The Deep 3 Podcast - Putting Every NBA Team's Young Core In A Tier List | TD3 Live

Episode Date: March 26, 2025

Ranking the best and worst NBA young cores! #nba Support the stream: https://streamlabs.com/thedeep3pod Today we react to all the latest NBA news! Check out the TD3 merch: https://the-deep-3-shop.fourthwall.com/ Join the TD3 discord!: https://discord.gg/RUkjpMPp7E Listen on Spotify!: https://open.spotify.com/show/3elbbqVumwqz8wlIdknsLW Listen on Apple Podcasts!: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-deep-3-podcast/id1657940794 Follow us on TikTok!: https://www.tiktok.com/@thedeepthree Follow us on Instagram!: https://www.instagram.com/thedeep3podcast/ Isaac's twitter: https://twitter.com/byisaacg Muhamed's twitter: https://twitter.com/Mojo99_ Donnavan's twitter: https://twitter.com/Dsmoot3D Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

You know, it's hard out here. Yo, I got some good news. Tell me about it. Did my iPad get fixed? You got it? No. Because I lost it, too. Yeah, no, I don't get that good of news.

You lost a broken one? Yes. Did you really? I don't know where it is. My room's a mess. My car is a mess. I'd be at my mom's house a lot. I don't know where it's at, genuinely.

Oh, that's embarrassing. Well, I do have good news. And the good news is that we're live. I don't have miracle working news to say I can fix your iPad, but we are here for another T.U3 Live. I know we missed last week. I'm sorry. We had technical difficulties in transparency.

I had to spend time saving a corrupted file from the Cam Johnson interview, and I decided to prioritize the interview over the live because I didn't want to cancel it and potentially lose the file. So it all worked out. We're here. We're back. We're back. 23 Tuesday.

Oh, yeah. Love it. America. America. That's your takeaway? Yeah. Shout everybody that's here nice and early. You know, you guys see by the title. Today, we're in March basketball, obviously.

We're in the time where we're all just kind of just waiting for the playoffs to come around. Not to say we're not watching the games, we're watching, but we're watching with like, I got to watch this shit until we get to the playoffs. Get me there already. March basketball has a lot of face-up going on. So we're going to take a step back today. Big picture conversation. We're going to talk about every single NBA team.

team's young core. Please, please. And we are going to talk about the real young cores, not the young cores, again, that you are seeing in March where young players are just playing the games. That's not what we're talking about. Dude, I turned on the Pelicans Sixers game. Oh, my God. It was horrible.

That, first of all, I saw a tweet with somebody said, like, best of seven, who wins? And it was like two errors of a Pelicans thinking. It was like this, it was this year's, and then I think right after the AD trade that roster. And somebody in the comments was like, they could renovate every seat during the games. Nobody would be. I honestly, I thought that I felt like pretty bad for Philly fans just because of like how the Paul George thing has gone down, how the Embed stuff has happened. Maxi is like, you know, his sunshine is gone. Jeremy McCain was the only one who was giving them op.

he got hurt. I truly think that Pelican's fans might be the most down bad fans in the really. They're definitely dealing with one of the worst products. Wow. And chat, can you guys tell us how our audio sounds? You know, it's always hard with this remote set up on the streams to get the audio levels perfectly right because I can't edit it in post. So let me know if my audio is too loud or vice versa. Don't troll me. Let me know. I actually need to know. I know you guys are going to spam all kinds of bullshit. Adults in the chat, let me know who I actually sound. Yeah. Just saying it's all good. It's all good. It's all good. all good, we're good. There we go, look at that. See, people saying it's all good

before the trolls came in. Appreciate y'all. But yeah, man. There's a couple teams, though, here that have some young cores that are getting a lot of good PR as of late. We'll talk about whether or not that's all March basketball and faked, not canon, etc. We'll talk about all the ones, the young cores that we know in love is being stacked, some

of the disasters in the league, all that. But before we get there, you guys know how it goes. We've got to talk about some news stories. And let's start by showing some love to one of your guys's favorite players. Russell Westbrook is now number 20 on the all-time scoring list Congrats, Brody, per the Hoop Central. Shut up.

Hey, man. No, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no. Oh, yeah, exactly. You need to say more than a shout-out. You need to say more than a shout-up. What fuck you want me to say? Good job, Russell Westbrook.

I don't know. Good job is not good enough, bro. What? Top 20 all-time in scoring is a ridiculous stat, and that's a testament to, A, his longevity. Correct. B, how important, how potent of the score he was at his peak, at its prime. We're talking about dropping 30, dropping 28, 20s, on a consistent basis.

30 point triple double bro. Wow, getting those buckets off. It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. You love to see it. This is a man who has been beaten and battered by NBA media, by NBA Twitter. Everybody has wanted to see him fail for the better part of three years. And the only time that people have wanted to see him succeed in LA was only to benefit their King LeBron James. doesn't even to benefit Russell Westbrook. He has been, he has been doubted, he has been talked badly about, and I'm glad that he has this milestone because he deserves it.

There you go. Shout out to a horse of Yolkitch for tipping $5. He said, since you guys have now interviewed a few NBA players, are there any NBA players you guys would think would be awkward to interview for any reason? Jonathan Isaac. Shout out to Joaquin 37 for tip of $1.1.1.

Joaquin said, Isaac is the best friend to have on your side or a complete jerk, no in between. Best friend to have on your side or a jackass known between. You got to catch you on the right day. Any other players you never want to interview? Man, Carl Malone. Keep that guy away from me, brother. Kyle Kuzma, I don't know.

Gordon Hayward. What's our Gordon Hayward? Is he also like that? No, he's not like that at all. People just say, people just say that he's, you know, like that. Because everybody in the bubble was wearing Black Lives Matter, and then he was like, no, I'm going to be different. I'm not wearing it.

Yeah, okay. It's up to do you. So, okay, now everyone's spamming all the worst players in the NBA in terms of people. I'm seeing a lot of Mr. NB in the chat. Yeah, yeah, you guys understand. No more needs for the list off names. Next news story, someone that's actually. quite important that i don't know if you guys have really thought much about it but i think it's

pretty big top 20 is very important let's not diminish that's not what i meant i meant this conversation about players we hate but it's okay it's okay but continue that's not what i meant i don't need to tell you all the people in the NBA there are pieces of shit that i never want to talk to that before it's not important what is important is the boston celtics have been sold to the highest bidder bill chisholm managing partner of symphony technology group has agreed to purchase the boston celtics from the grousepec family for evaluation of $6.1 billion. It is a largest sale for sports franchise in North American history.

This is pretty big. You know, a lot of the talk about expansion over the past few years has been like a big, big, big topic in NBA media. It seems like it's a foregone conclusion that at some point in the coming five to 10 years we're going to see it. A lot of people are of the opinion

that the reason we haven't seen we're in motion in that and it hasn't been confirmed is because they're waiting for this evaluation because now when they expand this and two new owners that they come in and buy these expansion teams, the market has now been set 6.1 billion is a gigantic number by far the biggest NBA history

do you all have any thoughts around this it's just it's crazy because one like like the the Celtics are obviously like one of the premier franchises and so it's kind of it's like it's interesting that based on what the Celtics are going to go for this is what we're going to sell like set everything else at when it's like this is one of the three best franchises that you can have Like if you pop up a brand new team, obviously if it's in Seattle, you have basketball routes there. So like maybe, you know, like the person who goes into Seattle, like I can see that one being super expensive because you're going into a market that has been deprived of a team and has been like, we want our basketball. And so you're like restoring that feeling to the team. Depending on where the other city is, the other expansion team is, that's going to be really interesting.

