The Deep 3 Podcast - Reacting To Chat's Hottest NBA Takes! | TD3 Live

Episode Date: November 27, 2024

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Uh-oh, y'all, I think it's another TD3 Tuesday. I think it's another early TD3 Tuesday at that. You have a minute early? Really 90 seconds early for being honest. I mean, it's not even close to being late. Who might have bragged? Who's counting? Who's counting?

Yeah, yeah. Listen, I'm just saying we're on time, and I don't got to be specific about the amount we're on time. But just say, it's a lot. It's just something light. Yeah, that's what we do. Man, you said, oh, oh, and I was like, what's wrong? What happened? Is there more disaster and chaos already added into my life?

I'm already facing the NBA finding Trey Young and the Atlanta Hawks $100,000 for fake injuries, bro. I'm already facing a three game losing street. What the fuck else do I need to go through? I'm stressed. Yeah, you're not having a good week at all. You sent me a tweet about the Hawks earlier, and let's just say it wasn't positive.

We'll talk about that later. Let's just say you're not happy with the current state of your team. Pain. Welcome back, everybody. buddy to yet another live stream t3 tuesdays here as always giving you our live episode for the week got a lot to talk about today and the news stories like usual but you know today's an exciting episode something you do every so often it's one where we're going to interact with you guys as you see about the title we're going to react to your best hot takes not to start of the show

you know how it goes to do the new stories but in the second half of the show you guys are going to span the chat up and we're going to respond and tell you guys you're either geniuses or dumb as hell where the real eater's at I see some of the chat Alex Smith said he's got his crayons on his plate ready to go. There you go, because today's going to be an especially crayon-filled episode with all the hot takes you guys are going to give us. Oh, let's go. Let's do it.

Oh, early on, before we even get started with the new stories, we have the one and only Kevin Galicki here donated $30. He said, never been happier than my lobbying king is back. Was that the game last night. It's over for the league. Let's talk about that. Let's open up. Shout out Kevin Glicky.

Thank you for the $30. Let's go ahead to open up and talk about the Boston Celtics. Because, like you just said, yesterday was Christos Porzingis first game back at the season. And in that first game of the season, let's just say it went quite well for the Celtics. I got this to be pulled up. Boston scored 51 points in the second quarter. The Clippers had 49 points in the entire first half. Oh my God.

Yeah, man. Yeah, this is it. We are in the Celtics era. Yeah, they're back, fully back. I agree with where I said it was very nice to have. appear for the Celtics and the Eastern Conference while it lasted. Sorry, Cavaliers. I think those days are done.

Yeah, we had one month where it's like, oh, who's going to win the title? Like, are the cabs going to get there? Somebody going to come out the Western Conference. Now Christoph's is back and it's like, all right, these guys are going back to back. Like, they, they got it. If they are healthy, there is, there's nobody on their

level if they are, they're all there. And it's just like, man, they've been playing pain. Purching got all this confidence. Sam, how's it got all this confident. You're talking about their damn confidence. You got all this confidence. But no, it's, I guess we can talk about it.

Obviously, we all believe the Cavs are a great team. We all ranked them in the top three of our power rankings. I have the number two in the league. Shout out the amazing start they're on. Pretty soon if they just keep winning all their games, we're going to start having to have conversations about like, what is this win total going to get to? Like, is it going to be 70?

Like, their pace is crazy. And it's hilarious. But can we have other conversations, though? you're right because that can be true but we also don't give a single fuck because nobody believes they're better than the Boston Celtics in their conference it's ridiculous to the Celtics at that point

they came to a point in time Isaac where I told you like two podcast or three podcasts ago I believe it was probably in the season predictions episode I was like yeah listen they might be able to look the Boston Celtics in the eyes the Cleveland Cavaliers came into their arena

and they were undefeated and of course they got their backspuner out initially and then they and then you know like the game was closer but really like it wasn't even close to start off with and now I fear that you're probably right this entire time yeah like they just they just looked so complete and the fact that like I thought that we were going to see Chris Thompson a little bit later because they gave us a you know they told us that he was going to be out a while but you figured okay since Celtics they're going to be rolling anyways, you might as well play it just a little bit more cautious for Christop.

So I thought that we weren't going to see him until like mid-December, late December, maybe even January of next year. The fact that you have an extra month in a lot of people's eyes in terms of like ramp up and getting him in basketball shape, once like he's going to play the next two months and then guess what, all-star break, gets another break right there, then gets to go into the serious ramp up for the playoffs. They're going to be in such sync by the time April comes around that. that with Chris stops back with the Eastern Conference being trashed this year,

they're probably going to walk to another finals. Like 15 and 1 is the mark from last year. Can they surpass that? Can they do with the captain? Can they go 16 or 12 and 0 in the conference? Probably. It wouldn't be crazy. It's just like this season, we've all thought they're the best team,

but they've seemed not even moral because they're still obviously the best team. But they weren't as dominant, like, you know, those cabs were a story. And that was because as great as the Celtics are, as great as the offensive system that we've seen deployed over the last year and a half has continued to be great the whole time. The lack of big men showed, you know, they have three losses on the season. It's because their interior defense has been terrible. So as soon as KP comes back, there goes that weakness.

And it's back to them being absolutely perfect. Yeah, they're out here running minutes with Al Horford, who is two years away from being in the home. He said that two years ago. I'm noticing that. Maybe he's just never ever going to be like going back to a home. Uh-uh. Listen, shout out Max Killing, man.

Alhorfer is going to fall off a cliff. It's coming. Tap it's about to happen. You know what's super underrated part about the Boston Celtics? These guys just never get hurt. And obviously, when your best players don't get hurt and they're just relatively like some of the most healthiest players on a consistent basis, you're going to roll into health. of a lot of wins.

And I feel like no one really talks about the Celtics in that aspect of things when comes to Tatum. He's based in fucking Iron Man. Jaylon Brown, same thing, too. They've never had any real injury that's kept them out for more than 15 to 20 games. Same things can be said about, I guess Drew Holiday as of late. Derek White, too. Their main guys are just guys who don't do real reckless damage around the rim and have

typically just like, ironically enough, the best luck. Yeah. And that's part of it It's not even really luck They're just durable guys that are just available It's not even luck It's just like value you know Like that's the reason you can make

A Christoph's Portuguese trade And deal with the ups and downs of him Because you have just incredibly reliable players I imagine that's not a coincidence I imagine that's part of their equation And when they decide who they're going to get 100% Yeah

And especially like Every team in the league feels like at some point in the season Your start player is going to miss two weeks How are you going to be able to now navigate that how you're going to be able to adapt to it and the subtakes are like eh we just we just won't we just won't go through that that's just our solution to every star player at every point getting injured in the modern NBA it's like hey what if our guys just didn't get hurt exactly

fuck that I need to lead to run an investigation behind the scenes over there in Boston bro this doesn't make any sense just because the Hawks are acting fraudulent and I need an investigation now Just because there's an investigation over there doesn't mean you have to bring it to Boston. But yeah, like that's a major advantage. And the two, I guess the three people, the three like major, major star players that I see that with are you see it with Jason Tatum. You see it with Shea. She doesn't really get hurt that much. And you see it with Yokic.

Yeah. Those three guys, two of them in Yokich and Shay, top two in MVP voting, Tatem is always going to force his way into, you know, fourth in that conversation. that's it's a major ability and it's a major advantage over an over an 82 game season 100% being available is like it's at the end of the day that that ends up being what the side series almost in the modern NBA with you know we talked about at length in the past the extra pace the extra skill style of play these big bodies that can do all these virtual things that big bodies didn't do back in the day all these things combined have made injuries a bigger issue than ever so it's just a major major competitive advantage to simply be healthy all the time it's a difference between being an MVP candidate and being Kauai Leonard and now you are the biggest like year after year you're just the biggest what if in in the league yeah I mean it's literally the difference in Yokes and Joaquin if Joanne B had eight years of healthy playoff runs to try and get in there maybe who'd want one by now but he's never had a single healthy playoff run so it makes a difference for your team thanks pretty soon

we're going to talk about I don't remember we'll get into him later but I want to talking about the second new story of the day, which is the biggest new story of the day, the most relevant, pressing information, one of the greatest point guard performances from a young guard we've seen in years. Alfred Payton had 14 points, 21 assists, 7 rebounds, 2 steals, and 64% from the field for the Pelicans yesterday. Did you say Young Guard? That man, we're only 14.

