The Deep 3 Podcast - Ranking The NBA's Best Young Players | Ep. 28

Episode Date: March 16, 2023

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So a few months ago, we did an episode where we ranked the best players in the NBA, and everybody loved it. So I think today we're going to do something similar, but a little different, and we're going to rank the top 25 young players under 25. So this should be a fun one. I love List Day. This is just my bag. I love List Day.

Yeah. Let's just jump right into it. Let's start. Let's go by tiers of five. So we'll do 20 through 25, then 15 through 10, et cetera. Okay. Who do you guys have at 25 through 20? Mo, you go first.

Okay. Okay, I'll go first. So 25, I have Bennett Mathrin. I forgot about Benedict's not on my list. Okay. Jackass, you already lost. Got a cursed. Shit.

Anyways. All right. 25. Benetan, Mathrim. 24. Kevin Herder. 23. Alfredson,

Gung. Kevin Hudder's under 25? Yeah. Kevin Herder's 24. Yeah. Your list is already trash, bro. I forgot about him. Yeah.

So, 23, Alfred Sangoon. 22, MPJ. And 21 is Jordan Poole. Finish down as 20 is Tyler hero okay oh pretty solid i had tyler hero a little bit higher than you okay so yes say that one more time fast so i can see all right so quick fast 25 vennett matherin 24 kevin herder 23 alfred singoon 22 mpj 21 jordan pool and 20 Tyler hero interesting okay so you didn't have palo bank hero on your top 25 no okay i just took well he is on it he's higher though

what the you have him higher than that he's higher yeah yeah he's higher yeah he's higher yeah he's Okay, well, I forgot about Kevin Herder, so I just bumped Palo Bancaro off my list because I just changed it. Wow. Wow. You go ahead and give your five. I got to change mine up real quick, Donovan. Look at him. He's already changing.

Thanks. All right. I forgot about these guys. So at 25, we have Jordan Poole. At 24, we have Shangun. At 23, we have Kelden Johnson. At 22, I have Anthony Simons. And then at 21, I have Palo.

Okay. we're at 20 and then at 20 i have deandre aton oh i have aiden much higher than you tell me why you have aton so low that's interesting to me i have a lot higher i think that so for aton a lot of it is just situational right now like i think if if he was able to be the number one option on his team we probably could see him do a little bit more offensively we could see like the true versatility of his game but i think this year has been a little bit disappointing and then now that KD's come into the mix, I know that KD's hurt, but now that KD's in the mix, Aiton really has been relegated into this, you know, rim-runner role. We're going to make you

the main beneficiary of Chris Paul's pick and roll game. And one of your main objectives is going to be just to play defense and kind of just, you know, let Devin do it, let Devin and KD do what he does. So I think if, if Ait had ended up going to Indiana in the offseason, he probably would be higher because I think he's I think in terms of talent a little more yeah I think in terms of talent he's higher on the list but in terms of production uh that's why I have him at 20 interesting we're gonna have such radically different list we are we are because I also I also did just a little bit of projection on this one and I tried to stay away from it but there's some guys why I just I had to put them a little a little bit yeah yeah can you guys can you

both text your people right now are going to see our list on screen but so we can see him reference it can you text your top like as we go text me to the chat so we can all see each other's list yeah yeah but i'm glad you mentioned the projection things i think we should let people know real quick that the whole point of this is zero projection it's just who is the best players right now as of today right yeah okay yes we got to clarify yeah i try i tried to do that as best as possible there's some guys so i just i just couldn't okay let me give my next my tough first five so i just changed it up a little bit because i forgot about singoon and herder who had a throw in there At first I had 24 and 25 where Palo Bancaro and Jada McDaniels, so they're both cut now.

Oh, Jada McDaniels is nice. I snubbed him. So Jaden McDaniels is my first cut now. He didn't quite make it. Okay. So really the biggest two, the biggest three snubs is Palo, Jada McDaniels, and J-dub, Jalen Williams. Okay. I had a hard time with those for the final spots.

Nice. So now at 25, I have Kay Cunningham. Okay. 24. I have Scotty Barnes. 23, Josh Giddy. Ooh. Do you have them higher?

Yeah, I do. Okay. I'm surprised. I'm surprised. I went back and forth with Gideon Poole a lot because they're very different games. It depends what you value. I gave Poole the nod a little bit because he's a better off-ball player, I think, and it contributes to winning. He plays in a very complicated system and manages to play alongside other good players.

Like he gave that to him. And I just added them, 21, I have Kevin Herder and 20 I have Sang-Goon. Okay. Listen, that's not. 20 Sang-Goon. Wow. You guys have a little lower, right? yeah i i do shangoon shangoon's nice shangoon is also a product of just a terrible basketball organization

in houston i think it's the opposite i think he's being held back by a terrible basketball team in houston no no that's what i'm saying that's what i'm saying like oh okay okay okay yeah if he was in a better if he was in a better situation i can see myself putting him higher but because they just got whatever it is that they have going on in houston it muddles everybody that you look at in that franchise yeah none of us said jathan green right and like I like Jalen a lot I think that I think that his basketball career isn't completely tarnished like it's not going to be poisoned

for the rest of his career oh for sure no one thinks that right it's not it's kind of toxic it's kind of toxic whatever they're doing that down here in Houston so I wouldn't be shocked to see him kind of like messed up after this with Singoon I'm giving him the benefit for the doubt because you know we always talk about I think Mo's made it his tagline the basketball is all about fit and that's how you kind of vow young players

is based on around them. And Sengoon's been in a place where he's been actively held back by his franchise and his head coach specifically. And we've seen them in splashes this year. In flashes this year, give him the reins and allow him to cook. It's like, you know, in NFL, people would be back in day

you say let Russell Wilson cook. That's how Rockets fans are this year with Sengoon. It's like, please let him cook. Like let him get the ball, please. Run the offense around him. He's clearly their best player and they haven't done it. And in the flashes they have done it, you've kind of seen those, like I said,

flashes to know that he can beat this guy. So I guess you can call it projecting, but really I'm just going to, I'm taking the small sample size we have of a properly built team around him. And I'm assuming that if they actually did that for a long period of time, this is how good he'd be. Yeah, exactly. With these types of lists, like even though we're not supposed to project, there's certain players who have to have expectations because of nuclear waste that they're in like Alphrinez and Goon. Like I swear to God, if he was on a team that like catered toward him in the more than the Houston Rockets, like the, I don't know, you, like the Charlotte Hornets, we would be talking about Alfred Sengu in a different light, you know?

Definitely. If he was in the San Antonio Spurs, he will be in a completely different light. He would be talking about as one of the, like, clear-cut best young players in the NBA. But he's not trying to like. If he was in a big successful market, if he was in the Miami Heat and he had like the eyes and like a team,

he would be, he wouldn't even get, don't even get me started if he was a Nick. Undermind, if he was a Nick, Tom Tibido wouldn't play him. But if he was a Laker, he would be the second coming of Yokich to the media's eyes. Yeah, easily. I think I think more realistic is like the second coming is a bonus that's more of an accurate depiction of like a ceiling maybe Yeah Because obviously people that make the Jokish comparison. It's it's an easy one, but it's no nobody's okay

It's cheap. It's cheap. It is cheap. They see it white they see a white center who can make a couple of no-look passes They say yeah, yeah, the same thing when people say they see it when they see a tall slender kid who can shoot They call him ex-keven rant oh next brennan or a six-fix seven dude who can shoot and play defense next kawai oh shit you can say you can say it's a bonus comparison is a little cheap too but i think that one makes a little bit more sense mostly because they're undersized will never be good at defense had the passing chops a little bit of a power post game so i can kind of see that one a little bit more but it is still white boy comparison

shout out saying it's fair getting getting the most run in this list already this early season i saw so mo has mpj on his list he is notably absent from our list he's not on mine yeah i have to have mpg on this list bro he's i didn't realize he wasn't 25 yet so that's one thing yeah but i could have added him just now i was thought about putting him above kade but like be real i'd rather have kate cunningham so yeah so tell me about that why is why is mpj higher than kevin herder i have mpj higher than kevin herder i don't now this is very interesting because i will not outright say that i think mp.j is a better player than kevin heard her because i think kevin is a little bit more versatile what are you doing he's a better

playmaker she like that huh it's it's a weird ass conversation to have bro this make michael for junior averages more turnovers than assists per game he literally averages can you guess how many assist he averages per game 1.2 oh what about you doing i'm gonna say i'm gonna say 0.9 oh it's exactly 1.0 from the last time i chat just like literally 20 40 minutes ago bro so that's crazy 53 assists on this is on the season and 57 turnovers he does not ask as soon as he touches it's going up teammates better start running towards the defensive end bro because it's not happening that's a ticket up account that's dedicated to posting mpg's highlights yeah that guy's hilarious yeah mpj is not in my top

25 i don't really you just said you know kevin hurt is better so i don't know why the fuck mpj's in your top 25 because i had to show him love bro like i don't know why he could have been an honorable mention but like that's sheer fact of the fact that he only has 53 turnovers the fact that he is oh the balls of my hand is going up that's the main reason why i can't put him on this list yeah he is nothing else exactly he's a straight like 2k player that's it and something interesting that happened earlier today i'm sure y'all saw on twitter um he was talking about how it's hard to catch a rhythm when he sits it's hard to catch a rhythm in the fourth quarter when he sits

like 20 minutes prior to that or whatever and he was like kind of throwing shots at Mike Malone and I think something that a lot of people have been thinking this still thinks he's like the main character or whatever and he's gonna go to another yeah he's gonna go to another team and his career is going to go like completely downhill from that and like all of his flaws are

really going to be like extremely exposed once he leaves. The thing is though this is great advertisement for a guy that you had kind of been like the upper half of your of like, or not of a half, but like 20th. Yeah. It's a good lot of long for him.

To be fair, if he was another team where he got more shots, he put up better numbers, which is probably what matters to him. Like, he could average 25 on a team that lets him shoot all the time. Would it be a productive 25? No. Oh, but would it be flashing people? That 25 leads you to a top five pick. That's perfect. For depending on your team. While we're on the topic of defense,

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I felt like I just wanted to show Bennett and Matherin, his respect. You know, he's one of the better rookies. I think he's starting to slide down the rookie list because J-Dub is on a fucking tear. He was also a snub and also Markhill Fultz. I really wanted him to put him on my list.

Because ever since he's been back with the Orono Magic, they've been they look like a different team. But anyways, back to Bennett and Matherin. He just deserves respect. Even though he's slid hella, like all rookies. They hit that wall. Happen to Paul Van Carroll.

It's happening to Bennett and Math, and he's averaging like 12 points over the last 15 games, and it's happening, but I just wanted to put him there. Okay. I noticed we all have Jordan Poole in here. Donovan, where'd you rank?

I don't see your list on here, Donovan. Where did you rank Jordan Poole? I had Poole at 25. He was like the last cut. I think for Poole, for me, it's two things. One, he is, he's a one half of the ball type of player, right? Like, he's just never going to be a good defender. I don't think he's like a god-awful defender, though.

