The Deep 3 Podcast - Ranking Every NBA MVP Candidate! | Ep. 29

Episode Date: March 23, 2023

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So at this point of the season, we have like 10 games left, and the playoffs are rapidly approaching. So we're going to talk about that a little bit later, specifically the playing race. But I think we have to open with talking about the MVP race, since that's been like the biggest topic of discussion in the past couple weeks. There's lots of opinions out there, mostly about Nicole Yokic. So let's do a big overview of the race and talk about where we all stand. It's gotten so nasty. It's gotten disgusting in these streets about the MVP race. Yep.

The most bad faith arguments ever. And it's annoying because this is one of the closest. most actually intriguing MVP races in a while now. Yeah. But the way people are talking about it is doing it such a disservice by acting like it's something that's not. A wash. Yeah. People from both sides act like it's a complete wash and there's a distinct winner.

There's no distinct winner. Yeah. That's preposterous. It definitely not distinct at this point. Yeah. Listen, they're, they're, people are trying to, it's funny. It's just funny that the MVP race is now like a race relations topic. Yeah.

Yeah. Exactly. And depending on what side you fall on, like, either going to be, you know, a certain type of person, you're going to fall into a very specific demographic, whichever time you're being on. They're like and white folks. Yeah. It's great, though. Man.

Yeah, so for people who don't know, for most this year, Nicole Yoko, she's been considered the not runaway favorite for MVP, but comfortably we think he's going to win it. And over the last seven games, they, not him, but the fucking Denver Nuggets, forgot how to win a basketball game. and they're two and five for the last seven games Yeah Which we'll talk about why that is Go ahead Mo

I was gonna say I don't even believe like over the last seven games Like the MVP Like ladder started to tilt a little bit For Nicola Yokic I think it all started when like Joel and Bede faced off Nicola A couple of games or maybe like

And got buckets on them All night long A whole bunch of them And then that's when everything started to sway And then you got guys like Well when it really started to sway what we alluded to when Kendri Perkins went on TV and said that he's winning these MVP because he's white and that these voters are implicitly biased and JJ Redick was like

oh hell not let me tell you about some fucking stats so that just started a whirlwind of the MVP discussion getting real nasty from both sides which we don't really get into that but I think Kendrick Perkins succeeded in making this a race like he started the narratives that have taken the MVP out of Yokish's hands potentially so congrats to him let's go let's go Well, that was my only hope. That was my only hope. I told you at the beginning of the season that voter fatigue was going to happen. And the only way it happened was because Kendrick Perkins said, you guys are racist and you have to get this black man this award or else all hell is going to break loose.

And so for my prediction. Exactly. From my prediction, Kendrick Perkins, thank you. I appreciate you. And I appreciate your work just for making, just for making me right. Because right now, Joel and B is the favorite to win MVP. He's the favorite, and he's actually very comfortable in, in terms of, like, odds and consensus. Like me, betting odds?

Yeah, in terms of betting odds. So, listen, it's right now it's looking like it's Embed's award to lose. I ain't going to lie. Congratulations, Kendrick Perkins, on continuing the, just degradation of NBA discourse online. Drew Hanlon, Joel Embed's trainer, has been fighting for this for years now. Oh, he's the most annoying guy in the world. As soon as Joel Embed wins, he's going to act like that motherfucker, won the NBA. he's going to add this to his resume he's one of the most annoying people on

twitter as soon because it's like this is not your place this is not what you're supposed to do you know he's one of the biggest like issues in terms of like the NBA basketball community talk or whatever you want to call it you know because it's like if i'm joel and beat i'm telling him shut the fuck up there's none of your business you know like you can't as his boy you can't tell him that like he's just looking out for him no but like so to be honest though he's He needed, I think Embed, he needs guys like Drew Hanlon and he needs guys like Kendrick Perkins, regardless of like what the argument is. But he needed something to bring him back in because aside from all the discourse, he's like legitimately been playing at an MVP level. Oh, for sure.

You know what I'm saying? And it's like his numbers and the things that he's been doing have been ridiculous. And over like, until the Nuggets forgot how to win games like you said, I think that like M.B. was going to get over. overshadowed again. And there's been a couple times, like over the past couple years, Embed's been overshadowed by Yokic. And he can go and put up 30 points a game and be one of the best defensive centers, defensive players in the league. And everyone's just looking at Yokch doing whatever he's doing. So I'm glad that Embed actually is able to get his shine. Regardless, again, it's kind of nasty how we got here. But the fact that he's getting his shine now is a hundred

percent deserve. For sure. That's the thing is that he's being overshadowed and the reason people tearing yokech down are just like non-intellectual very stupid reasons but the outcome is okay because joel and bd deserves a shine too like they both deserved it over the past few years so you can't be mad at it if joel and bead which i'm pretty sure he's going to win because lucas has been out over the last few yeah i don't know week or whatever and um if joel and bead wins this scoring title this would be the first time in 47 damn near 50 years since a center won a scoring title in back-to-back years bro. That's wild. And like that just goes to show like just how much of a talented and dominant era that we're in for the big man spot. And over the last three years or who were the

last three MVP winners? Was it Janus? Nicole and now Embed potentially. It's been Yoki's the last two and then and beat and then Yonis had two. The best two players in the world are all big man. And like here we are. Before we keep going about this, let's uh let's draw back a little facts. Let's bring in a little bit and kind of give people a frame of reference for this entire MVP discussion because we've been alluding to a lot of stuff but not really laying out where we're standing right now between the people that are in the race. So one, we have Nicole Yokic, who has been the odds on favorite for most of the year. He's been the one scene in the west and putting up one of the best offensive seasons of all time. But in the last seven games, his team's kind of

falling off partially due to him, but partially due to his teammates. Then two, we have Joelle and Bede who had a very slow start to the year when people were really questioning his, you know, ability to be in shape and take the season seriously. But then he turned it the fuck on and now he's averaging 34 points per game arguably having almost as good an offensive season as Yokic

and his team now has the same exact amount of wins as Yokic's team because of that slip. And then three, we're talking about two guys. We also want to talk about Yon and Sontra Kumpo who's in this race. His team is the best team in basketball now the one seed in the east,

has three more wins in the Nuggets. He's putting up 31 points per game, 12 rebounds, six assists. is probably the best player in the NBA So this is where we're at now So you guys have said that We're talking about it as like You know, Embed's gonna win

Deanna, I think Yonis has a chance No, I don't There's no real narrative for him Like, I... There's a best player, best team Like, that's always a thing Yeah, I know, but like there's no toxicity When it comes to that Yon is in the conversation

I feel like you have to have some toxic ass He doesn't have a country Perkins, you're right Fight for your life Exactly, bro You know Yeah Yeah, I think that's what we're at. Yeah, I think we're at the point, especially in Embed's career, where we are looking at him and we're looking at kind of what he's done over the last three years and saying it would be a shame if he retired and he doesn't have an MVP.

You know what I'm saying? Yannis has his two MVPs. He has a championship. Right now, that's all he's chasing. All we're judging Yonis by at this point is what do you do from May, June, and I guess early July or whatever, right? he's he's being judged by the playoffs Embed still has steps to go in terms of getting to a conference finals

getting into a finals and an MVP is a really big step in order to get there like for a regular season status so that's why I think Embed has the leg up over Janus especially in the Eastern Conference even though that Yannis' team

has a better record that's where Embed makes up a lot of that ground is because he has people pushing for him to have this on his resume because his play clearly deserves it okay well let's talk about it outside of the because we know these narratives have been created by the media person that we're talking about. Let's talk about

the actual performance on the court and who you guys think actually deserves it. I think that's more interesting. Okay. I still think in B. You still think in Bid? Yeah. Are we so sure that Yokic is out of it though? Like, you know, like he's had a slow, he's had a slow seven games, but like Joel had a slow 20 games to start. Granted, it matters when you have those in terms of these narratives building only 10 games left. But do you guys think it's like a four-round conclusion that Yokish is out of it? Out of it, no. Personally, I don't think it's a foregone conclusion whatsoever. Like, like, like, like you said, Joel and B'd started off the game.

Hell of the season, hell of the season. People were calling him lazy. I think, if I remember correctly earlier in the season, Philly fans were fucking booing his ass because it's the lack of effort on the defensive end. You know, like, yeah, that was a real slump to the season. If, like, I feel like people, this is really weird, but I see the qualifications to win MVP and just to win all types of awards,

they're starting to evolve and people are starting to care less about doing things on a consistent basis on a totality for the entirety of the season and they're just looking at things from like what have you done for me lately? You're 100% right. It's like last year when Scotty Barnes won

rookie the year over Evan Mobley, all that matters to these awards races at this point with the way people have these like squirrel brains, I only think remember the last two months is it doesn't matter if your trajectory line is like this the whole time consistently. if you start low and then go up high as hell in the last month, that's always going to be superior in voters' minds.

Yeah, exactly. And I just don't think we can forget about just how disappointing Joelle was, you know? Yeah. So let's think about all of them and talk about, it's not, the award isn't the best narrative for best player in the world award. It's most valuable. So right now where we're standing, let's go player by player and talk about this race

and what each person has up on each other. So with Yokic, we'd all agree, he's probably the best player, bless offensive player in the NBA, right? Probably, yeah. Okay, yeah. Dude, I watched Nicole Yokic play in person the other day, bro. If you thought that he was nice and like that, like, that, like, on the TV screen, he's a completely different monster in person because he's really,

he's humongous, and he really gets down there, and he, his body, people just bounce off of his body, and, like, it's so interesting seeing him hustle on the, offensive end and get up the floor, try to fly up the floor, even though he really can't, because when he runs, it looks like he's running with flip-flops. So he just, you know what I'm saying? But the efforts there and seeing him push the ball up and just make passes. Bro, he makes, if I, he, he, he, he, he, he minds Fs you when he watches, when you watch and play basketball, because there's, I'm over there on the court with the entire vision, the entire

view, and he's making passes that I didn't even know were there. He's through windows that I didn't even know were available. So, like, being, averaging, like, 9.9 or 10 assists per game, whatever it is for Nicole Yolich right now as a center who's, like, physically disadvantaged, he might be the best offensive player in the NBA. I mean, he's an assist leader right now, and he's the most efficient. No, Trey Young is. Oh, you pass him?

