The Deep 3 Podcast - Putting Every NBA Team's Best Player In A Tier List | TD3 Live

Episode Date: February 13, 2024

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What's up, y'all? We're back. As you see about the timeline, I'm not the timeline, oops. By the title, we're going to put every NBA team's best player into a tier list. I put who I think is the best player

beforehand, so maybe we also in debates who I changed from names out. But, you know, the top 30 players that are leading each team are going to be put into a tier list. Before that, you know what we got to do. We got a lot of new stories to talk about. Donovan, what's on your mind lately? What's a new story on your mind? I have no idea. Let's see. Oh, something that I thought was just funny was Grant Williams talking today. I honestly, I just think that like seeing Grant Williams out in the wild, whether if it's him just like talking or interacting

with anybody it's always just very funny and it just comes up in a weird way but he was saying how you know he's he's in charlotte now and he's like you know it's great to he said it's great to get a win for the city play for the jersey that's across your chest not on your back everybody touched the ball a team that never played practice together every single person seemed like they had each other's back seemingly throwing shots at luka for the situation that he just came from How do y'all feel about this? What does he mean by playing for the city, like on your, the name on your... He's saying, like, you play for the city, you play for the team rather than, like, your name for one person.

He's saying it's we over team over here, but over there, Luke who wants his motherfucking stats. That's what he's saying. Yeah. And what I've come... I'll tell you what I think about it before we get to y'all. A lot of the times, the people who are like, guys, we have to pass the ball. Are the guys that suck and can't get a bucking stuff? right if you could get 70 you would and i promise you you wouldn't pass as much as you think that

you would and so for grant will it's like i understand right it probably was a little bit frustrating there was a lot of conversation about how uh you know he wrote a lot of people the wrong way in dallas and the vibes just weren't great there so he's in a new situation he feels fresh i get it right you instantly throw the sub but again if he was playing the way that they thought he was going to play, he wouldn't be in Charlie in the first place. He would still be a Dallas Maverick, so. Yeah, I bet it's tough whenever you're asked to stand the corner and shoot threes, and you make

like 29% of those threes. I bet it's tough when you're supposed to be the go-to defender at the four, and you get cooked every game. I bet it's tough when you had to make plays off the catch and attack closeouts, but you dribble like the Nassas every game. Like, I'm sure it's tough when you don't fit this role because your skill sets aren't up the part of the season

like they hoped. I imagine it's not fun at all when you have all the type of microscope playing next to a great player, and you can't hold up your end of the bargain. It's not like he was done some great crime by putting into this role. That's the role you should be in the NBA. That's you. That's you everywhere you go. Yeah, no, this is embarrassing.

I mean, Grant Williams, for the type of player that he is, or at least he tries to be, it's just, like, so nasty on all levels. And it's embarrassing, bro. But I hope he has a better life and has a better playing career in Charlotte. No one will be watching. You have low expectations. If anybody's watching Charlotte, it's strictly because of the Mello, whenever he comes back and also

Brandon Miller, but it's gross. Somebody in the chat is begging for an Isaac roast today. It's today to the day I get it. They're going to call me an elephant shit. Oh, yeah. I guess so, listen, it has to happen naturally, though. We got to, we got to try to force it. I got to need it.

Someone said I got a squitward nose. Not bad. Good start. Oh, before they even try to, wait, before they try to roast you, Isaac, y'all need to go ahead and focus on what's going on in the stream. We have 78 likes right now. What is wrong with all you guys?

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Just click and you're done. Exactly. It's real easy. Shout out to Elena. Tip $3. You know, she's a weekly donor. Appreciate you, Elena. She said, we are Soback, Mo Cheeks,

Donnie Glutes, and Mugsy Bogs of Podcasting on Monday Night Perfection. Wow. That's hilarious, man. so the funny part about this whole grant williams thing is the day after he got traded there was this report i was shown on screen right now that the Dallas mavericks were determined to part ways with him after he rubbed a lot of people the wrong way and rub the people a lot of people the wrong way is such a funny vague thing to say because that can mean anything you know below that it says notably he switches basketball sneakers from Lucas to Tatum which i don't go fuck about that

whatever maybe Lucas shoes suck I don't know but the funniest part is the week after the season started somebody asked Luca what he's his first impressions of Grant Williams were and he was like he likes to talk a lot he's a yapper so he must just be annoying he must just not shut up or something yeah it's like one thing to talk a lot like someone like a draymond green but your game not do at much talking also when it comes to doing positive things on the basketball court so that just like they made it sound like he had like the ick he was the virus he was like the next devastating thing oh my i don't wonder what that means right like he just talks a lot does he like does he make bad jokes is he he just talks a lot like bro shut up like we don't need you to say

something at every turn and i don't know if that also means like he might have been the guy on the team where he's like guys if we want to win coach is right like it's on us and just like Shut the fuck up. He does get that energy. I think that Grant Williams, and we low-key kind of saw it in Boston, but he 100% feels like the guy, he feels like he wants to be Patrick Beverly

in the sense of I'm not the best on the floor, but I'm going to be the guy who tries really hard. Everybody's going to listen to, right? They're going to respect my effort. And then in turn, I can be the quote unquote emotional leader of this team because of how hard I try and how hard I play. And you can't, I feel like it's very, very hard to walk into a new situation and be that person if you aren't a Patrick Beverly, right? If you, if you haven't been doing this for years and years and that's probably, just obviously looking from the outside in, that's probably what I think is like going. all in the gremlin.

Yeah, I don't know. I guess it's hard to first to speak to. Whatever these personality issues they have are, that's something I guess you've got to be in the locker room to tell because, you know, like, his play was a problem on the court. We can all clearly see that. I guess we can't speak to how he's so annoying.

But it's funny that that's the first thing that came out is that like they weren't fucking with him on a personality level. Like, that's just hilarious. You don't hear that very often. No, yeah. It's embarrassing. And then a lot of like Dallas Mavericks fans

we surfaced a bunch of clips of like Kyrie kind of just like rolling his eyes and things and shit like that and fake laughing and all that other stuff. So I guess he is a yapper and when you have that, you're not like good off the court and also on the court you're 10 pounds of ass. Bro, you're bound to be, you're bound to like be a useless product from the court.

Shout out to Anita Max Wynn, tip $1. Mo, how are you six to and not in the NBA? LeBron needs help, bro. Sounds like you need to be playing a shooting guard, Mo. Another thing about me is I got a 6-5 wingspan. Uh-oh. Okay, you've got an elite defender on our men in their midst? You're not in the league.

That's wasted height right there. That's right. You made it. I mean, hey, I can touch rim. That's all about I can do. And you're still not in the court. And you're still not in the league. There's so many.

Wait, hold on. You're making a wish for yourself. And it's been annoying as fuck for me over the last like two minutes. But not. What's it called? Yeah, but on the same note with the Mavericks, you know, they traded Grant Williams in that move. They got PJ Washington and Daniel Gafford.

And immediately we're like, oh, wow, it's wonderful what happens when you have athletic people around Luca Donchich. I don't know if you guys got to see the first game against the Thunder. I went back on those road to watch the second half. Incredible. When there's multiple people on his team that can catch lobs and you're not like slow as shit and like you actually have some like,

some like, just like tenacity going towards the rim from different positions. It's wonderful. It's like night and day for Luca. Yeah. Hey, listen, shout out Grant Williams. Listen, I hope the change that you get in Charlotte are fantastic. I hope Lamele did you iced out. You know, I hope you have a solid 8 to 16 bars that you can throw in the freestyle sessions that they have, right?

I know for a fact, you have multiple rappers on that team. Grant Williams, I hope you can either produce or find your way into that rotation because you're going to have to do something to make team chemistry go up. Yeah, man. Shout out to Brooks Ready for $5. They said, started watching guys in an extremely stressful period of my life and your video. is really providing me a bright spot. I'm doing much better now. Love you guys and your occasional shitty takes. Use this to help get Moe out of the trenches. There you go. Appreciate your, Brooks. Thank you, brother. Well, we're getting Moe out. Just wait on it. Listen, speaking of getting

Moe out, let me see. Let me go to our YouTube channel and pull this up. We are getting Moe out of the trenches for at least a week. And by that, I mean, we are going to be an NBA All-Star weekend. Where are you going with this? We're getting Moe out for a few. We're getting Moe out for a few days. Let me pull this up. We're going to have a show at All Start Weekend. So if you live in Indiana, you're going to be traveling in for All Star Weekend. Check us out. The time is now 6 p.m. Eastern. We're going to be there. Friday, February 16th, I cannot talk. Friday, February 16th at Radio Radio, Radio, Indianapolis. Sadly, it's going to be a 21-on-over venue. We didn't know that beforehand. It was complications and communication. So,

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you that we can meet you guys and everything if you can't make it yeah man mows up the hood for four days let's go you really you really got excited you're like wait wait am i moving like am i moving you all you all made it sound like you guys made an elaborate ass plan to go ahead and take me on an illustrious vacation somewhere else i'm like wait what's going on because i'm not you on a vacation that is that is not our job can i at least get like a nice suite in indiana or what No, you may get a baseline, bleach your report, authorized hotel room. You're going to like it. You get the same thing as everybody else, and you're going to like it.

Anyways, the next new story we got, Spencer Dinwiddie is a Los Angeles Laker. They signed him in the biot market. It came down to the Mavericks or Lakers as who are the two teams he was choosing between to two teams that are courting him. Cool. It's a note, it's a nice addition. They got him for nothing. More bench depth, a good guard who can attack the room and create a little bit.

but, you know, not going to have a big role or anything. Fine. Totally valid signing. Nobody has an issue with it. But today, in his press conference, when Darwin Ham was asked to talk about it for the first time, he said he believes that Dinwiddie's size defensive capabilities on the ball and varied offensive talent may lead him to being part of closing lineups alongside DeAngel Russell and Austin Reeves, meaning the return of three guard lineups like last year

when we had Dennis Schroeder, DeLo, and Kendrick Nunn, all these guys out here running three guard lines around LeBron, and it was Putrid. What is this man cooking? That's my question to you. Wow. I don't know if he knows what he's cooking. Right?

C.T.E sandwich. I've received that at this point, for the last three months, everybody's been talking about. Darvin Ham's on his way out. He's on his way out. And he's going to throw anything at the wall to see if he gets stick. And we will see if Spencer Dinwiddie is one of the rare role players that is struggling somewhere else

and comes to the Lakers and gets better because normally it's the opposite way around. You get good shooters, they come to the Lakers, people fall off, right? We'll see what happens. I want to know if Spencer Dinwiddie if the strike is over, if he's finally going to start, you know, making shots.

But I don't know. That was hilarious, that report that he was on strike. A reporter was just yapping. He's on strike. What was he on strike for? I missed that. I missed that. Nothing.

A reporter just said that. He was just unhappy. Yeah. Reportings that many around the league believe Spencer Dividy is on strike and purposely not trying. Just a crazy report to Slander's name. I'd be pissed if I was doing with you. Okay, that's sick as hell. But that wouldn't be surprising, though, because he's been a can of bounce that ass since the year, like, 2020, bro.

He hasn't had any good ball in him. He's acting like he's watched. But he literally just turned 30 years old. He's shooting 39% from the field and 32% for the three-point line this season. Obviously, like, alongside players like LeBron and AD, you expect that to come up. But, yeah, I think it's a good addition for the like this. Yeah, he was solid when he was on the Mavericks before he got traded for Kyrie. It hasn't worked out very well with the Nets for who knows what reasons.

Whether it's been fit, personnel issues, maybe he was on strike, maybe he wasn't fucking with the culture. Who knows? He was not effective. His rim finish numbers were not quite as good as they were when he was at his really true most effective. Obviously, he should 23% or what is that, 29% from 3 on the year. Not great. But I agree. On the Lakers, he makes a little bit of sense.

the guards they have are pretty jump shooting oriented Austin Reed's really east and midrange drawing free throws hitting his little little what's the word you use for his game off speed game getting to a spots Dilo's obviously a shooter didn't really have anybody goes north and south that was the main appeal of getting to Jonté Murray

someone who can really get to the room and create for others make penetration outside of LeBron James they're really lacking that so if Dean Woody can just focus on that and just fucking half back dive every time he touches the ball that'd be a useful addition for the team for sure Yeah Spencer's definitely a really good addition because of how

dynamic he is and he does a lot of things, has a certain I don't want to say explosion, but just like he has some tools in his back and athleticism that the other two just do not have. Yeah, but back to this report, I do not want to see him in three-guard lineups with Austin Reeves and DeAngelo Russell.

