The Deep 3 Podcast - Reacting To This Week's NBA News! | TD3 Live

Episode Date: December 2, 2025

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do do do do to do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do what was that on you i had to flick you nice payback for last week we are here we are live starting at 5 p.m. instead of 430 so yes we are late the comments are deserved this time but we're here ready to talk another week of NBA news we start off the stream immediately walking 37 here at $5.17. He said, sup guys. Unk update.

I've graduated. Thanks for keeping me entertained these days in college for years. Shout out Walking 37. Shout out Unk for graduating college. Get a round of applause

in the chat for Joaquin. Wow. T3's finest, man. That's perfect. Wait, did somebody just boom? No, that's for being late. And I boo,

Boo, Wauki. Fuck higher education. Let me get to screw the system in the chat. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, Whoa, man. Shout out Joaquin 37. Shout to everybody else in here,

getting their education. Yep, the chat goes. They're caught up now. They're saying, shout out Joaquin, showing him love. Yeah. College grad from Crowneater University, exactly. Finest, man. Someone said, is this the episode where Moe and Donovan Kiss?

Maybe. What? Stay to the end to find out. Yo, I got spitballs right now. I got a bunch of paper and then I got a straw right now. Let me know if you're trying to get a war going on. Spitball wars. I haven't shot a spitball for so long.

I shot one earlier today. Earlier today? Yeah. What about your adult? life occurred that compelled you to shoot a spitball? I think once in a while you have to remind yourself, or at least see if you have certain abilities within you and having the ability to spitball at a high velocity is a true skill that I don't think either you guys have.

At a high velocity. Not anymore. You did it at the crib? Yeah. Now you watch just has a spitball in it. Exactly. It's a mirror for spitball. So why do you as a man not have the ability to spit hard?

Exactly. Why can't you spit far? How about that? That's a real question as a man. If you're on top of a balcony, why can't you spit across the parking lot? Oh, no, I don't have that top of hour. And that's a problem. Yeah, I haven't tried that.

What I'm hearing is you're not a man. That's what I'm hearing. But like we saw up top, we have a lot to talk about today, lots of news. You got some panic to talk about potentially. The clippers keep getting worse. The calves are kind of in hell. A few other stories you get to. But before we do that, I think we check in on our Shayla's.

And when I say our Shayla's, I mean me and Donovan, because our lives are good. and our two favorite players have gotten Player of the Week in their respective conferences. My life is good too. I got Player of the Week last week. You're all right. Y'all late, man. You're talking about a little shit.

We're okay. You're talking about $41.10 and seven. We are talking about who is performing right now. Look at these numbers from both of them. I know. Four and no for the Knicks. Three and no. I haven't known a loss in weeks.

We're seven and two, bro. Over the last like nine games. Come on now. 37 points for Luca, eight rebounds, 10 assist. The efficiency is coming even closer to his career averages. Bray's getting out of that hole he's dug himself into his three-point shot. Lucas is looking like an MVP

and he'll still finish third like he always does. Jayne Brunson. Just doing Janna Brunson things. Look how unimpressed. Those attacks are almost half of Lucas in a lot of words. Damn, less points, less remorse. We're hitting on him.

Look at those assists. Everybody doesn't have Luke on their team. Tom. Someone said Moe is a little bro of this three. Of course, as an Atlanta sports fan. How can you not be a little bro? There's not a second where I haven't been little bro with Atlanta sportsman, man.

It sucks. Atlanta may have some things going for them compared to our cities. Like my city, like, I don't have, the rappers from Texas, nowhere close. The food scene, actually, now the food's better in Texas. What do you have? No, it's, I don't know. It's 100%.

What do you have? I mean, the barbecue's cool over there. And the barbecues is cool. It's just like amazing. Yeah. Soul food's amazing. Like it's a little thing. No, soul food's amazing.

The Mexican food there is amazing in Atlanta. Y'all make low exposure food in Atlanta. Great Indian food scene there as well. In Atlanta? Yeah. I didn't know that. It's fantastic in mid-town. Okay.

Indian food is probably better than Texas. I'll give you that. I think it's way more diverse. Tell me, time, time, time. Knowing good, knowing good and well that you had your life changed at the, August? Yeah, at Agas in Houston.

It was good. Stop. It was good. But I could have 15 other Augusts over there in Atlanta. It is generational. Go to Bismalai. Go ahead. It's near, uh, Drew Hills in Atlanta.

Change your life. You're saying that like that means. Go to Blue India. No. In Midtown. It'll change your life. What else is Atlanta do better than Texas? Magic City.

Wings. What are we talking about? Yeah, wings. You have that. See, that was like low-hanging fruit, though. Like, yeah, you have wings and you have better music. Where do we go from there?

People look better. People are healthier there in L.A. as well. We put it on better, too. This is a whole different type of conversation for a different show. I think the masses would disagree on that part. We're healthier. Have 40 random people

on 40s against 40 random people in Texas. We hoop better, we pay football. You do not get that. Compared to Texas? You do not play football better. Bro, it's Georgia. Okay. Football.

you got it basketball we're warping your ass killing you guys but overall Texas has hoopers too not like Georgia okay maybe right there I don't know you guys have hoobers but not like maybe right football y'all got it healthier though yes healthier dude I let it in Texas like last year my jaw dropped I was like yo I get it now I get it but man like the government got a step in right this is so bad I'm talking about the babies to elderly. It's like, yo. Babies are huge.

Yo, man. It's everywhere. Chad, if you guys are here right now early in the stream, let us know what Atlanta does better than Texas. Someone said is Isaac hanging on OKC today? You've lost your every love in mind. Never. But also, going back to this real quick,

we talked about our Shayla's winning player of the week. Someone said imagine if one team had both these guys on it. Damn. Tough. That would be crazy. They probably would be the final favorite. For many years, you would think. Tough scene, man.

Tough scene. Kind of pre-dynastic, honestly. You would think they'd be set up for a long time. Really, it never had point guard issues. You'd think they'd have 48 minutes ago, point guard played for the next decade. Tough. I would love to have that. Just always feel safe that no matter who's on the floor, we know that the offense is going to get ran.

Our point guard is going to be able to get a bucket. We're going to be good vibes. We're going to be top of the league players. That sounds like a great situation. Come on now. I have that. Shout out to I of avocado for tipping $15. We appreciate you coming through and laying a donation.

Let's move on to the big story I talk about. Four weeks. I have been up here and I have been talking about the fact that the Clippers are the biggest disaster in the NBA. We keep talking about the fact that they somehow proved this wrong, even though we weren't even high on them. They keep getting worse.

They have blown a 15-point lead to lose to the Memphis Grizzlies. They are now 5 and 14 on the season. I think it's about time the Clippers and the Clippers fans could put it out of their misery. Then do what? Like kill him?

Well. Put down CP3? What? Well, perhaps trade some players if we want to slow it down a little bit. Or if we want to go that far. I went too far. I mean, listen, nothing's off the table. It feels like this team has no more hope.

Last week we talked about them on the biggest surprise of the season. And we talked about the fact that one, not only are we surprised that James Hardin feels like he said a second wind, second prime. You can get to the rim again. It looks as good as he's looked in the last five years. years. Not only be surprised by that, we're surprised that that can be the case and that Kauai can be having an efficient season, and that shit doesn't matter because there's still

one of the worst teams in the league. That combination of facts is outlandish, but we talked about them. We said, or at least I said, I'll give them some time because you could very easily see them turning around and being a playing team and looking pretty normal compared to expectations, right? Two more bad losses since then, sitting at 5 and 14, I don't longer think that's possible. I think this team is doomed, and I'm kind of starting to think it doesn't matter what pick you give to OKC if you're a Clippers fan.

You might have to just get all the value you can and completely blow. this up. They, okay, so yes, I agree that they do, they do have to blow it up because we're already, once you know that you're going to be in the lottery, we're already past the point of anything can happen in the lottery. And you, you just know that like, you can be in a situation where you give somebody a top five pick, but maybe the lottery, you know, the ping pong ball is working your favor and you end up giving them like the 11th pick or instead of the number one pick and you see how you see how the rest of the season plays out

but you have to look at this year and be like I'm leaving here with something. Yeah. Like it really has no bearing to you if you give OKC the seventh pick and you ride it out and you try real hard and you've let Hardin get his numbers and you say well better luck next year we got the butts in seats or if you give him the second pick but you trade hard in get something in return

somehow trade Kauai is probably not possible. Trade maybe it's Zubot, whatever it looks like feels like they need to set themselves up right for the future because this does not feel like there's any chance of them becoming relevant in a playoff setting and if that's not the case why even keep running this together and hoping for some mediocre outcome i think the only reason why you'd want to do so is for the sake of the fans for the sake of just having respect for yourself and also trying to show the fans that you are a legitimate business at the end of day if you're in you have the best interest for them their

entertainment and you want to give them something to at least try to root for and if you're you're doing so like i think you're not going to get anything adequate to James Harden or Kauai or even if you trade Zubach. If there's one thing that's been made abundantly clear in the last few months that Clippers fans have no doubts and do not even proven, it's that Steve Bomber is running a business. That part is completely apparent to them for many reasons. Do you think Clippers fans are having fun? Do you think Clippers fans feel respectable?

Do you think they're like, oh yeah, at least we're trying? I think they're probably in goddamn despair and they have nothing to root for right now. Would you feel good about watching Hardin Zubach hoop and get four wins every month? I guess, okay, so like the artist stuff, yes, because that, that is your meal to get out, right? To get to get some type of value and do anything outside of that, no, I'm not having fun. The entire league is looking at us like scammers. The entire league is looking at us at us as failed scammers because they, because they did all of this and didn't have a championship, didn't get a final's appearance. They are one of the worst teams in the league right now.

And the vibes are always like weird. We've had a lot of Tailu Rumblings this year. There was a specific post-game interview where Kaua was like, yo, man, like I just think we just need to get more talent out there. There's better players out there. That's insane for a star of that level. That shit's not coming. You got who you got, buddy.

