The Deep 3 Podcast - Reacting To Weekend 1 Of The NBA Season! | TD3 Live

Episode Date: October 27, 2025

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today's a great day do you know why tell me why because we are going to begin a new episode today a new live stream here with the chat and we're going to begin with everybody's favorite thing to talk about my favorite thing to talk about your favorite thing to talk about i know what your favorite thing to talk about what is it the los angeles lakers we have news about america's team we have news about victor woman yama america's a superstar or i guess i say frances super star it seems like he's a sensation of america these days so much to talk about talking about the first week of basketball. This week was beautiful, man. This is everything I needed. Yep. Yeah. It was so fulfilling. After, after months of just nonsense, there's actual basketball being

played. And it's peak basketball, too. Like, everyone's playing at a high level. We got random, like, insane rookie performances, elite rookie class. All the young ascending stars are going crazy too. Couldn't ask for better as a basketball player. Chat is going crazy. Y'all are spamming late. You're talking about whether or not we're here on time when you need to be talking about our Lord and Savior, Austin Reeves. I'm not seeing enough Austin Reeves. I'm not seeing enough awesome Reeves glazed in the chat compared to Likes. I mean, compared to Lates. Did you know Dalton Connect was on the Lakers?

Sadly. I didn't know. Sadly, we'll talk about that a little bit. It's tough. For every good white, we get one bad one. It is what it is. Sometimes things go well in the world. Sometimes they don't.

We have perfectly balanced with our ratio of good to bad whites. There you go. You add in Luca and Cleba. We are perfectly balanced. Okay. Okay. But like I said, we'll start off with talking about some Lakers talk. And we're not going to talk about the best core in the Lakers right now.

We're going to talk about the second best score. And that is because Luca and the second best score. and that is because Luca Donchich is out for at least one week with a left finger sprain and lower left lake contusion this came out yesterday morning before their game against the Sacramento Kings which as a Lakers fan I said oh fuck here we go again him and LeBron bolt out we're going to go 0 and 5 over the next week it's going to be annoying to dig out of this hole

and then Austin Reeves gave belt to ass to the king first of all yeah shout out to Reeves right white boys whooping you're about to get paid shout out to you do everything that you need to do to secure that back for the Lakers for Luka though it is true it's like damn once again like this is awful like yeah i i don't care if it's just one week we are three games into the season two games really into the season for Luca and you're already out a majority of the Lakers are out tonight like everybody's just hurt and so if i'm looking if i'm a lakers fan also rives you are you

what you said is correct he is your savior right now my real question is okay this came out before the Sacramento Kings game. When did he get hurt? When did he get injured? You know, right before he was trying to, he was trying to go ahead and score 50 towards the end of the, what's called? Who are they playing in? The Timberwolves game on?

The Timberwolves, yes. And he was like really fishing for that. Didn't end up happening. He was in the game much longer than he probably should have been in. They were like kind of clining around with him, joking around with him and the sidelines are like, he's caught 50, whatever, stat pattern. Why are you trying to score 50 when you're like kind of hobbling? Is it the adrenaline that didn't you, that didn't like necessarily settle in?

I'm not liking this agenda you're pushing here. Because he's not a winning player. I'm just noticing something. That's all. You cannot win with him. The good thing is I watch the game. You cannot play with him. Second play of the game, you heard his finger.

And he was like, running back into the court like five times. And then he just locked you in and dealt with it. Which is crazy because he heard it on the second play of the game. Almost dropped 50 despite having a fucked up hand that apparently mad to make him set out for a week. So all I'm hearing is the timbrewerals are fraud. And Luke is the best doing with one hand. No. He was that patent, man.

They tried and they failed, so they didn't stat pad. I don't want to hear anything about attempted stat pad. It didn't go that way, so we're not going to put in the record books. I think it's even worse. It's terrible when you try to stat pad and you fail at it. That's what makes it way worse. It's like, all right, you just did all that cardio for nothing, man. Shout out to I have avocado for tipping $15.

He said, sorry, Isaac. The only Lord and Savior that exists in life is Poppy Brunson. Rick Brunson? Pobby Brunson. I ain't ever heard of what? Why you beat your test, too? What are those signals? Hand signs.

What's going on, man? You know what's going on. shout out to you but yeah look out for the week they have a pretty tough schedule but they already won one game being the kings last night we talked about awesome reason crazy they couldn't guard him hit a million free throws that's a tough schedule yeah everybody everybody's complaining well they because i'll say tough schedule after this because now that the second half of back to back today they're playing the trailblazers who have been very competent tough out any night and they're playing without marcus smart without who else gave vincent which whatever and lucca and lebron and jackson

Hayes. They have seven roster players available plus their three two way players. I can't imagine they win tonight. If they do, holly fucking looia. Because after that way, the Timberwolves, who have another injury we'll talk about in a little bit. And then a few other games later in the week, Luca might miss up to four games. So I don't know if that affects how you view the Lakers coming into this early playoff race, but it's a pretty decent amount of time. No, because I feel like, I don't know, especially with, so like with the Timberwolves missing like their start that obviously we're going to get to, you know, what's going on with them, but everybody in the league is going to go through their, through their stretches where

somebody gets hurt, somebody misses like a week, a week and a half. So it's, it's fine. But this, they are, they should lose tonight. Like this lineup is, is crazy. Like, Reeves, LaRavia, Vando, Ruy Aton, Brianne Connected, and then two-way guys. Dude, Manning came on the court in his last game. I didn't know who that was. I said, what? Who am I looking at? I missed a two-way signing for the Lakers. I guess it happens. But I was like, who is this guy? He looks so generic. Watching him dribble was, not ready dribble.

It was an experience. But he was hustling. He shot, didn't go in. But I was like, okay, look at him running around. Next few games, you guys got the Blagers, like you said. Teas was like you said, the Grizzlies or the NBA Cup. Started that as really soon. And then the Miami Heat.

You know what's look great in this game besides Austin Reeves? Tell me. Dominating. Locked up, Demontas,abonis. he couldn't get anything going one-on-one on him, use his length well. People were talking about, why did Sabonis kill Anthony Davis for all these years when you played him? You know, there's a stat that the Lakers couldn't beat the Kings when it was Subonis versus AD.

And the first game out here, Aiden is looking good in the post defending him, out rebounding him, getting his game off whenever he wants, getting his middies off. And that's because DeAndre Aden is long as hell. He said, I'm going to walk in. I'm going to change his narrative immediately. Yeah, I would be very afraid if he wasn't able to dominate the Sacramento Kings with a notable big man defenders and Domana's a bonus. Very worried.

He did what we were supposed to do. Look how quick they switch up. First he's a bum and I'm going to be out now. I mean, that's what you do. He's like very good for two straight games. In that second game, you saw the moment where him and Luca were like, I understand it now. They got their pick and roll game going. Aids are pretty good through two games.

We'll see how it looks getting increased responsibility now with even more players out. But I've been very encouraged by what I've seen from him. To be fair, it was easy for me to be encouraged. But I think everybody should be a little bit. Yeah, it's, well, one, even if you don't believe in like the long term stuff just the just the improvement from game one to game two is obviously that you can look at and be like okay

you're getting better so that's that's one thing two if you are a Aitin skeptic as I am we can sit back and just say yeah you're fine in game three what are you going to look like in game 42 right and I can just lean on that for the next 30 something games but it does it obviously like is going to look good and the obviously for Aiton's skeptics or haters and the people who will like pray on his downfall, you're going to look at them and you're going to, you're going to watch the Lakers over the next couple of games without Luca and obviously without LeBron.

And so then that connection with Reeves and aid is really going to be put to the test and you're going to see their, their chemistry thrive long term. That is kind of scary because now you have some time where your secondary playmaker or, you know, tertiary, whatever, whenever LeBron comes back, wherever Reeves hangs in that hierarchy. Yeah. Now he has time to have that mind meld with Aitin like Luca and like LeBron. So Aitin is set up for like the rest of the season to have good outings and to have good chemistry with really everybody who is a primary dribbler on this team. Chad, let me see from 1 to 10. How good is DeAndre Aiden? Yeah, this is all important that you're talking about because LeBron James is still going to be out for another three weeks. So yeah, you know, everyone talked about when it's happened, all the silver linings because you get to get Luca Dantra's going, get DeAndrean going, get Austin Reed's going. Lots of time to get more silver linings.

That's where we've got to hope for it to see when you come. Everyone says 67. Six or seven. That's funny as well. This is going to happen every time I mention anything about give us a rating. It's all 6-7 or negative 14, negative 12, negative 17. Negative 67. Yeah, so TBD, but so far, pretty good start to an underman Lakers team.

We'll talk about them coming forward in this week's episode where we talk about one thing we learned about every team. On another injury note, the team they're going to be facing on Wednesday, Anthony Edwards, out for two weeks with his own right hamstring injury. After starting off the season, ridiculous. I said on the first episode we reacted to the first games that he looked like a superhero, looked even more superhero-like in game two. He looked crazy before going out early in game three, ruining his points for game averages, going from 36 to 25 because he only played a few minutes.

