The Deep 3 Podcast - Putting Every NBA Team's Offseason In A Tier List | TD3 Live

Episode Date: August 5, 2024

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Yeah. Yeah. Mm. Ready to see the lace rolling? See all the comments? You know? I've missed it. I've missed it. Dude. It's been about a month. Yeah, man. But a long time since we pressed this Go Live button here from our own setups, not from the BR offices. It's only right. We see late messages to start like always. You know, it's like a write-up.

passage to welcome us back. I'd never thought that I'd miss seeing somebody lie in my face and tell me that I was late, but I love to do you. You miss being slandered? They're spamming it, man. They're here. Spamming late like always. Yeah, man, we're back.

How's your guys' offseason gone? We kind of had like, essentially like our own off season. We had a month off where we blocked record a bunch of stuff before episode 100. That's not our first time back. How you're feeling? Yeah, exactly, yeah Donovan's off-season good That's what really matters

Yeah Put it back up, put it back up We got you on the solo cam Ah Right there Oh, they said Mo is muted Okay, let me fix that Can you guys hear Donovan though?

Let's see I got you guys though This time I know what's wrong I got you Let me go ahead and put Mo's settings on right Yeah, no, it's been forever, bro. My settings reset every time, but I got you. I'll fix them.

And, you know, input, monitor and output. Let's see about Donovan. Okay, we're good. We can hear Mo now. Everybody's good. Okay, finally. I'm free. Someone said, turn Don up, okay.

Donovan, turn your mic up a little bit. All right. Turn me up in the headphones. You good? Yeah, listen, we're wrestling. Listen, this is our, listen, everybody has a preseason, right? We're getting back into it. We'll be back, though.

We'll be sharp. Someone said W marriage. Don got a ring before. Don got a ring before Chris Paul. I knew that I was coming. I knew that I was coming. Wait, who is a player that you actually like are, that you kind of envy that they haven't won a ring yet?

Not envy, but you're just like, yeah, I'm kind of happy. Is it CP3? That they haven't gotten the ring? Probably James Harding. Damn. Fake use to Nick. Someone said Don got a ring before Hallie. Like Halliburton's not 24 years old.

Exactly. Oh, that's so weird. Did I get married before Joel N.B. made the conference finals? Yes, I did. That's crazy. Yes, I did. Someone said you guys are still quiet. I'll just turn myself down because mine's probably a little bit louder because I'm the one hosting the stream.

So, yeah, I'll just turn mine down. Because 6 dB, it better sound even now. There we go. Yes. Bam, man, we're back with a bang. We're going to do something that you guys always like seeing with us. on the live dreams we're going to do a tier list stream and you know it's the off season a lot of stuff's going on teams are changing so it's only right that we put every single NBA teams off

season into a tier list kind of judge the lay of the land see who's done well this summer see who's done poorly stuff like that let's talk about it let's talk also mo what what are you drinking your drink was mad bright is that a Baja blast i see no it's not a damn baja blast mind your damn business and if you want to find out you can just ask me now No free promo, so I can't go ahead and show them. I did ask you, you got mad at me. This is, you know what ice is? It's not ice, but it's like a similar product to that.

It's cool. It's an Arctic twist. There we go. Shout out Joaquin 37 for tipping $5, starting the stream off as a first donator back. He said, here's five bucks for a wedding gift, Don. Super happy for you, bro. Wow.

Appreciate it. Appreciate it. Wow. I'm getting that. Send that to me after the show. Isaac, I got you. Someone said Moe got pressed. You got so mad.

All right, man. Before we get to the main topic, you guys know. We'll get to the tier list. We'll get to the main thing. But we got to go first to our handy-dandy documents full of news stories. And, oh, we got a donation. Equalizer tip $1. Congratulations on the marriage chubs.

That's crazy. I hate that you started that. I really do. Because it's extremely accurate. It's not even wrong. You can fight the allegations. Yeah, you can fight McHale Bridges. You can fight Norm Pall.

You can't fight Chubbs. Chubs is who you are. I thought Chubbs was a handsome guy, so I see no reason for that. No one there was like that. First story we got today. Not really story. Listen, it's the summer. Not a lot's going on.

Is he trying to take you two down in? Damn. We got tweets rather than new stories. And today we got an opinion by Brian Winhorse. He says, if the Boston Celtics were in this Olympic tournament, I think they have a very good chance of winning it. Could you guys see the Southics winning gold against the rest of the world? Yeah, good job, buddy.

You're just Japanese. If Team USA minus Jason Tatum, which is basically Team USA right now. Andrew Holliday and Derek White. That is true. But you still have plenty of people that you can replace them with. They're fine. Team USA would still win. It's, come on.

Okay. Yeah, yeah. Putting up against USA is diabolical. That's ridiculous. Mo, do you think the Celtics can beat everybody? else besides USA? Like, could they take down France, Australia, and all them? That's how Brian Windsor should have fucking framed this. Potentially, yeah, like, there would still be, by a decent land, by a decent size,

the best team in the world, in my opinion, because you have all the NBA players on there, for sure. But what it shocked me or surprised me if they ran into a Nicola Yogish-led team or a France-led team by, I don't think Kulubali is on it this year, but where do you Bayer, Nicholas Batum and Wembe and all those guys, like, it wasn't surprising at all. But I think it would be the best. Someone in the chat said, guys, y'all were on Sports Illustrated, y'all made it. What are they talking about? Sports Illustrated, what are you talking about? I have no idea what they're talking about. But if you weren't cool, I don't even maybe they like tweeted us or something. I guess. Yeah. Shout to KG. I think it's Kevin

Galicki. He's back. Donating $25. He said, Donovan, I want to say you're not a hater. You're just a a fan but you're a nix yankees and an eagles fan you might be doing this on purpose you're a yankees man yeah i mean casually i don't keep up with baseball the way that like i used to or want to but when when it comes to october i will gladly be a bandwanging yankee fan i watched through social media and i watch like what like five games a year and then i see i see the tweet i see the yankees win i'm like nice we did it it's really the extent of my yankees fandom right now. I started a poll. Could Boston win

gold? Y'all let us know in the chat what you guys think. Tandy G. Tadip $5. He said, welcome back to streaming. Missed my two podcasts per week. Two, questions. Do you plan to have more guests? Of course. Two, which situation would be the best situation for a Cooper? I can't read.

Which situation would be the best situation for Cooper Flag to enter with the teams I plan to tank? Ooh, so who's y'all's favorite Cooper Flag Team? That's such a good question. he needs to stay away from Detroit I don't know what it is but what the NBA needs to do with Detroit

of course they need some talent Cooper flag is not the right talent let's wait till like 2020 2028 or something like that I need a respectable organization see but that's a problem with that respectable put him in Portland Donovan clinging ain't Cooper flag

that'd be sick twin towers that's nasty oh my god oh we call on some disgusting nicknames hey we're calling them Captain America and the winter soldier we're gonna have those two Why do that be sick? That's good. That would be disgusting. Put him in Portland, please.

And if Scoot's good? Not to mention Shaden Sharp, that'd be nasty. We need that. I'm seeing Spurs, obviously. Spurs would be cool. I don't think they're going to be tanking like that, though. Someone said Orlando. Come on. The Hawks. Brooklyn Nets to replace Donovan.

What about the Hornets? You think they'll be that bad next? year no no i'm not looking i'm not looking at the hornets and ever being like yeah that's a good situation for a young player to yeah yeah 54% of you guys said boston wouldn't win gold tough wow that's disrespectful to the champs i mean at the same time guys you have to understand that in like international basketball mid players raise up to a different level right so all the guys that are in the NBA who only get 12 minutes a night and average like six points

a game, they're dropping 30 on whoever. It really doesn't matter. You can go up against French, you can go up against Serbia and all this stuff. And there's going to be a guy who, out of nowhere, it's just cooking Derek White. And Genevarez is just going to be like,

I don't know how to stop him. I just can't do it. And you're going to look up in ES25. So you're going to get those situations. Yeah. Shout out to Horse of Yokish for tipping $10. He said, out of Moe and Isaac, who's the next to get married? Also, Don, how does it feel to have more rings than Covello, Anthony? See, you didn't have to do that on the bucket.

I have my answer for the first question. I think all three of us know it, and we will move on. Currently a topic that perhaps should not be discussed. The next news story. An anonymous NBA executive doesn't believe Jeremy Grant would make the Lakers better. If they get Grant, I'm not sure they're that much better as a team. He's not a very good defender. I am not sure he's that much better than Rui.

How do y'all feel about this? You know, this is very talked about. Even if it doesn't happen in this offseason, it could happen at the deadline. They want them. Do you guys want to see the Lakers get them? Not much better than Ruey. No, no.

