The Deep 3 Podcast - Reacting To A Crazy Week In The NBA | TD3 Live

Episode Date: December 9, 2025

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We come up here a lot, you know, every week, talk about the same types of things, NBA shenanigans, stuff that goes on every single week, right? I have to say. This is the funniest weekend of NBA news we have to talk about in quite a long time. We have absolute nonsense to talk about this week. Some goofy-ass stuff happened, and it's going to be great to die straight into it. Tell me about it. Well, I'm going to save the goofy stuff because I need to let people get time to get into the stream to get the funniest part.

But just know, the New York Knicks have a new enemy. I'm sure you're well aware. Yes, I was told. What's the name? What do you look like? You'll see. T-Rex. Hmm.

Okay. Noticing some. Yep, yep, yep. Lots of funny stuff to talk about including that. We'll get to it. I think we should start. Let's give an update. We never had a chance to talk in depth about Chris Paul being fired by the Clippers.

We alluded to it at the start of the last episode that we forgot to talk about it. We have lots of new news pertaining to this Chris Paul story. As you guys know, he was cut about a week ago now. In the dead of night, Sean's tweets it says they are releasing Chris Paul. He's away from the team being sent home. and everybody immediately jumps and says how could you possibly do that to a team legend to a team goats

this is disgusting to treat a legend this way, right? Then we got a lot more updates and now people were debating. Is it disgusting or did he wear out his welcome and did he deserve it? I want to know your guys' reaction to this. First, starting with this,

Chris Paul reportedly told Kauai to switch off of Clay Thompson because Kauai were struggling. Jeff Van Gunny then told Chris Paul you might have had leeway in other places that changed with defensive coverages but you don't have that leeway here.

My question to you is, does Chris Paul have that leeway? He should. He should. Like, I can understand this sentiment if, like, Terrence, man, back in the day, like, if he was doing something like this, or if you were getting somebody that is just not that caliber of player. But when you know that Chris Paul is one of the smartest players in NBA history, he should have a little bit of leeway, right? He should be able to say, hey, what? Let's just not do this. Yeah.

And clearly, whatever Jeff Van Gundy was running wasn't working because Kauai was getting cooked. He just, he just came back. He has to run around trying to follow Clay Thompson. He can't do it. Hmm, coaches. Why don't we try to be a little bit smarter? And he wasn't even like, Kauai, go do this? It was more of a like, Kauai, do you want to do that?

Like, like, let's, it's a, it's a suggestion. And for Jeff Van Gogh to do this, it clearly obviously stems from. you are no longer like the star of the team you can't really be doing that i understand that there's also guys in NBA history that have played in the league for a long time done great things one of the been one of the best players at their position like chris paul if he wants to tell him hey let's just switch real quick let's do it because again they're getting beat by 20 every night you see i agree with you but also when it comes to talking about Chris paul he's world renowned as like the greatest

asshole or the worst asshole of all time superstar wise he's not beating people up he's not putting hands on folks like Jordan he's not like completely disintegrating his teammates like Draymond Green or nothing like that he's just mad annoying we hear time and time again through certain

stops that he's made throughout his career but at this point in time it kind of feels weird to hear someone like Chris Paul say stuff like that try harder on defense so in every single time you know like Reda like the Cal in my living room could blow past by you at this point in time in your career. He's right about this stuff he's saying, but also he can't do none too.

Chad, what do you guys think about this now? Obviously, I'm sure you guys like us, the first reaction was how could you just send him home? When you know he's on his retirement tour and you know he came here because he wanted to play his final season in his most celebrated organization, right? The best versions of Chris Paul, I think most people would associate with the clippers. So he wanted it all there. And they said, nope, we don't care. We're prioritizing the team over your make-a-wish retirement tour.

Obviously, we're all very upset about that when it happened. It feels nonsensical, right? But now that we have background knowledge. Now that we know that he wasn't on speaking terms with Tailu, you can blame who you want there. Apparently, Jeff Van Gundy had issues with him, trying to coach essentially when they feel like they have coaches there, knowing the dynamic is different when you're washed up and not the best player.

So now you're annoying, grading, do things my way. It doesn't quite have the same leeway, like Van Gundy said. Do you guys think it's at least understandable to release Chris Ball? Hell yet. So you fully swing. No, no, no, no. It's understandable for them, right? For the clippers to go out and make this move, I get it.

Yaddaus Haslam was getting checks for years, right? Franchise, like a franchise legend was just in the locker room, just being like, hey, do this, do that. He wasn't playing for real, right? Anytime that Yadonis got on the court post-20, what, 18, right? Like, after D. Wade retires. If Haslam is on the court, you know, oh, the heater game beat by 25. Right. Like, that's, that's kind of where we're at.

There's always going to be players like that. And so I think that for the clips, when you already have this team of old veterans together, we're trying to figure this out, right? We're trying to put everything together to recreate what we did last year. And if Jeff Van Gunny, if what you're saying is not working, Tailu, if what you're saying is not working, that's fine. You know that a team led by Kauai, who's going to be a non-vocal leader, and James Harden, who isn't the best defender in the,

world either. Somebody has to step up and say something. You know what works really well and why Jonas Hasam has been able to just like yell at anybody and like helps create and continuously maintain the solid culture and infrastructure just grind hard every day, give 110% is because they got goats and Eric Spolstra, someone like Pat Riley who's constantly like the mafia knowing your every single move, bro. And then I'm talking about that too. Like you have the face of your franchise who's constantly around and Dway and you set a certain standard. The thing is, it's like, these motherfuckers have no standard. They have no culture at all.

So who are you looking at to set this turn? Kawhi, like we said, James Hart, like we said, he ain't doing that. Yeah, somebody in the comments said, the clippers ain't shit. They deserve no grace. And he's just hating on the clippers, which everybody's well within the right to do. But I think he raises a good point, whether or not it's like on purpose or just hate. It's hard to get them the benefit of the doubt for the exact reasons you just laid out. That everything makes sense.

It would be annoying for a washed up veteran to be doing too much, creating. a negative presence in the locker room, et cetera, I'm more inclined to think you're the problem when you had the backtrack record of the Clippers, when you have what we know about the leadership style of all these guys, I'm more inclined to think that maybe you should give him some credence. Maybe you should listen a little bit, let him do his thing,

because maybe you need it. Yeah, exactly. You do need it. Right now, the Clippers are 25th in defense. Dude, since they let go, Chris Paul, they lost to the Minnesota Timberwolves, they lost to the Memphis Grizzies without Jaw and Jaron Jackson Jr. playing the way he did.

They beat Atlanta, but without Jail and Johnson, Congrats you beat Mo Gay. I'm so happy for you, brother. You lost against Miami and you lost against the Dallas Mavericks. Nothing has changed. And you know what's so great about all this? It linked up Lop City

in the United Hatred for the Clippers. They had a group based on call. Chris Paul posted it. Him, Blake Griffin, DeAndre Jordan on the same call, yucking it up, laughing about how much they hate this franchise after they were pretty much all done dirty in different ways by them.

Less so, DeAndre Jordan. I think he was one that was taking care of the most, funnily enough. But, you know, they had their breakup whenever they're all together. They're the all guy, each other's nerves. Now they can collectively bond about how much they hate their old boss. And I love that for them.

This is, this honestly underrated move for a CP3's legacy. Okay. Had he stayed on the Clippers, we would have went through this entire year, right? He would have looked like a 40-year-old NBA player who is on his last year, who is going to retire, all of that. And it would have been a bad season because he obviously wasn't going to play extremely well. They were going to lose a lot of games. Now, he leaves. he is no longer connected to the clippers they keep losing and everybody says you did a franchise

legend bad like this you you had a top three top five point guard of all time on your roster to be a culture setter and you didn't want him how how dare you now everybody can go and reminisce about how good chris paul was now they can reminisce over how good of a of a leader and a culture center that chris paul was so he can he can continue to laugh at the clippers for the of the year and say ha ha this is on you it's not my fault yeah you know it's funny we had a clippers fan on twitter talk about that fact that he is quitting his fandom and we have a bleacher report graphic talking about it as real news clippers fan of 19 years quits joins lakers after lacc sent cp3 home sad emoji heartbreak emoji blickriffin on tv was presented with his information was asked about it

he said go find your peace king he goes signs it this is such a terrible look man you're right on Honestly, this does nothing but raise up CP3's legacy in general. And we have to be like, oh, shit, like you endured this level of incompetency for the entire, not entire length of your career, but your entire tenure with the Clippers. That's tough, man. They don't do nothing right at all. And they were given the perfect opportunity on a silver platter to build some sort of culture. Would have been losing?

Yes, but culture's culture at the end of day. I love that we've talked about the Clippers on essentially every episode, every stream of this season. and the tone gets progressively more dark every single time. We start off, said, wow, man, they're losing, they're 0 and 3 now to start.

Getting kind of worried. Maybe they need to get some norm, maybe Bradley Bill's got to play better. Week 2 comes out. Bradley was off for the season. Wow, so I guess he's not going to replace norm, pal. James Hardin looks good, though. We'll see what happens.

Week 3 comes around. Yo, they're 15th in the West. They look dead. Next week comes around. Oh my God, they hate Chris Paul. They put his head on a spike. Like, it just keeps getting worse. I don't know where we can go from here.

I guess the next logical explanation is we're going to get a follow-up to the aspiration story and they're going to have to give rid of draft pitch or something pretty soon. Yeah, it's either the follow-up or, oh my goodness, Tailu has been fired from the clip. Wow, like that is, that's the progression. Yeah, someone said, boat in the chat said it went from y'all is shit to y'all are a disgrace. Pretty much. It went from slow start to your garbage to I hate you. Yeah.

I honestly think whatever happens with the aspiration stuff, it just adds more fuel to the fire with what I'm about to say. but they should relocate. They should not, like, they should cease to exist. They should be, they should belong in an entirely new NBA city, right? Damn. Well, I don't know if San Diego's going to save them. I don't know if it's going to make a difference in. Las Vegas, man, is right there.

But aside, that would be crazy. Aside from relocating, they do need to blow this team up. We're going to talk about this for about two weeks now. Since we hit that point of their cycle where we said the team has no hope, we've been talking about the fact that he just ripped the bandit off, trade Hardin, maybe trade Zubach, trade the role players like Chris Dunn and Derek Jones, Jr. Do the best you can to salvage your pick situation.

We have a report from Brian Woodhorse relating to this. People around the league believe Kauai Leonard now has negative trade value. I ain't go lie. You, Steve Bomber, money aside when it comes to the aspiration stuff, he needs to start giving Klippers fans stimulus checks. That's the only reason why I will be continuously rooting for this. If I was a clippers fan, you got to pay me at least 60 a month, bro. Pay me for my league past presence, minimum.

Would you want to see Kauai on the Hawks? I saw some Hawks fans talking about that. No. No, no. I mean, he'll be better. Obviously, it would be like a huge upgrade, but considering the contract and the inconsistencies in his health, like I'd rather,

I'd rather just keep all of our assets at home. Well, he wouldn't cost many assets, really. Like, it really wouldn't take assets for real. If he has negative trade value? Like, you know, there's KPs contract, some other stuff, maybe some like light picks or whatever. Like, it'd be very, very casual. But like, if he was available for relatively cheap

to return rip the band it off, is there any vision you have adding this big wing that can create into a team, trying to be big wings that can create? What's the deal? What's the deal? I wouldn't know. KP salary and maybe Risha Shea.

It's very short-sighted. Risha, who cares? He's on the market, y'all. I would consider it. I also saw people talking about that, I think it was Ackloh actually, was talking about that the Clippers make a lot of sense of the Trey Young team.

So maybe they give you Kauai plus picks or actually you don't have picks. Hell no. Kauai plus something. Hell no, no. No, no, not in this scenario like this, but like a lot of people were talking about

they're trying to go for cap space this coming summer. and they're going to start with their bandit off and right now their main plan before all this was to have it be a 2026 cast-based team when their pick situation a little bit better maybe that becomes a 20-25 I mean vice versa

27 than 2026 Trey Young's gonna be a free agent they might try to get them maybe there's a signing trade situation where you get Kauai this summer that would make you very unhappy and then that's the scenario where they let Trayong walk which is a very real scenario

yeah that would make me very very unhappy I would hate that so much because now I don't know what what Kauai's contract situation is looking like right now. I'm assuming easy. Then he just resigning out like three years left on his deal or whatever. Yeah, probably two or three years. I would be wildly unhappy because now my franchise is in a disgusting headlock by you.