And on top of that, there was this comment where the Ashton's Hardin about what it's like right now. And he was just like, shit's tough. The situation here is difficult. It's the response. And look at the body language and he said that. I'll play this. Yeah. He looked, he looked a right.

Oh, look to Ray. He looked away. He was scratching his face. Look at his fingers. Yeah, it's not too great over here. I don't know about you all. Look at him. No eye contact whatsoever.

Rolling his eyes, the swaying side to side. Situation is difficult. If you do decide to move off of Hardin and Kauai, you're just at this point in time thinking about you can't plan for the next five years. Yep. Because you don't have your pick until 2030. At that point in time, you're just like, what? Hoping for middle tier, middle pack NBA players.

who have the ability to put up numbers like, I don't know, a Nas read or some of that, something like that to give you guys, give fans a reason to come out and support. That's what you're looking for, I think. I guess, yeah. Or I guess I would say, so one, so I'm saying they should blow it up.

That's obviously, it's easy for me to say, it's always easy for us to say as non-fans, non-members of the front office. People that don't really have a vested stake in what happens to the clippers, it's easy for us to be like, I don't want to watch this, blow it up, yada, but they really are left for two choices.

Like we've talked about for weeks now, you keep it together you try to get into the plane race try to sell some playoff revenue try to just be respectable because you don't have your picks so you might as well keep your good vets and do the best you can every year

until you can do a proper rebuild but clearly the ship is sailed the best is not going to be anything closer respectable so it seems so far barring a John Collins breakouts Kawai health

I've been waiting for seven years of that man yeah whatever leaving the door open for something crazy to happen just because you never know in the NBA it's probably not going to happen

So it kind of feels like you're either going to stay in tread water and be bad, but get points with Harden, I guess, or try to do it like Brooklyn Nett style rebuild and you don't have your picks. And, you know, they have no control their picks, but they're mostly pick swaps. Pray to God you draft someone good at pick 22. That's not happening, bro. Earlier when I was getting water upstairs, I just got curious and I was like, man, let me look at their actual draft history over the last, I don't know, 15, 20 years or so. It's so bad. I don't think a singular NBA team in the history of the league has a. bad of a draft history as these guys right here going back from i don't know let's say random

year 2018 where i think they drafted miles of bridges or something like that and also jerome robinson and jerome robinson hasn't been known for nothing he did absolutely nothing in this league look at this list right here so this year they drafted yonick who obviously isn't playing it raw rookie rookie i don't even know he's with a team and d oar unattreated him to nick so just one pick this year last year cam christie which is their most promising young player nothing who's only kind of promising but he is somewhat promising year before that Kobe brown and jordan miller Kobe Brown gets some burn Jordan Miller okay

But I've seen Kobe Brown play I can't tell you A single defining He's not great of his I really don't know Musa Diabate Who is now on the Hornets And he's balling out

On the Hornets too currently Quinn Grimes Who traded on draft night Another trade on draft night Terrence man He had a moment He had a moment back then 2019 this man is a widely vet

He's pushing 30 This is their last hit in the first round He is pushing 30 That was a second line draft thing Oh never mind Second round oops 2019

2018 drum robinson We've gone very far back in the years for only a few kids. Just keep going. Please, it gets worse. Well, now we're talking about Bryce Johnson, Czech Diallo, C.J. Wilcox.

I don't even remember who C.J. Wilcox is. This is old. They don't have anything. This is what they're worst at. They don't do the draft shit at all. And honestly. They really haven't had a successful on draft pick since Blake Griffin.

Yeah, they don't do this at all. It's shake-gox-al-Alexander, too, but obviously, you know how that panned out. But seriously, their only hope is not through the draft. They showcase, they've shown that when it comes to their draft department, they invest zero. They don't give a flank, fuck about developing town at all. And their best hope is to, okay, if you're going to trade Hardin and trade Kawhi,

you got to go out to the free agency and just pay players who are like, who ask for too much money. Exactly. It would be possible to rebuild through free agency. That shit is dead. When is the last time a really good player has left in free agency straight up? We're in the era of signing trades. And they don't got shit to sign and trade.

I understand that. I would also say, if you trade hardened, the worst case. the worst case scenario is you trade hard and then the league says I'll take that pick that is also looming first of all objectively the funniest that would be great that is the best outcome that is the best outcome that is on the table if they trade chances are there and the NBA takes away that you're so disrespectful I can't I'm just saying we're talking through ideas here we're trying to see what what can't happen with this franchise because Again, they, outside of that one run where they got to the conference finals, which was without Kauai, shout out to Paul George, that's like one of the highlights of his career, like legitimately like carrying that team to the conference finals was awesome.

The fact that you have never been able to to put together two stars together and see any type of run. And the one time, the two times that they were actually healthy would have been this last year and you choke away that series against the nuggets or in the bubble and nobody else wanted to be there. you blow that 3-1 lead you really have to once again research for your identity which is basically what this team has been doing for the better part of 55 years their entire existence has been searching for identity and they don't they still don't have that and now the headlines we see about this team teams around the NBA are panicking because the thunder owned the clippers pick we're at the point where rivals across the league are deafcon five they're screaming doom they're saying we're all fucked because there might be back-to-back champs are going to get your pick and that is the

greatest stimulus we've seen since the defending champion Lakers drafted James Boy the number one overall. Also, we told you all last year we were saying the Thunder are like that. The Thunder are going to win the title. They're the best team in the league. They're so good. They're so this. They're so that.

And everyone called them frauds for nine months. And now all of a sudden it's like, oh, my God, the Big Bad Wolf is going to get another pick. We've been saying this was on the horizon, but y'all didn't want to listen. Y'all wanted to discredit the Thunder. And we've been on top. and we've been on top of it and been telling you guys

that this is what we're doing. Someone said we need the FTC in the NBA, this monopoly that OKC has got to be struck down. Yo, if y'all... You guys are bad news, man. They don't shut anything down. Yo, if the 27 other NBA teams, the 28 other NBA teams are actually panicking,

do what's right. You guys need to go ahead, start a fucking potluck, right? And just give the Clippers some decent players so they can do better, if you're actually panicking. What he's saying is we need mutual aid for Steve Balmer and the Clippers. We need to the community.

We need FEMA. Everybody send your aid, man. Let's call people from Cuba, bro. Like, I don't know what it is. Let's call some of the best Euro League MVP's, right? We need all the help that we can get at this point. DeMarcans cousin's coming over from that Puerto Rico league. Yes, please, bro.

Yeah, and like, it's so tough, man. Like, it's so bleak that they really don't have any good options. You run the team back, you keep it together. Maybe you can claw to the 10 seed at best because some teams will drop out. but you are currently not even close to that and maybe you're close because there's not that many games played so far so you're like two games out or something

because a lot of the West are struggling nobody's watching them and saying they're so close to figuring it out and a rebuild that have to be really relying on hitting late draft round late picks maximizing picks you get in trades and doing the Brooklyn Nets route like I said

and they've shown exactly nothing to make us believe they're equipped to do that I don't even really know the tell Clippers fans like there's no help coming there's not out pick a new team that's like we told the Kings fans a couple of weeks ago, you have the right

as a man, as a woman, to pick a new team, to just say I'm abandoning my fandom and say I'm going to somewhere else. Pick OKC. Go to where your pick is going. Follow the pick there. Follow Camboozer to OKC and be a Thunder fan. You don't, yeah, you don't have to do this. Now, wherever you go, be loyal, stay there.

But you, we understand. You get a one-time pass. Choose wisely. There's moments in every fandom in every team's history where if people left that team and said, I can't do this anymore. You can do that.

For the Mavs, if they traded Luca and you said, I will never root for this team again, I understand it. If you're the Kings, anytime over the last 18 months, if you say, I can't do this anymore,

we understand that. It's the same thing for the Clippers right now. Go ahead. Chad is doing a very good job for reminding us of important detail. What is it? We are talking about 16 people in the world right now. There's no Clippers fans.

That is a good point. We were wasting a lot of time telling fans out of Coke That probably don't exist. Damn. If you're a Clippers fan, I see how many Clippers fans are watching right now. There can't be more than three, if that.

In real life, I only know exactly one Clippers fan. You know what Clippers fan? You've met a Clippers fan? I haven't even met him in real life. We're just ID friends. You got to put him in a cage. That's a mythical being.

Put him in a glass panel somewhere to observe. They're not going to believe it. He exists. I swear to God, he does. Three. In Jersey on, I swear he owns one. Okay, I see I'm a Clippers fan, close fan.

I'm seeing two, three. I'm a fan of the, clips hate it three wow yeah so like what what would y'all do then do you i'm more importantly what would you do do you have a will to live right now yeah like all three of you in here are you enjoying your life do you actually be tuning in and watching these games have you reached a point in ravana where you just like have separated yourself from emotional fandom and you were just like you feel like fandom ego death yeah i never thought when this trade happened back in what 2019 that i'll be legitimately witnessing one of the probably five worst trades i'm not so like detailed in all the

sports but i'm gonna say it in all fucking sports but right now giving up an MVP future number one overall pick god knows what's gonna happen back in 2026 2027 and so on and so forth bro you fall on your face don't you make it you make it into what one western conference finals and now you're just left with like nothing for the next five years didn't know it's gonna be this bad and it's funny too they made one western conference finals and like shout out them for getting there and like shout out pg for having that performance of getting out the second round without kauai they made the conference finals in a year when there's no hope with them winning the conference finals because there was no kawai so it was like like shout out us appearance it was probably

the least substantive conference finals appearance you could imagine yeah that's hilarious well i mean you know the hawks in 21 but like but but but but there's a real ban for band with rods that run listen ironically the same year but like they um that they um that they that that conference final run also ended in shame because Pat Bair, remember he ran up behind Chris Paul, like shuddle him in the back and gave him whiplash, that's also terrible. Basically, even whenever you guys do succeed,

nothing good can happen. Yep, yep, yep, yeah. And you don't deserve the happiness. You guys have fake success. Just have nothing to hang your hat on, but at least the Mavs got Cooper flag, brough. Not nothing.

