The Deep 3 Podcast - Rating Your Best NBA Hot Takes | TD3 Live

Episode Date: September 4, 2024

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Yo, I'm not entirely sure, but I think we're live. You're lying. I don't trust him. He said we're going to be live last weekend, and that it happened, and the week before that, and that it happened. It's been three weeks. You expect me to believe you? Listen, call it a hunch, but I believe we're alive. And yes, it's been a while. It'll be late? We're not late. We're actually a minute early, so I know the comments are going to come spamming in, but we are not late. I know that for a fact. Anybody who's saying that, fake news? one in a blue mood yeah man

been inconsistent streaming summer you know we had the month off that we took right when the season's over we're gonna do that every year I think for the streams but last couple weeks and something came up

but as you can see we have a new and improved setup it's the same setup we do with our pod now so the quality's gonna be a little bit better hopefully it should be a better streaming experience so makes up for the time missed

listen let us know if you like it right this is something we just you know experimenting dabbling I 100% want to see what y'all think Yeah man I think this gives us more room to have more Tom Fruley happen

You went ahead and did the Duggy one time Isaac was trucking on stream Yeah man You wore it up about three months ago It's been a wild ride You have to do something to top you Owing up Man the amount of brain rock comments like that

All the stuff you referenced me The amount of brain route we have in our comments section is hilarious every episode is when are you going to oil up when are you going to oil up what are they going to grow up what are they going to read a book as you guys see by the title today we are going to react to your guys as hot takes we've done us before plenty of times this time you know it's the off season not shit is going on and I will not pretend anything is going on so we're going to dedicate the entire stream mostly there's going to be a couple segments in between but the most of the streams we dedicated to you guys getting your guys's opinions

you know interacting with y'all that we do that's how we like to do it someone said Donovan are you a Longhorns fan man they're in for a good surprise surprise surprise surprise graduated from UT you know what it is

big bebo over here come on don't play with me don't play with you you don't understand that it's fine shout out to our first donation of the day shout out to Joaquin 37 a consistent donor consistent viewer appreciate you. He donated $2. He said, Don's looking extra Don like today. Hey, what are your guys'

favorite books? All right, Mo. What's your favorite book, Mo? I like status anxiety. It's one of my favorite books of all time. I first read it. It's just about like exactly what it sounds like status and people thinking about, you know, themselves being behind and what society values and shit like that. So it's a nice deep answer. My favorite book is Project Hail Mary, which is about aliens in space. Far less deep than what he said. Why is it a piece of fiction? It's a crown eater.

It's a crown eater ass answer. It's sophisticated. Well, I have some non-sophisticated fiction. Listen, in fifth grade, I have never, ever been more excited to read a book series than the series called Like Cats. It was ridiculous. It was like, it was these cats. They had clans.

It was like the Thunder Clan, the Shadow Clan, all of that. They had like four books of that. that was that was the peak of reading i love those books so what was my volume as well let me turn this up a little bit what were you guys's favorite childhood book yeah you sound good okay i got louder yeah what do you guys favorite childhood books easily diary ever diary ever wouldn't be good that whole series

loved it hunger games i was gonna say captain underpants oh one thing also forgot to mention at the end of the stream we're gonna be doing a merch giveaway I forgot. We told you guys we did it last time because we missed the stream. So we give away merch to three people. I'm going to make a, I got to do it. I can make a Google forum sheet.

You guys are going to put your name and your email in there. And we're going to pick three of you guys to give away merch to you because we forgot to stream. Yeah, exactly. This is what happens. This is what we're going to be doing once we forget to stream or some life things happen. You guys would be a board for it. Yeah, man. Like I said, hot take stream.

Before we get to the hot takes, we're going to talk about the very few pieces of news that we have going on right now. And when I say very few... In September? I mean very few. And when I say news, I'm being very generous with the definition of what news is

and what relevance is. These are just things that were in the news whether it's important or not. This is aggregation. The first thing we got to talk about today, Magic Johnson on Anthony Edwards saying Michael Jordan

was the only player with real skill back in the day. He said, I never respond to a guy who's never won a championship. He didn't win a college championship. I don't even know if he won a high school championship. Championship.

So yeah, man, Michael Jordan came out, and he was like, back then, they all kind of suck besides Jordan, no real athletes. And people have opinions about it. How do you guys feel about this comment? Anthony Edwards is absolutely hilarious for that. Obviously, we know he's wrong or whatever. Paul George came out and said that he was being, Anthony Edwards is being immature. It's funny. And I like the banter because it plays towards what I am ultimately pushing.

Which is. What are you pushing? The past sucks? Yeah, exactly. We don't with the 90s. We don't with the 90s. It doesn't respect the elders. It never has.

Funny comment. I mean, do I give a fuck what Anthony Edwards thinks about the quality of the athletes in the 90s? No. Is it very funny

that Magic Johnson immediately took exception with it? Yes. I think to publicly, you know, make a response, is very funny. Especially when Magic Johnson

is Mr. like, Chad GBT. Yes. He has the most cookie-cutter responses, and Anthony Edwards made him get out of character and be like, hold on, hold on, hold on. You do not know what you're talking about, right? You know, exactly.

So, yeah, that was funny about it. I really don't, I'm with you guys. I don't care about it because whether they were in the 60s, the 90s, now in 30 years, Anthony Edwards is going to look every athlete in the eye and be like, I'm better than you. you. There's never going to be any amount of skill that we've progressed to that Anthony Edwards is going to look at and think that they are better than him. So, of course, like, it makes sense this comment coming from him.

Yeah. Let me get back to some more donos. We'll move on to the next story. Shout out to Chunky Corgi for tipping $10. He said, found you guys last year and you helped me begin to love the NBA. Really appreciate you guys. Remember, bucks and five. Bucks and five.

That was back from beginning. appreciate you. That was back from the beginning of last year when Donovan was taught. Who were you talking about? I forget. It was post-Lillard trade and we were talking about

them compared to other people and you were just like bucks in five. Yeah, I was all in. I was all in on the bucks. And then the Celtics got Drew Holiday and I was like, yeah, South Texas and five. Yeah. She changed real fast.

Shit got bad. What did Chris Ball says? The shit went left real fast. Yeah, shit went bad real fast. Yeah, shit went bad real quick is what he said. Oh, yeah, shit went bad really quick. Yeah. to Carter round for tipping $3.

He said in my third week of classes at Washington State University, got that Clay Thompson energy. Hey man, shout out you. Shout out college. Hope it's going well. Out to the freshman out there. Oh, yeah.

Shout out to Joaquin 37 for tipping $2. He said, Moe told us to read a book, so I wanted to make sure he could read. Moe's on recheck. Recheck is crazy. I'll say, bro, I put down my degree for one goddamn stream and they're trying my intellect right now. All right. I'm going to have all my report cards in the back

next pocket. All right. Next to the street. I'm gone. Shout out the horse of Yokic for tipping $5. He said if every NBA team had two of their best player, which would be the best and worst teams? Okay, so the Wizards would suck if they had two Kyle Cruz mud. Nothing would change. They would still be a lottery team. They're the worst. Who would be the best team that had two of their best player? See, like two Lucas and two Yokiches? I don't know how they'd really compliment each other that well. Honestly? Obviously?

Two Lebrons. Two bronze? Two bronze would be sick. Two bronze is crazy as hell. They would be a top three team in the West. Two Tatams. I know we'd make fun of him, but two Tatams would be extremely versatile

and hard to go against. Two Janus's. What would you do with that? Oh, too Yonis? That's just sheer force. Two Yonis is crazy. Yeah, two Yonis is disgusting. So it was a two Wembe.

Yeah, two Wembees down low, stretching the floor blocking shots. Oh my God. It's Wembe. It's a Wembe. It's nasty. T.L. Oh, it said two Anthony Edwards would be nasty. Yeah, another great answer.

Two Kevin Durant would be insanity, too. Two Steph Currys? Oh, my God. Someone said two Kems equals two water boys. Unbelievable. The slander will never end. This is nasty. This is nasty. Oh, man. I can't believe I've become a Tatum defender. How life. Life comes at you quick.

An actual new story to discuss of sorts. Something happened. That's substantive. Steph Curry has signed a one year $62 million extension with the Warriors What did you feel like this? Because it's kind of a strange timing to do this Yeah, you have one Dude, salary cap of doubles since 2016

That's insane 62 million looks ridiculous I said I haven't got used to it But how do you feel about Curry at least, you know Putting his name out for one more year at the team? It makes sense I think the most interesting thing

was the fact that it was just a one year extension I think because there's been a lot of noise about, you know, is Steph going to put pressure on the organization? Or are him and LeBron going to, you know, team up? How are the final days of this Steph Curry era going to end? And this doesn't put any of that to bed. Like you keep kind of just delaying it. And now you're seeing him pick up the, the Bronn model, which is, hey, I'll sign one year

deals. I'll sign one plus one, but I'm going to maintain my flexibility. I'm going to maintain this, you know, this air of, of if you don't do what I need you to do, there's a possibility that I walk and this franchise goes crumbling down. So I need you to be on top of it. The one year part was the most interesting part about it for me. Yeah. I wonder, I mean, he wasn't going to like an expiring or anything. I think he had two years left at least. This makes it three or maybe makes it four. I got to check. So I wonder if it's just like, I'll guarantee another year of money

get paid. And if the worst comes to it, I do decide to request a trade later on. If things don't work out a year or two from now, if we decide we have to go down separate paths, it's better for you? Do you have, I have an extra year in my contract, get a better return? Kind of a win-win for both parties. He gets money. They get, you know, even more flexibility if he decides to go to a new team. A bag is a bag. Steph is a bag chaser, bro. He's been the highest paid NBA player over the last two or three years with this new contract. And it's going to remain the same until, you know, this new contract, or this new contract extension

ends. They're spamming BBL Mo. Why? I've never had those allegations. I'm like, that was your allegations. Well, so, they called you BBL Isaac first. Stand up. Prove it. I mean, I didn't even make it. I haven't heard of this conversation because I was going to say.