You don't play games like that. Your defense is like that. You're still a great player. Shooting fucking 50, 40, 90, insane. But you as an individual has not done anything productive on the basketball court for fucking two years really, right? Well, he's just like twice a week. I got his deal. So right now, this year, Kauai is making $50 million.

Next year, he's making $50.3 million, and then unrestricted free agent. So he's an expiring contract. I will say, guy like me would have traded Kauai a long time. My dad has, because, you know, my dad, he was going for the clippers for a minute, and then Kauai's been in and out. And he has said for the last two years, and I fully agree with him, he said kawai cannot get not one more of my dollars like if you are an NBA team and you trade for kawai you're GM you're fired you're you're you're fired like I don't unless you are getting like

a vast like surplus of picks because the clippers feel like they have to attach something to go to to get off of the kawai money which they wouldn't because next year he's just going to be an expiring and you can deal with that so if you if you are trading for kawai at this point in hopes of, oh, Kauai's going to help us get over the hump. You are dumb. I think the only type of team that would make a trade for Kauai is a team similar-ish to the Hawks. Hawks are a little bit, like I think we're past that now, but a team that has a budding star

loading and they need the star to have like more juice or creation or firepower, which I guess is the Hawks. But that's just, that can't happen. I think our GM2 is smart. Depends on the opportunity cost. If it is just like KP's money, like I don't know. They're just giving you Klaap for free for KAP. Sure. I mean, we did that with KP. Why don't, though? I don't know. Yeah, like, I don't, I don't know if Kauai is, well, actually, I do know.

Kauai is not reliable enough to where I would feel like breaking up any, anything. And, and. If you're the, if you were the, if you were the, if you were the pistons and. No. No. That's not very much. No. No. No. Absolutely not. Wow. Right. Next story. A very funny game went down this weekend. Magic versus Knicks. This can happen during the day Happened when football was on So a lot of people didn't get to see it But in this game before we get to the funny part Franz Wagner got hurt

Because Huck Porty Chase him down, threw him to the ground Looked real bad I thought Franz Wagner had lost his ACL That's not the case Up did today He's gonna be out for two to four weeks With a high left ankle spring

So we ducked a season Of no Franz Vogne on the magic Just Palo Ben Carroll and Desmond Bain hoops Thank God we don't have to watch that That's the good part Now let's get to the real funny part Because in this same exact game Desmond Bain made himself

the funniest man in America. Desmond Bain tried to save a ball. Yo, man, what are you on, man? What are you doing? He threw a ball as hard as he could at Ogen, Nobie, for no fucking reason. He caught the ball inbounds, could have just ran backwards and threw it as hard as he could

at Ogen and O'GN and O'B. Mind you, this is a flagrant foul. Two, he should have been ejected for this. He got, he got a tech. This is wind up. This is power throw. Like, this is everything. He put all of his might.

into this throw for absolutely no reason. He was already dead. He's a dirty guy. He fights dirty, but his hands and knees are on the ground. O. O. J. Anadobie back turned. He's got a fucking ball throw.

He's so hard. For what? You know he's strong. You see those muscles. He's got some hoof to him. He's got a Caleb Williams arm throwing bullets at Ogen and Ogen and O'Don. What's going on? Why did he do this?

Like he could have just turned around. Like he was fully stopped ball in possession. Didn't need to save it. He just threw it as hard as he could for the love of the game. Yeah, this is a problem. And Desmond Bain. Listen, as soon as I saw this, right, understand.

Yeah. You're on the hate watching. It's over. Your public enemy, number one, I will never rule for the Orlando Magic as long as you're on that team. We're praying on your downfall, buddy. You said, congratulations. You've gained a new hater. And guess what?

I am right with you, bro, because this same shit happened. I think you missed the game. And I think you're watching live or so might that. And we were talking about it in the group chat. He did the same thing to Onyaka Okonu. On a fast break, what the fuck is up with this dude playing defense on the fast break, bro? And just tore his whole arm out, trying to tear his shoulder and he swatted the ball down his face too.

It was even worse. This makes no sense. He's a repeat defender. He just does this. He's something. Somebody was talking. We got to check him for the PEDs because once every five business days, he roid rage is out on the courts.

Yes. This is not okay. And so this one is slightly, slightly more. understandable just because the magic we're getting belt in this game. The Hawks were running them up. It was very clear Desmond Maine does not want to play basketball. And this was especially when he was shooting terribly. And he was going like one for nine, two, four, eleven, all those things.

So if you just say, listen, I'm checked out today. I'm going, I'm going to hit the showers. I don't want to play. Fine. I can kind of understand that. You did not have to do that to OG. You did not have to, you do not have to do that at all. But now, again, before Christmas, we have two instances.

If this doesn't lead to a suspension, Adam, we're running up to the NBA headquarters and we're handing it out ourselves. This cannot be tolerated in our league. I will say he's been doing this shit for a minute, though. Like, he's been the fucking epitome of like Mount Rushboard, douchebag level in the NBA over the last three, four years. He'd been doing it since he was in Memphis. He did it multiple times to LeBron.

He did just so many star players. It's him, Dylan Brooks and Jaws. It's like, it's a part of the reason why they were so good, bro. They missed that. They had all these menaces on your team. Yep. So this is, I had another TikTok

that I didn't put in the dock I meant to. There's like five plays people compiled of being similar breed of violence on the court or it's all just like, what are you doing?

Calm down. And naturally, every talking ahead in sports media is talking about this. We have a comment from Boogie Cousins who calls our O.G.

Anobie for not properly defending himself against Desmond Bain. I'm not saying punch him in the face, but maybe slap this shit out of them. Boogie is the worst. guy to get advice from, bro, fuck.

I'm not saying kill him, but kill him. Fuck, what are we talking about? Shout to you, boogie. I understand that. I really do. Now, is O.G. Anovi the problem? Are the Knicks just soft? Yeah, how do you get the ball throwing at you and now you're the issue?

That doesn't make sense. What was funny about that play, too, is that. O.G. pushed away, Desmond Bain and Desmond was like, yo, ref, ref, ref, push me. What do you mean? Put your hand down, bro. We see you.

It's cameras everywhere. What's wrong with him? Hey! Yo, he's a Hall of Fame manipulator. Not even a Hall of Fame. He's just bad at it. Yeah, this isn't good manipulation. Yeah, very funny.

Naturally, a lot of Nick's fans are saying the same idea of Donovan that, welcome to the Haywatch, buddy. You're not going to be with that I'm reading for for the rest of your career. You know, Knicks fans don't, don't get, they don't let anything go. They still hate you well and beat to this day. I'm still, first right.

Yes, I'm still mad at Treon. But it's all good, though, because O.G. and Bain chopped it up after the technical. They're all good. You see, O.G didn't have a grudge. Maybe he had a little of a grudge after he went home and watched the clip, but he understands. You know what? I think that's what's wrong with the Knicks, man. I think why the New York Knicks aren't the runaway, number one overall seed.

in the Eastern Conference because they don't have no fucking enforcers anymore they should have someone run up on Desmond Bain and really push his ass

to the side right, slap the teammate or something like that because a whole royal rumber or something like that. If Desmond Bain

would have did this to J-dub I'd say a heart and sign would put him to headlock. Yeah, brough if he would

have done this to Luca, Marcus Smart would have ones with him immediately that is true. And you look at teams that make deep runs, teams that go to the finals,

the Indiana Pace and several years ago, the moment it looked like anybody was about to put their hands on Tyrese Halliburne. Next day, James Johnson had a job. The Knits, I would, I would call James Johnson. I would see what his availability is. Like, run our test, do you want to come back into the league, right? P.J. Tucker, do you want

to play for us again? There is an open spot and everybody needs to have an enforcer. Who's your enforcer right now? I would maybe like, I don't know, Mitchell Robinson, but he's just in the corner of playing a banjo or something. It's weird in this corner. Can rely on him for nothing. he's not enforcing anything he said he's someone on the bench talking about when are they going to play some real music here whether they get turned this rap shit off give me away from new york take me to god's country all this cursing in my ears where are some instruments all this jZ you play someone talented but you know he's the best offensive rebound in the listen to what you want brother get away with it but i mentioned that before

this dozen being comedy happened in the first quarter. Franz Wagner went down with that injury, being chased down by Ariel Hookporti. He's going to miss two to four weeks now. And then this is the sentiment on the timeline I saw that is worth talking about. Franz has done it without Palo. Every opportunity he's had.

So let's see if Palo will finally lead his team to win without Franz. Very excited to see this. Not as like a former Franz slander. Like I think this is setting up, this is just Franz slander. But I mean, my bad, this is just Palo slander. Yeah.

Not even for that point to say like he can't do it. He sucks, can't leave the offense. I want to find out. Yeah, he's never had the opportunity. I think he came back a little bit before Franz last time whenever they both had those same Ab injuries but you know came back from injury himself Palo first couple games haven't gone great but we'll give him grace he's come back from an injury missed time he tends to be a slow starter so they'll probably get fine I do want to see what it looks like because we've had so

many conversations about the lack of offensive success here about how sometimes it looks better playing through Franz because he's a better driver and playmaker etc what if it looks good again with Palo leading and no Franz and it's just like they can't do it together one or the other it works super well. Real conversations would have to be had, bro.

Real conversations would have to be had. And at this point in time, this is, we're in a space where Orlando Magic fans don't have no room. Like the room for excuses is just inescapable at this point.

Yeah. Because we've, but we have like so much time, especially this year. Over the last, like, I guess 10 games now, these motherfuckets have like a top three or four offense.

So the chat said, we give that grace to young players. Cookies Palo you love cookies Cookies Sorry for you to be the one Yeah I wonder It's like

It's gonna be a good Litmus test To give Pablo a few more games To get healthy If Franz does miss Closer to four weeks What is that like 15 games Or 10

How much you play in a month You play like 16 17 games in a month Okay so yeah If we have five more games Of Paulo to get his legs under him And a solid 10 game sample size Of him

Desin Bain Jalen Suggs And I get started to Silva instead of Franz to give them a little more spacing. If it works really well and we see the offense continue to churn, I wonder if it's going to be a thing of like, hey man, we keep seeing this one forward plus extra spacer works real well. Doesn't even matter who the forward is.

We just need one of these guys out there. If you're a magic fan, what is, what's more frustrating? If Paolo plays well and the offense is good and it's a case of you can't just play, like they can't play well together, or the offense is like mid. And now you have this entire, like, season of, like, Palo's not the guy, but he's clearly as, like, prioritized as the guy.

Like, what's more frustrating? Oh, that. If Palo's not the guy, that's the fucking worst case outcome possible. That would be a disaster. If they have no success under Palo and then they, you can point to all these times or Franz led them doing well, playing through him, that would be an utter disaster. God, that can't happen. I refuse to believe.

I agree. That is way worse. Yeah, that would be terrible. And that would just, like, feed all the haters that want every reason to say Palos not the guy, play through Franz. he's better it would be because what do you even do in that situation like you i mean at that point in time realize and accept that you have a ceiling on your team and embrace being mediocre and base being embrace being the third fourth seed in the eastern conference for a couple of years until

that shit dies down retool but or just find the next like disappointed superstar but the other option is literally creating a civil war within your fan base yeah of if palo plays well without Franz or Franz plays well without Palo. Then you have everybody split and now you're either team Palo or team Franz. Like that's also not good. Now we got a Monta Ellis Palo send him away like the other guy thrive. Oh fuck.

That's a comparison. That would suck because you give a four person on picture Desmond Bain. Franz is gone. If Palo comes out and the offense isn't good anymore, like they could enter some purgatory talks real quick if it doesn't work. Even outside of just Palo, if when they're both are there again and if things don't go as swell they have

the past two weeks, they could be learning with purgatory. He's duo can't work together. The biggest, like Jamal Mosley is praying. It's just praying. Palo, please. Please make your jump for you.

