The Deep 3 Podcast - Putting The Most Underrated NBA Players In A Bracket | TD3 Live

Episode Date: August 14, 2024

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I wish I would have brought one of those crayons back. Oh, yeah. I got a monopoly on the crayons. They're all mine. For the rob you. We are live, though. People are coming in right now. Welcome back to another stream.

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So I'm feeling pretty good. I was about to call you grants. Why the fuck you have to throw my business like that? God damn it. That's a big number I ever met. And with everybody come in. As you got to see about the title today's stream, we're going to be doing a bracket of the most underrated players in the NBA.

So how I did this was, I'm in a community post this morning where I asked you guys to name, you know, the most underrated players in the league, who you want to see in this bracket. They said they can't hear you, Isaac. Oh, all right. That's annoying. They said you're low. Oh, I'm low. Okay. Yeah.

Should be better now. There you go. Much better. There you go. There you go. Okay. I had a loan purpose because it's always hard because I can't tell how large you guys come through for them. So I'm going to mind super low.

Okay. Like I was saying, I made a community post. where I asked you guys who the most underrated players in the league are and I made a bracket of the top 32 of the most common names I saw on there plus people that we've talked about in the past is being underrated

so you know how brackets work we're one by one and it's not going to be who's better it's going to be who's more underrated more underrated so this is more so like how we think they're perceived the crown eaters of the world

and how they're perceived in the basketball world not as just how they're perceived okay someone said Moe's media let me see if they're trolling me I know the setting now to decide if Mo's read or not, so I can go ahead and check it. And nope, Moe has monitor and output. Don't have his modern output.

They're trolling. They're liars. Get fucked. Liars! Someone said Don't looks like Chubs. They're spamming OVO Chubs. I'm not going to lie. I saw a picture of him on Instagram the other day and I was like, yeah, they're right.

They got me. That's funny. A lot of them were like iffy. We talked about in the past, Norm, McHale Bridges, all these guys. It's like, I get it, but not really. jobs is the one that's me that's that's that's a good comparison too he he is me and i'm him someone's a little too quiet let me turn it up the output i think you're good okay should be good actually does look kind of low let me be too loud i'm listening i was listening to earlier just now

and you're good but now it's really wow i'm gonna go back loud so yeah i'm listening to it and you're good okay well then we're just take to what we're doing right now i'll just talk loudly but yeah before we get to the bracket, the main part of the day stream, as always, we have our document of news stories. And, you know, it's mid-August. Not exactly a ton of news going on, but we got what we can. It's great. It's going to be so funny. Isaac's going to be gone. He's just yelling for an hour and a half. Facts. They're sending us up. Why I said I'm a skinny Mexican OT? I don't look anything like a Mexican OT. He's just Mexican. He's just Mexican. Oh, no. The comparison for Isaac, as you all know, is like Lord Farkard and fucking Nick Wright.

That's it. Yeah, Nick Wright and Clay Thompson are the best ones. No, Lord Farkar, for sure. That one. It's thinking of you, buddy. John the Cominga is seeking a $224 million max extension from the Warriors. Would you pay John the Comingga a max extension at this point of his career? Hell no.

He said, hell not. Now, you've been somewhere? I don't. like you're just you're just not getting getting the money there's there's no way that you can come into the office ask for this contract and leave thinking that it was like a reasonable offer and thinking that we had an actual conversation i might nod my head yes but it's just going to be like okay like you can you can leave now it's just going to be out of pure politeness you're not getting this money jonathan it's not happening does a lot i mean listen fucking everybody

Every young player gets a mask extension these days. You always have to be, like, confident. You don't even got to be great. Like, Michael Porter, Jr. got a max extension because he was a good role player on a winning team. It doesn't take a whole lot. The bar is not high. But I don't know. John the King is pushing it.

They're not winning. Yeah, exactly. The thing is, like, they're not winning. And this is his first year actually, like, getting real opportunity. So it's like, to me, it's not like a, hell no. Because it's like, yeah, if you got my minute, you probably would have produced more. You know, because he was very well. Like, remember, he was coming off.

bench routinely earlier in the season and then weird rotational stuff having towards the end of the year too it's not a hell nah but it's just hard because it's like he hasn't felt proven yet and it doesn't feel like he's essential like Michael Porter Jr got paid like that because it felt like he was essential it's not a hell not what this is Jonathan comminga like it's fun it's okay this this is something that I think the NBA needs to get back to which is telling guys no it's okay it's okay that Jonathan Kaminga is not a max player but like i i understand that with the way that my contracts are set up the way that that cba like people are going to get max contracts that aren't necessarily that valuable but at the

same time if if that is what a max contract player is it's that's just ridiculous like he just can't he he he just can't be a max contract kind of guy i have two gripes it can't happen just two grieves first and foremost i wouldn't say hell not i would just say now Nah, you good. There's a difference. And then secondly, too, if Jonathan can get a max deal like that level, do you feel like you can get a minimum? That's what you're basically telling me.

Because you make it sound like that crazy as if he's like, yeah, you know? It is crazy. I should not get a minimum. I should not get a 10 day. I should not be allowed to be a practice player for an NBA team. And if Jonathan Camilla- I see your defense scantz. Listen, I slide.

That's the one thing I paid to him. That's how I got on the floor. You know me, right? But if Kaminga ends up getting a max contract, then I have a chance to do that. And that just shouldn't happen. It's okay. He's a role player. He's a role player.

He's getting $224 million. Would you feel comfortable paying Jonathan Kaminga like $50 million a year? Think about that. Are you comfortable paying him $50 million a year? 50 million hell no you are not okay with that you're not getting the deal

go somewhere else shout out to Ferris 22 for different $10 he said what is Kevin Durant's fourth medal do for his legacy not a damn thing but shout out Kevin Durant for winning four gold medals that's pretty awesome he's probably one of the greatest

Americans to ever live if you ask me there we go he's definitely it does a lot for his team USA legacy he's very high in the list he's up there with honestly he might just be number one he's the best team USA player of all time yeah he's the best he's leading he's all time leading scoring over there four medals

yeah I mean that would do a lot for a lot of people's legacy but Kevin Durant is so cemented in terms of how good he is like you know in terms of you know when you break somebody all time you kind of balance the accomplishments and the talent he's already maxed a talent out you know so the gold medal and like team USA accolades

don't really do a whole lot when the only thing he's missing is like individual accomplishments and rings by himself leading a team so nothing could really change where he's at besides that I think yeah and I think I think like moving forward it's going to be really interesting seeing how gold medals are perceived going forward because it's it's getting harder and harder for team USA to win a gold medal like if you ask me about the gold that they got in 2012 like yeah they should have stomped over everybody if you ask me about the goal that they got in like 1996 when there was like 20 international players. in the league yeah you guys should have ran the league but every every country has two to three

solid NBA players then everybody else can play there's also a lot of continuity so move in like the next Olympics it's it's going to be a battle like you saw it this time they had to come back from 17 down and get these gold medals so moving moving forward it's going to be very cool to see like how many people can stack up because there's going to be a team in the next two to three Olympics that doesn't get a gold medal. and you're going to have to start realizing kind of the value of them. Yeah.

Shout out to Axel for tipping $3. My bad, Mo. He said, keep up the good work, fellas. Come Bucket is the illusional. Is the Lulu to be specific, is what he said. I can't believe that's his nickname. That always throws me off every single time. Come Bucket.

He has to fight people for that. What was your question? I think Kenny made that popular, which is hilarious. Yeah. God. So not on brand for him either. I know. So my question was,

which team was better, which one team was better, like 1992 or 2024? Probably 24. But why is that the comparison? The real answer is 2012. 2012 was the best team. We keep doing this 24 versus 92 thing for the who's the best. We forget that we've already crowned 2012 at that time. We had these conversations back then, and I don't really think this team's any better

than that team. Who's a part of the 2012? Again, Mello, of course, Bronn. Kevin Durant, LeBron, Dwayne, Wade, Kobe Bryant, Mello, Young Anthony Davis, Chris Paul. There's another big man on the team. Was it Tyson Chandler? I can't remember it.