No, but listen, there were times in the playoffs where he was unplayable. And so I think once you get into that setting and you can, you know, teams start targeting you a lot more, it's going to be really, really hard for Golden State to keep him out on the floor. If he's not doing the things that he was doing at the end of last season, at the start of the playoffs last year where he legitimately looked like a third splash brother. Now, like the term now is kind of. like splash cousin that's kind of that's kind of what's been going around and if he's not on top of

his game if he's not making 50% of his shots if he's not shooting 40% from three very consistently I think it's it's kind of hard to to keep him out on the floor all the time is the problem that his defense is like atrocious and can't be on the field court or is it the fact that you can't pair him with clay Thompson and Steph Curry at the same time I think that's the bigger issue right is that you just can't have that many average or below average defenders so if they didn't have a point guard who was also a mid defender well not step curry solid but you know what i mean small like you can't have that many small guards out there yeah i think that's more a problem i think but but when all three of them are out there on the floor they're still picking

to to go out jordan yeah let's play off basso right you're picked small's guy that doesn't necessarily mean he's like a total liability no but he is clearly the worst defendant if you're talking about like step kerry who again is much much improved how to game yeah yeah he's a good defender yeah had a game winner block the other day and then And then Clay Thompson coming back from all his lower leg injuries. They'd rather go at Jordan Pool than a dude who hasn't had legs for two years. Yeah. And I think it's like it's some of those things where it's like the, it's the on ball defense.

And then there's a lot of times where I just see him, he's just not locked in. He's not disciplined. There's a lot of, there's a lot of, there's a lot of times where he can, he can get beat on a back cut. He just has some stupid fouls where he's not like a stupid turnovers too. Yeah, he's not 100% engaged I really like Jordan Pool He's really fun But I would rather have some of these other players

I see what you mean Because I think the problem with the With the playoff defense argument Is that that's the same logic Of like when people says Seth Curry was a bad defender in like 2016 era Because LeBron attacked him every time But like yeah

You're flanked by Clay Thompson Andre Goddala Kevin Durant and Draymond green Of course you're gonna attack the smallest guy I think that was kind of what we saw In the finals last year with Jordan Pool So he is not a great defender at all by any means Like you said his offball defense is a huge problem But I'm gonna try not to hold the fact

that we saw him get played off the court against him too much because I think that's just more of a fit thing. If he was playing alongside Marcus Smart or something or if he's, then it would be less of an issue, right? Or if he was playing with another smaller guard that attack him. So I think it's just like a strategy thing and not necessarily like he's not Tray Young, you know what I mean?

Love the, love the Tray Young shot. Oh my God, I think's crazy. It's very funny. No, I get what you're saying. But like, there's concerns at every level of his defense with him, whether it's on ball, you know, on ball, off ball, just overall, like, attention to where your hand placement is and stuff like that.

So that's why I have them at 25. Okay. So you guys had Giddy above number 20? I actually didn't have Josh Giddy on my list. Whoa. That is crazy to hear you coming from you. Listen, I was very high on Josh Giddy coming into this year. Higher than me.

Yeah, I chose to go with Keldon Johnson instead of Josh Giddy. Okay. Oh, bro, I watch the Spurs basketball. You're in the trenches right now. I think that Keldin is also... What about to say? I would rather put Devin Vassell on this list. Me too.

Kelton Johnson's mid. Yeah. I like Kelton. I think Kelton has... He has buffed privilege. I think him and Vesel, frankly, they're both the same as Shangoon, where they are very much hindered by, like,

this terrible, terrible situation that they're in. Like, Spurs at one point lost 16 games this year. In a row. Yeah, 16 in a row. And I think if you put, if the Spurs were on track to win 30 games instead of 18, I think we can see a little bit more of like Keldon's like all around this come out. So I still have, I still have hope. He's shown a little bit.

He's shown some signs of promise in the past. I'm really just still holding on to that. And that's the only reason why I have him on the list. I think Kelvin was miscast this year. they're kind of trying to make him the guy. He has to be the number one option, like go to wing score. Yeah.

And he's not good at that at all. So I think the better indictment of him is what we saw like last year before that, where he was like an awful player next to Jean-T Murray, next to DeMarie, next to DeMarie. And he can kind of like be a three-indie wing with a little bit of self-creation.

Him having to be the guy is just a nightmare. I guess not his game at all. Again, that's why they've lost 16. Yeah. You know, that's why they lost 16 in a row. They're in the running for Wemby.

But I, I'm holding out, Hope, he's, again, one of those guys while I'm still projecting. I think if he can get to another situation, he can start to, like, legitimately be more recognized as one of the top young players. But, yeah, so I have him at 23 for Giddy, it just, it, it hadn't, I think for Giddy and me, I thought he was going to win most improved player at the start of the year. And so for him not to take the leap that I thought he was, it's still just a little bit

a bad taste in my mouth falls and so then that's that's why there was no way around it okay i disagree but whatever but anyways i think he's been solid he's been great in my mind like i've always been on the lower end of giddy have y'all i know y'all for a fact have seen that meme that's been passed around across nbae twitter shout out to hoop and elects like he made this he makes these NBA draft scouting report things and uh his little screenings card that he had for Josh Giddy, his weakness was just like all around everything on the basketball court athleticism, dribbling, shooting, like everything except for passing. And so like, overall, I've never, I never really saw it with Josh Giddy. And just to see how he's able to, like,

be real surgical with his game while having possibly the worst bag in the entire NBA is so impressive. Run straight. So impressive. Run. Run straight and run around circles, bro. And he just makes the most obvious, well, not so obvious, but, like, he's just a great basketball player. If you put Bob Coosie into the modern NBA, you'd get Josh Giddy. Yeah. Yeah. That's a great comparison, Doc. That's a great comparison.

And I'm like, what's up a leap do you expect him to make you want to have him? You wanted to have him average 20 or what, bro? He's good, though. He's a very smart passer. Surprisingly decent score. Gets to his spots. It plays the right way, all those white purple shit. So speaking of Giddy, this is a great transition because I have Giddy at 19.

Okay. At 18, I have Aiton. At 17, I have Maxie. At 16, I have Scottie Barnes. And at 15, I have Franz Wagner. Franz Wagner. Ooh, I love the Franz Love. Yeah.

Okay, let me do you send mine. So you have Scotty Barnes very high. I had Scotty Barnes at 24. I did not have Scotty Barnes very high. What's like about that? So part of the reason why I had Scottie Barnes highs Because I was kind of projecting because I'm like I know this dude's a little bit better than what he's doing right now

Because I just don't think the team around him Caters to his game like it does to I don't want to say like Franz Wagner But a lot of other players on this on this list Their team is building towards them or at least putting the right That's a good point players who you know I'm saying Feet off of the game and I think Masai Jiri He needs to be investigated. He's not doing Scottie Barnes right at all

He's your something's wrong with him all right So you traded for yacopoda will start next to him Which is even worse fit for scotty barns So I see you Yeah so I'm just like I know he's better than what he's doing right now And I'm not even the biggest Scotty Barnes-Barns fan Okay

So I have at 19 I have Franz Wagner I see you guys had him higher I kind of wish I would have now Had the balls to do that At 18 I have Simons Anthony Simons Which I haven't seen you guys' list You don't have Anthony Simons on your list

Oh I do I had Simons at 22 Oh okay Okay so I got Simons at 18 Harrow at 17 Aiton at 16 And Maxie at 15 Okay

Oh fuck I just fucked up my list on whatever All right Rupert That's nice So I have Hero at 19 Kade at 18 Jared Allen at 17 Franz Wagner at 16

And Scotty Barnes at 15 Jared Allen is not 28 years old No he's 24 surprisingly Damn I left him off my list bro Holy fuck Tough that's on me

so you guys have Scotty Barnes very high I'm in the year I would do the same thing but I just feel like the Ricky of the year buzz and in fact get a strong

run into the last year made everybody overreact including myself I bought the hype and this year he kind of just like he didn't get worse right

like he's like it's easy to you kind of have to fight the bias of negatively hurting a player's image too much because they didn't take

a second year leap where we all assume there'll be stars so to be fair to him he doesn't have to do that but I just don't think he's been that great like sure you could say the fit isn't good but i don't think he's improved

much at all do you uh i couldn't say that he's improved but it's so hard to ask him to improve when like it's not set up for him to improve you know like i feel like if the team was gutted out or at least like not even gutted out but like you know if you were to give him any leeway yeah and give him the keys then if he if he if you were to give him him the keys and he wasn't like able to do what he's doing right now or able to progress and I'd be like okay like I'm kind of off on this dude but like growth is not straight shoot some linear in the NBA so I can't really yeah well so what's he what's he great at right now he his defense is better in theory than it is in practice right now we've seen flashed of it

his defense is better last year I don't think he's been great this year on that end his passing is actually pretty good and underrated I think he doesn't have a ton of opportunity because Fred and see Akam are the main ball handlers but yeah you can say his passing is really good he's not a particularly good score at any level like maybe eventually he'll be a good rim score of his length but he's not really good at any of that so I don't know how he's better than say I don't know you guys have him above Aton

I think both you do yeah yeah I ain't way better right now I can't even imagine doing that yeah I think that's just projection on my part yeah I think so too I'd rather have Scottie Wands on my team than Aton but now that I'm thinking about like Aiden's better right now it's way better right now I feel like Aidan's underrated about your guys' list. But then again, I don't know how much higher.

I haven't met 16. Yeah. Like, I'm putting Scottie, but Franz Wagner's crazy to me. I think Franz Wagner's better like everything right now. Yeah,

that's fair. That's fair. That's just only me giving him the benefit of the doubt. I don't know if people were realized on this list, all the people that I felt like I was wronging about,

I gave them the benefit of the doubt. Yeah, you don't want to have biases? Yeah, exactly. I face my demons in the mirror today. Okay. Sure, you could also say that you could use the same logic I use for Sengoon for Scotty Barnes with you've seen the flashes when he's on a team that has like players around him that fit when people are out for injuries and stuff and right now he's not the best fit there most of the time. So that's what's holding him back.

If you want to do that, then I get it. That's to be consistent. I understand. Yeah, absolutely. Let me see your list, Isaac again. I need to revisit that. Yeah, so I got 19 Franz, 18 Simons, then Harrow at 17. Do we all have a hero on the same place?

What did you have a hero? Yeah, we got a hero in the same range. I got him at 20. Okay, you got a little bit lower than us. I've, I've been at 19. Yeah. Okay, so I'm a little bit higher on him than you. He's a player that I feel like I had to stop myself from hating on too much because

he's easy to hate on. It's so easy to hate on him. Yeah. So I had to like take a step back. And okay, so we like to make fun of him because he was anointed so early. And I was like, it's like, deck star because Miami's a big fan base. And he wasn't that. but he's a really good score

the thing for me I made him higher is he's really good without the ball in his hands like he can play next to Jimmy Butler Cowallari whatever but like Bam out of bio he can be a guy that doesn't have to have the ball his versatility is on an off ball player is almost like Devin Booker like

very Devin Booker light I should say because obviously he's not as good at anything but that versatility means a lot to me that was a crazy story I feel the same way about Tyler Hero I think, like, he's, he's cool. Like, there's really, like, there's really, like, there's really not, there's really not a lot to say about Tyler Hero in that, like, he's not, he's not one of the worst young players, but at the same time, like, you are not going to elevate him into a space where you feel comfortable building a team around him.

