The Deep 3 Podcast - Reacting To NBA Finals Game 2, New KD Rumors, & More! | TD3 Live

Episode Date: June 11, 2025

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we are here we are live we are back for another t3 tuesday a very fun one because we have the NBA finals to talk about obviously but also a lot of NBA news which is surprising for this time of the year or I guess maybe not surprising because we're and she is around the corner and it seems like the entire NBA is gearing up for that everyone's kind of you know the media companies are doing the jobs talking about the finals but in the background we got Kevin Durant news going some injury news going some yonest news going, lots of stuff permeating that we're going to talk about

should be a fun stream. It's all the reports that aren't reports but our reports you know what? And for that, I'm not going to lie. This is one of my favorite times

of the year as well. Just straight bullshit. Yeah. Non-reports is the right way to phrase it because these companies like, they get on ESPN and Brian Winhorch

has to pretend that it's not concrete and they're like, there's a lot of talk, a lot of noise around so-and-so because they don't want him reporting and taking away attention. But we know. There's a lot to read

and that he leaves this time of the year for sure. Straight chatting, man. And, you know, let's start with some of this news, and then we'll get to the finals talk later. Appreciate everybody coming through, spamming late as always, even though we're promptly on time. Let's start with, let's start with Kevin Durant rumors before we get to the finals preview or final reaction to game two. That's hilarious. The NBA finals are on and we're like, yeah, let's talk about these trades, man.

Just because I want to make the finals the main thing. So let's get the small stuff out of the way. Let's get the news docs out of the way. So what started this is funnily enough What brought this back into the limelight Bill Simmons Bill Simmons is the one Oh wrong screen

Bill Simmons is the one who brought this back up into life He said Bill Simmons thinks that Kevin Durant Trade to San Antonio Might already be done And both teams are waiting to announce it What the hell is Ben Simmons I said Ben Simmons

Bill Simmons That's his son Really? Yeah his son of name is Ben Ah cool What the fuck does he know still Bill Simmons is actually surprisingly tapped in usually

Like surprisingly tapped in around this type of stuff But lots of smoke around this that some people think the Kevin Durant thing is already done that wait until the finals to announce it would not be shocking. Would you want to see this? You know, we talked a lot lately about Kevin Durant trades since it's almost a fucking guarantee he's going to be traded. Do you guys want to see this person thing happen?

It depends what the package is like. I actually, no, I'm lying. I want to see it happen. How much I like it depends on what the package looks like. But if you have, if you have Deer and Fox, let's just assume like, We traded for Deeran, so we're going to keep him. Everybody else is, like, on the table. So you keep Deeran, you have Wembe, and you put KD in there, which is an upgrade at a

perimeter score over KD, does something that Wembe is still trying to figure out in terms of like go-to score and all that stuff, and you can insert somebody there who can give you that type of offensive versatility, all that. I think that that makes the most sense in terms of a lot of the timelines. that people are talking about with the Spurs, which is like, do you go and, you know, try and get Yannis? Do you think that Dylan Harper is going to fit in? Or do you just get the most easily versatile superstar

and just put them into the system? I'm good with that. Yeah, I agree with you. I want to see this as well. I'm same level feel. As long as, like, Darren Fox is there, because I feel like Darren Fox would make this transition so much easier because over the years, naturally we see Katie prefer not to attack them as much

because it just feels a lot more. more easy. Any shot on the court is easier for him, is easy for him. But Deeran Fox is such a natural fit alongside these two ultimate four spacers. And whether it be the package, whether the package be D, whether be, fuck, I'm having a stutter attack. Dylan Harper, he could go to the farm castle. It can happen as well, bro. Anybody other than Deeran Fox, I'm cool with it. The lady Jane. Yeah. Dylan, Dylan, Dylan, Dylan. Yeah, I think obviously they shouldn't go up number two pick that's like a non-starter if it's honest then it's a conversation but for old ass kevin rann making all that money i think you can do it without the number two pick i've been

seeing a lot of conversation lately that it's probably like the 14 pick vassel and other stuff unless there's another shooter to make the bidding war go up but it doesn't seem like there's going to be that many suitors for kevin around right now so yeah i like it you know it's a mixture of winning now and doing the whole try to win when your stars on the working contract thing you have fox you have kd you have wemby as a real big three that can win today assuming the bench is good enough. But if you keep the number two pick, you also have Castle and presumably Harper in the, in the midst of your whole entire organization so you can kind of play both sides. I like that. There's many stars. I wouldn't like them pursuing, but Kevin Ram makes sense

to me for those reasons. There's only, there's only two stars, honestly, that I would feel okay with them going after. And it would just be KD and Yannis, just because that bench is really, really bad. Like, they don't, they don't have, they don't have a lot of. a depth and every year what's going to happen is or what happens is you see the finals matchup and you see the teams that either get there or win the title and then everybody adjust your entire strategy about like what you just saw yeah right and so the theme out of this entire run and this finals is going to be do you have 10 10 guys that you can play right Indiana goes 10 11 deep okay see does the same thing so if you're going to kind of

of forego that to go get Kevin Durant or to go get a star I guess you have to make sure that they are one of the like legitimately 10 best players in the world KD on any given night can fit into that yonis obviously is like top three in the world that that that's where it makes sense if we're talking about doing this deal for like a devon booker and you're still giving up that type of capital or or I don't know somebody else star X carlety towns whoever whoever maybe it's available it doesn't make sense for that no chat one to 10 how much do you guys I don't see the Spurs here, Kevin Durant, if that were to happen. In the meantime, while you guys are talking about that,

let's go ahead and look at this picture of Bald Wemby, being a monk. Y'all don't understand, man. He's the trends that I'd be setting. Do you guys understand my impact across NBA basketball for me, man? I did it, too, for like a week. This is the goat. I don't know what to tell y'all. This is the goat.

I'm not going to lie. He's going to come in next season, tear his shit up. He, he, he, oh, my God. He went, I didn't. I was going to do a fake. picture on the right that's not real but this left one

he looks like slender man he looks crazy this is Lord Voldemort if this is real that is Lord Voldemort what the hell is on his head you know what you know what it looks like

when somebody's locked in yeah when somebody goes bald whenby bald Wemby who also has found inner zen nah man

this is the ultimate that's top that's it's Yokit Shay that version of Wembe spiritual warfare man he was going through it and he's connected

with the highest version of himself. Shout up to head. Other news on the Kevin Durant space, Zach Lowe said he has a feeling that the clippers would get into it. He did say that. So I think that was more speculation

like it would make sense to the clippers, not necessarily hard reporting. I hadn't considered that. I don't know if I want it, but it would be an interesting wrinkle in the off season. I have no idea how that could even happen in my mind.

Like, how is that possible? Yeah, I'm not sure. It came across like, because I listen to that part today and it did come across as like pure speculation he was doing like you know his top like KD trades with with what's the name Michael Pina and the Clippers that guy mentioned

Detroit got mentioned which I was like I really like that we've been just trying to get a go to score to Detroit for the last two years so I'm like yes I'm down with that the Clipper stuff is is interesting because it is it continues to add on to this like hey we're just trying to be good right now We're just trying to maximize whatever window we have right now.

Until their pickpool, like, resets. That's what honestly they're trying to do right now. And I respect it. Shout out to the JV scrub for saying, just feel like mentioning Big Baby Davis. So it was a good time to mention Big Baby Davis. Isn't he in jail? It's almost the anniversary for that.

I think he, how much more? Is he in? To least free. Free Big Baby Davis. I would love to have one of podcasts, man. No, don't free Big Baby Davis. Why not, man? Shout on health care fraud.

Exactly. Like, I'm sure he has some good words to spread to the youth after he's learned. Earned after his mistakes, man. He didn't hear anybody? Oh, he did was hurt the NBA's pension fund. Exactly, right. That man is a menace. And if he did do something else, I'm not aware of.

Do not free him. Let's put that out there with a caveat. If there is more, do not free him. Keep him there. Shout to I have avocado for tipping $15. Appreciate you coming through like always. Shout out to Shrimp to Ream for $2.34. We appreciate y'all, man.