How did you all feel witnessing greatness go down yesterday? It's wild because they. still can't give Isaiah Thomas a job? If anybody can roll off the street and get 20 assists, much less for a team who has lost and seven best players, what are we doing here? Like, how is that possible? I think that is the biggest takeaway is like if you can get to the NBA and if you can get to even the 15th, you know, 15th spot on a roster, the level at which you are good

at basketball is insane, and better than everybody else is crazy. Dude, he started his game. He rolled off the couch, got hired, the first game he's played in two years, and he got 20 assists. That has to be up there with one of the more just impressive feats we've seen in a few years. Just off the testament of you've never once played for this team. You haven't touched an NBA basketball on a regulation game in well over a calendar year. And to get 20 assists, that's a fuck ton of assists.

Like, this is an incredible feat, unironically. This shit tells me, like, two things. The NBA needs to expand so badly, so bad because there's no way that the Pelicans can pick up guys like Brandon Boston, Jr. And you can just, like, produce day one and look like a real rotational, valuable piece. And also, like, Alfred Payne seeing what he's done and being absolutely productive, too. So it tells me that. And then it's also frying the fuck out of me, hearing, again, that the Pelicans lost seven rotational players. We haven't seen that type of elimination since COVID.

Like, I remember when folks got COVID or whatever, we just need bam, bam, bam, bam, and then like all of a sudden, like the bench we're going to put in like 15 minutes. Elimination. Like, that is crazy. You know who had to be upset watching this? Lonnie Walker had to be heated. He had, everybody has been caping for Lonnie Walker for the last couple months.

And like, he didn't get signed. And that's when, you know, I saw a lot of people. being, you know, saying the same thing that Mo was saying. It's like, oh, like the league, it has to expand. Like, we need a place for Lonnie. And I've never, I've never seen the league fight for rotational players, for role players like that. But, like, he has to be bad. Like, he has to be watching and be like, I could have got 20 points.

Like, I could have did something. I don't know. At the same time, too, I'm just like, bro. Kellyan Hayes was employed, not anymore, but he was employed with the Brooklyn Nets, like, not that long ago. the Brooklyn Nets chose that man over Alani Walker at a certain point in time I think GMs need to make

better decisions at the same time next new story actually let me get some donations because they're flying in let me go acknowledge everybody before I make you guys go by the wayside shout out Joaquin 37 for donating $3.23 cents appreciate you Joaquin thank you

frequent donator shout out Carlos for tipping $10 he said okay and I'm not going to read this shout out eyes of all Eyes of avocado for tipping $10. Appreciate you. And shout out,

Horse of Yok, you're tipping $5. There we go, man. Appreciate you. He said, he said, he said,

you give us a hot take in here. So I guess we get, you know, it's a hot take episode. We got to read every single hot take of someone donates. That's how it goes. He said,

hot take, NBA positions are becoming obsolete. We have centers refusing to play in the paint, shooting guards who can't shoot and point guards who can't play make. I feel like forwards are the only positions that remain relatively unchanged. Surprise,

surprise. this has been the case for the last few years and it's been the cape not even last few years really like the last 10 years to me i would even go back even further to like the miami heat days when chris boston moved to center like full time i think that's when we saw like a slow shift happening and then when draymond was implemented the starting lineup for the warriors back in 2014 or whatever yeah that's when they made it super loud and won an nb championship with a super undersized six four six five four so yeah for so and shout out kevin good look if you donate in 30 more dollars he said i'm not trying to push anything but why is she so clearly better than tatum

tatum can do everything shea does but he's six foot nine oh he's not so clearly uh right the argument is like she's fifth and tatum is like six or seventh so he's not so clearly better they're definitely in the same tier whichever regardless of which one you think is better they're very close so i wouldn't use that verbiage i wouldn't i wouldn't think anybody's saying it's like a blowout yeah i'm not saying this a blonde you're seeing as a blog you kind of feel like that well taiton so if it's a blow what the thing we're talking about because taiton's been yeah no i think like up until this point like if you asked me last season and coming into this year for me they were definitely in different tiers like i would have my top tier would have been right season i would

have two tiers it's yokic in a tier by himself and then it's yonis lucas shea in another tier and then it would have been Tatum and whoever else you want to put in, I guess, that third tier. Putting Shea in the same tier as Yonis. I can't be in the same tier as Yonis. I mean as Yonis, putting Shea in the same tier as Yonis is crazy. Oh, wow. We just hate, we just hate

two-way demons who are averaging in a 15 and 30 points for a game. I'm sorry. Like that's... To call it a two-way demon in the same vein as Yonis is ridiculous. Like, Shay's defense is cool. It's very good. It's very impactful compared to most our guards. But Yonis is an actual two-way impact guy. I would that

There's a delineation there, I think. Nah. All right, never mind. Not here. But no, Tatum is definitely in the same realm. It's not so clear. The hate y'all have for bucket getters. It's been accumulated over the past couple weeks.

Fucking unc, man. I love bucket getters, man. Anyways, next new story we got, Fred Van Vleek continues to be real as hell. After this game yesterday, and which he lost in a questionable call, he went to each ref and he said you're a bitch you're a bitch and he poked one in the face which you obviously can't do and he was fined one hundred thousand dollars as he should have been because you can't be walking them poking refs in the face but i just love that fred van fleet has made it that the most notable memorable thing he'll be remembered for is being real as

fuck about the anti-ref agenda that he's been on for years he is true to it it's about time it's about time these guys are making 80 80 100 million dollars you can spend some of that You've gone out on a night and spent half of that. Why not, right? Why not get your agendas off for an extra $20,000? When you know that you can make it back, you've got, listen, Fred Van Bleet got a contract that was only because he was 27 and not 24. Like he had to be in the room.

You have money to spare now. Go ahead. Do it a couple more times to see that. I love it for Fred Van Bleet, Beau. To be honest, I was kind of hoping that he would not slap him, but get a little closer. him to actual finger all of the business. You got to relax but I do

again you can't poke him he's gonna get fired for that you can't be touching the rest that's that's be you're you're fucking professional but I just love that he's always ready to call someone out because even if it's like

not why you lost the game or you know if he's not actually in the right I just love the energy because it's such a I imagine it's good for the locker room you know to be consistently looking for

smoke what's accountability yeah I feel that Listen, Fred's right. It feels like me. I would have back in it. Yeah. Fresh should not touch a ref ever.

That's not smart. But I think using your press conference time to be like this guy needs to do his job better, I like it. I agree. That's cool. I'm about saying you should smack home. There's no butt after that. What's the next thing we got? He could have went with a one-two jab slip.

Like, he could have did some more. The rest should be thankful that Fred didn't really pop off. It would be real. Western Conference executives believe that the NBA could eliminate conferences and have a top 16 team playoffs when the league expands to 32 teams. Quote, Brian Winhorse. He said, instead of dealing with the thorny competition, West executives told ESPN that they believe both issues can be corrected

by dropping conferences all together and seating teams 1 through 16, regardless of geography. The concept has been raised before, but expansion, the thinking goes, would create a reason to take a fresh look. How do you feel about this? We've talked about this in the past. And we've talked about reasons we're for it or against it

with the current state of the NBA. Do you feel like it's more reasonable to do that if they expand 32 teams? No. I think in the regular season, it's fine. I don't think it matters. I think where it matters is the playoffs because then you can get a situation

where like the Knicks and the Sixers can be matched up in the first round and they're taking a bus, you know, to the games. Like, they're traveling as a two-hour bus ride rather than if, you know, the Lakers and the heat got messed up or if the league expands to Seattle, you go from Seattle to Miami and now you're taking seven-hour flights back and forth throughout the series. Like, that's going to be something where people are going to, like, point to.

And you're going to seize, that's going to be the next complaint about this. And all the people is just going to be like, yo, like the travel is unreasonable to do that in such a small amount of time. It's okay if we do it for the finals because it's one series. But to have the entire league do that over the course of a playoffs is it feels unfair. Yeah. Yeah. I understand that. And it definitely is a quality issue.

I, again, I understand it. And I think it's something 100% to consider and figure out. But I feel like if that's your only reason to not want to do it, like they'll be fine. you know like they'll live and i understand it would cause it to you they will until they won't until they won't when somebody loses when some whoever loses that matchup is going to come out and they are going to be upset at their travel situation for sure and they're they're going to use it so like it's fine what's not happening to you there's always a downside and there's always going to be some kind of drawback with everything push and pool if occasionally you have a crybaby team like

the 2018 Houston Rockets who are gonna be like if I didn't have to travel to New York three times we would have been fresher leg of a so fucking be it if that's the price maybe it's okay

and they just make more rest days between it makes a series longer I guess I don't know I'm saying you don't even have to do that really just shortened the season adding a few more teams

they're not doing that sadly but I wish I wish that was a thing but yeah if that if they are gonna consider this then they absolutely have to shorten the season and I think overall that'll like make better quality product for everyone. Yeah, just toss-knit-travel day.