I hope and prayed that I think I actually assume that things will like end up turning out for the better because Franz has shot better from three. I think he's shooting like, what, 36% since the last time I checked so far this year. And that's amazing for his standards. One of the best of his fucking career. And so hopefully that'll translate better. it's going to be interesting seeing like how if you watch the first game against

or Paul's first game back I think he played like 20 minutes or whatever he was clearly like deferring a little bit and trying to play more intentionally and not pound the ball there at all bringing out when to set screens and when to cut and all that just being like more so a fucking role pair than ever obviously I was getting his

lungs back into him as well and regardless of what happened in that game that doesn't really care to me I think he's aware now of what is going to need to happen for this it to take place. Yeah, for sure. Like, Desmond Bain is playing very well as a driver.

Franz is obviously Franz playing as good as he ever has as a driver. Yeah. Jalen Suggs looks good. Like, I'm sure Pallel is not an idiot. You know, he might be a little hard-headed as a player, but he's not an idiot. Like, I'm sure he understands that there's more mouse to feed. The ball needs to swing around. I can't be quite as.

I need to find a way to play off ball. And you mentioned Franz Wagner shooting well now. That's obviously encouraging for the fit between them two to work and then being able to maintain this level of him playing at when they're both together. I would like to see Palo and Carol shoot well at some point from three. Like it's been so often on for him. him like it really there is more stretches of him not being a great shooter than there is him being a good three point shooter and to me that's the bigger concern since naturally he's

going to go off all like we said yeah and I think I do think that the shooting is going to be better in this stretch just because to start the season it has been so bad and like you know he's not that bad you know he's not a sub 30 kind of kind of guy he might be 32 33 right maybe maybe 34 but like like the the percentages that he was shooting it will get back from there So we might get a stretch where he starts to go crazy from three. And now his averages, you know, like even out. And that crazy three-point stretch is now giving everybody hope of like, okay, now we can really put it together. There's a chat trading palo everywhere.

Someone said Palo walking to Brooklyn Neds. Someone said Palo walking to Atlanta. They're trying to get him out of here. Oh, no, trust me. Trust me, brother. We got a better version of Apollo at home. Better. Straight off that.

Better version? Better version. Clearly clear as day. clear as day Jalen Johnson his last five games 30 points for game 13.8 rebounds per game

10.8 assists per game 50% from the field 44% from 3 and 40 minutes for game MVP numbers says hoop central 2 weeks from now really a week and a half from now we are going to do our Christmas episode

December 19th we will rank the top 30 players in the NBA I am going to do hell right now planning where I'm going to rank Jalen Johnson Get ready for uncomfortable conversations, buddy. He's fucking top 10 right now. I'm not going that far. I feel like I have to rank about Power Van Caro at this rate.

We'll see how it goes in the next two weeks if he maintains this. I said last week's episode, we did our Power Rankings. And I said, I think, no, I said this during our PowerFords tier list. Talking about both these guys. I said, I think Jalen Johnson is probably the best playmaking PowerFord right now. Yeah, in the entire league. Yeah. Like, obviously, Janus is Janus.

So put him above that. But that's, you know, usage thing. Drumon Green is an amazing passer. LeBron is LeBron still. We get it. Yeah, we didn't put him in a power forward list. We want to include him, sure. Outside of the obvious names like that,

I think Jalen Johnson might be the best playmaking wing right now. Yeah, I think that's not crazy to say at all. And going back to this Paulo and Jalen Johnson conversation, we have. Magic fan in the chat said top five most inflated stats. Get the fuck out of here. They're producing real wins, brother. Mind you. What are you going to say?

I told you this before the show. I was watching Jaden Johnson and I was seeing the things that he's been doing. and I've been thinking Adam Subras to step in. The league has gotten way too wide open. He's putting up triple doubles like nobody's business. He's going band for band with Yogish on

a Saturday night. I'm saying we need to bring the dead ball era back. There is no reason. Inflation is a problem. There is no reason why Jaylon Johnson should be out here average 30, 14, and 11. This is crazy. I'm seeing this.

Shout out to Jaylon Johnson. All-Star 9. It's on the way. The accolades can happen. I just can't have the history books looking like this. This is crazy. This should not be happening. He's saying instead of Jail and Johnson praise, yo, Adam Silver, we got to have a conversation

to my defense, bro. You can't let anybody get 30. Move the shot clock to 30 seconds. Let's slow the game down. Let's bring back hand-checking. This can't happen. This is too much. This is where I draw the line for that inflation.

They're in the chat. Somebody mentioned Franz Wagner and Scottie Barnes. As other people, when I mentioned, John Johnson might be the best playing wings. Yeah, that's the conversation to me, is Scotty Barnes with Jalen Johnson. And I mean, listen, 10 assists per game is 10 assists per game. Obviously, he's not going to average out for a season. This is only a five-game stretch.

Yeah. Jalen Johnson looks to be just a good of a passerer to Scotty. And he's a better score, more aggressive score. So obviously that's a little bit helps you open up on my phone. You want to see it? My bad. I'm not looking for him shirtless. I'm not looking at him sure it looks like you are. But, you know, he feels like such like an MPC as a star to some degree that like, this guy's average, don't even tell what the fuck? Maybe he's just like that.

And maybe he's just the next superstar. Yes, he's been like that for fucking really four years. No, he hasn't been. You keep saying that. People say that. Three years ago, he averaged 15, 8 and 3 or whatever. Different conversations. He's literally averaging double the numbers of what you just said.

But I'm saying he's been like that. And really, of course, he's been better. But the opportunity of this he too has fucking changed last year. I used to complain about how. Yo, I love Tray Young and all that, but he's not letting Jalen Johnson bring the ball up the court. That was not his responsibility at all.

And now he's been trusted more, and of course he's gotten a little bit better training with LeBron James and all that over the summer. Cool beans. But if you've been looking at him over the last two years, brother, he's being good. He just hasn't been healthy and he hasn't had opportunity.

No, you're right. We talked about him last year, obviously. We were very high on him being an all-star before he got injured. We did our predictions episode. We all had him as a routine all-star last year. So we're well aware he's been good. It does feel different.

And I think the biggest thing is, like you said, Trey Young being gone is mostly opportunity and him being able to flexed at even more. But I don't know, like, it is that. The scoring aggression does go different. The half court offense that he's just getting better and better at. He's like, oh, shit. He's moving different.

Like the shot and the aggression and the playmaking reads, like he does look just a lot better than the last year even when accounting for the usage rate jump. But the usage rate is crazy. So it is mostly usage we're talking about here. That's why this sounds like so inflated. He has like 100th percentile for a forward usage, 40 minutes a game like this is mostly by necessity but listen if he shoots 43% from three that alone

is a different type of player yeah he's he's genuinely improved as a as a shooter because if you look at his free throw numbers every single year they go up three point numbers every senior year is going up his shot in general looks more fluid and as you see like the three levels to his game something that he's been i would say heavily criticized by hawks fans it's always been just so jagged and so kind of wonky looks like he grew limbs just two days ago and all that and he just moved like Frankenstein just a couple years ago and now he's

gained a certain level of confidence and like he has he's building up a bag I will say yeah he handles better now that's a lot times a difference between a role player that can do a little stuff and a star and he has like more creativity that's another level of difference as well yeah yeah the handle is a big

thing for wings especially that's usually difference between a young like the difference to like a Jonathan Kaminga and they like I won't say this version Jalen Johnson, this guy's way better, but like a year and a half ago Jalen Johnson is mostly handled, is being able to actually handle the ball and create opportunities and use your finishing ability. That is everything for a forward of this size and this build. Do you ever talk about my Shaila like that?

Like that him right there, man. I'm talking about some, yo, we can't let this happen at him, Silver. Come on now. I'm just saying like, it's, listen, we've seen a lot of crazy performances over the years, right? Just last week, Peyton Pritchard put up $42, I was like, the fuck out of my faith what are you talking about paid for you listen that was crazy too i'm just saying we finally reached a breaking point everybody has to draw the line somewhere this is where i'm going all right everybody shut up we need to talk about the fact that the rizzler

was on new york media talking with clyde frasier i didn't think the sentence was like possible at all why what are they talking about possibly what can they possibly happen about i don't know probably solving world hunger doing something about all the atrocities in the world something you wouldn't understand and this is all some different shit This is why Clyde is the goat, man. He's so, he's so versatile. On one day he can go from Roasting Window Carter. The other day, he can go and interview the Rizzler.

He has so many catchphrases. He's so, again, he's so versatile. He's been here for a long, long time. He is the absolute best, and he is a national treasure. And we should appreciate Clyde Frasier while he's here. Clyde said, do you like being a celebrity, Rizzler? Yeah. Thirling conversation.

Thanks for joining us. Yeah. Everybody's also like the funniest part about this is you know that Clyde Friger has no idea who this child is that he's talking to and he just like has to read whatever it's on the on the card to pull off this energy. I prefer to imagine he's very tapped in. I prefer to imagine that he knows exactly who this is and he feels honored by the situation he's in.

You think Clyde is late night. That would be the most shocking thing of all time. Clyde doom strolling on TikTok just finding out that the Rizzler exists. The Rizzler Hope Corps making them feel better about the world. Oh my God. The Ristler, I got gloves in my pocket.

Clyde starts smiling. Right in the day. I think, Clyde be saying 6, 7. That would be insane. Dude, there's a fucking announcers of sports saying 6, 7 epidemic right now. Every weekend I'm watching a football game where the announcer's like,

it's almost like 6, 7. Ha ha. Did I do that right? It's the worst. Every announcer feels the need to get it in and be like, or something like that. Yeah. And even for every, like, every game at home, these announcers and, like, guys who just provide entertainment in between intermission, they just be doing six, seven, they pointed out to crowd, people on the crowds and all that.

So it's, it's gone to a point. It's gone to the point. Let's talk about the king. Everyone in the chat keeps telling us to talk about it. We have two different parallels to talk about right now with one, LeBron James. First off, this happens since the last time we spoke. The 10 game scoring streak is over at 1,297 games. He went to Toronto and got put in.

in the Scotty Barnes Torture Chamber, going four for 17 from the field. Got absolutely locked up. This happened as a recording last episode. Any thoughts about the end of the streak? Mo, lead away. Tell us your unfiltered thoughts about your king. Scoring eight points in the game,

something you have never once seen as a fan. I've never seen it. I have never seen him look this bad since 2003, since he first came into the fucking league. When I saw this performance, of course, had to watch it after it because we were performing a podcast or whatever. I looked at the statue. He threw up.

I'm like, whoa, what the fuck? How did that happen? Now, you can look at this in either one of two ways. One way, okay, he streak is over, but guess what? He's in Toronto. We're talking about like an American, the United States. The streak is really fucking alive. So if we're counting what we actually love, which is America at this point of time,

where he actually fucking plays, bro. The streak is still alive. That doesn't fucking matter. That's right. That's right. Mo's going on record. And he is saying, Canada is not a real place. Fuck Canada.

Both thinks it doesn't exist, it's not real, doesn't matter. Ain't nothing matter in Canada, bro. What are we talking about right now? And especially not Scotty Barnes. You hear that Raptors fans? I know what you feel about Scottie Barnes. He is saying to your face, fuck Scottward Barnes. In the top 30 rankings, I promise you, he is going to have Scotty Barnes the lowest out of any of the young star players.

And he wants you to know that he is standing on 10 toes. He hates Scotty Barnes with all his heart. No, it's not about Scotty Barnes at all. I actually like Scottiemore. No, you don't. I think he's a great player. No, you don't. First team all NBA defense.

But with that being said, we had Washington for about 48 hours, a new cycle. Everyone's saying it's over. It's cooked. It's over. He missed the name after this with a left foot arthritis. Another incredibly old sentence to be saying. Arthritis, man. But then the cloud separated.

The sun came down, felt it on my skin in a nice day. In an ice cold winter, I felt the ray of hope. soar through me because last night he had 29 points and it went over the 76ers holy bounceback game he is here back again ducking the washed allegations how did you guys feel about this

bounce back game I will see what it looks like the next game he gave his all he gave he gave the sixes everything that he had left in the tank and I wouldn't be shocked if he scores 12 points in the next game okay it looks not like it was hard it looks not like he

was out here struggling he made a lot of threes If anything, it was fake jump shooting, we could go that route. He was not here being a try-hard trying to bounce back. It came in the flow. 12 points. Take it or leave it. Nah, relax, relax, relax. Honestly, you're right.