And not only ruining that, ruining my chance to dominate and get to a thousand points of my fantasy basketball team this week. listen I needed aunt to show up he did not he only got six points for me and for my personal team this is terrible but also this this obviously sucks because night one night one drops dropped 40 hits the game winner or game clincher and a lot of it got overshadowed because like wendy did exactly you know like wendy did what he does and he's continued to do those things over the first three games but aunt and the tim wolves have just they were continuing to be steady and aunt we were seeing an improvement in another you know leap from him so the fact that he's going to be out for the next

couple weeks i'm so interested to see what they look like because we we were banking on like the young guys making the making the leap and helping everybody you know like rise up and keep this the ship steady now it really is going to be like all right julius man you get another two two three weeks to carry yeah yeah like all the pressure is on terran shannon junior it's your time to fucking shine bones highland who's been getting a lot of burn and help them carry carry them to the end of that game against Indiana Pacers. It's your time to shine. He's been so surprising.

I know he was going to be somewhat of an important player for them. But he's that Dante da Vincienzo already like, I don't know what it is, but this is like second straight year to a bad start, really bad start selling games. Look like he was on very much Terry Rose's year timing for whatever reason. That level of bad. All the pressures on their young guys when it comes to trying to like make up for all the output loss to Anthony Edwards was. Question.

has the Terry stuff gotten so serious that we can't be like yeah you you look like you're on Terry Tommy yes yes probably you got me fucked up you think we're gonna stop making jokes about it though like there's no world we give a fuck they just gave us new ammo are you crazy right we never had this before it is that serious and we also went outside joking about it because we did not work for the NBA who cares like for Adam silver I it's very serious for us it's comedy goals okay yeah I have some concerns about the Timberwell's roster I did before the season

I think I ranked him the lowest out of us in the standings I'll save those thoughts until we get this next episode give a few more games to see what they look like without Anthony Edwards especially with him missing some time

I'm a little bit concerned about their supporting cast and I'll say the defensive personnel around Ant and Gobert it's looking a little rough yeah it's spooky

listen this just means go get buckets man go who and like that's that really is going to be the thing because you're right like without without Ant there I have no idea

who's who's really locking up who's guarding and it's going to look very similar to like 2018 29 did they get traded in 2019 like late stage Utah Jazz where it's Gobert and they're asking him to do everything Ew what you just said Gorbear and ask

him to do everything that's disgusting I'm sorry The Gobert Julius Randall two men game will feed families Bones Highland this is your time to fucking And the families that will be fed are the people in In Los Angeles, they get free tacos when we go bare miss just two straight free throws. That's the families that will be fed.

Okay, let's go on to another big story. Something that actually really want to talk about. The Boston Celtics have their worst start as a team since the 2013, 2014 season. They are 0 and 3 in this young NBA season. Winless, led by the Derek White, Jalen Brown combination with no big men, no Jason Tatum, but apparently we're still going to compete. Thus far, they are not competing. This looks like one of the worst brands of basketball I've seen.

my entire life. Seeing how, like, dire they are with Jason Tatum, of course, I already knew Jason Statenham was, like, one of the greatest players that the NBA has to offer, one of the best playmakers at that position so entirely important that I feel like now in my mind he gets even more of a boost, seeing how, like, juiceless, swaggerless, stale this offense looks without him. Seeing Jalen Brown struggle to dribble and seeing Derek White try and force their way into just creation plays the lack of juice is disgusting it's so sad and jaylon brown did have 40 points

in the last game they lost it doesn't matter and i think it's interesting to talk about them because they are bad as of now three three games obviously a small sample size so we're not proclaiming anything for the rest of the season you know but as currently constructed they are not a good team i think the idea of these guys taking on more usage by nature of no tatum and then being relatively fine was built on the fact that joe mazouzao plays a style of basketball with the heavy two-point volume that I think gives you a higher floor than a lot of other teams do without their best player, especially a player as good as Jason Tatum and as responsible for the playmaking is Jason Tatum. So it was kind of assumed these guys could take another leap, right? Especially

because people talk about Derek White as being like almost all-star level role player, it just made sense of people's heads that they could take that jump. But then you look at the big man group, then you look at Jalen Brown and how his game, I don't think scale is super high. He can do what he does. He can still go out and get 40. He's not going to take a plane making jump. No, it's just not going to do his skill sets. And I get you to a point now, we're through these three games. I'm going to show you some rankings, try not to cry, try not to be left aghast, 18th in offensive rebounding, 30th in defensive rebounding, 29th in total rebounding, 30th and assist percentage, 24th in true shooting percentage, 21st in offense, and 23rd in defense.

Yeah, they're a walk and lick, they can't do nothing. And this theory, this didn't work out. And this was very predictable. Like I had them at eight in our predictions, and a lot of that was just like overall, like, you know, respect and a belief in that system and in the idea that on a nightly basis, you are going to get more threes than, you know, basically almost everybody that, that you play. But I never thought that they were going to be great because their team over the last, like the championship core, they were winning and they were constructed to have one of the best

six-man rotations, right? They were very top-heavy, and that's how they're going to win games. And that was their strength. And you look at what they went through this year, even if they had Tatum, you lose KP. And obviously you make these deals because Tatum gets hurt. But without him, KP's gone, Cornett's gone, Al Horford is gone, Drew Holliday is gone. Four of your main guys, four of your main rotation guys are out. And then you add on top of that, the fact that Tatum is gone.

Half of your rotation from last year is different. It's gone. And on opening night or one of the days before, the Celtics media team had posted a picture of their big rotation. And I remember sending it into a chat, and I was like 35. I think, I totally understand why people bought an idea of them still being good because Joe Muzula came out and said, we're not going to be a bad team. That's not the style of play we want to have, yada, yada, said all the things that every coach

ever says before they tank. And I got good news for you guys. This is by design, Celtics fans. As you guys know, Brad Stevens is a genius and he is a firm member of Tank FC. Tank FC is now 3 and 0 on the year. This is, this was written in the stars. And I think the NBA fans around the league should be scared and they should really hope that Jaylen Brown is really good and starts winning them games on purpose, because if they

can successfully tank like this in this draft that has these three superstar prospects, the plan's going to go exactly as Brad Stevens and they're going to be ridiculous if they can add in fucking boozer or DeBonsa to a team that already has superstars. I will say they've been in not situations exactly like this, but there's been times for this team where I think dating back to 2015 or 16 that they were supposed to be like really bad but for some reason somehow they got random second round pick superstar from coming from the Sacramento kings like Isaiah Thomas like blisting the league out of nowhere and doing what he does it was back when they had Isaiah Thomas Jay Crowder Avery Bradley and whoever else on that roster

this team just doesn't feel like an innate let's tank team but it is a different era Brad Stevens is again he's been one of the smarter more smarter head coaches now he's one of the smarter GMs guys in the front office if this is what's going to be well damn that's It looks, it's awkward, but it's brilliant. But three games in, I want to see if they're genuinely going to be like 41.41 time. You say that. This does feel like a tank roster. Like, we keep talking about, we're giving a lot of credit to the system, which I understand.

Like, it wasn't crazy beforehand. But now that we see it, look at those big men. This feels like a tank roster. Look at the good players that have left. None of them are playmakers. This feels like a team that if they wanted to win and they wanted to make one or two small moves, you know, get another big man in there, get a point guard, whatever may be to shuffle around and make a play and push, they could do that.

They're not far away, but there's a reason they didn't do that. If they really wanted to win this year, I promise you they would have got another big besides Amia's Qaeda. This team clearly was going to tank from the jump. And it feels like if things go well for them and the vision is executed, it could be a Tim Duncan type of thing, where if they get a top three pick and they already have Tatum in the door, they get the next guy that maybe is even better than Tatum, if they get the best one of those three guys, this could be a crazier.

And this happens all the time, honestly. and there's very specific moments in NBA history where this has happened and one like also their system it works so much better when you have two stretch fives who can block shots and play defense like that that's one but two when the Warriors got hurt

in 2021 yes you were able to retool they had opportunities in Moody in Kaminga and in Wiseman and everyone's oh my gosh it's going to be dangerous if James Wiseman had had hit as a as a pick or if they had went and got Lamella and got or got in the warriors and the stuff that they've been going through like the last two or three years they would be in such a different position if it was step and anthony edwards

my god instead of step and kaminga and that's your like two timeline thing or step and jordan pool that would be one you mentioned the the tim Duncan thing if they want to rewrite the saris and everything gets crazy the the sussies had this opportunity in the 80s and now obviously like the limb-bias tragedy happened and so uh-huh But like all that, all that happens. And so if they do get this opportunity and Taden comes back and he's already dunking, everybody's like, hey, this guy's the super soldier. He's just going to play basketball again and be like, you know, a top five player in the world.

If that happens, it's, it genuinely is going to be scared. And we got A.J. DeBonsa on Twitter talking about, let's get it. About the Celtics. Not really high. This is tampering. I don't care if he's on the outside looking in. Brother, he's from there. What you mean?

Take away their, their draft. pick right now. Do you guys consider yourself sports conspiracy theorists? Of course. Oh, 110%. You know that's my bag. If Adam Silver gave the Spurs Wemby and Harper, I promise you he wants to give them a superstar as well if things are going to plan. We've seen several draft classes in a row in which the top picks are teams that didn't really tank like that. We've seen several tanking teams get fucked over time and time again, Detroit Pistons, Nets, Wizards, et cetera. In lieu of them getting top picks, we get the math jumping up. We get the Hawks jumping up. It just feels so just destined for this to happen and for us to all hate it.

