The Deep 3 Podcast - Ranking The Best NBA Duos After The Damian Lillard Trade | Ep. 56

Episode Date: September 28, 2023

Damian Lillard has finally been traded! We break down all teams involved and then rank the best duos in the NBA! Follow us on twitter to join the PS5 giveaway!: https://twitter.com/thedeep3podcast Check out the TD3 merch: https://the-deep-3-shop.fourthwall.com/ Join the TD3 discord!: https://discord.gg/RUkjpMPp7E Listen on Spotify!: https://open.spotify.com/show/3elbbqVumwqz8wlIdknsLW Listen on Apple Podcasts!: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-deep-3-podcast/id1657940794 Follow us on TikTok!: https://www.tiktok.com/@thedeepthree Follow us on Instagram!: https://www.instagram.com/thedeep3podcast/ Isaac's twitter: https://twitter.com/byisaacg Muhamed's twitter: https://twitter.com/Mojo99_ Donnavan's twitter: https://twitter.com/Dsmoot3D Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Guys, after three straight months of every week we get up here and we say there's nothing happening in the NBA, we're going to find stuff to talk about, but we're really going to be forcing it, something finally happened. And it wasn't just something. One of the biggest trades in NBA history, with no hyperbole, went down. Damien Lillard is a buck. How do y'all feel? I ain't a lie.

This is one of the, I want to say, this is one of the most feel-good trades of all time because everybody's been on their knees praying to the good. God, that that Damien Liller gets traded in mood for like the last maybe three, four, four years Matt two have been screaming this, bro. And it finally happened. And it happened in the most opportune, best possible place for him in Milwaukee. Facts. This has the opportunity to be one of like the five biggest legacy defining trades that like the league is ever seen with Janus on one side and Dame for both of them to go into like top, you know, top 25.

status, right? Janus is probably already there, but they're both going to, they're both going to level up at least two tiers if they get a ring. I didn't even think about, I didn't even think about that angle yet. Again, this is, we're recording this like, obviously the night of the trade happening earlier today. So I haven't even gotten to process that side of things yet. So I'm glad we're going to talk about it and get into what it means for the legacies, like you said, what it means for the Bucks title hopes this year, the Blazers rebuild. The Suns got in on this trade and somehow made moves that we'll see what you guys feel about it. There's so many angles to attack this thing from.

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Let's do it man Yeah man that's that's a checklist Let's jump straight into this Where do we start? We got to start with Milwaukee obviously They are I mean listen The championship robust

And like Yeah easily if that's like that's it and for them shout out to them because I did not think that they had anything in their arsenal to go out and make this trade happen I didn't think that they were gonna move off of Drew Holiday who just yesterday was like hey I'm trying to like retire a buck like I want to be here my entire career and then immediately get gets moved so like that's just you know so for people who for people who somehow don't know today at three team trade went down Damien Lood is on the Milwaukee Bucks

DeAndre Aiton and a first-on-pick from 2029 from the Bucks in a bunch of moving parts went to the Trailblazers and the Sons got Yusuf Nerkich, who apparently they fucking love for some reason, Grayson Allen, Nazir Little, and Keon Johnson. That's the details of the trade. And yeah, like Donovan

said, Milwaukee's championship robust. I'm going to go a step further and say they're the clear favorites to win at all, I think. They are. I think this is going to... We're going to quickly see that this is probably going to be the best duo in the NBA, which again, as you've seen the title episode, we're going to talk about the 10 best duels in the league later on in the episode. I think this will probably be won before, sooner or later.

And yeah, it's going to be to the point where if they don't win, I'll be highly surprised. It's not quite the level of like when the Warriors got KD and it's like they're for sure going to win, but it's fucking close. Yeah, absolutely. And for someone like, it's so close because Damien Lillard, he averaged like 32 points per game last season. And I feel like a lot of people fucking for. Forget that shit.

He was phenomenal. Had his best season as a pro in the entire NBA or throughout his entire career last season, bro. And the Blazers, of course, had nothing to show for it other than the number three overall pick, you know? So for someone like Damien Lillard, I think everybody's, of course, salivating over the team fit. Yeah, the Bucks have a potential starting lineup of Dame, some white dude or some good defender

or some shooter. I don't know. Chris Middleton, Janus, and also Lopez. like that is an insane starting five and it's a picture perfect bro picture perfect you have yeah like you couldn't pair there's oh maybe like only one other player that you'd rather have an NBA at the point guard

point guard position to play alongside yonnis and that's fucking maybe someone like step i don't know yeah yeah this is like right up there exactly yeah and um it's crazy the most interesting part like we're obviously we're gonna talk plenty about what this team looks like on paper it's just so

you've got to respect the hell out of the bucks for an office Janice every time you could this off season told people I will leave if you don't do the right thing

don't put a team around me that I can have trust in he saw that writing on the motherfucking wall saw Drew Holiday getting old saw Chris Middleton getting old saw Brooke Lopez

already being old and was like I don't know if we're gonna contend in three or four years if you don't do something about it I'm gonna go somewhere else that'll do that for me

they immediately jump on the superstar available and show that they're 100% about it and are going to build around him as long as they can. Yeah. It's funny though because like Dame is like 32 years old himself and his deal like every Janus is going to be like the youngest one in that core and they have a solid two years, maybe three just because Dame for the last couple years, he's he's gotten hurt plenty of times. Janus is the same way. Chris

Middleton is the same way. So like I think that this is a very, very much win right now this year. And then, you know, we can reevaluate like as each year goes by just based on what everybody's looking like. But if they don't win, if they don't win the championship this year, right, barring some other crazy move to where somebody, some other team gets like a very stacked big three, it will be one of the biggest, you know, disappoint. and failures that we can think of.

And it sucks that we're already putting that. It sucks that we're already putting that pressure. Of course you are. I mean, listen. Can you be happy for Bucks fans for a second? A lot of Bucks fans over here talking about something is the happiest I've been in years, man. You're talking about, man, this could be one of the biggest failures ever.

Damn. Yeah, you have, at worst, you have the second best player in the world. And you just got him a 32 points per game score to, to make up for everything, you already have a DPOY candidate at your center position. And now, Chris Middleton is your third option. Win the chip, fam. Man, you have to win the title. Like going back a couple, going back a couple steps to what Isaac said,

this is what makes the best people in the world point blank period. This permeates to every aspect of life being proactive. The buck saw the writing on the wall. Yonah saw it a minute ago, all the old age. the bucks of course they're just naturally out of disadvantage because they're in fucking Wisconsin Milwaukee who the fuck wants to ever go there who are they pulling his track record is trash you know and so by them realizing that Janus is a generational player this is probably the best player this could be the best player that our

organization has ever touched and also one of the best players in NBA history of course no shock to anyone so we need to go ahead and capitalize we need to go ahead and capitalize every ounce of it and to go they go ahead get rid of their entire future because the future doesn't matter because your future is right now right in front of you you know you have a 28 29 year old star and yonness power to him because he was on this dumb ass who let a lot of NBA players end up being on oh dameyler was on uh like loyalty forever i want to retire as a blah blah blah and also their shit dumbest in the world and he realized that and by him applying this pressure you're dumb i think it's dumb for sure it's like

She is whack. To a certain degree, yes, because a lot of, one more take, real quick, but the Milwaukee bucks, a lot of NBA teams, so they'd be willing to be content because if you already win a championship, what's a point of like going ahead and trying to win more? As long as you're pulling in the racks, they don't matter. Look at the point of trailer. A lot of the teams, NBA, their goal is not to win a champion, just championship just to become profitable.

So, yeah, shall be honest. You mentioned they traded away their future with the 29 first round pick. they already have other fresh run picks out in order to maintain their present and win championships. I would say that this trade specifically is also secure in their future because their future just begins and ends with the honest. He has another six years, let's say,

at the peak of his powers before he turns like 33, 34 and probably starts to fall off. If you didn't do this, he probably would have less than a year or two once his contract expires. So while it is a big possible, no downside of not having your 20-29 pick when he's probably retired or whatever,

you secured five years from now and probably still having him. So it's a balance that this is a good trade for the now and the future because you ensure that he's not going anywhere probably for the rest of his career. Yeah, they had to do it. They did what they had to do.

And now it's time to win chips. Like multiple. Let's talk about the players, like the team on the court, specifically what it looks like because Mo said it. Besides Steph Curry, there's not a single player

you can think of. That's a better fit with Yannis and Damien Lillard. If we look at Yonis' whole career, his playoff success, the only flaw-ish that you can look at in terms of him as a playoff performer is given the nature that he's a big, when it comes to like fourth quarter crunch time, he's not going to be the guy you want running pick and rolls because he's a big man.

He needs to be set up, like, it's not his skill set. He doesn't have the off-thribble jumper. If he can do his running dunk man shit for three quarters and then Damien Lillard can close it being one of the best closers we've seen in the recent NBA history, how do you stop that imagine 2021 when Chris Middleton was dicing people up in the playoffs

but this time is Damien Lillard and then when he's not hitting Chris is still there to do the same shit he was doing before. This is a dream case this is a dream scenario for Chris Middleton this is the perfect role for him bro you couldn't make any shit of that's better everybody involved is in the perfect scenario

for their skill set I guess what Pat content is probably gonna be the two playing defense like shout out Pat they have every single archetype you'd want to build around Janus like it worked in 2021 because they got Drew to have that lead guard initiator. Yeah.

But listen, all respect to Drew, one thing he's going to do is be asked in the playoffs offensively. So inconsistent, bro. He's going to fall off. He's not going to make shots. And a lot has been made that they're going to lose that defensive capabilities of Drew Holiday had, which was important to them. I get that. But when you add one of the three best picking roll ball handlers of all time, I think they'll

net out all right. I think they'll be fucking fine. Yeah, absolutely. They'll be okay. Especially when your back line has Janus and Brooke. Lopez, you're going to be okay, right? All you, you just need one of those, you know, first three guys. One of y'all has to be solid on defense.

Everybody else, you can get away with, you can hide, you can do whatever you want. But have people try to come to the rim against Giannis and against Brooke. It's going to be a tough time. And so, yeah, I think that's a very, very, like, equal trade and net positive trade for Milwaukee to go out and get Dame and put him in that position. because I also think that because they made this trade, it's kind of a sign to everybody else. Milwaukee's not as confident in Chris Middleton

coming back and doing the things that we saw him do two years ago because ever since he had that injury, there's been a lot more pressure on Drew Holiday to be that score. Chris Middleton's been working himself back in. And I think that they kind of know, okay, everybody else is getting older, can we expect Chris to be that same guy? And it's like, you know what?

if if chris middleton never turns into the if he never turns into the player that he was two years ago we'll be fine because we'll go get damien freaking lillard and everything will be okay and we'll relegate him to the third option and that's just a luxury that basically like no other team in the league has something that i'll say is like the immediate reaction when people try to pick holes through this trade is like of course you guys tacked on it the defense a lot of people just somehow forget that Brooke Lopez was literally in defensive player of the year arguments. Or he was top five. He was second.

He was second. Insane, you know. And so that's like not a worry in mind. And also people are talking about how weak their bench and their benches. Yeah, it's like not the strongest. But they have Bobby Portis. And also if you look back in like recent NBA history, the 2020 Lakers had like the 11th best best best bench unit. The Milwaukee Bucks in 2021 were like in that mid area.