Extend the series. Like, I don't know. There's two things that, like, you have to do, like you said. You are either shortening the season or you're pushing it all the way to like July if you're adding in like these extra rest days. So it's either that or you are going to have to tell the eight teams in the Eastern Conference or the six teams, whatever, that already suck, that they can't get a free pass anymore. And you are not getting, you are not getting half of the Eastern Conference to be like, yeah, we'll give up, you know, we'll give up a spot because if that's the case, there's going to be like three or 14 from the east that actually.

They're not giving up a spot. They need to be better. You know who's the Atlanta Hawks who are perfection of the 8th seed. They're going against us immediately. But, I mean, it is what it is. Yeah, I'd rather see a better quality product. If you want to be at a part of the playoffs, just simply be better. Is that simple?

Chad, I want to hear chat, I don't know what you guys think about this portion of it, because I think the travel reason is a reason that would need to be considered, but I don't care as much about that, because I feel like you can logistically figure it out. The reason I wouldn't really be for it is, again, I want to hear if you guys agree with this chat. I feel like the NBA, the current state they're in, there's been a lot of discourse around ratings and all these reasons that young fans don't care about regular season or whatever anymore. I feel like it would be very counterproductive to disband conferences essentially

and make them not matter. Like do we really feel like the NBA is in a state right now with all the modernization they've been doing all of the discrediting of regular season of different things that used to matter for culture building? Do we feel like they're in a place where they can get rid of even more culture

and more legacy by making conferences matter even less? Like isn't that kind of long-term kind of productive? 100%. 100%. I think at a certain point I think like if you're not going to if you're not going to have like the same teams over and over in the in the playoffs and you're not going to have the have the CBA

you know kind of set teams up to be good for long periods of time something that you kind of do need to do is make I think making the game more regional and adding that that aspect to it can help to where like everybody in my division like I hate those I don't I don't care about the about the other conference but there's four of the teams of my division that I absolutely can't stand and now we have this like little network of it and obviously once we get once we get to the playoffs I want to win a championship I want to get that but throughout the throughout the regular season you follow more of like an NFL model where like hey if it's a divisional game both of us may suck but you suck more than me and that's the that's the main that's the main thing exactly and it's It's hard to do that. You can't really replicate the NFL's model just because the sample size of the games. When in NFL you have 16 games and eight of them are against your rivals, like that's a poor, half your, or maybe less than half now, but damn near half your games are against the bitter rivals you've had for 60 goddamn years.

You're never going to hit that point. But they could do stuff. Like maybe it's the NBA Cup. Your group is always your division. That could be a good start. They have to find some ways to incentivize it. And I understand why like a decade ago they went away from divisions because, you know, the NBA was. was in a modernization period under Adam Silver

that led to many great things and got us to the point where MBA is bigger than ever online and all these reasons, part of which is because they've been increasingly modern in almost every way. This is the one that back part, I think. And they have to latch on to some traditionalism and try to just unk it out a little bit

and build this long-term rivalry because that's sorely missing, I think, from just general fandom caring about regular season. Oh, yeah. And now what's left? Now what rivalries? We have to build all new ones cross conferences, which could happen.

Maybe that could be better, but you're kind of setting yourself back in the short term. The game is, the game is too random at this point. Like, there's, there's, there's so much change that happens from, from year to year that you can't, like, you can't, you can't, you can't bank on, on that happening. Even, even when you're in situations where you think that you know exactly what's going to happen, you can go, like last year, there's clearly two teams at the top of the conference, like Janus and Dame just paired up. and then you have the Celtics.

And we felt from the summer, we are on this path for these two teams to collide. And Milwaukee doesn't even sniff the second round. Stuff like that doesn't even happen. Like the last time that we, that we like predicted something what happened in the offseason and it came to fruition was the whole Cavs Warriors finals. And that was kind of the last time of that era.

And now it's like, okay, we might have one good team, but even like teams like the Nuggets, who we all thought we're going to get to the finals. Didn't get there last year. Someone said Dan Wise Mo yawning is only 6.30. Sleepy ass. You're taking that? Bro, it's my nap time right now.

Hey, someone in the chat right now, Sahaj Bola is spamming. Lakers win it all. You know, it's funny, because the next new story we got pulled up is a tweet, a screenshot of the scoreboard from their last game against the Nuggets. It says, this is wild.

At the second quarter, with a minute and 26 seconds left, the lakers are up by 10 leading the Denver Nuggets 63 to 53 in the fourth quarter with nine minutes and 44 remaining which is about 14 minutes later at game time they were down by 23 points the nuggets went on a 50 to 17 run yeah yeah a main mole story that we've been witnessing over the last two years nothing has changed we could look at the roster yeah slight tweaks here near no cp aaron gordon not even playing as for the lakers same old roster row just new just new head coach it doesn't matter yokech is coming through those doors i saw a tweet the other day or the same night actually i think it's it said some like what lebron did to the charonarna rafters back in those 2016 2017 2018 days that era yokech is doing the exact same thing to the lakers yeah i saw yeah i mean they've re they've renamed los angeles almost it's i mean it's It's Nicola, but you capitalized the L.A. at the back. So, yes, the last few years he is.

But when one team, they did beat them on route to a championship, so it's not quite as devastating as Lebronto, because Toronto was always like, they're the best team of the franchise has ever seen, and they can't get through it. You're getting your back blown out. That is what's happening. Your back is getting blown out viciously.

It's crazy back shots, but at least they got the history first. Toronto never got there first. They never got that one thing to look back to. They were just blocked from the start. At least we have 2020. You got the history when Monty Morris was the point. That's the old days.

That's the start of the new days. I mean, it's not that long ago. And you know what we, you know what we say about the old days. That's the game. Both teams are the same nuclei. It's, listen, it's the start of these days. Granted things are shot in a lot.

The last year old MPJ, nice. The last time the Lakers beat the nuggets, like for real, they had virtual fans. We were still in college. It's been a long time. since that is happening. We weren't in college a long ago. We're not 35.

I remember college still. Barely. So it's a blur. But no, it is hilarious. It's like such a... The Lakers have been playing very good in the first half they were out leading and just at halftime

something flips every time. It's a mental game and the nuggets always wear them out. J.J. Reck after this game, he threw his team on the bus in a positive way. He held them accountable. He was like, I can tweak as much as I want.

I can try to mind fuck anything I want. He said, we simply didn't play in the second half. Those guys were not there, and they didn't try very hard. And it's apparent, I can't really change anything about that. And that's real because they came out there, and there was no sense of urgency. He said, it's not my fault. Yeah, I did. I did what I could.

Yeah, he did. He's like, I can only change so much. If they don't want to try hard, they're not going to beat this team. It's Nicola Yolkich, and that's so real. That's funny. Oh, my God. It's like the all great, almighty Yokech. is coming. There's nothing they can do about it whatsoever. Just an impossible force to stop.

Shout out to Kevin Glicki for once again donating $30. He is running it up right now. He said Boston needs a Celtics so bad. The Bruins are going to miss the playoffs for the first time since George Bush. The Red Sox have the worst owner on Earth. And the Patriots have nobody other than Drake May, who's been bawling, by the way. That's true. Yeah. Sucks and suck. Finally, we see the, I can't even call it a collapse because the Celtics just won a title. but like the rest of the infrastructure is going down in flames.

We love to see it. Ooh, who. Yeah, wham, man, the rich get poor finally. Fuck off. You guys aren't too good of a life sports wise. It's about time you suffer a little bit.

Shout out to Anon for tipping $10. Appreciate you, Mr. Anonymous. Shout to Carlos for tipping $3. And shout to the horse of yokech are tipping $5. Appreciate all y'all, as always. Next news story. Let's talk about some Zion

Williamson news. Everybody's favorite man to talk about. Should we? It's been a quietly interesting week for Mr. Zahle-Willimson in the reports. For all the wrong reasons, actually. First off, we get a report from Shams.

Zion Williamson is not remotely close to returning due to a hamstring injury. Shams is always pretty specific about his verbiage, I think, when he goes on TV and describes things. Not remotely close is crazy. He didn't say there's no timetable in sight. He didn't say it's indefinite.

He didn't say they're working on it, yada, yada. Not remotely close is very, very harsh verbiage. He's not coming back anytime soon. No, no, he's probably done for the year. For the calendar, my goddamn, right? Yeah, for the calendar year, I hope so. With this language, it makes it sound like he's going to be back like damn near March, bro, February, which is something.