That is not what interests me at all about the signing. I do like the idea of having him play alongside Austin Reeves a lot because Austin Reeves has kind of been like forced to be this third star this year and he's doing a lot of stuff on ball and I think why he was so good last year is he was really like eating off ball focusing on defense he was a pretty solid defender

doing his stuff as like a secondary creator he's been getting picked on defense this year because he has no energy because they want him to basically be a point guard so I do kind of like the idea of another ball handler coming into the mix and putting Austin Reeves back into a more off ball role so I like that a lot but not a fucking deal that was on the court of both of them too

that's a disgusting lineup combination it goes against everything we've seen work with this core and the small sample size of wins we have I need this. I need this. The Lakers right now are, they are currently ninth in the Western Conference standings.

Damn. The Warriors, and maybe we can segue to this. The Warriors, kind of on the way back up, right? Jamon Green is coming in, right?

Showing that, hey, he is a game changer. He's a difference maker. He had, his defense is fantastic. And this is what a lot of us we're talking about while he was out, which is if you just stop punching people for two

weeks, you can get, you can really, really help this team get back on track. And we've seen that. We've seen Draymond Green refrain from smacking people in the face and stomping on people's chest. And all of a sudden, the warriors are back on the way up. And they look like they're 10th, right? In the playing, they're a game out of the nine spot. They can do some things in the second half of the year and this is this is very very positive if you're if you're a warriors fan yeah last 10 games which is about when draymond green became a full-time center and they bench looney and you know the big thing that's been talked about is comminga has been eating since then averaging a very efficient 21 points per game basically moving into like the clear

second option after step curry that's been great obviously no predictable reasons there's space there he's empowered as a full-time starter there's no big there but clogging up the lane next to draymond Green with No, the Looney being an additional big. But Draymond Green playing full-time center, he's been exceptional. Obviously, all the defenses stuff we've always seen, but it's like, you know, it's vintage warriors. We've ever seen him open up lines for everybody with his playmaking at the center

position. And, you know, they've been a top five offense and defense in that small sample size. We'll see if the size becomes an issue going forward. You know, it's asking a lot for him to be the full-time center over a whole season stretch, 30 more games than playoffs. But it works. I mean, he

Listen, he missed about 10, 15 games. So he's playing, right? He's playing a pretty decent amount. Yeah, but he has the legs to do it because he hasn't been playing a lot this year. So I think down the stretch, and especially now that the all-star break is coming up, you have another week off to kind of like regroup and resenter yourself for this final push. For them, it's all about can you maintain this level and can you stay in that 10th spot? because the jazz are right behind them and the jazz are a half game behind them,

they obviously need to keep up this pace. And I think that Draymond, I think that for the Warriors, like going small and being able to have Draymond at the 5 and have all this speed and versatility, that's going to be the best thing for them. But it's also pigeonholes them into what they can do around the real, like best teams in the league where they can play a lot of different lineups. They just can't do that. Next, speaking of the Warriors, Moe, what do you think about this?

A report came out where Logan Murdoch was interviewing Clay Thompson, and he said, Clay said he's reduced, he's open to a reduced role if it means staying with the Warriors long term. There's nothing wrong with that. I'll be 35 next year. At 35, coming out to ACL and an Achilles tear, and I'll still have the ability to be a really good player. Maybe not the guy who scored 60 in three quarters, but I'll still be a great, great threat out there. I've modeled my game after Reggie and Ray Allen, and those guys are incredibly effective into the late 30s, so I kind of plan on following that mold.

is this what you want to hear from him oh i think yeah of course that is uh exactly what you'd want to hear from someone like clay thompson y'all were talking about how great the worries have been as of late another part of the reason they've been like this good is because clay thompson has seen less touches and he hasn't been playing closing lineups at all and like it hurts to say this you know i'm saying but they're better than he they're better with him off of the court at certain times of the game and Clay Thompson can still give you guys or give the Warriors a lot of value with just like the natural skill set that he is and you know I'm saying like the reputation that he has and whatnot but at this point in time guys like

Pajemski and guys like Kaminga are better off doing their thing trying to cook alongside Steph and Draymond Green you know yeah yeah he isn't just that he has to be off the court I think what he's talking about right now is the biggest thing is that He has to know his role when he's on the court. Earlier in the season, we saw the biggest issue wasn't necessarily that he was like incapable of playing basketball and he'd be on the bench.

But it was when he was on the court, he was commanding a sort of attention as if he was still that guy and commandeering possessions, taking really difficult off the dribble shots, trying to cook in the mid-range like his Devon Booker and trying to just like get himself back into the rhythm

by brute forcing his way through the cold stretch. Not what you need to see at this point of his career. You know, you're just kind of like making it worse in yourself whenever you try to fight that hard to figure it out. this is what you want to see from him just stand in the corner do your movement shooting stuff and play next to these stars in a complimentary role yeah a hundred percent i think this is it's it's sad but it's also kind of refreshing just because we've seen like the full

experience of a of like the deterioration of a star over the last two years because once you come back like he had he had the moment where it's like okay like clay is he's not terrible, but it's like we've seen the consistency go in and out. We've seen the defense kind of, you know, lag off and stuff. We've seen obviously the shooting stuff. And I think also him doing this just from like a fan's perspective is also really, really nice because it lets you know maybe him, Steph and Dre can be on this team with this franchise for the entirety of their career. Like, there's certain guys where it just makes sense for them to be in the same franchise. They are icons of that specific franchise. And then you don't get situations where

like D. Wade going to the Chicago Bulls or like, you know, Patrick Ewan playing up playing with the magic. Like there are certain jerseys that people should always be in and in organizations that people should always be a part of. And this definitely helps the bridge between that situation, not, you know, coming to fruition in, in a year or so. Yeah, it looks like he's getting over his crisis, man. And it's good to see that after the group. Yeah, like, there was an interview that came out, I think maybe a week, week and a half, maybe two weeks ago.

And a reporter was asking him how he felt about not playing crunch time minutes. And Clay was like, eh, it sucks, man, it hurts. But I'm happy to see my young guys go out and win and all those other stuff. And Draymond Green, being the leader that we know he is, was like, who gives a shit? who gives a fuck i didn't play uh whatever game in the NBA finals towards the closing moments who cares we won you know i'm saying out loud and about and just like hearing that from someone like draymond and also i feel like has to at least force clay to get to this mindset where like he can still be uber valuable to this team but just in a different way yeah yeah

you're doing it's good yeah and it's good that it's good that jaymond said that publicly in that moment. It's also funny because Draymond talked about that afterwards. And he was like, man, like that hurt. Like it sucked, you know. And so even for Draymond, who's been able to get over at this point, everybody goes through that when you are, like he said, you're 34, 35, and you are not the same player that you were two massive injuries ago and 10 years ago. So for the, for the Warriors, this is, this is the best thing, especially as Steph Curry continues to be one of the 10 best players in the world. Speaking of the Warriors, there was a new addition to the now famous Nurkich versus

Dramon Green Beef. They had a couple interactions in his game against his sons recently. They played a couple days ago. Things were chippy all game. Honestly, Nerkich was antagonizing him. I think it was more him than Dremont this time. He was kind of poking the bear for lack of a better word, just being a dick the whole game, which is easy to do because Dremont is probably incredibly knowing to play against.

You're probably getting elbows on your fucking side every five seconds. Nerkish wasn't fucking with it this night. And after the game, he was asked about. you know, his interactions with him. He said, it's sad. He didn't learn anything. Just a matter of time. He's going to hit somebody else again.

I take back everything I said, he does not deserve a second chance. Wow. And then after that, I think Steph Kerr heard this and he'll hear what you snark his quotes were. And he was like, no, that's idiotic to say. God damn.

Was Draymond like that violent and reckless in this game? Do you guys? No. I went back to watch it. They were just, They were just pissing each other off. It wasn't even being crazy. If Dremont hit Nerkich again, I would be on Dremont's side for this thing.

Because now you're dragging, right? He really is. And saying like, oh, he doesn't deserve a chance. He didn't learn anything. Who are you? You don't know. You don't know. Like, Draymond has come back in 10 games and been as productive as, like, anybody in the league.

Like, he's been fantastic. Zero text in that time, too. exactly like he's been he's been fine he's been a model citizen he's been acting like he's on probation model citizen yeah he's on acting on probation and he knows it and he's been behaving nerchish was just this is again 100% his fault this time and it's just hilarious you know he's playing the game he's trying to antagonize him he knows what he's doing it's easy to get under draymont's again and he's trying to do it again yeah he had a shitty ass game he had like six points and four rebounds or some disgusting thing like that and honestly just seems like he was frustrated

to all hell with himself and he just like he just like he just like he was frustrated to all hell with himself and he just let loose on Draymond just to project. The rest of donations to catch up on. Shout out to One Big Tree for donating a dollar. He said this is the only channel where I'll go back and watch two week old videos just to make sure I don't miss anything. The vibes are immaculate. Appreciate you one big tree.

Real one. Ethan 2060 donated $1. They'll never do it, but a lot of the bucks issues would be fixed if they put Chris as a Lou Williams type six man. Their starting line out makes no sense moving forward. Moving Jay Crowder into it gives you penetration, pause with their Indie spacing. yeah i mean i don't know if i'd move bench him but something to change i'm i'm pro starting j crowder then dr sempi donated one dollar two questions thoughts on the super bowl two who was the most

underrated player in the league and why is the franz wagner no thoughts on the super bowl we'll go with franz wagner that's cool yeah ew hell no i don't give him to him i think i think he gets his love yeah from you because you're an NBA nerd the average NBA fan i don't know who franz wagner is yeah especially for the magic it's just palo and and then a bunch of guys. Like, it's the number, it's the number one overall drop pick and a bunch of guys. Like, Franz Wagner is still definitely in that, like, most underrated type of stuff. On the Super Bowl, real quick, thank the Lord.

We get a summer free of Brock Purdy discourse. We don't have to go through all the hoopla. I am ecstatic that Brock Purdy lost. Why are you ecstatic that he lost? What do you do to you? He didn't do anything. Brock Purdy, Brock Pretty discourse. I nearly, I, I,

I couldn't take it. I couldn't take it. This man's a hater. That is hilarious. Next topic. Kyle Lowry is on the Sixers. Are y'all moved? The only thing that's moving in Philly

and sweet cheeks behind. Oh, my God. I'm not moved at all. Jesus Christ. Nothing is going on. He's a good player, though. I mean, like, he has value. Yeah.

He has value. He brings his defense to this team. He got hell of motion. this is why they traded Pat Bev they knew they were getting him in the buyout market it was written for the past week once the trade deadline came around it's just finally official

cool you know they needed some bench creation it's cool to have another adult in the room that can help manage things when Tyrese or Joel and Beat are on the floor can play alongside either of those guys decent addition but obviously won't be a deciding factor of anything unless he has a vintage Kyle Lauer game in a playoff series

which I guess isn't impossible but cool signing it's fine yeah he's back home he wants to I think he was born there and went to school with Villanova or whatever like hey shout at them yeah

I don't think Kevin Garnett is not fucking with the Los Angeles Lakers he said anybody who thinks their title contenders are fucking delusional and he said it with some with some rage in his voice

he is not happy about people soaping the Lakers up high do y'all agree what's funny what's funny though is that's a regular Kevin Garnett clip he just talks like that

right he just sounds like that on a daily basis fucking delusional Do you all agree? I mean, he's right. He's right, yeah. Like, they're not winning a championship. And I do think that anybody who thinks that they are is delusional to a degree.

