The Deep 3 Podcast - Ranking The Best & WORST NBA Players In The Playoffs | Ep. 217

Episode Date: May 28, 2026

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As you guys see about a title, today's episode, we're here today to talk about the 10 best players and the 10 worst players in these NBA playoffs. As you guys can tell, if you have a calendar, if you're an NBA fan, we're also here to talk about the New York Knicks winning the Eastern Conference, the Western Conference Finals still going on. Game 6 tonight, we don't know what's going to happen. Lots to get into today. But before that, I don't know if you guys have heard.

I heard Donovan's supposed to be getting crack today. Oh, my God. But it's that day. I've been waiting for this for fucking ever, right? I circled this date in my calendar. I did hear about it. I heard about the crack of donuts and all of our comments on all platforms. I did.

And that's why today is the most important show that we've ever done. Why is that? Ever done. Because not only. Because you're happy to get cracked. Not only is there a cracking of some sort. Yep. But obviously the New York Knicks.

Like we use the word generational so much in on this show. Hell yeah. This is truly a generational event. The New York Knicks are in the finals. Right? first time in 27 years, that's literally an entire. That's an entire generation. And that's why it's so important.

However, it would be wrong with me not to address this because one, the crack of dawn, insane workplace is very, very good. However, as a discussion-based platform that we are, as the masters of linguistics that we are, that we are, you know what I'm saying? Right. In the original comment, they said, can we get the Don cracking episode? that fails to specify who the cracker and who the cracky is. Are you telling me that I brought my special cracking tentals for no reason?

And so that means that today I am not the one getting cracked. I'm doing the cracking. I got a lot of point for no reason. I'm doing the cracking. I'm doing the cracking. Who you cracking? Find out. Because you already know.

Okay, wait. Before you find out, whatever you do. Whoa. Beating. Crass you. I was confused. I was like, O-D over the first car,

B-Sol's getting cracked today. Okay. Before we actually view the cracking, we do have a special message from a special person who wants to help acknowledge how big of a moment this is. Can you please play that clip, B-Solz?

Yes, yes, yes. This is a surprise. I don't even know what he's talking about. Yeah. What's it going on? Hold on. This is the moment everyone's been waiting for.

The Crackadon! Get ready for the crack of the decade. Hell yeah! You got Big Ballin? He was tapped in. You wanted some of this. That was awful. Let's do it.

Triple B. This crack better be generational for real, man. Who are you cracking today? We are cracking everybody who thought they were going to get us out the paint. You thought you were going to send the New York Knicks home? only to find a designer custom-made genuine leather, sheepskin, lambs, leather, all the finest materials belt that you can get first up. The Atlanta Hawks, it's been a couple weeks, don't think I forgot you're getting cracked today. Now listen, that is the most respected.

Shut up, Mo! You're getting cracked. Get cracked! I can't take the hammer out and do it again. and again and again and again and again and again and again get cracked

go ahead it's your moment you got it it is my moment it is the Knicks moment first crack in 27 years you got it it's been a long time

it's been a long time Now why did the A lot of Hawks is there to get cracked I see J. McCollum C.J. McCollum the only people honestly who gave us

an actual fight you know got two games honestly they needed us to get to this point honestly so this is the most respectable

honestly. Yeah, probably at the least more for them. It is. It is. It's not a, it's not a disrespectful cracking at all. Nah. Not at all. Not at all. But nevertheless, CJ, move your hand. You said it not me. Atlanta, don't run. This was an ethical cracking. Now the most, arguably the most unethical people on the planet. Oh my gosh.

Philadelphia 76 is. No, this is disgusting. This is going to be the lead by the in and out superstar himself, Joel and B. Leave him alone. There sometimes they're not. Tyreez Maxie, you're my guy, you're my dog. I'm sorry. Bop.

Hello. Bopped. And even bug, you just got convulsed. It just bounced. It just disappears. Sometimes even your dog gets to get cracked. Sometimes the bros got it. Sorry, Tyrese.

Sorry. I'm sorry. But listen. 4-0 sweep is kind of crazy This was the moment This series was the moment that everybody realized Everybody looked around and was like Yo the Knicks can actually do this

You not only showed the Knicks But you showed the world What this team is capable of Thank you for your placement in this journey But cracking ensued Nonetheless And then finally The most recent

The most recent person The most recent team organization To get cracked And this is not hypothetical This is not analytical. This is 100% proven cracking. The Cleveland Cavaliers. This is disgusting, man.

This is not fair. For a second, it didn't seem fair. It felt wrong for about 24 minutes of the cracking because they just gave up. They cracked themselves. They wasn't trying to crack back. Yeah, exactly. They were giving up transition layups, weren't running back on giving up transition baskets on made buckets, your heart wasn't in it.

And does that make the experience a little bit less? Maybe, maybe to a degree, right? Because I want to know that you felt something as well. You don't want an easy crack. Yeah. You want to work for it. However. He broke it too.

A winner's a winner. Crack is a crack. You're out of here, buddy. I know this stuff of crack. It must feel even better because it's the most crackable player in your most hated the list ever in James Hardin. So I know it feels different. It does feel different.

That's kind of impressive. You're out the paint. Everybody's gone. We're still here. And I don't care who's coming next. I don't care if it's the San Antonio Spurs. I don't care if it's the Oklahoma City Thunder. And I'm going to tell y'all the same thing that I've said at the beginning

of each one of our predictions. We're about to run these niggas, man. We're about to run them. Mixing four Mixing four It's all It's up Can't wait

Shade's getting crack next Who else Who's next? Who's next? What happens next? You know what happens next We're so up We're throwing it back

Whoa That's crazy He was bragging I don't get a The cranium is crazy. Oh my God. Crowd-eaters rejoice. Before we get into all the NBA talk today,

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Donovan, tell me about these Knicks. Tell me how it feels for the first time of your lifetime, for the Knicks to make the finals since you were two months old. How does it feel? Put the championship in the bag. It's all the way. It's all the way.

I can't wait, man. Y'all don't understand. Wait, wait, wait, put the Shacksie back on. No, it was hot. It was hot. Y'all don't understand. man, we got made fun of in a Pixar movie. Six years ago, I was just trying to be a good black man and support Jamie Fox and watch

this movie about him being some jazz teacher. And then all of a sudden, they got this scene where they're talking about how there was this soul that was like making fun of the New York Knicks. And it was like, oh, and the Knicks lose again. I was just trying to support the diaspora and the Knicks got made fun of. Think about all the bad franchises in professional sports and nobody gets ragged on more than the New York Knicks in media, partly because every, every film. Every TV show takes place in New York

to the Knicks are essential part. However, it does not matter. They have been a laughing stock for 25 years for most of that. And in this moment, they are now in the finals. They have overcome scandals on and off the court. They have overcome bad plays, missing out on the draft lottery, 17

win seasons. And for them, y'all don't understand what this means to me, especially y'all too. You guys, in terms of NBA fandom, y'all were born on third base. Y'all were born to, you know, one to the best franchises in the world. You have a couple conference finals appearances, right?

Like, you're just, you're in a minute. You don't have a trust fund, right? But you weren't, you weren't in poverty, right? You're just a regular middle class kid. It's okay. The Knicks got it out the mud. And for them to run through the Eastern Conference by playing, statistically speaking,

the best basketball anybody has ever played for a month is the most wild thing. I still cannot comprehend. I still cannot wrap my head around. And all doing this all with Kat, who obviously is imperfect. Josh Hart, imperfect. Jan & Brunson, who everybody says is, you know, too small. Too small.

McKell Bridges laughed at every three days because of the trade. OJN and Obie, he's cool everybody likes. British. Fair, British. Mike Brown, Ball. Yo, the whole start in five. and the coach has stuff that people can look at and laugh and it's not right and it's not true anymore

because the Knicks are in the finals. Here we are, man. What a story. This is one of the most satisfying finals runs. I can remember for any team. Every year we go up here and we have the set of contenders we expect to make it there. And in the preseason, it was a Cavs and the Knicks out east.

We expect to be the two teams because we thought the Boston Celtics would have their gap year. They had those expectations to be here, right? But that's like ignoring so much. much of their context. We said that, but there was always the built-in expectation that they're kind of unsurious. They're kind of hard to rely on because of the imperfections you mentioned. And throughout the course of the season, every Knicks fan I know, including you, panic mode, at least three times and three different months. The season looked like it was going to be

into the loss year. We were talking about, oh my God, did this core have their best chance last year? We thought this new coach would come in, maximize Kat. He's having the worst scoring year of his career. We thought we'd get this best case scenario with McKill Bridges, finally having the two-way impact. He doesn't know to make shots. All these things. in January, in March, we said this team has completely lost the ability for us to have faith in them. And here they are. Just straight up locked in, figured it out when it matters most. That's what they play the games for.

Yeah, just a couple months ago, we were over on our Monday episode talking about how Kar- Anthony Town says that he's still trying to figure out his rhythm and figure out where he fits in. Bro, like three-quarters of the season's already gone. What are you talking about? That was game 75. That's insane. I guess what? He immediately figured it out.

They immediately figured it out right after that. Make him the hub, do all this passing stuff. He's playing the best basketball over his career by doing less and being more efficient with the movement. Like every single asset of this team is going better than we could have imagined. And what makes this so, I guess, satisfying from a fan standpoint, considering you guys are literally out the mud. You guys have been literally the like laughing stockability for I don't know how many years. Up until this point in this new era led by Jalen Brunsson, more importantly, like Leon Rose, right? Like this team is so uniquely built because you guys have no like outstanding draft picks at all.

playing part in this. You, of course, took the ultimate swing in paying Jalen Brunton. A lot of people thought it was overpaid at one point. I think you yourself really didn't like that at all. Then on top of that, too, you had pivotal pieces in Julius Randall come in. You had Donce de Vincenzo at one point. Okay, you go ahead and make the ultimate swing and you move hell and heaven on earth for fucking Macau Bridges. And you guys are here now. No one can really say too much about that trade. And then the final piece of all this is Carl Anthony Towns and seeing how we talked about this trade happening, I guess a year and a half ago, like slightly joky, joky or whatever. And then when it actually happened, we literally like wasn't saying we had an emergency episode. And you're talking about how you wanted to, I think before that, you said if the car Anthony trade, car and they taught a town trade happened, you did not want to be a Knicks fan anymore because you didn't rock a big per for reasons.

They call him cat daddy now. now you call him cat daddy I haven't said that personally I haven't but now is the time to start come on man let me hear your first cat daddy do you know how to

bitch I'm gonna worry come on man I'm right I'm yeah I'm listening I'll be in a corner that part of it

not too much I can't give you everything I can't give you everything right now yeah but y'all here and this is the most satisfying NBA team to make the finals

in a long time considering the pathway And you know what's crazy? Your team and the front office, led by Leon Rosen on them, are now the poster boy for confidence and the poster boy for what Adam Silver wants team building to be. For you need to rebuild, you go through your bad years, you don't get top picks though. You don't rebuild and become a contender and make the finals based on landing a Dylan Harper, landing a Richard Wombenyama, landing at Kay Cunningham.

You get your picks in the middle of the rounds. You can miss on them. And you get good with free agency, with trades, with winning on the margins, finding guys. This is what the draft reform is about. They want everybody to do what the Nix just did. the last four years. It's, it's weird.

This is weird. Here, do you almost feel like you can't get, it's like, is this real? It's like, it feels like the, like the Twilight Zone.

And I think like, for the Knicks to, to be here, it is, um, I don't know. This whole, this whole thing is just,

it's just crazy because, because of all of, all of the noise and like the, the, the level of depth of hell that they, that they were in. And even when, they made the the OG trade you're trading off RJ Barrett and Emmanuel

quickly think about how different the Knicks would have been forget this year a year and a half ago two years ago if instead of OG they had given a manual a manual quickly the extension if they had doubled down on RJ Barrett and still been like well this is this is the top three pick like we have to sign him we have to keep him and the ceiling that this team would have would have had it would have been completely different there's no way that they would have been here and so the ability to do to do wild things to take these swings and be so confident in in your approach is just like the biggest shout out to to leon rose and the way that the nix have have operated also

all of this still comes under the dolin administration which for years everybody like for years it was like as long as this guy is the owner like we're just not going to win a championship because we have some of the worst ownership in in the NBA and so to overcome that level of it also is still like we're still trying to piece it together. Yeah, you're right. And it's so still like fascinating to me how like truly ass you guys are at drafting players. But we're talking about you guys have a list of Kevin Knox, Fortnite guy, Frank Nigelina notoriously. Then you have OB Topping, good player, but he's not what he was supposed to be at all.

And then in between that, you had RJ Barry, who's a solid NBA player, obviously. You have literally missed every single swing possible. And none of these guys have had it really added any value outside of their trade value. And that goes back to Leon Rosen, how masterful he is when it comes to just taking these wrists and hitting on every single one of them. Brunson was already one of the best outlier development stories of the last however many years of NBA basketball. Now he might be one of the best development stories in NBA history. Already making the finals for the Knicks gives you that type of credibility. God forbid they win it.

It's instant Hall of Fame. Instantly. Instantly you go there as a second round pick, turned superstar, multiple time all-star now, taking a team that hasn't been there in your entire lifetime, literally since you were born

that never been to the finals, and you get in there, being the best player in an archetype that is seemingly just withering away in front of us in the league right now. Everybody doubts you because of your stature, because of your lack of athleticism,

and you get this far, this alone, instant hall of fame. Same time for Cat, instant hall of fame. Yeah. If the Knicks win, it really becomes,

It would be Isaiah Thomas, Steph Curry, Jen and Brunson. For small guards? Yeah. For small guards, too, that can lead your team to a championship. And for his second round picks in NBA history, you're in the upper national one. Yeah. He's 100%. He's already one of the greatest ball time.

I agree. It's so interesting. Going back to what you said, like, during the small guard thing and how the conversation has been bigger than ever around him, all of his peers died, starting with, you could say Trey Young. Oh, John Moran's falling off too. And just a couple years ago, like these guys are ranked above Jim and Brunson. Now, there are peers, of course, but

everyone knew at that time period or felt like at that time period these two guys still alone and they're just gone. Meanwhile, Jaylen Brunson just continuously like gains more and more respect, more time he's had and the playoffs hitting every clutch consistent shot possible. Jaylen Brunson is putting on for the second round pick community for the bench player community, for the big head community, for the, I swear he can be a star if he starts community. Yeah. For the lack of athleticism community. He's a pillar of so many communities.

Yeah. The Rings Over Money community? There you go. He's just a beacon of hope, man. Yeah, just that guy. Yeah. It's shot out to Kat too, man. Like, I would have never thought that he would have been in the NBA finals without, like, if he wasn't on the T-Woles at all.

This whole thing with having Kat be the second most important player on your team or whatever way you want to phrase. It's one of the more important players is so interesting. And seeing how he's just gone through, like, so much randomness in his career and dealt with, like, the injury thing when he was traded. And when Rigo Bear was traded over there to Minnesota and how they really didn't figure things out, oh, how are you going to run the two big thing? And then they replicate similar stuff over there in New York now. And he's just like, he's still the same cat pretty much. But this is the best version of him.

And it's even more unlocked because of what Mike Brown did too. Yeah, I'm not sure of Mike Brown. It's a great story for Kat. He's done a great job fitting into this moment where he can be the best version of himself. Mike Brown has fully figured out how to utilize Kat, fully figured out how to hide his efficiencies on defense, how to make him avoid being the drop big, how to keep him out of actions, how to have the perfect wings to, to maximize that scheme and be able to play aggressive a cat on picking rolls so he doesn't have to defend the rim because OG's behind him

rotating there. Everything's gone well. We talked about when they hired him, you know, he coached the bonus. Is he going to do some of this big man passing hub stuff? Yes. And it's going to make this offense unguardable. Mike Brown is so unbelievably stamped right now. Dude, the Kings are so sad.

You witnessed Tyres Halliburton in the playoffs in the finals last year. Your ex-head coaches in the Finan finals this year. And then your Star Point Guard, who you recently traded as well on Darren Fox. He asked her train is going to be potentially in the finals at the very least, what's the conference finals? And the Tyrese thing, okay, sucks in hindsight. You got some bonus. Like, we understand that it was wrong, but we get how they got here.

The Mike Brown shit, you had no reason to fire him. You are just dumb and look silly as a hell for no apparent reason. No one forced your hand, no hindsight needed. You didn't need to do this. You just woke up and was like, let's be stupid today. Let's do it. And the next morning you woke up, let's do it again. I'm not going to lie, I looked at that 23 Kings roster lately.

It's not even the players y'all just mentioned. There's some smaller players on that team that's like mad successful afterwards. I think like Neiman Skate was on that team too. Oh, yeah, he was. Keon Ellis was on that team too. And it's just like, oh, if you leave the Kings, your life will be better. Yep. So.

Yes. Yes. That's very true. That's very true. And I, so to Sacramento, thank you for allowing Mike Brown to be in the ether so that we could go go get him. Because even then, like, we were also talking about how I didn't really, you know, love the, love the process in terms of firing tips, which I did agree with. But going out and like interviewing eight different head coaches before you settled on Mike Brown. And it's been the, it's been the best thing.

It's been the best, like, I'm so happy that we have Mike Brown right now instead of going through like a playoff round with. like Jason Kidd as our head coach. So this is, this is very, very good. I think for, for Brunson, for,

for OG, for Josh Hart also like, it's not the same like legacy levels or whatever, but in terms of getting into like the role player hall of fame, like, if the Knicks are able to, to win this series and Josh Hart does like Josh Hart things, he also gets into that tier of like very,

very fun role players that are like super successful. and do all that stuff. Like, everybody has something at stake for this, for this finals. And the fact that it's going to be such a, such a difference because they have just ran through everybody. And like San Antonio and OKC, they are not going to quit the same way that the Cavs did, right? Unless somebody, unless something crazy happens, they're not going to have a superstar

come in and out the series the way that that Philly did. So it is going to be a different series. But the way that everybody's shooting, the way that, listen, Landry Schama has missed one shot in two weeks. That's crazy. Ridiculous. You're a team of destiny. Your God's chosen team right now.