Dumb long and I'll hope for this. Might as well keep him off the rest of the year, bro. Tell him, try again next year, like you do. Can you do that again? There's just so many years of doing that. I got a certain point. Okay, we'll keep on. Well, keep your time.

you know you can't because the NBA will find you out the ass, but at this point, like, all hope is lost in general. But anyways, that's part of the Zion Dream sailed. The Zion Dream seems it's not a bet you want to make anymore. I'm past that. But that's fine. So that's normal. That's Zion Williamson.

He misses extended periods of time. Been there, done that, talked about that at length. We know how he goes. Next new story that came out a day later, CAA is no longer representing Zion Williamson, pro Joe Varden. His agents apparently dropped him. wait his agent dropped him or did he fire his agent I can't imagine he's in a position right now where he's the one firing his agent but maybe maybe I we don't I don't know this tweet doesn't specify but CIA is no longer representing him I think if this type of thing was announced and he was one initiating it and leaking it probably would have said Zion is fired CIA so yes my reading is they dropped his ass which is no happens that's interesting the next day I don't want to read too much into that buddy oh my God I want to replaying to that that and that's why we're goddamn talking about it because the next day it came out there was a news

reporter who did some kind of tv thing with him i don't remember i don't know where it came from but there was footage of him shirtless at his home he has a new tattoo on his back that was being showing off and stuff he does not look in shape at all i'll say that i don't have a pulled up we're not going to pull up and discuss his body but let's just say now before you app continue hold on on before you have let me save you this was apparently taken during the summer the tattoo this footage and all that was taken during the summer yeah okay so maybe he's more in shape now. His tattoo artist came out. I was like, yeah, this was taken during the

preseason or whatever the case may have been. Now, still, either way, he was not in good shape. Looking like that is like, yeah. Yeah, he was, again, we'll just say he was not in good shape to not have to get into any more verbiage describing the guy's body. That's not what we're here for. Noticing. No, I don't have it pulled up. I know you have a clip. We know you don't have a pulled up.

Let's save him now. And then the last headline, Zion reportedly wanted to end up in New York even before the 2019 draft lottery I told you I was the dream he had made it clear to the agency that he wanted to play in New York after beginning his crew in New Orleans

Williams expected more from his representation in regards to pursuing a trade to New York this is one of the two driving factors that resulted in his split very interesting I tried to tell y'all this was supposed to happen but Adam Silver didn't want to do his job

and rigged the lottery to send Zion to the Knicks. He should have did that. But it makes sense though because there was like a quick, for a quick second. There was, there was already talked before Zion really, really took off. They're like, okay, is he going to like play on the qualifying offer and really like get himself in position to where he can just leave to go to the Knicks?

And on night one from draft night, you saw all the clips and people were talking about. how unhappy Zaya looked to be in New Orleans. And there were clips of him mouthing, like, oh, I want to play for the Hawks or something like that. Like, it seemed like he wanted to play for every other franchise, except for the Pelicans. Yeah.

And now, like, we're here. They haven't, you know, they haven't really done anything. He hasn't played a lot of minutes. And I'm not, I'm not sure. I mean, at this point, like, he's not going to go to the Knicks. Like, he just doesn't fit in with what we're doing. Yeah, but Brooklyn, maybe she wants to be in New York. Yeah, if that's, if that's the real thing, if you just want to be in the city, yes, by all means, go over there.

Have fun. Okay, I mentioned all these different headlines so we can really, let's read between the tea leaves. What do we know about Zion? He is never in shape and has led to health issues. Also, health issues that aren't because of in-shavenousness, right? Like, he also just has unlucky injuries. Generally bad luck. Yeah, but he also clearly has had issues staying in shape and has been well reported that part of that seems to be.

be, at least from the team's perspective, motivation, you know, work ethic related issues, right? Apparently he doesn't want to be with that team. He wants to be somewhere else. Is that connected? Leaving representation, getting hurt again, all this stuff. Like, I feel like this thing under-talked about that every single piece of evidence on the court, off the court, whatever, seems to be leading to the fact that probably this summer, it seems like this experiment is going to be done in New Orleans. They just signed him to a new humongous contract, too. And speaking of that contract, something that a lot of people don't talk about or tend to forget. And the pelicans aren't going to, like, disclose this information.

But in terms of like whether or not he met these requirements, but there is like a body person body fat percentage clause into that too. And also like a weight clause as well. So I'm like, I have to imagine like, what if there was a scenario where if you were insinuating or assumed Isaac Bell. Like, yeah, he got dropped by his agency. Zion was not like able to meet those certain clause in qualifications and he was just like this shouldn't be a part of my contract anyways blah blah and just cut them off

I've never heard of that in general but maybe that is a lot more popular popular than oh yeah players are dropping of agencies that happens and no I'm talking about like body fat percentage of claws and stuff like that oh yeah that's not common that's clearly not common this guy's not common

but this last report about the New York thing makes it seem like it's being spun as being mutual which who knows what to take away from that but yeah we talked a lot about what is New Orleans to do with their weird roster construction right now we've been saying that you trade Brandon Ingram and really build around

Trey Murphy's start next to Zion but there's a lot of a lot of noise here that I feel like it's being largely under talked about that maybe Zon isn't someone you want to really focus on building around in the coming years so maybe Ingram is here to say you could have said that coming into to this year

right like you could have you like you and honestly you could have said it over each of the last two seasons where you just say, hey, I don't believe in Zion's ability to be on the court, whether that's because of his own fault or not. I just don't believe that he's going to be able to play a significant amount of games for us. And because of that, we have to move on. If I'm the Pelicans, I'm with you. I'm done with this entire experiment. I'm out on Zion. Brandon Ingram is not going to be my 1A on a championship team. I'm trading everybody. And the exact team that we have playing right now,

right, with their top seven guys out, that's going to be the team for the next two years while we go one of the most devastating tanks in the NBA. That is where they have to go because their ceiling right now is not a championship ceiling. They have been, their roster has been muddy. It hasn't fit. And they brought in another. other piece to make it muddier and fit even, uh, even less. I don't know where they, I don't know what they go here. Chad, I see you guys. I'll, I'm going to time out some of these people spamming shit. Chad, if you don't want to get banned from the chat today, stop spamming all those random bullshit because there's no mods in here right now. So I'm going to have to kick you guys myself.

Bro. But no, you guys are right. And, um, I forgot what I was going to say after that. But yeah, you could have said that coming to this is. You could have said that Zion isn't someone you can trust. But there's always a reason. to give him one more chance because we've seen it be so great we saw the playing game and all this this feels like the year like I'm finally over it I've been a staunch Zion defender I've been a huge fan and I'm finally like enough

is enough fuck this shit like it's probably not worth the juice isn't worth to squeeze clearly after five years of this experiment so maybe their patience is also running up what does the number have to be for you to be out on the early side because now people are like players are getting

contracts like I'm going to pay Zion $50 million a year before I know or have any kind of real clarity about what this guy is going to be able to give the team over the next five years. You can say that for for Zad. You can say that for Lamello. Like the Hornets have the same thing. Lamello hasn't really been been healthy over these last, you know, a couple of years. Why are we giving him $250 million off off roof? You can say that about Cade. It's not it's not Cade's fault. He's been in this situation. But I haven't seen the things that I wanted to see

and we're just going to give you $250 million. Yeah. How early can you step out on? At least those guys have work ethics and they aren't doubted from a character perspective.

And that's even worse. That's even worse. If you have your franchise guy and you don't know if he's going to work hard, forget being on the court. Work hard is a fundamental thing that I feel like every NBA franchise should want out of their franchise player.

If you don't have that and if you have those kinds of character issues, why why should I feel good? I know if he's on Williamson send him to Miami you know we got a guest appearance no we got a guess appearance

why not why not send him to Miami oh oh new TD3 character just dropped we got a new TD3 mascot the new cat I got two days ago who also doesn't have a name yet we're trying to figure what to name her

haven't decided so she's chat spam up names chat please spell names we need to ideas. We need to use immediately. I have, we cannot decide. It's pretty. Let's see. It's a boy or girl?

It's a girl. Okay. So we need girl to chat right now. Right now some, some are saying LaGote. Legote on that. I thought about if it was a boy, I was going to name my Anthony Davis. Because I had tweeted one time. What? What time? I texted Andrea. I asked her, can I name her cat, Anthony Davis? And she said yes, and I tweeted out. I really wanted to go back and quote it with the tag that said Anthony Davis.

But we ended up picking a girl, so I couldn't do that. People were saying, Splepelli Sanchez. La Cat. La Cat. Big Purr. Steph Perry. Ooh, big purr is great. Steph Perry.