And there's also been talk, obviously, about LeBron James getting one of the expansion teams. LeBron. And so I guess like this is just a moment where all of us can be like, okay, LeBron, like, we obviously know your salaries and know, you know, kind of the level of money that you're at. But are you going to be able to get in here and get one of these expansion teams? He'd be part of the ownership group. It was never on the table that he bought it. I, obviously, I pray and I hope that you really didn't think that I was like, yeah, LeBron's going to go into his bank account, withdraws $6 billion.

You say we see his salaries. That she doesn't matter. And buy, and buy this Vegas expansion team. Obviously, LeBron is not going to, you think LeBron's putting the Vegas team on credit? Like, no. Oh, Clara. Not going to have to pay the team. I mean, no, I mean, they do kind of put it in.

on credit but now they're here they're there the interesting part is the Celtics also don't own their stadium so if you're going to say why would I pay expansion team more than the Boston Celtics that'd be part of it you know the Celtics pay rent so that's 6.1 billion for a team that pays rent is crazy like this so this is a fucking bat shit valuation this is a crazy amount for what we've seen from other teams like it's insane so they're putting a lot of clearly stock into probably the Celtics name and also just how valuable is to get into the NBA at this time when global expansion is like on the horizon it was announced today they're also doing this like European league expansion thing so a lot of money coming in a lot of discourse around this has

been how is this going to affect the Celtics and the team they have right now because some people were trying to parallels to the Warriors GM wanted to leave because he didn't want to have to be the one to break it up maybe people were saying Wick decided to sell the team now because he got the ring can go out on top let the next guy deal with the fact that it's the most expensive team in sports history yeah and on the basketball side I think I'm looking at this roster and I'm just like well who's on the topping block can immediately I see someone like damn drew holiday you want you're able to win them one ring cool beans you are appreciative you are appreciated for being able to get this team or help get this

team over the hump but he immediately has to go I have to I see this team and I see them potentially losing someone like Chris ausers against also because he's barely there anyways and they've they've been able to have a pretty good success rate without him so I see those immediate basketball changes happening probably maybe not maybe not maybe not this off season, but next offseason, like, 110%. Because I can't, you can't look at that tax bill and be super comfortable with paying that, bro, and not being able to want it to give me to every single single year. That's the very least, even if it's not one of those guys right away, eventually we'll get there.

Sam Hauser, you're gone this summer. I guarantee it. He makes $8 million a year. It's like times four with the luxury tax bill. So he's making like $70 million a year. To fake $8 million. Yeah. Yeah, like people like that.

That's what typically I think is what's going to happen for sure. You're going to lose guys around the edges. And, you know, a lot of people are saying, Listen, Jalen Brown makes a fuck ton of money. Like, that's something that you're looking at the horizon in a couple of years. I like, maybe that'll be the one that has to go eventually. That's what a lot of people are saying. It's all speculation.

We really will see what the appetite is to maintain this level of team. I think there's a little bit of, it's a little dramatic to assume they're for sure going to succumb to that because they know what they know what they're buying into. And it's not like this team is going to be at its peak forever. You know, even a team as young as them, you only have so long of a shelf life of being contender. So if they have to deal with this for three years before the team, breaches this natural conclusion and the guys get washed, I don't think it's a foregone conclusion as they're not willing to deal with it.

Based on history, I would assume that they were. Because every new owner comes in and in the first like year or two years just does, just does something big just to be like, yeah, I'm the owner now, you know? For sure. So I wouldn't, I wouldn't be surprised

if like a major change would happen. And again, like it wouldn't be something as stupid as, oh yeah, we're going to trade Jason Tatum. right like they're not they're not going to come in and do that but they have like the seltic superpower last year and even this year is that their strength is when you have those five guys out on on the floor you are kind of unbeatable but that's like that's super super expensive to do so i can see like most i can see drew holiday being on the way out because it's easy and again i'm not trying to not trying to feel bad for for billionaires here but it's easier for it's easier for

For us to be like, yeah, it's easy for us to be like, oh, yeah, just go ahead and, you know, spend that luxury tax money when you might not, you might, you're not the one pressing authorized on the payment to, you know, to pay $240 million extra dollars. So I 100% can see like somebody else coming in and sending one of those guys out. Shout out to Poobee for tipping $10. Your comment is fucking ridiculous. I'm not going to say it out loud, but thank you for the $10. I got to go check. I got to go check. I don't know if you can see it.

on your end because you don't have streamlines pulled up but it's bad shit you see but you're not gonna go see it but yeah appreciate you for $10

but yeah so obviously every new owner wants to leave their mark we'll see what that mark is for Celtics fans you know it's lots of discourse around like

this guy is linked to private equity which these type of companies are known to come in and like squeeze assets and make it profitable and get out flip of profit

so that doesn't excite people it's a common thing where fans don't want to see private equity firms involved in their team so potentially to have somebody adjacent to that life dealing with the Boston Celtics the best run organization in the NBA

historically forever since the league's inception it's a bit worrisome but we'll see maybe it's overreaction maybe the guys will be fine who knows yeah whatever happens they deserve it hopefully the best is probably going to happen as it always is to them facts probably just another great owners and have them excellent for another long time

exactly cut one player Jason Tatum Devin Booker Anthony Edwards Donovan Mitchell who's going Devin Booker I'm sorry goodbye Woo you said that fast dude I think yeah I think like right now Tatum in that four Tatum's untouchable right

Like he's exactly right Tatum you can have no conversations about I would say Anthony Edwards is untouchable I agree I would agree with that as well So now we're looking at Devin Booker and if the room is really silent And they're also looking at Donovan Mitchell

Who's not having the greatest year within himself as well. If you're going to compare these two stats side by side, I mean, like, there could be a very good argument for someone like Devin Book. Book has been worse, but he's also in just Godforsaken position. Like, he's not in a good team construction, so I don't know how much to hold that against him.

Intangibles in play. This man, Moe hit his almighty lag. Do you hear that, Donovan? True, true. I'm just saying true. I'm trying to set him up for a soft landing. That's it. The chance frozen.

I don't know. Yeah, I don't know what he said, but I want to make sure that his return is kind of great. You know what I'm saying? That's being a good teammate. That's being a good team. Listen, if you fall, we'll catch you. I'll also.

We'll pick you back up. Oh, I'm not back yet. If you, if you fall, stay on the ground, your brother's going to come pick you me. You're back in pieces. Oh, no, you hear me. You're back every now and then. We really don't hear you, but we hear you every now and then.

Some of those cameras, six pixels. Yeah. What's going on? I think Donovan, we're going to cut Devin Booker. Just currently, you know, his reputation is the lowest. If you trade him this summer He goes to the Rockins or to some other team That has put him in a better position

Than this Godforsaken Sun's team I can see him rebounding and being better than DeMichigan But it's only fair to cut him Okay I'm not mad at that at all It's a conversation It has to be a lengthy one though It is

And speaking of we have another one of these Shout out at Hoop Central for all this engagement bait Rank these players one through four Offensively at their peak Just offensively James Hardin Steph Curry, Kyrie Irving Kevin Durant.

Okay. Obviously, Steph has to be number one. Now this is, I think the book ends are easiest part of this. Steph is won Kyrie's four. The fact that Kyrie's here is engaging in bait. Shout out. Wonderfully skilled player. He's number four by a wide margin.

The real conversation is between Hardin and KD. And a lot of people are so quick. I'm going, Kevin Durant. I'm going Kevin. I'm going, it's me. I think you might be wrong. I think you might be wrong. I don't.