Before we end this, I'm going to name a series of NBA teams you tell me if you'd want to see them trade for James Harding. So just like, not even getting into actual fake trade ideas, but just think. about the market of where he'd fit if you were to go up on the trade block okay first team miami um no you think you know you don't you don't want miami to trade for anybody why what are they doing they're not doing much he hates my i like miami he'll be super fun watching there but i don't know how it would fit alongside what they have going on there and

i don't think he's going to commit to playing a certain level if he wants to play fast and up and down that insane pace they play brother the clippers are dead last and transition points and it's because of that man right here. He does not want to run. Exactly. You sent him to Eric Spulcher, his hamstrings falling off the bone again. Hardening Miami? It's dangerous, right. He'd love it there. No, man. I don't even know if they could put the money together. If they could, would you want to see him on the bucks?

That would be fun. Him and Janus, after that beef to have with MVP a couple years ago? Well, like seven years ago now. Why are we going to promote Ryan Rollins? True. Do we? Is that a downgrade? It might be. Nah, I got to keep him. Like, I'm getting Ryan Rollins and I'm getting this level of production for $4 million

a year. What if you keep Ryan Rollins still? too. I think I would do this. That's a bad. That's a backward. I think this is a guarantee top black four seat. Bobby Portis, Kyle Kuzma. Oh God. The beggars can't be choosers. My bad,

my bad. You're blocked if you offer up than honest. You can't give up the nonsense. It can never happen. I would do it though. Houston. No. Hardening KD. Hell no. The boys are back together. Never keep pardon. Stay over there. I don't want you in Houston ever again.

Enough of this on, on again, off again. Stop this. This is not a sitcom. You guys. are broken up. Stay, stay over there. Phoenix Suns. Pairn with Devin Booker. They're having a good year, shocking everybody. Sure. It will work. I think it will work. Jaylen Green plus stuff to get the salary filler. You know what? A small amount of picks. But they don't really have picks. So it would just be like, do they want Jaylon Green? I think if I was the Clippers, I would do that. And if I was the Sons, yeah, sure. Why don't you have nothing to lose at this

point in time. Like, Jalen Green's not a building block for your future at all. And Harden could carry your offense to a certain degree. nice yeah like that'll alleviate so much pressure off with Booker his efficiency would rise up again give him shots up with the clippers like oh my gosh we're back to just fake basketball that's what they need that's what they need Minnesota Timberwolves do you want to see him go there and save Anne's life yes I think if he if he went there I would I obviously it matters like what's in the deal but Harden playing at this level and the Edwards I would trust them again to make a deep run into the playoffs that was hardin deep run in the playoffs do you realize he is

certain men of words that you just put together you never did that forever in your life this isn't even him being high on Hardin this is Aunt Glaze. He thinks the aura of Ant can save all things including Hardin's playoff reputation. Yes. Hardin and Rudy Gaubert. This is going to be the most hateable teams of certain people. Now there

would be a situation where we get into a fourth quarter of a playoff game and James Hardin pissing down his leg and you and like Rudy Gobert Chris Wait. Chris Winsch looks over at the bench he's like he looks at Rob Dillingham he just size.

All right, let's get this straight. Rob Bellingham is going to Los Angeles. He's in the straight. I want to see you. He's looking at Bowen's Highland and saying, fuck. I think of this straight, what's that happened? They will be a lock to be a top four seat in the Western Conference. A lock for sure.

That'd be filthy. And they need the playmaking. Obviously, we've talked about it. They're going to be a good team that makes a run with, with their without a point guard. If they want to have a chance of upsetting the best teams in the NBA, they need a point guard bad. But if it involves giving away Jen Daniels, Ken. do it can't oh no no that wouldn't even be that wouldn't even be a consideration jana mcdaniels i said jada daniels it would be like randall if they want to sell high or like nausea and stuff

smart for randall i would do that selling high and randle for harding the only the problem is like the now you have a two-year window you're small but like hardin i mean i don't know but not size wise but you have a two-year window before you assume hard and hits an age cliff and i'll take that two-year window and prepare for the next phase of the anthony erwards era for sure which is basically what they do every year anyway yeah they think short term okay next conversation

Rudy Gaubert told Jalen Brown to shave his head did y'all see this video he points his head and says come on brother I'd be so mad if I was Jalen Brown bro come home brother that's so bad bro

oh my god what's a French accent sound like how do you say that in French accent I have no idea what a French accent is I can't even remember Rudy Gobert talking out of top of my head they just sound whack This is lame

This is hilarious Wemby might be the only cool Frenchman The only cool Frenchman You don't mean that Maybe About Wemby Maybe

He's what he said besides Wemby Yeah I can't But yeah I don't know if Bollahoubali's cool Nah He doesn't look cool Tony Parker's amazing legend I don't know if he's cool

People do not like Tony Parker Nobody describes as cool I'm starting to notice A trend that I never thought about before There are no cool friendsman for real Yeah, the French whack Where Alex are from? He's from France

He's from French Yeah, nah Is he cool? He's on the line He can earn cool, right? He's not uncool But he hasn't earned The stamp of being a cool

Frenchman yet We're Americans Are like bar for cool is different It's hard to gauge What you think You think that they're rock What Alex are in France That he's the coolest

Nah Probably not He's next up I have no idea It's also hard When like The national image Of what a Frenchman

looks like it's just some dude riding riding around on a bike with a baguette in his backpack. What are you talking about? Just saying wee, we. Like there's in respect, Tijon Salon. Hell no. He's cool. Okay, Batoon's cool. Yeah, he's the leader. They're talking about that. I won't

I will not lie. I will not lie. When I watched the Netflix doc quarter gold and they had the camera in there and like the friends, they had this one game where like they were down at halftime and Batoon went in there. he was yelling at everybody in French

I laughed so hard I can't take you seriously if you're yelling in French it it sounds like it it's not a serious language to where I can like like if you're yelling in French you know stop that

stop stop the image of an American calling a France and a French and unserious language you're talking about it was so funny I was I was like I'm not listening I feel like. You know what? French people when they speak English is unserious. Maybe in French, if they're just going jumping bars, maybe it could be like, oh, Nicholas Batu was spinning. No, listen. And like, basically based off of his tone and his body language and his vocal inflection, I knew he was saying some real stuff. Oh, so you're talking about when he's speaking French? Yes. Oh, okay. So you're just all that off. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What the fuck are they talking about your right? I feel like that. I was cracking. Brits and then like people from money and shit. They were saying Zachary should say is.

cool. Man, there's a lot of things I can reach there. I think he needs to be in Atlanta for like four more years and then I think we can get combos going. Not this year. What's going to happen to him? He's their former years is going to change him. I think he might get a sleeve tattoo. A sleeve tattoo, okay. Yeah, sleep tattoo. He probably will have. He's going to start talking like Ariana Grande. Enough money for some grills and shit. He already got braids.

What's that video where she tells somebody to get your ass over here? What did she say? What's the name? I forgot. She's recording a video doing a selfie and her like makeup sauce is behind her and she has the craziest black sense. I forgot her name, but she's like, get your ass in the picture. That's crazy, man. That's crazy. That's going to be Zach.

I think, I think Zach, by year four, probably get like a random booth session in with, oh, Kiyomi, that's what you do. Yeah, Kiyomi. Get your ass in the picture. That's funny.

Let's like what the next is asked her on our list. She was really brown, too. Oh, she was using the B. Davidson skit where he's like, your ex-girlfriends to scrape herself orange. She was orange of shit. let's need to drop their best music so we need your back she's a change sides again so honestly do what you got to do for the class it's okay next new story the cleveland chat the Cleveland cavaliers have lost three straight games the vibes are at an all-time low the offense is at its

worst it's been in the past two seasons since Kenny Atkinson came and donald did not speak to reporters after following Cleveland's last loss and Jalen Tyson did interviews and he basically said we need to try harder he basically was like we are not putting our best foot forward he wasn't going to be too harsh but he was kind of like we're playing bitchmate right now to me this team feels like it's prone they're set they're destined to blow up next year not even next year oh yeah I guess I can be next year during the summer bro because I don't when I watch this team it's so confusing because you see the talent Donovan Mitchell we're basically averaging 30 Darius Garns came back.

He hasn't hit that many shots. Playmaking is like, you know, it's good as is already. Evan Moby. Everyone's been talking about how there's much to be desired on that end. The number one thing that stands out to me for this team is just how they just don't play inspiring basketball and they're playing like they won a championship tip last year. They're just like kind of lazy, you know? It does feel like a championship hangover for a team that went out sad.

Yeah. That's hilarious. Also, I miss a donation. Shout out to Bundo for donating $3.33 cents. He said Don having to support the clips For once in his lifetime is crazy I don't have to support them I don't I'm just saying what they should do

For like for the betterment of the clippers At the end of the day I still am rooting for their downfall And for the worst for them Come on man I truly do hope they're already dead What is there to root for I mean on the next disaster

I'm gonna talk So in this interview Jaylon Tyson said this team isn't playing with any hunger And that's inexcusable He said the young guys The role players You gotta do our part come stronger. He didn't put it on the stars, but it's also

the stars. And another thing he said is I feel like teams want it more than us. That's precisely how it feels. That's second part. Teams want it more than them. And there, you know, there has been some injuries there. Daris Garland dealing with his toe thing. It's made him in Adelina ball year. He'll probably be dealing with it all this season, which is scary at this point. Not even

just scary. Like, that was reported that he will be dealing with us for the whole season. It'll be an injury management thing. It's cooked. RIPP the ceiling. Yeah. If Daris Garland is not 100% in the playoffs, I do not see this team having the Anywhere close to the ceiling that we'd hope they could have, which is win a championship.

You won 64 games last year. You were the most dominant team in your conference by far. Actually, no, I forgot. The Celtics were still good before they died. Yeah. Second most dominant team are tied for them, whatever you want to, whatever you wanted to parse that last year.