For old time's sake, Mr. Smoot, hit the duggy. he said if you do the Eagles will win the Super Bowl again do you want me hit the song no I'm not dancing for y'all he made a vow to never dance on stream again exactly I'm not doing that you're depriving yourself of good joy you're gonna have to catch me off guard

and that's all that okay next new story turn it on him I know you feel it I do I do switch a little bit sit still for like two seconds man i listen it would be it would be good for sacramento to have a player of darius's caliber but also y'all got to relax man you guys are doing a lot you guys are

moving around making a lot of moves i don't know if you know what you want to do and that is your problem you haven't been able to sit still for 20 years and now you're in the situation please calm out. This is just so funny because, like, the defining part of their season was trading their stock point guard who was a long-term solution. And obviously, you know, he partially wanted to go. It was a weird situation. He's, like, demand, but not a demand.

It's all in the air and who really was facilitating the breakup. But it's just so funny. The headline is, yeah, they need a point guard, man. They don't understand how they got here. Yeah, you need a point guard. Nice. That means nothing to me. Go have fun with Keon Ellis, man.

Go ahead and lay in a great with me. When they offer Zach Levine and Keon Ellis for Tray Young, what do you say? No, no, I'm taking bow and arrows. I'm showing up to Sacramento, my damn self, bro. Hell no. Keegan Murray. No. And there's nothing on their roster that they could offer me.

They could offer me the entire roster for Troy Young. I'm saying no. For what? DeMontasabonis, Keegan Murray, and two first-on-picks. Honestly. First-on-picks, they talk to me a little bit. They move me a little bit, but I don't want to have that combo. Yeah, that was just funny, but I bring that up because it,

We've got to talk about the fact that, you know, Darius Garland was one of those names they were linked to that was potentially there. And there's been a lot of buzz in the air that I don't even know if it's really buzzed in terms of reporting, but it's like theorizing that maybe Darius Garland will get traded. Two straight playoff runs where he's not available, isn't giving them the vital playmaking they need for this offense to work because of injury and so forth. So everybody's theorizing Darius Garland for Jalen Suggs, Darius Garland for Herb Jones, Trey Murphy, and so-and-so. That's been in the air a lot. We got news relating to that, because Shams reported that Darius Garland will underwent surgery to repair a great toe injury and will be sidelined approximately four to five months.

So this was a serious-ass injury he was dealing with the playoffs. That is a long timeline to come back. And, you know, he was talked about, like, he's just bitch-made and can't play. And he's, you know, Stephen A. Smith was like, you better go out there and play. Try to win for your team. All this dumb bullshit. When clearly this was a very serious injury. In his defense, he did try.

He did. He did do the thing that. everybody wanted him to do he just couldn't go right and it just it looked it looked bad and you've seen like honestly this postseason i feel i do feel like we saw that a little bit more and maybe we were just more like we just knew about it more between like garland and mowbly playing through injury michael porter junior playing through that whole that whole thing erin gordon you know risking his hamstring falling off the bone to to play in game seven i feel like we heard a lot more about players fighting through injury this sucks though yeah this is ridiculous yeah right

now i see this and obviously we knew there's minutes we're watching just right upstairs in the living room like yeah he is not good at all and obviously we said earlier in one of the streams a couple weeks ago that players of his size don't have a lot of room for what are they what are players of his size um toe toto-tappers toe dependent oh toe dependent he'd be toe tapping all over the place because the nature of his game he's like easily the shiftyest player in the league and i would have that argument with anybody any day of the week so to see this happen is so damning for the clean cavalier's future it's not damn because it's like okay it's just your it's just a couple toes you'll get over and i'm assuming but it's a couple toes but bro like i won't see you fully healthy until like

november i'm assuming you're going to miss out on an entire offseason of training where you can get better at certain skills and whatnot like that sucks long term for this team and And for the Cavs, again, I'm not, like, I'm not writing them off at all. But it is one of those scenes that you have to absolutely note through this entire Donovan Mitchell and Darius Garland and Evamovic experience. Yeah. I kind of hope this makes them less likely to trade him because I understand. So from all the actual reporting we've gotten is that they're open to anything, right? Which you should be.

They should be open to getting better, however they can. But I hope that they don't actually think trading Darrys Garland is, like, the biggest thing they need. Like, I feel like that would be a harsh overreaction. They just shipped him out for, let's say, that theorized Jalen Suggs deal. If it was like Jalen Suggs and young player X to throw interest into Silva because Darius Garland's an All-Star, that would be a harsh overreaction to me. My takeaway from the team is not they need less playmaking and more guard defense. Yeah. I'm at the point with them where, hey, man, I want to see it again.

I want to keep running this back so often teams like have two years of results and then boom, team gets blown up. I want to see this team go through the fire and actually see it because once again we have not seen start to finish this Cleveland Cavaliers go through a season together. I want to see it with Darius Garland with Donovan Mitchell.

Evan Mobley, another year with the leap. Honestly, this could be good for Evan Mobley, especially at the start of the year. Very sure. Where it's like, DeMitch is going to run the offense. He's going to handle more of the playmaking. Evan Mobley, this is your time to get your back off. This is your time for your offensive growth.

to show even more. And for a guy who just won DPOY, Evan Mobley turning into, like, that level of guy is one of, it's one of the reasons why the Cavs are so good this year. It's probably going to be one of the reasons why they are an elite team next year. If it does happen, if you get like another leap,

I want to see that and I need to see that from them. Yeah, I think if they're going to, obviously, I agree, they should run it back. I don't think you should let misfortune make you blow up your team when there's 82 games, you being fucking dominant when you're healthy, obviously. And I do think Evan Mobley is going to have to be their best player at some point.

Maybe as soon as next year, if you want to make a real leap and beat the thunder, Evan Mobley is, we think, a future top 15 player in the league, you're going to want to empower

him to be that and Donald Mitchell not be your only quote-unquote superstar. If that's my long-term vision, I have a power forward slash center

that can create off the dribble but is a really good play finisher, pick and roll partner. I do not want to trade the point guard he has excellent chemistry with.

That is not how I want to empower him long-term removing the only high-level passer on the roster really. I do not want to get that guy and ship him across the country. Yeah, I agree.

All eyes are on Evan moving next year and seeing the level of growth that he's able to make. And also, I'm expecting a very, very strong Donald Mitchell year next year as well because he's clear, I don't say he dropped off, obviously not,

but when it comes to the level of stardom that we felt with him, it's just not the same. It doesn't hit the same as compared to it did a couple of years ago. I'm not, how do I phrase this? I'm not out on Donovan Mitchell. Yeah.

I'm a little bit worried about the idea of Donovan Mitchell not being quite as, not worse than we think but different than what we think he co-hosted a lot this year that's what we phrase we used

because he got off ball more empowered the other guys than that was high of his usage so his stats were lower and we assumed he'll just do better in the playoffs and he'll just turn it on when we've seen him rise before I did not like what I saw

play style wise when he rised in this playoffs and he became more assertive it felt like the offense has changed and became O'Killam Donovan basketball and it took him out of a lot of what worked part of that was necessitated by Darius Garlandum not being 100% but part of it I think was

Donovan Mitchell kind of reverting to bad habits and not necessarily flowing with the way they played. So I say it to say, I don't really want to see that and then say, Donovan, you're the only guard creator on this team. I desperately want Darius Galen to be a big part of this offense after what I saw the playoffs. But there was a point in time, I believe, it may have been like a year and a half or two years ago

where we saw Donovan Mitchell look really nice, I think, towards the end of the season of the stretch. It was when Darius Garland and Evan Mubley were both out, and it was him and Jared Allen, where Don Mitchell was essentially playing point guard. He looked really good in that stretch. So I agree. That's why I've always had a vision of him being like, not a point guard, but more of a ball handling.