He's averaging 40. James Hardin has had the single most impressive, offensive regular season that we've seen over the last like 15 years. I don't understand how you can say Hardin and not bad an eye. It's hard. I mean, obviously the volume in which Hardin dealt with

is unforeseen in the modern NBA, so I also have an urge to want to say him. But Kevin Durant's versatility, his MVP season, he was like 8% higher than league average from true. shooting. It was one of the most gifted seasons of all time for that era. It's ridiculous how fission he was. Playoffs is night and day. James Hardin's playoff scoring numbers aren't what they are in the regular season from efficiency perspective. Consistently drops a little bit. He was going

against, he always went against like the absolute best competition out of everybody. Oh, boo-hoo. I don't care. He played two-old. Stop it. Stop it. Kevin, Kevin Durant at his, at his peak is, and I understand what people were doing, right? And that's because that man was out here cheating. But Kevin Dorett at his peak is unguarded. Yeah. In a way, in a way that, like, if he's on, if he's on, there's absolutely nothing, nothing that you can do.

And yes, but James Hardin is also unguardable in the same light where if he's on, there's done that you can do. But also, he can other turn, he can also turn other people on all, on all ends of the court. He's a lot better offball, too. Another little bit dangerous. Now, the offball shit, yes, 100% agree. but I think I value James Harden ability to connect everyone all the other four guys in the court

than some like Katie's ability to just be he does connect he does connect people that's why that's why in game seven when James Hardin started choking and he was missing threes the other four guys on the floor choking again too well also they were just they were just so connected they were like I'm a follow my leader and everybody just started missing threes I'm taking my my admiration for James Harden is like rising as time goes on, because as time goes on, also I'm realizing, like, yo, his team is fucking disgusting. Oh, dude, TikTok, the internet is appreciating Prime James Hardin so much more now. I posted, I forgot what the video was, oh, we did that MVP keep for a cut for and we cut

2018 Hardin. There was one spot left, right? It was the right decision. Shack came after. People are pissed. Like, respect Hardin. Like, the post career, like, rewriting of their history and, like, loving them more than you did in the moment because they were overhated. It's already happened for Hardin. He's still in the league. Like, his prime is getting adored way more now, which I don't think is a bad thing, but that turnaround is already here.

It's, yeah. It's going to happen. I think... Which I love personally as a Hardin. I'm going to say is put Hardin, put Katie in all those Hardin teams, and none of those teams are nearly as successful. You know how you know the casual fan of Lovin Hardin now?

In that video, the comments were spamming. He's averaging 40. that was the wrong season. People just assume his MVP year was the year where he averaged 36 because that's so iconic. That wasn't even his MVP season. It wasn't even relevant.

That's hilarious. I love to see it, though. Yeah, shout out. Let's get to the main topic of this conversation today. You're going to piss me out, you're going to piss me out. You're going to piss me out.

I was there. No, but that's what I'm saying. It's like, and you know what? I'm not going to hate today. I'm not going to hate today. Yeah, settle down. Continue to later. All right, listen.

I'll listen. Let's not do that. Let's not do that. Just poke the bear. He said, I'm pussy. I'm pussy. Let's get to the main topic of conversation. We have a lot of teams to talk about today.

And we're going to talk about all of their young cores. We have this tier list, S through F, the same way we always do. We're going to gauge how good this team's young core is. A mix of how good they are right now, but mostly, I think, trajectory going into next season, right? Like, their long-term value building around these guys. correct correct yeah I would agree but if there's some that are like helping you win now we'll consider that but it's really a long-term view type of list

and these teams will set up in alphabetical order we'll just go an alphabetical order this is a good benchmark let's start with the Atlanta Hawks Mo how are you feeling about this team's Junkor right now Young Corps is 25 and under or we'll say under 25 so you gotta be 24 is on Yika Kongu 24 still no he I think he's 23 24 so he's 24 okay so he counts so you have on Yika you have Dyson

you have Reese Shea as the main guys. And that guy, Jalen Johnson, don't forget him. He's the main guy. This is a good young core, lo-key. Rishishie's been playing well. This is a good young court. Yeah, Richie Shea has surpassed expectations officially, I think, and a lot of people are being awakened into his consistent skill and ability to shoot the ball.

People are looking at his athleticism now, and I think they're like, oh, he's a tad bit better athlete than people are giving credit for. Dyson Daniels is in defensive player of your conversations. Will he win it? I don't care. That's not the conversation. He is one of the best young players in the league, especially on the defensive end. Anya, he's been coming into his own.

Now that he's been granted fully the keys. And then Jalen Johnson could have made it to first all-star team this year. So to me, that sounds like a young core. I don't want to say S yet because we don't necessarily have a superstar, but the quality in each and every player is deep. And I think that grants him an A. It's either A or B. I would go.

be just because even as good as I think that Jalen Johnson is, I think that, one, for years, Mo's had very contentious things to say about Ineca. And so, like, I'm sure, like, we're, I'm sure, like, we're going to start next season and the whole roster is going to be, you know, back together and you're going to have this whole, you know, new lease on life. And it's like, oh, yeah, Eneca, like, keep doing what you were doing at the end of last year. And most going to be like, oh, my God, get this guy off my team. He's so disappointing.

that at up so i'm not i'm taking his his performance with the grain of salt i think that dyson is obviously a very very valuable role player uh risha shay is is also good i i think that s and a are reserved for people who have guys who can legitimately become like all like all mbae consistently guys i think maybe maybe there might be i think what grants at me is the death in With Julian Johnson can get there, but that is. Yeah. To me, I think what can, like, lift us into A is the depth of all this young talent that we have

that are, like, great players. I don't know if I'd say it's super deep. I mean, four is good. It's not light, but it's not like you're naming seven players. Like, if you want to get into, like, Kobe Buffkin and stuff like that, that you have a little bit of faith to become something, but I think it's four deep. That's a decent amount of depth.

It's not anything crazy. That's a proper amount for a young core. I'll go three and a. Is she and Mo Gay, bro. Let's talk about it for real. Is V. Creachie still under 25? I think maybe 25 or 24. He looks old.

I don't even know how old he actually is. He might be a little bit over. Let me see. But no, chat has 62% of the chat put B. I agree. We'll go there. Quintessential B. You know, they have really good players

and the depth of good players is good. Shout out V. Creachie, I guess. Whatever. Yeah. It's a big amount of good players. Four is not a small amount. But there's no, like, future superstar. So if we get a big year to leap from Risha Shea,

that maybe that's changed things, but I'm very okay with B. They have a supporting cast of a young core, which is that's exactly what a B tier is, I think. Super valuable. It could be moved to Ava. Could be moved to Ava, we'll see. Honestly, it's a much better young core

than we gave him credit for to start the season since, you know, none of us saw this Dice and Daniels thing coming. So, and O'Nekeka, we had a long conversation before the season started about Onyaka and how disappointed we were after last year. And I think the verbiage I used, because I think it was my team in that episode, is I'm not out on Onyaka,

but I needed to be proven to me now. I'm no longer quite as excited. And I think it's been a promising year, right? Yeah, it's been much better. The second half of the year has been much better because, I mean, clearly, you give anybody opportunity. He's allowed to thrive and have offense not run through him necessarily, but he's actually being used as an actual gadget in tool with his slight passing ability,

his ability to stretch up the floor. Even though it isn't like where you want it to be at, the ability's still there compared to what our past starting center, clickapela was doing for us and i think the thing that's been surprising me the most and the more fulfilling is the rebounding because i always thought that was a super weak spot for him and he's just been holding things down all around and it's the trade deadline has a lot to do with why we've been better over the last like 10 games or so but i yaku kong was a surgence to being just super steady and consistent and just say like a very not average big

but above average big in terms of a few nitty nitpicky things has meant a lot to us Yeah, some of his weaknesses came back towards average. It's not really, really bad. Like, he's not playing so small anymore. And he's shooting well for three as of late, which makes a big difference. If you're going to be undersized, it helps to do better at the size stuff, but also shooting 39% of 3 since the deadline helps a lot. Yeah, exactly. Okay.