It was Tyson, Tyson, Russell Westbrook, LeBron, Kobe, Kevin Love, KD, James Harden, Darren Williams, Chris Paul, Mello, Anthony Davis, Igadala. And Kobe was still very, very good at that time. That was right before his knee blew up, I mean, his Achilles. That team was incredible. 2012 LeBron, Dwayne Wade before his knee blew up? Like, they had everybody. okay so now the 80 is stupid KD was averaging

20 points a game in the run 20 points in Olympic in Olympic competition is insane Is that equivalent to like 35 in the NBA Damn dear Yeah that's crazy He shot 52% from three During the Olympic season

The question now is 2012 or 2224 2012 I think it was 1224-94 92 the 92 team like they were obviously stacked but they played like international basketball was a joke at that time so it's like yeah they look amazing they blew everybody out Jordan also was being unsurious not trying you shot like 45% from the field he put a prime

Jason Tatum numbers in the Olympics yeah and like and I would like Anthony Davis at that time I like you have 80s probably a little bit more impactful than what Christian Leitner was able to bring to the 92 team. Larry Bird back was destroyed at that point. Like, you know, magic had to, that was part of his like comeback was the, was the dream team. So you have like three or four spots already on that team where you're not at your peak. You're not at your apex where basically after they get bronze in 04, they're like, yeah, this is never happening again. We're just going straight demons every four years. Shout out. Listen, we got almost 500 people in here right now. Shout out everybody here in the

dead of the off season watching NBA content. Do us a favor. Drop a like on the stream. Get us to 500 likes in the stream. Help it keep going. The more likes we get while we stream, the more people will see it in their feet as we go on. So do us a favor and help get more degenerates in here. Thank you so much. Next new story. Trey Young says, a lot of NBA players view this year's draft class as role players. He said this on podcast, P. He said, no disrespect to the guys that got drafted. Some guys might surprise us, but a lot of us look at them as role players coming in anyway. A lot of these guys could be role players, so all the GMs really just trying to figure out who's going to be the best role player for their team. He's repeated himself

three times. He said, as good as Alexar is, I don't think he's going to be their franchise player going forward. One, you're rude for that. Two, shout out podcast P. Because he gets these guys talking. I know. Shout for you. Just saying whatever. But that's very interesting. I mean, everybody's been saying basically the exact same thing. It's just very interesting to see an NBA player say the same thing about this upcoming draft class, especially when your team had the number one

overall team. Exactly. That's the issue. That's the main issue. This isn't crazy, right? It's not wrong, for say. How does it, again, we're getting real first takey and we're getting real Tony. What is it saying about it? We're being real. Yeah, what does it say about him as a leader? But like, when you see an NBA star

talk about a draft class this way, and it's not disrespectful necessarily, but you don't really see stars be this candid. How do you feel about that? This is the issue with, like, player podcasts. This is when you just, like, get way too comfortable and you're just, like, very mindful of, like, the entire team situation and, like, the context that you yourself are in as a player.

Your team just got the number one overall pick. People were calling your guy, the man that you were showing support for in Summer League, the Harrison Barnes of the NBA drafts. They said, that's our guy number one, you know? And to say that out loud, like if I'm, let's say probably not on social media like that. But still, it's just not an overall good look. I'm not going to say the mission as a leader because what he's saying is not wrong. But at the same time, too, it's just like read the room and you don't have to like, you know, be this comfortable in front of them.

Because it just damages some things, you know. That's our job. There's the line right there. This is our job. This is what we're supposed to do. You stay in your lane. Well, this is, this is, listen, this episode. I'm assuming is like either just came out or it's about to come out.

Yeah. And this is this is what happens when it's August 13th and the Olympics end. And there's nothing to talk about. And now you just be, you, you really, really just get people yapping and just saying whatever. And you're trying to figure out, right, how to make it, how to make it interesting, how to have a nice conversation. And I'm not saying that, you know, Trey Young is like engagement farming or anything like that. But you probably, I don't know, like you just ask this question. you just get to talking because you're bored

and that's probably what comes out. Yeah. Interesting to bit. I don't really think it's a problem necessarily. I'm not going to, like I don't give a fuck about him as a leader and what it says. Like,

he's just being honest. It's just very, like Mo said, interesting what happens when NBA players get their own podcast and we get to hear them be candid by stuff like this. Because I'm sure these guys have always thought stuff like this. We just don't hear very often.

So, slightly interesting. Fair. Next thing. I don't want to talk about that. It's not about the Larry Markman saga. You know, Larry Markman re-uped at the end of the last week, basically signed a contract extension that meant he can't be traded at all over the next season

because by the time his, what do you call it, moratorium on being traded come, the trade deadline will be passed. So the Warriors didn't get him, and it's reported that their final offer for him was Moses Moody, multiple first-round picks, pick swaps, and second rounders. They refused to include Brandon Pajemsky or Jonathan Kaminga. How does that make you all feel? you know how like every single trade that happens or that doesn't happen for like a big star player whatever there's like singular player that's like oh man you let xyz player stop you from this

momentous star player t hd career like cow lowry exactly this is like the t ht type similar same exact vibes pods is great he's way better than thty of course but at the same time too step curry's at the peak powers of his career we're not peak Obviously, I don't see that from him anymore, but he's just right there, you know, and for you to not give everything for this last run, clearly is going to be one of his last runs at a real chance to win. It's just kind of damning and disappointing. But I can understand from like a future standpoint, but it's still disappointing. Yeah. Yeah, I think at this point that the words are at, and you see it, you've really seen it over the last two years or last couple years with.

Steph and the Warriors, and then with Bronn and the Lakers. And people, we talk basically every single day, whenever the team is not good enough about, oh, you have to maximize the window, you have to maximize the window. It's a weird balance of, hey, I'm the GM and I have to do what's best for the team and for the team's future. And the other side being, hey, man, listen, the game is the game. And you know that when you have Steph, when you have LeBron, if you have one of these other guys, that are at the, you know,

tail end of their prime, you're going to get robbed and you have to just agree that you are going to allow yourself to get fleece to put yourself in a win-now position to improve the team. And so if PODs is, you know, part of that group that goes out,

I guess, like, it kind of just has to happen because who do you have more, who do you have to have more loyalty to in that moment? Do you say, we're going to rock with Steph? or, no, like, this team actually needs at least another young rotation piece that we can start building around or start including in the future. But, and, like, if Lowry's not one of the five best players in the world, then we're not going to do that, I guess.

But you still have to say, no, like, Steph is here. He's still averaging, you know, high 20s. We have to make that move. Someone said in the chat, ain't no way Mo got that Yonis pick on his wall. Listen, that Janice pick is going nowhere ever It's going to be with us forever I ain't going to lie I'm right when I have a kid

I'm putting this bitch Right in front of his crib bro Sorry to God he's gonna be raised with that This is history If you know you know I'm gonna make you real big In your solo cam Let's see Janus and full HD

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it's time to get into the thing we're all here for the bracket of the most underrated players in the NBA y'all we have 180 likes right now can you get us to 250 by the time we get finished this first debate we'll see I don't think so y'all bag not deep enough and y'all ain't locked in but prove me wrong I dare you as you go let me show you guys my screen

I hate that I have to re-share it every time I switch windows but as you guys can see I had this bracket here with 32 of the most underrated players in the NBA as voted on by you guys or as suggested by you guys. So, real simple, we're going to go one by one to decide who was more underrated between these multiple matchups

and get to a winner of the most underrated player in the NBA. Let's talk about it. The first matchup we got, going back to the top. Oh, this is interesting. Aaron Wiggins versus Lamello Ball. Get Wiggins out of here. Sorry, it's on Mello.

You think Lamello's more rated than Wiggins? Yes, Wiggins is What is what is What is Wiggins underrated at? All right, you didn't hear me right. Aaron Wiggins, not Angie Wiggins. Oh, Aaron Wiggins.

I thought I just said Andrew. I was like, whoa. No, no, no. He's not sniffing a most underrated player's list. But his brother is. Aaron Wiggins is nice. That's not his brother.

But yeah. I think I'm still going to lean the mellow because of people. He's actually not related. But I think I'm still taking Lameo because I feel like people forget his disgusting, the disgusting amount of potential within the 6-7 point guard who has limitless range. All right.

I'll make a poll for all these. Limitless. Yes, limitless range. Don't forget. How quickly you forget about Lamello ball? I'm not, I'm not forgetting. I think Lamello takes shots from very far,

but I don't think that there's like two guys, two and a half, that I think actually have limitless range. That's obviously Stefan Day. they are like clear cut cemented and then Trey young on like he's he's that he's that other guy I don't think that there's a lot of guys who really have a consistent limit limitless range like that there might be that he shoots a lot of threes just that's let's leave it at that yeah okay so what's more underrated to you a role player that's good but nobody knows about him

outside of hardcore fans or a star player who is hated on and not expected much of because of various reasons but has a potential to be really great what do you mean not expected much of people still think that like lamello is going to come back and be an all star this is peak off season content

we're over here arguing Aaron Wiggins versus Lamello ball that's the whole list bro we're getting nasty today who's more unrated who's more slept on and like the chat is voting right now 66% is voting for Lamello but that's because it's Lamello and we have crayon leaders who you know like Mello

who's more underrated? It's not who's better. It's not who has more potential. Who's more underrated? And I think it has to be Aaron Wiggins. You go ask any of y'all big brothers, any of y'all dads, anybody outside of the hardcore NBA world, who is Aaron Wiggins? And they're going to be like, what the fuck are you talking about? Huh?

A guy in the deli? Who? I'm going to be. But just because he's more unknown doesn't mean that he's more underrated. Like those two things don't. That's, okay. That's true. but there's a very big

if it's a if it's a Venn diagram between unknown and underrated the overlap between them is still very very big I guess the counter argument is not only is Lamella Bow's on unknown but he's hated

and he's you know people think negatively of him now because of injuries and everything and people think it's not worth building around him throw him away we're done with this guy that's like worse than being unknown you know so I guess that would be the argument

is that even if you think both of them deserve a lot more one is actively rooted against at this point. Yeah. I think. But nobody's out here being like, man, like I love Aaron Wiggins. And granted, that's because,

that's because, like, he is still Aaron Wiggins. Like, he is a role player. And I do understand that. But Lamello Ball, Lamello Ball, no matter how bad Lamello plays, he's still going to have a baseline of fans that, like, no, he's still, like, he's still this crazy player.