He's probably never going to be the, you know what I'm saying? Like, he's probably never going to be the first or second best player on a championship team, but he's going to be a very, very solid role player. Yeah. you know like he's he's cool that's literally all i can say about him i feel like when it comes to tyler hero on my on most of our list is it sounds like we were like grimacing putting him on there like i was like i really want to put him this high and i almost disrespected him and put him in that like towards the end of this list but i didn't i put him at 20 so like Tyler hero like i agree with everything that you said donovan and when i think of him like if i think of him

as like a great fine as a great complimentary piece to any franchise type player that you want to have around him you know yeah I think that's a great piece

he's a building block he's just something nice to have you know he's not gonna change life well he possibly could change life for your franchise player depending on their play style but

like if you give like a Luca Donchia to Tyler Hero that would be a great fit like I think he's a very positively impactful offensive player defense is obviously not great never will be slight frame, but I think he has

legit offensive impact. It's only going to get better as he gets older. Definitely. Let's talk about DeAndre Aidan, because he's, we've all said him at this point. I have him at 16, Moe has him at 18. 18. Donovan had him at 22, I think. 20. 20, okay. So, you don't like DeAndre Aidan at all.

Tell me, tell me why. No, I'm not, I'm not a huge fan. I think DeAndre Aiton, I think DeAndre Aiton just hasn't been able to find his rhythm at all in I think he has this year. I don't, I, I, I disagree, um, offensively. I think, at least when the suns are, are full strength.

And this is, and this is another thing that I was saying, like, if he had went to Indiana, if he had went to another team, then we probably could have seen the full talents of his game. But I feel like he is kind of one dimensional offensively. I don't, I don't, I don't feel like I, I don't, I don't, I don't feel like. When I watch DeAndre Ait in play, I don't feel like he is, like, great in a lot of, in a lot of things offensively. I think, like, I hear about the touch on the jump shot and, like, I watch it, like, it's cool, but I don't, listen, that's, that's going to be the word that you are going to hear a lot today. It's just, like, it just doesn't move me, but, like, when I watch, when, like, I think, I think the strength, I think his strength is,

is defense and being able to to to defend in the paint but I don't think that there's anything offensively that like jumps off the but think about I feel like so so so I think I think one-dimensional was was the wrong word to to use it's more just this is going to sound harsh but it's more unimpressive I think we're on the same way length right now I think you're holding him to expectations of number one pick and not actually judging him as a player you have you have Scotty Barnes above him what does Scotty Barnes do impact wise as better than John Drayton. You said Yandrean's a solid defender's where his strengths lie. Sure. He's a 17 points per game efficient score. Whether you're impressed by it visually or not, he's a good

pick and roll man playing off ball. He can self-create a little bit in the post, the secondary ball hand there. When players have been out, he stepped up and had a higher score on volume when he's needed. Compare that to the people above him. And I feel like if you, if he didn't know where he was drafted, if he was a second round pick, you'd be like, this guy's number 12. He's great. Yeah. It's just, he's great. It's just like, like, Aiton is just stuck in this weird predicament to where it's like he's good but he's not good enough to yeah because because of the people who was drafted after him it's like for the rest of his career people it's going to look at him as a slight disappointment you know yeah no matter what he does not he can make he could be a

three-time all-star four-time all-time all-term career someone was going to say you should have been a six-time all-star he was he was a disappointment it's just what it is and there's nothing really wrong with that but I just feel like at times we're gonna like I think what we're doing right now and now that I'm looking at my list, I'm like, maybe I should have put him a little bit higher is that we're under appreciating D'Andre Aiton, and we need to get to a point so we're like, we need to accept the type of player that he is. And the type of player that he is, it's better than, like, 70% of put centers in the NBA, 80%.

Yeah. You know, I'm going to flip it. I'm going to put him to 15 and put Maxie to 16. I was doing to myself, too. I kind of like, now I'm saying it out loud and talking through it. He's better than Tyre's Maxie right now. Yeah, I would definitely rather have a player like DeAndre Ateen because his center archetype, is extremely where I can I can find a lot of players who are similar-ish in the in the mold

of Tyrese Max say may not be as good but as for a down-dra a dayton that's rare as hell can't find a center who's that light on his feet who's more than competent defensively and is not limited outside of the three point outside of three-point line on the offensive side of the ball you know I mean she's 30 percent from three too so like he he's not like a good shooter yet but you see it he takes something he provides a little bit of spacing like teams have to respect him a little bit yeah exactly I think he's very good. I think he has a legitimate two-way impact that isn't, like, great two-way impact,

but it's, like, above-average good on both ends. Yeah, facts. And I think my thing is, I think even if he was to go to a team like Indiana, I don't know if he would get the looks that he just doesn't seem like as dominant of a personality, you know? Like, I don't really see him, like, you know, I don't know if he has that dog in him. I guess I'm trying to say. I'm not calling me a bitch, but I just don't know if he has that dog in him. Nobody said that.

Yeah. I'm cool off of A. He's a humongous man. I don't want nothing. I don't want no problems with Ayn, all right? Zero smoke. Yeah, I'm a bitch. I swear to God I'm scared. You kidding me?

Yeah, I'm a bitch. No, no, no, no. That's funny. That's funny. We're going to take a quick break from the pod to tell you guys about underdog fantasy the best and easiest way to play fantasy sports online. And it's super simple to get in on the action. You can play online or you can play in the app.

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Here's my 14 through 11. At 14 I have Jared Allen, who I think is just a hair better than DeAndre Aten. At 13, I have Desmond Bain, 12 Evan Mobley and 11 McHale Bridges. Can you repeat that one more time for me, please? 14, Jared Allen, 13 Desmond Bain, 12 Evan Mobley and 11 McHale Bridges. Wow, okay. Can you disagree some of those? Wait, how old is Macal Bridges?

Like 23? No, he's not 23. No way. He's not. He was a two-year player. That's what I'm saying. He spent time in college. Yeah, he's,

he's been in college for a minute. He's not 25. He's 26. Yeah. What? Ah! Okay, so, shit, I got changed my whole list. Yeah.

Hey, it's okay. So I'm going to update the screen right now. Everybody's sliding up one spot in Jada McDaniels is 25. Bridges is gone. So now I have. That's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's perfect. Listen, I'm glad you made a mistake because I'm looking at my list and I wrote the same name twice. So we're cutting out one person. Everybody's sliding up. Josh Giddy, welcome to the

list. Welcome to this, Josh Giddy. You've officially made it. Okay, so the repeat. Now I have at 14, I have DeAndre Aden. At 13, Jared Allen, 12, Desmond Bain, 11 Evan Mobley. I'm crying now. He's 26. What the hell? We're on 14 through 11. 11 yep okay that's crazy okay so considering so considering that giddy has now made the list i'm only going to send you guys 13 through 11 and then we'll be we'll be back on track for me all right okay so confession hour while you're while you're typing out your list i have to admit my you missed up too i messed up and you won't believe who i forgot on this list he forgot he forgot he I didn't put Try Young on this bitch

I didn't put Troy Young He's so forgettable This is the most fucking Just messed up list ever And I did this shit I played I did this way earlier in the day So I'm like bro I don't even know how And I was doing my research bro looking at stats

Okay listen next next list We're gonna have to send it in Pre-show fact check it Make sure that everybody is there And make any like any final adjustments In terms of like oh I forgot this player I forgot that player. This is crazy.

Three mistakes from all three of us. The dysfunction is what I thrive in. Look at us. Wow. Someone take away our mics. Okay. So who's, send you, send you your next four. Okay.

This is, this is my 13 through 11. So I have Maxie at 13, Desmond Bayne at 12, Evan Mowgli at 11. Okay. Okay. So basically the same thing, but I had Jared Allen there instead of Maxi. Our lists are actually pretty similar. there's only like two real, well, three. Now, Arliss ain't similar at all, all, all right?

So, damn, never mind. All right, so at 14, I have Palo Ben-Caro. At 13, I have Desmond Bain. 12, I have Inferi-Simon's, and then 11. I kind of cheated. I put Cade Lamello. They're both hurt. They're out for the rest of the season.

Why are you looking at me like that? That's hot. That's hot. That's high. You have Pelopan Carol top 15? Hell yeah, dude. Did you stop watching? him after the 10th game of the year?

Maybe? Bro, he's like 45% from the field and 28% from three. He hasn't made a shot in six months. Yeah, over the last like 10, 15 games. Do you have Simon's at 12? Yeah, he's, yeah, he has. He's pulling up crazy numbers this year, for sure. No, he's not.

He's putting up good numbers. I wouldn't say crazy. Dude, he's an elite. He's one of the best shooters in the NBA. Of course, yes, he is. What are you talking about? Did you say Kade at 11? Did I hear that right?

I put Kade in the mellow at 11, all right? I said, I kind of cheated. God, damn, y'all are cooking me. Kade at 11? need a fact check we need a fact check what did i mess up on no he's that this is not a fact check it's a take check it's a horrible take no it's listen mo mo please you have the floor please explain please explain explain to me how palo ban caro is better at basketball than jaundra right now all right look if you're looking for an explanation motherfucker you're not getting one right

i am going i'm a vibes type of guy you should know this already why you should know this already why you expecting smart basketball exos and else i go about how i feel at the moment and at the moment by appell is one of my favorite rookies over the last few years and just seeing how NBA ready he came obviously like you know he doesn't look so NBA ready because he had me on his brick wall and shit like that so it's kind of embarrassing right now but anyways 13 hey give me my credit i had desmond being at number 13 we congratulations congratulations congratulations But you had Anthony Simons above him It's a crime

And for any Simons He's putting up a fantastic three-point shooter numbers He's one of the best three-point shooters in the entire NBA Top 10 Let me see what Simons is at right now And then I put Cade and LaMello Because I had to respect them And I feel like, you know

Like they're both hurt And I don't want to completely exiled How can you tie Cade and Lamello? Lamello's so much better than Cade right now Lamello is so much better than Cade right now Yes, Kate should not be this high Look, they're injured light skin dudes who are tall. I just bunched them in together, man, right?

This is a crime. Anthony Simon's on the year issued in 38% from three, which is in the six, which is per game. Yeah, per game, I don't know. I'm looking at like the total thing. He's eight attempts per game. That's crazy. That percentage, according to cleaning the glass, puts him in the 66%

tile of all combo to be fair his shot difficulty is very high and he's probably really high off the dribble percentages so he is a great shooter but he's not Clay Thompson he's not this good that he's fucking number 12 like he's not better than Desmond Bain. Desmond Bain is a better score

a better defender the passing is probably a draw even though doesn't even though no I think he doesn't pay's better at everything but doesn't mean look weird so that's why I didn't him high high enough, bro. He looks like action figure. I'm sorry.

You saw that picture of him with the four arms. Did you just snort? Did you just snort? No, I hit my table. I flushed my table. This episode is so unhinged. This is crazy. It's the worst list ever.