Next one, the Boston Celtics. Who, did they even have a young core? Who's under 25 right now? Let me look at this. This is F probably, bro. I can't think of anybody. Okay. There's Payne Pritcher, he's like 24, 26 or something like.

you guys think about it. Shout out to I of Alacado for tipping $12. He said was watching some old TD3 clips. Isaac, why did you let Moe and Donovan talk him into putting Westbrook's MVP in the same S-tier as Curry's, Yonis, and Yokic, blasphemy. Oh, we got out of voted. Top of it for another day. I guess we'll get into that. Yeah. Okay. Here are the four guys in the Boston Celtics that are under 25. You have Baylor Shireman, Miles Norris, J.D. Davidson, and Jordan Walsh. F tier. It's just about I mean, they don't have a young core. That's not really the indictment of anything.

To be fair. Exactly. They're all under prime. They're all under prime and they're doing what they're supposed to do right now. Charlotte Hornets. A lot of teams are going to be F. Charlotte Hornets. This is a difficult one.

I'm glad we got to this early. They obviously have Lamello Ball, who's still 24 years old. They have Brandon Miller who will be good eventually. He missed most this year, kind of erupt of his development, but we think he'll be good. They have Mark Williams, who I like. I guess people have shown me that he's worse offensive than I thought. So that's his reputation has flipped So maybe I was wrong about that

Because the team's defense sucks And he's been there And then you know They drafted he's on Salon Who is not good right now He is the youngest player in the draft So I guess it's to be expected But right now he's absolutely terrible

This young court is kind of ass right now But we do still believe In some of his guys long term How do you weigh that? I see this team And I see that half the team Is actually the young core And they suck

They're one of the worst teams in the league and it's because you are seeing the product of the young core almost every single night I obviously obviously like you have you have injuries and stuff but I'm not I'm not super super high on this young core I would go D um for them just because they actually do have a young core well D's a bit much come on they have Lamella ball still they have Brandon Miller still D's a bit dramatic we spent a whole bunch of time talking about like we don't know if Lamella ball in this current situation is actually a guy for sure yeah yeah but i mean like lead you to be like a competent team being one a being one of like the four five seven best players in NBA is a tough task but i have so much confidence that he'll

be one of the 20 best players in the NBA still once he figures out once he has more competency and when is that when is that okay 25 25 oh my god when is that as soon as it get players who can shoot consistently and play defense around him. At the end of next year, at the end of next year, do you think he would be a top 25 player? I will reiterate what I said once again. I don't think it's crazy if you do the right thing around him, then it will happen, yes.

That's possible. Chat is voting by a large part C in the poll. I think I agree. I think, you know, we would have said the A before the season started, I think. We would have been very high because we all like the mellow. We all, I mean, you guys like Brandon Miller more than me, but I understand the appeal long term, right? If things go right in his development path, he will be really good.

and will fit next to La Mello well. Outside of that, even those two guys aren't a sure thing to be an A anymore. Outside of that, it gets real dicey, especially if you blew the salon pick, which I guess it's too early to say blew it. We'll give them credit, give them time, but I feel better if they have Boozellus.

100%. 100%. I'm okay with C. Are you cool with that, Mo? This man's frozen. We don't care if he's cool with it. He's not here. Irrelevant.

The chat said, mostly see that's cool with me uh well we let mo fucking recuperate what do you want to do with the dallas mavericks max christie chat where do we put the dallas margaretz come on come on course come on come on go ahead oh he's gone mo's gone oh my legs are out oh no i'm adieu look at this chat i mean replace him real quick with the right thing look at this and here it is where is that. Bam! There we go. Bam! We got Moe back in the building, as he always should be.

Someone said Z for the Dallas Mavericks. Yeah. Yeah. Let's go ahead and do that. Okay, so they have under 24 or 24 and under, Kai Jones, Kessler Edwards, Olivia Maxens Prosper, Jada Hardy, Max Christi, and Derek Laivie the 2nd. That's better. Oh, they're Derek LaVey, so they're D. That's better than what the Celtics have. yeah that sounds like they have some role players know they have some guys that might be something that aren't a sure thing by any means but they have some players so d tier is fine i think when we

look at the people around this tier i'm okay with that okay so what do you want to do with the bulls the bulls are a very interesting situation um because okay so here's they have. They look, you have a lot, but they have Jimmy Young, Emmanuel, Miller, E.J. Ladell, T.H.T. Patrick Williams, Dallentary, Josh Giddy, Julian Phillips, and Buzellis. It's really centered around Buzellis and Giddy at this point. And Kobe White? Is he, no, he's not, uh, Kobe White is 25. Oh. I feel like we should include

25-year-olds then, because I feel like Kobe White is pretty integral to this conversation to ignore him. Listen, the rules are the rules. It's some parameters that we said. Okay, okay, you're right, you're right, you're right. I mean, I said, okay, fair enough. Kobe White doesn't count. Fuck you, Kobe Wyatt.

You're not a young man anymore. You're not. Girl man. So, Guzzellis and Josh Giddy. I like Ruzellis a lot. Giddy, I mean, I respect his ability to get points rebounds and assists on a bad team. Never had a doubt that he would develop into somebody that could do that. You know how I feel and how the rest of the NBA world that watches games feels about Giddy, like long-term value-wise.

Hard to imagine he is. somebody that's going to be like the lead guard and a contender, and he's never going to be good enough at the ancillary skills to be like a really good off ball player, I think. He needs a ball in his hand. So shout out him. He's perfect for what the bull is in you right now. Absolutely perfect.

I don't view him in high regard still. I like Buzzaas a lot, though. I would feel kind of crazy to put those two next to La Mello Ball or higher than La Mello ball. I'm going to tell you right now. Oh, God. I don't think it's crazy. I'm really, really.

high on i think in five years it wouldn't be crazy if you look at the bull's young core and you look at the hornet young core and you look at how many people how many of those guys are still there it might be the same amount it might like you might you might be there um in terms of guys who have some type of staying power with their current team and i think that buzellis even if like the shooting never fully fully comes around he is productive at so many other things and he can fit into a rotation with all of his other skills that I do think that he can be an actual like good good NBA player. I think that the ceiling from him is probably equivalent to the ceiling of, you know, everybody not named Lamello Ball.

I was going to say Lamello. I'm okay. Do you want to go C's what you're saying? Yes. Okay. Chat is at 38% B, 42% C. So this was the first one that was a close call. every other one chat had a very clear decisive pick that's fine I'll be the tiebreaker I mean I'll agree with both to you

we'll go see C is fair the depth isn't there but I'm Maham Guzzellas too I'm cool with that cool Miami Heat what are you going to do with them

I think Hamia Hakez is probably 25 by now they have Keloware they have Has to be 25 Nikolovich Kello where Nikoliovich

are the main standout here the last two picks uh i like those players well enough i guess but it's pretty pretty light in yon kore okay so he's 24 he's cool still i'm not like massively moved in terms of like moving into another tier because we have hame there i think like you know he could he could be he could be a role player and then depending on the season you're going to see what you get from him they've got nothing from this year it hasn't been a good fit for him this year exactly So the biggest thing is like How high are you on Yovich and really

How high are you on KeloWare? Yeah, someone said he's Amex Express Wembe I mean if you think he's died at Wembe Then that's pretty high I won't throw that lot of the expectations on him But I think he's going to be a good center I think we saw those flashes for that week

In which people thought he's going to win Ricky in the year Where I was like, oh shit He's the modern full package, yo I don't feel quite as insanely high anymore After it slowed down But I like him a lot lot. I don't know if it does anything more than D for me. That's fine. I think that, I think as an organization, we can put the Miami Heat in D tier right now.