That's what it feels like. And if they can keep shooting like this, if they can keep defending like this, they will be champions. Yeah. And yeah, we'll have plenty time to get into the actual finals matchup

whenever it's decided. Currently, game six of the Western Commerce Finals is tonight. It'll be over about Monday. So Monday's episode will do a full preview diving into how the Knicks

can beat whoever comes out of the West, whose favorite, who has a matchup advantage is. Let's talk about the West and Carver's final now. Because since our last episode on Monday, one game has been played game five pivotal game five in some ways in recent years game five has kind of been game sevens in a lot of these series where we've seen a lot of game seven blowouts game five when it's tied up has kind of been a deciding factor because now which team is going to get home court advantage how are we going to go from here okay see thunder come out win game five without a j mitchie mitchell without j dub worst game of victor woman yama's playoffs it's shut down kind of similarly to the way shade did the game prior which i guess makes sense when you have two fans Fantastic. Championship level teams playing with championship level defenses.

They're taking turns locking up to other star player. Amazing adjustments on both sides of the ball. A lot was made, obviously, about the rest in this game because it's the thunder. It's what's going to happen. There was a horrendous stretch in the third quarter when Case and Wallace got away with the goal tend. And then an out of balance call when it gets the spurs. I shouldn't win the other way.

They try to challenge it. Didn't get the challenge in time. That was a cluster fuck of terrible officiating. Naturally, people treat like that's the only thing that happened in this game. But it was a poorly officiated a game in many ways. But the story really is they were able to neutralize Virgiloman Yama. and like I said, do what the Thunder, with the Spurs were able to do the Thunder

in the two games prior. Yeah, for the Thunder as well, like there, we're talking about going into game five. There's just like a certain level of like, hey, you just got to make shots. And they did that like Jeremy King was really, really impactful in this game. No, he's impactful.

He wasn't making that many shots. Taking many shots. Yes. And you have to have people just get them up. Chet finally stepped up. And he was starting to be aggressive offensively doing some things off. off the dribble, attacking mismatches.

That was very, very nice to see. And the reason why also, it's like you look up and they were pretty much in control for a majority of this game. And it was very, very shocking because Shea did not have a great start to this game. And really overall, it wasn't an amazing Shea game. And for the Thunder to go out and defend the way that they did, get enough timely, timely buckets, have enough creation without those two guys to have a 20-point. lead at some point to be, you know, 10 points up basically the entire way. That's something where

the, the thunder, like after game four, I did underestimate that as I was like, yo, it kind of looks like the spurs are about to, you know, hit their stride and run away with the series. Now, the thunder, they had something for them. And so that was, that was very nice to see from there. Yeah. It was so interesting. Mark Daniels is a great coach. The philosophy, the game plan and how these players execute, of course, is like most important than ever. I honestly, and one of my my biggest takeaways on okay c's front is that you know without jerry mccane i don't think this team would have won or would be in this position to potentially win this series at all because of the guys just falling short ad j mitchell and um j dv not being there because of because of health

issues being able to take those shots like he said and just like create on his own whether be on or off the ball and being another guy who can just do stuff so wildly important in this trade single-handedly probably saved okayc's season overall definitely whoever wins this series is going to feel, respect to the Knicks, their defense has been fantastic. Whoever wins the series is going to feel like they're running around with an anchor that was tied to their waist being relieved. The way that they're able to defend, Shay's having a terrible series for his standards. He is insanely uncomfortable.

His process is disrupted. He's looking over his shoulder. He's passing very well, creating tons of open shots and the team's offensive rate when he's on the court is great. But him as an individual score, being one of the best scores we've seen in recent NBA history, having a hard-ass time with Stefan Castle being able to man handle him. Same thing with one being in this game. having a hard-ass time

getting to the rim consistently against his all-time great defense. It feels like a war. And naturally, everybody responds by slandering the stars doing bad as you get when you're the two best players in the world you get that expectations.

But to me, it's just fantastic defensive game planning. People say things like, Wembe looks tired, when he needs to be aggressive, I promise you he would love to be aggressive. But it's very difficult when you have Mark Dagnall

and some of the greatest defenders of all time in the modern NBA on the other side. He's trying to get to the rim. He just can't. And same thing with Shee, he's trying to get these buckets off. He just can't.

And we're watching peak defensive basketball in the modern NBA. Yeah. Also, Wembe is tired. It's hard. Yeah, it's, exactly. Yeah, it's hard. And every single game, especially from after game one, and even including game one, like I know obviously they moved away from having like Caruso and the wings be the primary defenders on him.

But like, it's not like they weren't physical. So he was getting beat up in game one. And then ever since they're like, okay, here's somebody six four who's going to hit you every single time. Now we're going to have somebody six, ten and above. hit you every every single time it is tough to to get your game off game in and game out and you only have you know one day off in between these games that that is rough and for the for the thunder it's like they are making sure that that wendy has to work on offense and on defense because they're not they're not just letting him roam around and just say like okay we're just going to avoid you

and you can kind of just stand there and be free safety like no you're going to be active we are going to make sure that obviously you get hit offensively defensively defensively You have to work too. Come here. Come here. Defend in this action. And so the fact that they've been doing that as well, in,

you know, adds on to this idea of, oh, when he's tired. Yes, because they're making sure that he's, that he's doing absolutely everything, every moment that he's on the floor.

Yeah. And I'm interested how the physicality is going to go in these final three games. Because like I said, bolt these two teams insanely physical on defense. And obviously a lot is made of it. I'm not here to do any of the, you guys are going to stop hating all the thunder.

whatever, that conversation, I think you or there. But obviously the physicality and the foul calls is a big talking point. And it has been rather inconsistent. But I think the one thing I want to highlight is this is how playoff basketball goes. The home team gets a fervible whistle. That's an old adage for a reason. We've definitely seen that in this series. In the two games that were in San Antonio,

Defon Castle was able to murder Shea because that's what happens to playoff basketball. You're allowed to grab them off ball. You're allowed to be hansy when they're trying to run around. You're the home whistle and the home energy getting to the reps as human beings with subconsciouses. You're allowed a little more of that. In his last game, Stefan Castle had tons of fouls because he tried to do that again, couldn't get away with it. Part of that is him just being sloppier with it, and he was running over Shea in some ways. So, like, they were good foul calls, but there were maybe stuff he would have got away with and they're at home.

Very curious that that contains a flip-flop when the refs allow physicality. They hear about it. The coaches complain. Next game, they go the other way and try to call it a little tighter. It's flip-flop every single time. And I think that happens in like literally every playoff series ever with high-end defense. Naturally, now it has more attention drawn to it with the thunder being on one side of it. And everybody, you know, having the game.

their conclusions with that, that will be a relevant factor in his last three games, I think. I mean, two games. Yeah. The, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, they have to, they have to one, like, their, their, their consistency has been very interesting to watch from, from, from the shooters, like, it was, it was, it was funny, like, you finally got a good Champany game and then you get a terrible Vesel game. Yeah.

And, like, I, I, I don't feel outside of that game one where, obviously, like, Champany wasn't great there, but there's been moments where things have been, things have been clicking, but the spurs from earlier in this postseason where you are having all of your guards play at at peak level and you're getting your contributions. I haven't felt like I've gotten that specific version. And part of that obviously is D.R. Fox is dealing with the ankle injury. D.L. Harper is dealing with his adductor. And so your guards are like legitimately hurt.

But D.M. Fox, four, 15, last game, like, The scoring load, especially if they are being overly physical with Wembe, that scoring does need to be diversified a little bit. So you're going to have to see a much better D.R. Fox out of, you know, in game six, or it's honestly like season's over. Yeah, you're right. Deer Fox, bro, he's shooting like 54% at the rim for the entire playoffs. And you can tell, like, his ankle stuff is really weighing on him.

He has, he doesn't have as much lift. And really, like, it feels like his, it explodes. is still there and he's still light on his feet, but it just definitely isn't the same for a player who relies heavily on that. And that's like supposed to be, you're been supposed to be like a pillar of his game. That's nuking him and that's nukeing him and what the spurs are trying to create, which is tough offense against his super tough defense.

Yeah. Very curious, man. Can the letter close it out tonight? I don't know. Can? Can, yeah. Sure, sure. Will they?

I don't think they will. I think we're finally going to get a game where all these guys, Julian Champini, a four, four, eight from three, the first time had his first productive offensive game for this entire series. I think we're going to see a good game from him, Harper. I think the wings are really going to like go nuts, followed by fucking Wemby. Both these stars, man, are just getting locked up by amazing defenses. And I don't think any slatter needs to come with it necessarily.

It's just that's life playing all-time defenses. But if one of these guys can have a superstar game tonight and do some legendary shit and come out here and have highly efficient scoring and take the series by the mantle, that could decide the series very well with both of them are playing. below their standards in the recent game, one of them going crazy could really be the side factor. Wimby's a lunatic.

This is his first elimination game. We should be witnessing history when this game starts. Yeah, he's going to be insanely aggressive. And he was last game too. He was trying. He was snarling, bumping shoulders with Chet. Chet scored on him one time and he was pissed.

Didn't do anything about it. Send him bounties. Yeah, sending bounties. Hey, Jeremy Cain's in the game. Kill him. So we'll see. He said the little eye of the tiger last game, couldn't do anything about it

because the defense was so good with him. Yeah, he should, he should, he should dominate. They're going to need him to because also like the spurs kind of at like, they're like seven and a half guys now for their, for their rotation. Like they drop one. Carter Bryant is just, this is not the series for him. He's a rookie. Yeah, he's 19.

Like, it's, it's understandable. It's not fine, but it's understandable. They're still giving them rope though. They're still letting him play trying to get the most of them. Yeah. He had five minutes and, you know, and game five. Oh, I don't realize is that small in game five. Yeah, they pulled him.

So if he's not, if he's not, if he's not, going to have that kind of leash cornets in there literally just to give winby time off and then like if keleton johnson had a had a good game in game five hasn't necessarily been there the entire series so like we'll see what they have i i i agree with you where i do think that one b is going to have to go crazy and i think that he will no shit they don't that thunder able to win tonight massively impressive to do this without a j and jaydub massively impressive to be able to get out the mud with jeremy kane and caruso stepping up offensively yeah's playmaking being good he needs to be a good in this game otherwise that's not going to happen but insanely impressive to be able to take away

this spurs team in game five without those two guys they do two games in a row no man that's different without without your two best creators outside of shade that's nuts and it makes such a big difference to them like yeah again thank god they were able to get it done on their end like thank god they had jerry mcane in that trade like you said and they can feel good about being able to have enough to win again it is such an uphill battle for them without these two ball handers it's crazy how much she just has to pound the rock and figure it out when like we said they're being do a good job defending him stephan castle's the perfect defender made a lab for him it's crazy how much they're working against on the offensive side and still figuring it out if they win tonight everybody kind of plays to

to the level that they are alice are carus on MVP come on now he's been looking like ray island this here dude he's shooting 58% crazy he's ridiculous he's got the gray island's done that he's going crazy he's amazing he's amazing again robert polenko letting him leave changed NBA history. This guy is one of the best role players of all time, it seems like. Shout out Rob, man. Is Alex Caruso a NBA history defying role player? That's crazy.

Yeah. For T. For T.H.D. You can't trigger me anymore. I'm just, I'm going to do that. I'm on his head. I just need to need everybody to know. Your dynasty was because from T's stupid. I got to Rob Polika. He's going to get backdoor pretty soon.

Man, we'll see if it ends tonight. If not, we're in for the game seven we all expected to see, which in that case, I'll still stick to Thunder and Seven like we've said from the beginning. But we'll see. It can be anybody's series

with AJ Mitchell and J.Metow about nothing certain. Ooh, man, a series of a lot of time. Let's do it. Yep. Now, with that being said, let's get into the main topic of this episode.

Let's talk about the best and worst players in this playoffs. Let's start by ranking the top 10 best players in this playoffs. And I think what this really means is like relative to expectations because obviously we can come up here

and just rank the like superstars. But relative to what you expected from them in their role, who has been the best 10? Okay. Got a cat sighting on Mo. Me and Blue go way back. I don't even know, man. So I think obviously cats on this list, Wembe's on the list. I think Wembe is probably one.

Yeah, Wembe's probably been the best player. He just came off a rough game, so it's funny timing. But overall, throughout the series, especially if you take away, those two games you pay five minutes, which maybe he's not fair to take away. He's the one that elbowed somebody in the head and got ejected. He's the one that fell recklessly. So, but without those two games,

he's averaging like 28 and 14. It's been pretty fucking crazy. Yeah. And then we've, the fact that he was already in the MVP conversation in the regular season. And then every single series, and it obviously was at his peak after game one,

everybody's watching Wembe and saying, okay, this is probably the best player in the world right now. So I think him taking that leap, he should be at one. Is there any argument for anybody else? Should we consider Shay? Should we consider Brunson?

should we consider Kat? Is there anybody else that you look at and says, for what you wanted to see from them, they've done better? I think I super respects Kate Cunningham. I think he was dealt, of course, with like outside of Shay. And I guess you could say Brunson,

the most difficult task as a lead guard because there's literally negative shooting out there on the goddamn court. And seeing how he's been doing that, again, off of a collapse lung just a month ago, a month before the playoffs started doing that, having to deal with like guys coming, having to deal with guys,

He's a chest every single time playing still great defense. And then Hidness 3 is like a great clip. Of course, there's inconsistencies here and there and you're going to get the nasty games because that just that just was bound to happen to every superstar in the league. But I feel like I truly see him level up as a playoff score. And he's like tasked and he fully embodied. He fully like ran with that. Yeah.

Wren with that role. Yeah, he's definitely consideration for top five. I don't think he's consideration for top of one. Not one. But salute to K. He'll definitely be on this list. Exactly. And I think he's top five.

I think he's off five. I don't know where, but he's here for sure. Yeah. So, Wembe's number one. Yokic, obviously, is not going to be number one. Be one of the other best players in the world with the terrible showing he had. I guess Shag would be in consideration, but he hasn't been scoring well enough for us to put him one, I think. I think Brunson might be too.

Brunson's a consideration for two for sure. I think, honestly, like, Brunton and Kat, if we're just going off of, like, field in terms of, like, expectations and exceeding them, cat would probably be above brunson in that in that sense because even like game one of the really half one of the of the of the hawks series right brunson went went crazy had a you know just a regular series it wasn't wasn't the best brunson series and then he played obviously really really well in the second round and then this series it's been a lot more just even across the board obviously he had his his crazy you know fourth quarter overtime against the cabs in game one But it hasn't been like, okay, we're giving Bruns on the ball every single time and his

score and he's going to elevate us, you know, every single time. So I think the level to which Kat is playing defense, the passing that he's had, his ability to fit into the offense and make a lot of things go. I would say Katz probably been two. Okay. Be Souls. Is Jason Tatum or Jalen Brown is her consideration for top five, even though they got first rounded?

No. I can't. I can't. Shout out to Tatum. I think he played as well as he could Can they make top ten? I think he can. Okay,

maybe I need to see the names, but Maybe we'll get there. Yeah, maybe we'll get there. Number one, we're going to Vic undoubtedly just because of the two-way impact and how good he's been outside of the games he got injured or ejected for violence.

I think too, do we have to go Shay still? Even with the bad shooting games against the Spurs, he had a couple of down games against the Lakers but still had a play make very well against the Lakers, so I don't hold that series against him really. Nuked the Suns. Obviously, he had that final game. He had over 40.

incredibly impressive. In this Spurs series, I think he's had two terrible games, two okay games and one really good game. Yeah. Again, playing against Victor Womniama and late defense, Stefan Castle. He's chees and so hard right now. Got the cat on him?

Hey, shut up. Getting boxed. I'm getting full pressure right now. What's okay? You got a man, nervous. Go pod. Go pod. I got it. You say still got to be two. He's still at the point where the one game away from making the finals.

He's done his role. Again, struggle at a time. it's not perfect necessarily, neither is Wembe, but none of the other players were talking about have been perfect either. I thought the Knicks who face no resistance, but those guys aren't asked as much to do as Shea. Yeah.

Is she still number two? You could say he's number two, but for the playoffs, me personally, I wouldn't say so. He had a terrific series, obviously, against the Phoenix Suns, dropped a career high at like 41, 42 points, wildly efficient. Second series with the Lakers, he struggled at times, and they threw

a whole lot of different coverages. But, you know, efficiency SU was still good. And he figured it out by the end. He had a couple games because they were, again, double team so hard. He figured the shit out. Yeah, he did. Turnover numbers starting to creep up.

And then this series is facing the best defense that he's ever facing his entire career. Shea wouldn't be wrong at all. I just would rather want to give the crown to Brunton because of how consistent he's been. Now, of course, like he, when it comes to like the level of town that he's played or whatever, maybe it's not a match, and also I can understand that. Maybe it is that.

But the spurs of it all makes it. difference enough to me that I also go Shea 2. I'm not going to cry about it if you go Brunson 2, Shea 3. I go Brunson 2. Then let's not cry about it. All right. Brunson 2. Sure.

This is a Nick's Blake's episode. This is a Nick's Blake's episode. We can go Brunson number two best player in the playoffs because of the fact they've had a truly dominant defense. Yeah. Playoff teams be damned. We thought these teams they played against were still good teams that had an impressive show in the round before that we thought would give them somewhat of a fight.

We thought they would all be five, six, maybe seven game series because we had the hope after the Sixers beat the Nick Celtics. We thought, oh, maybe. maybe they can do this against the next two, they got stomped out. They got snuffed in four games because the offense was all-time great, led by Brunson being the best player there. I'm fine going Brunson, two. I'm sure.

So Brunson two, Shea three. Yes. This is the only time of his life he'll be able to get this though. The only time. Over Shea? Yeah. Brunzel will never be overstating again. Unless they beat them in the finals.

Listen, man. The finals are coming. We'll see. Come on, man. But you're probably right. If they beat the thunder and Brunson gets final MVP, you know the rule. For the summer, I can say whatever I want. Sure. You did it, but Jaylor Hertz, you can do it again.

You got the summer. He was saying crazy shit with Hearst. He's going to say, outlandish shit with Jaylen Brunson. Oh, that'd be discussed. Actually, I'm okay with it because Brunson's cool. All right. So top three, we have solidified. No, the best players on the three contenders. That makes sense. Guys hating hard. How should I not?

Four and five. Obviously, outside the superstars leading the true contenders. Cat, and two is a conversation. OG? Ooh. OG could, do we go three nicks in the top five? I think if we consider what you're, asked to do and the difficulty rule, which matters a lot to me in a playoff setting. It's my

turn. What's up? Yeah, she's doing the full rotation. Say hi to everybody. Feeling hell of social today. What's up? She hasn't showed her face on a long time. I know. I know. We've got a laptop. Come on. You know the rules. Get it out of here. She's been moody, man. Don't actually know what's going on. Well, she just bit him. I don't know funny shit ever. On camera. My thought would be to go

cat in one of these two spots because a lot of people's eyes have been the best player. People are, now this is like fake woke to me. They're on Twitter. They've been like, Becky Hamm is not wrong. Cass is really the best player. Whatever. But I think Cass been close enough that we can put him up there. And I guess I would say Kaye Cunningham for the burden he had a shoulder and how he rose the occasion there. I think Cade is probably four.