Oh, whatever. Yep. So he's top two in assists, the best player, best passer in the NBA over Trey Young, and he's the most efficient volume score. He's a 70% true shooting percentage. He's the only one above 25 points per game who has that. That's a ridiculous combination, as well as averaging 12 rebounds a game. So we know he's the best offensive engine in the league.

He's leading the team that's still one in the West, despite their skid, but, you know, is tied in wins with the three seed in the east, so you can take that however you want if you value seating or wins more. So we know he still has that. And the thing with Embedd is now, the discussion has gone towards defense, obviously, because that's the one thing that Yokish doesn't have. With Embedd, averaging 34 points per game on the 65, percent true shooting with the same amount of team success do you all think that defense of imbiz

is more valuable than you know just the overall playmaking of yokech i i think i do i do okay i think i think i think like philly has james heart like they have a legitimate point guard who is one of the best distributors in the game and you know even though they're like yeah and so like jamal murray he's he's great he's a good player he's not the playmaker he's not the facility that James Harden is. And so... Not nothing. Yeah, yeah.

And so, like, that onus, Yokic can do it and he is doing it, right? Like, that's his role. They put a lot more on him because he doesn't have a facilitator around him. And even with, like, Embed, his role is you're going to go out and get 34 a night. And I think playing two ways is extremely hard. Like, when we think about the best two-way players and people who are the best, best on offense and defense, it's a very, very, very...

short list. Yeah, he's not the best on defense. He's elite on defense. He's slightly overrated when we talk about this because we were comparing him to Nicola Yokic, yeah. But he's not putting up the constant intensity and defensive impact as Janus on Acumbo. Like, you know, there's a difference.

The way we're talking about his defense with this narrative is as if he's Janus, he's not. He doesn't put up that consistent effort as Janus does, play in and play out. Yeah, I know that. Again, but Janus is, I think that Janus is the best playing in the world. And so, like, and so because Janice does that, he gets that title. I think Embed is also in that, in that class, in that tier. And so at least defensively when it comes to comparing him to Yokic, that makes a very, very big deal for me.

The question I have is, Mo, you answer this. Everything Donovan saying is correct. The impact on defense is incredibly important. Like, I'm always talking about this when we talk about these conversations, like defense matters. but when it comes to MVP voting that hasn't always been the precedent you know like there's like you know carrying a team is usually

offensive oriented and we've seen all these guards who are offensive oriented and terrible on defense win does do you feel differently about Yokic having that argument because he's a big man do you think his defense matters more do you think it should be treated the same way James Hardin you know what I mean yeah like this is tough because like

I don't I'm not hard set on any way whatsoever like It just depends on what you value. If you value, like, playing a high level of basketball on both sides, then it is what it is. You do so, you know? But I feel like when it comes to trying to pick holes in these type of conversations, you're kind of running around circles because, like, there's a certain thing. Like, they're asked to do certain things on the basketball court, and that's dominate on all levels.

there's just too many this is a weird conversation to have bro like what is i need to bounce it back off of you and hear what you believe because this is just like there's so many moving parts into it and there's no simple answer you know yeah so first off i think yonis is the MVP for the same the same logic that you're using for imbid i think implies that yonis i think yonis is the better defender he's just as good an offensive player though he's having his least efficient season because he had that slow start and his jump resin and falling he's a better playmaker than imbid like i said better defender he has more team success so that's always part of it i think yonis is the best defender the best off second best offensive player and has the most

team success so i don't see why we shouldn't give to him i think the only reason we're not talking about him like we are in bade is because there's no nbid hasn't wanted yet like you said it's all narrative yeah and when it comes to imbid versus jokic i think it's similar to remember that i think it was the year hardin won he won over kawai kawai of a second no the year russ won the year russ one The year Russ won, my bad. The year Russ one and Hardin was second, there was votes for Kauai. He was third. I think that's a similar precedent, right, of these two amazing offensive players

who don't have shit on defense going for him. And then there's this two-way guy. He was third that year. And he probably should have been because his offensive impact as a playmaker wasn't there. He wasn't the all-encompassing driver of the offense like the two other guards were. Granted is a little bit different because defense matters more as a center. And we're seeing that in these seven games that the nuggets have been trash. A lot of it is because Yoke is.

Yokich hasn't been putting an effort on defense. Like, looking at the numbers, their 29th in rim defense in that time. So, like, a lot of the skid is because of his defense. Yeah. But the thing is, that hasn't been all year, right? Before these seven games, Yokuch's defense was pretty much perfectly fine.

So, if we're taking the season in totality. They've been waiting. That's the thing. Every clip. They've been waiting for, because, like, early on in Yokich's career, the narrative was, he's a bad defender, and then he got to, like, a passable level

where he can be like a you know decent team defender but that narrative of oh he's just an offensive side of the ball that's kind of stuck and so people have been waiting for the clips of yokish to mess up on defense and so this is this is a blood in the water yeah this is this is a compilation of three years of people waiting to jump at the opportunity you're so right 100% people are so mad that this fat white boy is dominating the league and winning awards over the players yeah it's frustrating and people just have to have this thing where like because this first take brain where they're like if you don't want a chip you don't matter you're not doing it and you don't deserve these MVP so just constant

frustration of people feeling like he gets more hype than he deserves which you know isn't true for the reason the reason that the reason he gets hyper real it's just some people are different types of fans I don't appreciate the same things as other people but like you said I I think I don't okay so I don't think that it's like the hype that people are upset about I think I think people are upset about the lack of slander that Yokin has gotten because because because with humans are so weird bro because with with it

with anybody that is in the prime of their career coming off of two MVP's and hasn't been to a conference finals like we're already having those conversations about Embed and I think Embed has gotten and again I think it's fair

when we talk about Embed but Embed has gotten those comments of okay like when is it going to happen are you that guy this and that hasn't really been the case with Yokic and so that's why I think but there's a reason because that's what people There's a reason that's not a conversation. Three years ago, he had a healthy team.

He made it. He went to the conference finals, lost to the champion Lakers. Year after that, didn't have Jamal Murray, didn't make it. Year after that, didn't have Jamal Murray, didn't have Michael Porter Jr. Didn't make it. His team has been consistently solid and there's been nothing added to his team that puts them over the top. There's literally been no monumental move.

The most monumental thing that's been placed on their team is like, okay, MPJ, he's nice. Let's go ahead and add Aaron Gordon. and now we can finally cook and try to do something. But their team just heavily relies on the success of a fringe all-star point guard in the loaded Western Conference. I don't even think is that, though. I think it's the fact that, yeah, he hasn't been getting those slanders because he doesn't deserve it.

He hasn't had a healthy team for two years. If Joelle and B. went two straight playoff runs of not having Ben Simmons or Tobias Harris and just rolling out there with everybody else, he wouldn't have got slandered either. But he had those guys and they still lost. Like, that's the difference. You can say, like, on paper, He's the MVP. He didn't make the finals.

Why is there no slander? But if you think about it for half a second and add in a little bit of context, which are also that context is why he won the MVP's because he did a lot with nothing. Yeah. It's just ridiculous. Like it's just anti-intellectualism. Something for the average fan, average hater, they just can't stomach the fact that damn, you were going to let this big ass pumpy white boy win three straight MVP is the first player to do that since who?

Larry Bird, are you kidding you right now? So it's like, it's just, you just have to stomach that. And for, like, the average fan seeing, like, there's, it's just a huge reach at this point, you know? Yeah. And it's just one of those, like, nematode, knit with ass arguments that they try to pull out of their ass and use this to degrade Yokic when in reality. Like, those, that argument doesn't correlate. It doesn't make sense whatsoever, you know? Yeah.

So. And you're 100% right. And I think that's, that's the problem with the current discourse is that if you want to say Joel and B should win it because you think his scoring matters. and you think his defense matters and a team success is just as good, cool, do that. But to do this, like, revision is history and act like Yokic doesn't deserve things has gotten because of these very just, like, surface level arguments about results without any context, then it's like, why am I listening to you, right?

Like, it's ridiculous. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I swear to God, guaranteed, if you give Nicola Yolkich, Jimmy Butler for, I don't know, 30 games or however many games played, and Ben Simmons, who at the time would have been a great fit next to Joel Yolkich. RIPP. Ben Simmons. Yeah, RIPP. Ben Simmons, for real, bro. It's going to be a different.

It's going to be a different. It's crazy. It's crazy. Like, you can't tell me Yolkits wouldn't do damage with that. You can't tell me he wouldn't have made at least the West End of West Bankers. I'm playing the other side. I think another part of it is the, for so long,

the idea of who gets the MVP is best player, best team. And we've seen. has been and we i mean a listen a couple of my bad i didn't cut you off go ahead go get your topic of a couple of times it has i think but with yokech and we've seen a couple times in like the last i guess six years starting with russ yeah westbrook and yokech have both gotten mvps from outside the top three in the west or whatever and so i think from last year like luca was the four seed with everything that he had putting up 28 nine and nine and he got in into he got into a situation where he's out to play in they won 50 games with with that

roster that they had and nobody thought that luka was MVP and it's like okay well what are we doing if the guy who has all the numbers got more wins he doesn't he doesn't get the consideration you see what i'm saying like that's like yeah that's why that's why that's why i think a lot of the contention around yokage comes from because it seems like there's a little bit of goalpost moving to get him to get him the awards but see I replied to that, and I'd just say, you're looking at the wrong things of why he's valuable. He won the MVP last year because the reason he's going to win this year. He was the best pass in your NBA, by far the most efficient volume score, and took a team that was absolute piss to the playoffs.