Because I do think it would make the Lakers better. I think this is cap. I think the makers are obviously the most talked about team in the NBA. And what comes with that is a whole lot of hating and a whole lot of cap it. And it's like, Rue Hatchamore. it's fine he's like he's a solid role player i do think that jeremy grant would give them more

um more options just overall offensively and and defensively he would provide a little bit more more versatility and we really really are holding on to the rui hachemore we saw two years ago and that's kind of like the potential that everybody thinks i think you can get a little bit more consistent with jeremy grant in that lineup yeah he said uh jeremy grant's not a very good defender he's not what it used to be for sure you know naturally guys 30 but focusing on offense getting his buckets on crappy teams for a while he's not going to be quite the level of intense defender he used to be have you seen ruy play defense it's under talked about how bad he is defensively even if jeremy grant is just fine these days replacement level perimeter defender that's going to be a noticeable upgrade maybe you could say it's not worth two first-on picks and twelve million dollars extra upgrade i could see that but they'd get better for sure you know how like back in the day but a lot of people don't say this as much now but in like NBA draft scouting days or whatever whenever you have like typical five or five who shouldn't be a real five and who's more so or like a four tweener rehitch mirror yeah tweener that's a that's a literal definition of it rehachamura has all the worst qualities of the

defense of the worst quality he's a three four tweeter for sure yeah yeah he's he's that he's the modern version you know what that is a modern version of a tweener is somebody who physically is big not to play the four but doesn't defend the interior and should be able to play the three but they're a cone that's the day's tweeter you can't guard the inside or run around screens like you need to to be a three in small ball lineups that stuff yeah exactly you just has no place for real when it comes to serious basketball so the halftime edits in the chat said read trepid rookie of the year maybe yes i see the vision summer league was special it's very possible there are there's a lot of mouse to feed though in houston there is a lot of there's a lot of

people in that hierarchy and I think like that's where we are with houston's development where we're trying to figure out like actually know we know shangoon is the best player after that where do the dominoes fall is a man going to rise up this this offseason how big of a step is jalen green finally going to take like I don't know if reed is going to have the full opportunity because they just have a lot of guys but i can definitely see it maybe if they get rid of jalen and reed Sheper comes on, like, his shooting is just going to be fantastic for them. Yeah. Y'all, we have 163 likes on stream right now, more than three times that in here right now.

If you're going to do us a fair of drop a lock in the stream, really appreciate it. You said in such a nice way, don't do us a favor. You have to leave a life on this. Oh, my God. You absolutely will. Most days, press you guys for legs on your face, and I will, for sure, continuously press you on your face. All right now. All right, man.

Next story. Kobe has a new statue. You know, the first. one was met with decent reception. It's fine, right? It's a cool statue. Not one the best, not horrible. Yeah, it's all right. It's perfectly all right. The new one, as we see here,

let me make sure you guys can see my screen. This new one is better, I think. It's him and his daughter sitting on a stool or a bench with angel wings behind them. Where is that? It's at the Lakers Stadium, I think. It's somewhere in Los Angeles.

It's part two of their three statue system they're going to be doing for him over the next year. too. Okay. This is actually dope. I fuck with it. It's a little sad, but it's like, man, this is beautiful. Well, yeah, it's sad. It's not exactly a happy situation. Yeah, I mean, of course, but it's like that. But that was dope. In the approval over the first one, someone said AI generated statue, haters. It's a good statue. It's nice. So it's a hard to add criticism. Yeah, you can't really criticize it. It's a good statue. Shout out

Lakers for giving him part two of a great statue system. it's beautiful that's not everyone should say you're a terrible person if you think otherwise next one NBA 2k 25 they are moving different this year as you guys see we got the yearly graphic side by side how do you guys feel about this don't care what's next we do not care one bit oh my god that is what is that exactly this is barely even that they put an Instagram filter on the graphics and were like, hey, we're, we're back. They made them orange. That's all they did.

I can do the same exact thing on fucking Photoshop, bro. Shout out to Hani for tipping $2. Shout out to $1,23 for tipping $3. And shout out to Ferris V2 for tipping $10. Appreciate all, yo. Thank you for the donations. Wemby's shoe leak. Oh, yeah.

I'm glad you put this in the dog. I forgot about this. Victor Womenyama's potential shoe has been not really leaked. It's been shown. And I don't know if this was supposed to be public, but they were showing at some kind of, like, expo. How do you all feel about this? It looks like a stalker shoe, to be honest with you. That's what I was thinking.

And it makes a little bit of sense, though, I guess. Like, if you're just like, yeah, like, he's from France. Like, they rock with soccer heavy over there. Do you want to use that as, like, inspiration? It's really, really hard. For people who are, like, seven feet and above, it's really hard to make cool shoes because it's just massive. And, like, the proportions of the foot are crazy. So you're trying to make something that fits.

the athlete, but if you're just like a regular-sized person, I don't know if you're wearing the shoe out like that. I don't think this is going to be a real shoe. I think this is some kind of special thing. I can't imagine this is something that actually reproduce at a huge scale and sell to average people. So I don't think when a shoe comes out would actually look like this. This is probably some special thing and this is a clickplate caption. But interesting, nevertheless. This does become a shoe, Isaac. This has to diminish his, has to diminish Wemby's potential. 10%. Diminishes potential? Oh, losing war points.

Exactly. Someone said that's got prototype written all over it, facts. All right, man, new stories today suck. I'm grasping at straws. Oh, this one isn't quite a new story because it's projection. Everybody expects important showblazers to trade John Drayton at some point. I put this on here. Where do you all want to see Aidan get traded to?

You know, we've had a few months now to talk about it and think about it since they got Klingin and they have Robert Williams. They're going to trade these guys. what do you see as an ideal Aiton team? I can't believe those words came out of your mouth. An ideal Aiden is if he has like the right to be picky. Aiton's good, man. He's over-hated.

He's good. He's all right. He's okay. Ah, you fucking haters, man. He's good. The Raptors could use them. He's fine. He's okay. I wouldn't be mad at that.

Yeah. Like he can do a lot of stuff. Kelly, you know, he's like going to do me a lot of time. Shanghai. Shanghai is crazy. Welcome to Tai Phi Pozo. He feels like, well, actually, no, because they just signed Nick Clark, Nick Clackston. But, I mean, Aitin right now is in that, he's in that category for me where you're just not, I can't see you being a part of a serious basketball team.

Like, I can't see you as the starting center for one of the eight to ten best teams in the league. And so wherever you go, it really is, are you going to show effort, are you going to show something different than what you showed in Portland? Because the lows there and the motor stuff that people have been talking about for the last couple of years with him, it did show up. Now, he did have a couple weeks where he was dominated. And that did show up. You're going to have to be in a situation where you're tanking and you really have the opportunity. So maybe somewhere like Charlotte, right, if you want to go there. If the Tor can get him on the load, that's a great, like, deal.

I'm seeing a lot of warriors in the chat. Do you know who Draymond Green is? If we thought he... Yeah, in a heartbeat. Like, if he punched Jordan Poole, imagine what's going to do with, to DeAndreine. Like, it's not going to be right. Those are the wine sales. Not coming with practice because you got ice outside of your house.

Give me a break. Give me a break That was funny Come on now That was funny All right Let's move on to the main part In today's episode

These new stories suck It's the dead of the off season Like I said to start We're going to put every NBA team's off season Into a tier list So I got this tier list pulled up And let me show you guys the screen We have everybody divided

Based on kind of you know Like how we can measure success For them this off season We have elite The teams that absolutely crushed The off season Made themselves substantially better

you know the winners of the off season that's what we typically call it really good people you know they got better but not not the winners you know decent stayed the same not great and awful awful okay now let's just go in though let's how do you guys want to do what or do you guys want to go in you guys want to let's we get negative first real quick okay who's your first awful pick who had an awful off season you want me tell you I think I think the sure The goddamn Denver Nuggets are the easiest awful to me. Yeah, I don't even need your guys as input. I'm just putting them in awful.

These motherfuckers, these motherfuckers didn't just get worse. You know, sometimes seems to get worse because unfortunate circumstances, you lose somebody in free agency, somebody gets injured, somebody gets old, whatever may be, you lose your title window for things outside of your control. They have made their title window worse, and it was entirely in their control. they chose to be cheap and blame it on the sacred apron and not put in the necessary assets

to keep your core together it's the best team maybe in team history the best chance of a title maybe they've ever had in the history of their franchise surely that these owners will ever have

with their best franchise player of all time and they simply let somebody walk that they had all the money in the world to match there's no way to possibly defend it Denver Denver's offseason

is a reminder that after every single championship, we don't have to do the thing where we're like, all right, like, are they going to be a dynasty? Because it's so, it's so hard to, one, keep the team together and keep, like, players that, you know, operating at their peak. And then also, people just get really stupid and really greedy very quickly. And you get really complacent. And for a lot of front offices, getting one championship, you, that you do that. And obviously, you accomplish the goal, but then you hit that and you're like, all right, well, jobs done. And we don't really have

to, you know, go all out and we can just try to, like, you know, field a really good team. If we get another one, cool. But we got the championship for this era. And the Nuggets are a prime example of that there's no reason why you have Nicole Eokic and Jamal Murray and MPJ and have those guys. And for a second straight off season, have a critical rotation player and just let them walk because you don't want to pay the money. It's okay if you don't want to do it for Bruce Brown, right?