Cade is one of the people where like the other three guys, they're playing right now. Cade could be playing right now if other members on his team didn't let him down. Yeah, definitely. So he probably should be at four. Yeah, I think it should be F4. So far for this playoffs, for this first playoff, he is the leader in points, which is interesting that he's able to do that. Of course, he's the only one who's able to do that for that team.

And he shot way more efficiency from three compared to the season prior. So I think he's been the most, he's been like the fourth, fifth most impressive player for me. She just wants pets all day. She's so neat. He's going back and forth. He never does this. Yeah, but I agree. I think talent level Cade's up there.

Role responsibility. He's up there. quality of defenses he played, he's up there. No reason not to give it to him. Obviously, the efficiency is an amazing. Again, keep all that in mind. You understand why. Yeah, exactly.

That happens in these rules. Same thing with Shea. You understand why against top-end defenses and everybody's able to key in on you because the secondary ball handlers either aren't existent in Kade's case or injured in Shea's case. You have some understanding of efficiency drops. Yeah. I do.

It was only one series, but should we consider Scotty Barnes at 5 or not? I think we could consider it, for sure. I might still lean cat just because the moment they're, and winning all these rounds matters and he's been such an integral part of it. But we can definitely, if you want to make the case, we can definitely have the case for Scotty.

What if I cry about it? If you cry for Scotty Barnes, will I respect those tears? I have to actually see tears. If you can cry on the spot. If you can cry on command right now, we'll do it. That's a, if you can get in your actor bag and you can shed it too.

That's related. I'm good. That'd be impressive, honestly. I mean, to get you at an audition somewhere. Hold on now. Michael Vee, I'm coming for you. Yeah, that's funny. I don't have to pause that.

So unnecessary. I think you feel the need to pause as a pause. Mine's on the gutter. It's 6040. It's 6040. You should pause? Yeah. Okay, never mind.

I guess you should pause. Good job. Yeah. No, my. All right, who's next? At six, I think Scotty should be at six. So we agree, Katz five. There's no argument for anybody else?

Yeah. I'm happy we get in this moment right now. Okay. How many Knicks are we can get on this list? get the whole starting five on the top 10. OG should be OG and McKin, listen. Yeah. We don't have to do that.

McHale, hell no. We don't have to do that. Why? The start of the playoffs, we're the start of the playoffs. He did start off the match. McKell was shooting 70% from the field. I know.

It's been crazy. What was he for the entirety of the playoffs? Let me not shut it down. No, that's what I'm saying. From the moment he liked, like after, after game three, from that moment on, Mikhail has been outstanding.

McKale has, is shooting like 60% from the field. His defense has been good. He's been as aggressive as he's been. If there's ever a time to glaze Mikhail and put him on one of these lists, it is right now. Why is there ever a time, though?

Why do we have to do that? Why are we required? I'd rather have put OG ahead of McHale. We're making this list right now. That's what I'm saying. This is the only time that we're talking about like, oh, yeah, who are the top 10 players in the playoffs? McKell has been amazing.

He's been really good. I won't write it off. We'll see when we get to. He could be 10. I'm not saying six. Yeah. We'll see when we get towards the back end of this list. It's definitely possible.

But yeah, I think we agree, Scottie Barnes is six. The defense he played the ability to make plays offensively to and rise and have that power game that translates to the playoffs. You're going to play with real effort and physicality. He translated amazingly. 100% he did. Next star to be on here. We consider OG being the third guy there who was like, you know, the super role player

that at times early in the playoffs, especially, was not playing like a role player. He was playing like a star against the Hawks to close out that series. Slow down a little bit after the injury. Still play fantastic, but he was dropping 30 in some of those games. It was ridiculous. Do we consider any of the Celtics players who still played good, one of those two stars in the Jays? We could consider where do you go bear?

We consider, do you, is there any world when Nicole Yoke makes a top 10 still good? He's out, right? He's out. No, you guys can't be out. He's out. Just because of the way he went out. Brother, they lost to the wolves with ant on one leg. No, not playing.

Ant not playing, Nante not playing, I'm not playing. They lost that he was getting exposed defensively. Not even in seven at home. You lost in six. Yeah. And we're getting ran. No, you are not on this list. So if that's the case.

Come on. Do we put the Yokin stopper? Do we put Rudey Gobert number seven? Well, you put him in a tough spot. He could be up here. He's in the combo to me. I think he has to be one of these four spots. I think, yeah, I think Gobert, because the two series that they played,

he obviously was outstanding in round one. it's it's wimby and wimby was ascending but he did a uh a respectable job in the in the second round as well i think for for those games i think he definitely should be in in the top ten okay so i think we have gobert we have ogy does does tiths maxi make the top ten you know got the sultics out of here tyrese does for sure he deserves to be a part of the conversation wasn't great in the second round obviously got locked up by that new york nix tornado was an integral part of getting the seltics out of here yeah and was better than joel and beating the sultics out of here yeah and was better than joel and the second round. So if they're going to get one spot for being the Celtics, I think it'd probably

go maxi. Okay, that's fair. So Maxi or Gobert? Does this-O-G? Stefan Castle definitely deserves to be a part of this conversation. And here's the conversation what he's doing defensively. Yeah, he's averaging like 19 points, shooting decently well from three as well. Not taking that many per game, but so when he takes him, he makes him. Okay, so I'm, if we're talking about those four right now, I'm thinking OG, Gobert, Castle, Maxie. O.G. Gobert, Castle, Maxie. Gobe. I think I'd rather have

Castle ahead of Gobert because he kind of trailed off and kind of got away with it during the... Okay. So O.G. Castle, Gobert, Maxi. It's a way, B, it's tough. I don't know. Why's he so bad? I don't know. What's going on? I think OG said it makes sense, though. Okay. So I think we can agree O.G. being the third guy

of the Knicks who have been... They weren't having multiple spots just because the way they're beating teams is so team-oriented. that it's not individual accolade one star carrying the team. It's not even two stars carrying the team. It's the entire starting lineup and the entire rotation just beludgeoning teams. I think it's fair to give them a third player there. I agree.

Three to the top seven. Don't get too great. I'm talking about Josh Hart. I got a super team. Hell no. Bro, if you talk about Josh Hart, I'm going to have to pick up the hammer and do some unspeakable thing. Damn. Josh Hart.

On this list? Come on. Great player. Please. I mean, he heavy hitters only right now. Locked up, CJ. You know first-hand what Josh Hart can do. Got him.

Speechless. I'm letting you get away with so much trying out because you deserve the smoke. I'm really not getting away with anything. You are. So we go Castle, Gobert, Maxie. You close it up? I like Castle.

Gobert and be on here. Is it too late to throw in zero in this combo? Yeah, he's not making this, man. Tough. I'm sorry. You don't go zero for Maxi? No. 23, 11, and 7.

Good efficiency, man. Zero. play really well until he until he wasn't there this one game yeah it was one game it was the game that's pretty important yeah you were you were up 3-1

and you were pissing your pants like we were watching we were watching that game and there were multiple times zero was air balling do we can see the cavalier bad bricks the cavaliers made the conference finals I don't know if any of their individual players really shine like that and every round we're like man these guys suck

yeah they made it because somebody had come on the southern bracket D. Mitch had a solid series against the mix until he didn't. But like, it's so crazy how we can say he's had like a solid series. He had the swept, yeah.

He had a solid three quarters in game one. Yeah. I'm just, I'm letting cast fans know we remember them, but I'm fine if we don't put anybody on here. The scoring numbers are good. You're right. But it's like,

do you really want to play? I'm not, I'm not paying D Mitch on this list. I think we should for the whole playoffs. For the whole, no. I'm putting. I would put Bronn over DeMitch

Oh we could put Braun They got the Rockets I forgot about Bronn Oh yeah we probably I would put Bronn I go zero Siphon Castle I go Cherubon Oh Chet

For the playoffs I go all of those guys Before I put DeMitch Yeah Chet's been a mouse Against Wemby obviously He was looking incredible I'm putting heart

Before I put D Mitch Oh my gosh Okay I didn't do it to go Bronn for waiting the first round Yeah let's do Bronn for sure Yeah being able to just

IQ his way To winning a playoff series and feeding the right people. Yeah. Now, did Braun actually have one of the most, we're not going to eat. We're going to go Castle, go bare, Braun.

Okay. That'll finalize the list. And did Bronn have an actually insane box score? No. But he allowed everybody else to eat in just enough ways that were overcome

an immense talent deficiency. Yeah. He willed. Luke and Arden having the best game of his career. He made it happen. He willed.

Marcus Martin turned at the clock and looking like an all-star. He made it happen. He used Hall of Fame mind control. Yeah. It was up 3-0. It's hilarious. Up 3.

hilarious. Hall of Fame mind control is hilarious. What a way to glaze LeBron. You really do be glazed abroad. You just don't notice it at all. You're just like us. No, you are like us. I'm not just like us.

Hall of Fame mind control? You're disgusting. You're a bigger glacier. I'll be paid off what he said. Bro, you're a glazier. He just said he willed him. Yeah, but you said Hall of Fame mind control. That is, and that's why we're so great.

We just, we play off of each other strengths. That's what I just, I thought that was good writing. It is good. right. I didn't say my control. But you just don't want to take Glaze credit and we're trying to give you that credit and you should accept it. No, because I understand what I understand what glazing

is and I understand what I've like because I listen, I've glazed before. There's levels to this Bronn Glaze that I think I legitimately I think there's a level of braung glaze that I have reached or that I had reach that most other people don't even remember to think about.

Yes, you're undercover glazer. I know. It used to be part of what I did as a person that's not who I am anymore. But come on, man. Like, I really used to be out here. He's talking like he quit smoking cigarettes. You still had that shit, man. You just fucking relapse, buddy.

You still have that itch. Can I break the fourth wall? Yeah. There was a couple weeks ago. I played forever in the car with Mo. Guess who was singing along with me. Who? Dude.

Come on, man. It's a good song. Yeah. The bronze song Just singing along with me Yeah It's a good bronze song It is a good bronze song

All right That is our top 10 players Of the conference finals My bad Of the playoffs Let's talk about the 10 Worst players In the NBA playoffs this year

Where do we begin And again This is relative to expectations Right So We're not gonna do The 10 players At the bottom of rotations

That just get picked on We're not We're not To come up here And just be like Jared Vanderbilt's Carter Brian Pick all these guys

Who have struggled Let me not Put Carter You're nowhere near Jared Randolphin conversations. I need to take a step back and look inworth and saying that. The 10 players relative to the expectations, where do we begin at the top list? I got two names that are fighting for the top spot.

Really, really three. Jamal Murray. Okay. Nicole Eokic. 100%. Julius Randall. There's the top three. Those are my top three. I would like to nominate one other player for the top tier. And again, relative to relative to expectations, what opportunity was in front of them, what they could have did with the opportunity. What it means for them to not make that opportunity happen, Reeshepard. Reed Shepherd was horrible Reechpper was liability on defense and did not rise in the cage in offensively at all

when like I've never seen somebody so gifted an opportunity when they need you so bad to just do the things you were drafted for to be a point guard to be a ball handler to be able to just score, shoot, pass all these things and someone struggles so mightily at that one thing they need to do.

Okay. Is he won though? He's not one. He's not one. He's not one. I mean one probably has to be Yokic just because the moment being the best player in the world having your 2011 Braun series being one of the main reasons your team loses a series in a specific fashion. Yes. Probably has to be Yokojit.

And everyone fully expecting you to come back in this series and you said it, which is hilarious. This is, it was, we all imagine and assume this was going to be the most unethical through and comeback that we've seen in our lifetime. Couldn't even do that. Couldn't even have the unethical comeback. Yeah. That's terrible. Cool.

So Yokin Chuan. Yokish one. Okay. Is his partner in crime also getting arrested with him? Are we putting Murray 2? Disgusting brothers, yeah. I'm not mad at putting him, putting Murray, too. His number, his shooting numbers were, again, atrocious.

I feel like even though he hasn't played in like, obviously, like a month or whatever, every time I go back to it, it looks even worse and worse. Again, mind you, he shot 35% from the field. Yuck. 26% from the 3.9. Yuck. We were all gassing up the Denver Nuggets before the series started because we are like, we were all like, yo, like this is not the same Jamal Murray, that Jane McDaniel.

is used to facing at all. This guy leveled up. He's an all-star. One of the most efficient three-point shooting years that we've seen in NBA history, bruh, just to come out and do that. Yeah, I think all of the,

for Jamal Murray to play as well as he did in the regular season and everyone finally be like, oh wow, like Jamal Murray, he's here, he's arrived. This is what he should be every single year. And then for him to fail in the way that they did. There's no reason why they should have lost that series. There's no reason why that series should have went any further. than Nuggets in five.

And it truly was like an embarrassment because now the Nuggets as a as an organization, we all thought two years ago when they when they won the title, this is the next dynasty in waiting. They've gone outside a couple different playoffs. And now that entire franchise is in an existential crisis. It's because of those two guys. What a goddamn shame to you. You said, what did you say?

Dynasty in Waiting. Even if it's not Dynasty and Waiting, this should have been a multi-time champion. Like the moment we had in 2023 when we look at that starting five, and we talked about how it's the most perfect starting five we've ever seen around one specific All-Star in his specific skill set, to have the strong power four that can hide you defensively, can beat a play finisher at the room, catching lobs, to have the three and D guys in the wing in KCP and Michael Porter Jr.

That have their high-end skill sets in the complimentary guard. Like, they really had it all. It's crazy that it lasted such a small amount of time. And people always say, like, that's why you don't gas up these teams whenever they're, You say they're going to have this window. Runs don't last as long as they should. That might be true.

They also just fumbled that shit. Like it should have lasted as long as we thought. Yeah. Yeah. You're right. And now where we're having preliminary conversations about trading Jamal Murray and how he's like up for graphics potentially. That's crazy.

Yeah. I think there's times where you can like play your way out of trade conversations. If you play your way into trade conversations, you're one of the two worst players in the player. When you were looking untouchable earlier in the year, when we said you finally figured out, you're a superstar. People say you're a top 50 player in the world. Yuck.

Top 15. For what? Yeah. Number three, do you have to go Julius Randall on account of every single Timberl's fan I've seen on the internet that has an internet connection, owns a router, owns a smartphone, or some other type of device that has Twitter access, has said, trade Julius Randall. People are going to McDonald's for the free Wi-Fi just to get that off. They're using their smart fridges to tweet and say, trade Julius Randall.

Doobious handle has to go. Smart fringes. I've seen someone tweet via air friar. And it said, trade Randall. Bro, how advanced can airfriars get? I need me one of them. Enough to tweet, I guess. Damn.

Trust me, we're just touching the surface of what airfries can. Technology to go to the moon. There's still a second wave of innovation coming for airfriars. And you better catch up. I got to be in the air fire. You're going to be in the air fire. Don't get left behind. You're going to be in the air fire permanent underclass.

They got glass ones now. You got a glass one. Again, we're just scratching the surface. surface of food technology. They want Julius Randall up out the face so fucking bad. That's crazy. So I've ever talked about the air fire permanent underclass. Yeah, nothing else needs to be said, right? We know the

Julius Randall situation. We know that they would like to upgrade that spot to give another star next to Ethie Edwards that can be relied upon a little more. And not that he played horribly. He made to get a solid first run series, but when it mattered most was pretty bad on both ends. Yeah. Now, can I entertain

a James Harden into the as well. They made the conference finals, so it's tough. They made the conference finals. He was also bad. I do want to, I think he can avoid this list, but only because he, like, he sits on the board of this list. Okay.

Right. It's like a very, he has his honorary doctorates. Grandfather did. Yes. Into bad playoff moments. So I feel like we can focus on other people outside of James Tawnden because we know what's going to happen when, when the playoffs comes. This is the nice stuff ever seen treat James ever.

With that being said, I think Reed Shepherd is clearly four. Okay. I'm actually, Jalen Duren. Oh, my God. How do we go so long? Can Jeline Dern actually be three? Sure. Over, over Randall?

Go for it. Was he worse? No, I don't think he was worse than Randall because he wasn't worse, but it mattered more. Yeah. So. Yeah, so what does, would you rather get traded or would you rather stay in the same place where everybody hates you and you're underpaid? Because, like, you just lost yourself some money.

I think Timberwells weren't in a position to beat the Spurs either way so I think Jalen Duren's fall off and playoff dropping mattered more

because all they had to do is beat the Cavs who we had no faith in we're an unsirious team we're only in the conference finals because somebody had to beat the Raptors and somebody had to beat the Pistons

who were teams that were ill-equipped to make it in deep playoff runs all you had to beat was a technicality in front of you you had to beat a placeholder playoff team and you could have done that

if you had Jayland Dern playing at all-star level. Be a technicality. The Cavs are an entity, and you could have got past them if Jailen Duren was averaging 20 points for game like he did in the regular season. If you have it's 17, they would have won't. 15, he might have gotten there.

Yeah, they would have been in the Western Conference Finals or Eastern Conference Finals. Yeah, so I think Jayland Duren's playoff dropping is more consequential. And in this list, especially when we're engaging these stars, I think consequences probably matter the most within these guys. The top two, obviously, lost in the first round,

folded a championship window where people were saying, people were picking you over OKC in the West. You were saying, because of Yokic, you're the only team that can stop Victor Wominyama because Victor Womianama is not an effective Yokish defender. Couldn't get there.

Same thing you'd be set for Jalen Dernes. It was your year to make a run. The East is wide open. You failed to get to cutting him. Yeah. Now, with that being said, I will scream if Reed Sheper is not number five. You got it.

You got it. I won't cry, but I will be upset. I'll start arguing. I'll change the vibe of the conversation. It's okay. I will be belligerent. I'll cause a ruckus. I will be hootin and indeed hollering.

No, but that being said, the only way you can convince me to put Reed Shepard number six is if you want to put Alperin Chungunya number five. Hold on. Might be potting. Yeah, you're right. Chingoon's definitely deserve to be like number five because of course, expectation was there, should have been there for you to beat this old, LeBron team because it's like, yo, your second, the second best player is Luke Kinnard. Why is he sniping you guys? Why is Marcus Mark giving you like not even like throwback buckets?