Like look at, look at the passes, look at what he does, look at the highlights, and they're still going to think that he is one of the best, best point guards in the league when that isn't the case. I think I decided. The only reason why I'm leaning Aaron Wiggins is because he signed a ridiculously cheap deal and no one in the NBA atmosphere at all is talking about how much of a steal that deal was. I think it's like a, um, it's like a four-year, like $50 million deal. I'm looking at Chad.

This is such a perfect representation of. This is so hilarious. Such a perfect representation of Lamello discourse. Somebody in the chat said, bro, nobody hates Lamello, Isaac. Next person, the next message says, Mello is overhated. Next message says,

Mello is overrated. So he's sitting on, and then people saying, nobody hates them. Nobody agrees on Lamello. This is tough. I'm going to Air Wiggins. Chah is going to Morrow because he genuinely has,

like, one of the best, or O.C., he got one of the best contracts in the entire NBA. for a role player who can't be phased out in any situation. So let's go Aaron Williams. You move on.

Yeah. Shout to Ferris 22 for tipping $10. He says, if Lamello never gets rid of the injury bug, where does that put him in terms of NBA disappointments? Pretty high. It sucks when a young all-star he has the injury bug.

It's immediately pretty high. It's been seen as dude hoop. The draft can't play basketball. Yeah. We've even seen the dude hoops since he was like 14, 13 years old did the whole like when viral on Instagram consistently with his

brothers it'll be disappointing as though for sure next one Drew Holiday or Kegan Murray you know perpetually underrated Drew Holiday for the past decade or Murray I hate that so much yeah for the past decade is it sounds like exaggeration

but it feels like it's I think I'm going to lean Kegan Murray for sure because when you think of Kegan Murray you just think of him like oh like Kings player and that's it when really he's one of the best defenders in the NBA at his position specifically and because of that he's

uber valuable and tremendously valuable to the Kings and a whole other light. So I think I'm a link to you Murray. Yeah, because I mean I put Drew, because obviously a lot of comments for saying Drew Holiday in the post I made asking for names. Is Drew Holliday even underrated anymore? I think he's like a Hall of Famer now. He has gold medals. He has a

championship ring. If everyone is calling you underrated, then you're not underrated anymore. Yeah. He's that's like the best pruner defender we've ever seen in our modern NBA lifetimes. I think underrated has been past. I agree. Yeah, I got it.

You're going to say Drew Holiday still? Somehow still, I just like, I just don't feel the way that you initially felt with Lamello and Aaron Wiggins, I feel here where like, yeah, like less people probably know about Kegan Murray, but that doesn't mean that he's necessarily more underrated for what he does. But there still might be a section of people who don't fully. understand like how good drew is but i don't i really just it's keegan murray just just pick him we'll move on you don't appreciate keegan murray right whenever we talk about the second i guess i don't i guess i guess he is underrated bro y'all are ridiculous in the chat the celtics fans are mad uh a

ariel says y'all just hate the celtics i just call them a hall of famer and said he's a best pruned defender of the modern NBA this is the opposite hate the celtics this is appreciating a celtic so much that he can't say he's underrated i can't hate the celtics more rare i can't hit the The poll right now has 55% Keegan, 45% Drew. We're rolling with chat this time. We're going Kegan Murray to move on. Chat, you are correct. Good job.

The next matchup. Interesting one. Julius Randall or Trey Murphy. It's Trey Murphy and he sweeps this 4-0. It's not close. Interesting. Trey Murphy is underrated not only by the national media, but he's also underrated by his own team.

because the pelicans refuse to give him the minutes that he deserves. And hopefully going into this season, we will see him as a starter. But as of right now, they haven't made any moves to free up the space to play Tray Murphy. So he might start this year on the bench again, where Tray Murphy can go on basically, basically like 26 other NBA teams and be a starter. chat is spamming Trey Murphy apparently it's not close people are saying Trey Trey Trey pretty easily I agree that's no sight to Julie Strando he's been an all-star already an all-N-B-A player all that other stuff

he's not underrated everyone knows who that is and knows how good he is too if we were making a bracket right now if this was March Madness Trey Murphy would be like number one overall C in this really in this oh so you think Trey's the most top four underrated player in the NBA yes I do all right yeah it's fair I mean listen

if we all know if he gets a chance to start he's gonna be like the high level role player that we talk about with the teammate herb Jones

with Nasreid with whoever like these guys that we look at is like premier six men premier fifth starters Jamie McDaniels

whoever Trey Murphy is literally just as good I agree my next one this is a good one Devin Vassel or Caleb Martin

Devin Vassel or It's Devin Boussel and it's not close. Caleb Martin's good. No, it's not. No, it's not. The Caleb Martin

insanity runs over in the front of that. Damn. Thank you. Thank you. If we were talking about, if Caleb Martin was the version, not even the full version,

if Caleb Martin was 65% of what he was in the Eastern Conference finals a couple years ago, every night, yeah, he could probably give it. All right. I just tried to sell it. Sorry, okay.

I know. I was going to go, sell pretty easily. Everyone's like Vesel, somebody said Vassel's actually overrated. Wow. If Caleb Martin had to play the rest of his NBA career against the Celtics,

hey, he's one of the 15, 20 best players in the NBA. Sadly, scheduling don't work like that. All right, man. Listen, I wouldn't have put Caleb Martin in the bracket at all. I wouldn't have even thought about him, but I saw him a few times in the comments. I put him there. Maybe there was just a couple of 76ers friends that skewed the vote, but he's out of there.

Desmond Bain or Cam Thomas Desmond Bain or Cam Thomas Hey man What's the what's the demographing Hey I put Cam Thomas in this bitch Because the crayon eaters love Cam Thomas And there's a lot of comments about him He is the least

He's the least underrated player on this list by far That is not underrated whatsoever A lot of people know he's a bucket And that's all it is to him I would lean to Desmond Bay for sure you know I'm yawning in it I know I was a big guy's yon I was giving you a second to let a breathe

Moment of silence for you on Yeah I guess Someone said is Russell Westbrook on this list Fucking obviously not Yuck Donovan any words That's been being for sure The playmaking is super underrated

Yeah One of the better shoes in NBA Oh my God Bade has 91% of votes right now This is voting right now Why did you over 100 people have voted It's 93% pain Damn

I mean I did a hundred I'm my vote too Well I thought maybe I was like Maybe I'm just wrong Maybe people like Cam Thomas more than me But there we go This is a resounding blowout

That's almost embarrassing Norm Powell or Andrew Nemhard Norm Powell or Andrew Nemhard Everyone spammy Geo in the chat Love it I'm going to Andrew Nemhard. I'm going to Andrew Nemhard, for sure. I think...

Norm Powell's very underrated, too, though. Like, I get Nemhard had his crazy playoff run. Norpelle's a very good score. He's a very good six-man, like, reliable. Like, he's a legitimately very good player. And I think people just think about him as, like, a throw-in, just a guy on the clippers. But, like, if they're

going to be solid next year, they probably let Paul George walk because they have full confidence, Norm Powell can give you 70% of production. And I don't think that's really thought about. I don't hate... 70% of production is nasty because there's a whole defensive end behind that too, but I understand what you're saying.

Like the buckets will be there and they're not really worried about their defense. Yeah. And Nemhart again. Norm Perl, recency bias. Nemhart was crazy last time we saw him in a playoff setting. But does that make it more underrated than Norm Powell? Norm Powell is very underrated. Norm Powell feels like a great matchup, bro. This is a great matchup. This is tough.

I feel like Norm Powell at this point feels more like a known commodity where like, yeah, like he's just knowing power like you just you just know that he's going to come out and he's going to give you some buckets you're going to give you some defense he's going to do a little bit of this a little bit of that where nemhard still plays in indiana and there is a boost in the underratedness that you get when you play in indiana of plus five so there might be that like that might put him over the edge

where Norm Powell plays in LA You man, Nemhart plays in Indiana Yeah, plays in LA Come on, it's the fucking Clippers That doesn't count as plays in L.A. The Chargers play in L.A. too. They don't get no clout boosts. They're the Chargers.

Same thing as the Clippers. You don't pretend that the Lakers here. I would say Nemhart's probably more underrated because Don't bring your team into it. Do not bring the charges into it. The Clippers still have more clout than the Chargers.

No, they don't. They just have Kauai Leonard at this moment. When Kawhalander leaves, they will have zero cloud again. They do not have more cloud than anybody. All right. Start another poll right now. Quick, quick side-taker. Who has, who has less cloud?

Who has more clout? The Chargers or the Clippers? I mean, the Chargers have the Cloud from the San Diego days, but they don't have a local fan base. But I don't know, actually. The Clippers have, the Clippers probably have more. When did the Chargers move? Like five years ago.

Oh, God. It's been a while now, like, 2019, like 2018, maybe? It's been a while. Damn. They still don't have anything. Yeah. Dude, this is the closest poll so far. Right now it's 50.

Oh, actually, it's 50-50 now. It was 52% Norm. Now it's 50-50. I will lean towards Andrew Nemhardt because I feel like to the average casual NBA fan, if you go ahead and if your team gets norm power in a trade, you're going to be a little bit more excited than Andrew Nemard where you're going to get the same overall production

from both of these players because I think they're pretty, get better. Like tears, you know? You're definitely going to get better with both, but I think they're going to, like, look at Andrew Nathmore or just, like, a guy. What's who has a higher 2K overall? That should be factoring it to this, too. That helps.