A bench player, you want to bet on young guys coming up, filling that role. replacing a starter for KCP on a contract that wasn't even crazy that's the worst part is that the magic didn't even give him some unreasonable bag it was just a little bit more in Denver was like ah we're broke yeah the biggest advantage of sports is good ownership

and it shows you how difficult it is to do something like the Spurs like the Warriors have done which like elongate a window over five to ten years it's not as easy it seems even though it should be when you have a team like this but sometime ownership does ownership stuff. The only way for this non-move

to happen, their lack of moving actually to happen, is if one, like Russell Westbrook has a stellar year and is able to provide a lot of the stuff Bruce Brown was able to, minus like the mid-range shooting because we know, rest is pretty much a zero on that end.

And a lot relies on Michael Porter Jr.'s shoulder in terms of his ability to continue to progress and not stagnate in that role of people just being okay with whatever he does on a routine night with whether it be like be okay defensively be a great rebounder and hit like timely freeze he needs to be a little bit more he needs to grow on all hours of the game yeah you know i don't think they're cooked like i think they're still going to be in the mix for

the top three or four seeds in the west at worst but it's just you got slightly worse and you didn't have to and slightly is what decides the champion at the end of the day like you're just is a game of inches and matchups and it's very hard to beat the other top teams in the league. So to set yourself back at all for no reason, it's just dumb. Like, it's just straight up dumb. And I know they gave some bullshit justification about the

second apron being the reason. These teams are fucking cheap and they're scared and they're finding reasons to blame it and make itself seem reasonable, but it's just not. You have Nicola Yolkich. You have a potential top 15 in my opinion already. I'm going to go ahead and say higher. But in general, he should be top 15 in general.

Player of all time in your hands. peak of his powers and you decide to let go of one of the most pivotal pieces on your team a valuable asset league wide because of a stupid ass second apron damn shame damn shame i said game of inches another chat's going crazy so much the hashtag inch for inch yeah you gave him too much can we talk about another team that is hiding behind the whole second apron thing sure give us another shitter i think that they had an awful offseason i think the Not to be on brand and to pile on, but the Clippers, I think we had an awful season.

I think to have your window still be whatever it is right now, moving into the new building. And you lost Paul George really because you were being cheap. And you have the richest owner in the NBA. And you talk about, like, ownership being the biggest advantage. You also need a crazy person who is willing to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to fill a payroll. That's what the Warriors did when they got their championship. The Celtics have a crazy payroll right now.

And again, if there's anybody who's going to spend money, it should be Steve Balmer. It should be him. And he cheaped out. He decided that he didn't want to pay the luxury tax, the second apron and all that stuff. And now you have a duo of James Hardin, who has playoff failures for years and years and years. And then Kawhi Leonard, who for the last five years, we haven't been able to see a healthy playoff run from him. So Paul George was the one consistent thing that you had, kind of keeping that trio together, giving you a, you know, like a realistic chance at doing anything in the playoffs. And now he's gone to Philly and they look amazing.

They look, they look awesome because they went out this offseason. They had money. They spent it. The Clippers are now going to be operating in this middle zone of the NBA. And I don't know, I don't, one, I don't think that they have a like top tier ceiling. it's going to be really, really bad for them moving forward because they're just going to be made. Someone said they got depth.

I guess, no matter how you want to slice it, no matter who you replace this money with, no matter how many Derek Jones juniors of the world you get, it's never a good offseason to, like, Paul George, walk for nothing. It's never going to be graded well, no matter how well you try to dig yourself out of the hole you created, you had a three-star system and your last one of the stars

and got zero in return. It's not great. It wasn't even a signage. trade. They could have signed and traded them to the Warriors or to whoever else and elected not to probably for second apron shit and they decided to let him go for nothing. That's an abject failure. There's no reason why lower level teams league wide, when I say lower level, you have nothing to show for. You have nothing to show for whatsoever. You should not be worried about being a second apron team whatsoever. And now, because of what they did, I'm looking at

you, Donovan, aka what the folks say, Norman Powell. now's your time to show you're time to go ahead and put up 19 points a game whenever kawai misses his routine you know 20 30 games a year and james hardin is just doing james hard on things feeding them the ball like i'm fined to see like a damn near all-star type of season for you donovan i'm so proud of you mary and not you're going to be a borderline lower level all-star that's so beautiful borderline fringe low-level all-star don is who on the way it's your fucking time it's your time we're calling on you to save this team dual Paul George never could nobody believes in you

it's time man once again this is how you know we're back so as a don as every NBA player ever facts especially this one can we find a don't of it look like for every single

on every single NBA roster oh god we might be able to Jared Vanderbilt I don't know that's crazy Jared Mandoble, it's crazy. All right, Mo, your turn. Who do you want to go?

Go somewhere that's not negative. Who's somebody we're going to put in the top of the list for having a great offseason? Let's be on top of Donovan's back. Oh, shit. What? The Philadelphia 76ers. Okay.

What did you say? They had a, the Philadelphia 76ers had a terrific offseason. You alluded to them earlier how they went ahead and added a Paul George's is a team right out. after they lost James Harden the year prior and they retained a Kelly Uber. I believe Kyle Lowry is still a part of that or re-signed to that team as well.

Tyrese Max, he's still there, getting better, got rid of Tobias Harris. Getting rid of Tobias Harris makes you so much better immediately. No man, this or busts about it because he doesn't do a damn thing but sit down and take your paycheck and go home. He does the same amount of productivity that me and you do right now for their basketball team.

Nothing whatsoever. So, huge, in my opinion, this is probably one of the best versions of the Philadelphia 76ers comparable to the Jimmy Buller era and I guess the Marco Belenary Nellie era as well The Marco Bellanelli era?

Yes. Yes. What do y'all know about Marco Bellanelli, man? What do you know about 2019? All right, do we want to put them in elite or really good? Because I can think about these two teams

so I think of had a better offseason and I don't know how stingy would want to be with Elite. I think the Sixers should be in Elite. I think for them, like, to coming into the offseason, you had two players on the roster. You had you had Embed and you had Maxie. And then you had to fill out basically everything.

And the way that they, you know, remade the team, made the moves. They legitimately are a championship contender out east. And listen, you don't, I don't, or now you know, I don't trust Paul George and Joel in B. but that doesn't mean that they are a bad basketball team or that they are not capable of getting there and that they don't have the potential of getting there.

They've set themselves up to have a very, very successful season. So shout out to them, and shout out to Darry for doing this job. In your opinion, how could they have gotten better, Isaac? Nothing. So here's the thing. I think they're a really good team, not elite. Like, I don't think they're going to be one of the best teams in the East

at the top tier for what you just said. I don't really, I'm not super moved by Paul George, Joel and B tandem, many reasons to, doubt that. But if we're judging the offseason, we're not judging how good the team is, right? We're not putting this the best teams in the league and elite. If we're judging the off season moves they made, what they did with the opportunities they had, how they found the value with the, you know, salary slats they had, you can't do much better than that even Paul George for nothing. Like, you said Tobias Harris, you added an All-Star, albeit probably a low-level

all-star these days, and did decent death pieces around that, that's got to be elite, right? Not everybody gets an All-Star and Free Agency. exactly yeah exactly i agree when we sit back and look at like joel and beets career and see the names that he's played with ben simmons when he was actually you know an all-star you better get there jimmy butler paul george now james hardin it's kind of nice tyrese maxi he's had a lot of help yes yeah people are right now 53% of the poll has really good instead of elite people in the chat or hating on paul george as usual basically and they're not moved and that's fair you don't got to be moved by them. You don't got to think they'll beat the Celtics, but for judging

their offseason and what they accomplished with the resources they had, how many teams really did better? Not a lot. Front office did exactly what they're supposed to do, bro. They maximize their potential. We convinced them the pole flip. Now it's 52% elite. Look at that. The crayon end it now. End it now. End it now. End it now. Pull done. Pull done. Okay. Who we want to go with next? Okay, Celtics. Just stayed the same, right? Nothing really changed. for them? Can they be elite? They should... No, they stayed the same. They didn't do a damn thing, nor should they.

Yeah, so that should be elite or whatever. I don't care. Well, we have a tab that's stayed the same, so it's specifically made for this circumstance. The Bucs. What do you guys? Do the Bucks? The Bucs didn't make a big splash, right? They didn't trade Chris Middleton, trade dame, anything nuts. Trade Booker Lopez, like

it was rumored. But they had some legitimately really good minimum signings. They got Torian Prince, who was you know, kind of treated like he's Jada McDaniels by Darvinham and made to play 35 minutes a night as a wingstopper. Shouldn't have been doing that. But he's a very good player. Legit 3 and D.

Especially in a bench role like he's going to be in. They got Dillon Wright, who like four years ago was like everyone's favorite role player, who knows what he's going to look like this year. And Gary Trent, for the minimum. That's a legitimately really good use of just straight minimum contracts. Yeah, I think for them it's a decent offseason just because a lot of these guys guys, like you said, are minimum transactions. The core of the team is still good.

And it's also the same thing that we said with the Sixers, where regardless of what you think about the team's potential, the opportunities that they had and the way that they maximized them and what they were able to do with that, I think it was okay. The draft pick was solid in terms of like the future. We all talked about how the Bucks needed to get some more athleticism. They just needed to get younger. They just needed to get faster.