Lucas team was that absolute piss. Yokic's team was much worse, and he was better in every stat. Every stat you look at, Yokish was better. Yeah, absolutely. I think he has to look. You can't, like, see, go back into history and see, okay, if he did this this year, then why does this argument, like, apply. over here because it's just it's different years and it's just a different time in the NBA and you can't just use the same exact qualifications you can just use have like a basic like

check off checkbox list and you can have you could have been like yo like Luca probably should have had a little bit stronger of a case of an argument to an MVP the prior year but like at the end of the day like if you put Luca Lucas year in this season he's not even he's getting the Jason Tatum treatment where he's just going to be kicked out of the MVP race you know You know, do you want to talk about Jason Tatum a little bit? Hell not. How he fell off the face of the earth. Sure, let's do it.

Let's do it. That man was the leading favorite for the first couple months of the MVP race because the Celtics were the best team in the league and he looked like he made the leap. And then we've heard the joke a million times. A man put up concert tour dates, shooting splits after the all-star break. It's been so weird. The entire just shift in the Celtics from them to be like the number one seed, this offensive juggernaut, right?

and they're just rolling and they look like they were this motivated team coming off the finals loss they're poised to make another run and now i think everybody's kind of unsure about everything that's going on you had the jalen brown article that came out this week where it doesn't really seem like like he wants to be in boston or that boston wants him you know truthfully so a lot of things just seem fractured with the celtics right now if i'm jillan brown there's zero there's almost zero chance i decided to stick around with the boston celtics after how the old regime like basically put him on every block treated that man like a goddamn prostitute and like any star available he's out there he's up for grabs you just got to

just depend on everything that's wild you know and like he was even dangled out there with the Kevin Durant talk and now if I'm Julian Brown it's like why would I want to stay with you when you try to put me on every single block any opportunity that you have that's kind of crazy like what has he if you're general Brown you know it's like what has he done to not be a okay stable piece cornerstone franchise type piece for you to not like leave because knowing the type of potential that we that we know he has in the ceiling of the player that he that he can be like it's like what can he do you know so if i'm jb i want out too so come to yeah well i wouldn't say too we don't know he wants out but yeah you're right i see that you can

see why the frustration's there and you got to think if you're him like he's got to also be a little curious what he could do without tatum holding him back a little bit oh he 100% he 100% thinks he's like man listen we if we ran the offense through me we would have won a title especially the way he was playing in the finals there's no doubt in my mind that he believes that yeah and even if it's not like we would have won a title he's got to just be like what can I accomplish on a personal level because like all these players talk about like I'm committed to winning I want to do all this but like everybody wants to like you know see what they can maximize themselves personally like everybody in every line of work wants to be the best version of themselves

they can be and he's got to be at least curious right a little bit a little bit well though i guess we're talking about a little bit do you all think there's going to be a path so let's say they don't make the finals this year they lose to the bucks and they was in the year's conference do you think we're heading towards a path where he eventually wants to get out? Let's say the summer he's going to be out the summer an unrestricted free

agent in like a year two years right? I'm not sure when it's free agency is up I'll take his car I believe I think it's in 2027 or something along that nature let's get more spicy though is he requesting a trade this summer if they don't make the finals requesting a trade this summer is freaking nuts. I don't think he requests a trade this summer. I think probably the Boston

sells us with that type of organization, they'd probably be proactive and try to move him before he even tries to request to trade. That's just the type of organization they are. Proactively moving. J.B. is crazy, though. I know. I know. It's absolutely nuts, bro. But looking at him, bro, that'll be a terrible mistake on both sides. In my personal opinion, if they were to split, I don't think J.B. should try to venture off. off and see what he can do as the number one option because that could just go terrible for his NBA and he might not ever get a chance to win again and shit like that and as for the Celtics it's like there's no contention you know I if if you were the Celtics and if you had an actual

chance to go ahead and trade for Katie would you have done that for J.B yes I would I would have like listen he's good he's easy as you think but maybe he's tough he's good Jalen Brown is good. He's having a career season. It's Kevin Durant. It's Kevin Durant. It's Kevin Durant has 34 and he's never healthy. Who cares? We have Jason Tatum in his prime. And if you think that Tatum is who he has the potential to be, that he can be this elite two-way wing that can carry a franchise. You don't have to put all the pressure on him. And you just say, hey, let's go get Kevin Durant who can get 30 points in his sleep. I think the opposite. I think if you think Tanem is that guy, then you don't need a second star you can continue to have the good team around him with depth and a second

star already like i guess i'm sorry it's opposite like if you think he's that good he's like a top five player you don't have to go the all in route i mean you're already good enough you're just in the final exactly you know like i think you just focus on the things around him jalen brown's averaging 27 points per game on damn near 50 percent shooting from the field that's crazy and it's not gonna be good enough it might be why not yeah it might be jalen brown's like that bro well i know you're you've been declaring the buck championship since the summer so i get it they're my favorite too but they're definitely good enough they can win a series against the bucks like it's not like you know it's a toss-up i'm listen we have seen this iteration of the celtics make the finals get to get to the

finals up to one and then just refuse to hold onto the ball tata they they refused they refused to stop turning the ball over they were up to one gave a three straight games to and listen step Curry all time great he's him right but it's but it's just step curry and they're playing four on five on defense because draymond green is not doing anything and they blow every single one of these games personally i think that if they do not win the finals this year you have to start looking for other options brown only has one more year left on his contract next year next year is the last year of his contract and then he becomes an unrestricted free agent there would be trade talks with jalen brown and he if they don't if they don't win i think he probably

gets moved. Do you think he gets moved by his own accord or do they move him? Um, I don't, I don't know. They'll probably play a game of chicken to see like, okay, are you going to try and trade me first? Am I going to have to request it? I'm not sure, but I think that he gets moved. If they don't. Okay. It's a smart thing for them to do. They're one of the brightest organizations, also the most proactive organizations before they see some bad shit happening or potentially happening. They move 10 times as quicker, bro. You know what I'm saying? So. And my opinion, the smart thing to do is continue to build around your two-star wings. I agree.

But if Jalen Brown already has one foot out, and maybe he's going to leave some quotes out like this around some of the most important times of the season when you're supposed to start gearing up for the playoffs, like you got to start thinking about the future and looking ahead. If you should need to based off the future decisions, based off what happens in the playoffs and also like how these next few weeks play out. That's fair. Yeah, I guess only they can know what the vibe is in the locker room,

see if he's if he's really like actually think about wanting to go and it would make sense either way right you can't really be surprised either way with Jaylon Brown yeah exactly so let's uh let's move on from the Boston Celtics let's get into what the second half of this episode's supposed to be about let's talk about the playing races because right now they are absolutely ridiculous let's do it my god who we go to start with the Easter West West okay okay the West is crazy dude so

I woke up and I saw the Lake who did the 11th seat what the hell happened I missed like a couple days of basketball, and they fell off. But see, the thing is, they did it. They lost two games. That's that close. They're the same. They just lost two games. God, man, that's insane.

So right now, the playing race counts every team from the Clippers through the Pelicans in the West. So right now, because the Clippers that you guys know just lost Paul George. He's going to be out pretty much the rest of the regular season. They're currently the five seed, but they have two wins over the 11 seed. So we're going to throw them into this mix. So we have the Clippers at 38 wins The Warriors at 37

The Thunder at 36 In the Mavs Timberwolves at 36 The Jazz Lakers and Pelicans All at 35 wins This is so close This is so close Wow I just hope that I see the Pelicans

And Utah Jazz fall off Don't nobody want to watch them In the playoffs again Yeah we gotta get them out of here No one wants to like Give Utah any TV time Like they already had the All-Star break like let's just give it a rest.

Let's start from the top. Clippers are currently the five seed. We said it. Paul George is out of there. They finally found a way to win with Russell Westbrook after the 1 in 5 start. They're using him off ball a lot. He's crashing the boards really hard

when the teams aren't guarding him. And just in general, it's working, I think you can say that. Well, it works in playoffs, TBD. But for the regular season, Wains, it's working. What do you guys think they're going to be now for the rest of the season with Paul George out? Kauai, not playing back to backs,

but a relatively deep team. It's Westbrook time. Oh, my God. It's Russell Westbrook time. I think they're going to be fine. I think they'll be able to tread water. Like, Kauai is playing at an ridiculous level. And so I think, like, is back.

Yeah. Let's talk about it. And so if Russ can be, if Russ can be solid, which is what he's been since he's gotten there, I think, what, six and, I mean, if they have nine games left, five and four, six and three, like, I think that's very, very reasonable to ask of them. Okay. I think five makes sense. So they finish the 43 wins. that should get them the five seed yeah yeah do you agree mo you think they're staying at five you just say so do you say something to me yeah i said do you agree mo do you think they're

saying at five oh my bad yeah some happened with audio but um i think it's possible who i wonder who are their faith it depends it really depends who they're facing off these next few games because i think with like the wild inconsistency that they've had without on their roster like there's been no koi for chunks of time oh like and they made all these random ass trades left and right they bring in bones island and then they go ahead and get rid of like reggie jacks it's just hard it's hard to predict with the clippers they have they've had on paper the most volatile season out of every single team in NBA because they've had 80 80 million different lineups you know and now you have to plug in a couple more lines because you're missing an all-star

player in paul zords so i i i don't want to say that i'm too confident in the clippers right now Even though they've, like, found hit their stride over the last, like, seven games, I believe. And I think they've been five and two, and they've been heading across, like, all the cylinders. Paul George is Paul George, man. And Kauai's going to miss him. Underrated season. Yeah, very underrated season. And, like, I think they're going to miss.