That's just where they belong? Yeah. Okay. They don't, they don't really know. Yeah, like their plan and their, their direction doesn't seem fully fleshed out. I don't know if they know 100% of what they're doing right now, especially coming off of the Jimmy trade. So I'm going D on everything that they do. Okay. I like a moat just like died and we just kept moving. yeah guys he's not coming back by the way yeah yeah the rat's got him he's fucking they slid his throat it's done

but okay let's do an interesting one again Toronto Raptors is RJ Bear is 24 I think he is yeah that draft he's 5% 24 so we got RJ Bear we got Scotty Barnes we got Grady Dick and Manuel quickly

and a lot of other rookies that they drafted this year like Mogbo and all those other guys they have a ton of young rookies from this class that might be interesting pieces but really it's about Scottie Barnes, RJ Barrett Quickly Dick is like the main group So quickly

Quickly is 25 Barrett is 24 Quicky 25 Okay so fuck quickly He doesn't count But Agbaji's on there Who I forgot about Chat spamming up B

They have Scottie Barnes Who I think is proven this year He's not like a one option But he is gonna be a fantastic tertiary star I think still Put him next to the right guy That might be a little bit better Than him as a score

I think he'll thrive As a Scotty Pippin Light That sounds like Jalen Johnson They have a lot of other guys that sounds like the same arguing for the Hawks with their death. I feel like V's probably in play here. I think you kind of have to go higher. I mean, you have a guy who's, yeah, like, you have a guy.

It's actually, like, proven that Scotty Barnes can be. Yeah, but two through four is better for the Hawks. I understand, but that, like, that top, having Scottie Barnes there and having him already shown, like, this promise. And, like, you know, the Raptors are in contention for the number one overall pick. And so, obviously, the Hawks aren't great either. But if you put Scotty with somebody else like a Trey Young who can operate, you know, the offense and to where he's not creating, like, he's been out of position for the last year and a half, two years, I actually think that this young core, you have something to build around. Name me who you want to build around besides Scotty Barnes.

They have a lot of decent, but less than that. I think that in this, I think, I think when it comes to, like, to young cores, I understand that, like, depth of the young core also matters. Personally, I feel, I feel like when we are ranking the future of it, I think that depth is a little bit overrated because most of the times, like, and we're going to talk about this whenever you get to the Rockets, and we talked about this in the off season. The depth is, the depth is awesome. You have seven, eight great guys.

Cool. That just means that you have a lot of options because you know that you're going to have to pick two or three out of the eight because those are the only ones that are going to be there. And so I think having having a guy who has already hit a level like that to where you know if you start to get better, you can get that level of production out of him, that means something a little bit more than a lot of other young courts which are like, yeah, we like these guys and they're cool, but ultimately there's still a question mark where I think Scotty has, I think Scotty still, I think he has answered

a pretty decent amount of questions. What? In terms of, as opposed to as opposed to like the bulls who have like Bozellis or like the Oh, I'm not suggesting C tier. I'm suggesting B tier next to the Hawks. Is Jalen Johnson that much worse

as Scotty Barnes? Not really. And the gap you haven't gave me a single argument outside of Scottie Barnes for why any of these guys excites you. They have just a lot of guys around that. And you know what? Now that he's not here, Mo's right. We can we could put the hawks in it right we can we can we can do that we can do that because he is right because like jaylon johnson's injury did mess up a lot of stuff for me but when you do have

like i guess that top in talent of the core i think that that matters especially when that core is like here in this moment so we can put both the wrappers and the hawks in a well chat says 59% b and i agree with them so you've been outvoted y'all suck man that's that's why Let's be selected with it. You want to put them both in B and A. Let's keep them both in A. I agree. They're on the same level.

Maybe we'll change it at the end, but let's pace ourselves a little bit. Pelicans. Zion Williamson is still 24. Trey Murphy, Herb Jones. It's a pretty good course still, despite all their weaknesses and the fact that everybody's gotten goddamn hurt. Oh, and Missy. That sounds to me like it's the first A tier.

Yeah. Or no KS tier. I mean, Zion's the top 12 player when he's healthy. Obviously, when he's healthy, he's doing a lot of lifting there. you know this whole team is in the infirmary right now yeah like they're listen loki like i think across sports you have teams that have like curses on them we low key kind of have to start talking about the pelicans in that sense and start putting pelicans tax whenever we talk about things because they just seem they seem cursed it seems destined that something wrong is

going to is going to happen to them i'm going i think Zion is awesome. I think Tray Murphy is great. Herb Jones is obviously like all-defense level guy. I'll go A. I'm not going to put the minutes. I'm not going to put the minute. It feels like they're the most talents of one we're going to see on this list. But I understand

the Zion equation. I'm obviously not the guy that dinks him too much when we're doing like rankings and who's better. And I obviously but if you want to say in this list and it's about long-term projection, that's something to me that makes more sense to weigh the injury thing against Zion. I can respect that a lot more than like when we do a top 30 power forward ranking so chat's also picking a 56% by a wide margin so

listen everybody around here wants a who am i to argue for us cool cool cool Detroit Pistons Caden them they got Cade they got jane ivy they got a SAR they have Ron Holland they have Jalen Duren hey this is kind of fucking deep this is this is S tier this is but keep in mind so where the so the difference there is you don't have questions around kate and you do zion because i feel the depth of the pelicans

is just as good yeah i'm going i think i think it's that i think it's the availability and i think that the fact that like obviously i obviously kate is not a perfect player but the fact that the first time that kade got competency around him we we saw him take yeah we saw him take a leap into all-stardom i that makes me feel very very good about about about his him and about the position that the pistons are in. And so I'm going next. I don't even got to run a poll. Chad's just spamming S.

So, like, that's fine. You guys got it. I won't be one to argue against them. I love the fact that one day we're probably going to see Asar Thompson and one of Jaden Ivy or Ron Holland start next to him, whoever really takes that spot in the coming years. That's going to move me a lot, having those athletic players around Cade when they all kind of eventually step into their prime. And Jordan has been better second half of the year.

I still don't like love him as like a long-term starting center. I think I want to see a little more, especially defensively. The scoring has gotten better, but once they get like a real center that I'm confident in, whoever that may be, then I'm going to feel really, really good about this. Like, you're not even young core because it probably won't be young by that point, but the unit of this team going forward. This young core is, listen, this team might be the five seed. It's crazy.

They've got to be S-tier. And they're led by young court. Yeah, definitely. Cleveland Cavaliers, you know, Evan Mowley and Darius Garland are still 125, by the way. Wow, okay, S-tier. Oh, wait, no, wait, we did a ranking. Wait, no, no, no, that doesn't make sense. We counted 25-year-olds in our last ranking, didn't we?

In our last ranking, yes, but we're doing... Yeah, yeah, so we can't hear. That's why I thought Darius Garland, but I think Darius Garland is 25. Evan Mowley is under 25, so he carries a lot. Does Evan Mowgli get automatic S-tier just by waking up and being Evan Mowley? There's no Darius Garland in play. They have some other guys that aren't relevant yet. We'll see if Tyson becomes anything.

Is a Koro probably 24 still? I don't know if that means any of you. He is. He is. He doesn't. But I think that like if you have Evan Mowgli and a guy who right now might win DPOY, you have a guy who we are talking about as a potential, you know, top 20 player in the league right now. Yeah, that's S tier.