I have no idea. But Nemhard got up to 54% of the poll, so we're going with the chat. Nemhore continues. This is he'd be such a nasty bracket of these crazy-ass conversations. We're moving the goalpost like a mug. All right. You have to. It's an inherently unsubjective conversation.

so it's going to be nonsense the whole time. All right, real quick one. Trace Jackson Davis or Jeremy's Ho-Hun. Go cook, Mo. I don't know. I think Jeremy's like a little bit hated now. Yeah, because of the point guard thing. People think he's like fucking dog shit.

Yeah, exactly. And also on top of that too, he has like random beast with like LeBron and so people were just like, oh yeah. So. He was beeping with bro? Yeah, he was like, what was he saying? I forget.

he said some shit post-game and also like during the game too he had like a mini scuffle with a bronze he tweeted about it too he could trolling the fans basically I think he was just like not bowing down to the king and everyone was like wait a minute respect him wait a minute respect him how dare you we gotta go sohan so han people because of the wemby point guard thing

think sohan's a worst player in the NBA because pop had him in a ridiculous role that's very funny going to Jaylon Johnson or grace and Allen Gerson Allen was the most efficient three-point shooter in the NBA last year. Yeah. No one cares. No one of the guys dirty and we hate them.

It doesn't matter. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Ted Cruz. I kind of want to say Jalen Johnson, though, because Jalen Johnson should have been most improved, but the injury stuff got in the way. And I think he would have like broken out onto the scene. So now we have to do this whole thing for another year about, oh, y'all don't really understand.

The Hawks are actually okay because they have Jalen Johnson. Like they're they're building something or they have a piece. And Gracie Allen, yes. Again, shout out to you. Do it again. I just want to see. Do it again. I just want to see.

Do it again. It's hilarious. All right on the poll. We got 55% Grace and Allen. People are still voting. Let's see what you guys think. So Jalen Johnson probably has. he's a bigger gap though between how good he is and people think he is you know people hate grace now

i'm sure but like he's just a good role player it's not that big of a deal jalen jonathan's like low key on like maybe low level all-star trajectory one day can he be as good as somebody who's made an all-star one or two times you're right i think considering like what his ceiling potentially could be which is like sneaking in an all-star two three or max four times throughout his career right a lot of people that's all the fame that's all the fame that's Hall of Fame stuff. Four All-Stars Hall of Fame? That's what is. You can get into the Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Whatever. Speaking into an all-star game, I think I'm a lean towards Jalen Johnson way because they don't understand how truly like highest ceiling is. Let's go Jalen Johnson.

Let's keep it pushing. Chat voted Jalen Johnson. I agree. So we don't got to show grace now on too much love. Shout out of making the list. Payton Pritchard or BAM out of bio. Bam is one of the most slept on stars. People don't quite realize just how good he is. But Payton Pritchard gets no burn and people swear he's a bucket.

So like, I don't know. That's a hard one. Payton Pritchard is a 79 overall in 2K. Yeah. That's pretty high, actually, for what he's done. That's very high. For a guy who doesn't play?

That's pretty much. 79. He's almost an 80. You're telling me that the Celtics have 80 overall. as the 12th man he's good that's so generous they gave him a three overall boost for hitting one shot in the finals because oh my god you guys are paid picture haters what did i just step into just now what is going on rated bam's like never one of d p oi somehow people don't think about him

in this like best center conversation when he's extremely high i remember one time i said he's better than it's a bonus and all hell broke loose in the comments like what are you fucking talking about bam is so much better like people do not take people take him for granted because he's not like aesthetic loopies and score he's also legitimately the fourth best set like he's there's no there's not really a lot of wiggle room he is four it's like

it's him or wendy like they're pretty close like it that's only competition I again the fact that Peyton Pritchard is a is a 79 overall now mind you you know who else was the 79 overall Grayson Allen

oh come on who else was 79 overall Norman Powell so was that Peyton Pritchard just got married Come on, man. Shout out him. Oh, he did. Shout out him. I hope it's a great marriage.

Doesn't make him more underrated than Bam. Bam, Monta. Bam, it is. That's great. Next one. Jared Allen or Anthony Simons. Jared Allen. Just because he's swaggerless and he's a nerd.

And then he had the, he had the quote where he was like the lights are too bright. So everyone kind of, you can. you can duck on him for that. But Jared Allen's nice. His offense has gotten so much better over the last couple years where people might just think about Jared Allen as being this like, you know, defensive shot blocker. No, he can get some buckets too.

He can do that. Oh, for sure. Yeah, Jared, we talk about it. I think Jared Allen's on the most underrated players in the entire NBA. You free him from the shackles of playing next to another center, essentially, and both guys are going to look a lot better. That's clear.

Anthony Simons is dope. pretty underrated but like just a little bit you know like we still have he has a lot to prove that he is deserving most of his underratedness is like projecting like I think he could do this if given a certain circumstance or whatever we know what Jared Allen's capable of and a lot of people don't Jared Allen is that good no slight to Anthony Simons like when it comes to all the names that we've put out so far on this list I would probably lean towards Anthony Simons he should escape for the second round of this but Jared Allen is just naturally like that on top of that he's Jared Allen no one knows he's like that I love the chat right

know everybody that has like their avie is like their favorite player or their favorite team they're all spamming so and so better be on this list so and so better be on this list it's like so much of like my guy better be on this list someone said kuzma should be on this list you're crazy why would it could be he's 28 what are you talking about i'm kuzon underrated i guess but it doesn't have to be on the list you know it's not like it's not a grand tragedy if he's not and he's not i'm sorry if you break it to you how kuzma okay someone says Simone Fontecchio. He should have on his list.

I forgot about him. It's a good, good pool. You can do numbers in Detroit for sure. See, I didn't just pull all the nerdy role players nobody knows about because then it wouldn't be interesting. I had to put a combination at different levels of player.

So Simone Fontecchio discourse would have shook the nation. Shook the nation. Nosweed or Scotty Barnes. Go ahead and cook, Isaac. You guys tell me, tell me what you guys think first because I got type this pool.

I think everyone understands how good Nazare he is. You had the governor of Minnesota, I believe, like, just went ahead and tweet Nas Reid about Minnesota's work. Bro, they were getting tattoos. They were getting tattoos of Nas Reid. He is literally forever cemented in Minnesota's hearts. Like, no.

That also means he's no longer underrated because everybody loves Nasreed. Everybody recognizes him as greatness. He is awesome. Was underrated heavily, even last year. But now, not so much. I think people really, he wants six men of the year. That's precisely how he should be rated as the best bench player in the league. league, not as like a huge superstar.

No, he's very popular rated now. And Scotty Barnes is shunned to Canada where NBA fandom goes to die outside of the borders where the Canadian fans ride for them. Shout out Canadians, but people in America don't give a shit about anybody that plays in Canada. So you're perpetually

going to be underrated if you play in Toronto. Yeah, these days I see more memes about Scottie Barnes than him actually as a player. So I'm leaning Scotty. Yeah. And every time that like there's a Twitter thread or something, something like a start bench cut and somebody includes scotty barns with whoever may be palibank caro

chat whatever he's so easily out every time everyone's like get his ass out of here and he should be those conversations it's not crazy yeah i agree all right and the chat also agrees we have 63% scotty barnes you know if you can blow out naus reed in a fandom poll that means you're pretty underrated because naus reed has shooters yeah Colin Sexton or Miles McBride Oh, we're getting nasty here Duce McBride Duce McBride

Duce McBride or Colin Sexton Two very over the players One's in New York One was in Utah Utah, yeah Yeah, you do this is the opposite of like a Clippers tact or whatever tax

We got to give like The opposite, what's opposite of a tag? A boost. We got to give a Utah jazz boost to everybody on this list because you get so underrated to play for that team. The stimulus check.

Stimulus check. Yeah, the Utah Jazz stimulus. It's got to go Colin Sexton. Someone said both are bums. There you go. So you know who's underrated because this guy thinks Colin Sexton is a bum.

That's outrageous. This guy thinks Duke bright as a bum. Maybe he's just a bozo. He should write is more top of mind. Maybe he's just good enough of that. For sure. Chat is spamming Colin Sexton

outrageously. Got to be called sexton. Ooh, a real nerdy matchup here, y'all. Aaron Neesmith or Denny Avdija. Give me Denny. Oh, wait. I don't know, actually. Come down.

Calm down. Relax. Aaron Neesmith is a demon on defense and the shooting is nice. But once he starts dribbling the ball, that's when it gets really dicey. But Denny Avdia doesn't have those issues. He's great at defense. Can handle the ball in transition, of course. And his shooting has taken a turn.

