when Jay and Brown's defense is also good. We rank players so many times you've never once

ring Jaylon and we're close to Tatum. If we rank the best players in the league two weeks from now for the playoffs, are you going to rank them in the top 15? Let me see. Let me see something. I don't know. If new information comes my way, I can't just throw it to the current. Fair enough.

I vote me, listen to the chat, it has currently 82% are saying A. So they're all wildly agreeing with you. so what what do you think moe i think joan brown is clear as day he's a b like if you put jalen brown as the head honcho with this team and like it's just different attention that you get no one is catering your deed no one is no head coach is centering their entire game plan defensively around jason jaylon brown and figuring out how to stop him like jason tatum is the first point of emphasis on that team it's just hard and he gets all different types of

looks and Jalen Brown looks just tend to be easier. And now you're just outside of that. We know, nobody has ever thought that Jalen Brown is in the same level. We've always very clearly known. Jason Tatein is the best player in this team. He's the guy that gets first team all NBA's. He's the guy that is talked about and has a pressure of being this top player. We know that he's better than Jalen.

We have known for years. I don't give a shit who won the Eastern Conference Finals MVP. That doesn't change any of that. Tatum could have won that and I still would be saying the same thing because again, Jalen has been fantastic. this entire run. So I, listen, if you want to end up going to be fine, I guess I'm outvoted. Because if we're, if we're basing it solely on like overall talent, yes, you are correct.

But in terms of what people have produced this postseason and how we think that they're going to do in the finals as well, I think Jaylon Brown has been as good as anybody on the Celtics, this entire, the last two months. Well, listen, the chat's with you by a large amount. So we'll go with you because it's two, two. We'll sign it's like 500 to two or so. like that so we'll go with you i just think that someone said that was in the past back then jalen wasn't as good as tatum do you really think that's changed dramatically or do you think it's maybe it's possible that it's recency bias the other way like i don't think they've really changed as

players in the past six months nothing changed at all slightly stronger left you know jane's great i think it's fantastic he's still improving yeah but okay listen 78% is a wide margin we gotta go with a chat that's fine Kyrie though I thought Kyrie and Jalen should both be B tier

I think they're both clearly a little bit worse in Tatum but does Kyrie B tier or does he also get A tier? I think I personally would pick Jalen over Kyrie Wow Jalen over Kyrie

I think this is the That's not crazy I think this is like the best version of Kyrie I would I wouldn't be opposed to putting Kyrie in A. So if we want to do that, that's fair. And probably, it probably should be there.

Like, Brown and Kyrie should be on the same tier. Yeah, but Tatum and Kyrie should most certainly not be in the same tier. That's why I'm like, Brown has to probably drop so we can make this thing look a little bit more realistic. The problem is that means we're giving Jalen and Kyrie, like we're pushing them up to their best case scenario while Tayan was on his worst case scenario. And we can't really think they're all in the same tier, can we? Oh Tatum and Kyrie I did a poll

81% are saying A Of course 81% are saying A It's Kyrie He's fucking loved But like Come on man We gotta There has to be some separation

In these tears You can't put everybody good in A There will be tears When we get to Grant Williams And KP That would be separation But like Hey

Okay We're talking about the We're talking about The four best players In this series And guys who have Throughout the Throughout the postseason

performed at a pretty good level. I think, if anything, Kyrie, throughout this postseason, has performed the worst. Everyone's saying just make Tatum S. Y'all, everybody wants to just make everybody higher because they don't want to put their favorite players like Kyrie lower, but we don't think Tatum and Lukar are

on the same tier, so we can't put Tatum S. Everyone, yeah, like that just can't happen. It's a clear sweep here, y'all. This happens every time we hear this when we get the chat involved. Everybody wants to give everybody a nudge up when really some people have to go down. I'll go Kyrie B. You vote Kyrie B?

Yes. No, I sure, sure. I'll probably be B as well. So there we go. Sorry, Chad. You guys are out of voted this time. For once we've got to deviate from you guys. We've got to revisit this A and B thing towards the end.