That's one guy. I don't care. So if we keep thinking about it in terms of value, would you trade Evan Mowgli for all the Pelicans guys? Would you not rather have Zion, Trey Murph? and Missy and Herb Jones I should know Herb Jones is 25 he's old I forgot So Missy Drey Murphy Zion

Do you rather that that's not equal footing If Evan Moby by himself Right now Come on that's fucking glaze Come on why we act like Evan Moby's fucking Anthony Davis Okay I'm no I'm not I'm not saying that But like obviously if you're trading Core for Core then like

Yes that that three That three for one would get done I'm not saying that But you always build these young cores, and the best case scenario is, out of all of our young cores, can we get one guy as good as Evan Moble? Can you get one guy as good as somebody who would be a tier below Evan Mobley, which is just a really good all-star for like a couple of years, not a DPLI candidate, somebody who's taking steps forward offensively. Like, Evan Mobley is awesome. Yeah, I love Evan Mobley. I adore Evan Mobley.

I adore Evan Mobley. top 20 players in the league this year he's one guy and you know like there's like kate's been just as good and they have three or four other really promising young players that feels like a tier difference to me that feels like a versus s it's one star plus a bunch of guys like i don't know why one person could he's not wemby if it was just wemby by himself then sure s tier off the strength of him but mowbly's just like an all-star not one of the best players in the world if mowbly can win d p o y this year And you don't think

That doesn't move I wouldn't put Jaron in his own tier Like I wouldn't get Jared S off the strength of his presence And again I would I would I think I think when you have that

singular force in in these cores That matters a lot when you were talking about The projection of what you're Of what you're trying to build Because you already have one of the One of the best foundations Of your young core I got some bad news for you

Chat is that 55% A 45% S right now Yeah what are we doing Listen it's democracy Don't get mad at me That you're getting out voting You're not getting jumped It's by the people

It's not my fault Oh it actually changed 58% A I guess I convinced them last second Before I ended the poll Guys come on now Everyone wanted to jump To the right side of history I guess

The Rockets Sangoon Amin Thompson Jalen Green Cam Tarisan deep read if he becomes something after this hellish rookie season where he doesn't play deep as hell but they don't have someone as good as cade the shout at sangoon not on kate's level so does that give you closer to the pelicans depth or s tier where they have one like a top 20 player that is extremely deep that's some unmatched depth right now it is

it is and it's it's deeper than the pelicans um this this probably is the deepest young core in the league I guess my question, my question to you, because I'm so figuring out exactly how high of a ceiling I think a man can get. Yeah. What is your ceiling for him then? I don't even know. He's so hard to quantify that. Like, if you tell me he becomes a top 25 player in the league, I won't be surprised. So who's the top 25 player in the league right now?

If you tell me he's, Jaron Jackson, if you tell me he's as good as Jaron Jackson, that won't, I won't be blown away by that, would you be? about like the idea of that happening no yeah yeah but that is also quite that that's quite a lot like jaron's really good so maybe that is a little too can can we give him credit for being on that trajectory that feels like i might be being a little bit too optimistic not not to say no i don't but i just mean in terms of for this type of list like am i giving him too much gas no i don't don't think so i think like i we've seen a man have have stretches where it's like you know this is crazy and he doesn't even he can't even shoot you know And he's actually impacting the game in very, very real ways without having a jumper.

And so I think when you talk about him moving forward, even if he, there's guys where even if they never figure out the shot, they can still impact a team. And I think that he potentially can, not even potentially, he can be an all-star, even if he doesn't figure out hot tissue. And I think that that paired along with Sengun, who is in a. all-starred this year you have taris and you have that depth i i think like their depth and a men ceiling okay here's it's it's it's minimum it's minimum it's minimum it's you can't be s tier unless you have the guy or do you think a man's the guy i know for a fact sangoon is a good player i know for a fact he's not the guy in terms of like he turns of like he turns of like top 10 player that can lead you championship that will never be sangoon you shouldn't expect it to be

fracas fan you should like appreciate for him being really good and being able to make an all-star team but don't hold your hope that he becomes yokech you know do you feel like a man has that ceiling like could he be this bigger faster stronger jama rant type of lead guard eventually they're like this andre gaddao type small ford if he never develops the handle like are you confident he's the guy for them those are two wildly different outcomes in terms of like job yeah yeah i just i just threw out like a like a legendary player like he hits the ceiling whatever that looks like then no then no i don't i don't think so my bad not legendary player but you know do you think he are you confident he hits this i understand i understand no okay but i also i also bet

not bet against but i like it's hard for me to project out people's shooting like i i think that people are going to be bad shooters until i'm proven otherwise and in terms of like being like a great great shooter or something like that so i don't think a man is ever going to be to that level like if he comes out one year and he and he's not so many young players like i i feel like it's fair the S tier has to have the guy because like A tier is also in your A you're getting a top grade. S is for like above and beyond. But also maybe

we're giving the Pistons too much credit then. In fact, we're not the Pistons don't have Wemby. They'll keep cunning him. I know. Like obviously like obviously Wemby is going to be in a class of his own but they're great right now. They're being led by

the young core and they are they potentially could have give okay i'm so okay then then you know what give a mess all right let's just give a mess dear just so because you know rocket's fans are fucking insane people they're gonna come here and scream at us if we don't let's just give us just give them the credit they are sensitive they're lunatics for sure they have a crazy tip on their shoulder it's one of the most sensitive fan bases that's ridiculous okay wow for as for as passionate as they are they don't be at these games though

oh no another conversation it's because they all live in fucking turkeys because they're not in Houston. Orlando Magic. Palo Bancaro and Franz are both under 25. S-tier. Is Jalen Suggs? Yeah, Jailen Suggs is 24, right? I got to check.

Check that. And they have some other guys who have not been hits in the draft class. You know, they have some other players that are young and picks, but haven't panned out yet. I mean, they have two stars. They're S-tier, right? They, okay, so they have, 25 and under. Co-Anthony, Frans, Jalen Suggs, De Silva, Caleb, Palo, Van Karo, J. Howard, Anthony Black.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, you got three guys on that team. Yeah, and you know what? Obviously, I've been critical of Palo more so than most people, and I'm not critical of him because I don't think he's, like, good. It's because I think he's going to be amazing and people act like he already is, but I fully, fully believe the ceiling of Palo Man Caro.

I think he is the guy for them. So, like, he crosses the guy threshold, like more than Sanguon. does for me. Whoever you want to think is better right now, neither here nor there, but like the ceiling is ridiculous. Like, he's that guy who just,

neither one of these other two S-year teams have a second guy as good as Franz. That's, that's true. Yeah. And your, and your critiques of Palo are all on the basis of,

of everybody and guys like me being like, now Palo's that already. And you're like, eh, let's just slow down. Yeah, that's, that, like,

four of your stuff, that's kind of it. Yeah, it's not even slow down. It's just like, he'll be there, like let him get there, you know?

like so yeah it feels like there's no reason to say anything other than S-tier yeah okay and you know chat agrees 67% S-tier it is an absolute bloodbath you guys didn't hesitate whatsoever next one a lot of you seem don't have you on course I'm going to stop doing

the ones that don't have young cores Timberwolves Anthony Edwards Rob Dillingham You have DGai you have the guy You have the guy You have the guy S-tier

You have the best guy on this list besides maybe Wembe so S-tier And shout to Jamie General Shout out Jada McDaniels. He's really bounced back. Strong second half of the season. The mid-range game is around. He's shooting better from three.

Defense is as good as it's always been. He's having a big offense resurgence after a really fucking awful start to the year. So with him being more solidified, even just if it's those two guys, Anthony Edwards are so good as S-tier. Shout out. I'm not even going to do a poll.

I'm not even giving you all a chance to disagree, chat. The double salute. It's like a double bang. It's very rare. Philadelphia 76ers got Tyrese and they got Jared McCain as the main two.