I'm taking this by game-by-game basis. Do you think he scores 20? Who they play next? I don't know, it depends on who they play next. Hell no. When he might be back in that game, it's still a TBD. It's the first, it's a cup quarterfinals. He's giving him 20.

I think he's giving him bare minimum 20. I think in a realistic note, it's going to be up and down with LeBron. Exactly. everything we said in the first five games before the streak ended and everything became insanely hyperbolic he missed seven months of basketball the last four seasons he's always started slow since he's in his old man era it takes a while for him to get the engine revving the first step isn't what it once was neither is the first step coming into a season he needs time this would be his training camp time to get going and he lost that so we've been saying we'll react

after like 10 to 15 games kind of stands the reason he starts to speed it up now also stands the reason it'll just be inconsistent all year that we'll get games like this where he pops and Luca came back from Slovenia jet lagged after a 12-hour flight shot like shit Austin Reeves shot like shit after a back-to-back where he had to carry he came in, saved the day in the fourth quarter

I think three straight clutch threes in that fourth and really like allowed himself to be this like super third option that's that stood up when necessary that's probably what's going to look like arthritis I never heard any NBA player ever I was going to say I thought it was fake

that ended Todd Gurley arthritis took out Todd Gurley I feel like that was fake just a way to say rest. And then there was a picture of Jason Tatum saw him after that game. And LeBron only had one shoe on. Like his left foot had a slide.

Like he's like letting a breathe. I was like, oh, damn. It might be arthritis. Damn. He got his toes looking like this. And y'all want him to score 30 every night. It's not happening. Well, no, nobody wants to score 30 every night.

We want to score 10 every night. Yeah. You say 10. I'm thinking, can he give me like 21, 22 every night? I think that's the overall hoping at the end of the season. That's where we may end up nating out too. Yeah, and obviously that's the big thing is he's 249. That was the biggest headline he drew in terms of national media. Everybody's talking about LeBron again.

The biggest thing that I saw is a fan told him, you ain't got no hair, though. He said, you know what I do got, though? And I got plenty of it. What is he talking about? That's what to you. I mean, you right, you, especially out of the three of us, are the biggest LeBron Glazer. I think you might have more insight to LeBron Psyche than me or than Isaac. Tell me what do you think that your king was talking about?

And what did Go-Mater 12 in the chat? Go-Mater. I can't even read that. Oh, no, I read that wrong, too. Go-Marner. He said, LaMette. Different conversations. Different conversations.

Virtually choking on Le Mete. Different conversations. That is preposterous. What are we talking about right now? We have to get back on. I just hate how the cameras turn on. You have brand new. I, even cameras on, off.

It comes to a certain point where I'm like, the things he has said off camera, about LeBron James would make your fucking chest hurt. And he gets on his camera and he pretend he does not about LeMitt. Brother, I don't know what you're talking about. I don't know anything about LeMitt at all. The funniest part is in this clip when they call him bald before he

flexes on him, he goes, that happens. He takes it in stride. Look at his reaction. He said, no, hello. He said, it happens. It happens. He's a jolly good sport. He's been hearing bald comments since he was 25. Yeah. He's a seasoned

veteran in the ball game in the your hairline is bad in the you have no hair game. You have to be creative with any type of heckle that you use against LeBron. You have to give him something that he hasn't seen before. But again, he's been in the league for years. He's seen it all, right? There's not a heckle that really gets by LeBron. It's tough.

It's hard. You have to be really creative. Only the best of the best can get to LeBron. So I would suggest go to open mic nights, go to comedy, work on your heckling, and let's get it up. A Bleacher report posted a screenshot of his dunk that he had last night, a tomahawk, to say, old man still got it. It is the most depressing picture I've ever seen. His head is nowhere near the rim. I'm not going to see in this picture.

Made me bow down to my knees and appreciate life more, bro. This shit really does come to an end. You understood the mortality, your own mortality. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. And this is why LeBron is so valuable to life. Society to the economy, brus. A little rosemary oil. No, I'm sorry.

That shit is. He's beyond, he's beyond that. He's way past that. Been past that. Yeah, this is crazy, man. He's really, his head used to be like squarely in the middle of the box. It's crazy. This is tough.

This is tough. I think this is like as, again, the video of Lightning McQueen getting passed up, this is the NBA version. But guess what though? Show me a 40-year-old still doing this. You can't. You cannot. That is the other half of it. It is crazy.

It's sad, but it's also like, it's also like, damn, like, this motherfucker really just continues to soar up. There's limits of this. Vince Carter had a dunk in his last year. His motherfucker was rim grazing. It barely got in there. It was a third of the vert of this LeBron dunk. So, LeBron, though, he's barely getting up there. It's way up.

I mean, that's still a pretty good dunk. It's not bad. It's like average for your... He's six, nine. I mean, that's probably like PJ Washington dunks or something. Like, it's a little cool, regularly athlete. Yeah. He is sick.

Does OG get up higher than this? No, not really. It's probably like, it's very standard. That's probably what an OG dunk looks like. It's very normal. O. O.D. put his nuts on the rim right now.

He's jumping that high. Y'all going ban for ban right now. You jumping on it, man. I ain't like, I'm not going to. Right now. OG and nuts. I never heard anyone glaze OG like that. But okay.

So we'll see. We'll be moderning the LeBron watching this over in this coming weeks. We've gotten the low point. The streak's over. We got a balance back. They looked about what you expect. Mostly jumpshot oriented.

Mostly transition oriented. Picks is spots decides to rise as a score when he's needed because the other guys are really soiling their pants in the fourth quarter against Tyrese Maxi who was gaming him. All that kind of stands to reason. That's probably what the splash nights are going to look like. Yeah, man. Yeah, it was always going to be like this.

I think, again, arthritis is crazy. Arthritis and sciatica, the double combo from both of them is like, you... That is hilarious. Right? Like, it's wild. It really is wild. Other people would be, regular 40-year-olds would be in PT for nine months if they had sciatica and arthritis. That's the thing.

He was. It's like seven months off. Like that is getting overlooked in the watchness of it. Like it's so easy to be like he's 41. It's that time. Like, no, he's recovering from an injury that you can't do anything while you're hurt. Like it's not like a wrist or an ankle where you can, if you were spraying your ankle, I can still bench press. If I break my wrist, I can still get some cardio in.

I can still maintain shape. You can't do shit. if you have see attica yes how but the problem is like those people like you said they you can't do anything on it he's playing NBA basketball yeah and so there is if you are not healed by now you're just not going to be healed for the entire year i don't know if that's true though that's the thing i don't know like how can we how do you know that like it could be right it could be a lingering thing but like maybe he's healed now and he's get back in shape like no i think he's gonna be the 41 like yeah yeah you heal slower you're right like if he was like 19 and turned his ankle and like

you like you know tightened up and you like fine like you'll be you'll be okay you took as much time off as you've ever taken off and for somebody like lebron who is who is always like you know doing the most to take care of of his body playing NBA basketball isn't easy and we constantly talk about how this is one of the hardest errors to play basketball in terms of all the space all of all of the running that you have to do it's hard it's hard to do this for somebody at his age that has those those issues and people who have had back uh back issues always say backs never get better like that like they just get more manageable it's very hard to like really really like recreate your your back strength like that so he probably is going to be cooked for

the rest of the year cooked is that that's the thing that what does cook mean like i think it'll probably be load managed and it'll probably be this is like a lingering thing they have to figure out, right? But when you say it cooked, like cooked to LeBron standards means like, yeah, there's going to be a couple of nights where he has like 12 points. Yeah, do you think he's an average 15 points per game? Is that what Cook means? Potentially.

I still feel like Yeah, I think he has more than that. It's on the board. Yeah, it's certainly on the board at this point. We've seen a week of it now. It's certainly on the board. I still feel like I have enough I can convince myself that with time off he needs like that 15, 20 games to get his conditioning back is the main thing.

And he'll never be a dominant score this year because of the lingering back issues, because he's old and probably never will be again. But I can imagine that he gets closer to what we saw last year, which is still, I mean, he was kind of washed last year, but the stretches in the mid to late parts of the season where he was still giving 27 points for a month-long stretches. I don't think he'll do that. He won't need to with these two guys that are both 28 points per game and above.

So it won't be that gaudy. Maybe it's like a 21-point per game season, which is pretty washed for his standards. But I feel like we can get closer to last night than the first few games before that. Yeah. It might be back and forth all season It's a real answer And like I do agree Because in the case

That just nets out to 21 a game And you'll take that 80 day Or 19 I don't know I really don't know what the numbers It look like But I'm more so talking like How good he is what we know Aside of the numbers

Because you know he will defer a lot I think last night Especially with it being a scoring night Carried by jump shooting Is the blueprint that I think It's not a coincidence We got that as more time goes on Yeah

I'm gonna say I'm gonna say right now I'll go sub-20 is what I think he's going to have. So you're a top 30 player in the world? I think what... Find out in a couple weeks. Yeah.

Yeah, exactly. I think when I gauge his top 30, I'm not, of course, like getting buckets is what matters at the end of the day. But as long as he's able to show up and answer when he's very much needed and he's the last option resort

to leading a team to getting fucking buckets towards the end of the game like we saw in Philly the other night. If he's doing that every single time, while also when needed, while also being the Hall of Fame connector that he is, averaging seven, eight assists or whatever,

getting rebounds. Yeah. Okay, drop that 19 down to 14. You just use connector and LeBron in the same, to like to figure, which is what he is at this point. However, that's what you know.

Yeah. No, there was a stretch. There was a stretch when Luke was on the bench that began the fourth quarter, they had LeBron setting screens for AR, catching the ball in the short roll. One time he drove,

threw a lot of to Aten. Next time he drove, hit the layup because Embed was scared of the lob. I was like, yo, this is the connector I want to see. This is the hyperdram on. We got that for like four straight possessions. That, to me, is an average over 20. Wait, wait, real quick question.

Do you actively call him AR all the time? I feel like this is the first time I've ever heard you say like AR instead of Reeves. Probably not. I don't think of it. I don't know. I don't know why. That was really interesting. I was like, you really are one of them.

Like that's crazy. I don't know. I don't know what I mean. One of them. I don't know. Just like here, hearing AR was weird. It would sound like too cool for him or what? I don't know.

It's something about it. You know what else? Steve took on my mind too, since you're getting a little bit random. What are you guys doing after the show? Why are you guys matching? Someone said we look like your henchman. I'm cooked if y'all are, man. Y'all ain't doing shit right.

What the hell? Also, someone in the chat said, doesn't Mo have a degree in sports medicine or some shit? Sports medicine is the most random shit ever, bro. If I had a job in an NBA, bro, and I was giving people, giving folks, regimens, routines and all that, whole team will be dead, bro. I'd be like, yo, buddy, get on them dips and you'd be straight. He said, dude, he asked him, LeBron.

Do you drink water today? Exactly. You drink water. You want some ginger tea, bro? That's all I got for you. Someone said Donvin looks like a drill rapper. And earlier in the episode, someone said, Donvin's got a Central C ass fit. Central C.

Shout out to C, bro. and he said Moe's wearing slippers what the fuck well that's what you do don't know about burks yeah you just disrespect the burkin socks occasionally in the comments about that where all wear like clogs on the show where like Doc Martin or something and people were like yo what is on your feet

I got to remember there are 13 year olds in the audience there are 13 year olds I'm like you literally just don't know they're too busy wearing lamellos that's why they don't know I'm an adult they don't know we're 10 year old I do some normal ass shoes

you guys are just 10 Burrito kids, man. Shout out to Christian for tipping $3. He said, I was read his comment. You don't think of the brawn kid. Honestly, probably.

Of course he is. He's fucking 40. Y'all can rewind and look at the comment that was on the top right of the screen when the donation popped up to see what he just said. 100%.

Of course he is. As he should, he's 40. Yeah. Oh my God. But he has a conversation that once again. How old should you be to get it? Definitely if you're 40, I think.