Yeah, I mean, you're right. It feels like it's coded into whatever AI chat GPT script that Adam's over went ahead and like went ahead tried to do. And it's the smartest thing to do too. I do trust the Boston Celtics to be smart when it comes to their draft evaluation. But I just, I don't know if they're going to be committed to like being a 38, 36 one team. I want to see. I feel like Jaylon Brown is going to have to like hurt, hurt himself.

But even that maybe it doesn't matter They're gonna be bad regardless But you're right It will help So for him to get hurt And miss time Like that's gonna happen At some point

Everybody misses time So I think they'll Exaggerate a little bit When that finally happens But you're right They're not gonna go Oh and three type shit forever You know eventually they're gonna win games

You never know They do something You say that And you just put up all the numbers They can't rebound They can't They're like I got one can booze

Before you waiting And they can't pass Yeah like they're They can't pass They can't rebound Their entire thing of of like we are going to be ultra switchable ultra versatile that can't happen if you don't have kp or if you don't have out horford or if you don't have jason tato the the crux of how you play is

so different without those three guys all right okay chat i see you guys you're talking about the main thing here you're saying we're bearing the lead i understand no they didn't pay us not to talk about that yes we will talk about jaylon brown's hairline yes we will talk about hairling let me sit up let me sit up oh this happened the other night they played the nix and he drives in forehead side-to-side, leaves his forehead on Ogen-Nobie Jersey. This is, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is honestly more damning than, than a regular man weave, right? The stuff, the stuff, I couldn't wait to talk about this.

The stuff that, that Jimmy Butler was doing at Media Day, obviously shameless, but it was so overtly troll that on a certain level, you still had to respect it. I didn't like it, but you had to respect it. The video's crazy. This is wild. This is, this is crazy. It looks like spray paint. Because not only are you employing the spray paint.

You are using low quality spray paint. You make $40 billion a year. What are we doing? You're about to sweat three pounds off your body and you are using, that's just not a good decision to have that amount of spray paint and that amount of assistance on your hairline when you know that you're about to do this. And like he saw that, I'm sure he saw the tweets.

He saw everybody laughing. He is what it is. Like there's no shame in using this spray. He doesn't have it in now. Oh, he don't get internet. Okay. But then he comes back and does it again. He's a reader.

Books only, brother. A repeat offender. Catches another body, double homicide, getting it on Ron Holland's shoulder. I actually don't know if there's really what's from. Kind of looks like it. And again, I don't know. We're going to go with it. We're going to roll with it.

Fuck it. I don't got a problem with someone using the spray, like just part of barber's stuff. Fine. Why would you do it during a game when you know you're going to sweat? That's the only thing. Like, logistically, for listen, the smartest players. in the NBA, the guy, you know, the guy giving lectures, don't you know that's like the wrong place to use it?

Like, that feels unwise. Now, I will say, I don't know if he carries his barber with him and they travel from city to city and maybe gets re-sprayed freshly at the start of every game because having it to like follow to back-to-back games is kind of insane. Like, do you get, you must, you have to get sprayed like multiple times. It must be like fresh spray right after you get out the shower. I will say I have been a victim of the spray. I have been sprayed probably.

a little bit too much in my lifetime. I've been off the stuff, but when I was on the stuff, I did receive some low quality sprain. I've experienced something like this before. Not on the basketball court. It will not be talked upon. It's like makeup on a shirt. Yes. You are also not

Jaylon Brown who signed a $300 million dollar contract. Like, he, I promise you, he has access to good sauce to good seasoning on his hairline. Like there are, there's ways to make it waterproof. There's ways that you can improve this. And the fact

that we're having to deal with this and that he was not as on top of his hairline, this is a major story. Exactly. I'm not here to judge him using the spray paint. I might hear to judge somebody going to turkey, anything like that is what it is, right? I'm here to judge bad form.

And this is bad form. This is poor execution of something that... This is a very fine line between something working and something being an embarrassment. And today you were on the losing end of that, Jaylin. This is just sad, man. This is just sad.

And I feel like what makes this even worse is knowing that brother like just a couple years ago you were the butt of the joke when it comes to hair NBA scene like people were talking about how tiny his braids were and now we're seeing he faced the repercussions stop giving them ammo to him that's all we're asking you like we're not saying that your braids are tiny we're saying you're giving them a reason to say that exactly and and if it if it truly is about about the airline you can you can just go and get it right on the edge of but now here's the play okay here's the play right you're o and three people are making fun of all the spray no haircut for the rest of the season i'm locked in right i'm locked in

i don't have time to worry about aesthetics to worry about my hair but that's a dangerous game though what if he's on jalen sugs type timing you know what jillen i understand i don't know too far with this conversation now you're o and three you have to make you have to make tough choices and tough times and that's where i think jel and brouss i will say and if this is obviously the whole clip immense oral loss right yeah that's a good way to get it back is to like i'm locked in now now i don't get haircuts now i'm all about the grind we saw what happened when jimmy played well while having that aesthetic to him it gives you a boost that even if you just play good not like amazing it's gonna be remembered as a time jalen brown locked in no no no we're trying to get them to

the number over our pick we don't need that never mind never mind keep doing it we want more or a loss coming please it'll be good for the team oh my goodness they're calling him spraylin brown that's actually amazing oh man what a debacle that's so good let's talk about palo palo ben caro to start the season

let's not 18 for three from the field two for 12 from three point line but 21 of 28 from the free throw line he's getting his buckets at the free throw line like he always does

however y'all felt watching this team still have a pretty bad offense despite adding desum bane they're playing through him they're basically asking him to be their like primary creator

in the half court. They're saying we're getting every single first round picks worth the value from you. It's not going super well through three games. It's two things that were my biggest fears when it comes to this trade happening and us setting up like pretty big expectations. A lot of people like me saying that this team should be the third best team in the Eastern conference. Two big things. One, Palo Van Carro is the same exact dude and I don't know if we'll ever see a certain level of leap when it comes to his play style and just how he likes to get his buckets off, meaning the timing of it. Cool.

So that's one and then two. I kept on talking about Jamal Mosley and how his job pretty much will be on the line and it's looking like that. Not only from the Powell and Carroll standpoint, but like overall how their offense looks and how they're choosing, like you said, to have Desmond Bain be the primary initiator.

Their offense still looks, feels unnecessary clunky and it's not nearly enough good of a mix or synergy between their top three eyes. It's so tough because the people that, So I've been saying for two years that I think Palo is, I guess, for lack of better words, overrated in certain ways that make people think he's like already some top 15 player, top 10 on the way when he has serious warts in his growing pains to get over, right? He still has a lot of development to do before he can be that guy.

And I've been annoyed by the way some people will just like assume he is already that guy. So I've long been a skeptic and I've long been a Franz Wagner glazer. When they play through him, it's always led to better basketball. There's a reason that off numbers are what they are. Franz is one of the most gifted drivers in the NBA. That skill set that Franz has meshes so perfectly with what Desmond Bain does. Also being a great driver, obviously a mini good spacer. Those two work together so well.

In the minutes where it's just those two on the court with role players, it looks like a good-ass team. And then obviously, Palo does things very well as well. When he gets down, he only drives, he's fantastic. He's a humongous body you can get to the Frito line. There's a skill set there. It's not to say Palo's a bum or shouldn't be on the team or anything drastic like that. I know some people on Twitter are saying they should trade him, dynasty starts after you, all this stuff. I'm not even saying that.

But I'm so, as always, just skeptical that we're going to be able to get the best version of that Franz and Desmond Bain chemistry I mentioned while playing a style of basketball that is conducive to Palo Van Carrow. It's such a, it's an inherent clash that I'm, when are we going to see a good balance? I, okay, so one, I don't know. Two, I, I'm hoping that just like how last year, the first five games of Palo's season really, like, defined his season and how people talked about it. I'm actually hoping for the opposite this year because obviously like he's going to shoot better

than what he's shooting right now. And so I do think that we're going to get back to a point where we can get on even ground to to then properly judge Palo and like how he's playing. And so then once that happens, then like, and not to say like that what's happening now like doesn't matter. But then I'll probably have hold like just a little bit more stock once the shooting numbers come back to come back to normal and then really like reassess the fit and everything. but I hope that these first three

however many games it's going to be when he's shooting bad isn't the thing that people look at whenever we're talking about palo this entire season I agree that's why I give it obviously a tiny sample size that's why I'm not up here being like he's the problem get them get him the fuck out of here

like too early to be doing all that but because it's patterns we've been noticing for two years that have not improved despite an influx of very specific talent to get rid of that exact problem because they're trying to play faster and I think it's pretty clear that he doesn't want to play faster

he doesn't look super comfortable in that role like this is a specific scenario that yes small sample size we need to see these patterns start emerging we need to see them understand it now and i agree good no you go ahead i was going to say it feels like for the first time last or last night or a couple nights ago i felt like the timeline had this great awakening like oh my god like what these nerds were saying in a corner last year or over the last two years franzibur and paula all the other stuff i see it they see it and what capsulates that perfectly when it comes to apollo and his train a train up thought process was the last few seconds of that hawks game where he had like i don't know he had so much time at the clock like 15 seconds off on o'clock and he decided to take a dumb deep

sidestep fading away three point yeah and you he he sold them the game entirely to a depleted hawks team who were missing like three two starters yeah it's tough man it's tough and like it's also funny because i see tweets where people were like if palo just buys into being a supercharged Drayvon Green, we can get it going and make it really fit. One, that's the ultimate. It's over. Someone says if he can beat Jayvon Green with athleticism, you're cooked, buddy. That's what we're saying about 40-year-old LeBron.