Can you want to compare right now or what? We're not going to have a thing off. I'm not going to win. Gloot for glute. You're going to win. I'm not winning a thick off. Let's not pretend. You're winning. Prove it.

How would you compare your thickness to most thickness? In the grand scheme of thick. So the next story, Tailu says, when you lose a guy of Paul George Stature, instantly people think, oh, they can't win. I can't wait to prove everybody wrong. How do you guys, this is here, because how do you guys feel about the clippers? Obviously, they've had very little conversation about them because it's a lot of all been like oh well i guess they're done right they got old man james hardin they paid him

kawai's still there for 60 games a season maybe everyone kind of used them as an afterthought generous is it like are they absolutely cooked or can they still do something they can they still do something they can be watchable during the regular season james hardin's going to do this thing norm powell is like probably going to give you 18 19 points a game who knows a klyze going to give you at this point but they're a perfectly like functioning team they got derrick jones jr you're now not saying he's a world changer but he's a body that is not unplayable so they're going to be cool someone said the hawks are more cooked than them the hawks are the hawks leave them alone leave them alone they're building something listen there's plenty of teams

shut up you don't even mean that there there's plenty of teams out there that have two this is why i hate come out this is this is why i hate because i tried to be nice i tried to be on your that would be fake nice no i was being for real are you i'm Obviously, no. If it's between you guys and the Clippers, I'm going to be on your side, right? I'm going to pick you. You knew that was real. But no, you pushed me away, so stay on that side.

Stay on that side. I will remember this, okay? Listen, man, there's plenty of teams that have two stars and death. Clippers are just another one from now. Like, are they, is there any way, would you be surprised if they were, like, the five through eight seed? Five, yes. um six through eight is about where i see them and even even six is kind of like all right now now we're pushing it because i like off the top of my head right now Denver Minnesota Dallas

Denver Minnesota Dallas Memphis okay okay C those five are at the top of the conference and then we get to to everybody else are we sure that the clippers are going to have enough if kawai has another one of those kawai seasons last year was one of his better seasons health-wise but if we get into the thing where kawai's missing games left and right and it's the james hardin show with norm power as the sidekick are you going to be able to keep up in the western conference where everybody is uber competitive is that team better than the pelicans probably not i mean pelicans i don't think so i don't know pelicans are weird actually i don't know you know what no i would not be surprised

the clippers one more games than the pelicans with their weird addition to jonti murray and subtraction of nobody with their weird loss of a starting center in addition of a rookie it wouldn't shock me if the clippers are just really competent in the regular season kawai is a somewhat healthy year james harding is washed but still capable of like make some happen in the regular season like what is somewhat healthy to you for kawai yeah i don't of 58 games? Like 50, 50, like, 58 games of Kauai, maybe 55. I don't know if any of that gets me to a point where James Hardin, who is going to be

another year older, is where I'm like, yeah, like, you can come in and you can run the show and everything's going to be absolutely okay. I think he can do that. You still believe? Yeah, I mean, he's been delegated to being like a clear cut second. an option over the last few years back when he was in Brooklyn and then before that when he was in Philly too like it was Joe Will and Bede's show that he had to run and play at a different pace and stuff like that and now was just like basically him just rocking out with the guys so

yeah what's the expectation for this when we say that like do I believe in a regular season context he can average 21 points and 10 assists and lead a top 10 offense probably yeah I think that's possible like he's not going to be out here being a superstar or anything but being a good starting point guard that can be a lead playmaker keep these moving let kawai be the main scoring option and feed the ball to norman powell whoever else you know can be the main scorers i don't think that's impossible for him like he averaged like 18 or actually maybe it was a little lower it's around 17 last year if ever correctly where it ended but that was his third option you know like he was very clearly delegating and not being very aggressive as a score

he can't be what he was even with the nets in the first year let alone the rockets but he can be like closer you know he can take more shots he took last year yeah he can definitely get 20 a game yeah i mean very very easy to imagine that's that's fine getting getting 20 is is fine um when you look at this roster i think even if they did have paul george i wouldn't have been higher on the clippers one obviously because you know i am who i am but two the health awareness we love it yeah but like you look at that roster and paul george sneakily 34 years old James Hardin has looked much, much older over the last two years post-hamstring injury than before, Kawhi, body breaking down every single year.

And now we have another offseason of, you know, people aging and doing all this stuff. Am I going to trust a 34, 35-year-old James Hardin? Am I going to trust, you know, of Kawhi Leonard who's not doing all this? Even if Paul George is there, am I going to trust a guy who's going to turn 35 during the season? And that's old as hell in the NBA for that to be your core three. And 35 is not like what it used to be in the NBA. It is. LeBron has skewed a lot of our view.

Yeah. LeBron and Steph have. Yeah. Yes. Have skewed a lot. But think about the guys that we just said. LeBron, Steph, Katie. We're talking about guys who are top 20, top 15 all time, right?

In LeBron's case, top two, in Steph's case, top 10, top five for a lot of people. if you are the best to absolutely ever do it, that's great. Paul George is not in that conversation. James Hardin is not in top 10 conversations. Kawai resume wise, yes, right? Peak wise maybe, but again, the body doesn't do that. So unless you are at that level, we're not really seeing that. So I think it skewed a lot of our expectations of what these guys are going to look like as they age to be, you know, number one options, championship, you know, bus drivers, whatever.

you want to call it like I don't know the exact term but you you know what I'm saying I don't I don't know if that's the case so that's what I'm like going into next year I don't know if it's fair to I don't know if it's fair to ask that of the clippers if you want to give them that because you believe in Tailu and you say he's going to make it work okay that's cool and I can believe that I have a hard time believing that if you're number one reason or like one B reason is because of James Harding or because of Kauai Leonard's ability. Yeah.

Okay, that's not crazy. Yeah, I mean, they're just such a weird team, right? They're just stuck in limbo. Like, they kind of are what they are. They're going to be very firmly in the middle of the Western Conference. Maybe an annoying first-round team to have to play, but not really a threat. Just a weird place to be when you're opening a new stadium when you have a, like, top 15 player in the world still in Kauai at the worst?

I was going to have a counter argument against Donovan's, like, 35-year-old thing. And you brought up a very good point about, like, the three-veigh. best players in history of the sport, not three, 10, 15 of the three best players or whatever are defying all odds. And I was like, hold on, what year did CP3 go ahead and like go to the finals? He was 35 years old. And then I saw this random ass fact too. He was fifth and MVP that year as well in 2020. He was amazing that year, bro. People forget about that season. He was ridiculous. Not to say that like, screw Chris Paul or James Harden at this point in time, but I completely forget about that season, how insane he was.

at 35 years old. He was incredible with the signs until he wasn't because his body fell apart. I hope history remembers that season. History will remember the season that James Hardin's about to have. I'm building my propaganda right now.

Yikes. Before we move on to the next story, let me read off some donations. Shout out to Horse of Yokic for tipping another $5. He said, with increasing salary caps and stars getting big money contracts,

how long do you think it'll be before we see a player signing a $1 billion contract? I don't know, I mean, just inflation's so crazy that like, I don't know, 20 years probably One billion dollar contract Right now the maxes are what? Like if it's five years, 60 mil, We're at like 350 is the highest we've seen right now. Yeah So maybe another 25, 30 years and we'll probably get there.

Who's to say? I'm not a macroeconomic expert. Yeah, let's get back to the podcasting. shout to Zubb new for $3 he said I think Wembe and Chet are going to be the Jordan Drexler career dynamic everyone knows who Jordan is today but not many fans know Drexler

because his skill set slash prime overlap with Jordan so closely and so he was overshadowed I think the same will happen to Chet I completely disagree with him stylistically like he's like the diet version even like generation defining player I think

Chet has been blessed way more than any young player in the NBA because of the situation that he's walked into with like having shea jade of there as well but chet obviously is what elevates him to the next level because of dynamics but i think he will not be that overshadowed because i just know they're okay she's going to at least roll into one championship clide never had that type of help back in the day to do that they made the finals what do you mean sure he never wants what he said he thinks he's going to win one um i see what he's saying basically you have the generation

defining player that looks and plays a certain way and he has to understudy second best in that position for the decade that looks and plays a very similar way but never quite lives up to the insane expectations of the guy above him that makes sense i mean i can see that even if chet wins a championship with chay and them like he'll still be the understudy stretch five of the decade you know i i get that it's kind of i guess i'm super super high on on chet and we talked a little bit about this when we're talking about like the all-time guards and how we view Clyde but I feel like it's a little bit disrespectful to say that to Chet because I think like there was a point where it was very very clear you are not Jordan like there was there was talk of like them going back and forth

and you can say that still like hey like Chet you're just not as good as it would be he's not like he never will be it's fine it would be very good he can be a Hall of Famer like Clyde Drexler is I guess it's just the way that I perceive Clyde Drexler to where I'm like, hey, it was kind of like, it was kind of fraudulent for you to even be in those combos in the first place. But I think that Chet legitimately can be there and there's going to be a point where they are one, two,

and I think that the gap is going to be closer than the gap between Jordan and Drexler. Do you think Chet's going to be the second best game in the world? Like, I don't think he could be... Yeah, that's lofty as hell. I don't think so. I think it's pretty fair. I think, yeah, in terms of like how people look at them

totality-wise. Don't give me to say nothing I don't mean. You can go ahead and say it. Don't give me to that. Shout out to O'Rease for tipping $1. He said putting Hardin over weight all time is basically saying saying scoring 60 points against the Pistence of February is more important than having Monster Playoff games. Please correct the guard rankings.