And they drafted the guy who runs fast and jumps high He may not be able to play basketball really well But at least you got that in the building So it's it's decent They They kind of maxed out at decent I also don't know if they could have been any better Than what they do

Yeah well I think you got to view it like what they do with what they had And they didn't have a lot They just had minimums And I think it as far as a capped out team That can only sign people for $2 million a year It's pretty much the best case scenario So I'm kind of thinking really good They made a lot of what they had

a hundred and ten percent agree there's nothing else that they could have done unless like folks really wanted to see them get rid of the Brooke Lopez's of the world or Bobby porters of the world but then you're just like deconstructing their entire identity and they've already bend it so much and I don't know if that's like the right

thing to do necessarily and they sent Pat Bev to the shadow realm which is cool were he playing Israel Israel anyways we'll put them in really good I think yeah yeah next one the Houston Rockets well how do you guys feel about them there was a lot of

rumors they would make a win now trade do something drastic get her Brooke Lopez get whoever veteran you want to say they were linked to they didn't end up doing that they essentially ran it back on the own core but added Reed Shepherd so how do we gauge that reach effort makes them better it's a good pick he does really good player really good player and he's franchise changing in my opinion so this is really just dependent on like how you think of Reed Shepherd franchise saying like a lot of good the things decent sounds like they did a decent they made a good draft pick and number three as they should decent didn't rush anything cool offseason franchise

you're you're that I like reach ever I've really come around because like a lot of the things in franchise changing is a little bit different you think that I yeah what do you mean about franchise changing like he is the guard of the future and he helps a men do a lot of things and he gives him the fresh breath of air that he wasn't allowed to have alongside the Jalen Greens and the Dylan Brooks of the world something because like, you know, Reed is a

I think he's going to be one of the best shooters in the NBA and having that he's a good playmaker around on his side. Alfredson Goon, that's why I'm like, okay, this dude helps elevate you to levels. I agree. That wouldn't be there with everyone else. I said this on, whether it was a pod today after the draft or during the draft stream,

I said that if there's anybody that's uniquely going to be an all-star in the draft class, I think it's going to be Reed Sheppard. I still think that. I still think Reed's going to be an All-Star one day. And, you know, perfect compliment to what they need in their core, a player that doesn't fit the mold of all the other guys they have. You know, they have a super deep core.

And he fits it, right? He brings everything along without taking away from the other guys. At least decent. I would say really good off-season, but not kind of glazed me too much. All they did was draft somebody with the number three pick. You're supposed to do that. So, solid. Exactly.

I like that. New Orleans Pelicans. The trade for Dejante Murray. have not traded CJ, have not traded Brandon Ingram This is so weird I'm kind of thinking not great right now Yeah

I kind of don't as now I don't love the Jaunthe move if they don't trade somebody else If you can't say that they haven't gotten better Which is decent then it's like not great Because it's still funky If they straight up If they do not trade Brandon Ingram Or C.J McCollum or both

I straight up don't like the Jean-Ten-Murie edition. It only makes sense to me if those guys are gone, at least one. If all of them stay and they have this team as currently constructed, fucking yuck, I think they got worse. Yeah, and we know, right?

We know that Yonis had to leave. Oh, and they lost him, yeah, yeah. Yeah, Yonis, he had to go, right? Yeah. But you don't really have a replacement, right? You're going to start to, you're going to start a rookie at center. It's either going to be him or Daniel Tice

Like your center options Are very unproven right now That's not a great spot to be in So yeah I'm gonna say I'm gonna say not great Chat what do you guys think what you guys is feeling Actually right now after they added Dejante Murray just tell me this chat

Does Dejante Murray alone Without any other changes Make the Pelicans better than they were last year One less center one more point guard Everything else the same Are they a better team I don't really think so Maybe marginally.

Like having one less center sucks so much. Let me see. And they were really good last year. Yeah, they were. But a part of the reason why they weren't really good in the playoffs, obviously Zion was out, so there's not much you can do with that aspect. But, like, not having a competent enough center, like mathematically to go toe for toe with Oklahoma, gave them no shot whatsoever, no shot whatsoever against Cheneh.

And that right there should have been, like, one of the main focal points. And I think they should have used assets. like Brandon Ingram or a C.J. McCorm to help, like, solidify that to give Zon to help. Everyone's spam and no. They didn't really get better. Like, it's straight. There's such a strange place, man. They went 49 and 33 last season. Do we think that they can get to 50 wins this year? What the hell is down for the whole year? Can they get to 50? Maybe. Do I feel, do I feel like it's a sure thing, even though they added a really talented player? No. I don't think it's a clear cut that they got a lot better.

Yeah, I think it's going to be so, my prediction is that things will be so clunky when it comes to Dejante Murray, Zion, and Ingram, that's just so nasty because they all, they don't operate in similar ways, but they're very limited three-point shooters. I think you have, I think they're going to go ahead and make a job with them in the first 40 games of this year. I think so, too. I think trade deadline, Ingram is going to be somewhere else. Yeah.

And at that point, they'll look a lot better addition to bust attraction once they do that. And let's say two weeks from now they trade Ingram In a late offseason trade that goes down That we don't expect Then I think their office isn't look a lot better But for now we can only go off what they have done And it's just not great A team that's like similar to them

In terms of just like Okay what are you doing is the Utah Jazz I think news came out today that Larry Markinen Did not choose to sign his extension What do you guys think about the whole situation Where were you put them? Obviously they're ass But more so Larry Marketing

I think they're kind of like the wrong Rockets where they didn't do anything drastic, but they made really good draft additions. They drafted really well. They got Isaiah Callair at the end of the first round. They got Cody Williams at 10. Solid draft. And they're not rushing to do anything crazy with a lot of marketing. They're listening if you want to blow us away.

We'll rob you in broad daylight. If you really want us to, cool. If not, we'll keep him because he's a great player and he fits everybody. We can keep doing our thing. Sounds decent to me. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I would go decent because worst case scenario,

you end up just trading Lowry later like if he doesn't want to sign the extension that's fine I have Danny Aange who is you know top tier fleecer in the NBA he's going to be able to get A competent draft or a competent hall back for for lauri so it's it's okay and like i said i walked away from the draft thinking like hey utahs actually doing something for the future i actually like that said those why is the jazz logo so big i don't know i got this template from this website i didn't upload images myself i don't know why leave us alone but i'm leaving away like the utah jazz i'm leaving the utah jazz the offseason feeling like two like different ways first way i'm just like okay like i want to see this team get worse but the west got a lot better

and this team just like stayed the same so naturally they got worse but at the same time too that white boy coming out of wherever the hell he's come out of maine that white boy out of main Cooper Flag, he's dangerous, and I need him in the mounds of Utah. I need him to fill what this organization needs, which is a star player. They did. I forgot. I forgot the jazz. They got

the homegrown white boy on the roster. They got Philipowski. Yep. Whole can of worms there. Next to you. Dallas Mavericks. Dallas Mavericks. Dallas Mavericks lost Eric Jones, Junior, the added Clay Thompson, you know, changes identity of the team from a really

defensive focus of the three to having a shooter that can stand in the corner and play next to Luca and Kyrie. How do we feel about this? I think it's, I think it's kind of stayed the same for me. Really? I think that I'm lower, I'm lower. I'm lower on, on Clay than a lot of people are. And I understand his, his reputation.

And I understand that he still is a really, really good shooter. But when you have your two offensive guys in Luca and Kyrie and then you surround them with guys who can be really good defenders, I think swapping that out for Clay Thompson, who we all know is going to play big minutes for them. And now you have three guys out of year five in terms of Luca, Kyrie, and Clay that are below average defenders. that it makes me nervous for playoff basketball. I don't think, like, they won 50 games last year. They could probably do that again. Do I think that they're going to be able to go

on a run in the playoffs with three, you know, negative defenders? I'm not sure. It makes me worry. So for that, I'm saying, stayed the same. Yeah, I mean, they got Nanji Marshall, who I think is approximately as good as Derek Jones, Jr., right, can bind into that defensive role

and kind of fill his shoes. But, you know, when you get a Clay Thompson, even though he's at a kind of a diminished point of his career, you're still obligated to play him a certain way and give him big minutes and probably start with the three. And that brings some issues, right? But I do think that their defense wasn't great because of Derek Jones. The defense is great because Jason Kid did a good system, and Derek Lively is really good. I still think Derek Lively and Peter Washington are going to be really good and can probably hide Clay well enough that it's not a big difference to their defense.

And I think there's a world where his offense finds a reducing. Juvenated State next to Luca and Kyrie playing more traditional like late career Ray Allen not being as much ball in the hands just kind of standing there like this for a while and that could be really useful to have that guy in your system. So I'm gonna go really good. It's always very funny whenever you do that. Just stand there away. Just chill. You got you got you. I'll get you paid again. I think really good. So does this wait so you think this lanes I'm really going to set a decent? Yeah, they're not elite, right? They're not going to be one of these top teams. I don't think if they had young Clay Thompson, then it would be elite.