I really liked it. But, man, it did not look pretty in these playoffs. Like, it got overlooked because there was a couple of huge games where he scored really well. And, like, the narrative is like, everybody failed. But Donovan, I feel like his play style was, like, part of that. And I agree, you're right. We've seen times where he does better at that. So I'm not to say, that's why I said I'm not out on Donovan Mitchell, but I very much want

Darius God and claiming to be a core part of this team. Yeah, man, it's just, it's so tough for, for Cleveland and, and this whole, this whole situation, I, I honestly am, and depending on how, how long Garland is out, even if he misses just like two to three weeks, I, I think the point that you're reaching with DeMitch, I'm kind of getting there with Garland, we're like, obviously, I really, really like Garland, really kind of nervous because the health is, yeah, is one thing. And we've seen, at least for back to back years, coming back and not being in basketball shape, it takes a while to get into condition, especially for him. And so if he misses like that first part of the season and they either like are rolling and now Garland is trying to get himself acclimated to the way that the team is going, this is a, like you said, whole offseason that he's going to miss rehabbing this toe. you are like what what level of garland are we going to get next year that kind of that kind of worries me on a like in a vacuum on a darius garland thing i still think that the calves are going to be good because i do think the damage is stepping up i do think that we're going to get some level of improvement for mobility but we were saying i said the moment you get to march put garland into bubble wrap i don't even feel like you can and again depending on how it lingers or whatever i don't even know if you can do you can do it do that because how much rhythm is he going to be able to have throughout the year getting you know in and out of this stuff so i'm i'm very very nervous about the the year that garland is about to have yeah all right we'll see what happens with that obviously it's going to be a big

summer for the cabs might make some moves including garland potentially we will see that'll be a big talking point as we get into our off-season content in the coming weeks another another huge what are you laughing at other comments yeah somebody somebody says like where's your fan I was like, looked up and I was like, all right, I mean he said to have tuck his shorts? No, because they look, they look kind of high and I was like, listen, bro, like, I'm just, they just look high.

I was like, all right. Pray how much, we see you. He saw the comment. He took a dark. I mean, I'm just, I see the fit and look at dog, and you asked me why, like, whenever we walked in, Mo was like, oh, you weren't shorts. Like, I've never seen you.

This is why, like, because I'm always just like, just doing this. I, listen, I got, I got dressed and I was like, man, you know, it's like 80 degrees outside. I'm gonna put these colors on, you know? What's that SpongeBob fit? Yeah, I just wanted to put

colors on today. Keep in mind, one person said, what's up with your fit? And he's like, fuck. No, because Mo and I saw it at the same time. I saw it like five minutes ago. He kept doing, he just touched the same time. Oh, man, that's hilarious.

That's hilarious. That's hilarious. Don, don't be embarrassed. You put it on. Shout out to definitely not Dan for tipping $3.3 and $3. He said, Isaac, what center would you most want to see to go to the Lakers?

Personally, I think Steve Adams would fix the majority of their problems. Not Stephen Adams. I'm not what like Stephen Adams. It's like the backup. But they need someone more athletic, I think. They need, obviously, a lopter for Luca.

So Nick Clackson type, someone like that. I got you one Clickapella. Get used to it. You know, I think there's a very good chance if we start next year at Klincapella's a starting center of the Lakers. He's not coming back to the horse.

I think it, honestly, I think it's almost a guarantee he's on the Lakers. I won't be shocked if he's a starter as like the worst case scenario. And I think with the way the center market looks, there's a good chance that worst case scenario is exactly what happens. Best case scenario for you would be Claxton? A barring, like, unforeseen name. We don't know what's available. Best case scenario could be like, you know, Walker Kessler's actually probably the best case scenario. That's actually possible.

But yeah, second realistic best case scenario, I think, is probably Nick Claxton. I wouldn't be mad at Clickapel is a six-man, though. well six man's a weird verb I know what you mean back in the center but next story we got to talk about Brian Winhorst said

right now there is no Janus trade market there is no yonest trade discussion he has not asked for it and the bucks are not looking to trade him which we know that to be the case

there's been some reporting from some sources that are close to the bucks that some people were saying he's not going to request trade after all you know you might pick loyalty and then there was a quote

I don't have a pulled up but there's something he said I'll find it earlier today I think it was on an Instagram post he said yes He's excited to win in Milwaukee. Now, I don't think that was, like, him for sure saying that.

I think he was just, like, you know, talking. But, oh, here it is. Yep, there's Instagram. So how do we want to decipher this? This is the quote. I'm rooting for good basketball. The finals are different. I hope to be back soon with the bucks.

Now, keep in mind, Janus is very online. Do you think he said this for a reason to say he's not leaving? To me personally, yes. Then there's this other thing that he posted. I saw it on Twitter like an hour or two hours ago, but he posted this on Instagram. Oh, yes. Yeah. he posted a picture on

Instagram showing the actual Milwaukee Bucks jersey. Where is he? Is that in Brazil? Is that in front the San Paulo thing? Yeah, I believe so. I believe so. And this captain, choosing gratitude always just hanging up, banging up his flag, banging up his jersey. And I'm like, oh, I guess he's staying, bro. Yeah, I guess.

Banging a jersey. Yeah. Big Bucks, I just, you'd never see that. You'd never see any player just go next to a fucking memorial statue. And that statue, that religious this fucking hugely important statue of the world. I'm just like, all right, bro.

Big bucks, bitch. You hanged with Wisconsin, okay. That means more to me than this statement. But also, you know, the NBA's filled with liars. Like, I've seen people lied in front of children's faces

before. I don't believe, like, unless, until we start the season and Janus is like in a buck's uniform i doubt that that um or not doubt but i don't believe anything of like he's definitely staying he's not getting traded because some team can come out of nowhere and just give the bucks a crazy offer that they can't refuse and then boom he's he's gone like i i think it's definitely also the draft has to happen the finals aren't over like we're so early into all of

this i don't believe anything yeah right now we're just read the tea leaves because like this is a unique scenario where everything on paper logically, I think even Bucks fans understand, he should leave. Like, all things been equal. If you want to win, you should be out of there. But it seems he likes this place. Obviously, he loves the city and wants to be a franchise legend. So it really just comes down to, is he going to have not just like the gall to leave,

but like the desire? Like, does he care about winning more than being a Bucks legend? So this is the fun where I actually do want to read into all that he leaves because he is terminally online. I think we've learned that about him. So I don't think this means nothing. He's been online more than ever, especially this off season, which is shocking. I mean, he's had time.

He's had time a few years in a row. Yeah. Listen, being out of the playoffs in the first round three years in a row, you start to get antsy. You start to get bored. Like, yeah, you're going to go on Twitter and do all that stuff. I just think that he also might do the thing where you start the season in Milwaukee and you see it goes trash. And it's like, let me let me just try. one more time for the city

and then you come out and you guys suck and then we get to February and Janice is like yeah it's cooked it's over trade request comes at the trade deadline and then he gets moved there

like that that's also a possibility that I'm entertaining in my head that's probably the most likely thing or I think it also might be a Dame scenario where Dame was in a similar situation

a couple years ago the team did not make sense there was no logical reason this day so he gave him the summer and said blow my mind convince me the summer went by obviously they did not blow his mind because it was not feasible

Jeremy Grant what's up what's good Obviously, they could not blow his mind because there was no feasible way to make the team a contender. I kind of feel like he might see a similar thing where he's going to be like, listen, I want to stay, convince me. And they're going to go out there and they're going to sign Gary Trent back. They're going to sign KPJ back. And they're going to replace Brooke Lopez with Klingekepella. Oh, my God.

Hey, look, we're athletic now. Come join us. And then he's going to be like, yeah, I'm good, actually. Send me away. That might be more likely. Regardless of what happens, I'm so ready to see on this average, like, 35. and 13 next year, it's going to happen, and I'm going to love it. It does that every year.