So we'll come back. Definitely. You guys are going to try to steal it at the end. I see the writing on the wall. Just go ahead. Just go ahead. Put Jalen Brown and B. I know what's going to happen.

Yeah, we're giving it. We're giving Chad. Oh, yeah. No, no, we have to decide with chat We don't either side with chat Or we can't at all We can't pick and shoes We have to decide

Are we going with chat or are we not? If we go to chat This whole thing is going to be busted Because they might troll us We can only go a chat One time And if this is the one time They want to go chat

Then okay Dude is that to be Understand I'm rocking with you I thought you should have been an A I just I don't want to do I know it is I don't want to disrespect

Kyrie and put them below Jalen When I think they're equal but not everybody can be A that's the problem Yeah Let's throw a chat Let's just put them in there For now

We'll revisit at the end To avoid friction We'll come back at the end And see where everything comes out Someone said it's your show Listen it's a live stream If it was a regular episode We wouldn't be asking y'all

Because we'll give a fuck It's nobody's here But if you guys are here We're gonna ask you Okay Christos Porzingis He's He should be Bibu

Because of how this thing is set up so far He's C let's see what the chat thinks yeah KP are we going B or are we going C everyone's saying

spamming Grant Williams is not on this fucking list yeah brother was stuck back in last year or not even last year you were stuck in November I think KP and B

makes sense right that's probably we're going to land on if we're talking to importance we really got to put KP and A like I just oh my God the whole world is B is that he

really unlocks a lot of stuff. Derek lively. This importance. Derek Lively is hot. Fantastic rookie. But in terms of how good. Once again, unlocks a lot of stuff. Can we put Derek Lively be equally as good as KP in this tier list?

Nope. Nope. Nope. Probably not. Yeah, he has to be C. He has to finish R.C. He's not, if he was scoring at a higher level or maybe popping a few threes, he could be on the same tier as Christososso's Brazilian's, but he's not there just yet.

he's a rookie so yeah he's definitely the best player in c it's going to be that but that's fine if we come down to actually no because i think these guys are moving down to begin with so we'll see daniel gafford daniel gafford has been worse than derrick lively clearly d there's nobody else on the map that i'm putting in c or above there's nobody what okay let's keep going Al Horford Al Horford. Al Horford should be in probably D or C. I might lean

towards D. That's a hard one. He should be in D. He's been asked to do too much so he's been struggling a little bit. But he also hasn't been like detrimental and he's still at Horford. He still spaces the floor. Smart defender can pass.

I want to say C. Nah, I don't think he can be in C. Then I think about like, he's better than Gafford. He is, but they have set him up to because of the injury he's just been set up to fail and or oh not not fail not fail but like overextend himself so in a perfect world he probably should be c but based on everything that way he's back the world's perfect again do we want to put see i don't want to go d because

that means that we would have to put drew holiday in the same tier as Al Horford and that's just not right I think listen I think we put Al Horford C and then put Drew Holiday and Derek White

both be Hmm go ahead Drew Holiday Look at this if we put it this way I feel like KP, Drew and Derek White are interchangeable

on who's most important at any given night they all bring you two-way impact Derek Whitemore shooting KP obviously is force-facing rent protection

like they all bring you something else I do you want Did you hold any to be one lower he doesn't look as impactful as Derek White and Chris House Braznius

I mean there was there were several games there's been several games in the postseason where Drew Holiday has actually turned up on both ends of the floor and his defense has been fantastic he's also been shooting Ah yes turning up on Andrew Nemhard Hey somebody has to be

Okay okay he's being bad Andrew Nemhardt Somebody has to be the guy It tastes less shots You can't have five guys out here slinging it Like somebody has to be the fifth option And that's true Hey yo

What are you watching? But no I would I think Drew is at the bottom of B tier I would I would put them at the bottom of B tier Okay If we were ranking them

I would put white porzingis Drew Someone said Gafford stand Mazz fans are mad Putting Gafford in D Do you guys Do you guys really watch that series reason that Gafford is just as good as lively. Lively is much better.