The Golden State Warriors in that mid area. the bulk of bucks last year in that mid area so you don't have to have like an elite bench the Denver Nuggets of this past year they did not have a fantastic bench you know what I'm saying it doesn't fucking matter yeah yeah star power is above us above all else it's pretty much impossible these days I have a three stars and elite bench the only time it's happened is the warriors and that's why they were the fucking warriors like that's incredibly hard to strike that balance I guess what the raptors said in 2019 that's why they want the championship do like that's a rare instance so you know beggars can't be choosers you got to take what you can get

But yeah, back to the point of people trying to Nick, Nick pit holes in it, a nitpick holes in the trade. I saw, like, Skip Bayliss immediately tweeted, like, this trade made them a little bit worse. Bro, he's Celtic Shaq. He's Celtic Shaq. He's like, he's Celtic Shaq right now. He's washed. I have some numbers on that.

Like, people see that and like every NBA player says Drew Holliday is like the best defender that ever face that he's like incredibly important to this team, which, you know, you can see why they think that one-on-one defender. He's amazing. But I think a lot of fans over. overrate the impact of point-of-attack defense. Yes. From the point guard.

It's important. It's a good tool to have. It's not everything. Like Donovan said, when you have the best rim defense duo you could possibly imagine, it doesn't matter that much. Oh, yeah, he pulled up a Ben-Five for tweet.

He said the exact same thing. Exactly. That people overrate that. And I have some numbers for that. When Janice and Brooke were on the court last year with Drew Holiday off the court, the team had a 107.7. Defensive rating.

97 percentile won the best defensive units. That's what no Drew Holiday. When all three of them were on the core when Drew was playing, 106.9. The best point guard defender in the league made a 0.8 defensive rating difference. Not a huge deal. It matters, but people were like, who was Dame going to guard? Nobody's winning championships and beating the bucks by isoing Dame one-on-one attacking him in the mid-range. And they're not getting to the rim with Yonis and Brooke back there.

Like, it does not fucking matter. That's P-Brain thinking right there, man. It really doesn't matter. You look at that spot as if it's fucking black and white, bro. you know like and that like just goes into drew holiday discourse as a whole like throughout his career he was viewed as underrated and then all of a sudden in 2017 2018 2019 when he went ahead and did his thing i think it was 2018 actually 17 when they went against the trailblazers everybody's like drew holliday most underrated player in the

world blah blah blah blah blah those other shit he is fucking fantastic and i think he's be given his flowers but i think like you know i'm saying you took it to giving him a couple flowers to give him a whole bouquet and that's just like OD now and that's just not necessary he's nice but we're talking about over how about him like he's fucking Gary Payne or something we ignore the offensive flaws like 100% like people give him a pass more than anybody's ever got in the fast over the course of his playoff career with the Milwaukee bucks he's consistently shot 40% from the field 38 37% from the field in this last recent playoff run 40% from the field he's inconsistent as shit people forget that no it's not listen but it's not it's not even inconsistency he's

consistently bad in the playoffs like it's a very steady stream of just missing shots and like even even two years ago when middleton first got hurt and they're going up against the celtics if if drew played i don't know 35 percent of his actual offensive potential the butts probably win that series because janis was going crazy and they get to a game seven anyways like he has he has he had great moments in 2021 but the past two years they have needed him to step up offensive he just hasn't been able to do that so now you are going to like at the very at the bare minimum

like whatever Drew was averaging in terms of just scoring not even assist just scoring wise Dame can do that in his sleep like they're not going to they're not going to miss a beat you know offensively and it's going to be it's going to be

really really fun to watch them like all mesh and do it and do everything I can't wait and I can't wait and the most interesting part to me is Dame excels at exactly the things that this Bucs team struggled with last year. Donovan, you mentioned that Chris Milton kind of had to fall off after that injury and you feel like the Bucks maybe don't believe in him to come back to that level.

We'll see where that happens with the year. It's more just like insurance. Yeah, in case he doesn't, you know. Like internally, they probably still believe. Yeah, you've got to be worried about it, right? Exactly. We're going to get to Media Day and everyone's going to be like, yo, Chris Middleton, he's in the best shape of his life.

He looks better than he ever had. And then we're going to come out 20 games and like, hey, like, is Chris Middleton okay? Like, what's going on? Now it doesn't matter Yeah So like last year There were 13th in offense

You're before that When Middleton was healthy Fifth So like It makes a big difference Not having that And like last year They were 13th

And pick and roll ball handler Points for possession The Blazers Dumpsterfire team Were second Strictly because of Damian Lillard Yeah

You have they calling Gannes and Dame Freak Time Freak Time Freak time Bro Yeah Yeah

The Blazers somehow We're still second And pick and roll Ballhand underscoring Because Dame was that good So listen If you had Last year's bucks

who were 13th, making them the second highest pick and roll ball handler, while they're still one of the best pick and roll, role role men teams because they have Yannis. Like, they were 29th in isolation last year. The Bucks were ninth. I mean, the Blazers were ninth. So, like, all these things that the buck struggled with last year, Dame immediately fixes them.

So to the point where I'm like, what's their whole on offense going to be? Exactly, bro. I can't, I can't really think of one. Now, like, the only thing I can kind of think it was like... Yeah, sure. That's true. That's really it. True. Yeah. That's That's the only thing that's like glaring, but outside of that, like, I'm betting on your

honest to go ahead and put and be clutch because there's a lot of you did a couple of years ago against the Phoenix Suns when he had 17 for 18 free throws or whatever, some insane shit like that. But something about like, Damien, when I watch, when I'm thinking about watching this Milwaukee Bucks team, I can't see how they're not like a top three offense at worst. Yeah, I agree. And they're already a top three defense. Exactly.

And something I want to say is that, like, back to what Donovan said about Chris Middleton, you don't even need Chris Middleton to be peak Chris Middleton or champion to year Chris Middleton. Because Damien Littleer is one of the best players, one of the best players in the league point-blank period. Usually it would be 75% of what he is. And with the age and the constant injuries and shit like that, like, it's fine. He's, he'll be fine. And I have great respect for what they're going to do the season, bro. Yeah, they're going to be incredible.

Like in top three defense, top three offense, projecting, assuming nothing changes, assuming Brooke Lopez doesn't fall off a cliff, assuming Chris Millington can be solid, Yonness is healthy. I don't know how you can put any other team in their caliber right now. Obviously, the Nuggets still deserve the respect. We'll probably make it out of the West.

The Suns made big moves. But I just think no team can compare on both sides of the court right now. We got to talk about the Suns. Are we good on the Blazers talk? I mean, the bucks? Yeah, let's talk about Phoenix. Because to me, this feels,

like a trade where two things happen. One, they got DeAndre Ayn out the building. They must have hated him. They must have hated him. Because for them to trade Aitin who is much better defensively than Yusuf Nerkich and

get him and get Nurtig's in the building. Exactly. Both sides of the ball you get Aiton. They must have hated him. And it just feels like, like listen, there comes a point in every fantasy football season where you just make a trade just to do it. And then you look back in it like Listen, I just did this two weeks ago.

Yep. Right. I saw it. I know. Right. Listen, you make the trade and you're like, dang, like I probably shouldn't have done that. And that's why when I look at the Suns, that's exactly the vibe that I get because I don't think that they got better adding Nerkitz into that line of intending DeAndre 8 and out. Unless you're strictly talking about intangibles and like lockroom stuff and all that.

But on the floor, I think they got worse. I think that's complicated. Mo, what do you think, Mo? You go first for it. I think they got better, but also worse just from like when it comes to, it's just like mid, bro. Like they got better in terms of like, yeah, locker room, you have a dude who's fully going to buy into his role and do exactly what you ask him to do.

But at the same time, can he really do what you ask him to do? Because we all saw a quote talk about some, oh, we need a defensive presence and shit like that. And you go ahead. Yusuf Nurkich is a first name that pops in the mind that's available. I'd rather look at Dwight Howard before I look at use of Nurkis, bro. So I think they have limitations in terms of what they're looking for stylistically because Yusuf Nurkid as a player overall just has limitations. He's biggest hell, slow footed and all that.

But for what he does, I do think he's like a good C-tier center in the NBA. But overall, like I'm not really feeling the fit. But while I say that, I think they overall holistically did okay, good with this trade because they got a lot of like random pieces like grayson allen who's even though a lot of people don't like him he's a good player at the end of the day you know what I'm saying like I don't like grace and Allen because grace and Allen is another one of those dudes that be falling off in the playoffs I think for Phoenix like they I do want to give them credit because they did a really really good job filling out the rest of this roster filling out their bench when we all looked around

and we're like they have like no cap space who are they going to go sign and for what they had they did a really good job i just think like you have a lineup with devon booker bradley bill and probably what like 35 year old kevin durant and now use of nerchage like who is guarding on that team at enough of a championship level to where your team defense is going to be good enough to sustain itself in the playoffs and i just don't have faith in it looking at it right now yeah i think so I agree Aiden is clearly a better player than Yusuf Nerkich

and basically every facet he's a better score he's better defender better rebounder there's nothing on the core that I think Yusuf Nurchas at this day of his career does better than

Prime DeAndre Aden he's young still in his prime but I think it doesn't matter that like you said Donovan clearly they fucking hated his guts we all thought it was an issue with the coach the coach is gone

and they still felt him to me to me that clearly signals that Devin Booker probably didn't like playing with him because he's the only player that's left there for the whole time. Maybe KD wasn't rocking with him. And just the general ownership group thought that he was not a guy that should be in the locker room. And at the end of the day, it doesn't matter how good he is. If one, he wants more touches, two, he doesn't get along with the star. Three, he's just going to be a locker room cancer and not buy into the scheme that Frank Vogel needs the centers

to do to be that room protector. Then getting somebody less talented that's going to, you know, not rock the boat and mesh with them might end up ending them being a better team. plus getting a defensive wing in little Keon Johnson has potential I don't think he has a whole lot going from right now but no he's a young guy I can't believe you just said that pieces like there's

to get stuff and remove a locker issue they probably net out positively exactly that's what I'm saying like they got better and like worse at the same time like when I think of yeah like DeAndre Aden even though he's generally the better player like you said he's just a too

cool for too cool for school ass dude and you don't need that on an NBA he was trying to make 1980s deep ass runs and it's facts as hell too because you play

Doc Longdale over him bro there's no instance where that should be happening no universe but it happened

think about this way if you were the Golden State Warriors Deandre Aden is better at everything than Kavan Looney would you trade

for Deandre Aden if you had Looney probably not because you know Looney's in a binders role and you already have other stars

that demand a lot of attention and built around you're not going to want to build around your fifth starter you're not going to want to build around the fifth starter

that's okay that's true the warriors also have like a sustained culture to where like things are moving and the sons are trying to build that and he's an actively he hurts that you know what I mean remember this unless you're talking unless you're talking about the warriors or the heat there's only so much that the power of friendship can take you and and so like for the sons they're probably going to you know start training camp and they're going to be very happy and they're going to start the season and it's going to be very good let's start you know playing a lot of games and you need somebody to actually guard people and then you're looking around and he's like, yo, Y, Yusuf Nerkitz is not doing his job. Like, I want to see how

happy they are with Nerkich 45, 45 games into the season. For what they need, I don't think it will be that hard to try to find a replacement, whether that be through the buyout marker or whatever free agents that are still trying to get into the league. But regardless of the fact, if Al is the Portland Trailblazers, I would do this because again, he's a too cool for school dude and he is someone during his rookie post draft interview or whatever. This dude said my goal is to get a

max contract. That is the worst sign possible. You're probably going to get that anyways with the way the NBA was going at the time, bro. You know, so that just tells you everything you need to know. I don't read too much into that. I think that's just him being honest. I don't read too much into that. But I think even outside of, let's say he's not, okay, so he's probably

just like a dickhead that don't like being around the day. So that might just be the issue. But let's get him for the doubt. and say it's not a personal issue. Maybe it was just a coaching thing, him and Monty Williams didn't get along, him and him and Devin Booker have a just fine relationship. Even if that's the case,

the best thing he has over use of Nurkich is his offensive skill set. Yeah, yeah, but I'm saying Monty Williams hated him and Montever Williams is gone now. So a lot of people were like, maybe Frank Vogel, the relationship will be fine. Clearly fucking not. They got him out of here.