It's not great. Also, like, that's not realistic. He is Palo Ban Carroll still. He is still the first overall pick. It is still his team. They just paid him $40 million a year. He's a gifted score that clearly has no intention of not playing like a gift of score.

That's his game. It always has been. You're not going to get him to buy into some, like, marginal role like that. So they have to figure out how to, what way he says play better. That's the first thing. Just shoot better. But they have to figure out how to design an offense that puts him in a position to succeed.

He wants to post up for mid-range, design a better offense that gives him better empty-side looks where you can get awful actions to get those guys going and utilize it as in Bain as the floor spacer not only putting the ball in his hands. Like, Jamal Moseley has to get very creative to make up for these deficiencies or Palo S affixed deficiencies. I don't think that's going to happen. So I'm kind of just putting it on Jamal-Moseley to figure it out. We've been saying it.

You've been alluded to it. And not even alluding to it, just saying... it's probably going to be time because I don't know like Palo playing faster is going to be the thing that ultimately unlocks all of this him playing faster and being more decisive

and being able to be smart with the ball. If Mowgli's not the guy then he's not the guy and I don't know like we'll see obviously over the long term of his career if there's going to be anybody who can really unlock that and like get to him but I don't

I don't know and I don't think I see Mosley being the guy. So ultimately, it would suck, right? Because everything that they've built and that he's been able to accomplish with them and as they accomplished, but like in terms of just like rebuilding a culture and trying to get them back to a spot where they're like relevant even in the Eastern Conference. But it might be, you know, pilot coach killer. Like on the way, if he's not, he's not playing well and if he's not making the right decisions.

Yeah. I've also just like, I don't know why everyone loves Momosley so much. I don't dislike him or anything. Like they've been a rebuilding team. He's, you know, been there, like you said, establishing the culture. They try hard defensively. Clearly, he's good in that way.

But every time you hear any, like, NBA podcast or media people, they'd be like, I love the coach over there. And I'm like, why? They drafted a bunch of big defenders that don't play offense. And that's how they played on the court. I don't feel like there's anything I'm grabbing onto and saying what he's doing schematically is genius. Well, yeah, anytime did you have a bad team and they start to get good and they get good

because they are played harder than. and everybody else and like the defense is fine. Those first couple years are always like, you know, Moseley came in and changed the culture and this and that. They had bad players and they drafted good ones. Like that's kind of simple. Yeah, but I mean, everyone loves like an underrated underdog type story

and Jamal Moseley has that through the years of his coaching experience and where he came from. I feel like there's a lot of fan bases and there's a lot of just people in the media who see that glorify because it's like, wow, man, we watch every single step of this. And I feel like what's going to end up. happening over the next few years is like okay before anything happens with their number one overall pick who came from duke average 20 put up disgusting like insanely disgusting playoff

numbers when he comes to how how filthy of a performance he did you're not going to do anything apollo until like you give him a trial one with another coach who's able to bring in another level of offensive at least philosophy and i think jemal moseley he probably is like on a one year type deal yeah after this season and i'm not even trying to say jama he's bad i just like don't know why we're giving so much credit and no like discussion of they've been this bad offensively for this many years and haven't figured it out like yeah they don't have good shooters but also we're allowing palo to just drive his head into a wall over and over again it doesn't feel like there's a lot of pushback to change the style of the play and it's three games and obviously

things things will change as people play better guess with the Orlando magic are in offensive rating right now 28 27th 30th of course dead lie dead lies in the NBA right now so grander three games sample size not a lot but still there's a pattern here like oh wings yeah out again not out on them i picked them to be a three seed i gave them benefit of the doubt i put my skepticism aside and said this will probably be the year he figures it out and if he figures it out the team will be really good i i don't know it also makes sense because the other three teams that we were talking about or the the three teams in their tier between orlando detroit al Atlanta we were all like there there has to be somebody else

who is who is the third seed there has to be somebody else who is going to get home court advantage and be the four seed So we're all trying to really look at the positives between all these teams and the East is so, it's so weak right now that you're looking at it and you're like, okay, on the bright side, you have X, Y, and Z going for you. Yes, you can take this leap.

All of them in the first three games is very clear. Like, oh, you guys still have very clear flaws that you are working through that either like coaching or personnel or like player development, all three of those things need to be addressed. So it makes sense why, like, why we're still in the first week and still feeling like, Damn, like Orlando hasn't figured it out.

Like, surprise, it's been a week. Someone chats said, one of the Rockets going to lock in. That's a good question, because I just had that pulled up. Rockets are 0 and 2 right now. I love this video so much. The Rockets are 0 and 2. How do we feel about Houston coming out? Winless, despite, you know, they had that.

It was a good loss in game 1, so I think the general vibe around them was victory. That was the most moral victory ever pushing the defending champs to double over time. Sanguon was hitting threes, shooting crap. crazy had a fantastic game moral victory for sure it was a moral loss and on paper loss in game two they're own two right now how are you feeling this experiment is scary um seeing how small the court looks their own two yes singood had a nuclear game the first game second game and not so much he was off and pretty much everyone else was off outside of kd too i don't feel good but it's only two games you have one game less of a sample size compared to everyone else but

I'm still waiting for Reed Shepard to, like, be like, I'm here. I'm the third overall pick. I come from this, like, oh, this forbidden group of elite guards that come from Kentucky. I'm the next guy up. He still isn't here yet. And that's fucking scaring this shit out of me. I think that's what's more important to talk about. I'm not, so I'm not scared for Reid.

I honestly, I don't think I would be scared for Reid until maybe like Christmas. It's game two. And this is always the thing, especially after Van Vleek got hurt, where he barely played last year. now we're going to thrust him into the situation where he's supposed to be a championship level starting NBA point guard that's that was that was unreasonable and I do think that it was a little unfair to ask of him even if you wanted to see development asking him to be at that level was kind of kind of weird I won't be nervous until after tonight because they play the the the rocket play the Brooklyn Nets tonight if they lose or if they like eke out a win and they are not overly

dominant against them then I will start looking around and being like okay what What exactly are we doing here? What is the problem? Because, again, game one, double O-T, it is what it is. Fine. Game two, probably don't want to lose that game at home to the Pistons. Fine. Everybody has weird starts, whatever.

You cannot lose this game to the Brooklyn. Damn, you're not. If there's ever been a team in the NBA least equipped to upset the Rockets, it is the fucking Brooklyn Nets. If Stephen Adams and Sengoon cannot commit war crimes on Nick Claxton, they're fucked. That is the small front court to be able to abuse. They should put them in a blender on the boards. We've never had, like, in the NFL, you always talk about like, this game is a must win.

And that never happens in the NBA because there's 82 games. This is a must win game for the Houston Rockets. You cannot go, you cannot go down 03 and losing one of those games to the next. Yeah, well, I will overreact on purpose. I'll get up here on the mics. Out of principle. I'll have to. It'll be deserved.

I'll get up Thursday's episode spoiler is one thing we'll learn about every team so far I'll get up here and say I learned the rockets stink I'll say I've learned the rockets are fucked and will never be good I don't even care if I'm wrong which I surely would be I would say it anyways I am it just can't happen I am praying that they go ahead and turn things around specifically like just Jabari and Singuni even if Reid isn't all that I think Jabari and Singoon and their guard like skills they're entirely different but they're important. If they show up on a semi-night-to-night basis, they'll be all right.

Someone said, if they go, O and 3, Reed is getting sacrificed to the gods. Did you see the shoe beef? Shoep. Shoep. What's that? Fill me in. Shoe beef. Anthony Edwards put out a new ad for his AE2s, and he threw direct shots as Shay Gilded Alexander via Kat Williams. He said he's doing his thing, but he's lucky his game is as smooth as his little poems because them shoes, no thank you. They threw a bunch of other jabs talking about how ANS the guy, he's the shooting guard out there, and the shoes are going to do a talking for him.

Cool little commercial. I don't feel. Oh, we're back. We're back. And this is, this, man, I'm so excited. This is exactly what we need because you have, like, team rivals, and through NBA history, team rivals have been what, like, the league has stood on, right? You had Lakers, Lakers, Celtics, Bulls, Pistons, all that.

We've moved into an era of play. player movement and everybody moving away, I need people heading each other. And for somebody like Ant, who is breaking into the top five and Shay, who's coming off of one of the best guard seasons of all time, if they can go back and forth through sneaker commercials and whenever they play on the court and we get more playoff series, this is exactly what we need. Amazon's marketing team is on a generational run. I would have never thought, and I never really seen this, ever where.

two players or specific players getting hate off through his shoes. He's saying he's step harder than you. And he's also saying that through one of the most important faces or whatever when it comes to comedians through Kat Williams. That's nuts. The funniest part was seeing

Thunder fans on Twitter. Be like, it's got to talk about the shoes, can't talk about the game and all this stuff. I mean like, look, check the start tree. Shut up. Shut up. You're dark. Stand up and fight. Like, shut up. Like, we're having fun here.