He's cooking. Yeah, I would agree. I would agree. The liquors are special because, like, no one thinks that they're going to win a championship. But at the same time, nine times out of ten, your favorite team in the Westwoods does not want to run into them in the playoffs. At all. Like, there's a type of team that will make. you flinch you know yeah yeah again it's it's so weird because at any moment they could

click and you can be like oh wow the lakers are they won the end-season tournament again what's going on like they can have a stretch and that could come leading into the playoffs who knows but you certainly can't rely on that shit all year they've shown us more instances of them being mid than they have of them being promising at certain point you are who you are after a 50 game sample size you know what we can't rely on also what is going on with the like button today. We are at 3703 likes right now. There's like damn near a whole K of y'all in here. Thousand of y'all in here. This is pitiful. Step it up. Crown eaters. Your title is on the round. Listen, we can get 500 likes right now. If you have, you all go up there and press

a like button, run it up for us. Get more people in the stream. Let's get it. Next new story, what we got on the docket. Let me scroll back over here. MVP ladders went updated a few days ago, the official NBA one. They currently have it as Nicole Yokesh at 1, duh, Shea at 2, duh, Yannis at 3, Luca at 4, Jason Tatum at 5.

How are y'all feeling? I don't mind it, but Luka has to be top 3. I don't think, Yonis can't be top 3 this year. What? You got, the coach got fired mid-season. Like, I'm sorry. I just, I can't, I can't do it. Yeah, I get that. I understand that's going to be

like a narrative thing. He's not going to win it. But isn't the coach being so ass and you're still the two-seed and you still decide to fire him Doesn't that show that he's incredibly valuable that he held that shit-ass coach up to the two-seed? Isn't that a good thing for his individual value? He's been having a monster season. It's been so underrated because, like, Day Mueller's, like, been putting up stinkers on a consistent basis and also, like, everyone knows that things aren't right in Milwaukee. But Janus, as an individual, like, in my opinion, he's been, like, at worst, the third best place.

in the entire NBA, can't put another player or two or more players ahead of them. But while I say that at the same time, they're the fucking 13, they've been sliding. So it's like, and Lucas, like, the numbers that Lucas has been putting up have been tempting. So at that point in time, like, what do you give? Yeah, I agree. Lucas should be higher, but I don't think it's crazy to have Yon as high. Like, I understand he's not going to win it for the reason Donovan just said the coach got fired, but like, really. realistically that's a shit reason but it's going to be the real reason because most

of voters are going to be lazy like that but it's a pretty shit reason for being real no yeah i agree donovan we can't hear you your mic's muted technical difficulties we can't hear you radic yep yep yep we can't hear it uh-huh be after that Jason Tatum at 5 quiet 6 wow I just put out a short on my personal where I had the similar list but I had quiet 5 over Jason Tatum I would still lean that way I think the Clippers resurgence has been pretty crazy. I'd give him a little bit of a nod, but I understand. Is that a bonus at seven?

Wow. Over Donovan Mitchell? That's what the fuck are we talking about? Sabonis over Donald Mitchell, what the fuck are we talking about? That's fucking crazy. That's absolutely disgusting. I understand Savonis has been hooping. He's probably been now to think about it a little bit more,

the best player for the Sacramento Kings for the entirety of the season. But over Donovan Mitchell and Anthony Davis, you got to get serious. Am I back? Yep, you're back. We can hear you. There you go. Okay, but I was going to say to your point of, if that's the case and if we're doing this like, oh, well, he's been so good that or not, and more of like an absolute value type of

thing, Kevin Durant should be top five, right? Kevin Durant, who's at 8 right now, he has played a season with his other two running mates on an extremely top heavy team have been out for a majority of the season. and he was playing with G-leaguers and guys who are going to be in the back of a lot of people's rotations and they were kind of part for the course. He was playing all around basketball and he should be up there.

That's fine. Yeah, if we're going to do all of that. And so, like, I don't know. I think we understand that the MVP always is going to have a little bit of, like, narratives and stuff. And if we want to go absolute value, then, like, I don't know if, like, Luca, in my opinion,

Luca would be first. The thing is, you said for most of the season, Devin Booker's played 43 out of 53 games. Like, that was the thing what you're saying, like 30 games ago. But, you know, it's gotten back to normal a little bit now. Like, most of the season so far

has included at least Devin Booker. Obviously, Brad Beal missed extended time. But it was a pretty, like, first few months of the season thing when Kevin Durant was in hell. That thing, that team is built extremely, extremely top-heavy, obviously, right? They're like, we're going to go out and we're going to get the three stars and we're going to fill the rest of the roster with a bunch of minimums and hope that, you know,

Grayson Allen can carry us to the promised land, right? We're going to go go out and get Royce O'Neill and do all these things, try to really, really skim around the margins. And if one of those top three guys is out, it's different than if Yokic is missing Jamal Murray for some time, or it's different than if Jason Tatum is missing Jalen Brown, because that is literally where you are expecting a majority of your stuff to come from. think that Durant, you know, if one side of that triangle is missing, it's crazy. Sure. But also, at the end of the day, Yonis has clearly been one of the best three players in the world in terms of production, to skill impact.

You don't really fell away by Kevin Durant, you know, like, Janus is averaging 31 on his most efficient year of his career, still defending. He's been incredible. You're not really going to rank Kevin Durant as a top three player in the world this year. No, no, I said KD top five. Sure, sure. I'm just saying, like, the conversation was spurred by Yonisting out there, but KD. not like that's the difference is that yonis's production is like holy fucking shit while katie's

having a good kd season it's not like you know mind-blowing got to be in the conversation i put yonis at four if we were doing this i would put yonis at four i agree i agree that's fine and then top three or jason tatum womwomp womwom he's bona fide number five always forever and will be we got some donations and address before we move on uh shout out to jay johnson for one dollar shout out to coppers for three dollars shout out to one two three for three dollars appreciate all three of y'all um we've read some of these things copper said what's y'all's real life player comps who are you moe uh my real life player comp someone who i like to think i am feel like i'm like oh never mind but vent donated 69 dollars said nice what

wow appreciate you i love a good 69 joke appreciate you vents i hope it was worth the money that is classic as hell let me get a shout out vent in the chat and no spam nice in the chat let me get spam i want to see all the nicest in the world i want to see a thousand people saying nice right now wow that is crazy appreciate you yeah if i was to go ahead and say my player comp fucking something about me is that i can shoot all right and i'm also i have size i can dribble too i can play defense as well but sometimes i don't like to because i get tired as hell So who is that player And you guys' head?

I don't know T.J. Warren. T.J. Warren. It's gross. He's a mid-range merchant. His game is so mid, feels good. I am not mid. So I'm not mid.

Mugsy Bokes. Mugsy Bokes is so much faster than me. So much faster. I can be Composso at best. Pazzo. Hey, at least you can be swinging that bitch, right? My best. Does composo swinging like that? Not really.

Listen, I just knows passing lanes. He can get you the ball. He can do it. All right, what's the next thing we got? Donovan, who's your player come before we move on to the next thing? I don't know. Like, Pat Bad with Jimmy Buller's mid-range? That's crazy.

Donovan. Like, what, Jared Jack? Yeah, I'm Jared Jack. I love that shit. Donovan, how do you feel about this? Evan Fournier was traded to the Pistons. He said, I'm finally excited. to be out of New York.

He's thinking, God, he got traded to the worst team in the league. How do you feel about as a Knicks fan? Good riddance. Like, I hope you have a good life in Detroit rather than New York. Like, it's fine. I understand why you're saying that.

You weren't getting any playing time. I'd probably be happy to get out of New York, too. If all I wanted to do was hoop and I wasn't getting a hoop in New York, yeah, I'd be fine. But we got assets back for him. The team looks complete. Hope you have a good life, Evan Fournier.

Thanks for the memories. What memories? What memories every four they bring you? He had a game against the Celtics. I think last year. Ew. I thought you were going to say he was putting that shit on on the sideline. Who the hell cares?

No, no, no. The game that RJ hit the game winner. I can't remember if it was last year or not. But he hit a, yeah, RJ hit a game winner off the bank over Tatum. And Fornier was keeping the team in the game the whole time. He was going crazy. So shout to you. Yeah.

Shout out of him 48. Y'all, I think that's all the news stories I got to talk about today. I think we can move on. Oh, wait, wait, real quick. Let's talk about Wemby's fair. I saw a lot of people talking about it's in there. Let me find the link. Yeah.

Here we go. Wemby is fitted up today, y'all. Look at this. This man thinks he's the Riddler. Look at his mask. He thinks he's Kanye. He's at a Yeezy Season 4 fashion show. Okay.

Are y'all fucking with his Wemby? fit. I'm not going to lie. He, minus the mask, he kind of got that shit on right now. Well, minus the mask. He's wearing an average valet outfit. The mask is what we're talking about here. All black is all clean, so he really can't hit on it like that.

Now, he's too tall to be dressing like this. Donda. Donda. Donda. Donda. Not going to lie. He looks like a blackout. Get in the intro. He looks like a blacked out cute. I love the fit. He wants me to opium so bad.

Those chrome hearts on, cromarts underwear. Well, there's Rump Bys fit. I'm glad we could have addressed it. Now it is time for what you're all here for. Let me find the tab. We're going to do a tier list. Oh, tearless time. But Isaac, they do not deserve a tierless just yet because they have only gotten this 500 likes. They let you down, Isaac.

How do you feel about the base right now? bait hurts i'm in pain damn anyways spam this up there's thousands of you in here only 500 you liked it get this to a thousand likes by the time we're don't want this tier list and i'll do nothing but say thank you and donimo will hit the ducky

yeah don't know hit the dougie there we go you will huh i'm you will yeah yeah I'm gonna do the like like gavie douglas Yo, you said it's true, a thousand likes Donovan is in the Ducky.

Yeah. You all see the video? Gabby Deggis is doing the Duggy. That's amazing. That's what it's going like. No, y'all already has 600. You're going fast. Hearless, God.

They're running this shit up. Oh, my goodness. Let's do it. Someone said, No, I'm not on up. I know entertainment. I'm not making it in forever. You better think about it over the next 20 minutes before we get it.

You're going to be on the spot. Listen, I'm typing in Duggy tutorial as we speak. Here's a tier list of the top player from every team. Maybe some of them are debatable. You know, like, I put Deeran Fox. Maybe you guys want to put some bonus. I put DeMarter Rosen. If you want to get real hipster, we can go Kobe White.

Whatever. Roughly, here's the best player from every team. Where do y'all want to start? Let's get the easy one out to the way the Denver Nuggets to slap on Nicole you up it's we don't have to say anything about that what beat here I'll I would say A okay so you don't get his S tier that's the standard we're beginning with we know we like to start with an S tier when we do this tier list just so we know we're working off of let's start with another one where does where does Kevin Durant go is he

a tier yeah yeah that one's hard I mean he's still Kevin Durant how big is this S-tier gonna be? That's what I'm saying? I don't think S-tier can be like 10-deep. Cap is 5, right? Yeah, for sure. Okay.

And Kevin Rans fly, what, the 6th or 7 best player in the league right now? Yeah, exactly. Mo just lagged out. Look at that. Tough for him. He was real, real sad

about the KD disc. Oh, he's back. I can put it back in. What the hell? The rats are shooting your Wi-Fi. You can't hang. What the hell?

And I got my Ethernet like connected too. What the fuck? Put that shit down. You're going to pull it a little too hard. You're going to black out. No, this bitch is 100 feet long. I got plenty of length.

Whoa. I ain't even meaning like that. He said he has inches to spare. Wow. I ain't really like that. All right. Inches and spare is actually coming wild. Like, you got it.

You got to relax. I've never heard that phrase before. Let's walk in. Let's focus. Okay. Kevin Durant's A. If Yokic is the quintessential S, Kevin Rantz a quintessential A.

They're both the top of their tier. We can move from there. Who's it going to be? Is the Air Fox a B? Man, the Air Fox has been rough over the past month. I mean, is he going to be a C? No, he's not going to be C. I think B is very fair.

It's like top 15, 20 is for sure. Okay. I think he can probably, we'll put him at B for now, but I think we'll probably, we'll revisit a lot of these, and he can either be moved up or down depending on what the rest of the list plays out as. Yeah, okay, we can do that. Atlanta donated another $1.2k. If we get 1.2K likes, can Mo hit the thugshake?