On the same note, Brooke Lopez is apparently going to leave the bucks per HP basketball. So, for whatever that's worth, at day my house, I have to replace their long-time stretch five, which is a vital part of Yonis basketball. Stretch five is don't fucking grow on trees, so I don't know where you're going to find another one, but apparently he's not expected to be here next year, which factors into the somewhat. Makes sense. I mean, it's been, we've known, right? Brooke Lopez thank you for your service right careers is that like he's not 25 anymore

and so it hasn't been looking great and so yeah it just it makes sense yeah it's time it's time to talk about yeah all right well that's all the news stories I want to talk about it is now time for us to talk about the NBA finals the main part of this episode we got past the bullshit let's talk about game two of the finals in this game obviously us i it's been a couple days now. O KC Juan, 123 to 107. We saw a bounce back

after they fold a game one in hilarious fashion, a game in which they led for 99.7% of the game. I think honestly more than probably 99.9.9% the game actually. They held the lead.

They lost because Tyreys fucking Halliburton hit a crazy game winner. Another amazing moment in what's been a legendary playoff run for Tyrese. Game two came around. I think we saw most of what

we saw in game one, but now the OKC Thunder hit their shots. Shayla's a little bit sharper and they retained that lead in Juan pretty much wire-to-wire. What are y'all's main takeaways now

after two games? It's still OKC in five. In five? It's still OKC in five. I was not worried about what I saw in game one in terms of series outlook because, like you said, they dominated the whole game. And everything that I thought was going to happen,

which was OKC's defensive pressure was going to mess up Indiana. And they did that. They did that in game one. They were able to do the same thing and really apply pressure in game two. And I feel like Shea was so much more in control in game two. And you saw, you saw Shea as a score, as a playmaker, getting everybody into the right positions and really bending the defense into into spots where they can, they can thrive off of.

And so if you're going to have the floor of OKC's defense, you're going to get an efficient Shea Knight. Hey, man, it is what it is. You got it. Yeah, dude, Shay looked so good to your point. Like, game one, I think, obviously he didn't have his best shot-making game. It wasn't terrible,

but especially in the fourth quarter, he missed some shots that would have made a big difference when they blew that lead. The Pacers did with the same thing they did to Janus, where they said, okay, you have this one superstar

score, we're going to let him go one-on-one. You're going to have to beat our defenders. They're talented. We're going to make it tough, but we're not going to help off your shooters. You're going to have to beat us yourself, and I think that's a big reason why they shot so poorly in game one.

They just didn't get as many open looks. game two she made a point in the first half to play make he was head up looking around not even looking for a shot in a lot of these drives and he was diming them up it was not i wasn't to say one of the better she games of this playoff passing wise but we've seen this a lot we've seen games especially after a loss this happened a couple times just the nuggets where it seems like he does a very good job in film study and knowing that i didn't pass well when he comes out with that being a key point in his head you can almost see it's like he's there looking down trying to get to a shot or looking up trying to pass it's a very like one or the other thing with shea which is probably like, you know, that's why he's not the best player in the NBA. He kind of has two modes. This was definitely playmaking mode, and it was honestly a passing masterclass. Yes, I agree with both of you. First and foremost, my outlook doesn't change. Although I adjusted my expectations.

I said, OK, C, instead of five, I'm going to give Indiana another game. I said six. And also, I agree with you. I think Shea looks so much better playmaking-wise. I think he, like you said, he probably watched and did his normal job, film study. I realized, like, I kind of was forcing it a lot of. other bit and just X his teammates out and really didn't give them an opportunity to have any rhythm. Overall, for the series, again, I feel really good about O KC. I like that they lean

towards Hartner. What did you read? Donovan looks like an upside-down turn-up. They've been saying that for a minute. I can't imagine that right now. No, it's, yeah, ha-ha-ha-ha. It's, yeah, game two, game two was, was, was, good and the one thing that i think okay c or uh the indiana honestly is really able to bank on at this point is just the fact that jdub has not looked super comfortable offensively and like that was something that obviously worked to indiana's favor in game one because you got bad jada a bad jadub game and a bad check game and then in game two chet played much better what's that you that's a turn it can't really see it on camera yeah they can't really see it on camera but

God damn that kind of does look like you That is me Retro Bowl for Life said I'm genuinely convinced The only reason I want the Pacers to win is because of how bad Isaac glazed the thunder

I got some bad news for you The only thing That's super interesting That I saw After Game 2 on Sunday Was that Wow bro

Like okay C's They're forcing Turnovers But they're not really doing Much of anything with Which I feel so like anti-OKC and also anti-patients

because normally they don't they're not as conducive to these many turnovers I think in game two OKC once they created I think they created like 14-15 turnovers they scored off for like

a total of four points from those That was in game one? Two. Oh game two yeah yeah yeah the Indiana you're talking about the Thunder yeah the Indiana transition defense has been really good

that's been their best honestly facet of both sides of the ball their transition defense has been amazing and that was an interesting point because in game one we reacted that game right after it ended so we didn't have time

to think through every single element of it but one of the prevailing things is like they got out rebounded 67 to 54 and then you look at it that's entirely because OKC just missed more shots

those were all defensive rebounds to me that's like an irrelevant difference it was 10 to 13 on the offensive boards which did favor Indiana a little bit but that's a pretty small margin and I say that because these are two teams that both of them are going to completely

sell out on getting back and stopping you're in transition it's two great transition defenses you're not going to see a lot of fast break effectiveness on either side so i think you'll just you'll see very little offensive rebounds and very little fast break points because both teams are determined to just make sure those things aren't losing factors facts but i don't this this series it feels like it feels like the 23 nuggets heat where i can respect everything that miami did in 23 and how hard they they worked and throughout that entire run you look at games you're like yo how did you guys win this game how are you guys

up in this series and it's the same thing for the Pacers now power friendship can only take you so far and I know that this feels different because even in this game okay C's up by 20 we're in the fourth quarter nine minutes left and I'm like uh oh like something something's crazy about to happen it always does feel

like it's looming and Indiana is capable of doing stuff like that but I think everybody knows that OKC is the better team and that they have more strength and more answers and more counters. And so that's why if you guys are like, oh, you got the glazing the thunder, we're just talking about everything that we've seen all year. Like they are the better team. They should be the favorites.

And so when we talk about, is Indiana going to be able to do this, they're going to either have to play a perfect game from start to finish and not go down 15, not go down 20, or you're going to have to have wild comebacks like you did in game one and have once again some historic stuff happen. And I just don't think that historical games are going to happen three more times out of the next five games. Yeah, I don't think it's power of friendship per se. Like the heat was power friendship. They were getting that shit out of the mud and they did not show like that skill set over a long period of time. But I do think while the Pacers, I think they are real. Like they do have insane shooting talent that has worked. They have a lead playmaker that is really good at setting up

shots and getting everybody shots within the flow. They have secondary playmakers that are really good at getting downhill and making their offense unpredictable. Miles Turner is really good at attacking most fives in a pick-and-pop scenario. Everything's clicking in that regard. They have good defenders. I think it's all real, not power of friendship. But I also think OKC has the exact answer for essentially all of those problems.

Everything the patients do well, OKC has an answer for, like you said. So both things are true. The patients aren't frauds. It's not just power of friendship, but they also are severely outmatched. Everyone's talking about now, this isn't anything new. is just now Tyrese Halliborne is the center of this. Every time someone does poorly against OKC or really in the playoffs, anytime a superstar loses a game,

all you see on Twitter that night is everybody relitigating their superstar status, whether or not they deserve it, whether or not they were gassed up two days ago and now they're overrated. It's a flip-flop depending on whatever your most recent game outcome was. Tyrese Halliburton is a newest member of that he did not have a good game one or two despite the late game shot. He, for three quarters, was kind of a ghost, and then got locked down in this second game.