And you come back this season. You're the seven seed right now. Seven. Yeah, that doesn't make any sense. Donald Mitchell was averaging Danor 30. Last year when they were good, he averaged 23. And that was for the betterment of the team

because they were playing through Darius Garland, empowering Evan Mobli as a cutter, having him get all these easy looks in stride. Now, Evan Mobley has been taking the opposite of a creation leap. He looks worse in many ways. Maybe given an expectation that's the reason he looks worse. But at best, he looks stagnant. Donald Mitchell's style of play is reverting towards,

I got to be a volume score, which is not good for the state of this offense whatsoever. Very little reasons to be optimistic right now. Yeah. When you look at this team, it is interesting because it's like, it like, okay, so I think like the discipline appointment and looking at the Cavs is we are looking at them as the 64 one team this team that we all thought should should be that. What if they just are like mid like if last year was the

outlier and that's not the expectation that we should have for them going forward? We've had we've had legitimate concerns about how this team should um should operate in terms of its roster construction the things that the way the ways in which they have lost right they've lost they lost to the to the next years ago and we thought that we were past that but ultimately you they lost that because the Knicks a big brodom and we're like you're too soft like we want it more and now we're here we are years later and still just just slightly in the fabric of this team is y'all don't want it bad enough yeah and to your point maybe last year's an outlier here's the last four seasons of this court together every single year with 21 games they have 13 or 12 wins

except for last year they were 18 and three and I don't think that's to say last year was like an outlier of like luck or anything that's a big sample size but they really had the perfect situation. They had the fresh coaching staff, which gave them a new look they hadn't seen before, the new system that really prioritizes corner threes, prioritized using the bigs as cutters in a short dunker spot, all this new innovation that they hadn't seen before, when I say they mean opposing defenses, caught teams by surprise. They got good Darry's Garland Health, played through him as a playmaker, and it really

worked, lightened the load, Jonathan Mitchell, got the best of their double big lineups offensively and defensively. Now they lost Jordan Ott. They lost their backup point guard. That was a huge part of keeping them having four. 48 minutes of paint touches to keep that offense going. He's gone in Ty Jerome. You're replacing him with a hodgepodge or perimeter players that don't play the same way.

You lost Isaac O'Roural, which obviously, offensively isn't a huge loss, but that was an important defender. You're just trying to reconfigure a lot of things to find value lost. And it just seems like last year was the perfect combination of all these things, and they're nowhere close to that now. And what makes this 12 and 9 feel different than that 12 and 9 that they experienced two years ago, was that they just had their easiest slate of the schedule for these first 21 games of the year. They've been, and as of late, like, what Super Hertz too is who you've, like, fucking lost you, you, been beating all the teams, you should beat, like, Indiana, the Clippers, Chicago, Philadelphia, whatever, but losing to Atlanta, Boston, Toronto, a couple games before that

against a real contender to see where you matched up in the Houston Rockets, you lost that by, I think, like, 10 to 12 points or so. You're just not in it for real. These last few losses, they're just outlier losses compared to how it is in the past. Yeah, and tonight to play Indiana, they put the Pacers who are obviously one of the worst teams in the NBA, and they will be without Darius Garland, without Lonzo Ball and Sam Murrell, Larry Nance, Jared Allen, and Max Struce also remain out. I've seen tweets that this is probably dramatic, but I saw tweets earlier today

by several different unrelated people saying, low-key feels like Kenny Atkinson is coaching for his job tonight. And I saw someone say that, why does it feel like Kenny Atkinson is going to get David Blatted? absolutely yeah and maybe that's traumatic right he did have a great season last year i don't know if this front office has like the appetite for like ripping the court out that early but like you say these are bad losses and it's not just that they're losing and starting slow there's many reasons a team could start slow and you could feel fine it could because injuries just poor shooting love whatever may be teams have started slow and said slow down will be okay feels like all the reasons you talk about the softness the not wanting it well enough all that whether right or wrong

squarely gets put on the coaches when front offices look at their teams which does In this, in this specific situation, it is a little bit unfair because those were questions we had about the Cavs before Kenny Ackinson came in and started coaching the team. And I'm with you. Like, I don't think, I don't think he's coaching for his job tonight, but also when you can't lose and have bad vibes. And when the bad vibes are going around and you have DeMitch not doing, not doing press after the game, when you have Jalen Tyson going around and now. somebody that's not one of like your core four and like your your typical leaders on this team is now stepping up and saying yeah we don't we don't want it bad enough and it shouldn't come from guys like me it should be coming from everybody else right now we're starting to have

little small things that they were that were poking at and this is something where in 10 games you you have another loss and now these comments start to come back into into the fold i do think it is it is going to get scary and also like you have last year and those expectations of we won 64 games. We didn't get a fair chance in the playoffs because we won right. That's what they think. Coming into this year, the East is dead. The two people that you legitimately thought could stand in your way,

or really just the one person in terms of Boston, they're out. And the team that beat you, but you still weren't really scared of in that way in the Pacers, they're out too. This should be your year that everybody crowned you at the beginning of the year, saying you're going to win the conference. You should be out here. Pistons are.

are at the top of the conference. The NICs are getting towards the top of the east. Why are you guys not doing your thing? Those two things compounded a hundred percent should be like, should be the reason why if Kenny Atkinson is going to get on the hot seat, that's where it's coming up. I don't know. At this point in time for me, I'm like, how many more opportunities and chances do you want to give this score? Because when I see someone like Kenny, Kenny Atkinson, I see how you're revived and completely like switched up the entire play style of everyone got a superstar like Donovan Mitchell to buying into this game plan and score the lowest amount of points per game that he's ever scored since his like fucking rookie year basically at this point

of time I'm like this is your last year this is your last opportunity to get things right because there's not going to be the east isn't going to be worse than its current state right now and even like last year like it's it's over with after this season yeah you mentioned the core at the top of that it feels like unless they turn things around and winning solves all right Assuming they continue to struggle, and they're not one of the two best teams in the conference, and even if they improve, and they're four seed come January, whatever it looks like, whatever middle ground success it looks like, even if they're there, feels like it's almost a guarantee the Jared Allen thing happens. That's the easy lever to pull. Evan Moby's disappointing as a score right now. What's the easy way to fix that?

Or not an easy way, but what's a way you can convince yourself we get more of him as a score? Put him at center. Get him back to being a rim roller, get him focusing on the interior scoring. Do the pull the lever Everybody's wanted you to pull for years Because they didn't believe in double bigs Right or wrong We've seen good versions of that

We've seen bad versions of that That's the easy way out without firing Kenny Atkinson Without making a drastic move And blowing it up or doing anything too crazy You could pull that lever Trade Jared out somewhere For a starter of equal caliber

Put Evan Moby as a full-time center Bring in another wing Your starting lineup A little faster, a little more switchy That's always in the cards You have to get Yeah I think another look is probably Something that they need

And it's clear because if Garland is going to be in and out the lineup all year, last year they were able to sustain it because their backup corner guard was holding it down with Ty Jerome. You try to replace that this year with Lonzo. Lonzo is in and out every single year. Like he's never going to be healthy. So you have that, you have that aspect of your team that is just gone.

And even the thing that you tried to replace it with, that's no longer there. You trade away a curl. You're still trying to figure out. And they've been trying to figure it out for years. Honestly, like who that fit starter is going to be. Yeah. But like it's tough. I think you're going to have to have really hard conversations and they have to start now

or at least once All Star Break comes around and you're near the trade deadline about Darius Garland because it's either him or God of him Mitchell. I think even if you do end up moving off of Jared Allen and empower Evan Moby to the starting center position, hope he gets a shot to him to him like a madman and gets out of these mismatches and all that. I think that'll be like a good move, but I think also we could, you could probably also pull another lever lever to unlock this team even more. I'm not saying go ahead and trade Donald and Mitchell or Dary's Garland, but I think conversations need to be had about at least one of these guys. If there's a seven seed come February, conversations will be had.

Yeah. They certainly will be had to that degree if they're still this bad. Yeah. But again, a few days ago, there was a three seed. So it's too early to panic completely. But I don't think the Jared Allen thing is panic. that's just like the clear common sense that's just the clear like next step if you really want to change some shit up but yeah if they're not a top six team in the eastern conference come february i promise you'll be

looking at these guards one way or another you better not lose tonight you you can't you can't lose tonight in indiana oh yeah in indiana and right now in the playing you have cleveland you have boston you have philly you have chicago and once yonis comes back you think milwaukee is going to make a play to get back into the into the playing range back into the into the playing yeah the playing race i they should hold on obviously i'm not going to say that they're going to like you know drop out or whatever but obviously the playing is the worst place that you want to be in because we if they go out in the playing and we had another one of those like disappointing endings to the cap season then of course like it's it's more than just one of them getting out of here

two of them might be gone yeah yeah we'll see where this goes uh jalen johnson the other night had 41 points, 14 rebounds, 7 assists. But really he was a minus 3, so is he even good? 47% from the field. Is he even good? I mean, Nikiel Alexander Walker was a plus 19. Conversation that he'd be had. He shot better from the field too.

Yeah. Jalen Johnson has been hooping out of his mind. These crazy style lines are coming. Night after night, also he'll be 45 minutes. Is that an overtime game? Yeah. Okay, that makes sense. Night after night, these crazy style lines are coming up. And now we have guys on TV, Mark Spears.

Jalen Johnson is the MVP at the Eastern Conference right now. I like the way you think, Mark Spears. You said it right out of my mouth. Obviously, I'm not going to, like, I think this is like too much glaze. I see it. I love it. This is the most attention that we've gotten since the year 2021, obviously, with and when they want that crazy run.

But, man, it feels so damn good to see this young player just a couple of years ago who was not getting any PT or burn from Nate McMillan for whatever reason. To see him now back-to-back seasons, It looked like he should have been in the MIP race. To now even again, I think he's, he should be very much in that conversation. I don't know if he's like the best player in the Eastern Conference or the MVP just yet, but I certainly think he's one of the five best players in this conference. Well, Streets are easily.

Streets are saying that he's not even the MVP of his own team. And who might that be? I don't know if that's just what Chet said. You are, you're, there's a nuts street. That's a dirt road. Yeah, Jen and Johnson has been great. And obviously the conversation on Twitter has been, this is his team.