I'm leaning Denny FDia, not astoundingly, but pretty confidently because he's just Denny in Washington or he was in Washington now he's in Portland and everyone's like okay cool man Aaron Neesmith there's a part

of a conference finals run and he was not a small part A fraudulent one sure I agree they got lucky as hell with some injuries but nevertheless they made it

and they I don't know if they could do that without his wing defense you take away his perimeter defense who do you have left to guard anybody good not a lot he's carrying a lot defensively there

good obviously a great shooter this is close Denny has played in unsurious conditions for the last couple years like nobody knows what's been going on in Washington for the last two years if I told you right

that quietly they had lost 27 straight games right where the Pistons had lost 28 nobody would have known you would have still believe me because you would have been like oh yeah like it's the Wizards they suck I

I think it's Denny by a little bit I'm on the same time as Mo. I don't think it's a lot. But just because recently, Neesmith was able to get a little bit of shine in the conference finals. You had some nationally televised games where I would like to know when the last time Denny played on national TV. You might have like three nationally televised games

his entire career. It's Denny so easily, man. All right, Denny, it is. There we go. next one jdub or herb jones uh oh oh two of the most underrated players in the league two amazing players in the role

fan favorites this is tough somebody has to lose and i don't like that i randomize this order i never would have did this on i own accord because it hurts my soul i think i think her jones yeah i think herb jones don't vote who's better vote who's more underrated

yeah i think jalen williams is more Yeah. Herb Jones already has a stamp of approval from the entire NBA community and like also like the voters and shit like that too as one of the best defenders that the NBA has to offer. Like that has

straps and he's single-handling can carry a defense and that's crazy as hell considering he's just a regular size wing bro. Ain't none special bond. He doesn't have an Uber athleticism or whatever it is. Jalen Williams is viewed as a very good young player. Right? Like

B-Player. less young player. I think he could be like a star star. Do you agree? Yes, but the average fan wouldn't agree with you. I agree. Exactly. So he's viewed as like really good and promising. He's cool, sidekick to Jada to Shea,

but I think he could be like a top 15, 20 player in the league one day. Herb Jones is viewed as a really good role player. He's a really good role player. Like I don't know if the gulf is as big as it is for J-Dub. No, I think, no, J-Dub is, yeah, I think we're all on the same page. J-Dub is more underrated. But that's only because of, like,

his role in the NBA. Exactly, exactly. Most people don't know. Most people look at him and see him as like a second, third option, while a lot of us realize that if he were to be a first option or just have more responsibility

on a non-Thundered team, he could be like as good as your favorite young players. And I think that's the disconnect here is, right now chat has 57% Herb Jones. And I think they're mistaken that because less people know Herb Jones, but that doesn't necessarily the question, right?

Underrated is how big is the gulf between how they're perceived and how good they actually are? And I don't think people quite realize that J-Dub could be like as good as like, I mean, maybe not even say names, but he could be like a Scotty Barnes conversation. Yeah, you know you want to say that? Sure, as Powell, Scotty Barnes, Chet, like he's as good as all these guys. Yeah, I agree.

I'm not going to... He's more underrated. Yeah, but if you were to tell that to... If you were to tweet that, Isaac or something like that, they'll be like, you're such a moron. You don't know anything. L-Mind or whatever, though. But also, 2K gave him an 88 overall, which is outrageously high.

They gave him an 88. They gave everybody to playoffs a stupid boost. Maybe we don't got to disregard 2K because they did some stupid shit in the playoffs last year. They got a cat Ria in 95. Jadab is also coming off. Oh, wow. That's actually ridiculous. 95?

No, he was in 94 and Anthony Edwards was in 95. Okay. Jadab is coming off of a very bad playoff run. So there could be. a section of people that are going into this year and being like, see, he's not really that good. He's not, like, he doesn't have that, that kind of ceiling. He can't do it in the playoff.

So I feel like we're all on the same picture. It's Jaylon Williams. All right. Well, the three of us outweigh chat. Sorry, y'all. We're not going through you. You lose. 55% voted Herb Jones, and we don't give a fuck.

Uh-huh. Jaylon Williams, you continue on. It hurts to lose Herb Jones in a bracket of underrated players in the first round. tough decisions had to be made it's about matchups Kobe White or Trey Young another good one between like a

good role player no one thinks about and a very overhated star give me Trey Young yeah this is simple for sure Trey Young because he's simply overrated or overrated my bad

overhated on a continuous basis and Derek White has continuously gotten his flowers DJ Reddick over here in like November was given this man yeah my bad Kobe White oh this is Kobe White I thought

Derek White. I don't know why I said the thought Derek White. Hmm, hold on, hold on. This changes my answer, probably. Yes. But this changes my answer. Simple. This changes my answer. Although I'm a Tray Young stand for sure. It was a real shot. Of Kobe White

winning the MIP. MyP award. It started off as Tray Young at 75. Now it's plummeting. Now it's a 67%. What? He's long and hard about this one, Jack. Because this is interesting. I'm going to go Trey as well, just because I think he's besides Jason,

Tatum and Joelle Embed, he's the most hated star player in the league right now. And I don't think he should be. I think he's very good. I think he's commonly talked about as being overrated and not a winning player and all this bullshit, which I just think is not true. And sure, Kobe White is, I don't even think Kobe White is that's left on. I think he's good, but he's just getting good, right? Like, last year was his first year really making that jump.

And, like, it was more like a showing promise jump that, like, oh, he's about to be something. He's not necessarily anything great yet. It's like, I don't know how good he can be. That's why I'm just like. I can't really gauge, get a gauge on him. Yeah, he's a good player, but I don't know if I necessarily view him as like a star in the making

that people need to really wake up or anything. Yeah, or like an essential piece to like a championship to our team or a sought after piece, someone like Danny of Dia is because who the hell is like moving, what lottery team is making moves like that that we've seen for Portland did for Danny of you.

Like, it's just rare. It's a clear fit, and I don't know if Kobe White is viewed it in that same light. Yeah. And the chat still has, 37% Tray Young. I think we've got to go against the young MIP

MIP hopeful. Yeah, let's do it. That team's gonna be so weird, man. Is Josh Giddy gonna start? Lonzo Balls back too. Maybe. That team is nasty. Dyson Daniels or Derek White.

Dyson, I'm... I'm going to Dyson Daniels. Is Derek hiding even underrated anymore? Derek, there's all-star combo for Derek White. Like, do we even call him a limited underrate anymore? There we go. He's an Olympian. Yeah, you can't underrate an Olympian.

Yeah, he got to team USA. He's a gold medal. He got picked over Jalen Brown, bro. He got picked over the finals MVP of his own team just for the love of the game. I think Dyson, I also, this is a bad matchup for sure for Derek White because just because, like, he would lose in the first round against anybody. But Dyson Daniels, in my opinion, will be genuinely one of the most underrated players in the entire NBA going in.

to next year was last year as well because he's just like in a swamp of just super talented perimeter players in New Orleans. But his perimeter defense and just his knack for just being in passing lanes and knowing how to move his feet and also. I'm just telling us a lot of Hawks

propaganda. I forgot. I'm just being real. I'm just being real. I'm being real. He's so good. I'm going to mute you. He's so good. It's so good. He's so good. Mute me. I'll destroy this entire channel. It's so good. It's so good. someone said in a vacuum

I'm taking Derek White for sure Derek White is much much better but he's also much much more recognized in Dyson Daniels

yeah exactly someone said where is Julian Strother I did not think to put Julian Strother on this list but that's solid name

we'll see if he can really come clutch this year and replace KCP All right on to the second round the round of 16 we're moving Aaron Wiggins

or Keegan Murray Aaron Wiggins mo and i will not elaborate this is tough this is tough because aaron wiggins again doesn't have no name recognition keegan murray's keegamore cool dude people recognize him here and there i guess i'll see i'll say erin wiggins but i what's really carrying him is like he's erin wiggins like his name is so unknown he might win this honestly because nobody outside that's what i'm saying He's probably the most underrated player in the league. Like the second that you said Wiggins earlier,

I was like, Andrew Wiggins, I'm like, why? You know? Like, that's what, like, correlates in my head. I hear Aaron Wiggins on my God. I think he might win. We made a TikTok, like maybe about a month ago now where I ranked my top 10 most underrated players. I think I had him at three.

It's like, he's very high up there. I think he might win this list. Could he start on a lot of teams? Someone said, who is Aaron Wiggins? See? So, my Chad doesn't even know. I don't even know what he looks like. Like, bro, damn, they can't put a picture to the face.

I know earlier, I only know this because I was editing and obviously pulling up pictures of these guys. But like a couple months ago, I googled Aaron Wiggins, tried to find a P&G of him to put a TikTok edit, and didn't even show his picture. It showed Luke Dort. The NBA website was glitched and didn't show his right face. It might be Aaron Wiggins.

Damn. Sorry, Kagan-Murray. I'm going to Aaron. Aaron Wiggins is the Linsanity Run continues. Trey Murphy or Devin Vassell? I'm going to trade Murphy Devin Vassell Devin Vassell gets it for one reason

or he loses for one reason that man got over $200 million dollars that man is paid like he is known and he is not moving on in my bracket his bank account is not his bank account no shout out to what does that to do with anything though

No, nothing. Well, it actually does have the stuff to do. But, like, he, he clearly, like, is a good basketball player. And the fact that, like, when everybody was hating on Sohan, it's like, man, it's Wembe, like, there's this other guy, like, Bissell, like, he's cool, too, you know? Like, it's just them too. Like, the fact that you had that boost and whenever Devin first got the contract, when you first get $200 million, then the initial shock of.

who the hell is Devin Vassel? Why is he got $20,000? Like, we're past all of that. He is, he's rising up. People kind of know that I'm sticking firm to this, that Trey Murphy, people don't know. They don't know that he is like as good as he is. And all of the shine on for the Pelicans wings

goes towards Herb Jones and not towards Trey Murphy. Yeah, I think in the same way that Wiggins is going to make a deep run because nobody knows him. Trey Murphy's going to make a deep run because his own team underates. him. Like, that is pretty hard to, like, you know, like, beat when your own team hide you on the bench

and doesn't give you a full shine. It's a good case. Okay. Okay, that's fair. And also, chat is what and Trey Murphy with 71%. One of the bigger blowouts of the day. I'm telling you, number one seed. Yeah, that's fair.