Who did that? No one did that. I don't think anybody put hard. Yeah. We all put, we all had weight over. Yeah. Yeah, listen, that's like the eighth best shooting guard rankings. versus the ninth. And Wade is, I mean, eighth best guard versus the ninth. And Wade is always

eight and Hardin is always nine. It's small differences, but Wade has to be in front. And it's not watching. Not paying. Is that a Reese from HOH? Because he's talking about the Oambi heats. I feel like it might be. Oh, okay. Reese. Bernard, you have been caught. Yeah, I see what the chat used to tell me. Yeah. That makes a good name. I recognize heat propaganda anyway. we were on your side we agree shout out to chase

for tipping five dollars he said Tim Duncan will be the goat conversation with Jordan LeBron if the Spurs didn't lose in 2013 6 and 0 I think he'd be

in the cream conversation for number three yes if he had if he had two over if he had three over LeBron that

that right that right there would get him into like him and koreen type of conversations because then you then you have you know the like the the the braun era type of thing and you talk about who's winning rings in that era and it's obviously step one a lot and then tim duncan gets gets lebron at basically every stage in his career in a back to back in a back situation as well yeah he could probably get to three i don't know if anybody would ever put him at

one. You know what I want to know. I want to know why we have a little bit over 500 people in this live stream right now but we haven't even cracked 200 likes. Oh my God. What a shame. That is a damn

shame. It's embarrassing. We have important people watching this right now, y'all. Important people watching. LeBron James is in the chat. Ronnie's in the chat right now. Collab is waiting on our end. leave a like on the stream you guys would leave

a likes on the stream for us do us a favor while we do that move on to the next tweet from NBA Central you know classic offseason discourse bait rank their ceilings

in order from 1 through 4 Tyrese Halliburton lamello ball Tyrese and Kate Cunningham how are y'all ranking this can we start at the bottom and work our way up I think that's easy

so it's ceiling not how they are right now or how to be next year strictly ceiling so if everything goes well. So I don't think Kate is last if we're talking just ceiling. I don't, I don't think he's last. I don't think he's last. I think Tyrese maxis last when he comes to straight ceiling. Yeah, I feel like Tyrese has one of the highest floors, but the lack of passing

gives them less of a ceiling. It's gaping, bro. Yeah, like every one else around him is there are a B plus passer at worse. Or is to have that type of ceiling. Tyrese also could just be like an elite, he could just develop into an elite score and good enough passer that maybe Lamello's last. I like Lamello a lot. I don't know. I don't know. like his seal i yeah lamello's ceiling is higher the ceiling of the ceiling of lamello honestly might be one here yeah it's just ceiling so it got to separate what you've seen so far don't view it as disrespectful to anybody strictly projecting damn maxi has me last isn't he yeah maxi he's the safest player here also at the same time like you know what he's going to be you trust him

I don't want to put a blast. I know. Great guy. Someone said we're just going to act like K doesn't have below league average efficiency. Correct. Shut up. He does.

He has been inefficient, but that's, but that's with the pistol. It's part him, part situation. Yeah. I am personally, I think Kate has the highest ceiling.

Higher than Haliburton? Yes. And the only reason why is because I think Kate has, and I think Kate has the physical attributes to actually be a good defender where I know that Tyrese is... I know that Tyrese is tall,

and I know that he's long. I still don't think that he is... that his frame is like physical enough to be like an impact defender to where... I feel like Kate still has like the physicals and the measurables where if you give him, you know, like, hey, I need one playoff room

where you can really, really lock in and do that, I think he can get there, than the other three guys on that list. So I would put Cade 1. I would have Tyrese at 4. And then I think I would put Lamello 2 and Tyrese 3. So, I mean, if Tyrese Halliborne can just shoot like he did early last year, if that's the ceiling, I think that might be a higher level player

than these guys are possible to reaching. Like, we were talking about him as being at the fourth best point guard in the league. Like, that is, we've seen the ceiling already, you know? Like, we've seen it happen. And I think that might be the highest level guy. Because that was top three passer in the league. top two off the dribble shooter in the league like that level of just yeah it was like it was like mini luka in terms of the ability to shoot the three and pass like it was ridiculous for two months

it's more taltry of right i see yeah exactly either one i mean they're pretty similar players but yeah i would say you're so right but we also did see something from lammella ball last season two it was even of a more of a shorter stint wasn't as impactful he wasn't putting up like 27 26 but he was putting up a cool 25 was getting to the rim still making those leaps as a passion that he's always been. I think I have to have have Lamello ball 1, K2, because I do like the versatility that Kate has when it comes to his off the dribble shooting and really being

able to get it from anywhere similar to, like, Luca. Like, you can, we, we can see Kate Cunningham, put people in the post here and there and have the ability to use that back three. Like, there's nothing that he can't do when it comes to putting the ball on the basket on the office side of the board. Kate has the highest ceiling, but I'm also least confident we'll see that ceiling, you know?

Yes. I think, I think, I think at this point we have to look at them differently from where they were drafted and how they were as draft prospects when we talk about ceilings. Like, Kate has been in the league for a couple of years now. I'm not saying it's his fault. His development probably ruined a lot of his, you know, shooting ceiling, a lot of his scoring ceiling because he's spent the last three years in basketball hell. and he hasn't had the opportunity to really, really develop that at a competent level. And so now we're like four years in and we're like, okay, how much better do you think that he can get from this point? And it's going to take massive, massive leaps for him to realize that ceiling. And I don't think that that's realistic to ask of him at this point. But like if you're talking about them as like prospects where they were when they first came into

the league, yeah, Cade can definitely kind of like easily be one. and then we can go from there. Okay. No, I think if you're doing absolute apex, best case scenario, you go Cade, Lamello, Halliburton, Maxie. But if you're adding to that equation, like, do you think they'll reach that ceiling? Then I think it changes.

Then I think it's like Halliburton, Lamello, Maxie, Cade. Maxie and Cade. Who, that's so... Because Cate is... Maxi feels too good to put last, you know? Like, he's so good and still getting better that I feel like we take it for granted and assume he just is who he is now.

But, like, he could still get better in a lot of ways. there's a lot of value when it comes to just players in his mold were just like 3 and D and you get buckets in a variable in a variation of ways very valuable but at the same time too there's like how potent can I don't know

I like him a lot but his game doesn't seem generational in ways like Tyreys Halliburn can be one of the best passions in history lamella ball I just you know what I mean I do. I do. I do. I'm sorry. I've seen, I've seen that word a lot. Yeah. I've seen that word on Twitter. And it's really starting to get to me. I really, I'm really starting to hate the word. The word. Oh my goodness. Grinding them like crazy. I'm going to start using it more now. Next movie story. LeBron talked about what would happen when him and Bonnie are on the court. He said,

Bronny can't call me dad in the workplace. He's got to call me two, three, or Bron. Or Bron, Or goat, if he wants to, can't be running down the court like, Dad, I'm open. Daddy, Daddy! Daddy, behind you, behind you. I'm just wondering what he does when Braun inevitably doesn't rotate

and lets a backdoor dunk happen. And most of the time, people just ignore him or you got somebody, like, I don't know, maybe AD will look at him and, like, move his hands. But they show him a certain amount of respect that if he was a role player, they'd be like, fucking get back. What does Brody do?

He's like, Dad! bro you're crying daddy come on you're making me bad donovan have you ever have you ever yeah yeah

so what do you do whenever your dad like kind of messes up or well they're not coworkers yeah well if your teammates what would you be doing like what if you were both

paid seven million dollars to be on that basketball court what would you call your father I mean listen in my own experience at the park right I can relate to

Bronny and LeBrony and and I mean I think most of the time most of the time it's just like a look where I

like yeah like if I if I miss if I miss something or if I like forget to rotate or something I'll see my dad either look at me or if it was like really

if it was really egregious he'll just turn around and like go back to to playing defense And then, like, afterwards, like, on the drive home, we'll, like, talk about it and be like, I mean, and I'll, I mean, I'll tell him once I got to, like, 15, 60, we got to the point where I could, like, tell him, like, oh, yeah, like, you should, like, you should have did this, you should do that. And we were talking on the drive home, but, like, on the court, it was just, like, you know, small things. Yeah. Okay.

Okay. So that's how, that's how I went on the streets of Houston, right? I don't know how it's going to be in the Staples Center. but I can see how it can get kind of dicey. Bronny, hit me up if you need advice. I've been through it. So on an eye-to-eye level, we operate on the same plane right now. All right, man.