We're going to play most. My list is solid, bro. You got a little. My goodness. I don't know. Some just didn't feel right about Desmond Bainain, like being higher than Anthony's. Simon's, Anthony Simon spent some VC, not some nice tattoos, like, well, I look like

putting him a head, no. That's crazy. Okay. Okay. So, uh, where's Evan Mobley? Do you do you say Evan Mobley before or is in your top? Oh, no, I had Evan Mobley's in, uh, he's a little bit higher. He had Palo Van Carole of Evan Mobley. Jail. Jail right now. I'm, I'm shocked. I'm stunned. My list is great y'all are triven comments going to back me on this kid cuttingham died with lamello was insane no it's not okay watch more ball let's go let's go to this top ten i don't know evan first shout out evan mowgli evan mowgli has been improved so much over the last 15 games or so offensively his shot making has been so

great as well as his defense already being like legitimate top tier he's 11 i want him to be a little higher but is the highest he can go but evan mowgli's him same we all had desmond bain this tier right yeah i have bain at 12 me too same yeah i had bane i had bain i had bain and um 13 okay yeah i'm at 12 so you had maxi at 11 above bain explain maxi over bain to me donovan no i don't i have bane i have maxi at 13 oh okay i'm looking at your list backwards okay yeah oh okay i've mobly at 11 bain at 12 maxi at 13 okay that's pretty much same as me but i have maxi at 14 or actually no i'm at 60 15 because i flipped him and aden yeah okay i love tyrese maxi i know you do i he's been also i really do i need the sixers the best thing for tyrese maxi's personal career

would be for the sixers to lose in a second round they fire doc rivers and we get somebody who can who can nurture tyrese maxi's talent and really just give him the keys because right now what Doc Rivers is doing with Maxi is, in my opinion, it's unforgivable. He's trying to, I'll practice. He's trying to use him as just some like spark plug that you just, just throw in. And yes, he can do that. He deserves more. He, he did. Justice for Tyrese. He deserves more of the offense. And from day one, I have not felt like, at least day one of this season, I haven't felt like Dr. Rivers has been putting Tyrese in the best situations to succeed. And I feel like, I feel like he needs the ball in his hands a little bit more and not just

and not just needs to be like the change of pace guard to whatever James Hardin and Joel and Bede are doing over here. And then we're like, oh, yeah, we have, we have, you know, oh, we have five minutes left in the quarter. Tyrese, go out there and get some run. Like, he needs to be actually integrated into the offense. I can agree with that. Yeah, he's a victim of it, right?

it's a shame it's tough when you have hardening and be like somebody has to draw the short string yeah trade james tariff give tyrese maxi the keys all right in my mind though like how good do tyrese maxi can be like as an individual in my mind i think he's in i don't want to see in the perfect i'm playing about but like still yeah ideally i'd like him playing next to someone like joel and b and you can say james hardin as well because i don't think he's there to have that type of responsibility if you were to give him the tough responsibility that you want him to have donovan that he would be not a disappointment, but he will let you down.

Who? You take that back. You take that back. You take that back. Let you down. Let you down. No, you act like I'm talking about your boyfriend and son. Tyrese, relax, all right?

Tyrese and Maxie, like, when I think of, like, change of pace, I don't, I see it in his game, but there's time, I don't know. I don't know. He's a very conflicting player to me. sometimes because his role is conflicting because his role is conflicting he's too good he's too good to just be like this this like not not irrelevant but like the spark plug change of pace you know third option type of guy he should be a little bit better than that obviously he's not as good as james hardens to where you want to fully give him the keys to the offense but there needs to be

a better way to find the in between in there and so that's why it's really weird to watch maxi play right now because his fit is not 100% and this is something that the sixes have dealt with for like six years now and i don't know if it's like the way that they set up the offense around joel because even with joel and ben simmons there wasn't able you weren't able to get a good like guard to center fit in their in their two-man game and they had good stretches but when it was just them too they were still like uh it's it's gonna work is it not and it's it's carrying over to this era with maxi and so i don't know what needs to happen like exactly in terms of x's and but maxi needs to be a bigger part of the offense and he needs to it needs to be like a big

three rather than Harden and Bede plus Maxx. I see what you mean. Okay I can't be mad at that let's move on to this top 10 we're 45 minutes in we this 10 through 14 was a blender disgusting let's get these top 10 let's do 10 through 6 I'll go first so I personally did not forget Trey young I'll go ahead and say that first Trayong is on my list unlike somebody added him on my list, so. Okay. You're going to have to send me's list at the end so I can put them on screen because these lists are changing your five seconds. No, first, let's, let's say it again. Let's say our first 10, or our first 15. So my updated list after all the fuck-ups is 25 Jada McDaniels, 24 Cade Cunningham, 23 Scotty Barnes, 22 Josh Giddy, 21 Jordan Poole, 20 Kevin Hurter,

Kevin, my bad, 19 Alperin Saint-Goon, 18 Franz Wagner, 17 Simons, 6,000, 6,000, 6,000, 16 Tyler Hero, 15 Maxi, 14, Aiton, 13 Jared Allen, 12 dozen Bain, 11, Evan Mobley. Nice. All right, cool. All right, I'll go. We're going to add Giddy into here post show. Okay, 25. But then, but then we're going to start 24 up.

So pool at 24, 23 is Sangoon. 22 is Kelton Johnson. 21 is Anthony Simons. Kelton Johnson. 20 is. That sounds so nasty, bro. That's the way. worst take no you have far worse

take that's a bad take you had palo van caro helen doesn't be on this list bro I'm sorry he's not Ceylon caro Danor doesn't either listen no I mean Palo does it anyways 21 everything time is 20 20 palo ban caro 19 Deandre 8 18 title of hero 17 Kade 16

Jared Allen 15 Franz Wagner 14 14 Scotty Barnes 13 Tyrese 12 Desmond Bain and 11 Evan Oh, actually, I had Bencaro at 25, not Jada McDaniels. I forgot. Oh, okay. He wasn't done. This episode is ridiculous.

I know. Anyways, I got 25, Benedict Mathurn, 24, Kibon Hurder, 23, Sangoon, 22, MPJ, 21, Jordan Poole, 20, Tyler Hero, 19, Josh Giddy, 18, DeAnd Andre Aiden, 17, Maxi, and then at 16, at 16, I got Scotty Barnes, 15, Franz Barner, just like you, Donovan. 14, I have Paula Bancaro. Yeah. 13, I got Desmond Bain, 12, Anthony Simons. There we go.

And then I got 11. I put Cade Lamello. Why are you letting you put two people in one spot? They're hurt. I'm not going to completely exiled. Just cut off Cade and say Lamello so you save yourself some headache. No, no. You can't put two people in one spot.

He's a grown man. Let him do what he wants. If he wants... Is it top 26? If two people are tied, that means. there's no 12 with the next guy should be 13 they're hurt all right let's move on whatever they've combined they've combined to play less than one season so I'll yeah exactly they're both tall light skin dudes who are hurt to bad ankle bad all you had to do was just put lamello ball instead

of lamello slash k and your problems would be solved oh no yeah it was a very easy solution but I'll let you know you don't take the easy way around here right okay anyways so at number 10 I have lamello ball okay he does there's no hyphenated name next to him it's just lamella ball Gotcha. At number nine, at number nine, I have Jaron Jackson Jr. Okay. Nice. Okay.

At eight, I have Darius Garland. Okay. At seven, I have Anthony Edwards. Wow, okay. And at six, I have Trey Young. Wow. Nice. We were so close.

I'm going to send my list because, Isaac, you and I have these exact same, 10 through seven. This is crazy. The exact same. I'm putting something out of left field for Mo. I have Lamello at 10, Jaron Jackson at 9, Darius Garland at 8, Anthony Edwards at 7, and I have Zion at 6. Okay, so the only difference is you had Trey above Zion. Okay. Yeah. Okay. What about you?

All right, cool. So at 10, I had Evan Mowley. At 9, I had Darius Garland. At 8, which I'm kind of iffy on, and I kind of want to flip-flop these two. I have Jern Jackson Jr. And at 7, Anthony Edwards, and 6, I got Trey Young. so not that crazy yeah all the same pretty much we all have Lamello around 10 Lamello is like I think he's the biggest difference right now

between current and potential because he could get much higher if he can finally put together a healthy season with a competent team around him like I would expect next year he rises up this list extremely high but right now like 10's about as high

as you can put him right yeah facts with the amount of time that he's played and how rocky of a start that not only he has had but his whole team is disoriented Kelly Ube Jr. is averaging, he's averaging 17 shot attempts per game, bro. That team is fucked beyond.

Carrying my fantasy team through the playoffs right now. Yeah, there's a lot of wacky stuff going on over there. But regardless of the fact, Lamello is extremely nice, and his archetype of a player is extremely wearing his offense. I'm projecting a little bit, and I feel like we're all kind of projecting a little bit with how we ranked him. I think it's about where you should be right for right now. Trying to do zero projecting.

I think he's about right here. Yeah, okay, cool. I don't feel as bad. Interesting thing to me is we all had Jaron Jackson right above him. Before the year, I don't think anybody would have said that. But he's kind of proved himself this year as like a legit top tier defender, right? Yeah, absolutely. He's going to win defensive player at the year.

Yeah, probably. Unless Brooke Lopez makes a hell of a run or something. But yeah, Jerry Jaron is like, how do you weigh that with, because I know we talked about a power four tier list a couple weeks ago? And like I had him A tier, y'all had him B. Do you all still stand on that? Or do you kind of like, would you elevate him now that you see like top tier defense, pretty fucking good offense too? Like, you know what I mean?

With how stark, with how different the Memphis Grisys look without him on the court, I definitely would put him in the A tier. Let's go. Yeah, I definitely put him in the heat of a tier. They fall off defensively without him. Yeah, I'll probably agree. Good. Vindication.

One difference I see here is me and Donner. Donovan both have Darius Garland right above Jaron Jackson. Mo, you flip them. Is that just for the things we're talking about? You just think that defensive impact is higher than anything Garland brings? Yeah. Like, as I was explaining my list, I said, I don't know if I genuinely would have Darius Garland or would rather have Jared,

Jordan Jackson, Jr. over Darius Garland. But I just, like, valued that defense so much. And I don't want to say that Dary's Garland is having a down year, but it's like a slate, he's not as efficient, I believe, off the top of my head as he was last year. So that kind of ticked it down for me. been F fantastic superb player and that's very flippable and switchable to me you know okay yeah so I'm not standing on yeah they're all one spot next each other so it can't be that

big of a difference yeah we all had Trey young above Anthony Edwards and that was kind of debatable for me did you all struggle with that at all or was that do you think is Anthony Edwards not there yet for you he's he's just not there yet for me um I still I still think that that Trey's passing is still like on another level than Anthony Edwards and defensively like I I like it is a better defender but I I don't think like it's worlds better than yeah definitely not you know what I'm saying the word young is I mean everybody's world's better but and it's not like and it's a crazy impactful defender so I see what you mean yeah so I I because because of that I

like to value um Trey's passing ability a bit more and Trey's a listen he's a he's a good shooter he's a good creator so I think I think he's better right now Okay. I'm a bit surprised you put him above Zion. Is it a healthy? Have you like had to put down down a little bit? It's purely healthy. If Zion was healthy, Zion was healthy, he might be too on this list. Like, the way he, the way he was playing at the start of the season before he was getting hurt, we had, when we did our top 30 list, he was top 10 for me. And yeah, and crazy. And so it's just, he just hasn't been able to be out on, on the floor. But in terms of, in terms of how he stacks up against other other young players, he still, I would still rather

have zion today and the potential of him on the floor than a lot of other guys yeah i rated everybody for if they were healthy i was like i'm just trying to say who's the best players so i mean i held it against zion a little bit because like he's not one or two but i gave him the top five nod like because i mean when he's healthy that's what he is eventually we get to a point where like he's never healthy he just can't be in this tier but yeah i just didn't i didn't i didn't try to conflict much with like trade value or anything like that's when the health really comes into factor so if I'm like just doing best players I think he's better than Trey right now

but it's obviously it's debated yeah if we're yeah if we're doing that I can I can see that I just he's he's been gone for a majority of the year he has it's not hasn't been great for a majority of his career even like it's it's looking grim we're a very pro's eye on podcast

and it's pie in the face a little bit yeah but the reason why I didn't have him as low as you Donovan is because like when he is playing it's it looks like aside of like this earlier this season when he was kind of looking he wasn't the zon that we knew but um when he is playing you see it and he's already there and he doesn't need as many reps as like anyone else with how much time he's missed and it's like just asinine to see just how good he is

off the wrist how little preparation that he needs you know fact like imagine if he was healthy and had actual development time for his last three years oh my god it would be ridiculous how good he'd be like it's it's honestly like a tragedy how injured he's been and like how little we've seen of what could be yeah exactly well this is a gamble with him this was a gamble with him you know yeah but uh to touch on well okay that's cool but um to touch on the tray young thing i i definitely see a world in where people would want to put anthony edwards over trey young but i feel like over the let's say like I want to say like 30 games Trey has he's been better

he's been a lot better offensively a lot more efficient as a season has gone on he just he just had one of the worst starts to his career yeah it's bad no not to his career but he just had a terrible start to the NBA season and as time has went on and has like things have shifted with the Atlanta Hawks he's normalized in more of a nuisance

yeah he's but he's exactly what you just said Isaac and also he's been more of a nuisance on the defensive and the defense will never be his thing okay you keep saying that I'm not buying it. You don't have to buy it. The stats will, though, all right? Because if you look at...