Desmond Bain or Andrew N. M. Hard. Desmond, Bain, or Andrew, and M. Hard. I'm going Bain. fucking easily. I think I'm going in Desmond Bain, too. Someone said Bain gets a lot of credit these days. Yeah, I guess so. But how much credit is you?

Nemhart feels more Nemhart feels more trendy rather than, oh, we actually like him and we actually think that he's a good basketball player. Again, the Pacers are coming off of this conference finals run, so he's fresh off of everybody's mind. So I think that

people are like, oh yeah, like I kind of can recognize him. Whereas the the grizzlies have been irrelevant for a year and a half now. I meet personally, I'm a lean numb hard, simply because I think people don't understand how essential a piece he is to the Indiana Pacers' future on him alongside Tyree's Palburn. Like, that's the pairing for the next five to seven years that they're going to build. I don't think it is. You say that. I don't necessarily, no, it's not. That's what I'm saying. No, it's not. He's not this, he's not this, like, young co-star.

What makes you say that? It's not, I'm not saying he's a co-star. No one ever said that. That's not the words I put on my mouth. He is a great backcourt partner who provides a lot of things. The Tyree's Halliborne, just simply does not have in his game when it comes to. Sure. He's a good player.

He's a good different paces. Defense is tremendous. Can be a good secondary pastor as well. Like, I think he is the guy that you want to keep there. If they're building a contender one day, I don't think NEMHAR is going to be the shooting guards started next to Tyrese Halliburton. I don't think it's like, again, this isn't anything to do it. with the underrated in this category. It doesn't make it worse. No, no, this isn't anything to the underrate category, but what you're saying

of like he's as foundational piece next to Tyrese, you're describing it like they found like the young Paul George, who's like the perfect fit next to Tyrese and like it's gloving fan. He's very, very good. I like him a lot. I don't view him quite on that level. I think he's, he's like, I don't want to say he's like a foundational piece,

but he's like a building block to help to like cement your legitimacy as a team. And yeah. Okay. That's what he is. With your reaction right there, in my mind, he already won this fucking braker. No, it was just like, he already won. He's just the block.

I was like, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Just a piece there. Let me think of this. But okay, right, listen, he's underrated for sure. I feel okay with Bain winning this specific matchup. I'm going to Bain. People in the comments in the pod have been noticing that Moe fucking loves the Indiana Pacers.

last year he was writing for what's his name Bennett Matherin The guy who was originally the foundational Peace next to Tyrese Now it's Nymard You're at for Siakum Jaris Walker Toswani You are a Pacers fan

Don't ever say that I'm not I don't You are Affiliated none in Indiana No no no no no no no No no You love the Pacers it's okay You could love the Pacer it's fine

People like Indiana You can be one of them Say that in public Holy shit man I don't love the Pacers It makes sense, so. He loved, he's a Paul George fan, right? That too. Yes.

I don't love the Pacers. You're not beating these allegations, Pacers, man. I'm going to get you a Pacer's jersey. If Tyrese Halliborne was like really cool, you would be riding for the Pacers all day. I think you might just be ashamed because Tyrese Halliburton is getting a lot of jokes right now. But you like those. They're cool. Just live your truth.

Just live your truth as a Pacers fan. It's okay. It's not my truth. God. Someone said Donovan addressed the corn allegations. Man, listen, so we was out eating ramen. And first of all, I ordered extra corn with mine because I wanted, I just wanted to put corn into my ramen. I didn't think that they would put it enough.

They brought out a big side bowl of corn. A mountain. They did. And they brought it to me. Mind you. Everybody else at the table also got extra corn. However, just you.

It was not just me. It was not just me. It was not just you. Because the corn was so big, you were able to share it, right? So everybody was able to share off a one bowl. But then by the time my came,

because I was the last person to get to get my bowl, there was like three bowls ramen in front of me. And then Isaac felt the need to lie and just to, and I get it, right? Jokes over facts, right? Look at this picture. And now everybody thinks that I'm just like over here, munching on corn all the time.

That wasn't me. That wasn't me. Look at this. There's a mountain of corn in his bowl, a secondary thing of corn next to him. And this big ass thing of corn right here in the front. Look at, I'm telling you right now,

this corn, the one that's in my bowl right now is like half of the bowl. And look at the bowl closest to Isaac, right? That is because that's his corn. That's not mine. I didn't know the corn. Corn investigation. I had no corn to my ramen.

I did not order that. It's not mine. I never asked for corn. It's not mine. And I, and I was pegged as this like crazy corn-loving guy who just orders mad sides. I didn't know that one,

it was that big, and they weren't all mine. I didn't order three-sided corn. Man, it's a corn lover. Someone said, bro, spawn camps, corn. I was very upset I went back to the list Jeremy Sohan or Jalen Johnson

Uh go Jalen Johnson So on is cool but I do feel like he's a little bit closer to his ceiling than Jalen Johnson is and

and once again like we still haven't seen Jalen Johnson play at that level for an extended period of time because of the injuries last year. So I'm going to take, I'm going to take Jalen Johnson. Okay. I agree. Yeah. Again, I think he's one of the guy who has a bigger golf between his perception and his ceiling. And I think that means a lot for an underrated talk of like, we think this guy's about to be really, really good. So I'm cool with that. True. We move. Oh, bam out of bio or Jared Allen. See, this is

Okay, okay I think Bam's kind of underrated But he is an Olympian He is a DPOI finalist He is all these things And that we think he is There's a little bit more recognition

But it's like a little bit more recognition You know Not like we're saying He needs to be heralded as an MVP Jared Allen Gets no recognition at all So I think it's got to be Ellen Yeah, he's one of the best

I don't know Maybe eight best centers in the entire NBA, and no one treats him like that. No one is like, is like, is like, is like Jared Allen is a problem. Not to say that he is. But he kind of is a lot of eight pieces of time. Is he the sixth best center in the league right now? I don't know. I won't say that off the top.

But he might be like eighth or ninth like Bob said. Yeah. Who do you have a head of top top top top top. Hey, yeah, we're recording our top, our centers. Oh, true. I forgot about that. I forgot about that. We'll have the conversation literally this time tomorrow.

But listen, he's going to be in the top ten. I'll tell you that. So I'll spoil that much. He's in the top ten centers. See, now I have to think. Scotty Barnes are Colin Sexton. Colin Sexton. Scotty Barnes.

I think I might lean Colin Sexton. If Colin Sexton's treated like he's Norman Powell these days. And he's a better version of Norman Powell. Sorry. Colisexion's treated like he's nobody for sure He's treated like he's like actively bad And like not a winning player Yeah they give him like

I don't know they just don't they don't A lot of people don't see and understand The proof production and value that he brings Yes they don't What's stronger? The jazz stimulus or the Canada stimulus They both give you a boost of not caring One guy's out the country

Yeah In Utah that's worse than out the country Drake don't fuck with the Raptors anymore like that either. You don't be showing him to games like that as soon as the while up. Well, that's more of a Drake issue rather than a Scotty Barnes issue. That doesn't fucking matter. Is he just out because Scotty Barnes is there? Does he not focus

Scottie Barnes? No, I mean, he's out because he's not like, you know, he's not really like that. He took that job for some clout. And then he moved down here to him. He's Captain Houston. Exactly. He got a Texas license too. Shout out to Joaquin 37 for tipping $4.71. He

said, yo, I'm here. Sorry, I'm late. Why'd you got to start with that with me? You got that in, put those locations on. I tried to tell these folks, wait, Joaquin, not here yet, bro. We had like 300 people waiting. There's always like little, just like little things in your voice

whenever you say certain names. Anything ethnic? Joaquin, he's going to start salsa dancing. Why you swing your head with it? Shout out to Dylan Warren for tipping $3. He said Moe was a closeted Pacers fan and Donovan is a corn addict get them some help I'm not

What's wrong with being a Patriots fan Not saying that I was one But why do I need to get help Right now Scotty Barnes has 56% of the votes in the chat Again it's a conversation of Star who can be a really great Like superstar maybe Or really good role player

That's viewed as a nobody You know what? I'm changing my mind I'm going Colin Sexton Yeah He ain't Colin so He wasn't awesome Scott Scottie well was he a replacement either way he was on the team

yeah so I'm going to lean Scott Colin Sexton for sure okay well there you know Colin Sexton obviously but quality quality player Denny or J-dub J-dub underrated when it comes to under raid

I think I might lean Denny because people just simply don't know how good he is even to see him today was a top picked for Washington a couple years ago. When I say how good he is, I mean, like, yo, he's like a legit, like, rotational piece and he could be a starter on a lot of things. That's simply it.

Okay, well, if you're saying that people will sleep on him and he could be a starter is like the mountain top, J-Dope can be a superstar, I think. That's like a, that's a bigger golf, I think. Okay, I just, so my thing is I disagree when you say, like, he can be like top 15 in the NBA. I'm like, he could be like top 25, 20 comfortably for sure. He can be as good as Jaylon Brown is right now.