But I think he brings an interesting wrinkle they didn't have before. If it doesn't work out, they can put Najee Marshall and Derek Jones' place, running back the same thing they did before. There was rumors that can trade Daniel Gafford and kind of blow up their front court. They didn't do that. They still had the rotation they had before. Another year of PJ Washington. I have seen no reason to be down on them.

Yeah, I mean, they just got simply better. With this move, with these two moves happening, And all this means to me is that I get to see less of Maxi Cleaver on the core. And I'm a huge fan of that. Do we have some dumb ass spam in the chat right now? People are being brain dead in the chat right now. What do you see? It's just just hilarious spam.

People just like saying a bunch of bullshit. Maybe some people. I don't think any of the moderators are here today because we took some time off. So I think everyone kind of forgot. But we're back. I'll do it myself. Okay. The Mabs are really good.

okay let's do another elite team who do you guys feel as elite let's talk about the oklahoma city thunder let's let's talk let's talk about the team that i think everybody should be looking at forget Vegas but i think that everybody should be looking at the thunder going into the season and saying they should win the NBA championship i agree i think i think the thunder are set up to be amazing and we joke all the time that they were building boston light well they're here and they are they are ready to go and it's going to be an amazing season from okayc the thunder need to be the top of elite tier

let me see if I can order these guys a little bit they had the best off season pretty easily to run back to what you already had with one less Joshua giddy one more Alex Caruso and one more Isaiah Hardinstein just obviously fantastic work you got rid of giddy

and you didn't have to give up anything you got Alex Caruso for Josh Giddy straight up that's absurd no picks every deal in the NBA nowadays has at least one pick at least a second rounder they couldn't even get

500 kthousand for him couldn't get no cash for that no cash considerations you couldn't even get a fax machine a printer no eBT what's going on oh my god no wick

damn chicago was good oh he a matter In fact, nothing much to say there. We know OK, C's elite. Zolid with Chicago, on the other end, they let Demar walk, which we've been asking them to do forever. We've been asking them to, you know, tank be worse than mid,

and they finally let Demar walk. But they traded Caruso for Josh Giddy straight up. And I think there will be a point in the season where Josh Giddy plays well for a few weeks. He averages 18 points and 9 assists, and it's like, whoa, we just need to be at his own team to flourish. Maybe it was smart, blah, blah, blah, blah. That's going to happen.

But nevertheless, we know Josh Giddy's limitations on a team that wants to win. and has a necessary stars to win at a high level, he will not compliment him very well. He has value in some capacity, but it's not great, and you could have got a lot better for Alex Caruso. How do we grade their off season, man?

Dude, it's awful. The only thing that makes me not want to put them in awful is that's a modest Bezellis, and he's our guy. I can speak for all of us on that one. Very cool dude. He is. And I think,

I know Isaac feels highly around him, and I know you do too, Donovan when it comes to him as a prospect of how it first in the NBA. I think he's going to be a great, player now taking modus out of the situation bringing in a dash giddy just not good for anyone's development whatsoever talk about in whatever light it's not good um so i think it might have to be awful i try to talk myself into decent but i could yeah like they're tanking but like are they tanked enough they got to keep zach levine because they couldn't move him it's like oh you're right

damn so they're not going to be one of the four worst teams in the league they're they're like a little bit worse but they're still kind of in middle ground state i don't know No, you did not move Zach Levine, who you were trying to trade all last season. It was a sign and trade for Demar, but you got the absolute lowest value that you could have for Demar de Rosen. Once again, you traded Alex Caruso, who every contender in the league wanted and probably would have given you at least one first round pick. And you got no picks, and you got Josh Giddy who, like you said, actively hurt a championship contender. And bringing in Josh Giddy kind of, it might mess up what Kobe White was. was good last year.

So true. Right. Kobe White was really, really thriving. The ball was in his hands, and now you're bringing Josh Giddy, who is not good off the ball, is going to have to have the ball in his hands to be successful. How does that play out? It's not great. It's bad asset management.

It's bad. It's bad personnel. Are we going awful? I'm going awful. You once again are going into a bull season and saying, what the hell are they doing? Yeah. Another thing that's not relevant. But letting the Andre Drummer walk, again, this is not altering no one's franchise,

but this just backs up what you said, Donovan. They did not maximize any of their asses. They could have got a second round pick for Underdrummer easily, easily. But they're just like, now we're cool. Now he's on the... No, thank you. Exactly. Yeah, I don't really feel like it.

Maybe later. I don't feel like it. Like the SpongeBob. All right. Let's go another interesting team. Actually, let's speed run through some teams that don't give a fuck about. The Wizards. The guy Jonas Valchunis, they drafted Sar.

And they drafted Bubb. I think that, yeah, that's actually really good. I love draft night, feeling, like, good about what the Wizards did. They also traded Denny of Dia, though, and they got Jonas Valentunus. Ooh, the Denny of Dia, I think, was dumb. Let's go decent. Yeah. They made some good moves, but that was weird.

That was really weird. But they definitely have a better trajectory than they had last year, which, to be fair, that we're always going to start off rough right it was the worst it was the first year of a rebuild you're going to like shit the first year so decent they know a lot of these young teams that are just on the path to continue to rebuild they're going to fall into decent let's talk about the blazers real quick okay someone said LMAO wizards had a better off season than the pelicans and clippers

fucking duh obviously duh they're a different expectations they're a complete different place obviously one team should leave way happier than the other moron alert that's a way out doing they're awful we're not ranking the teams on how good they are It's how good their offseason went. Come on, brothers. Fade attention.

Reading comprehension was not y'all bad. Yeah, let's talk about the Blazers because I like what they did. I think that they actually had a really good. I think getting Klingin was awesome. I think getting Denny was also really, really good for them. So I'm cool putting them in really good. Oh, yeah. I agree.

I like, really good. I like Klingin a lot. I like Klingin a lot. It will be a lot better if they went ahead and got rid of Jeremy Grant. But, I mean, it's okay. If they did that, if they got, if they got rid of, listen, they got rid of Grant or if they got rid of Ait and actually got like some decent halls back, I would put them in elite because then you really have like a path for the future. But you got in talent and for a team that's trying to rebuild, that helps. Okay.

Okay. I like that. What do you want to do with the Grizzlies? The Grizzlies essentially ran it back. You talk about them. You talk about it because this is this is going to be your unofficial. team. I already know it because they had your men. Hey, make that shit official. This is my second

favorite team this year. I am all in on the Grizzlies. I told you. They kept Luke Carnard. They found a way to do some captioning out against and kept them for one year. I thought they were going to lose them. So cool. They got rid of what dude's name? The top ten pick from a few years ago.

Zaire Williams. They got rid of Zaire Williams, which was a casualty of the rebuild, right? They didn't have enough roster spots to go around. And they added Zach Edy, who people thought wasn't the greatest fit, right? People wanted to get Klingin. So did I. Klingen would have been perfect, obviously, to make that interior defensive presence with him and Jaron Jackson.

Zach Eadie as a fit with Jaron Jackson Jr. is incredible. We have the talented defensive big that can hide all the weaknesses for the most dominant offensive big process we've seen in the last five years. He's going to be so much better than people think. I think there's a world where we look up and we didn't realize that Zach Eadie was going to translate as much as people, like people kind of underestimated how much he translate immediately and we can look up much into the month into the season and see this team in the one seat by the time the season tournament comes around.

I wouldn't be shocked at all. Damn. It's still in your mouth? Oh my God. Oh my God. How vulgar. That's crazy. Listen, the Grizzlies are going to be as good as all the other top Western teams and then we'll stack what we've seen in years. I think it's elite or really good. I go

really good. Elites a little bit much, but I think really good for sure. They did what they're supposed to. All their moves that they made came from last year. Zach Eadies is obviously is one of the biggest moves and one of the only moves that they could make. So you can say really good. That kind of adds on to what they did last year. So, yeah, cool. I just think they added the perfect piece that's going to really,

they're going to be a really well-rounded team. They can play big with E.D. and Jaron together. They can go small with Jaron at the 5, like he did last year. They had that versatility now to kind of give both looks. They can go Marcus Smart and Jod together. They could go them separate. They just have so much versatility now, especially when we at G. G. Jackson and, um, let's see the,

the wings name Vince Williams last year when they really flourished. Adding Edie makes him so versatile and have so many ways to get his strengths and not be super held back by his weaknesses because they have other options for other lineups. They're going to be incredible. I damn don't want to go elite, but I'm willing to go really good if y'all don't

feel that way. Jayden in the chat says why are you glazing so much like genuinely? Now, I don't think this is glazing necessarily when he comes to Edy. Yeah, it's fucking crazy. But I like him as a player, but how are you describing it? All right. But I will say, the Memphis Grizzlies have one of the most cerebral foreign offices in the entire NBA.

They've been like that since, like, 2019, 2018, really. They've been like that top tier. And I don't ever question any moves that they've made since then. Yeah. It's pretty, what do you guys think? Yes. They're going to be a top three seed. Stamp it.