This is what happens when you face the Thunder. This is a type of defense. just no coincidence they gave Nicole Yokic the worst two games was playoff career they had aunt in hell he had like a sub 50% true shooting for the series and now they have Tyrese halliburton in hell they put superstars in hell that is what it is that's why someone keeps asking in the chat jake daily is this a seven game series no i doubt it i do not believe it will be it could be but i don't think so because okayc is uniquely talented at eliminating your star player yeah i can agree with that for sure one thing i will say is going back to the my meet and

like it's thing i don't know if the disparity is that massive compared to in terms of like level of talent the level of competition of the finals that we're seeing i think india is sizably better than what you may be given them credit for when it comes to seeing that parallel yeah but neither to say i still think they're going to get the brakes beat off beat out of me regardless yeah well indiana is sizably better than miami but i think okay see it's sizeably better than denver too that that that too and yes it's The reason why I'm going to give,

and I'm using power friendship as a very like general term for just like wild stuff happening. Yeah, yeah. But like they are down in all of these crazy comebacks, they're comebacks for a reason. They're down 10 points with like nine minutes to go. And in 99% of every other NBA game in any, whether it's like the Pissons versus the Wizards

or the Thunder versus the Celtics, in any other NBA simulation where this happens, the team that is up by 10 with 45 seconds, to go is going to win that game probably by double digits right and so we're getting to the end of these games and Indiana has been outscored by 10 they're losing these games by 10 points and then all of a sudden boom something wild happens and then they get back into it that's where I'm saying the craziness and the unpredictability for for Indiana is the thing that like shines out among I don't think it's just craziness though like it is just it's you can I think we can boil it down to

their amazing shooting is what it is and there's obviously very very in both ways shooting-wise you get super cold and teams like this get super hot so that leads to more what seems like crazy runs when you do it four times it is but when you do it four times you're just really good at shooting no it's all it's all like craziness and wild stuff happens for depending on how long it lasts I can't tell you if it's going to happen for a game or a whole season that just may be who you are like we can get to next year and the patients might be bad in clutch situations who knows but for this specific season they are one of the most craziest clutch teams of all time. Neesmith going crazy against the

Nixon game one. That is absolutely You see what's back to? No. No, but that's crazy. That's crazy. The the calves being at home up eight with 30-something seconds left and all of those things spiral in terms of

everything going Indiana's way to where they get a shot at the end and Tyrese knocked it down. Like that type of stuff is where it's like wild that we're here and so that's why I still feel very good about OKCN5. You know, I agree. Both are true, though. Like, you fool me one time. Okay, you're crazy. Devil magic. You do every single series. You're uniquely talented at staying in games and you're an amazing shooting team. And amazing shooting teams get really hot. And all it takes is, you know, it's improbable to do these things. It's not impossible. And yes, it's crazy that has happened this many times. But they clearly have the skill set that put themselves in the position to do this. I think that is real. I think they do come back for a reason, despite it actually still being crazy. They're more prone to having crazy

shit happen when they're this good at these skills. Yeah, shout out to them. I'm just not going to say like, oh yeah, this is because you guys are like, some level of craziness and like divine intervention and devil magic has to happen. And they were talking about it earlier. Listen, we talked about Garland, be it out.

They were saying Derris Garland is from Gary Indy. He is. It's another part of the curse. It's another part of the devil magic and the sacrifices that the patients have given. And, you know, that's why they're here. I will say, I do so think, okay, C and six, I won't be, if they go seven, that's like in the cards. Like, the Pacers can get devil magic, which is crazy shooting.

They clearly have it in them. They can't say they can't. They clearly have it in them. For seven, no, no. They can't go seven. All that case is doing this, they have one winner already. All the cases are two more. Like, that's not out of the round possibility.

They are down, they've been down 20 in both, in both of these games. One of the most interesting things that after game two, Shea was on sports center with SVP. and SVP was, he was asking him about, you know, like coming out with desperation or whatever. And she was like, yeah, like, you know, it's hard to muscle that up when it's not organic, which is, I think, very interesting because we hear athletes all the time talk about, like, you know, creating demons and fighting, whatever. The fact that in game one, you were able to get that game from Indiana, and it's the same thing that happened against Denver, it's what you said earlier, fool me once.

right shame shame i'll i'm not saying it's happened to them twice and so you had the same exact as your reason george bruce i know but it's happened to them again it's it's happened to them twice now and so whatever type of lock-in that they need it is organic and they have felt it especially in the series i don't think there's going to be another let-up for them oh i would say to where it would happen have you seen shay's averages in game threes no haven't uh 20 20 points on like 49% true shooting they say we're doing like every game by series he comes out average is 28 game two it's 32 game three that's 20 every series he's had a terrible game three so far and you keep on saying that like it's not going to be possible for indiana to persist the seven

i guarantee you something like that's going to happen jada was going to be like wait a minute if you're 18 i got something for him and the guys like alask russo's going to have a rough shooting game there's not going to have any more errors for margin for real you know yeah errs for margin But yeah, I do still maintain the OKC's going to win But if I think OKC in 6 was my original guess And the Patriots win game 1 Which obviously gets home court advantage I can't be shocked by that logic

If they push it to 7, it's in the cars I still think if it goes to 7 I'm picking the thunder every time So I'm not wavering on belief But I do have respect for the Pacers That they could make this a surprising series Now it will be a fake 7 games In which I'm never worried

It won't be like a real These teams are tough evenly matched but the patients have that unique skills that they can make some crazy shit happen They already earned their respect out of me from stealing game one man Like initially I was so I'm not like disrespectful or turned off

By the idea of them pushing it to six But seeing how they Were able to replicate the same devil magic Against the Bucks When it came I think it was game four or five Or something like that I'm not sure Happening the Bucks that happened against the Nakes Of course it happened against the Caz

And seeing it happen again I just can't put a real ceiling on this scene anymore when it comes to how they're able to match a level of competition. Jake Daly said, Isaac, is SGA a lock for the Hall of Fame if you wins the finals here? He's already locked for the Hall of Fame. He's going to be an MVP. As long as you have the requisite amount of prime years, they're going to be in the Hall of Fame. Yeah, I think he just, he has just the right amount of prime years.

His lack could completely fall off next season, and people are going to be like, man, those three years of peak prime SGA special. Yeah, he has three first small NBAs. Three first female NBAs and MVP in a finals trip at the least, probably a finals win. He's in the Hall of Fame. You got guys with two all-MBAs that are going to be in the Hall of Fame. Okay, I got to acknowledge you guys are spamming it. Donovan, they're saying they want you to say some Spanish. You are Donna the Explorer.

They've been saying it for 10 minutes. I'm trying to ignore it. They want to see some Spanish. Donovan, oh, you got that in your bag. Backpack, backpack. Chriset me in Spanish, please. Huh? Perset me in Spanish.

Back, pack, back, back, pack. What? Curse at me in Spanish. No. Why not? He doesn't even want to curse in English in the show. Yeah. You know his mom watches.

My parents do watch all the time. That's true. That's one of the major reasons why I don't. Your parents have heard me say some heinous things. They've heard me say some heinous sound effects. But no, I mean, they are like, you guys may say, like, yes, we're going to, like, I'm going to respect the devil magic and everything like that. I've seen it. I've seen it plenty of times whether, like, and I, I don't.

I referenced the Nuggets Heat. Yes, the Heat didn't win game one, but that series was 1-1, and then you saw the Nuggets just be better. You've seen teams, not Devil Magic, but like the Thunder against the Heat in 2012. They go, they get game one, get beat for the next four games. Sixers, Lakers, in 01, Iverson comes out, does crazy Allen Iverson stuff, and then they just get ramrooted for the next four games. We've seen this plenty of times where it's really hard to sweep.

anybody doing it getting a sweep in the finals is insanely hard so again shout out to to the to the pacers if you if we flipped this and said the thunder win game one and then the pacer's steel game two and no matter what like we're going back to indiana one one that was something that i probably could have been like i'm shocked but okay we're here now i just think okay c is that much better yeah one thing i didn't say on after the game one recap that i thought i just didn't want to sound like i was coping is, I think a big part of YOKC lost game one is Rust. We saw this at the start of, was it the second round? I think that was the first Nuggets game.

Yeah, they had a sweep in the first round. So they had a big gap where they had, I think, like, eight, nine days off after being the Grizzlies before they played the Nuggets who went to game seven with the Clippers. They looked motherfucking rusty. I think that was part of it today. They looked in game one, I should say, they looked motherfucking rusty again. I think I might just be part of it.