Please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please in my life before. Stop asking for that. Listen, man, we're at 676 likes. When we hit 1,000 likes, Donovan is going to do the Dougie. I want to see that. Please don't fail me. Let me see Donovan. Let me see Donovan. to do the duggie i'm not standing up for it i'm not standing up for it oh you have don't be a pussy now you got to stand up for it oh he's capping he's not gonna do it he's gonna just move his arms around okay so next name let's see we're gonna go where's laur marketing going larry marketing is a solid be or c is larry marketing he's worse than there in fox Yeah.

I would say there are close than a lot of people think they. If he's your best player, if he's your best player? I might lean towards he because I'd feel shaky about, yeah, I feel shaky about Lari. I think Lorry's just as good as D'Aren Fox. DeAren Fox is a co-star that's equally as good as him. Lowry has had Kelly Olinick and Colin Sexton. That's a big difference in supporting cast, you know, but, like, Lowry is probably the best off-ball score in the league.

not say that because like Steph Curry and Devin Booker and whatnot but one of the better off ball scores in the league he's a solid defender incredibly useful as a shooter as a cutter sneakily athletic finishing at the rim I think he's just as good as Deeran Fox

almost I when I I don't agree with that because I think about like how far could this player potentially take me as the number one in terms of like this how good is this player and I think

I think someone like Aaron would do that compared to someone like Lauer, who heavily relies on off-ball scoring. Let's clarify that. Lowry's like the ideal second option on a good team, so that makes sense. So I guess this tier list isn't who the best players are. It's who's the best one option. We're getting into discourse.

I need buckets. I need a bag. De Aaron Cox has both of them. Shut the fuck off. Sorry, Larry. Listen, 10 seconds to go. You give him the ball to Lowry? You're giving the ball to Deerrin.

One-on-one. Who is going to go with? Low-key, maybe Low-key, maybe Lowry. 101-1-1-Iso? Lorry's not Clay Thompson. He can dribble. I'm not saying he's Clay Thompson, right? I'm not saying he's Clay Thompson, right?

But I did see Deerrin Fox go crazy. No, you're right, it's Deeran, it's Deeran. But Larry's close. Lowry's really underrated. We talked earlier about the most underrated players in the league. We said Franz Wagner. It might be Lowry. I know he made an all-star team last year.

People already forgot about him. He's incredibly underrated, I think. Everybody was trying to trade for Larry. Because we're NBA sickos. We know this. The NBA world at large doesn't know this. It's different to levels to Lowry-Markinand fandom. Someone said is Lowry-marketing and sneaky athletic because he's white?

Yes. You don't look at him and expect him to dunking on people? Yes. That's exactly why. We live in reality. Own it. Where is DeMarre Rosen go? What the fuck?

belong here he doesn't belong here that's crazy Kobe white spot right there that is Kobe white spot he doesn't belong there so does Demar belong in detail I mean sure

if you want to put him there if we want to say okay first of I think what let's let's think about what would what would you rate Prime Demar de Rosen at if it was like

like Toronto like Toronto like Toronto prime yeah see there right now we right now he has to be like D yeah I was thinking D too he's all he's obviously worse than Lauer Markman yeah I feel like depending on who who else you put on D might be moved to C but I can't imagine a move to C we'll see oh F Jesus Christ I mean I'm not listen I see one name on here who I see one name in here whose name starts the K as well as the last name that's probably gonna have the F tier to himself so I'm not gonna do tomorrow like

All right, we'll see We'll play it by ear Yeah, we'll see Where are we going to put Tyreys Halliburton? Is he an A tier? Is he an A tier or in B tier? Is he a tier or in B? Is he... A tier is special.

He clears the air and Fogg by how much? Is the gap large? I don't know if he's large enough. I don't know. I don't think it's large enough just yet. It could be by the end of the year and it depends on what he does in the playoffs, but I feel more comfortable putting him in B, then putting him in the same tier as Kevin Durant right now.

I think we put him in B, but we're very comfortable moving him to A if the names, like, we're going to make some adjustments. I think he could be pushed up to A by the end of it. Chat says, hey, just spammy A right now. Oh, my goodness. They are. I mean, okay, so S tier is going to have five people at most. A tier can have more than five, but not a whole lot more, right?

Like, what do we get, like seven or eight people in A? Yeah. No, let's what Tyrese, A, maybe we'll move them down if we need to. I think we should give them the benefit for the doubt. Listen, he almost led a team to an in-season tournament championship. Yeah, I mean, he's slowed down. He's been hurt, so he slowed down. The you, sir, are trying to invalidate trophies in the NBA.

What are we doing, right? Do we respect it? Do we not? I don't really respect it, but I think it's kind of interesting. But I also think, like, from when we've seen Tyrese be on the floor, even before, especially, like, before the Pacers got Pascal, When he's on the court, the Pacers are at least like a mid-tier team. They are a playoff team. And when we talk about Deeran, if it's just him, I don't know if I can count on that from the Sacramento Kings.

Yeah, I think Tyrese elevates people more than Deeran does. I feel pretty, like pretty clearly, like it's a pretty comfortable margin there. So, again, this is not who's just a better player, who's a better first option. Tyrese lifts all ties a lot more I think I think Tyrese yeah okay okay

Tyrese but again we'll revisit this Tyrese could move down if we feel like A's again too prouded but for now we'll put him there someone said

his Lensanity run is over and that is one ankle sprain he'll be back I promise he's already getting back to regular minutes load he's fine people are haters

okay what about what about Zion Williamson this year last year Zion would have been A he's not playing that level at all is he playing on Larry Markins level he's not even B

I think that's the only level Look at He's not D D's like No no no Kind of like Here's the thing He hasn't been bad as of late

He had a really good game As a Lakers actually He's looking in shape He's playing normal He just doesn't He's not asked to do the same volume of stuff So we don't see the raw numbers That jump out as much

But he's not necessarily Like still bad and out of shape And like playing like shit So is that deserving a C I think we let this pelican system don't have been stuck in November does Zion's been fine no no

no the it's just like damn like how how far people are falling like we were talking about Zion as top 10 guys in the league last year legitimate MVP candidates one of the futures of the league and now we're like

is he on the same level as the number one option as Larry marketing like you know no disrespect to Larry but Zion was never supposed to be in that category and it's crazy because it's a it's a legitimate conversation about those two besides.

But I think again I think a lot of his team construction they just have a lot of mouse to feed a lot of guys do on ball stuff like I don't even

think he's playing worse necessarily right now Brandon Ingrams is there CJ's just there Trey Murphy's there Jonas is there fully healthy

it's just so many mouse to feed the way they want to play isn't conducive to somebody averaging 27 points per game exactly the whole scene scheme

whole system got switched up since he's been healthy this year so I think honestly C might be like the most fair spot for him right now we'll go see yeah i guess i yeah i think he definitely has

b potential still but you know all we can base off of what he's doing this year and he's not asking immority i agree where we're going with k cuttingham oh man you're not going to like me but i'm putting d oh i mean i was going to say effort i was going to say f or d so i don't know which way you're thinking i was going to go with that i was going to say f just like when i was i was i was It's kind of be nice off of potential, but I still have a whole bunch of questions about Kate Cunningham as the number one option on the team. Granted, he hasn't been put in the best situation to give us those answers, but I'm still a little bit like, is he the guy? Is he not? So.

Listen, Jay Knive is after 27 every night like damn here. Wait, you just see the recent donation that just came through? Oh my God. Shout out to Mark Lenuza donated $100. He said, this is for Donovan. to stand up for the doggie. Everybody liked to shoot right now also love the show. Oh my God.

Now you have no choice. Now I have to. Appreciate you. I press her on button. Oh my God. Appreciate you, Mark. We're getting Moe at the hood. We're getting Donovan standing up

and do the doggie. Appreciate you. All right. I'll be back. I'll be back. I'll be back. You're practicing in the mirror right now. Hey, hey, hey.

This is close. He's hit a hole in the mirror right now That's hilarious Yeah, but Kate has to be F We don't even know if he's going to eventually Actually be a number one option I think he probably still will The Pistons are terrible

He doesn't have any chance so far But, you know We can only gauge you off what you're doing this year The worst team in the league He's got to be F you know He's still young He really shouldn't even be the best player On his team right now

The team's just down bad Yeah exactly They're down bad There's just no nothing good going on in Detroit right now other than like Zayland during whooping and obviously Kate Cunningham playing out of his mind as a late so with Cabe having like

an okay season but not that like great number one pick worthy type season that we all expected I think F is okay that's fair yeah it's fine he'll get there eventually but you know still young baby steps where do you want to go oh yeah oh my god

do it again keep going keep going now I need 200 for the next one Can we get you to ISO cam in time? It's getting cheap. Oh my God, Chad. That's crazy. Chad, I hope y'all saw that.

That's hilarious. All right, someone's spamming do Kauai. All right. Where are we putting Kauai, Leonard? Kauai is no less than A. Yeah, I would say no less than N. Okay. Firmly A.

Is there any argument for S-tier? No. I think the real argument for S-tier is if it's like the playoffs, then I'm like, okay, that's, Playoffs matter in this. Yeah. I understand. There's still a,

I need to see a healthy playoff run from Kauai. That's fair. Listen, those two games last year were electric. Those two games were fantastic. Exactly. Can we get four games? Can we get a series out of Kauai Leonard?

Dare I say six. Hey. Don't let it go to seven. I'm not trying to get crazy here, but I don't know. Don't let it go to seven. Okay. Okay, we hit Sandin, it's over. I guess A is fair.

Okay, we'll go A. That's the case. Okay, Kauai's A. Where does Anthony Edwards go? Who? See, now this is where it gets fucked up because Tyrese is A. That is true. I still, this is tough.

That's close. They're very similar in terms of like, aesthetically, Anthony Edwards is A, right? Okay, hold, shut the fuck up. shut the fuck up shut up vent just donated two hundred dollars he said you said 200 for more dancing dawn about to dance mo out of the hood oh my god that's crazy did don't get the fucking man is bred in it he's spread his hood shit that is blast man oh god get the fuck up i need this money

now you're playing my money dog i'm just talking get up get up get back there and dance I'm not getting pimped out, bro. You're getting pimped out. That's what we're doing. This isn't Magic City. I'm not a bottle boy, bro. Thank you for the 200. We appreciate you.

You're breded as fuck. I don't know what you do for a living. What are we doing? Keep doing it. What are we doing? No, you got to do it again. You're a man of your word. Yeah, go Dougie again.

If you want to play the Dougie song behind you, if you want to play the Douggy song behind you, go ahead and do that. to say you won't feel like that. Yeah, where's my phone? Oh, my God. Mike don't need a $1. He said Don put Aunt at A because of aesthetics.

Man, not playing fair this year. Don's going to do the doggie. We're taking a break real quick. I'm my stanky leg. Oh, you're going to stanky leg. Oh, he's going to do the stankylet. I might stankylet. Vett is getting what he paid for.

Actually, no, this is going to be disgusting. We're going to put this back to 26. Are you for to hit them folks? Oh my God. You're going to get his copyright struck. Stop that. You're going to get his copyright struck. Turn that shit off.

Where's Mo? Where's Mo? Oh, my God. I got to wait for Moe. I got away for Mo. Mo's shitty-ass connection. We're going to whip and nay-n-day. Oh, my God.

Okay, Mo's back. We're going to whip a nay-n-n-day. All right, hit that shit. You good? Yep. It's it. What's me, Neney? I was going to sing for you.

What the hell, man? Watch me, whip, we. Watch me, nay, nay, eh, hey, eh. I mean, oh, watch me, watch me, watch me, oh, watch me, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. That's the Odell special. What did I see? Donovan, too, thank you. Thank you so, so much.

I'm not dancing no more. Most, listen, if you want to see anybody else dance, it's Mo. It's his turn. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Not the toes, though He did the toes reveal That's hilarious Appreciate your event

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He said Dick has been good in Toronto Penetrates the hole And strokes him deep I don't need more D though I agree okay all right guys where we're going with anthony edwards on our tier list

back to the topic at hand we need to I think we need to put Tyrese Halliburton a tier down because it's already a little bit suspect putting him alongside Kevin Durant but saying he's a whole tier better than Anthony Edwards at this date and time and alongside Kawhi Leonard

just doesn't sit right just yet okay this wasn't both B that's fine that's fair they're the best to B tier but we can do that. I'm with it. Where are we going to put Kyle Kuzma? Ooh, man.