Guarantee, right? And you feel the way they have to be elite, I think. Guaranteed. All right. We're going to lead then. no no no no no no no no actually actually I see most right though because we're doing this not based off of how good true true team is going to be yeah you're right you're right of that is the fact that Josh coming back as well so yeah I know what they did last year but the grizzlies

are really good be great I agree yeah everybody saying what's behind me y'all y'all don't realize it's behind me let me tilt my camera up a little bit zoom in that's flow brawn I'm gonna go ISO That's Flo Braun. Y'all don't see episode 100? That's the homie now. Episode 100, they weren't around for 2014. What was that, 2013? They weren't around for them days.

Oh, my God. They don't understand these progressive commercials. It's funny, because it's, like, not well lit back there. It's like dark, so it looks creepy as fuck. He's seeing him loom behind me. Do you ever get scared at night if you were just, like, roaming around your apartment? The first couple of days, he scared me several times. I can walk it out of my apartment, and I was like, oh, fuck, what is that?

It got me several, several times. Okay. So the Grizzlies are the top of really good. Oh, bro. Everybody was dying. Your dad looked so fucking young. Everybody was saying your dad looked younger than you. Yes.

Yes. Everybody said it. Really? Yes. Yeah. They were all mind-blown. I thought that was his brother. Wow.

Flat don't crack. That's crazy. I'm praying. That's me. The other side, like you know. Someone said less spiritual apparations. Okay, next team Where are we going to Timberwolves

Staying on the positive route They added Rob Dillingham I think really good Yeah, I don't know Young guys, so it's not necessarily like I don't know, people are, they're saying They're going to let him play right away And really like lean on him to have a role

Like as soon as the season starts Do you guys really feel that's going to work out well For a rookie? I don't like, so he's not going to walk in the league And be Jamal Crawford Like he's not going to be instantly Maybe not. Maybe he will be. I don't know. Yeah. I don't, I don't think so.

I think that that's highly unlikely for a smaller guard to walk in the league and do that. But the Grizzlies had a very clear weakness of having another creator, somebody else who can, you know, go get a bucket and help aunt out. And they addressed it. And you got somebody who's super dynamic to where if it pans out. And at least the thought or the idea of Rob Dillingham is pretty good. And you were a team that made the conference finals and were able to get a top 10 pick. And I think that's that's as good as you can do. The fact that you are wheeling and dealing and now you still have Kat and you still have Rudy Gobert. You still have Jada McDaniels.

You have that plan. You have your off guard, right? Your backup plan for the future now that Mike Connolly is getting older. You set yourself up for both the future and the present with getting Rob Dalingham. I think it's a great move. So I'm going to really good. What do you think, ma'am? Terrence Shannon Jr. I've been on the train.

Him too guy. But he was he might be better than Rob to start. Oh, definitely, because he's older and naturally. He's like 22, 23 or whatever. So he's definitely going to be older and more productive in the minutes will be there because Kyle Anderson's not there anymore. So someone has to eat up that time. But with Rob specifically, I don't know, I don't know how great of my idea it is to let him just run off day one. But if they can like slowly phase in him, for Mike calling, which is the idea we have to all assume, then I think that's like good, okay.

They didn't do anything like real with day one immediate impact players, didn't do anything in agency, lost Monta Morris also, which kind of sucks. But I don't know. Why are they asking, they're asking, did Mo get enough sleep? Were you falling asleep again, Mo? No, I promise I wasn't. Did I miss you falling to sleep again? No, they're trolling.

Was I daydreaming? Absolutely. But sleeping? We're going to really good for the Timber Rules? Yeah. Sure. Okay. Yeah.

We're going with the Charlotte Hornets. They maintained redacted and they drafted Tejohn's Salon at 6. Didn't do a whole lot outside of that. How are we feeling about them? Stayed the same. Until further noticed, I don't know if they've made strides to become a better basketball team. Okay. Pacers, stay the same?

They stayed the exact same, right? Yeah, they'll be popping. I wouldn't have done that, but it is what it is with their identity. I can completely understand that. They just ran it back. Okay. What did you with the Spurs? The Spurs drafted Stefan Castle at 4, traded the pick that was Rob Dillingham for a future

pick to kind of maintain their flexibility and not double down on a draft class they deemed as weak, and they brought in Chris Paul, brought in Harrison Barnes. Decent, right? At least. It's at least decent. I would say really good. And, you know, I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to hate on Harrison Barnes today.

We can actually go, we can actually go really good. Developmental-wise, Chris Paul is going to do so much for Stefan Castle, and also he's going to just do natural things for Wembe when it comes to feeding him lobs and easy entry passes. But I'm thinking about, like, what this will do for Stefan Castle in the Devon of the Sells of the World. And all the other guards, not Tyos Jones, but what's his name? his brother Tyler Jones I don't know

Tray Jones Tray Jones Yeah One of the one of the trays Really good feels a bit much I think Really? They punted the eighth pick

Which is cool It's fine If you don't like Who's in the draft Go ahead I don't think it's like A great value move Right

It's fine It's cool to do that But I think You know Wemby's not getting Any younger I guess the point of that Is to make sure

In his prime You have as much draft Ammo as possible To continue to be versatile while he's moving along in his prime I wouldn't have hated to see them get another elite prospect and make a value pick there. I think that Harrison Bardman

was fine. I think Chris Palmer was fine. Mentorship is going to be cool. It's not the biggest needle mover in the world. Like, I think they could have done more to make you excited and find value. I think they got perfectly fine value. Like, Castle is a perfectly fine pick at number four. It's not extraordinary, right? It's not like

Saar fell to four or something crazy. It's all just decent to me. I don't know if I agree with that Like this is not bad They did solid But like they didn't blow my fucking socks off You know They didn't yeah

They definitely didn't have an off season To blow your socks off But I think We think of that right now Maybe in a couple of years from now When that Timberwell's pick comes into play In 2032 or whenever it happens And they're able to use that flexibility

Seven years from now Yeah seven years from now That's what I'm saying I understand Yeah well great about it seven years from now but as of now i think they did exactly what they're supposed to do and because the cp3's greatness and how he's able to you know mentor young dudes i've seen in the past i think it'll i think this offseason was really good really good you can't be any happier or want more for

your spurs fan in my opinion because if rob delaham simply doesn't fit your system and scheme or anybody else then like just don't take him and they did that so i'm going to really good at the at the worst, you got CP3 who can come in and address the passing need? You're crazy. I need someone to cook that. Please.

Sacramento Kings. They added Demar de Rosen. They re-sign Malik Monk. How are we feeling about the most obvious first on exit in the NBA next year? Decent. Oh my gosh. Wow.

We haven't really talked about the Damar thing at all. How do you think they're like pairing affects the rest of the rest of the of their team do you think it'll make them better worth i think that shit is so so decent it's not bad it's not great that shit is decent as hell the most decent of all-stars is being added to their team that was already decent this team just reeks of decent in all regards it's decent bro it's just not bad you know it's cool it's fine and i think fancy mid there you go yeah if you if you would have

asked me when the trade went down, I probably would have went not great. I've talked myself into being like, no, like, it's, it's an okay thing to have Demar DeRos on your team and have another perimeter scoring option outside of D.R. Fox and allowing Malik, Malik Monk to, you know, like bringing him back, honestly, in a situation where you thought he was going to leave, that is probably the best move that they've had all offseason. I think that's a better move than going out and getting tomorrow at this stage in his career but you go out you get another another bucket getter you're you're gonna be okay the west is an arms race and you have to get something so even if you don't get the top weapon you got something yeah okay uh brooklyn nets they finally committed

tanking they traded donovan they got their picks back they're on the path to being horrendous like we've all hoped and pleaded for them to do that makes a decent a decent offseason because they did the worst things they could I was thinking elite for them. Hey, let's go elite. Wait, wait, why? Anybody could have done what they did. No, no, no, some teams don't.

No. No, those could have did what they did. They decided not to, but some teams don't want to and they don't take the easy path in front of them. I won, it's not easy to get your picks back when you trade them all the way. So that's actually a good move. I forget they did that.

I forget we did that. Just picking an identity and picking to finally be asked and do the necessary steps to get good eventually. That's, that's fantastic. That's the big selling point for me. getting your picks back when everybody knows you're about to be trash

and they and they want to go get somebody else's pick that is best case scenario yeah a hundred percent so yes I'm going to lead when you got these middle of pack teams or refuse a tank not being dumb as fuck is elite

doing the obvious thing is elite we had to beg him to do it not being dumb as fuck as elite I think that I hate a fence sitting GM man that's not giving them a lot of pictures like a participation trophy though to me maybe i'm hained right now but it's just like good job you did what you're supposed to do sometimes when you're a fan of a stupid team you just want them to participate in norms and just be regular sometimes that's all you can

hope for i guess shout to cam thomas he's about to go crazy next year unleashing him be him letting him be the number one tank commander get him to him getting you to cooper flag territories great i guess yeah we're gonna be really good we're gonna go with the Golden State Warriors. Let's get to a popular team. They have been trying to get Larry Markening. The quest is not quite done, but it's not looking great. They lost Clay Thompson.