You know, you mentioned Shay said it's hard to have that motivation when your back's not against the wall. I think they need that. and I think they need to be in rhythm. I think we've seen that from them as a team. That was part of it. So I say that to say more reason to think, yeah, they're probably going to dominate the rest of these games.

I disagree on that, though. I don't necessarily, I do think that. I'm sad. I'm just noticing a pattern. We've seen it happen before. The shot making it was really bad after having a lot of time off. It's not surprising to me.

If you want to say... That's what happened to Lakers 2 in 2001. They were rusty as fuck. They had 14 days off in that series. It's... Okay, I'm glad you didn't say that because if you did say that after game, what I also would have called it called it.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, because it's like, you're up 15 with eight minutes to go. Like, clearly, whatever, whatever Russ, you were able to overcome it to be able to have this lead. And that's more, like, if you say it's like Russ mentally of having like some like killer instinct, like is that what you're saying? I'm saying they didn't play basketball for a long time and they didn't look sharp. The first day they came back from not playing basketball for a long time. That's not uncommon. It happens all the time between playoff series.

Like some teams respond to that differently and it seems to be like they're ones that need to be in a rhythm. It's always a matter of rhythm versus rest on which side you go on. they're a young team those are motherfuckers don't need rest it feels like they need rhythm it's happened a couple times now okay yeah I just I just think like when you're when you're up 15 when you're in these positions where you clearly have like a strong stranglehold on that game sure but they're 20 in game too when they weren't rusty they never you know then game one they never secured that league because they're

shot making really bad shot making is on the main things you see that rust come in in these games you think rust kicks in like in the third quarter all game though they weren't making shots they were they were up big because the pacer's were getting fucking put in Alcatraz So that's the only reason they were up Their offense was bad the whole entire game The Pacers just like figured it out in the second half And played their basketball and came back

But the OKC offense was assall game And in this game they shot pretty goddamn well from three So again, I don't know I mean you can shoot poorly regardless of the time of the series I just think we've seen twice now Where they had long off days And we got terrible Jdub games in both those games And terrible three-point shooting games

In both those games Seems like a pattern Are you worried about J-Dub in the series? He's starting to worry me a lot actually I'm happy that you said that. Seeing him play better, of course, not as much better, not to the level of the standards that we now hold him to as a...

Is he All-N-B-A now? Yeah, he made it. Yeah, I think he's all-N-B-13. Like, what he did offensively, again, like when it comes to just... I love the defense. I love the playmaking, you know? I love how he's able to use his will,

be enthusiastic with some rebounds and all that he does. But one of the most important things that this team, again, is we all know is deprived of, is shot making at the end of the day that he can do he can be the best defender best rebounder best playmaker but at the end of day if you can't put the ball in the bucket for in the bucket for this team specifically your value is hard to really evaluate for this team I'm not going to go that far like making like long-term judgment values but I do think the pace is defending it well like

I said they're not helping off a she as much on these drives they're making these guys attack one-on-one more often and I think Aaron needs to Smith is doing a fantastic job of disrupting J-Dub's dribble specifically, and the other guys too. I'm sure Nemhart is switching on him doing the same thing. There was one play in the, I think, second quarter of last game, whenever, or maybe it was the first quarter. The Thunder came out looking real nervy in that first quarter.

They were throwing the ball around, getting some bad turnovers. It was a close game for a little bit. And I think J-Dub's handle was getting really, really exposed on some Miami Heat versus Jalen Brown shit from a few years ago. I think the pastes are just really good exposing that, and that's always going to be a weakness for him. And this team is, like, really suited to expose that. So if you want to say, you.

your concern that's that's always a weakness for him sure but i honestly give the paces more credit for that than anything yeah gotta get the paces more credit for that bro and everybody else they take more credit to you guys not you those two teams both did the same thing did a great job it so yeah yeah half the teams they play are having to be good at that but yeah that will always be a way to combat them but you know give and take because if you're going to do that and you're going to focus on jadub and not help off at him and make him attack that means one less helper for shay and I think we saw in this game and against the Timberwolves

you cannot defend Shea one-on-one like this he's going to dice you up that's why they won this game so easily because he killed them so most smart defenses are not going to allow Shea to kill him and they're going to help off of Jada and he's able to attack

with an advantage that's why he's an all-star he wouldn't be an all-star if he's number one option on the Hornets he's an all-star because he can play off of J-da and off of Shea so in the aggregate I would like to take the bet

that most teams are going to throw extra bodies at Shea the patience actually did that in the second half here they switched to a really really aggressive scheme quarter. And I'll take the bet that Jadov can handle that more often than not. Yeah. That was that was one. And there was there were a couple sequences in that I can't remember. I just know it's in the second half. I forget if it's in the third or fourth quarter.

But Shea's posting up like on the wing and you see them sending help from from the nail. And he gets off of it quick, gets the ball to Jado. And the first time Jadov takes a three and knocks it down. Second time Jadob gets it hits a, hits a pass to the corner to the corner. they get an open shot off of that. And so, like you said, if you're going to, it's very funny having the guy who's 13 all NBA, but the faces are like, hey, if that guy's going to beat us, so be it. Like, it's going to be okay. The whole team coming out, whole team had bad hands.

Chet fumbled passes. Caruso missed some passes on some catching shoots as well. For the first, like, five minutes, everybody was kind of, the crowd you could feel it too. everybody was nervous and like, yo, are we going to go down too old? Like, is this going to be something wild?

I think they were too amped up because they understood the moment of needing to come out and punch them in the mouth and establish it early and they were like too fiery. Like they had like, it looked like Chet

chugged two Celsius and it was like three monsters to the dome. He was fucking spinning like hammy from over the hedge and he was just moving too fast. They need to settle down a little bit. I definitely felt that.

I seen the chat, uh, Solev 1213 said, honestly, this thunder offense feels overrated by the stats. Feels like one man SGA show half the time.

I think they're literally just the goat defense, which gives them a ton of opportunities. Yes. You're not saying they're overrated. You're just saying the reality. This team's offense is the defense plus Shea. That's why he's MVP. You're 100% right,

and that's not a flaw. That's the whole thesis of this team. Something that I said, I think, I think it was probably on our last episode that we did on Thursday. I said that this OKC team defensive reminds me of the, was it 2013 Seattle Seahawks?

Like Legion of Booth? Yeah. Yeah. And I say 2013 Seattle Seattle specifically because, like, that team was super known for getting a lot of goddamn turnovers and scoring off of them toneovers. Yep. So, like, the comparison is there one-to-one. Their offense is their offense. It's not some of the best.

It's not broken at all. It's just, like, fundamentally, it's not going to succumb to certain nights that off-nights that chess is going to have and J-Dub's going to have because Shay's there. Yeah, exactly. It's, it's the comparison I've used all years. It's the O-4 Pistons, but they have the best score in the. the NBA. That's what it is. And you would see pretty similar things in a lot of circumstances if you paired a defense this good with the singular offensive engine this good. The whole reasoning one MVP, despite having all-star level teammates, is because he makes them all-sher-level

teammates offensively. So, yeah, it makes them one-dimensional. You're right in stating that, but I don't think it makes them overrated. That's just like the way they play. You know, that's the way they prioritize their talent. You can't have eight amazing defenders and eight amazing offensive players. That's not feasible in the second-air team. Yeah, yeah, unless you're just the go unless you are the 2017 warriors or really the 2016 warriors when they had crazy depth that's in the way that's going to happen that's one a million those teams three pete so give and take and i think they've chosen the right path because of that i agree i can understand why he say he would say like the war or this team this lkc team does feel overrated i don't i think right now they're in

their emphasis stages of being all-time level dominant i think they could i don't want to start conversations too early because we're going to have that when it's necessary next week but they don't feel unbeatable just yet and they're this is like the worst level offensive that they should be over the next like at least bare minimum three years so let's said modern 2011 bulls on steroids pretty much it's honestly the exact same thing that's why derrick rose won MVP as well yeah that's a good comparison except this time we're going to look up next year and chat's going to be different animal offensively i think so yeah i'm with you they're going to be a lot more difficult to guard next year which is quite exciting what if the colitopich

is good and they have a real backup bg He's already on the roster. He was a lottery pick. He's already there. He would have been a top 10 pick if he didn't get hurt. He's on this roster. They have so many things. If he's Gauron Drogic, this team is the three beats.