He's never gone these type of bucket before this career. But he was, it wasn't an out of body experience. You're making him someone who he's never been in any of his life. That's fucking crazy. You made him Drew Holiday. Yeah, for what? No reason at all. And you can even like.

And your, your lead defenders were the easiest set of guys to ever like, you could ever ask for in a postseason setup, which is Jackson Hayes. and DeAndre Hayden, you couldn't get buckets over those guys. And he had his moments. He specifically had his moments where he was piecing up Jackson Hayes. I gave you no, I don't commend you at all for piecing up Jackson Hayes. I don't whatsoever. Defensively, he wasn't very good.

Offensively wasn't consistent enough late into the series. Deion Andrean did a good job defending him. Of course he had his moments, but he didn't provide all-sword level of value in a season in which Kevin Durant's not there. You providing an all-star level of value was immensely important to save your season. And like you mentioned, that Lakers team wasn't good. enough that you should have stood no chance. Yeah.

Man, there's a lot of, there's a lot of people. So you're doing six. Oh, I thought we were putting it up five. No, put, now put read at five. Okay. Because I do think in terms of consequences,

the way that the Rockets look at Reed Shepard going forward is very, it's very, very different. Like the shine or the propping up that you were the number three overall draft pick like we should have this faith in you. No, man, you're just a guy who's on this team now.

And you have to prove yourself the same way, even more so than everybody else. Because we actually have NBA film of you not being able to do the thing. So, Reech Ever should be at 5, pushangoon at 6. Jalen Suggs should be on this list. I think Derek White should be on this list. Oh, Derek White, who failing to make shots in any capacity is not the, he's not the reason they lost, but the lack of shooting is the reason they lost. And he's probably the front of mind in that way, right?

He can be the representative for the Celties downfall. Yeah, and I think once again, you play yourself into trade talks. Yes. So we're now, now this guy who first team all defense. Who cares? Yeah, first team all defense. Guys like B. Souls, people of his ilk are saying, yeah, I'd honestly be okay if Derek White was gone.

That's kind of crazy. Yeah. And bro, like, again, I still think Derek White is one of the better defenders in this league. So big on this picture. He's so big. Dude is he's covering part of the seven You're right That's just his head though

It's all the same size I swear to God It's to scale man We need to do nothing But yeah dude I just checked the numbers To see if he shot Worse than Jalen Suggs

because I wanted to have an argument He didn't Janus sucks shot 29% Fins 3 point line Derek White saw 27% Yikes That's tough

Jail him on there I feel like the Jalen Sucks thing and like he's been catching the flag because somebody has to because Pallel played decent some games. So like,

and France wasn't there. So like Jalen Suggs is the guy who gets the flag for the magic offense falling apart. I don't know if he was definitively like horrible because he still is a good defender. Still did some good things in moments. But I'm not against him being in the bottom three. I mean, yeah, I definitely do think that he's a part of the problem.

Definitely part. He's a part of the reason why they went out and got some like Desmond Bain because they needed some more creativity, offensive being more consistent shooting. They're just asking to be like, you shoot bare minimum like 34, 33%. He said, hell no, I'll give you 29. That's all I got him.

He can't be the next one, I think. Because I think there's a few names we have to acknowledge. I think him and Derek White are the same guys. Maybe. I mean, when you shoot the Celtics, though. And you very much are in like trade conversations because of that. I'm fair. I'm putting them there. But the Celtics are here. Derek White's here because they were expected to win and make a deep run. Magic would he worked.

So I have less ire for his failure than I do for Derek White's and everything he represents. Brandon Ingram. It was terrible. And they got hurt. Didn't play, but it was terrible when he was there. He's in the conversation. Once about playoff droppers, Nikkel Alexander Walker didn't necessarily play fantastic.

Yaka Pertil is a corpse walking around. I think Yacapurl is probably the next one that probably deserves to be number eight. Yeah. And Donovan Klingin, I got absolutely nuked by Wemianama and also didn't play well when Wembe missed that game.

Yeah, I think, I think Sugg still deserves to be above all those guys. He couldn't even finish at the rim. He saw 40% at the rim, bro. It's been that bad for Jalen Sucks. Yeah, if you do shoot 39% from the field, That's a bad, that's a bad series. Yeah, okay.

He shot 39% from two. Yes. That's horrendous. It's disgusting. So also now, on this, on that other list, are we putting, um, the smartest man in the NBA on this list? Damn Brown. Jaylon Brown. Mr.

Cranium himself. Mr. Understander himself. Mr. Understander. Mr. Controversial mind himself. Mr. Yeah. Is he on the list?

It's tough. If he's here, it's for the off the court stuff. It's for the streams. We're holding that against them. Yes. Let's do it. That's performance. Yes, let's do it.

So are loser tax. Yes, he's number nine. Okay. All right. Like, bro, you blew a 3-1 lead. Yeah. And you complained about it. It was like, if I was Shay, I'd get away with this.

Whatever. How about that? He said these rest got something against me, bro. They're building the case against me, but, yeah. I'm just too powerful. My mind is too strong on my platform. Just standing against me. You are not that.

I'm causing change. He doesn't think he's status. He thinks he's a leader of movement. The he, Michael, Max. Yeah. He's NBA Fred Hampton. He's going to stand up with some brothers. Adam Silver won't not silence me.

We don't got a picture for him, so. He's there in spirit. They're in spirit. Yeah, he's on the board. He's on the board with Hardin. I do like what you said about Nikola Alexander Walker. He was bad. And after having a breakout year being MIP, averaging 20 points per game for the first time

his career seeing a huge points for game we've been just genuinely being a better player all across all around the board while also like keeping up that same level of defense was wildly impressive for the entirety of the year we talked about it gave him all his flowers and he went mip because of that to see the defense still like be what it was it is still like fantastic but offensively again being boxed the points of where you're shooting 38 percent from the three point line or from the field three point line three point shoot numbers are still like good but overall the creation and seeing how he was just like completely like that was negated from his game is very disappointing and outside of like taking contested tough three-pointers to forever be good at all the in between

stuff that like really put him in a different caliber and tier players tier player made me feel like oh wow like this is someone who's actually going to make a difference in a plus and he he wasn't so he did i think he belongs here for sure also um you know what jane and sucks you you live to fight on that day you have to be moved down to i'm looking at the game logs right now now Brandon Ingram, man. I knew I knew it was bad. And for he had he had a couple of shots in game three, I guess, at the end of the game. I think that's the main thing that I've remembered.

And I didn't, this stuff is disgusting. Dude, there were better once he left, once he got hurt. There's a, there's a three for 15 game. There's a six for 23 game. For the series, he shot 34% from the field. From two, he shot 32%. That's. He shot worse from two than Jayla Suggs did.

Yeah, I think if Jaylon Brown is going to be on the board of directors because we don't have a picture for him, and he's on this list, I almost think we close it with Brandon Ingram and Jakub hurdle and just do double raptor. Why, why Yakup, man? What kind of question is that? He just, Jakob, like, leave him alone. Leave him alone. No.

Yeah. No, I refuse. I'd rather put Nikola's under Walker person. Go for it. Nikola's under Walker and Brandon Ingram. That closes out of list. Yeah. The expectation for Nikol was just different compared to Jak.

He was ass the entire season. No one expected any different. he kept it up. Is Jacob be a guy? Yes. Oh, yes. Yacob is his guy. I forgot about that.

You've never been. Yes. In our last offseason ranking episode, we had centers. And we spent like 30 minutes arguing about your Andre universe Jacob Pertil. Listen, I just felt like arguing that day. Because he said that Jacob was the sixth best center in the NBA. Wait, I said that. Listen, I didn't take my Ossoagana that day.

My saffron, I was like off and I wasn't really like, you know. I don't think he had him stupid high. I'm definitely just lying for the Lord. But he did have him stupid high. He had like 11 and 12, though. He had a dumb high. It was more so like eating hate though. Not necessarily.

No, no, it was Jacob love too. Nah. It was a bull. Trust me. Nah, that's nasty. He's your guy, though. You're a Ya'iqv guy. Like definitively, it is his guy.

Where he placed him, that does not matter. You just know it was too high. Like, I had him in like, I don't know, like 20 or something. I still had him like, he was ranked top 30. He was not respect Yaqub. But he was like, no, Yakum's a star. You should be lucky to have Yaqub in the purple and gold

And I was like, I don't know I mean Aiden at least is a loft Or a little athletic I can at least have some movement Fuck that and fuck you It's Jacob bitch We had a whole argument For no reason

Yeah, that is our top ten With Jaylon Brown and James Hardin Being the board of directors That is the 10 worst players In the conference finals I keep saying conference finals In the playoffs as a whole Yeah man

Now is that being said It's time for some producer corner Yes It's time for us to wrap with the basketball conversation and talk about some nonsense what do we have today today i want to test everyone's acting skills man and i know that sounds crazy our acting skills yeah oh acting skills you think you're good actor mo i don't know sometimes i can sound artificial you can sound artificial have you tried acting before and you look in the mirror and you're like damn it's an artificial

yeah what was your practice what were your reps no just random memes that i remember memes so you you were in the you were in the mirror being like damn daniel yeah But my actors don't hit the same. You're a damn Daniel guy. I'm not necessarily that. I'm in the mirror. What are, though? Yeah.

What are though? So you can't even do it. Fucking up right now, man. Donovan, could you be an actor? There was a time I was. There was a time you were? Yeah. You were an actor.

Yeah, for a quick second. It was like, it was a day my, my parents took me and my sister out of school and we were extras in this like Asian film. What? What? No, I got to know what Ray was playing. I don't know. I don't know what the film was.

But we were, yeah, we were like extras and just like random like Asian indie film. You was an obsession for Asian people? What? Salute. It is AAPI month. It's not over yet. Salute. All right.

Our activity for today, I'm going to show you. guys a phrase and y'all got to say it based off the tone that I show y'all. I think it's going to be self-explanatory. So those TikToks where there's like five different tones, it might say sad, inspirational, sarcastic, whatever, and you get to say this phrase like that? Yeah. Okay. All right. The first phrase. Wow. Okay. Mo, you take this one. How do you say this one? All right. This is going to be the first tone. Sarcastic. Wow. Okay. I know, right? I said what's up, right?

Yeah, that dude what's up, man? I did good, I did good, I did good. Hell yeah. Wow. Okay. Oh, shit. Hey, man, I might leave this part for good. He's so proud of himself.

Okay. Oh, shit. He's still coming. Yo, I'm back right now, man. He's actually the dumb and person. No, man. I'm so good right now, bro. Fuck.

Wow. Wow. He's so satisfied with himself. All right. I think you got the next one. Disgusted. Wow. Okay.

Disgusted. Wow. Okay. It's a mo. Disgusted is hard. Discuss it's hard. Yeah. Wow.

Okay. All right. Don't know. It'll be the stupidest shit. All right. Surprise. Oh, man. Um, how am I going to do?

Wow! Like, like happy surprise or mad surprise? It's up to the artist's interpretation. I thought you've seen Cat block a shot. Cat blocks a shot? Yeah. Okay, I'll put you in this scenario. The Warriors got the number one about picking the lottery.

Wow. Okay. Okay. Okay. That was the most accurate one. All right. Next phrase. I can't believe we're doing this.

Oh, God. Okay. All right. Mo, you got the first one. Let's do it. Disappointed. I can't believe you doing this, right? Sorry.

I'm a bad blue. He's got to get it. Hell yeah. He's locked. He's locked. Oh, yeah. I can't believe me doing this. All right.

Next. Donovan. Okay Flirty Oh my God Oh hell no Come on Lock it lock it

Man This is for the Oscar Don't be too good man You might get cracked for real This is for the Oscar Come on This is the worst I can be playing

I don't want to do this I don't want to do this Oh okay You know, I actually don't know Flirty Flirty Flirty Flirty I can't believe

We're doing this What? All right Fair We can't do too much better I wouldn't know How to do much better Either way

So I mean me You do it then Hey don't do it Hey don't do it Hey Bs let me Go ahead Hey Bs would you do it

No Yeah Actually you do it Kinky Souls Okay okay Okay hold on Lock in He looked his lips

I can't believe be doing this. That was decent. That's solid. Okay. Okay. That was uncomfortable. Yeah, that was mad uncomfortable.

Matt variable vibes. All right, next. Excited. This one's for Isaac. Man, I can't believe we're doing this. There you go. There you go. You got the easy one.

That's tough. All right. Next. You look good. You're kinky as fuck. You want to make it that way? What's the mood? First one.

We're going to Mo. Genuine. You look good, man. You look good. All right. Look the Don, by the way. All right. Isaac.

Confused. You look good? You don't usually do that. You look good? Wait, did not have to point in me. You look good. I got that Ralph on now. Hold on. Do look good.

Oh, okay. Yeah, salute because you look good. Thank you. Thank you. All right, Donovan. Sarcastic. You look good. That's how they're so disrespectful.

Perfect. It's sarcastic. Then it worked. All right. Last one. You ate with that one. Okay, Calvin, we'll go first. I'm going first?

Yeah, okay. Supportive. You ate with that one. Okay. Okay, you do that all. You did the fingers. No, I'm out. Petty.

Petty, you ate with that one. Is that to your breath? Yeah, this is, this is tough. How do I sound petty? Yeah, yeah, yeah, you ate with that one. Yeah. you lay a little one yeah yeah yeah whatever yeah you look my my worst sorry I think that's more sorry I guess you ate or whatever yeah you ate yeah that's a good

better I've never said this answer today my fucking life how would Drake say this you gotta sing it horribly how would he say this one Drake yeah what I got to do the Drake yeah you're mad lights can you got to sing put that Toronto accent yeah is I got to do the I can't do this one. I don't even know. You ate with this one, Croy? Yeah. Oh, yeah, I can't even do this one.

For real, Crudy, you ate with that one. Oh, you ate with that one. That was kind of good. All right, and that is it for producer, I hope you guys enjoy it. I'll give you one. Okay. Drake.

Oh, oh. But this one? No, no. I'm going to give you another sentence, but you got to say it like Drake. Okay. Let's get the OVO guy in the room say it. Okay.

What should he say? I want you to say the ice man is no longer a nice man. The ice man is no longer an ice man, Grady. No longer a nice man. Oh. The ice man is no longer a nice man, crudy. Okay. I think that's what Drake wants to sound like.

That accent was a little too. Yeah, that was two on the line. Oh. Not bad. Not bad. Ice man. No ice, by the way. Just the wrist.

Take this wrist. Just skin. That's our Rice man. Nice. With that being said, that's the end of producer quarter. It is time for TikTok time. Let's have some fun.

Yes. Welcome to TikTok time. Today, per usual, we are going to begin with a draft. And it's only right. The inner episode where we celebrate the Knicks making the finals. We do an NBA finals. Draft so we're gonna spend the wheel like usual land a random team that we all to choose from The theme of today's episode is you have to draft a player that made the finals with that team

Perfect okay so the teams only made the finals once we're all picking from that one specific team if it's a Lakers have at it Fuck man okay Mo me Donovan is the draft order Let's spend this wheel who's our first team up today Team number one is hopefully it's not a team that never made the finals Deerlando magic Nice. Okay. Oh, you're up first.

Which team do you want? Which player do you want? I don't think Shaq ever made the finals of the match. Did he? Nope, never. Yeah. So I used to give me Shaq. Couple time DPO-Y.

One of the better sentence for his generation. You just say he never made the finals? Who? Shaq. As of Shaq never made the finals. Then you said, yeah, he didn't. I know. So give me Dwight.

Oh, give you Dwight? Yeah. Okay. You said give me Shaq. Oh, I'm going to say give me Dwight. Okay. Dwight Howard. I'm going to say,

So the White Howard is your pick? Yeah. Great. It's written down. Give me Shaq, et cetera. He did make the finals. Wow. I asked a legit question.

I was going to look it up. But I was like, never mind. You got to know what memory. I thought you was trolling. Me too. I was dead ass. He didn't know what was happening. I was dead ass.

Gimicks over, man. Gimicks over. He lost the game in the finals. That's tough. Mega tough. He's staring at your soul. Yeah well that can

kicked in again This is by far One of the dumbest things What's funny is you did say Shaq for a second And he would have stuck with it Not correct, You did accidentally say the right thing Oh man

Fury And Donovan just watched it go down Didn't intervene He's a grown man I can't hope him ever I just need to see what was going to happen. So, Donovan, where you're going to do with your pick? Good Lord, man.

I should go penny here. But I kind of loki want to maybe just take like a shooter just because I don't know what the rest of these teams are going to be like. No, I'm taking Penny. Yeah, I'll take Penny Hardaway at point guard. Fair pick. You started out with Shaq, bro. I can't believe it.

Let's re-spin. Team number two. Boston Celtics. Thank goodness. The world is our oyster. Where are you going? You go literally wherever you want. I know.

This is how I. Yeah. I think I'm either between Larry or Bill Russell. and I'm going Larry Bird Damn it I was hoping I got that space in Michelle You could not let him slide it off Yeah I'm going Larry Brad

I will make a crazy big man combination Give me Kevin Garnett at Power Ford Damn Damn damn damn damn That big to big passing was crazy Yeah Okay give me more versatility I guess

I'm scared No is here to save the day Give me zero Okay Jason today about your small Ford Yeah I'm scared Don't be You don't be serious.

Man, I wish we would have gotten like the, I hope the really, really good teams come at the end. So that way it's like, you have to make a decision. Yeah. All right. Team number three. Man. He was going to say Antoine Walker. God, no.

Memphis Grizzlies. Have they made the finals before? They never made it. Yeah. So we can't. You got to re-spin it. Four teams who, or five teams that never made the finals. All right.

Respin. Re-spin. Yeah, that's so sad. Tough. Denver Nuggets. Wow. Yonkers never. made the finals, ma'am.

Keep on telling me stuff. I'll believe anything at this point, five. I believe anything. Yeah. Okay. I'm going to make it work. I'll move Dwight to my four. I'm putting fucking,

I'm definitely putting Yockech on my five. Yep. That's tough. All right. Then is 2023 the only one they ever made? I don't know. To Alex English? the finals? No. I don't know for sure. And I'm not going to fact jacket. Give me Jamal Murray a point

guard. Okay. All right. Here we go. Also, yeah, 23 is the only one. Oh, he's the only one. Yeah. Okay. Um, I need to do it all forward. Give me Aaron Gordon at my four. Eric Gordon, Larry Bird is kind of a filthy combination. That's nice. That's kind of nasty. Larry Bird Bird 610. How do you physically keep up with that? Penny Hardaway 6.9. This is a big team right now. It's a gigantic team. The Tatum of Howard Yoke is. They're huge teams. Team number four is the Minnesota Timberwolves. They've also never made it.