Yeah. Hey, I might have to take some notes. Chat is going crazy. You are excited for the opportunity to name my cat. This is good. No, this is here. Big baby Glenn Davis. The same Pepe Chances.

Name me Pepe. Crayon Max. Pippe's unisex name. Name it Shea. They said Kobe, Kobe Perrette. Okay, that's the reach. That's hilarious.

Yeah, man, Zion's cooked and I'm really finding it difficult to root for my guy who I've been such a fan of since his rookie year. I want to believe in the, like, he has so much talent that's seemingly being squandered. And I feel like we're at the point now where he's one of those all-time what-ifs. He is in Greg Oden territory. He is in Grant Hill, Yao Ming, whoever you want to call. call in that territory for whatever reason didn't live up to their immense potential call them yeah call them modern day young me i love that yeah he's just he's in those

compos now forever again he might prove us wrong he might he's not old there's still looking at time but my my question to my question to y'all is that since zion wim what is his like what does his trade value look like fuck if i know i don't know a couple young players and two first on picks maybe you can you can you can still Yeah, you can still get a haul And there's one more team that will bite Let's say the Rockets want him Because they're a team that makes sense

Jabari, Cam and two first-on-picks, probably There's two good young players Not your best ones by any means And not your age-ships there But two good young players and two-for-shund picks Okay And at that point, the Rockets are still getting value on that Yeah, probably, but it's so unreliable

That you're not getting... Even that, I'm sure Rocket's hands would be like, I don't know, I kind of have a feeling these guys are going to be good. Like, they might not be all about that. That's tough. Yeah, I don't, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know if there's a lot of teams out there that either one have the assets to go complete a trade like that or two are on the right

timeline and can properly invest into Zion at this point. So he might just be stuck in, in New Orleans. But, I mean, the NBA is. weird and people make trades out of left field all the time. So maybe, maybe, you know, over the summer, somebody's had the entire year to forget about, you know, whatever Zion's issues are. And they start looking forward and be like, oh, well, if we just plug him in here, then he'll be fine. They're saying meowming for the cat name. Meal. That's hard. Meowming. That's hard. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. Yeah, I don't know. We'll see

what goes on with Zion. He has the rest of the year once he goes back to, you know, fix his credibility but right now it's looking tough speaking of drama there's a hilarious quote from jemal murray after the last night's loss he said it's a long season guys have lives outside of basketball we just beat l a in l a we've got some guys who live in l a so they stayed in l a i don't think the focus was there for everybody and that's what happens you don't have focus how do you guys feel about this because some nuggets fans weren't happy about this because they're like that's rich coming from you mr inconsistent god damn it do you guys feel like this is a good calling out of your teammates not when you were at the ufc fight two weeks ago

in the middle of games and the fight was in new york and you guys had to play somewhere else so you had to take a flight later that night and weren't you know where you needed to be so if it was somebody else maybe jamal can't be the guy to say that so shortly after he was just you know move it around like that yeah yeah it's tough hearing it from him he was he's probably better served like not talking about that at all it's gonna talk about anybody right now also i'm sorry you're just not you're just not playing well enough to say anything about anybody and if you guys get beat as bad as they did last night it's not it's not just it's not just a couple guys that is a team-wide we just didn't show up and I feel like calling out people after that loss is

probably not the move yeah I mean again I'm always it's in principle I like stuff like this but there's a lot of context that I can understand why some Nuggets fans find this frustrating it's probably not a big deal but I get it you was just all you were just at the fight like I really the lack of self-awareness here is really really really the lack of self-awareness here is really, really shocking to call people out for being like, yeah, they stayed in L.A. another day, which is a short of flight. You were across the country at midnight. He's a big UFC fan, man.

I don't care. Then watch the pay-per-view. I know you have a big TV. I know you have a big TV at the crib. Have a fight party. Have a fight party. It doesn't hit the homies. Before we get to the hot takes, it's almost time for you guys to spam it up and give us your hot

things. Before we get there, one got to go, Jalen Brunson, Kyrie Irving, De Aaron Fox, and Lamello Ball. Who has been the worst? Just this season, who has been the worst player here this season? Okay. The easiest way to go about this is Lamello has to say. Okay. This is tough. This is very difficult for this year. Because Jalen Brunson started slow. He's been pretty good as of late, I think. Kyrie has been Kyrie. You know, Lucas missed his game. He scored well. He's been exact what you expect. Darren Fox's, yeah,

well, he's had a rough game actually against the thunder, but who doesn't. But he had a hundred points in two days. Yeah, and yeah,

he's averaging 28, 28 overall in the season. His 3-point percentage is a little bit down, but this is like some of the best basketball he's played in a couple of seasons. He's been great.

So it's hard to say, D'N Fox. And Lamello's been good. So Lamello's had big scoring games. He's looked very dynamic and it's been great to see that come together in a very unique style. But it has been better

in these other guys? in terms of doing what he has to do if he's not like pounding the shit out of the ball and doing the craziest like what the fuck park moves ever hey Donovan Donovan say what you have to say what you have he wants to kick Lamelo out so bad no no I don't I was waiting for Isaac to kick Lamelo out oh no

I was just out by the way and I was going to I was going to go to bat for for lamello I agree I think I think it's Jalen for this year. Jalen hasn't, he's had moments where he looks like the Jailen Brunson of old, but there's a very, I mean, we've only played like 15 games. I'd say in at least six of them, maybe seven, Jalen Brunson has not looked great, whether it be his scoring,

whether it be making simple playmaking options to get involved, to get everybody else involved. It hasn't been the best. So, yeah, I think he would have to go out of these four. It's, it's, I mean, it also probably could be Kyrie. I know it's sacri religious to criticize Kyrie in any way, but I think it probably could be. What a term.

What a term? Sacraligious? Yeah, they're like a year, a year ago, that's all anybody wanted to do is just, like, make fun of Kyrie and just, and just, like, criticize Kyrie about anything. And now it's like, how dare you, how dare you speak, speak about Mr. Irving like that. Yeah.

You could go Kyrie just because, you know, he's playing next to Luca. But Luca hasn't been great. And the team's staying aflo, he's been a big part of that. He's been very consistent. Yeah, he's been the best player. Less is asked of him than these other guys.

I'm still going to go Jalen Brunson for the reasons you said. But I guess you could go Kyrie if you wanted to because you still value everything Jaylen's done, especially because they've had an elite offense in large part because of him. It's not just Kat. So, I don't know.

It's between those two, whatever way you want to go. Listen, it's because of cat, an OG and a nobody He's been amazing He's been absolutely snapping That's an all-star That's an all-star right there

Good God Someone said people talking about Kyrie like he cured cancer That 2016 shot was the polio vaccine To some people He saved fucking basketball He's Aaron Wiggins before Aaron Wiggins But all right man

It's time y'all It's time for the moment you guys been waiting for. The reason you click on this stream, the reason you see that title and you want to come watch this app, it is time for your hot takes. As always, we're going to alternate between take one from Twitter, which I tweeted earlier, told people to come and comment there. So if you ever want to have a better chance again picked, follow us on Twitter for these days. You'll get to it more likely to get to your tweet. We're going to do one from Twitter and then one from chat, go back and forth. Let's go. First one from chat. From at Mitchell

Mews, simple. He said Donovan Mitchell is currently the shooting guard one. How do you feel about this because Devin Booker isn't having his best year by any means and Anthony Edwards you know the Timberwolves are struggling while the cabs are on top of the goddamn world do you feel comfortable saying Donald Mitchell is currently the best shooting guard in the league not even a hot take at all like Donald Mitchell is clear as day the best shooting garden league currently clear a day oh come on it's not clear his day when it's so and it's but in terms of like deep book and his inconsistencies like there's no real like conversation which is really interesting because I always feel like

like Dibook was the consistent one. And like you, you knew exactly what you were getting from him. I would say right now that D-Mitch is having the best season out of the three and you can make the- crazy year. The team's crazy. He's not that amazing before this year. You can make

the argument that he is won right now. But I think overall, if you look at like the last year and a half, two years, it wouldn't be crazy to say that that that's one. He's averaging 24 and 4 and 4, and he had a slowish start. The team's like, if anything, you could argue that the team's been so amazing

despite DeMitch not being the best version we've ever seen from him. Like, they still have that level to go when his scoring really clicks the way usually does. So I don't think it's not a conversation just because the Cavs are winning lots of games. I think you could still very much pick one of those other two guys, especially Ant, who, you know, started the year off being goddamn Steph Curry. Yeah. Yeah, if you take into account the growth in his game and him at the three-point shooter now, that that means a lot and even even if ain't like isn't you know um you know i'm pulling up my shorts

i'm slapping the floor if he even if he's not that level of defender i still feel like his base let me not it's it's an understanding uh it's a undeniable fact eventually they will fall off uh the pelican should make a trade for jonathan comminga how do you guys feel about that absolutely not why absolutely not There should not be any more assets leaving the New Orleans Pelicans. They should only be gaining assets. They should be trading people away. They should be trading four players or four draft picks that can help them in future years.