This is a good, good, just fun shit talk through shoes. Like, shut up. And you also, and you can't say that whenever Shay's team started the beef. You guys see how it started? Yeah. So Shea had a commercial. And it was last year. I can't remember if it was after the conference finals or when it was played.

But it was an ant like walking. Oh, yeah. It was an ant walking. And it said, unbelievable. And so it's like, you take the first shot. I have the summer to respond. And now we're going to go shoe. for shoe, lace for lace, and it's going to be, it's going to be awesome.

I love this. Victor Wobanyama is 21 years old. I also love this. He is averaging 33.3 points per game, 13.3 rebounds, 1.7 steals per game, six blocks, 63.9 shooting percentage. He just became the first player this century with 100 points and 18 blocks in a three-game span. He's clearly been the best player in the NBA so far. How do you all feel about this statement?

If he's had 18 plus blocks, I was looking at rough stats, you know, stats don't mean. nothing really three games into the year but so far Victor Wimbenyama single-handedly has more blocks by himself than 85% of NBA teams as we speak he's utterly ridiculous there is

let's move on back to you because I think that's kind of stepping on something we'll talk about later in a TikTok segment at the end go ahead look at this one another tweet from Carson it's not just that Wembe has goat potential he could be the goat by like a lot there's just clearly a world where this dude pretty much redefines not just basketball players but athletes on this planet

and what they're capable of his talent is just that completely insane if there's anything that I learned about Carson over the summer since we met him or last two years or whatever he is again when it comes to his talent of glazing completely insane by his own work he is the world's greatest golf I've ever seen in my life and I applaud him I'm trying to I need to get like Carson you want him on your side when it comes to me Carson is the best propagandist I've ever seen in my life

Yeah, that's fair. And the crazy part is, I agree with him, but I also disagree with him. I don't think that Wembe is going to, like, redefine what basketball players or athletes are capable of because Wemby's greatness is so singular to him. There's never going to, unless they start, like, literally making athletes in a lab. You're really not going to see anybody who is 7-5 and can move the way that he can and has the skill sets that he has. I don't know, like, if they're not making.

Wendy's in a lab like that. And so that's why I think when you talk about can he be the goat, does he have the talent? Of course he has the talent. And it's going to be by a lot because the things that he's going to be able to do is so, again, singular to him. And it's going to put him in a position where we're talking about him

as one of the greatest, like, unique talents in the world. Inspirational levels of throat action, said happy secure girl on the show. I guess my question is, how do we outglaze Carson? What's going to be our pathway to suppress him as Like, if we so choose, if we do want this,

you guys let me know if you want it or not. If we so choose to be the biggest Wembee glazing show on the planet, how do we get past this? He's already set the Bihar. I got it. I got it. Okay.

We are talking about Wembe as the goat potential saying, oh yeah, he's going to be better than LeBron and Michael Jordan. Like the NBA is on, it's on notice. Forget all of them. We're going higher than the NBA. Wembe's going to be the greatest athlete to ever live. That's what he just said, though.

He said what athletes on this planet are capable of. Glaze harder, please. He's already said that. And he said it in a, like in a nuanced way he's already ahead of us he's saying he's Michael Phelps he's you saying both that he is

breaking the mold that nobody can replicate and he's one of the greatest athletes of all times Chris I don't know yeah I'm going to get into the lab but we are we're going to figure out some ways I think I had to start a church rock with me rock with me rock with me okay so I think we might have to actually move to France

we might have to move to France okay we might have to go ahead and we have to be French yeah be French we're going to get our passports we're going to get citizenship exactly follow the pathway of wemby we might actually need to hang out with the monks and interview the monks that he actually talked to you might have to go ahead and be through the wemby train

camp and become like wimby we might have to get knee surgery to make us possibly as tall as we got to start a church we got to begin a cult of wembe and we had to start a religion we had to make mba scientology you said we get the knee surgery can be seven yeah knee surgery exists these days i know you've seen that one post about that dude who like gained a whole inch or whatever or five inches with six foot but the arms were the same it's the arm's saying we don't matter we got to be like when being every way that's the middle version of

like yeah but like the thighs don't matter because like you're six feet but like your arms are five five so we got some wee shit it's like I know what you did yeah we just got to pray we got to like how do we start a cult what's the first steps to starting a church

I think we start here right now in front of the thousand people we're watching do we need investors I think we need to start writing scriptures investors who's gonna fund this church who's gonna build our mega church the crown eaters they're dumb enough to do it listen you can't leave this nobody leaves this stream until you don't until everybody donates 40 dollars we have to get to a hundred thousand dollars by the end of the stream nobody can leave i got i got 15 dollars lock the doors lock the doors put the stream on lock down i got 15 start playing the music start playing the music i'll get the organ i get the organ going nobody's leaving

I'm picking up extra shifts at the gas station I just walked past by Trust me, I'm fully locked in So what kind of church attire are we thinking? That is a good question What best sirs? Raise them striped shirts With little red neck bandanas

How do we best glorify Victor Momeniama? It's ultimate French glaze And really the question is what Like beliefs are we going to adhere to? Yeah and like What do we push for? Who are the prophets that we have to like go ahead

and raise up? Carson probably has to be one of them he died for this Carson is Noah Yeah Yeah this is crazy Who's the biggest Carson Who's the biggest

Wembe hater Biggest one Does he have Aiders I don't know Whoever did We gotta find I don't know

In my mind We gotta put them In our story One of them is Job Kai Jones Cause he ducked on him During his summer The game

Yeah You gotta have him Like Some type of satanic dude Who tried to throw him Off his game Dang it You gotta kill

Kyle Jones Yeah Damn it man I didn't want to I had to do it Oh they're saying D Mills Oh yeah he's a part of the story too

I'm putting D emails on a spike We gotta do it I'm sorry We gotta make sure every day that he lives Is the worst day of his life We gotta barbecue D Mills I'm sorry I gotta do it for Wemby I hate how to do it to him I like Dmills

We gotta do it But unfortunately in this story He is Satan And if we didn't like D. Mills, it wouldn't be a noble sacrifice. It's on us. We've got to pick somebody we like and so sadly they push us to the right way. They're saying Shaq. Yeah, for Shaq for

dropping the bowl bowl comparisons. They're smirching the name of our Lord. Oh my God. I'll hell not. The Wemble. This is terrible. We got Shaq in one hand. Demils on the other. Skulls.

Shack is evil. So this is no longer a basketball podcast. Yeah, man, I have no idea what we're talking about right now. Would it be Church of Monks? Oh, God, I can't breathe. Okay, this is we recalibrated to another. Okay, I was going to show you a clip of Zion, don't come on him, but no, I can't. That's sacrilegious.

Oh, man. Please don't. Oh, whatever, for 49 minutes into the show. His MVP odds are rising, though. His MVP odds are up. They are up. Let's not with the rookie class. He's second by high shade.

Really? Also, rookie odds, three games in is hilarious. This rookie class is insane. We got Sedgwick Coward out here dropping 27 points on 91% true shooting. That's your guy. You guys know. That's your guy? Yeah, like when the NBA draft was happening,

but we were here on these very chairs streaming. And the Hawks had the 13th pick. I forget where the Memphis Grizzies were. I think they're at 11 or something like that. And they scooped them up and then also found out that the Hawks went ahead and did that trade with the New Orleans Pelicans. Don't care at the end of the day. But I felt like Cedric Coward was everything that this team needed from the wing position,

considering his size and how much of like a presence physical presence that he could have been for this team especially long term it hurt my heart you know i love rich a she's had a phenomenal season so far through the one game that he played but the potential of sedger coward is fucking insane so you'd rather have him over richard say so you're saying i'd rather have cedar coward on my team no matter what damn but richardt i'm fine with him i want both i can have both you threw on a table for no reason no one even asked you to make the conversation like he's on the he's on the wrong We were trying to All we were trying to do

is just big up You just shot him the back of the head No one no one put the gun in here I love Rish to say Don't get it twisted Con Cinepple threw his first three games

15 points your game 58% from the three Also coming off to a good start The Hornets offense is looking pretty good LeMello just had a fucking ridiculous game 38, 13 to 13 outlandish numbers

So yeah Another good start for our White King Con Caniple Dude You know what I think about What I'm thinking about right now All these rookies

These five rookies that we are talking about right now they're already, I think they're better than a lot of the players from last year's draft class, even to this day. Oh, easily. Yeah, the draft class was stinky. That's crazy for the second year. We try to convince yourselves.

There's some interesting role players. This draft class is immediately shitting on it. Also, Dylan Harper, number two pick, going to fit with Wemby, already from day one, as we knew, one of the most gifted slashes the league's had in a long time, his footwork and ability to get to these crazy driving angles to finish around defenders down low. He's ridiculous. We, okay, we got to take some time to talk about, to talk about Dylan Harper. Because when we did our predictions, too, I was a little bit, not like reserved or anything, but like I had Ace Bailey coming in as like second in the rookie of the year odds.