Re-spin again. We keep getting these teams that have no success. Detroit Pistons. Once again, many options. Wow. Where do you go with this? You can go a lot of places. You got Penny Bird and Gordon.

You have your picket the litter at Big Men to pair with them. I know. Not a lot of shooters. So I don't have a big. I feel like a Benwaters. Wallace is I think I think Wallis and Gordon defensively Ben Wallace is he's certainly in play right here

brutalizers Jesus yeah I think I think Ben Wallace is in play and Gordon does this version of Aaron Gordon can he shoot yeah 2023 all right he didn't start shooting 40% like he had the following year but you can shoot okay all right that's fair uh so it's either Ben Wallace or we're taking Joe Dumas that's a lot of defense in the wing at the at the two

yeah and we just say hey Larry Burr go go win these games. Joe Dumas can score a little bit. Actually, I do want to shoot. Give me Rip Hamilton at the two. Okay. We have somebody who can run around motion shooter. Rip.

Then I will put Jamal Murray at shooting guard and put Isaiah Thomas at point guard. Yeah, you're cooking. That's crazy. You heard of cooking. Yeah, my God. You could have had a thing of Thomas. With petty, it's kind of an awkward fit. No, I mean, you have length.

So it's like. did it he could have did if he wanted to that if anything i probably would have went i would have went dumars i think over over i say just because pennies is just a weird fit yeah i'm oh how are you gonna round it out you have two big men give me a og floor general give me chauncey billups that's not a bad pick yeah not at all chansea yorkers being the pastors yeah you can find a way to say howdom howard okay not bad taty been a corner sitter i need an absolute flame throw my two oh yeah tatam being a corner sitter grabbed Dwight some water. Relax.

I should have got Ben Wallace. I'm looking at these big lineups. It's just crazy. Maybe he's too small. Maybe you want someone taller with those two twin towers you got. Golden State Warriors' last team. We're all up.

Oh, man. Where do you want to go? You can go wherever you want. I know. And I want to go Curry, but I will not. Really? Because I want Kevin Durant on my team. I want to be supersized.

And I got a sniper on my team. who plays defense as well. I want the biggest team ever. You can have whoever you want. Me and Donovan both are equipped for KSTEP Curry. Yes. Do I put, I have two big. I just go three guard lineup, put Jamalorey to three.

And Jamalore at your three, your team is fried on the wing. But if I got Shaq and Kagee, we can make your work. Like the Spurs for three guards. Mom might have just clutched up. Yes, I did. Yoke, it's. You look, he might be better off of Curry. Actually, no, Bill's not as a shooting guard.

Maybe not. No, I'm cool, man. But Curry with Dwight and Yokech? Holy shit. Yeah, man. That'd have been nuts. I got KD. Yeah, it can't be bad to do it.

He's going to get wilt. I don't want him to get willed. But I can't put KG at the 30s. Just get wilt. Fuck it. You can. Oh, I can't. I can't pick Clay over Curry.

I guess I'm putting Jamal Murray at the three. Step Curry and shooting guard. Ooh. You know what? With double bigs, so be it. So be it. So be it. I got to do it.

KG double big. No, I said Curry. Oh, my. No, don't fuck me. Where are we going with this? That looks great I should have went I should know

Could you pick stuff It doesn't matter I'm going to work here Yeah Okay And so listen Larry Bird and Will I'm with that

My team is the least sense I have no perimeter defenders Really Let me say Thomas Is a good point guard defender But no wing defenders Yeah But I do have Shaq and Curry

You do That goes a long way And KG That goes a long way KG just running around Being chaotic Yeah It's just that my team really hinges on.

Can Jermal Marie be my wingstopper against Jason Tatum and Larry Bird? Ooh, you got a fry. So KG's defending Larry Bird. So against Jason Tatum and Rip Hamilton or Gordon. You're switching out. He got to guard KD. I can beat Donovan. Moe decides it's going to be a little tough.

Yeah, you're hooked. I'm cooked. I don't know. Burr Gordon, Will is also filthy. It is, but that's pretty nasty. It's pretty nasty. Yeah, Yolkich. Just passing off all these types of having dump bosses,

Dwight Howard. athletic freak and then Tatum and KD was doing Swiss Army knife stuff if Chalci Billis was a little bit more of a score your team would be unstoppable and I would say if you had Isaiah Thomas your team would be unstoppable. I think it already is a KD

with KD. Yeah it's already incredible but you would have won with by a landslide if Billis was a little bit better. Yeah I'm not worried now let us know who you think won and Mo win despite the I think I literally came back not even 3rd. This is like 0-3

come back. That's an 0-3 coming back despite the fuck up of Dwight and Shack. You came back on. I made NBA history. Look at that. Next thing we are going to do, we are going to double up today with a second draft of sorts. We're giving you guys two and one episode, but this is a little different. It's not a normal little draft

like that. We are going to do an NBA Jeopardy style draft. We are going to build teams with our trivia knowledge. Beesoles has a board here. Four categories. Beef, statistics, fashion, and NBA draft. There's five levels like a jeopardy board. We have to take turns. deciding which one we want to go for, level one through five.

Obviously, it gets more difficult with every level, but also you get a better player to draft your lineup if you get that question right. If you get the question wrong, there is a built-in player that will be revealed. You get a random player that B-Soul chose in each category with the wrong answer. The other side of America listening to this,

they're like, beef. I'm talking about beef on a show. Brim bread? Snake. Food category? So yeah, that's how it works. Bamb beef. Bamb beef.

So the more NBA trivia you know, the better team you can get. Okay. Donovan, you go first. We'll snake it. Donovan, Mo, me. Which category you want to go with first? Let's go, let's go beef level five. Oh, damn, you should never do. Swinging for the top first. Beef level five.

Yes. Okay. First question. Everyone knows MJ punched Steve Kerr during practice, but Jordan also punched a different Bulls teammate in a separate practice incident. Name him. I even know that. He probably knows this one. Donovan as the register. I'm mad because I know who it is, but I'm forgetting his name right now.

Damn. If you go up and down that, the Bulls 90s roster. He was just punching folks. What the fuck? Two guys who you hit? Oh my God. Terrible teammate.

Oh my goodness. To get Michael Jordan. You start your team with the goat. To get Michael Jordan. That's his make or break. Honestly, guns to your head. If he's looking at Jordan, he has to get some crappy.

player because he doesn't know this. You don't get a stinker if you don't get this. I know. Ooh, he's going to take your team. What a way to start the draft. I don't think he knows. Um, okay, so you punch Steve Kurt. Um, there was another guy on, on the 90s bulls that was like, his whipping boy. I'm a say, he's whipping boy. I don't know. This one name. We're going to say burl. What? Burl. His, B-U-R-R-R-E-O. Burl. Is your follow. Burl. Burl. Okay No

No It's not Burl It is Will Perdue Oh yeah Did we just talk What we did we just talk about

Will Purdue A couple months ago For some reason I thought about Luke Long Him too Damn Will Purdue you are wrong Who the fuck is Burl

I don't know Who's his player Donovan You are getting Patrick Beverly Not a horrible You can win With that

We can still win Yeah Patrick Beverly he's not a terrible team to get right now. Like that's really not too bad. Okay. What are you putting on? At the point,

I'm at the point, guy. Small Ford. Okay. Listen, I have Janus defending people at my one, so it's okay. Come on. All right, what category are you want? Okay. Give me NBA draft level.

So do level three or level four. Go five. Swim for defenses. Give me three. Okay. Okay. NBA draft level three, you are getting. Jason Tatum.

If you answer the question right. If you get the question right. And the question is, name the five draft picks selected immediately after Jason Tatum in the 2017 NBA draft. Like immediately. He was number three in that class. Is that four through eight or nine? Yeah. Four through nine.

Four through eight. Okay. I don't remember the order exactly, but I know it's Deerrin Fox. He was like number four or five. Yeah, you don't got a name in order. Yeah. Josh Jackson. How many have to name?

five five fuck larry marketing um d'herr false who is so much d'allard marketing damn who is the fourth guy there's two more you have left yeah uh do we have a tire yeah like you know yeah i might be cucked i know those three off the bat who else was

no no more guy. You're cooked. Be told you got to do the timer. You got to tell them how much time left. Yeah, I just got those three.

10 seconds left. I ain't going to lie. Yeah, I'm cooks. Nine. Eight. I just forgot. Damn.

This is supposed to be my bag. Five. He's not going to get it. That wasn't a good player. He's going to get Isaac Banga. Oh my God. I'll be so mad if I got Bonga. All right, Mo.

You missed out on Jonathan Isaac and Frank Milakina. Oh, I should have got that. I just talked about. You just. And the player you get is Andrea Bariani. I can't win with that. Oh, you're cooked. I can't win with that.

Can't win. You can't win with that. Fuck. I'm so mad. But keep in mind, we might all get a player we can't win with. So you're not cooked yet. Want to put them at the four or five? Put them at the four.

Bariani. Shout to my Italians, man. Shout out to your Italians. Salute. Salute. All right. Isaac. Oh, I feel like statistics is going to be.

very difficult category. Give me statistics for four. All right. Statistics for four. You are getting Nicole Yolkich. Oh. Yes. Where does Nicole Yolkich currently rank all time in triple doubles? I don't know.

I know Russ is one. He has a six or seven year run now being great getting triple doubles. I'm going to assume LeBron is two with longevity. Three. Nicole Yokish is probably third all time in triple doubles. He has to be top five already. I'll say number three. Okay.

There's a blind guess. I think that's right. You are? Wrong. He is second all the time already. He passed wrong. He happens to Tritoba again for the second season. I shouldn't know.

He's actually really close to Russ already. Really? That's great. It's hard to know how much longevity weighs into these things. Yeah. You are getting. Ricky Davis. I can win with that.

That's not a horrible wing. Okay. He's athletic. Yeah. Ricky Davis is in a couple years. He has a decent player. Who am I too? Had a moment.

I got the worst player here. Yeah. Live at Ricky Davis. Okay. You got that. You got Bart Johnny. First team. All right.

It's on you again. Oh, it's me a snake now. Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay. Give me fashion for level five. Fashion. Okay. There we go.

Okay. Level five, you are getting. You're a guy. SGA, if you get this right. At what event did SGA debut the SGA won signature shoe? That would have vent? Yes. What about you supposed to know that?

I know. Come on, man He had to be there, no NBA finals, but I don't think he'd call that an event, so I don't think is that. I know he debuted Colorways last year, but I think the shoes already out.

I will have to say the Met Gala. What the fuck? It is... I guess I'll check out. Not the Meggala. It is a 2025 NBA All-Star game. We're not getting anything right.

Team. The Meggala happens during the playoffs. Oh, it does. Damn. I was thinking it was like February. And you are getting Kyle Kuzman. Again, decent player for a stretch.

Give me Kuzma. I'm okay with this. But Ricky Davis and Kuzma together. I know. That's a killer. You're right. Damn it. Okay.

Okay. We've got a single question. Nobody gets anything right. That'll be so funny. Let me pick a lower level. Let's get a lay up on the board. Your turn, Mo. All right.

Give me level two draft. Level two draft. I used to run this draft versions. We got to take a draft way from it. I know my strength. See, nothing. Okay. The player is Jelan Brunson.

Jalen Brunson has played alongside four players drafted ahead of him in the 2018 NBA draft. Name them. Four players. Yes. Okay. In the 2018 draft he's played with, okay. Yes. That's not best.

This is doable. Yeah. So, McAll Bridges, Dante Divencchino. Then there's Luca. Yep. One more. One more. And then there's one more player you played alongside.

This one's the sneaky one. I will say. In the 2018 draft. So they're either on the Mazz or the next, but I don't think any other. Oh, Landry Shammett. Hell yeah. Yes. He was drafted ahead of Brunson?

Yes. Correct. That's correct. Yes. He got J.B. Where was Shammond drafted again? Late first? He was the early second.

I think it was like a mid to late. Mid. He was like a late lottery pick or mid. You got J. Lebron? Okay. I got Brunson. Oh, wait, I got Brunson?

Yeah. Brunton and Bariani? Okay. What a combination. Double Vs. There you go. August, the first question right. Finally.

Let's go. Let's go. Fashion level three. Fashion level three. All right. This is four. Jimmy Butler. What brand was Jimmy Butler reping at the 2026 Meggala?

I didn't even know. He's not the Meggalo just now. Fuck. This is tough. Allo? You are. That's a good guess. He does aloe stuff.

Correct. It is aloe. That was a good guess. He's an ambassador. Oh my gosh. That's crazy. Did you know that? Was that just a good guess because he works with him?

A little bit of bull. Yeah. Tough. You're putting him at the... We'll put Jimmy at the three right now. Okay. Pat and Jimmy. Clamps.

Clamps. How would you build on this? Where you get another good player? Insane locker. Let's go beef level four. Beef level four. Ooh. Okay, this is for Chris Paul.

Name all the player suspended during his brawl versus the Lakers in 2018 and the number of games. And the number of games? That's nuts. I hate these two-part questions, man. Just going to give him wrong. You're always, man. Go ahead and saw this. They're always, man.

All right. So Chris Paul, Rondo, Brendan Ingram. Is that it, though? I'll throw you a bone here That is it You just get the Nah I thought

Don't them bones Um Man All right We ain't a bones Chris Paul He used to have juices man So okay

Chris Paul Rondo Brandon Ingram Did you possibly know the games now Yeah So I threw him a bone Somebody

I think somebody was suspended for two games I'm gonna say I'm gonna say Chris Paul was suspended for two games I'm gonna say

Rondo threw a punch So I'm gonna say Rondo was suspended for Four games And I think Brandon wasn't even Involved in it So I'm gonna say seven I have no idea if this is right Brandon, I'm seven

I don't know why he said that but he said it He wasn't even involved You said seven games Well he was involved He did get suspended You did get the numbers wrong Rondo was suspended for three games CP3 was two which you got right

and then Brandon Ingram was four games. Ingram threw points. Why you say Ingram was not involved in seven? Was that a mis-speak? I think it had to be, yeah. It had to be. You don't think he like. No, because it wasn't like,

the initial fight wasn't between Ingram. And like he came out of nowhere and then got, and they got involved. That's what I'm saying. Gotcha. Okay. So like he was the real, real wild. I got the scale right.

I didn't get the numbers. I have no idea how many games he was. So who's his player? Level four, man. Donovan, you get Kwamey, Bratman. No! Okay. Damn.

We have one right answer so far. We're stinking it up. Just getting it. Pat and Kwame? With Jimmy. Honestly, this is where Jimmy thrives. Put him around. Prime Jimmy.

If I get two, if I get the next two questions right, I can do something. All right. Back to Mo. Okay. Give me statistics level three. All right. Statistics level three. This is four.

Paul Pierce Oh, fuck. Paul Pierce played 19 seasons in the NBA. How many of those seasons did he play in exactly 80 plus games?

I have no fucking clue. This is a typo, exactly 82 games. Oh, 82 games. In exactly 82 games. I don't remember him ever having like some, he never had no tragic injury at all.

Uh, 19 seasons. I hate to inform you. He might have had the most tragic injury. He was stabbed. You know, 11 times. I'm on the court. It was tragic as hell.

I'm going to say you played 82 games. Just a guess. I don't know. I don't know. 13 seasons? 13 seasons? Yeah, I don't know. It's a huge number.

You have no clue. How many seasons? Am I way off? He played 19. He played two or three. I'm going to say one. Knaz was not moving on the floor like that. I would say one time.

I think it's the year after he got stabbed up. Really? 13 is a crazy kid. I have no idea. You're wrong. It is three. He had a bunch of seasons playing 80 plus games, but 82 specifically is only three. He's a durable guy.

Damn. Yeah. You would know about that record. That would be iconic to have 13 seasons like that. Fuck. I'm a 19. Yeah, you're right. He's Calvin Jr.

I was way off. I started a backboard. Mo, you are getting. Michael Carter Williams These thieves suck Okay put him at my two I don't need him I stand in that corner

You do meet him No he's standing in the corner Brunson and Bariani Two man game Nick Gordon thrown up bricks So these teams Fuck I have no good players yet

We shall have somebody Alright Level one fashion All right Got a new strategy here Give me somebody good Get a lay up Give me someone decent

Level one is deep bitch The player is Donovan Mitchell. In Donovan Mitchell's first skims campaign, he told Complex his favorite product was the stretch 5 inch boxer brief. What was the specific colorway name? I want you hit with a car. How is the level one? How's level one? For underwear?

It's actually very easy. How could it be easy? Okay. You just don't. You either know this or you don't. I've never seen his interview about skims and complex. How was that level one? Let's just say

You will laugh when you hear the answer Okay Because it is very very related to Donovan It's Coco is the color I guess You are correct Yeah I was thinking that I knew it was brown

So I was like I guess that's the fun Coco Jones There you go There you go Come on man Yeah Deavitch I was thinking

You're some kind of brown Some kind of cocoa chocolate Or like blush But I was like What do you have said blush is his favorite Because all the skim stuff Is makeup colors Okay

Good snipe Good snipe It's a ridiculous question That's insane All right NBA draft level one Okay NBA draft level one

That's what you want to Name every player from Saffan Castle's draft Who has a higher career average Points per game than him A higher career average Points per game than him Yes

And I'm not letting know His average right Like I don't know Is it honestly If you want to look up Just as average No, no, no. I can't do that.

Okay. Yeah, I feel like if you were going to tell me, you should have told me the question. But he didn't. So this is a hard ass level one again. I have no idea. I'm guessing his average is like 12? Is that right? Like around 12 probably?

Maybe a little bit lower. Rishish is not going to be higher than him. Reed Shepard's damn sure not going to be higher than him. Alex Sarr is going to be higher than him? He plays a lot of minutes on a garbage team. That's a good haulout. Oh, I don't know. He doesn't score.

like that but okay i'm gonna say sar's probably higher than him just because of usage he had a great sake year too yeah and his first year he like he had more opportunities than castle did because he wasn't playing at wemby yeah well when he missed a lot of time and castle had a lot of uses this year is it true question is nobody i don't know because edie didn't play a lot of games this year so he was scoring well but i don't think that was enough to supplement it because it was only like 12 games i either gonna say saar only or nobody or is buzella's higher than him It's a good call out too. This is so tough.