What stats are positive about for you? Over the last 20 games of his career, not to say that steals means that you're a good defender, but over the last 20 games of his career or this season or whatever way you want to put it, if you look at the list, all right, and see what type of names that's around him. He's averaged about one, almost two steals a game, and around him you see guys like Matisse Stuyah, Herb Jones, O.G. Anonobie, Kawhi, Leonard, Chey, Alexander, all these big assesies. I don't care. He's by far the way.

weakest dude over here you don't have to care but that just goes to show that like him in his effort defensively and the continuous growth that he's been trying to make has been there just a couple nights ago he put up the greatest defensive performance that he's ever done in the entire in his NBA career a couple nights ago bro and like ben simmons best shooting performance of his career one made you have to you have to watch bro it's like little things like coming in and being an absolute bastard while a player on the on the on the that offensive in is trying to post it, he comes and rips away the ball. That's the type of stuff that he needs to do.

Just be unknowing. No one's asking you to stay in front of your man on a consistent basis. And when I see things like that from Trey, and once he, like, gets all the other, like, all offensive kinks that he has to his game correct, he's easily going to be like top five, top four, I think next year is his last time, last chance to be a top 24 player. So, yeah, I would put him higher, but sadly he's not at offensive just yet. Okay The top of this episode

We said 25 We said we're doing under 25 years old, right? Yeah Yeah Okay Some reason I felt like I didn't say it for a second And I was like hold on Could have nailed that better

Okay I'll see your point Let's move on to this top five Here's my top five Number five I have Tyrese Halliburton Number four I have Zion Williamson Three, Shea Gildes Alexander Two John Morant

And one Luca Donchich Ooh two John Moran Okay I don't have John Moran at two I don't have my two I don't Here's what are we doing Here's here's my list

So I have Trey Young at 5 I have Tyreys Halliburton at 4 I have Jai at 3 I have Shea at 2 And I have Luca at 1 Listen Wow

Just because Jal wants the gang bang Doesn't mean I think he's not Amazing It's not even like that And as we're as we're saying this A tweet just came out Saying that the Jami Entered a counseling program

He's going to for him. Yeah. There's, there's no, uh, there's no timetable for his return to play, but he's entering the counseling program in Florida. So good for him for going out, you know, doing, doing what he needs to do to get back right. Hope everything works out. Aside from all the other stuff that comes around with with Jai, I think that Shay's ability to be in a very, very impactful, uh, score in the paint in the same way that that Jai is, right? And, be able and be able to play

a little bit better defense than Jah? Yeah, that's fair. I think he's better. Yeah, I think he's better. I think the offensive impact of Jaws is still a little higher, more. I think his creation is passing a little better. For sure, you could say that they're comparable scores

in that She's a better defender, Jaws better passer, but you think she's passing is closer than Jaws' defense is. I get it, but I just, maybe it's a winning bias thing. Maybe it's like, that's the thing when I did, like, try to look at is that maybe I'd just say that because Zion's been on, I mean, because Jaws been on winning teams. Maybe I'm holding that against Shea a little bit, but I don't know.

I don't think that's nothing to argue over back and forth with, for real, because like, I don't know, like, Shea's game, Shai's game. Shy. Yeah. Is that how you say it? No. No, it's Shay, right? It's Shay. That's Shay.

First off, Mo, tell us your top five, Mo. Yeah. cool. My top five at number five, it's tough, but I had to look at myself in the mirror. Tyrese Halliburn is top five. All right. Number four is I got Shea, three, I got John Morant, two. I still have gone on Williamson. And number one, obviously, like Luca, I don't know. I mean, if they're healthy, if you're doing if healthy, it's a fine argument, I guess, like Zion is that good. But I had to draw a line somewhere with the health thing. And that line happens to be. exactly at Shea Gilders-Elexander and John Morant. Yeah, understandable.

That's fair. But I get it. It's not terrible. We all have Luca one, obviously. You don't even got to talk about it. It's fucking Luca. I'm going to click bait the thumbnail. I'm going to put number one and put John Morant.

It's just the piss people of. That's beautiful. I love that. Oh, my God, but you're evil. But yeah, I just feel like I put Zion at number two because I feel like if he was just to hop in right now back, if you magically are healthy and hopped in right now,

into whatever crazy race is happening right now, the Western Conference that changes and shifts things a lot and I feel like he'll have that top of impact to where the Pelicans are not completely written off anymore and they're I agree with you have to account for I I agree with you if he was if he was healthy he would be two for me as well I the stuff got the stuff that we were seeing at the beginning of the year was crazy like it's MVP type numbers MVP type performance the pelicans were rolling first in the west all that like everything that you want from one of You know, the best young players...

Just best players in general, Zion was giving everybody a look on all facets. And so, yeah, if he's healthy, I think he's better than Shay and I think he's better than Jai. But he just, he just can't stay healthy. Yeah. So you guys both had Tyrese. Actually, you had Tyrese at four Donovan above Trey. Yeah. So talk about that.

Talk about that a little bit. Listen, man, Tyrese is just nice like that. Tyrese is just nice like that. He's a better passer than, than, you know. Trey um i think he's a he's a better creator i think he's that's tough though because tray's a good passer you're like he he some people are going to disagree you're right you're 100% right but people are going to disagree because tray is big assist numbers but you're right i think i think i think tires um yeah i think i think i think tiree can set up people

into into into better looks than than tray can i think in terms of carrying an offense tyrese is more efficient now he doesn't take the shots that tray takes i understand i understand that I understand he's not he's not taking all the threes they're not in the same like also dribble way that Trey is but at his at his frame he's he's able to score at a very very high level and yeah 60% true shooting he's legitimately elite efficiency score yeah so I think with with both of those things and again basically 95% of the league being a better defender than Trey young

I think I think there's a lot of you know runway to Tirees being better Yeah, that's fair, honestly. I mean, now that I see it, we all had him above Tray Young. I don't know why in my head it was only you, but we all had in one spot ahead. Yeah, you're waiting to pounce on me. You know what you're doing? I had Tray at six. I forgot and then Tyrese at five.

He was setting Mo up. Yeah, exactly. We all agree. For common knowledge. This was supposed to be in, bro. Yeah, like, I agree with, I'll agree with the most of the things that all you guys are saying about. Tyrese Halliborne, just the productivity that he's having this season. I think everyone knew who was good,

but I don't know if anyone thought that he was this damn good and would be this, like, level of efficient of a score. Not I. At the end of Pacers this season. 60% true shooting with a shot form like that? Like, bro, do you understand how tough it is? Do you understand how tough it is to hit contested shots with the way he shoots at that high of a clip?

It's ridiculous, bro. and then also his ability to set people up and I feel like my biggest thing when it comes to the passing thing with Trey is that I feel like the ball just sticks to his hand way too much and with Tyrese Halliborne is just 100% instinctive and Trey this season

specifically this season has just like a one directional type of passing you know and I would say like throughout the past years of his career completely different story but this season there's just something off with him there's just something off with him now in terms of scoring the ball I think

Try Young is still like this he's just a better bucket getter he gets a bucket buckets off way easier gets his line he's a free throw merchant bro obviously and um he has one of the best floater games in the entire NBA but like in terms of just like not I feel like at times I can see Troy Young hinder the offense and I watch Tyrese I never get that feeling whatsoever the game just comes to him he that's whoa yeah you're right Tray Young is a very good assist getter you can say he's a good passer, but he's not like, his numbers are deceiving for his level as a playmaker. This season, damn it?

Tyrese is a true playmaker. Like, he will create shots for others, keep the ball moving. Like, difference in passing and playmaking is this argument right here. One person gets assist, one person creates shots for others. Yeah. Which seems like, yeah. It seems like that's like saying a whole lot of nothing to like when you first think about it because like, oh, getting assists, that's what the name of the game is how you'd be a good

passer. But it's kind of hard to explain, right? Like, it's kind of like you have to like, it's not you what you understand. Because, like, if you're, if you're talking about getting assist, if you're getting assist, sometimes those assists are built in because of the scheme and the system, right? Like, you know, you know, because of the play that a coach draws, an action is going to happen. And if it, and if the defense plays the way that you think they are, there's going to be a person open somewhere. And so, Tray's, Tray's able to go and go through that motion and just take what is there. Tyrese is able to look at something

and no matter what the defense is in he can he can shape-shift things if the first read isn't there he's able to find another read and then and then hit the past and he's able to have the ball in his hands and it's more like

he's more like he's calling the play because he knows what's going to happen and then he can set up a person that way you know this season I would say if that first read isn't there for train young what like outside is the first reason there for Tray Young he'll take the ball back

and run it back and he'll spam until it's there. That's what it looks like. A lot of the best passers, the best passers know sometimes you make a pass that's like the pass to the assist. If you're going to pick and roll and they double you and then the defender from the corner slides down to the big man, you throw it to the big man because he can hit

the corner. Trayon won't do that. He'll only hit the pass if he can hit the corner and get the assist. Exactly. If he thinks it's a guaranteed bucket, like a direct path to guarantee bucket, he's doing it. But But if he requires more than one other person to touch the ball, he's not doing it. This season, he's not doing it. It's proactive versus reactive, right?

Like, who reacted to defenders while truly top-ter-passer is proactive and moves them in a way. It's so big basketball. That's what it is. Stap pattern. Yeah, exactly. Trent Young, he has some things to work on this season. But we got Quinn Snyder and we're playing better basketball. I hope so.

He'll be all right. Hey, man. That's our top 25 under 25. It was a rough road to get here. But you'll see it on everybody's screen right now on our names. You'll see our full list. After numerous fuck-ups, here's our top 25 list. Wow.

Now, we have something else bigger we're going to do. So it's March, and that means it is March Madness season. And if you know what March Madness, the highlight is everybody makes brackets of everything. Yes, sir. And we are no different. We are no better than your average YouTuber. We're going to do an NBA bracket. Let's get into it.

Is this part of TikTok time or is this separate? This is clip time. This is midform time. It's like TikTok time. It's made to be another video, but it's a little different. So we're not going to call TikTok time, but it's damn near. Okay. So let me start my screen recording on my computer because I have to record this to put in the video.