But even if that wasn't an issue, the best thing that he has over use of Nurkich is his offensive skill set. He has touched from mid-range's shooter, can do more at the ball in his hands, be a better finisher. defensively he's better than Nurkich a little bit but you saw him in the playoffs

and not like Aiton is not go bare he's not locked down he has because he has vast inconsistency issues and just isn't the toughest center so all the things that he does better than Nurkish aren't super important to a team that has three star ball handlers and they're going to create like 70% of your team's points so maybe the benefits don't really matter

for the specific team construction they had a number one overall draft pick in the building and they tried traded him for Grayson Allen and stuff. Like, you can say that. Or I can say they had a bad contract that a max contract for their fifth starter who doesn't really have much impact because he's their fifth starter. No, no, you can never say that because you can't say that because he was in the 2018 draft

class, which is historic, Shay, Trey, Luca, trip, all that. Like, you can't say that, bro. You have the number one overall draft pick. And, like, although, like, yeah, like, you know, bad contract, which was, which is still holds to be true. The expectation will always be there no matter what. Yeah, he's not going to get the attention that he wants. So you might as well send him somewhere he's going to get that

And bring somebody in that that won't even be an issue with this team think about it We talk about that this team has so little margin for error Because they have three stars who play the same way and they have a lot of weaknesses If you can eliminate one of those weaknesses which potentially could be locker room chemistry Right away and have one less thing to worry about you probably do it Aiden's going to be upset when it's Scoot Henderson's team He's going to be like I still can't do it bro Say, I can't go anywhere, man.

I'm sorry, he won't stop doing stepbacks. He's going to be mad. Oh, man. Jeremy Grant is still there, too. This is going to be, I don't see, like, he's not his team. He's going to be like, the Blazers are going to prioritize Jeremy Grant, who they, who they just paid a million dollars, not a million, a billion dollars to. They're going to prioritize Scoot Henderson, Anthony Simon, Shaden Sharp.

You start looking on the list, and DeAndre Adon, once again, is going to be like, the fifth option and like nobody no he'll get touches he's still young he's like me demanding touches like that he'll probably get more touches but they are not but they are not worried about dandre a and getting touches like that if it if it comes at the expense of scoot henderson silent sharp i at least not scoot scoot's going to be amazing and that is his team right now and i will

i will a hundred percent give him the keys aton just has to be upset because he's been wanting to you know go go into the post do his own thing and it's still not going to be his team on a roster where they were like they were tanking last season

I actually think it'll be a good fit for him because they have other guys like you said that are maybe long term in the franchise's viewpoint a bigger priority but the problem in the Phoenix is they have three guys

who want 20 they're going to take 20 shots a game so the math isn't there for them all the guys you talked about are bigger priorities but January Grant's not putting up 20 shots a game

scoots a rookie like there will probably be more opportunity for a there than there ever was. For sure. How many shots does Jeremy Grant put up right now? It's pushing 8. It's pushing 20.

It's pushing 20 for sure. I think he's pushing 20. 16. You don't mind. Lilith missed a lot of time over the years too. That's a lot of times he was getting him up when there was nobody there. Oh, no. He dropped down.

He dropped down. He's only at 15. If DeAndre Adon wants to have this perfect. Not as back up. That's back up. He's chucking. If John Jayden wants to have like the perfect Wonderland where you can take all these middies and like you said,

Donovan. all the post moves in the world. Yo, send him to the wasteland of the NBA, the Washington Wizard. You can ball out and do whatever the hell you want over there. No one cares. No one will be watching. That's Daniel Gaffertz team. That's Daniel Gaffertz team. He's going to take over.

It's his year. Yeah, man. I like this for the Blazers. Honestly, I guess we can move on from the Suns who it's, again, they got a worst player, but maybe it'll be less as more. The Blazers, how do you feel about it? Because, you know, the big talking point was they chose a package on Aiden over a package around Hero

probably because they already have guards and don't see Hero as a real easy fit with them do you think that was a mistake or was that right? I think that was a great decision. Yeah, yeah, I think they did the right thing. It's like you don't have, you don't have the space for Tyler Hero and I don't think any of us here

think that Tyler Hero is going to be some franchise altering player. So you might as well get somebody who still is young, still has a little bit of potential and fits with the pieces that you already have. And again, this is going to be Scoot Henderson's team eventually. And everybody hopes that that's going to be the case. And the Blazers have high hopes for him.

So let's surround him with things that he doesn't have right now. And when you already have, having Anthony Simons and Tyler Hero on the same team is extremely redundant. And it would be extremely frustrating to watch on a nightly basis. So they did the right thing going to game When I think about the pool and trailblazers, they're already fucked from the get-go. You know, there's not much they could have gotten But doing what they did was perfect and I prefer this trade rather than whatever they two picks or a pick from Miami simply because They're in the mindset of fix and flip you know what player can you extract the most assets and value out of and I mean it's crazy to say but drew holiday who's stated by the way he's gonna fucking probably retire in like two three years whenever his last contract is

or whenever his contract is that'll probably be it for him you know what I'm saying so really there's a world you think he you think his you think his life is that small he's no he said that he said that interview yeah exactly but in the same way that drake's like I'm a retire when I'm 35 like he's thinking about mortality but cap like when you see the 40 million dollars year coming in we'll see yeah exactly I agree with you but regards to the facts like I think Drew Holiday is a more valuable assets when even when even at his old age he will be because there's going to be some contending team who's yeah like feeding for that finishing piece similar to what the Milwaukee bucks did back in 2021 now they're not going to like get him for

a hall or anything like that but they're definitely going to get a first round pay now that's for Tyler hero you could bring him in shit may not work because he's redundant as fuck it's it's a it's like he doesn't do anything that fits and for you Simon's games well who you know what I'm saying is one of the pieces of your franchise so it's like it doesn't really make any sense you're thinking long term and again you're being proactive about how you want to move in the future so shout out to hero though because loki he's like actually you know yonness and dame are the biggest winners after that Tyler hero's the biggest winner because he gets to stay in Miami he does have to go to to port yeah he's having a great time right now yeah I'm glad you

mentioned that a drew holiday can still be flipped because i forgot about that it's another element and yeah like you said they'll get one first on pick for him at least maybe two if there's a bidding war at the deadline between contending teams that like maybe like you know the clippers the he whoever else feels like they need someone to push him over the edge they can maybe get two first on picks for him and make this deal end up being three picks and aton which i don't know i think i'm the highest person in the world right now on aton still i'd like him i think he has a lot of inconsistency issues and clearly had a chemistry issue with the coach he had before and maybe the players but I think he's good and people take his weaknesses and his issues he has

in the locker room and like act like he's a fucking scrub I like him being the big next to scoot in Simons if Simon stays their long term like I think it's a solid addition to help help those guards have a big that can you know you know run those picking rolls get them assist and like you need a foundational big for a young guard I think that's true but how much Is Anthony Simon's going to like DeAndre Atenre? I just, I really, I can't speak on that. I don't know. No, I mean, no, but like I'm looking at it from afar and I actually really, from like a team building perspective,

I see this as a major red flag that new, like a new coach came in and within two months, they were like, now, like you have to go when they don't have like a center. Like he was their number one overall pick five years ago. And they got it, they got a new coach because he was beef with them. And there's only one player now on that son's team. that was on the team when they went to the finals two years ago that to me looking at the suns looking at everything that they're doing and the fact that they were so willing to like to be a part of this trade and move on for for mayton in this sense that's really like revealing to me

and so i looker didn't fuck with him and like it is what it is it shows to me that the whole organization didn't mess with it yeah but then again like we said there's also basketball reasons why it makes sense and i have an offensive minded center there when that's not an important part of the five for that team So it might not be that. We can't just throw Aiden in the bus as being like a cancer. Like there maybe there's other reasons that could make sense. Donovan, let these fans be happy for just two seconds.

You probably might be right. The Blazers fans, let them be happy. They get to move on through this. No, they're cool. Listen, they did they did the right thing because for months, the heat and Pat Riley who, how did you mess this up? This is a generational fumble from Pat Riley. Like, Dame came out and when he asked for the trade,

He's like, listen, just trade me here. This is all I want to do. Can you guys just work it out? And Pat Riley couldn't figure it out. Had all the momentum in the world and they couldn't do it. And so for Portland, shout out to y'all. They stood on business. They didn't take a bad deal, right?

Miami was like, hey, do you want, do you want yo bitch? And Tyler, here, and they're like, no, like, can you add something else? And Miami just wouldn't do it. And they're like, okay, well, the deal's not going to get done. Like, they never folded. So I really do like this for Portland. But from, like Pat Riley. like you messed this up because you just went to the you just went to the east of

conference finals back to back years you've been to the finals two times in in four years Jimmy Butler and Bam are right there like you know that they are a piece away from actually winning a championship and you fumbled at the one yard line that was a fantastic transition to the Miami heat and their struggles this off season they lost Gabe Vincent I'm not going to say he moved mountains but he was an important piece you lost Max Trues didn't move mountains but he was an important piece you lost Cody Zeller whatever you gain Jaime Hawkes

nice close to the game they close to the game this offseason nobody and Josh Richardson and Thomas Bryant that's it doesn't matter bro this is terrible this is egregious to be fair they're gonna somehow with their voodoo magic Pat Riley's gonna put some grease in Josh

Richardson's hair and he's in a shoot 45% from three so that'll probably be a decent piece but yeah they lost all their guard depth and they couldn't do anything about it because they were holding up their assets in hopes that this trade would materialize and the fact that it didn't they sat on their hands and did nothing to replace what they lost it's got to be a disaster as a he fan right like there's no way of other than that jimmy butler you have agent kyle larry bro them cheeks are getting saggier

by the day bro he's 39 38 how much bald does he have in him bro how many random ass 12 point performances clutch performances can he give you nothing jimmy butler is fighting for his life bio can only do so much as a second option get this man some help how can you see your team at the tippity top of the iceberg bro and just say nah i'm good and continue to put gel and grease on here and just watch everything happen burn and unfold bro but they're the miami heat and they just do the most random shit ever we're going to see the final they got just in champagne they might be all right get out of here i don't want i don't want to hear about this is the second straight off season that Miami has decided to stand pat and not do anything and listen jimmy butler has something i under i

understand jimmy butler has you know whatever you know movie power inside of him that can that he could just will people to wins when the playoff comes around that that ends here and i know that like i was i was one of the people at the end of as i guess at the end of last or two seasons ago to start of last season where I was like, oh, like, we have to give Miami their credit and people were kind of counting them out and now everyone just doesn't want to count Miami out. I will do it. The Miami heater, the Miami Heat are done.

They're done. They're cooked. If they wanted to do something, they should have made a move this all season. They should have got damned and they didn't. And so I'm, listen, Kyle Lowry is still a foundational part of this team. And like Mo said, he is old in several ways.