Yeah. Wait, Kishon George's in his class. He got usage. Yeah, he averaged like 23 games. This is a tough question. I'm going to say, I don't know. I'm going to say it's a true question. That's why level one to answer is zero players.

You are. Correct. Okay, there you go. Come on, man. I was like, it can't be level one if it's hard. So it's got to be zero. I trust all NBA knowledge. Okay.

That was just logic. That wasn't even NBA knowledge. But Davis at the three and put Castle to two. Okay. Okay, rebound That's a little decent team so far Besides Cal Cousman Davis Being a terrible wing combo

You got no playmaking I need a big What if I draw a point guard The next category? I know Fuck Okay, Mo Okay

Give me beef level one Okay Some simple Beef level one You're gonna get a good player I hope so I need them This is for Rondo

That's a level one player that makes sense. Mark Cuban said Rondo quit on the Mavs during his short stint there. Name one of the three players they traded to get him. I just won? Just one. Come on, you got this? I do not remember that trade. The only players so I can

like somewhat think of who like were on similar teams around this era. I can only think of literally one. And then maybe I can think of like another random center but I don't know. Was Jake Crowder a part of it?

want to lock that in yeah he was okay the other two were Brandon Wright and Jemir Nelson okay center Brandon Wright I remembered him

yeah yeah yeah you get Rondo okay so I'll put Rondo at my one and switch that out MCW at the 3 I got no spacing shots of Bariani it's my modern day cat

Rhonda Brunson MCW that's too plunky that's crazy So keep in mind Oh actually we're supposed to have A six man on here to make up more categories

So we'll have that It's not on the category We've got to put it on there Okay Okay Because otherwise there's way more Okay, that's breathing room So keep mind

You have a six man to help you All right All right All right All right Let's fill out the start of five Let's go That shit was hard as fuck man

Let's go stats level one That's level one He knows the meta He knows the strats Get good players This is for JJ Redick How many total three porn is a JJ Reddick make in his career.

You can be within 100. Over under. Okay, no, that's stupid thing. Is it over under 100? Is it a line? Or are you saying he has 100 margin for error? 100 margin for error. Okay, okay. Because I thought this was saying over under 100.

I was like, what the fuck? That's ridiculous. If he gets under what it is, he's fine over what it is. Okay, cool. Do you want the exact number? Well, over under 100. You have a range.

Yeah, you have a range. You have too much of what it is. You have a margin of error of 200, realistically. Yeah, bro. Ask me about some skims so I can get bigger. Was that easier than this? Yes. Did you know that before?

I knew it was some type of brown. Yeah. Oh, you know, I actually remember the picture. He was with Brown. Yeah, you got a stapled in your head. You're disgusting. But I don't know the exact number of JJ Reddick three's in his career. Because I don't, I forget what steps at.

I think the record was at like 27 or 28. I'm going to say 20, probably over 2000. I'm going to say 2153. 2153. I don't think that's a bad guess with a margin of error of 100. That's not a bad guess. It is not a bad guess. It is wrong, though.

The answer's 1950. Damn. You were close. Not bad. Not bad. You were right to know. It was going to be around 2000. Yeah.

You're right. Okay. See guess. Who do I? you get J.R. Giddens. Put his ass on the bench. I don't even know who that is. Put him on the bench.

Six man. J.R. Giddens. Oh, bad. Okay. I want to see him. Let's run it back.

Beef level two. Jesus. Okay. Okay. Beef level two. This is for Ron Artest. Mm. Before the malice at the palace,

Ron Artesse asked the Pacers for time off in the middle of the season to promote a non-basketball side project. What was it? What? I didn't even know about this. What? I don't know. Y'all are overthinking this. I mean, I have an assumption.

Yeah, I have one guess on. But what was? You got to be specific. And I don't know the specifics of it. He was recording an album. I'm gonna give it. You are correct. That's what I've listened to.

It is a rap album. Yeah, that makes sense. There we go. Thank you. Good assumption. You got Ron Artisan on team now. Okay. Okay.

Yeah, put Ron at the four. Oh, the four. Nice. Just straight brutalizes on your team. And J.R. Giddings is a six man. Yeah. J.R. getting six men. Yeah, we're running.

Everybody's spent 48 minutes. Tom Tibedal. He's not on my screen. He's not on my rotation. Give me draft level four. All right. Draft level four. This is for Kobe.

Okay. Name four players from Kobe's 1996 draft class who has higher career rebounds per game average. fucking clue. Rebalance for games. Yo, yo. It's such a lost.

I'm not getting this. Go ahead and put wrong. I'm not even going to try. I have zero clue. Kevin Grades in his class, right? No. No? I think Kij's the year after.

Is Dirk in this class? No. No, I don't know who's in this class. Yeah. Go ahead. Just press wrong. Wait. Listen, man.

For modern only. Okay, well, these are the names. You probably could have got some. with him. Camby. Antoine Walker, Sharif, Big Z.

I think I knew Jermaine O'Neill. That's the only one I would have known. I forgot Camby's the same class. Antoine Walker. Yeah, I wouldn't want to remember

like Edauscus. That's it. All right. This is Johnny Flynn. Six men. Yeah. Solid six men.

I'm bored. All right. Let's do it. Yeah. You don't need to put a 5. Fuck, I'm going to have Kobe,

man. At my three. Oh, well. All right. My turn. You'd be coming able to play four. I'm the last two I need a big

I can bench one of my wings do I be safe or go for a star these level five questions been tough man I know give me fashion level two all right

fashion I've got fashion wrong every time actually know I got Donald Mitchell fashion level two come on in his GQ video

10 things cat can't live without he brings up a teddy bear named after one of his favorite rappers who is the rapper I'm not gonna lie you should put hands on her

who's his favorite rapper what the fuck first of all what the fuck's got to do with fashion GQ I guess okay again I see the connection I listen no I don't this is not a video about fashion this is about a teddy bear

I will condone it if I go over there and I strangle him yeah he's about 14 feet away I can see him it's okay I got nothing throwable in my direction

all right who's cat's favorite rapper where do I go with this he where'd he grow up I don't even know Jersey he grew up in Jersey fucking Joe Bud he grew up in the air like drake could be his favorite rapper that wouldn't surprise me

he's in high school in 2014 he feels like a j cole type of guy to me but would he name a teddy bear cole maybe maybe maybe I don't think he named a teddy bear a Drake but you might I don't think he did but like it's possible

he didn't name it think about his personality type it could be jZ is he a type to like get into stuff a little bit before his time maybe maybe high school 2013 that's not it's not crazy yeah

magna carda came out maybe he remembers some albums when he was younger it's either jZ or cole my only guesses j cole go with my gut you are incorrect oh my god I hate you it is mac miller

oh okay see yeah I was nowhere close to that I was never gonna get that who's one of my six man Alfred Payton There you go Six right Offer Payton All right you know what

That's actually not bad I'll live I'm actually having Low keys He could do some stuff I've gotten some decent Secondary players From the failures

Yeah He had a year Where he was shooting threes For the sons The risk to reward On a lot of these Picks It's not there

All right One last I need a center I should wish I got cat If I get a guard I almost have to get it Wrong to get a center Give me beef level three

Beef level three. I'll go beef level three. Draft level five scares me. I know. Dath level five is terrified. I'm so sorry. This is for Draymond Green.

Okay, small ball center. I can live. In what month did TMZ drop the video of Draymond Green punching Jordan Pool? Oh, it was a summer. He's got to get the month. It was a summer. Dead of the offseason probably.

When did he got, did Jordan Pool get traded at a normal time, though? When did Jordan Pool get traded? you tell me man drum jrumpel had to go and trade in july and this happened before I don't think jrnpo got traded

in like august did he maybe he did that was a cp3 thing because hmm the wizards got cp3 and then routed him later that summer to the warriors right

they either dropped this in june or july I guess i gotta say july they dropped the video in july you are is it august fuck it's august incorrect there's no answer it's oh yeah it's October oh it's October yeah it was it was a training camp video yeah oh I thought it was a old I know it was a training camp video I thought

it was old it came out when it happened oh Jordan pulled I traded in October because they flipped CP3 at the deadline didn't they I don't remember I had Jordan pulled in play again after this video for the for the warriors right 20 no I don't think I don't think so I don't remember I don't you're right it did happen beginning of the season fuck I should have known that. I'm looking at right now. October 7th,

2020. Okay. Who do I get? Who's my last player? You get. Javaris Christensen. Yo, who the fuck is that?

Are these guys? Who is that? Yo, I wouldn't be surprised he was an NBA player. There's no way to say. Who is that? What?

Javars. I've never seen that name. He's related to Gil. Let's just say that. He's related to Gil? Okay, yeah. He had a two-year NBA career. Did he play with Mafa in college?

Is that from that team? I don't know what that is. You don't know my mouth for? No. You don't know about it? Oh, oh. The mouth of this day. You know what?

You go walk away with something. I respect it. It's all on your face. I respect it. Okay. You slapped this shit out of you with it. Okay. Oh, my God.

He's going to walk away with something, man. He just said a chance. By the time he saw it come, it was too late. Damn. Fares? You know what? Fares, man. Salute.

Salute, man. He's going to make something out of another. Oh, no, bro. That should be happening. I feel like, like Dilla Harper in the back. Oh, that's cool. Oh, nice.

Who's a Shabaris, fellow? sick who's in the gill incident man in the gill incident with the guns oh okay i was like which one is he a big man he's a guard fuck kow kuz's my center yes hell yeah brother actually know what alfred paedon's my uh sick my small ford turtian is my Stinky Stanky, stinky, stinky Stanky, stinky. Ew.

How 15 in your smile? No, no, it's Kik, who's about it say? I'm putting Javaris on the bench, bro. All right. All right. All right, the bar is like

Madlow. I could say fuck it. You just say draft level five. Do it. Swampers. I just want to build a workable, playable team right now. Give me stats level two.

Level two, please. Stats level two. This is for DeJante Murray. DeJante Murray made the all-star team in 2022. What was his average PRA over under? It's supposed to say two. The margin is two. Okay.

I'm about to say 20. Yeah, 20. Points, rebounds, and assists. Combined. Combined. Combined. So I know for sure he was like a 20 point score. He never had like 25 or anything like that.

I think it was like 21, 22. Probably average somewhere like eight assists game, put you at 30. I'm gonna say, I put you at 28. But what are you can do? 21 points. Say it in? Are you in 20 or 21 points? Doing like 22 points.

Oh, 22 points. Okay. Yeah. I'll say like 22 points. I'm gonna be off for some of the numbers, but as long as you get the total number, fine, it'll be right. Yeah. Say like eight assists a game, put you at like 30.

rebounds I think I would be like 5 or 6 I'm say 5 I'm say 35 margin of 2 margin of 2 so it's 33 to 37 you're correct

Mo you are incorrect it is 38.6 more rebounds than that he was getting close yeah he was getting like 7 8 yeah 7 8 yeah yeah oh sick damn so who do I get

bro the player you get is can I release Hashim the B You know, I need a big. This is perfect. I need somebody who's just big. That's it. That's also not terrible.

I actually know it is. You have him and Bariani. Bariani's good. Who's on the bench for him? Some random. I don't know. I don't even know his name anymore, right? I think it's J.R. Giddons.

No, Darvind's Giddons. Oh, who'd you put on the bench? I forgot. He's just one of them random dudes. He's like your territory. It's Darvis. No one knows him. How'd you pull out of Jarvis guy?

All right. I think this is the last question. Yep, Donovan. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Can I see my team again real quick? What difference is right?

You need a two. Hat Bev. Jimmy Artes, Kualem. Okay, so. Giddins on the bench. Giddons on the bench. He needs some type of buckets, man. Stats level five.

Okay. Stats level five. Bold. That's a scary category. LeBron James. LeBron holds the record. This can make my team. This can make you win this whole game.

This can make my team. LeBron holds the record for most consecutive games scoring 10 plus points. What is that record? Margin of 50. Margin of 50. Okay. Okay, so LeBron has played 20-some years. Yeah, so we'll say 20 years.

We'll just get a round average of like 60. It's going to be 1,200 games. I think the thing was that. 12.08 whenever you passed them. So we're going to go 1,238. 1,238? Yes.

Doing mental math by the margin? Wow. Hold on. Are you doing math? Okay. Ain't wrong with it. You said 1,238? Yes.

You must be close. Damn. You got to calculate it. Oh, my God. What? You were off by nine. It was 1297. The logic was there.

W process, just, ah. So close. Oh, fuck. Who did I got? Could have had the goat, man. Anthony Bennett. Oh, fuck. The opposite of LeBron.

In every way possible. Fuck. Oh, man. Damn it all, man. He just took six shots of the chest. Damn. Damn, damn, damn. These are the teams.

These are our teams. Donald Mitchell, Stefan Castle, Alfred Payton, Ricky Davis, Kyle Kuzma. I got Rondo, Brunson, Michael Carter Williams. 21 point per game score on Jerry Barnardt. Nice. Ashem to beat. Pat Bev.

J.R. Giddens. Jimmy Butler, Rod Artis, Kwame Brown, and Anthony Bennett coming off the beach. So we all got two questions right at six. All right. The other two questions, what are they? The other two questions. I have two questions right.

One was about skims. Fashion level four was the company Westbrook founded. Why not? This, no. That's his foundation, Bono. It's honor the gift. Okay. Man, I don't know that shit.

And then you would have got Amman Chumper, if you got that wrong. I could have rock with that. Jump at my two? So much better than. then Benet. Yeah. And then NBA draft level five was for Shaq. How many Hall of Famers were selected in Shaq's 1999 two?

Yeah, I won't go get that. Fucker final. Yeah, I'll run it was just two. It was Shaq and Alonzo morning. And if you got that wrong, you would have got Adam Morrison. Who, thank God. Ooh. I would have loved Adam Morrison compared to Kyle Kuzman Center.

Fuck, man. Okay. Well, let us know who won this draft. Be so you think won. Who is the best team? I'm going to be honest. I think me and you go. one band for band.

It's just like, just based off of like roster construction, like stability, probably Mo. No, it's Donovan easy. Donovan's Jimmy Butler, Ron Artec and Pat Bev. He's three good players. No, I got three good players too. I'm going at you guys.

I got Rondo, Brunson, and Bariani. You have Boniani and the beat, bro. Yeah, Bargiani was a good player, though. Any couple years. You got Benin. Average 17, 20 points. Ronor Tess is clamping him. What do you mean?

Yeah, until you see my big Hashim the beat ready to fucking beat yo at hey has shoot the beat and Kwame Brown are just boxing yeah I think Artes can defend Mariani obviously Jimmy Butler is locking up Brunson and Pat Bev Bev can easily deal with Rondo Jimmy Bullers not walking up Brunson yes

Pat and Rondo are also boxing boxing oh yeah you're right that's fair so it's Jimmy Butler and Artes going ban for band for brunsling yeah Brunsley do he's in the finals for a reason and then Bennett and Michael Carter Williams are the Bariani's cat they're playing

patty cake they're probably not boxing what about Simone castle nobody thinks my team as a chance fuck I'm like Cougu at the five this curse you guys have bullshit bigs I have some small ball I can stretch well is one of the worst is Coos is what is the best five on the board yes I played 23 Cooswell when he was good hold on I can do some small ball looks Castle can play the four and defend up a little bit you're fooling you guys your big sucks so bad I might as well go small and get some kind of advantage

and that's not happening either way think it might loki. Either way, these teams are bad. My team is no sense, but low key, that might be something to do that. But you guys had actual stars, so I lose. I got a dimitch. Dang, I could have brown. You could have brown. Yeah. And it would have been it. Let us know who wanted to do one in the Shraf. Let us know in the comments.

Well, speaking of Jalen Brunson, next thing we're going to do today is Jalen Brunson related. We are going to put legendary small guards across NBA history into a tier list. The tiers are. short goat, short king, short and sweet, short inspiration. It's average, actually, and just short. All right. All right.

All right, let's start it off with Mugsy Bows. Mm. Got to be short inspiration, right? He dunged at 5'6. 5'6 is nuts. 5.6 and you had a pretty long NBA career? He's not 5'6. He's 5.3.

Oh, shit. Really? Yes, he is 5 3. I gave him some inches. and had he is 5-3 and had a career whenever anybody is in short you tell them hey if mugsy boats can do it you can't too

he's he's inspiration did you hear that growing up when you're hooping did you hear that growing up as a hooper of course did you believe him sometimes of course depending on the day but yeah obviously an inspiration to have that long of a career

you are kind of like the pinnacle of inspiring short kings I agree all right next friend that a show, Trey Young. Ah, Bose King. That's my short king, man. The short and sweet mean, you're good, but like just good. You're sweet.

Short and sweet means I feel like you had like a, when you're at your top, it was good, but it was really sore. You had a moment, right? He played peak basketball for a moment. Yeah, you had a short and sweet moment. That is Trey Young. But he is one of a short king, though, man. He's your short and sweet, though. His moment, 2021, 2021, 2022 and 223, what a moment.

23 is a bit of a stretch. I say the moment of 21. half of 22, we're there. And then they changed the rules and it was like, yeah, no more throwing yourself back on drives, oops. I think in 23, he went to the, I think he gave the Celtics like six games. He had him should.

And regularly he didn't do with the demon. That wasn't yet, I think one of his better offensive views. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, it's definitely short and sweet. But he's a lot of people, he's a lot of people. I don't know about that.

He's yours. You know, a short king, I guess so, but my first thing, yeah. I don't know you got to get the last word in it's nice about him, but I think everyone's kind of forgotten about him. All right. Next. Isaiah Thomas. Ooh. That's short and sweet for real.

That is definitely short and sweet run. But was the run so good when he was king of the fourth? Does he make him a short king? No. Because he had a style of play that was so inspiring, so fiery. To get all NBA votes at 5'8 is a league guard and the modern NBA, it's kind of some king shit. That's my second favorite Celtics season. That's some king shit.

No, he's not a short goat because, you know, nothing like he's not like it's like, substantial to history. But for the moment to be one of the best players in the NBA for a season at 5 foot 8. That's what I'm saying. It's just that. It was just that season. Because then he gets straight.

It goes to Cleveland. He's hurt. And nothing is ever the shame. So that's why I do think it's probably short. But it was a magnitude of that moment so great. It could be king shit. And he's also, keep mind. There also is a short multiplier.