Yeah, man, that's over. It's Dylan Harper's time. The way that Dylan Harper plays basketball is so under control. And like for young guards and just like guards coming up, you're always like looking for them to be like, okay, like can we get them to have like a good like feel for the game? he has that to an extreme level and the way that he can fit like that layup right there the craftiness that he has to finish to finish around the rim reverses different different angles him changing up his his pace like he understands so much how to be such an impactful player he's already so good in in transition as well he is so so good and i saw somebody else tweet

this today where they're like the fox trade is looking worse and worse every day and like People are doing so much about that on Twitter. They're doing so much. Yeah. And it's obviously like not that point, but we might get like 20 games in. I'd be like, yo, bro, Deere Fox, we're good here. Because like the next like three to four years with Harper and with Wembe, it's going to get scary. I understand the whole Deere Fox conversation.

But I feel like the overall PR around Deer Fox over the last two years, ever since like the initial light, the beam thing, when they surprised everyone who made the playoffs two years ago when he was in Sacramento people act like they gave up a boatload of assets for Darren Fox

they gave a fucking nothing no one in this chat can even remember what was the most like respectable thing or more important thing that they gave up during that trade

it was probably like Zach Collins that's it and like use his first round picks that doesn't mean anything yeah people also act like it's like bad to have multiple good players

on your team yeah I like having a lot of good players personally so I'm not really in a rush to throw them away because other ones are good I think it's fine, especially when one's a rookie and you want to win now.

I don't want to put all the pressure in the world on Harper's shoulders. And I like depth. I like having two point guards if one gets hurt, we're good. It's not like, if it was hurting them and make, if we, if we saw them play and it was like, Harper can't get his game off at all, his developments being crushed. The coach doesn't know how to utilize them. Then like, okay, we can talk. But before we even get there, when both these guys are good off ball, there's no reason

believe it's going to happen. It just feels like people were just like rushing to find something to complain about. And there's no reason they can't both exist. it's also helpful right that like like dinner harper is good and obviously d r fox is a good player those are the two that that you want to see and if if dillard's ascension is bad for anybody it's bad for stephan castle like that's that's the only person that it would be bad for because he's showing that he can be he can be a part of the score and he's going to be a guy that like you want to start and close games with and he can be able to shoot the ball and be crafty and

and score in creative ways to start the season watching stephan castle has not been that way and it hasn't felt like as as good and you see the way that teams are are defending sophon castle where they're like yo if you want to beat us fine and they're just going like so far under every single screen and so him like dental harper making his attention and showing that he's an actual player you know that you're at least going to have two guards in a back court that you can trust and not feel like oh dang it makes your decision easier when you have this like three this three player like clog at the at the guard position yeah and also like stephan castle's very different from those two castle has his good finishes the deceleration stuff is really cool when it works he's

fantastic running in transition plays off a wendy well as a cutter he he doesn't create in half court well like whatsoever it's like it's really bad when he needs to in bench lineups so the more he can play off ball and be able to not focus on playmaking and just be this cutter and be essentially a slightly undersized wing great that's not a three way like clashing of roles that guy is very different than the other two. Yeah, I agree. I think Stefan Castle has the ability. And I feel like he would have the buy-in because he has a generational opportunity to make things work with a generational player in Wembe and two potential All-Star in the future, Dylan Harper and All-Star level player in Daniel Fox. He's 6.6. He has a big frame. You could easily slide into the three spot. And I'm not

saying this should run this out full time, but when it comes to clutch closing moments or periods throughout the game where you want to feature those two guards alongside him, you can do that. who cares if it's a little bit small. These guys are a slightly bigger, Darren Fox and Dylan Harper for their position. And if there's any team in the league who can sacrifice a little bit of size, it's you because you have a 75 demon weight in the back

praying for people to come towards his way. He's really six-six? Yeah, he's probably like six, four and a half. Yeah, yeah. Doesn't along his arms. So, yeah, he doesn't look huge. He doesn't look six-six like some guys do you? But yeah, to your point, he still defends up.

He's a big guy. Yeah, exactly. He's physical. okay next thing we're going to do 56 minutes in on to a big topic I wanted to have I asked you guys on a community post to give us your biggest NBA questions

that need to be answered this season so whatever you're looking at when you watch these first three games a question you have that will probably define the season to you and we are going to react to them right now see if we give our thoughts on them but just talk through them together okay first up

swaggy says when are people going to realize when be is legitimately the best player in the NBA as long as you stay as healthy. How much sample size you guys got to see of him playing at this level to say that is number one? Like I'm willing to say he's even with Yokic or better. I think for me personally, in order to be crowned like the best

or second or third best player in the league, we need to see it for more than one season. In order to get the best player in the world title, you have to continuously stamp your way in, whether to be through the playoffs, the regular season, and the finals. You need to have that level of like overall, knee deepness foot in the in the in the NBA I need to see every couple yeah given the actual

best playing the world title is tough until you season playoffs just so I just have narratives work and how conversations go when you can point to one guy having a title other guy not so I understand that but if we're just ranking players and if we try to put that aside I could see it being like a real argument in this season if you have it yeah I think like if you start talking about it in the context of 2K ratings and like who just has like the higher overall and you kind of you know like decide from there it would have should shock me if anybody had had wimby one especially because i mean he had like nine blocks the yeah the defensive gap is so much bigger than everybody else like even yonis who's the best defender

of those top five like big five superstar guys wimbi is so much better as a defender right now already so like you can compare him like luka or you will say yokech same thing these guys are going to have outlandish offensively i kind of think wendy is closer to them offensively than the other guys are defensively and i so i agree with you i think like i need to see i need to see it for an entire year. I need to see the playoff moments and all that stuff. But also I just want to see the offensive consistency just because that's going to be the thing this year that's taking the biggest leap out of everything.

And so, like, we know what, we know shake and average 33 in a season. We know that Yokic can shoot 40% from, from three, and he's been great. Luca, Yannis, all of these guys can carry teams and can carry offenses throughout, like, really whatever lineup is, is out there. For Wemby, are you able to do that? And are you able to lead the spurs to a top 10 offense? Can I look at you and say, we are going to have, like, our net rating is going to be good, obviously because, like, your defense is so good.

But can you bring our offense to have a floor that is so good that instantly puts us into contender status? I need to see that over a whole year. I do believe he probably could do all those things this year. If you go back to our predictions video or podcast, last week, I did make a last minute changed and said they're going to be a playoff team because I'm like okay the dude should be all time great this is before we actually saw these guys play I'm like okay shit I see it now maybe they can be like the third tier teams one of the third tier teams in the western conference along with the Rockets Lakers whoever else you want to throw in that bunch and if he bear a minimum

like wins MVP this year you got second best player in the world easily yeah I'm you guys exactly that that's the thing to me I'm fully prepared to be in second best player in the World Convo's within the season. And, like, not even just fully prepared, like, anything is possible. He's limitless potential. No, we're going to be there. I'm pretty sure. Like, I'm not going to define, definitively say it just because Shea is so insane.

Luca looks insane as well now that he's skinny and back to Prime Luca in better in many ways we've seen. So it's not a guarantee, but I'm damn near there. Like, if we get to game 40 and he's still looking like this, still the most efficient player in the NBA as a score this much volume, still the best off ball player in the NBA, still the best defender in the NBA. We're going to be there in top two player talks, almost guaranteed. Okay.

So he's going to be, so we're all expecting, like, top three by the end of the season. Who are you? Because if it's Yokin's Shea, one and two, and then it's Yonis and Luca in, like, reversible order, who are you kicking out to be the fourth in that? I hate the talkabout of kicking out. I mean, technically, we literally have to kick someone out. Yeah, like, if it's, probably Luca, if that's those groups. But Luca or Shea, I don't know. Like, it depends how things go.

You know, like, Janus is going to be top three regardless. Like, he's been insane. So I would just view it as like the top. tear gets bigger. Yeah, I feel like for me personally, it's almost just like a positional thing. I'd rather have some like Yolk it's someone like Janus than Shea or Luca, even though Luke is the second or he's one of the bigger guys of that group too. I probably kick out Luca and Shea just naturally. Yeah, who knows? I don't know. Next up after the Wemby Glaze. Okay. Brady says, seriously, are the Spurs going to be a top five seed?

So are, so, okay, so. Webby glaze, I'm Wemble glaze. I'm going to be glaze. This is all we doing one of our friends had said this um prior prior to the season and i was like you're insane there's no way that they're going to be a top five seat and he texted me the other day he's like this is exactly what i'm talking about best player in the world i was like hey man like i put him seven in my rankings five isn't super different i got i got to give it to yeah top five seed feels very possible at this point i'm not going to like predict it still because there's so many good teams but if i put you at seven and if your range is get up to five i can't say it's ridiculous like that's obviously in the real possibility yeah and five

seed seven seed that's literally like a four or five game difference not even last year like it's super close yeah and i think that could very much swing their way and if it does for me personally the biggest swing factor would have been guys like um dear not darren fox but dylan harper being what he is day one looking like he could have been a number one overall big being already like one of the best young players in the league averaging like 15 16 a game efficient as hell that's going to be like the compelling argument for me and my mind as to why they are a top five seat they're going to make a trade they got to get some wings in there that's what that's what it'll be i think they can float around this range as currently constructed but i think if they if we get

to january and we see that they're this good and we see a real run is within grasp wimby is good enough already to be the best player on a team that can make a deep run fox comes in fits perfectly Harper does what you just said he does i think trading for some kind of three indie wing a dillan Brooks and Andrew Wiggins, whatever. All the guys I want the Lakers to get. If the Spurs get the other one, the Lakers don't get, this team can make a run like this. And their schedule to start off isn't super, that's super taxing. They, they can, we can get to Christmas or we can get to January, and they would have

played one of the easier schedules in the league. And so, like, that's, that's fine. Right now, if I, right now, they're, they're going to win the Emirates NBA Cup. Okay. Blake C-40 says, is St. Goon at Top 5 Center. See, you acting like you don't care about the. And respected, man, what the hell's wrong with you? I'm not going to keep the video moving.