That's the new stories we've got. It's time for us to get to the main topic of the stream, Hot Takes. How we're going to do it is, right now I made a community post on YouTube and a tweet. I'm going to pull Hot Takes from that, and you guys in the chat are going to rate it W or L with us. then we're going to take a break when we come back to hot takes we're going to take you guys as hot takes directly from chat

so right now you guys are judges I want to see spam W spam L's for each take and then later on you guys are going to give us your takes and you're going to spam those stay on topic don't spam the questions yet

save them for later let's talk about it whose first hot take is from Void Cowboy 28 he says Derek lively is a top 10 center right now and was one of the five best rookies last season

we're going WRL 5 best rookies last season W Top 10 center That's an absolute L I love him though He's just outside of it from me personally Yeah I think I ranked him like 12 or something

I think I had in the highest and it was I believe 12 or 13 Yeah See a lot of L's someone says not a hot take Okay so people think it's It's actually very mixed I'm saying W and L I gotta start a poll Because this is

It's not a here's the thing I think depending on How you're looking at at rankings I think if you're talking about like fit with other players there might be a roundabout argument to get Derek liably into the top 10 where if you're talking about like Sabonis or if you're talking about cat and you're talking about these other guys who are at if you're talking about Sangun talking about all those guys towards the back half of the top 10 saying they're in that weird

range where they're good enough to where you kind of have to do. stuff through them, but they are not bad enough to where, but they're bad enough to where they're not elevating everybody, it would be much less of a headache if you just had this like crazy room running big like Derek lively to input on a whole bunch of different teams. But talent-wise, I don't think that I can put him at top ten. That's like being so disrespectful towards guys like Jared Allen, Alfred Singoon, and whoever else you believe it's towards the back half of that 10 and he's just not there yet there's no i do i believe it no can i see the logic in the path to where somebody can get there yes and i

probably would look at them crazy if they said that derrick lively like is firmly a top 10 center but it's not a see those same exact those same exact people those same exact people not to say like Derek Lively and DeAndre Jordan are the same players at all. But those same same exact people who think that way also believe that DeAndre Jordan was an elite defender or elite player in general back in 2015, 2013, 2014 when he made like all-MBA first team. Is this the only Jordan Slender? Madness.

DeAndre Jordan's a great guy. But let's be honest. Obcity, DeAndre Jordan Slander? How dare you? I love that era. I might have to mute you. chat please come to my defense

anyways 55% of people voted W for Derek livin being a top 10 center I think if you guys actually sat down if you try to rank it you would realize

fuck no when we did the rankings I had Jared Allen at 11 you know how much better Jared Allen is and Derek lively right now Jared Allen is very very good

it's a bonus is like 9 or 10 for me there's so many good centers that I can't do it like there's Chet there's uh yeah

my mom Chris Os Porzingis Jared Allen all these guys in that like eight to ten range can't do it yet with derrick lively maybe next year but right now i can't do it he'll take yeah i got my sentence list yeah i was thinking i'm pulling it up right back yeah back half of the top 10 or even just outside the top 10 here's what i had i had cat at 11 sangoon at 12 brook at 13 miles turner at 14 Derek lively at 15 cat 11 was such crazy hate that's so funny it's really it's really it's really not it's really not

but that's not that's not what we're talking about here can we put would you feel comfortable putting derrick lively over miles turner no i think i did that yeah over brooke lopez that's a tier he's in for sure and you can put him towards the top of that tier but the top of that tier is like the 12th best center in the league exactly so okay okay next take is some j buckets one curry is the most influential player in basketball history obviously curry is an extremely influential player it's the number one I don't know if we've ever talked about that directly. Is he one above, you know, Jordan, LeBron, Magic, Alan Iverson, whoever you may think as the other more influential players,

is Curry the single most influential player? I think so. I'm going to say in the modern era, of course, it's hard to say he's the single most influential in, like, basketball totality. Yeah. Because, like, being real, like, the Bill Russell of the day is so influential to the game and just, like, how things have developed. Someone said Will Thiel is.

Maddie Johnson and Larry Bird, too. What? Wilt. That's a crazy pick. Yeah, that's hilarious. I'm trying to get a reaction. I'm going to say yes. And I think the reason why Steph is, number one, when you talk about influence for a lot of the other guys,

a lot of the stuff is either like off the court. So you talk about like Jordan. And a big part of that is growing the game and being. global and so that's cool you talk about magic and it's like hey you you never had a guy this big you know be the point guard and open that stuff up even from magic on there's only a couple people who are that big and able to run point like that i think for for step you saw the impact on the only on the way that he played basketball from the top of the league to the absolute bottom of the league where everybody instantly believed okay no if we want to be successful

we have to shoot from here right it has to be three three point shots now the in like the 90s the lowest case of role player it's like charles oakley this enforcer now lowest lowest role of like role player you have to you have to at least be a knockdown shooter and that's it i think it's complicated because obviously curry is insanely influential you don't want to downplay that at all We also give him, like, the entirety of the credit for the modern NBA revolution when he was a big part of it and showed that you can win with that being your best player's style of play. But it didn't start with him, you know, like, there was obviously a seven seconds or less. Yeah.

James Harden Rockets, Darry, like, so many other smart people played a big part of it that they, like, the Warriors weren't even the top of the league in three point volume after a couple of years. Like, they got caught up to very quickly and the whole rest of the league, like, was doing it with them around the same time. so while he is like the poster boy that movement it wasn't strictly because they saw him playing and was like oh shit we got to shoot threes right it was already bubbling up so it's kind of hard to separate that because people give him like the entirety of the credit when really it's like just a good portion it's a massive portion

and I think I think the fact that he won with it is is like the biggest aspect of it because yes you definitely copy the winner you're right right you know what I'm saying because like yeah yeah the sons were doing it you never made it to the finals until now everybody's going to look at you and say you can't you can't win like that you have the whole heliocentric offense and up until right now people are still going to look at lucca and they're still going to say you see you can't win a championship like that you can't win a title when somebody is handling the ball in that way holding you know doing playing that style of basketball

and until he wins a chip that's not going to be accepted people said it about james hardin for a long time You said it all through our history. And so now guys who are dominating the ball in that way are going to have to get over that hump. And once you see somebody win, then there's a lot of confirmation of, oh, it actually can be successful. Now we should actually start to follow. Whereas if you're not winning, then it's just, yeah, it was okay.

But the process was then flawed because you didn't get the ultimate result. And now we're not going to follow. So, like, yeah, he didn't start it, but he did take it the furthest out of anybody. like you said and I do think that that his portion of where he took it is number one in league history if we're just talking about on the court play I just think it's that plus the entirety of the league which is getting smarter in learning analytics and like it was a league wide movement of understanding the game more so definitely like the end of the day it's a copy kid league and people copied the latest winner right so somebody has to get the most credit is going to be him and I think

it's safe to say the three-point revolution is the biggest revolution or biggest point of influence in NBA history. Like, that's not just recency bias. Like, that was the single biggest change we've ever seen to the sport, I think. So, the player that best represents the biggest change ever, I don't think it's crazy to say he's most influential. I, yeah, that's, it's not crazy. I'm not, you know me, you know how I feel about Steph Curry. I think he's, you know me, I'm a glaze. Yeah, I mean, you say it for me. I don't. I, you say it for me. I can't even sit here and lie. You see my ranking where I had.

Can you see where I had him last podcast episode in terms of greatest guards in history? I had that dude at three. So yeah. Or two, I think. So yeah. Damn. Okay.

Next take, me in this poll. 63% of you voted W take. Not surprising. Given the demographic, people love Curry these days. He was always going to win this poll. But I don't think you guys are wrong, even if it is debatable. Shout out from user S.

the letters, he said, Luca will be remembered as a stat patter who never played defense and never won a ring. My point exactly. My point exactly is right there. Come on now. As a take,

do you think Luca will be remembered as a stat patter who always loses? Do you think he'll ever get it done? Is he going to be remembered in the same way James Harden was? Or is? No. The question is basically,

do I think Luca is going to win a title? Or do you think that he'll do enough individually that that stigma won't necessarily be around him? Because he's not a playoff dropper in the same way James Hardin is. James Harden only has a stigma because he played like shit in many series

and shot like shit. Yeah. If he just played really well and lost the Warriors every year, he wouldn't get as much heat, but he's perceived to be a guy who plays worse. It's actually not entirely true, but that's a perception. Luca doesn't have that. It's going to get to a point, though, where

let's say Luca never wins a ring. The numbers are going to add up or the losses are going to add up, and people are going to look at that and say, see, well, if he just played more team ball, then maybe they would have won some of these things, but he was so focused on getting his and being, you know, on the ball as heavy as he was. And then we're going to get basically to the same point.

He's not going to be looked at as a playoff choker like James Hardin, but he is still going to be looked in that light of, you're not playing winning basketball because you're hogging the ball, you're dominating the ball too much. And now we have 12 years of you losing in the playoffs and never getting a championship to prove that. so i i can see the path to where he is looked at like that if they don't they don't win chas is a w or an l take what do you guys think do you guys think luke doesn't be remembered as a stat patter

or do you think he'll be actually successful and remembered as an all-time great oh man chat while you guys are typing in your response i'm just going to go ahead and give mine i think this is most definitely an l-take when you hear those words like smush together stat patter, blah, blah, like we said earlier, we're thinking about James Hardin, and like Isaac alluded to, like, although statistically he has one of the biggest playoff, one of the five most biggest playoff dropers in NBA history, still there's context to that because he played against the best teams of all time on a routine basis and genuinely had a hard pathway to the finals, which is why he wasn't able to accomplish the things that guys like

Luca went ahead and accomplished, which is making a run to the finals. Now, he did get whipped, but he did get there. I think because of the way Luca is able to, on a night in and night out, dominate similar to James Hardin, but keep that domination continuing in the playoffs, there's no real, there's no real, like, you can't compare the two just like that yet. Almost after hearing that BS, Donovan fucking left. little do they know he went to go tinkle but i think it's not think i think

i think louis going to win one eventually he's already been to finals already been to conference finals like he does not drop off at all if anything he's a playoff riser and obviously it all comes down to team context right does he get lucky does he have the team around him for extended periods of time can the mabs you know retool in a couple years when they need to what he leaves the team and join his super team whatever it all comes on that context donovan so the reason why it texted you that in the group chat and I didn't say it out here

so that people didn't know Tinkle time I told you that in confidence. They didn't need to know that. I'm blowing up the spot. Damn. Spam in the chat, Tinkle time.