What does that do for you? Interesting combo. Yeah, but it puts them in eight tier. I don't think Maxie has... Oh, because Maxie is an All-Star. But it's only two guys. And one's a rookie who had a really strong 15 games that we think he's going to be

extremely good. It's not a big sample size and it's only two guys. I'm sorry. Oh, is Quinn Grimes under 25? Probably. I think he's still under 25. He's 24.

Okay, never mind. Exactly. I can only go off for two things. One, what people have shown me already. And two, the fact that I like these players, so I'm going to put them in it. Okay. Listen, we say it all the time. They're both pockets full of sunshine.

It's hard to root against them. Yeah, you're giving them sunshine or a credit. Exactly. You just like them. Russell Wilson and the Giants have agreed upon a deal. One year worth up to $21 million? Wait, didn't they already sign James and not he's their backup? Yeah.

Fuck, I have James in fucking fantasy and Dynasty. Damn it. I was hoping he'd sling that bitch. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Oh, well, anyways, I did the poll, and people were putting B tier for the 76ers right now. Well, I don't care what they say.

It's our tier list. We'll bring them an A. It's 51% B, 26% A. And, you know, so Tyrese has made an all-star team. He is that level of player. That is also with the caveat of he's this very specific type of all-star that we know that he's, like, perfect to play off of a guy that can be. We don't really feel like he's a type of all-star that can, like, you know, really, really

step up to be, like, the guy. And that's not an insult. No one should expect that from him. That's just not who he profiles as a player. So I'd say, I'd say not all all-stars are made equal. Like, Zion is in a completely different tier. Edmobies is a completely different tier to me. So I don't think having an all-star just, like, guarantees them.

A tier immediately. If you want to say that, the nicheness of his All-Star level plus the lack of depth, I don't think B's insane. Okay, well, I will say it is hard, right? Like, obviously he wasn't,

he's not like the same level of player when he's playing without NB as opposed to with Embed. But if you have Tyrese Maxie and then you have $55 million to allocate to other players. Yeah, he could be in a better spot.

Yeah, to kind of, to kind of build a team around it, that works rather than playing with the team that was supposed to do, that was supposed to operate one way, and now you don't have that. Okay, but these teams in B, they have Jalen Johnson and Scotty Barnes.

Plus, at least, I mean, I don't think the Raptors have a lot of depth, but we'll stick on the Hawks example. They have Jalen Johnson who, do you think Jalen Johnson could be like that same level of like, could he sneak him to an all-star game if he's playing next to the MVP? If Jalen Johnson was playing off a Yokic,

could he be an all-star? Probably. So I think they're not that different of a player, maybe. And they obviously have three other elite players. Is that a tier difference to you? Elite for the host? My bad, my bad man. Really good players.

Elite, I should not use that word. They have three other really good young players. Does that constitute a tier difference? I mean, no, because, again, McCain actually did show, like, a lot of promising. He showed to be, like, really, really good in his role. Quentin Grimes has been going absolutely insane. Let's be a reactionary. Let's let's like Quentin Grimes be the different.

difference. It looks like Quinn Grimes would be a difference. A tier. Let's do it. Shout out Kobe. Quentin Gras is playing like Kobe has a blake. Fuck it. Portland Trailblazers. This one is extremely interesting. They have Klingin. Is Denny still under 25? Let me check. They have school.

They have a lot of pieces that are probably going to be really good supplemental players. They have, why am I blanking on the best defensive wing in the goddamn conference's name? To Mani. to Moni Kamara and Denny is 24 so he counts that's a great wing combination

of role players plus Klingin who I think will be a good room protector school has been up and down this year

but at least there's ups right now and not just straight downs like last year they have like everything

but the guy where does that put them probably a tier yeah probably you

what you want to put them in S no no no I was gonna say B just because they're lacking the guy

but they have everything around that and that's that's that would That would be my thing is like, if you, if you went and you traded for like a Dame Lillard and you put them on this team, right? Or if you took one of the Cavs guys, if you took Garland or Mitchell and you put them into this roster, this roster is actually competitive and it could do some things.

And so I think that you are perfectly tailor made to get a start. And so, listen, sneaky, sneaky, Devin Booker. Ooh. I don't know what that package would look like because I don't know what they have that the Sons want but that would be sick that would be amazing to have Denny and Tumani

playing off of him and like Denny is weird because he's not quite as good as Jalen Johnson in terms of like being sub all-star level could sneak in but he's one of the best role players in the league in terms of guys that we don't consider

like all-star trajectory he's like top tier like he's probably on like a Derek White level of role player damn near obviously different maybe he doesn't translate to winning teams quite as much so I won't say that I'll take that back but top tier role

player how does that move us in this conversation i think again it moves it moves me a lot i think that they should be that they should be a tier they have the they have a great ecosystem to inherit a star to to move forward and all of these guys are guys that you can see on the team in two to three years unless they get traded for the guy but if we're just if we just continue to like keep building and and keep being patient you are you are kind of happy with what you have in portland i'm putting them in A. Okay. Oh, we can go ahead. Because I know why? Because I feel like they're, they're uniquely amazingly set up around not having the guy. Like, they have two legitimately elite defensive wings and like a guy who's probably going to be a fantastic defensive big man. Like,

it's not just they have like some interesting players. They have guys are already really good, like really high level role players that can like slot in and be good for a long time. Like, we haven't seen a team that quite has that on here yet. Yeah. And I'm also really high on clinging. Like I think cleaning is going to be. like a super, super duper impactful, you know, defensive player. So I'm going, I'm going to it. Okay. Spurs.

Let's do them. S. Wembee Castle, S tier. You got it. We just leave it there. Shout out the other guys I have. Shout out Sohan. Fasel's paid.

He's young. He's the player. Wembe and Sohan. I mean, when being in the castle alone. And that's all that matters. Yeah, he's rich. Generationalally so. is getting S-tier.

It can be Wembe and a bunch of dudes and it'd be S-tier probably. So Castle's Emergence this year as one of those promising rookies in this class. Easy. Utah Jazz. I see, there's been recent donations

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Give me your jazz thoughts. that this is quite the this is one of the NBA teams of all time obviously they're not going to S tier that's out of the consideration so I'm not even going to put them on there but they do have a lot of young players are they good young players

to be determined but I do like Isaiah Collier he can pass the ball and he's fast who else who else do you like I'm putting them in F they have one of the words F come on

if come on now come on now this is one of the worst teams in the league, this is one of the worst young courts. If they don't get Cooper flag, right, to go in and save them, this

team is in serious. Oh, then Kessler, Kessler and Kahlier, that's D-Tier at least. All right, fine. Kessler's good. Is it fine? Fuck it. That way, boy, is nice. But honestly, Cody Williams, man, I don't react to rookie seasons too much.

The motherfucker does cardio. And before the draft, people that watched closer more closely than I do, said that motherfucker does cardio and i was like i don't know and you guys watch more than me but i think he looks decent he's doing cardio it's just like i we've and we've done episodes about you know talking about like the future of all these other teams and like you look at at utah and you look up and down the roster and you are just begging begging that they get get flagged because it doesn't feel promising for what they are right now right now all you are hoping is that

hey maybe danny age can go in and flee somebody to do something it's i think the craziest part about all of this is that if we did this a year ago you would have felt great about the direction of the jazz like we thought that they were going to be you know this like this sneaky team and could potentially you know like fight for playoffs standing in the first half of the season then tank because that's what they do they just just hasn't been that way the whole you haven't you haven't necessarily got everything that you wanted out of this young core. And you've also gotten the answer

on Keante George as your lead guard and that's not a great solution moving forward. Yeah, yeah, you don't like the answer you were given. Okay, we can go D. I still don't feel horrible about their long-term future just because they're taking so hard still and, like, committed to being bad, which is what you've got to do.