I think they're heavily going to miss him in his creation. And I don't know if I can lean on Russell Westbrook as much. But I think they are a team that has the luxury to go ahead. and like if Russ does pull off some stinkers you have the luxury to pull him off because you got guys like Eric Gordon you got bones you got Norman Powell so they're a deep team but I just don't know if I trust Russ

Norman Powell's hurt right now but if Samin comes back soon I kind of agree with Donovan I think they'll probably hold on to the five seed they only have a one game lead on it right now so you never know but it makes us a discussion easier if we just say they're the five seed because there's so many other teams yeah yeah the Warriors are at 37 wins 36 losses They continue to be the worst road team

In the fucking history of the NBA That is crazy They literally right now The worst road team in NBA Have a worst road record Than a Detroit Pistons Yeah man that's crazy You couldn't get more wins than the Rockets on the road

Oh man that's crazy Nasty But apparently there's still the 6th seed Despite that So clearly at home They're just rock solid They still don't have Andrew Wiggins Who's out with his personal issues

We don't got to talk about Steff's back Do you guys think they're holding on to the 6thead I think so I think I trust them a little I think I trust them more than Oklahoma City I think I trust them more than Minnesota and even though that Kat's coming back we saw at the beginning of the year they still had a whole bunch of things to figure out and I don't think that 50 games of absence from Kat is going to make that work immediately in the last 10 you know nine or 10 games so I actually think Minnesota is going to struggle a little bit and then Utah's Utah and yeah and then the Lakers are what two games? behind him a game and a half behind them they have one less win okay yeah yeah one game i think old state stays there under my two less wins my bad with how i'm looking at their schedule right now just looking at the homes home games and away games they have one two three four five home games

compared to one two three four uh away games right five or four it is yeah they're definitely going five and also look just looking at the strength of the schedule as well they only have two like they have kind of three tough or four tough games and that that's against the Sacramento Kings at home Devereign Nuggets at home or at their they're at away actually and then the rest they got the king I mean they got the spurs they got the pelicans and the T-wools who are

eh and then you got the Dallas Mavericks who have been like up and down on a basis without Lutha so I like their odds actually okay so let's assume the Clippers and Warriors hold on to five and six now it gets interesting because now we're at the actual playing spots, we got four spots for the Thunder, Mavs, T-wolves, Jazz, Lakers, and Pelicans. Let's talk about the Thunder.

The Thunder have been mad impressively. They're up to the 7th seed right now. Shea is just absolutely him. J-Dub is making a Rookie of the Year push. Josh Giddy, Josh Giddy. Are they going to make the 7-8 seats? Yes, sir. Okay, that's good.

Yeah, they're going to make it. Look, their offense as a whole needs a lot of work. But they've been able to get a whole bunch of these wins because their defense is fantastic, bro. Like, listen, they are top 10 in defensive rating. Their defense is fantastic. Without a center. That's crazy.

It's wild. And it's like, look, they're pretty good, especially, like, in their recent games. They're pretty good at keeping people away from the room. But the problem is that, like, when people get to the room, they score on them. And so, like, that's their issue. But if people aren't getting there in the first place, then, like, that's how you can set up your defense to be top. And as long as you have a volume score like Shay who can get 30 on any night from any way that he wants to, you're going to be okay. God, man.

I can't express how much I love J-dub. He's just so good. You love him. And we can talk about their future a little bit because it looks like he's don't want to make the mistake of like always going to be a next star, but like he's going to be a really fucking good player. Yeah, I don't know if he'll have, I don't know if he'll be a star, but I think he's one of those players. who will guarantee be like a friend's all-star and similar to Drew Holiday, like he's going to find himself in maybe an all-star or to doubt the entirety of his career just because of how good of a goddamn teammate he is, bro.

He's a fantastic player to play next to Fowler Star. This will be my guy in the locker room because he just made your life easy on every level of basketball out there on the court. Yeah, he's a smart team defender. He can pass a little bit, has this really good ball handling ability with his length, even though he's only like 6-5, like he's just, he's such a,

some reason, for some reason, a really good fit next to Shea and giddy, even though he's not the best perimeter shooter. Like, yeah. It's some reason it works, and now you're going to add

Chet Holmgren to it next year. Yeah, and whatever draft pick that you get next year, I think they're getting two firsts or something like that. So they are set up perfectly for the future. And something that we need to acknowledge more as I haven't seen one person. I think Mike Brown is going to win coach of the year for the Sacramento Kings. but old dude on the on okay c deserves some votes say his name say his name i don't know his name

i said old dude for a reason why don't you tell him why'd you put me on spot like that i know his name but it's really hard to pronounce i never know if i'm saying it right it's like mike dagonalt i think is how you pronounce it i and i thought it i knew it's his first name started with the name but outside of that i'm done yeah yeah you're right you're right he 100% deserves some credit because like i said they're three best players are all ball handlers who aren't particularly good perimeter shooters and they have no center they start a six nine power forward to center and for some reason they're a top 10 defense that are suitable offense around their stars like it doesn't make sense of they're good but they just it just works no one could have projected this no one could have seen

this coming and every single time i doubt the thunder or just assume they're going to fall off they come right back and they do the unexpected and they beat a los angeles clippers team with Kowai Leonard and PG and Russell Westbrook, I guess, leading the forefront. So they continue impressed. The Mavs. The 36 and 36, current the eighth seed. People have been writing doom and gloom about them for the past week.

I don't know why. Luca Dantritch has hurt. Why are we making serious claims about this team being shit? I don't get it. They weren't winning games with Luca. You're right. But like, who gives a fluck about the last five games? Because he wasn't there.

He learned nothing. Luca Donchis isn't there. but he's coming back he's coming back and you're right they weren't good when he was there when they had kairie do you see that changing or do you see them continuing to be trash no they're going to continue to be trash all right it's simple play i i i haven't had much hope for them again my entire thing with the mavericks is next season after we get an off season and they have time to evaluate and they have time to go get other pieces right to replenish the depth that they gave up to get Kyrie if they even keep Kyrie right because he's a free agent and I assume that they will

but next year is the year that we have to be worried about them I think this offensive system of having these two elite guards that do absolutely everything and not too much help around them especially defensively that is going to be troublesome I thought it was going to be a problem in the playoffs and that they were going to be able to like skate around in the regular season maybe get a couple wins they can't even do that they can't do that so I don't think I don't have a lot of them okay yeah they're two and four over the last six and their schedule doesn't look very favorable towards them they got the warriors right up next and then later on down low they got the sixers miami heat the hawks the kings and the bulls those are not easy wins bro those are not

going to be in the park so what do you all think are they going to fall out of eight i think they're going to fall out of eight if any out of all the teams i think they're the team set to do that because of just the injuries just naturally you know you don't have luca i don't think you're Well, he's coming back to next game, though, probably. If he's, uh, yeah, but assume he's back to rest of the year. Now it mattered too, too much. Yeah. Yeah.

So assume he's there the rest of the year. If they fall out of eight, sure. Are they going to fall out of nine and ten? I mean, so it's, I want to say no, but it's only a game different. So it's like, you can't, you can't be shocked if they do. For sure. Wow, that would be crazy. That would be crazy.

It would be ridiculous. I'm going to give them benefit of doubt and assume they stay in nine or ten. Okay. Yeah, I'm going to say they drop. Okay. The T. Wolves, we talked about it. Carlton Town is coming back. He's coming off the bench this Wednesday.

Which is today. I don't know why I said this Wednesday. You said it earlier, Donovan. When he was there beginning of the year, they were trash. That Rudy Gobert, Carlton Towns back, the front court was ass. There's really no reason to believe it's going to be good now, right? No, I don't think so. What do you think about the Timberwolves going forward?

Do you think the same thing? Well, I think Mike Conley helps Because DeAndre Russell was a clear bad fit Who hated Everybody Gobert Yeah And like explicitly So it'll be better Like they weren't

They're not gonna be as trash At the war of the first 10 games a year When Cat was healthy That was just like Unsustainably bad They needed time to gel So they'll be better Do I think they'll be good?

No Are they making 9 in 10? Hell no I hope not Bro their schedule is treacherous Like they only have like I want to say two nights off against certain teams

unless the Brooklyn Nets and they're pulling trailblazers and the rest they go against like okay you gotta pay touches huh I said they play the spurs that's a way oh yeah the spurs as well

I missed that but you got the Hawks Warriors Kings sons Lakers like bro you're gonna get shot you gonna get beat up and like adjusting Rudy Rudy Gobert

putting Rudy Bear back in that system their defense has not been as because any of us hope to be but it's definitely improved drastically as time has gone on DeRuda Giver is playing a way more natural fit in playing someone at the four who can actually move their feet

has helped a lot and it's done wonders for them and obviously just all around they've just grown as defensively as a team offense and still and shaky hasn't been as good as you wanted it to be but throwing in Carl Anthony Towns into that equation when it just doesn't sound like like

it doesn't sound like it'll be conducive to wins right now. I think it comes down to is Anthony Edwards going to be healthy? He's coming back This next game probably. We'll see if he's just, like, back to 100% right away. And really, is he going to be able to jail with these two centers? Because that was the biggest problem in the year is that he hated the fit. He talked about it.

Like, he just, like, couldn't do it for some reason, which was a funny comment. But he's had time to get used to Rudy Gaubert. And he's playing the best basketball of his career with Rudy Gaubert there. So I guess there's no reason I think it can't continue with Kat because the problem was really Gober to the start of the year. But, you know, it's a new thing and new touches going to him. It's a different equation. so what do you guys think do you think anthony edwards is going to continue to be great

in the last 10 games i think he might take a step down um especially because he he was hurt for a little bit listen he recovered very quickly but what the fuck they shoot him up within the locker room they need to start an investigation with that he was in a boot that i was just about to bring that up he was on the bench with the boot and i listen i know he's he's 21 22 years old the body heals much faster when you're younger but i think that like If you have a serious foot injury, or serious, but if you have a foot injury and you are a very athletic player, you might slow down a little bit. It might take a little bit of time to wrap back up, but this is the last nine games. Like, you don't have a little bit of time right back up.

You have to be just as good, and I don't think that that's going to be the case. Yeah, you're asking him during these last nine games to be at the exact same level that you left off at. And on top of that, we're putting another big-ass ice school lights can do it in the paint for you to go ahead and figure out. And you were just complaining about this 50 games ago. Now you're right back in the same exact situation. Carrier's to the homeland. It's not happening, bro. That is a lot of games in this.