Spammed Dawn's a tinkler. Tinkle done. It was potty time. It was a great party session. First it was corn. Now it's potty time. Tinkler Little do they know

John Donovan is like one of the biggest tinklers that I've ever seen in my entire life He'd be tinkling like 45 minutes I don't know how I don't know when I don't know when

I will mess up your life Don't do this to me He's tinkle maxing Okay that's actually good That's actually good He said he's one of the biggest tinklers in the world. I did it. Someone said he's the seventh best tinkler of all time.

He's top ten. Top ten tinkler? Wow. Wow, man. Oh, that's amazing. Oh, man. Next hot take is from Noah Brawl. He says,

Dirk is the most underwitted player in NBA history and has the greatest power forward of all time. Hell no. If you ever disrespect Tim Duncan like that and call anybody else the greatest power forward of all time, that's an L tape. I will agree that Dirk is very underrated. Because there's a lot of, there's a lot.

Is he? Listen, go look at the lineups that he was rolling with. And they were out here. They got to a finals in 06. They were making deep play. friends and a lot of it was on dirt and a lot of the carrying was on dirt

he is he is underrated I know underrated because his team was trashed completely properly rated he gets plenty of respect I don't think he's even a little bit underrated he went from being labeled a playoff choker to suddenly being the most unfuck with the ball

revered forward they can imagine because the one win which was a very great win but it completely wiped away all the stigma he had I'm not saying he's overrated but he's not underrated at all anymore. In fact, he has so much aura and so much PR from that one ring that all the negatives and all the poor performances are completely forgotten, blowing the fucking first round game to the We Believe Warriors in the first round series, forgotten, everything completely forgotten.

At worst, he's properly rated. I agree. The NBA community loves him so much. That ring put him on the map, of course. But aside of that, even talking about, like, semi-things that don't matter, the one-leg signature move complete or dude and him also being one of the fur he was way ahead of his time in terms of like being a stretch for big guy and he's like oh they just lagged out let me bring them back in damn hold on one second guys all right brought you guys back in that was weird we should be

back you're good anyways yeah dirk was a way ahead of his way ahead of his time and or that he has on and off the court is unmatched i don't think he's underrated at all I think you saw him plenty of low. Yeah. I think, like, you can like a player and say he's real good. That doesn't necessarily mean underrated, you know? Like, he's viewed as a top 20 player of all time. You think he should be a top 12 player of all time?

Fuck no. People sit down and talk about Dirknowitz. He's career and have so much more admiration, and he just comes up more in an NBA conversation, way more than, like, Tim Duncan. So that just lets you know he's far from underrated. Very far from underrated. I'm going to say this once.

Now, I'm going to keep saying it. So I'm not going to just say it once. You're going to keep Tim Duncan's name out of your mouth. We're going to stop disrespecting Tim. Who is disrespecting Tim Duncan? No, Mo just say he gets talked about more. Nobody. Oh, he does?

No. Dirk New Whiskey definitely comes up in conversation more, to me, at least, and Tim Duncan. Maybe it's the ecosystem that I surround myself in. Neither here nor there. Who cares? Next hot take, y'all. Get ready.

Spam. Let me know what you think about this one. Again, this is a very biased take to the audience, but SC49 Productions says the Curry v. LeBron era was better than the Magic versus Bird era. I don't know how we quantify this. We're all going to be biased to this era because none of us in this chat watching the stream

fucking watch Magic versus Bird live. But try to contextualize it and then be a history. Which era do you think was better for whatever that means to you? I think, go ahead. No, you're going to say what I was going to say. What were you going to say? Without Kevin Durant, it would have been a W.

With Kevin Durant coming in, I think the magic and bird era was probably better if you were there. Exactly. I agree. Katie, once again, ruined basketball for an entire era where we could have had one and two going back and forth and it just didn't happen, where we actually were able to see that. And not only did you have, like, the top two franchises of all time, going up against each other. You had the top two players in the league going up against each other. You had different sides of the country going up against each other, like everything in terms of good and evil, one side versus the other,

facing off against each other, materializing those finals. And also, it's just, it's a very nice thing that it's a trilogy. It's just three. And so you have the rubber match and then that's it. And in between, it's like, the Lakers get one. The Celtics didn't hold up their end of the bargain. the Lakers got or the subty's got one Lakers didn't hold up there

end of the bargain when they lose early like Someone said good and evil kind of racist Both teams are led by black guys Who's the racist one in this scenario? You don't even know which one's evil No no But what do you mean both teams are led by black I was talking about the magic

The magic Oh I thought you're talking about warriors and Cows Oh okay I'll never mind you're racist they win that's not what i listen that's not what i said when you said east coast versus west coast i'm like he's teeter in your line and i don't know if he wants to go there and i know it's in the back of his head well obviously listen i love to go there that's my favorite i would go there any day

of the week but no like it's yeah you had every like trope and every stereotype in that in that you know that era and that finals so yeah i'm taking magic in and bird and like we're joking but the racial element was part of it that's what got the masses involved like that was enthralling for the 1980s audience that was what they lived for and magic was all flashy on the west coast versus rural larry bird like it was such a class divide yeah it's like it's like watching it's like watching a boxing match but over a decade right like the way people get robbed out for box about it's like that but for eight years and it's just like oh man

it's gonna be good it's gonna be good it's not even racial but it is like racial lines and like racial like when you're intro into a sport it's crazy it's okay listen that was the time

that was needed to make the league it was the perfect combination of factors and demographic is a very important factor for audiences yeah and if we knew this you best believe David Sturne knew it too David Stringer knew it like crazy

Do not think it is a coincidence How both of these stars are marketed TD 3 theory time Welcome It's a whole lot of noticing Let's see what else we got Which one of these are actually hot Some of these takes aren't even hot

They're just takes Okay another underrated one James Hassan 7996 says Steve Nash is the most underrated player of all time. Stop it. He's the most overrated player of all time. Damn.

He's overrated. He's not, okay. He is overrated. He's not the most overrated. But the fact that he has two MVPs is ridiculous. And it's just not supposed to happen. And listen, they never made the finals. Like, I understand that the Spurs were in that era.

But when they're doing all that thing, that's also in a transitional, time where the Lakers weren't at full strength, so you didn't have Kobe being at the top of the mountain. You didn't have Shaq being at the top of the mountain. It was the Spurs who were never, you know, back to back to back. There was always a window for another team to step in and get to the finals. And the Suns just could never do it. And Steve Nash is a, he's a part of that. Like, I know he was driving, he was driving the bus, but there's also some responsibilities that comes with that, and I just don't think that, listen, we just don't talk about it enough.

Well, all right. I don't have that strong opinions about Steve Nash's underrated overridden this. When we move on to the next one, shout out to Matt UD8. He says, a team of five Kevin Gardnett's beats a team of five of any other player in NBA history. Does KG have the best five of him lineup? A team of five, five KGs would not work basketball-wide because he won't be able to play basketball. I think he's going to get a couple of tests.

that point in time you'd be left for three kgis three versus five you do the math who wins so obviously five lebrons are up there let's exclude lebron as because it's obviously the most versatile player of all time but like he's the answer if lebron never existed who has the best five of them lineup if lebron never is it kevin derrant okay okay so katy kd has has an argument um listen man if we have five six foot eleven down me guides who can dribble, block shots, shoot threes, and dunk. I literally don't think you can think of a better player to have five of them.

Like, he might even be a better answer than LeBron. Maybe not, but it's close. Like those are the top two. Maybe not better than LeBron. No, no, no, no, no, it's that close. It might be equal to LeBron. If you had 2017 Kevin Durant, those blocking shots like crazy, I don't know. What version of LeBron do you want to go with?

Do you want to go with 2013? Five, five of 2012 LeBron Jameses? That's hell. Yeah, okay That's the answer Is Kevin Durant second? Wait Wait

Does Doyle and Bid have an argument in this? I mean, I mean, no He can't dribble He can't dribble He can dribble He can't I mean he's fucking huge

I guess he's gonna be defending He's not running point Can point guard Joel and B guard Point Guard LeBron Or point guard KD He might be cooked This is a two case

Simulation that needs to happen If point guard LeBron Put five out spacing Jewel and Bid Garby 101 Hell in a cell I think he might get destroyed. Tragic, it might be LeBond.

What are we doing with five Bow Bowles? It's crazy, Lace. Five Wembees? Five bowl bowls. Five Regal Bears? All right, stop. Oh, my gosh. You have to do that.

Five Anthony Davis's? Oh, my God, it's over. Ew. That's yuck. that concludes part one of hot takes we're going to take a break to do one different segment and then we're getting back to hot takes and we're going to have you guys in chat

spam up your hot takes when we come back to them so be patient for 15 minutes while we have a quick little game and then you guys are going to give us your best takes and we're going to tell you if you're wrong or not but in the meantime we're going to play NBA Jeopardy I don't know if you guys have ever done this before

in school we did this a lot playing Jeopardy with different school topics and stuff today we're going to do it with NBA trivia oh let's go Let's go. I was good at Jeopardy. Oh, yeah. We got to, like, history class, and we had Jeopardy with that. I was killing it.

Seventh grade science? They couldn't stop me. They couldn't stop. I would let people score. I'll make a comeback by myself. So you guys know how Jeopardy works. Let me put the team names in. We have three teams, which is obviously me, Donovan, and Mo.

And how this is going to work is we're going to take turns, picking categories. we have to answer a tribute question. If we get one wrong, somebody else gets to come in and steal it and try to get the points. And by the end, we see who has the most NBA trivia of knowledge. Okay, sweet.

Let's go. The five categories are career path, playoff moments, nicknames, history, and college. Mo, you can go first. So you pick a category and you pick a number 1 through 5 for 100 through 500.