Go to hell, man. That's a high bar. Goran Drogic is very good. He's probably not going to be. He doesn't have a jump shot. But if he is, spooky. Scary. Spooky.

Oh, man. And they got so many picks. I think they got like three or four first round pigs this year. Yeah, they got some fake pigs. Yeah, I mean, they have a thousand over every year, it feels like, which I wonder what they'll do with. That's going to be. the most interesting part in the off season for me too, seeing how they're going to constantly like reset

and cycle through certain players on their roster. Another interesting part of this game before we move on from talking about this game, how did they handle the double bigs? I was obviously, I've been a big proponent all playoff series to go the fuck away from double bigs. I hate that they've been starting it for politics reasons.

Game one, Mark Dacknell agreed. He started Case & Wall to start the game. And they lost the game. And I heard so much in podcasts, even from smart people, This was a mistake. This was overthinking it and so forth. And I'm like, bro, if Tyrese Halliburton didn't make that shot,

nobody would be saying it was a mistake to start Case and Wallace. But I do think it was a mistake to never run double bigs. And in game one, he didn't run for a single minute. I never said all that. I think you should start Chet as a center, but you need to run double bigs a little bit and show versatility. That was the mistake from game one, I think. And in game two, he ran double bigs, especially when Miles Turner was off the court.

When it was Thomas Bryant, Nobi Topin, they went out there with Hart and Son and Chet. And like, that is the perfect adjustment. That's how you use double bigs. Use it sparingly against the best matchups. That was a great adjustment from Mark Dagnol. Yeah, I agree. When it comes to the double big thing too for this team, the numbers are the numbers.

They say what they say, but there's certain things on the basketball court that just numbers can't account for, which is like a sense of relief that Isaiah Hardinstein is able to provide and no one else is able to on this court. He's able to, of course, the playmaking thing, juice that he provides is very real.

He makes As Crusoe's life easier, Jadab's like easier and all these sets life a hell of a lot easier when he's not asked to bang down low and be a be Rudy Gaubert for five minutes or two minutes at a stand or whatever it might be so I I love what I love that adjustment and again Mark Donald feels like time and time again he's continued to prove like why he's easily like one of the I don't know three two best coaches that the league has to offer I think I'm not I'm not going to say that because this is this is he's a young coach for sure he looks a young coach a lot of these series. He has mistakes that he makes him write adjustments for. Yeah. But eventually

he'll eliminate those mistakes and he'll get to the beginning at that point. But this man is a young coach. This is back-to-back playoff series where game one, you see something, you're like, why did you do that? You know, like, and so now we're here. And I think that he's found a good balance, right? In game one, even aside from the double big, we were talking about, like, word, AJ Mitchell minutes in the first half? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's kind of

crazy. Yeah, sometimes he gets a little too woke. Yeah, and so now, now in game two, it's a, that's ridiculous. Donovan, is out here looking like a Shaq, goby? Have you seen, have you seen a Shaq candy? I swear, I'm only wearing white and black clothes on the set ever again. I, I, I wanted to be very freshly. Wait, why is this a comparison? I wanted to be very seasonal.

Look a lot, these, Loki look like Kobe, not even Shaq. They look like Kobe. Yeah, his face is too structured. It's not rounded off. That's smooth. That's bald head. That's a Kobe head. But also, you got me, though. Ultimately, that's Donovan.

And they say you look sweet as hell, Donovan. You're going to come in next stream, fit harder than ever. And I believe in you. How are you going to respond? Nobody believes in you. Put that shit on.

They're calling you a pocket full of sunshine. They're saying you look mad, approachable. They're saying you look like a jolly time. They say you are digestible, man. That tear your ass up. That's what they're saying. Not me. I'm not saying it.

Nobody ever said digestible. He's like, can't even wear purple these days. Nope. Next thing we're going to do, I want us to do a blind ranking, something we've done for a while, the blind pyramid, actually, the blind tier list, I should say. But I want the chat to decide where everybody goes. We do this a lot and we have you guys react to it while we do it. But today I'm going to let you guys do a poll and decide every single one here.

So we're reacting to what you guys think. Okay. I'm very curious how this will go. All right, y'all, please do not let us down. We're putting a lot of faith in you guys chat. We want you guys to get this right. This is your moment to shine.

This is a moment to prove to us that you guys know ball. We're back on hoopgoat.com. Here it is. We got four tiers. Well, I'm going to do it off of what you guys spam in the chat. And if it feels divisive,

I'll run a poll so we can keep moving fast. Donovan told me y'all can't read. I don't know if you guys know ball. First name on this list chat, Mario Chalmers. Where are you guys going to put him? S tier. Keep in mind.

Top tier. You guys don't know what mix of players these are. You're going to gauge it based on how good they are. You are listening to Donovan. You guys are that, you guys are that infensible? What the fuck? They're spam it S. You know, I'm seeing a lot of S.

This is going to be a clutch players. This is just what I'm guessing. Mario Chalmers is one of the clutches players of all times. Y'all say in numbers. Let's put them up top. Top is one, then two, three, four. Say in numbers. S doesn't mean anything in this.

First tier, Mario Chalmers. Let's get it rolling. There's spam and S tier. A bunch of trolls. All right. Okay, I am seeing more four than anything, though. Aren't you really? I've seen a lot of one.

No, I think it's a lot of ones. I think we're going to, okay, now one's, okay, fours are starting to rain in now. You guys, I'll run a poll. Yeah, that's the best way to do it. Let's see how this is going to go. We got to do polls. This is a lot of, okay, it's so much. Listen, listen, stop trolling.

On the poll, stop trolling. Yeah, give us your real opinions. We'll run the poll for this first one. Today only, Mario Chalmers. 5 3s 1,000 3 million Okay 66% of people

are saying 4 We'll go with 4 We'll be normal To start Today only They're ruining Next up

What did I say I can't Let's say Willis Reed We got Willis Reed Number 2 What the fuck is this Based off of Yeah I don't know

Where we're going with this This looks to me Like role players Who won a championship Obviously Willis read Better than role player But like Supporting guys in Championship

Because they're spamming two off right now listen one person saying too listen he is a star not one of the best players of all time so maybe you keep your options open but it's Mario Chalmers

yeah so I'll do a full poll for this one with all the tears Mario Charmers on this shit he might be number one I'm seeing a lot of threes in the chat yeah the threes are raining in they're raining in like I'm like

yeah you always say this you always say this the last two times you've been like oh yeah Willis three like he's eye he's whatever star he's just not one of the top ten players of all time but he's a superstar no but willis reed set on the all 75 team won an MVP two times final MVP five time all NBA seven time all three here's a thing he's a thing here's a thing I knew he was a final

MVP I did not know he wanted an MVP I knew he was a star but we'll just like that he's like oh yeah he'll do this whatever it's like I didn't even say I did not know he wanted so I will say that I did not know that but I just meant he's not in terms of the tierless you're going to get 15, 20 players He made an all-defense team I knew he was a star I just didn't know you I did not know he's MVP though

He was on some Eastern Conference team right The Knicks He was on the Knicks Yeah he won the championship dicks In the 70s Was he a buck as well or now He has 1, 2, 3, 4 5 straight years of averaging 20 points

He's 20 and 13 20 and 11 Yeah I knew that I didn't know he wanted MVP off that though I mean he's like that So it's like But in terms of tier 1 I wouldn't say he's like that

and chat if mariel somers on this he might be but hey sure so is bob pettit if it's the thing you're not going to put bob pettit tier one i mean no willis this is the chat this is the congress is for the chat Bob pett his resume is better than willis reed no i'm just saying like

let's put up bob pen actually who i'm just going to chat what are you going to start off a resume okay anyways chat did tier three we're wasting a lot time discussing

willis read so it wills read enjoyer over here yeah dork Now you've been Hey Bob Petter is kind of like that Shut up