I'll be shocked if it happens, bro. Okay. So do you guys think the Jazz and Pelicans are both going to drop out? Oh, yeah. Pels are done. They should be done there. I have no hope for the Pelicans. So it sounds like you guys have said,

you said the Thunder are going to stay in 7 or 8. The Mavs are going to fall in 9 and 10. So I think we all agree the T-Woles are going to be the other 9 and 10 team. Yeah, it could be. So that leaves the Lakers. Are they going to be the 18th? Yes, they are. Look at the way this man rolled his eyes.

So let's talk about it. Are you discouraged whether there's a couple of Lakers games that they shit away and lost really bad games? Discouraged? Discouraged, no. I think the Mavericks game was just funny. In my opinion, just watching because Anthony Davis had the worst two minutes that you could possibly have. Crazy. I mean, listen, you fouling people, you're missing free throws, you have bad closeouts on the, you know, bad defensive positioning on the, on the game winning shot.

It's just, it couldn't have gone worse for AD. Yeah. And so. After a good game, too. It's just funny to watch. But I think that they're fine. And especially if, if LeBron's able to come back and play at least five games with them, like Delo's playing really well. Austin Reeves just had 35 the other night.

He's hooping. Jerry, Jared Vanderbilt is fantastic. He's on Kendra Perkins' hit list, bro. He's going to be like, see, NBA put that man and gave that man a one-hour highlight video. Side note, amazing troll by the NBA media social team. Putting the hour-long highlighted with Austin Reeves, they knew what they were doing. People were going to be pissed. It's hilarious.

Listen, Kendrick was on to something because, listen, Moe is right. He dropped 35. He got an hour-long mixtape. And then the next day, the next day, reports came out like, yeah, Austin Reeves is about to get a $50 million contract for the Lakers. I've been four years that people were like $50 million. Yeah. They love themselves, some Austin reviews.

But yeah, they'll be fine. I think the Lakers are going to make the play in. I feel comfortable saying that. People were like freaking out because they lost these two games. I should have won. And on one hand, yeah, you can't afford to lose any games right now for your Lakers. But against the Rockets, that's an embarrassing loss. They didn't have AD.

They didn't have D.Lo. Oh, no, they did have D.O. They didn't have AD or LeBron. Dilo played like shit. I'm not taking a whole lot from a game where AD didn't play. Of course they're ass and they don't have AD or LeBron. And then the Mavs game,

you're right. It was just AD having a terrible two minutes. He missed two free throws in the game, fouled Maxie Cleveland on a three point play, which he made all three, and then allowed him to hit a game winning three. Incredibly unlucky. It doesn't say a whole lot about them as a team, you know? It's unfortunate, but they'll be fine. If you believe they're going to be

in the play in a week ago, you should still believe that. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know what he was about the Lakers, bro. Yeah, they should. I will say, though, right? So we're recording this on Wednesday night. They play the suns tonight at home. Their next four games are not gimmies.

They have the sons tonight. Then they play the Thunder on Friday, which is going to be huge for tiebreaker reasons. And then they have a home-in-home with Chicago. And so those aren't layups. Yeah. So, like, I expect them to get in, but it's going to shock me. Yeah.

For sure. Yeah. I think there's two really bad laws. It's probably prevented them from getting the 7 or 8. But 9 and 10, I think, is still pretty feasible. Because the Pelicans are the same record as the Lakers right now. I don't see any reason to have faith in the Pelicans. The Jazz, we keep saying they're going to fall out, but they're just not.

So we'll see what that goes. Yeah, dude. Every time I look at my NBA app, bro, and I see that they collected another win, I'm like, damn, bro, when are these motherfuckers going to go away? Like, no one won't see this shit. Shout out to Lari. Love that I do, but, damn. But quick question.

What is LeBron's status? like what is the last thing that y'all have heard because i haven't seen anything on yeah so the last thing that i was said by actual public speaker was darwin ham said they expect him back during the regular season whatever that means but it's not eminent they didn't announce he's returned to practice and if they did that would mean he needs like a week of ramp up time so he's at least a week away so it means he's at least probably four or five games away so like donovan said maybe they get five games out of them oh man yeah so i think the goal is the last four or five games i can have him back that's the hope he's an old man yeah he's a

old man wow yeah man these injuries are collecting and they're starting to fucking ramp up bro yeah shit is tough out there we're at 50 minutes in this episode we're gonna talk about the east should we just save it and talk about the east next next uh episode sure yeah i'm down to save it or we can speed run through it doesn't matter to me what you want to do donovan let's let's speed run through it because I don't want to spend a lot of time on the on the raptors let's talk about the eastern plane yeah so over here we have a little bit less teams we have seven teams that are technically still in the playing race we have the nets who are sent at the five seed at 39 I mean six seed at 39 and 33 and then we have the heat at the

six seed my bad at the seven seed who are 39 and 34 essentially the same record then we get the actual play in teams at eight we have the hawks who are the most mid team imaginable at 36 and 36, dead even. How mid they are is literally historic. Yeah, you saw that graphic. They are the first team in NBA history over the last 26, 7 years to be consistently one game over or under 500. For 25 straight games.

Like, that is absurd. You don't see this type of mid. This type of mid-nees-a-be-studies in our future, in our, bro, in future classrooms. This is the masterpiece. How do you look so good, but so bad and so good? go ass on a consistent basis. I don't know how you do it, bro. So I'm just appreciating greatness.

There's all levels of greatness. And being mid is just something that, you know, you just need to sit down and just being aw about like. Listen, history is history. You don't see it every day. Exactly. Take it for what it is, bro. Blow them at nine.

We have the Raptors at 35 and 37. At 10, we have the bulls who are looking like they're going to hold on to that 10 spot at 34 and 37. Surprising. And then at 11 and 12, we have the Pacers and the Wizards who are both 32 and 40. They're done. Do you think they're done? They're only two games behind the Bulls.

So the Bulls have been playing pretty decent lately. Surprisingly, they've had like a top 10 defense the last 20 games and a god-awful offense, which is weird when you're best player of the Margaros and Zach Levine and Vucevich. But they're a good defense for some reason. You all think they're holding on to that 10 spot? Yeah. The Patrick Beverly effect is real, man.

I think they're like 8 and 4 with or maybe 9 and 4 or something like that with Patrick Beverly. And his voice is a real thing. He may not like put up the impact of guys like Alonzo Ball and stuff like. that and obviously like the skill and talents are not there but like just straight up all the intangibles that has played a real factor surprisingly as for their success bro so yeah yeah they're rejuvenated and also look levin is going since since the all-star break levin is going stupid he's averaging like he's bad bro he's averaging 30 points on 50 40 90 split since since the all-star break it's ridiculous and now on the healthy yeah he's he's hitting demart de rosen's

taking threes on a nightly basis like this is this is this is the offense still isn't good but you're seeing signs from the offensive like oh you guys are taking steps towards being competent which is very like interesting that it took this long to get there you know what they gets them

the Patrick Beverly effect you know what that gets them it secures in the 10 seat over the picture congratulations yep the loose of the Raptors in the first round of the playing oh wow that's a disaster because the Raptors are the Raptors are so annoying to watch

I don't I don't have fun I think they're going to end up, like, in the play-in. They're still going to be like a nine or ten seed. They should be first round of the play in exit. We need to wrap this up. I'm not trying to see them anymore after April 11th, 12th, whatever day it is. Yeah, Pascal's Jacoba slowed down a little bit. And without him being as good as he was the start of the year,

they really don't have shit going for him. Nothing. For a few games, it looked really good with Jacob. And now they're just back to being the Raptors, you know. It was just, it was a blip. tear it down was a facade they lied yeah this offseason missouri jiri needs to be he needs to be evaluated as the he needs to be investigated revamp bro

so goddamn NBA is a suspect who do we have next are we is it time to talk about the heat what do you guys think about the heat I think they jump to get the six seed and Brooklyn falls down and they probably end up playing Philly in the first round yeah I think the net I think the heat are a lot to make the six year I agree they have the same amount of wins as the Nets who have not been a

winning team since the trade deadline as you would expect given the fact that they traded Kevin Durant and Carrey Irving but you know at least they have McKell who's amazing and that's it exactly so shot to the east the Pacers were breaking to push the Bulls and Ten Seed but Tyrese has hurt again so it's kind of just like they're done

the water yeah it's too many injuries for them and the Wizards are the Wizards I don't even know what they're 32 and 40 was hyping up the Wizards They let me down so badly. I can't believe you did that shit. Listen, they were playing good. They were playing good basketball.

And maybe, listen, maybe it's my fault. Maybe it's my fault. I never want to see you. I should have understood. I should have understood that it's the Washington Wizards and that at the end of the day, they are going to let you down. They are two and eight in their last 10 games. God. It is awful.

Since the All-Star break, they are 25th in offensive rating and 25th in defensive rating. That's so fucking awful It is terrible It's terrible I was talking about them Making a push to the 18th And they were right there And Bradley Beal is just like

Nah I'm gonna just play worse Kyle Kuzma and Christops Przingis Now I'm just not gonna be the same player And we're just gonna fall off again It's me It's my fault That's all me I'll take that one

I'll take that up Bro what's happened to Bradley Beal Why is he just like not as good anymore I don't know I don't watch them enough Like respect and just hierarchy in the NBA has fallen off a cliff and feels like bro like just no one cares anymore about the top of something like does he not want

to average 30 anymore he's not capable like is he trying to defer like what happened to him? I don't even know I don't know I don't have an answer for you yeah let's not even spend time on the wizards anymore bro it's just I feel with depressing vibes so end of the day the heat

are going to secure the six seed yes the nets are probably going to fall to eight nine maybe 10 the hawks are going to continue to be mid the raptors suck and the bulls suck And oh, my God, this plane race is bleak in the east. Yeah, it's dead in the water. But the top is nice, though.