I don't find I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't disagree it's just Jalen Brown's really good he's he's very good there's no slight to Jalen Brown I think Jalen Brown is fantastic I think Jada can be just as good as Jalen Brown if that's the belief with how the NBA views Jalen Williams still or right now I guess you can lean Zadab that's not terrible yeah and again a lot of people view him as a good But when they say J-Dub is good, I think they view it as like J-Dub can be, I don't know, Aaron Gordon, like a high-level player next to a superstar forever. And I think he's so far past that.

I think he's legitimately like almost top-tier young star. Who do you follow on Twitter? Because I feel like you say this. I feel like like you say this a lot. But also at the same time, like I don't see necessarily that much disbelief in J-Dub. I think it's like fandom for J-Doh. No, it's not a hate. It's not hate.

It's not like Tray Young situation. I think it's just a not on top of mind thing, you know. I actually do remember Jackson Frank said that J-dub is a top 30 player right now. Yeah, he's a journalist I follow. He tweeted one time that J-Dub is a top-30 player right now, and he got ratio to high hell. So there's been a few people that have gone on these hills of J-Dub currently and have gotten knocked out of the paint for it.

But I don't really care about that too much. I think it's more just like he's not on top of mind because he's the second option, because he's behind Chet and Shay, that people just don't put him these calls. Convo. She's not in these thoughts at all. When people think of OKC, do they think of like, when it comes to the second best part, do they think of Chet or J-dub? I think I'm leaning towards

Chet probably. Or at least he gets more notoriety. That's tough though. That's hard. I might go Chet too, but that's, they're neck and neck. I'm not thinking about like who's better. I'm just thinking about who do people like recognize more. And I'm thinking Chet. Yeah, sure. Right now, right now the poll is 53% J-Dub, 47 Denny. It's close. It's going back and forth. Someone said I'm a Thunder fan. Man, I have zero ties to the state of Oklahoma. I would rather go anywhere else but Oklahoma. I have no love for the Thunder as an organization. Damn. So much you don't freak with the Thunder. Okay. Jada bit is. Oklahoma's whack, man. Oklahoma's so whack. As a state, it's whack. I rock

with the Thunder. They're one of my teams this year, but the state of Oklahoma is terrible. You said like you made multiple trips there before in your life. I have made multiple trips to Oklahoma. it's awful. Oh, damn. Damn, okay. They're all spam and talking about how much I love Oklahoma. They're all saying I love the Thunder. I do.

I'm very high on the Thunder players, but just because I think those three players are incredible, nothing to do with the Thunder themselves. Fares 22, tip $5. He said, Isaac is a bigger J-Dub stand, the Mo is a Pacer fan. That's unbelievable. That's not true.

That's not true. No, it's not. No, that's very true. You've been on, you've been, your tenure with OKC and J-Dub specifically has been much longer than my tenure with the Pacers. I've like still built it up But yours has been disconnected

Because you started with Ben Matherin Yeah and I haven't said shit about them For like a minute And then I was like Ender Ninhard dude is kind of cool You put Jared Walker As like one of the 20 best power forwards In the league

Isaac's relationship is much longer So therefore he is I don't know It's about the same Okay I'll take it whatever Joaquin 37 said This is for you Mo You pronounce my name wonderfully

Like my mama intended See? I know. I know I got too a key. An Axel took $1. He said Don is not a glazer, but he is a corn muncher. He got caught in 4K. Come on, man. That's not what happened. As the renowned corn lover, do you prefer it like that in the bowl or on a cop? He loves the cop. He's a coper. I can tell you that. Oh, shit. He didn't even say anything about that. Dude, these allegations are pressing right now. I'll say this. I'll say this. I'll say this. I'll say this. I'll say this. I do the corn on the

comment is really good, man. And at least the way that it was served to us in the ramen spot, surprisingly cold. And I was actually kind of, it wasn't, it wasn't good. Corricana Stewart, that's you. This man's not being the court allegations. Anyways, J-Dub got 59% of the vote. We're going with Dub. Sorry, Denny FDia. Trey Young or Dyson Daniels? Ooh, same team? Same team and Dyson.

I think Dyson Daniels should be a starter. Trey and Sri Young, like, cool. I think Dyson Dio should be a starter, and it shouldn't be without, like, real question. And I think that he's probably not going to end up being a starter day one. Preyung so overhated, though. People talk about, I've seen people say things about Trey Young that, like, are so outlandishly hate.

people call him like the most overrated star of all time, the least winning player in the league, just like truly spiteful things about his style of play. Fun fact, you know how I know Trey Young is like really overrated? Whenever I say he does like the most historic, like he's a historic player y'all like, you like scoff.

Oh, that's because you're in love. Three players in history. That's because you're in love. Who have averaged 25 and 10 multiple seasons. Russell Westbrook, no. Russell Westbrook, Oscar Robinson, Tray Young. Bitch. there we go.

Put them on us list. Run it. There we go. You can't name any other NBA players who did that. No LeBron or Curry, no, no, Luca, Yokic. Just those three right there. All right. Trey Young wins, whatever.

Save it. We're on to the elite eight, y'all. We're almost done with this bracket. And this is, this might, this should have been the finals, but the bracket broke the wrong way. Aaron Wiggins or Trey Murphy. I'll say this.

The winner of the bracket's coming out in this matchup right here. Probably. damn i love i see not i'm not going to lie i like errin wiggins a lot love is a very strong word um i like erwin wiggins a lot he i'm going to tray murphy he's not trey murphy he's not terry murphy nobody is he's so good very few wings in like the role player category are as good as tray murphy i agree i don't i don't i'm not super strong about either right now because i'm just like i've never seen anybody talk about erin wiggins on any podcast

or anything like that. But Trey Murphy has been talked about before. Raj and Rondo and DeMarcus cousins and Rachel Nichols or whatever had like a segment and they were talking about I think DeMarcus was talking about how Trey Murphy can be a creator and some more shit and Rondo was like,

huh, really? And that, like he gets his shine. I've never seen that. And that clip alone has the deciding factor for me. I think I'm mainly. That's a good point. I mean, see, Wiggins is like a cheat code because he's the most under-talked about role player in the league in terms of like awareness.

So like, if we're being, In the spirit of underrated, if we don't let our biases of thinking Trey Murphy's better beat us, Aaron Wiggins is far less known, and he's very good, too. I think I'm leaning in here again. He's not. It's not about who's better, though.

No, but I'm saying even like the gap between how good they are slash candy. Chat, make sure you all vote. We got to know about this one. This is a tough one. Versus is what people. people think about them right like if you look at tray murphy stats right now again still still very still very solid right last year average 15 and 5 that's that's still really really good

but you might look at him and just be like okay like it's it's okay he's still coming off the bench on his own team the fact that he has to overcome his own teammate not really not really known like that and there's an entire unknown ceiling to tray murphy's game that that that we never know. Aaron Williams had to overcome his own team too. I mean, Josh Giddy was eating up all in minutes consistently throughout the regular season

and a lot during the postseason too. Yes, but that was, I consider that more coaching gain competence by Dagnol rather than like notoriety. Mm-hmm. And yeah.

And because like the Pelicans yes, you do have to play Trey Murphy more. You also have to figure out like you have to ship people out of town to play him where the Thunder could have just played in Wiggins all along and it actually would have been better for them. Some of the chat

Matthew said, tell Donovan to call his dad and see if he knows who Aaron Wiggins is. That is a great way. Call your dad. Ask him tell him to name you three defining characteristics of ask him if he knows Aaron Wiggins and after that ask him to tell you something about his game.

here we go if he can't do it Aaron Wiggins wins and he probably wins this fucking bracket and then ask him if he knows Stray Murphy too which he probably does hopefully he doesn't sell dude I hope he answers

this will be so funny can the answer okay wait hold on listen listen I know okay hold on I'm putting you on speaker you're on stream right now

I'm asking we're trying to figure out who's more underrated right now I have I'm at the airport I'm at the airport I'm Uh, no. Okay. All right. I'll talk to you next.

Never mind. Okay. Never mind. My sister's coming back. Dang. She messed everything up. Anyway, I'm going to do. Right now Wiggins has 51% of the votes. It's outrageously close. Y'all keep voting. This list, we need to get this poll to like 300 votes before I can fully decide who wins. Keep spamming it up because right now 51% Wiggins, 49% Murphy. I want to go, Trey Murphy, because I, I, I,

I think he's, like, legitimately extremely good and the crazy high ceiling. But nobody knows about Aaron Wiggins. Yes, you're right, but how, okay, so I shouldn't be saying this because I'm already set in stone, but to probably help you come closer to a conclusion, when it comes to Trey Murphy's ceiling,

what does that look like to you? What does Trey Murphy's ceiling look like to me? Approximately the value of, no, he made an all-star team. I was going to say Chris Milton, but he's an all-star, so I can't say that. But something similar. He's not going to be quite as good of a one-on-one score, but he's a way better defender. I think if that's the case, then it should be Tray Murray.

No, better Michael Porter Jr. Better Michael Porter Jr. Just below All-Star level, I think. Maybe he can sneak into an all-star, but, like, highest level of role player where he is an elite shooter, a elite versatile defender can create with a ball in his hands a little bit, but he's not quite asked to because he's a lot of good teammates. Something like that. I don't know who I'm describing, but maybe McHale Bridges maybe, but I don't know. That's maybe a little too much.