So yeah, I made a bracket on this website of all 30 teams. Normally a bracket is 32 teams. So the format's a little weird because two teams have a first round by. So that kind of messed up a little bit. Yeah. So what I did instead of. doing random is I um I ordered it by standing as if there was no conferences and we were just doing you know the best teams in the league so right now everybody can see it on the screen

now I'm screen recording the bucks are the one seed and the Celtics are the two seed so they have first round buys all right it's March Madness season let's do this full NBA bracket got the arms going let's go let's go let's go we scroll so you can see it all so the first matchup we have the jazz versus the mavericks who is winning an one-game series. The Mavs. You can't bet against the- Ritorful question.

Yeah. I'll take the Mavis. Yeah. I want to take Utah so bad, but I'll take, I'll take Dallas. Are you going to trust Lauer-Markey? Listen,

they just played, they just played like last week, and it was a close game. Yeah. It's a very close game. No, the Chas are a good team. Yeah. If the Jazz didn't do their trade

to get rid of Jared Van and Millee and Millie Beasley and Mike Conley, maybe I would have been like, hey, listen, listen, there's a reason they have the same amount of wins. It's one game But because they did that And it's all on Larry Markening's Shoulders we gotta go to the Mavericks

Yeah exactly bro Upsets will happen in his bracket So don't be talking crazy in those comments So the Mavericks move on There we go Next up The Knicks versus the Wizards You know what it is

I'm gonna get the Wizards I got the Wizards Shut up listen It's one game good I like the Wizards Julius Randall If Jalen Brunson is there Yes, I'm taking the Knicks I'm going to Knicks

Come on Wow, okay Yeah, I get it The Wizards are more respectable Than people give them credit for Because they're so mid on paper That people like to make fun of them But that mid-three is a solid team

Like they're mid not trash for a reason They have three 20 points scores Who the hell let that happen I think What is RJ Barrett average You ever's like 18 so The Knicks damn near you do too That's disgusting bro

Let's go with the Knicks All right cool Thank you. We're going to trust Jalen Brunson a little bit. Okay. He's the dissatisfactor. We're in a crazy world right now that Jalen Brunson is better than Bradley Biel. Wow, I didn't even think about that, bro.

How'd that happen? Bradley Bills fall off and he's to be dedicated to a documentary. Yeah, exactly, bro. If you, if anyone... We don't care that much. We don't. We do not care. Hey, you...

Man, let me not get into that. All right, whatever. Listen, no, I know. Listen, I know what I said. I know what I said. I know what I said about Washington, but, like, it hasn't gone the way that I thought it was going to go. I'll stand on it, but let's move on. Okay.

Nets versus Pacers. This is good. This is a good game. It is. So Bridges versus Halliburton dueling? That Claxton versus Miles Turner down low? Yeah. This is, like, definitely matchup dependent.

Yeah. Because the Nets are going to play small ball and stretch them out and defend them. but I think Miles Turner is one of the big is equipped for that I kind of want to go Pacers but it's kind of close I think I want to go I'll go I'll go I will go with Indiana on this I'll go Pacers I'll go Pacers I don't know if you want to bet on this version of McHall Bridges

I'd rather bet on this version of Tyrese Halliburton man this is tough because the patients have fallen off down the standings because they've dealt with a lot of injuries and just like regression to the mean, but earlier in the year when we saw them clicking before people got hurt, they were legit. And not to say the nets aren't pretty good too, but they have a losing record since the trade. I'll say that. Yeah, true. We're going Pacers. Yeah, Pacers. Let's do it. Awesome. Seventy Sixers versus Rockets. Give me the rockets. Give me

Jalen Green. Alperin Sangoon is going to be the MVP this game. Listen, they took, they took them to double overtime earlier in the year. So it's kind of a toss-up. Anything's possible. He's going to be serious We're taking Obviously, it's 76ers. All right. James Tarton is going to be, don't disrespect 40%

3. Listen, Dave Tarn is going to be back in Houston. There's going to be a lot of strip clubs, a lot of strip clubs for him to visit again. He might be tired. Who knows?

That's a good point. We're assuming Houston has home field advantage for some reason, but it's a good point. That is true. Would that really be a home quarter advantage? Dun, dun,

advantage. Either way the 76ers win. Yeah. Indeed is destroying them. Warriors versus Pelicans. I'll take the Warriors. I don't want to talk about this.

The pelicans are ass right now. Yeah. Post-Zion pelicans are horrible. Plus, the Ingram has been hurt. But if they're both healthy, I'd probably still lean warriors. But Zion doesn't exist anymore,

so you can't even do if they're both healthy. It's the Warriors. Warriors. Next. I'll be with yon like, who are this, bro. Zion Williamson is a friend made along the way. Cavs versus Spurs.

Are we trusting... Are we trusting Bronham? Brandum, I don't know. Let's just go Cleveland. Yeah, I don't even want to talk about it. Nathan Bronham or whatever, yeah. Al-Qa-Qa-Qa. Okay, Clippers versus Raptors.

Cool. Keep in mind, Russell Westbrook is on the Clippers. What you're trying to say that? You're so wrong for that. I mean, it's a good thing. thing. They have playmaking now. These have been very fine. No, I'm kidding. It's the Clippers.

The Raptors are mid. They've been solid since Yaka Perto came in, but I'm, are you picking them over Kauai Leonard and Paul George in a one game series? I'm not. Hell no. Give me Tailu, Kauai and Paul George. We got to start picking some upsets.

We're going straight chalk. Listen, it's the first round. It's the first round. That's when the upsets happen. Okay, this is a good one to think about it. Timberwolves versus Thunder. Give me the Thunder. This is really, this is not really.

really an upset. I guess we got to assume we got to assume Carl Lenton Towns isn't there because he hasn't come back yet, he's been injured for so long. Yeah. No cat. Okay, C. Are we picking O'KC? Oh, I'm out voted. Doesn't it doesn't it matter what I pick? It's fucking no KC. There we go. Yeah. Shout out Shea Gilles Alexander. Shout out of Shane Gaines-Gay and Gating.

Okay. Oh, we'll mess up. I'm going to mess up a little bit. Okay. The Grizzlies versus the magic. At this point... We're taking the magic. Yep. This is the upset. This is the magic. We are not picking the magic. We are not picking the magic. I'm not allowing that. We're picking Mark Hale false. It's two versus one. It's two versus one.

Shut up. We're not going to mess with his election. Why? This is Paula Bancaro's time. This game will show you why he's on my list. Palo Bancaro has not made a shot in six months. We're not picking them. Franz Wagner's there.

Yeah. I'm putting the Grizzlies. You're unsurious. I'm vetoing this as a person holding scoreboard. I'm very serious right now. No, yeah. What are we doing? You want to look our audience in the eye with integrity and tell them that you are picking

the worst team in the conference against. against the number two seed they're not the worst team in the come here we go I'll look at the camera right now I am picking the Orlando magic to beat the Memphis Grizzlies in a one game series and I second that I am podcasting with a pair of bozos and I have no choice but to click magic all right I'm it's in huh there you go upsets have to happen bro this is the upset this is the If any team's going to have an upset, it's the Memphis disease. They don't have Brandon Clark.

Stephen Adams is gone. John Morant, we're just, we just have to assume that he's gone. There's no real way to you want to select the Memphis where he's confidently, confidently, bro. This man, he's putting his faith in Dylan Brooks. Yeah, that's crazy. I can mind. You're bad. He was the highest Jones and Desmond Baird.

That's Bill and Brooks. Bencham. Yeah. No, man. Okay. Sons versus Bulls. Katie's going to be back soon and later. I think we can assume Katie's there.

yeah katie you're not take the sons we'll take your boy diadra aton too we'll take the son let's go i think it's more an indictment on the bulls being terrible than it is anything about dionadryton yeah we just we just had to throw his name in there callback nuggets versus pistons i'm not i don't want you guys to say a single word i'm going to click nuggets keep your mouth shut okay yeah yeah i agree that for sure hawks versus lakers crazy what here's the cool hawks versus lakers the interesting one i will take the los angeles lakers i will also take the los angeles lakers yeah with the way that they've been playing bro jerry vanderbilt is a terror he's so good i have as a lakers fan i have personally

fall in love and i'm personally willing to say i will sacrifice my life at the altar for jared vanderbilt this dude is a munch oh my goodness i can't believe he said that oh my goodness yeah we're bringing the lakers here ad healthy lebron assuming he comes back Come on. We're not picking Troy Young and Dejante Murray. Hawks are way too dysfunctional right now on the court. But they've been better, but they're not. You said it's so sad saying that sentence.

That's crazy. Kings versus Hornets. I'll take the Kings easy. Beam, too. King is scoring 200. Light the beam. Heat versus Trailblazers. Oh, this is good one.

This is good. I don't think it's good at all. The Trailblazers suck. It's the heat. Come on. But the heat are ass too, bro. The heat are solid. They're like the six seed right now.

Bro, are they really solid? The Trailblazers is a 13 seed The Trailblazers are horrible They have 31 wins right now But they have Damien Lillard They've had them one game They have them now It's not helping

But it's one game though The heat are Four and six in their last 10 Exactly even ass Now do the Trailblazers Three and seven I mean it's like a one game difference But like

Yeah I'm picking Damien I'm picking the best star on the court It's Miami heat Come on It's the heat But we got to pick some upsets No we don't

We're loaded though bro This is round one We don't have to do upsets You do They're not a call They're coming They're coming The upset will be here

I promise It's the heat If you want to say heat I won't be mad If you see turblers I'll be mad We'll go heat Thank guys

We'll watch a Treblers's game In the recent months They're fucking ass. No, they are, but like, it's one game, anything can happen. Yeah, exactly. Listen, there's limits to anything as possible. No, one game is one game, bro.

Yeah. And then you and BC beat Virginia, you know what I'm saying? You'll be led astray. You'll be led astray when you see Jeremy Grant giving them boys buckets, bro. Oh, my God. The Lakers were down 28, 28 points, and nobody had come back from that. And then they did. Stuff happens.

It's one game, bro. Anything can happen. Okay, the Bucks versus the Mavericks. Bucks. Not, I'm going to think about it. I don't blame you. They're wiping their ass, bro, bucks. I'm letting you know right now.

If it's a matchup involving the Bucks, I'm taking the Bucks. Yeah, I didn't even have to think about it. That is fair logic. Nix versus Pacers. This is where an upshank you come in. I'm going to go Nix, though. I don't think the Pacell have enough firepower. We'll take the Nix.

With Jalen Brunson. Okay. Tyrese is better, but Julius Randall and with Josh Hart now as I actually have a connecting piece on the wing. I can't pick the facers. Mr. Robinson is healthy. Have R.J. Barrett. The Knicks actually have death now.

Like, come on. Yeah, exactly. You suck, you suck, Lowe. All right, what's next? Now here, here is time for upset. 76ers versus Warriors. Is this? Listen.

Yeah. The favorite's got to be the 76ers, but are we picking Joel and Beat and James Hardin over Steph Curry in a one-game series? If they were going to have a meltdown, it would be in this game. Where are they? Are they in Golden State? Neutral site. Actually, no, okay. The sixers are the higher seed. They're in 76ers. Okay, that I'll take them. Oh, yeah, the Warriors' world record, they're like 27. Oh, good point. They can't win on the road.

You're right. Okay, so 76ers. Yeah, six. The defending chance to bow out in the second round. It was a good run. It would be a classic Doc Rivers thing for them to lose at home. Facts. You're totally right. Yeah. Okay. Caves versus Clippers.