The cheeks are saggy. Say it, Donovan. I'll say it for you. The cheeks are saggy. Sex appeal is gone. You got it. Those are your words, not mine. No, no, no. That phrase? That's a most special. No, no, no. No, no. So you're saying, oh, so Donovan's saying the sex appeal is still there. He's standing by last episode. Oh, he's carried by sex appeal. These cameras are 4k now, boy, you can't escape this. I'm saying that Kyle Lowry needs to be in a carpool line and needs to be picking up his kids and be a family man.

And he should not be on the court in the NBA finals. And he won't help that he get there. they messed up by not getting dim that's what I'm I agree now the more I'm thinking about it now they lost Struz and Gabe Vincent maybe they're just Miami merchants and maybe Miami makes everybody look good maybe Jaime Hawkes and Richardson

can just give them the same thing Richardson is not that different from Struce Jaime could maybe give them the same impact that gave Vincent so maybe they'd be alright but like you said it's just complacency when sure they've earned the right to run it back when they made the finals and you

We were so close feeling like you had a chance to win the championship. But do any of us, like you said, you don't, you're counting them out. Does anybody really think that they should have been there? Like they earned it and they were in that position. But talent-wise, it's not like they were so good and so confidently the best team of the East that they should have that type of confidence. You know what I mean? Bro.

They have the same type of irrational confidence that the Toronto Raptors have in OG and Nirobe. That delusible. We like that. We like that. We got no worries, bro. we're going to make it back we're going to spend a block what are you talking about the NBA is getting better and better what are you waiting for bro this is your time to strike you know what I'm saying like sitting on your hand just looking at the sky bro it's like it irritates my soul because

now you're just wasting Jimmy Butler who could have one of the greatest underdog stories of all time exactly they've made it to the finals two years off of pure irrational confidence and now one of the best players in the league says I want to go there and you've looked at your team and probably have known for the last two years, oh, yeah, we're a piece away from, like, actually deserving and being good enough to be in this position. And we don't have to, like, hope that everything breaks our way or hope that we just, you know, play the Celtics

who can't figure out how to win a championship. But they decided to sit on that. They fumbled. This is a, this is a move where, like, they are going to regret not doing for years to come. Because I think that if they got dame, the fit that we're talking about with Milwaukee and having Dame and Chris and Yannis

and that being beautiful, the chemistry between Dame, Jimmy and Bam would have also been one of the best trios in the league. And so it's not like you were just throwing stuff together hoping that the basketball works. The basketball was going to make sense.

It was going to be good. And you chose not to follow that path. It's frustrating. I agree. The way we're talking about the Bucs, the clear championship favorites could have been the heat today if they would have put the assets in

but I don't know maybe a lot of people always want to have teams go all in and cash out and sometimes it proves to be better to rock with what you got and give you know team chemistry

and consistency time to go we'll see if that's the case of them I don't think any of us believe it will be but they've proven us wrong so many times I'm hesitant to completely write them off yeah I can never write them up after what they did

last year especially with the roster that they have had top to bottom bro i can never write them off again i will give them i will definitely be on their neck and applying health pressure and just point out the flaws in the complacency that they've had especially specifically this season or this off season with the golden opportunity that wasn't handed to them of course because i'm sure the point show we're trying to yank their entire arm and so like that but at that point do it because this is a clear gateway that puts you at the upper echelon of the NBA so man the miami heat i just

now if I'm a Miami heat fan all you got to do is write it out let Jimmy try to carry you through all these treacherous times I can't say anything on this podcast that's like your fourth I literally can't say anything though What has happened to society

Anyway look they're cooked They are not making the conference finals Like they're not they're just not doing it I wouldn't pick them either but not going to run them off I think that's enough conversation about all the teams involved in this trade I think we should move on to what the episode has titled around, and we should take the Damien Lillard and Janus pairing and rank them

along with the other duos in the league and give them our top 10 duos. Let's do it. You guys ready for this? That's wrong. Hell yeah. Yeah, man. So I, let me tell you guys what I was thinking with this list. I want a mixture of talent and accomplishment because, you know, both matter.

I leaned a little bit towards recent success and not just talent. You'll see that with one specific ranking on here. but end of the day the baseline is who are the best players in the league playing together that's what it is for me okay

so we'll start from 10 and go down to one we'll do that okay we'll go one by one given yeah we each give our same number and keep going

first off at number 10 I have John Morant and Jaron and Jaron Jackson Jr. Wow okay were they in your guys list because I didn't know

they're on my list they have to be on my list they are they've they they did not make my list they're proven playoff duo even though they haven't done much in the playoffs they can fucking get there yeah I mean they can fucking get there bro

and we forget just a couple years ago they didn't make the conference finals no they didn't make a conference finals no okay I'm tripping never mind yeah but they did have you're right why did I say that I don't know what I think I was confused my head with them making a two seed as I'm having an accomplishment

that was that popped in my head Yeah, exactly. I like that. I like that. I put him a little bit higher because I'm kind of projecting into the future and Jaws still Jolly, even though he's a delinquent. He's still one of the best point guard in the NBA and John Moran. Not John Moran. Jaron Jackson Jr.

The allegations spotlight will be on you this season for sure because at Phoebe performance and all the other shit. Oh, who cares, FIFA. Defensive player of the year, he's still a great fucking player, bro. Yeah, yeah. You have a defensive player of the year Legitimately one of the best defensive players alive And an all NBA guard I'm curious to see who you have at 10 Donovan

To leave them off My first cut was Donovan Mitchell and Darius Garland That's the one I considered over them I just went with these two Because I feel like Jaws comparable To Donovan Mitchell And Jaron has just done a little bit more than Darius Garland has

But I wouldn't be mad at them swapping out Nice Well I'm glad you said that Because that's my 10 that's that's my that's my that's my that's my 10th duo i have d mentioned and there is carlin okay so i get that were you considering putting jaren and jock yeah they were i i made my list top down so i was like rattling off duos and so like i just didn't get to john jaron jackson junior but um so it wasn't like a first cut type of thing but i do i just like the parent

I know that it's like two small guards and it's very hard to win in the playoffs with that but they I think having a back quote with them and both of them being so dynamic on the ball like they can play up they play off each other so well they give your team so much flexibility offensively

to always have an elite ball handler like they are they're great and so I'm gonna put them at 10. Yeah the only problem is too they give zero offensive I mean defensive production between the two of them like it's not even like there's like one like jaron and jah jah doesn't give anything defensively jaren does like it's not split it's just like two non-factors so i think that

was a weighted down for me yeah i ain't mad at it i am at my number 10 um it kind of feels weird to say but genuinely i just feel like they're number 10 and it's dearen fox and subonis um great offensive duo okay you know they did not they did not make my list but i'm after last year they can deserve that respect. Yeah, they deserve it. I don't know if they deserve it, but it's understandable. And my, with what Deer and Fox did last season, especially in the clutch and how consistent Sabonis was, although yes, Isaac, we all know you, he has, subonis has genuine flaws in point to where I think they have limitations. And that's why you didn't even do shit to you, man.

You're calling him a fraud. He has had real playoff failures at our blunders. We all saw his flaws and all that, but regardless of all that said, he just got, he just got fucking decimated by Draymond Green. What do you mean? He got the sonic coins kicked out of him. We all know.

He got to put in a blender for seven games doing absolutely nothing of value. Deeran was hard carrying because they said, I'm going to sit in the paint make you shoot and he fell apart. Yeah, Deeran was trying to carry

with his broken pinky. But regardless of fact, with what they did so far, high level offense, I have to give him the knot to put him here at number 10. Respect me. That's fair.

Okay, so I'm curious who you left often because you have John and Jaron up high, left somebody off that we included i don't have them high i don't have them high yeah but either way you have mon here so yeah there's one of two duos you must left off i'm curious to see which one i'll go forward at nine i have joel and b and james hardin which is crazy low if you ask me a year ago i would have been like three i don't know yeah but i'm so jaded by these players like i've been a james

hardin fan for a decade and just the constant disappointment in the playoffs now he has big james Harden next to him who does the same shit every year I can't convince myself that this team is going to be good in the playoffs until I see it so until further until they prove otherwise this team's going to fail the playoffs every year and I can't put them higher knowing that's going to be the outcome you see I did not put them in this tier list because not tearless my bad but in this list because James Hardin literally last night or two nights ago he was in a fucking club in Houston with signs with bottle girls holding Darry is a liar. It's on God. And no one cares because Damiener's yes, bro. It's on Twitter, Nikiel. Look that shit up, bro. He's all he was on he

was at the club with that shit up there. So I'm like I can't put him up there. I can't put Jewel and Bede with whatever player Tyrese maxi on this list because I like Tyrese maxi doesn't have the accomplishments and also I don't think he's necessarily as good just yet as anybody So it's like, bro, how can you put James Hardin in this list, bro? You know what I'm saying? Like, I just can't do this. It's fucking insane.

It's so immature, bro. You have bottle girls holding that shit up? How much do you pay for it? That's hilarious. I got to pull up to camp. I got to go. It looks late. You should have been outside.

No, thanks. That's down the block. But that's fair. If you want to not include Hardin because the fact that he's not going to be a six of that much longer, go ahead. I was like, He's still a sixer. It doesn't look like they're about to trade him before the season started.

So they're probably going to start the year with them on there. And they're too talented to not have them on the list at all. But they got to be towards the bottom. So I thought they're on there. I thought the complete anniversary of you. But I digress. I don't know what it's looking like. What's number nine?

I got the same thing as Isaac. I have James Hardin and Big James Harding. Like I wanted to give them just a little bit of respect just because like MB did win MVP. but like it's what like Isaac said they are generation of chokers we've yeah i don't think we've ever seen this combination of choking on one team oh okay and when doc rivers is a coach bro nobody's ever choke as hard as they choke yeah whoa like deep to their core they choke like that is crazy okay wow nice there's large amounts of choking and just versatility in the amount of Okay, at number nine, I have, um, shit.

You know my mom be watching this shit, bro? What am I supposed to say? Anyways, number nine, I have John Morant and Jaron Jackson, Jr. Fair enough. I like them better than Sabonis and Fox, and they are, they just have a bright future together in my mind, feed off of each other perfectly. And I don't know what necessarily,

Jaron Jackson Jr.'s Max potential is, but I see a clear pathway to Dom Moran being a consistent top three point guard in the entire NBA and just being an absolute force. Yeah, I don't know

what to expect from Jaron's next couple of leaps either. I think there's still, there's room for improvement and he can make some offensive leaps, but I don't, it's not a guarantee. This might be near final product, Jaron Jackson.

So. And if it is, that's great. Yeah, for sure. So that's why they're in the top 10. I don't know how much higher they can jump but I won't be shocked at the jump until like close to top five territory if Jeremy has to win games that's really it that's all they can do

and they've done it they've for their whole tenure together they've been a successful team especially for the standards they inherited they didn't inherit a good roster they made it a good roster like they don't have they have one player series win

yeah but they're a constant top three seed in the west which is not easy to do for a young team and they immediately became that good So consistently top three and only one playoff series win? Yeah, well, okay, well, let's do different circumstances involved in that. Last year, there was all the hoopla. And the year before that, they lost the Warriors who were the team that won at all. So, like, you know, like, they didn't fail.

They lost to the Warriors and lost to the Lakers in a hard-fought series when there was outside circumstances that ruined their team chemistry. And also, John broke his hand. That's very important. And Stephen Adams was in there. And Brandon Clark wasn't there. Yeah, so. Didn't they scored nine points in the first quarter?