I thought that work in midday was like, 25 or something like that. Well, it's never too early, I guess. You know, Donovan had an appointment

recently. All right. Were you watching the VOD? The Oklahoma City of Thunder are 22 and 1 and I've won 14 games in a row with the win tonight over Utah,

in which Shade did not play, by the way, and Isaiah Hartonson did not play, and Lou Dort did not play, and I was, Russo did not play, and I think Isaiah Joe didn't play, they can tie their longest win streak 15 in the franchise's

OKC era, they did, and become just a third team in NBA history to start a season 23 and 1 or better. They did that. They beat the living piss out of the jazz without Shea. I think Chet had, I think, 29 points, I remember correctly? In like 23 minutes was a demon rolling downhill playing through him and J-dub.

This team, man. This game with Chet, man, is everything that I've been fucking wanting to see over the last, really, year or And what is that? Aggression. I like seeing the ball in his fucking hands, bro. That's, of course, like, understand he plays with Shea.

He's playing, like, one of the, I don't know, currently 15 greatest players I've ever seen in my life with my own two eyes, bro. And he has to defer. But this level of him being prioritized, getting to run the offense, go down, he'll just make quick decisions is number two pick worthy guy who looks like, oh, yeah, he's like the face of this franchise. he's like top five in points for possession on pick and roll dives this year and it shows chet has been so good as a score it's so annoying how bad she is setting him up to score like if she was a better interior passer the conversation around chet would be so much different but chay is only capable of creating shots for jump shooters terrible at feeding bigs and this game showed it granted us different tangent now a lot of people on twitter were using this as a way to say this is all's MVP

he's in the best situation ever they don't they don't even need she to win games you know luca fan fans, yokeish fans, et cetera. And I want to remind people that Utah Jazz were playing without Lurray Marketing. That is the worst team I've ever fucking seen. So take all this glaze with a grain of salt. They were playing a disgusting team. But we did see that version of Chet.

They were playing through him, focusing on hitting him on roles. Just unstoppable. Like, if he was a different situation, we keep reiterating this, Chet's numbers would be so much more impressive as a score. And these flashes show it. Like, he's incredible. I told you guys before that my standard

and my benchmark is going to be 24-on-1. Newsflash. I think they're going to win another game. I think they're going to get to 24-1. We are obviously, we've been on it for a little bit. We've been on, on, you know, 73 watch, really 74-watch. I'm on 75 watch.

I think that they can get to 75 wins. And this team, when you go up and down the roster and you consider the fact that they did all of this without J-D for a big stretch of the year, they just have guys rolling in just giving everybody buckets and they have like their depth at this point it's obviously being tested and it's passing every test flawlessly like even even on a on a random on a random like Saturday or Sunday night when they are when they are playing and they're playing the Utah Jazz we know they suck I understand that however NBA NBA teams still have NBA players and you see all the time random losses happen just because people go crazy for you to go out and

still get that win is awesome and it's insane and they are going to I think they are going to win 75 games I think it's going to happen 75 is so tough they have to have like amazing injury luck and so far of course it's been not good at all and they've already got to this point so maybe they're just defying fucking odds of this dude they've been the most injured team in the NBA in terms of points for game lost injury and it doesn't matter they're still one what does that even mean points for game lost to injury I never heard that before you never heard that no what the fuck does it means important players the average points they're gone okay that's a normal that's just like a hilarious we've been telling all the the degrees fake points you've never

said that ever before in your life points per game i have seen them before either way minutes per game whatever you want the university is not they're missing important players in last year education connection got that's a normal minutes per game loss injury too they're among the top of the league and they're still 23 and one like this team i would also say you're right to get to 73, 74, clearly relies on their best players staying healthy. Traditionally, yeah. I don't know about truth for this team.

They're not healthy and they're still winning all these games. Like, they might just be a lock if they want it. That's so crazy. You know if they don't want it. You know, they're resh. Like, they still might be a lock. That's so crazy, man. They're going to get it.

They're going to do it. It feels like as long as this is the part of the health action matters. Again, it feels like as long as they're healthy, how do they not go back to back? Yeah. How do they not go back to back? Ugh. That's a tough conversation. You need, you need, you need, yo.

to have one of like the greatest series in NBA history and make every single late game shot like that two main connection between him and Murray has to be on 10 everybody has to be perfect we're going to have to look back at that series and be like oh my goodness yokech average 38 13 and 12 against against the thunder it's going to have to be one of those types of performances but yeah outside of that like if the nuggets don't get them nobody nobody nobody is getting nobody in the east has been them there's no chance so it's really if the nuggets do it

if the Rockets can make something happen with that size and have some crazy mismatch that's the only two teams I feel like have a chance like we say it every week this is NBA history you're watching one of the best players of all time on one of the best teams of all time in their peak everybody hates it right now I hope after one more

ring people will just shift over to oh my god we're watching history but it's truly insane the shit they're doing you know that's not going to happen man you know the NBA cycle you know how quick we turn to get to Hayden on the newest stars. But you know, they started off Hayden on him. So I think they might flip eventually, where eventually it'll be like, because he's

not actually getting like that many fritos anymore comparatively for his percentage. He's like 18th in the league in free throw rate. So maybe we've had one playoff run where he wins in an ethical fashion and like it ends in a more or a full way instead of a star getting injured in a game seven. We get like a very exciting series where they win again. And like it's stamped real. I can see it flipping the people just being like, got to give it to him. And a back-to-back title really doesn't.

Oh, it's immense. it right that that does a way with any type of like fluky talk or you guys just you guys just won because tyrese got hurt you go back to back and you really recreate everything that we just saw a decade ago with the with the warriors and you have your high 60 win season title run it back you have your runaway MVP back to back MVP as well like like if they if they complete with the warriors didn't complete and they do set the record and get and you know get a title on that, that's crazy. Oh, man, that's nasty.

That's insane. That's history. Fergus McKay tip $10, he said, 75 games. Donovan be salivating to Shea. That is very underrated. As much as like Isaac's glaze is so like widely broadcast and you go to

impressive links, but you are like an underlying like true glazier to the core when it comes as OKCC says. You do be salivating is what he's saying. Maybe not. salivating, but like... No, he's saying your mouth is wet.

I'm not saying it's wet, but I do... That sense it's crazy. You just set it up like this. He said, but I'm not saying it's dry. That's for sure. I'm just noticing you're on watch. He's saying maybe you glaze less, but you glaze more sloppy.

All right. I don't know, man. All right. Also, on top of this, you spell my name wrong. Bozo. How do you spell? Oh, so one. one in. Yeah, I don't like that. Isaac is a glazer,

Don is a salivator, and Moe is a Mouth Meister. Mouth Meister. Okay. Mastro. But yes, 75 games is on the table. It can happen.

At what point I think I stop call me an OKC Glazer when everything I say just happens? Like at a certain point, everyone's an OKC Glazer. Like, I guess I'm no longer hyping a young team. Like, this is just reacting to the best team of our era.

I think they call you a glazer because... you're not wrong but you're just trying to like really hit home and let everyone know hey this is history that we're watching a lot of people don't just appreciate the times that we're in so I can

see that if they get to man if they get to 71 and 11 they're going to call you a fraud they get they even set the record it's not even history you can say all of this they're not that good

they only want 70 They didn't even sweep anybody in the finals run. They went back to back, but no sweeps. Oh my gosh. They didn't even beat a one seed. But I'm very excited for when things are all sudden done, maybe, I don't know, five years from now, however long their run is, how we're going to talk about this team versus prime going to say words and who were winning a match up. I'm glad you brought that up because I think if you're on Twitter and you follow a lot of like, I don't know if this is like a more like a nerdy Twitter thing that I'm seeing more than a lot of like people that might not have this on their timeline. There's a lot of Lucaslander on NBA Twitter right now.

The discourse bubble is doing a lot of re-evaluation, I think, of Luca's strengths and weaknesses. If you can win with him, is he hard in? This is probably coming off of the heels of him being fat last year and all that discourse about him, not being what he once was. Did Nico Harrison make a smart decision selling off him when he did? That's kind of been in the air a lot, right? Saw this tweet. So not going to lie, the Luca career really evaluation and overreaction is all due to SGA's rise. It's sad, but you never really see.

superstars get Laptis badly. SGA is so much better than Luca that people are asking why Luka hasn't done more. The truth is that nothing has changed with Luca. Okay, he said Laptis badly. That's where he lost me. Luca just went to the finals the year prior. Luca just beat O KC the year prior in like six games, I believe. Yeah, but I mean, see, I feel like that.

Laptist crazy. That's overstated because I've been like, shout out PJ Washington Corner 3s. Like it's not like Luca lit it up and like out played SGA like people say. His team did win the game, but shout out PJ Washington Corner 3s. Shout out Josh Giddy, not shooting corner threes. but yeah that is a good point that's the argument everybody in the comments

is talking about is the gap how big you think that gap is and I guess I brought this up to say this maybe he's being dramatic right

and maybe obviously Luca is still a tier one player I think it's pretty easy to say you'd rather have SGA or certain reasons linked to play style and it is also interesting

that I think he's right that Luca is getting slander because of SGA if SGA wasn't doing this and didn't become one of the best players in the world winning in championship as a guard

I don't think we see nearly as much Luca slander I think we'd probably give Luca way more of a pass for last year Okay, probably, I think like, with Luca, honestly, I do think it's, I think the biggest thing is not even like the chip.

I think the biggest thing is the lack of MVP. Yeah, that doesn't help either. I think I think that's the biggest one because obviously you get into playoff scenarios and playoff situations. And you can have series like a PJ Washington going crazy. You can have these really weird things that happen for seven games that kind of puts your team over the edge. the regular season is okay you're you're that guy let's go out and see you do it and so for somebody who's been first team all NBA since his second season and who is racking up all of these other accolades why don't you have the MVP when you are when you are putting up these of these numbers

and you have never done it from for an entire year very sure and so I think from that perspective I can see where you where you look at at Luca and say like yeah he's getting lapped 100% because SGA actually has done it and we've been waiting for you to do it and you still haven't done it. Exactly. You're describing the exact, I think you're taking the other view of it

from me by minimizing it where I think that's like a very real psychological thing is that I think the people that see Lapt and they take exception to it like a Luca fan will say like, dude, what are you talking about? There's still peers. I think Luke is even better actually because of X, Y, Z. I think that's probably tied to people

having the early perception that when they came into the league in the first however many years of their career, Luca was better. Lucas is in a different tier. This is not a conversation. He's one of the best players of all time at 21. Shea is an interesting player getting compared to Deerrin Fox,

getting compared to Darius Garland. So now that Shea has kind of catapulted that conversation and been moved up to his peer to even better and more accomplished, a lot of people are going to continue to feel like that's just us overrating SGA. Yeah, the distance traveled is bigger for SGA than it was for Luce. And that creates a psychological divide that some people are probably holding on too hard to Luka being better. And then some people maybe are doing what this tweet is talking about and considering Shea to shit on Luca's whole reputation

and make Luca irrelevant, make him hard in V2, et cetera. Yeah, I agree. And what's interesting about this storyline, and I'm very much interested in seeing how these suits just continue to, I don't know what Luca's going to do for the rest of his career, but just seeing SGA's continued ascension, it's so interesting considering how, going back to what you said,

like we've been wanting to crown Luca Dodgers's MVP. At least, I feel like over the last three years, one of us has consistently said, Luca's going to win MVP this year. the immediate everyone on media always wanted to happen for it to not happen and lucca just going from i don't know darius garlands the mellow ball tray young conversations when we first started this show back in what 22 or so none of us would have taken tray as a player or would have taken sGA over tray at all we wouldn't have foreseen that coming especially coming off

the run that tray that tray had and to see sGA just constantly break barriers that no one thought was possible and meanwhile luke is over here just making first team all NBA's consistently since his second year in the league. I understand what he means. The gap, you're right. The gap is bigger. Yeah, and this follow tweet is another good point

in this thought process. Again, whether or not it's true or not, but this is a good viewpoint of that. Luca is who's always been, which is the top 30 all-time guy, agreed. SGA is the top-five type of guy,

which is probably doing a little too much glaze. But the general point is that Luca didn't get worse. Lucas still is one of the 30 best players of all time. If he never wins a ring, he's Charles Barkley with better production. He might be in that combo

is one of the best players never win a ring, right? In terms of individual talents, Shay is putting together a resume that if he continues on this level continues at this rate with the team success he might be aiming higher like he's on he's on a very similar

career trajectory of Steph Curry whether or not you think he's as good as him individually not here to argue that but in terms of slow start into dominant team into MVP seasons and finals MVP etc that's the path he's on that's why people are viewing him as like a different tier of shape I mean a different tier of Luca potentially it's also hard for for Luca

because because he is the the like James Harden successor of a play type you inherently have this play type that historically we haven't seen win and because of James Hardin's shortcomings and like his specific his specific failings now people kind of put that on on Luca when it's like actually James Hardin is just one of the biggest playoff droppers that we've ever seen and that's not necessarily Luca or in like his play style so you have this you have this bias against the way that the Luca plays you also have this Brian Winhorse moment of you're losing the finals that you probably were going to lose anyways

but you have this moment of Brian Winhorse being like you suck at defense you're the reason why your team is losing and so when you get beat in five games everything comes crashing down on on Luca because he's the one who's out of shape he's the one who can't play defense he's the one that's letting his team down as opposed to Kyrie also not being ready for the moment the rest of the team just also being

overmatched by the Celtics so until until Luca gets an MVP or a title, I do think that his chain are like people are going to look at him and it's not going to be like one, but it's going to be like multiple of his chains being snatched. You made a point just now that I think ties back to my actual opinions on this conversation.