They added some decent pieces, but they're not going to be a great team by any means. There's no chance that being great. They maybe won't be terrible. I don't know. How do we feel? It's just not great. You go into this offseason knowing that you are kind of towing the line of Steph Curry happy. Does he still want to be here? Do we still have a championship window? And you couldn't

pull off the big moves for the last two years to go get him some more help. Yes, the Anthony Melton. I think that's a really good signing for them. I think Kyle Anderson is also like, it's a, it's a good signing for them. But you're going to. Yes, and buddy healed. Also, Buddy Hill was unplayable in the playoffs. And he's going to end up being a key contributor on your team. I just don't see a way where they are significantly improved from what they were last year, so it's not great. Yeah, let me try to pull for this one. I agree. I put him in Not Great as well.

I don't know if you guys missed it or not, but Draymond Green in his podcast a couple of days ago, actually was like, he said that the Warriors came to him, and I'm assuming stuff too, with a trade offer. I'm assuming it's from the Utah Jazz for Larry Marketing, and the Tray, and the Trayor. trade, according to him, had required the worries to give up so much assets for the next years, years including that, years including the Post Steph and

Draymond Green area. He was like, yeah, don't do that. solely because even though we won't be here, we won't feel the effects of that, don't do that. And knowing that they listened and didn't want to maximize his, like, their potential as a duo together still, I'm just going to go ahead and say not great. I understand

both sides of it, but I'm just going to be like, not great. You didn't do anything. Yeah, like, it's hard because, so Clay Thompson walked for nothing. That was not necessarily outside of their control because I guess they disrespected him in his view and he decided he needed to move on. But after that, listen, you tried to get line mark and didn't work out. You tried. Buddy healed and Melton, I think Kyle Anderson's kind of cooked, but Buddy Hill and Melton isn't the worst you could do in the situation they're in. So I don't want to grade them based on how good I think they'll be because, like, I don't want to have that bias because we know they're going to be made as fuck and that feels weird for the Warriors.

but like do they do a bad job of what they had they got to do something they got they they can't walk into the off season of like all these picks in my opinion they have to do something now is that something out there you got me probably not so we're going not great yeah we're going not great tough man what with the lakers are they also not great because you know the lakers came into this off season okay we'll start over last year the lakers retained all their key pieces. They re-signed Rue Hachimora. They re-signed Austin Rees, re-signed Danza Russell and said, we're going to run it back with continuity.

They had a pretty healthy year. We're actually pretty good. Got to the playoffs and got fucking curbstom by the Nuggets again. Came into this off-season, wanting all the additions in the world. They had their eyes on Yonas, have their eyes on Clay, have their eyes on Jeremy Graham. Their eyes on everybody under the fucking son and got nobody.

They got a new coach, and they got Dalton Connect, Our Lord and Savior. But outside of that, they didn't get anything that they were gutting for. And Lakers fans are pissed, obviously. They're going to be like, awful, awful, you have LeBron, you got to be great. I don't really think there was a patch to them becoming a great team, so I don't want to grade them on that scale. I kind of just think they stayed the same.

What do you think? Yeah, they stayed the same. The only things that make me say, okay, good off-season is like, okay, great, you got Bronny James. You have something that has never had been in an NBA history before. Cool. But also, you took away Mind of the Game podcast. one of the best NBA podcast out there, undisputedly.

And then you went ahead and took away another TV personality and one of the goat NBA YouTubers too and made him your head coach? Fuck you. What the f... As a viewer, what am I supposed to do now? Yeah. So what's hard is their expectation,

staying the same is bad to the most fans because they want LeBron to be on a contender, but it's just not in the cards. So do we go not great because they stay the same or do we go stay the same because they say the same? not great because it's the lakers and it's lebron like he only has maybe didn't he resigned for like another two years as well he has he has a contract control he can opt out and do it basically whatever he wants yeah i'll go i'll go stay the same because they fired

darvin ham who was known for just having his hands in his pockets and then all of a sudden rob polinka did the same thing he didn't do anything so like from from top down they're They're not really moving the needle like crazy. Yeah. And the pick of Connect, that wasn't even something where it's like, hey, we're going to go out, be aggressive, make a move, go to get them. That just fell into their laps. Yeah. They didn't even scout him.

They didn't think he'd be there. It's not anything that I can really, really applaud Polinka for. So I'll say, Staten. Well, they did be obvious. The Lakers get all the attention in the world and all the hyperbole in the world. So you would think that they're going to be out here fielding the bulls next. year by the way people talk about them including their fans but they're not they'll be fine they were like a 47-48 win team last year i can't remember exactly what they had and they're going to be

roughly just as good they're going to be in the playoff mix like most other teams in the west right they're going to be in the mix of everybody else we'll see if things break good or bad health-wise they are who they are do you see random real quick do you see anthony davis potentially winning a defensive player the year award and if he does what would have the leakers well what type of success also have to follow that for the Lakers. Probably not. There have to be a top three defense. I guess I don't necessarily expect that,

so probably not. Damn. Such a travesty AD might not ever win in his career. Tragic. Yeah. Victor Romeroom is in with the next 10, so it's cooked. Someone said losing 20 prints and adding connect

makes them the same, worse, or better. Probably fucking the same. They're going to be exactly the same. And you know, continuity is a thing. Being the same isn't always bad. If you can swing through the fences, do it. If there's no swing to be had, just keep running it back and getting more reps on your belt, I guess.

Okay, cool. Miami Heats. What do to do the Miami Heat? For the Miami Heat, I mean, they didn't do anything either. They lost Caleb Martin. They did? Not great. Yeah, added where.

That was a great thing. He's going to be a steel. But I'm kind of like, super neutral about them i don't know they have they have they have to be not great they have to be not great minimum it's either not great or awful i think i like the wear pick a lot you have seen the heat culture crumble before your eyes this off season the the beef right the subtle beef between pat riley and jimmy butler is very not subtle right like you can you can you can tell that they're not on the same page and this whole thing that that you've built your team off of for the last

four to five years if your number one guy in jimmy butler is not guaranteed to be on this roster it's not guaranteed that that pat riley even wants him there that's going to be an issue we saw them lose kaila martin last year they lost even more depth they weren't they weren't able to go out and get dame and they still lost gave vincent this year once again keel martin all the role players that you had two years ago when you had that insane finals run they're gone and now you have another year of an older Jimmy Butler you have another year like Kevin Love

is still on this team being a massive contributor I am massive I like 12 minutes he's still out here you know well shit with no Caleb Martin he's gonna be a master contributor than even more than he's exactly like it's not great and I think where

where can help them a lot but they have a lot they have more questions than answers at this point they probably stayed the same No, I mean, you lose Martin Yad where it's really the only tangible changes. It's probably about the same. Okay. Can we get the Toronto Raptors up out of here? Do I don't really have any opinions on the Raptors all season.

You tell me. Kelly, Olinick, still there? I don't think they actually lost Gary Trent, Jr., which was interesting. His motherfucker stayed the same. Man, we don't need any more Canadian talk. They stayed the same, but they're the same fucking team. Yeah, so, the same. The same.

The Atlanta Hawks. Atlanta Hawks certainly did not say the same. They traded to Jante Murray. They added Zachary Riesuchet. They added Dyson Daniels. They added a first round pick. How do we feel about the Atlanta Hawks? Decent.

First and foremost, I love the player that Dyson Daniels is, man. I think he is the defender, the point of attack defender, if you will, that we needed alongside trailing this entire time. And if he starts, which I think he should be, I think he's going to be. I think it's going to immediately make us better, and we're going to see Try Young put up disgusting numbers in terms of just like this and points and all this stuff, because obviously there's like a slight talent drop off, but in terms of fit when it comes to what Dyson Daniel brings and what Zachary Richer say brings, I don't know if he's going to start day one or if he comes off the bench, zero clue because we still have DeAndre Hunter there, but Jaylon Johnson is there and he put up like 15, 16 in the game, pretty easy rack up to 20. Clickapel is still there too, so it was like, man, but. I think I'm like I feel I feel decent about them and just be honest

just be honest these motherfuckers were awful what the hell are you talking about awful I'm just kidding you're lying stop I'm just kidding I'm gonna curse you out oh my God you want to subute me man

what the hell are you talking about so much that was such that was such a raw reaction you ruined my mood what the hell you talking about i said no what the hell i was about to get in my bag oh my god well we got canadian in the chat the rap's hate is crazy you guys don't know anything about ball they just said we got

canadian in the chat they're just to stay the same canadians are insane nobody hated on him i was trying to be nice i did i didn't even say anything crazy about the canadians because i was like i've kind of been you know running it up on them it's about to get worse buddy It's about to give one. So I have choice words for Vancouver. Be prepared for some maple slander. How much do they want us to give Jacoby Walter credit? How much does he need?

Like, cool dude, J.R.J. Barrett. That move was made during the midseason. One from us. All right, so where we're going with the Hawks. They trained John's good. We wanted them to do that. Drafting Richie Shea is fine. People were dramatic.

And a mo went viral on draft night for wanting Sarr. I don't have any problem with Riesuchet. I actually like it more as time goes on. Empowering Jalen Johnson is good. Dyson Dyson should be a good fit. Getting a first-on pick is good. Very decent to me. Yeah, decent.