One of the hottest trade commodities who didn't get traded, he might be a D. That man is an F. It's a rhetorical question. We're not going to discuss it. Wow. Obviously.

Oh, yeah. He can't tell him at D and put Kyle Kuzma. He should stand alone as an F tier number one option. I don't know. Cade's on the worst team in the league. think they both deserve their spot in history

and the F of our tier list. But who's better? Come on. Low key, don't even get me started. I don't even know. I'm not going to be as easy as you think it will be. As the number one option, I think Kade would take me further places, but at the same time, I mean, like, they're battling for like, shit. They both have eight and nine wins on the season,

so it's like, goddamn, what are we talking about right now? They're all on Kade's watch. Exactly. Some of that Kay was hurt, though. Kate was hurt for a chunk of that. A chunk, not to hold that. thing he's there for majority of that shit where are we putting

Alprin Sangoon ooh D tier what D tier damn C I understand D because he's not as good as Larry Orzion obviously

That's why that's why I said I said D I would rather have I like I guess they're closer to he's closer to them than like Damar but definitely I mean

I don't think it's like low in C tier Yeah, I just don't think it's crazy if you said like D plus or anything like that. Yeah, I think C's fine. He's playing an All-Star level this year. Didn't make it, whatever, like sub-all-star. Like, you want to say it's in a lower-end to C, cool, but I think he at least deserves you for sure. Yeah, I think lower-endisee is the best way to describe it so it doesn't look disgusting or crazy, whatever. Yeah.

Okay. Where are we going to put Jason Tatum? He got to be A, right? He has to be an 18. Yeah, A tier for sure. Yeah, he's A tier. It would be hating to put him in B, but also clearly not good enough for S tier. I will put him in B.

I'll be dragging my, I'm dragging my feet kind of to put him in A, and I would rather put him like I tier B because I'd rather have every single guy over right now at the same of time over someone like Jason Tatum. You think that Jason Tatum is just as much of a number one option as Deerrin Fox? Yeah, get out of here. You're just forgetting because he's averaging less. points this year. No, we're getting, we're getting.

It's about Kauai and how special he is in KD. Still doing what he does. It's not about Tatum. Tatum is just as good as Katie. Tatum is probably better than Katie, honestly. We're forgetting this year because he has such a great team and he's asked to do less. This man was averaging 28 to 30 for several years, highly efficient leading team still, great defender.

Like, I like to hit him to something as much as anybody. It's fun. He's as good as KD. All right. My hate has been triumphing again. We can go put a minute. You're making me. me defend the Celtics, good Lord.

We're down bad. Palo Bancaro. He's an all-star. Every single player in C-tier is better than him by like a good margin. People really love the idea of Palo-Bankero. It's not as good. How do I say it's not being a heater?

I'm going to see. I'm going to see. Yeah. You got to watch them out when you talk. When you talk about, I would pick this one up for you, Isaac. What the popular perception is not actually what is going on with Palo Bancero. Someone to say Powell's better than Zion. That's the exact problem.

He's not better than Zion. Oh, that's crazy. We talk all the time, especially over the last three weeks, how the first month, month and a half of the season, shapes a lot of people's perception of how a player is for the entire year or what their story, right, what their narrative is. And Paolo has been able to kind of, not Cruz, but he's been able to make a living off of what he did in the first six weeks of last season.

When he came in and was lighting everything on fire, everyone's like, oh my gosh, this number one overall pick is living up to the hype. And there's been over 100 games of basketball since then. And it just isn't the same as the first 15 that we saw. So it's very different. I would put him in C tier. It's got to be D or C.

It's got to be D or C. I would say C. At the back of my mind, I would want to put him in D, but the admiration that I got for Paula, I want to put him in C. The idea of him is way more fun than thinking about what he actually is. We'll go see.

We'll give him benefit for the doubt. His numbers aren't super impressive. He's asked to be in a very difficult situation with very little help and support around him. Low-key Franz is just as good as him. Conversation for another day. We'll go see you so I'm not going to. continue my palo hate, but I would go D.

Wait, Isaac, why? Yeah, I don't think you're 110% wrong at all. I'm not wrong whatsoever. I'm just not going to talk about it. No. We'll table that. We'll get back to that conversation later date. All right.

That's something for the Isaac G show. Facts, there you go. Yeah, there you go. No, I already have, I've already shit on Palo on my show. I'll leave him alone. Trey Young. Just make it a segment. Probably B.

Yeah. Yeah. Well. D.B. For sure. Okay. He's, listen, he has, he has led a team to an Eastern Conference finals before. He is an elite dual threat player in terms of passing and scoring, right?

He's not as good as KD or Trey or Jason Tatum, but is he as good as D. Aaron Fox, right? Is he on the same level, especially with the right situation around him as Tyrese? Yeah. Yeah. I agree. He's reputationalally not viewed nearly as high as his other guys right now. Big part of that is a team around him.

Maybe some of their flaws on him. Maybe one day we'll get to see him with a better team that's more conducive to winning and we'll see those flaws still being there and then we'll account for it. But it's just there's no reason to ding him more than everybody already has. We know he's highly underrated, highly criticized for bad reasons often. We don't got to further that. We can put him in B. I think he might have a conversation.

I think public perception on him has gone the complete opposite way and it started to come back a little bit after the All-Star snub, but he might have a case for most underrated player in the league in terms of or underappreciated Underappreciated is a perfect

way to go. Yeah. Yeah. That was the music to my ears. I didn't have to say shit. There we go. Listen, we got 861 likes right now. Can y'all get us to a thousand? That's my question. Who will thug shake for a thousand likes and $150? No, no, no, no. This was yours, though.

All right. You're giving them way too fucking much, Donovan. Let's ration the content. God damn it. Wait, Wembe has seven blocks right now? Holy shit. No, you're lying. Somebody in the chat just said it.

Let me check. Who are they playing right now? Oh, you're playing the Raptors. Wentby currently has 19 points, nine rebounds, five assists, two steals, and seven blocks. Crazy. Also, check the score of the Nuggets of Bucks game. Is it hilarious? 39 to 58, the Bucks are leading.

Yeah. Yonis is cooking. Jamal Murray has zero points and we're almost at half time Yeah we'll check in with all the scores After the tier list we'll check in with all the scores And see what's been going on while I've been doing this Alright let's give people a big name

What are we doing with Mr. Stefan Curry Previously previous years Easy S tier This year He had a rough stretch where a shot wasn't falling Big part of that was the team around him was ass And he was facing so much defensive attention that it was just hard for him to do anything, right?

2021 he dealt with that and was still great. You know, listen, he was three years younger. That was fine. He's not quite that good anymore. It doesn't quite have that level of play. But this past stretch, whenever they got right, Dremont's back, Kaminga's been unleashed. He actually has help.

He's looked pretty much like Prime Steph. He dropped 60 points. He's looked great again. Do we keep him in S-tier? I think it's easy to go ahead and, like, ding, Steph, whenever your team is not, like, looking as elite. and he goes through his normal, like, bro, who the fuck is this guy on the court every 10, 50 games per year? But personally, deep down, I know that he's still, like, an S-tier player.

Is this like, the perception is just easily skewed? Over the last, what, 10 games, he's been averaging 33 on 50% shooting from the, from 3.1 on 14 times per game. Like, that is stupid as hell, you know? And so that being said, don't let the, don't let the Warriors season completely blind you from the talent that he is as an individual. Don't let it rob you of his last, one of his last prime years. 100%. Somebody in the chat is like, he can't be higher than Kauai this season. The only reason you're saying that is because you're looking at the standings.

We're not talking about the team. Kauai has Paul George and James Hardin and they're cooking. He has so much more help this year. For the large part of this year, Steph Curry was having zero help. It was a disaster. We've seen them be together looking good for like 13 games and it's a whole different conversation. You can't let team construction and in situation affect your individual evaluation too much.

Exactly. Put stuff in this. Let's go. Listen, call us the eaters, calls whatever you want. Don't forget. Don't pretend. Everyone's like,

She's the best gardener league. Luke is the best gardener league. Curry's still in the conversation. Like, I declare that Lucas Bedden him now. Curry is still in the mix. He's not falling off. He's not cooked.

The team is just trash. Don't forget about him. Yeah, I think it's still very much, he's still very much in the conversation. He didn't fall off at all. His team did for sure. but don't let dissuay you. Yeah, man.

Where we're going, La Mello ball? Woo-wee! He doesn't... Oh, man, that's tough. Earlier this season, I would... You see. But the injuries is fuck it up. The injuries fuck it up, man.

It would be insulting to people in C right now, I think, to put Lamello with him. But then again, Lamello has an all-star season under his belt when he was healthy. Maybe he's the same thing. Maybe we ding him too much of team construction and injuries, and that doesn't have very much to do with him as an individual. So maybe C is fine. It's tough.

It doesn't feel great. I want to put him in D tier right now. I do think that it's kind of the same reason why we didn't put Kauai and S is because of the injuries. And we haven't seen Lamello be healthy for like a consistent stretch in a couple of years now. So I think D probably works. And also, they suck. They suck, too.

I understand that the team around them is bad, but if we're going to do that with Cade and with Cooze, we kind of have to do that with Lamello just a little bit. And keep in mind, these are all the best players in the world. So, like, they're all good. So, like, putting Lamello on a D-tier list of the 30 best players in the world, it's not like, we're not pretending he's trash. Yeah. Earlier in the year when he missed, like, I don't know, 20-some games, a chunk of time or whatever, that hurt. but he was hooping his ass off and he was putting him like 25 scoring at the rim which is like so rare for mellow for a mellow ball

and the natural tendency of his game but once he came back of course like he's had a little bit of rust shot like 40% from the field and he put up 22 points for game which is like good when you're coming off injury but it's not like great and with all those things like combining together i think d is like the right place for him right now Yeah, I think we can live with that. What do you think, Donovan? Yeah.

All right, cool. Good points. McHale Bridges, also D. Oh, yeah, D for sure. D for sure. Well, I don't know. I love you guys. I would say, I would say,

yeah, Damar and Lamella are like all-star tier guys and they're healthy. McHale isn't that. If McKell Bridges is your best player. Yeah, you're fucked. He's F-tier. What are we talking about? That is true.

That is true. That is true. Damn it. We love Michael. Great player. If this was the best second and third options, he's cooking. He's high. But as a best player on the team, we can't be doing that.

Someone said Mikhail over to Rosen. I don't know about that. I don't know about that. I don't have Mikhail on my team for sure. Correct. But if they had to be your best player on your team? You're screwed regardless. This depends on what way you want to get screwed.

Exactly. From the back to the front. You're going to get back in the front like getting fucked regardless. That's crazy. That's so visceral. What crazy it would be. But it's the truth. that's hilarious

all right man Scotty Barnes oh he's a strong C I love this yeah definitely a C I think just as good as Sangoon Lowry a little bit better than Palo

a little bit worse than Zion I think Cs makes sense agree he's a solid for him I'm good for him perfect shout out Scott man what a redemption year he's having

from Donovan calling him Tyreek Evans to being me going a fucking rampage in our live Christmas episode saying he's going to be an all-star. What a turnaround for one year for Scotty Barnes. Yeah, exactly, row.

Shout to Scotty. And they didn't make it around the allegations. He's an all-star now, isn't he? People hurt. I picked him as injury replacement too. Yeah, I was right. Same thing I did. All right, next up.

Jalen Brunson, Donovan, where are we going with your favorite man? You got a you got to put him in a i i think wow put him an a i do i do think you have to you have to put him in a this is tough um i think that brunson and actually you know what i'll be real we can put him in b just because the guys in a are two-way guys and you don't and you don't necessarily have to hide them on defense right even step right now is a very like

good, right, solid defender, and he's gotten better as his career comes on. And he's also Steph Curry. Like, he is at the peak of offensive systems as it goes. And Brunson, as great as he is, the second side of that ball isn't as great. And his playmaking doesn't make up for that in a way to where you can put him at an A tier. So I would say top top of B tier. Yeah, and he's been great. He's having a fantastic season as an individual score.