Oh my God they did They got their backs blowing out Absolutely embarrassed bro Oh my God Andy Davis Masterclass The best defensive player In the year of the playoffs Put on a master class series

I give the credit to him More than I do the grisies family So listen if you could score double digits In the first quarter You can move up my list You can be higher That game was an Anthony Davis Masterclass

In a Dylan Brooks disaster class Brookes disaster class bro Too is ridiculous Number eight another similar circumstance to Hardin and Big Hardin, but a little bit different. I have Kawhi Leonard and Paul George. Another one that talent-wise

should be top three, four, at worst five, but they just can't get it done. And not for the same reason. It's not because they're at their core chokers, not the problem with them. There's at their core brittle. And at this point,

they choke because they can't stay healthy and give themselves a chance because they've just been unlucky and it's not broken that way for them with their leg. So it's the same thing where Until they have a chance to actually do it I can't rank them high That's great

Nicker's just tighter than the Brittle Bros I love that's fantastic It's not even really their fault Like there's been times where like in the bubble They fell apart It's the bubble that happened Like Paul George had a good run To the conference finals without Kauai

Kauai was looking great last year Before he got hurt They come so close to putting it together But there's always something in their way Outside of their control And I can't give them a pass for being unlucky. That's fair.

Okay. I can't go against that very valid argument. I'm not as I don't have as much vitriol for them is like Donovan probably does like I don't really hold it against them it's not their fault

it's just unlucky they get hurt a lot that's that's funny listen we'll talk about them later and I might and I actually feel kind of nasty doing this oh god but I'm putting Luca and Kyria 8

what the hell okay I didn't put them in my top 10 at all because hasn't been a time how off of purely Lucas talent. I think Luca is, he's one of the best players in the world. And when they are on the floor together,

offensively, they're, they're fantastic. And I think that they actually do work a little bit better than people thought that they were going to work. Like, you know, when the trade first happened, people was like, oh, like, what are, you know, late games situation is going to look like, who's going to take the last shot? They actually worked really well in tandem.

And Kyrie plays offball a lot, a lot. better than people give him credit for so oh for sure i think that last season listen last season was a disaster and i don't want to give them a pass for that but i also knew that last season was going to be bad and so i think that this year you give them a full training camp you give them kind of like an offseason to figure out everything let things kind of calm down and so this is a little bit projecting but i do like them a little bit more than than the first two that's fair yeah they'll definitely earn the way onto this list for sure I just didn't do it yet

just because all we've seen the only evidence we have is failure until they can go 500 together I can't put them up then yet listen that's fair I told you I didn't feel great about doing this but like Luca and like Kyrie

even as like crazy as Kyrie's last few years has been whenever he's been on the floor he's still been he's been extremely productive so yeah I respect if you're looking for it if you're looking forward to next year that's perfectly valid I probably said

the same thing realistically because you know we're in a new calendar year we're going forward not everything's about last year anymore i feel it it's fun but you do have to account for what you did see and you're not wrong for that isaac but um just like you donovan i do have them on my list in the similar range but actually number eight i have donovan mitchell and darius garland um oh okay they're fucking surprising okay i wish i could put them higher but i feel like everyone else that I have above them has just simply has a higher ceiling as a duo not even talking about a team that's a whole different conversation that I'm not trying to have right now but as it do I think they they bounce off of each other pretty well and there's nothing that these guys can't do

outside of like play great defense which is like what's kind of holding them outside of half the game yeah exactly but when it comes to offense they got the whole nine bro you know what I'm saying they can do half of everything really well yeah don't which is a lot thread. He's a great secondary playmaker. Dary's growing. This is a fucking... Hell yeah, bro. He can be that if he fucking wants to. He's Donovan Mitchell. Spidey, man.

But, like, okay, relax. Hey, hey, with how you were in love with the creeping cavaliers last year? My bad, my bad. I forgot. Your mom watches this. My bad. I like it. I take him back.

I appreciate that. But yeah, I got them. I got them at eight. I could easily see them growing on this list to maybe top six or like top five, but that's just like a superstar power type thing at that point. The thing I'm wondering is, is it eventually going to be the DeMitch and Mobley duo? Is Mobley going to pass up Garland and be that second star to Mitchell? I feel like they might need you for this team to really hit their ceiling.

I don't think that they need him to be. I think as long as you have those two guards are good. you just can't have mobly be a negative offensively and you need him to be actually like competent plus and then once once he gets competent plus offensively then i think you can move jared allen out the way you can start you know worrying about the fit a little bit more but he just can't be you know what he was in the playoffs last year he has to be as good as jaron jackson offensively he has to have that perimeter shooting a little bit of ball handling to create a little bit like he's got to be as good as

Jared, I think. Is Deeran, okay, just random side question is, who's better, Darius Garland or Jaron Jackson, Jr.? Ooh. Because like, that's trying your philosophy right there as you just said. And I, do you think Jared's better? Wow.

Yeah. He means a best, he's a defense player of your caliber, rim protector, and being a good offensive player. I think, you know, and Garland, granted, we said it before, point guard defense doesn't matter that much. But when it comes to the fact

that Jaron brings that much, defensively, you, he's, Garland should bring a little bit of something, you know, like, it's hard. Garland is not like a true offensive mastermind to make up for that entirely the way Jared is defensively. I kind of disagree. Actually, that's not a mastermind defensively. That's generous. Yeah.

One thing I say, see, I challenge you on that because it's such a side note, bro. I love Garland because he is a fucking, and he's a great score. And also, he's a fucking fantastic facilitator. And I think your ceiling is a lot higher. when you have someone who's solidified and insane at what he does compared to someone who like jaren jax is going to give you consistent defense but the fouling issue and also your 6 11 but you grab me you give me the same amount of rebounds as fucking drew holiday on and why are you talking about fba still fuck fiba this isn't this is a consistent issue for his entire career it's not only

he's talking about mb yeah this is an NBA this has been this has been him in MSU this has been him his entire life bro this rebounding and filing has been like the biggest issue issue of his NBA of his basketball queer point blank period. It just got exposed. I don't think his rebounding hurts his team though. I think his rebounding is fine. You're right. He's not a he's not a super impactful rebounder. I agree. But you know, that's why he plays next to a center. That's why he'd never be a starting center. But yeah, obviously the fouling is an issue. You're right. As a big I'll take. I think I'll take Darius. I think I'll take Darius just because I would get less annoyed with the fouling. Yeah. That's just a personal. I get it. It's hard. I might go

Darius too the more I think about it, but that's a tough one. You might have just asked who's better, the 34th best player in the league or the 35th? Like they might be like right next to each other. Yeah. That's a great comparison, man. I know. Right. I love basketball.

Number seven. At number seven, I have Jimmy Butler and Bamato Bio. Wow. I feel like that's too low. But when I went, we'll talk about it when we get the next names above them. I ended up going with a duo right above them that I feel like he's just more talented. And I didn't love. let the, you know, results blind me with Jimmy and Bam.

Like, it's easy to be like, they made a finals again. They should be top three or top four. It's a team game. A lot of circumstances come into play. I don't know if Bam is the caliber of player that makes me put them above more talented duos who haven't had as much recent success. So we'll wait until you see the bigger names, but I have those arguments. I know exactly where you're going with six.

And listen, we're in lockstep right now because I have Jimmy Butler. and BAMM at 7 too. Okay. I just, I think that when you talk about the success, I want to give that success more to Jimmy Butler in like an individual type sense, rather than play, you know, on the duo. I know that BAM has had his moments offensively,

but he has also been inconsistent in terms of like, you know, like a very, very good offensive player in the playoffs. I want to give them their credit because they are, one of the more successful duos that we've seen on this list but actually once you get into the top five a lot of them are really really hard to overcome so yeah I think this is like

six is probably the highest I can go with that yeah yeah there's one debate between seven and six after that it's like no brainer I think yeah wow what about you Mo where you going we're almost right here but we're not sadly I have Luca and Kyrie at seven um this is me projecting because like i think like you said earlier donovan like although yeah

they weren't all that great and all the other shit last season for what we've seen but i'm going to like although like we're just talking about straight up duels and how well they play off of each other and just when it comes to one two punch and NBA i think they are that um and i think once they have people around them who play deep and just simply play their fucking role like don't run don't jump man and also somebody at the corner great Williams it's all they need bro and I think they'll be able to bounce back or bounce off each other pretty well and um yeah I'm just projecting heller bro yeah yeah no I agree I respect it like I didn't even really consider them

because I was going off last year but I respect the line of thinking like they're obviously going to be on this list next year so why even wait like you know where they're going to be you might as well project so I get it it's look it's like a star power thing for me also like if Luca if Luke was like any worse and I'm like I'm not considering it but yeah that's kind of how it is with a Hardin and Big Hardin I'm like he wanted a P so he's got to be on here Lucas better than him he doesn't fall apart in the playoffs so maybe I should have put him on there anyways that's that's true Isaac before before you get to six I want to say my six first because I want to see if I if we're actually

like here I want to say at the same time three two one yeah say the team name three two one okay all right three two one Celtics damn Y'all are not here. Oh, we're not aligned. Oh, no. Okay. Okay, so at six, I have Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown. At six, Donovan has Kevin Durant and Devin Booker.

Yeah. Spoiler, I didn't even hesitate. Katie and Booker are easily higher. Oh, my goodness. Wow. Okay. I put them here. I thought that this was like the highest I could put them because we haven't really.

Like, their talent obviously speaks for itself. They just haven't played it all together. so this was the like everybody above them has legitimate success outside of one that like was recently formed but like yeah they are this feels like the high end of their range for me I wanted to give Tatum as listen as much as I hate on the Celtics as much as I clown them they've they've been one of the more successful teams over the last four or five years I have Katie and Booker very high I think apparently it's going to shock you I just think that it's like do you have It's like a...

Don't answer that question. I won't confirm more than I anything, but I clearly have them top five. And I think it's just like they're so fucking good. It's like we're holding time against Luca and Kyrie because they immediately failed.

So it's like, how can I not? I'm not going to hold time against Evan Booker and KD. They didn't fail. They put up... They did well. You know,

they lost to the better team to end the day, but they both showed out. Katie didn't have the best starts to the series against Nuggets. Devin Booker was on fucking fire. Katie recovered. He still Kevin,

Durant, I think if you have two top 10 players, which Devin Booker's pushing the doors the top 10. He's probably top 10 these days. You're going to be top five, you know, especially when you haven't had failures like Hardin and Big Hardin. Like, you got to be top five, I think. I like that, man. I like that. Yeah, I agree. I agree for sure. I don't think you guys' placement is outrageous, which one I will pick out of the two Tatum and Brown at six or Katie and Booker at six. Katie Booker are higher from me as well. Top five for sure. Um, but, um, but But my six is actually your seven. You guys are seven.

Jimmy Butler and Bam. For Bidum, literally the same exact stick that you guys said. We can just go ahead and move on to the top five. Okay, you give your five, Mo. Let's go back to you. Let's make this. All right. Number five, Tatum and Brown.