Because this year is lost. Okay, here's an interesting one. This sounds like a worst friend trying to get one off on somebody. Facts. From Spot Block, he says Bradley Biel is a top three third option in the NBA. Now, this isn't really a hot take, but I find it interesting. Who do we think are the three best third options? What?

Who are the three best third options? Like Christos Porzengis? J. Edomobobly? Or? Chet, Evan Mowgli, Chris Husserzingeris? Derek White's in those or Drew Holladies in those conversations.

Well, those are fourth and fifth options. The way it was looking, J-Dubb was looking like the third option. Not these days. Not these days. He's not. O. No, he's definitely in those conversations, too. Hmm.

Yeah. It should have been Paul George. He should be the, like... Okay, let's get back to a real hot take. That was just a little point. I just want to see Donovan's reaction. From at Uncle Drew IDK on Twitter, he said, The Clippers are a healthy Kauai away from a finals run.

Kind of interesting. We talked last week. No, no, listen. Listen, a healthy Kauai, let's say that's the same level players last year, which is like 25 points, solid passing, good enough defense, right? we talked about last week that the clifers are low key very interesting their defense is very real and hardin looks pretty good like think about the conference outside of okay c like how they would be a threat if they added kawai back in the lineup they'll be a cute threat they wouldn't be a bad

team whatsoever who's the second best team right now who's the second best team right now in the west it's hard to judge engage right now because injuries and shit but i would say like before Katie went out, it's the Phoenix Suns. Okay, that's fair. So you don't think the clippers with Kauai would be able to compete with the Phoenix Suns in a second round? No. They can compete. No, they can compete. They're going to lose, but they can compete. I don't think this is crazy.

Granted, healthy, like the comment below says, Healthy Kauai is an oxymoron. And I agree. They're not going to get a Healthy Kauai. But if they did, I think this isn't that insane. It's a good hot take. Okay. You can You can have, I don't, I don't think that they would be set up for a, for a finals run for the same reasons that we just talked about Zion. It's like, how many times are you going to go and get fooled into believing something?

How many times are you going to go and get fooled into believing that James Hardin is going to have four straight playoff runs good enough to be, you know, a finals contender or a finals winner? It's not going to happen. Chat, I'm trying to read your guys this, but you guys are giving me a lot of basic shit about like ADMVP and all this like low-hanging fruit. You gotta come more creator for me to pick you. I see at Serbo Fordo in the chat says,

so far Tari Easton deserves to be in the conversation for most improved player, sixth man of the year, and DPOI. You know, I would love that if the NBA value defense as much as like I like watching defense. But they don't. That's never going to happen. When it comes to like most improved player

of the year or whatever, it's literally just a points for game contest. who had the biggest who scored 7, 8, 9 points more compared to the season prior it's not about that oh at the JV scrub

in chat says Paul George signing will be one of the worst in NBA history think about I don't age okay so what are the worst signings NBA history

we had to qualify that first what are the worst Luwold Dang Lewald Malsg but those aren't like as consequential I guess the argument for Paul George

would be if his team doesn't work and if Joelle and Beat's cooked which it's looking like it might be kind of possible that the Joel and Beat area might be over

at least to the extent we've seen a BNP level if that's the case and Paul George is going to be $36 soon making fucking $60 million a year until he's 38 that's a lot of money

for someone who might provide you very little value okay so it might be it might be a bad signing However, I think that saying this implies that it's a bad sign because of Paul George and because of what the situation can become when the situation would be like very heavily impacted because of what Embed is. And so and so because of that I can't, I can't like it's unfair to put this all on Paul George. Like yes, is he declining? Of course. Is he is he the third star, maybe the second star that the six to start he was going to be? No. but it is you guys aren't set up at all maxi maxi got hurt to start the year and bids always hurt

paul george is always her it just it's just a bad and unfortunate you know kind of situation and you didn't give up any any assets to go get to go get paul jrish i would argue that the dame uh acquisition is worse than the paul george acquisition yeah i wasn't trying to imply it's on paul george i guess not really you're not saying paul george stinks when you say his sign might be terrible it's just like the combination of factors will make it so that spending 60 million on paul george is like crippling and it's not because of him it's because you thought you were putting him in the perfect scenario if that scenario is not perfect then that signy makes a lot less sense and you're kind of hamstrung by it yeah and that's fair but yeah i still i'd still think

that the dame acquisition is worse yeah probably i mean listen it's fucking certainly backfired worse at this rate well they've been cooking as of late bro i think they're like four and one and won over this like last week and a half so i hope it maintains for my own my own yonness fandom and wanting to see him succeed i hope it maintains but i'm not i'm not excited dr rivers decided to take it seriously yeah he locked in i i look that that too is so funny all right next next one from you get everybody from uh al of manuel he says after numerous failed experiments with trading for superstars like the nets bucks and pelicans in the last seven years teams will value draft picks like the 1980s

and develop internally from now on well 1980s Magic Johnson was from a pick that was traded because nobody gave a fuck about first round pick so they didn't value draft picks in the 80s so let's not say that but do you guys think it's a good take that teams are not going to want to trade

for stars anymore? No no no yeah there's always going to be a team that's going to like want to act fast and whatnot like we literally just seen the Knicks go ahead and trade for someone like Carr, Anthony Towns, season prior to that, like, the whole game shit.

So I just don't agree with that. I think stars. Yeah, the Pacers treated for Pascal Seaka. Like, and they were just, they were a good team that clearly everybody said, yes, they're good, but they're also just like, you know, track star demons. And they run up, they run up and down, but they are not close to it to a championship. And then they go out and make the move for Pascal. And you can, you can try and build through the.

draft, but if a star becomes available, that's, that's ultimately, you still need guys to win a title. You still need elite talent at the top end of the league. And if one of those guys is available to add to your team, yes, you're going to go out. You're going to make that. I think, I think, yeah, this, this is probably the worst take that I've seen so far today because I think, I don't think you understand, like, who's been winning a champion as a late. You said that so call me.

Yeah. You said, I'm sorry to you, but you're kind of fucking stupid. You look at the team. The only exceptions are, I guess you could say the Boston Celtics, but even then, like, they had to go ahead and get it Derek White. They had to go ahead and get a Drew Holliday. They had to go ahead and get Chris Osterzinius. Before that, like, okay, the Milwaukee Bucks, Chris Middleton was traded for. So was Drew Holiday again.

The Denver Nuggets, fucking, bro. Eric Gordon was not drafted there at all. but Nicole Yokic homegrown Jamal Murray homegrown MPJ homegrown pass but outside that everyone else literally was like moves are made for these guys so this is a terrible take

damn from Hajime Makanochi in the chat I feel like I might have said that right but I'm impressed if I did he said hot take the Hawks hit the reset button and trade away Trey Young for draft capital from the jazz and thunder I mean you feel

Thunder would never want to do this and no no not from them I could three team deal with whatever. But what's your current gauge on this? Because obviously last year we thought eventually Trey on Mike had traded. Then they did the reset after the Jante trade and we saw some light in the tunnel. Okay, they're going to reset around him. He hasn't been amazing this year by any means. He's been as a score below his expectations. Not exactly a roster maximizing him because it's pretty hard to exist with that lacking of perimeter talent around you. What

did you think is a long-term outlook? Do you think they should get rid of him eventually? This is such an interesting conversation because you could, like, cop out and get rid of him. If I'm the GM and I'm trying to put my team in the best position to win and, like, take out all the emotions or whatever, then you probably want to do move off of him because you have all these guys, 21-year-old Dyson, 22, 23-year-old Dylan Johnson, and Trey's, like, 26, going to be 27 next year, still hooping with a bunch of 23-year-olds, dudes who should have, like, graduated college by then. there was like a little gap timeline wise and you have to sit and wonder like damn bro like how much longer is it going to be until this dude requests to trade and he has

one more or two more years left on his contract if I'm a GM I'm thinking like that but also obviously I'm a hawk fan I want them to tuck it out until the fucking ground burns bro well here's the thing Troy Young's amazing he's one of the better

hawks ever be on this roster he's a top five hawk whatever the number is I don't he's not it's not a situation where it's like a Luca where he's like your most talented player you ever had Trey Young is that amazing For a hot today he's worth that in the mud I mean you've had you have some great players