He's like four inches short of the trade. So it's that much more impressive. That's also. Making that much more of a short king. That is true. But he didn't have no playoff run for real either. They got to the conference finals. He wasn't there in the conference finals.

He got him there. He got in there. He got in there. I don't remember. He wants some playoff series and, again, was hitting big shot after big shot. If they had clutch player the year, he would have got it that year. Oh. Yeah, he would have run out with that.

Unanimous. He was scoring like nine points in the fourth quarter. I think Ford, the idea of a short king. That moment personifies being a short king. You know what? Let's lift him up. You know, he's 5758. Let's lift him up.

Let's lift him up. We didn't forget about you. We never will. All right. Next. Chris Paul. Short goat. Short goat.

Short goat. Yeah. This is what every short guard wants to be, right? Watch that tape. Yep. Hit those floaters, hit those mid-range fadeaways. All right. Next.

Nate Robinson. What do you do with that one? In terms of, like, the character being a short NBA player, he's also up there is one of the most iconic winning dunk contest at 5.05. One three in a row. That's why I think he's inspirational. Exactly. I agree.

If you are, if anybody who's like walks in. to the to the LA fitness is like you know what I'm gonna try dunk today if Nate Robertson can can do this I can do this too yeah that's that's what he's like known for and then also he had a couple moments with the Knicks and also with the Chicago Bulls too when Derek Rose was out and he gave a lot of Bulls fans hope for a quick second yeah he's he's an inspiration should should he actually be raised up to short and sweet then I think he's either inspiration or a short king because winning three dunk contest in a row is absolute king shit so it's either inspiration or a short

King, quick one. It's hilarious phrasing. I know. Absolutely. All right. Probably Short King. I think inspiration though. Three dunk contests in a row is crazy.

You right. Against Dwight. Against Dwight. Against Dwight. Giant Slayer. Because, okay. So we're talking about extracurriculars. It's just a dunk contest.

We're not talking about actual on the court. So I can understand inspiration. Him versus Spud Web. Like he had, he had a little bit more moments where he was like actually hooping. So that's why I think it might be okay if we put him at Short King and if Spoke Web is on this, then we put Spohue Web at inspirational. Because Spoke Web was short in the hit.

Spohue was 5-5. Or 5-6, whatever. Damn, I really don't know. I really don't know. Let's go Short King. Okay, Short King. When you have an accoling like that, a moment like that, come on. Okay.

All right, next. Jalen Brunson. Short goat. Is he a go already? Yeah. In the finals out. Tit the Knicks of the finals. time in 27 years. Is that goat shit?

Yeah. He led him to multiple like playoff runs at this point. He's a goat. He's a goat. He's a go. Yeah. Yeah. Three seasons in a row, he's been a playoff killer. Yeah, finally took the playoffs. Second round pick was not supposed to be this good. So, yeah. To have that much balance, to have that much footwork, that doesn't happen every day. That's a, that's a short goal. Is he like one of the 20 most skilled guards ever where you consider the size and the level of which he used that scoring? I will say 15.

Is he more skilled than Kyrie? All right. He's the convos. Because people have such a narrow version of what skill is, but the way he gets to his shot so consistently and so reliably, like he's got to be one of the more all-time skilled guards. Yeah, he's definitely up there. But I think like anytime you can lead your team,

when you lead your team to a finals at whatever statute you are, but people look at you and they say small guard, okay, you are, you're in that category. Yeah. I mean, I keep mind he's doing this with a 400-pound head. And that is so impressive. It makes him harder balance. You're right.

It makes it incredible. Yeah. All right. Next. Nate Tiny Archibald. Goat. His nickname is literally tiny archibald. He's goaded.

All the favor. Yeah. You're a short goat. You think he said your nickname is tiny. And also he was like light as well too. He wasn't heavy at all. Yeah, he was a tiny. He's a pioneer for being small in the NBA.

Yeah. Yeah, you kind of have to go goat. Do he weighed 150 pounds according to basketball reference? That's day. That's ridiculous. And he was out here averaging 34. Average in 34. Meanwhile, NBA players can pick him up and spit him like a pizza.

That's insane. Averging 34. He's getting bullied at that way. 150? Oh my God. That's nuts. That's crazy. Go.

I don't even remember the last time I was 150. I bet. I really don't. No, don't apologize. It's my truth. Yeah. It's my truth. Is your truth?

Is your life? You're getting. Thanks. J.J. Berea. Short irritants. It's average, actually. I think it might just actually be average.

It's a good size to me. He might just be short. He's probably just short. Yeah. But he had that moment. He would be just short, but he did punk LeBron. So it's average, actually. But I think...

It's not about how big you are. It's about what you do with it. But he was able to do with it. Elbride. It's average, actually. You want to get it. Natural linguistics. Badly.

I know. But if he is just short, then that makes his feet even bigger than if we say that he's average. Some of the really, but what you do with this? Just short. Yeah, just short. Okay. All right. G.

Okay. Okay. Okay. Next. Fred Van Fleet. Mm. It's average, actually. No, he's not average

Well, Fred's fine He had a moment after he had You know, he had his kid All of a sudden he turned into Chris Ball Sounds like a short and sweet moment How long are he short and sweet Because Trey Young was three years You know, it's not

That serious I don't know He won a championship off of the strength Of dad power That's a short and sweet moment If I ever heard one A ring was had because of it He did get around

And they made to all start the next year So they continued Dude. You know what? Then you got a bag the next year. You have to respect it. Honestly, it just sounds like it keeps going. This is him?

Yeah. Short King. Is this a short king? Undrafted as well? Undrafted. Ring, All-Star, Max, Contract. Short King. Short King.

He did it all. You hit the full journey of your career. Especially in this area too. Yeah. Salute. Salute. Next. And he's a good defender despite the size.

Short King. Patty Mills. It's actually, yeah. Rich. Yeah, it's a different size. Yeah. Yeah, he's still. Just runs around, choose threes, goes on, sit, has a couple runs here and there. All right. Yeah, he never felt like a, like a small, small guard. Yeah.

Kemble Walker. Ooh, Campbell Walker. He could be inspirational. Could be a short king also. I don't know if he didn't think he'd be short king. It was always. He carried, he carried. That you con run?

Yeah. Follower Tulloch, Kimbo. Short goat. What do we do with Kemba? He's an all-star One of the best crossovers In NBA history One-time All-N-B-A, 13, 2018

Sounds like a moment. 2019, I think. Short and sweet. But he had a lot of time. It just never materialized Like the superstar you wanted, but he had a long run of being the guy for Charlotte.

He just wasn't like an amazing guy. I think he's inspirational. It's not, but Kemp's not inspirational like that. Inspiration on New York City Hoopers, but like, I'm not from there. I mean, inspirational things about him is like, yeah, his killer crossover and shit.

His handbooked cool handles. His color crossover is so inspirational. Yeah. Look at Kappa, man. So inspirational. We can keep him there. Why not? I guess he's inspirational.

I don't know if it's better. Yeah. You know, he might be just average. We can't put him next to Paddy Mills. Okay, they put Paddy Mills in just short. Yeah. Paddyville just short. Campbell was just average.

Yeah, because there's actually nothing, like, obviously, like, Patty can shoot, but he's just a regular player. Yeah. Kimball Walker, it's average, actually. Yeah, let's do that. On the average? Yeah, and put Patty meals down.

Okay. Sorry, Patty. Next. Peyton Pritchard. Ooh, he's tough. Is he a short inspiration? The way he's able to get his buckets off for the white boys. Didn't be a white boy.

It looked like that and he's such a problem. Yeah, and dude, I think I remember around COVID, he had like, posted videos of him in a garage, just doing dribble tutorial, just pounded to the fucking rock. Inspiration. Yeah, I think he's an inspiration for the white boys.

He's an inspiration for the shorter guys. He is an inspiration for the get buckets type. Because remember, he had scored like 90 in like a Julie game or like one of those program games and became the like one of the postage boys of like, man, if you just give him time in the league. He could actually score like that.

And then he actually went and did the things to get better to get on the floor and was a very, like, key piece in the Celtics championship, you know, window. So I would say, I'd say inspiration is fair. Fair enough. I agree. You work your way up?

Short inspiration. All right. Next. Detroit, Isaiah Thomas. That's short goat. Short go. Easy. Easy. Easy to easily.

Multiple time champion. Besides Steph Curry, you're the only one people point to and say, this smaller guard led teams of champions as the best player. The Lakers, Celtics, and Bulls were going back and forth with their dynasties,

and then in between there is a two-year blip of a back-to-back championship, Isaiah Thomas's spearhead in that. That's six-foot-one. Yeah, if you ask Isaiah Thomas, too, they were rob up a three-peat. Yeah. All right. Last one, Alan Iverson. Short-goat.

Short-goat. Short-go. Say the best for last. Iconic, the most iconic short player in the NBA history probably. Yeah. He's six-foot tall, most influential player of his decade, most love player of his decade, has an aesthetic play style everybody loves. How can you be more goaded as a short guy?

than Alan Everson. This play style, the crossover, the number, the killer crossover. Yeah, not literally. Strikes again. Literally with him specifically, the number. Bro, yeah, it gives everything. All right.

That's a tear list. Look at that. Look at the short goats all around the league history. It's love to see it. Big salute. Big salute. Next thing we're going to do today, we are going to play NBA Keep 4 Cup 4,

New York Knicks edition. I have eight Knicks across history. tree. You know which one you're going to keep. You'll let me know which one you're going to cut. Okay. First name, Jalen Brunson. We are keeping Jalen Brunson. Not going to think about it.

Nope. Can't stay. That's fair. Top for Nick of all time, no matter what. Yes. In this. A hundred percent. Matter what. In this game, we're keeping him.

You don't go too far? You don't think so for all. I mean, no matter what, we have to think about some. He took you to the promise the first time of your life. And now you're getting shy about the praise. No, he's definitely up there, though. Okay. I'm not disrespecting my old guys, though.

Me? To kick him off. I say no, he's not for real about this glacial. I know. Opportunity glaze. He's cool. No, you're not a real glazer. He's one.

How about that? He's the best thing of all time. That's what I'm trying to hear. What the fuck you're talking about? Now what? Jenner Bruns and Keith. Yes. Next name, Julius Randall.

Dubious handle? Dubious handle. Now, for a shot to you and your service, he is cut. Him and off are paid one to war. They did. They were on the front line. Somebody had to build this house. And they were doing it with a lot of bricks.

Shout out to them. He's cut. Yeah. Okay. Where? You sure. I'm very sure. Gone as hell.

Amari's thought of Meyer. Shout out. He's in the line. You can go either way. Can go either way. Shout out to Amari. LeBron didn't show up. And then Amarer said, hey, I'm actually here.

I'll take that $100 million. But now I'm cutting him. Glad he got paid, but cutting him? Yeah. Yeah, he didn't do anything productive. Tough. He's gone. There was a brief, brief moment, but then, you know, injuries started happening.

Carmelo came. The team became Carmelo. It was a little bit different. Yeah. So Carmelo, Anthony. Keeping him. We are keeping. We are keeping.

You're sure. You have to. All the legends all the time. He's a legend in New York for sure. Yes. You don't understand what Carmelo means. Nobody wanted to come to New York. Explain it.

Nobody. Paint a picture. Bro, they were missing out on meetings with everybody. Think about what the Lakers were and think about that promise. being told to you in terms of you're a big city. The stars are going to want to come play there. You are a historic NBA franchise. And you go over to the Knicks and none of that is true.

Carmelo Anthony is the only person who said, I actually want to go and play for the Knicks and help try to revive this whole thing. He means the world to me. Okay. Carl Anthony Towns. Two keeps, two cuts so far. Damn, that's not. He's right on the line. Yeah. He's in the finals

right now. By the time you watch this, they might have a ring and he might be responsible. You guys wouldn't be here without Kat too You cut Jolias Randall This is his replacement But if Clyde is here And if Pat is here

I'm gonna feel bad Yeah you will Will you feel good If you watch your team in the finals In four days And you know you cut Carnotty Towns at one time That one time

Do we cut Kat? Just cut him Yeah that's cool Let's cut him Oh Yeah we're gonna cut Kat Yeah Because I feel like

the other two are coming up. Now, if they're not, it's going to be embarrassing. What do you do? What happens next? What happens next? Back to back, All-Star. We're in the finals. Yeah, that's kind of tough. You made the finals. I don't know who else is on this list.

Get to stay. Let me stay. Fine. Cat stays. Kat as a keep, two keeps, I mean, two cuts, three keeps. R.J. Barrett. You go. Yo, thank you. Yeah, he's gone as though. He's cut.

He's cut. He's cut. Not in consideration. No. Not at all. No. Not a conversation. Not a conversation.

You don't respect that he got you O.G. Anobi. He's a part of this journey. He had to be just good enough to get you O'G. He is a part of this journey. But he deserves a ring too. Your job is done. We'll see you in Vala.

McHale Bridges. Yeah, we're going to cut McHale. Also a part of this jersey of this journey you are here. Sorry. It's been a rough ride. Yeah. It's been a very up and down.

It's been a roller coaster. You ever made an All-Star team yet? If he did make an All-Star team, if he did make an all-star team, maybe we could have a conversation. We're not here to it yet. So right now we have Cap, Brunson, and Mello. Yeah. All of them are All-Stars. Okay.

Cool. Really great so far. So who's the last one that we're keeping? Last but on least, we have the illustrious, all-time legend of your team. a good job keeping this guy for the last spot frank needle kina frank niggilina man strikes again strikes again third time this episode i can't get away from him man scott's a champion in the euro league okay you should have kept in the euro league like that mean i know we respect the second best basketball league in the world so who should who's your weird amari or mckel

marie amari probably yeah yes ah i was holding out for one of us i was holding out for one of of the legends. Yep, yep, you shouldn't have assumed. Shouldn't have assumed it all be here. Damn, damn. Unbelievable. Next thing we're going to do today, off-season is around the corner.

As always, we're expecting a lot of teams to make moves, a lot of losers to try and get ready for the next season. I'm going to show you some NBA players. You tell me if they should be kept or traded this summer by their team. First name up. Donovan Mitchell, keeper trade. Trade him. He's 29 years old, fin to turn 30 soon.

How much better he's going to be? I think he's playing at the peak of his powers right now. You know that this team isn't going to be necessarily any better. They're not good enough to actually make a run at all. Why not just go ahead and give all your attention to Evan Moby and just retool, but sell how and Donald Mitchell. We're keeping D. Mitch. You're keeping D. Mitch.

I'm keeping D. Mitch. There's not the true true problem. That's somebody else. Who's that? Mobley? No. Who? Mr. Hardin.

He's not a problem. He's just there. He's a problem. And the best player on your team not being good enough isn't the problem? We're trying to, listen, there's somebody else who we can move here. Because if you're already thinking about, like, move, if you already thinking about moving pieces around and you have already come to the idea that, like, this specific version isn't good enough,

okay, then we're just going to go crazy. Yeah, I think they should go crazy. This is their last opportunity to sell hiding down from Mitchell. I don't think his values going to get higher as he gets into his early 30s as a small guard. If you can find a team that's willing to give you a package for him Because they believe he still has some juice left in the tank As a true top 15 player in the world I think it would be wise to take it this summer

Mowbelie, you're gone Okay What the fuck Why is he has to die? Mobile's gone because I feel like I do think that they probably do have to like make a move Somebody called you and said Mowgli for Yannis And like that and that and that package is there

Yes I would I think I might go with that route more so than than Dement. If that was on the case, if that was on like board, then yes, I had 100% do that. But I think in general, a lot of teams will probably trade more for Donovan Mitchell because there's like no question marks. There's no like, I disagree. I'm an ideal situation because he know, you know who he is. You know what type of production. He gives you. You just need someone who's better than him to help carry it. Meanwhile,

with Mobley, like, he has to be a, he has to come into himself first. And he hasn't done that yet. Does Mowgli not have a bigger trade value with him being younger? With him being... It's dicey right now. It's dicey. And like we're coming off of a couple years where like D. Mitch, the small guard, all the playoffs of like he has been at like outplayed. I feel like the peak, the peak value, I don't think that that's necessarily there anymore.

I think you could trade Mowbly and maybe get more for him than Mitchell. So for that right now, I'm keeping all of my options open. I would keep D. Mitch right now. Okay. next one Jalen Duren Are you paying him this summer Giving him 35 million plus

We're trying to work out of sign and trade Sign in trade would suck Because you're losing that no matter what And you're just getting like some filler contracts So I think you would Or picks Yeah or picks I guess And you gotta give him a more year

You gotta run back You have to keep up You still so young You gotta give him a chance To try to gain his dignity back After having to lights be too bright in the playoffs Give him a chance to recover from that And prove himself the next year

Yeah like he earned that right because he wasn't an All-Star. He did make an All-N-B-A team. Give him a chance to go lift more weights. Get more swore. No, stay away from the weights. I'm locking the weight. I'm locking the weight room up.

No, he needs to do more bicep presses. No, he needs to do more shoulder presses. No, he needs to move. More dips. Yeah. He needs to be in Pilates, man. I've been saying he needs to get bulkier and slower footed. That's what we need.

You need Pilates and Plimetric. Yes, put down the protein shakes. No more protein powder, bro. Please. Pick it up. Pick up. Pick up the deadlifting, pick up the dips. Don't stop.

They tell you you're too big, tell them they're wrong. They're too small. We are going 2000s body image stuff. I'm going to start pitching his stomach. No. Be skinny. Be quick. Yeah, I'm keeping him now.

You say no. I'm going to go eat my olive oil and my ice cream and get bigger and bigger and bigger. Olive oil and ice cream. You're not an offensive lineman. Get it bigger. But I will keep him though. Why can't he be Clay as Campbell? He probably.

Listen, 10 years ago, probably. Yeah, I think you keep him. You give him one more chance. If he fails to get in the playoffs next year, he's super gone. But for now, you pay him his $35 million in the summer and you give him a chance. Yeah. 35 is like the sweet spot. I like that.

Yeah. All right. Next. Jalen Brown, after he goes on Twitch and says all this stuff, that scares fans a little bit. Do you end this era and trade him? Do you get the world's most controversial Twitch streamer? The world's bravest mind in the NBA.

Do you send him anywhere else? Brad Stevens is a genius. You know, he hates this. He hates him so much. It's going on for years, too. Brad Stevens is a genius. He likes to sell off on things when they're super high. That's how he got Isaiah Thomas or Kyrie Irving for Isaiah Thomas.