We don't need track. Young, let's get somebody else in here that's going to fit the vibe better, the Donovan Agenda. I'm excited to see what it looks like when Tray Young comes back now. Jalen Johnson is scoring insanely well, mostly because he's shooting well, is really a big difference. Over the last eight games or so, I think he's at over 45% from three. I think it was last four games, he's at 49%.

Obviously, if he's shooting 50% and three, he's going to look like a goddamn top team player in the world. I'm excited to see what it looks like when they get Tray Young back to see the last attempt to play around Tray Young and see if Jaylon Johnson can return to form as a defender. without as much responsibilities as a half-quart playmaker, all of that, mostly because I'm excited to see you.

If it doesn't go well, God, it'll be hilarious. If they lose like three straight when the train goes back, God, it'll be hilarious. I have learned to be grateful based off of the disasters, the implosion that I've seen happen

throughout multiple organizations that we've talked about. There's nothing that could go terribly wrong. I'm not even going to say or utter what I was thinking just now, but nothing could go wrong and less like the Pelicans miraculously surge up or than Blocky bucks surge up in the rankings too as well.

I'm happy because Barry Minim, bro, like I have an opportunity to say I have two top 30 players on my team. If you want to argue top 235, whatever, I don't give a fuck. Top 30? Top 35, Barry Munum, I don't care. We're going to rank our top 30 players in the NBA

for our Christmas episode like we always do. Zalin Johnson firmly in that list. Oh, and that's not my question. Is Trae Young to be your list? Yeah, I think, I don't know. It depends on what he looks like. It's too early to say. When is he supposed to come back now?

It's been a while now. Yeah, it's been a minute. He showed up on the court just like two days ago or so, and he was doing practice runs or whatever. So, I don't know. Maybe, like, I expect maybe next month. Next month? Potentially, yeah.

Was it 46 weeks was the injury? Yeah, he got, yeah, he got re-evalued. I think he's getting re-evaluated. It's going to be six weeks. He's next, within these next few days. When you say next month, you mean January? Potentially January. Damn.

If it's four more weeks? Potentially January. What the hell? That'd be like, that'd be like, that'd be like nine weeks. It's been a while. Yeah, I think you should be back this month But I'm keeping my hoot slow Because I haven't given any like real information out just yet

That'd be nuts Someone said he's out for two more weeks That'd make sense from the original timeline we got Yeah, we'll see man, we'll see It is definitely too early to get too excited about those picks The Hulk, the Pelicans get easily turn it around And give you like No, they're not turning it around

And give you like the eighth best odds Something that's so nice But it's not like to turn it around And be in the lottery But not being those bottom four That's super possible No, that would be annoying. That'd be real annoying

if you got like the eighth or ninth best odds Some lukewarm ass lottery pick. Zero chance that's happening, bro. If it does happen, I will be in the warms doing some damn... No, that's right. Do you got to look at the bottom edition conference. You got to look at the wizards, the nets,

the Pacers, there's a chance that happens. There's a chance that happens. Oh, no. No, I don't expect it per se, but they're actually trying to win. Some of these teams aren't. You might not get a top four odds. Tough fours would be, obviously.

Sorry. No, they'll be. top four. Yeah, it's not happening. They will be top four. Washington has two wins, Brooklyn has three wins, and then New Orleans has three wins. Zon, he's going to be out tonight, too, as well, again. Yeah, they're going to

be. I feel good. They're going to be in the bottom four. Yeah, I feel good about that. We'll see. It's really easy to get out of that bottom four when you're only one trying to win in March. You see how you're just trying to, like, this is the best time to be out of Wisconsin. I haven't been as happy throughout these first six

weeks of the NBA season. Up until now. Yes. Do you think I want what's best for you as an NBA fan? I mean, as my friend, you should. What? You think I want you to have good memories as a basketball fan? Yes. Like it's not fair.

You get to make insane runs of the contral finals. You pull off like the dumbest trade of the fucking century. I need everybody in this chat to understand. I want you to suffer. Why don't you want? I want Donovan to suffer. For what? Do you know how fucking funny it was when Donovan was dying at the hands of Tyrese Halliburton

for two straight weeks? I want that I want that every week I want you in pain come playoff time that'll be so funny especially the Knicks too I want you in more pain

I want him and pain The Hawks actually Never mind I don't really Never mind I don't need the Hawks And it's like It's like it's

Guys this is why It's me to put it down For the Hawks more I think about it I'm really projecting to you What I'm applying to him I want the Knicks of suffer The Hawks is like it's funny

If you fall in your face And come up here And be like I hate my team Yeah But, like, I'm not going to get too happy. He is an old friend. That, that he is that.

This is where anti-Lakers agenda comes into the, into the picture and into the fold. Guys, we are hitting on the Lakers 100% for the rest of the years. Who's with me, guys? I was like, I don't know. I like Lucas. Awesome reason. It's kind of cool. Milwaukee was going on.

That's the funniest video ever. It's hilarious. You know what else is awesome? What is it? Zach Edy agenda holders like myself. Zach Eadie career high, 32 points, 17 rebounds, five blocks. He looked like Shaq.

He could only do that against Sacramento. Oh, no, he's doing against everybody. Zins coming back. Zach Eadie is here, by the way. I don't know if everybody's aware because the Grizzies, people aren't watching them because John Moran's not there yet

and it's like, yawn, wake me up when they get good. Zach Eadie is here. He looked 100% like people that were hound in him pre-draft thought he would look, utilizing that size, being a monster on the rebounds, being like a floor,

being a very good role player, It was a little scary last year because they employed a system with no pick and rolls. When you dropped a pick and roll specialist, he's since adjusted. He looks amazing. This is what happens when you go out and you get in a bionic ankle. And they put that, they put that ankle on his leg. And they said, go, go be big. Go do what you do.

Shot. They keep, also, they keep getting away with this. And it really is a shame that this whole job situation is playing out the way that it is. Because the Grizzies, year in and year out, just keep hitting and hitting and hitting on all of their draft picks. And you look at their team, it's like, man, we got some really nice role players. If only we had a star to carry this franchise. Hey, but I will say, I saw, I believe it was in this game, too, a highlight, or at least a Twitter clip where John Moran was dapping up his head coat, smiling, gigging, and all that. So I feel much better about these guys.

That's because he doesn't want to move. but yeah I love Zach Edy coming out of the draft listen last year it was a hard time to be an NBA fan I like Zach Eadie we were fighting wars

in the first round of the playoffs when he was getting exposed getting blitzed by they played the Thunder in the first round last year right yeah I remember Shay was driving at him

getting a foul every five seconds it was a hard time to be on Twitter as a Zach Ede believer it was not a good time for now for now it's looking like we're up I think it's gonna be up

for the rest of the regular season honestly right The regular season? Yeah. I'm not talking about the playoffs at all. Like the Grizzies fans should no longer have those levels of expectations. They should be wanting to be just competent.

And I think that's what Zach Edy provides. Exactly. Okay. What do you guys think about this comment from Janus? Janus believes he will be an all-time schooling leader in the next five years. I think when I'm going to be 35 years old and sitting in the chair,

we are going to have discussion how I am top list of all-time in scoring. Now, let's make something clear. He doesn't know anything about math. If Janus played every 82 games for next five years, he'd need to average 53 points for Gainers or fast LeBron. But, you know, math skills are no math skills. What do you think about the sentiment?

What do you think about the idea that Janus sees himself having longevity to be one of the all-time scores? Well, this is why Janus is great because he has that delusion, right? He has that irrational confidence that has allowed him to become one of the best players of all time. So shout out to him. I bet you in his mind, he's like, I probably can't get to 50. Yeah.

And he probably doesn't mean, like, number one. And he's probably just like, I'm going to be up there in the conversation, which I don't know. Everyone always talks about Janus is like probably not having longevity because he's like, athleticism base can't shoot. I can, I don't view it that way. He's putting the midi in his game. And he's like, listen, like, if I get two free throws here, right, I start out two jumpers here, I could get 81.

He's probably doing it. He's probably doing that math for you. I do think Yonis is a generation. athlete and leading on to what you said I could envision a world where he's averaging 25 at the age of 35 still but do I see him being an all-time leading score breaking those marks

that's a lot of buckets for a lot of years and I fear because he started off kind of slowish in his NBA career was a very much well like a project player and he didn't pop until what year four in the league for real I think it's very tough for him to be like top

I don't know top 20 but I don't envision him being closer to Marga Rosen status yet at all. I guess he top 20. Because, I mean, he scores a lot of points every year. Before the last two years, he didn't miss a whole lot of time. He's wrecked up. I don't know where he's at right now. If you tell me he ends up being top 10 back out for that, okay.

Okay. But it's pretty hard to be top five or top one that he wants. That's impossible. Shout out to Baste in Space for tipping $20. He said Janus got it easy. He is very large. He is. So Janus is 42 on the list right now.

Oh. With 21,000. Chris Paul is at 23,000. Step is at 22 Russ is at 26. How many you need to hit number 10? You need also Carmel is that number 10.

You need 28,289. To get 10? Yes. So you need 7,000 more points? Yeah. Oh, he's hitting 10. He could be top. How many points do you think?

How many points are you? Okay, so 7,000 points divide, let's say like 50 games. It would be extremely conservative. I'll say 62 times five times averaging 28 points per game that's 8,600 points okay he could do that I'm averaging 28 for the next is that what I said seven years or so I did five years five years that's that's pretty that's pretty high so maybe but even then he can he can he has a thousand to spare in this scenario so I think he can

get 10 okay so we need about eight more eight or nine more years of yannis and say we have like four more like prime prime years and then that last year and whatever's left gets you know, tailed off. Okay. He's about that. So, yeah, so we're asking Yannis to be honest until he's 34. I don't feel like that's crazy to ask.

I think he can do that. I think he can break in the top 10. And I'm going to trust that's a sentiment if he had a little bit longer to think about it and wasn't put on the spot. I bet he would say I'm going to get the top 10. Yeah, what else are you supposed to talk about? Not winning.