Now, I wish I could put them higher. I wish I could put them higher because, you know, I'm saying? They've came so close on a consistent basis to, you know, I'm saying, finally lifting up that trophy at the end of the season. but as a duo I don't think like obviously we all know we've been talking about this for a minute they don't complement each other perfectly whatsoever they're exactly the same archetype of player well not necessarily archetype they do different things obviously but they don't necessarily help each other's strengths at all bro and they don't cover each other's weaknesses that's the

biggest point we're there they don't cover each other's weaknesses like someone like a yonis does to damela or yokey does to jemal murray even though you know you know know what I'm saying, Jamal Murray and Jalen Brown are like, yeah, type players. What Jamal Murray has, the passing of Yolk has just puts them to the upper echelon, you know what I'm saying? I can say that to about the same thing about several other players and there's nothing, but there's no synergy between this deal. It's just like, you can hoop and get a bucket and you can hoop and get a bucket and y'all can play defense, but that's it, bro. Yeah, and to be fair, you could say something similar about Katie and Booker. I just think that they're just more talented.

like Caden's better than Tatum might be better than KD these days that's fine Booker clears Jalen Brown so fucking easy it's not even competition so that's what gave them the bump to me

to put them in another stratosphere I agree with you about Tatum and Brown they don't compliment each other at all I ding them the same reason I ding Mitchell and Garland where I thought

they're two very talented players but they're not in the sense of a duo like you said elevating each other it's not like you know hard and big hard and they run their pick and roll can feed each other

and you can in the same play get your two best players the same level of impact and both contribute to winning in one play can't do that too much in Mitchell and Garland I don't think you can do that at all with Tatum and Brown I agree that's what comes down to like

it just comes down to people above them are either more accomplished or more talented because Jaylon holds Tatum back a little bit but just a little bit Brown's still great obviously but yeah I mean above him I think are different tiers yeah I agree 100% Donovan who's your five I have Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown

I think like listen these are two guys that are both all NBA caliber players and in terms of everybody else on on the list that we've already said they have gone actually well you can make argument that jimmy and bam have gone further since they've made two finals but they are consistently at at the top and i think that they are just better than uh jimmy butler and bam but while i agree that like the best duos compliment each other and like they cover up each other's weaknesses that's and listen we're going to see that as this list progresses there's also something to

what mo said you could hoop and get a bucket and you can hoop and get a bucket and so i think that for their failures this is also on the boston celtics for not surrounding them with a legitimate point guard and they instead told marcus smart to run point instead of going out and getting a legitimate point guard and even this offseason you still didn't do what you needed to do you went and got Chris Tops for Zengis, so we'll see how that works out. But I don't think that their flaws, I think their flaws are partially not, yeah, I think it's their fault. I also think that it's management's fault for not hooking them up with somebody who can cover them up and making them one of the best trios in the league. But this, if you are starting a team with this duo,

your team is set up for a success in a very, very great way. For sure. Yeah, and that's why I have met six, he has met five. I just think everything you said applies to Katie and Booker as well. they're just like both better again those buckets like it's just like the same it's at the same duo but just better in most ways besides obviously Tatum is so much better

defensive than K actually I wasn't saying Tatum is so much better defensively than KD but listen old man KD is putting on a defensive renaissance in his career so maybe that's not even true he is better Tatum is better but maybe it's not a wide margin I don't know it's hard to gauge

KD compared to other players these days because he's so hurt yeah yeah anyways at 5 I don't have Katie and Booker they're higher at 5 I have Steph and Draymond Wow. Okay. Nice. I like that. It's a debate. I think that this is just like Steph and insert second best player here. Yeah. I gave Draymond the nod over Clay because Draymond is so important to their defense and keeps them afloat on that side of the ball, foundational player. Even his short role passing offensively makes our system go. He's so important. He is the X's and O schemes just as much as Steph is. They both are completely essential and that's why. Steph is, it's why Drey's part of the duo, he's just so much less talented than say

Devin Booker. So I can't. Back hurt in this bitch, bro. His back hurt. Man, got scoliosis when it comes to this shit, bro. He's easy, the worst player probably on this entire list, but, or Dremont specifically, but like, it doesn't matter because he's so, that team doesn't go without, without him, you know, like, sorry to say, but he's worst player on this list.

Yeah. But he wasn't always, you know, he just another. older diminished version of himself he kind of lost that offensive punch but the fact that he can still have this much value to a very successful team despite not being the athlete he once was says so much about him and how important he is as a player facts so i think that still makes him a top five duo easily clearly you guys agree but i just again k d and booker are going to be two top 10 players that is so hard to put together if draymond could shoot like how we was shooting back in 2015,

2016, 2014 type shit. It's just one game. It's just one game. The huge thing like that. No, he shot 40%. He's like 38% for a year, though.

No, that one game was the highlight of his career. That changed. You don't have to put up Dremont stats. I know. I'm, oh,

man, yeah. I agree with all your points. So, Isaac, Dremont Green is just irreplaceable. I'm sure,

like, when people think of duos are most people they might think Steph and Clay because point for game stuff and whenever like the generic basketball fans looks at any page look at the who's averaging first most points and second most points and that's the deal

but really like you know Clay when you think of it stylistically clay it's fucking fantastic and he helps make that team go to because he understands the game and he is able to maximize his talents but if I'm keeping it a bean you Clay is replaced I hate to say that because he

is monumental to that team but he's also like you know at this state at this state in age too like he's not he's not like that or at least he's proven to be that not like that yeah but

okay so I'll demise of my next one at four I have KD and Booker if you want to put Stefan Dre above them because they deserve the credit go ahead going forward I think Katie and Booker clearly the better duo the Warriors can be in the better team

because of everything that comes into that equation. But I think just two players versus two players, it's them. Listen, if we're doing two on two at the part, like, yeah, I'll take Katie and Booker. Four chips. Great. I think even four more at this point of their career is probably not. Four chips.

And I think that, like, but for them to be as in sync as they are. Like, I don't think that there's any duo in the league that is as connected as they are and we've talked about it step handles offense dray handles defense and even though that drayvon doesn't even want to look at the basket offensively he's still able to be a positive on that end sometimes with his screening and his passing and so yeah i'm putting them at four i'm going to give them my respect and everybody else on this on this team if draymond could average you know 10 points a game they might get to three but he doesn't so I'll put him at four okay that's fair I ain't mad at it whatsoever what about you Mo who's your number four

my number four I have Katie and Booker 2 look at us I would say like you know when it comes to having synergy and being you left somebody off oh I did there's three teams left that have to be accounted for it you love somebody off wait hold on on no no no did i let me see yeah i anyways yeah that's fair again you haven't there same position as i do i respect it oh shit no i did my bad i just leaked my list actually oh shit so i had um stepan dray my bad i had stepan dray my bad I had Stefan Dre next and then I just leaked it whatever at four or my bad at three I fucking have okay so say say your names are quick who do who's what who's where what is happening I'm so I leaked I fucked up my list bro I fucked up my list so Steph and Dre are yikes bro

Stefan Dre was God bro I think I fucked up my list now that I'm looking at it I left somebody off completely yeah I left someone off and I'm looking at my list and I'm looking at my list And I'm not seeing the correlation right now But at four I had Katie and Katie and Booker And that three I think I put Stefan Dre Okay So most three seven Dre

Yeah That's fair I put Stefan yeah I know exactly he left off But that's only Yeah you know who I You know who I ended up leaving off Of this PG and Kauai

But that's I got Although I wanted to put them boys on there Obviously it won't be in this territory Who else did I leave off Oh shit Yeah We'll let you find out Number three, this is bad radio.

I'll keep going. And number three, I have LeBron and Anthony Davis. Okay. Okay. That's good. That's great. Man. I'm the same way.

I have LeBron and AD at three. That's great. I want to put them higher. I just, no, let's just reveal our top three. At number two, I have Damien Lillard and Yana Santana Kumpo. At number one, I have Nicole Yokic and Jamal Murray. Nice. I have the exact.

exact same thing. I have freak time at two and I have Yolkich and Murray at one. Respect it. Listen, I think that Yolkich and Giannis and LeBron and AD could both be argued for being the number one duo. You just have to give Yolkits and Murray that respect right now. They

just did it. It doesn't look like their run is going to end anytime soon. There's no way you can't give them that credit. But I think any of these top three are all good enough to be number one. Kind of just comes down to who wins the chip that year. Yeah, bro. 100%. Out of excitement, I put freak time at number one

and then Yolka-Tem Murray at number two. Yeah, I'm being disrespectful. This is me blatantly admitting it. Take it for what you want, bro. But this duo, I'm just imagined playing with him in 2K. I'm looking at, I'm looking at the stats. I'm thinking about the picking world, the nasty blocks, the deep threes, and just how unguardable the duo is.

This is just me having fun in my imagination. This is day one of the trade. And so I had to put him at number one. Now, bro, I realize. Leakers. LeBron and AD are not on this. list. And for some reason, I was, like, they were not in my, LeBron, for the most part, was not in my mind whatsoever because old age and stuff like that. But if I were to probably redo my

list, Fox and Sub bonus would probably be out of here, knock them out. And I would probably sectioned Braun and AD somewhere around the four and five range. So, wow. Yeah. I wouldn't, you would take, you would take, KD and Booker over LeBron and AD? I would take what? would you take katy and booker over lebron and ad oh man that's a lot of pondering to do that i can't do in this fastest segment that we're talking about i can't do that i can't do that i respect it don't lock yourself into taking to agree with okay yeah i'm not i'm not gonna put myself into that take yet no i think at their best probably lebron and ad just

because we've seen it work before and like the chemistry is still there but like devon booker's a demon and i don't know how lebron's gonna play at this old age just yet, you know, so we'll see. That's fair. I mean, I won't be shocked if your ends and Katie and Booker make a run, you got to nudge him up one spot and I got to push LeBron 80 down a four. Wouldn't be the most surprising thing in the world, but if LeBron's healthy, which at this point is a massive if,

I think him and AD still have best duo in the league ceiling. So three is like the lowest I can put them for now, I think. Three is very fair. Maybe these are a list, man. I think they're pretty good I think we'll see if we're crazy putting Janice and Damiena Litt is high already Spoiler alert

I don't think we will be I think it'll be very fair And I think they'll probably in the year of one When they host the championship trophy I was just gonna say This upcoming NBA finals is dream scenario In my mind you never know what's gonna happen That'll determine like who's probably the best duo

Obviously there's like factors outside of that But mainly this is what I'm waiting for The crazy thing is I think the three championship favorite should be bucks, Nuggets, Lakers, in that order. So what are these three duos is going to hoist it again, I think, and be that top duo? Makes sense.

I like that. Yeah. That's good. Yeah, man. Ticot time. Let's do it. That's my favorite. No need for pageantry, no need for transition.

TikTok time. Straight to it. As always, we're going to begin with the draft. This time, we're going to stick to the theme of the Milwaukee Bucks and we're going to draft teams around Janus So that means we're all going to start With our power forward being Janus And build from there

Each of us picking four players around him Need that Need that. Unless y'all want to put Janus at center or something That's up to you It doesn't have to power forward It's okay Who I first pick last time

What was the last draft we did? I think I got middle picks Last time Yeah, middle pick Yeah Last one we did was number 23 It was me Mo Donovan

So this time it's Mo Donovan Me, the draft order. Yippee. So let's draft NBA lineups around Yonnas Hunter Nacombo. Who we got first, Mo? Give me the better version of Dame, Steph Curry.

Nasty girl. Can't go on with that, bro. Yeah. All right. All right. That's fair. Well, listen, I know that he's kind of died, step, but I'm going to do

what the bucks you just did. Give me Damien Lillard. I was hoping he fell to me at the turn. Can't be mad at you. and dame, I'm going to go with somehow he fell to me at three, give me the best player in the NBA, Nicola Yokic and then

give me the best floor spaceer I can imagine next to the honest, give me Kevin Durant. I was hoping your team is disgusting right now, bro. Length everywhere. How are we stopping at? Donovan, you better you better do your thing right now. That's true. All right. You need help from your Lord and Savior.