Lively is a far better defender. Lively is a far better passer. Far more valuable than Gafford. This isn't to say Gafford sucks. He's not an F tier, but lively is so much more important. True. They see those Gafford alley hoop blobs and I don't blame them.

It is what it is. There's a reason they lost all the Gafford minutes and won the lively minutes. Lively is incredibly important. But, I mean, there is an argument, I guess, for Gafford, DBC and Lively B.B. but I don't know I don't want to do too much praise

for the rookie even though I love them but is that are we doing a little much there it's too much don't let these guys fool you stay on business you do the right the first time this is correct okay

PJ Washington he might be C as well right put him in D what D worse than Al Horford why you make it back like Al Horford sucks

he doesn't suck but he's not worse PJ Washington is not worse than out Horford I think they're genuinely on the same tier I think I think PJ Washington

could be C I think his perimeter defense is incredibly important it's very much needed we know his shooting could be a swing factor we know his physicality down low could be a swing factor

he's positive positively impactful in his minutes like lively live is a little bit better but I think Gaffords clearly like holds them back sometimes

to play big minutes, and PJ Washington doesn't have that problem. I agree. And I've seen PJ Washington hit clutch shot after clutch shot making great decisions. But is he the bottom of a seat? Probably. Sure. That's fair. That's fine.

Maxie Kleeva. Nice little D. Okay. Nice way to put it. That's crazy. next next player next put in that tier

right above right right above F Payton Pritchard oh none of these at home none of these folks are playing

they're going in F tier at home oh whoa Payton Pritchard Payton Pritchard can be see if he's at home yeah he's a great player you have a Peyton Pritcher in detail

this is the second day in a row me and Mo have been talking unrelated and you You start slobbing Peyton Pritchard. You love Payton Pritchard. He is an absolute bucket. Don't Mo. Payton Pritchard is an absolute bucket.

He is a three-level score. Can you get it anywhere on the court. I've seen a bit timely threes before throughout the regular season for the Celtics. Sure. I'm not putting Payne Pritchard in the same tier as Daniel Gafford. As a person who controls a mouse and they're both losing minutes, what's the difference?

And if you're losing minutes with... You lose minutes and cool ways of Peyton Pritchard, too. When you see the Payton Pritchard game in game four, we told you. Exactly. Josh Green. Are all these Mabbs in D-tier? Yeah. Derek White.

I said Derek White. Derek Jones. He, yeah, he's in detail. Derek Jones is really important, too. Yeah. He could be in C because he's truly a fantastic defender on his cutting and lob threat is OD important to and obviously his shot is an extractor as well.

Maybe he is to see. Yeah, I think Derek Jones especially in this series when they need the primitive defenders. Him and Peter Washington are like crucial for guarding Jalen and Tatum. So now they're looking at this. Does Daniel Gaffer got to be C? He looks like he's pretty clearly the best player in this tier. In D.

Listen, you could dominate your tier. Yeah, you can be the best one. You really can be the best one on. So Daniel Gafford. Welcome. Chat. Spam your qualms. Let us know everything you're a problem with. I'm seeing a lot of Pritchard in D tier.

For what? He's not going to play much. Why is Payton Pritchard in F and Jaden Hardy's in D? Like, that doesn't make any sense. The logic behind that is just like... Okay. Yeah, which one you want to move up? Which one you want to move up?

Put Peyton Pritchardt higher. Okay. Yeah. Okay. I'm not, okay. Go ahead. You can have it. That's not disrespecting him.

Yeah. I don't even have been... I'm fine for you right now. Yeah, I didn't mean to be like he has to be F. that's fine. Does anybody else in D need to move up? Max and Cleaver could

potentially move up because he's going to be an important factor in this series as well. Someone's an XM and F tier, you hate her. XM is nice. Yeah.

Anthony Edwards had him shaking ass in one of those last games that we saw in play, so I don't know. He didn't do shit. So I was saying Jalen and Kyrie and B again.

If we do that, everybody has to move down though. And then we're combining the D and FT. tiers, which... Yeah. Yeah, I think it has to...