This is an interesting one. I'm going to think the Cavs. And I don't think it, I don't think it's like. The calves are really good. It's not hard for me. Come on. The Clippers have been a little, because they haven't been healthy, they've been dysfunctional. They can't really get it together.

But in a one game series, Kauai and Paul George. Listen, they don't got to play Russell. Westbrook down the stretch if they don't want to. The last time I saw the Clippers with their backs against the last two times. They, they won had, uh, what happened? I can't remember, okay, I can't remember the second of the last time. But the last time that there was like a game seven, one game scenario, Paul George is hitting shots off the side of the backboard.

So I'm taking the caps. But the next season after that, Paul George beat the jazz by himself and made it to the conference finals. Backs. Now, we have discussed this before. Okay, okay. I don't want to get into Rudy Go Bair discourse. I didn't mean to trigger that. You know my thoughts. Good save, Isaac.

Okay, where are you going, Mo? Cavs are Clippers? Am I the tiebreaker on this one? I haven't said my choice yet. I'll be the tiebreaker. Oh, man. I think I have to go with Kawhi Leonard. He's been hooping, though.

I think I feel Clippers as well. The Cavalers, one game series, one game series, I got to go, Kaui Leonard. Kaui Leonard's back. It's hard to ignore because one of the kids. of my biggest critics about or one of my biggest critiques about the cleveland cavaliers is that they have a hole that i thought in the three spot but i think of coro over the as time has going on is three points percentage has been jumping out the roof incrementally so when did we start trusting the clippers when did that happen listen i don't know they're not going to go that much

further but i don't i just think matchup wise the way the the the clippers can go small and stretch out the calves with their two big lineups it's going to be hard to rush that granted the two bigs are pretty mobile but I don't know if I can see the Cavs out shooting them and I don't know if I see the Cavs defense being a great matchup to stop the Clippers Yeah exactly I don't think the Cavs It's just a matchup thing

Either And the Cavs biggest weakness is winged up And they're going against the best wing duo in the NBA Who cares about that? Who cares about that? I forgot Paul George is a pussy You gotta just go off of it? It's not even like that but Donovan Mitchell

himself can elevate himself to peak performance at times. And I know, I know Kauai can do that. No, listen, I know Kauai can do that as well. But they are loaded everywhere. They are loaded everywhere. And we just haven't seen the Klippers

been able to do it at all this season, like for a consistent stretch. Listen, one game. They don't need a constriction's consistent stretch. If it's one game, bro, give me Kauai Leonard. Like, fuck the consistent. I'd pick the Cavs in a series, but one game I'm picking the Clippers. I think that's a great

Way to cap this off, I think. I'm taking the cabs in both. Celtics versus Thunder. We got to use the Celtics. Yep. Next. Magic versus Suns. Got to pick the Suns.

We'll take the Suns. Yeah. Next. Nuggets versus Lakers. This is what everybody's talking about in the media. Everyone wants to say, Yokesh is a fraud. The Lakers would beat them in the first round. The real playoffs.

Yo, everyone is waiting to get their defensive highlights. Highlight clips of Yokic out in their fair. Facts. We are salivating. Yeah, they're waiting for them. So, which way are we going? Are we picking the upset, Lakers? If LeBron is healthy, it's so hard seeing.

Yeah, one game, LeBron's the same logic. It's the same logic. Bando? I think I got to go with the Lakers, man. I think I'm taking the Lakers. Yeah. Okay, let it be known I'm taking the Nuggets. I'm scared to pick the offset.

I'll go safe, but I'm outvoted. We're taking the Lakers. It's so hard to have been against a healthy LeBron James. Danzo was playing the weight. A healthy yokech, though. I guess last time we saw Yokic have helped, he made the conference finals, but he lost to the Lakers. Exactly. No, I'm going to go Lakers.

There's only one kryptonite for Yokish in the league right now, and it's Anthony Davis. Anthony Davis is the only one that's actually been able to slow him down in the playoffs. Yeah, exactly. And you have Anthony Davis who can focus a little bit more on the defensive end and not have to carry as much offensively because he has shooters and Delo and Michael Beasley and he has a defensive. Yeah, he can tell me, Okiech has to deal with him and Vando? What? Michael Beasley, too. he's walking through those doors

yeah okay next one kings versus heat we're going kings i'll take the kings yeah yeah give the kings light the beam

yeah they don't have the heat they're too old for them bro we're at the elite eight are we won bucks or nicks bucks we're going with the bucks

wasn't even a thought okay 76ers or clippers oh man two How do we trust the 76ers? Two chokers. Who do you trust the least?

Oh, it has to be. I don't know. Who do you trust more in Bid or Kauai? Kaui is more trustworthy than the playoffs, but Mbid when healthy is Mbid. Yeah, but like. But they have Doc Rivers and James Hardin. Yeah, and Embed has given me reason to not trust him

because something's always wrong with this, man. Are we going to let the Clippers make a final four run? I just. Said the Clippers had to be out. Oh, my goodness. I'm frustrated. He has a stomach issue or, like, he's in, like, notably, like, he starts to deteriorate. Put the Clippers in.

Put the Clippers in the Final Four. Clippers it is. Damn, that's fucking weird. It's weird, bro. The Cinderella run for. All right. Celtics versus Suns. Is this where the Celtics run ins?

I mean, where the Suns run ins? Yeah. Yeah. Celtics it is. Give me the Celtics. Celtics were a lock for Final Four, no matter who they played pretty much. For sure. Elite team.

Here's the real test of your faith in the Lakers. Lakers or Kings? Lakers. Like the beam! Give me the Lakers. Give me the Lakers. Yeah, Lakers. You can't like the beam if you don't play a look at the defense.

The Kings are a great team. When it comes down to it, they're not going to have the interior defense to stop the most unstoppable finishing to win the league. They won't need it. They won't need it. They're going to run up the floor every single play. The 175, 175 game, they are going to try and recreate that every single time.

And I promise you, LeBron's old needs will not be able to keep up. Jared Vanderbilt is going to run down the court and snatch block to Monta Sabonis every time he runs. He's not going to do nothing. He's not going to do anything. We're picking the Lakers. Let it be known.

We had the Lakers and Clippers in our final four. This is madness. This is March Madness for real. This is kind of nasty. I ain't going to like to you. Who fuck the city bias? It's match and basically. That's the beauty of March Madness.

We would never pick them for the conference finals in real life, but this is different. but bucks or clippers come on bucks this is where the clippers run ends it's the bucks kawai i've given you a lot of grace up to this point you're not getting shit against yannis

yeah you can't survive against the yonnes bro sorry now the other cinderella run celtics or lakers celtics did we have to think about it at all are y'all gonna put these lakers in the championship no give me those celtics come on

I would personally, I would pick Cut most of my coffee Keep it moving What are we doing? What are we doing? Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right. It's the Celtics. So, in the most chalked fashion possible, the finals is the two one seeds.

Are we going the bucks or the Celtics? We're going with the bucks. This is hard, but you can't just decide that easy. They took them to seven games Without Chris Middleton last year. And that was the best version of Boston. They've regressed a little bit.

Milwaukee has gotten Chris Middleton back. Whenever all of them are healthy, they're rolling. This is the year. Milwaukee's the one C-R-R-N-R-N-A-now, and they've gotten like a week and a half of good Chris Middleton play combined on the season.

If he's getting his legs under him and he's back to prime self, you said the Celtics regress. It's that defense has regressed a little bit. Those lineups at Horford and Robert Williams aren't as dominant, which you're going to need those big lineups against Janice,

Alta de Kumpo. Yep. And if Robert Williams isn't having the same defensive impact, I don't know how you could pick the Celtics. That's right.

Talk to me. I don't think Malcolm Brogan is walking through those doors and stopping them. Yeah, exactly. It's going to be tough. I think it's definitely going to be like a seven-game series,

for sure. Well, this is a one-game series. This is a March Madness game. Damn, you're right. For God it's the one game series. Yeah, one game I definitely trust Janus way more than Jason Tatum. I definitely do that, bro.

Ladies and gentlemen, the Milwaukee Bucks are your NBA March Madness champions. Woo! Light the beam! Shout to the bucks, man. Shout to Janus.

Fear the deers. NBA, great career, man. There it is. That's fun. It's going to be a good video. We're going to turn that into its own video outside the podcast.

Lit. All right, what's next? Mo magic on that thing. Now, ladies and gentlemen, an hour and a half into the show, it is TikTok time. Damn. Woo-hoo.

We're only going to do a couple of these because this is a long, episode. We're only going to do a couple TikToks because we have some extras because, like I said, I'm going on vacation, so I prep some beforehand. But we got a few. As always, we're going to do what we always do. We're going to start with a draft. You know what we're going to do this time. We're going to do a draft with, it's not a Celtics all-time draft, but it's a draft of only players who have played for the Celtics. Did you guys have time to prep for this? Sure. This is why you lose the drafts. No, it's not.

all right no it's not you lose for other reasons yeah yeah let's run it hold on let me pull my camera back up because I had a screen record so there you go so let me put this over here okay yeah so I said it for a second the rules are any player that played for the Celtics is on the table okay let's have NBA lineups with only players who played for the Celtics at some point in their career and I had first pick last time so it's me third who went second I think it was Donovan's second i had second last no i had third no yes it's you you could you pick john morat in second uh mo so you're first i'm first okay cool yep you then donovan than me

okay cool only players versus celtics all right so with the first overall pick it's kind obvious give me larry bird okay all right i don't think it's super obvious but there's another option who's the other option uh i will take kevin garnett Oh, okay. My first overall peak. Okay. Interesting. Huh.

So there's like three really good players I could pick here. Mm-hmm. Okay. So Larry Bird's gone, so I need to... Okay. First off, give me Shaq. We're my first pick. Okay.

Prime Shaq, easy. Nice. I wanted to pick... My next pick, I wanted to pick Bill Russell, but the fit with two non-shooting bigs. I'm not going to do that. So give me Jason Taylor. him okay it's a bit high it's him or paul pierce but give it to me okay all right

can tell him who you got donovan that's cool um give me who do i want who do i want more i think at his peak actually no give me i'll take paul pierce yeah he's you got you got to pick him for what you have already yeah okay cool all right so give me so i have larry bird right now give me Kyrie Irving and also Bill Russell You have the two

Best Celtics of all time That stuff Yeah Yep I'm coming for blood Yeah I read I've been reading All them comments

I did my study We're just We're just building The 2008 Celtics Over here Give me Ray Allen Nice I like that

Okay So I have back to back Picks This is tough I have a three And a five Which don't want to go with this

I'm just going to pick I'm going to build a current Celtics plus Shaq give me Jalen Brown okay that's funny and then I'm going to slide Jason Tatum to my four give me John Havlicek for my three that's a solid

all right so I need a point guard and I need a five or I can slide we might just go really wing Um, I, I think we're going to go wing dominant here. Give me, give me Dominique Wilkins.

Wait, who? I forgot he played for the Celtics. I'll take Dominique Wilkins. Oh. And I will end up, yeah, and I'll end up putting him at the four. Pierce at the three, Ray Al-A. Pretty small, but okay. This is nice, I like that, Donovan.

I like the, so we're, what's your team so far right now? So I have, I need a point guard, but I have Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, Dominique Wilkins, and then KG. Yeah, very, very small, very small, but we got some bucket getters. Well, I have John Havlicek, Jalen Brown, Jason Tatum, and Shaq. Shack, Shaq's carrying. Shack, a hell of wings. Yeah, that's hell of nice. All right, so right now I have Kyrie Irving, Larry Bird.