He's been doing it all year. The team wasn't amazing. before the Ogen-Nobie trade. He was playing just as good. They were a middling Eastern Conference team. The team around him got better and it was exactly what they needed to become a fantastic team.

And so those results matched with an A tier first option, but the change in variable there wasn't him. You know, he was still just as good. So you're going to, which means, depending on the players around him, he can give you a B-tier type of thing or an A-tier type of thing, you know?

Like, it comes down to how good his supporting cast is, but I don't think he's elevating you in the way the guys above him are. Exactly. Y'all saying B, and the chat saying B. We are here. Let's move on to the next.

Love that. Shout out, Jalen. Obviously having like an A caliber type of year if we're just looking at outcomes, but if we're just looking at outcomes, this would be the easiest cheerless in the world. We've got to do some critical thinking. Yeah, true.

Donovan Mitchell, been incredible this year. Teams turning around. Jared Allen's playing like an all-star. Evan Mollies been good since coming back. His offense is looking a lot better. Garland, you know, also trying to figure it out, find his place in the hierarchy there.

But Demich consistently been incredible. Now, Donovan Mitchell is a small guard who we should really consider being in a tier. And with what he's done so far this season, last 18 games of Cleveland Cavaliers are 17 and 1. His play style, his passing, his vision, and just the way he's been like slicing and dicing defenses this season, keeping the Cavaliers hopes and dreams alive,

might put him at eight here for me. I think I agree. His passing is very underrated. I had tweets the other day where I was watching one of their games. I forget which one. I had the thought, like, I want to see him be a full-time point guard in a team at some point.

Like, he can play a point guard. Like, I truly believe that he can, like, he has, you know, with Garland out,

and they're the best they've been since he's been in a Cavaliers uniform. We need to view him in that light where not saying he's an elite passer, but like, I think he's a little better passer than Jaylon and Brunson. Like he said that's like that kind of tier. Like the Brunson.

Like the Brunson-Shay type of passers where they're not like the best of the best, but like they can keep an offense moving and they can not be a black hole, not have any issue feeding his teammates. Like mix that with his obviously elite scoring. He's legit like offensive hub. I wouldn't want to see him as like the number one one guy who's like doing, I don't know, maybe like Luca. Oh yeah, not that, not that.

Oh my bad. The tweet also said with an offensive hub big man because that's why I need a passing hub big man. So like him and Sangoon, where you have passing from the five as well as Donovan Mitchell being the point guard. I need to see that. Yeah, because I was going to say that sounds like real Utah jazz type timing. Obviously he's a better player now than that, but I would like to see it. It worked. Donovan, you look like you're confused right now. Because I, I, it's hard. It's hard. I don't know, man. I think I'm going to have to settle on A2, though. Yeah. I think that like the playoff ceiling, yeah, the playoff ceiling for, for DeMitch is normally very, very high.

He is, listen, he's a better score than Anthony Edwards. And I think a lot of people, we're putting Andy Edwards in B. I think a lot of people would try to put him in A. But like when the stuff that we've seen from him this year specifically and being able to be on a team with all of your top players gone and especially having Garland gone for a lot of the year and the other creators. So now all of the attention is is on you and you're out here with, you know, Max Drews and Georges Nying and you're making it happen. I kind of have to put you in that light. Yeah, but like, is he just the top of B though? Like he's better than Anthony Edwards,

but how much better? He's better than Tyrese, but how much better? You know, like, is putting him in A, the same thing I said we shouldn't do with Jalen where we're paying too much attention to results based on the team as a whole well no but we've seen this in we've seen this in multiple on two teams right we've seen we've seen donovan mitchell led teams as the number one seed in the in in their conference and even even last year with him and garland and two small guards for a lot of teams and obviously it's different because you have mowbly and you have allen there but for a lot of teams two small guards in your backcourt means that you're going to be not you're not going to be a top elite defense and they were still able to be the best defense in the league for you know

with him with him there so shadow that yeah but he doesn't hinder your defense in that way that that maybe some other small guards do i do think that you have to put him in it all right i just think look at the names there jason tatham kawai k d donald don't mitchell's fantastic needs more love he's a notch below that and I think he's I think is closer to Anthony Edwards than he has Jason Tatum really maybe it's just mean how like

I'm starting to feel a certain type of way about Jason Tatum same so maybe that's not crazy no we're just forgetting about Tatum man we can't don't forget because he has KP now and 20 more points no it's not about KP I promise you it's not about game it's about Jason

Taylor him and his individual game and what fuck Jason Tatum game that he's doing. I haven't seen that. Dunham Mitchell's closer to Anthony Edwards than he is Kauai. I'll say that then. Or that he is KD for sure.

I mean, that's a, that's a, that's a KD playoff stuff. All right. I'm out of voted. There you go. You can be a Terry. That's fine. That's fine. The KD playoff stuff has been something that we do need to keep our eye on.

True. So. True. Okay, that's fine. That's fine. He can be a, I'm not going to, I love Donovan Mitchell. It's a quick note. It's a quick note.

I won't, I won't hate my way down to B. I'm not going to force that. I'm showing a lot of love to don't know him into though for sure. Yeah, I'm okay with recency bias because he doesn't get enough love normally so I'll let it happen. Oh, I forgot about Anthony Simons.

He's don't know him in D or F. F. Put him in F. Damn, oh my God, guys. I forgot about it. What are we going to say? He's a number one option that's also low-key at trade target.

Like, come on, bro. Put him in F. All right, man. We got a lot of hands. heavy hitters left. John Morant. Got to be A, right? Me too. What did you say? I mean... I said it has to be A tier.

Oh, okay, cool. Yeah, I agree. He's better than Donovan Mitchell. A tier. Hmm, man. Let me try to roughly order these. Would you say he's really, like, clearly better than Donald than Mitchell? I don't think it's so good. Yes, every time we've ever done a ranking, we put jaw higher. We cannot let recency bias kick our ass. When John, when John Morant is healthy, he's done nothing but lead winning teams done nothing but dropped high level teams

but clearly better than Donald has played is like all reasons he buys is on our ass is Donovan Mitchell I mean we have more data now but like okay fair fair is the way that Donovan Mitchell has played

over you know this season have we forgotten about or have we underappreciated what Donovan Mitchell is able to do you know and so that's how How big is the gap between job, for you? How big is the gap between John? Not big.

Like, I think the gap was like huge. That's how I'm like clearly bugging. I mean, no, no. I mean, so if it's like, they're both within like the 11 to 16 range of players in the league for me when they're healthy. So like they're both in the same tier. I've just like, I've never really hesitated to say Jaws better before. So I'm not going to let myself like forget about that just because Jaws not healthy and DMA just thriving. You know, like every time they both been healthy thriving.

always easily said we're going with jaw but it's close it's close so they're in the relative same range so maybe I made it sound too dramatic I didn't mean it to be like de Mitch is like way worse we hit 1K likes whew shout out to the heaters out there man you all did y'all

say today where do we go with Luca Donchich put him an S to you easy if anybody in the chat tries to put them any to your below S and come into your house and I am stealing all your towels.

You're going to be. Oh, Donovan liked that again. What is with y'all today? Bro, I have no idea. Y'all cannot stay in here without lacking out. Bro, I'm on the internet. I'm not even doing anything. Tough.

The rat Wi-Fi is wearing off on us. It's crazy. I remember we got 1,400 people in here. We cross 1,000 likes. Can we get to 1,400 likes? We've got a lot of stream left. I think y'all can do it. Now, that will be record-breaking if y'all got us to

1,400 likes while we were live. Never done before. Exactly. Special moment. Where do you want to go with Jimmy Butler? Weird one. February, right? Can we break Jimmy Butler into two?

And say people are Jimmy Butler and regular season Jimmy Butler? How about we just go ahead and we add a row below. We get here. We make this row say playoff MJ

Okay And then we put Jimmy Butler in there Right below S&A We'll make this have Its own little special color It can be bright blue And there's Jimmy Butler

Okay I like that There we go There we go Because I have no idea Where to put him Like on a regular basis Yeah

You cannot gauge Jimmy Butler With any source of reality Any source of logic compared to everybody else because right now he's not an All-Star didn't sniff an All-Star doesn't deserve it by any means

but we know come playoff time we're going to be like oh my fucking God I forgot this guy's a top six player in the world when it matters and it's the same cycle every year and never fails except for that one year in 2021

where he went outside but other than that it never fails we forget that year existed he's just a playoff God and he gets his own tier because we can't do anything else we can't judge him in reality

exactly all right who's up next All right, J.B. Who's up next? Shea Gildes Alexander. Also a tier. A tier. He can't be an S.

He can't be an S. But this is actually hard. No, it's not. I think you're on a song. Shea's playing at a level that could deserve S. For sure. But we have to see that level be reached in the playoffs. Yeah, but that's lazy, though.

He's never failed in the playoffs, so we can't hold it against him, you know? Like, there's no reason to believe he's going to fall off in the playoffs. So we can't just, like, you haven't been there yet. Like, it's not his fault. I mean, he had a, he had a chance last year. Yeah, come on, the team wasn't that level yet.

Got his teeth kicked in. But, and again, I don't think he's going to fail, but I do think that there is a level of, you have to do it before we say, again, nobody thinks you're going to fail. And that's fine, right? Just go out of meet expectations and that's okay. But there are like levels of accomplishments that you do have to do

where all the other guys ahead of him have done that to a certain degree. Yeah. He used first team all-N-A last year and he got better. He's going to be first-team all-N-B-A again. Like, it feels like we're, there's no, again, we're not, we haven't seen anything that makes us think he's anything less than us. Of course, of course. But, like, I would say to that, the first time,

when we get later to into this into this tier or into this list there's going to be guys that have repeatedly failed and they are still going to get their stuff because their regular season is so great and so all I'm saying is there is you do have to prove it right I would have never thought that I would have seen Ben Simmons lag out in the playoffs but then you but then you go ahead and you see it and sometimes people shock you and so I just you know just until that happened we'll put Shea in A

Okay you're going from the A I am a strong proponent that Luke that Shea has earned his way into S tier, shown as nothing but S field level play for two years in a row The fact he lost last year of little importance Because the team shouldn't have been there in the first place He got them overachieving to be in the playing race

The team was starting Jalen Williams A 6-9 center who doesn't rebound and doesn't defend the rim All year And he got them into the play in race As soon as he has a real team around him they've been one of the best teams in the league he's done nothing it's not like a Joelle and B situation

where we've seen him actively fail we can't ding people just because they're young and haven't gotten there yet he's done no sort of negative it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not dinging it is one of the other caliber players estier though

we also said that S tier is going to have five people in it right and there's true two names on this list that probably deserve to be an S tier so unless you unless you want to start off the dialogue of NB versus Shea

then let there be six people I don't care that's fine roughly five it doesn't got to be five let's go with integrity over arbitrary numbers am I the time breaker here you are unless you want to get a chat vote in here but they're going to go

they're obviously going to pick Shay S tier yeah but they're going to be picking him for all the wrong reasons a lot of people are saying A4A S for skims S for skims Yeah, like, he's been better than than Curry the past year, two years, two seasons in a row.

He's going to be first-team All-N-Bee a guard again. Like, he's playing on that level that he, to me, it would be disrespectful to put Shay outside of S-tier. And I know people are going too far with the hype, but I think it would be disrespectful to not give him ass. I cannot constantly say that he's been like just outright better than Curry because... I just meant he got first-team NBA, that's all I meant.

That doesn't mean anything to me. When it comes to, like, thinking about what this tier list should be... When it comes to with... It's nothing when it comes to what this tier list is about, which is the best number one player on the best option, point-blank, period. I get it. It doesn't mean everything. But if you're voted, one of the two best guards in the league two years in a row,

it means something. I give Luca props all the time for being first team all-N-B-A, four to five years in his career. That's a ridiculous accomplishment. Doing it two years in a row is not easy. That's you. But at the same time, if you were building a team right now to win a championship this year, are you taking Steph or are you taking shade?