You said that people tie him to Hardin for play style reasons, which I think is fair, but Hardin gets that negative stink because the playoff dropping. And someone in the chat said, Luca is Hardin without the playoff dropping. And I think that's pretty much true. I think he is a better version of Hardin potentially

because he is good in the playoffs and ways that Hardin never was because he has the in-between game as the score that Hardin never had, but he does have a lot of the same drawbacks. The defense actually has been pretty decent this year, but is always going to cap out at decent. The scoring aggression and the sometimes, like, tunnel vision that can hurt him as his

play style is always going to be a thing. The lack of transition, being a higher turnover prone player than Shea, etc. He's always going to have similar downsides the Hardin, but obviously the strengths way outweigh that. Whereas I think SGA is more similar to the greatest guards of all time, like a co-be in play style. that I think I'd probably prefer SGA

because I think his warts are a little bit less. They stand out less. Yeah, like he doesn't have quite as many downsides. Or maybe you feel like in terms of checking different skills that Luca can do more things at a higher level, pretty much the passing. I think that SGA's lack of downside probably makes him a little bit better of a player,

probably a little more conducive of team success for years to come that I think I do nod Shea as like lapping him in terms of who I think is better, but it's not some historic golf or anything. Yeah, it also is, And because somebody has said it earlier, it's like, if you put Luca on the Thunder right now, where do you think that he is? And like, I don't know if it would go as smoothly. Like, I don't know if they're on pace to win 73 games or whatever it is.

But they would also be title contenders. Yeah, they won championships. Yeah, like that team would still be one of, consider like one of the better teams of whatever, like, weird error that we're in in the NBA. and you saw for half a year when you gave Luca actual defenders and you gave him another guard they got to the finals and they were able to go on this run so he he does have to have to capitalize on on everything and he better hope that that the Lakers who now are now breded right yeah are you know Austin Reeves you get to stay here I have like you have your your running mate and you can build this team around those two and actually get a title contender

Someone said, SGA is more MJ than Kobe. Come on, y'all are being too calm with this. Yeah, Loki. Oh, my gosh. I mean, yeah, Loki, you're kind of right. And I think some people in the chat said the Thunder with 3P with Luca. What does that mean, though?

Like, to be more MJ than Kobe. I guess we're just raising the bar and sealing an expectation for him and just how good he is. Efficiency is one thing. Relative air, he's a more efficient score. I think a lot people, that's what people mean when they say that I think. And team success is the best player, like, potentially going to do a three-pe without a shack is like what people mean.

And general style of play, he's a little bit more. This is probably relative to the era, though. This is probably because of his way because Kobe played the 2000s, but I think they mean he's a little more of a slasher and a little more of a, just better version of that, you know, isn't so tough jumper reliant, I guess. But a lot of that combo was just relative to era,

I think that Kobe had to play the way because of 2000s. Yeah. Because obviously, like, you know how I feel about Kobe. But like, even that in the second half of it, they went to three straight finals. Yeah. Right? And they went back to back.

And they did all of those things. So I think even whenever you say, like, he's more MJ than Kobe, obviously, Kobe, like, if you, if you say that, then you genuinely are saying that Shea's going to be top five all time. And, like, if you feel that way, then, okay, fine, you feel that way. I just don't know. I don't think that that's true right now. I think he, I think he's very much on the way to being that. To top five. Well, he's not going to record of accolades.

He's, like, Magic won a fucking finals MVP when he was a rookie. Or actually not, he won a finals. I don't remember if he's MVP. but they got to start winning right away he's 27 about to win his second title like he's probably too old to rack up as many to be top five but top five peak especially like I'm on Garz is it possible that he works his way

into being a better peak than Kobe when people talk about 10 years from now probably possible probably I don't know if I don't know if we'll do it but it's in the conversation yeah and we'll see at the end of this year because I do think a back to back now where like if he has one of those things where he again like if he completes the what Steph couldn't

in 15 and 16, and you have the back-to-back MVPs, you have the record setting season, you have back-to-back titles, that would have put Steph in, especially at that time, it would have legitimized any conversation of Steph being better than Bron. And you could have legitimately said,

okay, Steph is better because I've beaten you two years in a row in the finals. I've done all these things. And so obviously, we all think that is going to happen. And so we just kind of have to, like sit here and wait but if it does happen then i'm okay with doing that i think even right now it's still like a little like all right let's just let's wait and like let's see them do it because i was so sure that golden state was going to do it they're up three one in the finals and then for

them to blow it that's that's different yeah yeah and here's the thing we also the way to see how this regular season ends if the season ended today she's having a season on par with 2016 curry he is also averaging over 30 on 70% true shooting for a guard which is astronomically ridiculous while averaging one of the least turnover percentage of any high usage guard like he's having one of those all-time great seasons that will be in the pantheon of best single seasons for a guard in NBA history

so that'll be another nod too right that he got an MVP came back and had an even better MVP while presumably if he went to title again it'll probably be a more impressive title because last time they got pushed to seven into finals that's like you know just in terms of final outcome the least impressive title you could have

when it took the most amount of games possible I imagine it won't be quite as much of a hellscape in the finals this year if they make it back So there's a lot of ways we can imagine that six, seven months from now, the conversations are like, oh, yeah, this is one of the best of all time. Yeah, we'll see. Yeah, we definitely have to see. As for Luca, listen, man, you got to lock in. You really do have to lock in and beat the Death Star in order to get your, it's like, it's hard.

I hate you. Yeah. I knew what he used to said. I know. Me too. Yeah. I feel like Luke at this point in time has no more. It's so hard.

like the how bulletproof she's case is at least ascending all time and just constantly leaving hall of fame after hall of hammer goat after goat is tough because i feel like you only have a certain amount of blips and like stag like gashes left on your resume look already has that with what he did in the finals two two years ago being a cone the out of shape stuff and all that like that's terrible you know and for someone like shay he has yet to have anything on his resume to make you raise an eyebrow just yet if anything people years ago don't think people people were clamoring shea about and is that it's like fake conversations too is when okay see was shamelessly tanking when they were like fully relying on josh kidding and eran wiggins

at the beginning of their tank and they're like yo bro you got this she's gonna go at your question okay see's this type of ass bro and all that like he has he's done nothing to really sale the conversation and that's a big part of the hate for him I think is like he doesn't really have any it's no no real reason to hate outside of I don't like him he's a free throw merchant he's not fun like imagine think back to all the convos for all the best players in the world over our years as NBA fans people point to LeBron say you choked in the finals you can't shoot currie you can't play defense you don't have finals MVP's there's always something people latch onto and like probably blow

a proportion but they find a legitimate criticism now that jokic can't play defense Curry Luca everything we're talking about yeah there's not a single thing to point to for Shea outside of I just don't like them and at a certain point in time it happens to every single Go, you know, it's just the nature of fucking life. Something's going to happen, and I wonder what it's going to be and when it's going to happen. Or if it does happen, because that's kind of the point now is that like, maybe it just doesn't happen. That's impossible. Every player has their shit.

Sure, maybe he'll lose a finals eventually and he won't shoot amazing. But, like, in terms of like big picture blips that you actually point to is hurting a legacy, he might just be the, maybe he has a lower ceiling than the best players of all time do. Like, he's never going to be 0.1 shack in terms of sheer individual one season dominance. But maybe he has less downsides than every other legend. Maybe that's going to be his case for being top 15 all time is that he just never hurts you in ways that Luca does. It's probably going to happen. The most realistic path to getting that slander

is somebody gets hurt in the playoffs. Either J-Dub or Chek gets hurt in the playoffs and the Thunder lose whatever series that they're in. I could see that. And then people say... That'll certainly happen at some point. Right. And then you would go to Shea and say,

you're supposed to be X, Y, and Z. You can't win a second round series without so-and-so. that's going to, listen, I know these conversations great well, like that's, that's going to be the, the way in to get at Shea if you really, really hate him. Yeah. That's a low too. And, uh, yeah, it's a funny. The chat was always like,

there's always Luca fans that are going to be like, if he had that Thunder team, they'd four Pete. And then Thunder fans are going to be like, yeah, Luca couldn't even win a championship with his team. Neither one of those are true, I think, I think that they would still win championships because they still be amazing, but they probably wouldn't have the year-by-year consistency to be able to do better than they do with Luchet.

Yeah. And the general, like, we're saying all these things about different viewpoints. If Luca is Hardin and Shea is MJ, both of which in terms of play style, not abilities, take away playoffs and pretend you don't even know what happens in the playoffs. You don't know anything about championships, anything about accolades. Look at regular season MJ, regular season Hardin, you'd pick MJ for style of play reasons, right? Like a small difference, again, if you didn't have any rings or anything, there'd be a small difference in style of play that you'd prefer MJ. That's kind of the combo to me is that these small differences in how I wanted to play my stars is the only difference to me. me yeah and at the end of the day what that conversation the base sign of that conversation is just like who will give us less variance who will be more stable yes by nature sGA's game which is just more so black bike and white simple as hell get into the paint being the greatest mid raid shooter of all time having impossible to guard when it's fucking headed down because all the insane angles that he takes versus just tough step back three tough step back three relying on your teammates and hitting them on wide open corners is great and all that but it's just some

in which so much more variance with that style. Yeah, low variance is the exact way to finalize the convo. He just simply has the least variance of any of the peers. Yeah. Shout out to I of avocado for tipping $15. Appreciate you.

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Gonna ruin his life. Oh, I did see that. Yeah, they're banning it for people under a certain age, right? I don't remember what that age is.

Dan, you must be 12. If you really put in your real age, man, ah, man, we've lost real recipes of society. Yeah,

I saw that. Is that not going to be easy to bypass? Because I think, I don't know where the age was. I don't know if it was 16 or something for people

under that age in Australia. Is that not like easy to bypass? Oh, I wonder how to verify that. I don't know. I don't know. I haven't seen anything. Y'all spam your gauges in the chat.

I'm not tapped into the technology they're going to deploy to ban people under 16. Folks said a face scan. That's such a violation. That's crazy. Face scan. That makes sense. Probably pretty hard to dodge that. Damn, tough.

They're spamming their ages right now. Listen, man, draw a beard on yourself and keep it moving. Watch the lives. Tap in, do what you have to do. Last thing we're going to do today, we are going to play NBA City Geo Guesser. I don't know if you guys have seen this over the years. A lot of creators do it on TikTok and on YouTube and Twitch. Geogessor is a simple game.

We are going to see a screenshot of a city, and we have to guess what city it is, only NBA cities. This really isn't NBA knowledge. This is just U.S. geography knowledge. And to see what we can understand city-wise. A screenshot of the city is going to be tough. Yep. And the only thing we know is that these are going to be all teams that have,

all cities that have an NBA team. Okay. We are surely going to do absolutely terrible on this. Let's find out. First off, fuck. Okay, I, man. Okay, I see the parking. This might be, I'm leaning towards New York, the scaffolds.