What do you want to answer first? All right. Cran eaters. I need you by my first. my side. The chat will be seating. No, you can't look at the chat. You can't look at the chat.

What are you going to do about it? Take my phone away from me? Stay over there. Okay, I'm putting a chat right now. If you're cheating, I'm cheating. Okay. I'm not losing. Nobody looks at chat, all right?

I'm not going down without a fight. Hands warm. All right. Let's do nickname for 100. Keep it easy. All right. Start this off fresh. Oh, I don't even know this one.

Black falcons. what fuck is black falcon chat who is black falcon Chad Matt please Chad Joe Mo you gotta get a guessing

Black falcon Black falc Okay this sounds like a wing Yeah it has to be an athletic I'm gonna help you It's your question How much time

How much time are we giving them Mo pick a name Black Falcon Pick a name Is this Razon Wondo I don't know Uh I don't even know

Chat doesn't even know. Incorrect. Donovan, you want to steal? You want to steal it? I would like to steal. Who is Harrison Barnes? What? Correct.

This is Harrison Barnes. Plus 50 if you made the Falcon noise. Nobody made the Falcon noise. Ew. So Donovan gets a point for that one. Okay. I didn't even know that. Harrison Barnes is a black falcon.

It just made me dislike Harrison Barnes even more now. Black falcon He probably doesn't even know that himself He's like, well news to me Black falcon for him Me? So Donovan, you can keep going

We got playoff moments Career Path History, College, Nicknames Where do you want to go? Give me college for 100 College 100 You guys are cowards Starting with 100s

But okay Austin Reeves Oh my gosh Do do do do do Do do, yeah, I want to steal this back. All right. Do do do do do do do what is Arkansas? Correct.

He went to, oh, no, no, we didn't. I gave you. I got it. I got it. He went to Oklahoma. Give me my money now. I thought it was Arkansas too. Mo gets it.

Oh, I got it wrong. It was the other maroon school. I know. They all suck. anyways. Ah, there we go. There we go. Where the real eater's at?

This is for you. All right, so you guys both got 100. I got nothing. Someone suggested 15 second time limit for answers. Correct. We're going to do that. You have 15 seconds. Now, let's go 10.

Okay, 10 seconds. You get 10 seconds to answer. Okay. All right, what category we're going to next? This is all you, right? No, it's you. You keep going, would you got one right? Ooh, it's my turn.

Okay. Iconic moments is the category, correct? Playoff moments. Oh, playoff moments. Okay, playoff moments. Give me 300. Let's kick it up a notch real quick. Playoff moments for 300.

Okay. This player switched positions during a close-out finals game in 1980. Magic Johnson. Fuck, that was an easy one. You got it. That's wrong, though. No, no, no, no. It is Magic Johnson.

You got to say it in the question. That's how we play Jeopardy. What? Who is Magic Johnson? I stole it. No. that's bull we didn't do that you didn't do that

I did I did we'll give it to vote yeah you gotta say who is Magic Johnson or who is so-and-so no we are you are grown you will learn your lesson you don't get that no I did not grow up watching

Jeopardy how is I supposed to know okay either he gets or I get it because I stole it so you you let you know Isaac you get the points I get the point you ask the question you'd rather see him succeed than me yo black brother this is what we're doing let's go

He did people time. I told you I was going to mess up your life. Okay. I told you. Okay. I told you. Okay. Hoot, hoot.

I'll take it. Learn the rules and then we can play. Told you, I've been doing this in seventh grade, okay? Okay. All right. I have years in this Jeopardy game. Dirty. Understand.

Ardulent years. Isaac, the board is yours. So this is the most Donovan thing ever. Facts? Oh my goddamn. Review the tapes. if we have rules there's a reason why we have it

all right if we're not going to pay attention to him someone said the tinkler going off I'm sorry this is why this is exactly why this is exactly why I'm gonna go history for 200

okay most career ejections oof Dennis Rodman I don't know I don't know I don't know it without you guys being able to see or not so close your eyes because I got to see

it's right and wrong if you guys can steal oh I'm wrong okay so you guys can try to steal actually I'll turn my I'll turn it off you guys chat they can't see you right now can't open eyes yeah you can't see my screen anymore yeah also you didn't answer in the form of a question oh you're right fuck okay well I'm out it wasn't Dennis Rodman um who is Rashid Wallace ah Donovan gets it okay yeah chat I'm going to keep a chest. You guys can see my screen. They can't, so they can't cheat or see the answer when I reveal it.

Okay, Donovan gets it. I mean, you were tied at 300 points. Where are we going next? Let's go playoff moments for 500. Ooh, okay, everyone's big. This player scored 37 points to help his team win a game 7 of the 2019 playoffs to then advance to the Western Conference Finals. 37.

37 in a game 7 to advance to the Western Conference Finals in 2019. Who is C.J. McCullum? Correct. Donovan gets it. Oh, man. I would have got that one wrong. I would have said Dame. Me too. I forgot CJ did that. Damn, Donna gets five richer points. Yeah. I remember Dame got hurt that game, too.

Yeah, he was playing bad. All right. What are the other categories again? I can't see. Career path, playoff moments, nicknames, history, and college. Can we go? Can we go career path for 300? Career paths for 300. Okay. So what this is?

This list of the teams they played for. New Jersey Nets, Los Angeles, Lakers, Milwaukee Bucks. 10 seconds. Who is Brooke Lopez? Damn it, you got it again. This is Brooke Lopez. Bro, Donovan is a Jeopardy champion. Brother.

I told you all have years in this game. Oh, my gosh. This is what you do? It's been a while. I haven't played Jeopardy in a while, but there's a reason. It's me versus the class. You're like, yeah. Damn, I should do the Rashid one, man.

I sold. Fuck. What do you want to go next? A lot of my magic Johnson answer. We go, we go nicknames for 200? We can. Flash. God damn it.

These are so easy. Who is Dwayne Wade? Damn it. Donovan gets it again. He's running it up. She said, God damn it. Let's go nicknames for, uh, for 300.

Donovan's killing us. No, the easy ones out the way. Oh my God. Tiny. Who is Nate Archball? Fuck. Uh, oh, man.

We got to do something about this, bro. Hey, we got to break his knees, y'all. Chad, we got to, you guys got to hack him. That's dachs this guy. You got to get the crowbar. Some of some of the bro is the main character in Jeopardy. Tickler's going crazy. It's going crazy.

Nicknames for 400. Air Canada. Oh, who is, who is? Okay, so this is too. You got that dog on him. Don't got that dog in him. Who is Vince Carter? Correct.

400 points for Donovan. He's at 2,000. Oh my God, we're getting walloped. Let's go nicknames for 500. So I said, oh my God, it's tinkle time. equal time 500 the Polish hammer

these are so easy oh who is Marsing Gortat fuck oh my gosh Donald has 2,500 points we need a legendary

comeback we're broke boys right now do we go playoff moments for 400 big tinks baby face Ray 42 Doug that's what it says

Wait, what? Playoff Motel to 400. This is Babyface Ray, 42 Doug. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Dude. No, I'm so mad because I know, I know the meme.

I can't figure it out. I don't know what this means. I'm fried beyond, I'm fried, bro. Oh, no. I know exactly what the, I don't know. I can't. When you say it, I'm a know When you say it, I'm a know

Two, one Nobody knows, nobody wants to steal I'm cooked Who's Tyler Hira? Ron Artecest A soon-to-be dagger three-pointed I put the liquors up by six With a minute remaining

Game 7 NBA Finals They have a song together Called Ron Artest Oh, okay I don't listen to Babyface Rayman Or 42 Doug, fuck I don't know anybody who listened The 42 Doug

That's tough all I know is we paid that's what I was thinking about so does it move on to somebody else now that you got it wrong I don't think so I don't think so but yeah we'll just move on

I got to run next career path for 400 Portland Indiana Toronto Miami Boston Phoenix Golden States oh my god you guy was ass

Portland Indiana Toronto Miami me Boston, Phoenix Golden States Boston's throwing me off He went to Phoenix and Golden States I have

No earthly idea Who this is Portland Indiana Toronto Phoenix Golden State What I'm out of this one And chat doesn't even know too

Yeah no chat is the same shit Chad has no idea Y'all who is this player so said no one knows someone said CP3 holy cow they don't they really don't know nobody has a steal Boston is throwing me off

Boston's was really fucking me up Portland Indiana so who got drafted by Portland let's just free for all whoever gets it first gets it because none of us know we just got to let me share my screen to you guys to see Portland Indiana Toronto

Miami Boston. Nobody like a chat. Phoenix, Golden States. Trapped it by Portland. Oh, I saw it in the chat. God damn it. Yeah, I saw it too. I can't say. Nobody gets it. Germaine O'Neill. Yeah. Chat figured it out for us. You should have been jumping out the gym for this one, Donovan, because you say his name. Dude, I'm selling every time I get an opportunity to fucking run up a score. That was hard. What category we're going to next? That Boston threw me off. I completely. He played for Boston? I don't even remember that. I had no idea. I had no idea.

you either okay college 200 college 200 gnaz reed uh hmm did he go to did he go to texas a and m is not my strong suit yeah texas an m for 200 that's how you say it right no no i'm gonna give you a hit now this this is just all right you have to say who is or what is blank What is Texas A&M? Nah, I promise, if you mess up one more time, we're going past. You are not getting these folks. I'm pretty sure that's wrong. What is LSU?

Oh. Oh, I've got one. Yeah, you're right. You're, I was thinking, ah, damn. I'm not good with colleges either, but I knew that one. If it's the last five years, I'll know a college. Ah, that hurt. I'm not good with colleges at all.