Do we got to put Tatum and S tier? No, I don't want to do that. Why? We're not doing it. Fuck you, Tatum. We're not doing it. No, sorry, Tatum fans. Okay, so the S and A tiers are good.

I think we're fine there. And, yeah, judging by the chat, that's not the biggest. Someone's a create an E tier. What, just for Tim Hardway? Oh, no, for Peyton Pritchard and J. Nardi. The E for effort, because they be... They do be given effort those seven minutes that they do play. That's true.

Someone said Tatum is closer to Luca than he is to J.B. and Kyrie. I agree, but these other guys don't. He is not. He's closer to Luca than he is to J.B. and Kyrie. He's not. I think Luca's in his own, like, stratosphere, genuinely. So that's why I disagree with that. Okay.

Does lively need further consideration for B-tier? No, I think we're good Lively they don't deserve I think we're okay Again, the chat is trying to get you to move everybody Up a level It's fine, right?

People, you have to prove yourself. Jason Tatum You have to ascend to a level that Luka is on to be on his level To be on his tier. Derek Lively As great as you have been, you are not as good as Christop's whizzing

As you are not as good as Drew Holiday or Derek White I'm sorry So like you are He can be the best of C tier Again These are role players Play your role

Dominate your field And that is what Derek lively Is doing in the C tier Yeah You can convince me be though At times But I think the only one that stands out to me

Really is maybe moving It's Gafford I feel like he's better Like Jaden Hardy and Pritcher in this tier Maybe Gaffert should you see But also That's kind of poo-oo-oo-flatter tier for sure Maybe he is like low-end

C because he is a starter at the end of the day. There you go. Gafford Hive, you win. Gafford C. We'll give you that one. The rest of the hives, zip it. He could still be a bad starter. Wow. Yeah, this is fine. I think that this will work. People really hate Horford being a C. Why do you think Horford is cooked? He's not that washed.

Do they want him lower? Yes. Everyone wants him indeed. There's no way. There's no way. You guys are haters. What did he do? There's no way. All he did was be old and Dominican. He's fine.

Old and be a Dominican. I see a lot of people saying lively, like, is better than Drew and also their stuff. I think there's a world and where they can have the same level of impact, but as of now, he probably deserves to B and C.

You could sweet talk to me. Let's order the tears. Let's make a spice here. Let's order these tears. Okay. Tatum, Jalen, Kyrie, that's fine. Order. K.P. White, Drew?

Or is white better? Give me Derek K.P. Drew. Okay. Yeah. C tier. This is the one I was really doing this for. Lively's best. Is Horford's second best?

Considering his consistency, probably. Actually, is this already perfect? Is it Lively, Horford, P.J., Derek Gafford? You might be able. I'd only... You might be able to talk. talk me into. If any one of y'all felt strongly about PJ over Al, you might be able to talk me into it. Sure. Let's do that. But I'm not, but I'm not, I'm not going crazy over it.

PJ over Al. I changed my mind actually. Ordering the tears is nonsense. I don't think I want to do it anymore. We don't need to go. I glanced at Dean. I was like, never mind. What are Now what are we talking about? Dante X-M and Peyton Pitch it is better than X-M. Someone said the tearless was a miss, but it did hit the rim. That's a funny way to do it.

I like that. All right, man. That's the end of the tearless, y'all. Next thing you got, Donovan, what is our debate of the day? All right, so yesterday, I went, this is a non-basketball-related one. Okay. So I went, I picked up dinner.