Yeah, see, this looks like a building in, like the Bronx or something, and these scaffolds. No, it's not even, this is not the Bronx. The streets a little bit wider, it looks like Brooklyn. Okay, dude. Actually, I don't know, I think the shoots are too wide. I don't know if it was in New York. No, this is not New York at all. It might be Brooklyn.

This looks like Indiana or something. I don't know. You think this is Brooklyn? No, I'm looking at the street parking. I'm like, ah, that feels like Brooklyn. Ooh, the street parking, okay. See, that's the thing got a point. Do we have to look at the signs and stuff like that?

See if you recognize anything? Maybe, but it's definitely northeast. Let's cheat and look at the license plates. I don't know how this feels. Someone's saying Detroit in the chat. It's definitely an East Coast or Midwest thing. It's not Brooklyn, I don't think. It's no.

No, it's the sky. It's too much guy. Yeah, it's too wide open. Yeah, I see too much guy. I mean, Brooklyn is like just more. How do I guess now? How do I get out of the screen? More breathing.

Please, help me. What the fuck? How do I get out of the screen? Oh, yeah, that is, I think that's Brooklyn. I've seen that sign plenty of times before The no standing any time? Yep Okay, dude

How do you fucking press anything? Go ahead and guess Is there like exit? Well, we're gonna. Oh, I think it's zoomed. Let me zoom out. I think it's too soon. No, it's not too soon.

What the fuck? Where'd I press me thing? They said bottom right click on the map. Oh, okay, click the map. Gotcha. Oh, okay. See, it was cut off my screen a little bit so that's why.

Okay, so do you want to go Brooklyn? My guess is Brooklyn personally. Oh, I see. Yeah, it's Brooklyn. Trust them. Oh, yeah, that's a New York license. Yep. See a little trust Moe guess.

There we go, see? Told you, man. I've been around the block. 20 kilometers. There we go. We got to trust you. There we go. Next up.

Memphis. Oh, it is pomptory. So we're obviously in the West Coast. The trench. I mean, it's either L.A. or Miami. It's a cloudy day. A cloudy day is unfair. Could it be Orlando?

is there anywhere that has surprising palm trees that we don't know about that's not the audience people say new orleans i could i i can buy with that someone saying sacramento i can see new or i can see new i can't okay so like the porches is also like i because of those porches i do think it's a little southern so we can go new or my look at the same i don't got that much money man this is new orleans yeah it's bearing i don't know these houses look look at the architecture that looks kind of florida or california but i don't But only one house looks like that, though, right? I don't know enough about New Orleans, I think,

to really have a good opinion on this. But if you told me this is California, I believe you. I think this is New Orleans. I think, yeah, because I don't think it's California because I think that, like, they have much more regular trees. Yeah. Okay.

Than Cali does. Kelly doesn't have just palm trees. I do think, but I don't know. I do think it either is going to be New Orleans or Miami. I think it's New Orleans or Orlando, potentially. Orlando makes sense. I like trying New Orleans. The chat is also saying New Orleans.

Yeah. I'll go with the chat. Let's see if they're right. Someone said Charlotte. Nah, this is not Charlotte. No. Let's guess New Orleans. Fantastic.

There we go. Five kilometers. Okay. Here we go. Those streets are not paved. Exactly. Okay. Yeah.

That government is lacking. The next one. Okay. Now, this is Cali. Or who could be Texas? No. Clear skies. This is not Texas.

The houses aren't. Miami. I see water back here. Oh, no. Orlando. I see water there. It looks like it's fake. Is that a man-made lake behind a property?

This might be Orlando. Do you see that a lot in Houston? those little man-made lakes. Not really. Is that what it is? Yeah. Where Andre lives, she has hell

of man-made lakes in these little neighborhoods. But do you... Yes, I know that... But this isn't like a gate... This doesn't look like that type of community. You're right. And you also have palm trees here,

which might be fake. We got a biker. We got a biker. This could be... It might be that type of community. Okay. You want to go Orlando? Orlando makes sense.

It looks like a place that old people love to live. It looks calm and chill. Yeah. Oh, actually, I don't know what I want to guess, Orlando. I didn't mean click that. I almost click Texas.

guess look at that we're three for three there we go we eat right now chat is also cooking y'all you guys are i forgot you can't see right now on the main screen but chat is also cooking this come on okay let's do it keep it next up trucks trucks Texas that screams that screams texas these houses is this like dallas you think uh maybe san antonio maybe it could be san antonio clear skies if you see a lot of sky and no big buildings that's a good reason thing texas it also could be oklahoma City, which looks a lot like Dallas.

That's, again, no big buildings. Let's move up. Let's move up and down the block. This might be San Antonio. It does look very Texas. My guess is Texas. I think it's. Oh, there's no sidewalks, Texas.

Facts. Yeah, Texas. But I bet Oklahoma also has terrible infrastructure like that. I bet Oklahoma also doesn't care about the people walking anyway. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, what's that red car? What's that right car? This one here? Yes.

It's a pickup. Oh, it's old Jeep. Okay. Oh, no, no, I thought. Someone would say radiator springs? Yeah. Another telltale signs to see what type of cars are on the street too.

Keep on what's across the block. This is Texas. This is Texas. 100% do you want to go San Antonio? Let's go San Antonio. Okay. This is 100% Texas. New it.

The second I saw it, I'm going to call our shot. Let's go San Antonio. Please. Guess. Oh, we're wrong. Where? It was Colorado.

It's Denver. Denver. What? I would have never guessed in a million years. No, I saw the stop side. The street sounds also looked like Texas. That was my final guess. That's crazy.

I didn't know they moved like that. Denver. Denver. What the fuck out of here? I thought Denver would look a little cooler. I'm over here expecting to see like a mountain or sunset. Yeah. Like everywhere Denver has moved a mountain.

I thought I was going to see a cool sunset or something, bro. That was Yolkji's house? Okay. You got to get them out of there, but that's the case, man. Play without interruptions. Oh, hold on. Let me upgrade real quick, chat. Let me make sure we can keep playing.

Oh, my gosh. First of all, guys, donate so we can get the unlimited version. Pay for our subscription so we could play these games together. Okay. We're going to keep playing. And let me go back. I had to do a quick.

stop that's mad long they say I had to broke alert we're back oh no we're trying it next one I upgrade immediately it took 30 seconds we're here I dropped that 50 cents like it was nothing so that card is saved

what are we looking at here someone that chat is immediately spam in DC they're spamming DC I don't know a damn thing about DC this could be Georgia okay the trees this could be Georgia yeah I see the sidewalks I see super green grass

let's go up the street a little bit that's some good grass right there yeah quality grass This is good grass. What is that? Kentucky blue? Something like that. Kentucky blue grass.

I think this is. You want to call your shot? We called our shot with Texas. Someone said Charlotte. I could see Charlotte. I could see Charlotte. It could be Charlotte too. Charlotte's a good guess.

I don't know a lot about this region, but I know there's a lot of trees in Georgia and Charlotte. It's either Charlotte or Georgia. What are they blanking out here? This is a big. I'll make some construction. I don't know. Yeah, I'm less sure.

My guess is Georgia with those with those lights, street lights. My guess is Georgia. It's official. All right, Atlanta. Let's give it to Moe. Let's leave Moe can call his own shot at his hometown Like we tried with San Antonio got that wrong Let's see

Where's Georgia If it's not Georgia I think you're in Georgia Yeah I'm looking for Atlanta Where is it relative? Dead in the middle right there Oh I see I'm blind Okay I'm right there If you all don't know we're not old

The screen is very far away from the scene It's across the room And oh you're 300 miles off Where is it? It was it was Charlotte Oh it's Memphis Okay They nerfed us in

Come on That makes sense See, the problem is I'm going to profile Memphis and expect to see a shitty block I've been to Memphis like twice or three times I would not live there You find this nice suburban block It's probably pretty nice

That's not fair, bro That's not fair I've been to Memphis I've seen the pyramids They did it so dirty because they gave us A bad block of New Orleans All right, here we go What is this type of home

Like duplex? Okay Now this is like a low-income apartment It looks like This could be Georgia Yeah, this is that what it is? Or it could be Charlotte as well. I don't think Charlotte is. This could be Chicago, too.

Could I say low-income apartment? This could be Chicago. People are saying Arkansas. Y'all are saying everything in the chat. I don't even know. What do we go? See, I don't know style of homes like that. The homes, I don't think that they look like that out here.

A hundred percent. Maybe they do. I don't think, yeah, the homes on the left completely threw me off. It's Chicago should be eliminated. I don't think it's Okay so I don't think it's Chicago Because I do think even even whenever you have These like types of places

They're a little bit closer together I feel like we're seeing too much space in between the Well there's multiple buildings of this like I'm guessing this is like some kind of project There's just going down the block Folks are spamming Indiana Indiana okay I could see that too

If you were thinking Chicago No See there's a lot of buildings here There's a ton of them So this is a housing project of some sort I can see Chicago or Indiana. I might have to be Indiana.

Somebody saying Arkansas. Okay, let's try Indiana. Chat is screaming Indiana. Let's trust you guys and assume you guys know what you're talking about. We haven't really

we haven't trusted you yet. We've gone to everybody's gut besides chat. Oh, yeah. We've been on an O and two personal. This does be a little bit Midwest though. Ooh, it was. I'll never guess that.

Oh, Indianapolis. It's Minnesota. I would have never guessed that. Cooked. You never guessed that. I never said foot once over there. Don't trust us. Yeah.

We won't just chat again. Damn. Minnesota. Okay. We're in a 0 and 3 losing streak right now. Yeah, three in a row. We start off hot. Now we're even now, three and three.

Okay. This feels easier. Does it? What do we notice me first? A lot of greenery. A lot of greenery. So what's the trusting us is crazy? Oh, what are you thinking?

Street, that is the power lines. Matter of fact, let me, you guys keep looking at it. Let me put the chat on screen so we can see it in this angle. Yeah. Keep thinking. Oh, man. So something that helps me think through this all easily is seeing what type of cars are around, seeing how well the streets be built

and also seeing the greenery and shit. Honestly, this could be Georgia as well. This could be Georgia. Someone said Boston. I never been in Boston. I can't speak on Boston at all. I can see this. A lot of been there once.

Still can't speak on it. Maybe being like a northeastern suburb a little bit. Pinet. Look at these trees. Like these like, not pine trees. What does it call? These ones look like Christmas trees.

Is that pine trees? I've no idea what the trees called. But we got Christmas tree types. We have a lot of different types of trees. Type type. So this thing in, we go down the block. like Silver Lake in L.A.

Is that what they look like? No idea, bro. It's a bougie part in L.A. west of downtown. They have a lot of different foliage, a lot of nice houses. No, but these houses don't look expensive enough. There's a whole lot going on there.

No, no. These houses aren't expensive enough to be Silver Lake. Unkept property. But there's some areas in L.A. like this that have a million different types of trees that might catch you off guard because they're like put in there to be pretty.

Could this be Milwaukee? Someone said this might be Cream City. They're saying Milwaukee. They're saying Boston. I don't know. Milwaukee. I don't think Milwaukee. looks like that from from the times that I've been

it's not it's not really like that I'm thinking Boston I'm thinking more of a northeastern vibe there's been Milwaukee I'm inclined to listen to them all right okay let's do it let's just keep putting it on chat and if they fuck us they fuck us so we're just like duck in blame to where if we're wrong who cares yeah

who hell knows nobody knows all right let's see Milwaukee I hope they get us I hope they get us right with this dude I need to put the screen closer to us it's so hard to see I look old oh we're nowhere close chat You guys screwed us.

It was Philadelphia. What? Trying to tell you. What? You mentioned it? Northeast. Yeah. Okay.

You did say that. And I'm going to take a win off of that. Okay. Four in a row lost. Here we are next. We have a little park. Oh, this might be Chicago. Actually.

Man, this is so hard with all these suburbs. All of America looked the same, man. What's going on? I know. This was cities would be easy. Yeah. I don't know if about like foliages. street signs.