You know what? I don't want anybody scoring at the room. Give me Anthony Davis. That's a good pick. That's a fantastic fit. I'll let that pick. All right. So, so far, I have Steph and I got Yonis at my floor. So to fill in those gaps,

I need someone big, go ahead and give me Embed, or Big Harden. I don't love the fit of Embed and Yonis, but I guess you can't have a family. The spacing is OD. It doesn't fucking matter. I have Steph Curry, bro. Get over it. All right. And then at my third.

three give me Jason Tatum good pick so that's good that's good I probably shouldn't want Tatum over Katie but the idea of Katie and yonnas together too tantalizing I was really hoping I was really hoping that that Tatum felt to me hmm big where do I'm not gonna do it you know I might too I want I need some defense but I don't really know who cares brown my two no I might too give me Devin Booker okay that's nice great pick you got yonis and ad to hold the defense down i think you'll be fine i'm a booker yeah i'm gonna win the draft right quick and my two give me paul george and i'm at my two give me paul george that's i was i was between booker and paul george damn my team is ridiculous they're all huge

they're all great defensively besides luca it's over all right don't oh my god all right um let's do this Alright, at my three Why is the Well, I guess he doesn't really good Don't want to do this I'll go here At my three Give me Kauai Leonard

Bro, you just stole my pick Go to hell Oh my God bro Why can't I have nothing It's like I'm cursed God You've stolen a pig for me In each of the last two drafts

This is karma I'm getting mom back I just realized nobody has LeBron Yeah That's all I was thinking about But I was like I'm good Wow

Why did just yap like that, Isaac. You can just shut up, okay? So go ahead and give me LeBron James. I'll move Tatum at my two and give me LeBron at my three. Straight out of course is everywhere. That's a great team. Yeah.

So my team is looking like Steph at the one, Tatum at the two, LeBron at the three, Yonis at the four, and beat at the five. Now the spacing isn't perfect. Supreme three point shooters are Steph, of course, and then Tatum. But my defense is looking insane and I just got big bodies everywhere. where you don't feel me you don't talk about big bodies i got the absolute unit lucca dunches at point guard posting upstep too small paul george better version of tatum big brother hell no i'm not as good as brunt but he's kevin derwent yonis and yokech and beat the dad

all right well listen i've dame i've dame i've devon booker i've quire at the three i've anthie davis at the five i'm happy i think that i have the best defense front court with Kauai Janus and AD you're really not scoring and then listen we're y'all don't even have to guard or you won't get the opportunity to guard because dames pulling up from half court knocking out threes devon bookers running back and forth I'm I'm gonna be okay you realize I have Yokich in the post with Janus cutting and KD on the wing you understand that I have you understand that I have Janus guarding Janus so whatever you say cancels out doesn't mean anything it's okay do you remember what happened last time we saw anthony davish on a guard

yokic guess what i'll put yoneman made him meet his maker i have i have a yonis too and none of that matter because i have the greatest player of all time healthy alongside joelan b tatum and the light skin god step currie he's 44 whatever you have big hardin you lost you got the worst player on the list fraud VP Can we trademark that? I need that on a t-shirt. So hold on, he's cooking. That's what.

Next thing we're going to do after this hilarious draft, we are going to stick to the topic of the bucks. You know, the hottest topic of the day. We've got to get plenty of TikToks done about them. So I'm going to name some NBA teams. You let me know if you'd pick them or the bucks to win a series. First off, the Los Angeles Lakers. This is tough.

Man, brawn, brawn got to go. Goodbye, Brian. They are not beating the books. They are not beating the bucks. I don't know, man. I don't know about that. I don't know about that, bro. Are you scared of Ruri Hachamora?

Rue Hachimura don't move me. One bit at all, bro. Hell not. Austin Riz? That moved me. Are you inspired by D'Angelo Russell shooting 500 shots after every loss? Is that what moves you?

Listen, I'll go with the bucks because I think they'll probably win the title. But I think the Lakers are like 1A, 1B with the Nuggets to make it out of the West. So it's close. I'm taking the bucks. Yeah, I'm taking the bucks. I don't think that 1A1B, I'm not there with the Lakers right now. It's compared to the Nuggets. They are not, they're not beating the bucks.

If they have Dane, no. I agree. Clean sweep. What about the Phoenix Suns? bucks in five I think the bucks are gonna look their ass bro what is eusef nerchich gonna do

as soon as them boys dame and yannas put him in a pick and roll he's gonna look lost his other leg might start to tremble I don't know what's gonna go on wobbling like happy feet but no I get it everybody's in love with the sons

after they got the three star ball handlers the bucks are gonna have just as given offense and probably a top three defense it's in a whole other stratosphere Yeah, exactly You know what I'm saying The score is going to be

Hella high But just know that the Milwaukee books Will be higher Because they know how to play defense Yeah Kevin Durant cannot be your best defender On the court, bro That's sad

Exactly Having Yonnes and Brooke Lopez together Gives you such a high defensive floor I think this team Is in a league of their own Compared to the Sons Listen, unless Devin Booker shoots 85% from the field again

The Sons aren't doing anything crazy this year It might need to be 90 bro What about the Boston Celtics? Oh, man. Five. Give me Milwaukee and five. They are, listen, they don't have a point guard. Nobody can go to the left.

Nobody can dribble. They have a whole bunch of guys who can get buckets, but guess what? It doesn't matter because, again, I think finally the Bucks have a team that can just get over whatever mental help that Boston has on them. You know, I agree.

I feel bad for Celtics fans Because it seemed like it was that year to win the East And then they went and got Dame And now I think the Celtics have no chance Yeah The Celtics went ahead Or the Bucks went ahead And did a move that moves mountains

Meanwhile The Celtics just went ahead And added Chris Haas Prusines Which is good But he ain't good enough And he's not solving the deep root of issues That the Celtics have The

Yeah that move moves Ant Hills Yeah facts bro And Hills Lastly The Denver Nuggets this is what do you do my answer is the battle of all battles this is i think you're going i'm going to walkie in five these dudes are going to be disgusted obviously listen i just saying that

they're not going to beat them in five but they are going to win they are they are they are going to win i think that they are going to be as if everybody's healthy they are going to be as unstoppable as we've seen in a in a while like these guys are are different yeah i i the most confident picking them to win the finals than I have been since the Prime Warriors with KD. I think this team is going to be clearly the best team to league. Like it said, comes down to Canada stay healthy. Do they

get unlucky or not? Yeah. Although Jamal Murray is the greatest playoff riser of all time, he's not no Damien Ler I don't want to say stratosphere, bro, but they're in completely different tiers. And it's just all about Yokic and Janus, who's better? And this is an

honest debate that people should have at the start of the season. yeah I think the biggest obstacle in the I think the biggest obstacle in the buck's way is Janice's knees full respect to the best player alive on the other side I think Damon Janus is too strong of a combination to surpass

yeah exactly 100% that's great that's a good TikTok got that one over with next thing we're going to do we're going to run back something we did about a month ago which was hilarious we're going to look at some baby pictures

or childhood pictures some of them and guess which NBA players this is oh I am terrible at this I never know who child this is I saw I'm by your side let's lock in these are great listen yeah no scoliosis you will be carrying usually mohost this so interested to see his first time guessing these babies if he can have some strength on this you see the way I guess hairlines foreheads and all that bro I don't know what it is but I just know this is your back yeah this is your back so guess the NBA player based on their baby pictures first off who

is this child man I don't know I don't know who this is this is not that hard you can see it in the eyes I see it in the eyes the nose is kind of flat this child this is giving me Deondri Aiton vibes this is not Deandre Aiton now the picture is a little bit it's a little bit too grainy to be Deandre Ait It's a little 1970s? Is he current? No, he's not playing anymore. Oh, he ain't playing anymore.

Okay, that threw me in for a loop, bro. Now we might be cooks. He ain't playing anymore. Not playing anymore. Is this Chauncey Billups? No, it's not a terrible guess, I guess, but no, it's not Chonsie Bullops. Okay. I need a hint, please.

He's above 6.9. Oh, he's above 6.9. Big old dude. Oh, this has, this might be Chris Bosch. This is Chris Bosch Man, that extendo neck Had an insane growth spurn Holy shit

Yeah Look at a smile You can see 100% Yeah the smile Was this one Thank you Mo Next one Who is this child

Oh my God He looks like a menace already Looking at me in my eyes He used to scream at other babies Already this is Russell Westbro What? This baby looks like your headbuzz people Yes, this is Russell West Road

I knew it Minus from D1 We've done this video three times That's the only one I'm confident in Hell yeah, bro It's the only one I felt like I knew Nah, he grew into that skull That shit was bulging

Yeah, his forehead is protruding I know he had But it's so many kids In them playground days bro easily He'd be thinking Next player Who is this child Is that Lowry marketing?

No, it's not Larry marketing It's not a bad guess No, this Franz Wagner No, this is not Franz Wagner Ah, is it his brother Mo Wagner, probably not Why the fuck him? No, Wagner in the video

So against every European white Yeah, wait, white, white, wait What's down the list? This is Dirk? Luca, no, it's not Dirk. Steve Blake, Steve Dash He's going down to this for real. I don't know.

Is this Walker Kessler? No no no Walker damn Kessler Larry Byrd Kevin McHale this is not Walker Kessley Who's another white guy Bill Lambeer? Are they current? Yes, they're still playing Oh man is that a lacquer shirt that he has on? This is tough no it's colors, but it's just a basketball shirt. I don't I can't tell exactly what it is could this be Kevin Love? What the one? This is Kevin Love Wow, bro. I ain't all lie. You finally landed on the right white.

Yeah, I ain't going to lie. I was running out of the amount of white players. I could count on my head, bro. And I have no more white players to name. Shout out together. Their hair be changing colors. I don't know who this is. Facts.

Him being blonde is again, throws it off. Yeah, exactly, man. All right. Next one. Who is this kid? Oh, I don't know who this is. Harvey. Donovan, who is this?

I, ah, I know who this. I'm blanking. Please tell me this is No, I can't even Old man vibes all the time I don't know why Bro, I know who this is though

Like, I just don't know his name It feels like he's been like Ophrenged out of my vibes Is this Chauncey Billups? You tell me I'm gonna guess that This is Chauncey Billups

Boom Not Chauncey Billups Oh shit Who the hell is this? I was way off I'm playing this Chonsy Billups Okay, there we go, bro.

I was for to say, listen, don't play with me like that. I have very limited success in this game. I need everything that I need that I can do. I was going to pull some deep pulls. I was going to say, is that Rodney hood on my screen? Oh, my God.

Rodney? Alex Birx? All right. Next up. Who is this child? Mouth wide open like that. He was enjoying that ice cream. Who is this boy?

he was too happy at this day bro he was hype yeah it's strawberry looks like he was lit this is an old picture he's not playing anymore right he's not

he's not playing anymore Donovan old whites go old whites I'm just lame to this Larry Bird Kevin McHale

Steve Blake um um Steve Blake in there Yeah Hell yeah Steve Blake was a menace bro Are you kidding me

I have no idea though Old whites Old whites Can you tell me the era of white You play in the 2000s I was gonna say Jason Williams But this can't be him Could this be him

Jason Williams Okay I thought Dang I kind of thought I kind of thought for a second In the mid or not the mid 2000s We're just going 2000s. Bro, who are the white guys for that time? Come on.