And I went to my, my favorite sandwich spot and so i i think that jersey mics is hands down like if we were doing a tier list of sandwich spots jersey mics is s tier there's nobody else in the field with them they're lapping everybody i've never had jersey mics so i've been i've had it once before or twice i've been trying to push this agenda very very hard because i rock with jersey mics that much i think if i was going to if i was going to rank them i would go jersey One firehouse subs made a like car house is good it made a quick entry I never had it I never had it until like a couple weeks ago yo skyrocketed up this it's my number two now so I would go yeah I would

go jersey mics firehouse um I honestly still think that I would go subway over Jimmy Johns John's I don't really like Jimmy Johns like that right and then also you don't like fresh bread it's not that great it's not that great but before but before we get to subway pot belly is top three pot belly somebody said pop belly it's pot belly i got a pot belly across the street from you right now that's my top bellies in a different pot belly is like elevated it's like shake shack i feel like it's not fair to put in the conversations like they're trying a lot harder you know what i mean they are not trying hard to you right now pot belly i never had jersey mics okay so it's i've never had jersey mics how do you guys feel about subway because subway gets a lot of slander

and I feel like a lot of it is unjust. I feel like Subway is good. It's Subway. It's like you know what you're getting and it's not the greatest sandwich in the world. Like you're saying, Jimmy John's probably better. Sure. I mean, Jersey Mike's probably better.

Sure. Never had it. I think Subway is still very good. When I go there, I get a meatball sub with pepperoni on it and Parmesan cheese. It hits every time. Damn. You get pepperoni and meatball on that, bitch?

And it's good. It is hard. It's a delicious combination. It's a whole lot of meat. Damn. Combation is crazy. No, no, listen, I used to get the, I used to get the meatball sub as well, right? If you go into Subway and you get the sandwich that you've been ordering for the last 10, 15 years, right?

It hits every time, especially if you get the white macadamia nut cookie on top of it. Oh, no, that's, if we're throwing in a cookies in that thing. That cookie is one of the best cookies out there, man. Subway got a skyrocket. So we got a skyrocket. If you're throwing in a cookie, if you pair it with a cookie and a Coke zero, listen we're going up we're going we're going up but that's that's my list also somebody said quiz nose i used to eat quiz nose a lot like they used to sell it in uh at like high school lunch or

whatever i'm so sick if i can't even like properly rated so that's why i haven't seen a quiz no since like 2007 what the hell yeah that's such a two thousand's ass business yeah good guys we also don't knows real quick shout out to a non for tipping five dollars he said mo al horford is a former hawk white haydn unk putting lively over him mass weight is respectful. Subway over Jersey. There's that. Oh, wait,

wait, wait, real quick. There's no way. I can take a little bit of argument for some of these other sandwich spots. There's no way you are putting subway over Jersey mics. You cannot talk sandwiches.

You can't talk. They have rosemary bread at Jersey mics. They slice it fresh right there in front of you. Personally, I like the Mike's way. I like the red wine vinegar and olive oil. It's a bit much for a lot of people. I'm not going to lie.

But once you grow up in your palis, it starts to evolve, then you appreciate it for the flavors. That's, that's what I get. That's why I like. I get number eight clubs. Someone said I wasn't even born in 2007. God, we're fucking old. Damn. Not born in 2007? I was

sentient in 2007. I remember 2007. Yeah, like it was yesterday, dude. I was playing Pokemon in 2007. I was playing Bakugan. I was saying, rip it. I was destroying me. I used to get Bakugan, and I used to get these like sharpies that were like paint sharpies, like

silver ones. And I used to custom My was Bakugan. People used to give me like $5 at school to get their back ofagon. And I used to paint them black and silver. I used to make money off of that. Trapping off the Bakugan is amazing. I love to hear it. I didn't have enough money for that at that time.

But yo, what was your husband over? Were you a chip seller? Silly bands? Loads of them. Yeah. To get going to dark ones, I used to finesse all the stupid kids.

I remember in third grade, I used to make like the little like spinners. You know like the paper spinners? like the throwing ones. Oh, the Ninja Stars? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The Ninja Stars. You sell those for like 75 cents?

That was good. Someone asking what were my game was I playing? Listen, back in my day, we had Nintendo DS, Pokemon, Heart Gold, and Soul Silver, and Platinum. The real golden age of Pokemon. Not like this bullshit y'all got today on the Switch. Talk to. I scams.