I'm winning no damn championships. Hey, talk about this. Talk about this. The Chicago Bulls have discussed train for Anthony Davis per Jamie Collier. Jamal Collier. Let's go do something. Do I want to see this?

I've been saying I wanted him to see him to do this. This is where I not only want, but I expect to see Anthony Davis played in the season. Yeah, no real team is giving up serious legitimate assets for someone like Anthony Davis at this age for what he's being paid. For two seconds, I thought about, yeah, like, can we offer them like someone like Porzingis who's done little to nothing for us, Hawks from? Yeah, I could do that. Those are the levels of conversation and assets that we're talking about at this point in time for Anthony Davis. He's a bowl. It should be ran.

You're going to offer Porzincas for Jared Allen and you're going to like it. Jared Allen. That's what you're going to get. No, I'm good. I think I'm good on that one. He's empty money. Yeah, I'm good on that one. Empty money for Jared Allen.

That's crazy. All right, we got to calm down a little bit. No, I'm saying like Chris. Who do you think you are? No, sorry to Jared Allen. No, shot it to Jared Allen. I'd rather have that empty salary of Porzingis at the end of the year so I can do whatever else of my assets.

Yeah, and what you're going to do those assets is get a Jared Allen type player. That's what you're going to hope. On Yeko, Congo is here and I'm not standing for disrespect. Okay. Calm down. Fair enough. That's a better answer. But yeah, I hope the Bulls can Anthony Davis.

I think it would be a good story. I don't really care to see Anthony Davis, like, contend. I'm scared about what the body looks like. Seeing him play for his hometown team and make them be pesky and better than people think, I'd be happy with that. It's cute. Why not, but what are they after? Because the Bulls have, not only, they've kind of, they had the fraud watch all over them.

You could smell it, seeing on. It's gone. It's completely gone. They're just frauds now. There's no longer a fraud watch. They are no longer favored to make the playoffs, according to Bet, USA. They have dropped in number 10. East, they're a 5-0, they're 4-9 since then.

We tried to tell you guys. We'll ignore that, Ed. But yeah, they have shown that they cannot defend. It was Fugazi, the 5-0 start. Might as well get AD. Yeah. I will say, one of the more, like, slightly disappointing storylines in the year is Modis Vazelis has not been popping at all, at least over these last few games, specifically.

Playing time is weird as well. He's not getting a lot of burn or necessarily being prioritized on offense. I simply do not see. I'm just noticing something slightly disappointing, but I still have hope. Well, to be a good disappointing. The Chicago Bulls are trying to follow the Indiana Pacer's formula

and believe they have their Tyree's Halliburton and Josh Giddy, and they're now searching for their Pascal Seaccom per the same, this is from the same report. That's AD. Yeah, that's AD. Exactly. So you have Halliburton, who's an All-Star

and you have Seacom. If Giddy can develop him to an All-Star and be what Howie was, when did we pull the trigger to get our Seaccom? Who is their dealer? Who is it? Who in the streets of Chicago serving like this? What? Just saying.

Probably a few people. But what's the funnier part of them thinking they need their Seacom or they're thinking that Tyree is Halliburton? I mean that Giddy is their Halliburton. It's easily, it's easily that Giddy is their Halliburton. Yeah. That's a hilarious.

That's the one. Because you could talk yourself into AD and be like, listen, he's been a number two option on the championship team before he's one of the best defenders in the league. We could just get him healthy. We're good. Like, AD is proven himself to be. at that caliber.

What Tyree Taliburton did last year was have one of the clutches playoff friends of all time and is one of the best floor raisers, one of the best pure point guards, right, that we have in the league. I do not think that Josh Giddy is like that. Now, unless the Bulls,

which obviously they do, they think every day, they have to wake up and be like, bro, we ran off on OKC. It's like, I can't believe we got Giddy. Ran off and they won a championship. They have to be thinking that in order to think that Josh Giddy is their Tyre's Halliburton. I guess, man.

I guess, man. Like, San Presi's so dumb, man. Yeah, just a funny sentence. I mean, I guess I see what they're talking about. They want to play fast like Halliburton did last year with the Pacers. They want to press in the full court and get out and run, get the ball on their big guard's hands and they create opportunities for others. Giddy can do that part. But it's evolutions to things.

Yeah, then you talk about everything I said. transition talk about the half court and they immediately have zero zero zero zero things alike yeah this is just hopes and aspirations uh selling the fans a dream continuously i respect it so that's a scam we're gonna scam do you respect it yeah for sure how about my team saying this fall into slums like them i don't really respect it give me something to hope for next thing we're gonna do we are going to play nba start bench cuts we are here on hoopgoat dot com we're gonna see a series of three players, we get to decide who to start, who to mention who to cut.

But we will not be deciding. Chat, you guys will be deciding. We'll be doing a series of polls where I'll send it in the chat and I'll pin it so you guys can keep going to it. We are going to do a poll where you guys can rank the options one through three and we will see what you guys think for each of these. I don't trust chat, man. I don't trust these crown eaters.

This is not their strong suit necessarily, man. So we're starting off with KG, Kyrie Irving, and Dwight Howard as the first one. And on this poll, I'm going to say we're not doing. through YouTube. I'm going to send a link in the chat that you guys are going to go to and keep refreshing. On this link, you'll be able to order it one through three to decide to order. So we're just doing all the start bench cut in one go. Okay. Yeah. So starting it now, I'm going to send the link in the chat. You guys go here. I'll pin it for you guys. Tell us what you think. What do you think they're going to do for this first one? This is obvious. I saw that

lineup right there and I thought of an answer within like two seconds, bro. There is a polar bear in Arlington right now. And he's screaming. roaring, bro, to be cut. So, we can vote too. We'll do one of many, but we can give ourselves a vote. Who are we doing first? Just like that. Don't do anything.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. You're cutting Dwight? I don't think, I think he had a crowningeter moment. Cut is number three. No, never mind. It's worse. We are going to out of vote you. We are benched Dwight.

We are benched Dwight very easily and we're cutting this shit out of Kyrie. Sorry, Kyrie. Sorry, man. Now let's view the results. so far through 49 seconds KG is winning number one to be started with a resounding blowout Okay

94 votes so far they are Listen Kyrie versus Dwight is kind of close Why is it close? We're cutting the most skilled player Of all time A lot of these guys were born in 2012 2013 what are we doing right now Listen man

56 points right now for Dwight 45 for Kyrie refresh 759 you guys are still staying around the same ratio Could you either you like build up a real case and argument for Kyrie. Fuck no. No, I can't, no.

I mean, if I had to put my mind in the body of, I would say being a guard is more important than a modern NBA than a big. You can't run offense through a big. You can't run offense through a guard. That's legit. No, he's more important than a bucket. Offense is more important than defense. You got to be talking to an idiot.

You can't play Kyrie off the floor offensively. You got the right idiot. You got the right idiot. Who you want to take the last shot? Nothing more important than taking the last shot. Buckets, buckets, buckets. But that being said, obviously, Dwight. Dwight Howard had Michael Peters taking the last shot.

Give me Kyrie. And it is close. We're here now. I keep refreshing. We're at 73 points to 68 points. Kyrie, let's go. Come on. Y'all, don't do this.

I don't know if anybody wants to, you know, like, adhere to the argument I just laid out for a very smart fan. But, you know, you guys have about 10 seconds left to try to catch Kyrie up. Oh, you're only done by five points. This is Loki and goes. Yo, what would Kyrie's legacy be without that championship in 2016? Let's have a conversation here. Let's have a real conversation here What would really what would Dwight Howard's legacy be

If his back and give out on him The square middle was prime What would Dwight Howard's the legacy be If he didn't have all those DPOIs Oh my God All those DPOIs Do 75 to 74 They're making it close

Now now we're just taking away Important parts of the Take away one important part Let's see who's Hey high is standing up We all we have 140 votes Oh my God it's tied now Are y'all doing this for the meme at this point

All right y'all just want to see a comeback Please I almost stopped it 20 seconds ago But they're I got to give the chance we can come back the future of america is bleak we're at 142 votes right now we're gonna get to 150 so only eight people can vote now and then we'll stop it yo basketball discourse in 10 years just saying to be in hell 79 six votes left kairi's winning by two now kairi yo please i need more voters and karee's a real hooper sure yes four votes left kairies ahead

by four the kairie fans are covered out the woodworks oh 149 157 it's over kairie wins by five I rigged it. I rigged it. Kevin Garnett starts. Chiari's bed. Charii hi. What a comeback. They got to be trolling, man.

And you know, hey, listen. That's actually crazy. I really was just playing, but I got on board. This is lit. The children won, as somebody in the chat said. 49% of people agree with you, though. This is the most common vote on hoopgo.com.

49%, 34% of people did what we wanted to do and put Dwight Howard's seconds. We got to start implementing a system where we ID people before they're able to vote. Got to share IDs. Email us. Your IDs first. and then you're allowed. No, you want a big brother, people like 1984? We've got to eliminate them before they can talk.

Yes. All right, next up, let's go to the next one. We got Amari Stademeyer, Sean Kemp, and Chris Bosch. Wow. I'm going to refresh the poll right now. You guys can use the same link. I got to go through and refresh it with the new names. These guys are probably going to be perplexed.

After Chris Bosch, they're not going to know what to do. Look at Amari, who? Camp, these crannies and never seen Sean Kemp play. So we got Bosch, Kemp, and Amari. What are your guys' thoughts? What are we going to do for our vote? I will go Bosch. You can convince me Amari.

Okay, poll is reset now, guys. You guys can go back here now. Bosch Amari Kemp? Amari's underrated. Yeah, I think I would. But also flawed. But none of these guys are great defenders. Yeah.