I am at a loss right now. I'm tapping out. You guys give up that fast? I'm tapping out. I don't know. Listen, I already. This child is Powis Hall. I should have known this.

They change hair color, man. I don't know. They're a different child. They're fucking shapeshifters, bro. We can't tell. They don't look anything alike. Damn, buddy. This is power.

Who is this child? Does this say Fulton County? That's an Atlanta baby right there. Why does this monkey look like Rondo? The long head. Oh, man. Okay. This child

Is this Roger Rondo? I ain't go lie. This looks like when it's not Rajan Rondo. It looks like when a Shack. kids, to be honest, bro. Listen. Damn, this is full in the county.

That's not a bad thing you just said. I won't tell you why. Is this a player son, maybe? This is KCP. No, this is not KCP.

I told you Shaq's son isn't a terrible guess and you were a KCP. Because I'm thinking about the The Georgia babies, bro. So, Shaxton's not a terrible guess. So it has to be someone who's related to that in some way.

It's not Shaq's son, but when you, when you hear the name, you're like, oh. Yeah, someone's son. Okay, whatever. No, but okay, but I can't give him big he was hands. He'll take it the wrong way. Maybe, maybe his last name is like, O'Neill or something. Is this Jermaine, O'Neill? This is not Jermaine O'Neill.

This is not the O'Neill when he hits. I'm going to hate it. I hate myself, bro, for this. This dude just looks like so stale face, has no emotion. He looked like he just won a champion, so he can't even smile or anything like that. He's doing shot put, strong ass. Oh, strong ass. Okay, hold on.

Hmm. I give up. He was saying about this child. Yeah, we got to tap out. This he was pushing weight in middle school. I give up, bro. Tap out. This is Dwight Howard.

I was just about to say this is Dwight. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I should have said Dwight. Y'all should have got this one. I'm disappointed. Damn, bro. I'm folding.

Holy shit. I'm out of my element. Last one. What? Who is this player? Is that Tim Duncan? I was about to say the same thing. Instant guess.

Yes, that's Tim Duncan. Yeah. He looks so awkward. Damn. You finally got one. Off guard-ass picture. Look like this picture was not supposed to be taken. Who took this?

Why is he posing like a Hollister model? What is he trying to prove? Oh my goodness, bro. All the medals on his neck. Shout to him, though. Was he a swimmer? I guess. Oh, man.

That's funny. All right, that's the end of that TikTok. Next thing we got, we're going to do another draft. This time we're going to draft a player instead of a team. It's going to build a player. So let's build a perfect NBA player with no all-star skills. First pick, easiest pick in the world. Give me Jamal Murray's shooting.

He hasn't been an all-star. Bastard. We'll be soon, but for now I got him. Yeah. All right. That's cool. You know what? Give me Give me Cade Cunningham's body

Wow. Okay. Okay, good size. I like that. Okay, cool. This is an easy pick. Go ahead and give me Jalen Brunson finishing. That's what I was going to do if I didn't pitch mom. Hitting y'all ass with drop steps and I'm putting shoulders into you, bro. Straight bully ball. I love it. Facts. And then for defense, go ahead and give me the defensive player of the

actually go ahead and give me Drew Holiday Oh fuck Give me a defensive player of the year then Marcus Smart There you go See I said Drew Holiday for the sake of the TikTok Buzzwords whatever But whatever

That's fine, it's fine All right so for passing Give me Ricky Rubio passing That's a great pick I'm gonna do that Love it Okay Ooh

Give me Markle Fultz finishing Okay Underrated Facts And then defensively Give me Derek White First team all defense That's good

That's good He's so annoying on defense bro Damn All right Let's see I have Cade's body Ricky Rubio's passing Give me

No give me Seth Curry's shooting That's a great pick That's elite That might be the steal of the draft Okay Isaac did you get Josh Giddy Nope

Oh nice Give me Josh Giddy passing I'm gonna take that And that was the real steal of the draft Alright You gonna have it Oh yeah Trust me I'm taking ass shit

So I got Josh Giddy shooting Or Josh Giddy passing my bad And then I should prioritize Shooting right now Go ahead and give me Jordan Poole the second coming of Steph Okay

Okay For my finishing Let's see Okay cool All I need is finishing And defense And you guys So I can give my guys

So for finishing Give me Dennis Smith Jr. Nice You jump real high I'm dunking on everybody That's hilarious So jump real high And that's about it

Almost Almost Duncan Yeah You'll get up there I'm going to have the most almost highlights in the league facts I don't know if the ball's

going to the hoop but you'll be in the air my turn give me like a lot of ways give me soon to be one of the best athletes in the NBA a men Thompson's body

ah he is an insane athlete bro that's fine people don't know yet but they're going to find out he is a fucking freak that's fire he doesn't make sense

in passing give me one of the best bench game managers in the league. Give me Ties Jones. He was on my list too. That was a very solid pick. He was on my list as well. He was on my list. Nice. All right. So for defense, let me finish this off with Off Knight himself. Give me Davion Mitchell's defense.

Nice. I love that shit. You know ball. All right. But sadly, I'm out doing up you. Go ahead for body. Give me Jalen Hutchfino. He is huge, big bodyguard. Yeah, and he also is very athletic. So this is very solid. He's like, what, 6, 4, 6, 5? I'm, I'm, I'm, how much you win?

He's a heavy said dude. He's probably, no, he's a heavy said dude. He's, he's solid. I mean, I guess. I personally would have went Henderson, Jay and Ivey. I'm thinking about the height, bro. Fuck that. I'm thinking about the height.

You're not thinking like me. Dyson Daniels is 6-7. Dyson Daniels is 6-7, but he doesn't move like Jaylon and should be. He doesn't have the, he doesn't have the tattoos. He doesn't have the tattoos. Yeah, he don't have the tattoos. Yeah, he don't have the tattoos. Think about that too

I forgot the liquor's got him He's gonna be a steal He's gonna be nice I was so I got My player Body I got a man Thompson Best body here

Pause Defense Derek White Listen the only one Who's first team last year Passing Tice Jones That got me there Shooting Jamal Murray Easydub

Finishing Mark Hell Fultz Easydub Amar you got Brunson Fuck All right cool I have For body I have Kate Cunningham

Nice For defense Dave John Mitchell Passing Rubio shooting Seth Curry and then for finishing Dennis Smith Jr. So I can't at least jump real high. Dennis Smith, Loki should have got picked for his defense. Yeah, he was incredible last year.

He was a menace for the Nets, bro. I agree. So for a body, I got 6-6-215 point guard, Jalen Hoodschfino. Y'all are sleeping on him. Finishing, finishing, I got Jalen Brunson. You guys will literally go into cardiac arrest. This was I'm on the court with you. Passing Josh Giddy.

guys won't know what's coming the hair and also the no looks y'all are insane shooting jordan pool come on now you already know what the vibes are and then defense i got marcus smart okay it's a good thing i don't know i don't know i don't know yeah i mean so we have jemal murray and brunson we have all-stars that aren't all-stars so that helps yeah marcus smart went ahead and won a defensive player the year so i mean you can also put fraudulent though fraudulent I got the best athlete here which I think makes a big difference but I don't have the best passer

got the worst passer so I don't know this is a very balanced one I like comments aside I like this this is good let's see one more video

before we get out of here listen the Damien little trade just happened James Hardin's gotta be next we're gonna do a quick video talking about where we want James Harden

to be traded let's get it out there it's get a TikTok on the on the interwebs before it happens see if you predict it right so which team do y'all want to see james hard and traded to

oh man I ain't gonna lie I kind of want to see him on the New Orleans Pelicans they have all these picks you can only give them I don't I understand it's not beautiful but it's interesting okay

I do not want to see him with Zion Williamson that sounds gross heavy set I understand that coming from listen I'm a pick the easy answer I want to see him on the clippers I want him to get what he wants. Listen, if it works, if they're healthy, it'll be glorious. If it doesn't work, it'd be fucking hilarious.

They'll have three guys that are liable to sell you at any moment. It could be peak comedy if it goes wrong. For content purposes, I agree. However, that's not, I just don't want to see it. You already know why we don't really rock with them. I don't want success for the clippers. Listen, maybe you can say James Hard is a playoff time bomb. Maybe you're sabotaging the team you hate.

Why? You're on to something. You're cooking. You're cooking. We might have to get that going. We might have to do that. What would I want? Low key, I kind of want to see James Hardin in Minnesota.

I was, I'm kind of intrigued about the idea of having Anthony Edwards with somebody that can like legitimately facilitate. And listen, if to do all that, Kat would get out of there. And I think that a Hardin Rudy Gobert picker roll, be kind of nasty. Yeah. I like that. Loki, listen, last second, the bulls were linked to Damian Lillard was never going to happen. But, you know, they're linked because they needed a point guard. I kind of see the vision with him being the point card there.

This is such a bull's thing to do. This is the perfect mid that they need to carry on their tradition over the last five to ten years of being mid. Bulls, I need them to lock it in. For sure. They're going mid on mid, but I think he would make them better. Like, they need that playmaker. And if he continues to think a backseat as a score, listen, maybe he doesn't want to. But if he's playmaker first,

I think he fits with Damar and Levine a little bit. Honestly, I haven't even better if you're thinking Playmaker first. I need to see him on the Orlando Magic. I don't think it will happen because the asses don't really make sense. He'd hate that. He'd be pissed. Yeah, he would be sick to his stomach, but for all the wrong reasons, bro. Hey, listen, the Orlando Magic they're on the come-up.

Send Marco falls back to the Philadelphia's 76ers. You know what I'm saying? Amend those wounds, bro. He knows how to shoot. He knows how to drive and all that, bro. But him setting up, Paula Bencaro, has he has friends Wagner by his side. Anthony and Black get him out of here He's cool

He would hate that But listen They'd let him drop 30 and 10 every night Maybe he would just eat and be fine with it Not even 30 to 10 If he had the 30 and 10 mindset bro Never mind then Fuck his trade

Listen Low key Let's get hard in out the country Let's send him to Toronto Banish him Let's banish him Let's banish Toronto Listen we can deport James Hardin

The same way Kauai Leonard did Donovan is cooking right now I'm here I'm here But honestly Bro Pascal Seaccom and James Hardin Lead team

Would be continuing the mid That Masaijii has won it over the last few years And honestly Like it's great If I had to watch James Hardin Scottie Barnes OG Pascal and Yakopold I'm gonna throw up That's so nasty

That's horrible Honestly there'll be like a solid seventh seed In the Eastern Conference which is solid What about the heat Now that you don't think he need a point guard. Do you see that happening? That'll be the fastest way to end James Hardin's career. You're putting him in Miami around BBLs and a bunch of nightclubs, bro.

Are you crazy? Are you mad? Can you go out like Iverson be washed at 29? Oh, no. He ain't doing it, but I forgot. James Hardens were like 33. He passed 29. Look, now that Kyrie's gone, send him back to Brooklyn?

Because they have a whole bunch of forwards, no point guards. Have him and McCall Bridge. I think he's burned that bridge. I think that's cooked. Send him back. Just for laughs. Joe Si wants nothing to do with any of those motherfuckers that he shipped out. If he comes back,

Josai will, he'll lose years of his life due to stress. Everybody deserves the second chance. Not James Hardin, Brooklyn. That's Josiah. He deserves less than zero chances. Just I might want harm than to James Hardin. Oh,

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