nevertheless like he's a fantastic player but he's not he's not a tier one player that you can't find again you know like do you feel like if you reset it'll take you 10 years until you find a Tray Young caliber start a build around like is he the caliber player that we think is somebody

that is just like the guy you rebuild the find you know is he the guy that you want to build around even if it takes you five years of wasting his prime or could you move him and try to find another you know start to build around in the coming few years i don't even think we can have these conversations yet until we like have our picks back that's when we can start talking about like trading tray and then i'm cool who you find because if you do something like are they not protected now oh no they're unprotected no i forgot they're idiots they gave spurs unprotected picks yeah that's all my trading tray is absolutely nonsense we have to be a more

respectable team. So having trade just gives us some sort of identity. We can coast out these next few years until these 28 or whatever. Because they have this year their pick goes to spurs and then 2026, right? Or it's like the 25 and 27 draft, right? I believe. I'm not 100% sure. Because you can't do back-to-back years. Or is there swaps

in between? I don't even remember, actually. Yeah, it's a whole lot of jumbo. But just know we're cooked for the next, like, at least two years. Yeah, they're fucked, man. Yeah. I see Kade FCW in the chat says, Yokich will retire, top three all time. I've seen this kind of been a discussion on Twitter lately,

not necessarily top three, but like where he's going to be because he's having another insane year or every time ESPN tweets about him, it's more numbers than nobody else has ever done before and we're seeing him to have another crazy carry job that's probably going to result another MVP. What does y'all's current feel? I feel we can talk about this every six months.

What does your current feel on his all-time trajectory right now? Top three is kind of outlandish. Yeah, yeah, we're not talking about top three, really. But, you know, it's a way to get to the conversation. I think he could be top 10 Top 10 is He needs to win another championship Yes

At least one more You can't be top 10 with just one So I think he usually be top 10 He's thinking another MVP might Like solidify it too As top 10 Bare minimum yeah I don't think the

I don't think the MVP's Like To break into Top 10 Like you have to get You have to get another one right and so like he has like seven MVP's and eventually it's just the numbers are crazy i i you you got to get another one that they can't be they can't be the only time

that you go and and get you know the the job done uh because because at that 10 range like you're talking about you know curry Kobe hakeem guys guys like that and i mean he's close if he gets another MVP he can you can put him over i heard so much to say but like say no i'm i won't i won't until it but like you can start moving him above you know some beloved players if he gets another MVP but top top three even top five at this point is a little outlandish here's a good hot take from twitter ahura says if franz wagner is playing like this he needs to be on the same level of palo as far as prospects especially especially with the defense he's playing.

Yeah, if he's playing like this, if he's playing like this, then yeah. Yeah. If he's playing like this, he needs to be an insane conversation. Because like this, I mean, he's averaging 27 points,

six assists and six rebounds with elite defense on a major- That is LeBron James. That is LeBron James. He's playing like German Paul George right now. If he's played like this, the convos are going to be outlandish. So we've got to give us some more time,

but the general sentiment, I mean, Listen, I said this two years ago, and I got a clown. That Palo is better, obviously, and we think Palo is going to be the one option. He's the best player there. But Franz is not some, like, afterthought that needs to be viewed way differently. Like, this is a co-star that they need to split touches. They need to be a one-two punch that are viewed as the two stars, not Paolo and the other guy.

So you think how a lot of people thought about Jalen Brown is like him being better than Tatum or being in, like, the same class of Saddam. It's actually happening in Orlando right now between Franz and Paulo. No, because I don't think, I wouldn't even go that. far, because I would never say Franz is better than Palo. Like, in the way you're saying some idiot, say that about Jalen. But I think the Tatum and Jalen gap is much bigger than the Palo and Franz gap. Like, Tatum is very clearly better than Jalen Brown.

Palo and Franz are neck and neck. Like, it's, if you're tearing out young prospects in the league, they're in the same tier. Palos are the top of that tier and Franz maybe middle or bottom, but they're in the same stratosphere, I think. Yeah, we need to see Franz do it longer. He hasn't had as much of an opportunity because as soon as Paulo hopped into the scene like it's his team day one so we haven't

seen Franz really rock out just like that yet. And so if I'm the Orlando Magic, if I'm Jamal Mosley like you have to find a way to have this version of Franz coexist with Paulo in order for the team to ascend into like contender range might I say.

Yeah, I don't know. I mean, you say we haven't seen it. He had an amazing rookie year where we're like, oh my God, Franz is going to be that guy. And then Palo came that was only one, it was just Franz and O'Pollo And then Palo came in and snatched his team boy from him. And it took a while from him to get used to it because Palo is a player that kind of, the offense becomes Palo's offense. You know, that's style of his play. He's not like a yokech or Luca that lots.

Oh, actually, Lucas's way worse at that. But, you know, he's not someone that is a huge offball player. Like, you play around Palo Bankero. So we saw Promising Franz. Then we saw two years of him trying to adjust to being a second fiddle. And now that it's back to him not being a clear cut second fiddle, holy shit. The reason to believe this is, I think. Okay. Okay. I'm ready to do it because, I mean, I was, I was waiting for the jump. And the fact that, like, when the magic gave, when they gave Franz the contract, like, even I, I think I was just a little, like, worried just a little bit because.

What does he don't deserve this? No, but like the playoff series was so bad. The shooting last year was so bad. There was a little part of me that was like, ah, this feels a little bit premature. But he's showing right now he is 100% worth that deal. You already know Paolo, if he comes back and is the same, that's fine. For this season specifically,

I'm going to be so interested to see how they go back. Because it's not like Paolo has just been like, like Paolo has to readjust himself. into the game as well since he's been hurt for an extended amount of time. It's not like it's one or two weeks. He's been out. He's going to be out for,

for, you know, some time. And so that's going to be really interesting to watch them. People who keep telling. I've seen several comments. We actually met a fan in person at a Bulls game that was saying we've been mean to Franz. What the hell? Who has been, I've done,

have you guys been hating on Franz? Because I feel like I've said nothing. The only mean thing that they could say is like, oh, Donovan's like not giving slap for having like a bad shooting year. That's it. because I know I literally I before the season we were talking about people that we were buying stock in

and I said I was buying stock in France because I thought that the shot was going to be better he's been one of chat what have we said bad about Franz because enough people have said it that clearly we said something I just can't remember what it was now but I know we said that we're disappointed by his shooting season and that it's been such a bad adjustment playing with Palo

compared to what we expected I don't ever feel like I said he's cooked or he's whack or anything Like, I was like, he needs to shoot better. I think you will. I still holding stock. I don't, I feel like, yeah, someone said y'all glaze. I feel like I glaze farons more than I do hating on him. I picked the magic to be, you know, in the top six where like some people were, like, Isaac,

you had picked the Pacers to be over them. I was in on Orlando this year. So, yeah, I'm, I'm kind of shocked. Yeah. And, you know, fans are always going to kind of really cling on anything bad to say about their team. So I'm sure there was one one-off comment where we were like,

eh, whatever, I'm over it. So maybe there was something. Not every, everybody's saying, everybody's saying anything. So Jane in the chat says you were disrespecting him in the predictions video. I was?

Not really. What did we say? You just said him. Yes, be specific. I don't know. Let it be known. I've loved Franz since his rookie year. Maybe my faith waiver.

I don't remember. Someone said, Bulal Kulabali is going to be a top 30 player in the league. It's a good hot take. What do you guys think? Belaw's clearly on the upper trajectory is top 30. That's pretty high. It's hard to be a top 30 player.

Is that too far? Whoa. Well, considering that... He has to have monster defense, a volatile shot creating, which he seemed to do that as well. I think he has a chance to do so. And considering the fact that I took out a mortgage and put it all on Balakul-Labali stock this weekend, yeah, I believe. You need to. I need it.

I'm going to be home. homeless. I understand, but I think that his defense is already so impactful. And listen, you can say whatever you want. The fact that players are starting to develop in Washington is a crazy side. It really is like a really, really good development. And I think as soon as they do the right thing that a tanking team should do and you take one of your most like ready made win-out assets,

and you ship him out of there and everybody else starts to, you know, get touches again, we will start to see Bilau's offensive game, you know, develop, develop a little bit more. And he should be, he should be fine. I think top 30 is, it's okay. Yeah. Chodo in the chat says, Jadab is the top five young player right now. And then his list is Aunt Wembe, Lamello, Paolo, and Jadab. I got some bad news for you.

I mean, listen, I don't, Chet's, chat is still going to be. the better player forever, I think. Is J-Dup top 10? I think probably certainly. If it's under 24, whatever that list is, whatever the age cutoff is, you're not that far off, I don't think. But there's a few more names you've got to put it above them. Yeah, I can agree.