That hurt my soul. Damn. Let's go playoff moments for 100. I got to get numbers on the board. I got to get this winch streak rolling. These teammates each scored 41 points to stay alive. Who is or who are? LeBron James and Kyrie Irving.

Oh. Yeah. Run it up. 600 points. I'm only 1900 down. Let's go playoff moments for 200. 49 point triple double in 2021 semifinals. 49 point triple double.

so who is Kevin Durant how to summon the knowledge on that one let's go all right so I give myself the points Chad we're running it up amazing comeback is on the way I don't even know there's enough points mathematically on the board but I'm going to make it work

there is let's take all the easy ones Career Path for 100 Utah Atlanta Denver Brooklyn Phoenix I don't like this category I mean Philly Philly, Philly. I do not like this category at all.

I think I got it. I got it. Utah, Atlanta, Denver. It goes to me, though. Why? Why does it go to you? I mean, if I get it wrong, anybody can steal, right? It's whoever says first.

Are you ready to get it? Are you going to throw something out before? Oh, yeah. Utah, Atlanta, Denver. Five, you got drafted by Utah. Four, three, two, one paul milsap

and who is paul milsap got to have the buzzer you got to at the buzzer yeah he's not it right though he said Paul milsap oh that is true

you did not say it right I said it after nobody stole it nobody stole it but you didn't steal it it it happened last time because I stole it before no I'm not saying

I'm not saying I'm not saying I get the points but you can't get those though I stole it what do you mean I mean I mean I said it before nobody can steal it no but that doesn't count your answer was

correct. You didn't say who is Paul Mills at. What? Nobody stole it. Nobody, nobody came in and took it. It's not about, it's not about, it's not about who's stealing it. The points are just now into the ether because it's just whatever, but you can't get those, you can't get those 100. If you were said it in the correct verbiage, I did though. I said it right after nobody came and said it.

No. First you said, nobody steals it. Why can't I say it again? But you didn't say it right the first time. Now, you can either get the points and get control of the board or no, fuck you, I'll take control of the board. It's only 100. I don't need it. I'll go history for 100. Name two players in the top five all time personal fouls list. I don't know the all time personal foul list. This is hilarious. All the time personal foul. So personal foul isn't personal, uh, but no, so that's like shooting fouls and stuff. Okay. Who's time? Top five in the personal fouls list. LeBron's not going to be on there because he's so disciplined.

They must have been brown. Is Shaq going to be on there? He played for a while. There's been people that played for a really long time. I'm going to go Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and who else played for long enough? You gotta say it the right, though. I know. Stop.

I'm not done. Listen, I like to see my teammates win. He's not on your team. for a long enough. Yeah, we're not with our teammates. Team TD. Who is Karim Abdul-Jabar and who is Shaquille O'Neal?

Does that count? I didn't say who are. I did two separate who-is is. Are you guys satisfied? It's okay. I think that's cool. Okay. Kareem Malone

Parish, Oakley, Hakeem. Fuck! Damn. I should have won Malone, but I don't want to say his name. I was thinking it's probably going to be big because they're down low. But, okay, nobody gets the points.

Mo, what category are you want to go with. Oh, man. Is that college for 300, I see? That is. Sign me up. I need some on the board. Jalen Brown. Jalen Brown. Who is? Nine. Cal State. What is California? That's wrong. California. What is California? What is California? What is California? California. What is California? California. Ding, ding, me. My points. Give me that fucking board back. Did you? Okay. You know what? You're some dirty-ass players. I hope you know that. Well, you got it wrong. You said Cal State. It's just not Cal State.

I know, I know, but you didn't say it right either. You didn't say it right. You didn't say it right. Yes, I did. I said, what is California? What is California? You didn't say that first, though. I swear I got to rerind the fucking tapes. Yes, I did. Did you say? Rewing the tape. I said, rewind it. Rewind it.

I bet you anything on my life. I said, what is California? You just were talking at the same time. I'm saying, did you say that before you clicked on the next thing? Yes. I said it right after Mo was done, I stole, while you guys were talking, I said, what is California? Because I knew it wasn't fucking Cal State. I immediately said, what is California? Run the tapes back.

I will not be fucked over again. We need to steal it. College, let's do history for 300. The first team to hire a woman on their coaching staff. What is the San Antonio Spurs? Yep, Becky Hammond. That was a layup. I like it. Thank God an easy one, man.

I'm scared of career path. I suck at that. I'm not going to stay away from that category. Let's go History for 400. Which NBA team has made the most franchise finals appearance without winning a title? Oh, that's hard. Damn. World Fight losers. Let's see.

So who has the most conference finals without winning one? So it's going to be an old team that doesn't have a champion. 15 ship. 10. Who doesn't have a title like that? 9. 8. 7. 6. What is the Nets? Who's the Phoenix Suns?

Hmm. Okay. I don't have an answer. Yep, Phoenix Suns. Damn. Did you know that one? Are you just assuming? No, I knew.

I had no idea. That was tough. All right, Donovan's back and control the board. Can we go history for 500? We can. Name one of the two teams To Never Change Name or Location Um, who's the Miami Heat?

Okay Knicks or Celtics Ooh, yeah, I'm surprised you didn't say the Celtics I'm so strong you didn't say the Celtics I guess because it can't probably can't be expansion teams Yeah Probably has to be original NBA teams Okay, okay

Which that's a little twist I guess They should have Yeah, yeah But screw you, you have a big lead so we don't care. Bo, where you want to go? You can have it next. Ah, man.

You know what? I'm going to get this one. Go ahead and give me college for 400. Michael Porter, Jr. What is Mizoo? Yep, what is Missouri? You got it. I was hoping you fold that one.

I was ready. I was ready to jump in. Okay, here we go. Let's run it up again. College, 500. Joe Hampton. Who is Joe Hampton? Brother, I don't even know who that is.

I'm going to say, who is Boston College? Because this sounds like, it sounds like he went to Boston College. Well, what is Kentucky? Dovan, you have a guess? I'm so mad. I don't know. I don't know. Long Beach State.

Yes, yes, that's exactly. because it's from last chance you oh really yes oh i didn't watch the basketball season yes i forgot i forgot what college did he make the league i don't i i don't know you didn't make the league then why the hell is he in this

i don't know so the next one mow got it last time i'll go career path for 200 actually i guess the number has donovan's turn i'll go career path for 500 okay phoenix Hortits, Portland, Nix, Chicago, Milwaukee, Washington, Orlando, Cleveland. Damn. Who is this?

Phoenix, New Orleans, Portland, New York, Chicago. This is incredibly difficult. So is it, you have no idea how great Chad Joe Hampton was. Oh, wow. Yeah, I'm never going to get this. Worland. It's not Ish Smith. He played for the Pistons. Channing Fry

played. No. I have absolutely no idea. I don't know who this is. I'm still so mad about Joe Hampton. I'm doing more research about that dude. He's like so bull. So much bull. He's an internet personality

before basketball player. What are I supposed to do with that information? Chicago, Milwaukee, Washington, or Orlando Cleveland. Okay. Time's up. That's my turn? Yeah, I don't know.

Who is Robin Lopez? Oh, my God. Ah! Orlando Cleveland is the only reason I knew that, because I knew he finished with Cleveland not doing shit. That's good. And then Milwaukee,

I remember him playing with his brother. I don't remember him playing with Washington at all. I remember New Orleans, Phoenix, in New York, and Chicago. I was like, oh, and then I saw the back, and I'm like, okay, I got it. That's really good. really double double lopez and then cleveland is what gave it away yeah last one donovan already secured the win let's see how much i can build in my lead for second place career path for 200 clippers detroit brooklyn boston who was blake griffin

who final score is donovan 29900 me 2200 mo 500 i got i got screwed over so bad no you didn't know but the way he's my word by the rules you get damn about the rules that's the right answer that's how we put it end of the stream for the next 25 minutes or so we're going back to the hot takes

y'all we did our game in the middle it's time for us to do hot takes with you guys in chat right now so spam your hot takes in chat we're going to react to them fresh off what you guys say right now let's do this these are always fun when you guys are spamming them

I have to try my hardest to keep up with the chat while they're spamming them y'all chat we don't even have 400 likes in this and over 700 y'all are in here what are you doing it's right there give it a like makes me happy it makes tinker time happy and also it makes isaic happy all right we don't have to do that we do what we do thinkler right i guess and we don't have to do that we put on for the tinkler xr nia s says yonis last season was just as dominant if not more as prime Shack.

So obviously not more, but do you think that Yonis is currently on the same level of dominant as Shaq? That's subjective asking it worse. Sure. Yeah. I mean, what? Who likes to guard Lianis? Who likes to guard Shaq?

Who likes to guard LeBron? Like, nobody likes to, nobody likes to guard. Barely, plenty of people like to guard LeBron. The job players. All of, I think the only. reason why is I don't think we've seen like Prime Shack still sucked at Fritos and we were able to get

like the Hacker Shack. We're not necessarily doing that for Yannis. So I'm gonna go I'm gonna go Prime Shack. Okay. Also Last thing. Also because Shack understood like you know it's because of the error. Like I'm not stepping out. I'm not taking this like 15 foot middy.