I think I'd rather have Amari than Kemp. I don't, camp is hard for me to gauge in NBA history just because it's such a unique playstyle as a big slasher in a unique time where I don't know be better or worse today because today he'd be a

high pick and role partner probably playing more center there'd be insane space for him to roll he'd probably be the most unstoppable role threat in the NBA by far we saw a couple of years

of Omar you saw Omar being that exactly with Dean Nash more legitimate and Bosch maybe the best defender here

but it's not like Bosch was a great defender by any means he has spacing these other guys don't for the modern NBA I yeah I'm gonna give Bosch one because I do

I'm not putting Bosch one I'm a good You think, I'm only in Kemp one. What? I mean, Kemp was an integral part of finals run just like Bosch was. Bosch was a third option, which obviously played a big role. Kemp was the go-to score on the Supersonics that were making the finals. Like Payton was obviously, I don't know if producer again.

I don't remember in those runs who was actually a leading score. But Payton was obviously, you know, defender, facilitator. It could score. But I think Kemp was there, like, go-to leading score, if I remember correctly. I think Kemp is number one. I think I would still lean Bosch, though. I think Bosch Bosch and his

versatility and the fact that like we did and obviously I'm biased because I grew up watching Bosch and like seeing the evolution in his game I think he would love Sean Ken would be watching growing up probably you would adore Sean Ken talking on people but like he has some of like the greatest things

of all time but I think seeing Bosch go from like I can score and give you 20 and 10 every single night and be this mid post face up guy and get my buckets any way that I need to to I am this third option I can allow the I can't allow the defense to be switchable I can

extend my range I can knock down threes do all that stuff like so we started in Bosch benching Amari cutting Kemp? Is that what you guys want to do? Amari is underrated I mean if Kemp was on if Amari was in Kemp spot in the Sonic team they'd probably submit the finals it's not like Kemp was carrying like that so I could buy the argument that you want to say Marry's one more skilled

Yeah I don't know Do you think Kemp would be able to Or Amari be able to lead that same team to the finals Yeah but Gary Payton yeah I think you do the same things. Amari's like almost equal. Our Amari might be an even better finisher than camp Amari's amazing.

It's tough. Okay, it doesn't really matter what we think. We'll just do this just to see, see the results now, see what chat's been doing while we've been yapping, giving our opinions. Results. Chat, you guys said Bosch Biden and a meal by a massive margins. And you guys put Amari to slightly over camp.

That makes sense. Amari versus Kemp is a very close debate. Okay. Yeah, okay. Amari's slightly better than camp. Fair, but they're clearly close. But you guys, Bosch by. of resounding margin okay

that is probably because nobody grew up watching these other two I don't think it's crazy to do Bosch but I think it's closer than this 200 that's a lot of points for Bosch yeah so I wish I could see that yeah chat said how do I join look at the pin in the chat on YouTube the live stream link is right there

a straw poll we'll go ahead and put that here now so okay boss starting Amari benched Kemp cuts damn 40% people agreed 31% put Kemp seconds But everybody pretty much put Bosch number one I feel like it's turn we're going to see The oldest dude is always going to get cut pretty much Pretty much

Next up John Stockton Chris Paul Steve Nash Ooh this is good Okay so three of the greatest guards of all time Very easy for me Yeah very we know it's very easy for you So reset in the poll now

We got Nash Is that easy for you? Oh I just know your feelings about one of these guys I know it's not even a thought for you I think Outside of a outside of who we're putting three I think one and two is going to be hard

yeah one and two is a debate you got a what two time back to back MVP and Steve Nash someone who obviously like a heavy influence in how the leagues played today for CP3 two way guy all around point guard

been doing it for a long time but never really got it done to the highest degree never did Steve Nash but doesn't have any major accolades along his name I think we keep it the same order I think we go Nash 1, CP3, 2, Stockton 3. But I know, obviously, every time we talk about John Stockton, there's people that are calling us,

y'all sleep on Stockton. He's the most underrated player of all time. And then some people think John Stockton is the most overrated player of all time. There's really no middle ground and opinions on John Stockton. So I think we're either going to see him number one or number three. There's no chance he's number two. Yeah, that's not happening. Let's see what everybody says.

Doing the queue now. Let's see the results. Results are CP3 over NAS. by a good amount. Okay. I think people sleep on Nash and I think it's because you fell shocked.

I think people sleep on Nash and it's mostly because the only reason young fans think about him is he stole MVPs from Kobe and shit like that and people just like accepted as truth even though there is nuance to that and I think just like

those were deserving MVPs and the young people see the point guards today that average 30. They see Troy Young averaging 27 and they're like Steve National average 18 points per game and one fucking MVP this guy's a bum

this one 2010 is for fucking fake and they'll think all this Steve Nash is one of the most gifted engines of all time. Steve Nash is incredible, one of the best playmakers. Everything we love Halberton for in terms of his style of playmaking leading to good offense better than like a Tray Young style where maybe he's a little more ball pounding. Steve Nash is the OG of that.

One of the most efficient scores at all three levels. Everything he did was conducive to winning. Someone in the chat says CP3 defense moves me. True. I think for that exact reason right there, for me personally, I'd rather have him over Steve Nash. But Steve Nash is not a bad choice at all, obviously. Yeah, the defense is that's a fair argument.

Yeah. But then people were going to say John Stockton's all the time and leader in steals. Why don't you care about his defense? Steals, nice. That's what we're grading to. Well, he wasn't a good defender too.

He wasn't a bad defender. Yeah. Now I ask him about the scoring and we will have a different conversation. That does not move me at all. But this is pretty cut and dry. Chad's going CB3. Wow, John Stock,

the fact that these two top of you both have 180 points. Nobody voted for stock. I don't think we're going to see lower point average than 41. That's crazy. So it's CP3 is better than stock than at everything. Time to tell you guys.

We're doing. with the 90s. Apparently in the 2000s, 2, 42% of people agree that this is the right order. Okay. This one's obviously understandable. Ooh, current day players.

Jalen Brown, Tyrese Halliburton, Carl Anthony Towns. Kagan, cut! You don't belong here. Where are we going with that? Jalen Brown, Tyrese, and Katz. All right, so I, Tyrese is one for me.

The way Jaylen Brown is playing right now, two. He can score as number one option. He proved that. And then, Cat. You don't want to, like, fight for Cat at all? What do you mean? I think, listen, Cat is not having the best season so far.

It's not going great. He's had moments, but, you know, we're still getting there. It's okay. But the most efficient score here. We're obviously starting Tyrese, right? Yeah. Yeah. And Jay Beaver's Cat is interesting.

I think you could argue that Kat's more talented or better in a ranking or whatever. But I think it would be pretty hard to, if you're building a team and like knowing what we need for every position, it would be kind of hard to take Kat over J.B with the defensive deficiencies. Yeah, I think Kat was more talented as a day one score in the league, but as time has gone on and as JV's like refined his game all around and added a few more layers. So it was in between game.

Obviously his reputation of the defender has been up and down, but it's been way more up compared to Kat. Yeah, I'm starting J.B or benching JV. Yeah, I think so too. I think I'm cutting Kat. But I think that might be a close result. Let's see. Shouldn't be.

Nope, it's not close at all. Damn, 26 points. And you know why? Because this is our chat. They know. We groom them well. This is not a pro-cat fan base. Our TD3 viewers do not love Carlton Towns.

You know, I don't think they love Jaylon Brown either. But I think we've made it clear to them. Maybe they've learned through your biases from before Cat was on your team, how much you hated him. Listen, man. Listen, somebody said that cat has a better hairline, which is true. Which is true. shout out to

shout to that he does have that that's shit yeah Donovan he said that's sick yeah there's no argument at all Chad said Donovan groom them

over that rant over that rant I didn't know such thing you know what on the side man but he said over that rant and he's talking about the rant when you said if Crompton Town is straight to your team

you're going to burn down Massachusetts regarding or something yeah okay I said I'd take a year off that's 115 votes I like cat only has 26 points. This is quite the blowout, as expected.

So, Tyrese Halliburton, welcome to our starting lineup. Jim Brown, welcome to our bench. Kat, welcome to being cut. Damn. 47% people agree. Okay, tat. Next up, Kevin Durant, Dwayne Wade, Nicola Yochich. This is interesting.

We just did that video where I had you guys name as many players you can that were better than Yokic. Oh, yeah. And in that video, Mo had to go and he had to try to get to 15, which is obviously very difficult. Yep. And you said, Dwayne Wade, and you also said Kevin Durant. And when you said Kevin Durant, I said, I don't know, I think

I'm probably going to lean Yokish was all said and done. I didn't argue with you about Dwayne because I just wanted you to get to 15. So I was like, I'm not going to argue about every single one.

And the comments, let me hear it. Oh, I asked me put Yokish twice. Yeah. They were like, how dare you allow him to put weight above Yokich? Yeah.

That is a little bit crazy. For a singular year, wasn't that crazy. For your absolute peak, wasn't too crazy. All right, chat. It is now refreshed. I actually put you two Yokhers

at first, but I fix it. So go ahead again. So Katie Wade Yokich. So obviously I think you should probably have Yolch's one. Him versus K.D. It's going to be a tough debate. 20 years from now.

Maybe Yokish plays himself into clear top 10 conversations all time, which is clearly possible if he stacks up more jewelry. If he doesn't and say he retires with one ring and all the Mvips in the fucking world, I feel like Katie versus Yovych

is going to be like an all-time debate for like 10 and 11 or whatever. It might be, especially because I really do want to know how Katie is perceived like 10 years from now. Yeah. When we get away from everything, like because obviously we have the whole the conversation of like we went to go to the state

and he did that and like there's all of that stuff that like people kind of ours care about but like once you get past that is history going to remember that like are they still going are they still going to kind of hold that against him yeah because if they if they do then yokech is going to win that but if they don't that i think you look at kd and he's going to get he's the greatest score like greatest peer score of all time two time two you know two time funny two time champ everyone's said that and like people said in the beginning then the narrative switched to soft you're not the bus driver you're a punk whatever i think the reality's probably closer to he's like one of the best ever like i think we might underrate that these days just how perfect of a basketball player he is

you know in like terms of like the he could shoot dribble finish pass by defense all these check boxes yeah i think we probably underrate that right now i think we've taken that for granted a little bit and i can see 20 years from now people don't have the stink of the warrior saying nobody cares anymore they might watch those 2014 highlights and be like this is god yeah exactly i think we're to be far away from the narratives and look at him as an individual and the body of work in terms of what he was able to actually to, what he was able to actually able to do on the court in terms of how good of a connector piece that he was back in 2017, 18, how his defense was all NBA worthy for a certain moment in time, fake conversations, but he was

in defensive player of the year conversations. So are we cutting weight, even though 06 happened and 06 Wade is one of the best players of all time, winning a championship that young? For the sake of longevity. Now we're kidding, Katie. No, you're insane It's funny to KKKD Yeah

Just because our result Doesn't matter that much It's funny Yeah, I guess so So let's see what Chats said This is what we're really here for I don't know why we're giving y'all Our opinions

Wow, chat completely slaughtered Dwayne Wade Nice, exactly how it should be Yolkage is running away With the 125 votes Almost 200 points I did I saw some

Because after After your team Fake recreated the D Wade to LeBron Fake Yeah he didn't like We did it in Philly too. No other team was able to like actually. He didn't do that on purpose.