You're thinking about the idealized version. You're thinking about how Maasai was looking at OG. Yeah, yeah, I guess. But who was that in reality? I don't know. All right, my father, I texted him the question. He knows who Trey Murphy is. He does not know who Aaron Wiggins is.

Aaron Wiggins, you win. You win the dab to contest. There we go. And he also has 52% of the votes right now. So Aaron Wiggins, congratulations on your video. No, upset. You have made the final four, Aaron Wiggins. Wow.

This is the most clock he's gone in his life, probably. I'm just kidding. Just lying. Desmond Bain or Jalen Johnson? Jaylen Johnson. Yeah, Desmond Bain probably gets a little bit too much credit compared to Jalen Johnson. He's already there as an area player, and people know how good he is already, I feel like. Talks a lot of shit, too.

Okay, Jailen Johnson continues. We'll fly through that one. Jared Allen or Colin Sexton? Jared Allen. I don't know Colin Sexton's kind of similar to Aaron Wiggins in this like completely overlooked conversation I don't yeah I don't want to put Jared out on there

because when it comes to like Cleveland and their issues and stuff like that no one ever points everyone understands like that dude is good like he's not an issue whatever whenever people criticize Cleveland is Darry's girl and Evan Mowley they also don't understand because they don't think about Jared

outland both things can be true Let's do a poll Sexton or Jared Allen, y'all Who is making the final four? We have two of the four people Set in stone already Who was joining them on the other side of the bracket?

Let me pull up Colin Sexton stats Because I forgot I'm going to be average before that It's an efficient option Okay, I know Yeah, how many points, Donovan Before you look at it? Just a, it'll prove a point.

It'll prove a point. I don't know, 17. 18, 18.7. And it was very good efficiency. All right. Last year, Colin Sexton, 18.7.4.9 assists, 2.6 rebounds shooting 49% from the field, 39% from 3. 86% from the free throw line. It's Colin Sexton. Someone said, Isaac, call your mom and ask who Jared Allen is. She's going to say, what the fuck are you talking about? Yeah. But the tax return, man? What's going on? Who the hell?

Right now, Sexton, has 51% of the votes. another very close one y'all keep expanding up this this uh pull yeah i didn't realize i didn't listen i didn't realize it was like that you're unfamiliar with this game yeah i i didn't i didn't realize the the counter numbers were like that well there we go sexton you move on if don was unfamiliar that means the world is yeah for the last spot in the final four very good matchup between two high level players j dub or trey young i got to go try young again tray young is the most hated guard I've ever seen for the stupidest fucking reasons. Just pure

vitriol thrown his way has to make him more underrated to me. I'm going to J-Dub. You're one J-Dub. I can't do. Trey Young gets so underrated. I've been so unbiased here throughout this entire thing. And I'm not going to let my bias has hit me

just yet. Why do you, why are you going Dave, Donovan? Because I think that there's still I feel like it's so easy it's so easy I do think

I don't know if I'll say this I'll say this I do think that there's still more people who think that Tray Young is like good than the other side and I think that the people who hate Tray Young are

extremely loud about it and so I think it's a very like loud loud minority um going against try young whereas across the board i don't think everybody realizes what um what jadam can do because i i do think that right now everybody understands that like okay c is still really good that you like you make the moves you get alex caruso that's a name that a lot of people know but last year it's like you have shea who's averaging 30 who's in the MVP and then everybody else. And not to say that, that everyone thought that he was carrying a whole bunch of bums, but it was like, Shea in tier one completely by himself. And then the next

person isn't until like tier three when I think that J-dub can be in a tier two or in a tier one B. I think Chet can be in a tier one B. And so you kind of have that going for J-Dove. That's what I'm going to him rather than Trey O. Wow. I hear you. I want to agree. Again, I don't think it's necessarily a super vocal minority. I think it's more of a majority than you would think. I think a lot of people dislike Tray Young more than you would realize. I mean, look, listen, I don't like Tray Young either, but at the same time, like, there you go. Yeah. My gauge on this is. Okay. Who do you think is, hmm, actually. Trey Young has 63% in a chat vote right now. I think right now my biggest gauge on like how underrated Tray Young is a lot of people think that Tyries Halliburant is better. Legit. Head to toe better than him as a player. And I think that's right there that tells me that Tray Young is still, Trey Young is still overrated as well.

So I'm a lean. Trey Young, you're winning the vote. Man, Trey, welcome to the final four. He's about to win this. Let him win something. Damn, bro. You shouldn't know like that. Okay, who cares?

First matchable to the final four. Aaron Wiggins or Jalen Johnson. If we let Aaron Wiggins beat Trey Murphy, he must beat Jalen Johnson. Aaron Wiggins, you're making the finals? That's true Put Air Wiggins Put him in the final There we go

Moving on I don't have much resistance Yeah nothing you can much say about that Colin Sexton or Trey Young If we let Trey Young beat J-Dubb You're beating Con Sexton Trey Young welcome to the finals I don't know though

I don't know Let's have the kind of Conn's really nice Okay okay let's talk about it Let's talk about it Again there's still a There's still more people at this point who are on the side that Trayung is good

then know that Colin Sexton even exists. Fair. We cannot forget the Utah Jazz stimulus. They get some points for that. These days, whenever people think, like the average basketball fan thinks about Colin Sexton, the immediate thing that they think about first is that time back when he was in college

and he had to play like 3B5 basketball in Alabama. Exactly. They don't think about him as like, the NBA. And another thing, too, is like, relax. Yeah, I think I'm, I might want to lean towards Colin Sexton because he's genuinely like that. And he elevates a team offensively immediately because

it's on and off all the way. The Sexman currently has 52% of the votes, but we're still at 90 votes. So, Chad, keep voting up. I need to, let me see the representation of both sides. And make sure you guys are clear that you're going with Sexton. It probably is Colin Sexton. Tray Young has been like this, his his entire basketball career from college to this point, Trey Young has been an extremely polarizing player.

And so he walked into the league and there were already people like, eh, no, he's not that good. He's not this. He's not that. So that portion of people is always going to be there where Colin Sexton again, people might forget that he's still in the league. But that target that was set on his back is because of stupid ass, like platforms like, you know, other companies at the time.

would be like, oh, like next Tray Young, blah, blah, blah, blah, and he can pass like, da-da-da, like. I mean, he was doing that, though. Yeah, you're right, but they're calling him. You know, like, it wasn't, I mean, it was the, I understand, I understand what you're saying. I am not here to debate whether or not he is the source of him

being overrated or underrated or not. All I'm saying is that Colin Sexton, may not like if we if we asked to chat right now did Colin Sexton I don't know average over 15 points per game last year how many of them would would get it right if we did if we did like a man on the street and did a who he play for and did Colin Collin Sexton how many people would know where Colin Sexton plays basketball do the chat keys bouncing back and forth it's exactly I know we make the final decision who you go donovan who are you going with final answer. One word. Sexton. Sexton. Mo?

I think I'm only with Trey. Oh my God. It's down to me. Yeah. I almost feel like when you're, when it's a superstar, like, there's an easy bias to go towards a better player, but I almost feel like that's okay when it's like a star people say is absolutely terrible, unwinnable type of play style. That unwinnable shit right there is what carries me because people act like he like you can't build around him no the hawks are just dog shit when it comes to building around anybody and that's like a dramatic level of underratedness that has like more weight to me than just not being known that's the ways the entire like perception of this and that's ways like who how people view him historically that's what it is okay no what what i just saw what

i was i was texting my dad back here i looked up and you guys picked tray young yeah yeah It was 50-50. I got to go with the guy who's literally a star, but treated like a bum. That's a different level of underrated than just not being known. No, no, no, no, no. Yeah, I'm sorry. In our finals, we have the most underrated star in the league, Trey Young versus the most underrated role-playing in the league, Aaron Wiggins.

Now, how do we base this off of it? The fact that you can call somebody a star, you are not underrated. Stop that. Aaron Wiggins, come to the front. Come to the front. raise your trophy let's pick a poll wiggins or trey and again it's most underrated not better obviously trey young's a better player but how do you guys view his perception around the world compared to erin wiggins somebody in the chats that erin wiggins isn't even good

that should show you erin wiggins underrated because this motherfucker fuck is volusional he's not a 15 16 minutes of power he's a gene leaguer yeah you do not that's ridiculous oh my god based off of that i'm just like all right bro let's put erringen that's not being underrated that's being overhated. My guy, that's the same thing. Two sides of the same coin. I just wish sometimes I could see Aaron Wiggins in an expanded role so I can have a better gauge

in how much I value someone like him. I think he's just as good as Andrew Nemhardt as the player. We need some basketball in our lives. Aaron Wiggins versus Tray Young Debates in the dead of the off season. This is why you show up. This is why you watch. This is the most T3.

This is why we play. the game and this is why you should leave a like on this damn stream over 600 people of y'all in here and only 425 likes really it should be 500 likes in here so was it donovan can i see the corn in your teeth when you get corn it gets all stuck in your teeth but air wiggins on in the final we can end the stream i can go erram gets a 61% of going against corn no i'm done being disrescations. And Wiggins. Chat, spam corn time.

It's time for Donovan go get his nightly corn. Corn, corn. Corn, corn, corn. Then you see the corn emoji spam in the chat. Put your corn lighters in the air. Peter. Aaron Wiggins, you're the most underrated

player in the NBA. And this is the end of this dream. We'll see y'all later for quarantine next week. Y'all suck. Thank you.