Bill Russell This is a nice team that I have This is really sexy Alright so I gotta go Now this is where it gets kind of tough Kind of ugly Yeah But

You know what I didn't know Pistol Pete He played for the Celtics He did I literally had zero idea I'm literally just now learning this shit and that man had a career average of 44 points what position was he the two was like a combo guard yeah okay comagord so give me give me pistol pete next to

kairie irving and then i won't pick correct that's the most handles possible and the least amount of defense possible yeah absolutely so i got kairie whoa man you're absolutely right about that damn so i got bill russell larry bird kairie pistol peter my offense is pretty much unstoppable with my defense is like it won't stop shit either all right so I need a good defender um you know what this is the this is the this is the give me Kevin McHale give me Kevin McHale I might a good pick yeah give me Kevin McHale I was about a full of those drafts every 40 year old Celtics fan is to pick your team in an instant oh yeah absolutely but you got out of score me so good luck with that listen

Alright. Okay. Okay. I need a point guard. And I would, I would just round out this 08 Celtics thing. I would just take Rondo. However, in 2004 and 2005, Gary Payton played for the Boston Celtics. So I would be taking Gary Payton as my point guard. That's okay. That's a good pick. And I need a point guard as well. So I'm glad you didn't take Rondo. I'm going to say it again. I need a point guard as well. I'm very glad you didn't take Rondo. So I'm taking him now. Okay, nice. This is character development for Donovan, man. This is nice. This is nice. It's tough.

I wonder who won this draft. This is tight. So you have the two greatest Celtics of all times, so you're going to get a lot of comments. Yeah, for sure. I have Rondo, Jalen Brown, Havlichick, Tatum, Shack. I think my team fits extremely well. That's a good-ass team. Yeah.

Yeah. And then I have Gary Payton, Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, Dominique Wilkins and Kevin Garnett. It's a sick team. Your team's nasty. I got Kyrie, Pistol Pete, Larry Bird, Kevin McHale, and Bill Russell. I think you have the worst team in actual fit, but you have the best collection of names. I think your team would lose.

Do I have the worst team in terms of actual fit? Yeah, you have an undersized back court or no defense and a big front court with no shooting. I think your team would get clapped. I don't know. Clap. Wow. I don't know. I got Bill Russell.

As long as I got Bill Russell, I can't see my defense is terrible. I actually kill O'Neill. Who cares? He's spilled. But Bill Russell's been put in the basket. Okay. Cut that part right. Yeah.

It's Jack. Come on. Y'all are going to act. Oh, my God. This is tough. This is close. Okay. So next up, we're getting out of here real fast.

We have disrespectful dunks, and I'm going to do a quick 20 questions game. Let's do 20 questions real quick. Let's do it. I got it. I got it. got it because it's the reason we're doing this um you all got 20 questions to guess the NBA player I'm thinking about all right uh is this player a back court player no does this player have any facial hair he does not oh okay no facial hair is a big tell has this player ever made the east uh

Has this player ever made the conference finals? He has. Has this player ever made the finals? He has. Nice. Okay, okay. Has this player ever made an all NBA team? No, he has not.

Is this player a starter? Is this a starter? Yeah. Has this player made the NBA finals between the years 2015 up until now? yes he has was he a starter on those final teams let's see that's in the ear

that's a big tell no is this Richard Jefferson this is Richard Jefferson easy yo I don't think there's not many NBA players this is the ball man himself let's go I love the walking thumb man he's so great

it's fantastic top tier top tier I wanted to see how fast you guys would guess him I saw on my four you page I was like let me do 20 questions with him

and see what if all you guys think about it I hope he reacts to it that's the real goal to it that's your own purpose okay so last thing we're going to do is we're going to react

to we're going to talk about disrespectful dunks again and rate them based on how disrespectful they are and do that they're going to get out of here this long-ass episode yeah for sure

this is almost a a two-hour episode. Yeah. Damn. Content. Okay. Y'all write these NBA dunks based on how disrespectful they are.

First up, Dwayne Wade on Kendrick Perkins. I got to watch this again. Let me pull this out. Yeah, I'm going to watch it again. I'm going to lie to you. I just remember the spin move in the cabbage patch and that's it.

That's all you got to know. The spin move is so disgusting. That makes this a 10. Yeah. Listen, this you combine the spin move with the fact that it's on Kendrick Perkins sports media's number one enemy

Oh my goodness Yeah that's a 10 That's a 10 That's a 10 He gets the dunk The and one dunk He dances on him In his face

You can't dance on somebody on national television That's disrespectful That's a 10 And A way that embarrasses Kendrick Perkins Is a 10 to me And Wade's knees were hurt He did this injured

Like he was hurt This is even worse Is that all of Kendrick's Perkins teammates K, D, Hardin, Russell They were all trying to be emotionless As hell, bro They knew a witchess went down This is a top ten highlight

In this man's career Kendrick you're done for RAP Yeah J.R. Smith What's the guy's Neil? What's his first name? Gary. Gary Neal

J.R. Smith on Gary Neal I love this one I think this one is a I don't think it's disrespectful but it's like a nine it's like a nine though Kevin Harlan's call saying we've just seen a man fly

yeah listen that you know what that's crazy and the thing is that's such an accurate call just the pure show of athleticism and verticality and horizontality it's not a word

that J.R. Smith showed it's just amazing I don't even care that's not disrespectful like that it's breathtaking it's got to be high My thing is that, yeah, you look at the, I look at the, y'all look, fuck, I'm stubborn, bro. Y'all look at the dunk when it usually happens. I look at what happens after the dunk and Gary Neal was on the fucking floor for way too long.

No teammates, it took forever for his teammates to come up to him, bro. That has to be a tent. He literally looked like he possibly had a heart attack or something, bro. Like he just didn't happen to what happened. He didn't understand what happened. Like his teammates came way too late. If I was Gary Neal's teammate, bro, if I was Gary Neal, I'll be so. irritated at Tim Duncan, bro.

Do something. Help me. Push him. Shit. Tim Duncan is not the one. Tim Duncan is not the guy to come in and defend your honor like that. I can't imagine anybody caring about something less than Tim Duncan caring about a highlight dunk. That shit was to him was two points.

It might as well have been a hook shot. Yeah, bro. His immediate reaction must have been like, well damn, on to the next play. He's like, Gary, get back on defense. Get your ass up, Gary. It couldn't be me, bro. couldn't be me. Joelle M. Bede on Aaron Baines.

Let's pull this up again. I hate that I can't show these other people because they'll get copyright clapped, but yeah. No, but this is disgusting, though. This is disgusting. Yeah, yeah, it's not, it's nasty, it's nasty. Embed. Oh, my God.

Embed puts his whole, like, side of his body into Aaron Baines. If you make somebody fall on a dunk, plus two, at minimum. Minimum, like you go up a whole. a whole level score. And it's in the playoffs. You dunked on me on national TV, on international national TV. Bro.

Juel and B. has to weigh at least 320 pounds. Count it with the gravity to him flying through the air. He's throwing 500 pounds of force into Aaron Baines' chest. Can you imagine that? That means at least an eight off of pure pain. Plus, Aaron Baines had a man bun. He had the man bun going like this.

Oh, yeah. He's a bit. That's a 10. That's a 10. Yeah, man. That has to be a 10. Embed fell right after that dunk, too, so it's like, you don't know what happened. Two big bodies collided within each other.

Facts. Facts. The fact that Embed fell down, you can tell he was in pain, too. He jumped so hard with being that big that he felt the pain of it. That's how he knows it's disrespectful. This could have been the end of the universe. And Embed really put his body on the line for this highlight play. This has to be a 10.

Joel Embed almost ended the process by how hard he dunked on him. Yeah, exactly. You got a broken face, and you doing that? Oh, that's crazy. Sean Kemp An Alton Lister I don't even have to watch this one I don't even have to watch it

This is either the first or second Most disrespectful dunk in NBA history He pointed at the man Listen Listen Look Outside outside of tea bagging If you dunk on somebody

And you point at them In a childish manner Ha ha he said in his face that's a 10 he stopped mid game that's a 10 he stopped NBA action to point and laugh that alone that's a 13 at a 10 you have to fight you have to fight there's there's no other option other than fighting I have to win something you cannot do you like that required if you're on the if you're on the other end of that dunk bro where is this man's teammates why is no why does he have to get up by himself you just someone just pointing at you on a they don't want to be associated with him they are that embarrassed bro that's what you all step up to Sean Kemp if you were his teammate bro I wouldn't I wouldn't step to Stahn I wouldn't I would not step to Sean but I would definitely

step to my man if I saw him embarrassed like that the holes are watching what he got the blicky yeah tragic that's crazy duck yeah next one Shack on Chris Dudley

let's run this back Chris Dudley yeah let's run this back Shack drop step pushes him away one of the most iconic dunks of all time once again and like chris deadly throws the ball back at shack it's kind of childish but that's the only thing he has he has left in him he just got emasculated in front of everybody in la disrespectfulness in terms of like athletic

feet like it's so disrespectful because you embarrass them this is disrespectful in terms of like actually being mean like you should not push a guy like that it is blatant disrespect He disrespected him in Los Angeles at the forum This man got no play after the game All right, it's over It's over damn With how he pushed him to bro It looked like Shaq pushed him so effortlessly

Like that was one of the most racial pushes I've ever seen He pushed him the same way I like swat a fly when I'm running And I just lands in my eyebrow Yeah That's how he pushed him The only difference is this man flew back And almost injured one of the damn cheerleaders Okay

God, that's a 10 Listen, it's one of those dunks It's the It's like Brandon Knight Where you Google this guy's name And the first thing you see Is him getting physically embarrassed By a larger man

Instant 10 Yeah, bro I feel if Chris Dudley has Man, I feel so for Chris Dudley's kids man Just straight poses Just straight poses If this happened today They would have photoshop a graphic

With him with angel wings behind him And post that All right V And Dwight Howard recorded it and said Lord carry him Lord carry him now You're all crazy He got put on a t-shirt

Oh my god On the airburst t-shirt Stop playing before I put you on a song That's crazy Oh my god Okay last one Vince Carter on Alonzo morning This was so cold

Listen I don't care what rating you give this I just know it has to be high Because Alonzo morning is stumbling like a fucking drunk after that he got dunked out of reality he didn't know where he was Vince Carter is like 50 pounds lighter than Alonza morning

and still moved him to the side pure ease 10 out of 10 disrespectful dunk it's bro this is this great and what's wild is Vince Carter probably saved him because he probably could have did something much more disrespectful than this

oh the mercy itself was disrespectful full. He took pity on him with his dunk. He didn't give it easy way out. He didn't even, he didn't even have any reaction to it too. Just a deep, dark stare down to his soul. He just cursed that man generationally.

To his soul. This man's the grim reaper. Yeah, nah, man. This card was cold for that. Damn. What makes this having no reaction in my mind makes this dunk even worse? Because it's like at least point at me, whatever, but like you're nice a lot of amaze me. You want to

you pointed at you can't point at me you can't point at me something dirty will happen on the next play and elbow to the neck somebody's going to have to know i don't know who's somebody your kneecaps will not be there on the next time down if you point out tony soprano will be called immediately exactly well guys hour and 48 minutes in longest episode ever this is the end of the episode goodness what should tell the people they should comment if they're still here Comment It better be good Disney World

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