I think I'm taking them both in the same tier You know like I'm giving They're equal footing here right now No no no you're on the clock Right you are starting your team right now Are you taking Shea or are you taking step Axe to your knees Isaac Who are you taking it? That counts

I mean if you say taking your team right now Shea because of age But for your actual question like for one year One year I guess I guess Steph I guess for one playoff run But I'm not saying Steph should be in a higher tier I'm saying they should be in the same tier Like I'm not saying Shay's above him

I'm saying he's on equal footing with them No am I am I think the reason why I ask you that is because of what Moe said, where he's like, this tier list should be because of who is the best number one option. And so if you're going to say Steph is a better number one option and you're using the, you know, Shea has been first team all NBA. Mo's right. That, that in this situation, that doesn't necessarily mean everything. And I wouldn't give Shay the tiebreaker over that to say that he's in that same tier. And so I would put him at A.

Sure. Yeah, I wasn't saying that the tiebreaker is because he was first team all NBA. I'm just saying that goes to show that he's playing an elevated level of being a first to be a caliber player multiple years in a row without failure. Go ahead and do it. Go ahead and do it. I am a huge fan of showing extra love to players so people can, like, understand just how good they are. But with that comes, they're dangerous territories of just like insane expectations being placed on there.

And I don't want to like, what's the rush to go ahead and put him at S tier? Are you going to, is he going to die tomorrow? No. Keep my name. It's just a tear list. Yeah, exactly. What's the rest? Let's put him in a name.

But look at the name. Can you put him in the same tier as Donovan Mitchell after what you've seen in the past two years? Is that really feel fair to you? Does that feel like we're giving Shay the justice he deserves for what he's done in the past two years? That's crazy to me. I feel very good about that.

Because, and it's, you're looking at it as Shays already an S-tier guy. And it's disrespectful and you're knocking him for not having the playoffs stuff. I'm going into it very even of, I expect you to continue your level of play. I don't expect you to fail. All you have to do is go and do what you normally do, and that's going to be fine. But all these other guys have shown that, and that is also a very big part of being a number one option, is delivering in the playoffs. That's the reason why Jimmy Butler has his own tier. That's the reason why Donovan Mitchell, honestly, might be in this category because his playoff ceiling is very, very high.

So I just want to see Shea go ahead and do it And then I have no problem Like most said, I have no problem If we do this tier list again in June Putting you in S tier It's not crazy logic I'm not saying it's insane Is parsing here as I understand

So I'm outvoted, it's fine If he has one nice playoff series Then I'd be fine putting him in S tier It doesn't matter how What happens to the OKC Thunder I just need to see him do And I am more than confident Out of all the young players

Rising in the NBA today He's the guy where I'm like I know he's going to perform of the playoffs. Yeah, and I get it. And I think he's like the sixth best player in the league. So if we're doing the top five

thing, I understand it. Like, it's fine. Yeah. And going by my logic, too, I think he's, yeah, I agree. He's like five, six best player in the league.

So he probably, like I would want to come to be put him in ass, but I just need to hold the horses just here because I've put players before like way further than they were supposed to be. And it's been me in the ass

plenty of times and I've learned from that lesson. Yeah, the difference is you guys need to see it happen in the playoffs. I'm like, I'm going to assume it does until it doesn't so that's the difference there that's fine that makes total sense it makes total sense someone said wemby has 10 blocks oh my goodness is is wemby going in this tier list there we go next name now donovan where do you want to put wemby i got to put him in b right now

right now right now right now i have to put him in b they're still um if we were talking if we were projecting and going out into the future he's obviously s tier But right now in this moment, there's still some offensive, you know, limitations to him as a number one player that I would like for him to improve. So I would put, I would put him in B. It's going to be tough because people are immediately going to be like, he wasn't even an all-star, his team is terrible. How can you put him high?

For like, again, strict looking at results, not process, not contextually who's around him, what role he's in, the fact that he's on a mince restriction, the fact that he's playing with lackless, talent around him, all that. But him as an individual, just his performance and what we can project in all things being equal, everybody has a competent team around

him, you cannot tell me with a straight face that you think that Scotty Barnes would lead you to a better team right now. No. No. It's be minimum. It's be minimum. Yeah. And like, listen, I've been making a lot of Wemba Niyama propaganda content, my

personals. So I'm seeing how everybody feels about it. All the casuals are like, oh, you're so stupid. He's on a terrible team He was a rookie, people are so late to come around. He has 10 blocks tonight. He's the best rim protector in the NBA immediately. Like people don't quantify defense into this nearly enough. Like truly DPOI level defender, 20 point per game score with ease on a minute restriction. If you look at his stats since he became a starting center, it's like 22 points per game on like 26 minutes.

That's absurd. He's a great offensive player too. His stat line tonight is 27 points, 14 rebounds, 10 blocks. Five assists. He has a triple double with blocks? Yeah. And five assists? This man's a goon.

I'm putting him in B. We're putting him in B at least. That's crazy. This man's a God. What the hell? Yeah, listen, if I got to be the preeminent Victor Woman Yama Glazer on the internet, I'll do it.

It's ridiculous to not put him in B. Yeah, I think when it comes to jumping ahead of a lot of players or getting ahead a little bit, whenby seems to be he is literally the exception of it because everyone sees him yeah shout to mike donate one dollar honest question could wendy win dp oi is a rookie no because dp oi goes to the best defender on the best defense and his team is too shitty to be that high defensively but could he be like an all-nba defensive team i think you should he definitely should he definitely should

i would also think that he should be in the conversation for a defensive player in the year but also like i just know that's not going to happen because of the way politics and it takes people like a little bit of time to show it like show attention to what players are really locking shit up and have that reputation and Wembe just simply doesn't have that yet. Yeah and just they don't give it to anybody that's not a top three defense in the league for their team. It just doesn't

happen. Yeah. Donovan, what would you like to do? Okay, first of all, we haven't got to Giannis. He's this year. Yeah, yeah. That's what I was going to say. Okay, no debate there. Still Yonis there. What do you want to do with Joellen beat? So

interesting, because He's been bawling out of his goddamn mind We witnessed another Give me 30 seconds to think about Okay, here's my question I'll let's contact me to my camera out We'll take 30 seconds How important on a scale of what

How much are we leaning to playoff resume with this Of strictly like have you done in the playoffs How much does that matter to you guys? Because it matters for sure It matters for sure but how much Like are you going to be Is it more important the playoffs in the regular season for you for this list it's a combination of both

I hold I hold regular I don't know man I don't know that's hard that's hard because like different question my bad how much how much do injuries how much leeway are you giving injuries because a big part of Dwell and B's failures

every year in the playoffs are health related it's always he's playing through injuries usually granted he's had some games where he just sits himself doesn't make shots gets locked up previous years but like as of late when he's been MVP caliber more often than not the playoff woes are injury related.

And granted, if you can't say healthy, you can't stay healthy. Are we going to just say that, listen, that's the reality we live in, or are we going to show grace to people who are unlucky with injuries? That might be the reality that we live in. I'm looking at S-tier. I have Yolkid, Steph, Luca, and Janus. As those guys on the best player of my team, I have no worries about any nicks or dings really affecting them heavily

in the playoffs. But for Joel and Beat, he's the epitome. that and do I really want to put him an A tier for that I don't know like that it just feels so first take you to just be like do it in the playoffs as the only thing it is matter a lot so I'm not not not to say like it's not an equation but when you're that dominant especially this year before he got hurt like at a certain point that can't be everything just because that those type of results are so contextual that we can't there has to be other reasons out with like some thought

besides just you haven't done it in the playoffs you know I understand all of that. I think I have to put him in it. I knew you're going to go out. No, but I actually, like, it's very hard just because I think that for, like, we said with Shea, and we're not putting him in S because we just want to see it in the playoffs. And there's no reason to think that he's not going to perform at that level, but he just hasn't done it.

We want to wait and see it. And Beats had several playoff runs, and it's not just the results, right? If we were having this conversation after 2019 and it was, oh, Kauai just hit one of the craziest buzzer beaters in NBA history, then it would be a little bit different. We're four or five years removed from that, and the process has been very, very bad. We've seen several bad playoff games, bad playoff series. And to not make the conference finals being this dominant, when you ask your best. player to show up, right? One of the reasons why we hate on Sabonis a lot is because you put limitations on your

team to where in the playoffs, there's going to be a ceiling. And with Joelle and Bede up until this point, whether it be because of injury or his own play style, there is a ceiling on the 76ers until further notice because he's there. How many of these series that he lost were you expecting his team to win? That's the question. You say he hasn't met the conference finals, I agree. That's a different question because I didn't expect him to win because I expected him to not. Okay, let's pretend it's not that.

How many of these series says he had the better team where he was the favorite? Last year you played Boston, Boston was the favorite. He was not expected to win that series. If you pulled it out, great, it wouldn't have been crazy shocking. Boston was the better team. I'm not going to ding him for losing to Boston and seven. Granted, he didn't close the game. He had 15 points, 5 for 18 from the field, playing through injury with his knee injury, wasn't good.

Last two games, they lost two games in a row that they could have closed the series out. Not a great moment for him by any means. It was awful. But he lost to the better team. You know, so like, and we go year by year. That happens a lot. Up three two. Yes.

Up three two. Now, he should have beat the heat in 22? Something that I'll say, it's not about like whether or not you should be, how this player performs when it comes to, is he favored or not and all his other stuff. It's about how you go out. That's the biggest issue. It's okay to lose It's how you lose Yeah, exactly

Last year he lost out sad Correct That's a good idea But against Atlanta He didn't go outside 37, 22, 31 The last three games 52% from the field

60% from the field Game 6 was terrible Which that was famously one of his other worst games In the playoffs So they should have beat Atlanta There was a lot of reasons

They fell apart there Not related just him I think nobody really Hates on him Too much for that one Miami's probably The worst one They should have won right

I would say I would say Atlanta, Atlanta or Miami can be argued as the worst ones because they were the one seat and they were down and they were down three to the Hawks. Yeah, but that was a, everybody else around him shit himself rather than just Joelle and B playing poorly. I think he more often played well that series than not. You know, that was the infamous Ben Simmons falling apart, Doc Rivers put on a master class of shit.

It was nothing good that series. I don't think that one was a Joelle and Bid meltdown. Obviously, he could have gone superhero, sickle. mode and won the series for his team like other best players in the world could have he didn't do terrible you got a 420 game you got 9 to 24 7 to 14 and a 16 point win i mean okay so they've probably played decent in that game but again you're still down you're still down three to to what the five seed i think yeah because i think the next with the four seed so you have you have a series where you are the one seed and you lose in the second round a series in which you

had the better team than Miami and again you lose and a series where you were up three two against the Celtics also on your home floor in game six had it done and let Jason Tatum go crazy in the last three minutes of the game and go outside in game seven this is year after year after year but the last two were injury related the last two he was hurt playing through it and I remember correctly 22 was a disaster class for James Hardin the first year he got there big shit fest yeah but Joelle and B was was hurt. So these last two was playing through injuries. So how much does that matter to you? How much that matter?

That's our reality. That's our reality. Again, but are we being results based or are we being talent based and like, again, injuries happen? Like, I'm not saying either one's right or wrong, but like, you know, is it unlucky this? You know, it's kind of hard.

I think for somebody who has been as dominant as Joel has in the regular season and somebody who is like you know, before the injury on his way, to like three straight scoring titles and, you know, back-to-back MVPs and doing all that type of stuff, you kind of have to be results based at this point because it's not about it. We understand how great you are. We understand that the Sixers are going to be one of the

elite teams in the regular season. And really when it gets down to it, whether you're the one seed, the two seed or the three seed isn't a massive, massive difference. So I kind of have to lead in A Let's make a poll See what chat thinks Shout out to Tom Zahedl Tipping $5

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and B's weird. Obviously, the playoff thing isn't there, but you guys said it's a mixture of both, right? And when you're so absurdly dominant in the regular season and truly one of the three best players in the world, it's easy to be like the playoff thing as like, nope, you can't be there because you didn't do it.