Yannis just needs to understand. Like, hey, you're just not going to be a three-point shooter in your career. That's okay. You're just not built for that. I don't ever want to see Yannis take a three again unless it's outside of desperation. Like, he just doesn't need to be doing that

on a consistent basis. Okay. Zach Levine is the biggest empty stats player in the league and you should be afraid of your team trading for him. Dude is literally Kelly Ubrae Jr. with a better dunk rating from Comedy Monkey. Okay, this is such an L. I feel like so many people genuinely

What was his name again, Isaac? Comedy Monkey. One more time? Comedy Monkey. Ah, clip that, guys. But this is such an L take because Zach Levine is easily one of the most disrespect

with NBA players because of situational. He's never been in a good, he's been in a good position in his career, literally only one other time. And that was back when the Bulls were in their peak, in their prime for like 20 games back in like 2020 or 2021 over whatever or whatever it was he's never had a situation to where like yeah like we have real expectations for this guy or

this team to like exceed or make it to the second round or whatever and also bro he's a bull what do you expect yeah i mean i don't know i mean i'll go l take i think zach levin has plenty of value i think he has to be in the right ecosystem like most he never has been and i think he looks a lot it's easy to say he's crap when he's in a very crap situation and at his lowest value-wise, right? He's been hurt. It's been a dysfunctional team. Ever since DeMarter Rosen came to the team, it's been downhill. We know he was training upwards before DeMarc came,

and then downwards after. Only one ball to go around. Health issues. He basically held out because he didn't want to get traded last year and took the surgery so he didn't get traded the Pistons. Allegedly. It's real easy to shit on him now, but I think if you put him on a team that has confident pieces around him

and he fits the players better, I don't think he's worthless. Yeah, I think you're a fool. you believe that. I remember way back in the day, random side tangent, but way back in the day before Devin Booker became that clear-cut guy, Zach Levine was in like those level of conversations where people were genuinely thought like, yeah, this is potentially like faces a franchise type guy. And then these two just like went to completely separate ways because of how they chose to dominate. I think Zach Levine neglect neglected his athleticism. And I feel like he doesn't use his, he doesn't get to the room

enough, I feel like. Yeah. Develop all those outside things. Haluwan says, Hot Take, Steve Kerr is the most overrated coach of all time. Listen, coming off the Olympics, I get it.

Steve Kerslander is very common. Very, very common. People don't give him enough credit for getting the most out of the Warriors star players, I think. I think people overlooked that he came up by himself with a very smart, or not maybe not by himself,

let me say that, because I'm sure his assistance that helped. But he's the one. that put Steph Curry in this system, used him off ball, made him run around like a little demon. If it wasn't for him, Curry would just be spam and pick and roll like people want and he'd be a worst player for it.

I think he did enough early in his career that I think he's overall a great coach and people a little too hard on him. Yeah. I can agree with that. It's easy. It's easy. You know? I don't know. The Olympic stuff is

very, very clear to where it's like at minimum, You can't be the coach of Team USA. Oh, yeah. He's a very bad team USA coach. We'll say that. Yeah, at minimum there. He's proven to be a very good coach of Steph Curry.

He's extremely good at coaching Steph Curry. And it's better than almost anybody in the planet at getting the most out of Steph Curry. That is proven. Is he a great coach outside the world of Steph Curry? Probably not. But lucky for him, he has Steph Curry. And he's getting over there. I imagine he just retired soon after Steph Curry does.

It's a big luxury to have. Why would he? I never put again if I was, if I was. him after step left i'm not i'm not doing this you're not messing in my like i might do one year to prove i can he already did that when step was hurt i've done my time okay i have a hot take for y'all okay this is off me all right at 26 years old jason tatum has already had a better career has had a better career compared to kairie irving at 26 at carrie well yeah he's the best player in a championship team Sure.

And he has, like, several first team all-N-BAs, made it to multiple finals, led his team, multiple finals, and conference finals. Of course, he has a better career than Kyrie Irving. Are you saying that the level of, like, reverence and aura that Kyrie had at age 26 surpasses all of Tatum? Full, full body, yeah, full body of work. Everything matters. Cooler. I'll go with it. I'll go with it.

Yeah. Give me Kyrie up to 26. I would love to walk around this, Kyrie. room at 26 rather than Jason Taylor. Okay, let's see. What's the next time? These are flying so fast. I got to slow it down. World's overrated, correct.

Everyone agrees here. Matthew Lyons says J-dub will be an all-star starter eventually. This is interesting. Because all of us had, all of us had J-dub as, you know, one of the most valuable players in the league

whenever we did that. I think Isaac had him the always at 21 so like we clearly we and if you you know filter out all of the old guys we clearly think that he has like top 20 top 15 type of potential i don't i don't think this is where he's going to be i don't know if jadip is ever going to be one of the two best forwards in the conference i think he could maybe but not perennially not perennially he's not going to be like consistently that level i think he'll do just below it he'll be he'll be a secondary star like being an extremely great

consistent all-star but not going to be consistently one of the five best guys in the conference I don't think so. Next one let's keep looking Kobe's the greatest player

of all time Lakers was playing on a hot take T-Mack would be the best offensive player if he played in our generation and never got hurt so T-Mack being drafted

in 2019 would be the best offensive player of all time no simply because he's not that level of passer and when you think of offense it's not only just getting

straight up buckets he'll be you can tell me he's the best score I'm like okay I understand but offense you're thinking about other things too what is he doing when he's not scoring the ball because that's very valuable too someone said Jalen Brunson

is a top five NBA player right now Donovan get off your phone we know that was you expose that username ironically the guy in the chat's name is Isaac I guess I'm typing that. Is Donovan playing mind games?

That's what it is. Fax is trying to cover himself. Putting on the alias. So many, dude, the chat's going crazy. Could you say Janlon Brunson's a top five

offensive player in the NBA? Fuck no. Damn, he said, fuck no. Donovan, how do you feel about that? He said, fuck no. He didn't say no.

He said, fuck no. Hey, he's going to do what he does. It's okay. You could tell me bucket getter and I could entertain that conversation. Even then, no. Wow.

Luca, Joelle Embeddardt, one and two, right? Kevin Durant, Shea, Donovan Mitchell. At least. That's five better already. All right. Can I get to 10? Maybe not. Maybe not, but I can get to five.

All right. Go ahead. Steph Curry. Ooh, yeah, sorry. Pitcher biases against you? You lost on that one. Tushay. Good job.

Yeah. Respect, respect. Random LOL says, 2018 is the most overrated version of LeBron, and Miami Braun is much better. I... That's an L-Sik. Is 2018 Braun overrated, maybe a little bit?

Because I agree 2013 is probably better for all of my reasons. but I don't think it's so overrated that I'm going to be like 2018 LeBron is so overrated he was blah blah blah blah like he was also it's also a great year and I know he's not athletically

what he was in 2013 but the talking points people have with him being more skilled, smarter are real so I guess if you're saying you don't think it's the best version of him and some people do then sure technically it's underrated

but it's not far behind I think it's better than a lot of the other versions probably a second version The thing about 2018 LeBron is that was the year where he really made a serious like shooting leap and just like he that was his best offensive year in my mind his main range was ridiculous that year bro his exactly just going to the post and just

fade fade fade fade fade fade and they just all go in like we've never seen it that christend pristine everything that Kobe and Jordan fans said about LeBron that he couldn't do this couldn't do that wasn't this type one-on-one killer get a bucket when you did he proved all that wrong that year like that was his version of playing like Jordan that year people forget listen I understand how you feel in the moment I would have voted for Braun to win MVP that year I think like I understand that James Harden won it the the the Rockets were amazing James was you know peak of his power doing all that taking taking that Cavs roster getting them to 50 wins right and still still putting them in a position where they were at the top of the conference in terms of like having home court at advantage in the first round in the top four that is ridiculous and then seeing lebron's numbers like the carry job that he did was crazy and then seeing exactly what russell westberg had did the year prior and seeing the carry job that he did he got MVP from six why can't lebron get MVP from four

so that year james hardham put up 36 points average 36 was putting up stat lines and he was on the tour just they were they were playing the steady osman in the playoffs You understand the level of just how bad that that 2018 roster was without them. And they got to, obviously, this doesn't matter in like MVP voting, but they got to the finals. They got to 50 wins in a, in like an Eastern Conference that still had some players in it. Like, I think that the level of play that we saw from LeBron was insane. and I do think that he actually was the most valuable player in the league that year.

Do you know how NBA discourse would have been and how the hardened fans and stands would be if we witness as a man, I would have been at 36 a game and not earn that MVP while also being a top seat in the Western Conference? Oh, I would have been heated. If you got robbed in 17 and 18, oh, I would have been heated. Yeah, that's not like we just can't let that happen as much as I love LeBron more than anyone. Like, I just... And he wasn't far back in 15 and 16. too, like it was building up.

If he didn't get 18, oh, I would have been mad. I would have been irate. Like, NBA history would be so skewed and, I don't know. That MVP from LeBron just wouldn't feel right. So, James, James, James, I'm not even mad about 19, only because 18 happened. If 18 also didn't happen, then 19 happened, and Janus got over 36 point for Game Hardin, I'd have been fucking breaking things. James, listen, in 20, in 2018, that year, James average, or, yeah, James Hardin average,

30, 5.4 rebounds, 8.8 assists. LeBron, 27 and a half, 8.6 rebounds, 9.1.6. Like, the 3 point, wow, this is crazy. They shot the same percentage from 3 that year. And then LeBron obviously was more efficient. But that level of LeBron just isn't, it just wasn't appreciated enough. I agree. It definitely, like, should have been closer.

than what the final tally was. James Hardin ended up getting 86 of, or 85 of the first place votes. LeBron got 15. That should have been much, much closer, you know? So, so yeah, I don't think 2018 is over it. I do think that that is one of those versions where you, we're going to get 10, 15 years down the line. We're already six years away from it.

But you're going to get years and decades down the line to be like, no, that version and that year of LeBron was different. Yeah. All right, man. The last night of our hot takes, if you guys are still here, at the beginning of the episode, I promised a merch giveaway.

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