But I saw a Duane Wade like highlight tape today this morning. I was like, man, that's, that's special. That's, that's different. 56% of people agree with this. This is the biggest margin we've seen. I don't think we've seen anything higher than 56. No, KG. Oh, what was that? I forgot. I don't know. But the KG, KG blew them out of the water. Okay, you're probably right. Yeah. But yeah. But yeah, 56% are cutting Duane Wade. Again, oldest player here is getting cut every time. We know what's up. The trend has followed. Yeah, I was lying. But oh my God. You're making you're making me look bad. Katie and Wade is a debate though.

So that's a little tough peak for peak, but no surprise. The old guy gets cut. Victor Wimonyama, Joellen Beat, and Grant Hill. I wonder who's going to get cut. Let's chat. Everybody at their peak. So imagine the best version of everybody. Don't hold 2025 Jewel and beat against him.

Shreet MVP, Joellen B for what he was versus Wemby and Grant Hill, if you know anything about him. But I know y'all don't. So I'm going to reset the poll real quick. Your chat is hilarious, man. The trend continues. Guys, put Grant Hill one. Show Grand Hill.

No, don't ring it. Let them think for themselves. Show Grand Hill some respect. I dare you. I dare you to show Grand Hill respect. I triple dog dare you to show Grand Hill. So chat to chat, the poll is refreshed. Joelle, Wemby versus Hill.

I mean, we're going to Joel number one, right? Yes. Wimby's going to get there, but Joel's one. Wimby's two, Grant Hill. Actually, is Wimby 2 over Prime Grant Hill? Do we just get Wemby better for the doubt? Like, he's going to be better than Grant Hill. Right now, right now, you can say,

Listen, both of them in their primes, both of them were having injury issues, health issues. I'm taking Wembe. Prime. Grand Hill was eight. That's a little prime before the prime. Yeah, I mean, Grant Hill is obviously very underrated, but, like, Winby is like, we know what whenby's about to be. We're already starting to see it.

We haven't seen it for playoff runs yet. So, Gran Hill probably deserves the nod, I guess, in terms of like what he's proven because it won't be so young. And you know, we'll say at their peak. Technically, we don't know what the peak of Wembe is. So I guess Wembe has to be third time. We haven't seen the peak yet. Yeah.

I think Grant Hill. He was third in MVP back in 97. Average 21, 9 and 7. All around fantastic point forward. We'll give it to Grant Hill because nobody else in chat is going to. I haven't seen the results. I guarantee you Grant Hill has less than 40 points.

Put Grant Hill one. I guarantee you has less than 40 points. Let's see the results. This might be discussing. Real discussing out here. Oh, no. Grant Hill is 82 points. Oh, wow.

Listen, because Donovan rigged the votes, he told him to give him some respect. Yeah. But look how close Joelle and Bean. I guarantee you didn't say that, he might have gotten to a little. votes. Y'all hate Joelle and Bede so much.

I'll stop. I'll stop. Yeah. Y'allel L'embe so much. It's ridiculous. Damn, it's this close to Juelan Bina and Wemby? How quickly we forget. Come on now, man. How quickly we free. I don't even want to see Joelle and B has played 40 games. We're not even going to do that when it's versus Wemby, who clearly hasn't played a full season yet. He also gave Wemby 70.

Well, granted when B was young, but, and this is the one conversation I'm not trying to hear no fucking. He doesn't play games. I don't care. Seventy's ridiculous. That's such a nightmare thing. to experience is the number one overall pick trying to figure shit out and you got this fucking 300 pound African dude just hit you with all types of spins, Hezies, and

all that, bro. Why does the African? This matter? 70? Crazy. If you was non-African, would it make it less scary? I'm worried if he's phone, calling him by whatever he's fun, but it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. So if he's in Detroit would you know, you got this Detroit guy, give you 70?

Oh yeah, you guys are real close. There's no weight, Wembe Push. It's still, Joel and Bitas, I'm refreshing. Donovan will spit his water Yeah, Joelle and Bede Do you think he'll take the He'll take the title For most underrated player of all time

Do you think history is remember him following me? It depends, no Okay, not note to the same question But I think that I think James Hardin is probably going to get that knot Fifty four percent of people Put Wendy over Joel and Bede Yo!

Hey, fuck off Yo, Wimble, you're all born Yo! Donovan's over a text Texting in the chat, too, right? No. This is election fraud. I love this.

I love this. Hoopgoat.com, we're learning a lot about you and your clientele today. We're learning a lot about the average age of your fandom right now. I love this. This is crazy. That's right. And B did nothing for you. We're going to do one more chat.

One more. See you guys get it right. Oh, we got all the whites to close it out. Alfred Insengoon, Chris House Borgengis, and Chet Holmgren. This is fun. We have a pasty battle. to finish out this video. I'm going to go right now.

That's how I'm going to look at it from this perspective. So I would go Sangoon. Okay. Then I would go Chet. And now I will go Porsingus. Yeah. Prozingus just be out way too often, bro.

No, Porzingis isn't the defender Chet is and damn sure isn't the offensive player that Sangoon is. So there's no debate for who's getting cut. We're leaving. We're leaving KP3. The first two years of KP though, special. even if it was year two's

KP he's still being cut I think He has never stood a chance Actually I don't know maybe prime KP We have at that point he was young Had a lot better him for the doubt He didn't keep getting better So maybe he would be in the conversation So I think I've been anticipating this a lot

When we get to our Christmas episode We ranked top 30 players Shangoon versus Chet Shingoon has elevated to being a legit offensive hub Now that he has KD there Now he's enough shooting to let the offense go He is a legit primary creator And Chet is obviously one of the best defensive players

in the world while being a secondary Like role player offensively that's going to be a debate forever who you'd rather have again that just comes down to like personal preference yeah and i think for the longest i've given the singoon the slight edge there's no real wrong answer he has he's been a chat hater for a little while now that's why he said that it's a side of the face you made he's not a gooner but he's a chat hater not a chat hater at all yeah he's not a real gooner someone go over here they're saying that that singgoon is a gooner yeah have y'all witnessed it what gives you the right to say he's a gooner oh just reading phonetics guys are sung goon watch i think that's that's i think that's Before, obviously, you guys know my stance on this.

I've been very pro-chat in this debate. The gooner has elevated enough that it's clearly, you can pick Shen-Gun now. It's not crazy to me whatsoever. He's still not quite as good of a score enough for me to, like, say it has to be Shang-Goon. You can still pick the primary defender and role player in Chet, and there's still a very good argument. But I definitely see the offensive value of why you might prefer Shang-Gun for building a team.

But I'm picking Chet. It's close. So close. Right now I'm picking, I'm picking the gooner. Yeah. Okay, you're deciding vote? For this season at this point, yeah, I'll pick the Gooner. Okay.

At this point, this season, Shen Guna's had so many hot games shooting 40% from three still, I think, that we can give

them that for now. Yeah. He deserves it. He deserves it. But that's, this is going to be debate forever, I think. They should have put

Evan Moldings in here instead of KP, KPs. Yeah, but we know the whites. And this, yep, the results are exactly what you think. Shengoon won. Doesn't the goon squad

came through. They did. Chet, clearly, KP has 26 votes. 26 points. Jeez, man. The Turkish gooners.

Now, Chet's going to win DPOY, assuming Wemby doesn't come back and play up games, that will do a lot for his reputation. I wonder how this is going to be in the summer if, especially to go back to back to back, DPUI and a back to back team versus Schengun, who might be all NBA

because they're going to be like the second seat or third seed. What the Rockets went out in the first round? Nah, man. Well, that would suck for Shangoon's for Sengu's reputation. For everyone, man. But okay, you guys went, Shangoon number one, Shet number two, KP, a distant number third, and 65% of people agree.

That makes sense. That's going to be the thing right now with how Hachangoon is right now. That is such a disparity. 65%. It's a little bit too much. But y'all got it, Chad. People also hate Chet because one, he played in the finals with the broken hip

and was missing all those dunks looking bitch made. So people have that in their brains. And like, they also hate OKC. So they hate Chay, so they hate him by proxy. They hate the glazers like you too. Admit it. Get to that point faster. Yeah, they hate everything about OKC.

So Chad has a lot working against him. Yeah. If Chet was on the Wizards, getting buckets, just like being the primary center. Vives about him would be. So different. 100% Like he's playing

Power Forward, which obviously is not his best scoring position, like sacrificing production for the team. If Chet was out there trying to farm numbers

on a different team, it would be a way different conversation. They just call him skinny. They still call him a bitch. He's still white and people wouldn't like him. Combrae.

But that is the last one. Chat, we appreciate y'all coming through. That was a great segment. That is the end of this stream. On 6th of lockdown. We will see y'all on Friday for this week's episode.

Spoiler for the first Power and Rinkings episode of the season. It's go be juicy. Juicy. Yes. That's what's going to be? So many conversations.

I'll show you why they'll be juicy. I don't want to see your juice. And we'll see y'all on Friday. Have a good night chat.