I scammed some kid one day, and I sold my whole old white bulky Xbox 360 to him. Some rich Asian kid. You said recently? No. It was when I was like in eighth grade Someone said Pokemon Ultramoon is where it's at Listen, that's too young for me

I was already out the game by then Ultramal, whoa, that's great Man, man Some shout out the Game Boy ESP, correct, shout out the Game Boy SP and the Gameway Advance Wow Game Boy Advance Did you have a GameQ? I missed a GameCube.

Not really, I had a PS2 And I had a Nintendo 64 I used to play Golden Eye on it but that was like that's when before I was born like my mom gave me that that was like her thing did you guys have PSVitas is that what they were called no PSPs yeah PSVita was bullshit

I never I never had a PSP my cousin had a PSP so I would just like borrow his all the time and so I but the first like I had a game cube and then we got like a Wii but I didn't have like an individual gaming system until I got a PS I think I had a PS3 but it was like

late in the game and then for my birthday I had gotten to PS4. Man, shout out the Wii. Shout out Wii sports. Oh my goodness. Yo, underrated feature Madden 10 on the Wii was very cool because you could like, you would have your remote right and you would do all this stuff and you can

make your own route on on Madden 10 and it could, you had unlimited points like unlimited breaks. So I would have Blair Fitzgerald or like whatever receiver just go just all over the place like crazy. And So what are these old men talking about?

Damn. Y'all don't know about none of this. Y'all don't know shit. I don't know about that. I don't know what you guys are talking about because I grew up on the PS4 and Xbox One. Man, I was already a man when the PS4 came out. I was what, 14 years old?

I was already paying bills. Go outside. When was it the last time y'all raced to the stop sign? Tell me to have everything. No, they haven't. You know why? Because they're on that stupid-ass Xbox Connect. You remember that?

Game all day. When the last time you guys went outside and drink water out of the fucking hose? How about that? I did that the other day. They don't know about that. They don't know. If I showed you a picture of a streetlight right now, would you know what that meant? I don't think so.

I don't think you would. So is it on that damn phone? They said, y'all knees are cooked. my lower back is cooked i can't do any workouts anymore that involve bending over like i can't do like deadlifts or the ones where you like hold the weight and like put it on your toes i'll slip a disc in my back like really quickly like i can't do anything in the serious damn i get herniated disc so easily when a workout i'm really fucking old this is terrifying bro let's let's slow down on the old talk i turn 25 next month holy shit i'm i'm two months into this 25 year old thing

feeling like an old man. I start thinking about my will and shit. Fuck. My will. It's going to be $5 in that bitch, too. You have no idea how good the Wii was. You're not having an alcohol. We really are.

I'm letting you know, guys, especially with the new house in the next week, I'm getting the grill for the backyard. I'm so excited. I'm so excited. No, I can't wait to come over. Let me throw some on that. I'm so excited. You're going to throw some shit on the grill? Yes.

Yes. I'm hoping to get it by, yeah, I am hoping to get it this weekend because game two of the finals will be on Sunday. So, listen, I'm put everything else with the house together. I'm going to invite my family over. I'll put something on the grill on Sunday and then we're going to watch the game. It's going to be amazing. I've been talking about this girl for like several months now. Oh, I'm so excited.

It's going to be great. I got my speaker, like the Bluetooth sound bar. It's going to be amazing. Someone said, I'm older than Luca Donchich. Man, Luca Donchish is two weeks older than me. He's got me by like 16 days. He's a day older than me. Yeah, he's born on the end of February.

Yeah. He got me by two weeks. Which I think that's why I'm always going to, Lucas always one of my favorite players. He came in. He's the same high school class as us. Every time I think about like stars, I'm like, damn, he's the same age as us.

He's doing this. What the fuck? just like us I remember seeing seeing Tray Young like Tray Young's freshman year was special I remember like because that was our freshman year too

of college Yeah That was that was very fun We were from fucking Mo Bomba at UT Yo seeing people line up Outside of the outside of the stadium

To stay overnight because college game day was coming the next day It's amazing What a time What a time Shout out to Uncoff Y'all that's the end of the stream

Give you all a good old fashioned unc off And we're out of here I will give you guys an update On the grill next week I got y'all Pictures will be posted I'm just