Come on now. Is Sanguin a top five center? I'm just going to say blindly, yes. I don't even know who the top five centers are right now, but I'm just going to be like, yep, he is. He vaguely feels like a top five center? Yeah. So there's Wemby, there's Yokich.

I guess I'm not throwing in and beat. No, we're not going to be in there. Through that out the window. Bam somewhere in there probably. Cat. Yeah, he's top five. Chet. In that, in that range.

Chet the floor right now. If you, Chet's not fucking four. We're not comparing Chetts to No. They play him there, but yeah. They play Sanguinette Powerford.

Yeah, I'll do it. He's tough forward. Yeah, I'm saying he's how far. I would take him. I take him over Kat at this point probably. That feels a little bit hard.

That's really hard. But he's in that combo. He's in that combo though. If he ranks anywhere from four to six or seven, all those guys are clumped in together. That's completely fair to me. Yeah. I think I'm jumping to curb for sure,

but assuming. Oh, yeah, 80 is what? Yeah, 80. He's probably at the tail end of that. taking him or bam singoon or bam if the three point shot is real and we see that real develop and he shoots a good amount on a good volume i'll take sing good over bam yeah it's it's close it's close because bam's defense is one of the better when it comes to guarding at the rim or

yeah decent at the rim y'all are saying he's three y'all have to relax like this you don't have to relax three unless you're not counting anthony davis and you're saying that's a power forward which sangu put power forward to you if you're counting anthony davis i feel crazy to me yeah i'm just going to say loosely he is top five for show yeah that's fair you i hate that certainly in top five convos yeah i'll give him that he got top five nearing 41 and entering his 23rd season is this truly lebron's last dance y'all we've had lebron in our lives for over two decades you should know how he operates by now we are going to get the pomp we are going to get the circumstance he's going to tell us when and where his final season is going to start and end he's going to tell us where the

parade is going to go after the final game he's going to release a clip or an article we're going to get some monstrous thing and if you have not received any of that then it is not happening facts dude netflix would have went ahead and announced this he would have gone like a 20 30 million dollar deal cameras falling him and brawny fucking everywhere there's no way in ellie's if you have not received a pamphlet in the mail alerting you of his upcoming special on ESPN to announce it. It has not happened yet. You will see a banner fly through the skies that will be written in the clouds. It will say

LeBron's retirement tour begins today. I feel like he's probably going to retire at his 25th year. He can't, he's not, no, I don't, I don't think two more years. I was, for his playing, like, ability? You can definitely, if he wants to, he can play for seven more years and be a servicel role player. Right now. I might even say service, well, to this point where he can average his 23 points per game and do his normal stuff?

Can you get two more? I don't think so. For what? What do we have to point to do to say you can't? My brother can't sit down. Like, what do you mean? Like, he has sciatica. He hasn't played a game this year. I was, for this year, my bold prediction for this year is that on Christmas

day, LeBron's going to announce his retirement. No, that would be the worst way to end everyone's Christmas. What the hell? No. On Christmas day. He's going to take the biggest stage that the NBA has. And that is going to be his day. You think he wants half of a parade, like a half a season of a retirement tour?

No, man. He's fumbling. You know LeBron's all about his bag, too. There's no way in hell he's going to waste half a year of nothing. Okay, let me get more. I'll get more into the conspiracy thing like you. He's for sure going to wait until the summer, I think. Because he's got to play out this season.

If they're great, if he comes back, him, Luca and Austin Reeves are a big three and they can make a deep run. God forbid make a finals, he's going to want to stay and ride that out because he can get one more chip with Luca. Look around the league. There's no better chance. If Lucas hit hole and if they work, that's going to be the best chance. So if they win, he wants to win some more and get the six rings. If they look like shit, then he can leave in the summer, decide then to the retirement tour in Cleveland or whatever.

But he's got to see it through and just see if there's a possibility of stringing together some more stuff with Luca. So we're not getting anything until the summer. For sure. Yeah, definitely not this year. Because if it doesn't work, he's not going to go out sad and halfway. Be like, yeah, I've had enough. Can't do it. We're going to go retire.

Like, he can't go out bad. And if he goes out good with Luca, they have to see it through. Yeah. And if he does go out bad, I can envision the world and where he's like, oh, fuck it. Okay. Last year, the contract, he's taking his ass over to Cleveland for one last year, when doing his thing, going to the finals, and who knows what happens to that. Yeah.

So, yeah, he's, you're right the first time. We will know a whole year to celebrate. Will Reed Shepard be a huge bust? Is Hesi Traff's question? Huge bus is, bus is a really strong word. But honestly, given the expectations and just the necessity of the rockets right now, it's going to feel like it if he's not like an all-star. level play it'll feel like it because they drafted jalen green number two jabari's fine so i'm not

going to say that but it's not a great top pick and then read number three like that's not a good run of draft picks that's not going to feel great yeah so i think i don't know if i would tagline him as a huge bust necessarily because he out of all the draft picks that you guys just mentioned he is like at least with hindsight now and even traveling back back then a couple years ago like the least consequential draft pick ever and his his bang to like be able to bus ratio. All in all isn't like overly important. It was a bad draft class.

It's not like they missed on anybody amazing. Yeah, exactly. Like, there's not too many players that you can name after he was selected where you be like, man, we really wift on this one. Not really. It's him or castle and like I'll fucking live. Like, it's not like, you know, if it misses and castle's better, which seems pretty likely, I'll live.

It's not like I lost out on Donovan Mitchell. You know, it's something insane. Yeah. Which offseason acquisition looks the best and which will look the worst? Okay. Looks the best. Right now, Norm Powell looks real damn good I don't know if that exists for the whole season

Because when Tyler Hero comes back Maybe he'll just look a little more like Norman Powell He'll be asked less of him Mm-hmm, mm-hmm Doesn't be able probably look the best For the end of the season Doesn't look great so far Same thing for Kevin Durantz

Man, what looks the best Is the trait that the Atlanta Hawks made During the summer For the New Orleans Pelicans Slash the Milwaukee Box Pink The Norris Pelicans are currently Winless and Zion Williamson Has a bone boom bruise right now

And he's questionable to play the next game That looks amazing for me right now. That's the best offseason acquisition so far. What are y'all going to say when DeAndre ate in Marcus Smart. Get the fuck out of here. All right, brother. You just said Market Smart in 2020. He's been playing pretty well.

I'm enjoying the Market Smart experience. I'm not going to lie. I love it until he plays my team. I wouldn't enjoy it. His flopping? hilarious. Yeah. They were up by 7 with like 15 seconds left in the last game.

He flopped for no reason. Try a shot charge of 10 seconds left. The game was over. He just for the love of the game. He had to do it. Which would look the worst. Any of them looked terrible so far? free agent acquisitions or just offseason

terrible offseason it might be it's not like an in acquisition but re-uping on on on yacoburnal when like the raptors are like they're good no they're good they don't I don't think they regret that at all

they should you think they're good they're good yeah they're not bad they're not good they're not good they're getting fried they're not terrible they're not good but yeah they should have like everyone been thinking they should have like cashed in on that he he wasn't going to be the difference to being really good or really bad so it'd probably be a pretty just just paying more because like in uh again like we're going to talk more about it later this week but like the

raptors if you look at their cap sheet it is crazy it's one of the most like you know what we are thinking here yeah okay does a j mitchell have all-star potential slow down hey man when it comes to players at the oklahoma city thunder on earth i will not put any limits on any of them he looks really good good. If you want to tell him he's the next Brunson, they're going to find him at the woodworks and he's going to continue to rise up the ranks and become the next star at point guard?

Yeah. Who am I to disagree with Mr. Sam Presti? I think he definitely does have all-star potential. Seeing how he's been able to just like... He definitely does. Yeah, for sure he does. Seeing how he's been able to go ahead and... He's really good.

He is good. Dude, see how Mike Dagnall just like entrusted him in certain minutes in the playoffs last year in the biggest stages is kind of crazy he knows something that we don't know just yet and earlier in the season two three games in so far you can't tell me that he doesn't i can't tell you he doesn't have all the potential but but i'm not gonna listen he has really good player potential though like he is going to be extremely good i think he's gonna be a quality starter i'm excited if he can earn being the striking point guard and we have shay and jda being the two and the three get a little bit bigger or not even a bigger because you obviously you're you still have

like Lou Dorton stuff, but a little bit bigger ball handling size and being able to be a little more multidimensional, I hope he's able to be good like this. I think right now we're looking at a player on the Thunder who can also dribble and it's like, wow. Yeah, I know. Well, no, he is good. No, no, I know he's good, but the boost is like, oh, him and Shay are doing all the, all the creating all the ball handling because they're the ones that they can do it. All-Star is a bit, it's a bit tough. Oh, of course. This all-star guard in the West, like, no, no, I don't know. Oh, and the West is crazy. Will the Atlanta Hawks trade Tray Young if the season doesn't come out to a decent

playoff run? And if they trade him, what team would be in the market? No. But isn't there for you? Just going to be a little lackluster to start the year? Yeah, not good to start the year at all. Welcome to the Sacramento Kings trio. Hell, no. That's not happening in a million years. At least I pray

to God it doesn't happen. I pray to God it happens. Get him out of there. He doesn't... I don't want to see Tray Young let teams anymore, I think. I want to see Tray Young co-star to a really great player. It's too early to say. No, it's not. It's only like, five years I've been saying that. It's only like three games and whoopty boo, like we went ahead and lost like three of

our starters. That's insane to start the first three games. Yeah. But it's not looking good so far. The Lakers, they didn't Austin Reeves dropped 51, so like, what's good. Yeah, get on my fucking level. Shout out to Austin Reeves. I love what he's doing.