But you got to keep on, it's a mixture of both, not just the playoff thing, you know? So like, as low as you think he is come playoff time, that other regular season part is so fucking high, it might earn him the bottom of s tier yeah that regular season is yeah that regular season is super high

but I'm sitting here and I'm like the easiest way to contextualize this conversation for me is like does he belong in the same tier as someone like Kauai Leonard because he's kind of like both have like had some serious issue things injury things going on the only difference is like Kawhi Linder is that fucking dude in the playoffs the second he touches there at the most important time

of the year when I need him the most and Joval doesn't do the opposite for the injuries and all that other stuff, but... It's just tricky. We can't treat the regular season like it doesn't matter. You know, if it's a tricky thing people fall into a lot, the type of conversations is, like, just play off our bust. And, like, sample size has to matter in the day. Like, we play the games for a reason.

So, like, it just feels weird to... We say it's a mixture of both, but really we mean it's what you do in the playoffs. If he had made a conference finals, that would be something different. They haven't been out the second round. And it's that, I think that's the part where I really, really get tripped up on because you've never even been in a position to get to the finals. You've never, you've never won two playoff series.

And that as like a number one seed and as a dominant player, you've gone into these series and a majority of the times the Sixers have had the best, quote-unquote, best player in the series. and they haven't been in situations to win the series and they haven't been able to close the deal and a lot of that does fall on Embed dude this poll is 50-50 right now this is crazy yeah this is so divisive

I oh that's nuts 50-50 exactly it keeps going back and forth yeah personally oh go ahead what is it I just feel like Joelle and Beat is such a weird circumstance that like yeah I understand completely but it's just such a high level play otherwise

that I feel like we have to like well I mean I say that I was gonna say view him a little bit differently because like there's other players that have never won are like unanimous playoff chokers famously that happens it's rare somebody as good as

Joelle and B'd you know would we have okay if this was 2019 where would you have put James Hardin oh this is probably probably in A tier as well that would have been nuts But actually, but actually, listen, they did, they've made conference finals. Yeah, exactly.

Arden is like what you would. It's a different conference. It's slightly different because he's had plenty of playoff games, great playoff games before. I think his proper reputation is like tarnished just a little bit too much. But regardless of the fact, like, I think I might lean towards Zuland B being a tier because he is with all the things combined, if he's my best player on a night-to-night basis,

including like regular season and playoffs, I'll be less confident and I'd be worrisome with what he'll be able to give me on a consistent nightstander. But doesn't it feel crazy to put an MVP? It does feel crazy, but that's just the nature of who he is. It's weird that I'm the one that's arguing for these guys to be higher, right?

I feel like normally be the way around. I don't know. It feels strange to not put, clearly we all think he's a top-five player in the NBA to not put him in S-tier. I just think, obviously, the regular season matters a lot. And I do think that for a lot of people, it's been devalued and some people don't necessarily care about it.

At the end of the day, we play all of this to win a championship. And if your best player is not able or has shown you multiple times that he has failed in his job to lead you to even be in a position where you can accomplish your goal that is a knock it's a problem it's a problem because he's done he's done it with multiple he's done it on multiple errors

he's done it with ben simmons he's done it with james hardin right had it with tyrese maxi there have been three iterations of the sixers team and it's gone bad every time and it's ended bad every time right now the vote is still 50 50 it's currently s tier has marginally more but it's still 50-50 Foof Yeah At that point in time

I'm just like If I have to have all these worries about you What's the point of like You being My best player I feel like I have better sleep at night If I put Joel in B to the S tier And I might want to do that

I might flop because it's just like It makes my brain at ease I generally know like On most nights He's best, he's better than all these motherfuckers A, B, C, D, F, whatever but it's like but let the Easter Bunny come out

and it starts to turn into April, May, and June and now we're talking about a different Joelle and B that we've seen and if it was just one year I would understand even if it was two years I would say okay we could probably put them in A but this is something that's been the case for four or five years now

but again they all haven't been the same like it's so you can't every it hasn't been four years of what we saw in the last two games last year it hasn't always been that how if ever but like every single time there's a new excuse come on no listen you you're you're gonna take that you're gonna take that word and you're gonna think of it as like extremely extremely negative and you're gonna be like oh with there's like it's not an excuse it's a reason but every time i ask but every time i ask you right every time i ask you

sixers getting it done in the playoffs why isn't joel and b doing x y and z in the playoffs you always have some there's always something that you can say oh this happened this happened this happened where just get it done like i don't i don't care get it done i you have there has to be a certain point where you look at the best player and you say just get it done because all the other guys just got it done they it just happened like and luke Luca, Luca is on here. He had, Luca was playing with a young,

or younger, Jalen Brunson, and Reggie Bullock, right, as his, as his crew. Michael Kim Gilchrist in the bubble, let's talk about. And he's out here making, and he at least made the conference finals

before Joelle and B. Yeah, but why is like, I mean, I get it. Conference finals is further than the second round. But, like, we're treating conference finals like it's get it done. when like he could make the conference fine if last year he would have won the game seven

and then went outside in the conference finals that wouldn't have changed your opinion you would have been like oh he made the conference finals but he didn't get it done like that's not true that's not true because that's the set we literally just said three minutes ago that's why I view James Harden differently because you made it to a conference finals

getting getting to the point where you are at least in position to play for the NBA finals that is a very very big difference than going outside in the second round especially when three years in a row we've seen you two of those years you had the better team and one of them you were up three to two on your home floor with the chance to close it out

and if you want to look at these situations and just be like oh well stuff happens okay fine like if you're gonna discredit that stuff in the playoff then okay I guess but that is a major part of being one of the best players in the world yeah I get it okay well we're clearly right of standstill Mo wherever we're going you're the tiebreaker

the chat is at 52% S tier 48% of a tier where are you going Mo I will put them at you either one or two ways put him at a high tier front of a tier or put them at the back end of S tier and back into S tier might be

the best way to go simply because like for being real he's just simply better than a lot of those guys so I'm going like low end S tier. Yes finally low one I won one finally I won one I lost a I'm so glad

I win one you understand he's not going to be in the playoffs again this year right well his lake fallout this year i'm not i mean tough and and once again we're going oh they both lagged out how hilarious that chat they lagged out i'm not bringing him back in this is my fucking streamer wow you guys lagged out the same time oh mo lagged out again that's crazy this is ridiculous This is hilarious. You guys are back.

Weird. We file for us. We're here. That's crazy. That's fine. We have one more left. LeBron James. Where do we go to LeBron James?

LeBron is in A tier. He's in A. Yeah. It feels like two or three years ago. I think this would be S tier for sure. But, you know, LeBron's getting up there. Can't do what he does and take over games the entire. of being like he used to, which is completely fine

for his age, but at the same time, for him to be still this elite and take over, like, orders and at certain turns of the game, like, I think 80 is fine. Fair. Yeah, I don't really have your arguments of that. I mean, we know he has S-tier peak, but consistently there's a reason

his, the fact that LeBron's teams every year are in the play-in race, despite having another star who's playing great, like nobody has any issues to AD this year, shows you that as great as he is, as good as the numbers are, as much as we know can take over fourth quarters, his consistent impact from start to finish of the game isn't what it once was.

You know, like, Prime LeBron would elevate these teams to be better than 9C, even with the immense issues they have and lack of supporting cast, the 2018 Cavs still won a lot more games than these Lakers are. Yeah. Granted, it was a weaker Eastern Conference, so maybe that's the only reason why. But, you know, multiple years in a row of being a mediocre team. And, you know, as for the fault that some of the guys in Estier have, They simply have a floor-raising factor that

current LeBron doesn't currently have. He's more of a ceiling guy at this point where if you get him into the fourth quarter of a big game, he's going to pull that shit out. But over a long sample size, it's just hard to put him in the same tier. The ceiling that he provides is simply different. You hit it on the money,

and that's why a lot of teams are scared shitless if you go ahead and have to face the Lakers in the first round. That's every team's worst nightmare. And that's why I didn't put AD here. Yes. I mean, if you're the fucking Oklahoma City Thunder and you see the Lakers in the first round as the 7-2, you're fucking scared.

That's not fun. That might be food. For who? The Lakers? For the Lakers? Or OKC? No, for OKC. Okay, you might think that? I fucking promise you, Mark Dagnall does not think that. He wants to see anybody else. He wants to see who

else is in that playing range. He would much rather see the Mavericks. I'm telling you that. The Mavericks are on the come up, but whoever's going to be there instead, you know, I promise you he'd rather see the Warriors than he would rather see the Brun and AD. Yeah, exactly. So because it's like matchup, There's not a lot of teams in the Western Conference outside, of course, like the Denver Nuggets, who are like, ooh, and maybe like the Clippers who are like, ooh, that's like not really great.

And I guess you can throw in Minnesota into that conversation as well. It's like, ooh, like that kind of gives us problems in like a multitude of ways because the AD and LeBron and the pressure that they provide it to rent and shit. So it's like. Is there anything else that we want to change on this list? I guess the S-T is probably pretty good. We debated those at length. You guys still feel good about Shane A, KD, and A? Yeah, I still feel good.

Yeah, I feel really good about Shane A and KDNA. I feel better about Joelle and S as this time goes on. How do we feel about Demar and D? Because the Bulls are like, they also suck. He's not even their best player right now. That's what I'm saying. Like, they've gotten better. They've gotten better, at least right now.

They've gotten better because Kobe White has like ascended. and it's starting to play a lot better. But if Kobe White was the player that he was last year, and it was just DeMarterson in this situation, are the Bulls, what, 10-seed? Yeah, but keep in mind, they're always playing. We never say the Bulls are mid, and they're always 14-seed. Always playing.

He keeps those mid-ass teams in the play-end. You know, F-tier, Cade, worst team in the league. Kuzma, worst team in the league. Simons, worst team in the league. McHale, I guess, a little bit better than worse. in the league but they're not the playing they're right outside the playing and it's like they're probably mckell is the issue in my opinion mckell and domar for me what you don't put mackle and d either mccall and d or demar doesn't got to join him in f demar's not f that's a dish demar is

still a good player nobody's saying he's bad we're saying as the best player on your team an anthony simons and kyle kuzma are an f tier they raise up mikhail burgess do y'all feel that strongly about mikhail bridges being deep sure if you want no it's more it's more about demar i want i want to be lower but you don't want um you don't want them to be on the same tier as kade kyle and simon so we can compromise and put mckell higher all right sure mcale welcome to d tier best player on the team and his team is not one of the worst in the NBA you deserve to be in d'r mckell fair enough that's a good that's a good good way to phrase it if your team is not one of the

worst teams in the NBA. I mean, I guess Lamello would be F tier for that example, but he's too good for that, obviously. We've got to weigh talent to this at some point, you know, it's not just results. I mean, what I mean? We're not looking at standings and putting me the tiers for that. There's got to be some talent into that, too. Like,

you know, like, who's above these people, for example? Lamello is just as good as I mean, I don't even want to throw any names out there, but you know, as, you could put Lamello in his C off of talent if his team was good, but his team's trash, so obviously he's lower. Yeah, I agree.

How do you guys feel about John Morant and D. Mitch and A? Are we still confident on both of them? I feel so good with both of them in A. I still feel really good about that. Okay. Jalen Brunson still B? Feel good. I feel good about that.

Yeah. Yes, yes. And hasn't taken that leap as expected. He's taken a leap, but not as sizable as you'd want it to be. Or at least a lot of people made it seem like it was going to be. Yeah, another guy who's making his, his reputation and is living off of the first six weeks of the year. I, bro, I still hear, like, on podcast right now,

when people are talking about, like, the Tim Wolves and their playoffs, like, outlook, everyone's like, listen, Anthony Edwards, he locked up Jason Tatum. And I was like, my brother. That was. Two blaze. It was in 23. It was 25 degrees outside last time. That happened.

What are we talking about here? And he fouled out. Like, what are you? What? Yeah, I'm cool with all this. I think this is a good list. Yeah, I don't really have any issues. Obviously, there's a lot of them are debatable.

People are somebody in the comments are saying, Curry and S is hilarious. Again, you're just looking at a standings. You're not doing any critical analysis, any thinking at all. Is Curry worse than last year? Not really. Is his team worse than last year?

Duh. He deserves to be high still. Yeah. I agree. What a tierless. What a stream. This may be a career high in likes, Not 100% sure, but that was pretty close.

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