And I think we might see something similar. Not obviously like Jamrown's not damaged goods, but in terms of like this this whole chemistry and how he sees himself and how he feels like he might. be bigger than the program. Yeah, I'm getting off. And I'm getting off at an all-time high value for him. For sure, I'm training him. We look up. We see Yonis in the Celtic jersey, Jalen Brown, and the Buck's jersey. Are we surprised? I wouldn't be mad at all. You do have to train them. I think you do. I think the comments have been a little bit too much. I wouldn't say you have to, but if you do, I'll respect you and say you're brave. I'll say good move. You did a

bold move that. Not everybody's willing to do. And as one great mind in the NBA one said, fortune favors the bold. Who said that? Nico Harris. Harrison. They're going to say Batman or something. That's true. Fortune Favors are bold. Brad Stevens, what are you prepared to do about it? Trade him. Yeah, I'm trading.

All right, next. Jared Allen. Yo, trade him. Yeah. As far as I concerned, he's already a Laker. Of course he is. He's already a Laker. Of course.

Those first, those are already on the way to Cleveland. Now, he has to, LeBron James is already on the way to Cleveland. Again? Sign and trade. Jared Allen coming to play with Luca. It's done. You don't have to trade Jared Allen.

No, I think you do. Why? He's not the reason they lost. But he's probably one of your best avenues to getting better would probably be to force Evan Moby into a center era if you want to try to get some more offensive output out of him. So I wouldn't be mad at trying to reconfigure your roster. If you do that, then you have to trade demets to you, like maximize on

retooling and get as many picks and asses. Don't tell me with a good time. Blow this team to Smithereens. Tell me more. Listen, this is the most expensive team in the NBA right now. Yeah. You're gone. And they're going to pay Hardin.

They're not going to trade him and let him walk. That'd be ridiculous to give away Garland for half a season of Hardin. So that's that's said in stone. They're going to be playing around Hardin. I'm telling Hard. Make Mowbly a star. Feed him. Correct.

Get him to average 25 a game. Yep. And how do you do that? Put Moby at center. Okay. I get down. And so to do that, gone as hell. Jay Jared Allen for LeBron James.

Put the Legos in the case, buddy. Legos in the case. There's a little Lego stores in Los Angeles. Oh, yeah. He's got a love it out there. He will. looking icon next jalen sugs do you mix up this magic roster you can't trade palo you can't trade franz you can't trade paolo unless you could trade fronds unless but doing all that to save jalen sucks

i'm not doing that yeah to do it to save the franchise and i think you are already in a situation where you kind of feel stuck and doubling down and not trading jalen sucks this all things i think will keep you in that purgatory it's going to keep you in that middle that you've been and it really just puts a lot of pressure on palo and franz to both level up to be the guys i think i would trade jalen sugs to get myself a little bit more flexibility yeah i wouldn't want to because i love jelan sugs and you can just totally imagine a championship caliber team having jellon and sugs on it as a defender but you got to get better somehow and you just trade it for bane you're low on picks what is wendo carter junior going to have some sweepstakes doubt it you kind of have

to trade sucks if you want to make a big move yeah he saw 40% at the room i'm trading him bro i like him He hate that's that. Yeah, great player. Tenacious defense. Do you like that to that? 40% at the rim? Do you know how bad you have to be or how small you have to be to do that? He's not a small guy.

He's like 6'4. He's stout too. Now, I get it. It's just you've harped on it like three times this five. That's so jarring. It's so jarring. It is bad. That's what Trey Young did last season.

Oh, wow. Like, and Trey Young's so much smaller than him. I made it up. But Trey's like, whatever. Even if he did do that. I made that up. I'm sure he did that against Miami Heat. I'm sure he didn't.

Probably worse. Yeah. In my meat series, he was probably much worse, honestly. Probably smooth 25% through him. Why is Trey in your mouth? For what? Chop of shit I've been on, I don't know. You like a lot of my mouth.

All right. Next time I should have you hung up. No, my boss. I got a move type shit. Okay. Next. Barnes Wagner. It's always trainer's shit, man.

Fuck. We keep, we keep frauds. Yeah, there's the argument that he could be the best player on this team. Imagine you trade Franz to try to get the most out of the Palo-Bank Carroll era and realize Palo-Simp that guy while Franz is out there being an all-star and a new team they gave him the ball more. You know how sick they'd feel?

And if he was like a multi-time all-star after that too, yeah, that could be one of the dumbest trades. What if he's the Tiberton for them? That could be easily one of the dumbest trades over the next 10 years. I couldn't visit that happening. So I would want to keep it in their future. But on the other hand, I also don't feel like you're going to get the most out of Palo and Franz the next year.

So it's tough. kind of have to just sit down and do nothing. And you're saying all this. And at this point, I think I just want what's the best for Franz. So trade him. Fuck it, trade him. Trade him.

Let him go get his own team. DeMitch for Franz. Everybody wins. The magic continued to make me not care about them, which I win. And Franz Wagner goes to Cleveland and he wins. Everybody that matters wins. Him and Cleveland would be nice.

It would be awesome. That would be productive. Trade him. Trade him. For our sake and for Franz's sake. Next. Tyler Hero. Oh, you're gone.

He could stay for what? Gone. Gone for what? Gone to me what? I'm over it. I'm over it. I'm over it. Really, I'm over this entire era of heat basketball. But if I have you and Norman Powell, I can't play both of y'all on the floor at the

same time. It's true to keep in Norm? Yeah, I am. Like 32 year old? Yes. Nah, you can go. What is Tyler here going to do? I mean, I can understand if you wanted to.

He's not going to save you. Neither is Norm Powell. you're going to die regardless. How do you want to die? Trade them both. Why are we having this debate? Let's mix up this team entirely. Get them both out of here.

Either one half this day. The only reason why I would I can understand that logic is you would get more for Tyler Hero because he's younger. Tyler Hero can be the center of a Yonis package. Hero wear picks.

Get him all out of here. Sure. Because if you did that, honestly, if you did that, the bucks would be 32 and 50. Like, they could win 30 games. You're right in that sweet spot of where the new lottery odds are going to be.

Tyler Hero, Tank Commander, okay. Okay, let's go. Let's get into Milwaukee. That's what I'm saying. The old school tank commanders, those are kind of out. Yeah. Right? Your Cam Thomas is, those are not there.

You want your childhood heroes. That's going to be the new face of tank command. You just broke my brain right now. You have to be a good tank commander. So all I'm hearing is Tyler Hero for Doddvin Mitchell, actually, and we try to get a number one pick to pair with Evan Mowley. Potentially. Being made the new meta, man.

Fuck, we should have kept a tray. Damn it. Fuck, man, I missed a ninth seed now. Fuck. You're going to be the fifth seat in the east now and it's just the new mid. Yes, it's the new mid. Tough. All right, next.

Jamal Murray, should the Nuggets be brave and blow this team up and give Yokic a whole new star team? For who? I don't even know. Exactly. That's why I think I would rather keep him. Yeah. He had the best year of his career. If you're training him, you're trading him for what?

Maybe like Donovan Mitchell? And I'm like, uh, it would make sense. But I'd rather have Jamal Murray at that point. I'd probably like you to keep Murray too. Because if you can give up additional stuff from Mitchell, just give me Murray. Yeah. Long. Yeah, I think you keep Murray and you just pray that you don't see Minnesota in the playoffs.

That's a tough pass. And keep it moving. And pray you don't see OKC in the playoffs. And probably pray you don't see the Spurs in the playoffs. Better get in that church, man. Or whatever they believe in. Better read them verses, man. It's a building of some sort.

You better build a fucking, fucking never-night. I was going to see some balls I shouldn't say that Salute Next Kevin Durant Bond friendly Kevin Durant

So the Rock is blow it up After one year of KD Hell yeah You don't want to be here The guys don't like you You don't like them I said for basketball reasons They should keep them

And try to run it back With the point guard And just be regular And not have a ridiculous team construction But we do have the elephant in the room That Jabari Smith said he got over it Does time heal all

Or does the playoff movies makes you not get over it anymore. Buddy, you're gone. You're gone as hell. I could just give me some regular shooters in the door who could do something that you can do. I'll go ahead and all season to sign Max Struce, you know, and then I'll get it,

I'll get like a pick or maybe two picks for you. It's very bad. Yeah, I'll do this. Give me Max Truce. I'm probably keeping Kevin Durant unless some kind of like amazing opportunity is in front of you that you can't turn down because it's just like obviously a smart pivot.

But I don't know what that I don't know what that opportunity might be. So I'll probably just keep him for one more year. What if the Timberwell is like, fuck, man, we miss that on Janus. Hey, we can get Katie for the low. This is a great pivot from Julius Randall. And they offer you more picks.

I'm not moving Katie for the low. That's the problem. I mean, he's old. How much you think he's worth at this point? He missed the playoffs. He's old and he's bitter. You tell me what's the low? He's always been bitter.

We just deal with that. Like two first round picks. No players? Of merit? Julius Randall. Fuck. Yeah. Give me a third person.

Randall Shangoo. Third is tough. third is tough. I'm not doing that. I'm keeping Katie. Then I don't want Randall and a couple mediocre pics. I'm keeping Katie. I'm not going going to get better. I'm keeping Katie. Then you can retire here. All right. Next. No, he cannot.

He can't retire. Julian is Randall. He's gone too. Everybody has to get traded. I haven't seen a single Timberwell's media member, a single Timberwell's reporter, writer, podcaster, anything. Timberwell's ball boy, Timberwolves mascot, Timberl's jersey salesman, Timberwell's popcorn salesman,

Hot dog salesman, anything of the sort. Haven't seen a single one of those people say Julius Randall should be kept. They've all said trade them. The mascot said no, too. The mascot said fuck out of here. Can't even talk. Damn, even the infant.

He's got the way to sign it. Damn. He doesn't have a postable thumbs. He still figured it out. He's got myths. To trade Julius Randall just start slapping his ass. That's the play? God.

Blood's get him out of here He's gone The method Julius Randall is super gone If he's here next year On Timberwells I will be shocked W method Who's next

Next Rudy Gobert So the Timberwol is Going even further than Randall And changing up this team Nah You got to keep Rudy I think

Because if you If you trade Rudy what is this team? Yeah. Like I don't, they, they already are in a crisis and like, Randall being there

or him not being there. That's going to change your team again. You've already lost so many pieces from your team two years ago. If Gobert isn't there, then I really would be on alert that like, hey, and it's six months away from requesting a trade.

Yeah. Because new owners came in, messed everything up. Now it's just me by myself. Him and Terrence Shannon just chilling, bullying? Yeah. Nothing to do.

You're right. You guys missed out on draft picks continuously. Lost out on a lot of trades. Gave up cat for Julius Randall out for flexibility and shit. You have inconsistent shooting. You have inconsistent playmaking. Rudy's the most consistent player on this team outside of Anthony Edwards, obviously. He is like the identity of your defense.

So just keep me. You have to keep. Okay. Kauai Leonard. Should the clip or should I get something for him before they get the sentence scene from the league? If they, if they traded him, let's say they traded him today. Okay. And then the announcement came out like a month later, but they have to reverse that trade?

I don't think so. No. Trade him today. Get ahead of it. Bag door. Go on. So I know we broke the law together. I'm writing you out.

It's a trade happy episode. Everyone can be gone. No, yeah. For sure, I'm trading him. I got Dairs gone for free, basically. Then I got the fifth pick in this year's draft. Yeah, just clear everything out. They're really up.

You can't let this scammer come in and take you down right now. Yeah. What are you trading for another core young player, which, which team would want him right now, just on top of our heads? Detroit. Okay, you get, sir, Ron Holland, I guess. You could say Detroit.

You get Palo? I mean, if you have clippers, like, yes, just age-wise, right? Yeah. Like, you just do it and say, okay, we can fucking fix them. Just once again go Ophrey Young. Yeah, why not? If I can have Garland,

the fifth pick in Palo from where I was a year ago, hell, yeah. Oh my God, Pablo Tor would be damned. I'm up. That would be amazing. Who else? There's actually not a, not too many. Fuck it, Palo for Kawahis.

Speaking to do existence. Let's make it happen. Jalen, bro. Sure. Please. I don't know why you don't want to do that personally. Please? I don't know how much better you get by doing that as a Celtics fan.

Ah. I mean, you're better, I guess, but like pretty marginal. Less reliable. No, health-wise. Maybe I'm eating too much. So would be. Next. John Morantz.

Once again, you're gone. Call your real estate agent now. Because, I mean, the whole team's gone. I mean, they've been trying to trade them. If he was straight, he'd been going on to deadline. They've been trying to. They've been trying to pick up their calls. Damn.

They haven't put the phones down. It's not a buyer's market. Straight ignored. Straight the voicemail. Yeah, have a hell of voicemails. Yo, bro. You still want to be right here.

It's like when you're in a fancy football league and you're trying to like do a two for one trade, trade some bullshit for a good player. And you're like, bro, I promise you, Troy Franklin is going to pop in the second half of the year. Everyone ignores you. It's the grizzly gym right now. He's going to jump better next year. I promise. His legs will be all right. On multiple occasions, this guy is trying to offer me Troy Franklin.

You're a scammer. He tried to multiple times. It's like he's the first thing he popped my mind because he's on my team. Yeah,

obviously, if they can trade him, they certainly will. He will be gone if there's a team that wants to give up something of merit for him. Like,

just 100% you have to trade him. Yeah. Have to. And that's it. And there we go. It's our last one. Okay.

Last thing we're going to do today, I was thinking about Alex Caruso, And I was thinking about how he's Loki becoming one of the most important role players of all time. Let's pick that most iconic, generational, defining role player

for the last five NBA decades. Okay. So 2020s, 2010s, 20s, 20s, 20s, 20s. Who is the most iconic role player of this generation? I feel like it's either Caruso. Is Aaron Gordon too good to be, like, role player?

No, he's not too. But I was Caruso, you know, right now, we don't know who's going to make the finals, Thunder or Spurs, 2020 won the ring, 2025, might get back to 2026. he might be a more iconic role player there in Gordon. Also, white, bald.

Cartoon character. You're right, you're right. As the Elmer Fudd of it all. Yeah, the upside down headband too. He has a little celebration. It's tough. Didn't Elmer Fudd wear a headband and space in him? Probably.

I think he did. So you know what? Elmer Fudd, 2020s. So Alex Caruso can have the 2020s. Yep. He might be the spark that started a dynasty and gave him that one veteran they needed to win multiple championships.

Him and Hartenstein. Yeah. Time will tell if the Thunder get there a second time, but right now it's looking possible. They won't. Okay, maybe not. We'll see. 2010s.

Is Dr. Maureen green too good? He was an all-star, so he's not a role player. Yeah. I don't think he's a, especially because like in the, in the second half,

once like Clay went down and they have the same or, or Candy was hurt. Like that two-man game really was. If that's the case, Andre Goddow was possible. Final MVP. And he did complete that like small, small ball lineup for death.

It would be what the team that defined the generation. Also, Danny Green got a ring in 14, 19 and 20. He's probably in the combo. In terms of role player, I feel like Danny Green might embody it a little bit more. Because Iggy at the start of the decade had some moments where like he's one of like those guys on the team. So I think Danny Green probably a better role player. Yeah, but 15 though he was full role player.

So I'm not, we can give Iggy. If you know, if we weren't with Danny Green, we can. But it was just because Iggy was too good. I think we can go Iggy. Yeah. And whenever people think about Iggy too, like no one remembers him at his peak at all. No one remembers the year he made an all-star with 50. And little key, if you get a finals MVP as a role player,

you probably have to get the decade. You're go to. That's crazy. Robbed or not? He did get it. He used to be damned. He got the final MVP. He did get it.

He's got to be 2010s. 2000s. A lot of different teams won in this generation, so there's no one obvious one. Got to go Robboree, I think. Okay. Because Robert Ori is just in shot after shot after shot. Multiple rings. All these rings stack up in one decade.

So I think it's probably him. Because, like, if you think about the teams that are making runs, we're talking about the Spurs, we're talking about the Lakers. Celtics in the second half we're making runs. Those three teams are probably that Detroit, but Detroit's much of like a, it's a team collective. Team full of four elite role players. Yeah, literally. Yeah. Okay.

Then, yeah, Robbins, makes sense for the 2000s. Yeah. Nineties. You got to go with Jordan teammate. Who's the teammate? Is Robman a concerted role player? Is he just like a super role player? Yeah.

But is that fair? Is it? I mean, so we didn't let, we didn't let Dremont. We didn't put Dremont there. Because Dremont wasn't a great passer, and they scored a little bit. Robin was averaging four points a game. No assistant to be seen. Just straight rebounds in defense.

Yeah, we can call him a role player. Okay, if that's the case, then Robynne gets it for the night. Yeah, greatest role player of all time. They're in the 90s. Okay. 80s. Who is winning? Got to be a Celtic or a Laker.

It's either a Laker. It's got to be one of those two. So we can take our pick at either one. Who defines it? Like Kevin McKelman and also team, so he's not a role player, right? even though he was for some of those runs. Yeah. See, that's the problem with both of those teams in that era.

It's like everybody's a Hall of Famer. Yeah. So all these teams are they threw all the role players in the Hall of Fame. They're genuine stars. It's tough. Michael Cooper? I don't know. Kurt Rambis.

I don't know. Just for staying power, Kurt Rambez might be the, just because he's still around. Sure, yeah. We can go Michael Cooper. Okay. Or do you think maybe we should go to Southwix role player because the Lakers teams were a little more star-heavy?

you know I guess because they had Magic Cream and James Worthy so like maybe the Celtics might embody

role player more and which role player embodies those championships the most Danny Age is like Celtics

white role player just just post a boy for it yeah fucking Danny age I guess it doesn't matter whichever Celtics

role player you want from the 80s okay okay is that is any the best pick though

probably not there's Dennis Johnson yeah but with Dennis Johnson too good yeah he might have been too good yeah I think he's too good that's why again it's hard in the 80s

because these rosters are some of the most like stacked rosters with deep cuts in there go Cedric Maxwell it was like Iggy before Iggy yeah McKill and Paris were both all-stars I'm looking at 86 as like the team to think about

and yeah I guess Danny Aange is the Maxwell yeah Maxwell could probably get it and we said Danny Angel to stick with it why not in terms of being like the people's champ Danny Ains got it The 1986 Celtics had a guy named David third kill Yo, that's the name

His last thing was third kill That's a gamer tag David third kill That's pretty cool That's tough If you're still here let me know your favorite David third kill moments And we'll see you all on Monday for our finals preview