Get you a DeAndre 8? It's different. It's different. You can experience this until you get DeAndre 819. I tried. I got me a KP and got a tummy bug again, bro. It's over with. No, I just do this in control you.

but I do really want to see Trayung be a co-star or not the guy on a team. No matter what, how the season goes. I'm kind of over it. Can the maps truly recover from having no point guard and reach their championship expectations with just a rookie and D-Lo?

Just a rookie and D-Lo? There, okay, so championship expectations is a bit lofty. I think if you're looking at them for that, then that's a bit further. However, recovering from having no point guard, yes. I think that, like, Cooper Flagg is,

he's going to be okay. and the ball handling and the point guard stuff is fine. I don't necessarily, I don't have a massive objection to the idea of Cooper Flag playing, playing port guard in general. My big thing was it's his first game. It's his first like month. Let him just play his regular position and get used to NBA basketball

before we start springing different jobs on him. Yeah. And in terms of like leading the offense. But if we're talking about, I mean, he seems to be handling it fine. If you're talking about playing him as a, as a point guard in a secondary role with Delo or whenever Kyrie comes back, yeah, I think that's fine.

No. Is it championship expectations? If it's just a rookie in Delo, no. No, they won't play championship expectations. But will Kyrie coming in lets you get to that potentially if he comes in and is recovered well? It's a lot of a lot of worry on his shoulders for a guy coming off of an ACL. But if it was just these two, no, no more championship expectations.

I think we're past that. Yeah, even with Kyrie coming back, whatever that looks like, I think it's just entirely too late for, it will probably be entirely too late for, that. I don't know how good this team will be without him. And when it comes to the point guard experiment, I'm starting to realize, okay, maybe him starting there doesn't really matter when you got guys like Delo still playing like 30 minutes a game or whatever. Yeah, their defense sucks right now. The offense is abysmal. It'll probably get better with time as they get used to this style of play, maybe work out some kinks. They suck right now. So I'm done with the championship

expectations of any sort. Yeah. Can Austin Reeves take that next leap and solidify himself as Lucas number two becoming a top five shooting guard in the league? I'm not going to lie. I've been waiting to say this. Us for the last few years have been trying to think, scour, scout the entire league and see where the next Jaylen Brunson is. He's been right in front of your face the entire time. And I think with all the 40-point performances, 40-point triple-double with against Boston Celtics last year

when all those guys, LeBron and Luke were out again, I think he's here. He's proven it. This is not ridiculous. This is not ridiculous. I'm going to say, yes, you're right. Your question will be answered with an emphatic yes. top five shooting guard fuck it we got the big three

we know we got Anthony Anthony Edwards De Mitch Booker after that who's solidified as like you can't put Austin Reeves in that combo

we get into open conversation spots real fast if you tell me he gets one of his last two spots I'm with it yeah

yeah because it goes into him or Jenna Brown or him or Bain and it's like him or Bain yeah yeah I'll put him in Bain conversations

he could do that yeah why not I'm willing to glaze to that degree him and Luca are going to be extravagant it's going to work

really well. If LeBron, I pray it continues to work this well because LeBron can come in. Everyone keeps saying, is LeBron willing to put his ego aside and be the third fiddle? Yes, he's been begging to do it for years, but Anthony Davis was not ready for it. These two guys are ready for it. I think we're going to see 21 point per game. LeBron playing hard on defense, doing the short roll stuff, doing all the other things to fit around those two.

I'm excited. 50 point damn near triple double is crazy. I'm excited. That's a hardened S stat line right there. And it also has to do with the strength of the shooting guard position. it's not a Oh naturally You know

It's just It's an easy bar To the fifth We said Desmond Bain Who's not an all star So Luca awesome Reeves Can be an all star

Yes I think in fact Like he should be He's playing at that level I don't think he'll be An all star But you're asking For three all stars

On your team Well we'll see how much The bra misses Like you know Yeah The fan vote's a fan vote But you know You're right

Yeah he's gonna be a starter Yeah unless he misses Unless he misses So much time You can't be Like I'm not I'm taking Lebron At that equation

So Yeah And maybe it's a third alternate type of thing. I think I could see this happening 100% like unless the LeBron thing happens next year for sure.

Either way, they're gonna pay in the summer he's gonna get it bags and be rich man. I'm cautiously optimistic about this team for when LeBron comes back right now but if we can weather these goddamn injuries. Are we underrating Janus now? Yes. What he's doing is not normal.

I understand his standards but it's insane how normalize it is. 100,000% we are underrating Janus right now. We've fully taken him for granted. This team right now is so mid around him, but they are so perfectly suited to let Yannis eat. They will go exactly as far as Yonis takes them, and through three games, he's taking

him to the goddamn moon. He's putting up stupid numbers. He's focusing on rebounding a defense again really hard. The scoring is outlandish. This guy is one man arming his team into being competitive games with contenders like the Cavs. We are fully underrating Yonis. I did not think that this was going to happen.

I thought that we were going to get like this version of Yonis, but that it wasn't going to mean anything. And the fact that it is meaningful, the fact that they are. going to be a very solid team like all the three teams that we mentioned earlier in the magic the hawks the pistons one of them has to watch out because the bucks are going to be there and might be able to snatch not one but two of their chains and get to be like a top four team everything we said about the bucks supporting casping buns is true yonis is just so good they had just enough spacing and just enough athleticism that he is carrying them regardless yeah that's all of yonnas needed

going back to what you said a little bit of spacing which they got coi anthony they got uh Bird. They also have Kyle Kuzman, who's not even played that many minutes alongside him. He's back up now. Amazing job. And Miles Turner. Yeah. I love to see it's spacing and you guys who could jump really high and run fast.

This is the honest team. Yep. And we'll see how much you can do with this. I still think it's in the same way because they're not going to playoff series of these guys. But he didn't carry them to a fucking amazing season off of his strengths. Yeah. Are the Hornets and Lamello finally going to make the leap to competency and could they make the playoffs? Playoffs is a lot, man.

Two beat for me. They can make the plan. That's super possible, just with the strength of the east. And I do have hoped that they will find competency now. So far, through a few games, Lamello's looked good like at the start of last year before the team fell off a cliff. It looks like they have just enough talent

that we can finally learn how far Lamella can take you. Playing, okay, playing is tough still. Is it? I don't think it's tough. Can they be as good as a Raptors? Probably. Do their defense stinks? Let me tell you something about the Raptors' offense.

tell you a thing or two. Okay, I understand that, but like right now, and like the Hornets have, again, three games, offensive rating, whatever. It's like, it's the best thing in the league. And I don't know if I trust that fully in terms of being like, in terms of being like at the top or being one of like the elite units, which if your defense is going to be trash, you are going to need that to be like truly competent. So I'm a little, I'm holding out a little bit.

And maybe, maybe I've just seen, like, because we've seen Lamello have great starts to, to the season. Do we get to a point where he still has the same, like, what we saw last year, where the volume was still insane, but the efficiency kind of died off a little bit towards, like, towards Christmas, second half of the year. But that's also the team got hurt. Like, it really fell apart. The focus was on Lamello, but the team was really dodged around him. And I understand it, but also, like, we've, you hate Lamello, I get it. No, not even. Not even. But I do think like playoffs, playoffs, I'll say no. Playing, I do think it's a stretch, but I can understand it. But the mellow has been really good.

Does the path of the finals now run through New York? No. The hell? Is Denver's bench good enough to win the championship? Wait, talking about, we just skipped over that. How do you feel about Jonas von Chunis and like the addition of Bruce Brown and Tim Hardaway? Screening is so important. Being big matters in the NBA and it's been proven to do so. When it comes to Bruce Brown and his ability to run really hard and be a small vertical threat. That's a new archetype in the league that we don't talk about. Gray-Pain DP2, bro, important.

He's that there. One thing I thought about, so Yonis sucks at offense and kind of sucks their defense. I didn't think about the fact that obviously Yokish also kind of sucks at defense, but they built a perfect system to take advantage of his size and not making it move a lot with the zone and stuff. They can do that still with Yonis Fondtunis. So I think his defense.

Tomah, you spend more time on Yonis Fondonis than the Knicks? Like, what are we doing? It's a yes or no. How are we going with this? I agree, so it's good enough to go ahead and win a championship. To win a chair, yes, it's possible. I'm not going to pick them as a favorite, but they can be in the conversation for sure. I agree.

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