But the top of the east is fire. And that is where we're good. That's where we're... The top is nice, man. Exactly. Love me some top. Moral of the story. Whoever makes it out of the plane are getting absolutely curbstomp by the bucks in Celtics.

Tadda. That's a good line, long. That's a good line. Yeah. So let's go ahead. All right. We did get speeding through that. I'm proud of us.

Yeah. Yeah. Fuck those teams. Let's move on. to the infamous TikTok time. Let's go. 57 minutes in. As you guys know, as always,

we're starting with a draft. This time we're doing one that you guys have been asking for a lot for like fucking months. We're going to do a left-handed players draft. Let's do. Let's go. Let's go.

Let's go. First pick, Donovan. Second pick me. Third pick Mo. Real straightforward. Only left-handed players. I had to Google left-handed players because I really couldn't even think of that many.

So if any of these aren't actually left-handed, Google led me astray. You all got to let me know? Yeah. so let's draft NBA lineups with only left-handed players all right i'm making up for the generationally bad performance that i had in our in our second overall uh draft with my first pick give me james hardin fuck i was hoping you didn't pick them as you should as you should okay so i got to go second pick david robinson solid nice as you should as you guys should okay and now this is where

things are kind of willy wonky, but I'm just going to go ahead and sure up my defense. I think this is the second back-to-back draft that I had where I sucked at him. Give me Bill Russell. Okay. Say that again without all the wordiness. I'm not going to use it for TikTok. Just say you the pick. Yeah, this is for the podcast. Cool. Give me the OG Bill Russell.

Okay. Back-to-back draft. You got him? Yeah. Who else? Oh, shit. On top of Burroughs, I forget I get to do this shit twice. Along with Bill Russell along with Bill Russell I already know this dude's going to be generational give me Zion Spacing nasty right now though But give me Zion that's a it's kind of reach

But I respect it Do I want Manu or do I want Shea Gildes Alexander She's love, she's right-handed Google got you wrong on that one He's right he shoots with his right She's right-handed Yeah, she's right-handed Yeah promise you

Yeah okay And so is John Wall John Wall John Wall is right-handed Yeah, John Walsh, you know, Google said it, but I'll make sure. Okay. Yeah. Second pick.

I don't know how he's still here. Give me Monon, Genoblee. Nice. That's solid. All right, that's dope. All right. I got James Hard at at my one. Let me get, let's see, all the bigs are gone.

Give me Chris Bosch. That's a real good pick. Okay. I can't believe I forgot Chris Bosch was there. Oh, I hate myself. Okay. And then we're going to, let me try to space this out. Give me Chris Mullen.

Fuck, I was going to pick him next. Oh, my God. Yes, sir. Yo, I think Donna Bollars Rips, Isaac. We're here. Fuck. Damn.

Okay, well, there's not a lot of threes available. So I'm going to reach like crazy. Give me Michael Red, because I got to get a small forward. That's nice. That's nice. Oh, man, that's, I, whatever. Okay. So, I could go a lot of damn angles.

The death is getting bleak, but go ahead and give me, oh, man, the spacing is kind of nasty. team someone already selected david robinson right yeah i did yeah okay cool just had to just had to be clear on that one so the space is kind of nasty my team i have bill russell and zion so i need a three a two and also one at this point in the draft i think that for spacing purposes giving mike connoe okay that's good that's solid okay that's fine Oh shit

I'm trying to get I always forget this I always forget this Like I'm never gonna like Understand People thought they're fucking Fucking stream glitched out Alright so

I got Julius Randall And now I need a two And I also need a three Now I need someone Who's gonna give me Fucking buckets I see Ben Simmons right there I'm not gonna pick you my man

Alright So Go ahead and gosh this is this is getting really thin bro this is getting really thin but at my two

ah damn bro yeah yeah I know I know I know I know I know I know I know yeah I know all right what position does this guy play let me let me do like a quick little research on it as if you see if this is a position that I want

then i'm taking it okay cool i got a small i got a small front court give me archie baldwin or nate baldwin my bad Nate baldwin Nate tiny archibald say that again you fucking oh yeah yeah tiny archibald give me archiball bro okay that was an awful delivery what the look hey listen we're putting shot clocks in like you got it guys i'm good bro you got news down I love constructing my team would you say I'm so glad you didn't pick this guy Give me Deerrin Fox I wanted to

But I couldn't do it for the spacing bro I couldn't do it for the spacing I couldn't do it Okay I don't Dang it That really really messed up What I was gonna do

Um Okay Give me I need some I needed a little bit of shooting Give me Taysham Prince at my two Okay Okay

And then Just for some enforcer Big Body vibes Give me Zach Randolph at the four I like that Okay I like this draft for you Donovan For my last pick

I thought about taking Julius Randall Getting a little scoring punch But you know what Give me Give me Deer and Fox's partner Give me DeMontasabonis Beam team Beam team

This is nice This is nice All right This is my last pick right I got I got Tiny I got Mike Conley Bill Russell and then Zahn Williamson

Give me Lamar Odom I need that versatility, bro Give me Lamar Odom Where's the spacing, Jesus Covering the small backcourt that I have It just makes sense This is 1960 spacing Let me know and Mo once again

Has the worst team Whoa Whoa whoa I think I redeem myself I think I redeem myself Okay so I got Deeran Fox Mono Genoblee Michael Red

Demontas Sabonis David Robinson Okay Your team is nasty Okay, I have James Hardin, Tashom Prince, Chris Mullen, Zach Randolph, Chris Bosch. That's a nice team, man. You having Hardin does a lot for you.

Having Hardin carries a lot. Yeah, exactly. I think you're the best player, but I think I have the second and third player with David Robinson and Mono, so I don't know. Yeah, you for sure do. What did you say your team again?

Yeah, so I got Mike Conley, I got Tiny Archibald, then I also have Lamar Udom, Zion Williamson and Bill Russell My team's not a sleaze You got good players You got good players

It's just like imagine Lamar Odom Zion Bill Russell line up Hey Lamar Odom in 2023 We don't get him right bro Trust you can with that shot Man is running picket rolls In the restricted area

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have in common so we're going to do the game but i got some players for you all to talk about cool hope this is what are these NBA players have in common people always make fun me for doing the hand thing yeah pull my hands what are these NBA players having i can't i can't talk It doesn't even hit right, bro. It doesn't. What do these NBA players have in common? That's right. Be you.

Be yourself. Yeah. Fuck the comments. Jaron Jackson, Chris Bosch, and Lamar Odom. Jaron Jackson, Chris Bosch, and Lamar Odom. Hmm. Are they out from Texas? I don't know, but that's not it.

Jaron Jackson, Lamar, Odom, and Chris Bosch. They're all power forwards? I mean, duh, but no, that's not it. They're all black. I say, sorry. Ding, ding, ding, ding. Dern Jackson is not left-handed. No, he's right.

Yeah. This was a little hard. Jern Jackson, Lamar Otoman. Who else? Chris Bosch. Chris Bosch. Do they have all the same three-point percentage? Nah.

No, that's too deep. I don't know. This is tough. This is weird. I mean, a lot harder than last time. Last had mobile him too easy. Yeah. Were they born in the same state?

No. Maybe, but that's not it. What is the current day, like, NBA connection with, like, the three of those dudes, Donovan? I'm trying to... This is hard. Yeah, I'm trying to think... So you said, Jared Jackson, Jr., Chris Bosch, and Zach Randolph. No, he said Lamar Odom.

Oh, Lamar Odom. Okay. Yeah, so, like... Jared Jackson's been on one team. There's been no trades between... They're all married to IG. I don't know yeah I give up they're all the fourth pick in the draft I was so fucking easy what the hell man fumbled I didn't know I had no idea where

Lamar owner was drafted yeah I should have known that I didn't I never knew that he was fourth but damn yeah I don't know how you could LeBron James Anthony Edwards and Kevin Garnett LeBron James they were all the number one pick in the draft Yes, but that's not it. That's a good one, but that's not it. Okay. You could have credit, but that's not what I'm looking for. Oh, they all won rookie of the year.

Not what I'm looking for. Damn. Do you two for two? That's what I'm saying. If I get half credit, like, I get one point. Did Anthony have a minute? I don't think he did. Wait, did he?

He did win. Le Mello won, I think. Oh, Lamella. All right, never mind, no, I'll take that back. Incorrect. I said, have half a point. Let's see. LeBron James, Anthony Edwards, and Kevin Garnett.

Gosh, what is the correlation here with those few players? Okay, so. You tell me. There's no real, there's nothing to tell about the playoffs or anything like that were really high-level accolades because Anthony Edwards ain't do shit. Remember this is a TikTok So say your things like Quippy Yeah

Did they average 20 in their rookie year? I mean probably But that's not it That's not it Damn it's something more distinct Wow This was really obvious Well I think it's stumping us right now

This was not hard We are really blanking What is going on? My mind is lost right now All right I'm on They're all in movies What did Kevin

I forget the LeBron was in a movie I forgot Wow Yeah I forget LeBron's in a movie Okay okay Okay next one Ben Wallace Fred Van Vleet and Lou Dort

Ben Wallace Fred Van Vainvley And Lou Dort Yo these are crazy You set me up to fail I made up too hard I guess Let me see One, I need to see one thing about Lou Dort and that will, that will confirm.

Fred Van Vley and Lou Dord. What the hell do these two have in common? Just say it. All three of them are undrafted. Correct. Y'all finally got one. Let's go. There you go.

Gotcha. Finally. Nice, nice. Okay. I forget Fred V was undrafted. LeBron James, Jerry West, and Mark Jackson. LeBron James, Jerry West, and Mark Jackson. Now, I was about to be out of podcast.

it. Say it. Say it. Please. You got to say it. They would all hit Savannah out the park. Let me see. Okay.