Place me in the most random burb ever, but this could be everywhere. That, I don't know. I don't see Chicago. But seeing them, seen them. Okay, we got some shitty ass grass, grass and sidewalks right here. This looks like garbage. I'm assuming this is either Cleveland or Chicago. It's, okay.

It can't be Chicago, actually. There's too much space. Yeah, I do feel like this is going to be a little bit Midwest because you have the brick on the bottom, which a lot of the Midwestern houses have. And then I wouldn't be mad with Cleveland. That's what Cleveland. Chad, you guys are saying Gary, Indiana, try mid-middle of Illinois.

These are NBA cities only. Yeah, but this could be the south. What do you guys want to try? Cleveland. Yeah, I was thinking Cleveland. Palm trees? Yeah. Palm trees.

Is it like Arizona or something? Oh, fuck. Wow. Okay, threw me off. Is this like Phoenix? Ooh, shit, that just blew me. Fuck, man. Phoenix obviously is like a desert place,

but they have grass. But I know a lot of, at least in New Mexico, I'm assuming it's the same in Phoenix. They have a lot of yards, have rocks instead of grass. I haven't been to, But this is a lot of green. This is a lot of green to be thinking about it.

Someone's saying in Atlanta, ah, could be, but I don't think so. You think Atlanta? There is a lot of dead space there. But there's, this is just too much.

So I'm saying this is Melbourne, spamming that? See a random corvette. Houston? We can't, we can't talk too much with the palm trees. People put fake palm trees in every city.

I've seen palm trees in Texas and I'm like, what the hell? Okay, so, but still, Phoenix, Phoenix might not be a bad thing. Yeah, we don't know nothing.

It's way too green. It's way too green. It's way too green to be Phoenix. It's way too green to be Phoenix. Wait, what is this double street type of thing? It's almost a tough Corvette. Like, they have this in Chicago. That's what I'm saying.

So it might be midway. This might be Cleveland. They're saying this is Houston doing. It's pissing me off. They put ponches everywhere. Don't even think about that anymore. Someone said this is Houston trust. Houston's so big anywhere it could be Houston.

Honestly, but I don't, I don't think of Houston. Oh, okay. Look at these garbage. Does that bring a bill? Because shit like that. That's how you tell a shit like that. It's like you look at the municipal shit. that looks like a certain place because some cities do it differently

I need to see this like in Chicago we put it in our alley here at least my place in Texas is the front of the house this is the front of houses okay it's somewhere in Texas fuck it I don't think it's I don't know it's this is tough this was hard fuck it bro it's Midwest 100%

they're saying this ain't Midwest 100% bruh that's Cleveland too much rubbish someone said it's Chicago Charlotte Charlotte Charlotte this could be anywhere honestly where we want to guess I don't I don't know

You can put Cleveland Fuck it Cleveland Did we guess I don't think so Okay Where's Cleveland on here I'm blind

Ohio I feel like it might Ohio Texas so I don't know Let's try Cleveland Guess Oh my God

It was Dude New Orleans again Dude we got a repeat That timeout That's a new Flag on a play No I don't count We got a repeat

It's because I refreshed Ah okay Okay Okay Now these are pomptory This is a nice This is a nice Tropical

Oh, yeah, that's Miami. Yeah, that's Miami. Let's guess right away. Finally, right. Yeah, we begin putting the trenches of all these shitty middle of nowhere towns. Yeah. Let's try Miami. Just calling somebody's head tragic.

Great guess. Miami. Finally, we get something easy. Yeah. Someone said, oh, yeah, this got to be Chicago. You probably. Next up. Oof.

Hmm. Power lines. Okay, we see this truck. Okay, we got a little. highway okay this this makes it like Georgia to me truck everything feels like Georgia to you Indiana streets no okay time about we've seen multiple trucks also this is a bus stop with what does that look like right there hard to say let's go back here a little bit hmm you got black people on it no I don't

I've seen multiple trucks I do think this is somewhere in the south so do you want to go Okay, C. Could this be, is the OKC looks like? Sure, that's right. We haven't tried O'KC. Yeah, I don't really see anything. I've never been to Oklahoma.

I haven't been to O'KC. I've been to Tulsa. Let's take a while, guess. Is this Oklahoma? Nice guess. It's not. It's San Antonio.

Okay, no, there's a relatively similar. That's fair. That's fair. I'm okay with that loss. I'll live with that. Fuck that, man. This is bullshit.

This is really hard. I'm like investing game better. All this shit looks like the same place outside of Memphis, bro. Yeah, because they're all suburbs. Yeah, It looks like a 30 block radius. Phoenix, Phoenix.

Oh, yeah. I told you Rock screams to me, Louisiana Street. That doesn't mean much. Yeah, it doesn't mean anything. But maybe it's somewhere else in the Louisiana purchase. Oh, someone's saying Portland. No, Portland does not look like this. Let's say Phoenix.

I like that. Isn't what Phoenix looks like? This is, again, this is way too green and foliage. Does Sacramento look like this? Could. Someone said that's Phoenix housing. Hmm. Do you want to try Phoenix?

Chat, Chad is co-signing this Phoenix. Let's do it. Let's do it. Okay. I did say earlier that rocks. The rocks got me. I said Rocks reminds me of Phoenix in New Mexico. Let's roll with our gut.

Try again. What the fuck? We haven't gone right in a minute, man. What is this? Denver. Okay, well, what the fuck? Come on now. I told you it was too green to Phoenix.

Denver looks everywhere, man. Oof. Ugly. All right, BP, though. Hmm. 205. Oh, this is D.C. Oh, it's 205.

So this is a cheap gas. This is D. Why is it D. Because I see that green pathway or that's where bikes. Man, there's a bike goes everywhere. There's a bike goes like this in New York. I think this is decent. Okay, that is fair, though.

They would not have bike lanes like that in... This is not, yeah. So it's not Texas. That's for damn sure. Yeah. They would not have bike lanes. They have these bikes. Or this could be Philly.

They have these bikes ones here in Chicago. This is somewhere, yeah, but not this wide, obviously. Somebody saying in Boston? So you're not just saying anything. Could it be Philly again, too, just... I don't know. That's doing repeats. Now, I also don't know when these pictures were taken, but 205 for gas is like...

Mad cheap. That's ridiculous. Beauty and Company. What is this off-branding? Dundess store. It's just a random beauty supply store. Yeah. So this isn't like a,

so it's hard because we're not in like the city. So this isn't like a nice area. Yeah, Mike. Taxes. Like, yeah, we're kind of in the slums. Just keep going. But they got slums everywhere. Metro,

Metro, we're in the slums. Ooh, this might be Georgia. But we are in the hood right now. But everywhere, every city has slums. What's next to Metro? Is that wing stop? No, I don't think so. Oh, wait.

It changed to an older picture. when I came back. Yeah, Bird King. This is not a nice area. I think this is Georgia. Okay, we'll give you Georgia again. Or it might be like, you've been guessing Georgia every goddamn time.

Eventually you got to be right. Yeah. What are they saying? Memphis. I'm saying a lot of Memphis again. Hey, fuck, we're talking about the slums. Let's roll. I got Memphis.

Fantastic. It's Memphis. Yo, Grizzies fans got to be sick watching this. We said there's just the slums. It's got to be Memphis. Yeah. That's tough. That's the first one we got right off a vibe.

like that god damn bro we've been starving starving okay next up oh my god this is texas for sure nah i don't know what is this over here this isn't like very texas like it's just a lot of what's this bus look like just a lot of land does the bus have a name on it or is that blurred no i have no name on it hmm yeah it's a lot of space where are we it is a lot of space it's like a church could be texas yeah look at the side okay look at this church and look at the flatlands a lot of flat land could be missouri you see the you see the there's no there's no team in oh I read the chat

I was thinking Kansas City there's a lot of parking spots out front that's also screaming actually not really though because there's no

parking lot Texas would have a parking lot there's a parking lot right there to the back right yeah right there oh over here's a parking lot gotcha

I mean I didn't see that yeah this might be is that a parking lot I thought that it was like a roundabout oh you're right that's a fucking parking lot for sure could I think it's Texas

could it be San Antonio again oh this San Antonio car out for it San Antonio oh yeah dude no a car parked on the grass

These are Mexicans. This is San Antonio. That's what I'm saying. This is San Antonio. Y'all's legacies on the line, car parked on the grass. If it's not, if this is not in Texas,

I would be shocked. If that is not San Antonio, I'll be shocked. God, great guess. It's Houston. Okay. We're close to go.

It's Texas. That is a Mexican shit to park on the grass. There had to be Texas. There was clearly no space too. He just said, I'm bar right in front of it. He didn't have to do that.

Yeah. That makes sense. We knew it was Texas. Yes, one of them. Finally a city Okay Interesting

Brick houses This looks like a Chicago building For sure This could be Chicago It's a lot of brick A lot of brick Oh this This is Chicago

Hold on Do I recognize He says This is my block This looks like Chicago This building right here I think it might get to Chicago Yeah

This is definitely Chicago I'm gonna say Listen we've been here for about a year now Yeah If I can't call my shop by now I'll never know this place See the Chicago or D.C. Bray

I guess D.C. could be similar huh? Yeah. I like the Chicago Pick. Fantastic guess. Great. I was like, I recognize that building. Wait, where do you say it is that? Up by Costco? Yeah. Hey, don't know if that's yourself now.

Not for dogs or something. I live in this general area. I was like, yo, I know that building. I live in this general part of the town. This is by Costco. I tried to drive fast by that, actually. It was around the corner. That's crazy.

Phoenix. Yeah. Yeah. This is Phoenix immediately. Couldn't dry. Phoenix immediately. I'll be so fucking mad if it's not. Yeah, there's no New Mexico.

There's no Las Vegas. It's got to be Phoenix. We're talking about all this Phoenix earlier, all this green shit. There we go. 45 miles, so it's outside of Phoenix. Actually, we just put the wrong side. We're right. Boom.

Another one on our board. Okay. And there we go. That's the end of this video. We clutched up towards the end. We got three in a row off intuition. Yeah. Texas, Chicago, Phoenix.

I was about to say, man, I got to travel more, man. I got to go to Memphis again. I got to go to Texas. I ain't doing it. I go to Memphis. After seeing the picture, I ain't going. Yeah, hit up the local metro PCS. Next to the beauty supply.

You got to hit that? Yeah, I know what's going on. But that means, I appreciate all y'all coming through for this. What, what do you say? Is it the last question? What was it? That's asking if I'm Ugandan. You do look East African as fuck.

I thought you reached Africa when I first met you. I told you I get that a lot. Yeah. The streets thing on. I swear, if you do. Andcestry.com if your dad does that. Wait. The streets say,

the streets always ask if I'm Ethiopian. I know. Someone in the chat just says some shit about Philip Rivers. So I pull up my phone to see if they're serious. What happened? Bro. This is an early house call thing. We'll talk about tomorrow on our football show.

What the hell am I looking at? With Daniel Jones out for the year and Riley Leonard week to week, the cultural workout Philip Rivers? He's so old. What? What is happening? Oh, my God. What the fuck?

It's River's birthday today. 44 what this is the most like left-handed what that's so random he got to get away from his family he got like 15 kids he's like I'm done this is wild that's outrageous I mean you don't work him out unless he's gonna do it key we're gonna see Philip Rivers take snaps in big 20 there's no way there's no fucking way he might if Joe Flacco can do it Philip Rivers saying I got three games So they're playing anyone over Anthony Richardson. Oh, you're hurt right now, right? Yeah, he has broken face.

Come on. Wow. This is wild. What is the NBA equivalent of this? This is like Deerrin Fox, tearing his Achilles, and Tony Parker unretires to complain for the Spurs. But not even.

This is like Lamello getting hurt and Tony Parker and retiring for the Hornets. Like, what is you doing? Go home. You're good. You don't owe them anything. Oh, man. This is terrible.

Yeah. Well, we'll react to that. on house call tomorrow check it out about 3 p.m. Central standard time house call will be out what's mark it's all doing right now. Oh god. Zach Gidey's hurt, call it Marks. That's exactly what it is. And with that being said, we'll see y'all on Friday for this week's episode. See y'all tomorrow for house call. Thanks. If Philip Rivers does win the Super Bowl, he is a Hall of Fame right now. See y'all later.