But man, they're committed to the tank, all right. It's going to be a multi-year endeavor. Washington Wizard. Yeah, that sounds like if you're going to be bad for several years, we'll go with D though because they have a couple players and F is like the Celtics are F or no

let's just take the Celtics out and that's not because they don't have them let's not ring players don't have you on court let's keep these contenders out of it well even then I still think they should be alongside the Mavs and heat probably Kessler Kessler's really good and those guys aren't those teams

don't have Deep Yon Kour I just get so depressed watching the jazz that might it has to be an F the chat is insane or now that's hilarious the Wizards I like Alexar a lot I have a lot of faith in him

and his tools and the speed he shows and the handle with that size the defense capabilities Kishon George is playing a lot better than he did to start

the year when he was the most inefficient score in the NBA Jordan Poole is so 24 Belakulabali is so young even though he has been pretty fucking horrible this year despite us

hoping he'd be really good and Bub Carrington is young how do you feel about that group I actually feel very promised I actually like I like what they're cooking in Washington

we might have to go B actually not or not maybe not maybe maybe I like Alexar a lot the upside is really nice and I'm gonna take off S on the group that's out of the question

so chat A through D you let us know what you think I can understand C if you want to see proven this and maybe maybe C is right because B we have Hawks and Raptors who have like guys a lot more proven than Alexar is

but I think Sara is a high ceiling. I've kind of bought in, you know, bought back into Sarr over the last like month or so. Do you think that are you, are you high on? Jordan Poole's good. By the way. He is.

I don't think he's going to like be here like that. So like I, he's good and he is under 25, not really counting him in this equation. Oh, never mind. Jordan Poole is 25. I lied. Sorry, guys.

perfect cool he's not I wasn't even considering him okay so if you if you think about like what the score is going to look like in two three years do you feel confident that one of these other guards can pop yeah I actually think that that they have something in one of these other guards so I will go be with you if you want to chat is currently a 44% B 25% C 22% A they almost have as many A's as they do C's

A's obviously have the question it feels a bit disrespectful to the Hawks to put the in the same tier because just because it's so much less proven players you know like it's really off the strength of like we think alex R is going to be a beast but he's so far from that I think he'll get closer at the ceiling of the other two guys might be better who of like of of of Georgian and Bilau and bub like I think that their ceilings are are higher than Risa Shays or of Dyson Danes Risa. Nice day.

I'm not, listen. Research Aes? Come on. He's a good, he's a good player. I'm not, I'm not going to sit here and say that he's bad. But I'm still, I still don't think that he's going to be like, wow, I think that he's going to be a good player for a long time. But I don't think that he's going to be like a guy in, like, the top one or two slots

of a winning team. Yeah, yeah, neither do I, but I'm damn sure Kishon George isn't either. Like, I like these players, but I'm not going to pretend that they have like star upside, they're just going to be good role players, which is important, but it's not, I wouldn't use that. Exactly. And I guess, like, at that point, we're, we're splitting hairs between role players, and it's really just going to, you know, depend on the, on the situation and, like, who else is on,

is on the team at the, at the time. But I, I like what Washington's cooking. So do I. And so I, so I would like to put them in B. Well, Chad agrees with you. This is the first time they disagreed with me, so I'm outvoted. B, it is. I think, I don't hate it long-term-wise,

but I think we're cutting them a lot of bail. We're doing a lot of assumptions that we're giving them credit for being young and not needing any proof of putting in it. All right, I mean, okay. Glad to be known, I would have went C, but you guys win. 45% went B.

Who am I to, who am I to vote against democracy? Who we want to do next? Is OKC still S-tier, even though it's just Jalen and Chet and Shays out of that? Yeah. Yeah, right? They have Kaysin still.

They have all these guys still. Okay, so we're just not through. Okay, see you next tier. Duh. The Nets, who's in the Nets Young Corps? Cam Thomas, Zaire Williams, who's been solid as of late. Shout out.

I think Keon Johnson is under 25. He's putting up numbers. You look up the Nets Rast. I'll start the poll. Chat, what do you guys think about the Nets Young Corps? They're year one of a rebuild, and they're like, not even really a core yet. I don't even know where to rank there.

All right. 24 and under. Jalen Williams, Tending Watford. Sire Williams, Cam Thomas, Dayron Sharp Keon Johnson, Killing Hayes, Reese Beakman,

Maxel Lewis, Derek Whitehead, Noah Clowney. Shout to Deeron Sharp. Solid player. Oh, no. No, son.

So, yeah. So, D-Tier. Cool. Sorry. My bad. Man, that's a fumble this whole situation.

It's really, it's really crazy. It's your one. It's your one. It's your one. It's your one. It's your one. on given time i don't know given one draft at least well i'm not i'm not i'm not saying i'm not saying

fumbled this situation in terms of like this year and this team i'm just saying overall just being in brooklyn and all the things that like could have went their way and just like has it it's awful yeah what guys let's get to one of the main characters that i forgot about that we would have did earlier if i don't notice what do we do with the golden state warriors we have brandon pachemsky John the Cominga, Moses Moody, Trace Jackson Davis, and so forth. Quentin Post, I'm sure it was under 25, even though he's probably an older guy.

What do we do with that? It's a lot of role players, a lot of surely not the guys in any way, so I better not see chat voting goddamn A tier. But it's some role players. Low ceiling, but a lot of decent players. Moses Moody's been playing fantastic since being able to get real starter minutes.

How do you parse the fact and how do you split the difference between these guys play a role and they are good in their role because now whenever you have step and jimmy there the team looks a lot better as opposed to pre jimmy and we're looking at the team like man this team sucks you know like that's a really really like hard line to to teeter because post is 25 post is 25 oh oh god uh chat is currently voting C right now, 51% are at C. You know, that feels about fair

to me. I mean, I don't know. C tier has Buzellas and the Lamello ball-led Hornets in there. Maybe that's not fair to put, I don't know, how do you feel about Kaminga at this rate? He's been really fucking horrible since he came back from injury, but he's coming back from injury. He needs time to get back into rhythm, so I'm not holding that against him. You know me, though. You know me.

I've never been a massive Kaminga guy. Me neither, but we're judging him at his lowest point right now, which isn't fair regardless, so I don't think he's, you know, what we're seeing right now is it going to be the long-term Kaminga production. I'm going D I'm going D I understand that like I think that this young core is all all of them are fairly close to their scene I really don't think that Kaminga has like this this massive other level for him to hit I think they can he be better of course but it's not going to be like a world's difference of better and I am going to like at their best they are role players at their best this is a five through nine of a solid team

and that's just not that's not great I guess that deserves C that's better than a lot of the unknowns in D but then again I think I like Derek Lively more than everybody on the Warriors I think I like hello where more than everybody on the Warriors

being so too I don't know but the Nets and Jazz work it's you know let's put the Nets and Jazz to F tier and then put the Warriors and D let's let's do it that. That'll be the deciding. Hating wins. Hayden wins.

I told you. Yeah, I'm all that. The rest of the team's on here, I don't think they really have young cores. Celtics don't. Nuggets don't. Do the patients have a young core? Halliburton's 25. It's not really.

Clippers, they don't. Lakers, no. Grizzlies. John Morant is 24, isn't he? No, I think he's, I think he's graduated out of the 25 class. but yeah he's 25 okay so the grizzies young core is like Zach ED and a bunch of role players

we don't got to rank that one here not really young core yeah everything everybody left on here is contenders so I guess I guess that's our list someone said the jazz hate is so forced it's actually like the least force thing

I've ever seen what was the fucking what reason is there to cut the jazz bill we really didn't even try oh Stefan dig signs of the Patriots three years 69 million dollar deal god damn Robbing the Patriots, let's go.

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