LeBron, Jerry West, Mark Jackson. And Mark Jackson. All right. So Mark Jackson is a very. underrated passer maybe it has to do something with assist possibly I mean

but Jerry West he's not like he's not like that I don't do you think that Jerry West is top 10 in assists all time? I think I think so okay we'll go with that all three of them are top 10 in assists all time I think that's true but it's not I'm looking for you you're close though

okay damn yo these are stumping me you know I'll give that to you I'll give that to you I was looking for they all led the league in assists one year but I think you're right they are a lot top 10 in assists okay cool

that was a W add that to your bag Donovan I get that to you're caring holy shit that's one out of four listen we have to get a winning record right here yeah man up Dwight Howard Andre Godawa and J.R. Smith Dwight Howard

Andre Godala and J.R. Smith did they all come from the same draft class you tell me did they yeah that's my question none of them went to college they all came from the same draft class in 2004 there we go there we go to college

I don't know he did I think so yes he did he went to Arizona he doesn't say he weren't red that's all I remembered okay y'all got three out of five at least got a winning record that's gonna be a boring TikTok I don't know if I'm gonna post those we'll see yeah that was tough this is a bad ass delamette no matter I got one more

I got one more there's six total Deeran Fox Lavery Markingin Shegildes Alexander Deeran Fox Larry Markening and Sheik They all played with

Kelly Olenic Nah Or Mike Why would I pick that That's crazy That's a crazy guess Let's see Okay

That was kind of a good guess though No it was Only one of them did Dang I have I have no I'm stumped here You said This one is the easiest one by far

Repeat the name again Deer and Fox Larry Marketing And Shay And Shay Oh, they all made their first All-Star team this year Correct Easy

Easy Easy There we go Win your record Let's do it Let's go Okay Next thing we're gonna do

We're gonna do a shooter's tier list We did all the positions tier list One through five and one good We're gonna do one of You're gonna put these people in tier list Just on their shooting ability Okay Let's put these NBA players into a tier list

Based on their shooting ability So obviously people like Steph Curry and Clay Thompson are S tier Where is Damian Lillard? S He's S tier too He's S Yeah

S Okay I'm not gonna argue it Yeah Then where's Kyrie Ooh A tier I feel like you could argue

Kyrie's just as good of a shooter As Dame He doesn't have the range His Dame But his mid-range specialty Is like a lot better Yeah I know But like

I value the deep range shooting more than the mid-range shooting because you can like mid-range obviously there's been so many players who are cerebral at that shit role players who are cerebral at that shit but there is virtually like really like three players in NBA history really to her cerebral at it okay we can put kirene a but I feel like he's also one of the best shooters ever but I'll take it definitely I agree he's so underrated when it comes to that and put him in us right carl anthony towns be be tier how do you wait How do you weigh the position miss of it? Because, like, he's not as good of a shooter as Kyrie, but he's the best shooting center.

So, like, you know, how do you weigh that? That don't, it doesn't matter to me. He can't get shots off the dribble the way that, that Kyrie and Dame and, and, uh, and Steph can. He's not as good of a captain's shooter as Clay Thompson or off the ball, like moving the same way that he is. Like, he's a, he's a good shooter for what he does, but like, he's, he's solid, but he's not on their level of shooting.

So you're going to be? Yeah. Be for sure. Okay. If you're waiting objectively, that's true. You're right. Yeah, and I think in the next few years with the way the NBA is trending, we're going to see a better shooting center than Carinthine's talent.

And it could be Victor Mbignon, which if you're going on, it's bro. Listen, if Kat can come off some pin downs and knock down threes, then, like, maybe he could jump up, but, like, that's not happening. He kind of does do it, though. He does do it a little bit. Not the same way that Clay does. Oh, of course not. You see what I'm saying?

That's the only difference. DeAngelo Russell. Uh, I don't know. I think it's speed and his positions are pretty good. But I'm going to say B, because. No one's thinking of him as one of the best shooters. Yeah, he's not an A. He's either B or C, but I think he deserves B.

Yeah, B is fine. He doesn't have like elite shooting numbers, but his off the dribble ability is like really good. And I didn't look at the numbers, but I'm pretty sure his off the dribble percentage is pretty high. Yeah, I agree. All right, B's cool. Zach Levine. I think he could be, he could be. When he's on a tier?

Yeah. But when he's off like. C tier sometimes Yeah, but I don't know if he's consistent like that So I guess we'll just split The difference and put him at B Okay

I think I think B is fair But God when he's on like He has one of the most unstoppable Jumpshots in fucking league history bro Okay LeBron James Uh C or D

D Yeah like D Listen this year he's shooting He's three point shooting his ass I say C Yeah I just think When I think of shooting I'm thinking of shooting all levels like bro he's by far the west

two point the worst frito shooter that you're going to have on those lists I didn't even think about fritos that's true okay yeah so you went d oh that's interesting d all right yeah we'll put lebron in d oh i feel yeah uh okay if we're including free throws

you got to put him you gotta put him i would go see but i think d's okay he'll want to do that yeah i say d you put him in d tough what about luca danchich Oh If we're going to say free throws Then he has to be like a C

I was thinking C as well It's easy So he has that same Tough shot making ability With the stepback threes But what makes him great as a score Is really his rim finishing It's not as much as like shooting ability

So like I think he's got to be C Yeah I'm cool with that Definitely Let's put him there It's so weird when these great players lower But like if we're just talking shooting That's not what makes him great Yeah

It's awkward See here it is What's next Julius Randle Oh my God C tier Sure Yeah

Julius Randall better shoot than LeBron James That's crazy man Yeah I mean yeah Volume is ridiculous Like it's 8 3s a game I'm a decent percentage Like God that is absurd man

Julius Randall's launching 8 3s a game And the Knicks are good playing that way Somehow Yeah he's launching 83s a game But like only been an 80% free throw shooter like once in his career and that's when he went berserk for the first time in

New York. If he was like an elite if he was an elite mid-rate, if he was an elite free throw shooter, then he'd be B tier. So like he's got to be C I think. Yeah. Yeah, I think C is fair. Cool. That concludes our... No, we got to do Trey Young too. Tray Young. B. I want to say A because of the long range. A. For all his

false, I think he is an elite shooter. He's having a slow year, but getting the benefit of that we for four years he's a great shooter listen he's he's a however his his long range shooting is is overrated in my opinion it's not overrated statistically you're so wrong because he's number one in the NBA in terms of percentages and also attempts from long range distance bro shooting 37% from 30 plus feet that's ridiculous cooked show me show me i refuse to believe because when i listen when i watch him he does not be doing that I got the stats, man

Let's put it on the screen You just said it We just wish to believe him You won't No, I'm too accurate for a reason, bro We said, listen Before the show We were talking about

How Mo's a generational capper And I could just be lying I'm not taking this at face value Cap'er Look at the history, bro Let's move on the next thing Because I got to pee And let's get out of here real fast

But two more TikToks Next thing we're going to do is I'm going to have you guys name the top 10 scores of the decade. And you only have to guess names until you get the full top 10. Okay. Right.

Okay. Can you name the top 10 scores of the 2010? Let me say this. Can y'all name the top 10 NBA scores of the 2010s? Donovan, let's knock this shit out. All right. LeBron.

Yep. Brown's number one. Steve Curry. He's the choice. Yep. Yep. Step Curry's number five. James Harding.

James Hardin. Where Katie at? Katie is number two. Okay. Cool. Where's what so much book at? Number four. You're on top five already.

All right. Okay, cool. Paul George. Do we want... Paul George is not in there. Do we want to throw in, um... Fuck, what's that dude's name again? How did I forget?

Oh, damn. What's that dude's name again? It was literally in my head. Yeah. Nah, Damien is not in there. Dame is not in there? Nope. Is Chris Paul in there?

No, Chris Paul can't be in there. Because now, Chris Paul passes too much. Yeah, he's not in there. That's crazy that Dame's not. Carmelo Anthony. He's in there. Melo Anthony is number eight. Yeah.

Shut up me. Considering his career, like, took a dive at the end of the decade, the fact that he's still on that list, I love Mello. Top-knots bucket getter, bro. That's fantastic. Kauai's in there?

Kauai's not in there. No, he didn't come on until late. We got to think about guys who were, like, in their prime kind of around, like, 2012, too, that could get in there is, um,

dang. Okay, so D-Way, not in there correct because he was like a little bit kind of washed i don't know are you asking are you telling me what do you say he's not in there so no um i'm gonna i'm gonna just say i'm gonna i'm gonna just say dwaywaywayway's in there he's over nine my smart give away okay cool all right so yeah one through five and then we have nine and six nine and eight oh nine six seven and ten are still on the board six seven and ten six seven and ten okay you almost sold

Dwayne Wade you're lucky yeah exactly alright so who else is next Donovan who's another elite guard that we're missing on work forward guy

dude listen and Bid is in Bid is up there I know he didn't get drafted he didn't really play he got drafted in 2016 or no 2015

2014 you're right 2014 he didn't play to 2016 I mean hmm okay so was Embed in there no obviously not yeah

yeah I feel like is Dwight Howard on this list Dwight Howard is not on this list not a terrible guess though okay cool

so Dwight Howard is not on this list is cat on this list Of course cats not on this list Oh Kyrie Kyrie's not on this list Paul

do we already say Do we already say Paul George You already guess Paul George He's not It's not on here These last few names are kind of hard It's not who you think

Hmm I hope is not no fucking Paul Pierce or anything like that oh my god is it Paul Pierce no it's not Paul Pierce oh god thank God man all right is dirt on the list

no jerk's not on the list damn these last two players beating our ass three three I don't think one of them has to be a big Donovan I okay I'm talking about

is Kobe is Kobe on the list no so I thought I just had to say it wow this is this is tough we really got to let's let's ramp this up let's ramp this up so let's think 2010 like tops who are some of the best players top scores are on that age obviously it was so Lou all day oh hell no uh what about oh is john wall on the list no is jimmy butler on the list you are doing terrible no yeah we're missing

bro. Don't give up. No. No. No, we're gonna say just a little bit more, just a little bit more.

Yeah. I feel like Hmm. He was put up crazy number. Is Kevin Love on the list? That's a good guess. He's not. What?