They got an extra first-on pick, one that they didn't have the night prior. So how can you hate it, bro? Zach Risholay, too. I think he surprised a lot of people during some league with his on-ball creation. We already knew, or at least some people knew that he had

like some interesting passing shots, but I think even then in summary he showed even more of those skills. So I feel really good. I feel good. But let's say decent for now. Yeah, okay. Cavs literally stay the same. Like they made it a point to stay the same.

They made it clear that they want to stay the same no matter what is out there. So get me out of here. Yeah, got to go there. Pistons. I don't even know. Not great or stay the same. They didn't help any of their weaknesses. You're right.

They stayed this. No, they did. They did. They did. which is like great. Oh, we're right. They got Tobias Harris. I pretty.

And they got Tim Hardway, Jr. Yeah. I predicted that right there. My bad. That's disgusting. You did. Now, they had a very, very low bar for success because they suck so badly. And so getting Tobias Harris in there, getting Tim Hardaway Jr., that's culture changers, right?

Those are people who now you actually have, now you actually have legitimate NBA shooting, dead average but it's way better than what you have before and you got more talent in the building in Ron Holland also you got Monty Williams about the paint

I forgot about that who's higher again J.B. Biggersat Oh okay well it was not Monty Williams I forgot about that listen J.B. Biggerstaff made the calves

J.G. Biggerset made the calves go from nothing to solid and that's what they need so while it's not the most inspired hire it's not terrible so there's that coaching aside you got a good player in the building and for a team that once again perennially sucks you just need good players in the building they got that in ron holland um i like ron holland as a as a prospect and if they can have if either him or sarah or sart thompson can figure out how to look at the basket whenever they shoot and make shots oh they could be demons Hold on.

Someone said Tim Hardaway has had more playoff success than the Nix in the last 20 years. That's hilarious. That's the same Patrick McCaw has had more playoff success in the Nix for the last 20 years. Who gives a fuck? Hating, bro. I love it, actually. I love it.

Okay, so the Pistons go to decent, I guess. The Orlando Magic. You know, they had two max slots that they could have played with. There's rumors they were pursuing Paul George, but he didn't pick them. I had rumors. They were pursuing Paul George. He talked to him. They decided to sign KCP and essentially retain all their guys and pay everybody so they have the next three, four years knowing they can grow with this group.

I don't think it's elite. KCP is adding, KCP's really good. Could have did it a little bit more? I feel like it's really good. I like it. They maintain their identity. They could have done some wild shit. They could have done some wild shit.

Let me just leave it at that. They could have went after the Mitch. Yeah. I mean, exactly. Yeah. I think they they would have been really imaginative or if people would have picked them and things would have went their way, they could have put themselves

in a situation like the Thunder where you have these young guys and you add the necessary pieces to make yourself be like, holy shit, the magic of the next juggernaut. But they didn't do that. They kept things the same, continued to grow with their group and just got themselves a better at and a good player which is really good, but it's not anything

insane like the Thunder did themselves this year. Yeah, O'C. added two difference makers. Orlando only had one up their sleeve So yeah Can't really be mad at it But they didn't get rid of Marco Fault Or at least he's not resigned just yet

Let me not speak to him Which hell whatever That boy did not shoot threes All right two teams left The Knicks and the Sons Let's do the New York Knicks first Because everyone's just spamming for like 10 minutes To pick the Suns now

Yeah it's so funny You're getting them last motherfuckers You better wait You better make that watch time go up The Knicks Obviously traded everything in the world for mcale bridges elite tell me about it tell me about it you got michael bridges you got a guy who not only completes the infinity stones of friendship but you also get somebody

who can play great defense who fits into into the offense who can who can shoot threes who can who has elevated his offensive game over the last couple of years is he the mcale bridges that we thought was going to be a quote unquote number one option is he that guy anymore no but that's okay and guess what guess why that's okay because now he's going back to his proper role of being probably the third best player on a championship contender you have jalen brunson you have julius randall you got mckell bridges that is all you need now did did losing mr bright skin hurt a lot and i still think about it to this day and i hope that he's fine in oklahoma city i hope the Dave and Busters, gives him all the discounts and tickets that he wants.

Is that ice spice on your shirt? What? Ice spice on your shirt? No, it's a show about the bear. Oh, okay. Let's make it sure. Continue. Yeah.

Before I was really interrupted for some nonsense. The Knicks are going to be up. And this trade solidifies them as like a top team in the East. Everybody's getting an arm's race. You got one of the best players and the most coveted players on the, on the trade market. So shout out to them. It's out. Man, they gave up a lot. They gave up a lot for a great role player. They gave up, like, potentially, that's not the most draft picks anybody's ever given up for McHale Bridges.

All right, that's fine. But while they did that, they were able to resign Ogeon and Ovi because, me specifically, I was freaking out because I remember when this trade happened, I was Isaac got a piece of stuff. And I was like, damn, what is me for Ogen and O'Nobie? Is he gone? Is he gone? Stayed the same. And they convinced. Vince swindled and got Jalen Brunson to pass up on $113 million. Oh my God, that means an idiot. Oh, I forgot about that. That makes an elite.

Massive winning. This puts them at the top of the top, bro. Top of the top. Yeah, I forgot. Jalen Brunson took an unprecedented pay cut. Yeah, I think that pushes it to the top of elite, I think. That makes it for sure. Because that gives them all the flexibility in the world to pay other guys.

This is what happens when you have a culture building. You know what I'm saying? This is what happens when it's basketball and family, when it's trust in the organization. And this is what happens when James Dolan is not around the team for an extended period of time. When you let basketball people do what they do, good basketball happens. This is it. I'm excited. Okay, man, there you go.

The Knicks got themselves an elite. Joined by the Brooklyn Nets. Both sides of that contract, both sides of that deal got themselves an elite. you stuck together for life oh my gosh the last team and that's the end of the stream y'all we got through all 30 NBA teams

we got through everybody ranking everybody's off season and that's it screw Phoenix screw Phoenix I was very tempted I was very tempted just now to actually end the stream

because I'm in a great bit but let's talk about the Phoenix signs we'll just do it you could they did good you could talk about them they got thias jones huge W

they got I believe his name is Ryan Dunn fantastic defensive prospect and I believe that's it that they did

roster wise correct they got Monty Morris and Ty's Jones to get some actual point guards in the building so they're shooting guards

don't have to be the point guards and Ryan Dunn who will probably be like an damn near elite defensive four like maybe plays

a small by five who knows but most they address their progress situation. That's the biggest difference here and got a new coach in the building. Yeah. I still don't like that use of Nurkich is there because you can only go so far with him. He's not the type of player that you have starting on your team if you have true championship aspirations. Just not serious. Those two worlds do not coincide. But other than that, they got better. Yeah. So they needed a point guard very much. I think forcing Devin Booker to be the

point guard kind of took the fact that he had really good secondary playmaking skills and put him in a situation that, in my opinion, kind of negated what made those skills good. They kind of force him to do too much and have to make a strength be a primary use and that's just no longer a strength for him compared to an average point guard. So I'm happy with that. I don't know. I mean, there is a report that they

promised to start Tyos Jones, which makes a little bit strange. Like, is Bradley Bill going to be a starting three or is he going to be a six man? I don't know. Not great. But I really like adding Mike Booneholzer to run this team. Yes. I was about to say that. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. I think Mike Boonholzer

got unfairly fired, or not unfairly, unfairly blamed for their issues, they had to make some kind of change and you couldn't trade one of the big guys in the team, so a new coach is the best you can hope for. But I think that made people think that he was, like, bad when he never was. He was Mike Boonehouser, as always.

So I'm very happy putting a really smart offensive and defensive mind back in charge of this team. I, 110%. You almost forgot that they got him. Stay the same to me. I, but it's okay. But you're going to, get to the playoffs and guess what bud's going to bud like the sons are going to be in the in the same

situation and they were plenty of times throughout that 21 run where the bucks probably shouldn't have got there but yonis was the one like willing them forward and you're looking you're like yo bud like can you can you do something different please and i don't know i don't know what the sons are going to to do they just seem i thought last year that they were like a second round exit way now happen. I never thought that they would get swept. They are not in a good situation, but listen, that doesn't define

their off season this year, so I'll try to be positive, and we can go decent. With the resources that they have, is decent. All right, well, there you go. The sons are very decent. Shout out the sons.

Or they will disappoint. They will be decent. They will be decent. I promise. They'll just be decent. And you should be a lot better than decent when you got Devin Booker and Kevin Durant on your team. It's like Laker syndrome. You should be really good, but you're not. So it makes everybody hate on you. But for this conversation, we're strictly

gauging the offseason quality, not the team quality. Decent as hell. Before we leave, is there any changes that you guys would like to make or second guess at all? No. Let's go to top. The elite teams are elites. I think we made a perfect tier list because I think that that's kind of all that we do.

Well, we see that. Liar. I'm honest. Game's the game, man. Sometimes you don't miss. Sometimes you're currently. And on that note, we'll see you guys next week. We're done with our off-season break.

We're going to be back every single week. Either Monday or Tuesday, we need some flexibility. Don't get mad if I guess push the Tuesday. Sometimes stuff happens. But we're not going to miss a week for quite a while now. So get ready to tune in and munch some crowns every week with us. All right, eaters.