He is kind of like that He is 11 time all-star 2-time MVP 11-time all-NBA 2-time scoring champion 4-time all-star game MVP Okay we got Willis re-tier 3 Shut

Yo 26 and 16 Career Afton No Bob Petit's a goon He's like that Dylan Brooks Chad Hey yo What

No Everybody immediately is spanning 5 for Dylan Brooks on a four tier list Yeah man Hey guys put that wrestler in the bottom tier Okay I'm gonna go and assume you guys want four I don't think I gotta do a poll for that one

That is roaming with the jumper What a random Jeremy Lynn? We got shit What is his list? We got Jeremy Lynn chat All right Keep mind chat

You guys are running out of tier four spots You guys don't want to chat y'all may have fucked up And Rillis read that low Keep Hayden Keep hating keep putting people on four Yeah and keep mind You guys already set the press on the Willis Read 4 I don't get married to that

If you had to make a mistake Don't bury yourself No but also this is It is kind of fair though Like that Willis 3 No that Jeremy Lind is 4 Oh Jeremy Lynn is definitely before Yeah

But I'm confused by what we're looking at here I don't know who nobody knows You're telling you y'all chat Y'all fucked up by putting Realist Read at 3 We're just fucked up big time Yeah I was thinking two for Willis 3 You guys went 3 They always like to sit down and fry us

About draft shit or taste that we have The mic is in your microphone Your face right now buddy 34% are saying 4 29% are saying 1 There's a lot of ones in the chat for Jeremy Lynn But most of you guys are saying 4 by slim margin A lot of you guys want to go 3 but we'll go 4

That's what's winning There we go Jalen Brunson Okay Now obviously Willis Reed is greater all time than Jalen Brunson They're gonna say 4 Do you guys want to put Jalen Brunson neck and neck With Willis Reed? You know Modern NBA stats are better

But Willis Reed's a legend Brother's tearless smells like shit man They're spamming 2 I'm seeing a lot of 2 in the chat Yeah you guys want to go 2 Okay, you guys clearly want to go two I'm seeing some people saying We gotta go three

Maybe that's right But I'm seeing a lot of two in the chat You can correct yourself as much as you want This list still stinks Yeah, this is a two You guys are spamming two Nick Van Exel Okay, I like this name

So listen you guys sold the rules Replacement but you can recover You really did You guys really sold Willis Reefi He probably should have been tier two But also there could be MEPs on here They're all over the place with this one right now

I don't know who's gonna be on this list Me neither This is crazy Okay I'll do a poll You guys don't know Nick Van Exel. Kent and Bazmore might be next. You guys don't even know who he is, you goddamn crayon eaters.

I'll put a poll, though. But there's no way you guys have opinions on Nick Van Exel. See, they're spamming four. I don't know if you should be spamming four from Nick Van Exel. You have one spot left and four. Yeah, that's... I'll let you rock, but I wouldn't do that. Chat, I think he should be three, but this is your list.

Rock out. Yeah, okay. You guys are voting right. He's three. That's a good placement. Dennis Rodman. Oh, shit. Uh-oh.

That is difficult. Oh, that's a hard placement, y'all. You can convince me four, but with the lay of this list right now, three probably makes the most sense. But I don't know how many more players. They're spamming two. So you guys want to go Dennis Robin? I can't eliminate that. I can't eliminate that thought process.

Put them at two. That's what the people says. Chad, you got to give a six million a season too. I'm running a poll. No. I don't know what they should do with this one. You kind of have to put him at. He's a Hall of Famer.

Yeah, so is Willis Reed. There might be two other Hall of Hall of Fame. Again, we've established You're right, you're right, you're right. You're right. But there might be other Hall of Famers on here, too. I'm sorry. Like Jalen Brunson, he's like peaking right now

a Hall of Fame level, so that's not crazy. All right, y'all said 51% too. You guys want tier two. Ooh, shit. Okay. Next up, Isaiah Thomas. Oh, shit. Y'all are going to hate.

Damn. Surely he has to be just, he fits, he sloths into three pretty well, right? You should. Yeah, there's spamming three. That's an easy one. Yeah, yeah. I'm seeing a lot of three in chat. That makes sense.

A good call. All right, here we go. Alex English. You guys got bailed out. You guys got bailed out. Oh, wow. That is a good placement.

Alex English is a good bailout. I'm barely seeing any ones. Yeah, you guys might be a lot of fours. Y'all don't know. Y'all might be dumb as fuck. Let me run a poll real quick to see what the masses think.

Okay. The ones are starting to come in. Yeah, there's a little delay in the chat. Let me make sure you guys aren't bozos about this. Okay. Let me just do a poll and be safe. One and four. Yeah.

Let's see, man. Surely, yeah, okay, I'm seeing early, early, yeah, 77% won. There you go. Okay, listen, you guys got bailed out. Alex Elish is a very good tier one placement. Bailed out, we don't know yet. Listen, if we get a real tier four spot, this could be a good tier list, despite the willis brief up. Manu Genoblee tier four.

Damn. Ooh, you guys are regretting placing Isaiah Thomas right there, for sure. Or Nick Van Exel. Yeah. It's probably, it's probably, I don't blame them, though. I don't blame him for that. That one, Nick Monitoring will be snuck up on us. I also would have fucked that up, I think.

This whole list has been very weird, so I don't, I don't blame y'all, but understand that you did do this to yourself. Yeah, I also wouldn't have put Nick Van Exel next to Jeremy Lynn or Isaiah Thomas probably. Damn, y'all can't read and you guys can't do tierless correctly? What can't y'all do? Y'all did sell, but all these considered, this isn't the worst list in the world. Have we made worse?

Probably. No, hell no. No, I don't think we have. We've made equally as bad, but Monitor 4 willist readier 3 is quite bad. I don't even think we did equally years of bad, to be honest. Because if we would have did this, we would have put Willis Reed Tier 2. And so that would mean Dennis Robin probably would have went Tier 3. We also would have put Mono Tier 4.

We also would have fell into that trap. No, we probably would have put Nick in 4. We probably would have put Nick in 4. Nick's an All-Star. I would have campaigned for Nick above Mario Chombers. I think Nick and 3 would have made sense. Mario Chomers is what a name, bro. I would have campaigned for Nick in Tier 3.

It would have come down to Isaiah Thomas. Would we put Isaiah Thomas in 3 or 4? Probably 4? I think we would have fell into the same trap. I think we would have got fucked and we would have put Isaiah Thomas 2 or 3. All right. Okay.

You got it. That's fair. Hey. You guys think you horrible. Someone said it's my fault for my fault for what? Someone said Mo's being ableist. What did you say that was ableist? Blame Mo.

You can't do nothing right. It is not my fault. What did Mo say? He said that they can't read. No, no. I was calling back to what he said. Not me. You guys informed me that they can't

read in third person. It said Don's fit threw me off. I'm just wearing shorts and a t-shirt, man. It's 80 degrees outside. You know what I call this? If I ever see y'all wearing colors outside, I'm going to be upset. I need everybody black and white, gray fits only for the summer. Y'all are being dismissive.

That's what it is. Y'all are just not taking on accountability. Yeah, take accountability. At all, man. Come on now. It's all right. We all slip up. It's cool.

We'll give you guys an opportunity for redemption in the future. just know the one time you put the ball in your guys with hands you did shit the bed so keep in mind next time you want to yell at me for being wrong

or yell at Mo for selling a draft you got the opportunity to prove you could do better and you did not it's on y'all that's accountability that's a lesson for y'all I'm disgusted right now

and with that being said that's and the stream it was a fun one we will see y'all next week we're gonna keep doing this we're gonna do this pretty ever so often yeah pressure's gonna be on y'all

until you guys get a good one we're gonna keep doing this y'all suck we'll see y'all next week i want you guys to let this stew also hey bring back this crayon because you you stole you did steal a crayon yeah bring the green crayon back what will happen if i don't bring it back i'm gonna have to beat the shit out of you you're gonna have to kill your ass shit well i'm not going to be on this spot no more guys see you hammers hashtag stone mow