I'm surprised he's not. What? Hall of Fame we're not on on the list. That's kind of crazy. Demard de Rosen. No Kevin Love. Demarrausson's on the list, finally. Oh, that was a clue clutched that one out.

Number seven. You got number six and number ten left. Okay. Six and ten. Try and think of like franchise guys over the last like decade. Yeah. The last two both played in the Western Conference. I'll say that.

The last two. Okay. Played in the Western Conference. Like. Predominably. Predominately. Predominantly. Okay.

Perfect. Is Devin Booker on the list? Of course not. What? Listen, I'm just asking. that boy has an abundance of buckets that's not a he's an abundance of buckets that's not a bad guess okay western conference we had so you already got cal yeah so listen we went through through the rockets the mavericks yeah there's nobody on the i mean listen nobody on yeah nobody on the spurs

that's going to be top 10 in the decade nobody on the grizzlies i don't think it's going to be there yeah no nobody on the utah Dad is going to be there. We already went through OKC. Yeah. Okay, C's not there. Sacramento's not going to be there. What about DeMarcus cousins?

Nah. Damn. I am so confused right now. You're never going to get this. Okay, they're both front court players. Front court players in the Western Conference. Listen, we have two clues. We do not get this.

I'm going to be upset for the next week. We have to figure this out. What are we doing? What's the conference? I'm going to cut out so many bad guesses. Yeah, I know. It's going to be ridiculous. All right, the Nuggets, we talked about Mello.

Yokic isn't going to be in there. I'm going to look at teams. Yeah. Let me pull up these teams real quick. Wow. Gosh, bro. And Dame is already on the list, correct? No, he's not.

Dame is not on the list. That's fucking crazy, bro. Lamarcus Aldridge Lamarcus Aldridge is on the list Let's go There we go There we go Okay

All you have left is number 10 Number 10 Gotcha I'm still very very shocked That oh boy That Kim of Love Was on the list Yeah

I mean he went to The Cavs in 2015 So like he only had Four years Is it Anthony Davis Nah That's a good guess It's not Anthony Davis

That's a good guess I'm surprising Anthony Davis and have more points in this guy. Mike Conley? No, fuck no. That's disgusting. Oh, he did. He did their front court. Yeah, front court, front court, front court.

This is crazy. We have one more. Yeah, this is insane, bro. We cannot, we're not fin it go out with the loss like this. And I'm not going out. It's not Yokic. Can't be Yokic. It's not Anthony Davis.

Obviously, like, it can't beat Tim Deng because he was a watch at that age or towards that end of this part of his career i'm going to just tell you tim duncan what you say i'm going to just tell you who it is no is it tim duncan no y'all right at a time the 10th player on the list is blake griffin oh yeah yeah i'm taking this one to the chest that hurt he's a very forgettable all-time player so like 13,000 points though that's all it took damn yep shout out to Blake fuck bro

no one even thought about the clippers unbelievable I've got one more TikTok segment left let's do this and get out of here because I had to use the bathroom we're gonna do something something you know classic I'm gonna name two players

you tell me which one's better right now okay right now yeah right now which NBA player is better right now Kyrie Irving or Devin Booker Oh, Devin Booker Devin Booker

Devin Booker because all the baggage of Kyrie But it's kind of close It's close but still Devin Booker Give me Devin Booker It is close It's not a walking up park But Devin Booker

Donovan why you think it's Devin Booker? I think Devin Booker Can play offball Just a little bit better Than Tyree And I think he does not true. I think the defense is better um i actually think that the defenses are like a wash yeah carrie's defense

is a little underrated booker my booker's also an underrated defender but yeah right it's probably a wash yeah i don't know i value the i think i think the fact that devon booker can get buckets and listen i know carrie does this as well they're both tough shot makers and tough shot takers but it's close it's hard they're very similar players very close very close um we can go booker because of the off court stuff and that is a part of of it is a chemistry element but I want to say it's a tie you could say it's a tie

I'm not mad at you but me personally like if I'm a franchise and I'm picking a player today just for to play for my organization to my organization for two day give me Devin Booker for sure actually timeout I'm switching I'm switching I'm going

Kyrie let's go I told you it's close you can go either way you're on your fuck Devin Booker propaganda again or what two things two things stuck out I think Kyrie is an underrated play for sure and and two's booker though yeah i but carrie for sure though um yeah so i think i re is an underrated playmaker and then also devon booker that little moment that he had with the mavericks that that front runner uh moment that he had it does not sit well with me so i'm

taking care of ring okay god bro anthony edwards or jaylon brown this is hard as hell this is disgustingly hard i'll take i'll take i'll take right now right now Now, right now, I think Jalen Brown probably is the better player. But that can literally change in two weeks from now. I'm going to go Jalen Brown's better right now until Anthony Edwards makes a little bit more of a leap of consistency with his off the dribble scoring and playmaking. But this time next year, it's going to be Anthony Edwards. Absolutely, bro. Jalen Brown is putting up the crazy numbers with literally no, with Jason Tatum, who was an MVP frontrunner in front of them.

So, yeah, give me, give me J.B. Yeah. And also, J.B is probably the better defender. even though his defense is kind of overrated. Yeah, it's inconsistent as hell. Yeah. But once that passing comes around with Ant, it's going to be him by a mom. That's wraps.

Jordan Poole or Josh Giddy? Josh Giddy. Give me the Bob Cousie type play style with the cool hair and the passing vision over the turnover machine in Jordan Poole. It's Josh Giddy. People aren't kind of like that because these kids love Jordan Poole. He's flashy. He got the ball.

He got the bag. He got the bad. He got the bad and he got the bad ease, bro. Josh Giddy is slow as shit but gets to the rim at will He's a great passer A solid defender much better than Jordan Poole It's got to be giddy

Yeah Josh Giddy Get it all over to court, bro And he's all crazy He had not a single move in a Not a single move in sight But he gets to every spot he wants Yeah Guaranteed you watching right now

Probably have a bigger bag than Josh Giddy Yeah John Morant or Shee Gilges Alexander Shee That's so crazy that it's that easy for you? Yeah, John Moran's coming off the bench right now, bro. Oh, shut up. Today, so, like, this is, it's an easy, easy question.

He's a bench player. I know why y'all is saying that. I'm going to resist the recency bias and go with John Morant still. I refuse to comment on John Moran at this time. You're saying that, like, you were part of the investigation. Samanda doesn't want to catch a Rico charge. I can see why y'all do that because Shea's rim pressure is, like, damn near as good as Jaws. but I think Jah is better

at utilizing his gravity to score to create playmaking opportunities he's not the best pass in the world but I think he's a pretty good playmaker and I think he drives off a little bit better Yeah I think John Morant's way more of a natural playmaker He was an elite playmaker in college

And that has translated in San Diego But that's just not a big part of his game anymore But when he comes to Shay's game It's so bulletproof Like you can't poke holes in it Other than like You say, the way you said that is hilarious. Yeah, I can see you saying that She's a more reliable score in the playoff setting.

Yeah, I can see you saying that She's just a better score straight up. I can see that. And you can also say he's a better defender than Jha. Definitely is. But I just think Jaws a better driver of offense overall in terms of impacting his teammates. Yeah, I can't be mad at that. But give me the bigger dude. Give me Shay.

Man loves big dudes. Let's not do this again. Cream City All right Jalen Brunson or Deeran Fox Oh this is tough I don't know what the answer is Is this one

Fourth quarter But Jalen Brunson Has been looking like a left-handed Lillard That's a good fucking name I like that That's fine So

Let's go left-handed Lillard Yeah I Listen I got a back my guy Jalen Brunson I got Deer and Fox Why I don't even know honestly

Like where do you draw the line Like there's similar levels of scores There's similar levels of passers Neither one of them are amazing defenders But they're also not bad I don't know where you draw the line here Yeah man I think it will be a lot

Oh man this is tough I think Dylan Ah man I've seen Jeremy Brunson In the playoffs before And he's done serious damage And now that he has a team That's catering towards him more I might have to flip sides

And say Jailen Brunson But something in my gut is leaning towards Mr. 4th quarter in Deerran Fox. I plead the fifth. Beam! I will go Deer & Fox simply because I like to shout out the word

Beam team. Exactly. Beem team! Damien Lillard or Anthony Davis. Damian Lillard or Anthony? I'll say Dane. Dame has been going

crazy. Now listen, the Blazers suck. They are trash. However, the one bright spot that they have in the entire city of Portland is Damian Lillard. And so, you know what I'll say, the Lakers suck, the Lakers are trash, the one bright spot they have right now is Anthony Davis. That is not true.

That is not true. They have more bright spots to AD. But is AD having the best season of his career right now? When he's healthy, damn near, honestly, like, he, so the thing is health, obviously, if you want to say Dan's better because he's more consistently healthy, can't be mad at it. But if we're looking at one of the both in the court, they've been like, dang, AD's been just as good production-wise. Damien Lillard scored 71 in the game this year.

Correct. I'm taking him. Yeah, I can be mad at him. The fact that I can just go to Damon Lillard and I know it's an automatic 30 and it's going to be an efficient 30. It's that, wow, I can't even talk. It's speechless. It leaves me speechless how good he is on offense. Yeah.

I just think there's an argument for AD because of the two-way impact. He's legitimately one the best defense players alive. But I can get behind going with Lillard just because he's such an amazing driver of offense. Like, I can agree with that. Yeah, exactly, bro. And to be honest, if I'm a team, if I want 80 to play a game for me, I don't know if we'll be able to finish that game. Injury free. Fuck around and walk out of the game with a sprained pinky, bro.

It's so hard to look at 80 outside the injuries when it's such a big factor. Yeah, exactly. We can go. We can go Lillard. And that's the last thing we have. I'm so tired. I feel like these TikToks kind of suck today, but we'll see what we can get out of them.

Yeah. Now, we got some good stuff. Yeah. If you're still here, comment, I have to go to the bathroom. P.P. City. Don't comment that. That's crazy.

The first one. The first one. We're getting out of here. We'll talk to you guys next week. Peace.