Franz, is Franz anyone above J-Dade-Up? That's a good one. We'll talk about the next episode, because we're going to have an interest. Mobile? Yeah. We'll talk about all those next episode, because the next episode doesn't be very young player-focused. So we'll get back to this conversation for sure. Because I have thoughts about the J-Dub and Franz thing specifically. That's specifically. We'll save.

yeah okay Cameron N on Twitter says that Minnesota Timberwolves will be a playing team the team is good but with how strong the West is and with cat leaving

the team is going to take a dip as other teams start to rise above them so basically do you think the slow start they've had is who they are and they're not going to rise up well let's let's go to the standing so right now

right now right now Minnesota is they're in the 11 seat right now ahead of them okay C Golden State Houston, the Lakers, Memphis, the Clippers, Phoenix, Denver, Dallas, San Antonio. Tough. Okay, so, they'll pass the Spurs.

They're half a game behind them. And, okay, I don't know, because a lot of these teams are going to rise up. So I actually don't. That's tough, man. They're a game. Now, if we just say they're going to be in the plane, yes, they will be there and they can pass San Antonio. But they're a game behind Phoenix, Denver, Dallas, game and a half behind the Clippers, starting to lose ground. Just a little bit behind the Lakers and Memphis.

Like, it's, it's tough, especially playing in the Western Conference. You get in a two, three game hole. You need like two, two and a half solid weeks of basketball. You need to go on like a seven and one street, eight game winning street to get back. Julius Randall has the most insane mood swings. Do you think he can be a solid character in that? at locker room for two weeks. Do you think he will have tension?

We're blaming his character now? What the fuck? Bro, he has. He has crazy on the court. Yeah, I mean, I've been tapped in. Do you not see that play? Listen, I think it happened a week ago where he just, like, was given Rudy Gubber dumbass attitude and, like, swung the ball out of, was just, like, being like, the

vibes are not good there right now, for sure. I think I put that on the other guy's name you said, not necessarily just Julius Randall. Thank you. We're going to be going after anybody's character and anybody being annoying. There's clearly a common, common thread here. But no, I think, I think it's going to be hard. Yes, they can be in the playing. They gotta get something from Dante.

They just have to. Yeah, they should trade him at this point. I think it's nice. It seems like it's not going to be a good fit. And it feels like we're on the path. That's the only way they can get better. Jaden McDaniels hasn't been. They asked for him.

Just to trade him. Now, they probably won't talk. I'm being hyperbolic. I don't know if they should. I mean, there was a, There was actually a rumor saying that he wants to be traded because he doesn't like coming out for the bench. Yeah. And I don't know.

I mean, Julius Randall is hard to trade. They have Gobert. They have Ant. My colony is a good fit. I feel like maybe there's a world up there where if there's a, let me not say that. I don't know who that could possibly be. But packaging Jaden and Dante to get a star isn't impossible to me. I don't know if you can let go at Jada.

McDaniel because he's such a core part of your defense. He has not been that great. And he and that has to have to stick together, Danmer. I think so. Jay and McDaniels has not made the leave that we hoped you would. And I think he's just kind of Jamie Daniels. He's a great, very good player to have on your team. But he's, he got paid with the expectation that he has like, not a star leap ahead of him,

but like one of the best role players in the league leap ahead of him. And I feel like we're still waiting for that. And it's the problem is he can't dribble very well. And it's hard to make a big offensive leap when you have no handle. This is what happens, though, also with a lot of, of, like, defense first guys is that they play, you know, the first two, three years, and they're logged down because they're trying to get a bag. And then after you, like, get solidified, you start opening your bag, you get your contract.

And now your defensive reputation just holds steady for about another five years. Like, Jada McDaniels can play like this for half a decade. And we can get to 2030. And people would be like, oh, no, like, you just need a little bit of a, you just need some defense you need a lockdown defender go get jada mcgames who's you know turning team around it's and it's easy to assume that a long lengthy defender who is locked down can shoot and can finish a little bit has it in him to keep making leaps the ball in his hands because we've seen that path so many times but you have to have a dynamic handle at some point to be able to create off the dribble and that

doesn't always develop and i feel like with him it just hasn't really yeah i think he's pretty much capped at his potential yeah i feel that's something people overlook a lot with like you know With a young player development, people really overlooked the importance of handle. I feel like it's just kind of been assumed that like it's like it's not a talking point for some reason in play development. And it's one of the three most important things for somebody being a star. I got a hot take for y'all. This is my hot take. I give it to it.

Right. Jared McCain's going to be an all star this year. Boom. This year. Yeah. Okay. If you zoom out, it'll be an all star period at some point. I'm with you, I think.

I see the trajectory. I think you're probably right. This year is tough. They're fucking eight three wins. Who's going to vote in the All-Star? Is he giving you the 16th hour in it? What? The folks that TikTok are going to push that propaganda.

If we can get Jeremy McCain on the same program that Andrew Wiggins was on, we can get them in there. I'll fucking bang the drums if we're getting some real conversation going. I've tried to push this over the line, but I don't think we're getting there because they have three wins. Everybody right now, when voting opens, go vote for Jeremy McCain. We're getting Jeremy McCain to the All-Star game. Man, they can't even leave a lot.

like on this goddamn stream, you think they're going to go ahead and, like, go ahead and vote for Jared McCain? I don't think so, bro. We have 700 people in the stream right now. If we had that kind of influence, oh my God, I'd be using it for evil. I would be getting every single Laker into the All-Star game. I would be, I would be harnessing that influence and using it for all the most biased reasons possible. I would be evil with it. When it comes to, like, straight-up, guard for guard and talent for talent, like, how good because chances are right now. So chance for this year is zero.

He's averaging 16 points per game. Two assists or two rebounds. He's a great young player. He's my power of resentment. Shut the fuck up. Zemondon turned into a deep depression. I'm not sitting there in the hotel lobby. That brother's insane.

Do you guys feel like Jared McCain is also our potential? Because it's easy to say yes when a young player is probably going to be a rookie of the year looks amazing. And he's clearly going to be in a, elite role player for a long time very good player like sub all-star clearly going to be a great player do you guys think all-stars in the cards i think it can be in the cards if his shooting is able to maintain to a certain level and degree and his ability to relocate this is just because it's such a fun brand of basketball that we don't get to see that often so yeah i think i think he can

he can get so he can get to he's going to have to be like a second option on a on a playoff team to like consistently be an all-star. And I think like skill-wise, I think he can, yeah, I think he can get there. I think like you said, the biggest thing that I think that we've all seen is the ability for him to move off the ball and relocate and not just be like, oh, I need the ball of my hands right here in this spot and create situations where defenses have to continue to keep an eye on him. So he can get some easy buckets there.

But I'm also, I'm also curious like, what is this going to look like when the other three guys are back. Now, I don't know when, I don't know when they are, when they are going to be back. However, if Maxie and B and Paul George are on the floor, Jeremy Cain is not an offensive priority at that point. And so, at least for this year, I don't think he might, I don't think he gets at that push. I would like to bet on him making an all surly, just because he is so clearly a high IQ basketball player. And he obviously, when you have the shooting and you have just immense IQ, like, I'm going to keep betting on you to make improvements year after year. I honestly, I think he's Desmond Bain.

Okay. Desmond Bain. Yeah, who's not an all-star, but if he was on the right team in the Eastern Conference, he could be. You know, if he was on a team where he was the second option and had that usage, he could average 25, 5-and-5 for a season and be an all-star very, like, he's very capable. If there's expansion and Desmond Bain got his own team, Desmond Bain could be an All-Star. I think that's probably going to be the outcome for Jerry McCain, is that he's not going to be

an every year guy, but he will be one of the best non-all-stars in the league every year, and he'll get in occasionally if he's on the right circumstance. Got it. Okay. Which is low-key, Tyrese Maxie as well. I think they might be very similar caliber of players. Yeah. In different ways,

thankfully. Yeah, yeah. Some people were saying they don't fit each other. I don't know. I feel we haven't seen enough. I can see you. I think I was one of the people coming into the season. I was like, Jared McCain feels eerily similar to Tyre's Maxie, but when it comes to the relocation stuff, that

wasn't allowed for, like, Jared McCain wasn't allowed to pay a solid basketball on a consistent basis over there at Duke. This came out of, like, absolutely know where folks knew that he was like, he had this type of IQ, and obviously he's facing to work with. He'll be a top five pick. If Jerry McCain was 6'6 and had a former inches of vertical,

oh my God, he would be such a star. Microsemba type title. Yeah, literally. Six, six, Steph Curry. That's just lamello ball. Boom. Libreason Donos real quick.

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